Andrew Schulz and Akaash Singh, joined by Charlamange Tha God, dissect Marvel's Avengers: Endgame, praising its Sopranos-like closure while criticizing the confusing 45-minute time travel logic and Sam Wilson's shield inheritance. They condemn the "A-Force" scene as pandering that undermined Black Panther's world-building, yet highlight Tony Stark's emotional finale with his father and Paul Rudd's pivotal performance. While noting the unrealistic Spider-Man web-slinging and Hulk's absence, they conclude that despite logical flaws, the film successfully delivered an honorable, emotionally resonant conclusion to the Infinity Saga. [Automatically generated summary]
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Captain America Time Travel00:14:28
What's up everybody welcome to another episode of Western Bros.
I'm Andrew Schultz.
I'm here with Haney and special guest Marvel Comic Super nerd word Charlotte the God is having everybody We're here to just talk about Avengers Endgame.
Okay.
Yeah.
We purposely didn't talk about it on Brilliant Idiots this week.
I really want it to happen here.
Yes.
I really want it to happen here.
I know that you've got some opinions about it.
Haney saw it yesterday.
I saw it in I saw it in Austin last weekend with Alex.
I saw it twice.
I saw it on Thursday night and I saw it on Saturday morning.
Okay.
Thoughts?
I thought it was phenomenal.
I thought it was the most satisfying film experience I can remember having in a long time.
Like I can't remember, you know, the last time I've seen a TV show or a movie that was ending that gave me that kind of closure.
That lived up to expectations.
Yeah, like you think about like the last episode of Sopranos, you're like, horrible.
Horrible.
You know, like a show like Girlfriends that I used to love didn't even give us any final episodes.
Like it just stopped coming on after eight seasons.
So it's just like, it gave me a real sense of closure that I was actually satisfied with.
I was not mad about any of the main plot points that played out in the film.
So that's the trickiest thing, I think, when it comes to talking about it, right?
Because a lot of times, like, I feel like when we analyze stuff, there's a critical analysis, right?
And you got to try hard to critique it.
I mean, the biggest holes in the whole film would be towards the end of the movie, which was the Captain America scenario.
So at the end of the movie, Cap goes back in time.
Back in time to return the Infinity Stones.
And they choose Cap because they feel like he'll do the job.
I mean, he's the one who wanted to do it.
Fair enough.
And this is where the timeline shit, I'm going to be honest, got a little shaky for me because the theater, they let you order stuff, like you order food.
And I put an order in when Scarlett Johansson was explaining how the time worked or something like that.
And then for the next 45 minutes, I was completely fucking lost.
Or Bruce Banner was explaining how the time worked.
And Tony Starks.
See, that's how little I knew.
You know, I thought it was the girl.
That was an ill part of the movie, too, because every single film that we've ever seen throughout our life, our TV show that was about time travel, has these rules to time travel that endgame just completely flushed all the way down to target.
But did they?
And we're going to get to Cap in a second, but like, so did they?
My understanding about 45 minutes later is that everything has happened, has happened.
Yes.
Right?
If you go back to the past and change the past, it does not change the current time that you're living in.
Absolutely.
It matter of fact, spirals off a different reality.
So multiple realities can exist.
So let's just say in the future we do invent time travel.
It wouldn't be able to come back and affect us because anything that did change would be its own reality.
It's an alternate reality.
And you just explained the Captain America thing.
That's exactly what happened.
He went back in time to return the Infinity Stones.
But he decided to live in an alternate dimension.
And Joe Russo actually confirmed that yesterday.
Okay, because I saw a clip he put out.
So he decided to live an alternate dimension.
But how does he get to like that bench that he's by the pond?
This is what I think.
I think that Captain America went back.
He took the stones.
He took the Thorhammer.
He went to go live in his alternate dimension.
So therefore, it's two Captain Americas now.
Right.
Right?
So it's two different Captain Americas.
One Captain America, I guess, was still living the regular Captain America timeline and did everything that they did over the past 10 years in the movies.
But the other one got old with Peggy Carter.
The one that went to the alternate dimension.
Right.
That's the one that was by the palm.
That's the one that was by the palm.
So he changed dimensions into this dimension to get back to them.
That's where shit got tricky for me because technically he would be in his own reality, in his own dimension, in his own world.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah, doesn't that change?
Like, like they're still in that current dimension, and you just said that it can't change the current present of what we're living in now.
Right.
Wouldn't that have changed it?
Yes, before Joe Russo said what he said yesterday, my theory was he went back in time, returned to Infinity Stones.
It was two of them existing, right?
But one of them lived in this.
Current timeline and one of them just got old so he knew where they would be at.
So that might have been.
He might have just been laying low the whole time because he didn't really have to do shit, because there's another Captain America out there doing all the fucking fighting crime, shit or did he change?
Or are we in a different reality that?
So here's what i'm thinking.
You know how, like you could spiral off the realities, right?
So there's one.
I'm doing this visual with my hands for anybody's listening.
So there's one reality that we've watched the entire Marvel universe in right yeah, that last scene might have been Cap's different reality.
That was spun off.
I got what you're saying because you know why it makes sense.
It starts off with him in.
What starts off with him there right, what i'm saying is that's a different Cap.
That was a different reality, right.
So he goes back and then the reality that we're we're watching play at the end of that movie is the Cap reality where he ends up staying.
Yes, did he ends up staying after he goes back?
Yeah, I know this sounds tricky, so I think that's where you separate from what is it the Marvel Comic universe like?
I think the first three phases exist in one timeline.
Yes, we're still in phase three now, or phase three yeah, yeah.
So we're still in that timeline and then maybe now we can start shifting timelines because we know we have the.
Well, it's got to shift to phase four.
And that's what Joe Russo said yesterday.
He said that the whole Captain America scenario is going to lead into other plot points.
Because my thing is, I think that we, the viewing audience, believe everything is all good, like we think that they went back in time, got the stones, came back, got rid of Thanos and everything is good.
But that shit had to affect something.
Right, like it had to, like it had to create some type of alternative.
Jump off, is that Cap?
Fuck shit up.
Is it?
Is it gonna be Cat On?
I don't know.
I don't know if it's just Cap, but I think that this is the perfect way to introduce.
Are they trying to just like cut him out because he's not gonna be really be involved, kind of going forward, well, we'll get a new Captain America, we'll definitely get a new Captain America.
We have blacks in America, which I hated.
Oh yeah, I hated that.
Wait, why don't you like black captain America?
I hated that.
I hated that.
I hate that's.
I have like two minor critiques from the film.
Yeah, that was one of them.
I hated the fact that he passed the shield the, the Sam Rogers okay uh, Sam Wilson and, and the reason I hated that is because they have not developed Falcon enough in the movies.
Yeah, like they've developed Bucky, you've developed winners Soldier, like when it's older, got the, he got some of the super serum, he got the metal arm.
Like Falcon don't got no fucking powers.
Like they haven't even developed his personality, his character, nothing for you to say.
All right yeah, the shield goes to you.
Like yeah, I didn't like that.
That's the one thing I did not like.
Is that how it happened in the in the comics?
In the comics, Sam got the shield first.
If i'm not mistaken, he became the new Captain America at one point but, But Bucky was the cap.
It was Captain America at one point as well.
Yeah, but Bucky's done so much dirt that, like, can you, can he be Captain America?
I think he's good now.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think he's good now.
It's not like he's Thor.
You got to be worthy to carry the shield.
You know what I'm saying?
When he was the fucking woman.
Anybody really could Captain.
It is like America.
Just, hey, give us your hungry.
Give us your floor.
You got one arm?
Fuck it.
He has a shield.
The shield don't give a shit.
But that's the art.
I didn't like that.
I did not like that part at all because they have not developed Falcon enough.
So you're concerned, you didn't like it, not for the reason why the bunch of racist people didn't like it because it was just a black guy being Captain America.
I think it's different in the comic world because if you're a Marvel fan, you know, the black guy becomes Captain America.
So there's another scene that kind of like triggered.
That scene didn't trigger me.
I figured that that's what they were going to do.
I know where you're going.
I know what the next scene is.
Okay, but I have a question about it because maybe I don't know enough about the comics and therefore it doesn't make sense.
The scene where it just so happens is serendipitously all the girls, periods, sync up, and then they end up fighting Thanos together, right?
The social shit.
Okay.
So like, so here's the thing.
At first, I rolled my fucking eyes.
I think I, I mean, like, dude, I think I audibly groaned.
I was like, really, bro.
So now, at first, that's what I thought.
But then I considered maybe there's like an all-chick Avenger team, you know?
Which there is the A-Force.
And is that the A-Force and that was.
Hell no.
And that's the other part.
I did not like that scene at all.
Overhanded, right?
I can tell you.
All right, first of all, it was pandering like a motherfucker.
Super pandering.
It was super pandering.
But the reason I didn't like that.
You should have showed Thanos go, I got this.
The reason I didn't like that scene is the same reason I didn't like Captain America passing the shield to Anthony Mackey.
They have not developed any of those characters.
Captain Marvel has her own movie, but the truth to the matter is, I'm going to tell you why women, I'm not going to tell women why they should be upset, but this is what I noticed.
When everybody had the gauntlet, right?
Yeah.
Fucking Hawkeye.
No powers, just bowing arrows.
Running with the gauntlet.
Run it from aliens by yourself.
Black Panther, run it with the gauntlet by yourself.
Spider-Man, run it with the gauntlet by itself.
Soon as Captain Marvel gets the gauntlet, and she's supposed to be the most powerful character in the MCU, Spider-Man goes, I don't know how you're going to get through all of those people.
Now, all of a sudden, she's like, oh, she got help.
So eight people got to come help Captain Marvel.
Eight people who cannot fucking come near her in terms of power.
Scarlet Witch is dope.
And Scarlet Witch was an Avenger back in the day.
Fucking Mantis from Guardians of the Galaxy.
Yeah, the Cockaroch girl.
Fucking Pepper Potts in an Iron Man suit.
No.
And she was rescuing the comics, but even in the comics, Pepper Potters didn't even have no fucking weapons with their suit.
It was just a suit.
Her name was Rescue.
And she used to put the suit on and just go like save cats out of trees.
Stuff like that.
Silly stuff.
Who else is in that scene?
Nebula?
The only other character I remotely like in that scene is Valkyrie and Scarlet Witch.
And they don't have nothing to do with them being women.
I'm just talking about them as characters.
I'm not intrigued by that.
That doesn't intrigue me, especially when you know the A-Force is She-Hulk.
Right.
Dazzler.
Yes.
Captain Marvel.
I mean, they don't have access to the X-Men characters, but I think Rogue and Gene Storm was part of the A-Force at one point.
Like, you had dope-ass women characters.
How many times have you read these comics, man?
Oh, I mean, I mean, this is an OG.
Marvel's awareness.
Marvel actually exposed himself.
In what way?
They exposed the fact that they have not invested in women characters in the Marvel universe at all.
I'll be honest, I thought it was offensive.
Like, the second they get the Infinity Gauntlet, they started manicuring it in that scene.
Did you notice that?
The fuck.
I've read some articles from women that are mad about that shit.
Really?
Yes.
It was overly corny.
It was overly corny.
One woman said that it was pandering.
One woman brought up the point of how every man had the gauntlet and was running by themselves.
And then Captain Marvel needed help.
We just saw Captain Marvel run through a fucking spaceship.
Yeah.
Like literally ran through a whole goddamn...
Everybody was getting their ass kicked.
When Thanos said rain fire, everybody was about to die.
Even Thanos Man was like, but our troops.
Thanos, like, fuck that.
Scarlett Witch is tearing my ass up.
Rain fire on these motherfuckers.
Captain Marvel ran through a whole goddamn ship.
Now she needs help running through these motherfuckers?
Nah, bro.
Nah, that shit was whack ass pandering.
And it exposed Marvel because Marvel has not developed its female characters enough over the past 10 years.
Because Marvel has dope-ass female characters.
They have characters on the level of Captain Marvel.
Maybe not with power and script, but just dope character.
Scarlett Witch is a dope character.
Valkyrie is a dope character.
But they have Mantis and nah, man, no.
It seems like what Marvel's really good at is developing backstory for both the hero and villain.
I love the Thanos backstory.
I thought it was so fucking cool.
And we really don't know any female character backstory.
None.
They're doing a fucking black widow movie, which is supposed to be a prequel, but she killed her already.
So she's doing the prequel comes out in 2021 or 2020 sometime.
You're not Jesus, bro.
We don't need a...
You know Captain Marvel's backstory, but you waited 10 years to give us one woman character.
She's unlikable, dude.
As like a superhero, I find her very unlikable.
Why is that?
I don't know.
She's like kind of like she's like this like a stereo.
She's like a stereotype of like a like a like a female boss.
You know what I mean?
Like they're like, Kay, can you help us out?
I'm busy.
There's a lot of other problems in the office that I need to attend to.
You know, you guys need to handle your own stuff.
I liked her more in her standalone movie than I did in Endgame.
All right.
I didn't see the standalone.
Yeah, standalone movie was actually good.
And she was just kind of like, I don't want to say unnecessary in Endgame.
She didn't really play a huge role in the future.
Well, that's right at the beginning when she's just like, I'm going to go save all the other planets.
You're not going to see me for a long time.
Like, they let it be known from the beginning in the writing of the movie that, yo, she's gone.
This movie was a little bit more than that.
But she said that at Charlotte.
She was the strong, independent woman.
She said, I'm a strong, independent woman.
I got galaxies to support.
She had to turn Marvel, though.
I thought Captain Marvel ended.
Captain Marvel ended with her like, yeah, I can't stay here.
Like, you know, I got these cosmic powers because that's where Marvel's going.
Phase four is all cosmic.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's smart they should because the characters they've invested in work way better in space.
Yes, Thor.
Thor, yeah.
Dude, I thought like major applause.
I think I even said it to Alex at the end.
Remember when they had Thor link up with Guardians of the Galaxy and there's that great scene?
Like, oh no, you're the captain.
As Guardians of the Galaxy.
As Guardians of the Galaxy.
It's a real comic, by the way.
Is it really?
Yeah, but it's not Thor and those guardians.
It's like other people from Asgard with some other guardian.
But still, like setting that up, like Thor in outer space, hilarious.
Right.
I thought it was great.
Yeah, because he is an alien.
So you put him with the aliens and everything can be funny in that world.
Loved it.
I love the fact that they made Thor.
I love the fact how they showed how everybody was grieving.
Thor Meets Guardians00:05:17
Yeah.
I thought they captured that shit perfectly.
Yeah.
Because you had Thor who got super motherfucking depressed, let himself go, turned to fucking alcohol.
You know, you had a black widow who was crying every three seconds, but trying to keep it together for everybody else.
Yeah.
You know, Tony Stark was like, man, I'm going to have me a family because I've already been dealing with PTSD and anxiety and all kinds of other stuff.
Hawkeye turned into a scumbag.
Hawkeye turned into a scumbag, but that was wow.
Wow.
Whoa.
That was dope.
Yeah, it was like how tragedy affected every person.
It almost like flipped their personalities.
Yes.
You know, like a tragedy brought out like the evil person that was inside of Hawkeye, but it also brought out the good person really that was in Tony.
Like it made him relinquish control.
Yeah, appreciate life.
And yo, there was, you know, what's so dope about this one part with Tony is when they go and approach Tony and they say, hey, we think we can reverse it, right?
Now Tony becomes Thanos, right?
Like he has the power, right?
He has half of the humans or half of the life form on the earth.
He has their future in his hand.
Just like when Thanos had half of the humans or life forms in the universe in his hand, right?
It's one snap away.
If Tony wants to indulge and do the math, he could bring them all back.
And he makes the decision to bring them all back.
But there's a moment there where he goes, I really like what I got.
I'm not trying to risk this.
So it's like, it humanizes Thanos.
You know what else I like about that scene?
It shows the ego and arrogance of a genius.
Because as soon as Tony heard the idea, he started dismissing it.
Yeah, he's like, no, if I hadn't thought of it, you have to.
Exactly.
That's all it was.
He was like, oh, you think you pick up on me?
I'm the genius.
I would have thought of that if that shit was fucking possible.
But then once he let them go and he actually sat around and thought about it, he was like, well, they can't do it without me anyway.
So I'm still getting the credit.
You know what I'm saying?
I thought that was him trying to convince himself that all the grieving that he's been doing, that he's over and he's past.
Like, no, I'm done.
I don't need that life.
I have my family.
This is all I need.
Wouldn't really sign all he needs.
No, yeah, he's your friends.
Yeah, because if there's, but if they, he's a hero, right?
Right.
At the end of the day, Tony Stalker is still a hero.
Yes.
So if there's a possibility that he can save somebody, he owes it to people.
That's what his mind says.
They acted like everybody would be upset if half the people left.
What do you mean?
Bro, Earth was pretty fucked up, bro.
It was fucked up, but like, there's got to be times where like you need parking or like, you know, you're trying to get to the bathroom.
Bro, you got to pick the right half, bro.
You saw how MetLife Stadium looked.
Nobody was there.
Nobody was there.
Well, that's the other thing.
It's like, I'm sure we can get a few athletes.
No, I don't know.
You got to, listen, you say half, right?
Yeah, half.
So what if that half includes, right?
Say we just say the NBA.
What if that half includes the Warriors?
Yeah.
The Rockets, the Bucks, the fucking Celtics.
Spots are opening.
Spots are opening.
He's completely got to come up.
Exactly.
Like, you're going to be upset.
Don't get me wrong.
You're going to be upset for a few months.
And then you're going to think about what you could do.
You could be like, yo, I should be an astronaut.
We're missing half the astronauts.
I got confused.
Yeah, I definitely was like, that's important.
Also, what a trash job to be an astronaut.
I'm in a city field or whatever.
I was like, that's some bullshit.
Like, sports wouldn't end.
Yeah, it's not baby.
There's always like more guys that'll step up.
Bro, all the men in the world went to fight in World War II and we still had sports.
It was just chicks playing softball.
Like things move on.
Half the people in the universe, not the world.
Half the people in the universe disappear.
Just randomly, you're going to be fucked up for it.
I'm going to talk to my landlord.
I'm going to refinance.
It's going to be some differences in how much I pay your mortgage.
Yo, it's on.
Bro, who's the first person you're calling to see if they're still there?
Like, who's the first person outside your family?
Who's the first person you work with where you're like, yo.
Everybody at the IRS.
Right?
Say, hey, we still doing taxes?
Who the fuck is that?
Yo, stop this fight and shit.
He no longer exists.
All right?
Okay.
Stop this shit.
Yo, that's a tricky thing.
It's like organizing afterwards.
I would love to see that.
I'd love to see literally what happens when half goes.
They might do that.
You know, they got six shows coming to Disney.
Okay.
So they have six Marvel TV shows and the TV shows are connected to the actual Marvel universe.
So they have the Loki joint.
The Loki joint, which is going to be dope, which was another Tessa rack, bro.
The fucking Tessa rack.
Is it with Tom Hiddleston still?
Yes.
Like everybody from the movies is playing in the TV shows.
So him taking that Tesserack and disappearing, he created an alternate role.
So the show is based off him going to different moments throughout history and just being mischievous.
So it's just like he can do that all day with the motherfucking Tesserac.
So they can start from that scene in the movie and launch into his TV show.
Hawkeye, same thing.
They're doing a Hawkeye TV show.
Him training his daughter at the beginning.
Can we acknowledge how fucking white that is?
That Loki's just like, I'm going to cause some trouble in the past.
Just a bored fucking white guy.
I know, but like, like being the god of mischief is just the most bored white guy thing to do.
Yeah, that's some privilege.
You're just rich as fuck.
I got nothing to do.
I'm just going to travel time and go mess with Jesus.
I'm going to change one of these commandments.
I'm going to tell convention.
Parallel Timelines Explained00:03:48
It's like endless stories.
Yo, you can't say that.
I'm not going to stick to like comic book.
It's going to be quantum leap.
It's a quantum leap with Loki.
Exactly.
Which they referenced.
They did in Endgame.
They did, they did.
They referenced Quantum Leap.
They referenced every dope ass time travel.
They were a time show movies or TV shows.
Oh, right, Yo, I'm not going to lie, I think we're getting close to time travel.
I think it's already here.
Maybe it's already here.
I think it's already here.
My feeling is once you start to see shit with regularity in movies, it means that the creatives are wrapping their head around these concepts.
If the creatives are wrapping their heads around the concepts, the scientists have been figured something out.
I think it's all, I actually think everything's running parallel and we don't even realize it.
What do you mean?
I think the past, the present, and the future is all running parallel with each other.
Like it's not even about going backwards.
I think they're all running parallel with each other.
Time isn't linear like a lot of people think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think so.
We just experience it like that.
So we think that's how it exists.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And you realize that when you go to LA, you realize that when you go out of the country.
You know what I'm saying?
Like when you're out of your country and it's like different time zones and the earth and sun is operating different and it's dark over here and daytime over here.
Like you realize that.
Like I think it's all just running parallel.
You want to get fucked up.
You want to get really fucked up?
There's this concept called space time.
Okay.
And the further you are, it gets a little tricky, but just bear with me.
Let's say you're in a spaceship and you're just flying or a plane or whatever it is and you're just going around the earth, right?
You're just flying around the earth, right?
You will age slower than if you're on here.
No, a microsecond, but you will age slower.
So increase that by, you know, tenfold speed.
You'll age 10 times slower, right?
Really?
And it's because the closer that we reach, the closer we come to the speed of light.
What's it?
What's it?
Relativity.
Well, yeah, we're talking about the theory of relativity, but also like how space-time functions, right?
So the closer you come to the speed of light, time slows down.
So the theory with space travel is if you go faster than the speed of light, because we all exist as a function of light.
So if you can go faster than the speed of light, you could reverse time, essentially, right?
So the closer you get to the speed of light, time slows down, right?
So essentially, you could go fast enough where me and you, let's say I was in space and I'm going so fucking spat fast around the earth and you're chilling here.
I could come back.
I would have aged a year.
You could have aged 20.
Wow.
We're existing in the same time.
Just like you said, you're 20 years older.
I'm one.
That's that movie Inception.
Remember Inception?
Where he's the same age and she's not?
Yeah.
And it's because he existed.
Remember, they were going around that planet at a way faster speed because of the gravitational pull, right?
Interstellar, not inception, interstellar.
So exactly what you're saying, everything is a function of light, not a function of time, right?
Time is invented.
What is a second?
We just made up what a second is, right?
So what you're saying about there being multiple realities and them all existing at the same time is absolutely true.
Yeah, I mean, like I said, when you're out the country and it's something totally different going on in one place, daytime, three o'clock in the afternoon, but it could be midnight somewhere.
It's already tomorrow somewhere.
But it's all running parallel.
That's what I'm saying, but it's all running parallel, whether we realize it or not.
You could call someone right now and be like, yo, what's tomorrow?
Like.
Right?
Like, right?
That's a fact.
Depending on where they're at.
You call Australia right now and be like, yo, how's it tomorrow?
And they'll be like, it's sunny.
You'd be like, oh, we're not.
Wakanda and Character Flaws00:15:37
Yeah, yeah, no.
The sun came up.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but I enjoyed Endgame, bro.
Bro, a lot.
And like I said, the Hawkeye thing is going to spin off into the Hawkeye TV show.
Scarlet Witch has her own show.
Yeah, I'm not big into that character.
I don't even know what she does.
She's dope.
But I don't know if she's a woman.
Which one is Starlight Witch again?
The Olsen twins from Twitter.
That's the older twin?
No, she's not a twin.
She's Olsen's sister, though.
She's sisters with Olson Twins.
What?
No, no.
I cut down Mary Kata Ashton.
The other one.
Yeah, but she got the powers the way she could control your mind.
You know what I'm saying?
But she's dope.
She's been dope in the comics as well.
That's the biggest problem I have with Marvel.
And that's only after watching Endgame.
You really realize how much they have not developed the dope-ass women characters that exist in the Marvel universe.
And that scene where they was pandering like a motherfucker exposed it totally.
If they go all in on kind of growing those characters, and now you're just like the next five years is women characters being shoved down her throat, does the Marvel stock drop?
No, it got to be the right character.
People are like, I don't want to see their pandering.
I don't want to do all this.
Yeah, if they try to make Mantis a thing.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, Mantis is good with Guardians.
Nebula's good with Guardians.
What's her name?
I can't think of her name.
The other character, the green.
Zoe Zaldana.
Zoe Zaldana.
She's good with the Guardians.
You know what I mean?
But I don't think we need a whole A-Force movie, not with them.
Right.
You know, I would like to see stronger characters if they do an A-Force movie.
Like, you got to do She-Hulk.
You got to figure out a way to introduce She-Hulk.
You got to figure out a way to introduce Dazzler.
You got the rights to Foxback.
So you got to introduce Storm and Rogue and all of these people.
Dazzler's a female character.
Yeah.
What is she?
She's a stripper from Atlanta?
Hold on.
I'll tell you the whole A-Force right now.
Matter of fact, I can show you A-Force.
I actually sent this picture to somebody the other day because I was trying to show them who the A-Force is and why that scene was so whack because you have a strong female team already.
Can we, while you're looking that up, the other scene that I thought was pandering when they're in the like AA meeting and then the guy was talking about the date he went off.
That was actually one of the directors of the movie.
He was?
Yeah, one of the Russo brothers.
Really?
Yes.
All right, let me shut up.
So this is the A-Force.
They got Medusa.
And see, Marvel fucked up the Inhumans.
And Humans came on ABC.
That was a TV show.
And Medusa was the tall chick with all the short hair.
He isn't like big and gross.
Nah.
Oh, thank God.
I thought it was going to be like Shrek.
So it's like Marvel has access to some of those characters.
They just fucked them up.
Like Medusa was on the ABC TV show.
Medusa should have been, I mean, I don't know how you introduce in-humans in this Marvel Phase 3, but that's why I said it was such a waste.
Like it was cool to see all the women on the screen together, but if you're going to really do that, let's do it right.
They should have had the important characters.
Yeah.
Put them through the build, not just call every woman on set and be like, get in this shot.
Yes.
But they'll end up getting it right more so when they introduce the X-Men because X-Men got all the dope female characters.
Right.
Gene Gray.
And they've been developed a little bit more.
Like, what's her face?
The Phoenix or whatever like that.
That's Gene Gray.
Yeah, Gene Gray.
It's like, we actually have an interesting backstory with her.
We have a love story.
We have like violence.
There's unpredictability with her.
This is something I can watch.
The other characters are just hot chicks.
You know what I mean?
And like, I don't think that's enough to like push.
I don't think that's enough to like push the, not say push the envelope, but I don't think that's enough to like support the film or series.
Like, I need to, like, Wolverine, the reason why we love him is because he's, there's an unpredictability.
There's a, there's a, there's an evil side to him that he's constantly fighting back.
He, they hit some anti-hero.
So who's the female anti-hero?
Like, establish these female characters more as you're a hot shit.
Give them the same depth as you gave the male character.
And Thanos.
Just let's, let me find out who you are first.
Like show some sort of vulnerability.
You need to put it on screen for the hell of it.
Exactly.
We need different ones.
We need the Captain, Brie Larson, Captain Marvel.
We need her.
And then we need like the anti-hero one, like you said.
We need one that's not so good.
Maybe you don't want to root forward, but you still root for it.
But we need a badass in these characters.
Yeah.
If they want to move forward with the female characters.
I want a female character who's using her powers to like fuck dudes.
Shut up, man.
Yeah.
Like, I want that shit.
But they need to use their sexuality.
Like, that needs to be a thing.
Like, doesn't it?
Mystique.
Mystique would do that.
She would deadass do that.
She's a villain, though.
She was me tooing dudes, all the whole thing, right?
She would ask.
She built up the villains, too.
Right?
Just like I thought they did a great job with Thanos, bro.
That's what I'm saying.
If you really want to move forward and really expand and get into the women, you need women to do that too.
You need a woman, you need a woman Thanos.
I was watching this little thing with George R. Martin.
He's the guy that wrote Game of Thrones.
And they asked him, he was like, you know, why do you think that fantasy is so white and like white male, pretty much?
And he goes, I'll be honest with you, because, you know, myself and Tolkien, Tolkien is the guy who wrote Lord of the Rings and all those books.
He goes, we're old white guys.
You know, this is the world that we know.
This is the world we grew up in.
And this is the source information for what we're talking about.
We're old white guys.
And he's like, hopefully people are of color are inspired by this and they start to create fantasy in their world and using the characters from their world and you get to see more of it.
But you usually just reference what it is that you know, you know?
And I thought it was a great answer for it because it's easy to just throw a bunch of female characters in one scene and be like, I am woman here, we roar.
But we see right through that shit.
But when you have something that comes across as authentic, like Black Panther came across as very authentic.
I think that's the reason why it resonated.
You know, outside you have Koogler, you have these other people, but it just felt...
It was a world.
It felt real.
It felt believable.
It was the world that they developed.
That scene, they just threw all of the women characters that they have.
That's really, that's all it was that they have.
And even added one with Pepper Pots and the Iron Man suit and said, boom, we hear you, ladies.
You know, we hear y'all.
The future is female.
Like, man, if y'all get the fuck out of here with that silly shit, because it's actually disrespectful to women to me.
I mean, listen, I know a lot of women like that, but if you're a comic book fan, you like, man, come on, man.
Like, you know, those are secondary and third characters, other than Captain Marvel, other than Scarlet Woods, other than Valkyrie.
Everybody else's secondary and third character.
Don't just throw that on the screen and say, here.
Especially when you got all these dope ass other female characters you can develop.
You know what I noticed when Black Panther characters showed up?
I was way more excited for like the sister and like Letitia Wright and what's the soldier's name?
Buckled Head.
No, the female soldier with the both.
Oh, yeah.
I was more excited for them too than I was for Chadwick Bose.
Because he's the most boring part of that movie.
And I really, at that moment, I was like, oh, I'm more invested in them than I am actually like.
I didn't like them in that scene either, though.
Like, I like, I don't know.
But those are characters as characters.
Let's go with them.
Like, the little girl, what's her name?
Shuri.
Shuri.
She becomes Black Panther at one point.
See, this is...
And that'll be amazing.
I'm not going to lie.
And that was my biggest knock on Black Panther is that Black Panther was the most boring part of the movie.
It's like you had all these really amazing characters that surrounded him.
And they built it.
It was like Seinfeld.
You know, it's like Seinfeld is the worst part of Seinfeld.
It's the world of Wakanda.
It is really the world of Wakanda.
That was the start.
Wakanda called the world of Wakanda.
And the world of Wakanda is a kid.
Like Wakanda is a character in the whole story.
Okay, so where does Marvel, where does Marvel go from here?
Obviously, we know the different movies that are coming out, but what do we want to see?
I'm going to be honest with you.
I haven't even thought about it.
And I'm going to tell you why I haven't thought about it.
Because you just went 20 years and 50 hours of movies to get this conclusion you want to break.
I get it.
But didn't that feel good, though?
Like, didn't it feel good that there was no post-credit scene?
They didn't leave nothing untied.
Like, all of us can just breathe for a second, including the characters.
Like, this is a yeah.
Like, before another universal threat comes, because now they're fucking around in space, so it's going to be all types of shit.
It might be Galactus, you know, like some crazy shit like that.
So it's just like, great.
But I mean, they dropped a lot of Easter eggs in this movie, though.
They did?
Yeah.
Like when the girl, when they had the holograms and the holograms were talking to them, Scarlett Wood, Black Widow, and the woman from Black Panther says there was an earthquake under the water.
And Black Widow goes, What are y'all going to do about it?
And she goes, Nothing.
That was a Namor, the Submarina Easter egg.
Namor is a badass.
He's the king of Atlantis, you know, that lives underwater.
And him and Black Panther have a beef, but then eventually Namor becomes a hero.
But Namor is going to be fire.
And it's like, Aquaman made all that money for DC.
If y'all think Aquaman was dope, wait till y'all see Namor.
Because Namor has been cool.
Aquaman just got cool.
Aquaman wasn't cool in high school.
Right.
Aquaman was fucking benched from Entourage.
He got cool later on in life because of the way DC set him up.
Namor been cool since the comics.
So he's somebody people want to see.
So that's going to be interesting.
They got a Howard the Duck cartoon.
Why?
Howard the Duck has been in movies.
He was in both Guardians.
He was an in-game.
What does he do?
What does he do?
Yeah, he's just.
He's a wise cracking duck.
First of all, Howard was Marvel.
I didn't catch him in the movie.
Yeah, Howard was Marvel's first movie.
So they just want to go back and get it right.
It's ego.
But what does he do?
Like, what is his superpower?
None.
He's a wise cracking duck.
Like the little fox that's there now.
Yeah, but the fox at least is like brave and he can shoot guns.
Howard had a gun in endgame.
Oh, he did.
Yeah, I'm trying to find the pictures.
I had the fucking picture saved.
Went over my head.
Yeah, I did not notice this.
He was behind the wasp.
I know I had that fucking MC.
I know I can we okay.
While you look that up.
Oh, here it is.
Oh, it's a tiny little Easter egg.
Oh, yes, He was in game.
So they got the cartoon coming.
But think about it.
Howard can start from there.
Right.
He can like, he's cracking jokes saying, I was at the fucking war.
Like, whatever.
And it'd be like, what?
And then they can flash to that shit and then go into the cartoon.
Like, it was like Marvel got so much dope shit going on, man.
I want to salute Paul fucking Rudd because he's 51 years old.
This guy is 51.
First of all, a white 51, and to look like that is unbelievable.
100%.
He's got the Tesseract.
No, he really might be in the quantum realm.
He really might be dealing with the family.
Be, bro.
For where they just sent him out to space in between filming.
He's 51.
So, so here's the thing with Paul Rudd, right?
The guy comes out with the movie Ant-Man.
Now, you may be a way bigger comic book fan than I am.
I'm literally going, oh my God, they're taking a cash grab because they never played.
I never liked Ant-Man.
I never liked it.
I never liked it.
I saw the movie.
I thought it was hilarious.
He was entertaining.
I thought he was great.
And I'm like, holy shit.
Paul Rudd doesn't flop.
I cannot think of a movie that this guy has flopped in.
There was like the one where he was dating Tina Faye.
Like, there's just movies that didn't like.
It is rare that he flops.
Sure.
And here's the thing.
Usually directors, if you follow them, they won't flop.
But actors can have some bumbles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This guy does not fly.
And then he comes in this movie.
Bro, it's like he stole every fucking scene.
Every scene he was in.
He thought he stole every scene.
Holy shit.
I actually just thought he carried his own, which says a lot.
He stole every scene he's in.
He's a very pivotal part of the endgame.
He is.
Very, very pivotal part of the endgame.
And it's like every little dramatic moment.
Every little dramatic moment, he would kind of cut the legs out in a good way to lighten the mood a little bit.
Like he just, he did.
He was so fucking good.
He also showed us the sense of urgency of what happened after the snap because he came out of that quantum realm and he was the first person just walking around the world and experiencing it in that moment live.
And that freak out.
And if we didn't have that, I don't think it would have done justice to the environment.
He got to experience it in one second.
He didn't see the world fall apart.
It was apart and he opened his eyes.
That was great.
It was so great for him.
And he started giving everybody hope because he saw his daughter.
His daughter was like, oh my God, I thought you was gone.
The Avengers thought he was gone.
He was on the wall.
He went out and explained to them, for you guys, it's been five years.
For me, it's been like one minute or however long.
Five minutes.
Five minutes.
It wasn't long at all.
So he explained that to them.
They're like, oh, shit, so we can still pull him back.
And it's not like, we're not fucking shit.
Yeah.
No, I get it.
He was really important to the story, but I'm talking about just like from an acting perspective.
I thought he killed himself.
I thought he carried him.
But to me, when I watch it, I'm like, Robert Downey Jr. still just washes everyone.
Robert Downey Jr. was subdued in this one.
I know, and he still washes everyone.
Usually, yes, usually his charisma is off the chart, but I thought he was supposed to downplay it this.
Yeah, if I had to rank him, for me, it's Captain America number one.
I thought he bodied it.
I thought Chris Devil bodied it.
He usually sucks.
He still killed this shit.
I never liked Captain America as much in a movie as I did in this one.
He bodied this shit.
It's because they just let, he didn't have to carry anything.
Usually when he has to carry the movie and push the plot forward and like be the hero, it's annoying and you get over him.
But when he just had to come in and be this all-around good guy that is cap, I could ride with it.
Yeah.
Captain America, Ant-Man, those are my top two.
Ant-Man, bro.
It was Robert Downey Jr. and Thor.
I thought Thor amazing, bro.
He wasn't.
Thor was okay this movie.
Usually he got bit.
He got more of the ball.
He was fantastic in Ragnarok.
Yes.
Fantastic in it.
All of his movies.
It's carried straight through.
His method acting was great.
He's so good.
In this one.
For him to play a fucking depressed, fat fuck after being super sexy, the whole fucking Marvel universe.
That shit was dope, bro.
I got to find out who does punch-up for these movies.
Punch-up is like when you already have the script and then they usually hire some of comedic writers to add some of the lines.
Because the little shit that they would do, like, remember when Thor is in his homeland, is in As Guy, he's talking to his mom, and he wants to see if he still has the power for the hammer.
He puts his hand out, and then the mom goes, sometimes it takes a second.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That shit was so dope.
Like, just these little lines to give you a nice little chuckle, move it on.
Or at the end, when he's talking to my favorite.
Peter Quinn.
Peter Quinn, star-lord.
He's like...
No, you're the captain.
You're the captain.
His delivery is incredible.
It's amazing because he's a god.
Imagine being a god amongst men and you trying to make everybody feel comfortable because he could be the captain if he really wanted to be the captain.
He didn't even need the ship.
He could just be outside.
Exactly.
He carried his whole shit.
Oh, I saw something.
Is there anything about Thor and Captain Marvel ever like linking up?
It looked like there was a shit.
I can see like Lil Thorbury, like Chris Hemsworth Brewer Larson.
They were making him flirt a little bit.
Lil Marvel rom-com down the line.
Is that in play?
But I think they're making her lesbo because they the hair haircut?
Yeah.
No, no, she got that in the comics.
Well, that she had the long hair.
No, in the comics she had the shorthand.
So she did.
The shorthand is true to the comic book.
Long hair is not.
Ah, okay.
The Captain Marvel short haircut is true to the comic book.
Okay, that's right.
That's Carol Danvers in the comics.
Okay.
So, all right.
We got to wrap this up.
Carol Danvers Comic Accuracy00:05:40
Before we wrap it up, emotional scenes in it.
Did you guys tear up at all?
I didn't cry at all.
Because I felt like every death, I felt like every death was honorable.
Now, I can tell you the scenes that made me feel exactly this.
And I haven't had this feeling since Rocky, bro.
I'm talking about when Rocky used to be getting fucked up and then you're like, oh, shit.
That scene when Thanos is like, I don't usually take this shit personal.
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm about to tear.
I'm going to enjoy tearing this little fucking stubborn ass planet up.
And Captain America's just like, fuck.
So he loosens his shit up.
Like, I guess this is about to be it because I'm going out.
And then all of a sudden you hear Falcon like, Cap, to the left, to the left.
And all the portals start opening up and fucking Black Panther didn't walk out friends and oh my God.
That shit was goosebumps.
Oh, I got goosebumps right now.
That shit was awesome.
There's one scene.
All right, you know, when all the guys start coming out, they start handing off the gloves.
I wish that they saved Spider-Man a little bit more.
So, for example, like he threw him in with everybody else.
This is what I was hoping, right?
You have all the guys coming through the portals, all that kind of stuff, and everybody's handing off the glove.
And next thing, and then someone drops the glove, whoever it is, and then right before Thanos or one of his lackeys is about to pick it up out of nowhere, you just hear, and it's the web.
You just see web on gloves.
That'd have been good.
And then he snacks it.
That'd be good.
And then he's like, he's like, oh, no, sorry, I was a little late, guys.
Or whatever line he absolutely says.
There's one thing that was a little unrealistic about the Spider-Man shit.
Which one?
There's no buildings, yet he's still web slinging.
Holy shit.
I mean, like, my man's shooting right into the sky, like, to clouds?
Like, what the fuck are you swinging on, bro?
When there's no buildings, he's limited.
He stuck to Thor's hammer.
I remember that.
Because Captain America threw the hammer and he shot out and he flew on it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember him flying.
I got to go back and watch this.
Yeah, I saw him swinging around.
I was like, ooh, we're taking liberties.
I didn't like watching this.
He definitely flew into the scene.
Oh, he flew into the scene.
The first scene he flew in.
He definitely did.
But Spider-Man is more of a city superhero.
He's not very effective in the superhero.
Yeah, but as long as your neighborhood got some altitudes.
You know what I mean?
Like, if you got a problem in the suburbs, don't call Spider-Man.
It's over.
What about the scene?
Like, what was the emotional scene?
Yeah, man.
Oh, yeah.
I love you 3000, man.
When he says it at the end, I love you 3000.
Honorable death.
No, no, no.
There was the one where it was super emotional.
Something about like, oh, when Stark, Tony Stark is talking to his pops.
And remember, he says some shit about like, no dollar is worth more than time or something like that.
Oh, no, that was, yeah, nah, that was a jerk.
That was like, ooh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That felt crazy.
I like Robert Downey Jr.'s acting in that moment because he was acting really frazzled so much so that he forgot the stone.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, you're forgetting your briefcase.
That was a hell of a scene.
But that was another scene that added closure to a storyline.
Like, Tony had never gotten to say goodbye to his pop.
He got the opportunity to do it.
That shit was, listen, man.
They wrapped up everything perfectly.
There's now even Thor with his mother.
It's beautiful.
Like, there was not one storyline that we've seen over the past 10 years that didn't get tied up.
The only problem I have plot-wise is they never explained why the Hulk wouldn't come out in Infinity War.
Yeah, I thought we were going to see him.
They never explained why.
Why do you think?
I really don't know.
Because Joe Russo said it was because he wasn't scared of Thanos.
But the only thing I'm thinking is the Hulk, who's his own personality, got tired of being used, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
You act like you don't like me, but when you're in some fucking trouble and your little friend's in trouble, now you want to fucking call on me.
Fuck you.
And that's why he said in the movie, all the time I've been looking at him like he was a disease, but he was actually the cure.
So instead of like trying to suppress his inner struggle, he embraced it.
That's the only thing I got from it.
I think at the time that they would have put into that, they put into picking out his sweaters.
Because his sweater game was legit.
Fire.
Legit.
Fire.
Yo.
And then the pajama jeans that he had on the stretch.
I did love that scene where he was like the celebrity, like they're in the diner.
It was cool.
I love that shit.
It was cool.
Anyway, man, this has been another episode of Western Bros, man.
Thank y'all so much for coming in, guys.
Charlamagne, thank you for doing this.
Work.
Haney, thank you for doing this.
Alex Media, Dwayne, we appreciate you.
Yeah, man, just what a...
There's that one fucking scene.
I'm forgetting what exactly did he say in the one where we broke down in the movie theater.
Which one?
When he died.
How'd it go?
What did Spider-Man say to him?
Don't go, Mr. Starks.
Don't go, Mr. Starks.
Oh, what the wife said, you can rest now, Tony?
The two lots.
And like before, I knew he was going to die, obviously.
Yeah.
Because just Robert Dunn Jr. wasn't going to be in the movie no more.
But I saw that line on social media a lot.
Oh, you can rest now, Tony.
Oh, I need to see that.
I avoid all spoilers.
He's like, oh, that's going to be something.
So when it happened, I was like, you can rest now, Tony.
Because he had anxiety and depression in PTSD from the first alien invasion.
They explored that totally in Iron Man 3.
That's why it was so dope to have the little kid from Iron Man 3 at his funeral.
Yeah, nobody knew who that kid was.
You know what I'm saying?
Because he was the kid who ended up in his basement.
Remember, he was in some guy's basement in a random, not basement, a garage, in a random neighborhood, and there was like a kid in there.
So that kid ends up at the funeral.
All right, I got to end this game.
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Thanks so much for doing it.
Thank you.
Peace.
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