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It doesn't get much attention, but when you stop and think about it, our cause really is diverse.
Aside from our racial commonality, we encompass all living generations, every corner of the globe, social classes from trust fund babies to working-class salt of the earth, the devoutly Christian to the stubbornly irreligious, from Nordic Chads to fiery meds, fathers of many to singles of none.
and from saints who have never received so much as a moving violation to ex-cons with awesome tattoos.
We're all more or less on the same page when it comes to team white, but given our diversity, it's not really a surprise how often we disagree on tactics, news analysis, intergroup dynamics, and suffer normal human conflicts and feuds, which I must remind you are not unique to our thing.
Families and regular friendships experience the same thing all the time, but the same cause that brings us together just as often drives us apart.
Some of our guys make white nationalism the core of their lives for better and sometimes worse.
Others grow frustrated by the pace of progress or fatigued by the struggle and totally ghost.
Others take breaks and come back.
Others step back just from activism or content creation.
And some of our guys even do hard time for their sacrifices and then re-enter this so-called society that is barely recognizable from just a few years ago.
This week, we are honored to welcome back to Freedom another Charlottesville freedom fighter to talk about his experience there that day, realities behind bars and starting over.
So, Mr. Producer, hit it.
On episode
150 of Full House, the world's finest show for white fathers, aspiring ones, and the whole biofam.
I am, as always, your hobbled host, Coach Finstock.
That's right.
I probably blew out my ACL again last week playing soccer with Junior, back with another two hours of much more than just jailhouse review.
Before we meet the birth panel and our special guests tonight, though, big thanks to Shanks and Plowman Goy for their kind support of the show.
Also, big thanks to the two gentlemen who committed the classic blunder, making a geopolitical bet with yours truly, and paid up last week.
And those bets were whether China would invade Taiwan in 2022 and if the war in Ukraine would still be raging on New Year's Day.
Yes, I nailed both of them, and I won't name the victims to spare them the embarrassment.
Also, to the great people at the White People's Press, I received a gorgeous Western mythology calendar in the mail from them recently, and which is now proudly displayed in our home.
They actually sent two other ones.
I know Sam has one already, and I'll get around to mail and rollo his copy shortly.
But it's still January, so it's not too late to go buy a calendar.
So go get yours at whitepeoplepress.com.
And finally, just today we received another wonderful shipment of bespoke coffee from the good people at Above Time Coffee Roasters.
So do the bit and go get yours at abovetimecoffee.com.
It really is better than the generic cheap stuff that, yes, this cheapskate here still intersperses with the home coffee rotation.
And then finally, finally, if you'd like to support us, please visit us at gives and go.com slash fullhouse or full-house.com and the support us tab.
And with all of that, we're back and let's get on to the birth panel.
First up, he has been described as the most vicious infighter of his generation, burning through groups and friends faster and with more abandon than Sam Bankman Freed ripping through his depositors' crypto balances.
Sam, all true for shame again.
Oh my.
Oh, afraid so.
Afraid so.
Oh, that's funny.
That's funny.
Boy, coach, you must have been, you must have got a hold of my notebook.
You know, I make notes every week and some of the things you were saying in your opening there, some go parallel with some of my own thoughts.
Maybe I get a chance to come around to it later.
But yeah, and the coffee, we also have above time coffee.
And I don't drink as much coffee as the rest of the family, but I do have it on a, I give myself a treat once in a while.
And that is certainly above average coffee.
Hell yeah.
And it's not cheap, but then somebody was like, coach, dumbass, you just have to buy more than like if you just buy one pack at a time, then the shipping makes it a little expensive.
But if you just get a decent supply, then you're talking economies of scale there.
Exactly.
And I also received the mythology calendar, which is very beautifully done.
And this thing is worth having, even if you haven't thought of getting a calendar for this year yet.
It's only January and I would say get it.
It's just very beautifully done.
The artwork is very carefully selected and very nice quality calendar.
Yeah, it's interesting.
They don't have it in the blocks, you know, per weeks.
They just have it listed horizontally.
I was like, well, that's strange, but it's not bad.
I could get used to it.
I like the bigger size and they even sent a little hook because I have a nail in the same nail every year.
I try to fit a calendar over it and it always kind of rips the paper and stuff.
And by, you know, within a few months, I have to tape up the calendar.
But this came with a nice plastic rounded hook so it doesn't cut into the paper or anything.
So they really thought carefully about it.
It was a really nice treat, Sam.
And we'll circle back to it.
Of course, there was a disturbance in the forest over the past few weeks, but I talked to a similar guy who's in similar age to you who was around in the Pierce days.
And he was like, Coach, you got to tell me what's going on.
I can't make heads from tails.
I gave him the whole TLDR.
And he's like, yep, it's happened before and it'll happen again.
He sort of took it in stride.
Like, you know, we've seen this before.
So absolutely.
Yeah, I'd like to say a few words about that later.
But the tree is down.
I took my Christmas tree down finally, but I left up some of the other things like the manger scene and some of the other, I got the wreath on the front door and everything like that.
But we did take the tree down.
And so we're starting to starting to transition.
A few days here next week will be February 2nd.
And that's the end of the Christmas time.
Yep.
It'll be Easter before we know it.
And I still have my wreath up on the front door and I thought of you.
I was like, oh, it's staying up until February 2nd, at least, Sam.
Absolutely.
All right.
Looking forward to it.
Great to be back in the saddle ourselves.
Next up, he confided to me before the show that he was getting the shakes and that the only thing that could cure them was to record a new full house.
100% true.
He said that to me before the show.
Rolo, how the hell are you?
It's not 100% true.
Alcohol is actually fatal.
So thank you.
What's new in your life, Hugh Hefner there in your silk pajamas?
I threw out my back recently, sitting up from a bench, which sucked, and it wasn't getting better.
And then I went to a chiropractor, actually.
And just because I thought maybe this would help.
And I was expecting the old like, oh, yeah, you're going to need to come in three times a week for the next week for 10 years and then one time a week every day for the rest of your life.
And now he's like, you know what?
Your back's not that bad.
It's a little locked up here and there, but yeah, I think it's going to heal.
And it actually got better.
And I know a lot of people don't like chiropractors, but one person told me that they like, it was someone that was very anti-chiropractors, and it was someone that was on the board of medicine.
So I was like, you're a guy that makes money selling pills.
So, you know, I'm just going to do the opposite of what you say.
Let me just say, I recently also threw my back out and I went into the chiropractor and he straightened right me right out.
Let me just say that chiropracty is about one of the only positive experiences I've had with modern medicine.
So yeah, for whatever might ail you, it's worth a try.
And Rolo, you went in and he didn't lay hands on you.
He just inspected you and said, get out of here.
And you didn't have to sign up for the subscription plan.
No, I mean, I mean, what do you mean by lay hands on me?
Yeah, like he adjusted me.
Yeah, but like he said, like, I want to test your flexibility.
And then like I, he like lifted my leg up and he's like, yeah, if you couldn't do this, then there'd be a problem.
But you know, you have flexibility.
So you've got some inflammation, but it's not anything bad.
So yeah, the guy was honest and, you know, he just cracked my back and I was able to put my head back, which was another issue I was having.
And that was, that was nice.
And yeah, now my back is fine.
I'm still tight because, you know, I'm 73 years old physically, but there's nothing I can do about that.
Yeah.
Well, not spiritually.
Spiritually, I'm like seven.
True.
Well, that's two new data points.
I always just, I guess, assume the common knowledge that chiropractors were all cranks and quacks, but I've never been to one.
So I'll reserve judgment given your and Sam's commentary.
Not sure if we'll endorse it full house yet.
Anyway, thank you, Rolo.
Welcome back.
And finally, our very patient and very special guest.
He was on the front lines of Righteous Street Justice five years ago and then stoically served around five years behind bars for the privilege.
While the black instigator of the parking garage rumble was found not guilty even of simple assault.
But he is now happy as hell to be out, starting over and getting back into the swing of things.
And I might add, if he and I are ever really hard up for money, we could both hit the tanning salon and fit right in loitering outside a Home Depot as day laborers.
My swarthy brother in arms, Alex Ramos, congratulations on getting out and welcome to Full House.
Yes, yes.
Thank you, man.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Like, I've got to say, man, that's hilarious.
I would do that just for fun.
I know, right?
Yeah.
I mean, hey, let's go make some extra money.
The guy's always for looking Mexican, and I'm sure you get the same thing.
How are you, yeah?
You're you're yeah, of course, you were the Hispanic Charlottesville victim, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's uh, I'm doing all right, man.
You know, uh, I usually get that uh, I look Middle Eastern because of because of the beard.
Yeah, where you are right now.
When we did sound check, you know, Alex is you know, fresh out and he's not exactly living in a mansion in the burbs.
And I said, You look a little like they just renditioned you to a CIA black ops site, but he was you were smiling, you look good, man.
And uh, yeah, just uh, has it been rough, or is it are you really just happy to be the hell out of there and back into this regular suck that the rest of us are stuck in?
Well, what's been rough was doing five years and four months in pretty much a living hell dog cage, you know, uh, with a bunch of dudes and everyone's acting like animals, and uh, you know, it's like the animal kingdom pretty much, you know.
Uh, but I'm happy, man, yeah, go ahead, sir.
Did you feel like you're under high stress in there?
Oh, God, every day.
Um, every day was a stressful day in there because every day was a long day.
You know, uh, I pretty much counted every minute down, you know, down to the day, down to the month, the year.
You know, then it started going to seconds through the last five or six months went by so much slower than the first three years, Alex.
We're going to circle back.
Yeah, we're going to circle back to uh some prison stuff.
We got to talk about Charlottesville a little bit and re-entering polite society.
But before we get too far, brother, I, you know, I good-naturedly ribbed you there at the top.
But what is your uh ethnicity, religion, and fatherhood status, please?
My ethnicity.
So, uh, my mother, uh, she was born in Puerto Rico.
Her dad was born in Puerto Rico.
Uh, my dad was born in Puerto Rico.
Uh, my dad's dad was born in Spain.
My mom's great-grandparents were born in Italy, and my dad's great-grandparents were born in Spain.
So, um, I'm kind of mixed, you know, uh, Italian, Spaniard, and I guess whatever's in Indie Islands over here in the Caribbeans, you know.
Well, I certainly wouldn't hold it against you for checking Hispanic on job applications to uh get the bonus points, whatever you get, yeah, or you know what, or or do Native American, try and get you know as much out of it as you can.
Yeah, I just put Caucasian, man.
I don't even care anymore.
All right, you know, it's it's just like uh, they people use the color of your skin to downgrade American history and culture and whatnot, and and I don't like it anymore.
You know, it's getting old, so I just you know, I don't care much for the ethnicity thing.
I hear you, brother.
How about uh, religion?
What were you raised, and what do you consider yourself today?
I was raised Roman Catholic.
Uh, my parents were both Roman Catholic, and um, Everyone just decided to convert to Christianity.
And, you know, I didn't really convert to pretty much anything, but I guess I would consider myself a, you know, I don't know, a conservative Christian, I guess.
And you said, yeah, you're, you don't really go to church and you're not totally sold on it, but you still don't mind identifying with it or, you know, blurred lines.
Yeah, I don't.
Yeah, I don't, I don't mind, you know.
I mean, you know, realistically, you know, I believe in a whole lot of different things.
You know, I'm half and half on Christianity.
You know, I'm 50-50 with it, you know, because I do believe in, what do you call it, Greek mythology a little bit.
Okay.
You know, you know, them stories seem a little bit more logical than the Christian stories.
And, you know, I'm just 50-50, you know, so I'm not really tall there.
Did you say prayers when you were in prison or like use any sort of spiritual sourcing to get through?
Yeah, worship the devil.
And no, I'm just kidding.
Yeah, something every now and again, you know, I pray for my mom before she died, you know, because she was getting sick and stuff like that.
And, you know, praise didn't work.
So I stopped praying, you know.
And your mom passed while you were in, right?
Yeah, she did.
My mom and my real dad, they both did one week after the other.
Sorry, Bruce.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's all right, man.
And I know you got kids.
What's the status there?
Are you, do you still get to see them?
Were you in touch with them?
Or is that a difficult situation?
It's a little difficult because, you know, before I would, before I went to prison, I would speak to them sometimes, you know, every few days or a week or so, you know, I'd call and say hi and stuff like that.
They live in New York.
So, you know, I couldn't always go up there and whatnot.
And when I got locked up, everything changed.
You know, I didn't necessarily want to keep contact with them because in a way, I thought it would do more harm than good.
And the mother understood, but they didn't.
You know, so they took that in a, you know, we're not doing so bright right now, me and my kids.
You know, they're both 17 and 18, you know.
So they're getting at that age where they're starting to understand a lot more.
Yeah.
That's got to be tough.
I mean, I would imagine if I went away, I would, you know, want to be writing to my kids every single day or, you know, having as much contact with them.
But you felt, did you feel like a little bit guilty or ashamed to be in that situation and in comms with them?
No, absolutely not.
No, I felt like I would probably, you know, put them at risk, being that they're in New York.
You got these Antifa people terrorizing people, terrorizing families, you know, making their lives miserable.
And I just didn't want them to go through that.
You know what I mean?
Fair enough.
Yep.
Well, I hope you can reconcile if that's even an accurate word for the situation, you know.
Yeah, it's going to, it's going to come along.
It's going to come along.
My youngest son, he's going to be graduating.
I believe it's this year.
And I'm just going to go and surprise him.
You know, nice.
Good stuff.
Yeah, it's just, you know, that's going to be the icebreaker.
Sure.
Sometimes those ages are a little bit tricky too, because when they're little, they can't help but look up to you.
You know what I mean?
But when they go through that adult kind of a phase, they start to question things.
And, you know, you might feel a little bit of resistance there from them for a while.
But then as they experience the world and they see how other people are and things like that, then they'll come around to your way of thinking.
Yeah, Sam, I got some commentary on that in the second half because it dawned on me the other day that Junior is really coming into his own in terms of being an independent thinker, actor, real grown-up conversations.
It's like, all right, we're not in the little leagues of fatherhood anymore.
This is getting serious.
Yeah.
Well, and you can't expect even your kids, your kids who have you've seen as like a possession of yours, really, for many years.
You were there when they were born, but then when they start to become a little bit adult, they will have their own prerogatives and their own conclusions, which may or may not always line up with your own.
But that's just normal because the four of us right here don't all wouldn't see eye to eye on every last thing anyway.
So you have to kind of, you know, look at it kind of easygoing like that.
Yep.
Yeah, the transition phase.
Alex, let's, if we could, you know, you, of course, came onto everyone's radar over five years ago, almost six years ago.
Let's take, let's go back to August 2017 if we could.
We're not going to relive Charlottesville, but you have firsthand experience from one of the hottest things that happened there.
But before we go into the rumble, why did you go and who did you go with?
I went there with a friend and I'm going to keep his name anonymous.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
I wasn't trying to get your friend in trouble.
No, no, no, that's hard.
No, no, that's hard.
I get it.
But me and him were involved in the Atlanta Powderys for a little while.
And we went up there with another group.
I can't really remember the name of it.
I just don't remember the name of it, but we met up with them.
Georgia, Georgia 3% Militia or something like that.
No, no, no.
I had nothing to do with those guys at the time.
I was a part.
I was actually involved with the alt-right groups, like, you know, the fraternal order of the alt-knights.
Do you remember that?
I heard of it.
Well, I was kind of a part, kind of a part of that group.
For the most part, I did not go there with any of them or the Prowboys.
It was just me and my friend.
And she met up with some other people that we knew from Atlanta.
Same story as well.
Yeah.
And, you know, I mean, man, Charlottesville, you know?
Was it a tractor beam that you just you had to go, or did you feel that passionate about Confederate statues, or was it a burning hatred for Antifa, or was it just like going to a party?
What was going through your mind at the time as you were getting ready to go?
Yeah, it's like different strokes for everybody who's there.
Yeah, yeah, see, so uh, I like history, all right, and and I don't like how they keep eliminating our history from our books and uh and our schools, you know, they're they're they're pretty much historical data, yeah, man.
Um, I literally're just eliminating they're eliminating our history, and it's not right.
Uh, the kids need to grow up learning history and everything that happened, no matter what it is, you know.
Uh, and statues are not people, they're just monuments.
So, how can they hate people?
So, I like the statues, you know, I think they should have stayed up, and I feel bad that they took them all down.
It's yeah, it's just fair enough.
Yep, and you're you're did you grow up in the south, or are you a adopted son of the south now?
I'm an adopted son of the south.
I've been in the south for about 10 years, uh, or maybe longer than that.
Uh, but uh, I was born and raised in New York, Bronx, New York, and uh, I moved around a lot.
I lived in uh Massachusetts, Miami.
I lived in Miami for a few years, uh, but for the most part, I grew up born and raised till the age of 22 in New York.
And that day, did you have any idea what you were about to get into?
Were you looking for a fight, or were you thinking it was going to be just you know, a happy little uh rally to show numbers and do it for a good cause?
Be honest.
I went there to see what was really happening, you know, like because I personally knew uh over here in Georgia, I knew some Antifa members, and they were really good people, you know, they were decent people, honest living people, you know, honest living Americans.
And when I heard that these people were attacking people, I wanted to see firsthand, and uh, at the same time, I also wanted to support the right because I don't want our history removed,
and uh, you know, it kind of sucked that it went down the way it did because I didn't really expect those people to be attacking people the way they were.
You know, uh, when I walked in there, I saw an old lady get punched in the back of the head by a dude, yeah, you know, this lady was like surpassed her 60s, and uh, you know, it was just retarded that these young dudes who call themselves Antifa are beating on old women, right?
It didn't make sense, you know.
I mean, let these bastards fight us and then they'll see what it's like.
I know to think, yeah, thinking back into how much trouble we all got in and how many of us been over backwards to not even defend ourselves and just try to get the hell out of there.
I promise you, Alex, I won't name this episode.
Some of my friends in Antifa are good people.
But yeah, no, it's all right.
I get it.
I get it.
Those dudes are terrorists.
Right, right.
No, yeah.
Like there are good lefties, of course.
And your ideology, yeah, your ideology.
No, there isn't.
Pretty sure that's lying again.
Grotesque interpretation.
I thought I heard him say, oh, yeah, I was friends with Antifa.
Some of those guys were good.
But so, Alex, back then, were you?
So you were, I don't know if Civnat is fair, but you weren't quite, you know, a national socialist white nationalist at the time.
You hated the historical denigration and the scum-sucking lefties.
Is that fair in terms of your ideology, at least back then?
I guess.
See, I didn't like the left for years.
And I started this, you know, being anti-leftist since like 2009 or something like that.
Obama used to.
And yeah, yeah, pretty much, you know, screwing up the economy, China debt, you know, trillions of dollars, you know, stuff like that.
And, you know, usually the Republican Party doesn't throw our money away like that.
And, but then again, I'm not a politician.
So, you know, I don't like big government.
You know, but, you know, I probably shouldn't say that.
Ah, that's okay.
I mean, of course, I don't like big government.
Yeah.
Well, you know, the snooty national socialist retort, which is not false, but it is a little snooty, is like, well, it's not the size of the government.
It's well, it's whether it's working for you.
You know, you'd be fine with a big government if it was committed to advancing the interests of our people and equity and all the rest of it.
Like George Lincoln Rockwell said, it's not big governments that's the problem.
It's bad government that's the problem.
Exactly.
Well, see, we don't have the luxury of having a good big government.
So all we have is the government that we have.
So the bigger the government we have, the worse it is.
So when someone says the government, and anyone tries to, well, shut up.
You know what the person means, okay?
Yeah.
Stop being a homo.
The ideal and the reality.
Yep.
And then before we get onto the meaty stuff, Alex, has your ideology changed since 2017?
It's okay if it hasn't.
Just curious.
Well, absolutely.
You know, you go to prison, you go to prison, something, and you leave prison something else.
And yeah, of course, my ideology has changed.
Dramatically.
And I have to say that being in prison made me realize realistically what I have to deal with in life and what everyone else has to deal with in life, for believing in being either a white nationalist or a national socialist.
And uh, you know, I i'm just uh, you know, I went in there just a nationalist.
You know like, I just love my country, you know of Western civilization and Yeah, and it's just, you know, you go in in prison and you come out hating things that you never really hated before, you know?
That's just the way it is.
Yeah, we're going to go back to prison, but we first got to cover why you went to prison in the first place.
And my, you know, most people probably know you as one of maybe five or six men who had to do serious time for that.
I'll call it the rumble in the parking garage.
But take us back to that incident in particular.
You know, were you out there?
I believe it was Harold Cruz who got cracked over the head by DeAndre Harris with what looked like a mag light or something similar.
And then guys came to his defense to then extract justice on that perp.
But I guess let us know, you know, what your situation was there, what you saw, and how you got into hot water.
All right.
Well, so how I got into hot water, smoke bombs, tear gas, being thrown by Antifa.
And it led me the opposite direction of where everyone else was going.
So I separated from my friend.
I kind of got lost, ended up at this garage.
But I was walking with a group of people that I didn't know.
And, you know, we were all standing together just in case if we had to brawl these guys that are following us with sticks and baseball bats and mag lights.
And when I seen everyone run into the parking garage, you know, my first instinct was, you know, defense, you know, defense mode.
I got to go in there and help these guys.
These guys, we're walking together.
We're leaving together.
And none of them are leaving without me.
And I'm not leaving without any of them.
You know what I mean?
And that's just the mentality I had.
You know, I've got this like in my mind, I've got this policy, no man left behind.
So I went in there and it's just all of that stuff happened, man.
And so you didn't, you didn't even want to be, you didn't want to be going that way.
You got cut off.
Yeah, I got sort of lucky in egressing lucky in quotation marks, but I egressed where they were telling us to leave through snarling, but not necessarily violent crowds at that moment.
I left like right around the time that Richard Preston took the pot shot or warning shot at the guy with the homemade flamethrower.
And that was where, and then we were able to like progress mostly peacefully up to McIntyre Park and get the hell out of there.
And you're sort of unfortunately shuffled into this motley crew of guys like in no man's land surrounded by not just violent Antifa, but I think just opportunistic blacks who are on the scene looking for trouble too.
Yeah, that's correct.
And I was standing, I'd say about 40 feet from Richard Preston.
And, you know, that One little popping sound sounded like a firecracker.
Same.
I didn't think that was a gunshot or a 22 that, like, I don't know, maybe the ammo was bad or something.
It was a nine millimeter.
So now, did you plead guilty to what did you get charged with, and what did you plead?
I got charged with malicious wounding, and I pled not guilty to malicious wounding.
And that was, and what do they accuse you of throwing a punch and a kick, something like that?
They couldn't accuse me of throwing a kick because I didn't throw a kick, and they didn't have actual evidence proving that I threw a kick because I never threw a kick.
Right.
So we proved the fact that I threw one punch to the back of the head and did absolutely no damage, which was testified by the nurse who took care of DeAndre Harris in the hospital.
And there was no damage to the back of his head or anything like that.
So I didn't really, I didn't even wound a guy, you know.
So I got charged with malicious wounding for no reason.
Yeah, at worst, it would have been a simple assault or something like that.
But of course, it was a political case.
Did they offer you a plea deal and you rejected it, or they just went whole hog on you?
Oh, they offered me a plea deal.
They said, here's your plea deal, sir.
Plead guilty to malicious wounding.
Yeah.
You're like, all right, I will gamble on a trial.
Yes, that's exactly what I did.
And, you know, I looked at the attorney and he looks at me.
He's like, yeah, I have no idea.
You know, and, you know, it was just one of those moments where the judge looks at us and he's like, so are you going to take the plea deal or not?
And I looked at the judge and I say to him, They didn't offer me a plea deal.
Right.
They gave me this expedited guilty plea.
And they just asked me to plead.
Yeah, pretty much.
Trying to save money on a trial.
Yeah.
There's no deal here.
The deal requires I get something.
All right, you plead guilty and then you get jail time.
Sounds like a good deal?
Yeah.
Yeah, two years or something, you know, or three years, no, but no, man, these dudes wanted to give me 20 years.
And I'm not sure if you guys heard about the trial or read about it, but you know, the two, the Joe Petano, whatever his name is, and Nina Anthony, Anita Anthony, were the two prosecuting attorneys.
And they were pushing to the jurors to give me 20 years.
Jesus.
And the jurors, when it came time to do the sentencing and whatnot, or, you know, for them to, you know, just say guilty or not guilty or whatnot, they found me guilty and they told the judge told them, go back and figure out how many years you want to give him.
Five or 20, you know, or five through 20.
So they went back there, came out three minutes later, and asked the judge if they can recommend for the judge to give me the amount of time.
And the judge tells them, No, this is why you're here.
This is your job.
You're supposed to give him the time.
You're the jurors.
You have to give him the time, not me.
This is a jury trial.
That's why you're here.
Go back in there and figure it out.
And this was a Charlottesville jury?
Yeah, yeah, okay.
They all lived in Charlottesville.
Not only that, but two people, no, three people in the jury were actually at the protest.
And one of those, yeah, yeah, exactly.
One of those people.
It's no, it's funny because one of those people was actually a co-worker of DeAndre Harris.
Incredible.
Yeah.
So, you know, it was a hung jury.
And maybe like two or three of those people on the trial, on the jury trial, on the jurors, actually knew the district attorneys.
So they were kind of handpicked by them.
You know, they needed your scalp.
Yep.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
You know what?
They should have just brought me to the back of the court and shot me in the back of the head.
You know what I mean?
I'm glad they did it.
And then how did they nab you?
Did they, did the FBI or U.S. Marshals come get you, or did you know that they were looking for you?
Oh, they sent.
Yeah.
Those dudes were looking for me for like three days.
And I'm in public still going to protest.
You know, I'm going to events, going to overpass rallies and stuff like that.
You know, getting a job, getting your life together.
Man, I was hanging out.
Yeah, man.
I'm just hanging out.
Like, we're standing next to cop, taking pictures next to police officers.
I'm going down to Jacksonville, Florida.
I'm at these, what do you call it?
City Council meetings about statues in Jacksonville, Florida.
And you dumbass.
Did you know that they were looking for you?
Or you just didn't care.
You were like, no, I'm going about my life.
I did.
Actually, I honestly, I had no idea they were looking for me.
I didn't know they had a warrant or anything.
I was told on Monday, I believe it was the week, the week after it was the week after I was told on a Monday that the GBI was looking for me, which is the Georgia FBI and the U.S. Marshals.
So they were both looking for me on the weekend.
And the sheriff's deputy, who grew up with my friend here, called my friend and said, hey, man, do you know somebody named Alex Michael Ramos?
He's like, yeah, he lives here with me.
It's my friend.
You know, he's my buddy or whatever, you know?
And he's like, well, FBI is looking, you know, they called them the suits.
He said, the suits are looking for him, you know?
So, and, you know, they told them, look, man, if he doesn't turn himself in, it's going to be bad.
These dudes were looking to kill me, is what they were looking for.
And that's what he told me.
He said, man, if you would have ran, they would have killed you.
That's what he said.
And when I got home, he told me that the dude, the officer that I thought was the sheriff's deputy, was actually the FBI who was in charge of looking for me.
So his buddy was an FBI agent.
And his office was looking for me pretty much.
At some point, did you turn yourself in or did they show up and grab you?
I, man, I like when they, when my friend called me and uh explained to me that they were looking for me, I said, Man, look, I'm gonna, I don't want to turn myself in, dude.
This is gonna be a shit show, they're not gonna let me go.
I already knew what was gonna happen, you know.
Um, but he said, Look, man, uh, uh, either way, you know, I'm, you know, I'm on your side out of the way.
You do what you want, and I'll back you on it.
But he said, I think you should turn yourself in.
I called my mom.
Uh, my mother told me, you know, hey, look, you should probably turn yourself in.
I don't want mom's gonna say, take a vacation to Puerto Rico right now.
Oh my god, Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico's American soil.
I know, but it wouldn't have helped you.
It would have been a short vacation if you could even get on the plane.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, I'd have to sneak over to Texas.
And, you know, at that time, Texas had that hurricane that destroyed pretty much the coastal area in the Gulf.
Right.
And, you know, I was thinking about going over there and helping with relief, but I couldn't because I had to turn myself in.
So, yeah, you know.
And then, yep, and then they so you turn yourself in and then you started doing time.
So let's talk a little bit if we could about your experience in there.
You're in one of the nastiest state prisons in Virginia.
I guess you said it was the third, third or fourth worst by reputation.
Yeah.
Yeah, the trade.
And I have a reliable source who may or may not have been a direct correspondent with you who said, yeah, it's tough for him in there.
But tell us a little bit about your psychology, you know, whether it's specific experiences or just how you dealt with it in there.
I know you weren't happy.
Well, yeah, I definitely wasn't happy.
And for the most part, I kept to myself.
I spoke to very little people.
I had a very small, small circle of people, white people.
And I didn't speak to anyone else.
I didn't sit down and eat with anyone else, anyone of color or anything like that.
White people, you know.
And were they quote unquote Nazis in prison or were they just like regular white dudes who sympathized with them?
You know, just they definitely weren't not.
I got they were good.
They were good people, you know.
See, Cantwall was like living high on the hog.
He's talking to Russian arms dealers and hanging out with Matt.
And you're like in the dungeon with the third person.
Yeah, yeah, with the third world.
Yeah, pretty much.
It was bad, man.
Like, okay, so the food was horrible.
It was like eating dog food, man.
I had to like go vegetarian in there because the meat smelled like Alpo dog food.
And I just couldn't eat that.
I could not eat that.
And they called it beef, ground beef.
It was not ground beef.
They're feeding people dog food.
It smells like dog food.
That's what it is.
It's dog food.
And the food was horrible.
The people, there were a lot of disrespectful people in there.
You know, like you see so many things happen in there.
People getting their heads smashed into the floor with boots, you know, stuff like that.
You know, and as we talked about earlier, pre-show you had these blacks who were gay closet gays who would sometimes find the weakest little white guys and rape them because they were the weakest links.
So you know that that you know that happened in prison because we heard you know a couple of people.
Yeah, yeah, we spoke to a couple guys who were like, nah, rape's not really a big thing in prison anymore.
It's rape is a big thing where I was.
You're not snatching my peanut butter, buddy.
Is that prison euphemism for butt virginity?
Excuse me.
Pretend I didn't even ask.
Yes, it is.
Yes, it is.
Did not snatch my peanut butter, buddy.
It's sad, man.
But did anybody mess with you, violence or homo-wise?
No, no.
At first, people tried to extort me and I just told them to go, you know, I'm just going to, you know, I tell them to go F off, you know.
Right.
I was go screw off, man.
Like, if you want to take my stuff, you know, where I'm at, you know, come get it.
Stuff like that.
And they'd never come.
You know, there were some bloods that walked up to me one time and I told them the same thing, man, look, man, I'm not giving you shit.
You know, and if you want something from me, you know where I'm going to be at.
Come get it.
Right.
And they were probing.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, using the phones, gang members would take over the phones.
And what I would do is if I needed to use the phone, I'd use any one of those phones.
And if a gang member would say something to me, I'd be like, so, you know, what are you going to do?
You know, if you're not taking me off the phone or trying to take me off the phone, then you're not going to do anything.
So, you know, I pretty much used any phone in there.
And I didn't really care.
You know, it's just one of the interesting things you mentioned was that there were some sympathetic officers in there for one reason or another.
What was that experience?
And why do you think they were that way toward you?
Well, you know, I guess they, you know, they knew, like Sam said, you know, you know, pre-show, you know, they sympathized, you know, like, hey, look, you're not a criminal, man.
You, you know, you just made a mistake, got in here, or something stupid, and you're not even a real criminal.
And you're just here, you know, like they knew I was a political prisoner.
And even the black officers in there, they did not agree with what Charlottesville did to any of us, you know?
Like, they actually agreed with our side more than they agreed with the leftist because they knew that the left had started all of the trouble.
And A lot of, like, no, I'm not going to say a lot of them, but you know, I guess I'm going to say about 30% of the officers in there were really decent people, you know, and you know, they give you warnings and stuff like that about what's going on or what will happen or what's going to happen, stuff like that.
And the sad thing about a lot of the officers in the Greensville Correctional Center in Virginia is that, or should I say, the Commonwealth of Virginia,
their response time when it comes to fights in the cell in the pods or whatnot, or whatever they call them, the pods, their response time is very late.
You know, someone can be getting stabbed and they'll be there three, four minutes, five minutes.
Their response time should be a minute at max.
Sure, you have no job.
Yeah.
Yeah, you have exactly one job, but they're so short staffed.
They should be, they should have at least 400 officers daily in that prison, and they only are down to about 70 because of COVID.
So they have 70 officers running that compound, and there's three sections.
There's three buildings in each section.
You got S1, S2, and S3.
So you have 11 buildings in there.
One, 11 building is the infirmary.
Yeah, that's the medical center.
You have 10 buildings.
10 is the hole.
That's restrictive housing, RHU.
And oh my God, that place is disgusting.
I lived it, trust me.
And they said, so you had to do time there for any particular reason?
Man, yes, most of the times.
What did you do?
Or why did they put you there?
Yeah.
Well, I'll tell you: all right, just this one pathetic reason they put me there, just one time.
And this one time, we used to roll little incense with like ink, like prayer oil.
They dip toilet paper in it and roll it with their hands and light it up like incense.
And an officer walks by during count time.
And my cellmate at the time was coughing as he walked by.
So he walks back and he looks in there.
And I didn't know this, but I had it in my hand.
And he's like, come here for a sec.
I'm like, what?
And he's like, let me see that.
I'm like, oh, come on, man.
This is not what you think it is.
Sure.
And he's like, I don't care.
I don't care.
Come here.
You know, it was this African dude.
He didn't, he didn't care, man.
Like, he assumed it was weed and it wasn't.
There was nothing in there.
So they locked me up for having contraband for three weeks.
And I spent three weeks in the hole for having marijuana contraband that I never had.
And a lot of the officers that came around, they called the entire compound, all the officers, all the supervisors.
And one of the supervisors came over.
It was this white lady, and she was a sergeant.
She's like, I'm sorry this guy did this to you.
And I'm like, huh?
You know, like, what?
And she's like, yeah, I'm really sorry he did this to you.
But since he called everyone, we have to do this.
But if you would have just called me, I would have just let you go back to your cell and go about your business.
But they take pictures of it.
I got to tell you, Alex, I mean, and I'm not blowing smoke here.
You suffered more than almost anyone for attending that day.
Obviously, James Fields will forever be the number one on that list.
And I think are there, yeah, there's what two, are there still two more guys still locked up from that day, Goodwin and Borden?
Yep.
Are they Borden's out?
Okay.
Borden's been, Borden was out before me, and then I got out at the Borden, and now it's Goodwin.
Okay.
But I think, go ahead.
Yeah, I think it was just three of us who did a lot of time for that.
But for your suffering, you know, obviously that event became a world historical bookmark of great significance.
I'm not even using, sorry about the dog.
But a ton of guys have said that that was a seminal moment.
Dog sees deer out there.
Wherever there are deer, she must chase them even at 11 o'clock at night.
But a ton of guys said that that moment woke them up or brought them our way or revealed the sickness of the system.
So it's easy for me to say your sacrifice was not in vain, but do you understand that or agree with that?
Or I would certainly not blame you if you were bitter about the whole damn thing.
Man, I'm not bitter at all, man.
Like if I could, I'd do it again.
And that was going to be one of my questions.
I'd do it all over again.
And same here.
Yeah.
Adolf Hitler.
Adolf Hitler said people will not follow a cause unless they see people making great sacrifices for it.
So that goes exactly with what you're saying.
People see that people suffer for this cause and therefore it will attract people.
What a soldier, Sam, too.
Think about how many guys have like left after getting doxxed or like getting a little slap on the wrist.
And here's Alec, who wasn't even necessarily, you know, hardcore ideological.
There he goes that day, ends up doing five freaking years.
Yeah.
And he comes out.
Yeah, I'd go back and damn it.
I'm more committed than ever.
God bless you, Alex.
Seriously.
Yeah, man.
You know, like, I, you know, when my mom died, I thought my sacrifice was just a wasteless sacrifice.
And then I thought about it and I'm like, you know what?
Man, my, my mom would be, my mom was always proud of me and she was still proud of me, even with the situation.
And I'm proud of myself, honestly, you know, and those dudes, they should all go to prison for what they did to us.
And in due time, man, hopefully in due time.
Amen, brother.
Let's just talk for as long as we want, then we'll take a break.
I have a few more questions.
We don't, it doesn't have to be too long or it can be long, whatever.
You're great, radio, and I'm so proud to have you on.
How re-entering civilian life, did they set you up with a job?
I know that a bunch of our guys were helping out with rides and housing and stuff like that.
Be honest, what's life like today?
Are you okay?
Is there, I think you have a private fundraiser, but whatever you're comfortable with sharing about life now, re-entering society.
Re-entering society was a little bit awkward for me because I went from, yeah, man, I went from like prison being with like nothing but men all the time and just listening to like this loud sound all the time from 6 a.m. all the way till about 10 p.m. at night, just loud, loud, loud, just loud.
It sounded like a zoo, you know, and coming out, I didn't think I would feel as good as I did being around other people.
You know, I'm more sociable now than I was before prison.
You know, I talk to people more.
Yeah, it's just like it changed my life, man.
Like it made me a better me.
So even, yeah, even though so many of us are like, oh, this Y-American hellhole dystopia, when you compare and contrast with five years of prison, you're like, hey, this place isn't so bad.
Well, hard times will either make you better or make you worse.
Yeah, exactly.
And well, and for the most part, I'm doing all right.
You know, I'm not in prison.
So, you know, that's, that's a very good plus for me.
I'm not in prison.
I'm, I'm definitely not stressed out.
I'm not in a very bad situation.
And I'm not in a really uncomfortable situation either, you know?
So it's, you know, I'm in a temporary situation.
And you know what?
That's, that's what happens when you got to start from the ground back up.
So I'm all right with it, you know?
I'm if there's a gift send go or a private, you know, cash app or whatever, let us know in the chat after the show.
We can either disseminate it privately.
I know that you've gotten support to date from a lot of people, but you're still not out of the woods yet.
So don't be too shy to share that.
And I wasn't going to do this, but I have to ask whatever you only live once.
You mentioned very kindly in a separate chat that there was a certain pen pal who helped keep you sane when you were behind the wire.
May I ask who was it?
Who was that out?
Right.
That was Wolfie there.
Yes.
Yes.
Wolfie.
Wolfie was a great company to me.
She was very conversive.
You know, when I had no one to talk to, I could get a message from her.
And for me, conversation kept me alive in prison.
You know, like your mind goes blank in there when you don't have anyone to talk to.
You have people to talk to in there, but not like you do out here.
And there, people don't want to conversate about real life things, whether it's a story about something blowing over or a tree falling on a house or a gate or some beer crossing the road and you nearly hitting it or whatnot.
It doesn't matter.
A conversation is a conversation.
Good reminder for big help.
And I really appreciate her a lot for talking me through the past two years.
I wouldn't have asked if you hadn't volunteered that the other day.
There were many a night where she was sitting there furiously pecking at her laptop and I'd say, What the hell are you working on over there?
She's like, I'm writing, I'm right, I'm writing my prisoners.
I was like, Oh, God bless you.
And of course, I was like, Well, you probably got Ramos covered, so let me try one of these other guys.
She wrote tons more letters than I do.
I'm not trying to steal valor there, but hopefully, hopefully, Alex, I'm repaying my lack of correspondence with you a little bit with this wonderful show.
And I am damn since I'm smiling through the mic to hear that you are still good-hearted and committed and getting back into the swing of things as we mentioned it.
Now, I got to ask for your benefit too.
Are you currently, sir, an eligible bachelor?
Are you seeing anybody or are you dating?
No, I'm not seeing anyone.
Okay, no, no dating or anything.
All right, ladies, you heard it.
Yeah, he came out ripped.
He's got tons of cool tattoos and shiv scars, and uh, he still has his peanut butter.
I still have my peanut butter, man.
That's what's really important.
Oh, my God.
That's what's I got, I gotta let the dog in.
Go ahead, Sam Roll.
I'll be right back in 10 seconds.
Yeah, that's all right.
How did it feel to get out that first day, man?
Uh, it was awkward.
It was uh, it was really strange for me, man.
I didn't, I didn't know what to feel like that day, man.
You felt like from Shawshank Redemption.
Oh, wait, wait, which one is Brooks?
Is that the black dude or the white dude at hung himself?
It was the white guy that hung himself.
Oh, my God, dude.
No, man, no, no, I didn't feel like that.
What was the first thing you did, man?
If you went to a titty bar, don't tell us.
Yeah, no, no, my friend.
If you went to a gay bar, don't tell us.
Yeah, don't tell us that for sure.
Yeah, no, no, the first thing I did was uh I went to a Walmart and uh, I see you.
You were you were so fixed on that prison life.
You needed to get a little taste of it.
Oh my God, look, look, being in prison was like living in Walmart.
Yeah, the service is horrible, but uh, like, I know, I needed some, I needed some stuff, so uh, I had to go to Walmart.
And my anonymous friend who went with me to Charlottesville, he bought me a coat and some clothing and stuff like that.
And um, you know, it was freezing that day too.
I walked out in the rain and a Corey Rain with a t-shirt and uh a pair of khaki pants that these dudes gave us.
And uh, so yeah, we just went to Walmart and he bought me some stuff.
And, you know, he's spent about $300 on me, you know, bought me a phone.
You know, he hooked me up.
Amen.
Yeah, he's like, oh man, I got, yeah, he got off scot-free in comparison.
You know, it's, I mentioned the letters to Alex because it's so important for our guy.
There's plenty of guys who didn't go to Charlottesville who are behind bars for political reasons now.
But it was gminority.org.
I just went to check it out and the site didn't come up, but they are still up on Telegram.
I will make a note to actually put that in the show notes.
Sometimes I don't actually fulfill my promises about show notes and details, but check that out, guys.
Everybody's always asking, oh, you know, what can I do today to help?
And like there's nothing easier or cheaper or arguably more personally impactful, as Alex can attest than just giving these guys a little bit of information about news, politics, life, whatever, to get them some mail and even better, get them some commentary to help them through.
Alex, last question before the first half.
And then are you still game to play two with us, my friend?
Yeah, sure.
All right.
All right.
What is your favorite?
What's your favorite childhood memory, Alex?
This is ostensibly the dad show, but we wander pretty far afield sometimes.
Take us back to childhood memory.
Anything that comes to mind, it doesn't have to be like super significant, but just you think about your mom and your pops.
What pops into your head?
Well, my mom, she would always let me and my brother stay out late when we were kids.
I was like nine and my brother was like 10 years old.
And we're running around like teenagers, you know.
In the streets of the Bronx after the streets of the streets.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
We lived in the dead end Bronx.
It was like the dead end, the very dead end of the Bronx.
And it was pretty much no one there.
So it was like, it was like a suburban area, but also there were factories around and railroad tracks.
And we would go hang out in the railroad tracks and jump on the freight trains and ride up to like the next town over and stuff.
And freight train.
Yeah, man.
It was like, yeah, yeah, we do stupid things like that, man.
It was just, yeah, we had a lot of fun, man.
We had our dogs home with us.
Our dogs would, you know, watch us, you know, pretty much.
And them dogs were wild.
So if someone came and attacked us, those dudes were done for.
They weren't pit bulls, were they?
No, they weren't pit bulls.
Yeah, we won't crack that can of worms.
It was just like we, it was this dog.
He like came out of nowhere and yeah, he just came out of nowhere and started following us.
So we kept him.
And I don't know what he was, but he was like beyond larger than a pit bull.
And he, like, we had this dog who looked like kind of like a red, a red fox and a coyote.
Yeah, man.
And it was, she was just a really smart dog.
She was really smart.
And she went everywhere with us.
And since the big dog liked us, like us and her, he kept on following us around.
And, you know, we kept him.
That's really cool, man.
Yeah, we just kept him, bathed him, you know, stuff like that.
And my mom was cool with it, you know.
She picked up strays all the time.
Dude, hopping freight trains with your little brother in the Bronx up and back is probably one of the best answers we've gotten to favorite childhood memories on this show.
Sincerely, brother.
All right, we got to take a break.
Alex Ramos is newly liberated and he's grateful for it too.
He's not some sour puss complaining about how bad society is and how awful treatment was.
He's got a smile on his face and you can hear it in his voice too.
And because of his dutiful stoic service at Charlottesville after the fact, and now again, the least we can do, Alex, aside from having you on the show, is give you the musical selection for our break this week.
What are we listening to and why?
It is another brick in the wall.
Why?
Well, because, like the kids say in there, we don't need no education because we're already smart and we don't need no self-control because we can control ourselves anyway.
Amen.
All right.
I'm looking forward to the second half.
God bless Alex and Fam.
We'll be right back.
We don't need no thoughts control.
No dark sarcasm in the classroom.
She'll leave them All in all, it's just a breaking the wall.
All in all, you're just a breaking the wall.
They're not made up, take it past them.
They're not made up for control.
The dark sarcasm in the classroom.
Take a favor, kids aloud.
Hey, take some face aloud.
Hold it all, you'll just have a break in the wall.
Hold it all, you're just not Hey,
welcome back to Full House episode 150.
You know, across my mind, 150.
We really should have done a special show for the moment.
And then, what do you know?
That first half was damn special.
And we are honored and delighted to have Alex Ramos back with us to play two, as we say here in the business.
Uh, continued quality banter and jokes in the second half.
I laughed harder during the break there.
Sorry.
Uh, and hopefully, we'll keep it up for you here in the second half.
What was it that the audience really cracked?
Oh, they really loved it when we roasted uh Arian Stallion 1488, which I listen, buddy.
We've been totally backed up on guests.
We will get it.
I know, I know, you get his name, you show him some respect.
I'm doing it intentionally.
You know how important he is to this movement.
I don't think you understand.
Listen, Sanders sincerely wants to have him on.
I'm willing to play Honest Broker.
Rolo's jumping at the bit to roast him like a jerk.
Uh, but yeah, Alex, uh, we had a fan long, long hate mail because I didn't respond quickly enough, so we just uh skewered them.
We don't normally respond quickly enough, it's that you didn't procure him a wine.
Yeah, geez, well, you know, you know what else the fans like?
I hate to say it, awkward moment here.
They like when Coach abuses Rolo.
I hate to bring that out, and I'm sorry, Rolo.
I think the fans like it more when Coach doesn't abuse Rollo.
I feel like more people are starting to write it.
They don't mention it, they don't mention it.
Coach, leave Rolo alone.
He doesn't does anyone ever make fun of you for the name, like the commercial.
That's why you rolled it out.
Despite being in chats with me, everybody seems to not know how to spell my name, even though it's spelled there.
1L, not two.
Yeah, right.
Candy that way.
No, the reality is that roasting the talent or the producers is of probably an origin from listening to Howard Stern all those years when he would just abuse, you know, Jackie the Joke man or Fred the producer or whatever.
So that's my modern tradition.
Yeah, I know.
All right.
Sorry.
I learned it from Howard Stern.
Sorry, guys.
They call those Jewish priors.
Seriously, literally.
Well, it's too late now.
I am not reformable at this late stage in my life.
41 almost 42.
Anyway, before we get too far afield here, new white life at the top to Big Nat, who the madman was rocking pit vipers in the delivery room with a big old smile on his face next to his beautiful wife and his firstborn son.
Big Nat, congratulations.
Bold move there in the delivery room.
He and Wifey and new precious baby boy looked all happy, healthy, and ready to rock and roll.
We wish you many more, Big Nat and wife.
And to Hook, our old pal from the Fatherland days.
Now, Hook apparently was like working with Jim toward those later Fatherland episodes, which I did not know or I missed, but he just slid into my DMs with a selfie.
And I was like, wait, what the hell is going on here?
He's like, don't worry, that's me.
That was you and me at T WrestleMania like three, five years ago, however long it was.
And I said, oh, what's up, brother?
Yeah, I remember that.
We both had big old grins on our faces.
But regardless of Hook and I reconnecting, he and his wife have had two in the past three years and have another one on the way.
So we'll give all credit to Jim and the fatherland for that one.
And of course, to Hook and his lovely wife.
Miss you, bro.
Good to see you.
Yep.
And see, and that was an example.
See, I had a different monologue.
One of the reasons that this show is so delayed is because our special return birth panelist has been such a prima donna on scheduling.
I had one perfectly teed up.
Sam, Rolo, and I came to our laptops and our desktops all ready to go.
And he said, sorry, something came up.
I got a bail.
But next week, if he doesn't come on next week, he's out of the will, out of the talent queue because we got too many good guys back up.
But yeah, I don't know how I got onto that from Hook and the Fatherland, regardless.
But that's one of the reasons why we're so delayed.
And then I took the kids up to see my parents for my dad's birthday.
But regardless, to Mr. and Mrs. K, Mr. K reached out in a very taciturn way and he just said, my son was born around Christmas time.
I said, okay, thank you.
Not everybody wants to set a picture or glow about it, but way to go, guys.
And then finally, we got a really kind note from a longtime listener, longtime friend, didn't want to be named on the show, but Sam and probably Rolo would recognize him, know who he is.
And he says, hey, don't want to be featured on the show, at least not yet, but I am 43 years old, never married, and might just finally have gotten it together in finding the right woman.
I appreciate the weekly pep talks that Full House provides.
You guys rock and great episode with Cantwell.
Thank you very much, buddy.
I won't say your name, Tom Smith.
No, it's not Tom Smith.
But anyway, yep.
Always, always, guys, feel free to send us those good notes.
I have one coach.
Yeah, have it, Sam.
Please.
Yeah.
One of our guys, they just gave birth just the other day.
I won't say the day, I guess.
I'll keep it.
It was just a few days ago.
And little boy.
And I had given the announcement before on the show.
I'm going to post the picture here in the chat just for you guys, of course.
But healthy, happy boy.
And parents are very excited.
And this is a great guy, a great guy and a great gal.
The guy's been active in our group and he's brought his wife along.
She's wonderful as well.
So congratulations to them.
Absolutely.
Beautiful photo.
Really well swaddled.
He looks like a cozy, cozy Pepe in there.
Yeah, he knows who he is.
I'm not going to give his handle or anything, but congratulations to them.
Hell yeah.
One of the guys, I won't say even his sock name, but he reached out to us and we actually did a full house feds meeting feds eligible bachelor's bit that he wrote.
And I don't think that he met the beautiful lady as a result of the show, but regardless, the last time I saw him, he had a beautiful girlfriend on his arm and they looked happy.
So I hope that's still going well, knock on wood.
And the thought occurs, if Rolo is our full house number one eligible bachelor today, then I don't know, we're going to have to have Cantwell and Ramos, you know, in a cage match, just to relive their experiences to see who's number one.
All right.
So Alex only gets to use his fists, but Cantwell does get to use pepper spray.
You know, it's epidemics of the Charlottesville.
Very good.
Yeah.
Alex has to go and his wife Peter.
Yep.
And oh my God.
You wish you dressed up a little bit that day now, buddy?
No, what happened was I had to take my shirt off because someone maced the living hell out of me, man.
And it was just ridiculous.
I couldn't keep that shirt on anymore, man.
Everyone I tried to meet was like, what's that smell?
I'm like, I got mace.
Yeah, it's insane.
Did you get the milk in the eye treatment or you just have to power something?
Oh my God.
Yeah.
The magnesia stuff.
Actually, in the garage, I had went back into the garage to, you know, I was hoping in a way that I did not severely injure, you know, the idiot that used the mag light.
So I went back to see if he was getting up off the floor.
And as I went in there, people were actually going to hit him again.
And a bunch of us just said, yo, just let him go, you know, let him go.
You know, and I was one of those guys.
And as he was running past, someone aimed to mace him, but got me right in the eye.
Friendly fire.
Yes.
And the crazy part about it was one of the guys that was in the garage with us said, grab my backpack.
Don't let go.
And I was like, all right.
And, you know, he marched me out of there.
I walked out.
This dude said, look, man, I don't have water and I don't have milk, but I have chocolate milk.
All right.
That's probably better because it's got more sugar in it.
Maybe.
Well, I don't know.
Look, I don't know if it was better or not, but it felt amazing to pour in my eyes.
It was like the worst.
That mace was the worst people with the sunlight and everything.
You know, the sweat, the pores opening up with your sweat and stuff like that.
And the more your sweat drips into your eyes, the more the mace gets in there.
So I poured that chocolate milk into my eyes.
Like, oh my God, dude.
Yeah.
Thank that guy who gave me the chocolate milk.
You know, I mean, Jesus, man.
I wish I could thank him right now because It felt great.
Yeah, if you ever even get a whiff of that mace, man, it's extremely powerful.
You know, I got sort of maced one time.
I told the story before, but I'll just quickly give a remembrance of it.
We were driving in the car.
This is my ex-wife, actually.
And we had three kids in the back seat.
And we're pulling up on this bus stop.
And there's all these niggers standing there at the bus stop.
And so we're kind of going by it.
We didn't stop, but we were going by at not a real fast speed on a city street.
And so she pulls out her thing of mace and she sprays it to the niggers, but it all gets sucked in the back window and into the car.
And like she maced the entire.
Yeah, she makes the entire.
I don't even know if it got the, I don't know if, I don't even know if she got the niggers or not.
Maybe the little bit, but we got most of it, I think.
At least it felt like it.
Yeah, I'm like, what the hell are you doing trying to drive the cars?
There's all this mace in the car.
Yeah.
So I know that it's, it's, uh, it's very powerful.
Even a little bit of it is very powerful.
Go ahead, Alex.
Now, I'm sorry.
Now, look, look, right.
I smoked cigarettes.
I had a pack of cigarettes in Marlborough's.
I was a Marlboro man.
I don't smoke cigarettes anymore.
But I smoked a lot of cigarettes and I had a pack of cigarettes, you know, Marlboro Reds in my pocket.
And every time I tried to smoke one, it tasted like mace.
And I'm wondering why.
So I threw the whole pack away and I had to buy a new pack because I'm smoking mace.
You know, it just drenched down my body because it was so hot that day.
There you go.
But yeah, man, it just felt like you were in the wife.
Yeah, why you were in the wife beater.
I want to give a shout out to our art guy, too.
I won't say his sock name even, but he's so good that he's like, coach, how does this look for the upcoming show?
I'm like, you know, Chef Kisses Fingers perfect for this episode in advance.
Oh, that actually, that photo was amazing.
And that also, that's the one you guys posted earlier.
Yep.
But yeah, he was like, I like it.
I can make any changes you need.
And I'm like, looks perfect to me.
Unless you want to apologize.
That photo was taken by Antifa at a protest that I went to against Antifa.
And at that time, I had the megaphone in my hand.
And I'm saying, you know, because they're standing there, you know, they're just standing there with their signs saying, you know, whites of parents, blah, blah, blah, right-wing this, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, I'm like, you robots, you know, you look like robots, you cyborgs and stuff.
Like, you know, I was just talking crap to them, you know, just trolling these dudes.
And it was just fun.
You know, like I was just talking crap.
You know, it was just activism is fun.
A moment immortalized.
And yeah, thanks to our, we'll call him our art director, further immortalized.
That's all right, man.
Compliments, compliments.
I don't know, just real quick on the pepper spray.
I have to tell this one.
I don't know if I told it on the show because I was so embarrassed, but I was camping with the kids one evening and set up the tent.
And then there's a stream down below.
And the campground is sort of on like just a little plateau above the stream.
And we're bear country.
So I brought bear mace.
And, you know, it's getting dark.
And I'm like, let me make sure that this old can of bear mace still works.
And of course, I'm not totally retarded.
So I made sure the kids were nowhere anywhere in my 180-degree field of vision.
So I just give it a good, vigorous spray.
Oh, yeah, that works.
And then, like, three seconds later, I hear, ah, what's that?
And the wind had carried it toward the kids.
They were, they were down, they were behind me and down at the street.
And the damn, damn wind carried.
Now, granted, they weren't like crying.
You know, it was just like an uncomfortable smell in the air.
But technically, you know, maybe I don't know if I shared this on the show because I was too embarrassed or I was afraid.
Father Bear Mace's kids, but they caught a vague whiff of bear mace because I wanted to make sure that that thing worked before we went to bed.
Even a little bit of it is very powerful.
Yeah.
They were not.
You guys want to hear something funny?
All right.
Well, in prison, you can put ghost peppers and reapers, Carolina Reapers or whatever they call them, in the microwave.
Prisoners can five minutes.
Prisoners can cook them in the microwave?
No, just put them in there for five minutes.
Oh, yeah.
And then you got a real.
You'll have the entire building choking because it's burning the peppers dry.
And the fuse from the peppers is going through the ventilation system and it's choking everyone out like mace.
So someone did that one time.
I didn't realize what they were doing.
They were trying to dry these peppers out.
Meanwhile, everyone's in there like, who's spraying pepper spray or mace?
Yeah.
And everyone's choking out, crying out their eyes, snotting all this stuff.
Man, they found that place with those peppers, dude.
Prison hacks, courtesy of Alex Ramos.
Alex, you're going to be our official prison correspondent.
Don't go back.
We don't need to go.
No, absolutely not.
I will never have ever.
Actually, go ahead.
My probation officer, she shows up on the property like two days ago by surprise.
No, actually, it was, it was last, it was Saturday, last week, Saturday.
I was working on my truck and she pulls up quietly, sneaks, she sneaks up.
And I turn around and I'm like, oh, hey, how's it going?
You know, like, like, I knew she was coming or whatever, you know.
But she's asking me all these questions like, where do you live?
Is this where you stand?
I just needed to make sure that this is where you stand.
I needed your, yeah, I need you to send me proof of this, proof of that, blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, yeah, I got it.
Okay, sure, sure, sure.
You know, she's all right, actually, you know.
She's pretty, pretty, she's pretty laid back.
Just don't, you know, just don't screw her over.
And she's not violating you, you know?
So good stuff.
Campbell said the same about his.
It's like, it's like when your wife gets home unexpectedly and you just happen to be like cleaning up the house or doing the dishes, you're like, yes, you're working on the truck.
Yeah, man.
It's just, it was so weird, man.
But it was one of the most awkward moments I've ever had in my life.
How long are you on probation or supervised release?
Three years.
Three years.
It sucks, but it's pretty.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it'll be less than that.
But speaking of good news, I did want to flag that our good pal, Tom Sewell from Down Under.
This is somewhat old news now, but in case you missed it, he did get only 150 hours of community service for the dust up at the media shop.
It's the first legal hurdle that he had where he had a tussle with the security guard.
And I have to say that Tom Sewell is now officially excommunicated from the Full House family because in that Tour de Forest Courthouse steps announcement or an interview that he did with the hostile press, he broke that he is going to be a father.
And the bastard had promised us.
Yeah.
That was a curse.
That was a curse.
I know, right?
Tom is out.
Tom's out of the will.
He's not welcome back anymore.
That was our scoop.
No, I'm kidding.
Of course.
She's getting close with that, right?
Yeah, because he knew when he came on last time, but he was like, it's too early.
It's too early, mate.
Yeah, it's a lop.
It would be a lop to announce it right now.
So anyway, Tom, congratulations.
There's new, yeah, I'm giving conception and however many months in they are to our great pal, Tom Sewell.
Got to be getting close.
We chatted a little bit after that.
Just he may go up there and be the best one to just absolutely dress down those media commies and get straight to him.
And then published a lot of people.
That was great.
Icing on the cake.
Yeah.
You're familiar with him, Alex, since coming out.
I'm sure you probably never heard of him until you got out.
Yeah.
Congratulations, Tom and all of our buddies down under, who we are increasingly good pals with, at least online.
Okay.
Sam, let's go to you.
It's like most people listening know that there has been some quote unquote drama, which is a gay word.
Kerfuffle.
It's a kerfuffle, a dust up, some quarrels and struggles.
And I'm not being coy here.
I absolutely don't want to air dirty laundry or chum the water for the enemy, but I also don't know.
Just pretend, oh, everything's fine, you know, and hunky-dory in our thing.
But go ahead, Sam, whatever you had some thoughts.
Yeah, I just had some reflections on it.
You know, it's very tangential.
It's not even directly necessarily to the circumstance.
But before that, I want to quickly tell a little story because maybe in that first half there, no doubt, some listeners saying now when we were interviewing with Alex there and the Puerto Rican thing came up many, many years ago, many, and I'm talking many years ago, but I was at a gig and there was this cute girl there, Skinbird, and I was talking to her.
And, you know, I was sporting my gear as well.
And then, you know, as we were talking about things came up about racial politics and stuff.
And she says, yeah, well, you know, but I'm Puerto Rican.
And I said, but you're not white.
You know, this girl looked perfectly white to me, you know, a very pretty girl.
And like, she just had not thought of that.
You know, it's like, well, oh, well, you know, I guess so.
And so just in case anyone out there thinks that Puerto Rican background person is not a white person, that is not correct or not necessarily correct, at least.
And so I just thought I would contribute that little tidbit there.
And before we move on, Sam, quick, quick question for Alex.
I mean, I understand why white Americans would have at least resentment about, in particular, the Puerto Rican influx that happened so massively into New York City.
I mean, they reacted the same way when the Irish came en masse, just because it's a massive influx of a different ethnic group.
But are Puerto Ricans, you know, is it like Mexico where you have a small cast of, you know, actual Spanish Portuguese blood or are like most Puerto Ricans blended with Indios, if you even know, because I just think of Puerto Ricans as Hispanics.
I never really dug into their actual ethnic origins.
Actually, I don't know 100% about Puerto Ricans, but I know.
about 60%.
And for sure, the majority of Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico are European blood.
And they're just in denial about it because they want to be brown.
But for the most part, if you see a Puerto Rican person, they're pale, they don't tan, yeah, blue eyes, green eyes, blonde hair, you know, hazel eyes, stuff like that.
They're European descendants.
I tan, but I don't tan.
I'm like, you know, I'm half half and half of whatever, man.
I don't really, I burn, you know.
Well, like I told this girl, I said, you know, you could take a picture of like downtown San Juan and it would look like any American city.
You'd have blondes and redheads and brown hair and black hair and everything else.
You know, I mean, so it's, I would say you got to take people one by one.
You know, I'm looking at picture of Alex Ramos right now on this screen.
This is a white man.
There's no question about it in my mind.
And so, you know, different people have different reactions to that word.
And that's why I thought I would throw that in there.
Good point, Sam.
Yeah.
But I thought I would, you know, share some reflections on it.
Feel free to interrupt me if you will.
But I was thinking about like 10 years ago, you know, 10 years ago, I was on Stormfront, you know, stormfront.org.
It's still going, by the way, you know, but as it was going on, first it was free and then it was, I don't know how much it was, and then it was 60 bucks and then it was again 60 bucks.
And this is when, you know, by that time, a lot of other things were coming on that were free.
And at one point, I just didn't re-up my 60 bucks to be on there anymore.
And anyways, it was very clunky.
You know, it was very clunky compared to Telegram, which I'm looking at right now in front of me.
And, but it was kind of like a product of how the technology changed.
You could probably make some kind of graph starting from the year 2000, how many adult Americans had a cell phone.
I always had a cell phone through those times because I worked and or I'm working.
And so, you know, as part of my job and things like that, we had even from 2000, I had a cell phone, but it was a flip phone, of course.
And then, you know, when I was I was working this job and then they said, okay, we're going to give you an iPhone.
Well, I wasn't even going to stay at that job long, but they gave me an iPhone for however many months or less than a year that I was remaining there and I quit.
And then I went somewhere else and they gave me a flip phone, but it was just a couple of years and they gave me an iPhone, you know, and that was really great.
Excuse me.
And so, you know, about that time, 2013, 2014 is when you were getting cell phones and more adults were having cell phones and not only cell phones, but iPhones and iPhones and the apps were changing where Stormfront was more appropriate to be sitting at the computer like I'm doing now and you would type on there and something like that.
AOL instant messenger and speech.
Yeah, real time as opposed to on the road.
It was clunky.
Did not.
You know, you did not post images, you did not post videos and things like that.
So, but then in 2014 and 2015, you had the apps changing.
You know a lot of, a lot of things in our uh history, in our society.
Um, you're cracking me up Rollo with these photos here uh but uh, you know a lot of a lot of things in history is like changes when technology changes.
Right, you got Stone Age, the Bronze Age, Iron Age, silicon Age, maybe the internet age, you know.
So it's always like a change in technology that changes things, even like the fax machine.
That's what brought down the Soviet Unionist fax machine, you know.
And so uh, not to go on too long about that, but so what, what you had?
So we all know that in this society there, that there are, and especially in the past there were, taboos that you cannot um, you cannot talk about right, and suppressed uh, suppressed opinions and things that you know you just can't bring up.
But with this change of uh technology and the availability of apps and especially smartphones, people were uh able to uh, uh get on these apps and talk to each other, and there is an anonymity right, an anonymity that that was uh available in those years, and so, guess what?
People were able to start talking about things going on in America and in the world and and talk they did right.
And so we had this tearing down of the status quo, and you had critiques of Jewish power, let's say, or or or a criticism of the civil rights movement, or um letting the cat out of the bag when it came to homos or whatever it is, and and uh.
The thing is, it wasn't just white people that had those critiques, it was also there were, let's say um, homos that had a critique of the, the Lgbt right, because I remember there was this, this guy, Greg Johnson, and he was making his uh rounds and inroads and he would be on podcasts, and I can even remember one of my sons saying, like how in the world can this guy even be in our thing when he's a homo?
You know, but the thing was in those days, because of the anonymity of, of the internet and of these apps, people could chime in, because you would have even blacks who would have a critique of this phony civil rights movement we have and, and you would have, like I said homos, or you would have uh, Asians who would talk about the Niggers or whatever it is, and including Jews, or half Jews,
let's say that would have their critique of the uh uh uh frailness of the society, or the hypocrisy in the society, or the injustice especially in the society.
And because society had been suppressing these opinions so long and so well this, this new venue, caused a breakout, right, of this thing.
And so people were with a lot of humor, you know, criticizing and bringing these things out.
Well, guess what?
You can't just stay in that position because then it turns to things like critique of World War II, right?
And who was the good guys and who was the bad guys and what really happened or didn't happen, especially in terms of the Holocaust.
And again, you would have people who are not necessarily white, but who are making these same types of critiques.
Well, guess what?
You know, when this thing matures, well, okay, well, what do we stand for?
You know, because you just can't stand against something.
And that's what those early days were.
You can't remain a 4chan troll forever.
So what?
Go ahead.
You want to say something?
Not with that attitude is, Sam, if I'm picking up what you're putting down, it's that, you know, the big, woolly, olden internet days enabled, and especially when there was very few viral things.
Easy for me to say, of course, there were back then, but I wasn't involved.
It was easy to have, in theory, a digital big tent.
And then when things, when the rubber starts to hit the road, you realize that some of these people probably don't belong or are more trouble than their worst raise more questions than they solve.
The implications of it are just, you know, it's just like a logical thing that works itself out.
If this, then that, you know, and eventually we started, we, meaning, you know, whoever was talking at that time and around, well, I guess we're white nationalists.
Well, guess what?
When that happens, now you get the real white nationalists.
Now you get the real Nazis and you get the real Klansmen and the Christian identity and the pagans and the free men and all these types of people.
Then those people, now that's like a really different type of person than this wise cracking internet troll that was the start of this new era.
And I'm not even criticizing that because that having fun and good humor and everything we learned from that and people learned from each other because of all the suppression of the things.
However, this is coming up to the point.
I don't know that I'm even really trying to make a point.
I'm just making reflection because then we have situations come up where somebody like doesn't belong.
And then and people, wherever they stand on that question, are like indignant about it.
So maybe people like me.
And there's even a word from this came up, the so-called 1.0, right?
That's how the new people would refer to the people that were these other white nationalists who kind of got entrained in it.
They would say 1.0, which is kind of mildly pejorative, which is fine.
But you could see that this was the difference between the two.
Purity spirals versus principles comes to mind, Sam.
You having a very hard line on a certain thing, whether it's homosexuality or Jew admixture, you could be one person would say that that is a wise, principled stand that will save us a lot of time down the road and problems down the road.
Whereas another person, granting good intent and wisdom, would say, no, that is a purity spiral.
Look at all the good work that this person has done.
And Greg, Greg is a perfect example of that, unfortunately, because his writing did wake me up or at least formatively say nationalism is a good term.
It's not a dirty term.
And that's the thing.
I had good takes.
The guy had good takes.
There's, you know, but, but what is the logical extension?
Where, where are we going?
You know, you cannot just remain in this wise cracking irony and internet troll, even though that's not to say that any of that is bad per se, you know.
But I guess where all I'm offering is a reflection, because like I said, there's this kind of moral indignation on one side or the other, depending who and how they're affected.
And I only offer this reflection to say, like, maybe somebody like me, instead of being absolutely riled by, you know, a certain revelation of somebody being a Mishling, let's just say, for example, you know, and then somebody on the other side, somebody who's maybe especially of a certain age or below a certain age, who would, who would use that term 1.0 somewhat derisively, you know, that person has to see,
you know, that type of person has to see that ultimately things lead to other things.
And this being just merely a critique of the hypocritical racial dynamics in this society is not a destination unto itself.
You know, and so that's really no conclusion exactly, but it's just some thoughts anyways that might help people, you know, understand where it is.
And maybe even, you know, depending where you fall on that whole line of thinking.
It should get their noggins jogging regardless, because as you were, as you were speaking, I started sketching out a very pedestrian diagram here, which I'm trying to think through the conflicts between loyalty or principles when it comes to our ideals, right?
There's there's what our ideal society would be, whether it is 100% European stock, 0.0% Jews under national socialism.
And that's what we're, and that's, there's nothing wrong with setting that as the ideal.
I'm not knocking it.
Obviously, it's a bridge too far at the moment.
But then there's also this very thorny problem about loyalty to our friends and men and women who we have known and had drinks with and celebrated children with for years.
That there's the gap, the gap between what we want and what we argue for and how we get there.
And then all of our friendships, which cross over different organizations and groups and stuff like that.
And there's turf wars and disagreements over messaging and things like that.
I, you know, call me naive or like Pollyannish or whatever, but if I were, and I am not the fewer by any respect, but if I were to craft something, I would want to have sort of a pure ideal, but also a lot of flexibility and big practicality.
Practicality.
Exactly.
On the way there while extending goodwill and trust and allow for dissent and disagreement to all good men of good faith.
And that does not include, you know, sort of nasty perennially online people who love to snipe.
And there are good people who do that too.
But, you know, it's just all these things are extremely wrought with like, and the other thing too, the crabs in the bucket metaphor comes up kind of haunts me.
I wish that I had never heard it because it's so painful to think about how relatively small our numbers are.
They're growing and they're significant, but they're still relatively small compared to the power centers and the idea that we will still claw at each other over these things.
But at the same time, like that, like this is, it's not unique to us.
We just happen to be very principled and opinionated and willing, like we're willing to go out on a limb for our ideals that are totally contrary to the monolithic system messaging that's pervasive in the world today.
And guess what?
When you're in a small group with strong opinions that are contrary to the thing, you're going to have strife.
Families have strife.
Coworkers have strife.
Normie friends have strife just as bad as we do.
It's not unique to us.
That's the thing that also came to mind is like, guys, don't take yourselves so seriously.
Like, you know, this is normal human beef, for lack of a better term.
It's not like we have some fatal Achilles heel that we are doomed to fight against each other.
Well, here's the thing.
As I've observed to other people, you know, that the human condition is going to be there will be some kind of excess on one side or the other.
Nothing is going to be perfectly fair.
You know, the sensitive, thoughtful type of person will be offended by certain things.
But the thing is, we can be the head or the tail.
Your choice.
I'd like to be the head rather than the tail.
So, you know, in a all-white country, maybe like this country was at one time, maybe, you know, when there was one black in the entire school at some elementary school and the kids all picked on that one black, maybe somebody would feel sorry for that black and say, oh, we have to do something to stop, to protect that black.
Well, you know what?
Here's your choice.
You could have niggers beating and raping a white girl, or you can have that one nigger have a bad experience.
I don't care what happens to them.
That's my position.
You might say, well, that's unfair.
I know, but what's fair to my people?
That's what I care about.
Sure.
Yeah.
I had something else there, but it flew away from me while I was listening to you.
Alex, are you going to still be involved?
What I wanted to say was, it may be, and there's a significant component of my spine that says, coach, don't be a fool.
I listened to Cantwell's most recent episode where he's making the argument that, no, you don't go third party.
You use the institution that's there because it is already changing, albeit like extremely frustratingly slowly and grindingly, because that's where the core of our people are.
I don't know if that's right.
I'm willing to entertain it.
It made me think.
But just to be candid with the audience, my gut still tells me that this American system is too far gone and too sick to be reformed either through our own efforts, bottom up, top down, whatever, or through reforming the existing systems.
And it very well may be that we just have to grind and survive and tribe up and train and hold out until some system wrecking or destabilizing event happens, which is almost certainly going to happen in the form of financial crisis, secession crisis, foreign affairs crisis that really Chinese Asian crisis?
No, I was not thinking that, Rolo.
The Canadians, the Leafs, the Day of the Leaf.
You've heard of Day of the Rake.
Have you heard of Day of the Leaf Storm?
No.
But that's just some, I didn't plan to say that.
But that if you force me to guess, I still think we have to slog through as opposed to storm the ramparts, at least as of right now.
And in the meantime, let's build by addition and not subtraction and add to our ranks and add to our friends and not how to alienate people and lose friends to flip Dale Carnegie on his head.
Alex, want to give you a chance to chime in there if you had any thoughts.
I mean, you were there for the heyday of the alt-right, and then you were in a more or less information vacuum.
I assume you had cable news and correspondence, but 2017 versus sort of the scene that you're seeing now in 2023.
Any impressions or opinions?
Oh, man.
I know it's a tough one.
Yeah, yeah.
The world changes.
People change.
Life changes.
You know, your experiences change.
I feel, man, I don't hold grudges, at least not even more, because there's no need for that.
It's a waste of energy.
So I think we should all just keep to Rodney King style.
Yeah, no, no.
Rodney King's been in the news because of the Memphis happening.
Sorry, but yeah.
Oh, God.
I can't believe they compared DeAndre Harris to Rodney King.
Oh, they like they did that.
They did that.
I didn't even see that.
What they should have, like, they should, they should have aired what he did.
You know, I feel like only a few people on Twitter who were following the thing, you know, like James Field's car getting whacked, DeAndre with the flashlight on the head.
You know, how, how, how does that get dismissed?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's on world old meme.
Checks out.
You know, it's just, you know, people, the government is pretty much in favor to the blacks because they're simply chaotic at this point.
You know, they're burning down cities.
We want, you know, we want revenge pretty much, you know, is what they're doing.
And, you know, in prison, there were people complaining about stuff.
And I would say, hey, do you know that every black man in this country has a white man's last name and you should renounce your last name and go back to Africa if you really don't care about America?
And they would agree with me.
And it was really, it was actually, it was crazy for them to actually agree with me about it.
Not get mad.
You know, like, if go ahead, yeah, sure.
I was going to say, there was a brief back to Africa movement in the very late 80s that lasted probably a year.
Every black is like, yeah, let's go back to Africa, go to the homeland until they realize that they have to live around a bunch of blacks.
So it becomes a lot less appealing.
And he's just leading back to Africa movement.
It's crazy because they're afraid to go back to Africa to actually go back to their roots and control their roots because if you think about it, they're afraid of how chaotic it's going to be over there when they get there.
They're going to get care of them.
That's what they need to take care of them.
No, they need to be around white people.
See, here's the thing.
Where's the gifts at?
They're not trying to get revenge because all white people have ever done is kept them in the most luxurious lifestyle they could possibly imagine.
They just want to destroy because that's all blacks can do.
Blacks cannot create anything.
Everything that is known for being black was created by either whites or Jews.
And the Jews just took it from whites.
Like Motown, that was all Jews.
Soul food.
That's just Scottish.
This is getting Kanye on the show, Rolo.
Yeah.
Kanye probably agree with us at this point.
They can't create anything.
It's the Jews that be telling them niggas what to do.
It's true.
Look, we know, you guys know where barbecue came from, right?
Oh, gosh.
Now, here we go with the Holocaust again.
No, no, no.
It came from an Indian, a Latino Indian.
It's called Dainos.
If you look it up, the Dainos, they created barbecue.
They called it Bavacua, right?
And they created barbecue because they smoked everything.
You know, it's like this smoky flavor of meat and stuff like that.
You know what I mean?
So this was thousands of years ago, man.
Like, like, who created peanut butter?
know what i mean alex i gotta say i love i love peanut butter Like, it's one of my favorite caloric belly fillers.
And now I'm, I might have to throw out the whole stash.
Look, I, I like, I hate peanut butter.
I used to love peanut butter and jelly.
And they, they literally took it from me.
We got to take it.
No, not your peanut butter.
Yeah, the like.
Yeah, they take your peanut butter.
And jelly because what it was when when when I became a vegetarian in there, so I don't have to eat that dog food.
They gave me peanut butter almost every day.
And I got tired of peanut butter, man.
Like it's peanut butter almost every single day.
You know, sometimes I would literally not eat anything because I don't want to eat peanut butter.
You know, did you, did you lose weight in there, gain weight, neither?
Oh my God, man.
I probably weighed like 150 pounds or something, man.
And dude, right now, I'm like, as healthy, I'm healthier than I've ever been, man.
Like, I ate so much crap when I got out and I'm still eating that.
And it's all, I'm trying to build my body back up, you know.
And I'll start eating healthy again.
I mean, I'm slowly getting gradually eating healthy, you know, salads and proteins and stuff like that.
But for the most part, man.
Blame you for pigging out on pizza and burgers and fast food for a month or more.
Pizza, I just never quit pizza, man.
It's like that's one of my childhood favorites.
Well, it's got all the major food groups represented in it.
How could it be bad?
And there's no prison slang around pizza so far as, oh, no, no, the pedos had pizza, right?
You know, yeah, but it's not prison slang, okay?
So he's still good.
Yeah, see, like, he's still fine.
He's fine with that.
Oh, gosh.
Yeah, well, remember, yeah, later ruined pizza child.
Yeah, oh, I'm sorry.
I think Nambla was worse.
You're gonna take all of all of his favorite foods away.
Shout out to Joe Ross in the comment zone.
I put this in the uh chat, and he had two pictures from Charlottesville.
When you're not a reformed libertarian, he's returned to libertarianism, and he circled DeAndre Harris with the whatever it looks like.
He's either raining a blow or you can't see the flashlight at Harold Cruz, and that's when you break the nap, the non-aggression principle, and then you take a nap and a picture of DeAndre in the parking garage.
Incidentally, I do not see Alex Ramos anywhere in that picture.
So, when the worst of it was happening, he was nowhere to be seen.
Yeah, he got dinged for a little non-nocent.
Absolutely, we're going to expunge his record and grant him a full can't commute his sentence, he's already served his sentence.
Well, exactly.
We'll just make some random black serve his prison time.
Yeah, I can think of one.
Yeah, Ryan Favorite, uh, Peandre Naris, yes.
Uh, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, five years, yeah, yeah, that guy gets James Fields' prison sentence.
So, before we get too late, yeah, go ahead, Alex.
Yeah, I'm not going to shut you up, you say whatever the hell you want.
No, go ahead, yeah.
I was just uh, like, like James Fields, man, like he was a weird dude, but he was young, and I think he just had psychological issues, and he was okay.
So, the officers were called off that roadblock barricade that he went past was supposed to be covered by a police officer that was working in a jail that we were in in Charlottesville.
And she told me that that was her post, and she was told to leave.
If not, she would lose her job because she did not want to leave.
So, she left.
And if she would not have left that post, James Fields would not be in prison today because he would not have ran down that road and through that dog.
Damn, facts.
And she told me that she was told to leave that post.
And not only that, she was told to leave that post, she was also told to abandon the entire situation because the National Guard was supposed to take home.
So, which sounds conspiratorial, but we literally saw the proof from the Heathy report where the mayor and the police chief, and especially the police chief, was like, Oh, no, yeah, we're just going to stand back here and let them fight, and that'll give us the preference.
Let them fight the excuse to have the governor declare a state of emergency in advance.
We hadn't even arrived on the scene when they had declared the state of emergency.
Not that that proves anything.
Um, yeah, though, I don't, we, I don't why should something that's conspiratorial just be dismissed because it sounds conspiratorial because this is a perfect example.
Like the way I'm naturally skeptical, I know you are.
I know, but I'm just saying when you're speaking for you, but everyone, well, yeah.
But I there, people are naturally averse to conspiracies because I think there are more people telling people to be skeptical of conspiracies than proof that you should be skeptical of conspiracies.
Because more often than not, these things like, oh, this sounds like a conspiracy.
It's like, oh, and guess what it is?
Make sure there's a few things that sound crazy and like, like, they are.
You know, there's the government cooks.
Who knows what actually the government cooks up?
Who knows what actually happened actually and then tells the other people who are like trying to analyze events that no conspiracies are stupid, you know, like the Michigan right, but like, like, who knows what happened in the basement of Comet Pizza, but something happened there.
There was, there is absolutely something going on there.
But just because some guy goes in and unloads on some people, well, you know, you look the other way, but Charlottesville is the perfect example.
Like there was a genuine conspiracy from government officials to make sure that the events unfolded the way they actually did with the intention of ruining lives of dissidents that had a problem with the people that were in charge.
So it was literally, people are onto us.
We better ruin their lives.
Like that is what happened.
Yeah.
We're going to get them all in that one little pit and we're going to subject them to violence and then we're going to hope that one of them commits a mass shooting.
That's the, you know, it's amazing that there was one warning shot fired that entire day and not a bloodbath, right?
Testament to us.
And I guess Antifa was content with the piss bottles and mace and rocks and physical clubs and all the rest of it.
Yeah, no, they, yep, it, it, it was a setup.
They saw us coming.
We know that now.
I poo-pooed it a little bit at the time.
Like, who, who could have known?
And everybody's like, I knew, I knew, I knew.
And I suspected at the time, but I was like, well, I'm still going because my friends are going to be there.
Speaking of conspiracies, it's very rare that we record a show after, like during not just one happening, but two happenings.
So we got to touch on it here.
We could go for way longer than an hour here in the second half.
We'll see how we fare.
But Paul Pelosi footage released today from San Francisco.
And I'll just, I'll try to characterize it accurately because the cop is just going up to the door.
He, I forget if he knocks on the door or he opens the door.
And there's just no, I've never, I can't possibly say like they're like smiling and then the cop opens the door and you'd think Paul Pelosi, if he was under imminent threat, holding a hammer in one hand and a beer in the other in his underwear would be like, help me or whatever.
But it's like they were playing koi or having a game with the hammer.
And then who and who waits until the cops show up to throw a hammer blow at the dude?
And how did he get in and all this?
Yeah, Rolo, this is, this is tailor-made for you.
He didn't wait until the cop showed up.
He waited until the cop addressed the hammer.
Like they showed up.
They saw them.
And then it's like, all hunky-dory.
And then the cops like, hey, what you got?
Yeah, yeah, put the hammer down.
And then he just starts swinging it at Pelosi because it's not like he opens the door and then the guy like freaks out and is like, why'd you open the door?
And then like, they're like, what are you doing here?
Both of them.
Yeah.
Like it's like that scene.
There's a scene from Family Guy where they go to a hotel and the news reporter's there with a hooker and he just happened to be there.
And then like, he opens the door and she's there.
And then he just punches her.
And then he just pretends, he pretends to be someone else and he grabs the microphone.
Like, that's how it feels like.
It's like, like, oh, oh, okay.
We're, we're done with our real persona.
We got to put the fake persona on.
Right.
Oh, yes, we're playing hostage.
Yes, yes, hostage.
You know, first things first, and this is perhaps basic bitch, but I'm delivering it deliberately to get to some possible theory here.
Who like was Paul Pelosi would have to be wasted to let an absolute stranger into that house, knowing that that house is normally under total surveillance, black SUVs.
It's got a security system.
The neighbors are like, no, this is a quiet neighborhood.
Like it's the quietest neighborhood in San Francisco.
The theories being, of course, it was a booty call or a drug delivery.
I'm going to go with booty call over drug delivery because the drug delivery, why would he bring a hammer?
It would most, I would say more likely, if it was like a drug delivery, he would have a gun on him and he would know not to attack Paul Pelosi when cops show up.
So I think it was most likely a booty call, but drugs were involved.
Which would explain Paul's like really goofy, inexplicable reaction when the cops show up at the door while he's struggling over a hammer with a guy.
Like it just, it made no sense.
It could have been they were expecting another playmate, male or female, it doesn't matter, but they could have been expecting someone else.
And then they just opened the door thinking, okay, you know, the rest of the party's showing up.
And then they see it's the cops and they realize that the guy's like, hey, what do you got there?
And then he just realizes, oh, maybe Paul dimed me out or something like along that lines.
That's why he freaked out.
The subject or the accused looked pretty guilty on tape of hammering.
Rent boy.
I mean, he literally had writings where he was like, no, and he was a leftist.
Of course, he wasn't some like white nationalist.
He did.
He said that he wanted to target.
He wanted to target Pelosi.
He was, he was like a weird lefty who all of a sudden like shifted into hating leftists and Pelosi.
I don't want to give bad.
And then and then Paul Pelosi led him into his house.
That's what, right.
So like this guy wants to get into the Pelosi house to kill Nancy Pelosi in theory.
And he's been in the house with Paul for a long time before Paul sneaks off to the bathroom.
Maybe is like, maybe this guy is not here to give me the drugs or the booty, the peanut butter.
And, you know.
Do you know what I'm doing right now?
You know what I'm doing?
I don't want to know.
I'm pressing this X key right here.
X to doubt.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that was almost certainly an afterthought because when stuff like this happens with like politicians, everybody knows about it.
Like they, they know that you got to mobilize the media to cover this stuff up.
It would have the fact that we see this, them opening it so cordially and he was a leftist.
And then there's like the footage of him as the cameraman, allegedly.
We don't know if it's him, but it looks like him in like the documentary that Nancy Pelosi was making about January 6th.
Right.
But still, like this guy is like a died-in-the-wool leftist.
And then he attacks Paul Pelosi with a hammer under circumstances that are very questionable, even before the footage comes out.
And then, oh, and he wants to attack and kill Pelosi, but he happened to be there on the day where they turned off all the security cameras in the neighborhood of one of the most prominent politicians in the entire world that's worth approximately $90 million.
Yeah.
How'd he get in there?
No, they referenced security camera footage of the perp breaking into the house, but we haven't seen it.
And it was the defendant, the suspect whose lawyer fought to have that body cam footage suppressed.
If we take things at face value and assume they're telling the truth, if I put on my normie hat, I guess I could say that that guy snuck into the house somehow.
Maybe Paul.
Coach, you put on your normie hat, and this is the craziest conspiracy ever.
You keep your coach hat on, and then now you try to rationalize this in the dumbest, most possible way.
No, there's no way normal.
There's no way that there's no normal explanation for this.
The guy actually wanted to kill Nancy Pelosi.
He got in the house somehow.
Paul Pelosi.
That's the drug.
That's the lefty hat.
That's the lefty hat.
The normies are like.
That's the lefty hat.
Yes, it is.
Every normie is like these two were having sex.
It's like so clear.
One, it's San Francisco.
And why did the perp have his perp was in like his new balances and his jeans and like smiling in his little hoodie?
Like, why wasn't he scandally clad too?
And, you know, Paul looked like maybe he just picked up off a bender.
Oh, you think he was getting ready to leave and just waiting for Nancy to come home.
I don't know, man.
No, no, they probably were genuinely expecting more people to come and party with them.
And when it was the cops, that like took them by surprise.
Because the thing is, then why did he smash him in the head with a hammer?
Because he went there because he wanted to kill Nancy Pelosi.
Then why did he then?
Then why did they even open the door?
Why did they do it together?
No matter what, you don't open the door, even if they think it's the neighbor and he's there to kill Nancy Pelosi.
If he's he's has a hammer to Paul Pelosi, that is a lethal weapon.
So why are they opening the door?
They're like whoever's on the other side of that door.
If that is Nancy Pelosi and the guy's waiting to kill her, Paul Pelosi is not opening the door with him unless he is hiding behind the door.
They both opened it together.
I'm getting word of this, but I, but I'm also you want it to be like what the government said it was.
You want it to be the official story because that's easier.
Well, I don't, I don't, I want to hate it when you're right.
I want to be right, Rolo.
I don't care whether it's yeah, but you're fighting.
You're you're fighting the the the like the least obvious thing.
No, this is what's happening.
I want to see who opens the door.
I'm looking right now.
Paul does.
And then the hammer time is right next to him.
Okay.
He's standing right next to him.
Who has the grip of the hammer?
Paul is holding on to the hammer that the other guy is holding.
So Paul is oh, oh, the grip is in the uh the offense.
The rent boy has it.
The rent boy has it.
It looks like an MC Hammer.
I oh, he's black, so I blame blacks for most violence.
It's so weird.
Yes, it is weird.
It's a weird thing.
It's weird.
And it's it's the kind of weird where the official story they gave it clashes with what we see because what we see doesn't directly disprove it because what we see is just very it's a strange occurrence where one of them is smiling, the other's holding a weapon standing next to him.
So, you like if anyone had a gun on me, I wouldn't be like, No, I would be terrified.
I would be shaking.
This Paul Pelosi is in he is in no danger at the moment.
And the and the guy says the cop says something to him, which causes him to MK Ultra trigger word activate winter soldier.
Incredible, yeah, all right.
Uh, yeah, well, I would say we'll find out eventually, but no, we probably never will.
No, he won't.
Are you kidding me?
We will find out a fake story eventually, and enough people, yep, enough people will be happy with that and they'll go with it, however stupid it is.
However, I want to point out: if you were married to Nancy Pelosi and she were away from the house, you'd probably be home drinking heavily and having a good old time and maybe would open the door in a stupor and wind up in this like silly situation that ends with a hammer to your head.
I'm absolutely convinced that Paul Pelosi and Nancy Pelosi do not have a romantic or sexual relationship and never have that relationship absolutely for political power.
And he's almost certainly a homosexual.
He is.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
San Francisco and this incident.
That's all I need to know.
Like, this is a homosexual.
He likes taking people's peanut butter, huh?
He's very generous.
Hey, I think we have one of Alex's old cellmates who just popped into the, not cellmates, but he was in the pod with Alex.
Are you in the telegram now, sir?
Can you hear me?
Do you remember Alex?
Wait, what?
We have one of your old prison mates in the telegram with us.
I just don't know if he's getting through here.
Darrell?
I don't know what his name is.
There he is, sir.
Do you remember Alex in the clink?
Yeah, yeah, baby.
You probably don't remember me so well because, you know, I was just watching you and shit.
But, you know, I see, you know, you look real cute.
You know, I see that.
I see the way that snuffing that.
You know, I walked out all day.
Darrell, are you a gif or a skippy man?
Creamy or crunchy?
Oh, you know, you know, you know what?
A nigga got to do what a nigga got to do.
And sometimes you don't get to choose between smooth or chunky.
You sound like someone that was actually in the pod with us.
I wasn't in the pond with you.
Well, yeah, you know, they said me there to keep an extra eye on you.
And I'm going to keep an extra eye on your extra hour.
This is all a big setup, Alex.
A little red eye, a little pink eye.
A little brown eye.
Oh, yes.
It's the only blemish on this episode: the smirching.
If milk is elixir, then I don't know, peanut butter is.
You know it's a glorious thing.
Don't let don't, let us spoil it for you, fam.
Uh, thank you, Darrell.
Darrell, come back, come back anytime we set up, Darrell.
Yeah, Colin and uh, are you still in?
Yo, I don't know my fault of status, I bet I got a bunch of unreal medal one o'clock here on the East Coast uh, 4 p.m.
Rollo's time in Tahiti.
Uh, real quick, Memphis and the cop, uh footage, four black cops event somehow killed the Fedex driver who was supposedly driving erratically.
Okay again, i'll play credulous Normie and take facts at face value and leave the wild, inaccurate speculation to Rollo.
Uh, but from what I saw it, I don't know why they pulled him over.
Uh, they said it was erratic driving, certainly.
Uh, legitimate validation of why they did so.
Uh, and then, what do you know?
He's just a routine traffic stop and they try to uh arrest him, put his arms behind his head, his his back.
He refuses and they threaten to tase him.
I think they tase him and then, like he takes off his shirt to neutralize, the taser, runs away and then eventually these four black cops catch up with him.
And I did not see any uh, Rodney King style nightstick, endless beating of him on the ground.
It looked like, at one point, the worst footage that I saw.
It looked like they had his hands in cuffs and were sort of trading blows, punching him in the face, possibly to get him to chill the f out and get in the cop car.
Or it could be that they were just trying to uh, you know, exact some street justice, hood to hood.
Uh, the guy did end up dying after the fact, but so did George Floyd, and we know that there were extenuating circumstances there.
Uh, but regardless, I thought it was going to be way worse than Rodney King and what I saw.
It was not as bad or gratuitous as Rodney King.
Sam Rollo Alex, I don't know if you saw the footage, but it it looked weird to me, or not as bad as I thought it would be.
I definitely did not see it.
Uh, I did not see it, but it sounds like black on black.
Yeah yeah, I did not see it.
I did not watch it yet.
Does nobody spend all day on telegram?
Come on well, so here's here.
Okay, it broke like two hours before the show, so I don't blame you guys.
Yeah yeah so, so here's the thing with the.
They say um, the the Rodney King thing is to constantly be making blacks into victims, because the reality is blacks are constant perpetrators, no matter what.
Like the things that they they'll, they'll bring up like oh, 400 years of oppression.
But you know, in the 400 quote, unquote years of oppression to blacks, in 50 years, how much have they oppressed everyone else?
But what probably happened was, you know, you had some black cops that were one cops are already heightened in their aggression.
And then you got some blacks that are even more aggressive and they just wanted to pull some guy over because they, you know, they had a little bit of an excuse, like maybe he's driving a little erratically.
And then uh, you know, and the black probably got mouthy and they just had to keep him in line, because it doesn't take much to make a black go into a violent frenzy.
And uh yeah, he was resisting, he was resisting my second part.
And my second part was yeah, he was, he deserved it.
Yeah well, I mean, have you seen this video of this uh, black school teacher just beating the ever-living out of one of the students?
I mean, that's just how they are probably.
Yeah I I, you know what I?
I will uh, toot my own horn here.
I I remember how much everybody liked my impression of a black woman whose child walked in front of the tv, and but that's, that's really all it takes.
Like, you do this, the the smallest slight, against a black, and then their reaction is just like like, like how we would react to someone pulling a knife on us in a corner, slapping your mother or something like that.
Yeah like like, give us everything you got.
Like that's their reaction to if Mcdonald's is out of fries, you know.
Yeah like literally, it's like everyone in that store dies.
Yeah yes absolutely, haymakers and drop kicks to every two-year-old around.
Yeah, yeah.
And then you got this black that that feels entitled.
Like, how dare any piece of authority pull me over, don't they know that i'm black?
And 400 years of oppression.
And then you got these black cops that like, oh hell no boy, you don't be mouthing off to me.
So it's just, you got these two.
It's just it's, it is black on black Mileston it's.
It's what happens when, when an um immovable object meets an immovable object, like that unstoppable force.
Yeah no no no, two immovable objects.
It's just like.
This is what happens when black meets black, they just just you know one of them's going to die.
That's just what happens.
Two black people meet, one dies.
No, whatever.
What is the?
What's the context?
Yeah, it happens every every day, 100 times a day.
Yeah, I don't, I don't know about the haymakers, but the at least the initial footage.
Before he took off on foot, I was like I don't blame those guys one bit.
This guy, they're just trying to like get control of this guy and he's like fighting and struggling and lying and crying for his mama, and then he takes off running.
And then what do you know?
Just like one Bantu tribe against a runaway slave, they hunted him down and took him down and exacted some justice.
I still, yeah, God knows what the freaking autopsy would show.
But Memphis, if there's one thing, yes, forget the JQ.
Don't forget the JQ.
Stay away from the MQ.
The MQ is important if you live in Tennessee.
Yeah.
Seriously.
No doubt.
Which is a real shame because Stonewall Jackson, that was Memphis, was his operations headquarters for a long time.
That was where he was buying and selling slaves and trying to make a man of himself before he joined the Confederate Army as a lowly regular before rising to cavalry, something general.
Anyway.
Well, before you move on to that, because you kind of glossed over it, but a lot of people really don't quite understand that Memphis Blacks are some of the most savage and ferocious blacks.
Like you'll think like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, East St. Louis, like Memphis is up there.
Like that, that is, that is like really Africa tier savagery for blacks.
Memphrica.
Yep.
Never heard of it.
One of my good buddies grew up in a suburb that developed his lifelong burning righteous hatred for blacks.
And that was even one that was like a homemaker or like a sort of a nanny and would get lost and stuff like that.
So one of the good Memphis blacks taught him how bad they were.
And that wasn't even a violent criminal.
Go ahead, Alex.
And then we'll bring this puppy home.
You really can't blame the officers, man.
Like a lot of police officers don't have very much of a high IQ.
So, you know, they go into this job after sometimes usually high school, don't get any law education or anything like that.
And if they were raised in the hood, you know, or the ghetto or whatnot, you know, this guy running away and mouthing off at these cops, these dudes would probably be like, hey, nigga, what you talking about?
And just punched them in the mouth, you know, like, don't talk to me like that, who, you know, just stuff like that, man.
Like, these things happen, man.
Like dudes mouth off at each other and they just go at it.
And police officers are just like regular people.
These dudes are civilians, man.
They grew up civilians and they're still civilians.
And they're going to act like civilians.
So, you know, I mean, see the world.
Hey, it's just amazing the signal jamming of four black cops killing a black guy during a traffic stop where he resisted.
And yet still somehow it comes back to institutional racism.
I mean, I'm just, it's just ridiculous.
Let's say the cops kicked in the door here and they said, all right, hey, we got a description of you.
Somebody like you robbing the store over there.
You got to come with us.
What do I do?
Start fighting them or go with them.
I mean, you have what you do.
What do you do?
What do you do?
What does Sam do?
Or what does a black do?
I mean, you would, yeah, right.
Any, any normal person would say, okay, well, this is a mistake.
I'll get my attorney.
We'll straighten all this out.
Obviously, I was right here.
My family could tell you I was right here for the last two hours at least.
So, you know, now, but that's not how niggers think.
Yeah.
Or what does a hyena do?
Right.
No, I understand.
Like, what does this giraffe do?
It just shows why they don't belong in this society.
That's it, period.
Yeah, there's nothing civil about blacks.
Like, whenever I talk to normies, they always do this.
Like, if that was me, I would just go along with the cops and keep my head down.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, you know what?
Blacks never do that.
Why is that?
Isn't that weird that like everyone else seems to have other people?
At least sometimes a Mexican will put their hands up and say, Yeah, okay.
Yeah, well, you know, you got to sort it out later.
That's it.
The cop's job is to is to take you in chains.
That's it.
If there's any deal or any straightening out, it's to be done with the district attorney, not the cops.
Oh, you ain't putting me back in chase, nigga.
We're going to have to play KRS-One, Black Cop, to close us out here.
Let's see.
I got a good one to send us out on a high note.
Sam, let's save your church story for next week when hopefully Primadonna will be back.
I was debating whether we wanted to even broach the topic of the unspeakable horrors of the gay dads pimping out their adopted sons.
Don't know.
We're not going to cross that bridge.
Death penalty tonight.
Prison goes.
Too, yeah, too, too kind there, Sam.
You're going soft in your old age.
Yeah, it has to be cruel and unusual punishment for something like that.
I couldn't finish the article.
It was too sickening.
I did put it up on the Telegram.
But one last hanging Chad asking for my wife, Alex, ghosts.
She said, ask Alex about the ghosts.
And I don't know if this was prison related or in your personal life.
And we did a very popular sort of spooky tales, things that we had experienced in our lives that didn't make sense by the rules of physics and law and nature, etc.
But were there, did you experience the supernatural in the clink or elsewhere?
Yeah, there were some supernatural things in prison that actually did happen.
You know, our cell doors are closed.
So there's a window and it's open.
It's an open window.
And there's no actual window here.
It's just open, you know.
And at night, they cut the lights off.
In your cell, there was like an opening to the outside, but it was too small for you to sneak out.
Is that right?
It was about it was about a six-inch window or four-inch window.
A little ventilator.
And yeah, and it was about, you know, two feet, two feet tall, you know, about five, six inches, maybe with that.
But yeah, you can't fit your head through it or anything like that.
But at night, they cut the lights off at a certain time and only one light stays on in the pod.
But through the corner of your eye, you know, like your peripheral, you can see someone walking by yourself through the window.
I would easily get up and see who it is.
But it was never anyone, you know.
And there was this one time I was working.
I worked in the kitchen in a chow hall.
And uh, I was feeling sick, and I was vomiting and stuff.
I think I had gotten like some type of food poisoning or something from some fruits, but uh, I looked up at one point, and there are these food carts.
It was during COVID, we had to feed people in the pods and stuff.
So, there were these food carts, right?
And they're about my height, about six, six feet, you know, six, six, five, you know.
And uh, I was emptying those carts out, taking the trays, emptying them out in the trash and whatnot.
And uh, you know, we sent them in the back to wash them.
I had to sit down just briefly because I was nauseated.
But when I got up, I sneezed and my eyes were watery.
I looked up, and there was this black dude staring at me with bloodshot red eyes and angrily.
And like, I closed my eyes and rubbed my eyes.
I look up, I'm like, Good God, you know, where'd this dude go?
You know, where is he?
And I walk around the chat hall looking for this dude, and there was no one there, you know, there was no one there.
No one, no one could have came in through the doors because those doors were locked shut, they were secured, right?
You know, and uh, I walked around and I asked everyone, It's like, Hey, was there somebody else in here?
And they were like, You guys see, you guys see a red-eyed Debo walking around?
Yeah, oh my god, it was like ridiculous because he looked like really angry.
And uh, I opened up the tray cart, and all of these trays just come flying out at me, like, what the you know, like they just fly out at me, and I'm like, No, no, I'm done.
I go back, I go back to the office, and I'm like, Look, man, I'm feeling like hell, I gotta go.
And they're like, What are you talking about?
I'm like, I'm sick, I can't work no more.
I can't do it anymore, man.
And I just went back up and I forgot about that the whole day.
I didn't even want to think about it, man.
It was just so weird.
And you're certain that it wasn't an off or a consequence of your food poisoning.
You think you your brain actually registered seeing that big creepy part?
It was supernatural.
It was definitely your look.
People committed, so many people committed suicide in that poisoning.
If there's going to be a lot of places, it's going to be a prison overdoses.
There was a uh in 10 building.
You remember I mentioned 10 building, the whole, and whatever.
And uh, back in the lower level of 10 building was uh in the restrictive housing was where they did the uh uh they did the executions, you know, uh, for the death penalty and stuff like that, and which they pulled down uh years before I got, I guess, a year or two before I got there.
And uh, apparently, there was this one black guy who said, When I die, I'm gonna stay in this prison and I'm gonna haunt everyone in here no matter what.
And I'm thinking it was probably that dude, man.
He was like, You man, you know, Alex, you just go wonderfully on the F-bombs, and at the end, you're cutting loose, and I'm not giving you any guff.
Rollo, no, seriously, gotta give Rolo something to do.
Yeah, I know, right?
Got to earn his keeper around here for you guys.
Yeah, Darrell did more.
My bad no it's.
It's okay buddy seriously, you were great the whole time.
Um yeah, and Sam that, that does not uh rub you the wrong way.
Ghost stories don't contradict your uh faith in Christianity, right?
I mean, are they?
No, not at all.
I mean yeah yeah no, these could be devils, these could be demons, these could be people in purgatory.
You know, there's all kind of explanations.
Yep, I used to call all that stuff bunk.
Now i'm just a normie when it comes to interpreting uh, weirdos attacking Paul Pelosi with a hammer apparently hey, we call Charlottesville the Charlottesville Jail.
It was called Terragory Lane or something like that, but we called it Purgatory Lane.
Yeah, so you know, and James Fields had this gesture he would make, he'd be like you know, like just, you know what do you need, poor bastard?
But yeah man, he's too young for it.
You know, Alex Ramos uh, 100 gratitude for you coming on.
Uh, love your brother.
No homo, uh want to want, to want to have you up to West Virginia when I don't know when you can cross state lines or whatever.
But uh, have a little bit of burning.
I don't even like bourbon, but i'll drink bourbon with you any day of the week.
Hell yeah man, bourbon's always good.
Yes sir, Godspeed.
Uh, thank you for sending the little gift.
Send go uh, in the private chat I will share that.
We'll talk about it after the show as to how you want that disseminated uh, but thank you for going to Charlottesville.
I, I think everybody who went to Charlottesville, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time when it came down to it.
Um and uh, i'm just a big respecter and uh, just really proud of you, really proud of you for coming on here and just, you know, life goes on right.
Yeah yeah, it definitely does man, it definitely does.
Thank you man, can't be better.
Yeah honestly, stay in touch.
Uh yeah, you're welcome back anytime and with that uh Sam, thank you, my friend.
I know, you know we waited too long to do this one, but feels good to get back in the saddle and uh yeah, really a long one too.
That's what she said.
Great, great discussion.
You know, before you like finish this this yeah, please.
Of course, you're the very first person that i've spoken to about anything this is.
I didn't know if this was an exclusive.
I didn't want.
I didn't, I didn't care, I just yeah, very first I didn't speak to anyone else.
Thank you Alex, we're honored, it's all right it's, it's.
It's great radio too.
You know a little little bit everything, the human aspect the, the prison aspect, the motivations, the politics and all the rest of it, and more.
The most, the most, the most of the hatred.
I was.
I was worried that Alex was going to be like a little bitter or like yeah man, it really sucked and this sucks like an internet warrior yeah, something like that.
Or reticent, quite the contrary.
Yep yeah yeah man, you know we get out, men do things, you know Well, if you ever get good at editing audio files, we always have an opening on this show.
Rollo, Rolo, Rolo, Rolo.
Thank you so much, buddy.
JK, JK.
Thumbs up from Rolo.
All right, fam.
Full house episode 150 was recorded on It's Snowy Here in West Virginia.
We got our first real snow a few days ago, and then it lingers for a long time.
It is truly the worst time of the year, in my opinion.
January, February, no sunlight, soggy, snowy, slush, dirt, etc.
And I was Sam asked, how are you doing, big guy, coach?
You know, you doing okay?
What's going on with the show?
I was like, Sam, you know, this time of the year sucks.
And I'm old enough now to just recognize what it is and not make a big deal out of it.
Hibernate a little bit, eat a little bit more.
And more importantly, spend time with the family.
It's a good time to go roller skating, bowling, skiing, even playing soccer in a marshy field that messes up your knee.
It was January 27th when we started.
It's now January 28th.
And to all of our listeners currently wondering, thinking, asking what good deeds they might do for the cause, whatever the cause may be in their minds with different factions and different opinions, one of the easiest, cheapest, safest, and most impactful ways to do something good is to write to our guys behind the wire.
I don't know if Global Minority is down or just on Telegram, but we'll post it in the show notes, wherever it might be, because Alex Ramos is testament to the fact that it makes a difference, helps them when they're there, and maybe gives them a better attitude when they get out.
And there's some great radio here in West Virginia, classic rock stations that plays good stuff from Dockin and groups like Rainbow.
And we've played Rainbow once before on this show.
I don't know if Rolo or Sam is going to chimp out.
Yeah, Rainbow is good.
Rainbow is good.
Street of Dreams by Rainbow is what we're going to do.
Oh, yeah.
In honor of Alex Ramos.
Now, what era of Rainbow is we got Jo Lynn Turner, Grand Bonnet, or is this good old Ronnie James Dio?
I don't know.
Street of Dreams is a good song by Rainbow that I heard, and I just thought it would be nice to play.
This isn't some closet core stuff, is it?
No, no, no, no.
It's a kick-ass song.
And whatever Rolo was just trying to bust me with his rainbow knowledge.
It's a good effing rock song.
Enjoy.
We love you, fam.
And we'll talk to you next week, hopefully, ideally, with one of our originals from the olden days of Full House.
Bless Alex Ramos, all of you and all of your families.
And Alex, say see ya.
Thanks.
Thanks for having me.
See ya.
Spellbound, there was someone calling.
I looked around, no one was in sight.
Falled down, and I kept on falling.
I've seen this place before, you were standing by my side.
I've seen your flakes before tonight.
Maybe I can see what I wanted to be.
I know it's a mystery.
Do you remember me?
All those dreams of dreams running through my memory.
All those freedom dreams.
Understood a distant memory.
So good, like we never parted.
Said to myself, I know you'll set me free.
And here we are, right back where we started.
Some things come over me, and I don't know what to feel.
Maybe this failed to see it.
Now I'm gonna see what I wanted to be.
But it's still mystery.
Do you remember me?
All those great dreams running through my memory.
All those dream dreams.
You're in every face I see.
All those dreams.
Some things come over me, and I don't know what to feel.