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School's out for summer, at least here in the Mountain Mama.
And I'm as excited and delighted for the kids as I used to be upon the glorious outbreak of no early wake-ups, daylight until 9 p.m. or later, family trips both long and short.
And of course, the wondrous freedom of riding my bike to nearby friends' houses, stickball in the streets until we couldn't see the ball anymore, and boogie boarding in middling waves like I was Bodhi at the end of point break.
But I'd be lying if I said summer break with kids at home didn't come with a bit of anxiety and apprehension too.
We have to ensure they retain a bit of structure without regimentation, a bit of freedom without excessive hazard, and of course, not let them veg on stream, TV, video games, and tablets for endless hours when it's legitimately too hot to play outside.
In my day, my parents only had to worry about too much TV, and they couldn't track my whereabouts by smartphone.
One of the few parenting innovations I've instituted around here that I didn't get from my parents is creating a summer bucket list with your kids, and with apologies for the movie reference.
It's aspirational, but mostly attainable, a blend of the prosaic and the slightly extravagant, and has provided a pretty good motivation for us the past few summers.
Examples on our lists include hunting lightning bugs, visiting grandparents, going on a canoe trip, playing at the park, swimming in the ocean, seeing a national park, picnicking up on the big flat hill, read 10 books, process a chicken, that's a new one this year, and see fireworks.
I highly recommend sitting down with your kids anywhere from ages three to 17 to make a long list, stick it on the fridge, and see what you can knock out during this greatest time of the year.
All right, Gordon Call of Americoner.org, whatever that is, is in the white room with us tonight, and we are rearing to go.
So, Mr. Producer, hit it.
Welcome, everyone, to Full House, the world's kindest show for white fathers, aspiring ones, and the whole biofam.
It is episode 160, and I am, as always, your DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince summertime appreciating host, Coach Finstock.
That's right.
That was a jam back in 91, I think, when I was starting to really appreciate summers.
Back with a new episode not dedicated to thought crime and punishment.
A savvy listener joked recently that with all of the thought criminals and accused on our shows recently, we were becoming a true thought crime podcast series.
Before we meet the birth panel, though, big thanks to Casey, Longshanks, Cody, Derek, Fritz, and Skinny Cletus for their kind support of the show.
Remember, we didn't record for the past two weeks, so that's two weeks since we released our fourth anniversary special.
And Skinny Cletus said, discovered the show through Tom Sewell coming on.
Been binge listening ever since.
By far the best podcast I've heard.
Figured I'd give back for all the good times y'all have provided.
And Fritz said, this is for the medical fund if the canned food scheme goes sideways, or for ice cream if it pans out.
Thank you, Fritz.
Thank you, Skinny Cletus.
I have not tried out any of the dump canned food yet.
And Anonymous said that eyebrows betray character.
I thought that was aimed at me at first because I've got two giant caterpillars up there, but then I got the joke.
If you'd like to be like those kind kindred spirits and hear your name and lights, if that's such a thing, visit us at givesendgo.com slash fullhouse or full-house.com and the support us tab.
And finally, I promise I'm about to shut up, guys.
Thank you to everyone who boosted and donated to the fundraiser for our English friend Ash's family as he is now behind bars, dearly missing his wife and daughters.
If you missed that show, forgot about the fundraiser, or stumbled on some loose change in the couch, please consider doing an absolutely noble and necessary deed in helping his wife and daughters while their husband is behind bars.
That's at givesendgo.com slash supporting P sharp.
Spelled the way it sounds, supporting, letter P, and then sharp, S-H-A-R-P.
And with that, let's get on with the show.
First up, frankly, I was surprised he was available tonight, given the news that a silver fox was sighted atop a Chicago rooftop shouting, F the police, and playing Eye of the Tiger.
I'm okay.
I'm okay.
You're back.
You got to win with it.
Oh, yeah.
You know, it's a little dust up there.
I guess they're saying that that was a Nazi or something, that he had a Nazi flag, but it does.
I don't know.
I guess I'll have to watch the news.
Stuff happens.
People just pop off from time to time.
But yeah, it is.
Good.
Good.
Yeah, I was doing a little bit of short trip traveling like you were talking about in your intro there on this Memorial Day weekend.
Nice.
You know, Memorial Day is, if you think about it for a minute, is a really sad holiday.
If you can imagine, you know, having to be the one that's been in any of the worthless wars this country has been in over the last hundred years.
But yeah, we went and visited with some friends, let's just say down south and had a wonderful time with family and had spent some wonderful time out on the lake and things like that.
And I got to meet the guy who was going to give up his kidney.
Remember him?
Oh, yeah.
And so got to hang out with him.
Very fine young man.
We had some good laughs and stayed up way too late having a few beers.
And I also met, you know, I like to get out to the traditional Latin Mass.
And so I always track down somewhere wherever I am where there is one.
And one of our guys and his family were there.
So I spent some nice time having coffee and donuts with him and his family after church.
So that was nice to press the flesh.
And he said, yeah, I keep hearing about Full House.
I just have not listened.
I said, well, this is the time to get in now.
You are in the presence of the heart and soul of Full House.
Shame on him.
So that was really nice.
And I mentioned to you before, I'm just celebrating now my 20-year wedding anniversary.
So yeah, I thought I'd offer some.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Sure, of course.
I thought I'd offer some reflections on that later.
Absolutely, Sam.
Congratulations.
Big one.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And as we joked before the show, I said, man, 20, 20 years, that is, wait, that's really long.
And I was like, oh, well, I'm at 15 already.
I'm almost in the same boat as you.
Double hit of zinc citrate.
That's all.
All right.
Double hit.
I've been having, you know, I advised one of our listeners, reached out and asked about the zinc and magnesium.
And I said, oh, you got to do it.
Let me know how it works.
And he said his wife was angry because I take supplement advice from full house and not my wife.
Yeah, I haven't heard back.
I've been having wild, wild dreams, Sam.
And it happens.
It's like I go to bed.
I'm like, all right, here we go.
They start like they start almost instantly.
I'm like, all right, I'm passing sleep and now my thoughts are starting to go wild.
I'm semi-lucid, like I'm half awake, half asleep.
It's like a good sleep, good dream cycle on them.
Big stuff.
Well, you know who told me about that zinc citrate.
So you can take it to the bank.
Ascot, bro.
There you go.
Official testosterone, nutrition, and other experts.
He has some other wilder expertise out there.
Oh, yeah.
He's welcome anytime.
And good start to the summer for you there, Sam.
Happy for you.
And did our donor or did our putative donor say that he would come on with Big Mike?
Was he willing?
I can't remember.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mike is, he's going through a lot of ups and downs, as you might expect.
You know, he's an older guy and he has some, you know, many years that he's been in the state.
And so he's got some different things, but and he's been up and down with his spirits too.
He's had some real anguish.
As you can imagine, you know, if you've ever been laid up in the hospital for even a few days, you know, you can only watch so much TV and you can never get comfortable.
If you got things attached to you, you can't lay on your side maybe or you can't, you know, get up and do the things you'd like.
So, but now he's working nurses in the hallways.
Most nurses I have known and met have been lovely and professional.
But of course, the yeah, but he, since he's out of the ICU, now our guys are going and visiting him and he's, he's just tickled about that, getting different people to come and see him.
And he's, he's in rehab because they got a, I don't know what, what is involved in the rehab, but so he's, he's going through some ups and downs and he's just got to hang in there.
But that would be a hell of a lot of fun to have him and the other guy on.
All right.
Good stuff.
Thank you, Sammy.
Let's call it physical therapy and not rehab.
Makes it sound like Mike's got withdrawal or something.
All right.
Thank you, Sammy, baby.
Next up, if he were a movie producer instead of just a podcast producer, he'd be Jerry Bruckheimer, but not Jewish.
It's because he does excellent productions.
High quality, high value, high drama.
The great Rolo is back.
Rolo, how are you?
I'm good.
I went to my grandfather's earlier today and he said to me and my half-brother that I can't play with the chainsaw anymore.
Clearly did not happen.
Ah, got it.
Got it.
Yep.
Yep.
Light slap on the wrist for cutting your half brother, cutting your whole brother half.
Rolo, it's Pride Month.
The great Pro Beer and Retailer Revolt is still underway and the bogus debt ceiling thing passed to postpone national default.
What are you angry about this week, if anything?
You know, I've been watching a lot of Star Trek the next generation because I know that over the next month, I'm going to be bombarded with things that really make my blood boil.
And it's going to be in every single thing, everywhere I go.
So I've been just trying to shut it all out for the time being because things are about to get really annoying, to put it mildly.
They already have.
I got a push notification from all trails.
You familiar with the all trails app?
It's really good for like finding hikes in the woods.
Is that a hiking one?
Okay.
Yeah, exactly.
For hiking and bike riding and all that sorts of stuff.
And they pushed a pride notification to my folks.
Oh, thank you, Altra.
Delete.
There's no targets near me.
And there was tons of Bud Light at the local Walmart.
I posted on Telegram and all of the Coors and Miller products were completely cleared out.
This is like going on to 60 days, two months, staying strong.
There's no signs of stopping.
No signs of stopping.
And also, Fox News just did a segment.
Like, aren't we so happy with our Republican gaze?
It's not stopping.
And people are hurting the system as a result of this.
And I'm happy about it.
So this is one of those things because I'm not a complete accelerationist because I don't want to be completely ruined and be deprived of a future.
So like seven generations from now can start to crawl out of the rubble.
I want in my lifetime to have some prosperity.
But now people are really pushing back.
And the main takeaway is that the system doesn't care that people or that it's losing money because people are saying no.
But people are starting to see that.
They're starting to see that like despite everything, like we do not have a free market.
So I see that these are these are these are good things, but I'm going to have to endure 30 days of sodomy.
So I'm not too happy about that in general.
But you know what?
There's there's a lot of things that I have to deal with in this country.
And, you know, you take the good with the bad.
Our good buddy, friend of the show and friend of ours, maybe it was last year, sent a beautiful picture of one of his baby girls on a big rainbow colored flag and just without thinking made a, oh, I didn't know, you know, it was just a bad joke.
And he said, no, F that.
They don't, they don't get to keep the rainbow.
The rainbow is a beautiful, you know, thing.
Like it's, it's kid friendly and all the rest.
I said, all right, respect.
Yeah.
Just because you have a rainbow.
And we beat a dead horse on the Bud Light and the stuff.
But I just want to say real quick.
And our special guest is really, he's grinding his teeth right now.
Like, come on, guys, can I talk?
As always, the devil is in the details and the devil is in the longevity of how the persistence of whether boycotting Bud Light or Target or whatever else it is, how long it can last.
Because even I, I was looking at in Bev's stock price and I was like, let's be honest here.
Like it's not going to go bankrupt.
Eventually people will move on.
But I said, nope, nope, not going to do it.
Going to stand strong.
So don't buy Bud Light.
Don't shop at Target.
Just have a little solidarity.
Have some fun and revel in big global homo billion, many billion behemoth stores finally suffering a little bit and seeing that we are not quite entirely powerless serfs.
Go ahead, Sam.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
I lost my train of thought there.
All right.
No big deal.
I was going to say, I said this earlier, and I'm going to say it again because I'm proud of it.
But eventually, Bud Light, it's just going to get so cheap that if you see a homeless guy drinking it, he buy it.
That's pretty good, really.
Yeah, it'll be the tranny homeless beer.
At one point, I thought that cigarettes would get so expensive that they would become like a designer.
Like, ooh, look at me.
I can afford cigarettes, but that never came to pass.
All right.
Finally.
Go ahead, Sam.
I was going to say now I remember what I was going to say.
I was going to interject, you know, that rainbow image, there's like a certain color scheme that implies the fag thing.
And, you know, I think there's other representations of the rainbow that you should be able to use without fear of confusing that.
Sure.
Hopefully Roy G. Biv is not the gay sequence of the Pink Floyd prism color on Dark Side of the Moon.
All right.
Finally, our very patient this week, very special in more ways than one and return guest.
You can call him the beard and there's nothing gay about it.
He stood up to be counted when adversity came and knocking on his door.
And he's one of the most likable and reliable content creators in the white dissident ecosystem.
Fact check, true.
Source, me, the host of Octang Americaner, the final boss of AmeriConnor.org, and sincerely one of my favorite people in this thing, Gordon Call.
Welcome back.
How are you, big guy?
Hey, thanks for having me on, Coach.
That was really nice of you to say.
It's especially funny to call me one of the most reliable content creators when I didn't do my show this week and I canceled the music stream that I would normally do.
Shame, shame.
Yeah, that was all.
I was ordered by one of my most prolific song requesters that I just had to do it from eight to midnight next Friday instead of the usual hour.
And I agreed.
So I think we'll make up for it.
I think you put more time into Americaner by far than I put into Full House, but I got kind of a good excuse with the three munchkins, especially now running around here 24-7.
But tell us, tell us, big guy, more about AmeriConnor.
Not an inauthentic plug here, but what are you working on?
And what do you want people to check out?
Yeah.
So right now we have some articles that are going to be coming up coming down the pipe.
I know that there is at least two responses to that Dalton article that you shared on your channel about Christianity and its relation to the struggle against Jewish power.
And I think in Dalton's opinion was rather negative.
These are the responses to that.
I've got some poetry that's going to be going up from the white, who has submitted a lot of that.
And that's kind of what we've got for that sort of content.
I will hopefully be able to make good on my promises of doing some in real life kind of journalistic endeavors.
Currently, my life situation has been a little bit in flux, shall we say.
And once it's more ironed out, I'll be able to make commitments for that sort of thing.
Fair enough.
A life in flux.
Yeah, we might have to get into that.
I did want to, yeah, thank you for mentioning the two responses.
I read one of them and I will publish it on Full House too, but it's for American.
And then with your permission, big guy.
I'll say, you know, this originally.
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
I don't know if Sam saw Dalton, but of course, Thomas Dalton, PhD, great writer, translator, speaks German, authority on the Third Reich and on Hitler in particular.
And I did post that article because it was interesting.
It was a little bit catnip to me.
I wasn't posting it to aggravate the Christians or make Sam quit the show, but in it, essentially, he questioned, you know, he sincerely, and I was even like, look, whatever you think about this, is that Dalton's got big brass ones.
No, not because crapping on Christianity requires courage.
That's dime a dozen, of course, but because, of course, Dalton, so far as I know, makes a living from like selling books and his products and having a reputation among our guys who want to consume his stuff.
So to go that hard and basically question Jesus's existence and then also, of course, all the standards, you know, knocks against Christianity that you heard, it got top billing on UNS, you know, or on Occidental Review or Dissent.
I just thought it was interesting.
And I said, hey, anybody wants to come up with a rebuttal to it?
Have at it.
I'd certainly read it.
And one of your authors that I read certainly had a good one.
So I'll post that when it's up.
Sam, did you see the Dalton article?
Did it make you angry or no big deal?
I'm sorry.
I did not see it.
I will check it out, though, and give you a response.
Very good.
Yeah.
A lot of people said it was Reddit Tear and they were surprised.
And I was surprised that Dalton did it too, but I guess he's done that before.
So, hey, well, I mean, I, I, I talk to a lot of people and some people are very anti-Christianity and so forth.
And in some ways, I look at that as a healthy reaction to the way things are right now.
The version of Christianity that's offered in today's world is certainly not something that we can accept.
So that people turn away from that.
I look at as though they, at least their instincts are intact and they're rejecting it.
Yep.
And, you know, full disclosure, when you read Dalton's article, that sort of stuff, it certainly used to be way up my alley.
And when I read it now, I'm like, oh, this is bringing back the old, the old Fedora tipping coach days.
But it also, it's, yeah, to go that far and question whether it even exists.
Man, that would have to require some cooking up.
And of course, there's a lot of theological responses to it too.
Gordon, belated congratulations on your Docs Mitzvah.
I mean that sincerely.
You don't have to hide anymore.
Your face is out there.
Your name is out there.
And you didn't cook.
You didn't cry into your beer.
Maybe you did.
Don't admit it on this show.
But seriously, let's start at the top for the benefit of the audience.
How did they get you, big guy?
Maybe any lessons learned for others.
Yeah.
So it all happened.
There was a little bit of a string of these, unfortunately.
There was brought to the Telegram channel.
Anonymous Comrades Collective was the perpetrators.
They apparently found, if you look at my old episodes of Actong Americaner, there was an old Twitter account.
It was at Call Gordon, I think.
And that account had at one point been my normie Twitter account.
And it had used a variation of my first name.
I think it was like Big Rig Shear because my real name is Rigan Shear.
And it had to meet your name.
Yeah, exactly.
And it had used that.
And I had used that account.
It's funny, actually, because I had forgotten about that account.
I had went to that account after a non-connected account had been banned because Twitter required you to use a phone number.
And I remembered this old account.
I was like, oh, I'll just switch to that and I'll change the name.
What could go wrong?
Right.
Well, you can look at historical account names on Twitter.
They found that account name, which by itself wouldn't necessarily mean anything, although, you know, there aren't that many shears in South Dakota.
But regardless, they put up the flare for them to be like, the flare, they, they then found I had released a PDF of a sort of Dungeons and Dragons parody called Rahoa the Meme War, which is a like, you know, classic.
Yeah, just like a tabletop RPG or whatever.
And I had released the PDF.
I had scrubbed the metadata off of the PDF.
And so it had like, you know, like Riggin's, like Riggin Shear PC or whatever as the name of the device that had created the file.
Yep.
And then, you know, like with that, you know, there's, you know, there's, there aren't very many shears in South Dakota.
There are no other Riggin shears in South Dakota.
Right.
And so then, and then after that, you know, they, they went and they found my mom and my sister's Facebooks and all that.
And, you know, the rest was history, as they say.
Essential lesson for the audience is that, yeah, if a lot of guys start off with, you know, maybe some initials or a real name or whatever.
And they're like, oh, because I remember this back in the day.
A buddy, like, you know, when he was going through the same sort of ideological transformation, he's like, okay, I don't want these like normie friends or family to see what I'm posting.
So he would just block everybody and then change his handle and he'd be like, okay, so now it's like a fresh start and you just unblock them.
They can't see that they're blocked.
And this just like looks like a different account.
But alas, it's all there.
So for the listener, if you have an old Twitter account and you never got banned, I don't know.
You haven't been going hard enough.
But beware those early handles from the more innocent bygone days.
They can and sometimes do come back to bite you.
And to be honest, I had always, I mean, I've always operated under the assumption that I would eventually be doxed.
And it's part of why I say things the way that I say them.
It's not because I'm trying to like cuck or whatever.
I don't say things that I feel would be difficult for me to defend in person because I, you know, they're what I honestly believe and think.
I also just kind of assumed it would happen because frankly, no one is perfect at some point.
If you're not careful and you produce content long enough, it is not impossible for this sort of thing to occur.
And I had actually assumed there were a couple of other vectors that a dox would have been possible through that I could not have prevented that I was actually shocked that they didn't get me through those.
It was completely out of left field.
I actually forgotten about this old Twitter account.
I hadn't even thought about it in years.
So I think it got banned in like 2017.
Right.
Yeah.
And they can still, yeah, they can still go back and find it or whatever.
I do want the audience to know that, you know, we were in comms when this happened or when it looked like it was coming down the pike.
And Big Gordon was more worried about other people and collateral damage than himself.
He was very stoic about it.
He did it just the way you're supposed to do it.
He said, look, you know, what's going to happen here?
I might get fired.
Some people might not talk to me anymore.
I'll get a new job.
My life goes on.
Is that more or less accurate, Gordon?
Or was it, you know, I'm not asking you to open your heart up here, but was it more stressful and more painful for that for the guys who haven't gone through it yet and might go through it someday?
Well, it was kind of, so the way it worked for me, it was kind of funny because first what happened was I got sent a DM on telegram by David Gilbert, the Irish homosexual.
I don't know if he's actually homosexual.
I just assume he is.
I never trust the man who's whose last name ends in B-E-R-T.
It's just a golden rule.
So true.
So true.
But yeah, I got, I got sent a DM by him.
Well, first, I got a bunch.
I was at work and my phone just started going crazy.
And I finally like get out of, get out somewhere and check it.
And I'm getting all of these DMs from guys like, hey, bro, we saw it dropped.
How are you doing?
Everything okay, bro?
I was like, which, you know, immediately made me panic.
And I, and somebody sent me the article, the anonymous comrade collective article.
And I was like, oh, all right.
And I was like, well, there's nothing.
And I was like, well, there's nothing I can do about it.
So I guess I better just go back to work because I still have like 10 hours of my ship left.
And, you know, I, and it was funny by the end of the, at first, I was actually kind of like freaked out about it.
But then the more I was working, the more I was like, well, I mean, I guess like whatever had happened, like, what's, you know, there's nothing, it's, there, it's not going to stop being the case.
Right.
Yeah.
So I kind of got over it.
And, you know, nothing really happened.
And I was like, well, it is anonymous comrades collective.
It's like an antifarag.
So who cares?
Then I got that DM from David Gilbert of Vice News saying, I'm going to write an article about you.
Do you want to comment?
And I think I told him to catch AIDS or something like that.
And then, which I stand by.
I hope I hope that his prep treatment does not work.
But either way.
Legally, not in Minecraft.
Yes.
In real life.
But regardless.
Yes.
But regardless, he published an article, which was basically just a rewrite of it was very clear that this man just works in tandem with these anonymous comrades collective people because it was like a less than 48 hour turnaround time.
And it was just laundering.
My personal assertion is that obvious, like, I think if someone took an anonymous comrade collective blog article to your employer, you would have a pretty reasonable chance of being like, these are insane freaks.
Yep.
You know what I mean?
Whereas when Vice News writes about it, it's a like quote unquote reputable news source.
The insertor of the authoritator.
It's just laundering.
Aren't they going for bankruptcy?
They are, in fact.
I'm, you know, listen, I would offer David Gilbert an unpaid internship at Americana.org.
But frankly, I don't think he quite fit the company culture.
You know, it's just, it's an unfortunate situation.
Not a good, not a good fit, Davey boy.
Yes.
But anyway, so the article dropped.
And then the funny thing is, like, when he told me the article dropped, like, you know, I'll freely admit that kind of spooked me again because I was wondering, like, like, and I don't even know why, because it wasn't really anything like secret.
Like, they pretty much found everything they could find about me.
You know what I mean?
And there wasn't, I don't like have a whole lot of secrets anyway, as people that are in my chat can probably attest.
And so like, you know, like, I don't know why I was so worried.
And the article dropped and I kind of laughed because it was the same article and he got basic facts wrong.
Like he mixed up events that the original article didn't.
Like his article was objectively worse than the Antifa blog article.
And, you know, and then after that happened, I kind of calmed down again.
And then a couple of days later, I got called into HR.
And, you know, my, the, I used to work for Bell Brands USA, which is a, uh, it was a factory that makes those little wax cheese wheels.
Speaking of boycotts.
Yep.
Don't laugh from Bill.
Yeah.
And, you know, the suit, the HR director pulled me in and he said, you know, well, I think you know why you're here.
And I'm like, you want to fire me because of my political beliefs that I talk about outside of work.
And he said, no, no, no, that's not, it's not about, it's not about your political beliefs.
I'm like, no, that's exactly what this is about.
And we had a little bit of an argument back and forth.
I pointed out that if I had been a Black Lives Matter, if I had been like a radical like BLM supporter who was like writing for the root or something, right?
Or if I had been, or if I had been writing for Anonymous Comrades Collective, right?
And these, they would never would have fired me.
He's, that's not true.
We, we treat all that stuff the same.
And I said, you literally have a like diversity is our strength poster on the break room wall.
Like you very clearly have a bias in this in this matter.
And he just kind of, you know, he, he, he hemmed and hawed and he said, well, we're going to have you turn in your badge and leave today, but then, you know, we'll, we'll consider it and we'll let you know what we're going to do.
Obviously, it was just a bunch of crap.
And then, you know, yeah, he was totally worried that he was going to step in and like, you know, not follow a proper procedure.
Yeah.
Sued civil rights.
Yeah.
And, you know, and honestly, like that stuff, it was kind of whatever.
I actually wasn't a huge fan of that job in the first place.
So, you know, it's kind of, it was, I wouldn't have, I would have preferred a different situation, but it is what it is.
After that, you know, I started getting contacted by, because I have a Facebook, which funnily enough, they didn't get me through that because I had it pretty well locked down.
They got through my family's Facebooks is where they got all the pictures of me.
But, you know, it is what it is.
But I started getting contacted via Facebook hilariously, mostly by like non-white women that I worked with.
And none of them were offended.
They were all saying, hey, sorry that happened.
Hope things work out for you.
Like, you know, like one of them, are you free for drinks?
Big guy.
Well, one of them tried to add me to her like professional, like photo, like photography Facebook group, like literally right afterwards, which was very funny.
Um, you know, I don't, you know, I don't like hate them or whatever.
It's just, it's just funny, I thought.
And then my family started contacting me and my family are mostly women.
And they were very, you know, my, my mother, bless her heart, you know, she, she, she said, uh, I, I don't understand all the hate and but I love you regardless.
And then like the next message was, how can I return?
Can you tell me how to return these jeans I bought off Amazon?
So like just like totally like, she was just basically like, you know, what this is kind of weird, but whatever, I guess, you know, and then my other sister, you know, she kind of was a lot, she was a little bit more concerned.
The funny thing was, is that she first she kind of came after me about, you know, my, my opinions on the Holocaust or whatever, but it became very clear quickly that she was more concerned about herself or her family or her, you know, anything else being targeted by Antifa.
Yep.
Which I thought was interesting.
She didn't think that I was dangerous or criminal.
She understood that the people that don't like me are psychotic criminals without her being any very clear to any like piece of garbage, excuse me, piece of garbage listening to this.
You know, my family doesn't doesn't hold this stuff.
They didn't know I felt this way about anything until the docs happened.
Right.
Right.
But they understand at an instinctual level that somebody like me isn't a threat to them.
It's these, you know, these, you know, Antifa or whatever.
So that was something I found very interesting.
None of my family particularly cared one way or the other.
Obviously, none of them were like, you know, climbing on board the, you know, the WN wagon or whatever.
But compared to a lot of other people's doc stories that I've heard, you know, I believe I feel bad because I don't quite remember her name, but I believe it was Dodson, Andrew Dodson.
He was the one who killed himself.
Yeah.
You know, he was, he was, he went to Charlottesville.
He was, you know, not even like, you know, he, he didn't do anything like soup, like even all that crazy.
I think he went dressed as a Confederate soldier and said that he didn't want the statue to be torn down.
And, you know, Antifa tracked him down, just like harassed him.
Like he was like working at like a cancer research laboratory, as I understand it.
And they tracked him down, eventually drove him to take his own life.
And then after he took his own life, you know, they found his obituary page that had open comments and proceeded to ruin that for his family.
Right.
You know, there's plenty of other people in this thing who have lost access to their family, who have had friends turn on them, neighbors, whatever.
The most that I had was my normie Dungeons and Dragons group who already knew my politics.
Like I would rank, like my laptop is covered in WN stickers and they knew, right?
I went there with it every weekend and they already knew, but suddenly when the docs dropped, the game was suddenly canceled with no explanation.
And I haven't been invited back since.
One of the silver linings when these things happen is that people will show their true colors.
You'll have people who are 100% supportive who tend to be our guys already.
Sometimes normie family and friends reach out friendly, say, hey, screw these people.
They might add a little caveat like, I don't agree with your views, but, you know, got your back.
And then you'd be surprised some of the people who care more.
Yeah, they worry about contagion, reputational risk to themselves, or they just do total feigning couch, you know, need the smelling salts for how could he was such a fine person in regular life.
I had no idea he lived a double life.
And that's one of the most disingenuous things about our enemies is that they purport to be incapable of understanding that we can hold our views objectively, virtuously, nonviolently, and can interact with other people who might not be white or might not be Christian or whatever in a civil, normal, healthy way at the workplace, at church, at sports, whatever it may be, and be a normal person because you do have, there's, there's the big picture and then there's the little picture.
There's the one-on-one interaction and then there's the obvious group characteristic that we're also aware of.
And they just pretend that we're like, you know, secretly seeding at, you know, Jamal and HR or whatever, which, you know, some cases, when it's HR, it usually is true.
But yeah, you get to, you get to see some true colors.
Well, we were, we were talking about before the show off air about like the long term, what do we expect or how might things go?
I think one of the things we will be seeing soon, if not already, is they're, they're just going to have to accept us.
They're just going to have to accept that there's a lot of white nationalists in this country and more and more every day.
And I think that's one of the things you'll see in the future is just they won't like it, but we're here and they're going to have to accept it.
That is an optimistic take, Sam.
And we're going to get into that and bigger picture stuff.
Cause one of the reasons Gordon is on this week, I didn't intend to have him on to do a postdocs interview and introspective, but was because I saw Gordon making some, I don't know, I thought accurate real talk arguments in the chat just today with our Nordic pal and wanted to ask him about that.
Yeah.
Also, I wanted to say, as far as, you know, being outed and stuff like that, I don't want to go into all the details again, but many years ago, that happened to me.
And as far as everybody I knew around me, it was very positive.
People would help me.
People would literally give me money.
You know, I had to move.
So they said, well, here, you can use this big truck.
And, you know what I mean?
So yeah, you will find that there's way more support for our positions than you would think.
And one question I wanted to ask Gordon is, was there ever any feeling or actual expressed threat towards you?
Or did you ever feel threatened or get threatened?
Because I think that for some people, they understand that, yeah, you know, you're going to lose friends maybe or something like that.
Yeah, you might lose your job, but you can get another job.
But I think that thing really scares people of somebody hurling bricks through the front window of their house or apartment in the middle of the night or, you know, somebody who's going to wait for you outside your place that you live or anything like that.
Did you experience any of that or even the fear of any of that?
So, I mean, I know that that has happened.
Like, I'm not going to pretend that that's never happened to anybody or whatever.
Right.
For me personally, no, that didn't happen at all.
Part of it is I live, I mean, Brookings, South Dakota is like 30,000 people.
It is kind of libtarded.
Like, I believe they just hung a bunch of rainbow flags up and down the main street today, right?
Because it's a college town.
Yeah.
So it has that kind of vibe.
I got a few, I got like a handful of Facebook messages after the article dropped and again after the news interview dropped.
And of those, only one was negative.
I got like five or six positive ones.
A lot of them, there was like a handful of them.
A couple of them were very clearly our guys using fake names.
And I tried to use it as a chance to network, but they didn't bite, unfortunately.
But the other ones were boomers, like old, older guys.
And they were all men, hilariously.
I didn't have no women to be rude or otherwise.
But I mean, but I thought that was kind of an interesting fact because I kind of expected like maybe some scolding, like, you know, like cat ladies.
Right, I didn't get anything like that.
I got one negative response and it was some dude that kind of looked like Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys who, uh he sent me a dm saying Nazi scum.
And then uh uh, somebody right, I posted his, I posted his, uh the screenshot to uh the chat and somebody looked him up and he's just like a petty criminal from Fargo who has like a.
His criminal history stretches all the way back to 2012 and all it is is like drug, drug use, uh violating restraining orders, assaults and like various other like you know, not even like cool crimes, you know, right and so.
And then you know like there was a Reddit thread about me and uh, one person who talked uh a lot of crap was somebody I used to work with at a factory who is now a transsexual uh, which I thought was very funny, and there you go.
Otherwise yeah, i've had nothing like that.
There was an incident uh I went to.
I went downtown because uh, a friend of mine was uh celebrating something I won't say what, just you know and uh, I made the mistake.
Somebody, when I was walking down through the bar, somebody said Rigan, is that you?
And I turned and addressed the person right and then they like immediately walked away and I thought it was a little weird, but I didn't really think anything of it, just kept on going to the bar or whatever.
And then, as I left the bar, somebody threw their drink at me right and then ran off into the crowd.
And what I realized then was I recognized that person from a Black lives Matter protest they'd had in town back during the Dirty Black Summer.
I knew who that woman was, that said my name.
I had recognized her and I realized that what they had done right is she had recognized me, she'd confirmed my identity, and then she had went and found another person to like, you know, make like the I don't want to like over exaggerate it, but to like make the hit right.
And that was the only thing that happened and I kind of thought about it afterwards as if we were in a different time and place.
Right, that probably wouldn't have been like a plastic beer bottle or a beer can glass.
You know what I mean.
Did you catch it and at least get a free?
No, he hit me in the back, like because he he hit me from behind and then ran away.
But I mean but, but again, like that's the worst that happened to me and honestly it wasn't even like you know, but I I thought about that as an example of you know because look, i'm not going to pretend that guys that get doxed, especially guys that live in you know, I can only imagine what it's like if you get doxed and you live in like Portland or something right, i'm sure that it is a little bit more harrowing, but where i'm at, nobody cares.
I got some dirty looks.
Uh, there's.
There was when we were looking at the Reddit thread about me.
There was somebody who goes to my gym that was commenting about me.
And I've made it a, we figured out who he was.
I've made a point of just like staring at him every once in a while.
And he does not look at me anymore, but he's never once confronted me.
You're chatty.
You might have a future in podcasting if you keep it up if you apply yourself, big guy.
I'm going to do my best.
To Sam's point, that was my number one concern.
I really thought we were going to get a brick through the window or swastikas painted in the driveway or something like that, but it never happened.
Whatever that says about where we lived or where I worked, I think that was a factor.
Of course, there was the neighborhood hate has no home here signage campaign, which was uncomfortable at first, and then it kind of became a running joke.
Another thing you did, Gordon, that I had to ask about is you stood up and I guess local media contacted you, a local TV station reporter, and asked you to do an interview.
And we were going back and forth on this, not just you and me, but a bunch of guys.
And I hope I wasn't wrong, but at the time I said, you know, you're well spoken.
Stand up and do it.
You know, you say, not being able to or choosing not to do all those interview requests when it happened to me for numerous reasons.
My family, number one, not wanting to fan the fires.
But you stood up and did that interview and did a damn good job.
Any impressions from that?
And I hope you don't regret it.
I don't regret it.
So I got contacted within a couple of days of the Vice article dropping.
And, you know, I told the guy, it was Cordell Wright, I think his name was.
He's this very like Chad, blonde-haired, blue-eyed guy with Dakota News Now, which is a local ABC affiliate, if I remember correctly.
And, you know, he asked, he wanted to do an interview.
He wanted to talk to me about it.
And he wanted to do it in the Walmart parking lot, which I immediately refused because that's just like, I don't know why he thought that was a good interview spot.
Maybe trying to pigeonhole you as like low class.
Maybe, maybe it's your natural habitat.
That's clearly what he was going for.
He wanted to portray you in that backdrop.
I do think that he was trying to give it like make it like a public location, right?
But who knows?
Maybe that was it.
The reason that I'm not willing to say that's exactly what it was is because the guy was very genuine.
If you look at the interview that was released, which I think I did post to the channel and I think it's on my Odyssey channel, actually.
I, you know, the interview, he interviewed me for about 20 minutes.
He let us, I told him I would only do it if I was allowed to record my own copy to use as I saw fit.
And he said, totally fine, no issue with that.
Had a buddy come and record with a cell phone.
Audio quality wasn't great, but you could very clearly hear what was being said.
Very windy day.
It was very windy and it was outside, but you could hear what was being said, right?
And if you compare the interview, the interview they released with the footage that I have, nothing is cut out of context.
There's a lot of stuff that is cut.
Anytime I mention how this is being done because I am white and it wouldn't have happened to a Black Lives Matter supporter, that was all cut.
Anything like that was removed.
But they didn't misrepresent anything that I said.
They didn't like, you know, say, have me say something and then cut to like footage from American History X or something or like whatever, which is what a lot of people were saying was going to happen.
And I put himself up for failure.
And I took a, and I will say, I considered it and my reasoning was this is a small local news station.
The guy doing the interview is mostly known for like covering football games.
He's, he's not an ideological actor.
Professional hatchet job.
Yeah.
It wasn't vice news.
Yeah.
And when he released the footage, they had also interviewed the local president of like the only synagogue in South Dakota, the one in Sioux Falls.
And, you know, she was, ah, it's so hateful.
He's a danger to my 15-year-old Jewish son.
And the funny thing was when it got ready.
Central casting.
Yep.
Yeah.
Everybody said, you know, this makes you look great.
You look like a normal person who is being ill-treated.
And then they have this insane Yenta coming on to scream about you.
And I have only gotten a few comments about that interview.
And all of them were from not our guys, non-ideological, like, you know, normie white folks.
And all of them said the same thing.
They said, you know, you have a lot of good points.
You know, yeah, how come you can have black pride, but not white pride?
How come you can do Black Lives Matter, but not White Lives Matter?
And then my favorite exact quote was, that weird hag they had after you came on, she just didn't get it, man.
What's with her?
Yeah, what's wrong about that lady?
Hats off, Gordon.
When we watched it, we were like, oh man, the first thing was, you know, hey, going on a TV interview that you know is going to be beamed to the local area at minimum, not to mention all your pals and your enemies is kind of stress inducing.
And you were totally calm and confident.
And a bunch of us, maybe it was just myself.
I was like, that was kind of boring.
You know, like the guy didn't know how to ask really challenging probing questions or gotchas.
And you had our not standard talking points or genuine talking points, right?
It's like, you know, we've heard that before.
Guys, you know, confident, calm man, local man expresses our talking points on the local news.
So I just wanted to congratulate you, buddy.
You did great.
And we'll put that in the show notes for the audience to listen to, too.
And I guess you don't regret it.
No.
I mean, the only downside was that they didn't actually publish the interview for almost a month.
I had actually thought they just weren't going to publish it for exactly the reasons you said.
Like I assumed that he took that back to his producers or whatever.
And can I work with this?
Shlomi Silverstein or whoever was like, oh, Ave, we can't possibly use this.
And he wasn't a knuckle-dragging, slobbering fool.
I will admit that the one downside was because I had been giving it time to cool off before I started looking for other work.
Right.
And then they dropped that interview and it did cost me a couple of jobs that I think I would have gotten because literally I was just finishing the interview when that dropped.
You know what I mean?
And then a couple of days later, I get a email.
Oh, we've decided to pursue a different candidate at this time or whatever.
But, you know, it was a temporary setback.
You know, I've since found work.
And I'm actually probably going to be getting a better job very soon here, possibly even a better one than the one I had at Bell.
So I'm not super concerned about that one way or the other.
And, you know, I've known guys in my local area who got doxxed years ago, like around Seaville.
And, you know, they did not have a network of people behind them.
They didn't have, you know, I mean, obviously as a niche micro E-celeb, I have a little bit of a leg up on that than some people do.
I think a macro e-celeb, Gordon.
You're not a microbiotra.
But, you know, like, it's a lot different now than it was even a few years ago.
And I think that, again, people are always like, oh, the dox doesn't mean anything.
Well, no, it does mean something.
Like, you're going to get, you're probably going to get fired if you get doxed, like unless you have a very specific sort of job.
Right.
But I don't think that it's the end of the world.
And I don't think it ever really was necessarily.
You know, I think it shouldn't be for any for anyone.
Yeah.
I think that our guys, I think our guys put it way more.
They make it more of a demon than it is.
And, you know, for me, the hardest part was just kind of dealing with, like, it made things kind of uncomfortable with my family for a little while.
And then eventually I met with them in person and we kind of talked it out.
And like I said, they don't, they're not like on board or anything, but they were like, well, whatever, you know what I mean?
And then kind of just like, it's just, it's just that weird thing that Riggan does.
Like, we don't have to, whatever.
It's just him.
Hey, I've been chopping Rolo's docs for months now.
No, I want, I just want to see how he responds to it if he stands up, but nobody's like, I'm just not that important.
But that's, that's the thing, though.
And I think that that's, you know, I kind of said that in, um, I eventually did an interview with the American Free Press.
And I told that guy asked, like, what would I say to people in the same situation?
And it's, they do this because they want, they want you to like curl up in a ball and like say you're sorry and like try to like avoid, as they like kick you in the ribs or like whatever like terrible thing that they imagine is going to happen.
And if you respond with like lol lmao, even right, then suddenly there really isn't a whole lot for them to do.
And uh, the most recent thing that they ever did was uh uh they they, uh.
Anonymous comrades collective circled back and saw that I posted some things about uh, Uncle A on april 20th and were pointing and sputtering that I was still around doing that.
I guess, there you go.
Well, you know, it's like Andy Warhal once said, everybody will be famous for 15 minutes.
And so yeah, you could.
You could even say some really heinous thing, you know some outrageous thing, and then, guess what, after a little bit of time, no one will even remember your name or what it was and you know, a year from now, people will be like yeah what, what was that guy?
Who is that guy?
So yeah, you know you have to have the, the constitution, to be like, all right, this may happen, or this will happen, if that's more helpful to you.
This will eventually happen and i'm not gonna, you know, cry myself to sleep every night.
I'm gonna take lookout for physical safety, which is always the most important thing.
Yes, I will be able to get more employment.
Yeah, I should probably have some savings and have some backup plans available.
And uh, life goes on.
It's easier in some ways, it's harder in some ways.
It never truly goes away uh, so plan accordingly.
Yeah, I mean to have your true beliefs connected to your name and face is not, and should not be the end of the world.
And uh, I I salute Gordon Sincerely for handling it about as good as anybody could possibly have asked them to, probably one of the best uh that i've seen.
Uh, we have not even gotten to any dad content and we're running near the break here.
On the first half Gordon, I had to ask the real reason that you're on the show, Good Lord, uh is because you had some I would just say, real talk in the chat the other day about it was, or just today about the, our effectiveness and whether we think we're the center of the universe and the bigger trend of things, and I don't want to mischaracterize you.
So, if you want to synthesize that briefly.
Just the point that you were making, I think even if I don't 100 agree with it needs to be shared, sure.
So the conversation was kind of just in general about um, you know how many people with w?
WN or racialist beliefs or whatever, right?
Like, I think it was originally because there was some article that dropped where some like Libtard claimed that there were 7,000 Patriot Front members in Tennessee.
Just Tennessee.
Definitely a low ball.
Yeah.
She way low.
Yeah.
I mean, honestly, yeah.
Like, you know, but yeah, and a discussion came about of like how many like active people are there, right?
Because obviously there have been all kinds of studies released.
I think something like 20% of Americans have beliefs that could be categorized as white nationalist.
Right.
Upward of half of Republican voters, maybe closer to 60%, agree with, you know, whites are being dispossessed and oppressed.
Yeah.
Well, and they might, and they might not be like card-carrying national socialists or something, right?
That's usually kind of the difference, but they are at least racially conscious at some bare minimum level.
Yeah.
Well, you always hear these polls that Jews put out, like, how many people don't believe in the Holocaust or question it or think, you know what I mean?
They'll have like several different ways to answer.
And then it's like, yeah, you see, 70% of people don't fully believe in it.
Exactly.
And so the conversation was kind of just like, how many of us are there?
My personal assertion is that there are not a ton of active, like white nationalists or whatever in organized groups.
I think that there's probably, it's not like nothing, right?
But if you look at, if you look at what you get in in real life actions, I think as far as I am aware, Patriot Front is the largest in real life group in terms of activism, both in how much they've done.
They routinely, I used to, on my website, actually, I used to track every month the amount of activism being done by Patriot Front at the time, the American identity movement and the 100 handers were like the three big groups at the time.
And after Patriot Front was routinely outpacing everyone else by like a hundred actions, like just in the Midwest alone, I kind of gave up because it was like very clear who was winning this.
Like, because I was doing it, like, who's going to win this month?
It's like, okay, whatever.
Right.
And that's not like a, you know, obviously good for them.
They, they've gotten, they've done DC marches where, as I understand it, you're looking at at least like a couple hundred men, right?
Those are, as I'm aware, the largest in real life activism examples that we have in the last decade or so, besides like something like Charlottesville.
Right, which is not a huge number of guys, contra or local gumshoe estimator.
Sure.
7,000 in Tennessee.
But the big, yeah, the bigger point.
Yeah.
And, anyways, the larger point that I had was that I think that we tend to overestimate our own importance in terms of direct influence over basically anything.
If you look at, you know, if you look at like Telegram subscribers, which isn't a great metric, but it is a metric, right?
Some of the largest WN like media Telegram channels have, I think Patriot Front has 20,000 subscribers, right?
We live in a country of 333 million people.
I crunched the numbers.
And if you look at, you know, like the combined total of several large Telegram channels of subscribers, it's like 0.0006% of white males ages like 15 to 60 in America, right?
It's very small.
And that, that, again, doesn't mean that anything that we do doesn't matter or whatever.
But what it does mean is real talk.
Yeah sorry, I was just saying yeah.
I think if say, a group that you're with like suffers some kind of setback or, you know, something doesn't turn out the way you want it to, or whatever um, it's very clear to me that things are moving in a, if not national, socialist direction, they are moving in a more racially aware direction.
Um, you have guys like you know, Matt Walsh, who is a like Jew Owned, I mean is, is I don't even he's not Jewish, I don't think, but I don't recall.
Um no, but like Matt Walsh is like very clear, like Jewish owned, like I, it doesn't he work for Ben Japiro or did at some point, but he's, he's explicitly talking about white replacement.
Um, he's talking like they, like this has happened over the last couple of years.
You've seen this shift where like, these neoconservative types are forced to talk about things we were talking about years ago and we can take some of that credit right, but it's also just reality.
You know, the same way that we woke up is, you know, it's like major for me.
Yeah, it's a sea change.
You know it's.
It's a change in momentum.
Yeah, for many, many reasons it's.
I think we were saying this before we were recording.
You know, I think every white nationalist in America could be banned tomorrow and I think that it would maybe slow the roll of whatever is happening for a little bit, but it's not going to stop it.
They can't because there's it's not even an issue of like, because I know some guys like, oh, they just hate us so much that they can't.
I think that there's the like.
If you look at the geopolitical angle to this right, if you look at what's happening between the United States and China and Russia and all these other groups, it doesn't matter what they do as domestic policy in the United States anymore.
Um, they could, they could like do something totally based tomorrow and it probably wouldn't like slow it down enough to matter at a global level.
And that was kind of.
All I was trying to say was that we, I think, get very wrapped up in what's happening on the internet.
Who said who to what about this?
Who is doing x or y?
Um, all of this stuff um, you know, i've always made it very clear, Americonter.org is a entertainment website.
I do it because the people that listen enjoy it and if it can be used like, you know, if I, if I can do an art, an episode about something, and you can share it to that buddy of yours who, like you know, kind of seems on the path but like, maybe doesn't quite get the get what's going on or whatever.
Great, if.
If all that you want, if all it's good for is, you know uh, a bunch of our guys get to tune in on fridays and I play music for them and we all just have a good time.
That's totally fine with me too.
I'm not expecting to change the world with my website, you know what I mean, and I think that it's important to have realistic expectations and goals.
We are a movement that cannot, as of yet, provide any sort of physical benefit to anyone.
Um, you know, if guys get big picture yeah, of course we do a lot of good work, but behind the scenes sure, charity support yeah sure sure sure, sure.
Obviously yeah, like there there are things that we can do there but, like you know, we can't.
You know uh, you don't get rewarded for being in our thing.
You can be, you can have, you can have the things that are taken away from you offset right, you can have.
Um, you know, people will support you when you are in your desperate need, like they did for me right, which I have always deeply appreciated.
But at some point it's like well, you know, there's only so much to go around, there's only so much attention to go around frankly right, and at some point you're going to have to.
You're not going to see millions of dollars raised for one of us the way you would see for, for example, for that gentleman that uh put down that uh, violent hobo in the New York subway.
Yes yeah, when you become a conservative cause celeb, then you rake in the millions because there's just more of them.
There's just more of them.
And there's two things like I I agree with you and I guess I disagree with part of it.
I mean part.
I mean, you know, we've talked about this before, but the reason that they suppress us and don't allow us to have platforms is because they are deeply afraid of actual true, genuine pro-white sentiment with, in tandem with the Jewish awareness getting anywhere near the surface.
So they they, they know that they can play whack-a-mole uh, because they know that we're not wealthy, they know that we're numerous but that the problem points are more or less manageable.
Of course, they do the off the off-ramp options.
You know, Dinesh D'Souza, just the other day dropped, you know Black Iq statistics.
And then yeah, that they're doing the somebody.
Somebody said that you got, I mean, he is an Aryan right, you know yeah, base non-white GOP candidates.
Like clearly, if it's not completely an op, like it's in the back of somebody's mind with a fat checkbook that yes, we would rather have this Indian man uh, making these points than a Germanic, you know, fire breather, doing it for us uh, and to your point too like, if you're like stressed out about the movement or the cause or your black poll or whatever, you just log out a telegram, a lot of these things go.
I always say this.
I always say this, the movement is, in my opinion, not doing so hot right, but the cause is doing perfectly fine.
Um, I don't think that they're, you know, the movement is these organizations, these individual people, you know these uh, personalities on the internet, whatever.
Um I, I think it's undeniable that our reach has been significantly curtailed, both because we are actively censored and hunted down right, like we, you know, are.
Some of our guys are on twitter now but um, you know clear, i'm sure just, no matter how quote unquote based Elon Musk may or may not be, if you got, you know, a couple hundred thousand subscribers or something on twitter, like it would be taken away, right.
But on the other hand, accounts and did I?
I tried guys, I tried to appeal a couple old accounts, couldn't get them back.
So if I come back, i'm gonna have to rebrand or do something under the radar.
Go ahead, sorry.
On the on the other hand well, on the other hand, if our people want to have serious influence, if our people want to tell the Normie like, how to think or whatever, I see all this frustration about how like, normies just need to like, get in line, they don't get it right.
Uh, they're not gonna do that.
If you are just posting, like you know uh, questionable memes on telegram um, and it's probably not gonna work, even if you do go on twitter, because even if you are able to get on there, you're not gonna get a following that's as big as you might have gotten in, like 2015.
uh it's they have perfected these things so that i i saw elon musk was saying that uh they were sharing that movie uh like what is a woman and uh it got like re-censored and now it's being shared in a way that it will not show to anybody except people that follow the daily wire So that because Musk's whole thing is we're not going to censor things.
We're just going to make sure that people only see stuff if they actively look for it, which is censorship.
I mean, it's, you know what I mean?
Like if you have to track it down, it's not being served to you like everything else is, that's your censoring.
You're, you're throttling that particular thing.
My argument is I think that our guys will be a lot better served, you know.
talking to that guy at work who seems based, but like kind of has some of his facts wrong or whatever, and getting him to be your bro than they would like giving more hot takes in a telegram chat.
Or do both.
Yeah, you can.
Or like, look, obviously you can do both.
Listen, like, you know, I personally, as long as you agree with my takes, I don't care how many hot takes you give.
I think that's perfectly fine.
But no, but yeah, it's just, that's my thing on it.
I think that when guys get like really worked up over things that are happening in the movement, they're making a mistake.
And maybe it's, maybe it's the Christian perspective.
I don't know, because like I do honestly believe, you know, like they could kill me tomorrow.
They could, you know, they could rotate me on a spit if they could find one sturdy enough, right?
And they could rotate me on that spit and cook me alive like that patron saint of chefs, you know, and it wouldn't matter because St. Lawrence.
Yes.
And it wouldn't, and it wouldn't matter because the situation is in such a way that it's going to change.
Again, it might not be the fourth Reich.
It's probably, in my opinion, what we're looking at is something closer to a sort of like military junta, like some kind of, you know, more based version of what you might have seen in America in like the late 18, like the late 19th century or something.
Right.
And it's probably not going to be as racial as we want it to be.
But I also don't let the enemy be or don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
That's kind of always been a philosophy of mine.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with guys that want the more explicitly ideological thing.
I think that the goal would be to have a more pragmatic system of government that isn't full of homosexuals and pedophiles with our guys being the right wing of that.
You know what I mean?
Go ahead, Sam.
Yeah.
Well, I like to emphasize to people that you may not appreciate the progress that has been made.
We've never been more connected with each other.
There's never been more of us than now.
There's never been a more active movement than now.
So I can remember back when I was a teenager or a young man and how hard it was to buy a book or a record or to network with even a handful of people.
And now, thanks due in large part to technology.
I like to compare like we had the Stone Age, Bronze Age, the Iron Age, Silicon Age.
Well, when technology changes, it changes the course of history.
And now we have all have this thing in our pocket, a cell phone where we can all connect with each other.
And we're all in multiple groups and even focused on different things.
Like myself, I'm in Christian identity groups.
I'm in Latin mass groups.
I'm in the full house groups and other groups.
It doesn't matter.
And so we're attracting more people and better people than ever.
And it recalls to me a bit of like a Nazi poster from Third Reich era.
And it said, if we have, if we have each other, we have everything.
And that's the one thing that they would most like to deprive us of is each other.
And because we're connected, not only all of us as men, but families and women and things like that, we have this society that we're we have made already.
It's not we're making it.
We've made already this parallel society in ways we help each other.
We do business with each other.
Somebody.
posts in the chat, hey, I'm moving on Saturday.
Can somebody help me?
Guess what?
A bunch of guys show up with a truck and they help you.
So in a lot of ways, the most important things we have won already.
And those things will be part of this momentum that ultimately they must, people are going to just have to say, well, there's nothing we can do about these guys.
We have to just accept them.
Amen, Sam.
Yeah, I think the big picture stuff going on in America from the border to the culture, et cetera, is going, of course, still in a largely negative direction.
More of our people are waking up at any time.
Just a couple of quick points here because you guys raised a lot of points there and that were thought-provoking.
Social media works.
It unquestionably works.
It's the quickest, easiest way to get our ideas in front of millions of eyeballs.
Obviously, it's a lot harder on Telegram to do that than it was on Twitter or Facebook, et cetera.
But at the same time, the hazard of that is that it gives you an inflated self sense of both self-importance as well as impact.
Just because you score a banger on a social media post does not equate into world-changing, epoch-changing dynamics, which I was guilty of, you know, Twitter was so big.
Yeah, yeah, we're going to keep powering through on Twitter.
Hey, a lot of people woke up on Twitter, but that doesn't translate into diddly squat if you don't also do the work IRL.
And what this decade feels like is a little bit like I imagine the 70s felt to 60s hippies.
You know, they had their summer of love.
Perhaps we had our summer of hate in 2017.
But, you know, this is, you know, we had our upspringing in 2015, 2017, 2018.
And the big part of that is because we thought that we were doing something with an upswell of political power in Trump.
And when that turned out to be a damp squib at best, then it all kind of deflated, not to mention our lack of solidarity and our absolute willingness to go at each other's throats at the drop of a hat or the slightest insult.
I think we're all guilty of that to an extent.
All right.
Rolo is about.
Oh, yeah.
Please have.
If I could just say one thing, and I do want to, because yeah, I'm not trying to be like doom and gloom about this.
Like I want to be, I want us to have like a realistic expectation of like what we personally directly do.
But I will say very clearly, things are moving in our direction in a lot of ways.
Recently, a local guy in my area, he's been talking to a guy, a friend of his at work who's like a libertarian sort of.
And, you know, he's been giving him like our guy books.
He directed him to like some of our guys' stuff, you know, like and you know, they've just been talking and talking.
And then he basically just came out to him as a white nationalist and the libertarian guy was like, I can respect that.
I get where you're going with that.
And then he was like, you want to meet my buddies?
I have some friends that kind of say stuff you say.
And it turns out this guy knows like six or seven people in like this area that we had no contact with previously, right?
Because they don't listen.
They don't listen to podcasts and they're not on Telegram, but they're around.
And that's kind of more what I'm saying is that we need to be less inward focused, less navel-gazely, a little less focused on like tweaking and perfecting.
Like, you know, what's the, what's the ideological implications of Matt Walsh saying something pro-white on Twitter?
Maybe, instead of caring so much about that, you should like talk to that guy that your neighbor is like constantly, like you know, working on his patunas.
Maybe he's like a cool guy and maybe he knows some people.
You probably have a better chance.
And this is happening throughout the country, you know, multiplied by many thousands of times a day.
And I had a beautiful moment uh, the other day.
This guy was somehow we got on to talking about Mein Kampf.
He's asking me about it and I said well, I don't know, read it and you tell me where it's wrong.
And so he, he goes on Amazon and he dials up Mine Kampf and then it says, I on there, a portion of this uh percentage will be donated to the Jewish FUND OF BLAH blah, blah.
So he was like, what, how could that be?
You know it was a.
It was the perfect teachable moment.
There you go yeah, remember guys, that uh, for decades probably closer to a century if we're going back uh, to Rockwell, and maybe even uh, you know, the JOHN Birch Society.
The emphasis was on on the light, not in any cult sense, but just this is happening.
You need to be aware of it.
You need to know who's doing it why and what the implications are.
And on that metric, I think Glr and William Luther Pierce and many others would be very happy with the direction things are going.
Translating awareness into effectiveness and turning things around is a whole nother beast.
And of course uh, Chris Catwell's been doing a lot of thinking on doing that, whether you agree with him or not.
But that's that's right now.
I I actually agree a lot with Cantwell personally, but yep, he's been.
Yeah, whether you agree with him or not, he has been putting in the work.
Check him out too at Surrealpolitik or Surrealpolitiques.com.
We, we didn't even get to half of my damn notes here, let alone Sam or Rollo's stuff.
You stick around for a little bit longer.
Second half, yeah, of course, all right, good stuff right yeah uh, for the break this week, in keeping with I, was going to do more family and summer content in the first half, but we got a Gabby guts on our hands.
I'm gonna have to uh gag him for the second half.
Just kidding, from 1976, don't put me with a good time.
Oh god, don't go there can of words from 1976, almost almost half yeah, you and uh no, I won't say, don't worry, i've never been to Thailand.
I was gonna talk about the time i've been to Thailand a couple times.
All right, from 1976 yeah no, it might.
You know, my wife and I even went to one of those like places where, uh well, we went into a bar.
You know it was 20 years.
It was like it's not too late, it's not too late.
No, we were in a bar where they had girls like dancing on the stage.
They were clothed but they had numbers on their like skirts or whatever.
So guys, now it.
Now it was not overtly like a, we wouldn't go into a sex club or a den of prostitution, but I was going to share.
I was like son of a gun when we were there.
I remember being really grossed out that they had these like pretty Thai girls.
I'm sure they were of age, I hope they were of age and like bro, those expressions are exactly how I think every customer, I can't see it.
No, the customers could be like I want number 14, and I think I even joked with my wife.
I was like let's just pick number two and no, but I even joked with my wife at the time.
I was like let's pick, like number 22 and just like have her come hang out with us and, like you know, have drinks and like have her show us around town.
You know, spare sparrows, the horror anyway.
That's the most grisly story I have from my many nights in Bangkok.
Regardless, I want to go out on a happy, cheerful summertime note.
And from 1976, almost half a century ago now, this is Gordon Lightfoot with Summertime Dream.
We'll be right back with Gordon.
Call Sam Rollo and lots more in the second half.
Don't go anywhere where the road runs down by the butternut road to old Bill Skinner Stream.
You tell at the noonday bell it's time for a summertime dream.
In a lunch pail down in a one-horse way you can live like king and queen.
Let's steal away.
In the noonday sun.
It's time for a summertime dream.
Birds in all creation will be twittering in the trees and down below the pond.
It's women in it, if you come
It's time for a summertime dream down to Wonderland in love, among the flowers, where time gets lost and those troubles tally to old Billskinner
Stream.
You tell at the noonday bell.
It's time for a summertime dream, for a summer shop.
Birds in all creation will be twittering in the trees and down below the pond.
I know you can swim it if you please.
So if you come around when the mill shuts down, you can see what chivalry means.
Steal away in the noonday sun.
It's time for a summertime dream, for a summer shop.
And welcome back to Full House.
Episode 160, 60 Gordon Lightfoot respectors.
We are here and we are also Gordon Call respectors.
That just came to me.
Gordon, brave man, the brave proprietor of a public telegram chat.
He may have bats in the belfry.
I don't know what he's thinking about there.
It's caused some problems in the past, but hey, you know, whatever.
Public chat.
Full house comment zone is not actually a, it's public, but it's not intended to be a chat.
It's more like the response section of Twitter, which old grandpa here is more familiar with.
However, it does turn into, and any open internet area will turn into a pissing match given enough time.
Had a lot of talk with Gordon there, and I do want the audience to know that when you go through something like a dox, that is a test of a man.
And Gordon stood the test.
I mean, that 100% sincerely, I'm not being cheeky here.
And he deserves a lot of credit and a lot of respect in addition to all of his other attributes, even though we talked for probably half an hour.
These Gabby Guts would have been good content, but we were on the break.
Everything from little mermaid to industrial music to more of our carry-on conversation from the first half.
And I think one of the takeaways is that we just need to be perhaps have a little more humility or a little bit more modesty about our role in all this.
Now, I could see some of the audience saying, no, no, we need to be stronger and harder and make ourselves out to be more important and then become important.
Yes, that's true.
But for most people, this stuff goes to their heads.
And in terms of those numbers that we talked about, another thing is how many guys have come in full steam, guns ablazing metaphorically, and then they bomb out for one reason or another, whether it's a dox, whether it's interpersonal conflict, whether it's disagreements.
We've had probably as many people cycle through and then say, you know what?
I haven't changed my mind, but I am going on about my life minus this optional thing.
It's still optional.
That's the other, of course, old adage that things just aren't bad enough for most people.
And another good thing that was discussed during the break that I think also harkens back to Cantwell was, you know, Rollo saying most people still get their news from, at best, Ben Shapiro's and the Matt Walsh's and the Daily Wires and the Dinesh D'Souza's.
I know, seems crazy to me how they can't see through it.
Don't get it.
But I was there at one point.
Gordon, of all people, was a Bernie bro.
So be patient, be steadfast, carry on, and I'll stop lecturing there.
New white life.
I got one in the inbox and it's a nice one.
And here we go.
Hello, gents.
I'd like to let you know my wife and I had our daughter born in April just before our uncle's birthday.
This will be our third.
I've been a listener for only a year and would like to thank you all for the wholesome, uplifting content you put out.
Baby and mom are doing great and we're aiming for at least two more, which would bring it up to five for this freaking family.
Hail Victory and hail our people.
And I look forward to further correspondence.
Respectfully, get in the van.
Okay.
Good one.
Get in the van.
And Mrs. Get in the van.
Is he pretending to be a fed there or a pervert?
I don't know which one is.
Probably just to say that to his big family that he's making.
There you go, Sam.
My mind is in the gutter and you're like, yeah, get in the van.
We got to get to church.
Bunch of rights.
And all feds are perverts.
Let's be realistic.
There you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Van, Van.
Yeah, yeah.
Both ways.
Realist or feds.
Feds are all antifur.
Anti-par journalism.
I remember that song from Octung American or was that the opener?
That was an opener.
It's been an opener, an outro.
I've played it in the middle of things.
Like it kind of just goes all over the place.
Shout out, Gilbert.
Thank you very much for that, brother.
When you're in the mood.
Very good.
Sam Gordo Rolo, any new white lives lives in your stacks?
I got none.
Dry, dry week.
All right.
Well, more credit to get in the van.
Thank you very much, buddy.
We are sticking with the inbox because we got a really, I'll say it's a good question because I suspect that this applies to many, if not a lot, I don't know, certain element of our audience.
And I think this is probably a common phenomenon.
Anyway, I'll stop with the lead in and just get to it.
I am in a miserable, loveless marriage, but it's my duty as a man to stick with it for the sake of my children.
Correct?
Question mark.
Some of the problems, not money.
We have that.
The wife gained about 70 pounds since we got married.
You put in parentheses, I gained 15.
She's always tired.
She never dresses to impress.
I do, and I still hit the gym regularly.
After 10 years of refusing, I caved and let the family get a dog because thanks COVID, I could work from home.
I hate the dog, biggest mistake ever.
I can't work with the dog and the kids around.
Kids are middle school aged.
I told the wife it's either me or the dog, and the wife said, we're not getting rid of the dog.
Do I stay miserable for the kids?
A miserable dad isn't a very fun dad.
And I responded and asked for a couple of clarifications.
And he said, they're both early 40s.
Kids are in good public schools, 95% white, but they come home as early as 2.30.
And they have been married for 15 years.
And I'll just leave off the attribution on that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Get rid of that dog for sure.
Oh, you know, you're the man.
You're the man of this house.
Get rid of the dog.
And then let's just see how, you know, who's going to go.
What's the Assad meme, right?
Who's going to go?
Who must go?
Who must go?
Yeah.
So that's number one.
And the other things, the weight and all that, I don't know.
There's too many unknown things.
Have you tried plying her with red wine?
I find that you get pretty far that way, you know?
And, you know, I think he shows a little assertiveness.
Get rid of the dog and put your foot down and you'll see that the wife will get in line.
And as far as being overweight and all that, I don't think that really matters as much as people think.
I think this guy could set the tone right.
And, you know, the other thing is the kids are of a certain age now.
You know what?
They're going to grow up somewhat in a few years.
You're going to feel like you have more freedom and the wife will have a little more freedom and they could do things together.
So hang in there.
Definitely hang in there.
You know, marriage is about ups and downs.
I've been married now 20 years to the same woman and 12 years before that.
So that's 32 years.
And you just have to hang in there.
And things change.
You know, things don't just stay the same way.
If you're in a bad spot at the moment, that doesn't mean it will stay that way.
So hang in there.
You know, I've been, I went through the spiritual exercises of St. Ignatius Loyola years ago, and I recently have been revisiting that.
And there's this idea of there's the consolation and the desolation.
We go through ups and downs.
Go through the time where it's easy to see the good things and easy to see the bright side and you enjoy the good parts of the of life better.
But then it turns and and then it seems like nothing can please you and nothing is satisfying.
So you know, the the thing is you never make big decisions when you're in that point of desolation and when you're in in a down period where it feels like maybe he wrote this letter in a in a state of being in that what they call desolation, the desolation is not going to last.
It doesn't last.
So you have to stay faithful during it.
Don't make any big decisions about, you know, because sometimes people say that's it, i'm quitting my job, or something like that, when they're, when they're in a, in a down period, the desolation.
No you, you never make those big decisions when you're in that point.
You wait till you're in a period of consolation when you can think more clearly, and then you make those types of decisions if necessary.
But hang in there.
Uh, it will not last.
You know, because there's there's natural things uh, there's.
There's uh natural, uh motivations in humankind, man for woman and woman for man.
It's there.
These are just things that go.
It's just like being hungry right, you have a big meal and then you're not hungry for a while.
Or maybe you're sick and you don't have much of an appetite, but guess what eventually, like clockwork, the appetite's going to return.
So hang in there.
Let me uh hop in here.
Thank you Sam, I agree with I, I think, everything that you said.
When I first read this, my instant response was, no, this is not divorce material.
Sorry bub, like your wife gained weight and is a little bit difficult and is tired and you got a pain in the ass.
Dog like, get the hell out of here.
Absolutely not.
Uh, the fact that he wrote i'm in a miserable, loveless marriage, that and i'm sticking to that original point i'm not budging on that.
Uh yes, even even if it's a miserable, loveless marriage and she's a total uh, you know, just sack of uh misery, then battle axe.
That's what I was going for.
Thank you, Sam.
Uh then yes, still stick with it.
For the kids, absolutely.
You think your kids are going to be happier with uh, maybe sad, miserable dad or only seeing dad on the weekends or every other week or something.
Get out of here.
Uh I, I couldn't imagine, I mean what they get.
Like a little dog that like craps and pisses all over the house.
Like it's a dog, you know, stick it outside.
Although good point about being more assertive um, you know, is she gonna divorce him because he got rid of the dog?
I yeah, i'd call her bluff on that one.
Yeah sure, that that's.
That's a good tactical suggestion.
And if she does, then we get to the root of the problem, that, oh boy, this really is on a bag of sand, but Crimea river um, oh.
And the other thing I wanted to say here too is like, like i'm going to say like this is a common thing.
No, my wife has not gained weight.
My wife is actually thinner today than she was when I married her and is quite lovely.
But like your wife gaining weight and being a little bit testy and being tired all the time, it was either Gordon or Rolo who said like, yeah, she's in her 40s.
Like she's maybe starting to enter menopause, you know, a big deal.
Hey, they gain weight.
Guess what?
The boobs get bigger.
And the butt too.
And hey, if you're going, you know, and is it, is it salvageable?
Can you turn it around?
Like America, you know, is she America?
Can it be turned around or can it not be?
I don't know.
Try going for walks with her or talk.
I don't know.
But like, you know, also you're partially in control.
If you're working from home, you've got control over the fridge and maybe you're doing the grocery shopping.
Try to, you can try to slim down wifey a little bit that way.
But it sounds like wifey's just being a battle axe and he doesn't like it and he's getting fed up about it and he knows you'll feel guilty if he leaves because of the kids.
Show show leadership.
Like you say, maybe you go do the shopping.
All of a sudden, there's a lot of fruits and vegetables.
You know, there's no snack food.
There's no soft drinks.
Yeah.
It's like Berenstein Bears had a book about that.
Too much junk food.
I was reading that to Junior or sorry, to potato the other day.
I was like, yeah, you know, like a whole family was getting fat and the mom was like, no, that's because everybody's eating crap in this house.
Yeah.
I do think that there's something to be said.
And I don't know if maybe you guys have talked on this show or if it was being said on the fatherland, right?
Yeah.
But there's sort of like, if you're already at the point where you're, you know, writing anonymous tip lines about, you know, like, my, I am in this loveless, hate-filled marriage.
I can't stand this anymore.
You know, I'm thinking about.
Give me the approval to leave.
What I would say is like, don't necessarily leave because I do think divorce is wrong.
And like, you know, unless she's, you know, cheating on you or something, I really don't, he's kind of up the creek without a paddle.
But at that point, you might as well, I mean, you know, kind of taking it back to our conversation earlier, it's like, don't like back down.
Don't like curl up into a ball.
Just go for it.
Like Sam said, like, you know, it's like, oh, I hate this dog.
I wish we hadn't gotten it.
I want to get rid of it.
You say the dog's not leaving and implying I am.
I'm getting rid of this dog.
What are you going to do now?
Because what's the worst that's going to happen?
The worst that's going to happen is she initiates the thing that you're kind of already trying to have happen anyway.
Maybe if you assert yourself, and this is just, you know, I'm not one to give people relationship advice.
And I know, coach, you said don't caveat every single time.
I'm just going to say it once and like, oh, obviously, I'm not married.
I've never been married.
I've never had like a long-term serious relationship like that.
But in just regular interactions with people, which as far as I know, women are in fact people.
I've heard this from people, from other people.
I'm not sure.
Legend has it.
As a stone cold incel, I have some doubts on that.
But, you know, when dealing with people, if they're being like uppity, if you put your foot down, there is a tendency.
There's only two ways it can go.
One, she backs down and you assert some control over your life.
Two, she doubles down and then, you know, things happen the way that they happen.
You don't tell her you're going to get rid of the dog.
It's just one day the dog's not there.
It's like, hey, where's Fido?
Oh, I got rid of it.
You have exotic tacos that night for me.
And admittedly, I'm a little bit of a certain when it comes to like the dog question, but yeah, but that kind of thing, frankly.
And it's like, it's like Sam said.
Yeah, you know what?
We're not getting, I'm not buying little Debbie's anymore.
You know what I mean?
Like or whatever, like her favorite thing is or your favorite thing.
You know, you don't have to like be spiteful about it.
But, you know, like, that's probably, that's probably the exact wrong way to go.
You still have to show some amount of restraint and good, like good taste, right?
But you also have to just, you have to both say and do the masculine leadership thing.
Yeah, you say, hey, look, I got, I got these raw materials here.
We're going to make a great meal for tonight.
Come on, help me.
It'll be fun.
Here's the red wine.
Yeah.
And there's, there's things.
I don't know how big of an industry there is for like advice, especially in our cause or something, but there's, there's advice that sounds good in paper.
Like, well, encourage your wife to go, you know, go for a long walk with your wife.
It's like, that sounds like, you know, a reasonable suggestion or whatever, but there is also the possibility that she is a fat battle axe and like nothing is going.
How about chase her with a baseball bat?
Yeah.
Have her chase after the dog.
Yeah.
Let the let the dog loose and see if she see if she'll go run after the dog.
So yeah, my initial response to this guy was absolutely, you know, like America's got talent.
You get a big X.
No, you're not getting able to, you're not able to walk out of that.
But I can read between the lines.
He sent it at 8.30.
So it wasn't like he was up until 2 o'clock.
Like, let me email a full house and ask for help.
Unless he was, you know, in England or something.
It was two in the morning.
I've heard it all through the years from men and women.
And it's, it's like the same things over and over again.
Like a guy, I mean, it's sad.
Some of it, like the man says, I'm just not attracted to her.
I don't want to be with her anymore, something like that.
And it's, I say, well, okay, you're telling me that right now, but this is, this is a woman, right?
I mean, okay, so you've, you had, you found her, you courted her, you dated her, you asked her to marry you, you married her, you had children with her.
I mean, you got a lot in this already, right?
So now you're running into kind of like a difficulty.
We, we can't just say, oh, let's just throw all that away, you know, that there's, there's other ways around.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't care if you're not sad sack, you know, like the only reason I would divorce my wife is abuse, adultery, addiction, a harmful addiction, or whatever.
I think that's what I'm saying.
And not even like, like, like intractable, you know, right, right.
Like, like a, you know, yeah.
And so, you know, here you, you got the steering wheel with the kids in the back, you know, like those terrible junkies, you know.
Yeah, you get, you have a woman, you have a woman and she married you and, and, uh, you've had children with her.
Hey, you got to work on this.
You got to think like a man.
You got to think a little more carefully about this, not just you want to get out of this thing.
So there's ways around this.
And even, even if the thing like, oh, I'm just not attracted to her or something, it's built into us.
It's how do you think I've been married 20 years?
You know, yeah, there are, there are those moments where you're just not feeling it.
But guess what?
If you set up the right conditions, the feeling returns.
It's just like being hungry.
You can't promise to always be hungry.
You get hungry, you eat, and guess what?
You're not hungry for a while.
But inevitably, the hunger returns.
And sure, somebody might cite some kind of conditions that are outside of what I'm describing.
Yeah, there are other things.
There's health things and there's other more serious underlying issues and all that.
But I think the fundamentals of what I'm suggesting are correct.
That's right.
If our correspondent doesn't self-indulge for a week or more, then even shove you.
Yeah, start looking.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I know that makes it sound bad.
like, well, so you're just saying you'll screw anything if you're, if you're horny enough and hard up enough.
Well, yes, JPEG, that is exactly what Sam is saying.
And anybody who says otherwise is lying.
There is a little bit that to it.
You know, like I always use the example of our, you know, in our, maybe 100 years ago, 150 years ago, all of our ancestors were living in some kind of agricultural village or something like that.
You know, the only women you saw were women you were related to and your wife.
And there were, there was no pornography.
There was no TV.
There's no, you know, so the only woman you knew was your wife.
And so you worked hard.
And when it came time, as you had an urge to be with a woman, boom, there was your wife and she was there and she was good enough for you.
Is that kind of, you know, trying to downgrade things or degrade things or say that our wives are not beautiful and good enough on their own or something?
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm just, this is, I'm talking about the condition of humanity and this is how it really works.
Don't don't look at this disgusting movies and pornography and everything that's out there.
Keep yourself pure and you'll naturally have the urge to be with your wife and she'll be beautiful to you.
And, you know, it works both ways, of course, the man and the woman.
What the woman wants more than anything is to be wanted, you know, and when you show that to her, then she will respond.
And we, and we got a question in the inbox from a married woman shortly after this.
It clearly wasn't the wife.
But she says, you know, it's not for me to confirm that.
But the wife wants more and the husband is like not that into it.
So she was, and she had like certain peculiarities that she really wanted that he wasn't into.
Not necessarily kinks.
Yeah.
But she said it as she said it was not for the air.
And she said, maybe it's for Sam.
So Sam, I'm going to kick that one over to you.
We can't discuss it on air by her request, but a good reminder that there's a married woman saying, hey, you know, my husband, you know, I just want to get a little freaky sometimes and he's not so into it.
So yeah, yeah.
Speaking of getting a little freaky sometimes, Sam, congratulations on two decades married to your lovely wife, who, of course, I have met on many occasions, including at our homestead.
Go ahead, big guy.
And I don't know if you want to do highlights or lowlights or just, you know, lessons learned here a bit for the audience's benefit.
Yeah.
Well, I did want to offer just a few reflections.
I don't know if they're really very, you know, full of wisdom or anything like that.
But, you know, I hear about not only on the show, but people we know, and they talk about how they met and things like that, which is always a beautiful story.
And our situation was a little different, but I wanted to offer it just for that reason in that it may give people insight or inspiration or encouragement in some way.
Sure.
You know, I was married before and sadly went through a bad breakup or a sad, I should say more of a sad breakup just because of the other person, really.
You know, I'm somebody who certainly believes in marriage more than anything, but, you know, we go into details on that at some other time or somebody could go and read my autobiography or listen to other shows about that.
But at any rate, at the time that we were getting together, you know, I knew the woman who had become my wife from previous occasions.
She was raised with the Christian identity idea and I had gotten interested in that in the early and mid 90s.
And so we met at those events.
And so I knew her in a friendly way beforehand.
And then when things changed, well, she was in a place in her life where she had done the dating thing and had boyfriends and breakups and, you know, just.
was really tired of the dating game the way it is.
And when I met her, if my math and years are correct, she was about 28, which is kind of an age where you start to wonder like, am I going to get married?
Am I going to be able to have children?
You know, maybe you begin to justify in your mind, like, well, you know, marriage is not everything and stuff like that.
And quickly, I hope, I hope any women in the audience in their late 20s are not thinking that because they should not, but people start to think when they're 28 and 30 years old, hey, where is my life going here?
Especially for a woman.
And yeah, no one should ever think that it's game over.
And quickly, I wanted to say, and it's not to say that everyone must be married and everyone must be a family person and have children, because you can do a lot of other wonderful things in life as not a married person.
You have heard the saying, the grass is always greener on the other side.
Well, I like to say that there's green grass growing on both sides.
There are advantages and disadvantages of being married and advantages and disadvantages of being single.
They are just different issues.
So the thing is, even if you get married, guess what?
You're going to be with this woman, one woman, and you're not going to be banging every chick in town or anything like that.
So, you know, you're going to go from, if you're a single person, you're going to go from zero women.
And then if you're married, you're going to go, you have one, you know, you have one more than zero.
So it's not like you're living the wildlife, I guess is what I'm saying.
Yeah.
If you're single, you can always just go to Thailand, you know, I mean, there's no option.
Especially if you have a really open mind.
Whoa.
Yeah.
Rolo's still, Rolo's still angry about disabled.
Yeah.
What are you talking about?
Is that relevant to anything that had been said?
Well, well, anyways, you know, so my, my, before she was my wife, she was kind of just, she was almost in her mind, like, I'm done with dating and all that, you know, getting your heart broken, dealing with people who are not serious and all that.
And of course, I was coming out of this where, you know, I gone through a sad breakup and everything.
And, you know, it's just, I was very, very discouraged at the time.
I was 36.
I had six kids that, and I was, you know, paying child support and, you know, struggling and this and that.
Who's going to want to be with me?
You know, all those types of things.
But we just at the at the right moment, we started talking to each other.
And it was, it was just everything was go, you know, and I think that's one of the things to look for is when you find the right person, just everything's go, right?
And she was, she was of the mindset.
She was done, done with game playing and all those types of things.
She just wanted somebody who was serious.
And I was the same way.
I just was looking for somebody who wanted to be that serious person and go about the married life and family life.
And so that's how we got together.
It wasn't so much the, as you hear some other stories or people have a more uh, purely romantic way of getting together and, but you know, the the from the very first time, go ahead.
Sorry Sam, I just spurred the thought that in a world of cads and whores or at least yeah, the impression that everyone is a cad or a whore the sincere expression or proof that you want to settle down, get married and have a lovely, wonderful big family uh, could really be an ace up the sleeve.
I don't think that's like bs advice from grandpa here.
Uh no, that's exactly what i'm saying.
That's how to differentiate yourself.
Yeah, now Rollo and And Gordon can perhaps dispute that, but I yeah uh, be serious about it, you know, state your, state your intent and show that you're serious.
Yeah, but from the very first time.
You know we, we talked on the phone a little bit and and uh, she said well hey, i'd like to get out of town, i'd like to come and see you and all that.
And she had come and visited me back when I was with you know, my family, and everything.
And I yeah okay, she came out and and, just from right away, it was a very romantic feel to everything and and uh, it just took off.
You know, we talked on the phone every day and uh, it was just that, that feeling like hey, I can't live without, without you, or without even just talking to you.
And uh, it was about about a year and uh, we got married and and from from there was, you know, up till now, has been great uh, so I offer that, you know, exactly with the observations that you said.
You know, and like I say the, the long-term thing like oh, you know, people that are get concerned about oh, my wife, what if she gets fat, or something like that, in the long run those things do not matter.
In the long run, you have the natural human need for, for love and affection and sex and all those things.
That all just that all just comes along quite naturally, as long as no roadblocks get in the way.
You got to be able to see the roadblocks take them out of the way if they get in the way and uh, just realize that we're designed in a very beautiful way for love, for being needed and needing somebody, and for love and affection.
Amen Sam, here's the 20 more, raising my Miller light to you and Wifey.
Congratulations, you're right on big beautiful family.
Yeah, thank you, brother.
That reminds me of the tick tock video that we saw the other day of a married woman with her handy.
Sorry that that's a terrible segue.
It's a very clunky segue uh, but it's.
It's like the opposite of what I saw the other day of the married woman virtue signaling on tick tock about how her handicapped husband and her new husband or her new partner.
Oh god, I remember never thought that I could meet a man who would be so trusting of Brandon Brandon was the I know it's.
Somebody said that he got in a car accident, looked like he had advanced cerebral palsy or spina bifida or some you know, basically in a wheelchair, couldn't feed himself.
So there she is, tick tocking a video of her new Arian Chad feeding her original, still married husband.
And how wonderful it is.
And uh, I just wanted that, oh man, I wanted that guy in the wheelchair to summon the courage, reach into his pocket, pull out a gun and shoot him.
You know yeah like, as a man, i'm like.
Okay please honey, either smother me with a pillow or devote me with love.
And it was unclear whether uh, handicapped dad father, could express himself.
I'm having yes, this is wonderful that the new dude banging my wife is feeding me my mashed potatoes, but it was the.
It was the most wonderful thing and, of course, the feedback was that the women were like this is beautiful and wonderful, of course, because you know she's, you know she, she gets the virtue signal that she's still keeping the handicap uh, husband number one around while getting banged out by this new guy.
Uh but yeah well yeah, most of the things was like, please kill me if I ever get that way.
And uh honey yes, this is not gonna f and fly.
Yeah, it got my Irish up.
Well, the.
The thing is, nobody makes you take that vow for better or worse.
You know richer or poor, and it may happen, it may be for worse or it may be for poorer uh so uh, I think people, they take that vow thinking this is for their family or their friends, to admire them, or just they're just saying the words.
But uh, if you mean those words, you know, even if the situation should come up like what you described somebody has an accident or somebody has a condition you know that the god's grace works through that to enable you to fulfill your vows and and and even joyfully and in a way that's fulfilling to you.
So you have to do the right thing every time and and you will you will see that you'll have the strength to do it and the uh, the satisfaction of doing the right thing.
Going through a dox, I imagine, is similar to going through a divorce, that sort of pressure, the stress, am I doing the right thing?
How am I supposed to handle this?
Uh old pal, online pal, who I had lost contact with over the years?
Uh, just reached out the other day and uh, I had seen pictures of his uh lovely, wonderful family and I said please uh, tell your wife thanks for for this uh from years ago.
And he said yeah, about that we're, we're on the rocks.
It's looking like we might be headed for Splitsville uh, and I was kind of shocked, I was surprised and it just reminded, you know, it can just like a dox can happen to anybody and upset your life in one moment.
Uh, this you know, out of left field, wifey wants to change direction or has a midlife crisis, or something like that can happen.
I don't know if it can happen to any of us uh, but sure it can.
Yeah, and it's never the the person that does that it's never to their better.
You know what I mean.
They're not.
They're never better for for initiating that, yep uh, which uh well, let's uh, Gordon Rollo did anything, Sam or I say there and this is a sincere question rub you as uh naive, or at least not ground truth.
From what you've seen of women and stuff like that, you know are Sam and I old, fuddy duddies from a previous generation who, who don't get it when it comes to women.
Serious question, no takers.
I was gonna let Rollo go.
He hasn't really talked much.
This whole thing it's his show.
I mean, what a, what a gentleman.
It's not Rollo's show.
Oh, Gordon said the loud part.
He said the quiet part out loud.
No, I mean, I think you guys, yeah, yeah.
I think you guys are right.
And if Rolo wants me to go, I'll go.
It's like, if you think you guys are right, I think that, um, you know, clearly, you know, with this guy and with everything else, like sometimes you don't, you can't always get what you want.
And sometimes you just got to settle for what you can get, which might sound again, maybe that's, you know, it's sort of like what we were talking about earlier.
Like you have to have realistic expectations and goals.
I think I said in the chat when we were talking about this earlier, you know, it's you're not, most people probably don't get the like, you're, I'm just, I'm as in love with her as I was when I married her 60 years ago or whatever.
I don't think that's, I don't think that's the norm.
I think that we think those things are so great because they're not the norm.
I get the feeling the norm is probably something closer to like a very long-term roommate where like you don't necessarily like hate each other, but you maybe aren't, you know, it's like, I mean, and again, and maybe that sounds harsh or something, but it's just, you know, I mean, that's that what you say to your wife?
Yeah, basically, no, no, look, hey, you know, 60 or 60 years old, you're probably not like banging anymore or whatever.
Like, you're going to be.
People that age are having sex.
Sure.
Sure.
But I'm saying on average, right?
Like on average, you're probably not happening as much.
It's just, you know, called Viagra and it is revolutionizing bedrooms all throughout the retirement community.
Okay.
That is true.
I know there's like a rise in SEDs in nursing homes and stuff.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, I'm just saying.
I'm just saying, you know, like women go through menopause, men's testosterone lowers as they get older.
There's going to be less of it.
And unfortunately, it's probably not equally distributed in all couples.
Like you were saying, there was that one gal who she's wanting it and the guy ain't delivering.
Right.
And then, you know, the gentleman is having the same, like, you know, it's, it's, you know, sometimes things aren't perfect.
I remember I was talking to this one gal once, like we were kind of dating or whatever.
And she asked how many kids I wanted.
And I said, as many as possible.
And she responded with, well, that's kind of a lot to ask, isn't it?
I mean, like, you know, you, we can't guarantee that a person can even have kids.
And I'm like, well, you misunderstand what I'm saying.
I literally mean as many as possible and the possible number including your including your health.
Yeah.
Zero, one, five, ten.
That's everything.
Yeah.
And maybe this is maybe like I'm just like a weirdo autiste and I have these like sort of like pragmatic noble pragmatic issues or whatever where it's like, oh, it's just, you know, whatever works, you know, like, and I don't mean that in like, I guess if I have to, I mean it honestly, like, you know, it's, I've always been a fairly pragmatic individual.
Whatever God gives you, that's the answer.
Yeah.
And it's even and it's not settling in the sense of like, I guess this is what I get.
It's, this is what I get.
This is fantastic.
I can't believe, you know, yeah, exactly.
I don't know.
Rolo, grand truth me on the stating your intent thing.
I don't know if you've done that early on in dates or later or never or whatever, but have you been upfront about like, no, this is, you know, I really want to find a wife and have kids.
Like, have you done that?
Does it work?
Does it not work?
Any impressions?
Well, as a guy who goes on a lot of first dates, I generally don't like to unload with stuff like that because you don't know how people are going to react to it.
And it all depends on the type of person you are with.
If you're with someone that you think is more serious about having a relationship versus someone you think you kind of have to.
You have to, you know you got to break that buck before you can get them into that mindset.
But right, like if you know, if you it's a floozy at the bar, you probably don't want to say, like you know, I really want to, I want a big family, a place in the.
Yeah, I would say that's not a, it's not a first date topic.
I would agree with that.
Yeah, but but I am honest.
If, if someone asks me, I'll just like, honestly, like if a woman says, do you want kids?
I say, I want like five or seven or ten.
I'll say it just like that because it sounds kind of playful, but it's also not a lie.
Right.
Filter out the, you know, women who absolutely want none pretty quickly right there.
Yeah, I've met, I have met plenty of women that are disgusted, not just like, oh, I don't know, I'm young.
I want to check.
Like women that are like, I hate babies.
Yeah.
It ruined your life.
It's like, well, I don't want to be.
Yeah.
Like, I don't want to be with someone that after like, like, you're with them for several years and then nothing's happening.
And then just like, oh, yeah, I had my tubes tied.
Like, I, I, I want, I want to be with someone that is, that's receptive to that.
And yeah.
So if someone asks, I'm honest.
That was the point of, of the little bit of information I told there was I think, I think maybe you do have to sound that out at some point and you will find that same type of woman who's who's also just done with all the gameplaying and just wants somebody who's serious and wants to get about the business of life, which is about marriage, family, and all those types of things.
So I, yeah, maybe it's not first date material, but it is good to sound that out just to get through the not serious people.
Now, what about the situation where you're married and your wife dies?
Not by your hands or correspondent.
Maybe.
Well, then I'm out.
I haven't thought about this one.
No, no, no.
This is a serious hypothetical.
Don't get any ideas there, correspondent.
But say, you know, say, say your wife dies.
Say you're in your early 40s.
Here.
Okay.
Go fishing.
I'll put my with all of our whole, we're going fishing with our whole gun collection and the guns go over the side and wifey falls over with them too.
Just totally tip the boat.
But all right, I'll put myself up on the chopping block here.
Early 40s, married for, you know, 15 years, roughly three kids, and wifey dies tragically, suddenly, heart attack or car crash or whatever.
Would I want to marry again and maybe have kids, you know, sort of life 2.0 or marriage 2.0 and the vice versa of that, the flip side, if I died, would I want wifey to remarry and carry on her life with another man?
Or would I accept that, but not really want that?
And here's my answer.
And I'm dying to hear what you guys think.
I know there were some guys in the chat who were like, no, it's a sacred bond.
You know, if I'm gone, that's it.
You know, end of the road.
You can have a full fun life without a wife.
But if my wife dies, then in theory, obviously you don't know until you get there.
Yeah, I would absolutely not seek.
That sounds a little too aggressive or eager, but like I would be open to having another wife if my wife died tragically.
Now later in life, I think like old people getting married is a little bit weird.
That's possibly another topic.
And similarly, if I died and my wife were left with these three kids and I'm gone and you know my thinking, I lean toward, I'm not going to be up there leering from heaven or from hell saying, you know, I see you there with Chad.
I lean toward, you know, okay, would I want her to like go a life of chastity, you know, mourning me for the rest of her life?
Yes, that's tempting.
No, not really.
If I'm gone, I would want her to have the chance to have a mate, a companion, a lover.
That makes it harder to contemplate for myself.
Sam, if your wife died, okay, okay, good.
Well, you know, you also forgot the other way of phrasing it, a roommate that she doesn't necessarily hate.
Marriage for Gordon is just, you know, bunking up in the I'm not saying that's the ideal.
I'm saying that that's probably what happens to a lot of people.
It's just long-term cohabitation.
At that point, you know, it just, yeah.
Like, you know, it's like you're not going to be like, you're not going to be like laying rose petals out like every like weekend or something, like all like in like 40 or 50 years of marriage necessarily.
Again, that's great.
That's great.
What I'm saying is if that's not happening to you, you shouldn't be all like blackpilled and gay about it.
Just like, you know, it's like, yeah, sometimes that's how it goes.
Docs, divorce, death.
All the same.
You power through.
Some in the strength.
Well, I'll chime in.
I think that in my case, I'll just take my own case.
If my wife died or if I died, we have talked about this.
You know, I mean, it would be devastating for sure.
And thinking of getting with another person for either of us would be the furthest thing from your mind.
And I could, in one sense, easily see like, oh, if my wife died, I would be so heartbroken and I would look after the family in such a sober way that I couldn't even think of another woman.
So on one hand, yes, that's true.
But on the other hand, let's say my wife.
Leave the door cracked, Sammy, baby.
Well, let's say my wife, what if my wife died and God is calling me to have another wife?
You know, not even I want another wife or don't want another wife, but God is calling me to have another wife.
You know, because I went through this in the case of my first breakup in my sadness, I honestly thought like, well, I have to think about what it's like now.
I may have to live my life as a single person now for the rest of my life.
Is that that may be possible?
I don't know.
But then, you know, God did call me to marry another woman.
So I think that in such a situation, I think a healthy marriage and a healthy love and all that, you would be devastated.
And it would be very difficult to think of being with somebody else.
But I think that in time, you would have to seek God's will in your life in that respect.
And if God is calling you to marriage again, it's possible that you could be married again.
So is it fair to say, Sam, that it would be wrong to just blanket, shut it down?
Like, no, I will like, this is it.
Never that it would be morally right to acknowledge at least the possibility that that might be a good, a legitimately good thing both for your own happiness and possibly for more kids.
You know, we are the pro natalist show and whatever.
And it's like, and if you're still, you know, young enough and healthy enough, it seems to me logically that it would be a sad state to go on mourning single as a single parent, essentially, for the rest of your life, as opposed to at least leaving the door open to finding love and companionship and maybe more kids.
The ancestors solved this.
I mean, sorry, Sam.
Yeah.
Well, I was just going to say, I think it is also a little bit of a different question for the woman and the man.
Like you say, the man can continue to have children into later life.
The woman, not necessarily.
So it's, it's, I think the dynamic is a little different for a man and a woman.
But it's if you are in love with your wife and everything, it's really difficult to even contemplate the question.
On the hot seat, Sam, would you be leering down from heaven and haunting your wife's house if she remarried after you died?
Well, it would have been.
Cheats and cheese and all.
You get the whole word said.
Maximum temptation for Sam.
Okay.
I'm back.
It's, you know, like I say, it would be up to God's will in that case.
And, you know, she's well beyond childbearing age at this point.
You know, but hey, it's very difficult to put yourself in such a position from where you sit today and you imagine this completely different type of a situation, how you would feel, what your emotions would be, and all those types of things.
It's hard to call it.
And that's why, like I said, but back before when I became single, I thought, well, you know, God give me the strength to do this, you know?
And my nuts tell me, no, honey, you shall not marry again and you shall come to visit my grave every day.
But then my heart and my brain are like, no, no, no.
Well, again, coach, the ancestors solved this.
Okay.
Like Pegang, like I'm going to throw a bone to Pegang here.
Obviously, the answer is if your wife dies, you have to carry on the bloodline regardless and get a new wife.
And if you die, your wife has to be buried with you in your boat along with your favorite stuff, with your favorite dog and your best horse.
That's like, I don't know what to tell you.
I don't know why you guys like we solved this years ago.
It's a show, right?
We have to talk about something, Gordon.
You put your cherry.
Look, she can ride your chariot into the burial mound.
It'll be based.
Yeah, the Hindus would just burn the wife on a giant fire if the husband died.
Yeah, the British banned that.
Yeah.
The cucked British.
That was the beginning of the end of the typical Anglo-behavior to ban based Aryan practices.
Right, right.
All right.
And a corollary to this, gents, is do you think some of these are really in Sam's wheelhouse?
Too many, too many, in fact.
Sam, do you think that it is cringe and weird for senior citizens like 70, you know, late 60s, 70s, 80s to get married?
You know, maybe like, you know, their various mates passed and then they go get, you know, well past childbearing age to get married.
I just thought about this as this issue came up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe not not cut and dried across the board.
I get what you're saying.
Yeah, I agree.
But, you know, I wouldn't want to bar every situation that way.
Yeah.
it's it's a little there is something mockery of the institution you know marriage is the union of man and woman to have a to have yes but there is the companionship and the things that you know as man and woman we complement each other she has things i need i have things she needs so maybe not in every situation but i i i i read you loud and clear Fair enough.
And to be clear, when Gordon and Rolo are 62 years old and finally walking down the aisle for the first time.
We will be there.
Yes.
I will not stand in the way of that for sure.
Sorry, guys.
I will not stand in the way of that marriage.
Hanging Chad there.
I'm just glad that you were generous enough to say 62.
That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's be real clear, though.
Like, I'm going to, you know, the B this is going to get me long before that.
So there's really not much.
Well, they might marry like a 30-year-old woman like this.
Al Pacino.
Didn't he marry like this young woman he's having a child with her now?
80 something.
83.
It'll be that way for me.
Yeah.
Al Pacino is a million, a millionaire actor.
You know, he can afford to do that.
Yeah.
I want to actually get this is this is really Thailand, Rolo.
That's there's always the option.
Yeah.
I mean, maybe I just need, I need to open my mind, maybe, you know.
Gordon's really trying to get me to open up about more experiences from Bangkok, but he's not getting them.
Two quick points, not going to make a big deal.
I had an epiphany the other day about homeschooling.
And this is not going to, this is not anti-homeschooling or pro-public school or government school or whatever.
But I thought to myself, would I genuinely have wanted to be homeschooled by my mother?
I love my mother.
We're still in daily contact.
And she's been great to our grandkids.
She was a wonderful mother to me.
And good God, no, I would not have wanted to be homeschooled by my mother because she's very particular.
And I know Sam, but maybe like I would tell this to my mom too.
And she would probably agree too.
She'd be like, no, you're pain in the ass.
I wouldn't want you.
I don't want to have to homeschool you either way, you know, son of a bitch.
But like, like my mother in particular, I'd be like, oh, man, if I were home all day long with my mom and she's teaching me reading, writing, and arithmetic, I, I, there's no scenario where I can honestly say that would be preferable to like South Jersey public schools.
Have that guy.
Yeah, the, the construct of your story there is not correct because if you know homeschool people, there is no mother or father standing over the child doing it.
The child really homeschools themselves, whether they're working out of a book or probably 95% of all homeschool students are doing something online now.
They really do it themselves when all the other children were little.
There is no way that you could spend enough time or any time with them to do it because you're running the household and doing all the things you have to do.
So that's just not how it works.
You know, if you were homeschooled, you'd be homeschooling yourself.
95% of it.
Point taken, my so coach, could you could you live with yourself teaching yourself all day?
That's the question.
That's a big philosophical conundrum.
I'm not sure I'm equipped to handle that this late.
teaching myself there probably would have been a school shooting uh well i'm just gonna leave that one there Yeah, I was gonna expand on it.
Another quick anecdote, as promised: the kids let me know, or Junior let me know.
I should be clear, he's in the older grades, that there is a phenomenon at school where the kids do this clowning thing.
Where if there's ever a disagreement, or if anybody says, like, oh, look at your shoes, or whatever, they say that's racist.
And I'm smiling through the microphone right now because essentially the kids are mocking the word racist.
So it's like, oh man, you know, I tripped on the field.
That's racist.
Yeah, I forgot my homework.
That's racist.
They're like, you know, hey, you're cheating on my test.
That's racist, which tickled me to no end that the kids now do they know what they're saying?
Do they know the significance or whatever?
I don't know.
But the point being that a good number of these kids are just mocking the racist term.
Well, you gotta say it without the T at the end of the, that's racist.
Gotta say it the right way.
That's racist.
Racist.
Yeah.
Yep.
All right.
I have more in the stack, but I get a feeling that we should probably bring this puppy home, especially after going long in the first half.
Open mic if you guys want to add something here or we can land it.
Yeah.
Rolo has some wonderful Darrell content.
Yeah, where's Darrell?
Does anyone say anymore?
Yeah, Darrell, would you Darrell honestly?
He said he would, he wants to come on when Larry's on.
I see Japan.
That's, I understand.
Yeah.
He can't say hello to us or something.
I mean, he should come on when I'm on because we've established that I am also black.
I mean, you know, he does.
No, Darrell doesn't believe in it.
I love hogs.
You know, I mean, Darrell believes you should kill your wife to get another wife.
But Darrell doesn't.
Darrell doesn't believe in having a wife.
He believes you throw the woman down the stairs and you get a new one.
That's what you're doing.
You got a finger on Darrell there, Rolo.
Better than most men.
No homo.
Wait a minute.
Well, he's a roommate that I don't necessarily hate.
And that's not a euphemism for a relationship, okay?
Yep.
I choose to believe it is.
I don't have gay jungle fever.
We have a wonderful, lengthy email in the inbox from a friend, a listener, a fecan father who spent some time in Japan recently and shared all sorts of observations from an actual, more or less ethno-state.
But I think I'll save that one for a future episode.
Thank you very much.
And I caught dear daughter in one of the worst things she's ever done.
I said, you've been on your tablet a long time today.
How is that possible?
Because I set the parental controls on it so that, you know, there's X hours.
I won't get into the details, but I was like, you're spending too much time on that.
We're locking this thing down.
And son of a gun, I picked a four-digit passcode.
No, it wasn't 1488.
No, it wasn't 1933.
But it was one that she was able to guess.
So the little son of a gun, daughter of a gun, overrode it.
And I said, Holy moly, you knew you were being sneaky.
She went through and guessed four-digit codes and guessed it right and was sitting in there vegging playing Roblox all day.
So we took that tablet and locked it away for a good solid period of time.
And then you bet your ass, I picked a randomized pin code to replace it.
She was the difference is that with a daughter, at least this, my daughter, she was severely chastised in turn, like she chastised herself.
She realized she'd done messed up.
And uh, yeah, just mom and dad giving stern words is like enough to bring the waterworks out.
A daughter, you can crush with a word, so you don't slap them or spank them.
Oh, heavens, no, yeah, yeah, no, boys are different.
Boys, you have to bring them to the point of breaking in a sense, you know.
Uh, yep, we use the flip-flop, use it.
The the enemy love that one, Sam, but it's so true.
Like, you know, if I chastise daughter, she looks like she's about to break out the waterworks and years.
I mean, it's it's like two bulls, you know, like you know, he scrunches up his face and he makes this horrible face and he gives me thumb, he gives me two thumbs down when he's really dissatisfied.
He's like, No, I thumbs down both of your things.
I say, take your thumbs, and no, I don't say anything like that.
Uh, but yeah, yeah, it's basically got to show him your boss.
Basically, oh, listen, listen, listen, though, no, you already own the best.
I'm telling you, the best parenting advice, best parenting advice is don't be there.
That's all I'm saying, no problem, no dad, no problem, right?
No kids, no problems.
Uh, but Darrell, I mean, for the rare times that you are uh around your children, assuming that's ever, I mean, how do you do you disappoint them?
Well, if he knows who his children are, right?
Yeah, well, what's your what's your what do you do?
Yeah, and a nigga don't know who their children is.
What's your ball?
Get real coach, you know that you work in the street and alleluia, our business, baby.
Don't you, don't you miss?
Don't you like want to spend some time with the kids, like, even like, like, like, like once a month?
You know, I'm not about to buy some when you get some kids real, they'd be crafting your style, you know.
I can't keep it real when I get a bunch of kids.
maybe when they're older durell would you like want to reconcile with them and like you know go take them out to lunch or something buy them a beer or a you know a 40 i guess I ain't doing a nothing about doing nothing to earn my money to share with no lazy ass that can't even get himself a job.
Go ask your dad for some money.
Look at those broke-ass kids don't even know who their dad is.
Yeah, bunch of suckers.
Well, you know, we're coming up on Father's Day here in June.
That's the most confusing day in the life of a black person.
Was a father, yeah.
Put the black weekend in the gay month next to Father's Day, said the Jew.
Yeah, oh, thank you, thank you, Daryl.
Uh, I would love to hear you uh speak with Larry Ridgway about certain issues in the black community.
Until next time, all right, guys.
1:12 a.m. here in the Mountain Mama, West Virginia.
I am so damn glad that uh Gordon answered the call.
It wasn't a throwaway offer, it was a sincere, hey, this would make a good conversation.
Our Nordic friend couldn't make it.
Damn glad Gordon could.
Gordon, we salute you.
Thank you for syndicating us on Americaner.
Thank you for standing strong through all the stuff that you've been through and your good work.
And I can't wait till the next time we can crack a cold one together.
Yep.
American.
Hopefully soon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Rumor has it maybe soon.
Americoner.org.
And Gordon, is there a donate link on there?
Don't be bashful.
Well, first, you should go to givesendgo.com slash full house and you should give a monthly donation to.
This is still my heart.
Yeah, yeah.
And then after you've done that, after you've, after you've given every spare dollar, after you've, you know, forced your children to go without shoes or whatever, because you're just giving so much to full house, you should then force them to go without like, I don't know, like school lunch or something and go to Americoner.org slash donate.
And then you can give to my give, send, go or my gumroad, or you can mail me at my PO box, PO Box 691 Brookings, South Dakota, 57006.
And you can also order stickers, which I have a bunch of.
So consider it.
You spoke too fast for me to write that all down, but I'll get it in the show notes.
I'll send it to you.
Please.
American.org slash donate.
Yes.
Yes.
And to be clear, you're not donating to coach.
You're donating to full house as Rolo and Sam look up hungrily.
Well, yeah, like coach will gain to give some crumbs.
Crumbs to the pearles, to the peasants.
Yes.
Myself.
Keeps the website going, keeps whatever the expenses of doing the show.
Make sure that's all covered.
That's very nice.
No, for sure, sincerely.
And the other thing, Sam, aside from the monthly expenses and a little bit of ice cream for the kiddos or for ourselves is the fact that that is, you know, I hate to say positive reinforcement, like, oh, you know, the money.
But when somebody takes the time or actually, you know, that's not just the time, but it's the material donations.
The nice letter and all that.
I appreciate what you guys do.
And we got one in the PO box that was not suitable to read on air, but it was basically like, thank you guys.
You made a difference in my life.
Yeah.
Getting letters in the P.O. box is one of like the best things in the world.
Like if honestly, like if I don't care if like people send me just like a regular letter, like that's fantastic.
Like I don't, you know, I would almost rather get a regular letter with no money than like money with no note.
You know what I mean?
Like almost, you know, because I am a, I'm a shill, but otherwise, like.
I like the perfect email in the inbox that is tease up content for the show perfectly myself.
That's really the best gift that you can give to a content creator is just the gift of content.
Yeah.
The people, the people that we talk to that listen to the show and, you know, it's always so special to meet people in person.
And it's instantly there's this back and forth that we have with people.
It's a wonderful thing.
The thing that matters the most to me, and this is 100% dead serious, is that we've been doing this for four years, 160 episodes.
And I believe that anyone listening in good faith with at least half an open mind and an honest assessment of the things is that what we are trying to do here, there's multiple things that we're trying to do here with the show, but the number one thing is to be honest, to be ourselves, to be good, to give good, useful advice, to provide a couple laughs.
And on the bigger meta picture is to normalize and rationalize white nationalism or awareness of Jewish power for good, normal people who for most of their lives have been completely marinated in the enemy's propaganda, in lies, in garbage, in filth, in figments of the truth that don't really go to the problem.
Yes, immigration is a problem.
Why is immigration a problem?
Immigration is a problem because it all comes back to who.
Because they're not white.
If they were white and they were pouring it, I'd say let them in if they were white.
Yeah, that too.
But who opened the gates?
Except for Swedes.
I'm just kidding.
I just wanted to pick one.
Just Jews opening the gates to the enemy every single time.
Yeah.
And that's exactly what happened here.
And I damn challenge anybody to tell me that, no, that wasn't the case.
Sorry, that's basically incontrovertible.
All right, Sammy Baby, I lean on you heavily because frankly, you have the most life experience, wisdom, and love too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was, I'm always, I'm always buoyed up by our conversations and our guests.
Gordon was a great guy to have on and certainly provided a lot of good, good things to think about and very enjoyable.
Congratulations on 20.
And thank you.
20 more.
Thank you.
Yes, at least.
Hail Sam.
Thank you.
Last, but not least.
I wasn't going to say last and least.
Rolo, my friend, the show wouldn't happen without you.
And you are, I think after 51 or 52 episodes, I can say you're my favorite producer.
No homo.
Well, thank you.
But one thing I would also like to add on to another good reason to donate is like, there's the docs hanging over every WN's head.
Eventually, the day is going to come when Durrell gets the summon to Maury and he may have to pay child support.
So every little bit helps in every regard.
Very true, my friend.
All right.
Full house episode 160 was recorded on a almost full moon.
Didn't look like a quite perfect sphere up there.
I didn't check the calendar to see whether it was full or almost full, regardless.
We started on June 2nd.
It's now June 3rd for, I believe, not all of us, but almost all of us.
Follow us on Telegram, pro whitefam2, gab is gab.com slash fullhouse.
Whatever you do, drop us an email at fullhouse show at protonmail.com.
If you got something, give us a hanging curve to knock out of the park or try to stump us.
We'd be happy to go for it.
And of course, gives and go.com slash fullhouse if you'd like to like to.
This week, I would still implore you to donate to Ash Sharp's family.
They got a good response.
We got like 13,000 views on that Telegram page.
I did go to the well to my high-powered buddies to boost and they answered the call.
But still, you know what happens with these things is that people donate once and then one and done.
So we either have to crank those numbers up or we have to sustain it.
And I'm going to have to be a, you know, banging the drum.
It's the most posted again in a few weeks.
Yep.
No.
And you can set up recurring payments on Give Send Go.
Yeah.
You know, like it's, you know, and this is something I always try to tell people is, you know, like, you know, even if you can only give like a couple of dollars, like that's fine.
Like for these sorts of things, like it's not about like giving like hundreds of dollars or something.
If you get hundreds of guys giving like one or two dollars, that's just as good as one guy giving hundreds.
You know, so a recurring donation is technically more helpful than a one-off windfall.
You know, it's something that you can plan on and that you're less likely to fritter or squander.
Not that we.
Yeah, give like two or three bucks a month, you know, like that's what I would recommend to people.
You saw the picture of Ash and his wife, Eulina, and the two baby daughters with the one's a baby.
Beautiful family.
Yep.
And I don't know, you know, somebody said she should, somebody who donated said you should really consider, you know, going to Poland, at least until he gets out.
I don't know.
I didn't broach that.
That's, that's her choice and her family's choice.
But she did say that Ash has been calling every single day from prison and she is extremely grateful.
She messaged and thanked us in particular for boosting it.
And she said she loved the interview with Ash.
I sent it to her.
I was like, I don't know if this is going to be too painful to hear him, you know, but he did a fine job and she agreed.
Yeah.
It was really good.
Wonderful example.
And if you didn't listen to the end of our fourth anniversary special, I did get choked up at the end when I put my little addendum on after he was convicted and was led off to prison because, yeah, just the thought of saying that to your daughters as you're being led away in cuffs, I could practically cry on demand.
And many, many men reached out to say, hey, coach, thanks, buddy.
It made me cry or you made me get misty.
Some real hard asses too.
Well, you know, the thing is he's not been sentenced yet.
So we should all be praying for him anyways.
And, you know, he could get a real light sentence or something like that.
It's not over yet.
And they are not downcast over there.
They believe that they have a good chance yet.
And he got acquitted on the original charge.
The original charge was the music and not guilty.
They couldn't twist enough arms.
They couldn't get 10 out of 12 to get him on that.
So Cantwell in particular was like, ah, so see?
Yeah.
They roped him in on a bogus charge that he was then acquitted on.
But after they started their little witch hunt to borrow from DJP, then they got him on the document that he's like, yeah, dude, I just downloaded this from Telegram and encrypted it.
And, you know, I don't even know what the hell is in it.
That's the way it rolls these days.
So anyway, God bless them.
God bless our audience.
Don't give up.
Yep.
Sam and Rolo.
We will boost that retort to Dalton when it is up on the American site.
And please do support America Connor, whatever you do.
Love your wife.
Love your husband.
Marriage is a very challenging thing at times.
It's a very wonderful thing at times.
And the only reason you should ever cut it short is for the absolute serious situations that demand it or can't be ameliorated.
Going out, Sam, I did listen to that aggravated assault song that you posted in the chat before this.
Just as a joke.
I know.
It was a jam.
And then I was like, oh, let me turn this down very rapidly because the kids were still awake and I was connected to Bluetooth.
So anyway, I don't know if the audience knows about the genre of Italo disco, but this was a big thing.
Sam maybe remembers it, but this was like a little bit of techno, a little bit of disco, a little bit of pop, late 70s, primarily early 80s.
It's wonderful.
And of course, most of our audience knows about Synth Wave and the sort of rejuvenation of the 80s idea.
I don't want to say ethos again.
But regardless, Italo Disco has its own sort of synthwave rejuvenation.
Now, it's not as big.
You know, it's a little bit more niche, but I love the original Italo disco: David Lime, Eddie Huntington.
There's some real jams, and then there's some younger people who are making new Italo disco with a little bit higher production quality.
Oh, sorry, I cut out there.
Anyway, they want to silence me.
The globalists, they're trying to cut my mic.
This is a Talo.
The Globalists are not Jewish.
They're just, yeah.
This is Strangers in the Night by Ital Love, I-T-A-L-O-V-E.
We'll put it in the show notes, probably.
We love you, fam, and we'll talk to you next week.
Gordon, do the honors this week.
I don't know what to say about that since he never was never made to the end.
He's never made it to the end unless he's true.
I just don't remember.
I only have enough brain power to remember how to end my own show, which half the time I still screw up.
What I always say is: thanks everyone for listening, and I'll see you all next week.
Hail Britain.
I'm gay at the end of every show.
It's true.
It's true.
I'm going to Thailand.
Hey, you busted my bones over, busting my balls over Thailand.
I'm busting your balls for not listening to the end of Full House regardless.