Coach Finstock celebrates Full Haus's seventh anniversary by addressing his State Department security clearance revocation, alleging retaliation for associating with David Irving and criticizing the SPLC's timing regarding Charlottesville. He details his financial hardships, including selling a Northern Virginia home during COVID-19, before transitioning to extensive homesteading updates in West Virginia featuring blue tomatoes, hugel culture, and cold stratification. Finstock reflects on white nationalism as a meaningful lifestyle, interprets the Beatitudes daily, and warns that escalating Iran-China conflicts could accelerate Western decline, concluding with a request for wedding fund contributions. [Automatically generated summary]
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Long Hiatus and Poison Ivy00:05:50
Hey, dear listener.
Sorry for another long hiatus, but the muses of motivation were just not whispering their sweet nothings, at least when it comes to podcasting.
On the home front, though, they have been singing, partly due to the glorious spring weather.
And also when you're a dad, you've got no other choice sometimes but to keep your ass in gear, unless you're a deadbeat, of course.
Work, kid chauffeuring for sports and now physical therapy.
And yes, a good amount of gardening, too, has kept me preoccupied.
Have also gotten in some sunbathing au natural as I work up a good base for the summertime Mexican metamorphosis.
In the big picture, though, I'll admit to a sense of minor dread and foreboding with Iran War 2.0 about to commence again, I guess, at any moment, possibly even as we go to tape here the evening of May 4th.
Gas prices, of course, are at or near record highs and set to zoom even higher.
A market that seems untethered from reality, getting real bubbly peak vibes, personally.
And of course, the usual retardation from mainstream conservatives who took the evidence of the SPLC's federal indictment and used it to draw the natural conclusion that Charlottesville, therefore, was entirely a left wing orchestrated gay op.
And this, of course, all with the left waiting in the wings to retake federal control, at least at the congressional level, with the midterms about.
Six months away.
On the SPLC front, I'll admit to mixed feelings and would have been much more enthusiastic just a few months ago before we started the latest war for Israel.
It now seems a little opportunistic, maybe a little too little too late, maybe even destined or designed to fail.
And anyway, the worst of the rats fled or were evicted from that ship years ago.
Now, I've never publicly told the story of my saga with the SPLC, and that was on Council's strict orders.
I was dying to tell the story a few years ago, and now it kind of seems like old news, and I don't want to break out my violin.
So maybe I will this week, maybe not.
Regardless, we've got too much in the hopper this week as it is.
So let's get cracking.
And Mr. Producer, hit it.
Every wonderful house, the world's finest show for white fathers, aspiring ones, and the whole family.
And also a happy seventh anniversary to us to boot.
That's right.
It was April 2019 when we first kicked this show off.
So this is episode 225.
And I did the math, it means we've averaged 32 shows per year, which is not too shabby considering some of our out year output.
I am your same host as always, Coach Finstock.
Back with hopefully no more than two hours with everything going on and all the things we have to talk about this week.
Before we meet the birth panel, though, big thanks to Johnny, the White Stag Athletic Club, Claus, and the Friend Father for their kind donations since last show.
We are up at give sendgo.comslash full house if you enjoy what you hear this episode or maybe if you even learn something.
And after all that, let's meet the birth panel.
First up, I don't know much.
But I know he'll be ready to talk sex, glands, and Christ tonight, if nothing else, which might be a good name for a band, maybe a little heretical.
Sam, welcome back.
Hey, it's good to be here.
Yeah, it's great to be back.
I love coming on here and hearing what everyone's got.
So it's really good to be here.
Yeah, the sexology, we didn't bring that up in our little pre show talk, but yeah, we got to work that into some of the things going on.
Gardening, of course, I got a lot to say on that.
And, you know, gardening is like genocide for plants when you have to pull the weeds out and everything.
Absolutely.
I have been doing some species specific genociding myself around here.
And as I belly ached before the show, I have poison ivy on my face now as a result of said genocide.
It was nature's revenge.
And it's like the first day, too.
So if you've ever had.
Poison ivy, it usually starts with a couple little bubbles and a little bit of itch, and it can turn into the nastiest, gnarliest, red, scabby, oozing thing.
So I am on the verge of looking like a sloth or a leprosy patient, but I've been putting hydrocortisone cream on it to hopefully subdue it.
Anyway, yeah.
How's everything else, Sam?
Just kicking along?
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
All right.
We'll get cracking then and move on.
It could be said that there are two kinds of full house listeners.
Those who think that I step on Rollo and interrupt him, and those who think that Rollo impertinently interrupts me.
Maybe we're both guilty.
Welcome back, all the same, Rollo.
I did get a couple of comments after the last show.
Wedding Budget Restraint00:07:16
In which way?
Saying that you were a little bit impertinent and snappy and interrupting of moi, yours truly.
Well, you know what?
I was at the end of my wits' end with you over the years, and I just woke up that day and I said, Not today.
I'm getting my links in.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
I just remember I was like, ooh, Rolo's testier than usual this week, but maybe it was just me and maybe your supporters out there who think that I'm unfair and interrupt you were just sitting on their hands.
You are still engaged and still proceeding toward matrimony, we know, but anything for public consumption on that front?
Any tips or words of wisdom so far?
Well, I think it's all been going well.
And this has been a pretty, what's the word?
When you know that you're right, but I don't want to say like confirming, validating.
Affirming?
Validating.
Validating.
That women are not good with money.
And given the budget that we had for the wedding, which is a very meager budget, and we would like to solicit help if anyone wants to help with either the wedding or the honeymoon, I am taking donations.
But yeah, she is not good at looking at what we have versus what she wants.
Because she wants the whole shebang.
She's willing to go into debt for an over the top thing.
Yeah, she wants it back.
Yeah, well, she wants swans and dragons and a castle and a dress that changes color with her mood.
She wants things with more money than one could spend.
And I'm like, well, you know what?
This costs money, right?
She's like, oh, yeah.
Like, oh, you know, I could put some of it on my credit card.
I'm like, you know, some on your credit card really stacks up because what you want is a lot more than what you should be spending.
So, you know, I don't want to raise too much money to give her all that.
I want to meet in the middle.
But yeah, we are funding a lot of it ourselves.
Sure.
Four seasons food and beverage minimum doesn't get met easily.
I understand that.
No, I'm kidding.
But yeah, I totally get it.
You are not planning an exorbitant wedding and you're a little bit tight.
So I am sincerely happy to pass the hat to your audience, even if it's a little bit, to make their wedding of modest and reasonable dreams come true.
You may be able to hit Rollo up directly.
You can always email me or DM me in the usual spots and point you in the right direction.
Is that fair, buddy?
Yes, it is.
Okay.
Very good.
But yeah.
But, like, you guys aren't at each other's throats.
I mean, because I gave you the counsel.
Yeah.
I mean, wedding planning, that was the only time I ever manifested physical violence.
Not really.
But we, you call the sheriff, there's a domestic.
No, but we got in a heated argument while drinking wine, talking about the details.
And I'm sure that I was wrong in some ways and she was wrong in some ways.
And I got so angry that I just stood up and I spilled my wine glass and I stormed out of what was then an apartment.
And one of the closet doors was open on the way to the front door.
So I just went to like push it aside and my hand went through that.
So it looked like I like deliberately punched a hole in the closet, you know, or like maybe missed somebody.
But it was actually an accident.
I was like, ooh, that like took the edge off and then had to have the apartment come and fix it.
I said that I was moving furniture and the Mexican guy was like, mm hmm, si, senor.
So yeah, if you haven't accidentally put a hole through a cheap apartment closet door yet, you're in.
Good shape.
Well, yeah, she's not unreasonable, which is nice.
But it was just really like the ideas and the budget, even like her looking at the things, like it costs this much and the budget, like she could not math them together.
It was really crazy.
I was like, You want this?
Like, you understand that's a quarter of the budget.
And that other thing that you want is another quarter.
And that thing is half.
And on top of that, you want the catering you're looking at is $6,000.
So, and that's just four things.
There's other things you want.
It's like, uh, what?
Yeah.
Yep.
Okay.
Yep.
Gotta bring it down to earth, but also compromise a little bit.
But yes, go unless you're marrying into the daddy Warbucks family.
Big, elaborate, expensive weddings are definitely self indulgent.
And well, I've been to a couple, but yeah, well, that's what I told her.
I said, either dad cuts a big check, which he can't do, or we got to scale everything down.
And she was very disappointed, but understanding, like, boy, like it was really crazy.
Like the first two things she looked at, I was like, okay, now we're.
A few thousand over our budget, and that's two things.
Gotcha.
Yeah, I think you and she will be a lot happier if, at the end of this, you've done a modest budget and a good job.
You will say, Hey, we did that smart, we didn't like blow money and stuff like that.
I think you'll feel a lot better about it, and it's a lot better start to a marriage when you have already shown restraint and common sense with managing money.
You can do something very, very nice, but very reasonably priced too.
Well, the studies show that if people spend over like around like $15,000 or I think it was $20,000, then like marriages are statistically more likely to fail.
Now, with inflation, that number is probably a little higher now, but it's like there is a number where I think it just sets expectations way too high.
I was not as happy as I was on the day.
It's a bad, bad first step.
Do something modest but lovely and measured, and you'll be much happier about it.
And look back on it much more fondly, too.
The first wedding I ever went to as a sentient young man, old kid, was actually with my dad.
He was doing wedding photography for like a friend of a friend, and he brought me along as his apprentice and helper.
And it was a nice, nice wedding, nice venue, et cetera.
I was like, oh, this is so great.
And a little over the top.
I remember the groom sang, Always and Forever by Heatwave Tour and did a pretty good rendition of it.
Always and Forever.
I actually thought about maybe doing that at my wedding, and that one got 86 really early in the planning sequence.
Patriotic Feelings and Weddings00:02:51
But they were divorced within the year.
I was like, oh, yeah.
I remember my dad telling me that.
So, yeah, keep it simple.
Thank God you're not doing a destination wedding.
And yeah, hit me up.
Sort of a segue into that is Iran and guests.
Prices, which is honestly at the top of my head.
I've got a little bit of war blue balls after this two and now almost three week ceasefire.
But as I've mentioned a couple times, don't follow the Axios headlines or the Pakistani president's tweets.
Focus on the flow of the refueling aircraft and God knows how many cargo planes have been landing in Ben Gurion.
And things heated up just today with oil spiking again.
It looks, and I think the Iranians even were like, you know what, we're not just.
Perennially sitting back.
We're going to give a little bit to the UAE again here and see if Uncle Sam takes the bait, Uncle Shmouli.
But I suspect or expect, you know, I've been wrong on a little bit of the timing, maybe more right than wrong on the war itself, but because I suspected we were going to do that island landing weekend, the weekend when we did our special forces venture to get the uranium that we couched off as a rescue mission for that downed pilot, who we still have not met.
But I suspect hostilities will resume.
Soon, and it will probably be the last round of hostilities because I don't think that Trump is stupid and arrogant enough to still be going to war.
He's got his big trip to China coming up.
We've got the 250th, totally melancholic birthday things you're starting to see.
I saw that when you see the 250 and the American flag on the beard cases.
And then there was a little event around here.
I said, oh man, maybe, maybe I could summon the old latent feelings of patriotism if we didn't have this extremely nasty, dirty business going on just underfoot.
But I just can't.
I can't.
Feign enthusiasm.
Sam, are you going to put on a brave face and dress up as George Washington on July 4th?
No.
Sounds very true.
Certainly not.
Supreme Court Justice John Taney, perhaps.
That's Dred Scott guy.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, the flag has 13 stripes, which represent the African Americans' percentage of the population.
And then the 50 stars are the percent of violent crimes that they commit.
So.
That's not, yeah, with more stars promised, right?
To write to more stars, yeah, yeah.
I've never seen that before, Sam.
You said that just before the show, and I was like, if that's not an old meme, it should be right because it's so on the nose.
Volatile Gas Prices and Stars00:02:38
The 13 do 50, yeah, it's right there, yeah.
It's really more what, like, like three, or like you know, I don't know, seven do, yeah, yeah, anyway.
Um, but.
We are up to today.
It was $4.20 for regular at the cheapest gas station around.
And I know that's not too bad compared to other guys.
Now, I did get $3.65 at Sheets doing the 88 octane ethanol 15, which is good in all engines that were built after 2000.
Obviously, your fuel efficiency is going to go down a little bit with that.
But when the difference, excuse me, I don't want to do jargon, $3.65 a gallon versus $4.80.
I was like, okay, I'm going to get the ethanol heavy stuff to save that thing.
But your best bet for saving, aside from just shopping around, is having one of those cashback cards that gives you more on gas.
I get 3% cashback on all gas stations, no limit with the card that I use.
And also, the gas station offers themselves through the app, the sheets, buy this and get 40 cents off your next tank, 25 gallon, that sort of thing.
Playing that game is that's how I have been handling it.
On top of a little bit of homegrown demand destruction, I have deliberately been driving a little bit less and we've been doing a little bit of local carpooling and pooling of efforts when we have to go out.
But how about you guys?
Has it been painful?
It hasn't really hit yet.
I feel like if it drags on over four for long and if it gets toward five, that is when people will start freaking out.
So far, it's not like I see fewer cars on the road or anything like that.
Well, it's all around five bucks a gallon around these parts already.
Okay.
Yeah.
But it's been volatile.
You know, it's been up and it's been down.
It spikes.
And just like you read the news bits about Brent crude is going for this and then it crashes down to under $90 and then it goes up to $120.
So, as you said, it hasn't hit yet.
Or, you know, it remains to be seen what will be the impact of this.
If there is some kind of sustained.
$5 a gallon price, that definitely there's going to be a lot of angry people.
Atlantic Magazine Accusations00:15:27
Oh, yeah.
That's when the price of everything will start to kick up even higher, although it's probably in the works.
And I, you know, thinking back to our last show, which was roughly a month ago, I was a little bit wrong.
You know, I was second guessing Bitcoin because I thought Bitcoin, you know, we're not back into hostilities yet.
So I think there's been a ton of wishful thinking or strategic taco betting from the big money in the market, just thinking like this can't be as bad as it might.
Get he can't be that stupid, like they'll figure it out, they'll reopen the street.
Um, so you know, Bitcoin was up over 80 today, and my recommendation of oil stocks like look bad for a little bit, but now they are all back in the green.
And that was always sort of like an insurance policy.
If this gets as bad again as it might or as it you know, look like it could, then you want to own them.
Um, but yeah, it there would have to be some drastic strategic 180.
In Washington against Israel, which Tucker and Joe Kent and reportedly JD Vance have been advocating not to do it.
But JD just wants to be relevant again.
I think, yeah, he's just like, this really puts a crimp in my style, right?
This puts me between a rock and a hard place.
Hi, doggy.
Well, it ruins his reelection.
Yeah.
I mean, it ruins his presidential election, I mean.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Let's not overlook this.
I don't know if you want to call it an assassination attempt or this strange event where this guy charged the security there at that correspondence.
There was another one today.
Yeah, yeah.
I just saw that.
I don't even know what it's about, but shots were being fired in the neighborhood.
It was like a vicinity of the White House.
Yeah, in the vicinity.
I didn't hear anything more about that.
If you know something more about it, let's hear it.
I just saw that.
But that's not the ghetto part of DC.
So, I mean, I don't think blacks are going up to Pennsylvania Avenue just to have their turf wars.
Yeah.
Anyway, well, that's a little bit of a segue.
Washington, DC brings back a lot of memories.
And it was probably just over a week ago, maybe less than a week ago, that, you know, big, big headline that the Department of Justice indicts the Southern Poverty Law Center for.
Mail fraud, among other things.
There was a wonderful, it's the longest, best article I've read in years, I think, detailing how stupid or perhaps overconfident they were to, you know, unquestionably commit bank fraud in the furtherance of their efforts to basically just pay informants.
You know, did they really want those guys to go and organize rallies and commit crimes?
They probably didn't care too much.
If they did, it was a twofer.
But I wasn't dancing.
When I saw the news, I thought, you know, again, that would have been more impactful two or three years ago because they are, it feels like they're a dead letter.
Go ahead, Sam.
They already had something a few years ago.
I have to reach back to my memory banks.
Maybe you can help me.
But it was, I don't know, three to four years ago where there was a big scandal where they lost a lot of credibility and they were, they were, Involved in some kind of money laundering or mishandling of money.
I don't remember them.
I think they had offshore accounts and all that stuff.
We always knew that they had a massive war chest from, you know, Morris Dees.
Essentially, it was like a mail order fundraising guru to build it up to what it was.
But he, you know, he essentially got accused of sexually harassing staff.
Yeah.
So far.
Yeah.
Wasn't it his stepdaughter?
That was part of the.
Among others.
Yeah.
There was that.
And then, of course, he already had like a very tarnished image.
But now it seems like it's maybe rubbing off on the ADL as well.
I've heard some news stories or some recitations of all this, and they're mentioning the ADL in there too.
It would be nice to see them get similarly tarred.
That was the refrain from our guys too, right?
Like, okay, that's cool.
Now do the ADL.
Demand more.
Color me cynical or skeptical that that is ever going to happen because it's too on the nose.
And the SPLC has been sort of de Judaized.
Over the past couple of years, too, right?
Like Cohen went out, Mark Potock went out.
They had a night of the long knives with their staff over unionization.
And when was, you know, they shut down like half of their basically docs professionals, fired them or let them go.
So if, yeah, if they were to go after the ADL, that would be lovely.
And of course, there's the possibility that, you know, I really, I said, you know, you could spend your time better staring at the sun than trying to talk sense into.
Mainstream MAGA or conservative peddlers.
Because I just, I like really that they're going with SPLC gets indicted.
There's one informant on the indictment over five years, you know, years before Charlottesville, years after 2015 to 20, whatever.
And there and ergo, Charlottesville was all SPLC.
Obviously, that's offensive as a veteran, but it's just so pants on head retarded that.
I was just like, there's no hope.
It's like, you know, Democrats are the real racist.
It's the same garbage, mindless stuff.
It's so mindless that you figure that they just got their marching orders, which makes me question the intent of the indictment in the first place.
Are they really interested in digging and unearthing the skeletons and revealing all the payments and the informants?
Or are they looking for.
I usually am not that kind of guy to go with the distraction narrative, but it did make me think that this was right after the Atlantic had.
Published their article about Kash Patel being basically an irresponsible drunk, often at the helm of the FBI.
Like they were like, oh, now would be a good time to, yeah, who knows?
You know, when a big public, well, they're not big anymore, but an old publication, New York Times, The Atlantic, right?
When they, you know, like The Wall Street Journal, Trump sued The Wall Street Journal, the lawsuit got thrown out.
Of course, he can.
Appeal that.
But same with the Atlantic.
I'm pretty sure that they knew that that was going to be a red flare in the sky for a lawsuit from Cash or the DOJ or whatever.
And they've got their ducks in a row or at least have their asses covered on that.
But it made me think, okay, hit go on the SPLC indictment because supposedly they were working on this late in Trump 1 and just happened to, I guess, have the gas to go after it now.
So some people I know in the know are enthusiastic about it.
Others are, you know, Rouse me when it means anything other than a headline and some court battles that may go one way or another.
And I'm basically in the same boat.
And I guess I'll give the brief summary of what happened to me because it's the God's honest truth that ever since I got a lawyer following my docs, let me tell you, it is not easy to get a reputable, competent lawyer or law firm on your side when you're accused of, rightfully accused of being a white nationalist, of course.
So, Many, many hours of conversation.
He was just like, nope, no public comment.
Let's just do this through the system and not make it more complicated.
And I, you know, in the back of my head, I said, that's probably not the best way to go about it.
You want to put pressure, do interviews, et cetera.
But I also wasn't particularly interested in bringing more attention and more heat on my head.
But we'll go in a little time warp back to, I guess, 2017, 2018.
I, of course, I mean, we've alluded to it plenty of times.
It's not a secret.
But some people listening to the show might not know.
I worked for the State Department from 2013 through August of 2019.
I was never a glowy person, I didn't secretly work for the CIA, although it's fine.
I've got so many funny side stories.
I'll try not to get derailed.
But one of the funny side stories was I joined as part of the Presidential Management Fellows Program.
And years prior, I had met this guy.
He was like friends of.
Friend of a friend, we hit it off, and he said that he worked for DOD.
Fast forward to 2013, maybe 2014, I got to go on a tour of the CIA as part of the program.
I'm filing through the cafeteria after we've had our various sessions, etc.
I see the guy and I go, Hey, I'll just call him Tom.
What are you doing here?
He just looks at me with like deer in the headlights eyes and he takes me aside.
He goes, Just do me a favor.
You didn't see me here.
Right.
So it was one of those cool.
DC things where, you know, he said, I worked for this.
Anyway, that's a long story short to say, yes, I really worked for the State Department.
I was a foreign affairs officer, mid, very mid level.
The top I ever hit was GS 13.
I was a bureaucratic and foreign policy grunt, frankly.
But that was all fine, you know, radicalization or red pilling was 2014, 2015, 2016.
And the first sign of Doc's, Possibility was not from a single woman or from an activist for the SPLC.
It was actually from one of our guys.
If you guys remember this vile Cretan named Speaky, he was the first one who said he was going to dox me because I wouldn't unfollow somebody on Twitter.
I was like, okay, this is mildly concerning.
I reached out to him.
I said, hey, I hear you're going to dox me because I won't unfollow so and so.
What do you got?
And it was just all bluster and stuff.
But I just remember thinking, God, what a scumbag.
And it's, I Ostensibly one of our own.
Now, he eventually ended up getting got later by one of the usual characters.
So that was like my first brush with it.
The next sign of trouble in paradise was not related to me, but it was related to you may remember some people in the Trump administration after or before Darren Beatty getting doxxed andor kicked out of the government.
And one of them was Ian Smith, a guy who worked for DHS.
Now, Ian Smith was in a different sort of Social circle that included, guess who? Katie McHugh, formerly of Breitbart News.
Yeah.
So a friend of that circle calls me and, you know, it was basically like a Houston, we have a problem.
It certainly appears that Katie is going scorched earth because she claimed that some guy raped her.
Never pressed charges, tried to publish an article on the Spectator that I guess rejected it.
And then she was like, okay, well, I'll show, get my revenge.
And what Katie McHugh did was basically hand her entire Rolodex over to anyone who would listen.
So, my friend calls me and he goes, You know, you know her a little bit.
You could be a target.
And I thought, There's no way she would possibly do that because my wife and I had been nothing but kind to her.
We had let her stay in our house in a private bedroom due to her baldness, alopecia, whatever it was.
We had given her money after she got fired from Breitbart.
We had tried to get, I tried to get her another writing job at a somewhat prestigious public.
Where I hadn't been.
And she was the one who was trying to make ends meet.
Basically, it all goes back to Katie McHugh.
The SPLC was the publisher of my docs, but Katie McHugh handed my scalp and my wife's scalp over on a silver platter to them.
And they just had to follow the dots and be able to prove it.
But Katie McHugh was the one that you will remember the article about me going to a dinner with David Irving, which was awesome.
Katie organized that.
She was the one who invited us and asked us to bring more attendees.
And David Irving sat in a basement, small like room of a hotel in DC, and for about two hours just rapped about his life stories and answered questions and signed books.
And there were about 12 people around the table.
I was like, good God, you know, why are there not more people here?
Anyway, to make a long story short, eventually Katie had, I think, shopped our docs around to three different outlets the SPLC.
To Ken Klippenstein, who was then with the Young Turks, and to Rosie Gray, who was then with the Atlantic.
I don't know if she was getting anxious, like, hey, you're not doxing this guy fast enough.
But the first sign of trouble I had, it was like the day after we got back from the beach, and we had everybody, we had a party the night before, and Johnny Monoxide and his wife had just left to go home.
And I get a work email on my Blackberry from a former co worker who says, hey, Matt, just want to give you a heads up that.
Ken Klippenstein is poking around on LinkedIn asking about you.
I said, oh, that's not good.
But it's probably happening.
So I was sort of at battle stations.
But I thought maybe it was about a previous article where I donated to Paul Nealon and Corey Stewart and State Department guy donates money to white nationalist, neo-Confederate candidates, whatever.
So it's that same day, too.
It was like that morning that I got the email that Klippenstein is poking around on me, the first person that Katie probably was singling out for treatment.
And then I take Jao and his now wife to the airport to Dulles.
And I'm driving home from the airport, and my wife calls me and goes, Michael Edison Hayden just showed up at our front door.
And I'm like, oh, shit, that's not a good sign.
Neighbor Confrontation at Door00:04:12
She goes, you know, I denied everything, but he's sitting in a car in our court right now, even though I told him to leave.
So it's like, okay.
The funny detail about that is, you know, we had a.
Our youngest was really young at the time.
And my wife was home while I was doing the airport shuttle thing.
And he was going around our court knocking at doors.
So she saw him out the window and thought he was a political campaigner, somebody going around asking for donations or to support candidate X or Y.
And then he gets to our door and he's knocking and knocking and ringing the doorbell, ringing the doorbell.
She just wasn't going to answer because who wants to talk to some politico?
And then finally she did.
She was actually wearing a WN tank top.
Or t shirt at the time, which she realized after the fact, but he didn't even catch up.
Basically, like right across her chest, he could have gotten that.
But he's just asking all these questions, Coach Fidstock, and he didn't even know about Full House back then, all this stuff.
And she was just like, get out of here, deny, close the door.
He had been going around to our neighbors and playing clips from the fatherland, Sam, and trying to say, like, hello, Mrs. Jones, I'm with the SPLC.
I can't imagine.
Like, if somebody came to my door, what an absolute loser.
Oh my gosh.
That guy's been discredited, too.
Yeah.
I knew that he had gotten fired from the SBLC.
I knew that his Hindu wife had divorced him, but I did not know.
Thanks to Steve Saylor, I guess Steve Saylor read his recent book and he self committed or got committed to a psychiatric facility, possibly for being suicidal.
If you read between the lines, what was excerpted, I was like, Like, oh man, that's good.
I like, you know, two, three years ago, I would have been like, you know, on cloud nine.
It's sort of water under the bridge now.
Can you think of a more soul sucking job?
I remember years ago, my dad and I were just having some random talk about various careers, unrelated to just like, isn't this interesting?
Like, the job that brought the most happiness or like the people that were the happiest with their job was firemen.
And then the most depressed were therapists.
Followed by dentists.
Oh, wow.
And the therapist made sense because you're listening to people's misery.
Yeah, there's nothing but problems all the time.
And the dentist, just everyone hates the dentist.
So I was like, okay, I can see.
Yeah, I can see how that rubs off.
But like, just like, I can't imagine the amount of money someone would have to pay for me to like go to like someone's neighborhood and go like, hang out, deal with it.
This is your neighbor.
Can you hear what they're saying?
Like, imagine if I'm like, I know your neighbor, the guy with three hairs.
His name is Jack Grapp.
This is what he's saying.
Imagine being that.
Yeah.
Oh, especially horrible life.
I've never espoused violence.
You know, I'm not going to be like, oh, look at me, goody two shoes.
But seriously, like, never arrested.
Like, beautiful home, beautiful family, just trying to do my thing on the fatherland and going around.
But unfortunately, some, I. Probably know which neighbor it was.
It was the lowest IQ neighbor, you know, was like, oh, gosh darn it.
I wish it weren't so, but that sure sounds like it.
Now, it didn't matter.
Like, Katie gave him everything.
Like, he just had to put the pieces together, you know, whatever retroactive construction, parallel construction.
So, yeah, eventually, I think my wife called the cops and was like, there's a guy outside in our court.
And then he left as soon as the cops came home.
So that by that time I got home and it was like, yep, it's probably happening.
But That was not like at the time, it was not a particularly good feeling, of course.
You know, it's definitely easier to not be doxxed than to be doxxed.
But I kind of always, and this is no BS too.
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We had bought the place in West Virginia years prior because that was a long dream of mine to live in this wonderful state.
And I always said, if things go upside down in a shit hits the fan type situation, or if I lose my job or whatever, it sure would be nice to have a backup plan.
So this was a backup plan with docs being maybe a faint possibility in the background.
But we always knew that we had this as a backup.
The other thing that I want to tell the audience too, and I know doxing.
I won't go on too much longer about this, but I was like, ah, if I'm ever going to talk about the story now, I can.
And it's in the news, it would be this show.
And there's tons of other details, of course.
I'm trying to keep this relatively condensed.
Was that I was told, you know, I told myself, look, you're a competent, healthy white man with a lot, like you'll land on your feet, right?
It might be painful, it might be tough, but you'll land on your feet.
And lo and behold, I did not go to a psychiatric hospital.
I am still looking at the reflection of a pond in front of me instead of my neighbor's windows, some of whom, of course, went on to put up hate has no home here signs around an increasingly insane Loudoun County, totally leftist dominated Virginia.
Like there are many, many, you know, all the time I get to spend with my kids.
So I have to gloat a little bit.
It gets a little bit of a pain up too, but like nine things out of 10 in my life are better than they were when I was riding a bus for an hour and a half to get to the State Department and then home, and then the Blackberry usage, and then the international travel to India and Pakistan and places like that.
And we were already like, we were talking at the time, like, man, I should really look for a different job.
Because at first, you know, I was totally Captain America when I started, I was full of optimism.
I thought I was going to work at the NSC.
When Trump got elected, I put in my application to greatagain.gov.
I was like, I got the clearance, I'm ready to go.
I was going to shut down my Twitter and just go for broke and try to actually be a power player.
And Rex Tillerson was an utter incompetent, inexplicable failure focused on the State Department reorganization.
And then they brought in Pompeo, and it was business as usual, just with a neocon tilt instead of liberal international.
That guy is so impressive.
Like, if you ever looked at his Twitter during that time, he never said a single thing about America.
Not like, well, not once.
It was Pompeo lately.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's insane.
Yeah.
No, it was really gross.
And he was using the State Department sort of to build out his own Rolodex for a future presidential campaign or whatever the hell he wanted to do, you know, business.
He was hosting all these like private dinners up in the diplomatic reception rooms, you know, and his wife was very involved and like handpicked the people.
And it was clear that he was preparing it.
And that, you know, one of my joys was, Trump saying, like on the verge of coming into office the second time, or maybe before the election, no, Mike Pompeo will not be part of this administration.
And now Mike Pompeo is like a we govy, deflated, looks like the Jews just sucked the spirit out of me.
One of the rare guys who looks better when he was a fat frog instead of a deflated skeleton.
But yeah, so he went around to the houses.
One guy copped it, it was fine.
And then I went to work the next day, like nothing happened.
Hayden had left a voice message on my phone.
And I was just like, okay.
You left a voice message, just deleted it, and went about my life for it was almost two months.
He visited in June, and then the anniversary of Charlottesville started coming around in August.
And I was thinking to myself, like, yeah, if he's going to drop it, he's probably going to drop it around the Charlottesville anniversary.
And he did, of course.
I was out to lunch on a hot as hell August day when old heads might remember this name, but Jared Wyand, he was like an old school MAGA guy who then got red pilled and was dishing the good dirt on Jews, et cetera.
And he just messaged me, he goes, Coach the articles out and it's all about you.
Cause I thought maybe it would be like I would be an afterthought.
As part of like other activities in the DC area, because I don't know if Cantwell still lived there and Patrick Casey and the remnants of Identity Europa.
But I was like, all right, so I'm reading as I go back to the office.
And then I, you know, of course, text my wife, ah, the article dropped.
And she was like, you should probably come home just in case Antifa shows up.
And I was like, yeah, you're probably right, just to play it safe.
Three young kids under the roof and Antifa has shown up to other houses.
And that was always my biggest concern, obviously, was just physical safety.
Am I going to get a brick through the window?
Are they going to.
You know, come out at the end of my court, but they never did.
And I suspect that part of that was because I was technically, yes, actually a federal employee and they didn't want to mess with that.
So I get back to the office, I'm like looking around, like, I don't know, does everybody know or is this just a niche thing?
And there's like nobody in the office.
It's like, okay, sweet.
So I remember like packing up my stuff in my backpack, like maybe I'll be back tomorrow, maybe not.
I remember I had all this green tea in my office.
I threw that in my backpack and I just went home.
And I think it was later that day, diplomatic security had come to my house while we were out.
We actually had something else to do.
We had to help a local friend and like close up or pool or something.
So we weren't at the house at the time and they left their card.
And I had to meet up with them the next day because they were ostensibly the team that was responsible for federal employee safety.
And they said, we actually have assessed that you and your family might be at risk.
I was like, huh, nice.
Just treat them like the good guys.
I thought it might have been a ruse or whatever.
At some point, they were like, Do you have guns at home?
Are you able to protect yourself?
And I remember we were sitting at the Wegmans in Leesburg.
They don't like to come to your house, they like to meet at third place.
And I was like, Oh, yeah, I have.
Tell you what, I am competent.
Yes, I am able to defend myself.
I was about to tell them all the pieces that I own.
And then later, I got the email that said, You're being put on.
Obviously, this article has come out.
You're being put on.
Paid administrative leave, emphasize, emphasis on the paid.
And I said, okay, that's about what I expected, kind of what I hoped, right?
Unpaid leave immediately would have been the worst case.
And I want to give credit the two people who were the most supportive and kind and generous during that particular period were the McKevitts, the Mashers.
We went up to visit them for a weekend, for a long weekend or whatever it was.
And we just, Had fun, Sam.
You'll remember we recorded a full house like that weekend, and I just didn't say anything because I didn't know what was coming down the pike, right?
Um, and the rule was always just don't say anything.
I actually had uh interview requests come in, a couple press people had already been to our house, which I knew from the ring doorbell, but we weren't home at the time because we were frankly kicking it with the smashers.
Um, you know, so I was on paid administrative leave from August, whatever, when it happened.
All the way until there was one particularly nasty day in late September where I got the formal letter in my inbox stating that we are now moving you to unpaid administrative leave, suspended indefinitely with pay.
This was September 2019.
So for anybody who's saying, oh, coaches are fed, but, you know, blah, blah, blah, screw you.
I was officially not getting paid September 2019.
And then like later that day, it was a double tap that I got an email from the other branch of diplomatic security that was basically saying, you are being.
Called in for a compelled interview.
You can decline it, but then you'll basically be instantly terminated.
You can come in and answer our questions.
You have to do it honestly, though.
You can refuse to answer questions, but if you lie, you could be prosecuted.
So that was like a big question at the time.
Do I just pack up now and go home and say, screw your compelled interview, go ahead and fire me?
Or do I go in and tango with the diplomatic service?
And at that point, a friend.
Of our thing had helped recommend a few lawyers, one of whom accepted.
So I went in and for two hours answered questions to diplomatic security.
Again, I remember it was a hot as hell day.
I had to drive into Arlington.
And on that day, the air conditioning quit in our old CRV.
And I was like, all the time, as if I don't have enough heat.
But it was, maybe I could release the transcript, which is in my possession.
Turn that over as a part of all the legal stuff that happened after the fact, but it like in hindsight, it was just bananas.
They did a good cop, bad cop thing, and they first wanted to, you know, are you Coach Finstock?
Did you have these Twitter handles?
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I was not gonna lie.
Um, and then it got into things like, well, what are the 14 words?
I was like, well, we must secure these, you know, I did that, and this is all being recorded, of course.
I don't know if they have a video of it, I never saw any video of it.
And the one guy is kind of like nodding along, like understanding, almost looks like he feels sorry for me or he's sympathetic.
And the other guy at one point got red in the face because I was talking about racial disparities in promotions, affirmative action, all that stuff.
And he goes, Well, let me tell you, I served in the United States Army, whatever it was, military, and the only color that we cared about was on our uniform.
I was just like, Okay, buddy, good for you.
Boomer.
40 something or 50 something white guys, right?
I thought they were going to come at me with like the Jewish.
Yeah.
They were not sending their best that day.
And as it went along, my nerves totally disappeared.
And I was like, okay, yeah, I can totally, let's talk about this.
Let's talk about great replacement.
It was all that stuff.
It wasn't like, are you at this place on this day?
Did you send this tweet or whatever?
It was like, yes, Coach Finstock is my persona, et cetera, et cetera.
So I'll dig and see if I can find that.
I don't know if that's, Did you receive legal advice before this interview or did you just go into the store later?
My lawyer was there the whole time.
Okay.
All right.
Different lawyer.
I ended up when it became clear that this was all about a security clearance.
Now that was the rub.
What did I, you know, what were my offenses?
I showed up to work.
I was a good worker.
I'll totally admit to growing more jaded over the years.
I was Captain America when I started Roo Ra, even though I knew the score.
I was like, I'm being paid to do a job to advance U.S. foreign policy, whether I like it or not.
The irony is the hardest, most demanding work I ever had to do was the most Zog intensive stuff.
It was anti Russia and anti Iran.
Anti Russia, when I was on the Russia desk for four months on sanctions post Crimea crisis, and then throughout my entire time there on Iran sanctions.
And at multiple points in different offices, I was not reluctant to share my opinion that I think that our Russia policy is disastrous, that actually the world would be a better place if Iran could just export its oil without us going around hectoring all these other countries.
This is all public information, of course, that we had a massive sanctions regime on Iranian oil exports.
And You know, to various degrees, you get the pat on the head.
Like, that's cute that you think that your opinion matters or that that recommendation is remotely in the realm of the possible under this administration or any other administration.
So, after that happens enough times, you're sort of like, okay, I go to job, become Ron Swanson in the office to a certain extent.
So, I did the whole diplomatic security interview and didn't hear anything.
That was 2019.
And then 2020 comes along.
And I remember it was July 2020.
The Smashers were here.
Smasher and I were like working on the house.
It's a beautiful day.
Just happened to take a break and look at my phone.
And that was when I got, you know, because basically I disputed their revocation of the clearance.
What had I done?
I had a pseudonymous Twitter account.
I went to Charlottesville, as I admitted on the Fatherland that they used to see.
I was like, yes, I attended a rally.
I've got it all on video.
I've never showed that, of course, to anybody that's under lock and key in a safe deposit box somewhere.
But, um, There was that, that, yeah.
And I associated with like minded people.
Like, yes, my friends tend to reflect my worldview.
How about you?
You just talk about sports and baseball and grilling and the weather and your kids.
But the one thing they had to hang, the State Department essentially had to hang their entire hat on one question or two questions that were asked of me in my pre docs clearance renewal.
I got my first in 2013 and I was up for renewal in 2018.
And the gist of it was have you ever.
Engaged in any conduct that could be used fairly or unfairly to criticize you.
And I'm even sure that I was asked that question because the contractor who was doing the interview in my office had a voice condition that made it this sounds like BS, like I'm making excuses, but it's 100% true.
She had a voice condition where she could barely speak.
And I had to keep asking her to repeat herself.
And she even admitted, like, yeah, I'm not long for this job because I can't talk.
And at one point, she just was like, Gave me a piece of paper to sign.
So I don't even remember if I answered it, but if I did, I would have said, No, I exercise my First Amendment rights.
I don't associate with drug, druggies, rapists, criminals, all that stuff.
But their entire argument this entire time was just that, Nope, you lied there, therefore no clearance.
And every single person on earth, if they answered fully, candidly, honestly, would say, Yes, of course, there was that time I passed out, or I said this mean thing, or I cracked a racist joke, right?
That could be used against you fairly or unfairly.
So, 2020, they said, Yep, we're suspending you indefinitely without pay.
And then, but you have a right to appeal.
And that was when I got a national security lawyer specialty.
The whole thing, he went to bat for me, FOIAs, et cetera.
And then we heard nothing from them for about two years, just total radio silence.
And I was like, Well, don't rock the boat, right?
No news is good news.
Just let it go.
And at a certain point, that was when I said, Have you heard anything?
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Like, what's going on here?
And He said, No, I think it's time to sue.
So that was when I said, Okay, big, big boy hours, you know, because it could be messy, that could be expensive or whatever.
But he was very reasonable on the terms.
I never did a fundraiser.
I did it all myself.
Remember, we had to, at a certain point, sell our house because I lost my fairly well compensated sinecure that enabled the nice house in the Northern Virginia excerpts, which was that was the most painful thing of all.
Even though we were growing sick of Northern Virginia, even though I was fairly disgusted working in Zog's second foreign affairs ministry to have to move, we could have pulled.
From retirement or bang, you know, passed our hat around.
But we're like, nah, let's do it.
Cause COVID had just kicked off.
We thought this might be the big one.
Let's sell our house now before everything goes to hell.
Now, fast forward, of course, five, six years, that house is worth a ton more than what we sold it for.
But that's okay.
Good for the people who bought it off us.
And fast forward to today, I'll wrap it here.
I'm looking at the time and I don't want to say too much or go on too long.
But I did have a few conversations with a guy.
I was like, this is old news.
Why do it?
And he's like, no, just do it.
People want to know.
Yeah, I think it's good.
Sued didn't work out with Dabney Friedrich, a Trump appointed judge for the U.S. District in D.C.
And we were debating, appealing.
But what happens all these years later, 2025, is the State Department is under a reorganization with new ownership.
Mark Rubio, I'm not sure if it was Doge or whatever, but what bureau is on the chopping block?
And in fact, gets completely eliminated and somewhat absorbed into another bureau, my old energy bureau, gone.
I would have been laid off anyway.
So I get a notice in July of last year Dear Mr. Gebert, you are being, you know, rift reduction in force as if I was still like going there every day.
And I'm like, huh, that's interesting.
I wonder if that'll happen before they get off their asses to go to fire me for not having a clearance.
And lo and behold, September came around and I not only got rift reduction in force, but I also got a modest seven.
To instead of just getting shit canned after all those years.
So, by my refusing to just bend over and say, No, I quit, I did eventually get blood from the stone.
Somewhat bittersweet, knowing that the other thing is too, it would have been sweet to be working from home during COVID for all those years and raking that stuff in.
But this was essentially a fork, this forced us to crap or get off the pot, right?
And we decided to get off the pot, sell the house, move to a really wonderful place, and sort of start life 2.0.
So, in some Bizarre fashion, I am actually somewhat grateful to the vile, nasty betrayer Katie McHugh, who started this whole process because she was spurned by a man,
and the fired, divorced, weird book authoring psychiatric ward attending Michael Edison Hayden, who did the dirty work to expose my evil doings of Twitter commentary going to Charlottesville.
I don't want to downplay myself too much there, but.
That's the long and the short of it right there.
Obviously, there's tons more stories.
I've got great stories from the State Department, from making the transition to the Vanity Fair article guy showing up at our door.
One other interesting thing is that I didn't know Katie McHugh from a hole in the wall.
Probably a poor choice of words there.
Maybe not.
Guess, yeah.
We were having a party for St. Patrick's Day in 2017, 2018, or whatever.
And I was going to Union Station anyway to pick up Mike Enoch.
Mike Panovich.
So, who, yeah, thanks, Roland.
But who do you think it was who suggested that Katie McHugh attend our party that night?
But it was Mike.
Now, that is, I know it's a bad coincidence.
I do not think that Mike was playing a lot.
Yeah, I know.
I'm sure Rollo does, right?
Like, I don't think Mike was like, let me invite Katie into Coach's house and then she's going to turn in two years after being fake raped and then die, you know, whatever.
It's just like a bad coincidence.
And I think Mike and I joked about it years ago when it happened.
But that, yeah, I, it, Somebody else would have gotten me.
The other funny thing is, like, there were all these, like, single women who flipped.
Samantha, the girl from Identity Europa, she was like an organizer coordinator.
She came to our house for Thanksgiving once.
When she, you know, I don't know if she was dating Eli, sort of.
So, and she flipped and did interviews.
So she could have sold our scalps if Katie didn't.
And then there was another woman who I'm not 100% sure if she flipped or not.
There was, she probably did, but she was dating and had a child with someone prominent.
And she was at our house for Thanksgiving.
We really.
We weren't the house for like wayward toys.
We were just trying to like live our lives and be kind to people because they're all these like single or lonely people who were like, you know, didn't have friends or their family were away.
So we're like, come to our house for Thanksgiving.
We'll have a lovely Thanksgiving.
And we did.
And the same thing with Katie, right?
We were like super kind to her when she was here.
We tried to help her after she was fired.
And then she only went on to sell our scalps, which is a really painful lesson from white nationalism, right?
That you have to be prepared for the worst betrayals and backstabbings.
And, you know, if you want to say that it's statistically more likely to come from a single female or a female, I'm not going to argue with you.
I've got, you know, the evidence to prove it, at least in my case, but I'm still not a woman hater or say that there's no place for women, right?
You just have to be careful.
But it's a totally different ballgame now.
Go ahead.
You have to think about what kind of person would you like to be the type of person that you need to be to completely protect yourself from this type of thing.
And I would just say, Dealing with people and being somebody who's taking a stand and doing something brave, that just opens you to this type of thing.
And that's what you sign up for when you are in this thing.
It's part of the lifestyle of being a white nationalist, is that trouble is going to come to you in some way, one way or another.
But because you're doing what's right, it often ends up being in your favor.
You know what I mean?
Like, I think we've known people who have.
Gone to prison, you know, and they say, you know, going to prison was really great because they got themselves together in this way or that way.
In the last, I don't know, so many months, James Alchurch, you know, Sven Longshanks, he talked about his time in prison how he, it was, you know, he got his life together, he got his health under control, and he got back to doing some of the things in his talents that he had, and how it just made him better.
And he met a lot of people, and he was a better man when he came out, even though you would say, yeah, you don't want to go to prison, of course.
You know, and the same thing with this, you know, it all kind of worked out.
You know, you're leading a great life, and you know, you have white children, and this asshole, Michael Edison Hayden, has these bastard Hindu children.
So, you know, I don't have to see them anymore.
Yeah.
I don't know if he cares.
I remember back in the day when his name first started coming around, and I went on, I think it was Facebook or something, he had like the American flag mated with the Indian flag, you know.
It's just so cringy, ridiculous.
Yeah, I totally left out Amos Hochstein, too, of course, who was the Israel born IDF veteran, total Jew who still owns property like in Israel and used to stop into Israel on his U.S. official business on the way home or on the way over to like visit family or check up on the.
You know, he was the one who, after I was outed, he tweeted that, you know, we need to preempt such threats before they become the next mass murderer, like referring.
To my wife and I, as if we were mass murderers.
It tickled me to no end to think of that beady, black eyed, total Israeli agent who was in charge of setting our energy policy toward Israel and the Near East.
You know, realizing that he had the budding Nazi right under his nose the entire time.
It's really wild.
And, you know, the other thing, Sam, that crossed my mind during COVID too, was like, good god, would I have been able to stay sane if I were still working at the State Department under Biden AND Blinken AND Covid?
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Would I have gotten the jet?
Would I, would I have gotten the jab?
Or would I have just said no and gotten fired for not taking the jab?
Like there's so many what ifs or whatever.
Yeah, and and then I remember it was like the weekend after the story broke, one of my buddies came over at the time and he goes, well coach, my mom heard your name on like WTOP radio.
I was like oh, that's a big deal.
And then somebody sends me out.
There's an article about me in the Daily MAIL.
I was like, holy cow.
And if you remember, Towns was like, you're famous.
You're a hero, coach.
I was like, okay.
And I knew in that moment that if I wanted to be a hero and a huge advocate, which at the time I was absolutely living and breathing white nationalism, and it was sort of the death throes of the alt right had sort of come and gone.
But I remember thinking this would be the time to do interviews.
I was in the best shape of my life.
Because I was running on my lunch break up and down those steps at the Washington Monument.
I used to go out with my shirt off and my piece attached to my hip, mowing the lawn.
Somebody would take a picture.
It could be a good one.
This other, one other funny story like the day it happened, I'm looking out my front window and this like car is at the end of our driveway.
And I'm like, that's weird.
And who gets out but like a creepy old lady and she goes to pick up my cat on the driveway.
And I thought, son of a bitch, that bitch is getting, she's trying to kill my cat.
And she like got, went in her car and got something and put it in the driveway.
So I thought she was going to.
Poison her.
So I had my piece on my hip and I go out to confront her.
I was like, What are you doing?
Get off my property.
And she was like, Your cat looked like it was hungry.
And I said, I swear to God.
I said, Get the fuck out of here, bitch.
And then she sees that I have my piece on my hip and she recoils in fright.
Now, was she a white liberal or a Jew?
I don't know.
She had a Bernie sticker on her Subaru.
But she freaked out when she saw the gun, whether that was feigned and she was just trying to get me out of the house, whether it was all a setup or whatever.
But she took out and she took her camera out and her phone and took a picture of me as I'm cradling my cat, you know, in my toned tan arms with my U.S. Lucky cap on.
And I'm like, please, God, publish that photo.
It's like me in front of the house defending our cat, who is still alive to this day.
She's a bitch, but yeah.
But unfortunately, God knows she's probably dead.
And I don't think that picture will ever be published.
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But there's, yeah, all sorts of good stuff.
I've given away too much.
At the time, I actually started planning out the chapters of a book and all these little vignettes and stuff.
But at this point, I don't, you know, if you're still listening to Full House, I assume that this was interesting to you.
I'm sure the enemy will listen to this and try to glean whatever they can, whatever.
That's the truth.
And net, net, it was painful, but I'm grateful that it happened because I am 100 times freer than I was before.
And I'm damn glad to be in, by God, West Virginia instead of MS 13 infested, extremely expensive, traffic choked, dangerous, leftist Northern Virginia and sucking on gas fumes, bus fumes to get into DC and back.
Every day in a leftist bureaucracy.
And that's the God's honest truth.
So I'll shut up there.
We'll take a break.
I'm going to reserve the right to break music this week, Sam, but I'll let you have the close.
And we'll come back and we'll talk more normal things like gardening, whether choking during sex is ever a good idea.
And maybe even, Sam, if you have the Sermon on the Mount, I don't know if it's too long for us to fisk it, but if you, toward the end of the show, for the, you know, you could read it.
And then, and The things that stick in my craw, I think that's the best.
Rather than me reading it, going, do it and that, you know.
Anyway, no, I, you know, honestly, I got into it.
I started making notes.
I read through it.
You know, that's it's it's there's two parts there's the Matthew, it's almost three whole chapters, but then the Luke, yeah, is about uh 25 verses or so.
And um, so I was reading it and and I'm making notes, but I almost thought like it'd be better just to hear, like, what do you have some kind of objection to it.
I don't even know what your opinion on it is.
You seem like maybe there's something about it you have an objection.
So maybe we could just kind of follow some of your objections.
I could give my reasons why I think it's a good, great, and essential part of Christian belief.
But we don't have to read it once again.
It's like too much just to read it, I think.
Yeah, we could just talk about it.
I'd have to go back and because I read it clearly and was like, ah, that sticks in my crawl.
That does, that does.
But I didn't write it down.
You know, I just mentioned it offhand and then it became this never coming to fruition promise.
So, who knows if they're even like eagerly awaiting it or not.
Um, but uh, so well, yeah, we'll we'll we'll see where it goes.
Yeah, all right, very good.
Quitting the Job Shove00:02:56
We'll be right back, fam.
Thanks for listening to most story.
Take this job and shove it.
I ain't working.
I was working for This factory pretty close to 15 years.
I seen some of my best friends, women, standing in a pool of tears.
I seen a lot of kinfolks dying, had a lot of pills to pay.
Lord, I'd give the shirt right off in my back if I had the guts to say, Take this job and shove it.
I ain't a working here no more.
My woman done left and took all of the reasons I was working for.
He's a regular SOB and a nine boss, he's a fool.
He got himself a brand new flat top haircut, Lord he really thinks that's cool.
One of these days I'm gonna blow my top and there's gonna be hell to pay.
I can't wait to see their faces when I get the nerve to say, take this job.
Shove it, I ain't a working here no more.
A woman that's working for
Anniversary Edition Spills Beans00:04:53
And welcome back to Full House.
225, 7th Anniversary Edition, Coach Spills the Beans Edition.
And I realized as soon as I said, you know, talk to you in a bit, that we lost David Allen Co., which I'll admit I was not, I don't have a whole discography of David Allen Co. in my music library, but I got to go with take this job and shove it in honor of the musician and kind of fits the thing.
And I know like he wrote it and maybe Johnny Paycheck performed it.
I'll check out the different performances.
And another thing I failed to mention from the first half, I'm always a little bit reluctant to discuss my wife on the show because sometimes you can overshare, sometimes you can undershare.
So it's like, yeah, better to just play it safe.
But I did want to add, and she wasn't listening to me.
I'm doing this of my own volition, that she was a total lion heart throughout that whole process.
You know, shield maiden, rock, whatever you want to call it.
You know, it was probably easier on me than it was on her because I was the quote unquote hero and got all the accolades and the kudos and the support.
From friends, she suffered as did I, but without quite the accolades and stuff.
So that was very tough.
And we still love each other the same as we did before.
Everything is awesome.
So thank you, dear wifey.
I don't even know if she'll listen to this, but just felt compelled, duty bound to say that.
And that's 100%.
True.
Yeah, we had some arguments for sure.
No, no, yeah.
Like, okay, yeah, zip it or just go for a walk.
But it's all good.
So, Johnny Paycheck, or excuse me, David Allen Coe.
And a white boy, nothing but a white boy trying to do his thing, you know?
Merle Haggard, I'm familiar with his version of that one.
I'm just a white boy trying to, I don't, maybe, you never can tell.
Like one of the David Allen Coe songs sounds exactly like Waylon Jennings.
And I was like, oh, it says it's David Allen Coe, but man, that sounded like Waylon Jennings anyway.
He used to love her a lot.
That one.
That's a great song, too.
New white life.
We haven't done this in a while.
And I want to give a huge, hearty, sincere, overwhelmed congratulations to Lance, excuse me, Lance Farmstrong and his beautiful wife on welcoming their second child.
That is no small accomplishment for them, not because of any, you know, challenges or any stuff like that, but just, you know, they have, it's, Making a family has not been easy for them.
They stayed at it.
And I said, Congratulations, buddy.
I'm so, I had to bust the chops.
I said, That's wonderful, beautiful baby, but who's the father?
We're on those kind of terms.
I figured I wouldn't be ruining his afterglow of welcoming new white life.
And he said, We're just getting started.
So hot damn.
Way to go, buddy.
You better be smiling there or else I'll crack more paternity questioning jokes.
Very good.
Lovely.
Yep.
Yep.
The Armstrong family, the Armstrongs, the Wholesome family, the Wholesome family known to us, just welcomed their another child.
A daughter was born a couple weeks ago.
Everyone's doing great and they're very happy.
So I pass that along.
And in the same breath, I'd like to congratulate our brother Nate on getting married.
Yeah.
Was this a congratulation show?
He just had a birthday.
Kudos the other day.
Now he's getting married.
Good for him.
Yeah, yeah, he's doing great.
So, congratulations to him.
Awesome.
All right.
Congratulations, Nate, Lance Farmstrong, and Mrs. Holse.
I assume there's a Mr. Holse too, Sam.
She's doing her own family, is how they call themselves.
Very good.
Sam has been on my ass to let him talk a little bit about gardening, but, but, but, but, you know, I had a bee in my bonnet when we did the last big gardening show and the numbers went down, and I feel like a lot of people tuned out.
So I'm just going to push that back by one segment.
To give the more titillating stuff here at the top of the second, which is Sam wanted to talk about.
This is probably where, if you have younger kids in the audience or listening, if you got this playing on in the car, we're not going to be crude or explicit, but it's a little dicey.
So, yeah, I'm familiar.
Unhealthy Masculine Tendencies00:14:49
There's always, you know, in these stories, there's always like a grain of truth.
Yeah, it sounds at first a little bit wild.
This article, but I wouldn't bring it up if I didn't think there was some kind of more important point to be made about it.
And sure, I just happened to come across this article the other day.
There's no safe way to do it, the rapid rise in horrifying risks of choking during sex.
And so the article goes on to say that there's and that it's not referencing like eating chicken wings in bed.
No, yeah, maybe I'll just read a couple sentences of it just to give a sense of it.
But now, now thought.
To be the second most common cause of stroke in women under 40, it can lead to difficulty swallowing, incontinence, seizures, memory problems, depression, anxiety, and miscarriage.
How has this extreme practice been normalized?
In a paper published in May, 32 young women were recruited from a large Midwestern university in the U.S. and separated into two groups those who had been strangled at least four times during sex in the last 30 days, and those with no history of strangulation.
And there, yeah, blood was taken from all recruits, the samples.
From the women who had been strangled, showed elevated levels of the S100B, a marker of brain damage, so on and so forth.
And I mean, on one hand, you want to laugh, but the thing is, you know, my wife has talked to women who have copped to this, who say that they do it or have done it or are doing it, or at least that they like it.
Yeah, that it's so bad.
I remember hearing that from a female, not my own female friend group, but like over listening.
You know, years ago, yeah, it's so hot.
Oh, yeah, and this is the not and and so not only has it been backed up by you know real life confirmation this article, but I remember some some time ago there was uh I was watching an interview with this woman, she called it like consensual non consensual sex.
So she gets together with some guy and it's agreed, like, okay, once I say go, I want you to be real aggressive, even if you scare me, keep going, you know, like you like she basically the caption was she.
Like to be raped, you know.
I mean, that's putting it in strong words, but but this idea of being overly dominant, yeah, yeah, like it's consensual, non consensual.
So, like, what is up with that, you know?
And you know, you if you use your imagination, there could be some kind of primordial thing of maybe that's how you know, in certain times in history, maybe men they just take the women, you know.
I don't know, that seems kind of out there, but there is, and and because we live in such a sick society.
I think maybe there's some sort of tendency that's getting expressed in an unhealthy way.
Whereas, maybe if, again, using our imagination a little bit, there's something about a good woman, a woman with morals.
She likes the idea that the man swoops her off her feet, that the man, in a benevolent way, dominates her, even.
And the idea that she's taken, that the man, Leads the lovemaking and things like that.
So, those are all kind of good things in a way.
And our twisted society of the current year that these women are grasping for something and they don't have the other parts of the equation that would put it into a better perspective.
So, there is something there.
And that's why I brought it up.
Like, it's funny we could laugh at it, but, you know, and I've never done and I don't ever want to do something like that.
But I will admit this that like a good stiff slap on the ass, you know, like maybe not where it leaves a bruise, but where like a little sting there, that definitely amps it up if you've ever been in such a situation or raking the nails across the back or something like that.
Maybe not to do like actual harm or injury, but it definitely kicks the heat up in the moment of passion to do something like that.
I guess I have some degree of corroboration with this.
What's the you?
You know what?
You take it.
And then I'll go.
I was just going to say, with the rise in women being abused and beaten, maybe that explains why they're wanting to date black men.
Yeah.
There is some part of that that they want to be mistreated.
That turns them on to be hurt or slapped or whatever.
Yeah.
There's something there.
I will, you know, at first I wanted to say, oh, this, yeah, this is part of the pornification of our brains and our sexual culture.
Although I'm not sure if there's a lot of choking porn.
I'm sure it exists, right?
Oh, of course there is.
Come on, dude.
But is there really popular?
I don't know.
It seems, maybe, fair enough.
But I was, you know, there probably is.
It's like, it's like Fifty Shades of Gray, like that type.
Sure.
Let's stop porn.
More the reading of it.
I only read it four or five times, but I don't remember that.
Just kidding.
I never.
Yeah, I didn't see the movie either.
But what really, I mean, I was first introduced to this concept as a young lad reading Michael Crichton's Rising Sun.
That was the flip of that book an Asian businessman with like a white hooker who like either he liked to choke or she liked to get choked, and then she died during choking sex.
So that goes back to the early 90s.
Other thought is that there's no doubt that I think it's twofold that women.
Most women, majority women, whatever, do deep down, consciously or subconsciously, want to be dominated by a strong, powerful man who takes it.
And I think that's biologically and evolutionarily probably makes sense, right?
Because that means he was a big, strong guy who was a chieftain or a honcho or something and took what he wanted.
And to be, yeah, to be dominated by a strong man is in some way naturally hot.
And it's also probably a reflection of the feminification.
Whatever, feminization of our men.
Like, nobody wants a flaccid, you know, weak, subservient man deep down, right?
You know, like they might like him when he's doing their laundry.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, he knows all about women, apparently.
So, you know, take it from him.
But so I think that he's watched plenty of men have sex with the women he likes.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
And like, and like, I couldn't imagine actually, like, that just viscerally creeps me out.
Right.
Like, no thanks.
But like, I guess like a good firm hand up on the shoulder.
This is not the pin commenting on my, yeah.
Pinning them down, I think, is kind of pinning a woman down, kind of is exciting, you know?
Yeah, if you're getting to the point where the face is going a little bit blue or the tongue is doing a job of the hut.
Yeah, that's when the eyes are.
I mean, my experience is not with many women, but it's more a deep than broad experience, so to speak.
And I guess I would confirm that they do like it.
Vigorous or rough.
Maybe rough is almost going too far, but hard and not being real super gentle.
There's got to be a moment where it does get very intense.
And so maybe that's what some women are craving that kind of to be desired that strongly and taken savage with.
Yeah.
Well, they want everything, Sam.
They want two hours of foreplay.
They want nice, gentle Sunday morning.
Church sex, and then they want, you know, like Friday night, you know, let it rip.
They want this cannibal corpse at the same time.
But I actually think a lot of this is going towards like the rise of all these, like the pornographic novels that the women are reading.
Yeah.
Because we've seen, we've seen like what's the number one, like this is the state female authors, and this is what women are reading.
And I had a roommate, and he, like, all he did, he had a job where he probably worked an hour a day, and then he was paid.
So it was a full day.
And then all he did is he would watch porn until the nighttime, and then he would try to find a woman to just have sex with, like, different random woman.
And then he eventually, like, he, I, last I heard from him, he was in a some with two guys.
So I, and I genuinely think that that happens to, To men, like that's what porn does to you is like it rewires your brain, kind of like, oh, how come the pizza man is getting laid immediately by all these hot girls and I have to go through all this stuff?
But you know, if I go to a gay club, everyone's grabbing my butt and telling me I'm cute, why not do that?
I think like women have a certain like a similar reaction, like, how come all these big, strong, muscular men, the In the books, give these women the most intense orgasms ever, and they're always choking them and slapping them and spitting in their face.
And I think that's what comes like it's like life imitates art, like art.
I think art seldom imitates life, and I think this is what happens.
And I think it's part of it is art in general getting weaker.
So the women are like, Well, like, choke me, so like, I feel something because if I ask you to punch me, you're gonna break your hand.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, I mean, it's an extremely powerful medium.
I still have bare scar tissue from some of the nastier porn that I've seen, not from my own searching, but being in a dorm room and somebody going, check this out.
The first time I saw Interracial, I was at a sleepover in maybe seventh or eighth grade, right?
Or some dude had access to it.
And I was like, oh, the first time I saw a black pecker, I was like, that's disgusting.
Even before I was racist, I was like, that guy holding a written banana?
Yeah, like a disgusting cucumber.
Yeah.
But yeah, so like you, so and it probably works the other way too, right?
Like, you know, a woman sees or reads something that's super spicy and, you know, it was the greatest thing ever.
Yeah.
Well, especially because we see how, how popular those books are.
Yeah.
Well, that's that, that is a segment of this for sure.
But there's also, I would call normal women who, Do like the maybe not being choked, but other that's what we're talking about, right?
Choking, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I think it's normal that a woman wants like a man to hold her in his big strong arms and like and then just like she wants to feel helpless in his power.
It's different, like, if a woman wants to be like choked or like slapped hard in the face or like spit on, like stuff like that, yeah, like that.
That's like that's like total porn brained.
There is something, there is some note in that that is common to it where there's like an okay way of expressing, and then there's this extremely exaggerated, twisted thing that's aggravated by pornography and the general tone of our culture and everything else.
Healthy, rough, and then perverse, rough.
Yeah.
And anti healthy.
Yeah.
And the two girls, one cup thing.
I saw that in the dorms, and you know, like, oh, God.
Sorry for even mentioning it.
I will happily admit, I saw that.
And I'll tell you my story.
I was in a punk band with this Jewish guy.
And then he came over one day as one described, as one does.
And he described the video to me in great detail.
And then at the end, I'm mortified because it doesn't, that sounds appealing.
And at the end of his summary, he says, You should watch it.
Like, not like, in like, dude, it's funny.
Like, he was like, Seriously.
Yeah, yeah, check it out.
I was like, Why would I do that?
You just described it, and then um, the singer of the band we had agreed this guy has to go after one day.
He showed up, he's like, I watched Two Girls One Cup.
I was like, Why?
He's like, I just like watching it again.
Oh, I don't even know what that is, and I don't want to know what it is.
Don't Google it, yeah.
No, you know, the only time I knowingly googled something that I really well, that's probably not true, that's an exaggeration, but the Nicholas Berg decapitation video from the early ISIS or Iraq, and yeah, once I saw a real decapitation.
On video, I've been sick for days and I can still summon those feelings.
So, yeah, don't seek it out.
And for the younger, yeah, when Chaim Shlomowitz says, Hey, check this out, boy, yeah, either is deliberately trying to poison you or he wants to drag you down to his sick level.
And doubly still for the women, yeah.
The thing is, there's a curiosity factor, especially when it's something so far out of like what anything you've ever imagined in your life.
There is a curiosity factor to go look at that thing.
If you're an adult, mature person listening to the show, which probably you are if you're listening, don't look at it.
Don't even indulge it.
And that's the thing.
When people are, when especially guys or teenagers, there's a curiosity about the opposite sex.
Cholesterol, Cancer, and Curiosity00:07:06
And it's not necessarily bad exactly.
And it's just the thing is, you can easily become addicted to those things.
And so just the fact that a young person, they want to see what that is all about and they look, okay.
Okay, you saw it.
Now that's enough.
Don't go for those.
You hear a description and then you want to go and find out what it's about.
No, it's not good.
It's not taking you anywhere good.
Sure.
And for the love of God, don't let your kids have full social media browsing access on their smartphones or on their computers.
Junior was complaining the other day.
He goes, None of my friends have any parental controls.
And we were just like, Nice.
I don't know if you're trying to get yours removed, but that is not happening.
Sorry, pal.
Did you tell him?
Well, like, well, did you also notice that you're a lot smarter than all your friends?
No, I don't want to make his head bigger than it might already be, but you know, it's just like there's the reason why.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, there's too much.
No, I get it.
And thank you for that.
But it's just like there's too much, not even like the corruption of your soul and your youthful innocence, but like actual.
Predators, dangerous actors.
You know, we had to go through the whole VPN conversation, and some VPNs are good, some are bad, because he's very technically savvy.
But yeah, kids, first and foremost.
I don't know if you're already married or you got a girlfriend, she's already consumed probably whatever she's going to consume.
But there's, yeah, good, good, healthy, robust sex.
And then there's, whether that story is true or not, Sam, you know, is that like a scare thing?
There's probably some truth to it for sure, because it's a real phenomenon.
And God knows there's probably enough.
You know, people there who are liking it.
I mean, people have copied to it for sure.
I've heard it too.
Yeah, yeah, no, 100%.
I think it's very similar to like the rise in anal sex and the rise in colon cancer.
I think these are like similar things.
Yeah, like we have a generation, like you think about like the boomers were like the first generation raised on television where millennials weren't the first rate, like, they had internet.
For most of their lives, but Zoomers are like the first generation with instant access to pornography.
And it's just, and it's easier to get than almost anything.
Like, I just think about like that stupid Obama thing, it's easier to get a gun than a library book.
It's like, no, it's easier to watch a pornographic video than like any video of substance on the internet.
I had a Jewish kid in my fraternity had.
For sure.
Jewish kid in my fraternity had the Pamela Anderson sex tape, which I can't say that I really hold that against him, that he let me catch a glimpse of that.
I didn't see any choking in that one.
Anyway, you mentioned colon cancer there, Rolo, and I recently had my annual physical, and I'm entering the ranks of Sam.
We are bestowing the ranks of Sam, not on the prostate front.
He said, You're good on that until.
I believe, maybe 55, but he did say 45 was colonoscopy time.
I'm going to break my anal cherry, for lack of a better term, sometime this summer.
I actually have to see the internist, the proctologist, whatever his specialty is, before I actually do the deed.
I'm hoping that he's going to ask me questions about my number twos, and I'm going to say they're pretty healthy.
And he's going to say you're probably good until you're 50 or something.
But I also mentioned to the doctor, I was like, what scares me is obviously the prostate cancer.
Possibility and the epidemic of colon cancer in otherwise healthy young people.
Like, I'm not really a worrier about that stuff.
I was healthy on all fronts except for my cholesterol jumped a lot.
So that was not wonderful.
But the science on cholesterol is a little bit different now.
They're saying it's a lot more genetic than it is.
Can I try to go ahead?
Sorry.
But on the cholesterol thing, because they recently lowered the number for the LDL cholesterol, it was, I think, over 100 was unhealthy.
And now it's 70.
And that is like very hard to get it that low if you have like a, I would say like a healthy American diet.
Meat and eggs.
Dairy.
Yeah.
One of our buddies that has been on the show, he had a heart attack.
And his diet and his habits, like I just asked him all day, I was like, what's your LDL?
And he's like, oh, it's 30.
I was like, what?
How could, oh, yeah.
Cause you're on statins.
Yep, yep, because you are.
You want high, yep, yep, yeah.
Then I'm like, oh, of course.
So I think that they're lowering that number so they can sell more.
Settings, they're so cheap.
I think so.
And you don't want to be on set, they're not good, correct?
Uh, they cause muscle ruptures, which you know, look out for that.
But, um, yeah, if you like if your LDL is like 120, 150 or whatever, uh, and the rest of you is healthy, you don't need to sweat it.
My LDL was 151 about a year ago.
And I assume that's the same.
It is well over 100, they say is bad.
And you know, I did not look different than the last time you saw me, coach.
So, like, that for sure, for what it's worth.
Yeah, to my doc's credit, they plug in all the numbers and they get like heart risk rating or score.
And mine was still low because my HDL, the good cholesterol, was also very high, which offsets.
Some of the rest of it, but it was very annoying to see it actually been declining over the past because you can see it all on your chart.
It had been going down and then it spiked recently.
Uh, which you know, the egg consumption, uh, tons of milk.
I'm still drinking tons of milk anyway.
Eggs, not so much, milk should do it.
A don't actually raise bad cholesterol because it's like the dietary cholesterol versus like your cholesterol, it's more like a low fiber diet.
And more like carbohydrate related, like simple.
He was like, take a fish oil every day and eat more fatty fish and stuff.
Which have more fiber.
I just started adding fiber to my diet and my LDL just fell crashing down.
Good stuff.
All right.
Tomato Layers and Raised Beds00:15:12
That's a good segue to Let's Top Garden.
Because when you mentioned fiber, just real quick the asparagus roots that I planted.
Three or four years ago, you might remember me talking about how asparagus, you have to let it just do its thing for ideally at least a year, or at least a year, maybe two years.
But now we have nice asparagus shoots shooting up from the raised bed in front of our house with no maintenance whatsoever.
You just got to be quick to pick them.
And I stick them in a glass of water in the house until we're ready.
Don't refrigerate them.
And they keep wonderfully as long as you catch them at the right moment.
But that was just a little thing that took 15 minutes at most years ago.
And now I have fresh asparagus shoots sprouting up in my garden almost daily.
Sam, over to you.
That's why they're more expensive, is because they have that kind of a long growing cycle.
One of the more expensive vegetables in the supermarket.
But yeah, the.
Crow, what you've been working on, what you're proud of, however you want to take it, buddy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, the reason I wanted to bring this up, and I know that you're kind of a little bit twice bitten, what's that saying?
Once bitten, twice shy, you know, on the garden show.
But the garden show has meant a lot to me and my family because back.
When we first started doing this, maybe I don't know if it was five or six years ago, we started pretty early with these gardening episodes in the history of the show.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And for me, being an urbanite, I didn't have any of that going, you know, and I was very inspired by those early couple of shows to start doing something.
And I started with, I can still remember it to this day, I had four different lettuces we started.
And it all bloomed beautifully, and we ate it all season long.
And it was just a great experience.
And that was just four kind of little pots, basically, we were growing it out of.
And each year we've attempted more.
And when you said that you maybe were not interested in doing a garden show, I thought, you know, there's always new listeners coming on.
And I didn't want to deprive some new person of being inspired to get into gardening as we have in our house.
So.
I did write out a few pages.
We don't have to go through all of it.
I'll just try to be juicy.
What was the most proud of?
What was more exciting?
Not bad.
But, you know, we've progressed, and I do want to acknowledge that my wife really does kind of lead the effort in this.
But so I divided this up into a few sections there's the seedlings, there's the raised beds, there's the greenhouse milk jugs, and then there's the composting.
So I'm going to try to.
Dress each section kind of briefly.
We did get into the seedlings are important, and you begin this in the wintertime.
So, we began some jalapeno and basil plants during the wintertime.
But now we're working on tomatoes, and there's so many interesting varieties.
I jotted down the names of them.
I thought I would read that because they're just so interesting.
There's Queen of the Night, Aurora Blue, Blue Marzano, German Lunchbox, And mushroom baskets.
We got five tomatoes and three to six plants each of each, and they're all in the little seedling, little, what do you call them?
Trays?
Trays, yeah.
And the first three I mentioned, Queen of the Night, Aurora Blue, Blue Marzano, they are blue.
They're blue tomatoes, or maybe more purple, I guess you might say.
But the last one, the mushroom basket, is a very large red beefsteak type tomato.
Those are in the seedling stage.
But so it's important to begin these, of course, indoor.
You don't want to plant really, you know, Mother's Day.
It's kind of funny to laugh, like, you know, we're using Mother's Day, a greeting card holiday.
But really, it's important, you know, that you are outside the frost region.
And we talked about, you know, I think maybe it was off the air about how there's frost on the lawn just the other day.
So you got to be a little careful there.
But ultimately, these seedlings go into the two, we're going with two raised beds.
But the seedlings, they have to sprout and be big enough so that the leaves do not touch the dirt when you.
Plant them outside.
That's important for some reason.
I'm not sure why, but the leaves shouldn't touch the ground.
So we have some grow lights.
We also have heat mats that they sit on, keep it an even 80 degrees.
And then you keep them covered until they sprout.
And then there's those tops of those trays, they have little holes to perforate and start to let the air in.
So once they sprout, then you open those perforations a little bit.
So that's the seedlings.
And you always water them at dirt level.
And my wife was out of town recently, and so I was doing the watering.
So I could definitely attest that it's happening.
And just a quick question for you there, Sam.
I don't think that you have one of those small greenhouses outside your house.
Are you doing these seedlings in your basement just with grow lights?
Yeah.
Not even in the basement, because the basement is rather.
Cool, so uh, they're just in the main part of the house.
So we have there's a desk, there's an area on the desk, we have the grow lights sitting there, and they're very cool, yeah, on the heat mats, two heat mats.
So, uh, then so the ultimate destination at that where we are now in our gardening is uh, we have two raised beds.
Um, the one is going to be for the tomatoes, and so they ultimately will be in tomato cages, which facilitate their growth.
You know, the vines like to grow on all that, um, and It's this is a lot of activity, and I want to make sure I give my wife credit again because you have to go out there and you have to water them and take care of them.
But it's good exercise, it's a good activity.
I'm less for that part of it, I'm more for the mowing the lawn and pulling the weeds and stuff like that.
But and there's pests too when you're talking about tomatoes, there's the tobacco hornworm, and if you find them, you got to get them out of the big, big, big, ugly green suckers.
Is that the one?
Yeah, I can't.
Miss it.
Yeah.
Feed them to your.
You don't have chickens, but those are good for the chickens if you ever find one.
Yes.
And then the second raised bed, we're doing something called hugel culture, hugel, h u g e l culture, k u l t u r, which means you're doing layers of wood, sticks, leaves, and grass.
So you put some sticks or, you know, kind of some branches, something like that.
And then you put a layer of leaves or grass and you build layers and the wood absorbs water.
So it.
Keeps everything moist as you build these layers.
And so, branches on the bottom, and then you can even use old dirt.
Sometimes you have maybe a couple of pots from last year or something was growing and it's just dirt now.
You can get rid of the old dirt, put it in there.
And so, in the Hugo culture, we're going to be growing carrots, celeriac, which is also known as celery root, which is good for making soups, and lettuce.
So, these things are all just in the seedling stage, but we're already building this, the Hooghel culture for that.
The next segment that I wanted to cover is the greenhouse milk jug.
So, we have seven milk jugs, you know, just your plastic gallon jug from your milk.
And so, this technique is called cold stratification.
So, you begin this four to six weeks before the last frost.
So, these have already been out there for a while.
And that The plants in there go through this thawing and freezing cycle.
That's what this cold stratification does.
Excuse me.
And so we're working on poppies, carrots, tarragon, which is an herb, and something called giant rattlebread seed poppy, which is they're actually sweet and you can make desserts from them, like that, or like coffee cake bread type things.
And so they.
These things are planted in these milk jugs and they're watered, you know, maybe once a week.
Let's call it once a week.
But the important thing is it goes through these thawing and frost cycles, and that's what they call cold stratification.
I'm totally impressed.
I just want to say that.
Going from the dismissive urbanite to having more going on than I do.
Yep.
Exactly.
And that's why I'm putting this out there is that this is all a lot of stuff.
I understand that to a listener, and maybe some people, their eyes are glazing over.
But to somebody listening, they'll hear some part or maybe more than one part, and they'll say, you know what?
I'm going to try that.
And that's the whole idea of this go out there and you got to try this.
So we do have a front garden patch where we're growing echinacea, which is good for tea, lavender, which is, of course, good for a lot of things, Russian sage, which is, you can make wreaths out of it.
It's really about all it's good for.
It's like decorative, it smells nice.
Phlox, which is just a pretty flower, and pink salvia, which is also a pretty flower.
It's a perennial.
Yep.
Yep.
So, and my last section I'm going to talk about is the compost, which some people maybe they're not even interested in this.
When my wife suggested this, I said, Listen, I don't want any like swarms of bees or bugs.
Rotting, sticking trash in my backyard.
Yeah.
Yes.
That was a concern.
But so we have a three sided, uh, Compost pile that we have a cinder block, like two layers of cinder block in a C shape, if you can picture it, three sided.
And in there, the idea of the compost is you're trying to develop sources of carbon and nitrogen, which is good for feeding the plants.
Ultimately, the purpose of this compost is that you use it to backfill the raised beds or other things where you're going to then put good organic soil on top of it.
And so you're so.
The way you build this thing is it's layers of wood chips, leaves, scraps from your kitchen, eggshells, coffee grounds, things like that.
But you're trying to build alternating layers of what they call greens and browns.
The greens are sources of nitrogen, the browns are sources of carbon.
And you want more carbon than nitrogen, like a 25 to 1 ratio.
But that's the idea of it.
And as far as like it's smelling bad, Or attracting bugs, then you cover it with a layer of wood chips.
And then you should have, everybody should have a very useful tool, which is a pitchfork.
And you might say, well, I have a shovel.
No, it's too heavy.
The stuff you're lifting is too heavy.
You want a pitchfork for turning it over.
And then you put a fresh layer of the wood chips.
And you could always be an angry villager, you know, when you're not doing the compost.
I thought the same thing when I bought my first pitchfork, Sam.
I was like, one day we'll do the bit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're going to need this.
We'll need it at some point.
So, anyways, like I said, the purpose of the compost is to provide backfill into the raised bed.
So, those are just some ideas.
I hope that people will say, hey, I'm going to try that.
Hell yeah.
Way to go, Sam.
That is awesome.
Going from zero to hero.
White V hats off, salute as well.
And you're in a somewhat tough climate and you don't have a lot of acreage to work with either, which makes it all the more impressive.
Rolo, have you been out in the garden?
You got a lot going on.
So I don't blame you if you want to just take a pass on this.
You got anything growing?
Not really.
I got a new cat.
He kind of wandered onto the property and he sleeps in the greenhouse.
It's pretty funny.
Okay.
Do you have any?
What's up, Sam?
Coach, you did mention about the greenhouse.
We did buy one of those, like a kind of portable, small little structure.
Yeah, but it's been so windy.
I would just think the thing would absolutely blow away.
But we might put something like that up eventually.
Yep.
Very good.
I'll be real quick here, partially, because there's not a lot to regale the audience with compared to, you know, during COVID, there was a lot of fear and we had a lot of time on our hands and a lot of free federal money.
So it was like, hey, let's go crazy, plant trees everywhere.
And a lot of that stuff that last year was the first year that we got actual edible cherries from the cherry trees that we planted.
Our apple trees still look like stunted retards.
Despite my best efforts with fertilizer and keeping the apple tree blight off of them, you know, my wife turned what was an old rotting pump house.
There's like an old shallow well on the property that she basically ripped out all the rot and put the plastic sheeting on.
Not sheeting, like real hard vinyl plastic clear.
So I did, my little buddy and I went out there and got our varietals where we just went with beefsteak tomatoes, which is kind of generic, just the big red ones.
We went with Romas.
For actually making our own tomato sauces, you know, later in the summer, August and September is really prime where we are.
And then brandy wines, which are these beautiful, they have a little bit of blue to them, Sam.
Those are the real good slicing ones you could just eat on your own.
And then cherry tomatoes, of course.
Autumn Olive and Cowbirds00:06:28
Now, I don't know.
Last year, we had a lot of volunteers.
That's the other thing to stress is that, like with the asparagus, like with the fruit trees, like with planting tomatoes a lot, you will get with cucumbers, my Almost exclusive cucumber bed where I have a nice big, we got a big piece of metal that came as like packaging structuring for a thing that we bought years ago.
And I sort of attached it to the shed in a spot that got a lot of sun.
And the cucumbers just, it's like a ready made trellis for it.
And we had so many cucumbers last year that they were literally like rotting on the vine, or I would just drop them in the garden.
Like, there's my investment for next year.
And they're popping up everywhere.
It's going to be like a cucumber race.
Off to the races to see who can climb and grow strongest first.
But part of the reason why I haven't done that much and where we didn't do potatoes again, because potatoes are a pain in the ass.
And that whole massive section that I painstakingly planted in the past is now just choked with weeds and stuff.
I'm like, man, it's going to take, I don't have a tiller.
It would take a ton of overturning of the soil plus adding in a ton of garden soil that I've sort of been punting on that.
But I think I'm going to, I did dutifully save a ton of pumpkin seeds from our best pumpkins last year.
So, that is high on the prior list to get out there and plant pumpkin seeds.
And then, of course, protect it from the rabbits and everything that's going to come and try to eat that.
But I finally educated myself on this somewhat interesting, but absolutely invasive Asian shrub that is everywhere on my property.
And I've seen it everywhere on roadsides and streamsides in West Virginia.
And it's all over the eastern, maybe even up in your part, but it's called autumn olive.
That name probably doesn't mean anything to you.
But if you see it, you might recognize it.
It is a sort of not thorny, but spiky, fast growing, dominating shrub that actually does give edible berries.
Double check that.
Don't take my word for it and just go gobble gallons of autumn olive.
But I looked it up, Grok everything said, yeah, they're actually edible.
You can make them into jams and stuff.
I tried one previously just to taste it to see if it was bitter and it was a little bit bitter, but it might not have been ready.
But it's just everywhere.
The birds love it, but it's nasty.
It sort of overgrows things.
So I first started getting out there and Cutting it with the heavy duty pruning shears.
And eventually I said, This is for chumps, and went to get the Echo chainsaw that my dad lovingly gifted me years ago and just started cutting those things down at the stump.
They're not supposed to be here, they dominate other trees.
They're spiky, and despite the fruit or whatever.
So I've been like an Appalachian George W. Bush out there.
I remember him saying, I'm going out to the ranch to clear brush, you know?
And like now I'm literally, I guess I'm getting great satisfaction from clearing this crap growing on the sides.
I can see the stream better.
But, and my objective is to beautify the place, eliminate.
I mentioned last show about how much there's a certain metaphor for when you're out on your own property clearing out the vines and the thorns and the crap that is dominating the rest of the stuff.
And now my problem is I've got these giant heaps of semi spiky invasive shrubs dying and wilting on the side of the road.
They look uglier than they did originally.
And I'm slowly starting to burn them as they, you know, start to dry out a little bit.
And, I just, I'm really excited.
Some of the fruit trees are finally, you know, we got apples, pears, peaches, apricot, and cherries.
Obviously, we got a good amount of acreage here.
The apples still look sickly as hell, but everything else is starting to look good.
And one of the most optimistic or heartening things is that I have not seen a deer on our property in a long time.
And I attribute that to the brutal winter that we had.
It probably culled a lot of them, unless the hunters were totally getting greedy last fall.
So, normally at this time, you know, if we leave for a day or two with a dog and we come back, it's absolutely noticeable that the deer just came and had a party.
But this year, no evidence of deer whatsoever.
We see a couple of bunny rabbits.
Oh, and my, I don't know if I should admit this on the air, but last year we noticed that cowbirds were starting to show up.
We had never seen cowbirds on our property before.
And last year they were like dominating the bird feeder, black with brown heads, and they are a parasitic.
Brood.
What do the females do?
They don't make their own eggs.
They lay their eggs in other birds' nests, big eggs, big chicks who dominate the other birds.
Some birds, like blue jays, are smart enough to kick those things out.
Other birds are not, and they suffer greatly from them.
So I have been doing a little bit of, you know, I don't have a problem with cowbirds, but they have to be go be cowbirds somewhere else.
And I've been picking them off with my air rifle when I see them at the bird feeder.
And elsewhere, I've gotten probably a dozen.
By now, only one female.
They're harder to identify and fewer and far between.
But I feel a little guilty about it.
No, not really.
Honestly, they're a parasitic brood.
They don't make their own nests, they kill other birds.
You can go be cowbird somewhere else.
So I'm branching out from simply humbly planting trees to now cleaning up my ecosystem from the autumn olive and the cowbird menace.
Cowbirds are great out in fields.
They eat a lot of insects.
They literally follow cows around and muck about in the stuff that cows.
Turn, but they absolutely make their existence possible by the mooching and parasitism off of other breeds.
So, I got to get to the pumpkins.
And apparently, this is hoping for this.
This is not only in the hominid humanoid level, but the same thing works in the animal, other levels of the animal kingdom.
And they are literally ugly and black and brown.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It rhymes.
It certainly rhymes, if nothing else.
Ecosystem Cleanup and Rhymes00:12:26
I rest my case.
Yep.
All right.
I don't have anything.
There's definitely no energy.
You want Sermon on the Mount.
Well, we can't do it now.
Well, I mean, I guess I could pull it up and try to find the passage that really.
Well, let me just start.
Maybe you will latch on to something.
Save it.
I'm looking at my.
I know it's like that, but it's like the constant teaser.
People are like, just do the damn Sermon on the Mount or not, yeah.
Well, yeah, okay, go ahead.
Yeah, I'll be willing to wait to address it more fully as long as it's not a month until our next show.
Oh, the knife that cuts the deepest is the one that is most true, yeah.
I know.
No, well, here, what we, yeah, I just want to have some of the most famous passages like the Beatitudes and the Lord's Prayer is in there, as well as many other ones I could quote.
To me, it's hard for me to even prepare an exact talk on it other than to read it and go line by line and make some comments on it.
But the entire thing is chock full of very poetic and proverbial type of things like, Behold the birds of the air, the Lord takes care of them.
Not one of them falls, but the Lord knows it, so certainly take care of you.
And a lot of those types of things.
So I guess I'd be interested.
Whether now or in a future episode, what turns you off about it?
Because those are all very, to me, crucial and important passages.
I'll say one more thing about it and then I'll just shut up.
It's fine.
The whole thing about talking about Christianity or talking about the Bible or the sayings of Christ, to try to set it as though.
It has some kinds of possible other interpretation.
You know, the way I approach people is first, I try to get somebody to be a white nationalist first.
That's the first thing.
Once you're a white nationalist, now we can have like conversations where it makes sense of what the scriptures say.
But if somebody's going to hold off like there's like another, like a separate explanation exclusive of white nationalism, then I say it's like a waste of time.
Because that's like saying, well, I'm going to admit to some other thing that contradicts the basic values of my life or something like that.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's almost like it could be almost a waste of time to get too deep into it, other than parts of this thing you should have memorized.
The eight Beatitudes you should recite every single day, the Lord's Prayer you should recite every single day.
I have to go back and find, you know, it certainly was not a universal revulsion, Sam.
I wasn't like, oh, look at all this slop.
I was like reading it, like, okay, like Wayne's World, I see what you've done here.
I like this.
Hmm.
You know, I got that one sticks in my craw a little bit, but I would have to go back and do it.
All right.
I thought for the quick and eat, because there are, I could have sworn, whatever I read was like either the condensed version, maybe it was just those Beatitudes or something, regardless, but it didn't look like it went on for pages and pages.
But I'll go back and verify.
Matthew is 25 to 27.
Chapter 25 to 27.
It's literally three chapters.
And then the Luke.
Version is chapter six, verses 20 to 49.
So it's just like a little portion, and there are areas that overlap, but each of them also has material that's not in the other one.
The audience is like, Good God, these guys are going to keep talking about reviewing the Sermon on the Mount until the end of the show.
Yeah, and I, you know, it's real, real late in the show, but I had a talk with an old head the other day who called out of the blue.
I was so delighted.
Normally, when you see a number called these days, you're like, didn't have you on my schedule.
Sorry not answering that.
But I happily answered that and told him I felt like a lapsed white nationalist, not because my views have changed, but just because I'm busier.
A couple of years ago, I had a lot more free time on my hands.
I had a lot more agitation.
And when we were supposed to record a week ago or so, And we had something going on, and I just said, you know what?
My life would be a lot more enjoyable not doing the show tonight.
And I said, I'm sorry, guys, no go tonight.
We'll have to reschedule.
And I get that feeling a lot more.
This is not going to be a whole segment.
Woe is me or death to the podcast.
But yeah, it's just for sure the burning motivation to share my opinion on the world with the Full House audience is still negligible.
I mean that respectfully.
I certainly hope the audience doesn't think that we're.
Wasting their time, especially after I finally spilled the beans after so many years about some of the details about my travails.
But I also don't have my, I honestly, like after this Iran war thing, I was just like, damn it, we're right back to where we started from and like street demos and like going to help people and handing them a card and saying maybe you would consider joining our group.
It's mostly on me.
Don't let me be a dispirator or a demotivator or certainly not a de radicalizer.
It's just, I remember the feeling that I had 10 years ago.
I remember the feeling that I had five years ago.
And I feel much differently about things now, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing or something in between can be debated.
But those old, like, what are we doing here?
Does it matter?
Do you know, shut up and let everybody do their thing aside from sharing some like now getting long in the tooth wisdom.
But go ahead.
Well, I mean, just like the, uh, when we were just talking about all the, uh, the planting and, and seedlings and, you know, uh, uh, A living thing grows and changes and it becomes more itself the more it grows, right?
When an acorn starts sprouting and growing as it becomes a gigantic tree, it's only becoming itself, right?
So, you know, that you go through different phases and things like that is only natural and you don't have to look at it as some harbinger of like, yeah, I'm done with this or something.
It's just another phase.
Yeah.
I remember watching this guy who was in a max security prison and they were doing an interview.
This is a guy who's in his cell 23 out of 24 hours a day.
And he was a white nationalist.
But you might say, what possible impact does this guy have on the world?
Like you're saying about you're going to write things or you're going to do a podcast or not do a podcast, whatever.
That's not where it is.
This guy, his life had dignity and meaning because he understood what being a white nationalist meant.
And even though he's locked up, yet he could hold his head high and live with himself, so to speak, because he had the right view of the world and the right types of values.
So it gives meaning to your life, whether you're writing a lot of effort posts online or doing a podcast or attending a rally or none of the above.
So that's what white nationalism should be.
It's not about whether we're winning or losing, it's a lifestyle.
True that, true that, as my son would say.
And there's also, yeah, there's a cruel irony that I'm now finally freed from what was, you know, a six year sort of bureaucratic wrangle and an albatross around my neck.
I'm finally free of it.
And now I'm like, oh, and, you know, there was a guy from Australia, I think it was Jack Eltis, who wrote a long screed against moving to the country, you know, escaping the suck instead of embracing the suck.
And it was really well written and it really resonated with me because I, Oh, that happened to me.
That happened to me.
I'm largely isolated from the ills that I see on the internet, which is a part of it.
And then somebody else came along and basically rebutted what that good post was and was like, You're crazy.
Like, if you have a wife and kids, you want to get as far away from danger and degeneracy as possible.
Your contributions to the cause be damned.
And I was like, You too, sir, have a good point there.
Well, remember what our good friend Thomas Sewell said there's been a zombie apocalypse.
So, we have the homesteaders and we have the hunting parties looking for survivors, right?
So, sometimes a person can do both things, but not usually.
Usually, you're a homesteader or you're on the search party.
And so, that's what you're talking about.
At one point, you felt like you're on the search party, but then a different phase of your life meant you had to be a homesteader.
And both things are good, both things we need.
Occasionally somebody can do both things, but usually people have to do one thing or the other.
So, yeah, and there's also, there's, and there's also like the, you know, like I'm a veteran, I did my time.
Now it's up to you guys to do your time.
That sentiment does cross my mind every once in a while.
That's a good one.
Yeah.
It's, if you are really a veteran, then you better be sharing the lessons learned.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You did earlier in the show.
Maybe the only, the only thing we should add is there should be more shows.
That would be the only criticism there.
Sure.
Yeah.
Well, you know, a wise man once said, do it or don't do it, but don't complain.
Don't complain publicly.
Yeah.
So I certainly won't do that.
Do or do not.
That was the old way.
There is no try.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So, all right.
I think we have done well enough this week for sure, this month.
And we will be back.
And I'll try to put my nose back to the grindstone while still being a good husband, father, and Employee and homesteader and driver and lover and all those things.
But not a strangler.
No, not a strangler.
Never have that, doesn't do anything for me.
But if you stop and think about it, like I was just listening, I was like, holy crap, I got to do this, I got to do that, I got to do that.
Anyway, but that's life.
And we're still alive.
That's what counts.
We're still here to talk about this relatively wretched age.
Could get a lot more wretched.
And that's when things can get a lot more.
Exciting.
There's still a feeling that I have in my bones.
I'm not bold enough to predict it that this is all sort of like the 1920s, at least financially.
Certainly, we've already seen the demographic stuff leading up to a very nasty denouement or fall from grace for the Western system, for the whole world.
I don't know.
But blowing up the Middle East's major energy infrastructure, which has only happened to a tiny little baby percentage thus far in the grand scheme of things.
Would certainly be an accelerant to that.
And there's a dark angel on my shoulder that kind of wants that to happen to see it all burn because a lot of it does deserve to burn.
And then there's the no, no, no, let's let bygones be bygones.
Just back off this whole thing and let the world continue to go about its business and have cheap oil and gas and forget it ever happened, which is, of course, what they're going to want to do.
Bound for Glory and Whitman00:03:29
But it all comes back to whatever happens.
Trump is either going to blow up Iran's energy infrastructure.
And try to like land on Karg Island and totally escalate before he can like super declare victory and come home.
Or he's going to have to slink away from this with his tail between his legs in reality, but trumpeting a grand victory.
And the people in the know in China and Russia and Iran and the other countries that are currently tendentiously aligned to us or hesitantly, reluctantly, they're going to say, holy moly.
They should have known already, but to be an enemy of the United States is dangerous, but to be a friend of it, an ally of it, is even more dangerous.
Yep, exactly.
So, yeah, on the cusp of a new era for sure.
So, we'll wrap it there.
We'll wrap it there.
Sam, you got the closing music and you can decide now or you can decide after the show.
As usual, my only request is to make it as melodic or Normie, imagine a Normie's listening to it and drawing a conclusion of skinhead rock.
That's it.
Yeah, right, right.
Well, I'm tempted to go with Bound for Glory at a song years ago.
It was a tribute to Michael Whitman, the brave and heroic tank commander, very notorious, successful one back in the day.
And that just popped into my head right now.
I guess if I was thinking about a song, I would think of all kinds of things.
But that one jumps into my head.
It's a heavy song, but if you know Bound for Glory, it's pretty professional and melodic and well played and all that.
So I'll send you that one.
You can make the decision.
You can always change it.
I'll give it the thumbs up.
It's funny.
It reminds me that I used to follow a guy on Twitter named Michael Whitman without having any idea who the hell that was.
And it was a black and white photo of him that, you know, on this long journey that so many of us have been on, you know, we get educated to the heroes and the unsung heroes and all the rest of it.
Rolito, my friend, Godspeed in the homestretch.
You got some time.
But not a ton of time.
And reminder to the audience if you want to chip in to the Make Rollo's Wedding a little bit nicer or less indebted, and the honeymoon, and the honeymoon.
So who's marketing this thing?
Yeah.
I said that at the beginning.
You just weren't listening because you're not.
I know you did, but I can be a little bit ruder or more frank here at the end of the show than I was at the top when we were giving the Primo sales pitch.
All right.
We love you, fam.
This was 225.
We've been at this for seven years, and I hope I didn't.
Bleat or gild the lily with my little condensed tail that has been bottled up in a little jar because a lawyer told me to for so long.
But that's the truth.
And we love you.
And we'll talk to you next week.
And this is almost certainly Michael Whitman by Bound for Glory.
And if we don't play it now, the Bound for Glory guys are going to be after my ass.