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Dear listener, we had hoped to finally release this show in exuberant exaltation at the exoneration of our dear friend.
However, things have degenerated so badly in Old England that tragically we must release it with a paw cast over it.
Ash was acquitted on the farcical charge of boosting Mr. Bond's music, which brought his persecution about in the first place, but convicted of possession of a terroristic document, which they only discovered after arresting him on the initial bogus charge.
So you see how this works.
He still faces up to six years imprisonment and will be sentenced in two months.
Whatever you do upon listening to this, do not despair.
Use it as motivation to redouble your resolve and your efforts.
Remember that Britain is a canary in a coal mine for what our elites want implemented in America.
And please support his lovely wife and young daughters via a fundraiser that we will boost shortly.
So without further ado, this is Full House episode 157, our fourth anniversary special.
It is the fourth anniversary of the founding of Full House back in April 2019, and we've got a special one in store for you this week.
It's so special, in fact, that we, as we go to tape, we don't know when we'll be able to release it.
That's because our very special guest is not only a longtime listener, correspondent, and proud English family man, but has recently had his life turned upside down by His Majesty's government for dissident activism and is on the cusp of either exoneration or possibly imprisonment.
I am just as excited for this one as I am nervous for our pal across the pond.
So, mr producer Action, welcome everyone
to full house.
The world's most steadfast show for white fathers, aspiring ones and the whole BIO fam.
It is episode 157 and the kickoff to our fourth year of excellence in entertainment, education, and inspiration.
As hokey as that sounds, it's sincere as hell too.
I am, as always, your kid chauffeuring host, Coach Finstock.
About eight hours of driving and chores today, and I have to admit, it is a weird feeling to welcome on an old pal on the verge of either glorious freedom or the gallows.
All right, he's not actually facing the gallows so far as we know, but you never know how things go over there.
And before we meet the birth panel and our special guest, big thanks to Knickerbocker, Rusty, and an anonymous donor for their kind support this week.
And we got a very kind note in the super secret comments section of the website.
It's super secret because only I can read them.
It just goes right to the email.
It doesn't show online.
But here it goes.
It says, thank you, gentlemen, for producing such a great show.
Former libertarian turned National Socialist here, seven years strong now, as if he's an alcoholic or something, or recovering.
I love to listen while working on the homestead.
And today you all get to join me in processing two giant dead Eastern pine trees.
Yep, we've all been there, at least in this part of the country, pal.
You all never let me down.
Keep it up, guys.
1488HH, and that was from Jay.
So thank you, Jay.
And we are sort of like that pink blob in Ghostbusters 2, only we feed off of positive energy, not the negative energy from New York City.
And with that, that's enough of me.
Let's get on with the show.
First up, I don't know what the hell he's been doing in the white nationalist movement all these decades because he's never been in as much trouble as our special guest this week, Sam, for shame.
Well, it's been a while, anyways, you know.
But yeah, hey, Coach, today I mowed the lawn for the first time this year.
And, you know, we had, yeah, we had some warm days and it was getting pretty mangy looking.
I get out there.
It starts snowing.
Mowing in the snow.
Mowing in the snow.
A bucket list of mine.
So I couldn't help but think of Coach.
I said, what would Coach do?
Would he quit or would he soldier on?
And I said, no, we have to keep going.
Yeah.
And anyways, it was expected not to last long and it didn't last too long, but it did.
It was real snow.
In fact, it's on the cars.
If you look, if you were able to see out the window behind me, you'd see the cars have a crust of snow on them.
Real upper Midwest hours.
Good for you, Sam.
Yeah.
Yes, sir.
All right.
You ready to go?
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
Four years.
Four years.
And thank you for the long time.
Yeah, four years.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
It's been nothing but a pleasure the whole time.
Amen.
All right.
Well, next up, our resolute producer.
You just know that he got excited and wanted to chime in when I mentioned Ghostbusters 2 right there.
That's right.
He is the host of the Final Storm, our pop culture analyst, I suppose, when he's not playing games and recording the show.
Rolo, welcome, brother.
Damn glad to have you.
Well, thank you.
Yeah, don't you remember the positive slime from Ghostbusters 2?
They made the toaster dance.
Oh, that's what they used to bring that Statue of Liberty to life.
Oh, there was two types of slime, the negative slime and the positive slime.
I didn't watch closely enough.
It wasn't.
That's not the way it worked.
It was you had to give the slime good vibes and then it did good.
Otherwise, the slime was evil.
I'm just saying that there were the two slimes.
What happens is, because the slime in New York City was evil at first because there were Jews there, and then they got rid of them and the Statue of Liberty danced.
There he is.
Very excited.
Another surprise special guest this week.
I'm almost as excited at the prospect of an American dissonant ex-con joining us for a show with a British, possibly soon-to-be con, who was at one point a corrections officer than our special guest himself.
Chris Cantwell, damn glad to have you back.
It's good to be with you, gentlemen.
It's very good to be back.
And I mean, this is exactly what our society has come to.
You know, they basically criminalized policing and then, you know, things could just get weirder from there, you know.
It's deadly serious stuff, but at the same time, you know, we're joking before we go to the show.
Our guest has a smile on his face.
He's not faking, having an upbeat.
You know, it's the only thing you can do is sort of like laugh and smile and spit in the face of adversity, which you know well, Chris.
Indeed, that is, that is precisely the way to deal with it.
And adversity has a very spittable face, as it turns out.
Maybe even a maceable.
We won't go there.
Let's not dig that up.
Chris is smiling.
All right.
Check out Chris at ChristopherCantwell.net.
His new show, Surreal Politics.
I'll plug him.
Surreal Politiques.
Politiques.
Poor choice of words.
And of course, he is still doing radical agenda and wrapping it up.
I plug him so he doesn't have to.
And we'll get back to Chris.
Excited to have you back, big guy.
And finally, our very special and very patient guest.
There he is.
We're all on camera tonight.
He was arrested by English counterterrorism police almost a year ago for the alleged crime of boosting Mr. Bond music on Telegram and then allegedly having a spooky document somewhere in his telegram that he may or may not have ever clicked on.
He is the founder of the White Stag Athletics Club, a longtime friend of Full House, but most importantly, husband to a brave and beautiful woman and father to two precious little girls.
Ash, welcome to Full House, brother.
Thanks, man.
Thanks to be.
Thanks to be here.
Thanks to be with all you guys.
I just want to tell everybody that I am unbothered, moisturized, happy, in my lane, focused, and flourishing.
Hell yeah.
Now, is that your real name or is that a Holocaust joke, sock name, Ash?
No, that is my real name.
That is my real name.
All right.
It's kind of, there's no point like hiding anymore.
The BBC's dox me.
So that's what happens when you get arrested for sharing Mr. Bond records.
Getting dox makes your life more difficult in some ways, but it simplifies other things for sure.
And we're going to get into all of it this week, Ash.
But just right here at the top, you are facing, I believe, trial next week with a big decision to come.
How are you and your family holding up?
I mean, it's been a wild year, a really, really wild, intense year, but I'm a Christian.
Oh, we'll get to that bit.
I know.
We do miss that.
I know, yeah, yeah.
All right.
That's any religion fatherhood sadly.
But yeah, as you like, my friend.
You do have to take these things with the understanding that he's shaping you for something else.
He's shaping you into being a better servant for him.
And that's what I believe.
So he's definitely done that.
It's been sometimes painful process.
And you do do the kind of like the cycle of it's so over.
We're so back.
Like that slips more times than you can imagine.
But it's we're going to fight.
We're going to fight.
I think we're going to win.
If we don't win, then so be it.
Damn it.
I did the thing.
It's all right.
Just more work for Rolo.
It's fine.
The thing is, like you got to think of like the Christians in the early parts of Christianity, you know, when they were being martyred by the many thousands and even millions, possibly.
And the way they looked at it was, we have to go through this so we can get to the next level.
You know, it's like Kali Yuga, if you wanted to look at it that way.
You know, we have to go through these difficult times so that we get to better times.
And that's how our ancestors were able to endure and overcome these difficulties.
Amen, Sam.
And Ash, are you a pure Anglo?
I know you're a Christian, and you got, and I already kind of spilled it that you got two beautiful baby girls.
Anything else there?
As far as I know, we're English right the way back to Anglo-Saxon times.
There's some ancestry that's in the south of England and they had a Norman name, but it's more likely that they were given that as they lived on like Norman fiefdoms.
I'm a northerner, so we don't like the Normans.
We don't like them at all.
Norman's out.
The real question is the Norman question.
I'm a Christian.
I go to a, it's a Church of England church, but it's relatively uncooked.
It's just a decent local church, great congregation, good people, a lot of kids, good families there.
And yeah, married to my wife.
Two great kids.
Can't be big.
It was a damn pleasure to do a FaceTime with you and Wifey and your relatively newest baby girl there the other couple months ago.
Ash, I'm sincerely curious to know for my ME audience's edification.
So many of our guys around the world, doesn't matter where they live, they have roughly similar ideological journeys, you know, from liberal to conservative and then to white racial identity and solidarity.
But I do not know yours, my friend.
So just a little bit of a summary of your journey, if you don't mind.
Okay, well, I'm from a northern mining town.
So you kind of just like filtered into, well, you're going to be a labor voter because the Tories suck.
And that was like the 90s.
And then you sort of go, okay, well, I guess the Tories suck.
So I'll vote for this Tony Blair guy.
And then you get like war.
This is the exact opposite of what I wanted.
And then I started reading some funky books and got into a bit of a Marxist mindset.
Along down that line, it was an anarchist, really.
But going into Marxism quite a lot, I thought, well, you know, all this kind of stuff sounds cool, but the only way you're going to put it into practice is by unending use of force.
And that doesn't sound very cool to me.
So I was just kind of like, well, okay, the whole system's out.
I've done it again.
It's all right.
Badass.
Can't take the Anglo out of him.
I'm an ex-prison officer, dude.
He's just natural.
That's all right.
So, yeah, the menacing aspect of Marxism turned you out.
Yeah, so then like, I just thought, well, you know, hell with this.
I'm going to do a lot of drugs and play metal guitar.
So that's what I did instead.
And like, but I was still really quite radically political, just anti-state rather than anything else.
So I guess it's kind of like an arco-libertarian.
And then after a while, like the consequences of the multicultural agenda had sort of gotten too big to ignore.
So I started blogging and writing.
And I found myself trying to address the questions posed by the quote-unquote far right.
And started to think like a lot of what I'm writing down here could embolden this scary far-right stuff.
And I remember talking to the wife, saying, Look, I don't want that.
How do we answer these questions without becoming the evil Nazis?
And then I thought, you know what?
Well, I'm going to follow the truth in all things and I'm going to read the forbidden texts.
And I read the forbidden texts and I found them to be quite agreeable.
And it's really well thought out.
And it's not psychotic, evil, genocidal nonsense that we're told it is.
And it's kind of like, wow.
Mind, I assume.
Any other formative forbidden texts for my legionaries, particularly, which might explain a lot about my life otherwise.
But a real kicker, the real big kicker, was I was pretty, I was derasinated.
I didn't feel English, didn't feel you have a connection with people.
Like I lived in Wales for a while and really admired the kind of like Welsh cultural hegemony that they have there.
And my wife's Polish, right?
So we went to visit Poland for the first time.
And I was there in this country in the winter.
And you're surrounded by all these like white people going about their day.
But it's a really well integrated, homogeneous society.
And they've got a Polish culture and a Polish way of dress.
And they sing Polish hymns together at Christmas.
Everybody knows the words.
And it just hit me.
These people have an identity.
Like, where's mine?
What happened here?
Who took this from us?
because I understand that the state has power to direct culture.
And yeah, that kind of put me on a real kind of investigative path into English culture and English history.
And the more I learned about that and more I learned about the evil books that no one should ever read, because Amazon says so, you get to where we are today.
And so, well, okay, hold on.
I've learned some things and these people aren't the monsters that they're made out to be.
And the state is still the monster I always knew it was, but it's worse.
Amen, brother.
Yeah.
Not only do you have Chris's same haircut, but that journey sounds roughly similar to Chris Cantwell's.
Chris, that sound, you know, I don't know if you were a Marxist back in the day, but yeah, I never got into the, I discovered Karl Marx largely as a as a consequence of opposition to it.
The first time I read the Communist Manifesto was I was involved with the Tea Party movement.
And so I never really went down that path.
Like I didn't care about politics at all until September 11th, 2001.
And then I was like, what the hell's going on in the world?
I should watch Fox News and find out.
And, you know, Bill O'Reilly gave me all of my political opinions for a bunch of years.
And then things changed later on.
Sure enough.
Ash, how did you go?
All right.
So you sort of arrived ideologically.
And then we know that a ton of guys arrive there and stay there, right?
Like that's that they don't want to go any further than maybe having a sock online and bless them.
Like it takes all kinds.
I understand.
Of course, you and I and Chris and others, many others have suffered for our beliefs.
But was there something that made you go from just knowing to doing?
Like you started the White Stag Athletics Club.
Was there stuff before then?
Going from understanding to getting involved and doing things?
Sure.
So me and my then girlfriend, now wife, we moved out to Ibiza, which is a very nice island in the Mediterranean to go live there because there wasn't a lot for us in England, really.
I was just bumming around and she'd literally just arrived to the country a few months earlier.
And we've been there for a year and I'm working as a copywriter in this social media agency in San Antonio.
And I'm sat in this office overlooking the beautiful San Antoni Bay.
And I get the news of the Manchester bombing, where this guy blew up a bunch of children, a pop concert.
And I wept and I couldn't stop crying about it.
And I'd wept before, like realizing the extent of the demographic replacement that we're facing and the ultimate destruction of our people.
But this one, well, I put a face on it.
It really just hit me like a sledgehammer.
And I was like, this cannot stand.
So I started looking out for people who were doing what I was good at, which was writing.
And I found some people that were building a website, which eventually became the magazine called Republic Standard.
And we started publishing articles from across the kind of like generally right political spectrum.
I do remember it.
It was great at the time.
Yeah.
You had a lot of we were sort of fumbling around a lot of it.
I mean, we had no money.
We had like varying quality of articles.
We had some brilliant minds working on it.
And it was a privilege to edit those guys.
And then when we moved back to, oh, eventually the unknown people of unspecified origin who like Friday night dinners shut that website down by cutting the Google search engine result page ranking.
So you just get bottomed out.
So we could have just kind of folded it and we moved back to the UK because we wanted to have some kids and family.
And we started the, well, I started meeting a few nationalists at local meets here.
I met some smart guys and we started up the podcast on TRS called The Absolute State of Britain.
And I did that for a little bit.
And then I had to leave because I was joining the prison service.
All right.
More on that.
Was that just opportunism, you know, like a solid job that you thought might provide more job security?
Or what went into that?
Yeah, well, I'd got into like nightclub security while I was working out in Ibiza.
And it seemed like, yeah, huge.
And there's loads of work.
So I just, okay, I'll do that.
And I got back to live in England and did some like door work there, but it's really patchy.
The pay's like pretty crap these days.
I don't think crap's a swear word, right?
Crap's okay.
The pay is crap.
And I ran into a doorman there who was joining the prison service.
And I was like, what the hell do you want to do that for?
That sounds like an insane job.
He was like, no, dude, like the pay package is okay.
I mean, it's steady.
Overtime's good.
And you're not going to, like, they're not going to run out of prisoners.
So your job's always going to be there.
I was like, well, all right.
Screw it.
Count me in.
And that was the beginning of three interesting years of the prison service.
Chris, do you think that our special guest, if he does have to do time, well, I know you're not an expert on the British prison experience, but, you know, a former corrections officer going into the big house, is he going to be public enemy number one?
I guess that sort of depends on where you are.
I mean, you know, my prison experience was sort of unique because I was in the communications management unit.
And so like, you know, the people there, like, we got along with the cops, you know, like it wasn't, it wasn't that big of a deal.
I imagine that in other areas of the prison system, that is most certainly not the case.
And so I'm unable to predict what's happening.
Maybe.
Are you worried about that aspect, Ash?
Well, we will get into some of these circumstances around a little bit later, I'm sure.
But I've already been to prison once through this.
And in the British prison system, they have something called the Vulnerable Prisoners Wing, which is where you keep rapists and paedophiles and also police officers, judges, prison officers, that kind of thing.
So, yeah, those are going to be my buddies.
Requested clarification is, will you say you went to prison already?
This was like a pre-trial detention sort of situation you're talking about?
No, like in October last year, I was arrested for breach of bail conditions.
And the breach of bail conditions was that I had taken, done an activity relating to White Stack Athletic Club, either online or in person.
This condition was put in place a few months prior.
And my lawyer and the cop who actually arrested me for the breach, he was running backwards and forwards with his handlers, his bosses, because he's low level.
And they said, look, we don't want you going off and training with these guys.
They don't want me going off and hiking or boxing or anything with these guys.
And we were quite specific about what it was.
So the activity that I did was, this is July time.
I was pretty sure that they weren't going to be dumb enough to charge someone with sharing rap music.
So I was like, look, the ultimate aim, the ultimate goal of this thing was to be a legitimate organization anyway.
So I'm going to register it as a company as a private members club, which is a which under our law, the Equality Act 2010, technically should be permitted so that you can be a private club for white heterosexual men because you can have clubs for lesbian Muslim women of African origin.
So if you can't do that, then it's not an equality act.
It's an anti-white act.
So it's a bit of law fare on my part too, just to try and see what they do.
They have to test the system, see if they'll live up to their own standards.
And I'm sorry.
Yeah, cool.
So you first got in trouble with the law due to your association or leadership in White Stag, and then the dreaded bond sharing of music came into the picture.
Timeline was.
No, no, like the bond sharing was the tactic they used to get me.
Okay, that was.
They used that to get into my house to try and find some nefarious shit.
Damn it.
That's all right.
Sorry, Roller.
He hates me.
He hates me.
I'm sorry, Roller.
No, that works out.
Did they know who you were before you shared the music?
Were you already doxed?
Or did they, they had their eye on White Stag and then did they worm their way into Telegram?
I guess, you know, identifying how you, for the benefit of other dissidents around the world on the show, sort of best practices and how they worm their way into your life.
So here's the early timeline.
So on May 9th, 2022, Hope Not Hate, who are a UK analogous group to the SPLC or something, heavily funded by George Soros to the tune of £100,000 a year.
Not the Masoros conspiracy guy, but that's what he does.
It's a fact.
They publish a report every year called The State of Hate.
And in this report, they detail the activities of every nationalist group you can get a hold of.
It's a bit like the nationalist Oscars over here because we're all looking out for white friends.
Look at that.
We made it.
Yeah.
We're on the map, literally.
So like the day before this, like some of this information is given to the Guardian newspaper.
So I sort of knew what was coming.
And like, ironically, the police pulled me like immediately after reading the article.
I was at work at the jail on lunch.
I read this article.
I drive my car home.
And then the blue lights go on.
I'm like, nah, no way.
And then they go, your MOT is out of date, sir, which is like it's kind of like vehicle tax, right?
You need to get your car checked over.
Oh, oh, yeah, sorry.
Bye.
Got a license for that, mate.
So we later find out through the disclosure with the with the lawyers.
So March 9th, they published a state of hate report, which basically is a glow up report about us saying stuff like.
Well, and it rhymes state of hate.
You know, it rolls off the tongue.
Good name for a band, really.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, like they said, White Stag Athletic Club is an interesting case study because of its combination of fascist worldview with extreme emphasis on physical fitness, alongside, in its own words, a rejection of organized politics as a way to affect change.
Instead, it aims to produce hardened men and better fathers than they had themselves.
I'll so say Sarge, which is my pseudonym, who claims to be a father to one child himself, now up to two.
They write all this stuff and then say, oh, look, they box each other.
They're inherently violent.
You sound good.
I know.
I know.
Where do I join?
Can I join?
We had loads of interest afterwards.
Loads.
It really was really good publicity.
So we later find out through disclosure through the lawyers that on March the 21st, the police are downloading everything off the Telegram channel for the Mr. Bond archive.
So that was given to them on a plate by Hook Not Hate.
And I can't prove it, but you ain't going to convince me that the police, 12 days after the Hook Night Hate report, have gone through a thousand posts of the White Stag Athletic Club and found this one thing that was served up to them by these communist evildoers.
Yes.
So yeah, kind of lost track of the question.
Maybe you can get a license for the hate.
You know, they like to license things over there a lot.
Maybe, you know, I'm getting answer.
Sam, I can't believe it.
I'm so ashamed.
So you shared some pro-white rap music with admittedly edgy lyrics.
And of course, everybody, you know, this side of the Prime Meridian realizes that if you listen to black rap music, you know, that is extraordinarily violent and terroristic, and yet they're not getting rounded up.
The obvious double standard, what if the rules were reversed?
Yeah.
There's some somebody was telling me that now like rap music lyrics are inadmissible as evidence.
Like if California states that if you commit a crime or something and you have that on your cell phone or I don't know what way, but they cannot tie that in like the same way they would use like some kind of skinhead lyrics against us or something.
They don't even have to say in Minecraft, Sam.
They just rap.
Yeah, it's just rap.
It's not to be taken as real or a real threat or anything.
I'm going to shoot you, hunky, and give you a bit of hunky.
I was rapping, Officer.
It's a Black Man's Fed post.
Yeah, and I was just reading.
I hope everybody's on the Everyday Channel.
I was just reading some story about some black, we'll just say, murdered.
And when the cops had him, he started rapping.
Yeah, I shot him in the head.
Like, that's the attitude of these things.
Yeah, like in this country, five years, I've had to do a lot of study into rap music, which I didn't want to do.
But I've got a document that I've built, which is now 12,000 words long that details like violent rap lyrics, violent punk lyrics, violent national anthems.
It's everywhere in this.
But in this country in 2018, one of the commissioners for the Metropolitan Police was wanting to use the legislation that they got me under, which is Counterterrorism Act 2006, which is, I'll just read what they got for me.
It's a person commits an offense if he engages in conduct falling with a substation two.
And at the time he does so, intends an effect of his conduct to be a direct or indirect encouragement or other inducement to the commission preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism, or if he is reckless as to whether his conduct has that effect.
So even if you don't mean to, it can be done that way.
But yeah, they were trying, they wanted, they were kind of floating this idea five years ago to prosecute drill rappers under this legislation.
They didn't do it.
But now they've got the opportunity.
So like that's that's uh that's interesting to me.
They say, ah, Mit, is it because that is white blood?
You know what I mean?
Uh-huh.
So what you just, the text that you just read, that's the law that you're charged under, that there's, it's either you have an intent to do this or that your conduct is in the eyes of the law reckless and that it will have this effect.
Those are the conditions that must be met.
I understand.
Exactly.
Like the way they phrase it is really sneaky because they say for the purposes of this section, a publication is a terrorist publication in relation to conduct falling within subjects.
And two, if a matter containing it is likely to be understood by a reasonable person as a direct or indirect encouragement or other inducement to some or all of the persons who is or may become available as a result of that conduct to the preparation of acts of terrorism.
So like what that means is to a re would a reasonable person think that this could influence someone to an act of terrorism and it doesn't matter if no such terrorism hasn't ever taken place.
It's an interesting legal theory, I'd say.
I mean, it seems to me that reasonable people don't tend to engage in terrorism.
And so the idea is like, okay, well, a reasonable person might infer this.
And, you know, I think necessarily the idea is that the necessary implication would be that the goal would have to be to encourage people to act unreasonably.
And so I don't know what the reasonable person's inference or, you know, has go ahead.
And we know that hip-hop has been motivating and inspiring black youth to become gangsters and thugs and hood rats and gangbangers for decades.
And I'm not aware of any moonman motivated shootings aside from whoever, you know, oh my God.
And you know that they know that our people are overwhelmingly law-abiding, reasonable, intelligent people.
And these Negroes are violent and criminal and provoked by anything.
And I mean, you have nothing more, no further to go than look at in this area over the last week or two.
There's been nothing but Negro violence taking over the city.
They run the cops off.
You know what I mean?
There's areas that are just too dangerous to even go to.
It's ridiculous.
Do you know if the way that you're you say you're facing trial in a week, is it?
We begin on the 2nd of May.
Okay.
And do you know if they have to specify which theory of liability they're pursuing, whether they have to prove the intent or the recklessness, or can they just throw it out there and say, pick one?
Do you know what?
Do you get what I'm saying?
Yeah, for sure.
Like at the bail hearing, no, no, sorry, the plea hearing I had in February, they made the amendment to it because initially they felt it just under the first one that like I shared this and I was expecting someone to do a terrorist act because they listened to this rap music.
And then they added it to the reckless thing.
Like when the pigs first picked me up when they interrogated me, one of the questions was like, oh, so when you shared this, did you think it was reckless?
I was like, I'm not quite confident.
I've never even read this law.
That's cyber.
Yeah, I was driving and telegramming.
It was very reckless when I posted that.
Sorry, sorry.
Dad human.
Yeah, all of my intent is reckless.
Like the way we got to defend that is to say, like, look, we don't believe that a reasonable person would think that anybody is going to be inspired by this music to do terrorism.
And by the way, here's an acre of scholarly works.
I mean, it's all leftist stuff about rap music saying, look, it's not rap music causing the violence.
Rap music reflects the violence and the lives of these people, which I can sort of buy.
Like the drill rappers that we have over here, people do get in trouble for sharing that music because it is, you know, celebrating crime.
Is like going, oh well, this guy stabbed that guy and now he's dead.
So yes, let's do it, get on the song.
Get on the song and celebrate it.
But like, their line is is like look, they would have stabbed each other anyway because they're black gangbangers.
You know, like the rap music comes secondary to it.
It reflects their life rather than it being the other way around, and you can sort of say that would bond as well.
When he's talking about like, the issues of multiculturalism and the and Jewish issues and I I don't know if um I, I know that these things have probably all been taken down from youtube by now, but it'd be interesting if there was some way to get some um, some grasp of the number of times those songs have been played and then try to compare that to the number of crimes allegedly motivated thereby.
You know the idea.
There's Argent Beacon.
Argent Beacon is a website which has a lot of nationalist music on it.
Uh, each one of his tracks there has like about 15 000 plays, which isn't bad for some obscure nationalist archive, and that's a sliver of the overall plays, of course.
Right, I know that those things had many many, many thousands of views on youtube before they really got aggressive about trying to remove them.
And so like, the idea that that that you could have a reasonable expectation that sharing a Bond song was going to create um, some sort of like terrorist threat is sort of um, sort of preposterous.
You know, I I wonder if um uh, I know over here uh, it is.
It is more and more exceedingly rare for people to go to trial because there there is no expectation of um, of the merits of the case having anything to do with the outcome, and I and I wonder if you have any opinions about that, about the legal system in which you find yourself.
Well, it's not often that people uh walk out of these kind of cases.
Um the, the uh, the arresting officer actually got it wrong, by the way, like I shared in a picture uh, which said uh, the only man uh jailed for rap lyrics was a white man, free Mr Bond.
And then at the bottom of that, it had a link to the archive of Mr Bond's music.
And that's what they said.
The terrorist material is not even a live link, right?
Not even a live link to the channel.
Incredible, and you know how telegram works.
It's not like I share this from someone else.
So it's not like, unless you follow my page, you aren't going to see that link with my tag on it.
Um, but yeah, like with regard To the legal system here is just as anti-white as anywhere else.
You know, it's going to be tough because I'm openly a Christian and National Socialist.
I'm a Christian, National Socialist.
So we, if you remember the time before you had these views, you're Nazis.
And so a big part of my job is going to be on the stand and say, look, like, sure, you don't have to like what I think or what I say, but everything that I've done shows that I'm working for peace.
I'm not working for violence and terrorism.
Like, if you've got a brain in your head, you'll see that we are the best chance for reducing that.
Elephant in the room, Ash, is worst case scenario.
How much time are you facing?
And is this what we call a bench trial where the judge decides, or you got 12 or however many are on a jury over there?
I've got a jury trial.
I mean, worst case scenario is, I mean, it depends how bad the judge wants to make it because technically you could go for count one, which is the sharing of the bomb music that's up to 15 years.
Jesus.
And then I've got the count two, which is allegedly I had a copy of the white resistance manual, which I've never read on my computer in an encrypted NordLocker.
And the police say that they issued me with a document saying that if I didn't give them the password to my NordLocker, which I knew just had like white stag stuff in it, then I could face up to five years in prison.
So I was like, okay, well, I made you work for it.
I've not handed you over my password straight away because to hell with you.
Here's the password.
But they couldn't get into this one encrypted file.
So they had to use, quote, non-standard procedures.
Israeli technology.
Now that means MI5 and GCHQ got involved.
And MI5 and GCHQ have been heavily involved in this case already, harassing members, literally MI5 harassing people because they were associated with meat.
So with that count, I mean, that could be eight years as well.
It's unlikely that they'd go that hard.
But on the other hand, I've not gone guilty to it.
So we'll see.
We will see.
Can you are you able to provide any information about what the nature of the encryption that they defeated with these non-standard measures was?
Right.
Well, apparently, right, you can encrypt a folder, any folder you like, if you've got NordLocker on your computer.
You can right-click, encrypt.
I don't remember doing it.
I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible because you know how it is on when you download, when you're taking stuff off Telegram, you go like, okay, I'll stick that here.
And maybe, I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility.
I thought that this is like, you know, siege tier stuff.
And I'm an interested guy.
I read a lot.
So, okay, so maybe this is something I can read.
I'm not interested in, you know, doing it, but we are, as active club guys, and I've spoken to a lot of active guys around the world.
We're a de-radicalization, if anything.
That's what it is.
You're giving people, I'll echo Mr. Sol from when he was on.
You got to give something positive.
Otherwise, people can go down negative routes, right?
So with regard to the encryption, I don't know how it works.
The police weren't able to get it in.
Apparently, my lawyer says that the document is in some kind of zip folder.
And if you unzip it, then it'll take you to some encrypted HTML.
But the way this NordLocker works is if you are sent a link, say I could send you guys a link to this NordLocker file, you click it, it'll save a copy on your computer.
And then if I revoke the password that I've given you, you no longer have access.
So that's like the state has really been dragging its heels about giving over this data so we can have a forensic specialist look at it.
But they said, oh, we don't have any metadata for it.
Oh, yeah, we don't have any information to give you.
And then the last data they gave was corrupted.
So they're kind of dragging it out, hoping to get to trial.
And then the judge says, okay, let's roll on without your expert opinion.
Yeah, they should have to disclose whatever their methods are to your side so that you can know what they see so that you see what they see.
And the other thing is if you had hardcore gay pornography, that'd be perfectly okay, you know, for them.
But you have this type of material, so somehow that's a problem.
Yeah, like, I mean, it's a dumb book.
I mean, it says like, well, you know, we need to start a race war.
And how you're going to do that is you're going to put on a ghillie suit and then sniper random brown people and then blame it on other random brown people.
So they go to war with each other.
Like, come on, man.
Why would you go through the effort?
They do this all the time.
Sit back and enjoy the show.
It's really, this is like just stuff that when my lawyer showed it to me, I was just like, what?
I've never read this.
What do you see?
Right.
Ash, not to be melodramatic here, but it does strike me that, I mean, you're going to be, you're going to have this trial in about 10 days and, you know, go a couple days, I presume.
And then they might lock you up there and then someone else will have to give me the okay to release this or not.
Or you could be a free man.
Those are the stakes right now.
And what was your psychology?
You know, we talked about you coming on the show probably a year ago when you first got picked up and you held off until now, but it's really coming down to the wire.
Is that the case that this is going to be a voice from a man who's now locked up in the new 1984 gulag or you're scot-free?
Well, I certainly hope that I'm scot-free.
I'm going to go in there.
It's going to come down a lot to how I am on the stand.
That's a nerve-wracking prospect.
I'm not going to lie.
I mean, there's definite moments where your body can physically shake.
You can go through all kinds of mental torment in the run-up to this kind of thing.
But we have God on our side.
And whether I go to jail, God's still with us.
If I could clarify, I'm sorry to jump in.
So the one charge that you face is for distributing a link to the Mon channel.
The other is for the mere possession of the document, if I understand it.
Possession of material that could be of use to a terrorist, yes.
Okay.
And is there, you're describing a situation in which I know that the legal term over here is discovery.
They have to tell you, you know, evidence, they have to give you all the information relevant to your evidence against you.
They haven't, it sounds to me that they have not provided you with the discovery obligations associated with the document.
Is there any potential for that charge to get dropped before the trial starts?
What they can do is if we get to the trial, my legal team can say, look, we've not had enough time to get a digital expert to have a look at this.
They could adjourn it.
Or it's entirely up to the judge because it's a terrorism case.
You get off to get the top judges in the land, and basically they can do what they want.
And he could just say, We're pressing on regardless.
Now, is um, I've finished.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
No, that was it.
So, so you mentioned it's a terrorism case.
And I wonder if the charges that you are facing in a court that's designated for that purpose, and is it being treated as like a national security matter that's subject to different standards of courtroom procedure?
Or, or is it or is it at least on paper a straightforward criminal case subject to all the same rules?
Yeah, it is in is at the Crown Court, which uh, luckily they moved it from London up to the Sheffield Crown Court, uh, which is Yorkshire, which is closer to where I live.
So, um, that's good in terms of jury selection.
Um, but yeah, I mean, in theory, it's not, we don't have quite the same like cut and dried kind of legal practice that you guys do over there.
Uh, so, like, for example, if we were to set a legal precedent, which I found out doing all this kind of stuff, as far as you guys, it's like judge says that, and then that's legal precedent.
In this country, you have to be convicted and then win an appeal, and then you get legal precedent.
So, but yeah, I mean, turns to your question, yeah, it should follow the same rules as a regular case, but the judges have a lot of um sway when you get to judges of this uh level because you know you have to be represented by king's counsels, which are top barristers in the land, all that kind of crazy stuff.
I wanted to say for the audience's benefit that we're looking at Ash on screen right now.
He looks like he's in good shape, he's been smiling and in good spirits.
You've represented yourself that way in communications with me for a long time now.
So, you're not, I don't think you're doing an act here, putting on a brave face.
I think that you are actually brave and handling this with an absolutely awesome amount of stoicism and bravery, frankly.
But I'm going to give you an opening here to give a little bit of a more human, maybe a little bit more vulnerable side, big guy, on the personal toll of all this.
And do you have regrets or devil may care?
I did the right thing.
Who cares about that stuff?
A little bit of that, please.
You go through immense levels of self-doubt.
I mean, when they busted me for the breach of bail conditions and they keep you at like half a cup of porridge in a police cell, and then they drag you before a magistrate, and then he says, Well, what would be a reasonable amount of money for you to put down as bond?
And you go like, I don't know, a thousand pounds?
I don't know, what's what?
And he goes, Okay, bail said at 5,000 click, which luckily we had just, but we didn't get it processed in time.
So, they shipped me off to a prison on the other side of the country.
Um, technically, because I'm an ex-prison officer and they can't keep me, they couldn't send me to my old jail, but you could send me to another one.
But they go, No, no, no, let's get rid of him to the other side of the country.
It's like, well, I could be here for quite some time.
Um, and you're in on a wing with paedophiles and rapists.
This is going to be fun.
Uh, yeah, yeah, that night in the cell, I prayed a lot, and Jesus held my hand, and he showed me what a poor servant I've been.
Um, I professed Christianity for a good few years now, as a fairly late convert, but uh, he uh he has shown me the depth of his grace.
And for that, I'm actually grateful for the trouble that has been put upon us, has brought us closer to Christ.
Now, like it does hit you.
I will not say that it's like it's a walk in the park because it sure as hell isn't.
You get like a lot of weight on you.
It's a lot of weight.
And I've lost all my fan or all my blood relatives over it.
None of them want to know.
They knew it was right-wing.
They didn't know I was some kind of terrorist, you know.
So that's how that goes.
But no, it's the cycle of like, we are so back and it's so over is real and rapid.
And some days you're fighting full of energy and you still got to go to job, go and do your job and make bread for your family.
Yeah.
And some days it's almost unbearable.
And without my Lord and Savior, it probably would be unbearable.
And without the support of my brothers here, then it would not be possible.
And so I just want to salute those boys.
Keep going, lads.
We're going to win.
Well, if you got Christ in your heart, then you have joy and you can take on anything.
I certainly hope so.
Yeah, that's a truly humbling thing because I thought I was trying to live by Christ before.
And you're a stone on a beach, right?
And he's shaping you.
You're not ever going to be the perfect stone, but you're being shaped by his waves of his will.
And that's ultimately how I see it.
He's shaping all of us for something according to his plan, which we can't know.
I don't believe that he wants us to be exterminated in our own lands.
I don't think he wants us to be displaced.
And I don't think he wants white people to become extinct.
Definitely not.
So we have to have to try and fight this stuff, fight this evil in the name of good, in the name of truth.
Ash, when I forwarded some of your background information to Chris to entice him to come on, he said, holy cow, sometimes we forget how good we have it over here or vice versa, how bad it is over there.
Do you have the right to a Fifth Amendment to not incriminate yourself on the stand?
Or do you, if they ask you a question, you have to answer it up there?
On the stand, it's basically, I do have to answer it, but it's not like I'm not willing to answer that question.
I'm going to fight him with every fiber of my being.
And I mean that with absolute certainty.
Right.
So I'm not going to be combative with this prosecution lawyer.
I'm going to try and be smart.
I'm going to address the jury and not her because it's them, my other citizens of this country who have to pass ultimate judgment.
So I'm not going to, they've not really brought that strong a case.
If I was the cops and I was like after this kind of like, oh my God, it's a neo-Nazi, white supremacist, hateful guy, gang leader, and they got what they got, I mean, I wouldn't be happy.
I mean, you'd be looking for like, you know, plans of destruction and all this kind of stuff, but that's not the case.
They haven't got anything where I've said hateful, violent stuff towards anybody because that's not what we do.
To be clear, Ash did make a transatlantic threat against me just before he went to tape.
He said he was going to send me some Mr. Bond tunes.
So, you know, and I just out of curiosity here, big guy, not to get too into the weeds on the legal stuff, but how big is the jury?
And do they have to be unanimous to convict?
It's 12 men and women and non-gender specific, I guess, these days.
So they need 12 to convict.
If they don't have 12, after two and a half hours, the judge can direct them to take a majority, which is 10.
So really, I've got to convince three.
So if after two and a half, that's interesting.
That's an interesting distinction from the legal system here.
So you have 12 jurors.
And with, and they have to either come to a unanimous verdict within two and a half hours, or the judge can say, all right, well, you know, knock off two of you.
And if 10 of you agree, then he goes in.
Yep.
That is an interesting thing.
It's a crazy country.
It was coach had asked about the testifying.
It just is a, and I, and I would get into the weeds if you don't mind about legalistic subject.
A little more, Chris.
Yeah, there's the human element, and then there's, you know, for the majority of our audience, British jurisprudence is not particularly relevant, but it is damn interesting.
So you know, I am, you, I understand that because there's an intent element to the offense against you, it's very important for the purposes of your defense that you testify, but you, you don't have to get on the stand, right?
When you get on the stand, you have to answer the questions that you're asked, right?
And I understand if it might not be appropriate to discuss, but if it is, have there been plea officers, authors, did you have an opportunity to plea this out and maybe avoid some level of the danger that you face?
And what was your response to that, if you don't mind disclosing it?
No, that's fine.
You don't get plea offers.
What you get is the opportunity to put in an early guilty verdict, which shaves a percentage off your sentence.
You just go, yeah, okay, I fess up to wreck.
It was reckless of me.
And then you can hit me with a lower sentence.
Did they get specifics on how many years that would be if you caught it?
It depends on the sentencing.
They've got like sentencing guidelines on how serious the court thinks the circumstances are.
I mean, like, if you are going, yep, here's a bond-making manual and I want you to use it, you're top line.
Recklessness is the lower end of it.
If they convict on that, then it's probably two to four.
And then whatever they slap on me for a document I've not read.
The manual.
I don't remember.
And like, as far as I know, like it was, it could have been put there maliciously.
You said that when they initially charged you, they brought it with the theory of specific intent that they were saying that that was what you were intending to cause.
And then it seemed to me that you said that they sort of amended that, that they said, well, his conduct was reckless.
And that's the theory of liability that they intend to pursue at trial.
Is that the case?
And if so, it would seem that there would be very limited utility to you offering that guilty plea then, right?
Because the idea behind, if I understand you correctly, the idea behind pleading guilty would be to say, well, I'm pleading guilty to the reckless conduct in order to avoid potential liability for the specific intent, which is more serious.
But it seems to me that they're pursuing a theory of liability of recklessness.
Is that accurate?
Yeah, I would say like when the police first picked me up, that was the line they were going down.
So I think it was most likely an error in the initial paperwork by the Crown Prosecution Service, who prosecute the case against me, that they initially put it down for the top line one, which would have actually been easier to defend because you can just go like, well, look at my entire Telegram channel's history.
It's all like, you know, motivational stuff and workout videos.
What are you talking about?
You know, and that's still going to be the line of defense for us.
But they would have had a harder time.
But I think the reckless one is what they're going to try.
That's the real focus of the rap music stuff.
But we've got a rap music expert who's a black guy coming to testify on our side.
Like, you know, black and white unite and fight.
The handshake meme, whatever it takes, brother.
No judgment here.
Cuck, cock, cuck.
Excuse me.
Here's the thing, though.
I mean, I think from, but we have quite a lot of difficulty finding one because they know that it's potentially career ending to be seen defending a neo-Nazi.
Sure.
I hate that term.
It's terrible.
Nobody should use that in reference.
I have to deliver a trigger word.
Yeah, it's complete fake.
But this guy, I think, is smart because he knows that if there is the practical precedent, if not a legal precedent, because they don't need one for prosecutions, if they can put a neo-Nazi white supremac behind bars for terrorism using rap music, black people are going to get hit with it as well if they step out of line too much.
Last time I checked in the 1990s, yeah, supporting the courts and police officers, et cetera, was not big in the hip-hop community.
I was listening to a little bit of genius jizza today.
Full candor.
Liquid swords, great album.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Ash, you want to play two and take a quick break here?
I got one more question for you, but I know, hey, this may be the last time we talked to you for a long time, brother.
Sorry.
Go ahead with a question.
What is your favorite childhood memory, my friend?
Favorite child of memory.
I guess I was 15 years old and it was the Euro 96 World Cup.
I don't really keep up with football anymore, but like when you're a teenager, it's big.
Sure.
And it was a baking hot summer day.
And we were outside playing footy and we had like a little radio playing the game between England and Holland.
And we just thought, we're just going to skip this one because Holland are going to spank us.
And they ended up winning 4-1.
Alan Shearer scored two.
And, you know, like, you've got a bunch of testosterone pump lads, like stopping the football gamers, running around, screaming and jumping on each other.
It was great times.
And I guess that's, I'm recapturing that memory through White Nationalist Athletics.
There you go.
Whatever it takes, channeling into something more productive and more healthy.
Ash, you know, honored to know you.
Happy to have you on Full House.
God bless, brother.
You're coming back in the second half.
We're not saying goodbye here unless MI5 cuts your wire over the break.
But you got a window behind you.
I'm like, looking there.
It's not going to be like, you know.
This is great.
At least like a Tommy with a Billy Club at the window.
Anyway, take, yeah, take us.
Go back to your Abiza days.
You're in the DJ booth now, DJ Ash.
DJ Ash can have at it, brother.
What are we going to listen to?
We're gonna listen to a track by a bank called Tesseracter from Britain, and it's called Survival.
All right, enjoy, fam.
We'll be right back.
Did you know tomorrow will I disappear?
Will I disappear until I can't feel the light?
Will I disappear with the memory of this arm?
Will I disappear until I come through the light?
Ten years of hope have passed.
You felt alone and kept your life to live in different view.
And people say that life has just begun.
You wait to pay for the weight.
Alone to send the sun.
So it's ruminous of love.
And people say that life has just begun.
I feel dead inside the stars.
Will I disappear?
The vision of tomorrow.
Until I come through the light to starve.
When I get that feeling, I've been able to go.
Ten years of sorrow, there's no pleasure in the suns.
Could've cut in a lot of steel.
The secrets of the past won't come at dawn.
Seasons of change at last.
All of them drive faithfully until the day you dawn.
And people say the journey's just been gone to me.
I feel dead inside the stars.
This is not tomorrow.
When I fall to stars, when I get that feeling, I've been able to stars.
When I disappear, dance and have tomorrow.
Oh, where I fall to stars.
And welcome back to Full House.
Episode 157, fourth anniversary.
We're calling it a super show, even if we don't have a dozen guys or more on, like we did on a couple streams on our past anniversaries.
Another thought crime and punishment episode, ladies and gentlemen.
We had one before.
We can't name it that.
I'm thinking we might actually listen to Rule Britannia with the boys on the way home from sports today, Ash.
And maybe this one will be the new rules of Britannia.
We'll see where that goes.
But we're honored not just to have Ash with us on the eve, more or less, of a major life milestone for him, but also to have Chris Cantwell with us.
Again, when Chris came on a month or two ago, we said the door is always open.
He said he was going to walk through that door.
And here he is.
Chris, you're welcome anytime.
Before we move forward, and of course, I hope you enjoyed Tesserak there.
Want to do new white life here?
Ash got his own new white life sort of crypto announcement three four months ago, and he said it was a morale boost.
So to Jayhawk, I want Jayhawk said, ah, these guys are great.
They send pictures of their pre-existing children, for lack of a better term, with the new white life.
And he says, well, coach, the boy finally turned up.
Some minor complications.
Cord wrapped around his neck thrice, delivered at home.
And he says, with these hands, just like Tom Sewell's dad and Tom Sewell himself.
That's the new meme.
You deliver your own baby.
You get to say with these hands for the rest of your life and his or hers.
And he says he is a fan of the boob and everything checks out.
And not to start a shitstorm, we chose no circumcision.
I don't think he's going to start a shitstorm by not choosing to go with the slicer.
Hail the folk, strength and honor, and a beautiful picture of his baby girl with her new baby brother.
Absolutely angelic smile.
Jayhawk and Mrs. Jayhawk, congratulations.
And to our good pal, I'll just say V. He's a little sensitive about OPSEC and anonymity for obvious reasons.
But he and his wife, I didn't even know that they were pregnant.
He just dropped a pic in the chat the other day and said, say hello to new baby boy.
Hail our folk.
And baby boy was angry.
He was fresh out.
And I'm guessing that was a home birth too, because I think I saw some like kitchen tiling in the background or whatever.
But V, way to go.
I think, I think that's five or six.
I lose count, all you feckin' fellas and ladies out there.
Way to go.
Let's see.
We had one hanging chad from the first half.
We're not going to dwell on Ash's misfortune or possible.
All right.
Here's a question for you, Ash.
When do you get acquitted?
What are you and your wife and girls going to go do?
Oh, man.
I think we're probably going to go to Poland.
We'll go to Poland, see her family.
All right.
Her grandmother and great-grandmother to kids is into her 90s.
She's a great lady.
She's not met the youngest daughter yet, so we'd like to make that connection.
And Poland's a wonderful country.
They got big problems with the global empire that your country, country, country is putting on us.
They're good people.
There's a real strong nationalist culture there.
And it genuinely is beautiful.
They've got a lot of the old communist architecture still, but the forests are beautiful.
The lakes are beautiful.
Mountains are great.
That's my amen.
It's my only like definitive ethnic component, 25% through my mom's mother.
And I've never been to Poland, want to go.
I do have a buddy who's there right now, and he says that the Ukrainian refugees are starting to wear out their welcome.
They cause a lot of problems.
Yeah.
Put them to the front of the line for welfare and everything else.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're doing better in Poland than the Polish are, which is surely backwards.
Yes.
You got, okay, you're a neighboring country, the refugees, I get it.
But the, well, you can blame BlackRock or you can blame Anthony Blinken and Victoria Newland and the never-ended list of people with, but they have exactly the same problem in Poland, but the governing party is entirely wedded to the American empire.
Yep.
So roles.
Amen.
Well, not amen, yeah.
Sad state of affairs.
No, no, yeah.
The other thing is, your Polish in-laws have not disowned you.
However, your own blood relations in England are not exactly a fan of your thing.
I'm familiar.
Yeah.
Yep.
I'm familiar with the phenomenon.
We got Chris on here.
Again, I do, you know, he's a unique talent.
I want to pick his brain, frankly.
I wrote and posted on the Full House site a little, we're going to do a quick Seaville update here.
And I also want to ask Chris if he can keep it concise a little bit about his appeal that was denied.
But long story short, you know, the past week, I don't know when it was, late last week that it came out that guys were starting to get arrested from other states, extradited to Virginia, ostensibly just for having a torch in their hands, violating this Virginia statute against burning something with the intent to intimidate or make somebody else feel.
It's all there in the article.
It's up at the top of full-house.com.
But the TLDR, if you don't go to the site or you're not big on reading, I know it was like 1,200 words, is that there is the, I don't want to give false comfort to any of the brave men and women who were there and marched and didn't assault anybody or maybe didn't even say anything.
They just held a flame, which is not remotely the same as burning a cross in your black neighbor's front yard.
If you're not doxed, knock on wood, you're probably okay for now.
If you didn't hold a torch, you're almost certainly okay for now.
And even if you held a torch and you got doxxed, a lot of those guys have not been arrested yet, even the ones who are prominently known not exactly living underground.
Now, Chris, of course, didn't have a torch in his hand.
Anyway, read the article.
There's only been three arrests so far that we know of.
And I think that still holds up.
There's another good article on it on VDARE that takes more of the political angle.
I wrote this mainly for the people who may be worried that they're going to get a knock on the door at 3 a.m. for holding a torch.
So there's an element of, I suspect, that Antifa and the left want to strike fear into the men and women who were there, even if they're not likely to get rounded up.
It could be that they're going for guys who maybe were a little bit vigorous in their protesting that night, or they were just low-hanging fruit because they were really well known and they wanted them anyway.
Chris, does that more or less jive with your understanding?
And if not, please have at it.
Well, my understanding is that the people that they have gone after are not the most well-known people who were there, right?
Not at all.
Not at all.
If they wanted to, if they were going after names, you know, don't name them, but you can say that half of those are names that we could easily come up with that were prominently featured with torches in their hands.
And so I do think that there's a strategic element to what they're doing, beginning with the fact that the grand jury information was leaked to Molly Conger, right?
I mean, you know, this is a Soros prosecutor who's literally going to the craziest lesbian Antifa that he can find to go and like leak grand jury information to.
So there, and I would say that if you were in the law enforcement business.
Real quick, Chris, now we don't know, just, I mean, just to play devil's advocate, we don't know that they leaked it to her because those arrests were public in the Virginia thing, but it's certainly reasonable to say somebody like nudged her and say, hey, you know, this, you should really write this up because that was public information that they got arrested under that statute.
But how would you find it without looking for it?
Well, right.
The way the Albemarle court system works is you can look up a case number, you can look up a name, you know, but you don't, you don't just, there's not like, hey, here's, here's the Nazis.
There's no Nazi section on the Albemarle County court site.
So somebody informed her of this and she and what she purported to know was that, you know, that many indictments were coming.
Right.
And so that is that is certainly not, that is something that was subsequently published in a press release by, you know, this English guy.
So it seems to me that this is a coordinated effort between the civil lawyers, the prosecutor, and the, and the, you know, the Democrat Party's militia, Antifa.
And so that's what it, that's what it appears to me to be.
You know, during the civil trial, we basically were like, we tried to use in part of our defense that the event that we were doing was legal.
I mean, you know, we told the cops that we were going to UVA and doing this thing.
And the civil lawyers kept on saying that we violated this precise statute that these guys are now being charged under.
And they were sort of insistent that the potential still existed for people to be prosecuted.
And so it seems to me that the civil lawyers were well aware of this, that this is part of a coordinated lawfare strategy and that this is just the next step in a process that will only end when we control the government and can force them to stop.
That's the only thing that will ever stop it.
Yeah.
And one of the V-DAR article made the speculation that we really thought that maybe they would put this in the rearview mirror with the civil trial and the significant egg that they got on their face through that whole process.
And lo and behold, no, they are going back to that old watering hole to keep digging it up and dredging it up.
Not perhaps a coincidence as we head into presidential primary season and remember that Joe Biden announced his candidacy by citing Charlottesville in particular.
And just remember that that was a ragtag group of people, maybe four digits in total at the highest number on Saturday that absolutely dominated global news for many months and then stretching into years.
And here we are now almost six years later and they're still digging it up.
So sort of to Ash's activism and points there, we were talking during the break and I can see some of the audience is going to hear this and be like, oh, yeah, sure, there's the de-radicalizers, but we're not lying when we say that we are against violence and counseling young men who might be angry or unstable enough to possibly get agitated enough to do that.
We've done that explicitly on this show.
Tom Sewell said, you have to give somebody positive to feed off.
Ash said, yeah, come work out with us.
You're going to feel like a million bucks.
You're not going to feel like doing XYZ.
And if the system were either smart enough or sincere enough in their desire to stamp out violent extremism, and here's the hairy part, they would be talking to us.
Everybody here is like, oh, all right, yeah, I'm going to talk to the feds about your white nationalist activities.
No, but the point remains.
Ash or Chris, go ahead and expand on that.
Well, they don't want us to exist.
I mean, the choice to us is you accept your phasing out or we'll send you to prison.
That's the choice they've offered us.
Yeah.
I think it's both.
You can do both.
You can go to prison and get exterminated.
They find the violence advantageous for their narratives.
And so they're not only trying to prevent it, they're actively promoting it, right?
You know, I'm, you know, I went to prison for three years for telling some guy to F off when he was running around trying to literally have the entire purpose of his political activity was to encourage mass shootings, right?
And I'm like, stop doing that in my comments section, scumbag.
You're going to get us all screwed.
And for that, I went to prison for trying to prevent that.
So, I mean, it's fairly straightforward, you know, what it is that they're, what it is that they're attempting to do.
It's advantageous for their political purposes.
Yeah, I've said this to the men that are with me, and I'll say it again: that we, people who are active in nationalism, it's not enough that you're going to be better than your enemies.
I don't mean like better that we're going to beat them physically.
I mean, better morally.
But we also have to be better than everybody else within nationalism who sees us doing public stuff.
It's more important to be better than our friends.
And we've got to be that living example of our people and to our people.
And that's the essence of the active club lifestyle.
And I'm in agreement with many of the active clubs that I've spoken to around the world on that point.
Because listen, if you're out there right now, right, and you're listening to this show and you're alienated by society and isolated and you're feeling alone and you're hated for your race, you're like, yeah, we get it.
We get it, man.
But don't do the thing that they want you to do.
Don't be their porn, man.
Don't be what they want you to be.
What they hate is what Coach and Sam have been talking about for years.
What they hate is white fathers being righteous because that is terrifying to them.
I mean, they wouldn't be doing this stuff to me if I was just some crazy lunatic.
If they didn't think that I was dangerous to them spiritually and ideologically, then they wouldn't be doing it right now.
So like, get out there, find your mates, and get up a mountain with a burger on your back with 20 kilo minimum and do some push-ups.
Just take the control of your life to do one push-up.
If that's all you can do, that's the start, man.
It's not about going, right, okay, I'm going to go and like do a Brenton Tarrant.
What did Brenton Tarrant do?
Really?
He whacked like innocent people, got everyone in New Zealand's guns taken off them, and then they go railroaded, railroaded.
Like, it don't work.
It doesn't work that way.
You've got to think like political jujitsu.
That's how the left think of it is use their strength against you to further your aims.
The reaction that you give them, that's what they want, man.
Your reaction is the point of the action.
And that's leftist doctrine.
And I know it because I used to run in those circles.
That's why they provoke you with a tranny reading to your kids.
They want someone to go nuts.
Don't go nuts.
If we murdered a million non-whites, that would not change the ratio in this world.
Isolate the first part of that sentence.
That's not what we need.
What we need is to be great ourselves, you know, and that will enable us to survive and to be excellent and to be the best we can be.
Yeah.
And go ahead, Ash.
Go on.
Okay.
Yeah, just to, just to, just to echo that, the point from a little bit further.
Yeah, you're absolutely right that if they actually cared about ending white nationalist terrorism, they wouldn't be isolating us and alienating us.
And what they would do, like they do in my country, they just had a review into the Prevent program, which is supposed to be the de-radicalization thing through the government that's in the schools and through the police.
They would, they already engage with Muslim groups and they already know that some of those Muslim groups actively fund terrorism with the money they get from our government.
They don't engage with any nationalist groups.
I will talk to a police commissioner, not anyone lower.
I'm not talking to a beat cop and that's a no-comment interview because they're just looking for something to convict me with again, right?
But I'm a community leader.
I'll talk to you.
I'll tell you that like we've got a vetting process to keep out undesirables.
We're trying to build an example for young white youth who are sick of what this disgusting system is doing to us.
We're providing a vehicle for them to not do the thing if you're serious, if you're actually serious about ending this stuff, which we are.
That's right.
Yep.
And I was just going to give a little practical information to guys out there who maybe are not already tribed up with other dissidents.
There's an absolute explosion, metaphorically speaking, of active clubs and groups left and right.
I can't keep track of it anymore.
I'm like, who are these guys?
Who are these guys?
White Lives Matter chapters all over the country.
That is wonderful for a number of reasons.
Our people are getting it.
They're getting involved.
IRL.
It's wonderful for a more cynical reason, which is that it gives the enemy, particularly Antifa and the doxers, but maybe the Eye of Sauron to, you know, more things to worry about, which is not actual violence, but just dissident activity.
However, you have to be careful if you're listening to this and you haven't joined up to one.
You want to use common sense.
A lot of these groups might be well, and I'm not trying to be tut-tutting, you know, grandpa advice here, but a lot of these groups will be new and have terrible vetting standards or OPSEC issues.
If your spidey sense tingles, if they want you to dox yourself right off the bat, I'd say that's a bad sign.
If there are guys flagrantly Fed posting without any sort of admin moderation, that's a bad sign.
I talked to a young guy the other day when he was on his ideological journey from basically normie to conservative to national socialist.
He first signed up with a local militia and he said, there was an Orthodox Jewish woman who was like the local leader of this militia.
And even then, he wasn't completely red-pilled on the JQ, but he was like, there's something wrong.
Like, you know, she was always gone on Friday nights, et cetera.
If it stinks to you even a little bit, please do be careful.
At the same time, don't be a coward and think that everybody is a fed or a bad actor.
Use common sense.
And if you're not savvy about these things, if you haven't done this before, you got to trust your gut and be a little bit skeptical going in just to keep your ass safe.
You don't want to get rolled up on BS, number one, and you don't want to get doxxed for a group that's just not being careful about the way that it operates.
Word to the wise.
Yep.
All right.
Let us shake it out a little bit and transition.
No surprise.
I got a lot of feedback.
Everybody was like, oh, no, Coach, you forgot about diapers and wipes, all these different things, the essential items that no father or man can go without.
I said, of course, there's some obvious ones.
You know, everybody's going to do diapers.
I'm looking for a little bit more creative.
Someone could have too many diapers.
Okay.
Well, young father, you know, he's got the strategic stash for future children.
I appreciate that.
I'll go first.
I'm filibustering for the slow thinkers and Ash and Chris Cantwell.
It can't possibly come up with something like that.
Anyway, Sharpies.
I got to abuse the talent and the guests a little bit.
You know, it's like Wayne's when he has the advertisers.
Anyway, I have never looked around my house and said, ah, there's just too many Sharpies here.
I got Sharpies there.
I got Sharpies in the car.
I got Sharpies in the greenhouse.
I got Sharpies down in the shed.
I got Sharpies in my backpack.
Those things are useful in so many ways.
Labeling my little seed pots down in the greenhouse, writing things, etc.
I'll stop there.
You guys get the picture, but Sharpies are priceless and you can never have too many of them.
Rolo, putting you on the spot.
You had a good one with peanut butter last week.
Yeah, last week it was zip ties, cinder blocks, peanut butter, and plastic bags.
Yeah, you can't, you're not, you're just allowed to chill there.
What are you going to say?
Cat food, goat food.
No, I was waiting for you to finish.
I didn't want to.
Sorry.
Go ahead, Rolo.
Is this radio?
You just hop right in, please.
I'm big on what the preppers would call survivalist items.
I'm big on having water or any kind of high caloric foods.
All right.
Got it.
A whole pantry full of that.
Those are things that I think you can't have too much of, like non-perishable food, like rice, dried beans, things, even like cans of beans or cans of soup.
Those are things that I say you can't have too much of.
As lacking in creativity as it is still wise, got to ask about your water storage.
And you know that those cans, they sort of leach the big health guy, the BPA in there, and those canned goods.
Not really good for you.
Are you cycling inventory?
Well, I mean, obviously in the plastic, but also the canned goods.
Aluminum cans.
No, they're aluminum.
Yeah.
Look into it, Mr. Health Nut.
Yeah, I think you need.
Imagine your power levels still cans.
I don't know.
I think they've got a lining to them.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, yeah, that's not something I've heard of.
I guess I will look into it.
I'll take your word for it, but I will look into it to see because there's got to be a point in which that starts to seep in.
It can't be like 30 days after it's manufactured.
But generally, what I do is I go through it every now and then.
I ate all the soup that I was storing and they just replenished it with more fresh cans.
See, I always feel like, no, that's the strategic reserve.
And I try to just eat everything that is perishable and the cans just end up sitting there forever.
But I don't think it will last forever.
Certain things.
No, canned fruit will last a real long time because it's basically just sugar.
And that, that is, that's like double preservative.
But anything with meat or something like that, it's fair game.
Yeah.
Our preppers out there.
Yeah.
Our canners are going to say just can your own damn food into those nice glass mason jars.
Yeah, I got, I have, I make my own applesauce.
I can pears.
All right.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I went to you first, Rolo.
That was my go-to.
You can't have too much.
Get a good food supply.
All right.
Don't just have this week's meal in your fridge.
Like have something in case of a rainy day.
Just like last week with the natural peanut butter.
You're right and you're kind of wrong.
All right.
Sam, what do you got?
Beat cinder blocks.
Well, alcohol, I would say.
If you got it now, we have a long time store of fermented alcohol from my wife's father.
I'm sure you will recall the story I told, the sad story I told of that he died making it, you know, basically.
But we have this peach schnapps, which is about 150 proof.
And, you know, come the apocalypse, that's going to be worth its weight in gold, you know, when people need a little recreation and some hooch, you know.
So I would say you got to have some of that in store and you can't have enough.
You know, every time I go to the liquor store, Sam, you know, I'm like, here I am.
I'm building up my security alcohol reserve and yet it, you know, mysteriously, you know, ends up getting consumed.
I don't know, you know, you get if you got a serious supply of hooch, yeah, maybe like get the stuff you really don't like, you know, get peppermint schnapps.
And that's bad tequila.
This was peach schnapps.
And I guess I could repeat the story shortly, which was he's my father-in-law was somebody who lived deep in the woods by himself and he was a curmudgeon and all that type of thing.
But he made his own peach schnapps.
And the thing is, you know, there's a reason that distilling spirits is illegal because it's also dangerous.
And he got burned because he was distilling it on the stove and then it exploded and he sustained burns on his body.
And the thing is, when you get third-degree burns over a certain percentage of your body, it causes this thing called a curling ulcer, which your intestines shut down.
And he was also the type of person who was, he didn't trust doctors and all that type of thing.
And so he neglected going to the doctors and things like that.
And finally, after 10 days, he didn't go number two, you know.
And he moonshine is the other problem.
Yeah.
It's a serious thing because you have to also measure the amount of methanol you're making in there, which is, you know, you hear of people going blind from making their own moonshine stuff like that.
Well, anyways, he after 10 days, he didn't go number two.
And he went and finally, a family friend made him go to the doctor, but it was too late, you know, and he died from it.
So, but we have bottles and bottles of this peach schnapps, which is extraordinarily smooth, but it's 150 proof.
You take one or two.
Yeah, you take one or two shots of this and you will be effed up.
I mean, in 10, 15 minutes, you'll be effed up.
But yeah, so, but, but anyways, that's a real wealth to have all that because come the day of the apocalypse, you know, that that stuff will be worth a lot.
Absolutely.
All right.
Yeah.
You're a homemade hoop.
All right.
Let's go over to Christopher Cantwell there.
Joking during the break, you can never have too much.
I can't even repeat whatever vape pods and systems you're on in the mods, but have at it, Chris.
All seriousness.
Oh, you're muted, buddy.
You're muted, I think.
Sorry about that.
So at present, I have trouble imagining anything that a man could not have too much of because I happen to live in a small room that's in like a boarding house for guys who just got out of prison.
And so like space is at a serious premium.
And I'm like, what could I not have too much of?
And I guess the best thing that I could come up with is cliff bars because I really like those.
And that sort of, I guess, feeds into to some extent what guys have been saying about the food items or whatever.
And I do like my cliff bars.
That and the vape coils because I am a hopeless nicotine junkie, like an idiot.
I didn't smoke a cigarette for three years.
I had no access to nicotine for three years.
I get out and I'm like, you know what I really need is a pack of newborns.
That'd be a great idea.
Oh, you were so close.
Yeah.
You were home free.
Do you remember making that decision?
You're like, I earn this.
Like, this will be fun.
Oh, it was, it was, it was a certainty that I knew before I walked out the door.
I mean, I was like, I was like, oh, yeah, I can't wait to feel nicotine again.
This is going to be the greatest thing that ever happened to me.
I was so looking forward to it.
And it was shocking to me that like, you know, I used to be of the, I used to be under the impression that if you went some period of time without it, that, you know, this, this craving would go away.
And I'm like, three years later, it hasn't.
I'm like, this is completely nuts, you know?
And so I immediately, as soon as like, what, when they sent me to the halfway house, I actually missed my plane and I had to sit there because like TSA hemmed me up.
And so I'm like, I had to sit in the airport overnight.
And I was like, as soon as I realized I missed the plane, I'm like, I'm getting this pack of smokes.
And then, and I wasn't allowed to have them at the halfway house.
I wasn't allowed to have like, or the vape.
And so when they would let me to go out for like a walk or something, I was like buying a pack of cigarettes every time I left the place.
And then as soon as I was released from the halfway house, I got my vape and so, you know, vape, vape, vape supplies and cliff bars.
Were cigarettes still contraband in the clink and would guys sneak them or was that just basically impossible when you were in?
Where I was in the communications management unit, you know, it was a, it's a very high security unit.
So there's no contraband there.
But all throughout the federal prison system, you can get, you can get, I mean, you could be high on fentanyl all day.
You guys are doing steroids and shit.
Oh, sorry.
And so you could get anything in the broader federal prison system.
It's it's a pharmacy.
But in the communications management unit, I mean, they've got to keep it to a point where you can't get a note to another prisoner outside of the unit.
And so that level of security, you can't get, you know, contraband in.
But cigarettes are not permitted in the federal prison system at all.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
Ramos was telling us that he got sent to the hole because they were trying to create incense and burning some sort of oils and like wet toilet paper.
And then they thought that they were trying to get high off.
He's like, no, you don't understand.
And they still sent him away anyway.
All right, Ash, uh, if you say, oh, t earl gray to this one, we're cutting your mic.
No, English racism, Ian Fleming, besides, yeah, uncensored books.
That's something you can't do without JK Rowling's opinions on Trump.
Yeah, a government that looks after its native people.
No, yeah, a couple winners.
Apart from all the obvious stuff, which would take a couple of hours to list off, it's potato starch.
Potato starch in like a one of those talcum powder dispensers, multi-purpose.
It's good for babies' butts when they get red.
And it's good to put on your feet and your junk when you're out on a hike and you get all sweaty and that it stops your trousers chafing your nuts when you're going up a mountain.
Potato starch is brilliant.
Never leave the house without it.
Secondary tip.
Go ahead.
No, please.
I was just going to say, what's our, I don't, I've not heard of like potato and starch together over here.
You know, we have gold bond medicated powder and maybe baking soda or baking powder.
I don't know about the difference, but Sam Roll is that roughly potato starch in shredded cheese.
Okay.
Yeah, great.
It's literally just starch extracted from potatoes and they'll put it in shredded cheese and stuff to keep the shape of it.
But you can get it as like an alternative to cornflower.
I don't know if that's the same word as where you go as like a thickening agent.
You can also use it on your balls.
All right.
There you go.
Something that you might need to use.
No, sorry.
Mullocks.
I like to say bullocks.
Bollocks.
Bullocks is a cow, dude.
Bollocks.
Bollocks.
Never mind it.
Never mind the bollocks.
Never mind the bollocks.
Bullock is a detective from Batman.
Ash is going to be smuggling potato starch in with him.
No, sorry.
That's enough.
You're not going in.
I'm not going in.
Yeah, very good.
One more that I had that I've learned very painfully year after year is that you can never have enough garden soil or enough mulch.
I can't tell you how many times I've gone to the store.
Unfortunately, I still have not found one of these magical, like free dirt and free mulch joints around here, which I probably should do more homework on that.
But regardless, every time I go to Walmart or Tractor Supply or the garden store, I'm like, yeah, fill up the back of the truck or the minivan.
That should do me this year.
Never goes nearly far enough.
And even if you do happen to have one of those weird planting seasons where you've got too much garden soil or too much mulch, you just put it somewhere to like kill weeds.
It's wonderful for that function.
Anything else you guys are dying to chime in here?
I'm looking at the faces.
It's rare that we're all on camera.
So yeah.
Ash, do you ever listen to Radio Albion?
Actually, no.
I do know that like the syndicated a few podcasts and stuff over there that I usually caught elsewhere.
And yeah.
Well, patriotic history, patriotic history is great.
I never miss an episode of that.
I recommend for our listeners or yourself, patriotic history.
They've been going through all the English history back from the very first king of England, you know, all the all the way up to as far as they've been.
But great.
Oh, man.
Really great.
Yeah.
Their website owner, I guess, he's also got in trouble with the IS now.
Just recently began.
Sven Longshanks.
Yeah.
He's a great guy.
Really great guy.
Love to have him on the show too sometime.
Sure.
Be happy to.
Ash, you now have a, is he a Punjabi prime minister?
Right?
Yeah.
Well, Indian, I think, Indian extraction.
Right, yeah.
But yeah, Punjab is an area that, you know, it's both in India and Pakistan.
Do you have any optimism?
And I don't want this to be catnip for you and Chris, but I assume that you have very negative, skeptical opinions of the big picture political system over there.
Does it all have to collapse for you guys to have a country again?
Or do you see a way forward over there politically with one of the existing parties or one of the alternatives that are springing up?
Well, what I discovered in the last year when I was looking into, I've been making a lot of notes and stuff.
Maybe I'll write a book in prison.
Is in between now and Mr. Callahan, who was the prime minister before Margaret Thatcher, there has been one English, British prime minister who has not been a self-declared Zionist.
And that was John Major.
And I think he was just too boring for anyone to pay attention to.
So I don't think there's anything in the political system that can separate it from a Zionist agenda.
The Conservative Friends of Israel are very, very influential.
That's effectively our APAC.
There's also the Labour Friends of Israel.
They're very keyed up to a more left-wing kind of pro-Israel two-state solution kind of group.
Under Boris Johnson's cabinet, I believe two-thirds of them were funded by Jewish donors.
Now, some people might draw some connections there, not me, because I'm going to get myself into trouble.
Just a humble boxer, yeah.
I'm just a humble boxer who wants to tend to my memes.
With Sunak, I mean, what they're doing now is they're talking really hard about like the invasion of mostly Albanians that are coming in on the small boats.
They're talking real hard because they've got a general election this year.
Sure.
That's a smokescreen for the half a million people that we took in net.
So we had a million people come in last year and about 470,000 leave.
They'll talk hard while they've got a brown-skinned prime minister, a brown-skinned home secretary, Swella Braverman, who's Indian origin and got braverman from some other group, which I forget.
It probably likes a Friday night dinner.
But there you go.
In Scotland, they're going to have some real wild times because they're getting investigated for corruption through the Scottish National Party, which is really a Marxist front.
And they just normally independence, but they've just nominated a Muslim Pakistani Hamza Yousaf, who comes out immediately in favor of a self-identification transgender bill for anybody to just declare themselves a different gender and has previously got up in the Scottish Parliament and denounced his own country,
which is 90, his own country, which is 98% white for having so many white people in top jobs.
So, I mean, Scotland's still 98% white.
Massively.
I mean, there's only 6 million people up there.
There's only 6 million of them.
I was curious to see that, let's see, Portugal, Ireland, England, and then Scotland, all these countries in the closest proximity to the United States, aside from, of course, Canada, Mexico, et cetera, those are the European countries, literally the physically closest ones that are turning non-white at the very top of the political chain.
Probably not a coincidence given the other options there.
But yeah, through regular political means, I don't think so.
Maybe like a patriotic alternative will get finally their accreditation to so they can stand people in elections.
They're doing a lot of good community work.
There's a lot of really great people in that organization.
So maybe there's some hope there.
I don't think it's going to spin out that we're going to have a patriotic alternative prime minister.
But the focus, like the focus of any further right-wing, if we say nominally right-wing political party is to drag the conservatives further right to make them afraid of losing their voters.
That's what UKIP did with Brexit.
Sure.
They took up the position to the right of the Conservatives and said, no, we want a referendum on European Union.
And they had to be dragged over to it.
So our prime minister had to give up to that.
And even then, he campaigned to stay in the European Union.
Fair enough.
We're heading towards balkanization just as much as you are.
Yep.
It pains me very much, even though I'm not very much of an Anglo.
Everything that's going on in Europe hurts oddly.
You know, it's not like some telescopic sympathy or whatever.
There's, you know, the ancient blood memories of Europe and where, of course, my ancestors and everybody on this show came from seeing it happen there is somehow more painful or just as painful as seeing it here.
But with different people, with the Americans going through that process of ethnogenesis, you're becoming white Americans because you're attacked on that basis.
We've got a slightly different thing, but it's still, they don't attack me for being English.
They say that English people don't exist.
They say, well, do you mean like the Jutes or the Angles or all this kind of nonsense?
The cheddar, yeah, the brown cheddar men.
Yeah, not cheddar main.
I don't want to have Chris's hair catch on fire.
Chris, since you've been going hard and creating a ton of good content, I'll throw you a softball here.
Obviously, you're not a dummy, and you knew that the tactic or the strategy that you were advocating for was not going to make friends with everybody.
There are a ton of people who are going to say, oh, yeah, we know we've tried this before.
We've done it.
However, I'll give you this, Chris.
Even guys who vehemently disagree with you, like Ash here, say, man, I really like Chris, or I still listen to him and there's a ton of wisdom in there.
Have you tweaked anything since he came out?
Or are you still sticking to it?
Because you've done, obviously, the thinking and the analysis that this is just what makes sense over here.
I would say that I am concerned in the extreme about the idea of, I'll just, I'll name drop it, whatever.
The National Justice Party seems that it is uniquely focused on giving the Republican Party a hard time, and that the effect of that will be to let the Democrats rule the country.
And I believe that that will hasten our decline precipitously in such a fashion that I have trouble imagining the upside of it.
And so I've sort of tried to make what I think is a well-reasoned and articulate case for that being a bad idea.
You know, I'm trying to, more broadly, I want to sort of take a, what's the word I'm looking for?
I want us to be able to participate in politics in a meaningful way, because if we are not able to participate in politics, then I don't believe that we can secure the existence of our people in a future for white children.
And so my goal presently is to exert the maximum possible effort towards making that the case.
And I don't believe that it presently is.
Somebody on last night's show, I read a letter from a guy who sent me a money order, a fairly generous one at that.
And he said something to the effect of, well, you know, I think that if you went to a Republican Party meeting, they'd throw you out.
And I think that that would be entertaining.
So please get it on video, essentially.
And I said, well, of course, if I went to the meeting and I was like, hello, boys, I'm the crying Nazi and I'm here to help you win a popularity contest.
They're going to be like, get out of here, you idiot.
You're going to get us all screwed.
And so the idea is, you know, I have created a circumstance where people who have emulated my behavior have found themselves similarly ostracized from politics and that I regret being that influence.
And so I would like to create a scenario in which people who agree with me are capable of wielding government power so that my friends aren't getting dragged out of their houses in the middle of the night and brought to Charlottesville for nonsense.
That's the kind of the idea.
It's painful for, for lack of a better term, Whig Nats or hardcore Nat socks or white nationalists to swallow their pride or their principles to a certain extent and admit that sometimes, you know, you have to have guys tip of the spear.
You have to have guys pushing the rhetoric.
I'm sure the NJP guys would point to Ash's like UKIP thing and say, oh, look, look what we did.
You know, we pushed right or whatever.
I mean, they're not there yet, but they might be thinking that.
But yeah, you have to admit that this is America 2023, not Germany, 1925, 19, whatever.
And the sad fact is that, yeah, it's not very analogous whatsoever.
And well-intentioned white Americans who might be receptive to a lot, if not almost all of our ideas, even if they're still cucked on race or Jews or whatever, could be pushed in another direction with a bit of different rhetoric.
Now, I'm just saying that that may be the case.
It's still like I'm having to struggle to get those words out of my throat, but there's an element, I think, of truth and wisdom to that.
However, I think importantly, the main difference between the United States and Britain is proportional representation, right?
So like it's a night and day thing.
When you have winner-take-all elections, there's no, it's, it's a, it's, it is a two-party system and there's, there's no two ways about that.
Now, if you want to try to make your party be the other party, you know, I'm not saying that that's mechanically impossible.
I just don't think I have my doubts about the I've seen third parties attempt to operate in the United States before.
With a ton more money and palatable opinions.
Right.
So like people say that, you know, oh, well, you know, working with the Republican Party has failed.
And I'm like, have you ever heard of the libertarians?
You know, have you ever heard of like any number of other independent so-called political parties that have tried to participate in American politics?
It's not like that hasn't been tried either.
And so not to mention the fact that, oh, okay, like this didn't work in several ways on several different fronts.
Means therefore it can never work or it can't be tweaked or whatever.
You know, it begs that question of a different approach.
Rolo, I saw your, I saw your hand up real quick, Ash.
I thought Rolo was saying, like, stop, you know, the tape stopped recording, but he was just raising his hand like he was in coach's English class.
Uh, go ahead, Rolo.
Well, my, my, my best friend, Steve Dave, sent me this article where there's a save woman's sports bill, and it passed the House, but there were zero votes from the Democrats.
And this is the thing is, for all the faults of the Republican Party, and I've said this multiple times, is they still claim to at some level represent Americans.
Bare normalcy.
Yeah, yeah, even if it's like a superficial thing and they don't mean it, but like the Democrats are like, if it's zero of them, they're this is done like to like out of spite.
Like they're not trying to even have a facade of like, well, you know, some of us care about like women.
Like that, like all the JK Rawling thing, if you've ever seen what she says, she pretty much just says, if anyone can say that they're a woman, then it undermines the actual achievements of women.
So she's like, you know, feminist to the core, like, you know, yes, we do, Rosie the Riveter and whatnot.
So Democrats are out there just saying like, chop off your wee wee and you are a woman.
And this is the absolute level of like insanity, not just like give blacks money and then they'll do well.
Like the transgender thing, like this is a bridge too far for normal people.
A guy at the gym earlier today, like he just randomly came up to me and he's like, I don't understand this transgender thing.
And I wasn't even talking about it.
And I had never, I had never mentioned it.
That was the guys in the liquor store, in the convenience store.
Like, I didn't even say Bud Light.
I just said, oh, man, I almost bought an Anheuser-Busch product.
And they jumped at it.
Yeah, I asked my, I called them the Virginia remnant, my buddies who are still in Virginia.
They're not all like trying to leave.
But I said, has Jungkin actually done anything good?
Because they're already talking about him to be president just because he won an election and, you know, Virginia, the governor.
And they're like, it's not that he's done anything really good.
It's that, you know, he hasn't done anything really bad.
You know, that's how low the standards are because he's not doing horrible things.
Therefore, he's a good Republican governor.
I was like, man, that is a really effing low bar.
But go ahead, Ash.
I know you were champing at the bit there to say something.
Yeah, just a little point.
We don't actually have proportional representation here.
If they did, then I think in the 2018 election, UKIP would have won a fair few seats.
It got like 5 million votes, but not enough to get first past the post in any local one.
It is a different system for you guys because you've literally got like two-party system all the way down, and that's going to be really hard to break.
But like, I see your point, Chris, for the NJP.
Like, I do, but that is the kind of like, okay, so with the chemical spill in Ohio, NJP went out and screwed around with him.
It does get something sort of working.
I think those people are still going to get screwed over, but at least people actually know about it.
Like going after Democrats, you're not really going to win anything because you're just going to be doing, you can do that already while being a beautiful sunny day today, and we can expect much more of the same over the next couple of days.
You might want to do some of those outdoor activities that you I suppose it was only a matter of time, but right there is where we lost the recording, or where Rollo finally decided to implement his sabotage designs on this show after 50 or more episodes producing.
In all seriousness, though, it's really tragic to have lost it there.
Rollo's recording equipment just stopped on a dime.
We didn't notice it at the time, and because Ash is not allowed to be on social media, we didn't have our backup recording option operating at that time.
Fortunately, it was only 10 minutes.
We quickly wrapped up our slight divergence into political debate and moved on to closing comments.
I will tell you 100% honestly that Ash gave moving final words as he was facing his upcoming trial.
He had no idea which way it was going to go, but he was prepared for a conviction.
He was not at all wavering in his convictions or his beliefs.
He had faith in God, and he exhorted everyone listening to the episode to stay strong, to keep fighting, and to never lose faith.
Chris Cantwell, Sam, and Rollo also had very kind and wise words to close out the show.
But for the first time in the show's history, they are actually lost to posterity.
So you're going to have to imagine what they said there.
In their absence, this is me recording the closing on May 26th after we learned that Ash had been acquitted on the rap music charge, but convicted on possession of that document.
So he will be sentenced in about two months, and he could get up to six years.
There's hope that he might get as few as four or even two years.
His wife and daughters are being stoic in the face of this.
And Ash, I learned through a second source when he was saying goodbye, said that he was going to fight dragons as he was saying as he was saying goodbye to his little girls.
So I don't know what else to tell you guys.
That's how it rolled for Ash this time.
And you know the old adage: it's only going to get harder before it gets easier for us.
So buckle up.
This has been our long-delayed episode 157, fourth anniversary special.
Please do keep Ash and his family in your prayers.
Arguably, possibly more importantly, donate to their fundraiser so that they can be kept comfortable while he's doing his time stoically and bravely and without one iota of doubt maintaining his fidelity to our beliefs and our cause.
We went out with this episode.
It was a spur-of-the-moment decision.
I'm sticking to it to the Terminator 1 theme song.
I think that the ethos of it is really something that we need to internalize, as cheesy as that may be, to have a movie theme sort of motivate our efforts.