Three years ago, many hundreds of brave and righteous white men and women assembled in Thomas Jefferson's old stomping grounds in Charlottesville, Virginia to protest against historical desecration, advocate for white interests, and make a show of force by standing with their friends.
What transpired there that sweltering day in August 2017 shocked even the most jaded and cynical among us.
It was unquestionably a state conspiracy to enable a riot through deliberate negligence, all in order to justify a state of emergency declaration and thus deprive the peaceably assembled their right to petition for a redress of grievances.
TJ did roll over in his grave up at Monticello that day.
This week, our veterans will relive that day, not to tell you what you already know, but to give you a vivid experience of what it was like to be there for one of the most important events of the last decade, as well as look back and evaluate the ville with the benefit of three years' hindsight.
Mr Producer Action.
Welcome everyone
to episode 59 of Full House, the world's most battle-scarred show for white fathers, aspiring ones and the whole Biofan.
I am, as always, your stained fingers host, Coach Finstock.
I was husking walnuts out on the deck with my daughter today, back with another two hours dedicated to all of our Charlottesville veterans.
No donations this week, but that's okay.
We're just four days out from our last show that we recorded on Sunday night, so we won't be too butthurt about it.
In just those four days, though, we got some major new white life announcements, which we can't wait to share with you in the second half.
So let's get on with the show.
First up, he refused to go to Charlottesville because he said it wasn't hardcore enough.
Oh, man.
Sam.
Is that true?
No.
No, no, I would have loved to have been there, but it just didn't work out at that time.
Tom and Sven went to the beach together.
Yeah.
But hey, just to just to tell you a little snapshot of how things are as of today, anyways, I made a funny, I was meeting with some industry people and then we were talking.
And these guys here just wanted to talk about politics.
So they start talking about politics and Biden and Kamala Harris.
And they knew about that, what is it, Hamilton Brown was the slave owner, big slave owner in Jamaica, and that was the ancestor of Kamala Harris.
And so they're talking all that up.
And, you know, these guys are like Magapi type level guys, you know, so I, and they're saying, yeah, and she's married to a white dude.
And I was like, I was like gesturing with my hands.
I'm like, guys, and they're like, what?
I said, you.
And oh, they all roared with laughter.
I could have taken over this organization just based on that one joke and they would have been supporting me.
I mean, this is people are ready for this mentality.
That's right.
Yeah.
Kamala, I forget.
Yeah.
Kamala's got an Indian father.
Or wait.
Was it a Jamaican father and an Indian mother?
Yes.
Yes.
And she's married to a Jew.
Yeah.
She is.
Oh, man.
Man.
Oh, man.
If you thought Obama years were exciting, buckle up.
The acceleration is choice.
Not that we are that, of course, you know, but man.
All right.
Good for you, Sam.
Thank you for that.
Next up, ask him about his time in the ville, and he's likely to respond, what did you just say about me, you little twerp?
I'll have you know, I graduated top of my class in National Socialism University, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Antifa, and I have over 300 confirmed doxes.
I'm trained in information warfare, and I'm the top gunner in the entire dissident right.
You're nothing to me, but just another target.
I will wipe you out with the precision of lakes, which has never been seen before on Earth.
Mark my words.
He usually keeps going, but we don't have time to quote all that copypasta.
Potato Smasher, welcome back.
Jews will not replace us.
Jews will not replace us.
Yeah.
You did recognize the Navy SEAL copypasta, right?
I hope.
I took out some of the F-bombs, but that's straight from it.
Just for the audience's benefit.
Did you?
Yeah, go ahead.
I'd just like to dedicate this show to a woman.
I'm very proud of her.
Three years ago, she quit smoking.
And that woman is Heather Heyer.
Hey.
Three years clean.
Probably lost a lot of weight now, too.
Yeah, Chris Brown is, or Michael Brown is six years clean on crime, too, I heard.
Yeah.
Did you do you did the torchlit march too, Smasher?
I actually did not do the torchlit march at Unite the Right, only because of a distancing issue of where we were.
Right.
I did the OG torch march, though.
Same here.
Yeah, we didn't know each other back then.
No, we did not.
Shoulder to shoulder, strangers in the night.
All right.
No homo.
Two ships passing.
Next up, he swears he was at Seaville, but have you ever actually seen him and James Field in the same room at the same time?
Some claim he was never really there and that this is all performance art.
Others claim he was secretly the brains behind the whole operation.
Our man of mystery, J.O. De La Ray.
How's it going, pal?
Hey.
Yeah, I'm glad to be back.
No, that was a hologram of me that you saw out there.
J.O.'s just rubbing his temples the whole time, looking exasperated.
No.
Fun fact, after Seaville, J.O. and I were hanging out, I don't know, it was like a week or two later, and we were watching that Vice documentary and just rolling our asses off like, holy cow, man.
That was a different time.
It was an amazing time.
It certainly was.
Older and hopefully wiser we are, my friend.
All right.
And finally, from the Ozarks to Niagara Falls, from the basements to the walls, till the sweat pours off his, I will stop right there.
Making his second appearance on Full House, a fellow old school hip-hop enthusiast, Seaville veteran, and of course, joining us from the great American houseboat.
It is the host of Exodus Americanus, Roscoe Jones.
Welcome back, pal.
Wes Bellamy is still a needle.
He's not, though.
Is he still in Charlottesville?
Is he still employed by them?
Are you going to hire him?
No, good point.
Yeah, that city has been through some upheaval and the police chief lost his job in the aftermath of that and the Hefey report.
The mayor, Signer, signer, whatever the hell his name was, he quit to go work some cushy job, right?
Yeah, I'm sure that I count Griffs as still being government employed.
Oh, yeah.
That's the revolving door, right?
Yeah.
Government to industry to NGOs, they always back them up with a little sinecure no matter what happens.
So we'll do a little research on Mr. Bellamy and put that in the show notes, see what he's up to these days.
But anyway, Roscoe, up at the top, you recently had a little.
Yeah, go ahead.
Oh, sorry.
I don't know.
I don't know if I missed you there.
Anyway, Roscoe, up at the top, you had a little bit of a thermonuclear industrial mishap on the home front the other day.
And the people, our people, came through for you, man.
Share whatever you want about that.
Well, I just want to say real quick that, Roxco, have you learned your lesson about storing ammonium nitrate in your attic?
Oh, don't you?
Wee-woo, wee-woo, wee-woo.
No, we've got a few barrels of anorite, and it's firework season, and one thing leads to another.
Yeah.
Is this a Lebanese house boat?
What are we doing out here?
Fireworks and fertilizer show title.
Yeah, I didn't know Beirut this year.
Roscoe's got to be Roscoe's got internet through a string and tin cans like me tonight, I think.
Go ahead.
Oh, yeah.
I was just saying, you know, like our entire HVAC system pretty much from top to bottom imploded.
You know, if it's just me, that's not really a big deal.
I'll just get a window unit and put it in my bedroom and hang out in there until, you know, until I have enough money saved up to take care of it.
But watching the toddler wander around the house with sweat dripping off of him.
Had to had to call somebody in, had to try to do what we could to get it fixed.
Yep, not optional this time of year.
Yeah.
I swear, like every day for two weeks, it was 90, 95 plus.
We have to keep our air conditioning on just for our dog, but go ahead.
When people ask me, you know, do you prefer the hot or cold?
I'm like, the cold every time because I can only get so naked.
There's always more clothing to put on.
That's right.
Once you know how to like dress for cold weather, like you have a system for it, it's not bad.
Yeah, exactly.
But the heat management 62 in the winter and 78 in the summer.
No, with the window units, you can blast that cold stuff and not worry about cooling a whole house and killing your electric bill.
But anyway, Roscoe, let's start with you, our special guest.
And I actually have no idea what your experience at the Ville was.
I have a little bit of an idea about JO and yeah, start.
Well, I'll give a little bit of context first, loquacious man that I am.
And just wanted to, like, for a little bit of context, it's extremely easy to go back and look at Seaville and say, oh, you guys were set up.
It was always going to be that way.
Like, you should have known better.
You screwed it all up, right?
That was the high watermark of your event.
You walked right into a trap and fell into it.
Forget how many successful, safe, inspiring events preceded Charlottesville in the year, maybe two years.
There's a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks wanting to say that they knew it all along.
You're just lying.
You're lying and nobody's impressed.
Sure.
And we knew that it could possibly or even likely be a hairy scenario.
And that's why so many people showed up with shields and goggles and helmets, not to rumble, but to defend themselves.
And I even had a close friend a couple weeks out from the event just like stop me and like look in my eyes and put his hand on my shoulder and be like, Coach, I really think you shouldn't go.
I think it's going to be a setup.
And I took his advice and I said, you know what?
I don't care.
My friends are going and I'm an American.
And in theory, I have these constitutional rights.
And if I can't walk into an American city with good noble intentions, we're not bullshitting you, dear listener, about our nonviolent intent that day.
I guarantee you the vast majority of people who went there that day wanted one, to not get assaulted, two, to not get arrested, three, to not get doxxed, and four, to just go in, enjoy it, put on a good show for the cause, for our virtues, and get the hell out of there and go have some cold ones.
And I am not lying about that.
That's straight from the heart.
However, preceding Charlottesville, there were a ton of events.
The Syria anti-war rally, Charlottesville one, which was sort of a flash demo that went off without a hitch.
A couple commies showed up and like yelled at us and then we got out of Dodge.
We had a torchlit rally at Lee Statue.
There was the Dick Talks, the Richard Spencer college tour that actually at the time went off very well, was managed and was inspirational to us.
Identity Europa was doing rallies everywhere and flash mobs.
So there was a reasonable expectation that we were going to go in there and the cops were going to do their jobs and we would be able to pull it off again.
But that was not the case.
And I'll shut up there and pick it up later.
But Roscoe, let us know a little bit like in the run-up to it, what you were thinking.
And I don't know, you don't have to say who you went with or whatever, but take us back to August, whatever it was, 11th, 2017.
Well, I was super excited because I didn't go to an event that had happened a little bit, a little bit before that because it was way too close to home and I would have been way too recognized.
But, you know, I was just super excited.
I was going to see all my friends.
I'd gotten a buddy who wasn't really one of us to come with me just because, you know, he's a very, he's kind of a Confederate net, if you will.
Sure.
There were a lot of people.
And there were a lot of those people there.
Yeah.
Well, he is 100% one of us these days because he got a little bit of an education.
Yeah, you could see a lot of those people there when we, I will, I won't jump the shark or get out of order here, but walking up there, there was this chubby, goofy kid with a small Confederate flag statue in one hand and a roller cooler full of waters and soft drinks in it.
Like he was going to the park to bring some cold drinks for his friends.
And I remember seeing him and there was one guy who was dressed like RoboCop before he went to the park and we were like, oh, that's bad optics, man.
Yeah, you're stupid.
You know, why are you dressing up like that?
And then there was this guy.
So you had the whole spectrum of people like expecting to get hit in the head with a brick to go for a good intent.
It was all over the spectrum.
Dude, I was so sure that it was going to like, I was like, you know what?
This is America, you know?
Like the police will keep everybody separate.
We'll go and do our thing and then we'll leave.
All these guys that are kitted out for battle, you know, they're just going too hard.
So I showed up with a with a clipboard and a baseball cap.
That was all that I had on me.
Were you taking notes?
Were you going to write it up?
Or was that just part of the costume?
I was calling plays.
It seemed like a good idea at the time, right?
He's scratching stuff out like Pat Riley on the sideline with the dry rings on his clipboard.
I wanted to do like a write-up about it.
I wanted to have like real clear recollections like to talk about on the show.
And of course, that clipboard was pried out of my hands while I was trying to get through the line of communist agitators just to get into Lee Park.
Yep.
Yeah.
People, go ahead, sorry.
One of the things that was so amazing from that, like my parents were pretty reticent about all of this stuff that I was involved in back then.
And they wanted to watch.
They wanted to watch everything that happened.
So they, I know they had their laptop out with a stream going.
They had a different stream going on YouTube.
I think my sister had her phone out.
Like they, they're watching, you know, to see what actually happened.
Maybe history in the making, which of course it was.
Yeah.
And by the time that they watched everything happen live and then saw the news reports, they had this weird kind of realization, like, holy crap on a crack.
Does the media lie?
Like the media is intentionally lying to try to get pro-white people killed.
Including Fox News.
Yep.
We watched Fox News after it and we were like, really?
Like we thought maybe they would give us a fair shake.
No, sir.
They trotted out the cucks right off the bat to tut-tut.
One quick point, and then we'll go to Smasher Sam and Jayo.
A lot of other people say, oh, you know, you were fools for forecasting your moves and meeting with the police and setting a date and having flyers.
You should have just done a flash, a flash mob like before.
But if you think about it, what is more likely to be legitimate and to be protected and to be organized and safe than something that you communicate to the authorities?
Now, I know, I know, yeah, it sounds naive now, but you talk to the police, you talk to the city government.
They've done their jobs.
Other cities, other counties, other states had done their job correctly to that point.
Exactly.
Yeah, we had a precedent of it works.
And even when they pulled the permit from Kessler, and then he won again in court.
So it was like, well, they've literally just told us that it is within our rights and legitimate and legal.
So, you know.
Yeah, the blessing of a higher court saying not just that you can't move it.
Yeah, you can't shut it down.
It's going forth where it was planned, forecast for weeks, if not months, with advanced planning.
Here you go.
And yet what you saw on the ground, of course, was a horse of a different color.
None of us, I don't think, were at the torchlit march.
And that's another important factor here because I don't think Joe minds me sharing that.
We were at the beach.
We were on a beach vacation the week before, split off that Friday to go be there in advance, get ready and to possibly participate in the torchlit march.
And the rest of us, myself and a few others, stayed behind and we were just going to show up on Saturday morning because of families and all the rest of it.
It wasn't because we didn't want to be there.
And watching that torchlit march footage on Friday night was absolutely awe-inspiring.
It was like we were kicking ourselves in the ass for not being there.
And it was, it turbocharged everybody's expectations for the next day.
I think the torchlit march probably goosed attendance by easily several hundred people because of how well that went.
I mean, all things considered, there was a little bit of a fracas, but it just looked spectacular.
And it was a great, powerful, moving, non-cucky show of force.
So yeah, that's, that's also overlooked as a factor in everybody coming out.
But Sam, let's go to you real quick.
And you're me, Aculpa, for not being there.
I'm joking, of course, but yeah, how did you perceive it?
And you had stuff going on.
There is certainly a power in being able to announce the thing and pull it off.
So I can't fault it for that.
You know, Stormfront used to have an annual conference, and I've been to those before, and it would be an announced thing, the date everything was announced.
It was kind of remote.
So, like, if you wanted to go there to mess with us, you'd really have to, you'd have to really be committed to do it.
But, but, you know, it was announced and, you know, people attended and it was pulled off without a hitch.
And there was, and, and by doing it year after year, you establish yourself, you know, and so there's a real power in that.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
We, we set the world on its ear and it was, you know, I was in the Discord server and saw the chitter chatter.
I wasn't active in there at all.
I was just sort of keeping track for what I needed to know, where to be and when, logistics and stuff like that.
But it was a sort of ragtag operation with many moving parts, many chefs in the kitchen, and very last-minute communication about where to be and how to get there.
And yet, merely the fact of several hundred, I don't know what the honest count is.
There were a ton of people there on our side.
Never seen so many of our guys in one place assembled.
And hopefully I will see more than that in the future.
But just that showing up in a park and, of course, the fracas that resulted from deliberate negligence and, of course, vicious, snarling, hostile rank commies and antifa, it set the news cycle for weeks and months.
And don't forget that when Trump appeared in Trump Tower, maybe three or four days after the event, you know, he gave some sort of boilerplate disapproval, disapproving comments at first.
But we got the president of the United States at the time to give the most explicitly or implicitly pro-white comments that you probably ever heard a U.S. president utter at the time.
That was like the high watermark of Trump's presidency when he came out and said there were good people on both sides and he did play a little bit of a diplomat and grant us some legitimacy.
So when that happened, we thought everything was fine and dandy.
But alas, we on our side could not keep unity and messaging and not snipe at each other.
And instead, we attacked each other and went down the optics hole.
But Smasher, let us know you were there and I'll let you put it in your own words.
Well, just to touch on the Torch March and tying this in with the whole communication thing, we were like an hour and 20 minutes away from Charlottesville, thereabouts.
And so by the time we actually got the details for the Torch March, we couldn't have even made it.
The whole thing was just a total show as far as planning goes.
It was actually so bad.
It drove my organizational autism to the very edge that I quit Discord at that point and I never got on Discord again.
And this was before everybody was like, get off of Discord.
Months before people were quitting Discord because of like leaks and whatever, you know, not just from Unite the Right, but from however many other channels.
And at that point, I got off Discord and I never got back on it just because the planning was so bad I couldn't handle it.
I was like, look, I got a guy.
I'll get my information from him and I'll just be there.
And so that's what I did with the people that I went with.
I went with 50 some odd people.
And it was a good time.
We went in.
We fought our way through the gauntlet.
We actually marched through right in the park that was next to Lee Park.
It was this tiny one.
I can't remember what it was.
There was like there, some like different diversity thing.
And we marched straight through the center of their thing, through the tents and everything.
And people were like, you can't be here.
You can't be here.
And I was like, you can't be here.
And we're here.
Deal with it.
And we're just going right over there.
Just, you know, where you see all those people.
We're just going right there.
Don't worry about it.
And they were spitting mad.
And we just marched our happy asses through.
Got hit with frozen water bottles.
Going into Lee Park, Cantwell was right in front of me.
And the very first time that he got maced was right in front of me.
And I got a bunch.
I never, I didn't get maced, but I got a bunch of mace that bounced off a Cantwell and hit me.
It was great to get Cantwell's sweaty mace.
You got secondhand Cantwell all over you.
Yeah.
But all the, you know, all the meth in his sweat really energized me.
Don't do that.
I kid.
At the time, no, at the time, he was doing very well, very legitimate.
Yeah.
No, he got a rough deal all around from the system as well as from our people, in my opinion.
No, he did.
He got screwed over hard.
So you got there.
Were you there early en masse and then you were in the park for the whole thing and then made the escape?
We were in the middle of the pack that arrived.
Okay.
I don't know exactly how that all worked out, who decided what, but they just at one point called.
They're like, your group, you're good.
And so that's what we did.
And so things were had, I shouldn't say they had already started.
They were kind of just starting when we got there.
And then, yeah, we were in the middle of the park, hung out on the steps for a little bit trying to open them up.
And then, yeah, they declared a state of emergency.
It turned into a complete human logistical show.
And so I kind of just took my people and had them get into like a rough formation and we started marching.
And a bunch of people were like, follow them.
Do what they're doing.
They know what they're doing.
Yeah.
So that kind of got people moving in an almost uniform speed and helped evacuate the park a lot faster, which was cool to see people like uniting, ironically.
Yeah, right.
For the last time.
Yeah, I never thought the event was going to unite the right wing of the United States, of course, but I did have high expectations before and after that it was going to unite our side by seeing that treachery, perfidy, and evil, you know, up close and personal.
You know, you know what these people are like from the internet, of course, and you may see them walking around the town.
And back then, there weren't nationwide race riots and statues getting hauled down left and right.
But to be there that day and to see it and smell it was something else.
Go to JO real quick and then back to Roscoe.
JO, we were together the week before and it was kind of like, you know, we were on vacation, but it was the calm before the storm.
There was a little bit of tension, you know, overlooking that whole week.
I was pretty comfortable with it going in.
I didn't think it was going to be that bad.
And honestly, like my experience with it wasn't that bad.
My whole thing was get Mike in and out of here and be risk averse, right?
I wasn't going to be a frontline guy.
I had a different duty.
I'm the reason Mike wasn't at the torch march.
I said, listen, I think they're going to have combustible water balloons.
I think they're going to have water balloons full of gasoline throwing them at us.
And that didn't happen, thank God.
But that's what I figured their plan was.
Well, yeah, our side barely knew it was going to happen, let alone the other side, right?
That was also the amazing thing about the Torchlit March was how many people came together and how good it was.
The spontaneous order of it.
Yep.
But yeah, roll in there.
And, you know, I've told the story several times.
Roll in there.
TWP's protecting the line on the way in.
And there's all kinds of stuff being thrown at us.
And like Cesar is like giving brave heart speeches on the, on the, on the, what I'll call the wrong side of the shield wall.
Like he's just getting peppered with stuff and kanked in the head or whatever, paying no attention.
Total man's game.
And NSM is like a couple people in front of us in this line, and they've got those vertical standards with the 1488 and the eagle on top of it.
You're like, oh, it's rock and roll, man.
We get into the park, get into the one side, swing around to the other side.
They declare the state of emergency.
We're some of the first people out.
I call for shields.
A bunch of people answer it and we walk out of there.
Mike was at the front of the line back to McIntyre.
First in, first out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And some girl is like yelling at him, walking backwards down the street.
And she's holding up this newspaper picture of a Muslim woman with an American flag hijab on.
And Mike's like, that's your argument?
That's a Pepsi ad.
I just took, took, took the wind out of her sails.
And then we get back and we get back to the house that we were staying in.
And the minute I walk in the door, all the coverage is on Fox News.
And I see a buddy of mine, like, some dude tries to hit him with a piece of wood and he slugs the guy.
And it's on like this 60-second loop.
So every 60 seconds, you get to see it.
He's there in the room with us, you know.
And that was all funny stuff.
At the time, though, like in the immediate aftermath, even though, of course, it was a show of chaos and it got shut down.
Maybe I was too optimistic or too high on life that day, but it still felt like a victory that we showed up at the first time.
It was fun.
I got to meet a lot of people for the first time.
I got to see a lot of people for the second time.
That was the second time I had ever seen Roscoe, right?
So you see some people you recognize and, you know, people want to get a selfie.
And, you know, you exchange contact information with people.
And it was like a big fat party to me.
And that's easy to say because I wasn't like a frontline guy.
I didn't have a shield in my hand.
I didn't get cracked over the head.
I didn't get thrown in prison.
You know, we were our job was to be risk averse.
And it's crazy to think that any one of us who were there that day could have either gotten killed or gotten hemmed up on some bullshit.
Yeah.
It was just a really terrible thing.
I believe that's when I met Smasher was at Seaville.
Yeah, that was the first time.
Yeah.
And I remember before rolling into Lee Park, before getting into the vans, you know, this thunderous and amazing prayer that Fair Use.
Oh, man, what a guy.
I love that guy.
And he had all of that warrior passion.
I was like, I'm finna convert, son.
It's going down.
But that's where I met him.
That's where I met a ton of people.
But a funny Roscoe-related story is that following Monday, Roscoe is like, hey, I got some pretty good video that I found from Seaville of some retarded faggot chanting Blue Lives Matter.
And he sends me a link to this video, and it's him.
It's like before everything melted down.
He's there with like five or ten dudes, and it's as people are going into the park before the cops stabbed us in the back.
And Roscoe starts a Blue Lives Matter chant.
There's like, you know, 200 guys.
The best chant of the day.
And I'll drop the link so that maybe we can put it in the show notes, but I'd hate to see it get showed.
The best chant of the day was: we're probably going to have to bleep this out, but it's before, we're definitely going to have to bleep it out.
But it was before everything really got ugly, as the sides were lining up, as like the first bash or two of our guys got into the park and they're chanting, you fill it very, very demoralizing to the enemy.
Yeah, it was like a bunch of Scotsmen up on a hill, you know, mooning the enemy.
Yeah, and they're like beating their shields for the da-da-da-da-da.
Yeah, I speaking of the shields, man, I want to personally thank every single guy who was there and whom some of them I'm sure are listening for doing that, for bringing the shields, for being those overprepared guys.
Another friend separately before the event said, hey, coach, you know, how about you and your friends?
Like, you know, we've got some extra shields.
We can give them to you.
And I'm like, no, like, we don't need them.
Like, we're just going to listen to speeches, pal.
Like, you're going overboard.
And I wasn't, I wasn't like trying to be too cool or look too good that day.
I really thought that that would look bad and would be unnecessary because it would be like Fort Knox or some sort of, you know, militarized zone, which, of course, it was a demilitarized zone minus like the peace between North and South Korea.
But yeah, let's go back to Roscoe for anything else searing from that day or anything else you want to add, pal.
Well, I walked an absolute tightrope that day.
Like I was on numerous streams.
I was on a couple of really, really big streams where everybody got to see me start a Blue Lives Matter chant.
Wait, at the time, was it sincere or were you trolling?
Well, time and a place.
It was sincere.
It was as like all the police were marching in.
You know, we're cheering them on, letting them know, like, hey, we, we love our cops, man.
We're just like baked Alaska.
Yeah, I'm, I'm guilty of that as well.
As we were marching in, we were like thanking the cops because at the time it had appeared like they were actually holding a line.
And by the end of the day, we were all just like those.
Yeah, I thought I might see some skirmishes where the cops end up having to smack some commies around and, you know, drag them off in cuffs.
And maybe there's some mace or a flashbang.
And we have this nice, you know, square of protection around us because there was more than enough of them there to get the job done.
Exactly.
And yeah, when we rolled in, I'll give a little color commentary here, take you back.
I've been looking forward to talking about this.
I came on the daily show at the day after to give a quick like 10-minute synopsis from Guy on the ground back then.
But we had something like 18 or 20 friends meet at this one hotel outside Charlottesville, not too far out.
It was just like we had two rooms.
And then there were these last minute add-ons.
It was funny.
As the event got closer, I kept getting like, hey, do you mind if I like join you guys?
Or I got a friend who's going, but he doesn't have anybody.
Do you mind if he comes along?
And it's like, yeah, as long as he's solid and isn't going to screw anything up.
So we had something like 18 or 20 guys crammed into one hotel room, all getting ready for, I'm going to put this in air quotes, battle because we knew that we were going into a hot zone and then it was going to be a big deal.
I would say the vast majority of guys just didn't want to get docks.
That was like the primary concern.
Some guys had more defensive gear than others.
We were getting our, we had walkie-talkies that we were getting synced up.
And the clock was running out.
We're waiting for our last few stragglers.
And we all geared up, backpacks.
We had defensive stuff in our bags.
I had a hard hat, gloves in my bag.
I had a mouth guard in my bag just in case.
I was debating whether to bring my phone or not because I didn't know if the feds were going to be tracking people who were attending this rally.
And in the end, I was like, you know what?
I need to have a phone on me and I'm going to bring all this stuff in my backpack just in case.
But I'm going to go in with a hat, sunglasses, and just looking like a normal dude to listen to some speeches.
So we sack up and get in a couple trucks, go to McIntyre, and we happen to get like the last two or three parking spots there and bought the last shuttle in.
God bless those guys who were running the shuttles that day.
Good guys, confidence inspiring, the standard spot.
And we're walking all together in the streets and the back streets approaching Lee Park were pretty placid.
I remember seeing like a priest who looked like he was about to cry.
He was all frocked up.
He had his little white collar on.
You know, basically just people who were curious and watching.
And some people had signs and we're feeling good.
And then we get to an intersection and that was when the riot police, the Virginia State Police, start crossing by.
And it wasn't just us.
It was a bunch of other people going at the same time.
And the same thing happened.
The Blue Lives Matter chant went up.
And I didn't participate, A, because I was preoccupied.
And B, because I was a little bit jaded even back then or cynical.
And they're marching by.
And like Mr. Producer says, I thought they were going to crush the Antifa.
Whoops.
Yep.
Same here.
Everybody there saw that at the moment as a good sign of armed order arriving to let this thing go forward.
And boy, were we wrong.
So we, after they pass and the chant goes up, we continue on our way.
Now we have no idea that a state of emergency has been declared.
Like one guy on the corner was like, hey, y'all, a state of emergency has been declared.
And we're like, okay, you're just some guy in a street corner.
We're not just going to go home.
And as we turn the corner and we're walking up, we see what an absolute shit show it is with just total chaos in the streets under the diversity makes us stronger banner.
God, what a good picture.
Perfect.
It's like the scene at the end of Jurassic Park when he bellows and it's like when dinosaurs ruled the earth and that, you know, the banner falls.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So, and one of our guys has a GoPro.
I still, I still have the footage.
I haven't watched it in a long time, but just 30 minutes, 30 minutes of vivid experience from start to end.
And we're walking up to the park and then we're like, are those our guys?
Oh, no, those aren't our guys.
And then one guy says, get ready because it's clear they're hostile.
So we're marching.
We're marching toward the park, no offensive intent.
And one of our pals has like a hat on.
And one of the commies steals his hat and throws it into the crowd, sort of as a hot potato.
And at that moment, I remember in the split second thinking, we need to get into the park, but that's my buddy's hat.
Right.
So I've got a walkie-talkie in one hand and one spare hand and a big backpack on.
And I'm just like, hey, that's my friend's hat.
I'm going in to get it.
And I'm patting myself on the back here a little bit.
It was like a momentary alt-right heroism from back in the day.
I go in to reach for his hat, and you can see me reaching into the crowd.
And he got these guys in balaclavas holding clubs, basically all wooden clubs, big, thick wooden clubs.
I'm reaching for it.
And I remember doing that.
And then I got clapped on the head really hard once, twice, maybe three times to the point where I could instantly feel my head swelling up.
My sunglasses fell off.
And at that point, I was like, okay, the hat is not really my number one priority right now.
And in that moment, as I'm like arguably in mortal danger, my thoughts still at that time was back to, do I take the time to go pick up those sunglasses?
So, you know, A, they were, they were Ray-Bans and B, like, you know, I kind of need them to shield myself.
So I bend over to get the sunglasses, pick them up.
And then as I'm backing out of that crowd, I bump into my buddy who has the GoPro and then I feel a little pop in my knee.
So I blow my ACL.
I learned later that I had blown my ACL out.
Turns out my buddy got gashed really bad there, got his hat back.
So he wasn't worried about his sunglasses.
He got his hat back.
Thankfully, it wasn't a totally lost cause.
And then we extract ourselves from that melee.
And some guys behind us, like nothing happened.
Like it was just a localized fracas.
And then we get out of that and we're like right at the corner and we're walking up to the park.
And who do you see but those beautiful handsome shield maidens or shield lads guarding the park?
And they can see that we're totally our guys and one of us is bleeding and they part ways to let us in there.
And that was, and by that point, the Virginia State Police had already assembled in the park and they were circled around the statue, ironically.
The statue that we were there to protest not coming down, that all we wanted was the law to be upheld for that not to be desecrated.
It's on Virginia state law, or at least it was.
And then they start pushing out.
And then you get the guys on the bullhorn saying, a state of emergency has been declared.
If you want to get arrested for civil disobedience, stay.
If you do not want to get arrested, leave.
And then all of our buddies, we just looked at each other.
Before we went to the park, we had like a brief sort of huddle.
And we were like, our objectives are don't get doxed, don't get arrested, don't get, you know, don't get in a fight, don't do anything stupid.
We're just going there to listen to speeches and get the hell out of there.
And one guy, I'll also remember, I won't say his name, of course, and he's a big guy who can handle himself.
He's like, I'll even take a punch and not punch back to avoid getting hemmed up on this day.
And fortunately, he didn't have to put that into practice.
But that's how willing we were to be civilly obedient, not disobedient.
You know what, Mike?
A cup and a fire extinguisher.
Black shoes and white socks.
Between me and the other guy taking responsibility for Mike's well-being, we had an umbrella, a fire extinguisher, and we were wearing cups and head mouthpieces.
This is so underrated.
Yeah, it really is.
And the cup is underrated for mental fortitude, too.
Just knowing you got that stuff protected makes you more of an ultimate.
Yeah.
And really just letting the commies sort of come in and assault us at Lee Park.
I was standing there and one of our dudes ended up getting basically trampled.
And, you know, that dumbass switch in my brain went off.
So I ran in and they'd taken this guy's shield and baton from him.
Yep.
And I managed to get both of those things back.
And I'm, you know, my, my skinny ass is in there ready to brawl.
You were like 70, 80 pounds at the time.
A lot of men conducted themselves in very brave and heroic ways throughout that day.
Like, maybe one day, dear listener, if we're ever sitting down for a beer, I could tell you 20 stories of brilliant and brave things I saw on the ground that day.
I've told a lot of the stories before.
You know, and it's just they've made it dangerous to even talk about this stuff.
But I saw a lot of bravery that day.
You didn't let me get to the punchline of my story because I'm cleared up.
I'm ready to throw down.
And one of our guys that was like a normal-sized human being just came up behind me and full Nelson to me and just dragged me away like luggage.
Back on the leash there, mad dog.
Yeah, when we got to McIntyre Park for EVAC, we all pile into our vehicles.
We're all at the same place and we start moving out.
And, you know, we're on our radios.
We're like trying to stick together and freaking out.
And then out of nowhere, the vehicle in front of me was a truck driven by one of our guys.
And Heimbach and a couple of his big dudes come out of nowhere, like basically just materialized.
And he just pops his head over the side of the truck.
He's like, Y'all mind if we ride along?
And we're like, We got 10 dudes in the back of this truck during a state of emergency.
We can't like five 200-plus-pound dunes in the back of this truck right on the top.
Yeah.
And he was like, Well, Diana, are y'all heading north?
You got a bunch of vehicles.
We're like, We're not heading north.
We're sorry.
He was like, Oh, no, okay.
Well, good luck.
And we're like, All right, see you.
Good luck.
Yeah, we had the same thing when we got back to McIntyre.
I'll go through the park and the escape maybe in the second half, but uh, we got back there and there were there were guys like desperate because the other thing is once they declared the state of emergency and then it quickly went around that if you were on the streets, clearly as part of the demonstration that you could get locked up or get arrested for disobeying.
You know, it was like martial law had been imposed.
Um, so everybody was scrambling to get the hell out of there.
I think it's important to remember that the way that they broke up the event, they made sure that they split us into as small of groups as they could.
Yeah.
And I was with, I was in the same group as uh baked Alaska and basically had to uh step over his writhing body after he got bear maced.
Yep.
And then within like the whole time, we're getting stuff rained on us.
When we exited the park, um, we made that initial right turn out of the park with a shield wall in front of us.
And I looked down at the intersection and there's like 200 commies, over 100, right?
And they're waving their red and black flags.
This is some particular group because they're not in the fracas down at the park, right?
They're at that intersection still.
They haven't come this way.
Like, okay, we have to find a way to get through that.
But then everyone starts pouring out of the park.
And what was, you know, 20 guys with shields and our little group of like six or eight people is now like 100 people.
And we just start walking down the street and that batch of commies at the intersection melted away.
And we walked back to McIntyre without incident other than a girl with a Pepsi ad.
Yep.
I saw baked Alaska get his eyes nuked.
And then a guy like standing right in front of me and my little squad got he was the recipient of the most grievous head wound that I've ever seen in person.
Like it was like his state of being in mind, like after his head wound, dude barely knew where he was, couldn't form cogent sentences.
Like Mr. Producer's wife and mine were applying, you know, emergency medical treatment for this guy.
And we were pretty sure that like he had bleeding in his brain because, you know, his eyes couldn't focus, couldn't answer any questions.
Like, we thought this guy was going to die.
And we went and asked the police officer, like, hey, man, like, you got to get an ambulance down here.
We've got a guy who might go into shock any minute now.
And this shoulder shrugs, shoulder shrugs.
That's all we got.
Oh, he called an ambulance.
He said, yeah, I'll send it to McIntyre Park, which we were still, you know, it was after you guys had gone through the wall of commies, they formed back up and were ready for a group of about 10 or 15 people.
And it was harrowing, like the amount of people right around me, right beside me that got busted open, that got sprayed down.
And there was a lot of that.
And I'll actually tell you what, too, we got even luckier.
Like, I don't know the area well enough to tell you how close to McIntyre Park we were.
But then some dudes just pull off to the side of the road and they're like, we have room for three.
And they, you know, they're, they're in this little car or whatever.
And they pulled over.
And I was like, how do I know you're with us?
And the guy looks and he knew our names.
You know, and I pulls down his shirt to show the Swazi tattoo.
You see this?
We're a friend.
He didn't go that far, but he was able to essentially exhibit some credentials.
Right.
He sticks his legs out of the car to show his Rhodesian shorts.
Right.
And we jumped in there, man.
And we got, you know, we have walked about two-thirds of the way back to McIntyre when we got a ride the rest of the way.
Yeah.
Inside the park.
Now, I'm not a veteran.
I haven't seen battle.
But I got a taste of foxhole solidarity that day.
Once we made it through the shield wall and it was clear that we were essentially in a semi-loosely defended, not armed, but a camp of our fellow travelers.
Every single person who was in there, aside from media snapping pictures, was my brother or my sister that day.
And also hats off to all the women who were there administering first aid and the guys too.
Those people I think probably didn't get enough credit for being there to help everybody.
McNab worked his ass off that day, man.
Yep.
Earned his keep.
But I just remember seeing there was this big burly guy with his shirt off and he actually did have a swastika tattoo on his chest.
And whatever semblance of like cringing at bad optics I may have had at one point at that time, I was like, every single person who's here from the skinny dweeb with his little black sun hat to the big burly guy with the bad optics tattoos is on my side that day.
And I really hoped at the time that that spirit could and would carry forward in the face of adversity.
And maybe we'll talk a little bit about, you know, we're kind of reliving war stories here and the glory time to be alive in that moment was something very special.
It reminds me of Hunter S. Thompson's quote about, you know, being alive in San Francisco in the 60s, you know, and at some point you could see the wave crest and then the water roll out.
That was for now, or at least at that point, our high watermark.
But yeah, go ahead.
Just speaking of bad optics, I remember the NSM shows up.
They group up, they form up, they're screaming and chanting and all sorts of stuff.
And then, you know, there's chaos everywhere, but there's a distinct silence coming from this massive group of dudes.
You know, they had, I don't know how many, 50, at least 50 dudes and all standing together, quiet.
So you could like sense the quiet and everybody looks over and then there stood their banner up and it was like 15, 20 feet tall.
And it had, you know, a big gold eagle and the big swastika and stuff.
And for being whatever the NSM may or may not be, that was incredible.
And I, everybody that saw it lost their minds cheering.
It was amazing.
Yeah, it has a big 1488 with an iron eagle on the top of this vertical standard.
And it was incredible.
Everyone that is considered like goon squad or bad optics saved our asses that day.
So that's why I was never willing to go too hard.
Right here, I'm right there with you, man, because the people that were carrying that banner, like after baked Alaska had almost gotten permanently blinded, after massive head wound Harry almost freaking died on the sidewalk, like our group had been whittled down and whittled down.
There were like five of us.
And that big ass standard rolls by and they're like, hey, let's go.
Guys, get in here.
And they put us right in the freaking middle of them and took us all the way to safety.
Yep.
Yep.
Did you all hear how me and Mr. Producer and our wives and a couple of people actually got out of there that day?
Go for it.
Well, there were no rides going back to where we had shuttled from at that point, like by the time that we got back.
So we were, we were SOL and JWF.
If you're picking up what I'm putting down, I'm racking my brain for JWF.
Jolly well.
Jews came to mind first, of course.
So we end up ducking down into this little cul-a sack because we've heard, you know, if you're on the streets, you're going to get locked up.
Right.
So we do, we do the smart thing and we call an Uber.
Hazard pricing times 1488.
Yeah.
So we're sitting there in the middle of a state of emergency in what's basically been a riot directed at getting us all freaking killed.
Yeah.
We're sitting there at the bench in this little, like at the circle down at the cul-de-sac.
We've got shields, batons, all kinds of other shit that we've picked up.
And the blackest Aunt Jemima Uber driver pulls up.
She doesn't ask us any questions, just happily drives her.
You look like some nice wet boys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was, man, what a, what an absolute day.
Yep.
Listening to the stories makes me just feel better and better about my decision to wear a bump helmet.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I got struck a couple times in the head and I was fine.
Not to brag, but you know, I would go back and worked overtime because I came like I was in very bad situations throughout the entire day.
And the only thing I came out with was my skin, like I had, like my skin kind of had that little stinging to it that kind of felt like sunburn.
It was actually like the mace and the gas and stuff.
Yep.
I felt weird for days going to work.
And I had told my unit, because I was still in the army at the time.
I told my unit, oh, yeah, my grandpa's about to die, which was true.
I was not lying.
And we're going to visit him.
That was where the lie was.
And everybody's like, oh, how was your Nazi rally?
And jokingly, I was just like, oh, yeah, it was great.
But I crashed my car and everybody at work was like, oh, yeah, that's funny.
Very good.
I felt too cool for school, but man, I was nervous for a few months after that.
And obviously.
Have you ever surprised a Normie by telling them you were there?
Yes.
Just today, as a matter of fact.
That's the best.
Yeah.
I was.
I actually, I surprised, I tried to surprise the Normie, and then it turned out he was our guy.
And he was like, oh, me too.
Oh, and I want to go on the record and say this.
Me and my good friend, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to call him now, Wes.
We used to like to make fun of this.
Like we did it as a bit, but I've heard people seriously try and be like, man, I was there.
I was there at the bill, and I'll never be the same man.
Like, I get in a crowd of people or something.
There's too many people, too much noise around.
Like, it weirds me out, man.
Like, don't act like you're a war veteran with PTSD because you went to Charlottesville.
Shut up.
Still, not entirely a lie.
That was a searing experience.
It wasn't PTSD worthy whatsoever, but to see that level of-swimming around like Colonel Kurtz and whatever the hell river that is right there, like popping your head up every now and then.
Yeah, but yeah, I want the listener, especially the guys who weren't there.
And I'm looking at you, Whitey McGee.
Whitey is like, I only get really sad and jealous when I hear about Charlottesville stories because he wasn't quite there yet.
There's a lot of guys.
But for all the Monday morning scum quarterbacks who tut-tutted good faith, there are also a ton of guys who saw that and either got righteously radicalized by it or came our way.
Or like our one pal said, I had no idea that there were so many people out there who thought the way I did and were willing to go to an event like that.
So I talked to one guy who he was hosting a big IRL thing at his house.
And he was like, yeah, I saw that on TV and I immediately went and joined IE.
Yep.
Exactly.
Yeah, there's no way through but through and victory goes to those who show up.
And we sure as hell showed up that day and conducted ourselves probably with excessive deference and order.
If you think about what we were under, Mr. Producer once said something we were thinking about doing something in Virginia and he's like, screw Virginia.
They tried to get me killed that day.
And that is virtually, literally true.
Check out the Heefee report.
I will add the Heefee report to the show notes, but it basically shows that the police chief wanted there to be chaos to give him the excuse to call for the state of emergency, which may have even been, I think it was in the works before there was evidence of chaos.
They wanted this to happen and they gambled with our scalps and in many cases, scalps and knees.
And I don't think any of our guys died that day aside from James Fields, who, of course, is, unless things change, going to be in prison for the rest of his life for being in a car, trying to get out of town, panicking when there was hundreds of the enemy on the street without consequence at the time there was a state of emergency declared.
And how many violent assaulting antifa were arrested, charged, and served time as a result of that day?
I know there was like a black guy or two who got charged and then got let out with a slap on the wrist, but less than five?
I don't know.
And part of that is a result of.
You spent 20 minutes in a cop car.
That's time served.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
And I know there are a lot of guys who wanted to press charges, but didn't.
It's illegal to hold black people accountable for their actions.
Right.
Yeah, that really was a precursor to everything we're seeing now.
They could get away with it scot-free, even in the Trump administration with a Republican Department of Justice.
And our guy is getting a lot of money.
We have an Antifa University professor go and talk to his class about the fact that he put a gun in a kid's face and then that kid hit the gas.
And yeah, none of that matters.
Yep.
So take our stories to heart.
We will do a little bit more in the second half.
Want to hear more from Roscoe.
JO's got a stem winder coming.
We've got Navigating the Collapse and more.
So, Mr. Producer, thank you, sir, for keeping us on track and being a good servant for our people.
Not for us, for our people.
And the break track this week is a track that I fantasize about blasting at a thousand decibels as all of us march back into Charlottesville.
Times a hundred heads and times a thousand order and planning.
This is Deutsch by German group called Icebreaker.
Don't go anywhere.
We will be right back.
This is Deutsch.
This is Deutsch.
Repeat this, this Deutsch.
This is Deutsch.
Names Reich and Quadrant, Kindergarten, Tinzald.
In my breakfast, Deutsche Steck.
Correct.
Perfect.
Fur sex beverage.
Target.
Exactly.
And this is Deutsch.
This is Deutsch.
Repeat this.
This Deutsch.
This is Deutsch.
This.
And welcome back to Full House episode 59, second half.
If that song didn't stir something in your blood or your loins, whatever it may be, you may want to see a doctor.
Seriously, the first time I heard that song was set to Wehrmacht Eastern Front footage put in the show notes, and I was hooked at that time.
Icebreaker, German group.
I don't know if they are based or not, but they have a lot of good stuff.
You should check them out.
We are one man down here in the second half.
Smasher asked me not to say anything.
So, of course, I have to say something, but he did an Irish goodbye for the second half.
He's got a lot going on.
We wish him well.
And he did.
Let's be honest.
I murdered him.
You got to him first.
Yeah, he was on my list.
As my computer crapped out, I told him, I was like, just go ahead, do the show.
It's fine.
And he sounded like he was being held hostage in Baghdad during the first Gulf War and like reading words off of a screen.
Probably chafing at Mr. Producer.
Like, just wrap it up.
Just wrap it up, Smasher.
Anyway, we have our good pal Roscoe back in the saddle with us tonight.
Honored to have him.
Roscoe, plug your stuff real quick, whatever you want to.
Should have done this in the first half.
Bad host, and I apologize for that.
Well, I'm the host of the Great American Houseboat that is Exodus Americanus, which is only found on the rightstuff.biz and exodusamericanus.com.
And oddly enough, about a hundred weird other little sites that repost it and don't say anything about it.
That's always the weird stuff, isn't it?
Especially if it's like a hobby site or something, because you might have some topic you talk about with some frequency on your show.
I remember way back when being on a being on a show and we did an episode about camping, and then I ended up with an email from some guy who found us because someone reposted our show to some camping forum.
And like we're dropping end bombs and talking about whatever, but we did an hour of a two-hour show on camping and then ended up with a now vetted guy who was on some like camping and uh hunt fish camp type forum.
And someone had posted our show there.
That's one of the things that I've always talked about with I'm not, I think podcasts need to have sort of a mission and sort of a thing that they do.
You know, like Full House here, it's pretty clear what the mission statement is.
Yep.
More white children at bare minimum.
Yeah.
You know, and then there's the weird brand that we do over on the houseboat.
And, you know, then there's shows, you know, not to not to pat myself on the back too hard, but I dragged Walter Aurelius kicking and screaming into doing a an alt-right Warhammer 40,000 show.
Still don't know what that means.
Got tons of emails from people that was like, you know, I found this on the Warhammer forums and basically I'm a Nazi now.
Thanks, guys.
Or the best is, you know, like this show is sort of 49% Warhammer, 51% racism.
Someone will hit you up and be like, I really like the show, but could you maybe be less racist?
No, no, I can't.
It's right there in the description.
And then, you know, there's, you know, one of my favorite new shows.
Well, it's not really that new anymore, but some of our guys are doing a show called The Small Package.
It's just wrestling.
It's funny.
It's really good.
Like, there's a show that we feature just on the Exodus website where it's two guys who talk about war gaming, you know, like the little tabletop miniatures and stuff.
They talk about industry stuff, new games that come out.
And they say the N-word, and it's great.
And, you know, I think it's so important for us to be able to exist in different parts of the culture because there's a lot of people out there that are our guys that just don't know it yet.
Right.
And, you know, there's, I was meet people where they are.
Yep.
That's a big takeaway I've gotten from Sam.
Meet people where they are.
It's like I always sort of turned my nose up at sort of recruiting the Bernie bros.
You know, I didn't tell people not to do it.
I just said, I don't want to do it.
Somebody else turned out there.
We made a lot of hay that way.
Yeah.
Just do something, create something.
Whether you're good at Twitter, whether you're good at talking on a podcast in your area of expertise, whether you're a good writer, whether you're a good networker, whether you're rich and you can throw money to Roscoe's HVAC system, just do something.
You don't need to beat it to death, but you will feel better about yourself and you will be doing something good that is forever.
Whether you reach one person or a thousand or a million, you have to leave your mark.
You don't want to pass through your precious days, months, and years on this earth without leaving a virtuous mark on it, both in the material aspect of things and with your children, have children, or with guys who are making the journey this way toward the truth and toward virtue.
So no need to get too high on my horse there, but it means a lot.
And you get one good email.
I remember I wrote an article for TRS years ago about sports ball and then I saw it like appeared on Stormfront where every once in a while, every once in a while, a tweet will go around that somebody turned into a meme or something like that.
And you're like, all right, you know, like that, that feels good and it should feel good.
So blessed are the content creators like Roscoe, Sam Jo, Smasher, not so much.
No, I'm kidding.
I gotta get more.
If you only reach one person, but it's the right person.
That too.
That could, you know, you never know.
So whether you're reaching one or many, it's people talk about wait, waiting for the leader, the guy, the one guy down the weird lane that you might pick up could be the guy that changes everything.
That's right.
It was all fun and games in 2015, 2016, and even for part of 2017.
And now we out here grinding in the salt mines.
Somebody was the first guy to tell Hitler about the Jews.
Right.
Right.
I met a new friend the other day for the first time.
And out of the blue, he said, you had one, I patting myself on the back again, but it's a good story.
He's like, you had one tweet that I'll never forget.
And I was like, ah, let's spend this one or that one.
He was like, but it was something about like, all I wanted to do was mow my lawn in a nice, quiet, safe suburban neighborhood and give my kids the same upbringing that I enjoyed.
But that wasn't in the cards, you know, and that stuck with him.
And you never, you never know one, one gem that you unleash online or on a show or wherever makes a difference in somebody's life.
And keeps them committed.
Throw away lines that people will come back to you with.
It could be a tweet.
It could be something you said on a podcast and you're like, that definitely sounds like something I would say, but I wasn't like putting a lot of emphasis on that.
That's not like a thing that was a big deal to me, but I can see how that hits home.
Barris had just finished up this long screet on the show recently about how being a cultural conservative is kind of gay.
And I finally got pissed off and just sort of yelled into my microphone.
You're trying to do over God.
And somebody sent a message.
They're like, man, when you said that, it all clicked.
Out of my mouth, just out of my mouth, it came.
Like they said in Winterwell.
Yeah, you're very lucky.
Yeah.
And that is why they censor us too, because they know that our stuff is good and convinces people.
Yep.
All right.
Let's move on, gentlemen, to arguably the most important part of the show.
Our congratulations on new white life.
And I'm starting this week with our very own Mr. Producer.
I forgot to ask him exactly what I could say, but Mr. Producer has new white life on the way.
Hey, the man.
Baby girl.
Hallelujah.
Buddy.
Yep.
God bless you and Wifey.
Oh, man.
I've been praying for you, brother.
I've been praying for you.
Yeah.
He said we could do the reveal on the show.
So we're doing it.
He's smiling.
Hallelujah.
Yep.
And I really hope they raise her right.
I'm not sure.
You know, they're a little loosey-goosey over at the Mr. Producer house, but not.
Fast and loose with the rules.
Yeah, right.
Anyway, so for the congratulations are coming from inside the house to inside the house over the moon for you.
And thank you again for how much you do for us for the show.
Right on.
Right.
Next up, Sam will love this one to our old pal, Frog of War.
He let us know just earlier today that he has his drum roll, please, seventh white life on the way.
Right on after it.
Satan wife.
And he said, Sam, he said, I'm going to be tied with Sam.
To which, of course, I said, Hallelujah.
Yeah.
Don't rest on your laurels, pal, there.
You got it.
You got to supersede Sam.
That's right.
That's what I want.
Oh man, first one to pen gets his own hour on the show.
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.
All right.
That reminds me, JW.
JW wants to come on the show and he's he spits fire in the emails.
And we've been meaning to catch up.
I want to talk to him, make sure he's not a Total Spurg.
But I see you there, JW.
Don't worry.
I'm not shirking on you.
And as long as you sound normal, we'll get you on the show.
He's got a lot of fatherhood fire to bring.
We'll get him on too.
And yeah, previous guests, the email train went cold with the woman blogger who we wanted to have on.
We have a very prominent guy in the works to come on fairly soon and a couple others.
So stay tuned.
We're not going anywhere.
I don't, you know, these guys don't know who I'm talking about because it's not locked in yet.
I don't want to raise false expectations or hopes.
But anyway, and finally, there is another guy who just let us know tonight that he is expecting his first, and he may have tweeted about it.
I saw that on the break, but I don't want to say it on the show.
But I'll just, I'll play it safe.
But somebody who almost every listener to the show would recognize has his first on the way.
So to you, buddy, congratulations.
I actually want to make one.
Yeah.
All right.
It's you.
No.
No, no, no, not yet.
I don't care if anyone thinks it's Hokey, but Bendy Irwin is pregnant.
Of course, she's a longtime listener, big donor, big fan reflects us all the time.
No, but Steve Irwin's daughter.
Steve Irwin's daughter is pregnant.
He's just kind of a personal hero of mine.
And I thought that was cool to hear.
That is cool.
We actually have one from over on the Great American Houseboat.
Our production manager, Southern Spimoni.
And he's expecting it.
Good.
Excellent news.
I don't trust boat people, but it's still good news.
The Camp of the Saints boat people.
That's what we that's awesome.
Walk the land, and there's no more room at the welfare office.
We'll see who trusts boat people.
Roscoe's going to establish his own libertarian paradise out in the Pacific.
I'll just be a serf to John McAfee's Empire.
Oh, God.
McAfee got arrested for wearing probably his wife's panties as a mask in Norway this week.
I don't know if you know Mario.
No.
That's life, man.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Somebody was like, you got to have McAfee on.
He's doing podcasts.
I was like, well, I heard he was pretty bad on Myth of the 20th Century, and he seems pretty insane.
I don't know.
Should I invite McAfee on?
No.
Okay.
Yeah, because I would want to.
Which one's accused of being him?
Man of mystery.
Yeah.
Man of many faces, J.O. DeLaRay.
All right.
So, yeah, we had those three big congratulations on new birth, new life on the way.
Yeah, absolutely.
And yeah, and that drives our enemies up the wall too, because we are doing the bit.
And the first one, too, I just, yeah, like for Roscoe's production manager, the first child is, you know, let's be honest, that is the most special one because there's nothing like the first time for a lot of things in life.
And having a kid is one of those moments.
So second only to going to Charlottesville.
No, I'm joking.
All right.
Jo, I'm going to you, my friend, whatever you want to talk about, and then we'll go to Roscoe.
Take it away.
Two answers: one living, one historical.
You can talk to two men about fatherhood.
Who would they be?
Anybody want to jump on that one?
Living or historical?
Because I came up with the question, but I purposely shut my brain down and didn't let myself like preload answers.
All right.
Or I would just go first and give it away.
I'm going to go with a real cucky answer here that the audience may disagree with.
And I'm going to say Abraham Lincoln.
And I'll tell you why.
I toured the Lincoln house in Springfield, Illinois on a work trip once.
And by all accounts, he was a loving and devoted husband who, or father and husband, of course.
Mary Todd is not important in this story.
But he was, all right, all the slavery stuff and the Civil War stuff aside, he was a larger than life figure who did do the bootstrap thing and rise to the higher echelons of power and yet maintained his down-to-earth nature with his children.
He was loving and devoted.
And a couple of his kids, one or more, died in childbirth.
And when I toured that house and the tour guide, National Park Service said, and this is right where Abe used to sprawl out his six foot five whatever figure and play with his kids, that really struck me.
And I don't think I had kids at the time.
And that moved me.
So talking to Abe about raising little kids and having a prominent life would be one that comes off my chest at first without too much introspection.
And I'll stop there.
Okay.
Then John Wilkes Booth.
Was he a father who gave all?
No.
Very good, Roscoe.
I just wanted to talk to a real hero.
There you go.
Good shiv.
Good shiv.
Sam, putting you on the spot.
Come on, man.
Mr. Fatherhood.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, you could answer it a lot of ways, you know, and if you spent some time thinking about it, it might come up with better answers.
But a couple names come to mind.
Living, I think Mel Gibson has more kids than I do.
So I guess I'd want to hear from him.
I sure liked a lot of his movies, especially, you know, Mad Max and all that.
I remember seeing that in the early 80s there.
And some of the later ones like Braveheart.
But I'd like to hear about his, you know, compare notes on fatherhood.
I thought you were going to say Jesus and his child with Mary Magdalene.
No, I'm joking.
Sorry.
Yeah, see, you could go that way, like biblical.
I was just kind of maybe avoiding that a little bit as being too obvious.
But who's a good father from the Bible?
Honest question.
Oh, God.
No, as a sauce.
Sure.
Solomon.
No.
Yeah, there's a lot of ways you could go there.
But then I'd go to maybe St. Thomas More.
He had a lot of children as well.
And he was a martyr for the faith as well.
He was standing up against the king who was usurping the rights of the church.
And so he had a lot of kids too.
He would be a good father.
And he was also reportedly a loving father and a good reputation of that.
Yeah.
I'd pick Trump for a contemporary just so I could sit him down and like do a little chit-chat about kids and then get down to brass tacks and be like, what's going on, big guy?
Yeah, straighten him out.
Yeah, not that I thought it would make a difference, but yeah.
Have you heard about the Jews, sir?
Yeah, he has.
And Jayo's just sitting there sitting pretty.
You know, he springs the question on us and then he's got the real.
Well, and I'll say George Lincoln Rockwell had quite a few kids too.
I think he had five or six kids.
That's right.
And he had that killer quote where a reporter asked him, sir, do you actually believe all of these things?
And he responded, I'll paraphrase.
I've lost a good wife, relationships with my loved ones, including my family, my job, my career, my polite society, respectability.
What do you think?
You think this is a joke?
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, exactly.
All the things that I've lost in all of this, you think that now some little thing that you're going to propose is going to make me change?
That's right.
Roscoe Joe have at it.
For my historical one, I want to tap in deep to the kind of men who truly made the American people.
Daniel Boone.
Yeah, great answer.
Just an absolute hard as nails frontiersman.
For sure.
Like, you know, it was Daniel Boone that sort of inspired that saying, like, oh, we're all immigrants.
We're all the children of immigrants.
I'm not.
I'm the my ancestors are soldiers, frontiersmen, explorers, woodsmen.
You have to have something pre-existing to immigrate to.
We didn't immigrate to Indian society.
Right.
And my contemporary one, I think, is going to absolutely shock you guys.
Michael Jackson.
I didn't hear you.
Rick Moranis.
No, okay.
No, that's a great answer.
And I'm going to let Roscoe tell you guys why, but I know this story.
You guys know why.
When was the last time you saw old Rick Moranis in AM?
Ghostbusters.
Honey, I shrunk the kids.
Yeah, it's been a long time.
But there was a point when, you know, he was the comedy relief little Jewish guy.
Ghostbusters, honey, I shrunk the kids.
He was in Little Shop of Horrors.
He was doing great.
Then all of a sudden, he's gone because his wife got sick and she passed away.
And he made the decision that his kids needed him more than Hollywood does.
Hey, and he's homeschooled his kids.
He has, you know, used Jew magic to stretch out his Hollywood money and his loyalty checks.
Sure.
And he's been there every day when they wake up and every day when they go to sleep.
Credit where it's due.
Now, I have so there is a non-specific person that I might like to speak to historically.
And it kind of goes to what Roscoe was saying.
And that's any of these westborn, westward-bound pioneers that ended up having like eight or 11 kids in, I don't know, Kansas, Oklahoma.
Let's go out further, Wyoming, Utah.
If you're into the whole Mormon thing, these people who went out in the middle of nowhere, there's no infrastructure.
There's no professionals.
You're sleeping by campfires every night.
You know, one of the leading causes of deaths of women during westward expansion was them getting too close to the fire while they're sleeping and their dress catches fire and they die, right?
Indian attacks, all of this stuff.
Any of these guys that had these large broods, say between six and 12 kids, that got out there and got the job done.
And statistically, they're probably rare, but I'd like to speak to the guy that never lost a child or that out or all his children outlived him.
You know, some dude, he's a father of nine.
This middle of nowhere town in Oklahoma is probably named after him.
He homesteaded something and raised this family, and all his kids went on to get married and, you know, be farmers or join various professions.
Those are the guys I wanted to talk to.
Yeah.
I think another interesting, like to put a name on it, I think, and, you know, Roscoe's going to want to cut my head off for this one too, but Sullivan Ballou.
Never heard of him.
Sullivan Ballou is the guy who wrote the Dear Sarah letter made famous by Ken Burns, The Civil War, and the tune Ashikin Farewell.
And he is a, I think he was first lieutenant from Rhode Island who wrote this beautiful love letter to his wife the day before he died at Bowl Run, a union officer.
But he says in his letter, you know, hey, it sucks that I'm going into this battle and it's a high likelihood I might die.
But my primary goal here, whatever happens to me, just make sure our sons are raised into honorable manhood are the words he uses.
And for that to be his last thought has always stuck with me.
And if you have no idea what I'm talking about, just go over to YouTube and type in Sullivan Ballou, Civil War, and it'll move you.
It reminds me of the five-year-old boy who was shot and killed in the street, front street of his house by his black neighbor who had just been over for dinner the night before or recently and how fleeting it all is.
And I guess this is a big story in the normie sphere that it's the mass media has completely ignored it.
But a good reason.
White people kill white children all the fucking time.
Yep.
Around blacks, never relax.
And that's why it's incumbent on everyone that's listening to this show and all of us that are on it to be strong of body, strong of mind, and of strong resolve.
Because if we're not in Hinnand, our wives, our children, our very lives can be taken away like that.
There will be no one calling for justice for us.
Sessims.
25.
Five-year-old Cannon Hinton, boys, two sisters, seven and eight, witnessed the shooting by the next door neighbor.
Families known each other for years.
And contrast that with Curious George, high on Fent, heart disease, committing a crime, passing fake bills, and a white officer in Minneapolis just trying to keep this guy under control with the training that was approved by the police department.
Sends the country up in flames.
And this beautiful little boy gets capped by a black savage.
And we've got news stories barely in the local news, not at all in the national news, except for daily mail.
Because it happens all the time.
It happens all the time.
That's why black crime doesn't get reported on in a big way.
And it's definitely never specific.
But when you turn on your local news and they're like, oh, there were two shootings on the south side of blah, blah, blah tonight, whatever major city you live near, you know, you know who did it and mostly who ate it.
But yeah, I don't, I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir on black on white crime, but we've just, we became accustomed.
You know, it's the whole thing of, oh, I bet you wouldn't say that in a black neighborhood.
Oh, so you're telling me that in a black neighborhood, they just kill white people.
Of course they do.
And everyone knows that.
And whenever a white person dies in a black neighborhood, the main response from every normie, regardless of race, is, what were they doing over there?
Well, it's America.
Shouldn't you be able to, like, go places and do stuff?
Oh, you should know better than to be over there.
Yeah, you should necessarily mean black people.
That necessarily means it's full of black people.
Yeah, we've banged the drum about getting out of diverse places despite the costs and the hassle and the inconvenience that might come about it.
But, you know, even if you think you can't, I mean, sure, this is one story, but it's one story among hundreds, if not thousands.
I want to give a special shout out to my pal who does the Telegram channel.
It's called Every Day, and I will put it in the show notes.
But he had the idea to put together, I talked about this on the show before, a 365 flip calendar of black on white crime, which was probably too grisly to be a really big seller, although it was a killer idea.
So he did the next best thing.
And every single day of the year, he comes out with a story of a black-on-white atrocity from that day, whether it was in the 80s or a year ago.
And all of them are heartbreaking, some of them too heartbreaking to even look and not get teary-eyed about.
And this, to back up, JO, it happens all the time.
It is a slow-rolling atrocity or genocide, whatever you want to call it.
And you have to put as much space between that likelihood and your precious children as you possibly can, whether that means homeschooling, whether that means moving to the country, whether that just means moving one street over.
I don't care what it is, but I'd rather be hard on you now and say it and get your ass in gear than not for the risk of not offending anybody or people in a wrong state of life.
It's just not worth it.
So take that for what it is.
All right.
Our friend, Nat Scott, puts a ton of work and time into navigating the collapse, and I want to give him higher billing than the very end of the second half.
Not that anybody ever leaves this show before it's completely finished.
So Mr. Producer, if you would, please tee up Navigating the Collapse Part 10 or 11.
We're not quite sure.
Take it away.
Welcome to Navigating the Collapse with your host, Nathaniel Scott.
The internet is a wild place.
Every now and then, a website pops up that puts the rest to shame and sometimes just as quickly blinks out.
One such website was murdercube.com.
Spawned from K.
It had PDFs on how to do just about anything you could think of, as well as varied political texts, none of which you should ever read, put into practice, or take seriously.
And if you do, we're not responsible.
Thankfully, Murder Cube has recently been recovered with the help of the Wayback Machine.
You can find the link on the KWiki.
Here's some info from one of the documents on winter camping, as well as some first-hand tips.
When winter camping, you absolutely need to dress warm.
Should go without saying.
An important aspect of this is layering.
Think of your body as a heat source and the clothing as insulation keeping the heat in.
You want to be able to add or shed layers if you start to sweat or get cold.
Heat loss can be up to 25 times greater on a wet surface, so it is very important to minimize sweating.
Pick the right materials for clothing.
Wool over cotton, and keep a windproof and waterproof outer layer.
You ever notice how people bleed a lot from head wounds?
That's because the head is covered in veins, pumping blood pretty close to the skin.
A lot of heat can be lost through those veins, so wear a warm hat, a face mask, or a balaclava.
Mittens keep your hands warmer than gloves, but at the cost of dexterity.
You can get mittens that fold open for a compromise.
Wear boots, insulated if possible.
Wear layers of socks, but make sure they're not too tight, or your blood circulation will be constricted.
At night, be sure to have an adequate sleeping bag.
Zero degree sleeping bags mean you'll survive at zero degrees, not necessarily that you'll be comfortable.
You can supplement a sleeping bag with thermal blankets on top and below, and by wearing your extra layers.
Have some kind of insulation to keep your sleeping bag away from the cold ground.
Bring hand warmers to put in your sleeping bag as emergency heat.
You don't want to rely on external heat sources like a fire to keep you warm.
You'll probably be up all night keeping it going, and unless you're in an enclosed area, it won't really help that much.
If you have to relieve yourself, do it without procrastinating.
Your body will need to expend precious energy to keep that sack of liquid inside you from freezing.
Definitely know exactly where you are going, the route you're taking, and how long it should take.
Unexpected turns or events must be taken far more seriously than if you're camping in the summer.
Bring navigation tools, friends, and emergency communication devices.
Finally, take a friend who is less prepared than you.
When you see how miserable he is, it will make your own suffering seem much more bearable.
And now, a poem by Ezra Pound, decrying the evils of usury and describing the famous artists that would never have come about under a usurious system.
With Usura With Usura hath no man a house of good stone, each block cut smooth and well fitting, that design might cover their face.
With Usura hath no man a painted paradise on his church wall, harpes at loose, or where virgin receiveth message, and halo projects from incision.
With Usura seeth no man Gonzaga, his heirs and his concubines.
No picture is made to endure nor to live with, but is made to sell and sell quickly.
With Usura, sin against nature.
Is thy bread ever more of stale rags?
Is thy bread dry as paper?
With no mountain wheat, no strong flour.
With Usura, the line grows thick.
With Usura is no clear demarcation, and no man can find sight for his dwelling.
Stone cutter is kept from his stone, weaver is kept from his loom.
With Usura, wool comes not to market.
Sheep bringeth no gain with Usura.
Usura is a murin.
Usura blunteth the needle in the maid's hand and stoppeth the spinner's cunning.
Pietro Lombardo came not by Usura.
Duccio came not by Usura, nor Pierre della Francesca.
Zuan Bellin not by Usura, nor was La Colunia painted.
Came not by Usura Angelico, came not Ambrogio Praedis.
Came no church of cut stone signed Adamo Mifeki.
Not by Usura Santrofim.
Not by Usura Saint Hilaire.
Usura rusteth the chisel.
It rusteth the craft and the craftsmen.
It gnaweth the thread in the loom.
None learneth to weave gold in her pattern.
Azur hath a canker by Usura.
Cramoisi is unbroidered.
Emerald findeth no memling.
Usura slayeth the child in the womb.
It stayeth the young man's courting.
It hath brought palsy to bed, lieth between the young bride and her bridegroom.
Contra naturum, they have brought whores for Eleusis.
Corpses are set to banquet at behest of Usura.
All right.
I have to admit, I laugh there, not at the content, but just at the drama and the very good voice acting by our pal Nat Scott.
And I need to read that honestly to soak it all in.
Half the time, I can't understand the poem, even when I read it a couple times.
But yeah, going back to the Ezra Dog Pound for being woke on all of our issues and usury, I used to be one of those guys who would say, you know, money ain't free.
You got to pay interest here and there.
Like, what's the big deal?
And then one day you get a little bit older, wiser, and realize that that is the vehicle by which so much of our dispossession is funded.
I had to pee really bad in the middle of it.
But when I came back, dude, I had no idea what was going on.
I got Charlton Heston out here and mad.
Usura.
Yeah.
Nasgul.
Very good.
Oh, yeah.
Thank you, buddy.
And yeah, Nat Scott and I know from experience.
Oh, yeah.
Heaven forbid, we actually, we camped in the woods together.
So a lot of that stuff is from personal experience.
Our march through the woods at the behest of somebody who was an expert winter camper.
And were you the less prepared camper?
And he was the more prepared camper?
Oh, he was snug as a bug in a rug.
And this is like 10 degrees in the middle of nowhere in January.
But I tied one on, but I was with a winter sleeping bag I had never used before.
Like, yeah, we're just, you know, having fun around the fire pit, telling stories, playing German music.
And then it's time to go to bed.
And I'm, you know, feeling pretty good.
I'm like, all right, I'm just going to slip into this sleeping bag without properly zipping it up and cocooning myself.
And good God, I woke up at three o'clock in the morning or whatever it was, like frozen to the bone, stoking the fire.
Yeah, trying to get back in.
It was a miserable night.
But, you know, I survived.
It was touch and go for a little bit.
I'm like looking around.
Everybody else is all cozy.
But that was my own fault.
But that is another, you know, another great example of getting out there.
I realize that is not something I was fine, but I had never actually gotten into that sleeping bag and cocooned myself.
You know, there are multiple zippers and outer layers and twist ties or toggles and all that stuff.
So anyway, 10 death march through the wild January forests of Appalachia at that time.
And Nat Scott scared shared his expertise with us, which was very kind.
Let us and Roscoe during that just wrote the Murder Cube LOL.
Yes, we do not endorse the murder cube here on Full House.
That is simply a site that exists that may or may not have.
I missed out on that, but I'm not sure what it is, but I don't endorse it.
The original murder cube was a giant cube made from old broken guns.
In what kind of cube?
It was just like this weird art installation.
And it started getting posted on K and they started calling it the murder cube.
Yeah, like the throne made of swords molded together, the cube of old firearms.
Very cool.
I may or may not check it out.
He said that it was an edgy site, but that it exists and that we should mention it.
And he did, of course, too.
Let's circle back to the ville real quick, not to beat a dead horse, but to bring it home.
Obviously, in hindsight, you could argue that it was a mistake insofar as the outcome was, for now, worse than what we had hoped for.
And that may not always be the case.
History has not been written yet, right?
We may look back at Seaville as our stonewall as the gays look at the New York City cop raid on that gay bar, whatever it was, which was hindsight's 2020, looking back, yeah, we would have had maybe some more optics enforcement.
I happened to be right behind the infamous folded, creased Nazi flag guy on the march out of Lee Park toward McIntyre.
And that's not so important.
We don't want to, but he looked like a Sperg who came in good faith and bought a flag and brought it and was kind of clueless.
He even had either a baton or mace or something defensive in his right hand.
He wasn't just some glow-in-the-dark thing, but that's not important.
Obviously, we would do things differently.
But I'll kick it over to you guys.
Maybe Sam, I mean, for somebody who wasn't there and who saw how it went down and the aftermath, top lines on Seaville?
Any reacts?
Well, you know, too many times our people have shown up to some kind of event and we're just there like lambs to the slaughter.
You know, we're trusting the system to protect us.
And you just would like to see something that was better executed.
And, you know, think of olden times before modern weaponry, how people had to move in a phalanx or a pincher move or something like that.
You know, this Antifa, even though they're funded and staffed and supplied and all those things.
But these people are like retards, you know, like a well-executed movement against them would be very successful.
But then again, you know, this thing of getting hemmed up in stupid cases and everything like that, you know, it's just, it doesn't feel like it's the right time for public demonstrations like that until we can act like that and show up and be rehearsed.
And, okay, so we know how things are going to go.
We have no faith in the cops.
Okay, so what do we do there for?
That's the type of thinking we need.
Yeah, and we thought with some reason that we had top line cover from the guy that we put so much blood, sweat, and toil into getting elected and who appeared at least in the early days, you know, missteps aside to be on our side still or one of our guys.
And that was not the case and certainly didn't have control over events in the Commonwealth of Virginia and the DOJ at the time.
And going forward, there's no question that I think Biden's going to win in a landslide.
We'll see what happens.
It's not going to get any easier.
And there are people that are champing at the bit to do more public demonstrations, including for this five-year-old who was just slaughtered in front of his house.
People want to get involved, but at the same time, so many of our people are like, the writing's on the wall.
You're either not going to move the needle or you're going to get hemmed up.
You're going to get doxxed, et cetera.
And after Seaville, of course, there was another Seaville, the sort of operation to get guys in and get guys out with much more order and discipline.
But that was a little bit, you know, ex post facto and it didn't move the needle too much.
And then there was the University of Michigan rally where again, the cops came in and not only didn't do their job, but actively allowed the people to be attacked on their way there and then arrested.
Greg Conte, of course, who also has a lawsuit in the works against Charlottesville for depriving us of our First Amendment and other rights.
But Roscoe, I mean, to live it over again, but where are you on the state of things right now and what we should do or could do or anything else on the top of your mind?
Well, I think, you know, looking back at it with 2020 vision, it's real easy to be captain hindsight and to point at everything that went wrong.
But we learned a lesson three years ago that the rest of the country is learning now.
And that is if you defend yourself against the foot soldiers of the establishment, then you are going to be the one who has to, who goes to jail, who gets dragged through frivolous lawfare and has your life destroyed.
And it doesn't matter if you're the guys with the 15-foot standard with 1488 and a dang golden eagle on top of it, or if you're the cathedral proud boy.
Yeah.
You step out of line, you're going to get hemmed up.
And, you know, I think there are ways for us to get out and to get involved.
I think if people wanted to go out and have a protest about the young boy's death, I don't think it should be something that's branded as us doing it.
I think going and having a protest and demand that this be covered and this be something that people know about could be done without really attaching it to a lot of the negative stigmas that we built up over the years.
Well, if you want to see a good protest that was planned and executed, I would say look at the Patriot Front videos.
But I don't think that would be appropriate for.
No, no, I'm just saying in general.
You're right, though.
I understand your point.
But it's extremely difficult to walk that fine line.
You want to be honest and candid and out there and say, no, this was a white boy slaughtered by a black savage from next door while not spooking the normie horses and having them turn their ire against you for co-opting it.
And it was unquestionably interracial crime.
If Cannon Hinton was a black boy, would he have gotten shot in the head that day?
Maybe.
Probably not.
I'm not in a, you know, if I could go out to, you know, an event commemorating that young boy and making sure that normal, you know, people that aren't us have to deal with this information, have to be made aware of the kind of grievous crime that's being done to us just because of our skin color.
You know, I'm down for that.
And I don't want to go out, you know, waving a big windmill of friendship.
You don't?
You do, but yeah.
Penwheel of peace.
Yeah.
Sometimes I just want to, I just want a bad optics post so bad, man.
Welcome to the club.
Yeah.
We were meme soldiers once and young.
Yeah.
How far we've come.
J.O., yeah, I mean, you sorry, Roscoe, I didn't mean to cut you short there.
Well, a guy that I went to high school with who doesn't know what I do as a hobby had messaged me to ask me if I was interested in going with him to do a protest about them wanting to take down Confederate memorials close to us.
And just because of work and stuff, I wasn't really able to swing it.
But, you know, the ease of how they went in and did their protests and everything, there were counter-protesters, but nothing like what gets ginned up if the word gets out that we're coming to town.
Yep.
No flack if you're not truly over target.
I mean, if you're not getting pushback, there's an argument that you're not really effective.
Story out just today, San Diego trib.
I believe a woman went to Costco with a white pride and a swastika tattoo visible on her back.
And just by going to Costco, that tattoo made local news and may or may not have doxxed them, quote unquote, just for a tattoo.
And you think about whether an MS-13 tattoo, which I've seen in spades in Northern Virginia and the DC area, that, you know, MS-13 makes the news, but you don't see somebody walking around with that tattoo getting news.
So it really is 1984-style tyranny where as soon as you send up that flag, they smell it like blood in the water.
And they know to attack, attack, attack.
And unfortunately, the masses are still susceptible to buying that narrative, at least it seems.
I know that's changing a little bit, but JO, top lines, and let's bring this puppy home.
Top lines.
Just a humble assignment.
Yeah.
Put a cherry on top.
This thing has been discussed over and over for three years.
And this is going to sound borderline like Seaville PTSD guy, but I only care to discuss it anymore with other people who are there.
I don't care what your opinion is if you weren't there.
If you want to argue the optics this way and that and you weren't there, you'll never understand the gravity.
You'll never understand how it felt.
You'll never understand what we were attempting to do.
And I don't care what you have to say.
And if you did go and you think the whole thing was an unmitigated disaster and wish you hadn't gone, I haven't met you.
Yep.
Everyone I know who went had a good time or thinks it was a good thing.
And if there's a couple of people that dissent from that, I would have a conversation with those people.
But I haven't met them yet.
Important day, big day.
They'll talk about it for the next million years.
That's right.
God bless James Fields.
We showed up, and some of the guys who got hemmed up are on the verge of getting out, and we will look after them.
And yeah, I said it before I would go back again.
Because I'm pouring my heart out here.
We really went in with good intentions to speak freely, to assemble peaceably, to raise our flag of many colors, right?
You had Civnats, you had Southern Confederate heritage guys, you had Nazis, you had Zoomers, you had geezers, you had guys who had probably served serious time, and you had babes in Toyland coming out in excitement at the movement that was churning at that time.
And to be there on that day is a memory that they'll never be able to take from you.
If you were there, you should talk about it.
You should write about it.
And it was worth a million dollars.
Even the guys who got assaulted, guys who got hemmed up, I've corresponded with prisoners and I feared really deep in my heart that maybe they would come back and be like, no, it was a mistake, or I really regret going that day, or I've seen the error of my ways.
Not one of them.
I won't speak for any of them, but I was so gratified to get a God heartfelt.
I'm still in this.
If those guys can go through what they've been through and still be committed to it, not just because they're trapped in it.
It's the easiest thing in the world to give something up.
It's the hardest thing in the world to stay committed to something and stay at it in the face of severe adversity.
So we bless our Seaville veterans, especially the ones who suffered in many cases, or in some cases, severe life consequences as a result of their choice to stand for white identity, monuments, or just to stand by their friends on an important hot day in the Godforsaken city of Charlottesville in August 2017.
So with that, I do want to thank our special guest, Roscoe Jones.
Roscoe, thanks so much for joining us.
Always a pleasure.
You bet.
And anytime you want to invite me on the full, on the houseboat, I'd be happy to show up.
No, I'm kidding.
But I would be happy if you ever need a fill-in because I like this stuff.
I always have a little bit of, I don't know, like not anxiety, but just like, all right, going to work.
And then once you get to work and providing honest commentary, it feels like a million bucks.
So bless you and bless Walrus for all your work.
Bless your wife and your family.
And don't forget about Rod.
And Rod.
Of course.
And also to everybody who helped you out in a pinch.
It was wonderful to see.
We still got the mojo and the shekels to help out our own.
Sam.
Go ahead, Roscoe, please.
Go ahead, Roscoe.
I just want to make one quick statement about Charlottesville.
It feels like it's been an eternity ago.
And for our guys who have been trapped down there and whichever penitentiaries they've gotten stuffed into, it's felt like even longer to them.
But even within our own personal lives, three years is a drop in the bucket.
Think about if in 2016, you had been told that in the year 2020 that riots would have been going on in most major cities for nearly 100 days by the time that we were three quarters of the way through the summer and nothing had been done about it.
I wouldn't have believed it.
We've seen things accelerate and change in mere moments.
We don't know how political situations are going to play out.
But if we remember the experiences that we had down there that day, we remember what it felt to stand shoulder to shoulder with Nick Fuentes on one side of us and the guy whose entire shaved head was a swastika on the other side of us.
Yep.
Then in 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, what everyone thinks about Charlottesville could be completely different.
Amen, brother.
That's all I wanted to say about that.
Sorry.
Yep.
No, that was great and so true.
Yeah.
From the Fuentes and Alaska tier, Pax Dickinson was there on the way out of the park.
I remember our pal caught him on the GoPro talking about, yeah, it was an ambush.
Like they just allowed it to happen to the hardcore guys who are there and still slugging away at whatever they do.
They all beliefs.
Sam, thank you for joining us tonight.
Listen to the war stories, even though you weren't there.
Yeah, well, I will say this about Charlottesville is it's a real bellwether on the appetite for white nationalism that is in this country because, you know, there's been rallies and things for many, many years, you know, 100 people or 200 people.
But this is here we are 2016.
It's, you know, just this many few years ago, but here you had a couple thousand guys showing up, you know.
And so I take it as encouragement that this whole white nationalism is growing in different ways.
That's one manifestation of it.
Yeah.
Yep.
We came out of the woodwork that day from all walks of pro-white life.
But what a great discussion and a great panel tonight for sure.
And Mr. Producer, thanks.
Yep.
Our pleasure.
J.O., my friend.
Thanks again.
Thank you for having me.
You got it.
All right.
Full House episode 59 was recorded outdoors, at least here.
I'm back in the gazebo.
It's delightful.
A couple bugs.
No big deal.
And there is a hint of fall in the air.
It is, or it was August 13th, 2020.
It's now August 14th.
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And Roscoe one day will be the five o'clock drive time guy, as JO always says.
Hell yeah.
If you take five o'clock, I'll be the warm-up guy.
I'll do four o'clock for the working stiff still at the desk.
So in a sane world, Roscoe would be a radio host.
That's right.
Sure.
That's right.
We're going to get that black Hebrew Israelite that's right drop one of these days.
Crack the whip.
So to all Charlottesville veterans, whether you're still in the cause or even if you checked out as a result of the events that day, we salute you for showing up.
Half of life is just showing up.
I think it was Yogi Barrow who said that.
Maybe.
Woody Allen.
Woody Allen.
Oh, all right.
Whatever.
Still, still valid.
This week, Roscoe coming back second time, earning his stripes.
We're turning the DJ booth over to you, pal.
Let us know what we're going to hear going out this week.
All right.
This is a song that almost causes a fistbite every time that I have my friends over for a few drinks.
It is the battle cry of freedom.
And without fail, we are up in each other's face.
I'm yelling the southern version at him while he yells the union version at me.
Awesome.
I've never heard it.
Can't wait to listen to it.
We love you, fam.
And we'll talk to you next week.
No smasher, so I'll do it.
See ya.
Good night, everybody.
Shout, shout the battle cry of freedom.
Beneath it off, we've conquered and will conquer on the chain.
Shout, shout the battle cry of freedom.
Our dates stay forever, she's never at a loss.
Down with the eagle and up with the cross.
We will rally round the fighting flag, we'll rally once again.
Shout, shout the battle cry of freedom.
Our gallant boys have marched to the rolling of the drums.
Shout, shout the battle cry of freedom.
And the leaders in charge cry out, come, boys, come.
Shout, shout the battle cry of freedom.
Our days stay forever, she's never at a loss.
Down with the eagle and up with the cross.
We will rally round the fighting flag.
We'll rally once again.
Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.
They have laid down their lives on the bloody battlefield.
Shout, shout, the battle cry of freedom.
Their motto is resistance to the tyrants never yield.
Shout, shout the battle cry of freedom.
Our days stay forever, she's never at a loss.
Down with the eagle and up with the cross.
We will rally round the fighting flag, we'll rally once again.