The one-and-only Christopher Cantwell sits down with us for over two hours to address everything under the sun, including his prison experience, reclaimed "liberty," the Charlottesville trial, and his new approach going forward. In the second half we air a ton of great news from the audience, and tackle the toughest question we've ever received. Support Chris here, subscribe to his Telegram channel, and find all his work at ChristopherCantwell.net Bumper: "Back in the Saddle" by Aerosmith Break: "War Drums" by No Face Nate Close: "Running up that Hill" by Meg Myers Go forth and multiply! Support Full Haus here or at givesendgo.com/FullHaus Censorship-free Telegram commentary: https://t.me/prowhitefam2 Twitter: twitter.com/FullHausman Telegram channel with ALL shows available for easy download: https://t.me/fullhausshows Gab.com/Fullhaus Odysee for special occasion livestreams and back library in the process of being uploaded. Full Haus syndicated on Amerikaner RSS: https://fullhaus.libsyn.com/rss All shows since Zencast (S) deplatforming: https://fullhaus.libsyn.com/ And of course, feel free to drop us a line with anything on your mind at fullhausshow@protonmail.com. We love ya fam, and we'll talk to you next week!
From middle-class origins on the semi-mean streets of suburban New York to an educational journey through libertarianism as a young man, our special return guest this week exploded out of lowly obscurity to become a beloved firebrand commentator and activist, only to be cut down not once but twice for flying too close to the sun.
The first politically motivated oppression was orchestrated by Antifa and judicial activism in the aftermath of Charlottesville.
And the second was spurred by the Cretans sometimes lurking at our margins.
And yet he served his time behind the wire, continued to contribute to the best of his ability, even while incarcerated, and then came out swinging with newly rediscovered quote-unquote liberty and with even more energy than before.
So, Mr. Producer, it's showtime.
Welcome, everyone, to episode 149 of Full House, the world's biggest hearted show for white fathers.
That's not because we have myocarditis from getting the vaccine aspiring ones and the whole biofam.
I am, as always, your resolute host, Coach Finstock, back with another two hours of the finest educational and entertaining commentary you can find this side of the internet and aside from the radical agenda, of course.
Before we meet the birth panel and our very special guest, however, big thanks to Joe Boston, Gordon Call, and fellow person for their kind support of our show over the past couple of weeks.
Joe and Gordon sent kind in sent kind notes that you can read at givessendgo.com slash fullhouse.
And of course, also consider joining the ranks of our supporters while you're there.
And with that, let us get on to the birth panel and our very special guest.
First up, he never did time in a federal penitentiary, but before the show, he claimed that he could do longer time in harder prisons and make more friends than our special guest this week.
Sam, for shame.
Well, thanks, coach.
And very excellent guests this week.
My goodness, you must have some clout to make a good connection like this is all I can say.
But hey, happy Epiphany to all observant people out there in the Christian faith.
Today is the feast day of the Epiphany, and it is also associated with the three kings.
You know, we think of we see the little manger scene and we see the three kings and the baby Jesus and everything all at one time on Christmas.
But in reality, it was sometimes later that the three kings showed up to offer their homage and gifts.
But today at work, we had this the Rosca de Race.
Do you know what this is?
This is the Wreath of Kings or the King's Wreath, even.
And this is, so then they'll have the little baby Jesus figure hidden in the cake, more like bread.
And so everybody gets a slice.
And if you get the little baby in the cake, then you have to prepare a meal for the group on February 2nd, which is, of course, Candle Mass.
And that's the official end of Christmas time.
So it was an Epiphany Day is actually in Catholic countries is usually a holy day of obligation.
So, and in former times, before the 25th of December was fixed as the feast day of Christ, the birthday of Christ was actually celebrated on the Epiphany.
So maybe you knew that already, but maybe somebody didn't who was listening.
And so I was explaining things like, you know, 40 days after the birth, the mother is considered unclean until the purification, which is 40 days later, and hence the day, you know, and then because that's in the law, if you have a son, then the woman is unclean for 40 days and she's to keep to herself and heal up and especially to abstain from sex.
And then if she has a daughter, that's 80 days.
She has to be abstinent and considered ceremonially unclean.
And it's just interesting.
Well, if you can remember when your wife was having the baby, the doctors usually say seven to eight weeks of no activity and things like that to heal up.
So it's just it's just one of those things like it's it's in the law there.
And the Bible says that the law is given or those stories in the Old Testament are given for our edification and for our learning.
So, you know, it's just those little things come up in conversation.
A little Catholic, Catholic reproductive education for the audience here.
Well, and also, yeah, and also I was just going to throw in, you know, if your wife or I've, I know my wife has said before, like having the, having a girl carrying a girl baby was like harder on the body for some reason.
So anyways, I just threw those little things in there.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you, my friend.
And I want to tease for the audience too, that we did get to spend some quality time together up in Saskatoon.
And I got to meet that.
And I had met most of your family prior, but we'll talk about that in the second half.
Moving on.
Thank you, big guy.
Yep, absolutely.
Next up, he was still in Pampers when our guest was intensely studying the collected works of Murray Rothbard and Lou Rockwell, but we certainly don't hold that against him.
Rolo, my friend.
How the hell are you?
Now, why do you always got to tell people that I was just a slow learner and I was in diapers until I was 15?
Okay.
I know.
I wrote that and I realized you're not that much younger than Cantwell.
Not that much younger than you.
It's true.
You just come across that way.
No, I'm kidding.
Yeah.
I listened to a little bit of the final storm and you guys doing TMNT.
I had to shake my head a little bit at you rascals.
But anyway, all good on your front.
What are you shaking your head at?
We wanted to do something nice for Christmas instead of depressing everybody.
All right.
Well, maybe.
It's a nice thing to do for everybody.
All right.
Maybe we'll do some joint movie reading.
Yeah, I'll invite you to a commentary track.
I'd like to talk about something.
We could talk about Top Gun.
Yeah, we could.
That was a great movie.
All right.
Finally, our very patient and very special guest.
You probably know him as the host of Radical Agenda, the most charismatic defendant in Roberta Kaplan's Charlottesville show trial and the most newly eligible content creating bachelor on the block.
And in all sincerity, if I had a nickel for every time I heard one of our guys say, I have a soft spot for Cantwell, I would be at least a moderately wealthy man.
You can find his works at christophercantwell.net, and you can help him out at givesendgo.com slash Cantwell.
Chris, sorry for the long windup there.
Had to do it.
Welcome back, my friend.
Thoroughly entertained by it.
It's good to be with you, gentlemen.
It's great to have you back.
This is actually the third time, but you're not calling from the clink.
We don't have 15 minute segments.
I'm not sweating as to whether it's actually recording on my record a call function and everything.
So it's absolutely a delay.
And I don't think I did our usual bit, Chris, because I wanted to get right to it, those previous two calls.
If you would, sir, what's your ethnicity, religion, and fatherhood status, please?
I am Italian and Irish, and I have no children.
All right.
And what were you raised religiously?
And what do you consider yourself now?
My mom could have been raised me and my brother as Catholics and it didn't take.
There you go.
Yep.
It did not take for me either.
Irish, Italian, a fine blend of fighting ethnicity spirit there.
First real question, Chris, in all sincerity, how does it feel to be out?
I imagine, of course, it's great, but this is not exactly a wonderful society to live in.
And you lost maybe some friends behind the wire, the routine, I'm sure the cooking was top-notch, but how you feeling?
You know, now that the whole country's a prison, it's really, it's a lot easier to transition to the outside.
So I'm getting on all right.
I got to tell you, it takes a little adjusting with all the devices and the communications available after being in the CMU for all that time, the communications management unit.
I could only get two phone calls a week and all my information came from talk radio, Fox News, and a Wall Street Journal.
And now I've got Telegram and Signal and, you know, all this stuff is going on.
And I'm like, it takes some readjusting to get used to it all again.
Indeed.
And are you free, free, or are you on probation for a spell?
Do they still come and check on you?
What's that status?
Supervised release.
So I've got a federal probation officer.
He's not a terrible guy.
He doesn't have a problem with me making a living as a content producer.
He stops by once in a while, makes me blow and breathalise and make sure I'm not drinking.
And, you know, presumably I'm going to have to take some drug tests at some point, but I'm not a drug addict and he doesn't think I am.
So that's not going on very often.
You know, how long are you going to have to put up with that?
If I have no trouble at all, one year, I can move to have it eliminated, but I think that might be unlikely.
So I got a two-year supervised release term that I can get terminated after one year if there's no problems.
All right.
Good luck and Godspeed, my friend.
I'm sure you can do it.
And I did mention there at the top, half joking, half serious, that you are the most newly eligible full house bachelor.
It's your third time on the show.
I know you're out of the gate storming with content creation and getting back in the game.
And when we last talked to you, you said absolutely you were interested in eventually settling down with a fine lady and starting a family.
Is that still roughly accurate, my friend?
Yeah, that's accurate.
I do love women.
And if I could find one to keep and stop dealing with dating, that would be beautiful.
All right.
We'll see if we can help.
Hit us up, ladies.
We'll get you in touch with Cantwell.
Of course, you can find him yourself and just reach out directly.
We don't need to be the middleman.
Chris, you are back on the circuit.
You're doing interviews.
You're talking about this, that, and the other thing.
There's stuff in the past that we have to cover.
I don't want to rehash too much maybe that you've written about, but do have to ask about some of this stuff because a lot of our audience won't hear you elsewhere or will not have heard you yet.
The latest news from the Charlottesville trial, I guess, was a mixed bag.
My understanding is that the bad news was that Judge Moon and his lackeys or worker bees upheld the verdict, but the damages were significantly reduced from seven figures to lower six figures divided amongst all you.
I guess, you know, tell us where we are right there with that.
I know they rejected your pretty strong claim that the hung jury or the no decision on the major conspiracy points neutered the other two points.
The court didn't agree.
But I guess, yeah, what's the latest on the trial and what it means for you and the rest of the great defendants?
Damages in total, I think, were reduced to somewhere under $2 million, something to that effect.
And if I take my share of the compensatory damages from count four, which was the thing for August 11th, and my share of the punitive damages, I'm on the hook for like $113,000 or something like that, which is a lot more than I'm looking to pay these people.
But it's not quite the life-ending situation of all these millions of dollars.
Just today, it came down that Judge Moon wanted the magistrate, Judge Hoppy, to look at the request for attorneys' fees, which is a whole nother thing.
They want like $17 million in attorneys' fees.
And so, you know, we'll see what happens with that.
It looks either way like I'm racing towards a bankruptcy.
But, you know, that was probably going to happen anyway, frankly, because going to prison didn't improve my financial situation, I mean, let's say.
So I assume they haven't come around with a guy with a baseball bat demanding the money yet.
We haven't crossed that bridge yet.
I think they'll wait until they get their, you know, their judgment on the attorney's fees and then they'll come around breaking kneecaps or whatever as soon as they have that.
Because, you know, why break my knees twice?
You know, it's like more if I'm not crippled yet.
And so they're going to, I figure that's what they're waiting for.
I think, I don't know.
I have to look into it.
I think that I can make a motion to stay the judgment pending appeal because I'm definitely going to do that.
As you hinted there, I made an argument that without the first two counts, they don't have the violent conspiracy.
And since we weren't sued for anything other than a violent conspiracy, that they shouldn't be able to find us liable for basically harassment, which is what you've got on those counts three and four.
And so, you know, I think that that's a pretty solid argument.
The judge just acted like it wasn't and sort of proceeded.
You know, when he says what we were found liable for, he says, you know, harassment or violence.
But then when he justifies it, he uses the examples of violence.
But, you know, my whole entire case was that the violence was the result of these maniacs attacking us.
That's on video.
And that's why they didn't find us liable on counts one and two.
And the idea that you're going to try to hold us liable for a violent conspiracy on three and four when you don't have a violent conspiracy on one and two is kind of preposterous.
I don't even think that you need to be a lawyer to understand that.
It's straight logic.
And so I definitely intend to appeal the thing.
I don't see how a just court could ignore that, but I'm not, my experiences in legal land lead me to question the justice of our system.
So we will see what happens.
But right now, they want to ding us all for somewhere in the realm of $2 million, and then they're going to come after us for attorney's fees on top of that.
My understanding is that the attorney's fees, those can be discharged through bankruptcy.
So they're not going to get those.
It's.
My understanding that going to have a hard time collecting those, even beyond the difficulty of collecting the actual uh damages.
Speaking of common sense, you could be like uh, excuse me, you sued me, not vice versa.
You know like, you took this on willingly and fundraised right then that like a double grift.
You know they raised x million dollars to support their lawsuit and then they're like, oh yeah actually let's, let's get it from these other guys we've already put in the uh docket.
Yeah, you mentioned the, the violence at Charlottesville, and it crossed my.
I didn't even think about it.
Now, you know I had a hard hat and uh a mouth guard and maybe combat gloves in my bag because I just wanted to have an insurance policy in in case things went pear-shaped.
But I did not wear them to the rally because I did not want to engage in any violence.
I actually thought that there wouldn't be any or we'd be mostly lucky, and it wasn't until after I got clubbed in the head and tore my acl, that once we got into the park past the Brave Shield Wall that I was like okay, now it is time to put on hard hat and uh mouth guard after the fact.
But uh, god bless you for the absolutely compelling fight and wisdom and entertainment frankly, that you put on in the courtroom.
Can you give us a little bit of color?
Maybe touched on this a little bit in our previous calls.
Uh, were you nervous going up in court against these millionaire lawyers the first time?
Did it get easier as it went along I?
I like to imagine you and the other defendants in the dock like uh, the guys at Nuremberg sort of smiling and having a laugh at this show trial but uh, anything that really sticks out uh, from that very entertaining and momentous trial.
Please, it wasn't fun getting yelled at by the judge.
Uh, I was surprised at how much that bothered me in that setting.
You know, I was like oh I I, it's something about the courtroom and the way it's laid out and the position that he's in.
You know I, I have this in my head that like um, you know, i'm just gonna go and take on the system and then, like this judge yells at me and i'm like oh, I better do what he says.
You know um uh, other than that I, I had a, I had a really good time.
I, I mean, it was uh I, I knew a lot of the facts from my preparation in the criminal case.
You know, when I had the uh, the situation that I spent 107 days in down.
Therefore, so you know, I knew a lot of this stuff, but I I really hadn't had a time to prepare for the civil trial because of all the moving around they did and the and the conditions of the communications management unit.
So, like they, they hit me with this like box of papers and this you know hard drive with thousands of files on it, the day that we came into the courtroom and they're like yeah, you can use this laptop while you're in the courtroom.
And i'm like well, there's thousands of files on this thing, I need to be able to look at them.
Back in the jail, they're like no, you know you can't do that.
Um, we'll let you take it in your holding cell in the back of the court.
And so I was always like frantically trying to, you know, watch these videos and try to figure out what was going on.
Um, so it was a little bit hectic, but you know my, my basic familiarity with, you know the, the layout of the scheme um, helped me to uh, to do this, and it was thrilling to confront these people and you know when, when you're looking face to face at somebody and they're lying and they know that you know that they're lying it makes them very uncomfortable and I really really, really like that feeling when somebody's.
I really like making people like that uncomfortable and and it and it felt really good.
Sure, and did you have a script written out for a lot of that, or were you winging it?
Obviously we couldn't see you, we're just listening in struggling to get in on that phone line.
How did you uh like in the courtroom itself, you know, were you just uh doing doing a radical agenda essentially or were you going very carefully methodically, through your notes?
The radical agenda is a mostly unscripted entertainment forum.
And so it was very much like an episode of the Radical Agenda in that it was partly scripted, partly not.
You know, the opening statement I wrote, the closing statement I wrote, I had actually written out an opening statement while I was at the prison in Illinois, but they didn't let me take my papers with me.
And then I wrote another opening statement in this county jail in Grady County, Oklahoma, while I was being transported.
They left me there for two weeks, but while they were transporting me, and I wrote another one and they took my papers from me.
And so I wrote my third opening statement while I was there.
And then, you know, and then I wrote the second closing statement while I was there.
So, you know, and I had written out all these questions at the prison and all this stuff.
And I, um, and so, but I had every time I got stripped of my papers.
So I was doing a lot of it from memory.
I was writing stuff down and then I'm improvising in the moment.
And so it was, in a sense, very much like an episode of the radical agenda.
Fair enough.
Yeah, I suspected that was the case.
I kind of do the same thing.
I script the top, of course, the opening brief monologue briefer than yours, and then just have some notes and questions and things to wing it as we go through the show.
Serious question.
When you were in behind bars and doing all this work, oh, before I get to that, it was interesting that they held your copious filings and notes and motions that you conducted under duress or, you know, with very limited options behind bars as evidence.
You know, oh, no, no, no, your claims of not having access are clearly disproven by how active you were, nevertheless.
You know, it was really, you know, hootspa really comes through a lot.
And we know a lot of good experienced lawyers in this thing who are kind of smacking their heads and they're like, man, this is just not the same legal system that I grew up in and learned to practice law in.
So credit for persevering because I filed so many things and I obviously had no problems.
But what I was filing is that I don't have access to the record.
You know, I filed an IFP in form of operas application with the court prior to the trial because I, you know, I don't have any money and I can't pay court fees and all this stuff.
I asked them for a transcript that the CMU, the communications management unit, they wouldn't let me have the complaint.
I'm like, how am I supposed to litigate without the complaint?
And because I'm filing all of these things, making these complaints, they're saying, well, your complaints are evidence that you have the capacity to do this.
And I'm like, well, actually, they're not.
And, you know, that'll be one of the things that I'm mentioning to an appeals court that, like, well, isn't that just self-evidently ridiculous that my numerous complaints are not evidence of my capacity to litigate this matter?
If I have no access to the record, if I don't have the evidence, if I don't have the complaint, well, you know, it's kind of ridiculous.
And, you know, it's not like we don't have reason to believe that the federal government would interfere in something like this.
I mean, these people wanted to come after us federally.
They knew they didn't have the goods.
And so they helped the plaintiffs in this case by sabotaging the litigation.
I mean, it's transparent.
I believe that's a, that is a, there's a legal term for that, this nuisance legal motions where they're, you know, like you say, there is a circular logic.
Well, you're, you're making complaints because you can't get any traction to do anything.
And they're saying, oh, that's the thing that, I mean, they're, they're using the legal system as a nuisance or as a hindrance to the case.
Exactly.
I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's sabotage in a politically charged case.
And, you know, the, the, the communications management unit is a politically charged unit.
You know, a lot of my neighbors were named Muhammad.
You know, Victor Boot was there, Matt Hale, Bill White.
You know, anybody who's got, you know, sort of any kind of political implication to their case can end up in the communications management unit.
And a lot of guys who are in there are also in there because they're suing the Bureau of Prisons.
So if you sue the Bureau of Prisons, you're going through the court system.
You end up in the CMU and they sabotage litigation.
It's like their obstruction of justice unit.
It's a habit that they have.
And so, you know, whether I can get justice in the Fourth Circuit or not, I suppose remains to be seen.
And I'm not going to hold my breath for that, but I'm certainly going to make the argument.
It's going to be part of the historical record, whether they like it or not.
Amen.
Chris, when you were locked up and fighting this and the other thing that we'll talk about later, did you ever go wobbly?
Did you ever, you know, virtually cry in your beer and say, ah, you know, this really isn't worth it.
Whenever I get out of here, I'm going back to regular life and leaving this stuff behind me.
I wouldn't blame you if that thought crossed your mind, but I'm just curious about your sincere psychology as you're suffering for your beliefs.
Well, I mean, I look the no, I wouldn't describe it that way.
I mean, the entire time that I was in there, I was trying to figure out more effective ways to do what I've been doing.
And, you know, and that's sort of a subject that I guess we're going to discuss at some point.
I never thought about getting out of it because I don't, I don't, it doesn't even cross my mind, frankly, right?
Like it's on, it's literally unthinkable because I wouldn't be able to, I can't imagine life without making the making some kind of effort to fix this problem that I perceive all around me.
I can't imagine a moment of comfort that didn't involve trying to fix the problems that I perceive.
Amen.
Yeah, it's just not in your constitution.
I suspect that that was the case.
And we will talk about a little, you know, change thinking or changed approach.
I guess we can do it now.
I listened to your interview.
Sam, go ahead if you got one.
I was going to ask, Chris, when you were in prison, were you well known by other convicts?
And did they understand what you were in for?
How many people understood what I was in for?
I'm not entirely certain.
Everybody, I think a lot of people thought that I was in for the Charlottesville thing.
And people who I spoke to at any length got to know that that was not the case.
Especially after I came back from trial, like that thing was all over the news, right?
So when I came back, it was like, hey, you're famous.
Yeah, I came back and, you know, like the communications management, you know, one of the good things about it, there's not a lot of blacks there, but there's a few.
And so when I came back, you know, they had seen it on CNN and that was kind of like this, this whole big thing.
But I think everybody thought that I was there for that.
And I'm like, no, that's not what I was in here for.
I'm like, I'm in here for threatening some shithead on the internet who wouldn't leave me alone.
You know, they tried to put me in for that and they failed, you know.
And so I think that there was a certain assumption of that because that's what I'm famous for.
This was my charges that I was doing time for, nobody was really very well aware of.
Because when you're sent to a real prison and then people will ask you, what are you in for?
Right.
That's what, that's how prison goes is they want to know what people are in for in case there's things like child molesters or whatever, stuff like that.
Because I've had the experience, I've known people who've done prison time.
And sometimes when it's for something like what you were in for, people don't even want to believe if they don't know the case, you know, like, wait a minute, you're like in prison for these years in prison for like this.
Like you didn't literally assault somebody.
You didn't, you know, you weren't plotting to blow something up or whatever.
You run into any of that where like people had a hard time wrapping their mind around why you're locked up for something that seems so like technical or trivial in some yeah, kind of trivial in a way.
You know, when people ask me what I'm in for, I tell them extortion.
Okay.
My charge is extortion at interstate communications.
And, you know, for the most part, people leave it at that.
But, you know, when I've told this story to people, they're like, how the fuck did you end up in prison for this?
Well, I knew a guy, he did some graffiti, you know, and it was racist, graffiti or whatever.
But so he got five years in prison, whatever the prison sentence was longer than that, but he ended up doing five years and people wouldn't believe him.
And he, you know, that they would think he's trying to hide something.
And he's, no, no, it was just, you know, just graffiti.
And so it's when our guys get prison sentences, a lot of times it's so overdone that it's the people in the prison don't they they can't wrap their mind around it unless it's a very public case, which is why I started by asking you that way if people maybe they knew a lot about the case or not.
But yeah, well, while we're on it, Sam, let's we'll talk about it now and get out of the way.
Because at the time, I was incredulous.
You know, my understanding of it was that there were these Cretans, as I described them at the top of the show, who were constantly messing with Chris's operation, trying to get him de-platforming, to platform, harassing him.
And Chris kind of rattled off a locker room taunt, basically saying, tell me who's doing this or else I'm going to come over and bobbity, bobbity, ba, which a reasonable person would be, would just interpret that as a normal human defensive action to people who are like tormenting you.
But I guess I shouldn't have been shocked.
Chris, anything you want to say about what happened there?
I mean, I'm sure if you could go back, you wouldn't have used the words that you did, but are you still pissed and incredulous that they came at you as hard for as long as they did over that little thing?
The language levels on this show, it seems to me I haven't heard a whole lot of F-bombs.
I don't know how it's going to be.
We try to keep it clean.
Please do.
So in any case, what actually happened, you know, this guy made a thinly veiled threat against my girlfriend at the time.
Okay.
He said, I guess you don't care what happens to her.
And my response to that was vulgar in the extreme.
Okay, we'll say.
And, you know, but when you understand the people that I was dealing with, I refer to them as the Dylan Roof Fan Club.
These people were not at all unaccustomed to vulgar language.
And so, you know, my defense in the case was that, look, if I went up and said this to some guy in a park, yeah, obviously I'd have committed a crime.
But, you know, in the context of our relationship, that it wasn't what you're making it out to be.
And it was only at another point in the conversation where I told him to give me this other guy's identity.
And they sort of connected this response to this thinly veiled threat against my girlfriend to this totally separate demand for information.
And they called it extortion.
I was facing 20 years in prison over that.
And so, you know, it was pretty ridiculous.
You know, and there was, you know, these statements, the demand for information and what they called the threat were like minutes apart from each other in a telegram conversation.
And they're just saying, well, it's, it's in this straight line of text.
And I'm like, well, it's a completely separate thought, you know, but these people were not out for justice.
I mean, I had, you know, these guys were calling me a rat because when they defaced my website, I went to the FBI.
I'm like, this is this is a business website.
I have credit card numbers and stuff.
And if you start, you know, defacing, if you're, if you're violating the security of my business systems, I have a, I have a fiduciary obligation to my customers to protect their information.
And so.
Um, you know, I went to the FBI and I said look, these guys defaced my website.
This is what I know about them.
These are the ip addresses and the FBI didn't do anything about it.
And the FBI pretended that they had no idea what I was talking about, but they were.
They had cameras in front of my house when this happened.
You know they were following me around since october of 2018.
The conduct that landed me in prison happened in june of uh of 2019 and in may of 2018.
I, like you know, I had a pretty good relationship with my local police department, and I have to because I carry a gun, where I used to carry a gun, and I uh, and I get threats and stuff.
So like, when people send me threats online, like I, I would forward them to a detective at my local police department in case I have to shoot somebody.
And so, you know uh, one day I I forwarded yet another death threat to this cop that I know and uh, he's like, look, you know the the volume of threats that you're reporting seem to be higher than the usual noise level.
You want to come down, talk to me about what's going on?
And i'm like sure, so I went down to the local police department in may of 2019 and while i'm in there talking to this detective, the joint terror task force is in the parking lot taking pictures of my car, you know, and so, like they're all over me, they know exactly what's going on.
I've now twice reported these guys to law enforcement and the following month, after i've gone to the FBI and my local police department, you know, this guy shows up and you know, and I use, and i'm and i'm incautious with my words, and they come after me.
You know, and you could just imagine if like, if I was Black or Jewish and I was like yeah, some Neo-nazi terrorist organization is threatening my life.
You know, would I be?
Would I have faced that problem?
No, absolutely not.
It's they were ignoring my problem.
You know, this is how we persecute dissidents in the United States today is we deny them the protection of the laws and then we hold them legally liable for the predictable outcome of that lawlessness.
And that's exactly what they did to me, and you know, and and countless other people.
Frankly, cautionary tale for all of our listeners that uh yeah, being loose-lipped, even in a private telegram chat, can come back to bite you.
So be careful out there.
Fam and Chris I mean in hindsight 2020, of course do you regret ever bothering, trying to go to law enforcement, and in particular, the FBI, just for other guys who may get the same treatment?
I mean, is it just not worth it because they're that sincerely uh, unwilling to be helpful to anybody of our ilk?
I um, I have mixed feelings about that, frankly.
I I don't know that I had other options, you know.
I mean, think about this.
Okay, think about I don't go to law enforcement.
Somebody comes after me and I put a hole in them all.
Right, you know, that was something that I took very seriously.
I carried a gun everywhere I went.
It was not uncommon for me to receive Threats.
And like, I seriously thought about, you know, if I've got to shoot somebody, I want to be able to say that I did everything in my power to prevent that from happening.
And so, you know, especially the track record, yeah, even if they don't help you, may still be helpful in the end.
Exactly.
I mean, look, you know, the Charlottesville thing, it's like we went to, we dealt with the police in advance of the thing.
And as bad as it was, you can imagine that it would have been a whole lot worse if we were like, F the law, that thing would have been a whole lot worse, frankly.
And so, you know, I'm about to publish, as you alluded to before, I've published Radical Agenda Stage 6, Episode Zero, where I sort of take the listener down a trip down memory lane.
I'm about to publish Stage 6, Episode 1.
And the title of this is, It's the Espionage Stupid.
Okay.
Kind of like a take on the old It's the Economy Stupid.
Okay.
I don't think that law enforcement is our problem.
I think our problem is the intelligence agencies.
And the intelligence agencies, entirely too frequently, they co-opt law enforcement, obviously, because law enforcement is the cover that they use for their domestic espionage.
And so that is a hazard that we have to deal with.
But like, I don't think it's a realistic option to just be like, well, I don't communicate with the law.
Like, if people are, you know, committing crimes against you and threatening your life, I don't think that you have an option to be like, well, come and get me, sucker.
I don't think that's a serious proposal.
Fair enough.
Yep.
On to your evolution or whatever shift in your thinking and your tactics, your approach.
I listened to the, I guess it's season two of the Manor Bunn dispatch with you, Dr. Hill and Odysseus interviewing you guys.
It was great.
I recommend all of our listeners to check it out.
But I did see some feedback that in your case in particular, listeners were a little bit not suspicious, but questioning of a little bit of your moderated hopes and sort of sustained hopes that the GOP could be somewhat reformed or forced pressured to go in a more pro-white and honest agenda.
Take us through that evolution of your thinking, both in terms of principles and tactics.
Big topic.
Have at it as you like.
I'm sick of going to jail for one.
I really don't like jail.
And that weighs heavily on me.
And I really don't want other people to go to jail either.
I also think that we've got this thing that's really good.
And yet people are terrified of getting doxxed.
And they want to participate in something that they don't have to hide their identities.
There's people out there who help me.
There's people out there who want to help me but can't.
And some people who help me and they're like, if anybody finds out I'm helping you, my life is over.
And I think that it's, I think it's a prudent, reasonable thing to try to alleviate those problems.
Now, I'm not 100% certain of how to do that.
And I'm kind of figuring it out as I go along.
And what I observe during the time that I've been sort of disconnected from alternative media and I'm watching, you know, Fox and listening to conservative talk radio and reading the Wall Street Journal is influencing my thinking here, obviously.
But it seems to me that when I started doing the radical agenda, my perception was that like the biggest problem in our politics was that everybody was trying to be like middle of the road and reasonable.
I don't think that that's necessarily what's going on anymore and that the political landscape has changed substantially.
The Democrats are completely nuts.
I mean, you know, they're willing to wage war with Russia over transgenderism is really, you could call this world war trans, as Tucker Carlson did.
And I found that very amusing.
I thought it really captured what's going on very well.
I understand that American and Russian foreign policy relations are more complex than that, but I do think it captures the moment.
When they're sending these intelligence agencies after moms who are going to PTA meetings and calling them terrorists because they don't want their kids to be turned transgender, that's an opportunity to communicate with those people and try to influence them and to carry a certain momentum that they have for ourselves.
But those people are understandably terrified of being labeled Nazis.
And so I think it's prudent to try to find ways to make conduits of influence with these circles that those people are not necessarily repelled immediately so that you can at least get a seat at the table with them.
You know, precisely how to do that, I think is up for discussion.
And like I said, I'm still figuring that out.
But it certainly means not screaming about Adolf Hitler in public as frequently, at least.
It means that I don't want to be associated with people who worship mass shooters, certainly.
These things, you have to be careful.
And to the discussion on the Mannerbund dispatch, there was some discussion of street activism and stuff.
And Dr. Hill wants to keep on doing this.
And I have full faith in him to do that.
He's been doing this for a long time.
He knows how to keep his guys safe.
But I think that I have a reasonable skepticism towards street demonstrations at this point in time because it's an invitation, unfortunately, to left-wing violence.
And I don't want to give the impression that I'm afraid to face these people because I think I've demonstrated more than once that I'm not.
It's just a matter of trying to figure out what the most effective possible avenue to turn our ideas into public policy and to put ourselves into proximity to political power or to have conduits of influence towards people who do have proximity to power.
These are the mechanisms which I hope to exploit.
And I'll be happy to answer a more specific question.
Chris, Chris, I was listening to the Mannerbund dispatch, and I thought it was an interesting remark you made that you were saying literature drops is a way to go.
And flyers and things like that, you believe was effective.
And as I thought about it, I thought how the world has changed or how our scene has changed, because I can remember a time when handing out a flyer or something was like a joke almost.
And nobody would take a flyer, nobody would read a flyer.
And really, even up until relatively recent times, that, in my estimation, was a sentiment.
But now I see that when you offer a flyer or literature or something now, people are interested to take it.
I think it's somehow times have changed a little bit that way.
So I thought that was an interesting remark on your part that once again, literature does have some currency with people.
People will take a flyer and look at it now if you hand them one.
Do you think I'm on something more?
I have no data on how many people are ideologically altered by being handed a flyer.
But I think what I was getting at more is that the risk versus reward ratio of doing that is probably worth it, as opposed to like, As opposed to saying, hey, here's a big publicly advertised thing where we're all going to show up and have our say, which is an invitation for saboteurs to come and pick a fight.
Anything that's just in my experience, there was a point in time, you would hand somebody a flyer and they just wouldn't take it.
Yeah, I don't know.
Does it move them?
Does it change anybody?
Maybe, maybe not.
Who knows?
But just, it seems like you can hand out stuff now and people will take it.
People will look at it.
So I think that's there's something there.
As long as it's more interesting than the black guy trying to give you like a discount coupon to the shoe store.
I saw that a little bit while I was out in your neck of the woods, Sam.
Yeah, Chris, Chris has a really tough line to walk, frankly.
I think I told him this privately because he's got a very large and loyal, I would call them hardcore fan base from the olden days, the edgier days.
But there is certainly a logic to not alienating people out of the gate with extremist language.
Now, hear me out, Sam.
I'm not cucking on this because I think a lot of us project, you know, what was it that woke us up?
And if there's like a sequence of things that we've heard more than anything else, it's been poll, Twitter, and podcasts are probably the top three factors that have woken up the guys who are already with us now.
However, there are a lot of smart, good people.
I don't just talk to national socialists and white nationalists who still get spooked or turned off by some of, you know, Chris said, the Hitler worship or whatnot.
And we did a whole episode on why that and why we do it.
But also on the show, we don't make it like totally over the top.
We just take it for granted or we don't take it for granted.
We just state it as fact that World War II was not as simple as good guys versus bad guys defeating the enemy.
Ukraine is a whole nother can of worms.
We could do another show with Chris on that.
But yeah, I mean, Chris, I understand your motives, but are you still going to give the base, you know, red meat?
I know you did Outlaw Conservative too.
Yeah.
How are you going to still give the people what they need to hear while not spooking the horses?
I guess.
And you're still figuring it out.
So work in progress, I guess.
Outlaw Conservative is, I'm not even bothering to do a conclusion to Outlaw Conservative, let's put it that way.
I mean, you know, that was something that I had this idea prior to my arrest, and I was able to get payment processing for Outlaw Conservative, which is important, you know.
And so, but it wasn't very well thought out.
It was something that I, frankly, Outlaw Conservative, plainly put, was something that I did because I needed money and I was trying to figure out a way that I could, you know, give customers a way to pay me.
Right.
And it worked for that purpose.
So, you know, but the content, you know, there are people who still tell me that they liked Outlaw Conservative.
And, you know, I'm sorry to deprive them of the format, but I think that what I'm going to try to do is something other than that.
You know, Outlaw Conservative, for those of you who don't know, it basically tried to do the radical agenda in the same exact format with the open phones and stuff, but by not mentioning race or violence.
And it was impossible because open phones, you know, I can't do open phones even for the radical agenda anymore.
It's just it's open to too much subversion.
And trying to basically do the same thing while dancing around these subjects, it wasn't very well thought out and it didn't go very well.
I'm doing radical agenda stage six as something that's pre-recorded.
I'm not doing a live stream with live audience participation.
What I intend to do is accept like voicemails from listeners.
I might even, if the voicemail is good or a listener has a call he wants to do, I'll record a call with him offline.
But this thing that I was doing where anybody can just call a phone number and talk to me live, that invited way too much trouble.
And even like, you know, in court, the things that callers said on the show were used against me.
And so like it became this huge problem.
And that format is not going to work anymore.
Gotcha.
So just a little teaser for the audience.
So you're out of the gate swinging metaphorically, of course.
You've got the show going again.
Your writing is up again at ChristopherCantwell.net is probably your best home base aside from Telegram.
Anything else you're thinking in terms of either activism or bringing your audience together that you might want to tease to draw more traffic?
After I conclude, well, concurrently with producing Radical Agenda Stage 6, I want to put together like a presentation based on the Charlottesville trial, like a sort of like a PowerPoint narrated, something that I could, it'll be something that I want to publish to a video hosting site, but something that I could do in front of a live audience based on the trial, you know.
And I've variously thought about naming it closing argument or something to that effect, but it's just a branding contemplation.
You know, I want something that's presentable to maybe not the average person, but somebody who's sympathetic to the January 6th defendants say that you can say, hey, look, it happened to you.
It happened to us.
We need to understand what this process is and address it in that fashion.
And I think that it's an excellent conduit to influence because the January 6th defendants are, you know, a lot of them will probably be like, oh, there's Nazis in Seaville.
I'm sorry.
I did it again.
Sorry.
That's what Rolo's here for.
Rolo presses the boop button and it's done.
You know, I think a lot of the January, the people who are sympathetic to the January 6th defendants probably didn't have much sympathy for them so-called Nazis in Seaville or whatever.
And after what happened to them, I think that they're more willing to accept that there's very nefarious actors who will try to miscategorize your political views and use that as an excuse to persecute you.
And that's certainly what happened to us.
And so I want to put together something that you can introduce these people to what happened.
And that's one of the projects I'm working on concurrently with stage six at a radical agenda.
Radical Agenda Stage Six, I'm going to conclude the Radical Agenda as such.
And I want to choose a new name for the show and continue podcasting.
But the name that I was going to use, somebody already has the dot com.
I was going to do Surreal Politique.
And that is unfortunately taken.
So I got to think of a new name.
But I'm going to continue podcasting.
And I want to, I think that what I'm working towards more than specifics is I think that we need to be able to dial it up and down as the times dictate is kind of the concept that I'm working on.
Okay.
I think that there's, I probably went too far the whole time, frankly, because like when I was involved with the libertarians, the government didn't really care what we did because we were impotent, let's say.
And I didn't understand the danger that I was getting into when I started venturing into the alt-right.
I didn't understand the history of the movement and stuff.
You know, a lot of people went head over heels just right over it.
Yep, and over the top.
Yep.
You know, and so like, you know, understanding the perils that we face, I think that I would have been more cautious than I originally was, especially when it comes to talking about use of force.
Okay.
You know, when I was involved with the libertarians, I talked about use of force a lot because the whole entire thing with libertarians is the non-aggression principle.
When is force appropriate?
And it's a moral theoretical question.
I don't think that you can discuss it in the same terms when you're dealing with nationalism because it has the potential to get much more dangerous much more quickly, I think.
And so that, I think, was a mistake that I made.
And I can't say that given the same information, I'd have done it any differently.
But, you know, I have different information now, let's say.
And so, but at the same time, I think that what we did certainly served its purpose.
I think that what we're seeing now with this, I think that there has been a big rightward shift in the Republican Party.
I don't think it's quite what any of us would want it to be, but I think it has happened.
And I think it is partially because we pushed the limit.
So, okay, you know, I participated in this thing.
It had a certain impact on American politics.
And now it's just time to sort of like reorient and figure out how to best continue that impact.
And what I know is that if I can't obtain services or resources, then I'm not going to be able to have the impact that I want to have.
And another thing that I noticed was that part of the big impact that I had was I had all these libertarians listening to me, right?
I mean, I brought like 10,000 people into this movement, you know, and that was a significant thing because I had done something else that was palatable to people and I dragged those people over with me.
How could I attempt to repeat that performance?
Well, you know, certainly not by scaring everybody away as soon as they come into contact with me.
And so, you know, I'm trying to figure out conceptually, how do I reach more people and then bring them along?
And that requires a certain amount of flexibility.
And that's difficult in this thing because everybody immediately is like, you're cocking.
And I'm like, well, just going to pursue it a second time.
You know, like I defended myself in this corner.
I'm like, I'm willing to take the hits.
I'm willing to suffer.
You know, I'm willing to get my, I'm willing to get beat up and thrown in prison and bankrupted.
I just, I just need to figure out how I can make all that have a positive impact on the world.
And that's sort of the project that I'm working on.
Amen.
Yeah.
Thank you for sharing that.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
You don't want it to be futile, what you're doing.
You don't want to see yourself, you know, a suicide mission.
Yeah, where you're getting entrained in all these ridiculous charges and stuff like that.
So, you know, when it comes to violence, force, use of force, all that, I try to explain to people that I use the analogy of the Wild West.
You know, in the Wild West, you would walk around with a six gun strapped to your hip.
And if somebody looked at you funny, you could shoot them, you know, and because that's what the times were like, you know, and so we're not living in those times.
And that type of violence or threat of violence is not appropriate because we have other means to get our message out and things like that right now and to change people or to attract people to our ideas, you know, but in a different time, maybe that does become appropriate.
And when that time comes, it will be again permissible, just like in the Wild West.
So it's still a competition, Sam.
Yeah.
Chris is going to pursue this tech and we'll see how it grows.
Yeah, other people are going to go harder or differently.
Yeah.
Well, and what I would say is for Chris, I mean, you're an interesting guy.
You have interesting things to say and you go on the strength of your personality and the things that interest you, the things that you do every day, the way you see the world and your political ideas filter through your experiences and the way you look at things.
You could be about anything.
It could be about like the things we talk about on this show, family things, being fathers, husbands, whatever it is, kind of sometimes somewhat mundane things that have deeper implications because of our political views.
Amen, Sam.
Yeah.
And Chris's talk there spurred a couple of thoughts.
First off, Chris, don't worry about not having the first name for your show go forward because this show was originally going to be called the Pro-Creators, Pro-Creators.
Get it?
I thought I was so clever for that.
I told my wife.
It was clever, a little grandiose.
And I told my wife, she rolled her eyes.
And then like 30 minutes later, she texted me full house with the Germanic.
So there you go.
I was like, boom, that's better.
It's been a winner.
Yep, the Charlottesville presentation is good.
You know, sometimes I get Charlottesville fatigue.
You know, we're like a bunch of hippies who won't shut up about Woodstock, but it was single-handedly the most radicalizing event in my life.
There is nothing like seeing stinking, snarling, dirty, commie, Antifa basically roaming the streets with weapons behind balaclavas while the cops are either nowhere to be seen or cowering off on the side.
And then to be told after you've been beaten and bloodied and tried to do the right thing and in many cases, not even defend yourself because you didn't want to get into trouble or you didn't want to get arrested, then to be told that you were actually the bad guys and are on the hook for all that was something to behold.
And then finally, you know, to the good that we did, we see unequivocally that white racial interests, white displacement, replacement have absolutely broken through to the mainstream.
And everybody, just before the show, I just saw something, a guy telling an anecdote about all of his coworkers, not bright to your Fed posting, but just absolutely openly talking about how anti-white this system.
And that was a phrase that men labored for decades to get into the lexicon.
And now it's there in full form.
I could go up and down this block I live on and probably nine out of 10 people would agree.
I could ask just about anybody of my coworkers and people would agree, you know.
And I wanted to make one other point about something Chris said on the Manor Bund dispatch, talking about this public demonstrations and how demonstrations, public demonstrations are really a demonstration of power because that means you have more power than the police.
That means you have power over nigger mobs.
That means you have power over the universities or whatever societal structures are out there.
And even though we might carry a preponderance of public sentiment now, we do not have the levers of power like that to mean like we could practically have a riot and the cops would just stand and watch or look the other way, like what Antifa can do.
And I remember when we had Thomas Rousseau on there from Patriot Front, and he was saying that the public demonstration is when you show your work.
So when PF does an action or, you know, and they have to operate under very strict kind of limits and they have to plan carefully what they're going to do, or when you're anti-fun, you could just recklessly go out and break the law and assault people, kill people even.
You know, that is showing the power that you have.
That is showing what you've accomplished with your organization or your influence over people.
Amen.
Glad you brought that up because I think it's a really important point.
You know, as I said on the right, I used to think that public demonstrations were something powerless people did to gain power.
Exactly.
No, public demonstrations are an expenditure of power.
They are showing that you have the power to do it.
And we learned, I think that we learned that the hard way.
I learned that the hard way anyway in Charlottesville.
And it was put on prominent display all through 2020.
And despite the fact that there's been a sea change in that you could go anywhere and find people to agree with you.
And as we even laugh about the normies will be more radical than we will be because we know like where the line is and normies will just say stuff that's like total Fed posting, as we would say.
And I will contrast that because I'm older than you guys and I could remember the sentiment in the 80s and the 90s was that we knew we were a hated small minority.
We looked with derision and contempt at so-called normal society.
We looked at them as just being pigs, you know.
But now it does, I would argue you could show that the sentiment has shifted in our favor.
So it just shows you how times have changed.
You know, it's a good on Tucker Carlson and when Tulsi Gabbard are saying, are complaining about anti-white race hate, that is something that, you know, you, you wouldn't have seen prior to 2017.
No.
And so that on the Fox News prime time, I think is meaningful.
And, you know, I said, let's set this very reasonable goal of getting politicians to ask for the white vote.
I think that that's an achievable thing and we can go from there.
But as far as we've come, look at still how we don't have that type of power, the power over the police, the power over the political system, the power over university, the power over nigger mobs.
Yeah.
And we, and the JQ is still a bridge too far.
That white identity.
And that's the whole team.
Yep.
Right, exactly.
They're going to eventually allow this white identity and white politics, as long as you don't touch the Jewish question.
And that, of course, Chris knows is the other hazard is that they will try to gatekeep it and manage it and finesse it to keep it a good, nice, docile, toothless dog, as opposed to something that actually makes a difference for us.
But, you know, we've talked before, too.
I am not completely, you know, it's a constant temptation to just be like, it's all broken.
F it.
Like, let it burn.
No political solution and check out and move to the country.
Not entirely a wrong assessment of things, but at the same time, it is shirking at the same time too, to not engage with things as they are.
And speaking of engaging things as they are, Chris, unfortunately, we have at least a couple buddies that we know in our broader circles who are facing similar prison time as you did.
So not life, nothing major.
It's basically political oppression.
But any tips in, well, I'll forward this to them, but any tips for guys who are looking at three to five as to how to manage themselves, get through it, stay healthy, make friends, don't get shivved.
I think that guys who have never done time before, I don't know if these guys have, but anybody who hasn't done time before, they think that you go to prison and your life is over.
And that's most certainly not the case.
Your life's just getting started.
And after you're there for a little while, you're going to go to bed at night and you'll be like, I didn't get done what I wanted to do today.
That is kind of, I think that a lot of people picture it that like you're just languishing away in a cell all day.
And that's not how prison works.
I mean, I mean, not even in county jail, but when you get to prison, I mean, you're going to, you know, you're going to be busy.
So there's a lot of things that you can do, not the least of which is exercising.
You know, I miss having the time to read.
You know, it's, it's kind of nice to be able to do that.
And you meet interesting people in prison.
You know, some people that you meet in prison are obviously not so nice, but there's no shortage of interesting ones there, especially if you're a political prisoner and you get housed as a political prisoner and you're around other political prisoners, then things are going to get very interesting.
So, you know, make good use of your time.
It's not impossible to do.
If you have a mind for legal stuff, you can read about the law all day if you want.
You can sue the Bureau of Prisons.
You can aid other prisoners in their litigation.
There's a lot of guys who are in prison that that's what they do.
They become prison lawyers.
That's huge.
And if you can do that, then you can be of limitless service to your people when you get out too.
So that's just one of the many things that you can do.
And I would say if you think about it, like, what am I going to do in prison?
It's a lot easier than just waiting to get out.
Because if you're just waiting to get out, you're going to drive yourself insane.
Try to do good things in prison, make good use of your time.
Do time.
Don't let time do you, they say.
Chris, were you ever physically unsafe or threatened?
And did you ever worry about dropping the soap?
Serious questions.
Worried about the soap.
I got my eye busted open in County at one point.
I got another thing over to TV, but nothing really happened.
You know, I was constantly in conflict with people over to TV because I want to have the news on all the time.
And like, you know, a certain- I got to watch my Tucker.
And Jamal's like, no, I want to watch PV.
Exactly.
Jamal wants to watch ridiculousness all day, right?
They want to watch stupid VH1 nonsense all day.
And I'm like, look, you know, there's a war going on.
There's people rioting in the streets.
I got to find out, you know, what's happening in my country.
And so, you know, in a lot of places, like in certain parts of the first county jail that I was in, you had, you know, black TV, a white TV, and a Spanish TV, and there's no drama over it then.
As soon as you start sharing TVs with different groups, you know, things can get kind of hectic.
But I got into three different times.
I had to let people, you know, when I was in the federal prison, I had to let guys know that I would fight three times.
And I volunteered to go in a cell with them.
That's the like just cameras out in the day area.
So you say you want to go in a cell, it means you want to fight.
And I volunteered to do that and they didn't take me up on it.
And so that was all my, that was the sum of my, you know, physical confrontations in prison.
It wasn't that bad.
There's two guys who were in the hole when I left and they were the accusation is that they raped somebody.
So apparently that was something that could happen in my unit.
Somebody got killed in the CMU not long before I got there.
So I mean, it's not a perfectly safe place.
But, you know, I didn't really have those problems.
Good to know for our guys and anybody else who gets in trouble.
Chris, I only got one or two more and then we'll go to the break.
You did and you wrote about meeting or at least partially knowing Victor Baut or Boot in USP Marion, which was just fascinating.
I mean, international gun runner next to, you know, you're pinched for a Telegram, poorly choice of words.
Anything you can share about meeting Victor or hanging out?
I guess he helped you translate some of the Russian stories, but what was that like?
I met Victor shortly after I got to prison, but I didn't talk to him too much until I came back from trial.
And I guess, you know, I became more friendly with him when I got back.
Everybody had seen me on TV and I was a little bit better known at that point.
And then at one point, they actually put him in a cell next to me.
And so we were watching when the conflict broke out in Ukraine.
And we ended up talking about that a lot.
And he, like I said in the article, he was getting the Russian newspaper sent to him by the embassy.
And so we would watch the news all the time.
He had the same thing as me.
He just wanted to have the TV on the news.
And so we would stay apprised of the news together.
And he would read to me from the Russian newspapers and tell me what was going on over there because in a communications management unit, there's limits on who you can speak to.
You don't have alternative viewpoints and stuff.
And so it was a very interesting thing to sort of, you know, to sort of get that end of the perspective.
And I had taken the, you know, not because of Victor.
I was sympathetic to Russia, you know, before I got arrested.
I was covering this, you know, this, the first annual impeachment of Donald J. Trump when they broke my door down and dragged me off to prison.
And I was starting to be like, what the hell is going on in Ukraine?
You know, and I was starting to realize that like, okay, you know, there's a lot of like Democrat cesspool stuff going on in this country.
And so I thought that Russia's security concerns were legitimate.
And that was sort of a bonding experience for us.
And he would read to me from the papers.
And, you know, he was Victor was just, you know, a really nice guy.
I mean, he, you know, people often deny their crimes in prison, but I have no reason to disbelieve Victor that he's like, look, I was a businessman.
I ran a shipping company.
If, you know, I don't know what's in the boxes I'm shipping a lot of the time.
You know, it was kind of his take on the whole gun running thing.
I imagine that, you know, I don't know how much he knew about what he was shipping, let's say.
So, you know, but he got along with everybody, Victor.
I mean, he was never in, you know, any conflicts.
He could go sit and talk to anybody in the prison and he got along with everybody fine.
The cops liked him.
You know, he's a really, he's a really pleasant guy to be around.
And just amazing symbolism of you getting your freedom almost simultaneously as him.
Not just that, but that you knew each other behind bars and then you both got your newfound liberty.
And of course, Victor is over there in Russia, gave an interview to RT a couple of weeks ago in which he made the statement that it's very difficult or near impossible to be a normal white person or a healthy white person in America.
I'll link that interview.
There's two, there's like one clipped interview that the enemy made to try to make them look bad.
And then there's the full one from RT.
You don't know which one is edited and which one's less selectively edited, but I'll post that regardless.
And yeah, very just absolutely fascinating.
I couldn't believe that.
Last question from me, Chris, and we'll see if Sam and Rolo have anything in their stacks.
But You nailed it that so many of our people are still held back from the threat of doxing, worried about losing their jobs.
They know the score.
They want to help, and many of them do help in their own sort of more careful, considered way.
What would you say to the mint?
Because we have a lot of married men, men with children, maybe high earners who love the show, but are afraid of doing more than listening and maybe getting in a chat here or there.
Any, I don't know, words of wisdom or encouragement or caution to guys on the fence.
Very limited advice for people who can't get doxed because, I mean, like, you know, I sort of got into politics in a very public way and got into, you know, this thing that we're in now sort of very much by accident, right?
I never saw any of this coming, you know.
And so I never had, I never had the opportunity to not be public about my views because they all sort of happened live on the air.
But I'll say that, you know, you have to do what you have to do for your family.
And if you don't have, you know, resources and people around you, then, you know, how much of use are you going to be to anybody?
You know, so I think that there's a task ahead of us to find ways that ways that people can participate without incurring the risks that we take by being very public with very controversial views.
I think that those opportunities exist within the Republican Party.
I think that they exist within these factions of the GOP and conservative centric, maybe like the nationalist conservative or like Christian nationalist stuff.
I think that there's meaningful avenues for people to get involved.
If they can't be completely forthcoming about all of their views on everything, that these are safer avenues for them to find outlets to express themselves.
And I think that we need to cultivate conduits between these groups to make that more tolerable.
And I'll say that, like, I said before about like the sort of shifted focus of the content, I'll say the same thing to them.
Like, there's a, I think it's a bad habit that we have in this thing to, you know, accuse people of cucking right away.
You know, it's, it's, there's a, I think that that has served a legitimate purpose.
I think that there's, oh, I think that there's a legitimate time for that, but, you know, not everybody can just go start screaming about the Jews everywhere they go.
I mean, it's, it's not a realistic proposal.
And if we're not doing realistic things, then we're not, then we're not going to have an impact on politics.
And I absolutely refuse to accept that we can't carry our ideas into public policy.
We've got to find ways to do that.
Amen, brother.
Yeah, I'm on the fence personally.
I mean, my gut, you know, 2017 newly emergent Coach Finstock persona says, ah, these people are worthless.
There's no chance.
You make one little inroad and then they'll boot you for wrongthink.
And yet, the ground has shifted a lot.
And we've got a lot more people out there willing to entertain our ideas and not necessarily cast you out for wrongthink or being a dissident just because the truth will out and increasingly it is out.
Sam Rolo, anything else before we let Chris get back to work?
I know he's not going to sleep after this.
Rollo, come on.
You must have one in a second.
Go ahead, Sam.
Well, go ahead.
Yeah.
Are you sure?
All right.
Well, I was gonna point out, go go yes, take the opportunity dang, I think there's a delay here.
Probably Mark Mark Dice made a video recently where he was talking about anti-white discrimination, like specifically calling it anti-white, and then he um mentioned without saying the Jq he said, and then there's another race that controls Hollywood.
That if you mention them, then you'll just see what happens to you then.
And Mark Dice has been a pretty big like Republican and Trump shill for the last few years.
I I can't tell you the last time I watched one of his videos, but I just saw the headline looked interesting, so I watched it and I was like okay, he's just addressing, he's like the.
The liberals are just full on anti-white and it's specifically anti-white and it's coming from the media and the media is ran by Jews was the gist of his video.
Sure yeah yeah, certainly don't want to uh encourage people to uh gloss over that.
If you want to play a little bit of footsie uh, I understand it or not, go all the way over, but they are the final boss.
Let's be honest, go ahead.
Sim Rollo, ain't you gonna ask him about the Wonder Woman comics?
Captain America Chris, Tell you got to explain about these comic books that you've been writing about black gay woman, Captain America.
I mean I, I understand prison.
I understand prison changes a man but, come on, I never seen before.
No, you know uh I, I know you guys are blowing my cover now.
This whole time i've been a comic book artist and uh, what i'm actually trying to do is i'm baiting them in.
I'm like, you know, i'm gonna do this.
You know, this Negress lesbian um uh, Captain America, and then uh, and then, and then she's going to become a, become a Nazi and transition back to male.
Um no I, I am not the cartoon uh, the cartoon artist that you're referencing what I think actually happened.
Um if, if i'm correct and i'm not certain that I am I think this guy was doing stuff for a long time and and that I I suspect he was motivated to go full boar social justice after 2017.
I think his name got associated with mine and he was like, no, i'm not here to look at all this social justice stuff that I do.
I, I think that's.
I think that's what happened, though i'm not certain.
Chris is doppelganger, the tranny cartoonist, go figure.
Yeah, it's America after all Chris, thank you so much for coming back third time as a newly freed man.
Chris's website is Christophercantwell.net.
Please guys, if you're thinking about donating to us this week, go ahead, go over to give, send go Slash Can't.
WELL, and help him meet his goal.
I checked before the show.
He's about halfway there.
He needs a whip and maybe some slightly upgraded uh, residential situation.
I don't know exactly.
Well yeah, he's got his website.
He's got his address on the site.
Uh Chris, honored to have you back, damn glad to have you back in the fight.
And uh, I don't know it sounds kind of gay, but i'm just really proud of you for uh, For not tucking tail amidst adversity, we need more people like you.
Very much, man.
It's an honor to be on here.
I think this went very well.
I knew it would.
And it's a thank you very much for having me on.
Thanks.
Pleasures all ours.
We're going to get you waifed up and you're going to be dead camp.
Well, soon enough.
Is there a tune that you'd like to play at the break?
Some of these guys, some of the big content creators are like, I don't really listen to music.
I got nothing.
Do you got any no face Nate?
Sure.
You got a favorite you want to play?
Yeah, I'll pick one if a certain track doesn't come to mind.
I am a big fan of his.
The track I'm thinking of, I think the name of it is Rally.
We're going to a rally.
Forget the.
I've only heard, well, I heard it like 20 times in a day.
I haven't listened to it in a couple of weeks.
You got it.
You got it?
Yeah.
I got it in my Telegram somewhere.
I know what you're talking about.
We'll find it and put it up.
No face.
Nate.
We'll have him on the show too.
Somebody recommended him, but we've been working through our backlog here.
God bless Chris Cantwell.
Support him, please.
And stay tuned for all of his, I'm sure, good and provocative work to come.
And we will be right back.
Will the rise.
I can't sit still.
My head is over slow.
Thoughts leaking.
If I don't upload soon, I'll probably start tweaking.
Can't help that I was called the service of Warburg.
Your poet cursed Virgil.
Burned a couple bridges on the lonely road.
It ended up performing for a crowd of the faithful.
Everybody bumping, this is labeled as hateful.
Everybody bumping, this is one of the legion.
You're my reason for breathing.
I pledge eternal allegiance.
Spread the word.
Bronze Age savage is the message for the kids.
Cause they're teachers and professors will never confess it.
They tried to break me, couldn't teach me no lesson.
Whoever finally finds a way to take me out, God bless him.
Can't quit, gotta spit.
I'm cursed to forever.
Speaking verse started long before these convictions.
You heard it here.
First, destiny led me to find a better way to channel it.
And fans who understand, damn, I can barely handle it.
Move to the beat of the war drums.
I got a lot to prove.
More to come.
Still hungry, still young.
Roaming in spirit, the dreams never gonna die.
Can't keep a man down when he's got the will to rise.
Move to the beat of the war drums.
I got a lot to prove more to come.
Still hungry, still young.
Roaming in spirit, the dreams never gonna die.
Can't keep a man down when he's got the will to rise.
Every lyric you hear is straight from the spirit of truth.
I feel the nearest to but doing this shit here in the booth.
I know a lot of you love poetry as much as yours.
Truly do.
Rest assured, this word salad won't poison you.
Proud to be a member of the Aryan race.
Proud to be friends with men who tie their boots in red and white lace.
A shame I used to rap about weed and all that dumb shit.
Masked up like it's Halloween and now I run shit.
Otherwise, I get blackballed.
Cause I'm the only white rapper in America with a dozen lick black balls here to stay going down in history already.
Rock the mic, white babber, bite, rock the boat, hold steady.
Generation, cyclone, blood relation, veneration, haters scared to take us on like, oh shit, here comes Jason.
Everybody knows what to put on to slam the weights with.
Out with them and M and then with no face.
They bitch.
Move to the beat of the war drums.
I got a lot to prove more to come.
Still hungry, still young.
Roaming in spirit with the dreams, never gonna die.
Can't keep a man down when he's got the will to rise.
Move to the beat of the war drums.
I got a lot to prove more to come.
Still hungry, still young.
Roaming in spear with the dreams, never gonna die.
Can't keep a man down when he's got the will to rise.
Like, whoa, look at him go.
Got the fervor of berserkers, wolf packs slaughter chumps in the snow.
You already know Vulgar River runs through the flow.
Been bestowed with the gift of gap all around me.
Fairies glow.
Standing on a mountain of bones, a conquered instrumental.
Stinking I've gone mental already.
I'm giving it to you gentle.
All the white youth are in revolt with double lightning bolts.
Charged up, thinking to give the system a joke.
Yeah, move to the beat of the war drums.
I got a lot to prove more to come, still hungry, still young.
Roman in spirit, the dream's never gonna die.
Keep a man down when he's got the will to rise Move to the beat of the war drums I got a lot to prove, more to come Still hungry, still young Roman in spirit, the dream's never gonna die Can't keep a man down when he's got the will to rise.
And welcome back to Full House, episode 149, second half, best half.
In some people's opinions.
And huge thanks, of course, to Chris Cantwell for joining us there in the first half.
And we have a pleasant surprise.
We got to stow away here in the second hour.
I wanted to just have a little private chat with Sam and Rolo, but Chris, I'm smiling through the microphone, is hanging out with us again.
Even though we told him we got a lot of comfy audience feedback, he's going to, you know, maybe he'll be doing a little side work there, pecking away at his phone.
But we're honored and happy to have him back with us for the second half.
Got a lot of audience feedback to get through fam.
New white life.
And of course, we are finally going to tackle probably the most difficult, painful question we've gotten in this show's three and a half year history.
And I will say I channel the radical agenda.
I was a more recent listener later in Chris's performance.
Didn't really learn about Chris until the sort of heady days.
But I like to incorporate.
There's sound effects from Chris.
Good job, buddy.
I was just trying to compliment you and you're like creaking in your chair.
But a little bit of derb, little bit of TDS, a little bit of Cantwell.
I think we all sort of mentally fuse some people when we come up with our own agenda of our own and our own shtick, for lack of a better term.
All right, here we go.
New White Life for this first episode of Full House Anno Domini 2023 to Rust and his lovely wife.
Haven't met his lovely wife, but I'm sure she is.
They welcomed a new son and he writes, I am writing from a big comfy bed at the birthing center to let you guys know that my wife just had baby number two, a beautiful, healthy baby boy.
Rust, you can't say that the beds are comfortable.
You got to complain about how uncomfortable the couch is while wife is lording it over there in the delivery bed.
That is the meme.
We suffer while they are getting treated and pampered and taken care of by medical professionals.
Sorry for joking.
He says, thanks for always giving me the courage to continue the struggle in the face of oppression and adversity.
There is a lot to be optimistic about in the new year.
Hell yeah, brother.
He says, hail victory.
And he also sent one of the best photos we've ever gotten of his little guy, brand new, already looks like a bruiser.
Sometimes these babies look like they're tough and they're like ready to go to the gym in the arms of his precious big sister.
So thank you, buddy, for sharing that.
So tempted to post it, but of course, I would never do that.
Just shared it with Sam and Rolo.
And again, Godspeed or God bless your wife, too.
We got an email from Octoroon Ameriquaner.
Very clever there, Octoroon Ameriquaner.
And he says, hey, man, here's a white pill.
My nephew was born today at 445, coming in at eight pounds, two ounces.
I would say, oh, way to go.
You're an uncle or a niece or whatever.
That doesn't really count.
But he goes on.
He says, I'm now an uncle, but I'm also getting married in the spring.
All right.
There you go, buddy.
Happy New Year.
And I hope that Full House is going strong.
Thank you, brother.
Good luck with the wedding.
Remember, the best piece of advice I ever got before a wedding is drink less than you usually do and make sure that she drinks more than she usually does.
I don't know.
I don't know if that's actually good advice, but we're going with it.
Anyway, and then Sam will remember this name, Mjolnigger, wrote in from the old fatherland days.
We got a lot of nice feedback about the Fatherland show here at gym.
Still think that might be the best name in the business.
Hello, coach in the gang, Mulnigger here.
Hey, don't get angry.
He chose his sock name.
Just saying what he calls himself.
He still has a bit of the tism.
He still has a bit of the tism.
It comes through here.
Mjolniger here.
You may remember me.
I'm writing this on Christmas Eve.
I have been tardy on my correspondence and wanted to give you guys some late, but good news.
My beautiful child, a girl, was born 16 months ago.
She's smart, funny, and the light of our lives.
Fatherhood has been quite the experience, and I feel a pride and meaning to my existence I never imagined.
What's better than that?
That's an actual question.
It's not rhetorical.
And he says, our baby boy is due early in 2023.
My God, he's really hot and now way to go, but he's all grown up.
When this guy wrote into the fatherland, you remember Sam, it was like, oh, he sounded like he had major issues and with women.
And he just sounded a little young and over-eager.
And look at him now.
That could be you too, fam, out there, single, single guys.
Hey, Cantwell.
If Muelnigger can do it, you can do it too.
It's never too late.
Sorry.
I don't have as cool a name as him, but, you know.
Did you ever do the anonymous pseudonymous thing, Chris, on the internet?
Or were you just, you were blazing Chris Cantwell from the get-go?
I entered politics as a congressional candidate.
It was never an option.
Sure.
No, God bless you.
Yeah, you're sort of out there from conception.
Muelleneger says, my God, I am happier than a niglet drinking their first purple drag.
Terrible.
You guys clean it up there.
When I heard Jim's voice on episode 148, it brought me back to 2016 when the fatherland got me thinking about having kids.
I got choked up hearing him, and I'm glad he's doing well.
Love you guys.
Coach Sam Smasher, already missing you, buddy.
He says, Merry Christmas.
And I'm going to go read The Night Before Christmas to my daughter now.
Good night.
Yeah.
God bless you.
Good stuff.
All right.
We're going to keep going here, fam.
I discussed with the Braintrust here as to whether reading these things is boring or tedious or whether it is a nice delight after a serious interview at the top.
And the consensus was just do it.
So here we go.
Hey, Full House gang.
After listening to the wonderful Christmas show, I just had to throw you some shekels.
What a great cozy show to listen to for Christmas.
It was like deja vu on steroids to hear the old fatherland theme and Jim's voice.
Jim still does have that golden voice.
I said to Rolo, I said, why does he sound so deep and bassy compared to me?
And he's like, because he actually gets up on the microphone, coach.
Anyway, I was a fatherland listener for almost the entire run of the show.
Sam is the best.
His sage old wisdom really should be written down for posterity.
Even though I heard his family's rendition of Oh Holy Night last year, when I heard it this year, it was so beautiful, it brought a tear to my eye again.
And he's not the only one, Sam.
A couple guys said that they got choked up listening to it, and I did too.
All sincerity.
Wonderful.
His story about the father in church with the terribly retarded child, who Sam then saw the next week with his wife and five beautiful, healthy, and younger children, was like a sledgehammer to my soul.
I literally had to stop the work I was doing and compose myself with a virtual slap to my face and remind myself of how lucky I really am.
If there were one man who could cause this lapsed Catholic to return to the church, it would be Sam.
As for Rolo, as for Rolo, dot, dot, dot, he's a fine young man and a credit to his generation.
And I would be proud if he were my son.
And then in parentheses, he wrote, Coach, don't give him too much shit.
See, I told Rollo, people are actually concerned about him.
Listen to the man, coach.
All right.
Joe, hey, he supported us this week.
Joe, you got it.
Rolo, you're the greatest thing since Atlantis.
And then, of course, he had to stroke the host.
He had to stroke the host here to get his email read.
Coach Jim of Infra Stacey, you sometimes get very blackpilled.
That is about very, but blackpilled for sure.
I remember you even having admitted once on the show that you are not certain of our victory.
I often feel the same, but Full House always seems to re-white pill me.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, hell victory.
And that was from Joe B. Thank you, Joe B. Very lovely note.
Good reminder of why we do this.
Chris.
Absolutely.
Back in the day, would you ever just, you know, bask in the glory of kind notes that you got?
Or were you too cool for that?
Only like let the crazies on the show.
I was not in a habit of reading them on the air, but I've always relished privately positive audience feedback, certainly.
There you go.
Drop Chris a line if you appreciate what he's done.
I don't know why.
I just like when I get home, I'm like, oh, that belongs on the air.
Go ahead, Sam.
Well, you know what?
It goes beyond just saying there's people who enjoy this show.
Those letters each had something to add to our conversation.
You know what I'm saying?
And I just think about over these last few weeks with Christmas time and New Year's and just being having extra time around our guys because all our local guys got together and a few different things.
And even Coach and his family joined in the fun.
And, you know, our guys pump me up.
You know, I learn from our guys.
They make me laugh.
I mean, just in our local group, I'm quite sure there's more than a couple of these people that are brilliant people, you know, and I try to give something myself too.
And others people seem to get something out of some of the things I bring up.
And so, and that's where this thing where people say like, oh, how could you be blackpilled?
Because yeah, on paper, yeah, it looks like everything's against us, right?
But when you interact, we interact with each other, the quality of people that we have on our side is just nothing like the enemy has.
You know, we have great people on our side.
And, you know, I get pumped up when I talk to our guys.
What else could I say?
That's right, Sam.
And you're to the to the quality of, you know, our guys versus all the other guys.
What I love about our guys is they all know what gender they are.
And I couldn't imagine.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Imagine if you don't have that basic thing figured out.
Yeah.
It's the economy, stupid, keep it simple, stupid, all that stuff.
And to your point, Sam, too.
We, my wife and I brought a friend, we'll just say, who is not familiar with our schools.
He had some apprehensions to a quote-unquote Nazi party.
And then at the end of it, he was like, are you guys so like kind of each other?
Well, Coach, you're breaking up a little bit right there.
So I'll just talk for a minute.
Yeah, that was a nice moment because we'll get that when we get some new people, especially people who don't even know too much what the whole thing is about.
They're always taken by the warmth that we have for one another, which is genuine.
Yeah.
And Sam, to your point, too, about sometimes I put myself in the shoes of the listener who's not totally initiated to our cause or maybe hasn't been up to parties or meetups.
And I think, oh, he's maybe they think he's just blowing smoke.
But of course, we had the delightful treat of going out to hang out with you and Nate.
And we actually brought along a friend who was not totally initiated in our circles and after had some apprehension about joining us.
We said, it'll be fine.
Don't worry about it.
It's all good people.
We're not going to be slamming each other in the pit or doing any esoteric stuff.
And at the end of it, he said, he said, are you guys always so nice and kind and cheerful around each other?
I said, of course.
What parties do you go to?
Yeah, the dichotomy of it all.
For a new person coming in, that particular party was definitely skinhead heavy compared to maybe the party on the other side of town, which had a little bit different mix of people.
But yeah, I know the feeling like the person comes in and, you know, seeing a room full of black bomber wearing skinheads is no doubt a little bit threatening feeling.
But then the dichotomy of it is the goofiness and the laughs and the and the music and the and the having some drinks and all that.
And it's it definitely pumps me up.
The normal conversations too.
Yeah.
And I wanted to, you know, in that spirit, obviously it was great hanging out.
We got to see Sam's crib and we got to see the lemon tree.
And, you know, we had met your family, of course.
We got to meet your mother-in-law for the first time, or at least I did.
But that was awesome.
And now I didn't see the Advent wreath, but what else?
Oh, the Berkey.
Yeah.
Well, we had put that away already.
Yeah.
We put that away out of season.
But, you know, we had that long road trip out there.
And I have to say, it was pretty good.
And this ties in with what a listener just recommended because we got the replacement minivan.
I'll admit the DVD player was going for a good portion of the trip.
It was something like 12 hours.
And the kids were great.
They didn't ask for any pit stops before I had to.
I'm a copious liquid consumer when driving coffee, water, energy drinks, whatever.
I just, I have to be doing it while driving.
It's a little bit of a compulsion.
But they were awesome.
Wifey even like popped to the back of the minivan to hang out with the kids and stuff.
I did the whole drive.
It was awesome and made me very excited.
We were talking with Chris on the break about the hassles.
He got hassled when he was flying, I guess, from Ohio up to New England.
And of course, my disappointment at not being cool enough to get hassled at the airport.
But road trips are great.
And when your kids are old enough, and that's the other thing my wife said was we didn't have to worry about any diaper blowouts.
Even our youngest knows how to buckle his seatbelt now.
We listened to an audio book for a good portion of it.
It was Endurance about Shackleton's.
I always say Shackleford for Rusty Shackleford, but Shackleton's journey to Antarctica, where I won't give any spoilers, but it's an amazing story from 1914, 1916 around them when they tried to cross Antarctica with dogs and sleds and they ended up getting trapped in ice and the ice crushed their ship and they had to go on surviving for months in the Antarctic winter.
Regardless, listener wrote in to say, the family and I live in a mostly white enclave outside of a major metropolitan shithole in the Northeast.
We decided to take the family to a non-skiing vacation hotspot just west of the Mississippi over Christmas.
And I was delighted to see, get this, that everywhere we went, just west of the Mississippi, go figure.
The city was packed with beautiful, full, young white families.
We went to an amusement park, got there early and experienced a phenomenon unique to the white race.
As the hundreds were lining up to get in, we were practically first.
Nobody squeezed to the front.
Everyone gave a lot of space to the people in front of them.
We could have had a picnic there.
There was so much space around us, despite the line stretching back as far as I could see.
I've never experienced anything like that.
And if this is what America is like between New York and LA and Houston and Minnesota, I think we're going to make it.
And he said, P.S. For every 10 black or mulatto children, they were few and far between, there was one black parent present.
PPS traveling is the best way to race pill your children.
Real world experience is the best teacher.
And that was from Bryce.
Thank you, Bryce.
Very true.
Boy, ain't that the truth?
Yeah.
And a good reminder.
We were also talking, you know, I've spoken on the show many times.
And it was in a chat earlier where I said, I have to admit that since getting out of Washington, D.C. and Northern Virginia, the fires are not always burning 24-7 at high intensity.
They've receded.
Now, I could see the listener saying, well, that's not good.
You don't want, that's part of the problem, right?
People who live in white enclaves say, oh, everything's fine locally.
What's the big deal?
What are you guys worked up about?
And seeing homeless encampments right across from major buildings in your capital city and seeing the invasion.
And of course, all of the terrible stuff that goes with cities will really radicalize you faster when you live in the country and everybody's white.
And that's a little bit of slower pace, you know, a little less fire under your belly.
Chris is like, what are you talking about?
I got plenty of degeneracy up here in New England.
It keeps me going, but it's not a hellscape either.
But it's a good reminder from this listener that, holy cow, it's not all terrible.
This guy found, I don't, I have no idea.
I could make a guess.
I guess was he in St. Louis?
St. Louis is on the West Bank.
Yeah.
East St. Louis is on the East.
Who knows?
But good for Bryce and his family for having.
Well, yeah.
You know, you can't be so blackpilled that you're hopeless.
You know, you have to see that the good does exist somewhere.
Yep.
Go skiing.
These two months coming that we're in right now, January and February, are always, whether it's seasonal affective disorder or just the nasty weather or the short daytime without a lot of things to do, they always suck.
Get out there and try to go skiing.
If it's remotely close with your family, that was such a joy last year for us and teaching Junior how to ski.
I think we talked about it that we're going to do it again this winter.
And yeah, you know, it's in our blood to make the best of winter, even if you just go into hibernation and gain a little bit of weight and have a couple romps with the old lady by a fireside.
I don't know.
Yeah, why not?
Yeah, Sam, got a serious question from the audience.
I'm really going through all of our lovely best audience in the business, as I always say.
And Chris is probably like, well, after what I've been through with Radical Agenda, you might be right.
No offense.
Prussian Blue, always a regular listener asks, and this one's for you, Sam.
Serious question about Sam's story about that family with five kids and the first one was retarded.
Should parents, should parents, I'll paraphrase, you know, this is in the ideal society in Sam's society.
Should parents be allowed to euthanize their children if they have defects like Down syndrome or worse?
Should that be an option, at least, Sam?
No.
Because you believe that, you know, sort of consistent with that story that they are all a gift from God, even if they come.
Even severe, severe handicap, Sam.
You don't think that ones that would really drag down the parents and the race in theory.
We got to bring it together.
I mean, you're, you know, whatever can happen has already happened.
People get through those things.
Those children find their place in the family.
The other children often end up being very loving to those family, to those children in the family.
I think this is all just like part of life and people make it through that.
And I've seen other situations too that were seem kind of tough, but you know what?
Those families that I observed are together in a way that even my family isn't as together as those families.
So, you know what I mean?
Like you take take somebody with two very well-to-do parents with their two or three or maybe even four if they're really brave, you know, children that are all so-called healthy and everything.
And then they all grow up and they're paused and they have other problems.
And you know what I mean?
I think that this is just all part of life.
And, you know, we're not better for not accepting the hand that life has given us.
That is a very principled and noble take.
Yeah, Chris, I want to get you on Roe v. Wade and Chris's society, abortion, euthanasia.
You know, you asked me at the beginning of the thing about religion, and I don't have one, but I was, I, I, it was the strangest experience in the world that when I found out that old Wilby Wade had been overturned, that like I felt this like compulsion to drop to my knees and pray.
I was so happy about it.
We have had abortion imposed upon us by this court for 50 years.
It has not served to better the race in the slightest.
It has been a complete nightmare and it has loosed the moral depravity upon our population that I think is so sick and terrible.
And the idea that abortion being bad enough, but the idea that like, okay, we're going to start euthanizing our children, even the eugenic effects of that would not begin to counter the depravity that that would impose upon the population, the moral decay that that would bring to the people who were doing it.
You know, and what we have to do to encourage that culturally, it'd just be terrible.
Look at like the Amish and all the conveniences they do without.
And those people are very happy and family-centered.
You know, and it's there's something about, you know, like they say that it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to inherit the kingdom, you know, because when you have things very easy and convenient for you, you don't become this more virtuous person.
It's the hardships that come along normally in life that help you to be a virtuous person.
And in America, we have all these ways of insulating us and entertaining ourselves to death and eating ourselves to death.
And, you know, whereas maybe at a different time or even in a different country, sort of the limits and strictures of life mean that, you know, we all have to come together around the dinner table and eat.
And we eat what we have and we're thankful for what we have because we don't always have enough and things like that.
You know, and this is just one more of those things.
If we get rid of all the people that have something wrong with them, we're not going to be better or happier for that.
We absolutely rejoiced when Roe v. Wade was overturned.
We rejected the temptation to get big-brained and called it some sort of plot by the Supreme Court to really have a boom in black births and that whites were still going to go get abortions.
I'm not as high-minded as Chris Cantwell and Sam when it comes to severe birth defects.
I would probably allow families depending.
We did a whole show on it and JO made the good point that a lot of time Down syndrome children are wonders and delightful members of the family.
I look at the virtually completely disabled to the point of not being able to walk or talk.
I would certainly, in my world, I would give the parents the ability to terminate that at whatever point it made sense that it wasn't ghoulish, you know, early on if it was confirmed.
But that's me.
Rolo, uh, are you doctors?
Are always wrong, too.
They always say, Oh, this child's gonna have this wrong with them.
Oh, they'll never make it.
You may as well.
And then they're, you know, that's why they call it the practice.
They're just practicing medicine.
Rolo, are you a big softy on the baby question?
You're letting them all come out no matter what shape they're going to be in.
Uh, yeah, I'm uh vehemently anti-abortion.
All right.
And those things are rare too, anyways.
You know, I mean, yeah.
Well, yeah, and that's what a lot of these retards do.
They'll, they'll, they use these like 0.01% scenarios to justify murdering a baby.
Because the thing is, like, oh, what, what if the baby had a defect?
Well, those aren't the babies getting aborted.
That's that's the reality is the babies getting aborted are healthy white babies that would grow up to not be another black or Mexican or Pajit in your neighborhood.
Yeah, those are the ones getting aborted.
A woman, a woman with her affluent husband isn't going to the doctor, and unfortunately, your baby is Down syndrome and has one finger and no small intestines.
Okay, that's sad.
We'll abort.
That's not how it is.
It's, oh, by the way, you were irresponsible because you are in a polyamoryous pansexual demi-kink relationship and you're pregnant.
Oh, okay.
I'll just abort it.
No problem.
And then, oh, I'm 32.
Oh, I've had three abortions and now I'm sterile.
Oh, well, that's the reality because medical science has even made it where they've have found like things that cause problems and corrected that, or women take certain supplements now to guard against certain conditions and things.
So I think that, you know, we've improved even in that.
So if you want to improve things, I guess you work on people's health and work on prenatal care with the mother and those types of things.
And abortion being legal gives people the excuse to be less responsible and it sets the standard that, oh, you can just kill a baby.
And it's no big deal.
It's legal.
So clearly, it's not immoral.
Right.
That sanction of it has been, you know, terrible.
I mean, to Coach's point, I'm of the mindset that the more we can reduce this horror, the better off we are.
And I, and I think it would go so far if we even said, okay, you can have one, but you're going to have to give a reason for it.
And the birth defect is one of the reasons.
Now, I would prefer that we stop this practice altogether, but anything that makes people think about it, this is why they don't.
The Democrats always go crazy if you say that you want to have like a, you have to have an ultrasound first, right?
Because the mother, she sees the baby inside of her and she's like, well, wait a second, I'm not doing that.
You know, anything to make people think about it, I think is good.
And, you know, to what extent do we stop this practice altogether is another question.
You know, there's guys in our circles who think that this is something that's keeping certain populations in check.
And I don't think there's really any evidence for that because, you know, some people will go and have five abortions and then go have five kids.
You know, white women, they don't do that.
They go there.
They do it.
They feel bad.
They go on birth control and then they die surrounded by garbage and cats.
And so, you know, I don't think that this is helping us in the slightest.
And it's a, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a cultural moral stain that's, that's really just wrought havoc on us.
Not too long ago, I knew a black woman in a previous life who, real quick, Rolo, who admitted to using abortion as birth control.
And like you said, Chris, she had abortions approaching double digits and still had a big brood.
Now, somebody would say, well, imagine what it would be without that.
But she knew she had that backup option and used it just to yank the cord if she didn't want that one.
Absolutely ghastly, no matter what your race is.
Go ahead, buddy.
Sorry.
I went out with a girl not too long ago that had two abortions by the time she was 18.
And she was just hoping that she would be able to have a child in the future because of the damage done to her by the abortion that the doctor said to her.
Absolutely.
I knew a woman very well who was afraid she could never have kids because she had an early abortion.
Black people kill each other.
That's just a thing they do.
Whites don't do that.
So abortion does not regulate their population.
If you think that, you are like, you must have like brain damage to honestly believe that.
It was not just that.
Like there's something wrong with your head if you think that a population that is just like the default is violence to whoever's near them and they are nearest them where white people aren't doing that.
Where is your head to think that?
Well, some and some people will try to excuse and say, well, so-and-so, they just don't know any better.
I don't accept that type of thing because being stupid is not an excuse for anything.
You know, you're an adult.
You're supposed to know things.
This one, one guy, and he was black.
He was saying that he wanted the girlfriend to have the abortion because he couldn't afford it and all that.
And he wanted to get RIMS on his vehicle.
Well, you know what?
To get RIMS on your vehicle means you like, I don't know about RIMS.
I wouldn't know like even how much are they or what kind of the good ones to have or like you have to go and find out about RIMS, right?
And the same thing with babies.
Like, okay, so there's a baby now.
There's a pregnancy.
Okay.
So I have to go find out about that.
Oh, wow.
It's alive.
This and that.
You have to find out things just like you would have to find out about RIMS.
You have to find out about babies saying, oh, I didn't know or I didn't know any better or anything like that.
No, that's not an excuse.
You're supposed to find things out.
That's just because you're callous and careless and selfish.
Yep.
Wifey put on a show about fatherhood today.
I don't know if it was on Netflix or Amazon, but it was basically Ron Howard and I think his daughter doing a documentary about fatherhood in these current days with all, you know, there were black fathers, white fathers, liberal fathers.
I don't know if there were any conservative ones, a lot of famous ones.
It was mostly charming.
The only part of it that really creeped me out was Neil Patrick Harris and his adopting.
Yeah, that really made my skin crawl the idea of two fans adopting or fostering or not fostering, you know, borrowing a womb somewhere for that science.
And one more thing.
We did, of course, talk about Roe v. Wade back in the day, but the possibilities of it increasing the sort of voluntary segregation of our population into redder, whiter, more Christian, more principled people, and then let the blue, oh, you really want to be able to have an abortion in the state that you live in?
Well, maybe the state isn't for you.
Actually what's his name?
No, White Guilt made that point uh, maybe on the show or in a previous one.
I know he's not really favored by most of our guys anymore, but it's a good one.
Just those little things and I did want to ask Chris too about the Supreme Court, and of course affirmative action in theory is on the chopping block and other good things may come from this six three majority that we got as a result of voting Republican and getting Trump in there.
Uh, are you sincerely enthusiastic about the Supreme Court's ability to make things easier for us?
I still personally have a hang up about getting hopes up about anything in the American political system, but sometimes you just don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Well, I mean, it's one of these things that, you know, how much effort do you want to put into a given thing, right?
Showing up to vote on election day is borderline free, right?
I mean, at this point, you don't even have to show up.
I mean, dead people are doing it.
So, I mean, you know, voting is not expensive.
So, you know, and as far as voting goes, I mean, are you going to vote Democrat seriously?
I mean, if you, whatever your problems with the Republican Party, I can't imagine that anybody in our thing is like, you know, the Democrats have probably helped this out, except if they're an accelerationist and they're just like this crash car, you know.
Oh, I can imagine people in our thing thinking that.
But it's accelerationism.
That's what you're getting at, right?
No.
Those people think the Democrats are going to improve the victory.
Richard Spencer.
You know, I'll tell you what, you know, during that trial, I was firm about I'm not going to throw nobody under the bus, but it occurred to me that if I did, I could distance myself from Richard Spencer by being like, didn't you endorse Joe Biden?
You know, that would seem like a good way to throw somebody under the bus in my perspective these days is to be like, aren't you a Democrat?
You know, so threw himself under the bus, yeah, voluntarily, some sort of canny plan of his to that government.
And so I think that as far as the voting thing goes, I mean, if you can get, I mean, like I said, the Roe v. Wade thing for me was so huge that I dropped to my knees over it.
And it was this, I had this like, it was like, and I, and I, let me, I'll tell you the story about it that like I felt this like urge to pray, but I'm like, well, I don't believe in God.
So praying would be like fake.
And then that would piss God off.
And then I need to ask forgiveness.
It was like this process that went through my head.
Okay.
And it was a really awkward moment.
But that's how seriously that I took that decision when it came down.
It was like, it was a borderline religious experience for me.
And so that we got that.
And all we had to do is put up with Donald Trump for four years.
I mean, that's a big deal, you know?
And so, I mean, if do I want more than that?
Yeah.
And are we going to get screwed by the Supreme Court?
Yeah.
But anything that you, you know, you can get something that's that big, I think it speaks volumes to the worth of having some involvement with the political system.
I mean, it's if we don't, if we don't decide who's on that court, then somebody else is.
And they're going to, they're going to put people in there who make transgenderism compulsory for Christ's sake.
I mean, we don't, we don't want these things.
And so I think that when we look at the system and we say that it's corrupt and we try to distance ourselves from it, like, no, it's the exact opposite of the instinct that we should have.
That was the instinct that I had with the libertarians, right?
The government is evil.
We shouldn't be involved, right?
And it was the alt-right that convinced me: no, you have an obligation.
You're a citizen of the country.
Participate in the politics, get involved in the government.
And the more you dislike the government, the more you should be involved with it so that you can change it in the direction that you want to change.
And so, yeah, I think that when we see these victories, let's celebrate them.
When we see these non-victories, when we see these failures, let's work to correct them.
And I don't think it's going to, we're not going to reach utopia in our lifetimes, you know.
But things have drifted so far in the other direction over the years that like it's not something that's you know, it's not something that's going to happen overnight, so let's do whatever we can that's my part are accelerationists, and worse is better.
No political solution.
Guys actually moving to like San Francisco or New York City?
I don't think so.
I think they want to live in the Ozarks or Appalachia, or maybe the upper Pacific Northwest, the Mountain Northwest.
Uh, because we are all human, we all still have to eke out happiness and some semblance of safety and sanity in these lives.
And do you want to live in a diversity?
You know the guys who defend the big cities.
Do you want to live in a dangerous, diverse city during your precious hours on this earth?
Or do you want to live in beautiful countryside, in a state that does not have absolutely insane gun laws, abortion laws, tranny in the schools?
No, you want to live in a white red, rural place, in so much as you can, to eke out some happiness and contribute to at least postponing I. What are they?
How are they going to?
They want to break every place in this country, of course to Zog's heel wheel will, and how they do that now is mostly through uh, appointing Jewish attorney generals and uh, incentivizing mass non-white immigration everywhere in the country, flying them around, getting them through the border.
Biden's new restrictive border plan is to only allow 30 000 in per month if they apply through a little website and stay in Honduras and Nicaragua and El Salvador, and then they can come in legally, which is really another administrative uh amnesty through the back door.
Uh, it's absolutely incredible.
So right, you know look, I think accelerationism is tempting um, because it it it's fun for one, you know, you get to you, but you don't have to exercise any restraint over what you're doing.
Right, you don't, you don't have to um, you can just be careless.
Right, and I don't think that a lot of people are going out of their way to try to make their own lives more difficult.
Maybe some people are, you know, hopelessly attached to the cities or whatever, but they're not going out of their way to to make their lives more miserable.
Generally speaking, and the idea that, like you're just going to collapse the system, like you know, that's something that will happen without your input.
If you're going to try to put in some effort to something you know, try to become the system.
You know, the goals that we want to accomplish can only be accomplished with political power, and the idea that you're just going to collapse the system and then, you know, you're going to step in and straighten it all out is I, I think um I, I think is uh, naive Naive at best.
Yep.
And I can see the other side, guys saying, oh, that's a half measure or that's cucking or that's not going to work.
Okay.
You, you may be right, but it may also be that this country is not ripe for a mass white nationalist national socialist movement.
And you have to go more local.
It's where you get more bang from your buck.
It's where you're interacting with people who are actually close and live near you and have actual power.
And the whole, you know, kumbaya, think globally, act locally thing comes to mind.
And I wanted to give Gordon Call of American or some props here.
He did write in.
He sent us a kind note.
He says, hey, guys, should have done this a long time ago, sub for the next 12 months.
I didn't know that we had a subscription service, but we do now.
Thanks to Gordon, I guess he made it a recurring one.
He says, I've been going through a rough time and figured giving something to someone else would help.
Bless you, Gordon.
He says, your show is one of the best on the network.
That's the AmeriConnor.org network.
And I'm really honored that you guys agreed to being syndicated on the site.
And I'll say a prayer for all of you.
And I hope your success only increases.
So that's from Gordon Call.
We are syndicated on AmeriConnor.
He recently had Pete Cañones.
I don't know why it's so hard to say Pete Cañones.
It's not that hard, Gordon.
Just get your act together.
But Pete is a big localism advocate.
And again, you know, I'm torn, but you're more likely to have an impact locally than you are.
I used to think being a shitlord on Twitter and going to Charlottesville was going to change the world.
And it did to a certain extent too.
But I certainly overlooked, you know, I was an HOA president in my community and the first bad news article came out and they were like, you must go.
So it depends on where you live too.
You live in a lefty or a white striver area.
Yeah, they're going to chuck you out at the first sign of trouble.
You live in a white rural or a white working class area, maybe not so much.
You have to know where you are or where you're going.
Let's see.
One more from a listener here, and then maybe we'll tee up the toughest question in our show's history.
Fellas, I wanted to reach out.
And here's the other thing.
I'm not doing this to blow smoke up our own butts.
I want to give good people who take the time to write in some airtime because I know that they want it deep in their hearts.
They like hearing their words on the air.
And two, it's to encourage the others.
One of the things that we do on here, despite my temptations to gloom and doom, is to give a little bit of virtuous, honest, uplift and up whatever.
Good bon ho me.
So anyway, he says, I wanted to reach out and express my gratitude for making such a great show.
I was recently told about it from one of my buddies and I gave it a try.
Since my first listen, I can't get enough.
It's a breath of fresh air to have a long form show that's race aware and pushes back on all the anti-white bullshit and propaganda that is forced down our throats day in and day out.
My buddy recommended it after I was going through a nasty breakup and getting blackpilled.
I'm not one to spill my guts over email, but I'll share a little to explain why I reached out.
I was with a girl I wanted to start a family with, but as I kept pushing for it, I started to realize just how different we were.
I was overlooking some glaring differences in our beliefs with the hope that I could bring her around eventually.
But the end of the day, we didn't agree on some of the things I hold extremely important.
Not only that I wanted a family, but willfully ignoring some of the blatant attacks on us as white people.
I had given up hope at finding someone that I'd want to start a family with until recently.
Your show has given me a glimmer of hope that there are good white women out there and I need to get back on the hunt.
Exclamation mark.
No luck yet, but just giving me the hope that good white women are out there has helped.
Hearing some of the stories you all share on the show make me realize that there are good ones and the struggle is worth it.
Thanks again.
Can't wait to hear what's next.
And that's from Andy.
God bless Andy.
Good luck.
Yeah.
It's really good.
Yeah.
They are out there.
The women are out there.
Go get them.
Yeah.
We got, we got to get Andy and Rolo out of the bar together, wingmates.
Rolo, any news from the dating front?
Anything you can or want to share?
Andy needs some more uplifting words.
Just lie if you have to.
No, don't do that.
Well, Andy, your problem is you don't exercise and you just watch porn.
All right.
Yes.
We know Rolo is still sore over our dating special.
That's okay.
I get it.
Thank you.
Our chat advocate was not for everybody.
Go ahead, Sam.
No, just go.
It's repetition.
That's all it is, is you're going to go through a thousand before you find one that's good because women have been damaged by Jews.
They took our women from us, and that's how they weakened us as a society.
They made women crazy, and then men didn't have women, so they had no purpose.
So they turned into a bunch of weirdos.
Yep, by design.
Go ahead, Sam, and then I got a question for Chris.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I just wanted to squeeze this in, especially before you go into that longer letter.
somebody sent me this very nice blu-ray uh dvd of uh europa the last battle and uh you had goy george yeah Yeah.
Yeah.
That was very, very nice.
I had to go out and buy a Blu-ray player, of course.
So I went out and got a Blu-ray player.
But a good side effect was this Blu-ray player plays CDs very well.
I mean, they sound really good.
I don't know if that's just me trying to imagine that it's better, but the CDs actually sound better on this particular player I got.
Take that for what it's worth.
And it plays regular DVDs.
I have a lot of regular DVDs and a lot of CDs.
And now I have one Blu-ray DVD.
So more to come.
Yeah, a lot of guys can play.
No, I can't play Wellington Arms because I don't have a CD player.
Ah, but you have a Blu-ray player and come out of those CD speakers that are increasingly good.
Chris, I wanted to ask, I never probe too much.
You can answer as you're comfortable.
Did you ever, you're a prominent guy.
I have no doubt that women have come your way as a result of your notoriety or your fame.
Did you ever get close to popping the question to one or was it kind of a libertarian train wreck for a lot of years?
And then the alt-right.
What do you call in terms of like a woman who approached me from the movement or have I ever gotten close to marrying generally?
Close to marrying generally was more what I was getting at.
Both.
And my love life is terribly tragic.
All right.
I won't probe.
So you did.
It won't be good.
Yep.
No, fair enough.
Well, lessons learned.
You're older and wiser now.
The other side of it, as far as, you know, if you're trying to date and you're wondering how to really make it work, you know, and looking at yourself too, like when you want something really bad, you know, that's, that's part of getting it, right?
Is because it's, it's on your mind heavily or you insatiable desire, you know, for like I always say, there's nothing better than the soft flesh of a woman, you know?
If, if, you know, and so, and so you look at yourself, you know, is there anything getting in the way of, you know, any hang-ups, any anxieties that I'm having that are interfering with my natural drive to go get a woman?
That's something to think about too, for sure.
And, you know, I'm, I've had lots of time to think about that and entirely too well aware of my own shortcomings, which I, which I. which I work constantly to overcome.
In the past, in these times when I have come close to marrying, I have come close to that with women who are as damaged as I.
And it didn't turn out very well.
But that's probably for the best because if it had, then, you know, I'd be married and with kids with them and stuff like that.
And that is, that would be all the more tragic than the situation that I'm not describing here.
Well, for instance, you know, Rush Limbaugh famously had been married four times, you know, and he was really married to his show.
And so he couldn't really be a proper husband.
You see what I'm saying?
How maybe there could be, maybe there's something in a person's life that might be interfering with their natural drive to be a husband.
Fame and wealth, too, are very hazardous to healthy marriages.
And it could be a lot of things.
Somebody could have just worried about their job all the time or some, you know what I'm saying?
Look at yourself.
See, is there something that's interfering?
Because I can remember when I was single, man, I wanted a woman and I was going to get a woman.
You know, I was like, there was no chance I wasn't going to get a woman.
So there's such a strong drive, but maybe somebody has something that's interfering.
Yeah.
And Chris is not an old man.
Chris, are you still in your 30s?
Sorry, I couldn't hear it.
Say again, you were not off.
You're 42.
All right.
Yeah.
Well, I'm 41.
So you're still a young man.
All right.
It's time for you, man.
It's time for you, Chris.
It is time.
It is overdue.
It's overdue.
Rush Limbaugh once in the Bahamas of all things.
Bahamas at Atlantis and we were having dinner.
It was sort of a tourism junket that my wife and I were on.
And I look over at the table.
I'm like, holy shit, that's Rush Limbaugh.
And I wasn't like a huge fan at the time, but I respected the man just for all the attacks that he had endured.
So I went over it.
I just want to interrupt.
I don't want to interrupt your dinner.
Just thank you for what you do.
Shook his hand.
He was very gracious.
I don't know if he had his hearing aid in or he could understand me.
But it came to the hazards.
He had, I don't know if it was his biological son or a stepson, but there was somebody at that table who I then ran into in the bathroom.
And he looked like he was not at all a healthy or normal person.
And it made me think, huh, I wonder if daddy's no kids.
He has no kids.
Yeah, some extended family member.
Somebody was there or something.
Yeah, he was kind of creepy.
But anyway, Rush was a true gentleman.
Well, he moved the overtin window.
I know he's not our guy, but just like Trump in the same way, he moved that overtin window to the right and made conversations possible that would not otherwise be possible.
So we can thank him in that way.
Exactly.
You know, I never was a regular Rush Limbaugh listener before I went to before this stint.
And I started listening to him.
I found out that he was on the radio in the county jail where I was pre-trial.
And I became a regular Rush Limbaugh listener basically from the time he announced his cancer up until the day that he died.
And I listen to that show every day and I was so into it and learning about the history of talk radio and the central role that he played in that, trying to imagine this country if Rush Limbaugh hadn't come along and did what he did.
And that influenced my thinking a lot, frankly, that like, you know, there's, there was, I had a certain impulse and a lot of people in this thing do, that like, if you're, if you're not, you know, naming a Jew, you're not doing anything.
Well, that's not true.
That's, you know, Rush Limbaugh is proof that that is not the case.
Now, if Rush Limbaugh was naming the Jew on the air, would things be better?
Probably.
But I suspect that he would not have been quite as successful as a media enterprise had he done that.
And, you know, this country could have gone a lot further before anybody figured it out, you know.
Amen.
Yep.
We would be better off if he was still out there creating content as opposed to whoever filled in with him for him.
You know, nightmare.
I don't know if you've ever listened to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.
Hey, Mark Stein filled in for him.
He's always the original man.
Stein is great.
Mark Stein was funny.
He was very funny.
Mark Stein was the only Rush fill-in host that I could stand after a while.
I couldn't, I'm forgetting their names now, but the guys who were filling in when Rush was sick.
Jewish guys.
Is it Mark Stein?
No?
Okay, then I'm going to go do something else today.
Mark Levin, maybe.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
The other, the other guy, he was like a movie reviewer.
I'll think of it in a minute.
You know who I'm talking about.
Leonard Moulton.
Hey.
Jewish.
He took over.
He took over after Siskel, after Siskel died.
The guy I'm thinking of, this Jewish.
Richard Roper?
No.
He didn't look Jewish.
No.
I think Roper is Jewish.
Rolo is like, this is my territory.
Shut up.
I'll talk about that.
All right.
Let's do it.
Let's do it, gents.
I put this off long enough.
God knows.
I hope that our correspondent is still with us because he was really down.
He wrote a really long story that demands at least a little bit of advice from us, whichever way we decide to go with it.
And I don't know if we've even decided, despite having this for a while.
So here goes.
I'm going to read it quickly and I might edit out some stuff just to make it fly a little bit faster.
He says, yes, I'm sending this on my personal email.
I'm too emotionally broken to try hiding.
My name is blank.
I'm not going to read his name.
It doesn't matter if my name is known.
I followed your show for some time finding the messages to be positive.
It's why I'm reaching out now in the hopes of finding that maybe someone can offer me guidance.
I'll explain the situation that led me to the curtain situation with my partner.
I'm an Englishman.
Yes, that eternal Anglo so loathed in many corners.
I'm in my mid-30s, same as my fiancé.
We've been together for 15 years with a son of 13.
We met via the online video game World of Warcraft with myself moving to be with her, something I never regretted because it got me out of London.
Despite this way of meeting, it may surprise you to know I'm not an overweight neckbeard nor an unwashed buffoon, just a man.
Well, if I'm truly honest with that term now, the relationship with my fiancé was never easy.
She was autistic and lacking in emotional understanding, something that she hid better in the early part of the relationship and which was unfortunately passed on to our son.
We did deal with it as best we could.
It's proven difficult, terribly so.
Suffering from three years of postnatal depression and not really receiving support from either medical services nor her family, I became my son's full-time care, eschewing the role of provider.
This led to a unique bond with my son, one that was once unbreakable.
When my fiancé did finally get through the depression, I asked her how she wanted to proceed with her work, still unable to handle being a full-time mother.
This made the family dynamic awkward, myself feeling inadequate, but dealing with it, her looking to get back into the world.
We're both fairly unsociable in our own way, preferring each other's company.
Her due to her inability to deal with people, me finding little ground with most due to preferring literature and music, and I'm in a foreign country with no real connections.
But I do believe in the importance of family and stress constantly the need to maintain close relations with her family that sometimes cause friction for us.
Our relationship survived despite the issues of her autism and lack of her emotional understanding and my own faults of wanting to try to fill these areas that she struggled with.
I felt alone often, and when I tried to approach it, well, it mostly fell on deaf ears, not out of malice, just out of lack of grasping how to handle it.
Same issue would cause a schism between her and our son, a lack of connection.
She did try.
The issue is she didn't know how, and she would often let him browse the internet on a tablet rather than try to interact with him, something that I tried to stop yet was ignored on.
So this is basically a difficult, he's got a difficult relationship with his wife because she's autistic and a little bit cold.
And then they've got the autistic son that he loves dearly and is caring with, and he's trying to make sense of all this.
Three years ago, sometime after our son's 10th birthday, things took a turn for the worse shortly before Corona and the fiasco that emerged.
My son changed seemingly overnight, going from quiet and reserved to aggressive.
It only got worse.
Psychologists and hypnotherapists were no help, including public services.
The best we received was that it might be ADHD.
We endured this.
Soon after Corona reared its head the two months before lockdowns, I urgently began prepping.
Then the lockdowns came and my son nosedived in behavior.
It quickly escalated, the violence growing as well as new behaviors like a constant need to screech loudly every 15 to 30 seconds, all day, every day.
It took its toll, both me and his mother suffering from nervous breakdowns.
However, during it, I took a risk and sent my fiancé to stay at my mother's for a few days every week, trying to keep her stable with our son simply not capable of functioning in any normal way.
Nothing worked.
Then the shops reopened.
My fiancé returned to her job, something I was glad about, but I remained and continued enduring.
So I'm guessing the son went through puberty and probably the autism got worse.
I realized I was beginning to reach my limit one afternoon when she was off work.
I told her I was going for a walk, unable to cope with the screeching any longer, and I wandered for hours on end until I stood at the railing of a bridge.
Without even realizing, I almost stepped off onto the motorway with my mind blank.
At the last moment, I pulled away in panic with my mind snapping back to reality.
I rang the Samaritans, got no solace.
I told her what happened, shaken to my core.
That's his wife.
She offered some mild support, but it was limited.
I pushed it to the back of my mind and continued on, a grave error on my part.
I believed the depression would go away.
I just needed time.
I could survive.
I had to.
Instead, however, I spiraled and became more needy, wanting to spend more time away from the house when our son was away.
One weekend at her parents, one week at my mother's, moved up our free time.
I just wanted to escape, go to a cafe or one of the big cities.
I was always rebuffed and I felt neglected.
I tried to convey this to her.
It always ended up with no changes.
It also happened to our physical intimacy, at one point having a six-month gap before we even shared a bed.
Changes in me only grew.
I'd sit up until four in the morning every night to have as much free time free of noises and violence as possible, still maintaining my role as a carer, maintaining the house.
But that slack too, I grew distant to my son.
His change had me feeling like I had lost my son, the little boy I once played with, that went to the park with, spent every day with.
I mourned what I had lost as instantly as he became a violent, hostile stranger.
I failed.
I couldn't help the change that happened.
Yeah, boy who replaced him wanted to throw punches while streaming, while screaming.
This all culminated in a desperate need to escape my depression rather than admit it was there or try to handle it.
I did this by working on dioramas, buying useless junk to feel a moment of relief, playing video games, anything to numb the pain, anything to escape the noises and the violence and the loneliness.
Both of us struggled.
The support I gave her was rarely returned.
Again, though, it wasn't malice, but simply she didn't understand.
I've spent the last three years descending further and further into a cloud.
And truthfully, I barely remember much from then, something I still struggle with up to now.
So one of these COVID sufferers where directly or indirectly, the craziness, and especially in a place in Europe that was probably severely broken down and locked down.
Three months ago, I made a terrible mistake.
I began talking to a woman online, someone who shared some interests with me.
In her, I found solace, a fantasy life.
I grew attracted to her.
The most ridiculous thing, it was because she listened to me.
Like if I spoke about music or books, she'd listen and engage.
I didn't tell her I had a fiancé or a child, treating it as just some friendship initially and spinning a yarn about a normal life and a normal job.
I fell in love with the feeling she gave me.
It felt normal.
I'd hide it from my fiancé, using every opportunity to talk to this woman.
I remember all the times I asked my fiancé to come somewhere with me to try to talk to her about how I felt.
And she ignored me and I felt guilt over it as I grew closer to this woman.
They became intertwined.
They never met, didn't even live in the same country.
And then my fiancé found the message, messages two weeks ago.
Needless to say, she left.
She had been paranoid for a while about me messaging on my phone.
I fobbed her off when she was always trying to find out what was going on.
I broke her trust, betrayed her truthfully.
I did.
I make no excuses for my actions.
I still love her even with all the problems.
Her leaving snapped me back into reality as harshly as you can imagine.
I looked around and saw that I had neglected everything.
The house, the situation with my son and her, all around me was ruins.
Basically, he decided I'm going to stop reading there because there's a little bit more, but he decided to try to win her back, to whip the house into shape.
He's still talking to her.
She's hurting, hurting a lot.
And he is sort of back to reality with wifey or fiancé and the very autistic son out of the house staying with her mother, I presume.
And he closes with, what I'm asking for is advice on how to win her back.
I told her I'm going to a therapist.
I apologize so many times for hurting her like I did.
I'm just lost.
I even offered to place her name on the deeds.
I fixed up the house all day, nonstop.
I don't know what else I can do.
I'm so lost right now.
If you can help her advise in any way, I will listen.
And he was very apologetic about going on so long and didn't expect us to answer.
So Sam, you got first billing on this one to set the tone.
We'll go to Chris and Rollo.
Yep.
Well, he's doing the good things, which is trying to make amends, apologizing, admitting he was wrong.
He knows he was wrong.
He's making overtures.
Maybe that will work and maybe it won't.
So you have to try.
But at the end of the day, you have to stop feeling sorry for yourself.
And even when you screw up, even if any of us screws up and maybe in a less severe way than this, but we all make mistakes, small ones or big ones.
When you screw up, you pick yourself up, you dust yourself off.
You're a white man and you got to make a plan and go forward.
And if this woman is not going to go forward with you, well, you've done everything you can.
You keep that up.
You've made it clear to her you want to go on, but life is going to go on.
I can only tell you from my own life from suffering attacks or suffering setbacks and things like that.
You're a white man.
Pick yourself up.
Dust yourself off.
It's not the end of the world.
It happens to a million people every single day.
You can do this.
He did not cardinal sin.
And he was having a flirtatious online relationship during a time of tremendous stress.
Well, now there's two sides to every story.
Wifey would probably have her own tale of woes and stresses and things like that.
But if what he wrote is more or less on the surface accurate, then he should not be beating himself up amidst a tremendously difficult, stressful, painful time in his life.
Right.
Even if you're in the wrong, you can recover from being in the wrong and life is going to go on.
You're going to make a plan.
You're going to do it.
And because keep in mind, the wife, she's another person.
She's another adult with her own prerogatives in this world.
You can't control her.
And that child is going to be 14 and 15 and 18 and 20.
And yeah, he's autistic.
I don't know what kind of life this person is going to live.
Can they even live on their own?
Can that son live on his own?
Who knows?
But you can't control him either.
And I think a lot of the pain in that letter is like, I can't believe this is happening to me or I'm so ashamed that this has happened to me or some variation on that, you know, of just wishing so hard that it wasn't so.
And a lot of bad things in this life happen and you say, that is really bad.
How could that happen to me?
Why?
Trying to wish it away.
And it is bad.
It is bad.
But you know what?
It happens to a lot of people.
So you pick up and you fight.
And you're a white man.
So there's a lot of possibilities.
And this is not any kind of old man or anything like that.
He's got a lot of living to do.
And he can take the situation on and find a way around it.
But you have to get over the sense of shame about it or the woe is me.
This is so terrible.
How could it happen to me?
No, pick yourself up, dust yourself off and fight.
Yep.
And I'm going with bro code just real quick here to buck this guy up completely sincerely and just say, you know, he knows his own self-worth.
He knows he's not ugly.
He knows he's not a nerd.
He knows he's not a fat.
So stand tall.
You weathered more than most men would put up with.
So you deserve a huge bro hug for that.
And you're still, despite everything you've been through, trying to do the right thing.
I have more thoughts on this that I'll share later.
But uh Chris, autistic wife, painfully autistic kid, and they bailed when Dad had a minor online flirtation with another woman.
Well, you know I, I think um, I know we was just mentioning he's not that old.
Do we catch approximately how old the guy is?
Uh 30s uh, I think 30s okay yep yeah, this guy's biggest problem, uh and uh i'll he's he's dealing with the woe is me.
My wife left me thing right now.
But his biggest problem is going to be, I think uh, coping with the guilt about feeling like he got out of something.
You know uh, because he's going to find another woman and it's going to be a better situation.
And at times he's going to be thinking like uh uh, that he got rewarded for this or something like that.
And i'm just going to tell him in advance to get over that too because uh, it was obviously in a terribly impossible situation and um, you know, accept it.
You know, do what you can to try to fix your marriage.
I'm not a big fan of the concept of divorce but uh, if it's, if it's outside of your control at this point, you know you, you are met with the circumstances that you are met with friend, and you are just going to have to um, you're just going to have to move on, and when you do, and when you do, you're going to have a better situation.
And don't uh, don't feel guilty about it because um, you know you made a mistake sure, you know I don't.
You know, I i'm not privy to the content of these messages.
Obviously, I understand why your wife was upset about it but um, you know, if you're not sleeping with the gal, if she runs off with your kid, you know, I think it's okay to be mad at her actually, and so uh, I think uh, you'd be all right.
Yeah, we know couples who have survived actual adultery and gone on to either, you know, have a happy marriage or have more kids.
Forgive and try to forget.
Uh Rollo, I deliberately put you in cleanup here because your uh advice and your wisdom on yeah Rollo, your advice and wisdom on some of these questions is uh, shockingly apt and and high quality.
That's a compliment.
Yes nice you, you always seem to compliment me with the back of your hand.
It's a.
I'm stuck in a shtiff.
What can I say Rollo, go ahead uh give, give our friend some wisdom or some honesty.
Yeah well, i'll say this.
So i'm a big fan of Star Trek and there was the the the, the New Star Trek movie From From Deep Sex no, I like.
I like deep space, I know.
In 2009, Juju Abrams made the new Star Trek movie where Spock was emotionless and cold, except for the scenes when he was constantly screaming and angry.
And this made me think of that, where this woman was essentially emotionless to her fiancé until something that I would consider...
trivial made her extremely emotional, and that is kind of tough for me, because I don't think anything is trivial.
But he was just talking to a woman and someone who was was pretty much kept him at arm's length at at all times, emotionally just went the, the 180, like the one time when this guy, this guy needed this woman to be there for him for years and she didn't do anything.
There was no emotion, and that's his problem is a.
A woman would talk to him and now he needs her to be there for him.
She ignores him and he makes a mistake as a result of her negligence, her emotional negligence.
And her response is like she pedaled to the metal overly emotional.
And then his response is he is feeding into her game, essentially.
Like she messed up.
And then now he has to make it better for her.
So it is a tough position that this guy is in because I think he is a victim on all fronts.
And I think it's tough to be in a relationship with someone Autistic.
As I don't think I said this on the show.
Oh, no, I did say this on the show.
And I mentioned going on a date with a girl and I said she was very much like dark enlightenment.
I said it works for dark enlightenment, but it doesn't work for someone to be romantically linked to.
So it since getting twisted here.
You know how I know Rolo's gay?
He thinks about dark enlightenment when he's out on dates with girls.
Go ahead, buddy.
Come on.
That was good natured bands.
Don't get offended.
All right.
No, I'm just thinking, you know, no, it would be like, you know how I know Rolo's gay.
He was thinking about dark enlightenment and took a girl home.
But the moral of that story that I told was she was like dark enlightenment.
So I was unattracted to her.
Yeah.
Okay.
Very good.
Wow.
Oh, man.
Boomerang.
Rolo, that's a very good point.
I didn't just want to give you more time to think, but I knew you were going to come up with something good there.
Yeah.
She, she did a 180.
She went from cold and emotionless to Asta La Vista Autista, you know, ghosting and all of a sudden up in arms.
Which now puts you on the other foot.
If I found out that my wife was having a flirtatious relationship with another man online, I'd be pretty effing pissed too, right?
But hold on.
But this is, I don't think you could have that or you could put yourself in that position because the circumstances under which this guy did this was she was emotionally and physically neglecting him.
Severely for years.
So your like your knee-jerk reaction is like, if my wife was doing that, but if I were doing that to her.
Yes.
Right.
Like I think, I think if you were in this situation and I'm, and I'm not going to say like, well, you're better than this.
No, you just have a functioning non-autistic brain.
Right.
So I think if you had actually neglected your wife.
I would understand.
Yeah, I think you, you would, you would say, oh, this is my fault.
What have I done?
I, but this is, this is, I'm, I'm on his side.
If, if he decides one day, like, what am I doing?
I, I'm, I'm done with this.
I would, I would sympathize.
I would take his side because he has every right to do what he feels is right because he's trying to clean up a mess that she made that he thinks that he made.
And that was my initial gut reaction when I read this, Rolo.
And this is not my actual advice to him, but this is the first thing that the first thing that came to my mind, call me a cold, callous bastard, is take the W.
This cold, emotionless woman and the very painful autistic son just ghosted and you're still in good shape and in prime marrying age.
And you, who knows, maybe this woman actually is a delightful person on the internet.
Go meet her.
Now, I'm not saying go do that, but the thought that came to my mind first.
Call me Mary.
And I and I'm clear.
I'm not saying that just, you know, kick her to the curb and just leave.
I'm just saying that if that's what he wants to do, I would take his side for it.
Because the thing is sounds, just she.
She messed him up and he's and he's made himself the victim.
But the the thing is you cannot expect women to be fair.
We would like them to be fair, but if you're expecting fairness or equality from women, you're not going to get it.
This he's, it sounds.
If everything is the way he says it is, he has made and is making overtures to her and trying to make amends correct.
At the end of the day, if she's determines to go her own way with that child, you can't stop her.
And you got to whatever tragedy.
I mean, what if they were killed in a car wreck or anything?
I mean, you know, there's all kind of tragedies that could befall you in this life and this is now i'm talking to the audience or to you guys, everybody.
All kind of bad things can happen to you in this life.
You're a white man.
You're going to pick yourself up, you're.
If you want to shed some tears, you do that by yourself.
Get back out there, pick yourself up, dust yourself off and believe that you can do it.
And that's the thing is people.
They stop believing that things can be better, that they can really turn a corner in their life.
It's not true.
It's all up here in your brain.
100 right, sam?
That is not a bullshit locker room.
Try to make this guy feel better speech.
That is the god.
That's the god's honest truth.
You have to.
You have to internalize it.
These things happen in life.
Your best friend dies, your wife dies, or a child dies, or a, or she just leaves you, or you screw up and she leaves you, or whatever it is.
There's all kind of tragedies are going to hit you in this life.
Pick yourself up, make a plan, go forward.
We got your back.
So, to sum up, he's trying his best to win her back.
He's doing the hard work.
He recognizes that he did.
He you know yeah, that's, that's a slip up.
But remember there's also this male psychology and i've experienced it in my life and i've seen plenty of other guys go through it where, even if they're dating a girl for six months or a year or two years when, when she dumps you or if you break up for some reason, it's like, oh, my god uh it's, it's so terrible.
All I can think about is getting her back, getting her back.
And then when you meet somebody new, you're like, oh oh yeah, there is, there is life after whatever her name was.
Absolutely this is better.
And when you're in the depths of That breakup and they weren't.
They were, you know, a terminal engagement that they had, interminable engagement.
I mean, it's multiplied by six million for this guy that he's been with her for so long.
They have a son together.
So it's even magnified, but that is still a real psychological phenomenon where you think it's all over.
It's that or nothing.
And that's not the case.
No.
If what, if what he wrote is factually accurate and he sounded so bummed that I doubt that he was lying.
I mean, I've gone on for seven minutes with some of this.
It sounds factual.
I agree.
And she's autistic.
Son is autistic.
He is neurologically typical.
My gut, he's doing the right thing, trying to get him back, probably, but he absolutely has to have the capacity and the will to start over and get out there again.
They could still be in his life.
They could still be in communications.
Yeah.
That's part of winning is having options.
Go ahead.
I don't know.
Can I go too far?
No, no, no, no.
I just want to say, I don't, I don't think necessarily he's doing the right thing.
I think he's doing the white man thing.
What he needs to do by his moral quotes.
No, not what he needs to do, what he thinks he should do.
And what is the in the typical circumstances, what he should do.
But this is not typical circumstances.
Everything about this is so atypical.
And we've discussed this for a while.
I forgot that we didn't discuss this because we talked about this at pretty hefty lengths behind the scenes.
But just because something appears to be the right thing doesn't always mean it is.
Like there is a huge gray area for a lot of things.
And I think that there is a lot of stuff that people need to be more nuanced on.
And I think this is a good example of where it's not so clear cut where, well, that's the, you know, that's the woman that's the mother of your child.
Well, they psychologically tormented him and he needed them to be to be more.
So this guy was in a prison.
And Chris, let me ask you, which prison would you rather be in?
The one you were just in or the one that this guy was in?
You get out of the prison I was in fast, I think.
So, you know, just doing it on the question of time.
Simply to marry him.
Yeah.
Well, I think there's a verse in the Bible where it says it's better to live up in the corner of a house by yourself than be in the house with a contentious woman, something like that.
So, you know, you can't expect fairness from women.
And I like what you said a few minutes ago, Coach.
There's life after this.
And that goes for anything.
There's life after recovering from cancer.
There's life after prison.
There's life after your marriage falls apart.
There's life after your kids all run out and hate you, whatever bad thing.
There is life after that.
Absolutely.
Yep.
And he's doing, and to Rolo's point too, Sam, he's doing what he feels like he has to, right?
He feels like a big dumb because he's screwed up.
So he's like, I have to at least try to get them back.
He's doing the right thing.
If he can't get them back, if it doesn't work, that's not the end of the world either.
That's not the end of the world.
Bingo.
There's life after that.
Can I do what you're doing on this?
Can I offer a cold take?
This man, here's what you did wrong, pal.
You married the autist.
Okay.
That's your mistake.
And everything else that happened afterwards was the consequence of that.
And so you made a mistake marrying this woman.
It went tragically wrong.
And learn your lesson and marry a better woman.
They weren't married.
That's not a cold take.
That's a fiancé.
Jessie.
Oh, fiancé.
I'm sorry.
Well, do you have a child together?
They had a child together.
So you had a child out of wedlock with an artist, and now you're screwed.
So get over it.
Yeah, you've made a lot of mistakes.
And you made a lot of mistakes you can number right there.
But no matter, you know, we make mistakes in this life, but you have to dust yourself off and get ready to fight and get into life.
Virtual bro hug from across the pond.
I certainly hope you haven't walked out into traffic in the couple weeks since we got this email.
Hang in there, buddy.
I'll flag it for you.
I'll let them know that we addressed it in the second half of this full house episode 149.
I am as honored that Cantwell decided to join us again for the third time, but I'm even more honored that he hung out with us in the second half to contribute.
I dare say, Chris, if you're ever bored on a recording night and just feel like shooting the shit or waxing poetic about any of this stuff, you are welcome back anytime, my friend.
I'm so glad to have you back in the fray.
Unsurprisingly, you soldiered through adversity like a white man would, as Sam just described.
And I think we've plugged your stuff.
ChristopherCantwell.net radical agenda is out, but we'll be transitioning to something else.
And givesendgo.com slash just can't well.
He got the just can't well, give send go link.
Any last thoughts, Chris?
God bless, my friend.
Well, thank you guys for occupying my evening and making great radio with me.
I appreciate it very much.
And for that future invitation, which I am certainly going to take you up on, I am also eternally grateful.
You know, and I'll say, you know, coach, you were there for me when I was down in Virginia there.
And you were one of the first people to come out and, you know, really try to help me out.
And it meant a lot to me.
And I'm very grateful for that and all the other wonderful things that you do.
So thanks a lot for having me on.
It was my pleasure, Chris.
And also credit to my wife.
That lovely Christmas Eve dinner that we had while you were on house arrest.
That was her idea.
I was a little gun shy at that point.
So credit to my wife.
She has been a saint to a lot of people.
She is a saint.
And she was, you know, I mean, she's a caring, wonderful woman who was there for me too.
And I'm internally grateful to the both of you.
Hey, you know, nobody else or almost nobody else has had the experience of Christmas Eve with Cantwell with a ham in the oven, him going on a mile a minute about all the things that are going on with an ankle bracelet on and the kids are there in an apartment that would have been a lot cleaner if it weren't for your roommate at the time.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
I have a lovely picture.
Yeah, I'll send you.
I think I probably sent you the picture, Chris, but it's just, yeah, you, you, me, and we only had two kids at the time.
I don't know if she was pregnant then, but yeah, absolutely fond memory.
I'll treasure forever.
We'll have you back on.
Keep fighting whatever strategy and tactics you decide to do because I know that they will be sincere and legitimate and with the best interests of mind.
But I'm going on long now here, 143 on the East Coast from deep in the heart of the mountain mama.
Sam, my friend, thank you so much.
Yeah, absolutely.
And Chris, thank you for your service.
Thank you, John.
Rolo, thank you for putting up with my BS and Bant.
You are one of my best friends in the entire world.
And I drive or fly to help you if you ever, if you ever, it would have to be really like urgent, but I would do that.
Thank you.
Almost kind words.
A lot of stipulations on that.
Yeah, I'm not flying out there to help with a rich goat, sick goat or something, you know.
But Rolo read the fine bread.net.
I'm still trying to get Rolo to move out to healthier climes, too.
It's too dry, too dry where he is.
I would love to have Rolo as a neighbor in all sincerity, just to milk him for the babysitting.
All right, everyone.
Got to do it.
Full house episode 149 was recorded.
It's another full house, or not a full house, a full moon night, January 6th.
It's now January 7th.
They call this one the small moon or something because it's on the opposite side of the earth.
I don't know.
Didn't follow the whole thing.
To all of our audience who were Cantwell fans, donors, supporters over the years, especially the ones who stuck with him.
God bless you.
You all size them up right when you're like, I got a soft spot for Cantwell.
Well-placed empathy and generosity.
And follow us on Telegram, Gab, the whole thing, givesendgo.com slash fullhouse and fullhouse show at protonmail.com.
We would be delighted to read any white pill good news stuff you got or really tough things that you're going through in your life.
Make a sock email.
Use a fake name.
Don't be too proud to like use your real name or identifiable sock.
We'll help you out.
We don't want to burn you.
And with that, we're bringing it to a close.
And I one second.
Wait a second.
Yeah.
Go for it.
Yeah.
I got, I got, I got one, I got one ask for you guys and your audience.
Um, you mentioned Gab.
Oh, I sent an email to Gab Support.
I sent an email to Torba, and they have not responded to me about getting my Gab account back.
You know, they kicked me off the platform.
They said, if a federal judge says his post wasn't a crime, then we'll let him back on.
And I thought that that was really weird.
And it became obvious to me after I was arrested that probably what happened was they got some kind of subpoena.
And for that reason, they kicked me off.
Well, as it turns out, I was whatever they were investigating was they were looking to Gab for posts to put context into what happened in a private conversation.
So I'm never going to be able to get a federal judge to rule on the question.
I brought this up to Torba.
They have not responded to me.
Go give those guys a hard time.
And if I get on Twitter before I get back on Gab, it's going to look really bad for Gab.
So they got to give me my account back and the public has to break their chops about it.
There you go.
I have not resubscribed to Gab Pro just because I was being lazy.
And I will not resubscribe to Gab Pro and give Torba money unless our pal Chris gets reinstated there righteously and so well deserved.
All right, fam.
We love you.
To bring us to a close this week, I'm going with not the original Running Up That Hill by Kate Bush, which is a great song in its own right, but there's a remake by a woman named Meg Myers, who's from Tennessee originally, I think, that has a little bit of a harder, grittier sound to it.
And I thought that Running Up That Hill is something that Chris, Sam, Rolo, me, and all of us listening, married, going through troubles, whatever it is, personal, professional, movement-related.
We're all running up that hill.
Don't stop running, fam.
We love you, and we'll talk to you next week.
Chris, at this point of the show, we say see you.
So it's up to you.
You can close us out this week, you're in it.
See ya.
Jake, thanks for having me on again.
You guys have a good night.
Your audience has been very generous to me, and I'm very thankful.
Thank you, Chris.
night.
Do you wanna feel how it feels?
Do you wanna know?
Know that it doesn't hurt me.
Do you wanna hear about the deal I'm making?
It's you.
It's you and me.
And if I could make a deal with God, and I get in this one place, be running up that road.
Be running up that hill.
Be running up that building.
Save us.
Let's see how deep the bullet lies.
Unaware, I'm tearing you asunder.
Oh, there is thunder in our hearts.
Is there so much hate for the ones we love?
Well, tell me we both remember, don't we?
You it's you and me.
It's you and me.
You won't be unhappy.
I know we could make a deal with gods.
And I get in the swap of places.
Be running up that road.
Be running up that hill.
Be running up that building.
Save all we could.
You It's you and me
It's you and me you won't be unhappy Come on, baby Come on darling Let me steal this moment from you now Come on angel, come on, come on, darling Let's exchange the express See if I could make a deal with gods Like I'm in this warm place
And we're running up that road Be running up that hill With no power So if I only could make a deal with god getting to swap our presence And be running up that road Be running up that hill With no purpose