This past weekend, almost 200 hearty souls assembled in a rustic venue to witness the birth of the National Justice Party.
It was equal parts family reunion, cocktail party, and rousing political rally.
Tonight, we will look under the hood of the newborn NJP with two founding members.
We're going to shed some light on what it's about, what it hopes to accomplish, and hopefully why you should support the effort.
so mr producer let's get down to business
The episode
60 of Full House, the world's most third-party enthusiastic show for white fathers, aspiring ones and the whole bio fam.
I am your inveterately political host, Coach Finstock, back with another show, deviating from our mission statement.
That's right.
I hope the audience isn't too upset that we indulged in some Charlottesville reminiscing last week and are focusing on the talk of the town this week.
Before we meet tonight's birth panel, though, big thanks to listener Robert Smith for throwing us some shekels in the hat this week.
If you'd like to be like Robert Smith, and you should, drop us a line to fullhouse show at protonmail.com or check out our support us link at full-house.com.
And aside from our previous episode, which just posted today as we are going to tape, there's also a little written OC up there describing what it was like to be at the founding event of the National Justice Party.
And we will, of course, expand upon that tonight.
Also, we are going to keep this to a one-hour focus show this week.
So, birth announcements are right at the top.
Huge congratulations to our pal, Virtu, and his wife, who have their fifth child on the way.
Way to go, guys.
You already earned the Mother's Cross, so I don't know what comes after that, but we're over the moon for you.
And also to our pal, I don't know if I can say his name.
I think he announced it on Twitter, but I'll just give his initials, MH.
He has his second on the way, apparently, assuming he wasn't trolling.
But we assume not.
And we love you, buddy.
Thank you for listening and keep at it.
All right.
With that, let us get on to the birth panel.
First up, he's seeing third parties come and third parties go.
Where this one will go, he don't know, but hopefully we will crack that nut tonight.
Sam, you did not quit the show after I ribbed you last week for Miss and Seaville.
No, definitely not.
And man, it's exciting, and I hardly feel like I can crack a joke here at the top of the show.
I'm so interested in this next hour here.
You know, I really appreciated the earnestness with which that speech was delivered.
I've just been listening to it and just coming out of the gate with a lot of excitement there.
Mike was doing a great job.
Absolutely.
To be there was electric or high voltage, as I described it.
Sorry that you missed that one too, pal.
But yeah, we are high hopes right now.
Obviously, it's early days and a little light on details, which is understandable.
So hopefully we'll fill in a couple gaps during this show.
Well, next up, word on the street is that his NJP codename is The Fixer.
Very mysterious.
Our very own birth panelist made his on-stage debut this week at the event, and we couldn't be prouder of our little guy, Potato Smasher.
You're all grown up now.
I guess so.
My stage name is The People's Hammer.
Very good.
Very pro-worker.
How are you?
And how, I mean, I know you've been working hard, but fill us in a little bit at the top.
I'm pretty tired.
No, I'm pretty much recovered, but it took a great effort to pull off everything the way that we pulled it off.
And it went off without any snags.
No, you know, gears were greased.
Pigs are greased, and we got them all.
Amen.
Yeah, I have been to a lot of events in my life, and there were a lot of concerns going into this one.
Not that those concerns weren't warranted, but none of them rose to the surface.
So testament to you, the team, all the volunteers you had.
I had a blast, and more importantly, it was inspirational.
But we will get into that stuff as the show proceeds.
Next up, he was last seen patrolling the borders of our clandestine political gathering with a scowl on his face and a deadly weapon slung over his back.
That was his beautiful toddler son, of course.
Dom, we're so glad to have you back on Full House.
Well, it's an honor and a privilege to be back here with you guys.
And yeah, we're going to have a lot of really, the guests are going to have a really lot of really exciting things to talk about tonight.
I'm sure everybody who was there is still kind of riding that electric wave that was swelled up from the energy just from the crowd.
It was just amazing.
And so I'm just excited to hear what these guys say tonight.
Same here.
Yep.
A lot of questions.
We may ask some jokey ones.
This is Full House.
We're not going to pretend to be 100% buttoned down and straight-laced and no fun.
But this is a little bit of a different thing.
There's hope on the horizon.
And yeah, we want to dig into it largely for the benefit of our listeners who have so much interest and excitement and questions.
And I was serious.
You did have a very serious look on your face with your beautiful boy in the backpack on your back.
So great to see you again.
Master Marshall.
Break them out in case of emergency.
And finally, if eyebrows could kill, he'd be serving a life sentence already.
The second guest on the show tonight, who is another founding member of the NJP, and he's such a nice guy, we even agreed to bump the show up by 30 minutes to accommodate his schedule.
I'm kidding you, Tony.
Tony Hovader, welcome back.
Hey, thanks for having me on.
And two things right off the bat.
One, I've got a kid on the way, so this is actually the first full house I've been on where it's appropriate.
And second of all, me and Smasher, we drew strolls, and unfortunately, he did get the name People's Hammer.
Very, very difficult.
What's your code name?
I don't even want to go in.
Yeah, we can leak Smasher.
It's not yours.
It would have to be bleeped out by the producer.
Congratulations, Tony.
I couldn't remember if we had mentioned it on the show before.
I think we were waiting for a respectful amount of time.
But how are things going on that front?
How's Wifey?
So far, so good.
She hasn't had any issues.
No morning sickness, none of that.
Just surprisingly, it's going fine.
Much like the event last weekend.
Hey, I kept remarking to everybody that, you know, this was like the smoothest event that I've ever been a part of.
And that was actually starting to make me anxious.
Like, I know something's up.
Exactly.
Got it.
Like, the wheel's got to be coming off somewhere, right?
Look at her.
These are all the massage planning courses that I had to take.
Oh, yeah.
These are really good.
Don't joke, Smasher.
You know what the Spurgs will do with that.
That's all right.
No, it really, it really was a smooth event.
And hats off to you guys and all the volunteers.
And fun fact for the audience: Tony's wife arguably saved my dog's life when we hung out the last time because it was a hot July day and the dog snuck out of the house.
And his wife said, Coach, your dog's looking a little bit heated there.
And she was.
She was overheating, took her up, gave her a cold bath.
So our dog is still alive, thanks to the Hovaders.
True story.
We did it.
Yeah.
All right, lads, let us get into it.
Smasher and Tony, I assume you have your talking points all assembled.
You've had your press briefing.
Is this technically this is probably your first NJP interview, for lack of a better term?
Sound right?
Yep.
Outside of Mike talking about it on Monday.
Right.
Yep.
And he waited.
I didn't hear Wednesday's show, but he waited until the second half to talk about it.
And he was a little bit vague.
So we'll dig a little bit.
And full candor for the audience, you know, everybody wants to know more.
It is early days.
We have detailed questions.
We have vague questions and stuff like that.
We'll try to get to it.
And don't screw up, guys.
You're big time now.
So don't be nervous either.
But starting at the top, tell us a little bit, and Tony Smasher let you go back and forth.
What are the origins of this cause, of this effort?
How did it come together and why?
I guess I'll start.
So Tony and I had talked about a political party basically since the fall of TWP.
Warren and I have been talking about a political party since we met, basically.
And I mean, I think I've talked about it with Mike and Stryker as well.
I had never talked about it with Greg, but basically we had all talked about it as individuals to each other, specifically with Warren.
And then one day, Warren was just like, hey, we're all talking about this.
Let's have a meeting.
And that was kind of it.
All right, Tony, is that mesh with your understanding of the origins of NJP?
Yeah, I mean, that really is pretty much how it went down.
You know, same deal.
I've been talking with a lot of these guys separately for in Smasher's case, you know, going on what, like two years, three years?
How long has it been?
Yeah, something like that.
And a few months ago, me and Warren actually had this massive, you know, 10,000-word email thread back and forth, discussing the most autistic details that we could possibly ever run into if there was any problems with forming a party.
And yeah, I made it out their way, and we just had a big meeting, and that was kind of it.
Well, bless you guys, because I have said for quite some time that we should do it.
Consequences be damned, with some caveats that, of course, you don't want to rush into something and do it foolishly or without a good amount of planning.
But all of the metapolitics and the practicalities aside, in my mind, at least, it always was the natural evolution to give us a legitimate, serious vehicle to organize, to say the things that politicians of both sides will not say for obvious reasons, and to have some fun too.
Like it was so much fun to be there.
The little write-up that I did, it was like being at a family reunion and catching up with old friends, but with a renewed purpose this time.
So right up at the top, thank you guys for doing what so many people have talked about.
And yet, you know, you had the mojo to get it done.
And that's the easy part, unfortunately.
We will get Sam and Domin here real quick, but that begs the next question is, all right.
So you guys had, you had a little party, you put a video out, and you had a little speech, right?
Being sarcastic, of course.
What are you doing next?
What is your timeframe?
So some big picture things that I think it's fair for, you know, you ginned up all this interest, you got people excited, and of course you've gotten the enemy agitated as well, which is always a good sign.
But what is in the near term, what do you guys hope to accomplish with this?
I think it's safe for me to say that we don't plan on running a candidate in the 2020 election.
I know we've got a lot of time to plan and fund an election campaign, but, you know, I just don't.
Yeah.
No, I don't think even your worst enemies would give you any guff for not getting anybody on the ballot this fall.
How about how about next fall?
All right.
When are you going to obviously you're forming a political party?
It hasn't been formalized yet, but what's your, yeah, ideally, political parties run candidates.
What's your vague timeline for something like that, if you can answer?
We don't have one.
And I think right now our biggest goal is to build a popular support network and do advocacy type stuff.
And then when kind of like with the political party, we felt that the time was right and that this would make waves and be important.
And so, you know, we just keep doing maybe speeches, maybe protests, private events, whatever the case may be, whatever events that we decide we want to hold and whatever makes sense for us to do, we do that, send out the good message of truth that we are sending.
And then when the time is right, when it's like, okay, we can run a candidate that isn't like a joke candidacy or some unopposed candidate somewhere that literally nothing matters.
Right.
Yeah, you don't want to waste precious time and money, even though running a candidate and losing is not necessarily a loss, a net loss.
Right.
Tony, that'll mesh with you.
Yeah.
Running a candidate immediately is, for some reason, that's what people assume this is what we're doing.
Sure.
No, we are not trying to install Mike as president of the United States at the moment.
Not with that attitude.
Yeah, no, no.
I don't know.
A three-month media blitz, maybe we can get it done.
Yeah.
I don't know.
But no, the whole point now is to build popular support and put out propaganda and reach people.
We may in the near future have candidates that are running, but they'd be running as Republicans or Democrats because campaign laws in this country are so ridiculous.
You have to get so many signatures.
They can all be challenged.
So a lot of that's going to be played by ear.
Okay.
And this was something that back in the day, all the way back in 2015, we were talking about with TWP, where you could put a person up against somebody that would be able to pull a certain amount of support and force a candidate to either adopt our more hardline policies or lose.
So that's something in the no, I don't want to say near future, but that's something that we could do before we have this massive ground skull that we're going for.
Sure.
Two quick things, and then I'll turn it over.
Yeah, running NJP guys as Republicans or Democrats, I presume in primaries.
Obviously, it'd have to be primaries to get in.
That is news to me and will probably make waves.
And if you're just feeling this stuff out, obviously it's early days.
That's understandable.
But I think people would be slightly surprised by that and the full force, the immune systems of both parties would immediately seek to destroy the infiltrator, no matter how worthy and justice.
And that's probably the force.
Sure.
Yeah.
You have no home here or there.
And of course, the enemy will be listening to this too.
So we're obviously cognizant of that.
My other just real quick.
I mean, look what they did to James Ossip.
He won in fair and square, and they changed the rules for the election to disclude him.
Sure.
Jeff Sessions, Chris Kobek, stalwart, virtually lifelong Republicans who gave blood, sweat, and tears, and they just chewed them up and spit them out when they were seen to no longer be useful or to be contrary to the party line.
So that's something.
But I would, my two cents would be I would hope that you guys try to run somebody by November 2021 or 2022 at the latest.
Otherwise, I think you would open yourselves up to either questions or complaints that you're dragging your feet.
The hour is somewhat late in the United States politically to make a difference.
And then you'll also open yourself up to accusations that you're not serious, even if you don't put one guy up for dog catcher in Oshkosh.
But take that for what it is.
Well, think of it this way, though, as I'll build on something he said just a few minutes ago.
Yeah, running a candidate is great, but there's advantages to being a political party at all because as individuals, we know that our rights are trampled very easily and we can be silenced in different ways.
But it gets to be kind of a serious thing to censor a political party that has standing and that is legitimate and registered or whatever the right word is there.
So I think there is a good rationale to being a political party because I know some people will have kind of a reaction like, oh, this is futile.
Politics is futile.
This is a waste of time.
Yeah, but as a legitimate political party, they may be able to do things that as individuals, we would have a much harder time.
Exactly.
There's certain protections afforded to a political party that you as an individual, even in America, you do not receive.
So yes.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, you know, things like we know that they will seize private people's assets and things like that.
But for it to be done to a political party, that's like a much bigger step.
And so I agree with the idea.
And it's just a way to carry the message forward in another way.
And something of a, I suppose I could put this a little bit in the form of a question if you care to respond to it, Smasher or Tony.
You know, just as that speech started as I was watching and Mike comes out of the box with a lot of energy and all that, you know, that's something a party like this, I think, can offer just by the guys that are up there on the stage or putting themselves forward is there's an energy and a sense of we're going to do something.
And that's what attracts people to a party, especially is that they see that the people are really doing something and are very active instead of certainly the Republican Party.
It's almost like their way of getting support is almost like out of pity.
All the emails and things that you receive from disgusting.
Like, oh, we're being, we're losing.
We're about to be overrun by Democrats.
Can't you spare 20 bucks or 100 bucks?
Nickel left.
Join the 100 club.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have all those things going to spam.
Like 2016, I would read them and now they all go to spam.
How many of them huge emails from Trump every single day?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
At least 10 or 20.
Please, this special text message just for you.
Yeah.
We're quintupling the multiple for donations.
So if you donate $50, it'll be times five now.
So, I mean, it's like pathetic.
Like, why don't you guys just donate all the money then?
You can spam eight times.
And I think even the Democrats kind of come across as weak.
But I think that's what motivated people like us maybe in 2016 is because we had the illusion or hope that maybe something was going to happen and something was going to get done.
But you just see the national parties are so lethargic and bloated and big and moribund, fossilized, ossified, unagile.
So this is just the pictures you see of the guys and stuff.
They just look like people who are going to do things.
So that's what I would be interested for any of the guests or for Smasher to say.
So can you say anything or do you want to say anything?
Yeah, here's what we're going to do because that's what gets people pumped up that we're going to go do something.
Now, whatever that thing is, maybe it is kind of modest.
Maybe it's not running a candidate, but in other words, this party should be leading people and pulling people along and not begging people to come along and trying with tears and sob stories about what we should do, but rather doing it and telling us what we should be doing.
Amen.
Well, my first goal is to get through all of these emails.
We've gotten more than 500 emails come in in about 24 hours, which is why, listener, if you have sent an email to get on the mailing list and have not gotten an email, it's coming, I promise.
It's just going to take a little time.
And most of them are serious and supportive, if not all of them, right?
We have not gotten any trolling emails, at least none that are very obvious.
We've gotten a couple weird ones.
Yeah, now they're going to come.
We've got a couple weird ones, but I think that's just people trying to be as genuine as they can.
But they're like, this seems very legit, but I'm so used to irony, so I'm not holding it against anybody.
Absolutely.
Dom, you are Mr. Optimist.
And Sam's comments were a good segue.
And I don't want to cut off our two NJP stalwarts here.
But yeah, whether you want to comment on the event itself or just why this is such good news for us, whichever way the winds blow on it.
Well, the event itself was the only way I can describe it is it was absolutely electrifying.
It was really good.
A lot of people saw a lot of old faces, people that I really like that I haven't seen for a while, and a lot of new faces.
And everybody there was a great environment.
Everybody, really good energy.
Everybody was getting along and everybody was on the same page, focused on the same goal.
And when you have that many people in one place with a singularity of purpose and thought, it creates a certain energy.
You can, a good example of this that most people have probably experienced in their life is at a concert or a professional or big-time state, state college sports game.
And, you know, the energy, because you're really everybody, there's thousands of people there all rooting for the same thing for the same team.
And you can just feel it.
It's electric.
And that's how it was there.
And that's how I assume that it will continue to be at any further events like that.
And that just being in that environment with people like that gives people optimism and hope.
Even if it's only a relatively small amount of people, it just leaves you with a really good feeling.
But yes, I real quick, for the people who saw the video as opposed to being there, obviously I lived the speech and the video, and then I watched it afterwards.
And it was a little bit night and day.
I mean, the video was great.
Mike did a great job, especially for his first, you know, his coming out speech, in effect.
But to be there was something different.
There was an energy in the air, an optimism.
Also, of course, a righteous anger that was whipped up justly.
And to see it on a screen is just not the same thing, as you said.
But yeah, go ahead.
I just had to interject that.
Well, you know, the world we live in, we see things day in and day out, and especially over the past six months.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff out there that makes you feel bad and insecure.
And, you know, there's really not anywhere to turn.
You don't have any representation coming from either the Democrat or the Republican Party.
It's, you know, white Americans are effectively disenfranchised.
So, you know, people rightfully feel lost.
And what I hope that happens with the NJP is that, you know, we keep that energy going, that good energy, and use that as momentum to carry themselves forward and lead people because people are looking for that.
The NJP has the potential to be a beacon to people of similar mind in a dark world in existence.
You know, it would be excellent if this is a starting point where we can lead our people into something greater, into what we into our destiny, what we are meant to be, because so much is holding us back right now.
And it's just anti-white, anti-white constantly through all the media, internet, TV, everywhere.
And it's just not, it's not just people like us that notice it.
Believe me, there are people, normies, that notice it acutely.
Well, people are attracted to strength.
And people do not want to hear the message, as I alluded to, like Republicans or something like, oh, we're here to represent you.
Tell us what you want.
No, that people want to be led in a positive way.
So we want to hear from the National Justice Party what they're going to do and what they want us to do, not asking us what to do.
Good segue, Sam.
And real quick, anyone who's listening to this, hostile or friendly, probably knows the score already.
But the Democratic Party is virtually explicitly anti-white at this point.
It's not disputable.
Biden was essentially held hostage to nominate not just a woman, but a woman of color in this land where we're not supposed to see race and gender, and it's supposed to be every man and woman for himself on the basis of their own virtues and work ethics and talents.
But he had to pick a black woman, otherwise, there would have been a revolt in that party.
And the Republican Party, we gave it a shot.
We really did.
Most of us had no hope after McCain, Romney, etc.
Trump came along.
We poured our blood, sweat, and tears into it in the hopes that he could turn this rotting, hulking, misdirected ship around the right way through the system.
And we even held out efforts and continued through the midterms, which of course failed miserably.
And then one broken promise after another, and the vast majority of us are ready to seek something new.
And that is where the timing of you guys is perfect.
The dust has settled from the stupid stuff that's happened in our movement, and people are hungry and ready to move forward.
However, like Sam said, this is such a rocky road for you guys to travel.
And again, I take my hats off to you for going after it.
But you know, as well as we do, that they will probably ignore you at first to not give you any oxygen.
And the moment that you start reaching critical mass and making waves and attracting eyeballs and efforts and money and votes, they will seek to destroy you utterly.
They will seek to stomp you out through hook or crook.
And that is why you guys have to be as you have to be as bold as you have to be careful.
So assuage listeners who want to support you but are nervous about it getting involved.
I was going to save this question for the end, but what are you asking for from listeners right now?
I assume you're not taking donations.
You're not registered as a political party yet, but correct me if I'm wrong.
And do you want them to just pay attention for now?
You want them to come to events?
I'll stop there.
Well, so we have a lot of our paperwork in order, some of it back, some of it not back for different types of ways to organize.
Most of it is just waiting on bureaucrat gang.
Sure.
But regardless of how we are registered, there are different ways to take donations too for different types of organizations.
And most political parties are not just one entity, technically, right?
So it all gets really complicated, and I don't even have the autism to understand it perfectly.
That's not my job.
You will.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
But basically, right now, we want people to just keep supporting us and stay tuned.
The emails for the mailing list, the first email will be out shortly.
As soon as I get through all of these emails and get them sorted onto the mailing list, we will be approving an email and sending it out.
As far as donations go, that's going to be the best way to support us in the short term.
Membership and everything will be explained shortly as well.
Probably not in the first email update, maybe in the second or third one, depending on how fast we figure it out.
Basically, our big holdup is that we're going over all of our options to make sure that obviously we have lawyers working on all of this.
So legally, we're fine, but we want to find the best way to protect the people that want to support us.
Basically, The biggest holdup that we have is trying to figure out 100% how do we do this so that we don't have anything go wrong for you, the supporter.
Good looking out.
Yeah, there's a different, yeah, if you donate, don't take this as sacrament, but there's some cutoff limit when you donate to a political party.
If it's below $200, I believe it doesn't have to be reported.
You don't have to, or the party itself, the recipient, doesn't have to report it to the Elections Commission by law, although they may still do that.
I think it's up to them.
And over a certain point, they are mandated to do that.
But then you have the other, you know, a PAC or something like that, soft money bundling.
You know, again, don't take this as official campaign donation advice.
Do your own homework, and I'm sure that the NJP guys will provide guidance.
But there are ways to support political efforts.
One of the biggest things is guys are like, I would love to donate this, but I don't want to get listed as a Nazi or whatever.
Yeah, I seem to remember there was like when people were donating to Trump, there was efforts to find out people, find out their names and embarrass them and stuff like that.
So that's what kind of scumbags our enemies are.
Or that's how ruthless.
If you're right, if Carl Mox, you know, I wish we were as ruthless as they were, I guess.
Yeah.
And so that's basically we are trying to do everything we can to protect you, which means longer timelines for some of this stuff, but it's worth the wait.
Yeah.
And for the listener, who I hope I've built up a little bit of trust and rapport with over the past year and a half, 60 episodes, I know and I have known every single man on that stage for years, with the one exception of the elderly gentleman, which a fan said he looks like the good wizard from white advocacy of years past, which I thought was charming and funny.
And he is, yeah.
But in all seriously, these guys are serious.
They've been through not hell, but they've been through struggles.
And they are not going to waste your time or your money.
And if they do, I'll let you know where they live just to keep them honest.
So yeah, go for it.
You know, everybody's feeling our way forward with this with optimism and also a little bit of caution, which is totally understandable in early days.
Before I move on to, you know, policies, the platform, the meat of the NJP, just wanted to see if there was any other comments from Tony or questions that Sam and Dom wanted to ask.
I think I pretty much summed it up saying stay tuned at the moment.
But yeah, it's just going to take a little bit to get all of our stuff back, all of our paperwork, everything filed.
But yeah, then we'll be good to go.
But absolutely, send us an email.
Make sure it's not going to spam.
We will be in contact.
It's just going to take a second because we did just get quite an avalanche of messages.
That's awesome.
All right.
Yeah, we'll move on to the content and the platform while also dealing with, and a reminder, this thing has been live for less than a week.
So we're all eager beavers here, like, all right, guys, come on.
You know, like, when do we win the presidency?
When do we take over everything?
But the harpies, as I sideline harpies, as I call them, people would call them Spergs or Bitter.
You've gotten plenty of criticism already from nitpickers at the content of Mike's speech or this or that.
And that was inevitable.
And you're not doing anything worthwhile if you're not catching flak.
So far, I think the real true enemy has held fire yet and is just sort of looking on at this thing curiously.
But what would Tony and Smasher, what would you say to the people who are out there already knocking this out of the gate?
And let's grant them good intent that they're criticizing you guys for this or that early on and that you could maybe learn from it.
I don't know.
Softball or a tough question.
I'm not sure what that is.
Well, I'm saying, first of all, most of the time, those people there, they're not coming with good intent.
Sure.
Typically, it's just people that no matter what you do, they want to nitpick.
They want to have something to complain about.
A lot of the time, and I've seen this for years and years in the movement.
If you assert anything, if you put anything forward that sort of turns a mirror on themselves and they have to think, well, why am I not doing anything?
Like, what have I done?
And then they're going to be able to do that.
Yeah, well, that's what I would say is to do something better.
Yeah, exactly.
If you think you're better, do something better.
Great.
I'd love to have somebody do something even bigger than National Justice Party.
Yeah.
Good for you.
The Sam Party.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's right.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Smash.
My response to all of the criticism is okay.
Quote me on that.
Yeah.
All right, man.
I tweeted.
I have not been interacting with people because it's not worth it.
We're not putting out, we're putting information out at the pace that's appropriate for our plan.
And so eventually everybody's questions will be answered.
And if they aren't, then I don't know.
Maybe at a time in the future, we can address them.
But, you know, it's like, what can I say?
We can have an argument on Twitter with 200 different people that are all going to come to the same conclusion that you're an idiot.
So it's not worth it.
Yeah, the internet makes everybody his own Karl Rove, right?
The political mastermind with the skeleton key to success.
Yeah.
Right.
So it's like, don't, there's no point in arguing.
I wish everybody the best in whatever they plan on doing.
And that's it.
We're just going to do what we're going to do.
And that's all we can do.
So at the same time, politics is the art or the mathematics of addition, not subtraction.
So don't write off the harpies.
Maybe just yet.
Yeah, of course.
That's why you don't argue with them because then you will write them off.
If you just say, okay, we can talk about it later, then at that point, you basically just go into a mode of, we'll just wait until things are worked out and that'll be cool.
That's right.
Yeah.
You basically have free feedback thanks to the internet, free polling, essentially.
And some of those things are going to be off the wall.
But some of the critiques are going to be valid and should be taken into account.
Yeah, of course.
Always.
And that's, but that was my one dig that I did was I tweeted, everybody wants you to do something until you do it.
Isn't that the truth?
Isn't that the truth?
All right.
I've been saying do something for years.
Oh, you did something.
Well, that's not how it should have been done.
Stupid.
Yeah, then why do you think that's a good idea?
That might come from a misplaced, misplaced feeling of, oh, why didn't I do this first?
Or, you know, so if at the end of the day, if you're an ideological fellow traveler and at any level, the NJP is working for you and us.
So, you know, if you have some kind of criticisms, keep them private or keep them to yourself and just kind of watch and see what happens and let it speak for itself.
Amen.
And we have operated on the show so far from the assumption that the audience is either hostile or all bored.
But obviously, there are going to be some curious listeners who are, you know, like I call it a Vince McMahon meme image too, you know, a little bit of curious amusement or curiosity.
So, Tony and Smasher, why should people get excited about the NJP and want to support you guys and what you're doing?
What else do you have?
Is there not another option?
Second of all, you know, this is a group of guys who have dedicated, and most people have dedicated the vast majority of their life, or at least their adulthood, to this.
You know, some people will find a way to, I guess, make that a bad thing, but I don't know many modern, you know, guys like us that make money off of this, really.
You know, this isn't like, this isn't like a typically a lucrative career move.
This is something that we all believe in.
One of my questions for.
One of my questions was going to be: is this a honeypot, a grift operation, or a gay op?
Jokes on you.
No, but yeah, well put, Tony.
But all right.
So, and digging a little bit deeper, most of us have bought the meme, the narrative, not without justification that, quote unquote, there is no political solution, which does not mean civil war, armed uprising, and rebellion is inevitable, but it's a reflection of the widespread justified belief that we are not represented by the Democrats nor the Republicans who have a stranglehold on politics and will stamp out opposition whenever it shows to their duopoly,
as smart people call it.
So, yeah, you're starting a political party, ginning up enthusiasm from people who are very jaded by politics.
So, square that circle for us.
You are going to run candidates one day, I assume, with the intent to win in a country that is rapidly browning by their own admission and intent, and with our dwindling white majority declining.
So, you know, obviously, there's a lot of baseball still to be played, but game this out a little bit or think over the horizon.
They always say tactics is what's in front of you, in front of the horizon.
Strategy is over the horizon.
Yeah, it's actually pretty simple, you know.
And that is something you hear constantly.
I've had several people, you know, remind me, hey, there's no political solution today.
But, you know, actually everything is a political solution.
Like, if you are banding together to affect change for your community, for your people, your country, like those are all political solutions, whether you want to call it that or not.
So, actually, yes, the only thing we can do is band together and work together to try to change our situation.
Like, yes, there's obviously going to be opposition, but so, you know, like, I just, I don't.
That's less.
Yeah, I see people say that.
Like, well, they'll just, they'll just try to stop you.
Like, yeah, yeah, probably.
Well, you can't be an overcomer if you don't have something to overcome.
Exactly.
Like, one thing, too, to remind those people, like, you know, people can take quite a bit before there's a collapse, before there's some sort of a civil war.
You know, this, like, how long do you think we have before something like that happens?
It could, honest to God, I don't think there will ever be a collapse or a civil war.
I think that's a cope that people use so they can remain inactive because they're afraid.
We are offering you something that you can actually work towards, and that makes some people like that uncomfortable.
But this is actually what has to happen.
Like, be a man and accept that this is what's got to happen and we can actually make it happen, but we all have to be brave about it, you know?
Right.
I would ask those people the question: so you're not brave enough to take part in something completely peaceful and legal, but you are brave enough to participate in an armed struggle.
Yeah, every people are, yeah, in an armed struggle.
In an armed struggle, people are just going to miraculously follow you because of things you've said on Twitter.com.
Deep cut there, Tony.
I mean, there's at least a couple of us here that can attest that it does not work that way at all.
At least, you know, we can all run to the jungles of Brazil, and that'll buy us at least six more months before they cut those down too.
Yeah, somebody said, Well, this is you, you guys really can't lose, right?
I mean, of course, you can literally, but either the system will be forced to play by its own rules and allow you to operate within the bounds of the law and speak freely and petition for redress of grievances and advocate and do all the things that we were taught in civics class, or they will reveal their hand and their dastardly motivating animus and just shut you down unfairly.
Now, of course, I'm sure that they, if and when they do that, they will wrap it up in some sort of BS, trump something up, gen something up.
But by being the men in the arena, by forcing the issue, we're going to find out one day.
And I think good people, wherever there's persecution, wherever there is persecution, that only makes us stronger.
I'm not asking for persecution, of course, but should that come like what you described, then that too will make it grow in another way.
That's right.
Strength through adversity.
That's right.
Strength through struggle.
Another thing with the armed insurrection crowd, Sinn Féin was established before the IRA.
I'm just saying.
They had a political party.
That's the case in most revolutions that I'm aware of.
So, you know, if you want to stay an armed insurrectionist, great.
Good for you.
Well, we're going to do this first.
And it may not come to that, too, because as I like to point out, you know, this country was taken from us without a shot fired.
Right.
Why can't it be taken back without a shot being fired?
Right.
And I'm not, you know, advocating, obviously.
I'm just, you know, historically speaking, this has been the case.
This country was founded by guns and blood and revolt.
Yeah.
Like there's no reason to think that it's going to work differently.
A political solution has to be tried first.
Well, mostly imagine counter signaling the idea of men banding together with a united front with a united set of ideals.
Like, doesn't that sound sort of like a prerequisite before anything can happen?
There's going to be, you're just like, there's going to be random cells just rising up and something, something, you know, question, question, question.
Revolution.
An armed insurrection without a political end is a criminal gang, usually is what they call that.
Yeah.
If you want that, you can move to LA.
That's totally acceptable.
That's just the natural state there.
Go do it.
It doesn't just have to be LA now.
You've got lots of urban options in the United States, unfortunately.
Yeah, if you're if you're a hipster insurrectionist, I guess you could go to Portland.
In all honesty, though, I would recommend the people in that crowd to read up on the concept of the political soldier.
And that may be something, maybe somewhat of a white pill to some of that crowd if they could think of things a lot more along that way rather than just thinking of all armed insurrection all the time.
It's a fantasy at this point, but that may be a concept that would interest many people.
It's an interesting concept.
Something, and it's been pointed out millions of times by basically everybody in the movement.
Like there's thousands and thousands and thousands of people that are claiming and potentially actually willing to die for the movement, but very few that are willing to work for it because that's actually far more difficult.
That's something to keep in mind when you want to talk about no political solution.
Like, is it because it's hard or do you actually believe what you're saying?
And I think it's, I think we know the truth.
Right.
Well, it's also, do we not have a political solution because we haven't created something for ourselves?
So, of course, there's no political solution in the two mainstream parties that are controlled by Jews and the innumerable number of joke parties that are run by fat retards or Jews.
So it's like, of course, there's no political solution.
We haven't made one.
Right.
Yeah.
Can't say you can't do it if you don't try.
Right.
Right.
It's fully within our rights as Americans to do this.
100%.
In theory.
100%.
Well, in theory, it has not been seriously tested for a very long time.
It has been successfully done.
Maybe they've never won anything major, but populist parties have been successfully organized and have been very successful.
Sure thing.
Yeah.
And I would not, before the show, Tony and Smasher said, what we really want more in the coming days is free advice from people.
Free political advice.
I'm kidding.
But in that spirit, I would say don't let the difficulty of getting on the ballot be an obstacle.
Like, I get it.
The cards, the deck is stacked against third parties by design.
But screw that.
Well, it can be done.
I mean, Rockwell had a party and that was gaining power.
Art Jones in the Midwest won some 50-something thousand votes.
I mean, he lost the election, but yeah, I mean, you know.
You can't get people to vote.
He was basically on his own, too.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
You look at something like Huey Long back in, you know, 100 years ago.
He was very coffee.
And despite the censorship, the internet does give you economies of scale to get your message out and do things that in the old never before.
Yep, absolutely.
We just need to build our road around that system designed to block third parties out brick by brick, very carefully, and build that road and then walk along it to victory.
What is being attempted right now has been done before countless times in history successfully.
It is possible.
And I'll say this too, as far as the type of support we're getting.
Obviously, we've got a lot of emails from people that are already in the movement, people that are like, hey, I've been listening to TRS since 2014, right?
A lot of stuff like that.
People that we know we're going to show up to support, but I've gotten emails from people that, as far as I can tell, they are 100% normally.
They have no sense of like OPSEC.
It's not fake emails.
People are sending in their phone numbers to get put on party registries.
And of course, this is all being handled very carefully.
But we are reaching people that I don't think they even know what TRS is.
We have people saying, you know, Chairman Pinovich's speech was incredible.
Okay, this guy, clearly, he is either just really buying into the party, which is awesome, or they don't even know who he is and they're impressed with him, which is more awesome, quite frankly.
100% in closed private chats, whatever, where people don't have a need to lie.
Lots and lots of people saying, I showed this to my dad.
My brother sent this to me, and he didn't even know I was connected to it at all.
So it struck a nerve.
And that was just the beginning, the first speech.
So absolutely grounds for optimism and to not ignore, but to power through the naysayers and the doubting Thomases here in the early days.
We are, yeah, we're coming up on an hour, but there's no need to cut this short prematurely.
I think we're still adding value for the NJP as well as our audience.
Let's dig into the, you don't have a formal platform yet, but you did publish sort of a statement of principles that was distributed at the event.
I thought it was pretty good, but I do have some questions.
And obviously, it's not all formalized yet.
We're not going to hold you to anything you theorize or, you know, dangle tonight.
But this is full house, and we are about encouraging white families to have larger families within the bounds of responsibility, not just go out and do it willy-nilly.
But because without white children, there is no future for our race.
And yes, we are race realists.
We are proud white men and women.
And we flip the bird to the people who would tell us that we either don't exist or we have to atone for our privilege.
So pro-natalism in the platform.
Very gratified to see it.
What do you mean by that?
What kind of things are you thinking about when you see that it would be pro-family and pro-natal?
Well, I think talking about policy is LARP, but generally, look at any other country that's had pro-natal policy.
It's not new.
It's not a novel thing.
Russia's done it.
Yep.
Yeah.
You pay people to have kids, pay mothers a living wage once they or pay women a living wage once they have children or cut off part of the cost of the house for every kid like the NSDAP did.
There is an unlimited amount of options to get people to have kids.
It's just about creating the environment for people to be able to actually procreate.
Right.
Because that's very clearly not what we have in America today.
So the COVID cash has been nice.
Yeah.
Whites don't breed in captivity was a line that I always liked early on.
All right.
Yeah.
Bless you guys for including that.
Guns were absent from the platform.
And we don't have to get too specific on this, but my assumption is that you would want to, both on principle as well as on practical terms, appeal to probably more Republicans than Democrats, although I know there's definitely some leftist economics in the platform.
Guns and abortion were both not detailed, at least yet.
Where do you think that is going to go in terms of NJP policy?
Yeah, those are things kind of an oversight.
We probably could have included it, but it's just such a universal thing.
We just didn't really come to mind.
Yeah, we're obviously pro-gun, the people's, the people's weaponry.
We're all good.
It'll be on there.
All right.
Assuage some Jimmies there, yeah.
Gone through an American tradition.
Um, I just didn't, yeah, I just didn't even think about it.
Of course, it's implied in national justice, yeah.
Right.
How else are you going to keep us honest?
Yeah, and the abortion question: uh, we did a whole show on abortion, and we're going to get that up.
That's in the queue to get up on our bit shoot and YouTube channels so we don't gum up our RSS work.
But, uh, you know, sticky question.
Uh, I'm not giving you, uh, you know, some guys in our thing would say illegal for whites, legal for everybody else.
Partially as a joke, maybe partially serious, but uh, rough thinking on abortion.
Uh, we haven't really talked about it.
Um, so I'll give my personal position for uh a serious country is that it's illegal, it's immoral, um, but we allow it for extreme cases, uh, health of a mother, um, etc.
You know, things like that.
Yeah, that's that's my position, too.
Like, there will be outliers where it's you know, it's it's always going to be a tough decision, but there's outliers where it's sometimes the best decision or the only decision.
Um, so I don't think we need to go for an outright top-down ban no matter what, because then you just create you know, room for, well, what about this?
What about this?
And sometimes, flatly, sometimes those situations do come up, and that is what you need to do.
I got two things for you guys to ban and put explicitly in your platform: free advice from coach, you're welcome.
Okay, anime is number one, anime and Christmas.
No, no, no, no, of course not.
Number one is Coach Finstock.
Number two, I deserve that.
You are gonna ban, you are going to ban circumcision, and you're gonna ban dual citizenship for any elected politician in the United States of America.
That will knock their socks off and solve a pretty big problem at the same time.
Yeah, I saw the dual citizen thing come up a couple times, and I was just like, look at everybody on stage.
Yeah, we've uh uh we very clearly outlined how we feel on that subject.
Oh, I thought you were gonna say everybody on stage has a second passport.
I was like, oh, guys, all right, I'm trying.
No, I mean, in all seriousness, yeah, if uh, white Americans have the ability to lawfully get nationality in another country, either to give their kids employment options in the future or whatever, if it's legal and they give you that option, you'd kind of be a fool not to take it, even though I think in principle, dual citizenship is a forest, a scam, and should be outlawed.
Yeah, and it obviously only applies realistically to one country when it comes to uh you know positions like elected positions.
There's not a lot of dual citizens from Canada or you know the UK that we're having issues with, are we?
Nobody's too worried about you.
I don't know.
Ted Cruz is uh, I guess you're right.
I'm gonna go ahead and walk that back.
We're gonna ban Ted Cruz.
Very good.
I have a very serious question from the audience.
Someone named pulling it up here, Wolfie James.
And she asks, Have either Tony or Potato Smasher told their parents that they're gay yet?
How did that stick through the sentence?
Sorry.
Yes, meme.
You couldn't resist.
Gay, yes, meme.png.
All right, but that does beg a question.
Homosexual says, I'm all on board with everything that you guys are about, but I'm gay.
Either we know that gay women don't really exist.
No.
What rough thinking on homosexuality putting you on a hot spot here?
See, that would be a weird thing.
That would be a weird thing to just hit us up with.
Like, by the way, I'm a homo.
It's one of those things.
If I don't know, I, you know, and you don't tell me, it never has to come up.
So if you agree with 99% of our stuff, you're probably going to want to go ahead and keep that one to yourself because it's just going to make people feel a little strange.
I think this type of thinking, anyways, does not appeal to a homosexual, the type of society we imagine.
Generally speaking.
Yeah, generally speaking, in reality, that would make sense, but there's always been overlap.
And there's been strange groups that try to use the movement to, you know, get with young men.
And we always have to be wary of that and keep those people out.
Yeah, for sure.
All right.
We are at an hour, but I think this is still going well.
So I have a few other questions from the audience.
I did put the hat out for there were some jokey ones that I'll skip.
Listener Jack says, Mike made a few references to freedom of speech being a core component of the NJP's platform.
Do you see legal efforts via NJP to legitimize our speech via court challenges?
I mean, that's part of the point of having.
Yeah, we're going to have to, but that's kind of part of the point of having a legal organization.
You know, silencing a citizen, it's kind of like most people don't pay attention to that.
It doesn't make a wave, not even in a local community.
People just like, oh, yep, Bob is at it again.
Sure.
But when you silence a legal organization with enough support, even if it's only a couple thousand people, that's going to make some waves, especially if you have money coming into the organization.
Yeah, if there's actual support and they try to do it, that's a much bigger deal.
And that's one of those things.
Like, I think our message is going to grow fast regardless.
And if they actually tried to ban us and explicitly say, no, you cannot organize.
Well, I guess businesses are now.
PayPal is doing it.
You cannot organize on behalf of white people.
Go ahead and codify that.
Make that the explicit stance of the United States federal government.
And I think this thing's going to take off way quicker.
Yep.
I saw the meme on Twitter.
They banned him from Twitter and he came back with an entire political party referencing Mike.
That's right.
Let's ban the political party and see what comes back next.
Going to be the ethno state.
Listener Derek asks, please ask Smasher where I can find a wife that beautiful.
So that is a lighthearted and serious question that I honestly received and wanted to read it on the air for the benefit of you and your beautiful wife, buddy.
Wife Store.
WifeStore.com.
We passed a store called the Income Store the other day.
And so we stopped.
We picked up a lot more.
And that's what inspired that joke.
No, my wife and I met in high school and she was dumb enough to stay with me.
What an idiot.
Yeah, I know.
Two beautiful kids, and we hope many more.
One more big picture serious question from me, and then I'll turn it over to Sam and Dom for any other lingering things that I might have missed.
I can't go through every, I feel sorry for shaking the tree and not getting to every question, but we do want to keep this tight.
There was some legitimate, in my opinion, criticism of, and this was inevitable, that when you list and detail white grievances, victimhood,
You are essentially emphasizing the negative and arguing from a position of weakness or from victimhood, when big brains will say you should be positive and forward thinking and not get down in the weeds of James Fields and the thousands of beautiful young white lives that have been destroyed by diversity and by lack of policing and the anti-white animus that's whipped up among the non-white populace via the Jewish Controlled.
and owned mass media.
That said, how do you guys balance that between we are strong and positive looking versus we are victims with an axe to grind?
I'm not here to deny reality.
I'm here to bend it to my will.
Nice.
Would you ever?
I did see plenty of people having issues like that.
Imagine throwing like just casting someone aside that got run through the ringer by the Jewish court system.
Like that's exactly what we're fighting and that's what we aim to fight.
You literally cannot organize to go after something unless you point out the problem.
Sure.
So I've never understood.
I've seen that on Twitter all day today.
And I just, I don't understand.
Imagine trying to correct the sins and the horrors of Weimar without actually naming them and the offenders.
I wonder if people, yeah.
Oh my god, Hitler, could you just not talk about Jesus?
Don't know.
Enough with the Versailles.
You're making us look.
Get over World War I. If you tell people five years ago, dude, the Jews run the world and white people don't, you're a cuck.
Yes.
Well, I think you've got to bring up those things to show that you know what's going on, you know, because we, the listeners, we that these issues are what are moving us or outraging us.
So we want to hear that, especially thinking something like more of a normie, we want to hear that the person understands the problems like we do.
So you have to say those types of things.
How can you ever fix a problem if you don't identify it?
Yeah.
Exactly.
Only a total nerd would empathize with somebody.
Yep.
No, I think you guys cover it.
I absolutely agree.
No questions about it.
All right.
Sam, thank you for riding with us on this.
This is a full house special report.
I think we can classify it as that.
Sure is.
Honored to have you aboard.
Any last thoughts or questions for the guys?
Thank you.
It was a good discussion and very exciting time here we had.
Thanks, guys, especially Tony for joining us on the show.
Absolutely.
Tony's second appearance on Full House.
Dom, you were a little bit quiet tonight, but we had a lot of ground to cover.
Please, any last thoughts or questions for these guys?
Well, I just want to personally thank Smasher and Tony and the rest of the guys who founded the party for standing up and having the courage to do so and putting themselves out there like that.
I think the most important thing that any of us can do is to support these guys because they are doing it for us.
This is for us.
You know, a lot of people talk about this needs to be done, that needs to be done.
And I feel like I've heard it all, but very rarely does somebody put forth an honest and well-planned effort to actually do something that will affect positive change for our people.
So my hat's off to you guys, and you know where I'm at.
Damn straight.
They are essentially pledging their lives, their meager fortunes, and their sacred honor, not to get rich, not to get clout, but to do the right thing and to fill a glaring gap in our political system and for our people.
And for that, we do salute them.
So, Potato Smasher, thank you, sir, for stepping up to the plate.
And of course, for all of your, you've been on almost every Full House episode.
Thank you, buddy.
Yeah, dude.
I'm glad to do it.
You know, I love our people and I wouldn't be here without them.
It's been a wild ride.
The ride never ends, as Mr. Bone says.
Well, it does end one day, and then what happens is up to the religious debate.
And yeah, we'll do that.
We'll do another show on that.
And Tony, honored to have you on short notice.
And thank you so much for everything that you've given and continue to give and your precious white life on the way.
Absolutely, man.
Thanks for having me back on.
In closing, I'd just say I've never worked with a group of guys that I trust as fully as I do.
You know, this committee is made up of, honestly, it's a dream team of every person I would want on my side in this fight, you know.
And yeah, we're here.
We want to do this for everybody.
If you want to help us, please reach out.
And as Smasher said, it might take a second.
There's a lot of emails to get through, but any help is great, man.
We appreciate it.
And the website, of course, is nationaljusticeparty.com.
And what is the email address that you would like people to reach out if they want to help?
It is the nationaljusticeparty at protonmail.com.
The website may still say National Justice Party events, and that's fine.
They're all under the same ProtonMail account.
But I will be sending email outs from the National Justice Party and trying to slowly segregate the events portion to just for events.
Good stuff.
If you send an email to any of the National Justice emails, they will make it.
All right.
And we'll put them in the show notes too.
Get you guys some more spam instead of all these good people coming out of the woodwork.
See, we add value here at Full House.
No, I'm joking.
All right, gentlemen, Godspeed.
You know, you have currently thousands of people rooting for you or wanting to support you.
And God willing, you will have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, and millions both here and around the world rooting for you and toiling for the cause in the coming months and years.
So Full House episode 60 was taped on a quite pleasant, cool, late August evening, August 20th, 2020.
I don't know if you could hear crickets or cicadas, but I was outdoors again in the gazebo, and it's a good time to be alive, and I'm grateful for it.
And all you should be as well.
And make more beautiful, precious white babies while you're supporting NJP.
Maybe not the same time, but you know what I mean.
So to all Americans sick and tired of the lawlessness, the anti-white hatred, the corruption, the invasion, the 2% controlling upwards of 95%.
Give the NJP, the National Justice Party, some consideration, and we salute you.
All right, laddies.
Thank you, Mr. Producer.
As always, outstanding editing, guidance, feedback.
We love you and your new one on the way to.
And I don't think you guys have a party anthem yet.
So I was tempted to put on the poll theme song, as edgy as that is, because it's pretty badass.
But our pal Nat Scott suggested this one at the very last minute.
And it's by Rome.
And it's called One Lions Roar.
So add that to your to-do list, guys.
Party logo, party anthem.
And until that day, this one will have to do.
Thank you all.
And we will talk to you.
We love you.
And we will talk to you next week.
Go ahead, Smasher.
You're still on the job.
See ya.
See ya.
We love you, everybody.
Support the NJP.
I just step aside for every God knows Everything will crumble under his blows You think yourselves weak, pathetic, and overrun And that all you've bled for is coming undone So go kneel and wave and join the herd
You know a million sheep will be dispersed by one lions roar by one lions roar.
Oh, you go out there and bow to none and cause a stir as if it were the last one.
Curse them into hiding.
These thieves won't believe the way we're riding.
So go kneel and wait and join the herd.
You know a million sheep will be dispersed by one lions roar by one lions roar.
It's a gun the way and join the herd.
You know a million sheep will be dispersed.
Go kneel and wait and join the herd.
You know a million sheep will be dispersed by one lions roar, by one lions roaring wait and join the herd.
You know a million sheep will be dispersed, Or by one lions roar, by one lions roaring wait.
We know a million sheep will be dispersed by one lion's roar,