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Aug. 23, 2024 - Fresh & Fit

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Fresh&Fit Vegas Edition w/ Rollo Tomassi

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	Thank you.
	What's up, guys?
	Welcome to the Fresh Fit Podcast.
	I'm here, Rolo Tomasi, the legend.
	No girls, thank God.
	We're going to be talking about a couple things, and there's no intro music.
	This is actually, Thursdays are actually our Access Vegas day, so it's like Access Vegas Fresh Fit today.
	And look at this fucking...
	Yeah, I like it, man.
	We are right by the strip, guys.
	From Redwood Studios, Las Vegas, Nevada.
	Yeah, I'm happy to be here.
	Thank you for letting us use your studio to do this show.
	This is my third stream of the day.
	We've been grinding, guys.
	As you guys know, I did a gym stream earlier today.
	Jake Shields was there.
	He pulled up in the middle of the workout.
	I think I might do a gym stream with Rolo tomorrow.
	Powerhouse.
	Maybe at Powerhouse Gym.
	Yeah.
	It's going to be in the morning, so I'm going to have to make sure I get some sleep.
	I only slept like three or four hours last night, by the way, guys.
	You're making this announcement that people will show up at nine o'clock just to be there, I think.
	I know they're here somewhere.
	So, yeah.
	So, We did the gym IRL, and then I just got done doing the Hodge twins, as you guys saw earlier.
	Great discussion with them.
	Hilarious.
	It went for like two and a half hours, pretty much.
	Just making jokes, having a good time.
	We talked about their come up, you know, former jobs, girlfriends, funny stories.
	And then we also talked about what was the other thing we discussed?
	The big thing.
	Oh, we discussed politics, of course.
	And then now I'm here with the legend himself, Rolo Tomasi.
	Leave the best for last.
	I want to get you in here for a very long time.
	And, you know, it's good because now we don't have to rush because you guys know me and Rolo can go on forever.
	Right.
	So, you know, I don't want to rush it.
	I want to give you guys, you know, that RP meet that you guys like to see all the time.
	And we got like two main topics, which I know are going to bleed on to other things, but...
	Oh yeah, for sure.
	I mean, Rolo, I know who you are, but for the people that might be new and might not know who you are, can you introduce yourself?
	I'm the author of The Rational Mail, five book series.
	Thank you very much.
	I'm pretty sure everybody knows who I am.
	But I am also the co-host of Access Vegas with Mike Sartain.
	And I've been doing that for, gosh, we're coming up on two years in October.
	Damn, time flies up.
	Yeah, right?
	Decided we were going to, well, Miguel Munoz and I decided we were going from Dollar Cost Crypto, decided we were going to do something here in Vegas about this time two years ago.
	And this is where we're at, man.
	We've come a very long way in a very short time.
	There are so many people here in Vegas, dude.
	I know.
	We're here.
	Dan Balzerian's here.
	Todd Swins.
	Jake Shields.
	Mike Sartain, obviously.
	Right.
	The crypto guys are here.
	Like, dude, it's just wild.
	Well, you know, I tell you what's funny is like, we're right around August.
	Are there any other big YouTubers I missed that are here in Vegas?
	There are some others, but they're not in our niches.
	That's all.
	There's a lot of other guys.
	There's like social groups here.
	They call it Taco Tuesdays.
	Like on Tuesdays, everybody will get together.
	It doesn't matter what your niche is.
	And you just get together.
	I mean like YouTubers.
	Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
	Like influencers, YouTubers.
	I'm trying to think who else is around.
	I mean, there's...
	You know, John Orlando and the Sports Junkies and stuff like that.
	I like sports.
	There's a lot of different varieties of podcasts out here.
	As far as I know, we're probably the number one in our niche right now.
	Nobody else is doing like red pill content.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	In Vegas, yeah.
	And then, you know, like I said, we decided we wanted to come out.
	I was actually, for a while, I was thinking about maybe doing something.
	Ours used to be out here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, you know, I'll tell you what's funny is Owen Cook has been making the rounds again in Los Angeles.
	I just saw him in June and hung out with him for a little bit.
	And I know Mike talks to him quite a bit.
	So it's a possibility he might be coming out to Vegas, you know, making some appearances for sure.
	Yeah, he's very sporadic, man.
	Like, I don't know.
	He does his own thing.
	Yeah, like he just, you know, he does content here or there and I don't see him for months and he comes back.
	Yeah.
	And I'm now officially partnered with MOA, which is Men of Action, which is Mike's group.
	My group is now called Reignite, and we are specifically talking to guys who are 45 to 65 years old, which is the prime demographic for self-deletion.
	Well, you've got to figure out guys are like three and a half to four times as likely to kill themselves, and it's always around that time because it's when they go through a divorce, which, by the way, according to Jim Sexton, a divorce attorney, as we know, You're eight times more likely to off yourself after a geyser, anyways, after a divorce.
	And the average age of the first divorce is 43, 44.
	Oh, wow.
	So that was...
	That makes sense.
	We definitely saw my partner, Joe Mara, and I decided, we said, you know, we really need to...
	This is an underserved demographic.
	So for sure, we're working with them.
	And so now we're actually...
	I'm doing something tangible.
	Everybody wants to say if the red pill doesn't do anything, all we do is just sit here and bullshit and talk and complain and all this other stuff.
	And it's like, when we do something tangible, nobody says shit.
	When we do something, when we do outreach and we're actually doing these starting communities, we have Zoom calls, we have events that we go to, we have activities and things like I want to start getting these guys out and doing things like going to a gun range or going deep sea fishing or going golf or whatever it is.
	Because men communicate better when they have a project or they have something that they can unite over, something they can share, like a shared problem to solve or a shared interest.
	And one of the things I picked out when I was deciding to do this group is female therapy doesn't work for men.
	Everybody wants to think, oh, mental health and all this stuff.
	It's not like sitting on the fucking couch and talking about your feelings is bullshit.
	Guys have communications when they're actually doing things.
	And so we're adding that to the program as well so that guys can get together.
	And it's not just going out to Zouk or the strip clubs or something like that.
	You can go, there's a place here in Vegas, I want to go do this, where you can go drive a tank.
	And you can go shoot automatic weapons if you want to, or you can go to the track that's down in South Vegas and just drive fast cars.
	Whatever it is, whatever your thing is, guys tend to have conversations and tend to make friends and they tend to form networks and tribes as a result of some sort of shared interest or some sort of shared project that they're working on.
	And so that's going to be integral to what we're doing with Reignite as well.
	But I'm now officially partnered with MOA and that's going to be my new thing and it's outreach and it's actually something concrete and something tangible.
	I like that you're going after that 45 to 60 demographic because a lot of guys feel isolated at that point.
	You know, who am I going to find?
	Can I get back into the game?
	It's very confusing for them.
	Oh, man.
	When they come out of, like, say they've been in a 20-year marriage and they've been in a sexist marriage, they get out of it and now suddenly they're like, it's like a stranger in a strange land.
	Could you imagine you get married in the year fucking 2000 when Britney Spears was sane?
	Yes.
	And then...
	You come back here in 2024 and she's dancing with knives and she's fucking crazy and now you're single and you're trying to talk to a chick at the bar in 2024 versus in 2000.
	You were like, you know, you could do that.
	You know, Roosh said this.
	I agree with him so much on this one thing that he said.
	He said that the cell phone and bottle service killed night game.
	Yeah.
	And I, you know, that came back to me because we had a yacht party on Like, a couple weeks ago.
	And, you know, we had, like, a crazy ratio.
	Like, you know, as much as the haters wanted to say, there was no girls, bro.
	There's, like, 7 to 1 ratio, right?
	The boat was so fucking big, you just couldn't see everything, right?
	It was so bad.
	One of the girls I was supposed to meet up with, I thought she didn't show up to the party.
	And she was like, I was on the out the whole time.
	I was like, what the fuck?
	And she's, I was like, you're lying.
	And she sent me a picture, and she was on the out.
	I was like, oh, shit.
	We were live streaming, so I missed it.
	But we had, there were so many girls there.
	But I digress.
	The main point here is that we went to the club after.
	We went to Vandoam, you know, Fresh's favorite fucking place.
	Sure, yeah.
	When we had the guys there, so I was like, you know what?
	I'll fucking go.
	I haven't been to a club in a very long time.
	And I go in there.
	And I'm like, you know, if you don't have a section, dude, you're fucked.
	Like, you don't have a section.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, with the bottle service or whatever.
	And it's like, the girls, like, all they care about is, like, getting into a section.
	Like, that's what they're there for.
	Right?
	Prestige.
	Yeah.
	And then the girls that are in a section, they're on their phones.
	So it's like, people don't even go to the nightclub or the bar anymore to, like, actually socialize.
	They go there.
	They're not there in the moment.
	They're there to make for content.
	That's what it is.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	So I genuinely do believe in it.
	When this happened, it reminded me.
	It's hilarious.
	We're sitting there waiting, right?
	And a bunch of girls just randomly walk in.
	We brought like 30 girls with us, too.
	They just walked in no problem.
	We had to obviously go through and pay and shit like that.
	And I'm just like, oh, look, these useless bimbos get in and we got to pay.
	Look at this shit.
	And then we walked in and reaffirmed that quote just hit me immediately.
	Bottle service and the cell phone absolutely destroyed nightlife.
	So you take a guy, like you said, trying to get back in the game.
	Year 2000 is getting fucking married with TRL still going on and MTV and real world and wearing Gap jeans and shit like that.
	And the next thing you know, 2024.
	You're unfrozen from cryo-freeze and now you come out.
	You walk into a nightclub now and you're like...
	What the fuck is this?
	Because in the early 2000s, no one had smartphones like this.
	A lot of these guys that we're working with right now, they don't know that getting a girl's phone number is effectively meaningless.
	It's like you got to follow on Instagram, right?
	What's Instagram?
	Well, they know what Instagram is because maybe their kids have it or something like that.
	But the thing is, is they don't know how to optimize their pictures on there.
	They don't know what they're doing.
	They don't know what works best for them.
	And mysteries to teach that, like a number of clothes was good.
	A number of clothes was a metric of success back in the mid-2000s.
	And now it's basically meaningless because it's all, follow me on Instagram, let me see if you're cool enough for me to want to hang out with you.
	Do you have cool friends?
	Do you have a little dog?
	Where are you?
	Are you somebody that I would want to actually hang out with?
	And it's almost like your professional...
	It's almost like having a LinkedIn for your personal life or your resume of you kind of thing.
	And even Instagram is like...
	You almost have to...
	You have to get multiple bases of contact.
	I've told guys before, you not only need to get a number, you need to get an Instagram...
	And you damn near need to frame a date when you meet her right then and there because women are so fucking flaky in 2024 because they just have too many options.
	Girls actually used to respect and admire male attention in the early 2000s.
	But now, it's cheap.
	So they don't care.
	The other thing too I think guys need to understand, especially for the older guys, 45, 60 that are in your group, when you text girls now on iPhones, there's this feature where if it's not a recognized number or whatever or they haven't had communication, a lot of times it'll just go into a random spam box and she might never check it.
	Yeah, I don't go into your hidden messages or something like that unless you're actually actively looking at those things.
	It's not going to make any sense.
	And I think another thing a lot of older guys need to see, like 45 to 60, is a lot of them might have a daughter.
	Just look at your daughter's phone.
	She might be fucking 18, 17, whatever.
	Just look at her phone.
	You're going to see 150 missed calls 300 text messages, 1,000 emails.
	Just unheard of levels of attention.
	Yeah, all unread.
	Women today get unheard of levels of attention.
	And I think it's overwhelming for guys to get in the game.
	Because whenever I've talked to older guys that are just getting back in, the biggest thing they have is frustration.
	What the fuck?
	Women play a lot of games nowadays.
	I'm like, dude, do you know how many options the average girl has?
	And they have no fucking clue.
	I'll tell you a funny story, what was kind of like the germ of the idea for this.
	Have you ever seen, I think it's on like Amazon Prime, but it's a show called Tulsa King and it has Sylvester Stallone is in it.
	Okay, and without giving you too many spoilers here, Sylvester Stallone plays like a mobster.
	He was like in the mafia and he goes to jail 25 years ago for a crime he didn't commit.
	He took the fall for somebody else in the mob, right?
	When was the movie set?
	Well, it's funny.
	Literally, it's modern day.
	And so he went to jail 25 years ago.
	And the start of the series is when he's finally getting out here into the 2024, right?
	Or 2022 or 2023.
	So he went in like the late 90s or early 2000s.
	Exactly.
	So 25 years ago, right?
	He comes out and he still thinks everything is like things are 25 years ago.
	And it's interesting because like All of the things that, like, it sort of reminds you of all the shit that we take.
	You try to go to Radio Shack?
	Yeah, we take it for granted.
	Yeah, exactly.
	What's a beeper?
	Right, exactly.
	So he's coming out, and the mafia's afraid he's going to take over, like, the New York thing, so they keep him in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and now he basically takes over Tulsa.
	And the first thing he does is he goes to like a weed dispensary in Tulsa and he thinks it's still illegal.
	So he thinks it's like this backroom kind of like operation.
	So he's like punching guys and like taking over.
	Then he's like, no, sir, it's legal now.
	You don't have to worry about anybody.
	He's like, anybody?
	Anybody can come in and buy?
	Yes, anybody can, right?
	Oh, man.
	And so he takes over sort of the drug trade of Tulsa, but it's all legal drugs, right?
	Well, even the drug trade has changed significantly.
	And so what was funny to me is he plays a character who is like 76 or 70, yes, which is exactly how old Sylvester Stallone is right now, right?
	And so the humor in the show is he went away for 25 years, and now he's sort of like thawed out of cryo-freeze kind of thing.
	And I thought about this and I go, you know, that's kind of like a lot of guys when they go and they've been married for...
	I've been married for 28 years, right?
	I'm in the red pill space enough to know, you know, what's going on.
	And you're around women all the time for me.
	So you know what the fuck's going on here.
	I've worked in a casino marketing.
	I've been at Wine and Spirits.
	I'm doing this stuff with Mike and everything like that.
	The thing that's funny to me is the guys that we have that have already joined this group right now, they're like Tulsa King.
	They don't know what Instagram is.
	They don't know how the sexual marketplace has changed because when they got married 25 years ago, it was a global sexual marketplace or a local sexual marketplace.
	They come into 2024 and it's globalized.
	We talk about this all the time.
	You guys talk about it on your show all the time.
	I genuinely believe that is the root cause of...
	Yeah, they can get Drake to get him on a yacht somewhere in Miami, right?
	And it's not even...
	I think people need to have this...
	I think the global sexual marketplace is literally one of the biggest precipitators of the failure of relationships in modern-day society.
	Yeah, because it's choice paradox is what it is.
	I remember when somebody put Fresh on the spot and said, how many girls do you think at colleges or something like that are actually getting flown out to yacht parties in Miami?
	And he said something like 30%, which was crazy.
	But the thing is, what he should have said is it doesn't matter what the percentage is.
	It matters what the perception is.
	So if one of these girls sees one single girl that gets flown out, that's all that it matters to affect the sexual marketplace for that girl.
	Because I'm hotter than that bitch and she got flown out.
	And fuck, that means that I'm at least as valuable as that.
	And I don't want to have anything to do with everybody that's in my local sexual marketplace.
	If the possibility exists that I could get flown out to a yacht party by somebody who's rich and famous and has Lamborghini.
	And this is why I get so mad when guys try to say, and women too, like, oh, that's just Miami girls or whatever the fuck.
	And I'm like, look, you fucking idiots.
	We're starting to get that now too here.
	Yeah, right.
	They're telling you that too, right?
	These are just Vegas girls.
	I think men need to understand, and this is a very uncomfortable reality that we need to just put out there.
	A girl that's mildly attractive or very attractive, there's a high likelihood that she's doing something that monetizes off of her beauty, right?
	I said something...
	It's almost impossible not to now.
	Even indirectly, it's almost possible not to.
	I would say, and I want to get your take on this because I don't think I've told you this before.
	I would say one in five women in today's day and age has done some type of sex work in her lifetime.
	20%.
	20%.
	One in five.
	That's my conservative thing.
	Now, if we're going to take a girl that's hot, that's like...
	7'8", right?
	That's like, can actually make money.
	She can go on a runway.
	She can, you know, model clothing, whatever it is.
	She's hot.
	I would argue better than 50% of those girls have made money doing some type of sex work.
	And why wouldn't they?
	And when I say sex work, that means OnlyFans.
	That means escorting.
	That means sugar babying.
	That means finessing dudes out of money and selling the allure of sex.
	Like, any of this stuff...
	I would argue 50% of girls have participated in some form of casual sex work that are hot.
	And then one in five I think of regular chicks.
	And then the other thing too I don't think people understand is like they'll sit there and say, oh, well, that's just Miami girls or that's just Vegas girls.
	Well, stupid fuck.
	Where do you think these girls come from?
	You think they're from Vegas?
	You think they're from Miami?
	No, they fucking come here from their localized area.
	And they fucking come here for opportunity.
	And hot girls can make it really far in major cities.
	That's why when you go to major cities, why do you see so many hot girls?
	I'll tell you why.
	Because that's where the higher status men are.
	That's right.
	And that's where they want to be.
	There used to be this concept, and I think it was Tom Likas who actually came up with this, was that we should have regional ratings for girls.
	Like a girl who's like an 8 or a 9 in Butte, Montana is like a 6 or a 7 in Vegas kind of thing.
	And I think the principle is sound in that the most beautiful women from those localized areas, just sort of like the Midwest or something like that, They will congregate in Vegas, New York, Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas, wherever.
	They either move here or at least they come and visit here.
	And then that's where they do their dirt.
	And I don't think men understand this.
	They think, no, these girls are good.
	She's from Idaho.
	Shut up, dumbass.
	She's coming here to be the hoe.
	That's what it is.
	She's coming from these places.
	Unless she's wearing that Amish outfit with the collar around something like that.
	And another thing, too, because there's been this explosion of sorority girls dancing on TikTok for Kamala Harris or whatever.
	That's another big thing, too.
	The whole college experience...
	Let me just demystify this for you fucking guys.
	College is a socially acceptable way to spend four years doing drugs and having sex.
	That's what it is.
	I was in college, and thankfully for me, like, I was an athlete, so it kept me away from a lot of stupid shit.
	But all the girls there were fucking sluts.
	They were all, like, 80% were sexually active, if not more, right?
	And then you talk about, like, sorority girls.
	Let me tell you guys something about sororities and fraternities.
	When you're in a sorority or fraternity, what I just said, an acceptable way to spend four years doing it, even more so.
	Guys, you get a lot of free time in college, especially if you're majoring in something stupid.
	Let's just be honest here.
	They're just partying and fucking drinking, especially as undergrads.
	They're just partying and drinking every fucking day.
	That's why so many people flunk out for being drunks.
	And then if your girl like went to a big school, right?
	A big sports school or like a big party school or whatever, big state school, 10, 20,000, you know, up to 50,000 kids.
	Like, bro, like these girls are out here being hoes, man.
	And like girls and then nothing to a majority of like college...
	Enrollees now are women.
	Majority are women now.
	Why is that?
	Ask yourself, why is it?
	Is it like because women are smarter and they want to go to school or whatever?
	No, it's because women tend to be more spontaneous and adventurous and like want to get experiences.
	So like they want to go away from home and do that shit.
	I think a lot of that has to, I think one of the reasons why you see more women in the workplace now, more women in college, more women in Making more money these days is simply because they've been sold this bill of goods that says you can't trust any guys.
	Guys are inherently untrustworthy because you can't trust a guy for your long-term security.
	And to their defense, a lot of men are bums.
	Yeah, they are.
	Exactly.
	It's like this self-defeating negative feedback loop.
	It just keeps coming back all the time.
	And so what happens is if women are taught from a very early age that they can't trust men for their long-term security, They have to go do and generate it for themselves.
	So that's why you get like, I'm an alpha female.
	That's why you get women who want to go to college.
	I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting to go to college, but I'm just saying that the thing is, you should ask yourself, why am I doing this?
	Is it because I have some inherent fear that I'm going to not be able to take care of myself because I can't trust no man?
	Either maybe you have an absent father or no father at all, or have a sort of a weak father.
	And then you've got the idea that if you can't trust men for your long-term security, the only person you can trust is yourself.
	And so whenever I see some of these, I see some women say, like, how do I find, like, I'm 35 years old, Rolo, how do I find a guy?
	Where are the good guys at, right?
	And I'm like, well, they're back in your 20s where you left them.
	But the thing is, is that you, the problem is that you become the man you wanted to marry.
	And by the way, that's not a Rollo Tomasi quote.
	That's a Gloria Steinem quote from the 1970s, by the way.
	I wish I had the sound effect.
	It used to be this.
	Cha-ching.
	Chat.
	It was, some women are becoming the men that they wanted to marry.
	And now here we are in 2024, and we're still saying the same thing.
	I've been on your show, and I have listened to 19-year-old girls say, repeat and parrot back lines I know came from Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, and late 70s militant feminists.
	And for those that are wondering, Gloria Steinem is like the fucking spear, like tip of the spear when it comes to feminism.
	Yeah, back in the day, she was our bodies ourselves in feminine mystique.
	Yeah, the late 60s, early 70s.
	Yeah, and through there.
	And you're still to this day.
	And I always was wondering, and I've tried this on a couple of occasions where I'm talking to women who are between like 19 and say 20, 24, somewhere around there.
	And I'm like, where did you hear that?
	Where did you hear that particular quote?
	They couldn't tell you.
	Maybe they heard it from their mom.
	Maybe they heard it from a Beyonce song.
	I don't know.
	But the thing is, those memes from the late 60s and early 70s keep getting repeated and keep getting recycled.
	And here we are in almost 24 years into the 21st century, and we're still using that vernacular.
	It's so embedded in culture that they can't even tell you where it came from.
	They don't know.
	They could have picked it up from Nickelodeon or Disney Channel.
	Most of them don't even know who Gloria Steinem is.
	Me and you know because we know where the problems are.
	We're educated enough to have an interest in that.
	I'm always curious.
	It's like every generation.
	Zoomers did it.
	Millennials did it.
	Even Gen Xers.
	They're still repeating the same shit.
	And it's like, when are we going to start questioning these things?
	It's really what your ideological epistemology is.
	It's like, how did you come to believe what you believe?
	And most people couldn't tell you how they developed their belief sets.
	And I'm talking about this in terms of intersexual dynamics.
	You could put a religion and politics and everything else.
	But most people can't tell you how they came to believe what they believed, right?
	Let me tell you this.
	Because as you know, I've been...
	You know, experimenting with covering politics and stuff.
	Something that's always intrigued me, but I haven't really talked about it.
	And I will tell you, Rolo, that it starts with the intersexual dynamics.
	I would argue that feminism...
	Was the tip of the spear to all the degeneracy and all the fucked up stuff in society going on right now?
	Whether it's the alphabet community, it's the communist, socialist values, a lot of the Democrats that we got.
	It's no coincidence that in, what was it, Seneca Falls was the Seneca Falls Convention of 1849, which is really where you kind of pegged the beginning of modern-day feminists.
	It's where the suffragettes started, right?
	Seneca Falls, I think it was New York or something like that.
	And that's when they had sort of like the list of grievances and everything.
	And from that point on, right up until August 1920, when the 19th Amendment was ratified, you had that for about 50 or 70 years of the suffragettes and everything else that was going on at that time.
	And it's no coincidence that it was at the same time that Karl Marx and the communists came up right about that time as well.
	They had a very common core.
	Every single one of these isms that caused societal decay started with feminism.
	I would argue feminism was the Trojan horse that allowed all the other problems to come in with it.
	Because people think, oh yeah, there's innocent equality, blah, blah, blah.
	I agree with that, but I think it's incomplete.
	I think you're going to have to also add in.
	I've said this on several different occasions when people ask me about feminism.
	I don't think there are waves of feminism.
	I think there's only one feminism.
	Well, they want to say, well, you know, the suffragettes were good.
	No, the suffragettes were treated as terrorists in the UK and the United States.
	They planned bombings.
	They planned political assassinations.
	They bombed police precincts.
	They're very, very racist in the very beginning of it.
	They didn't want black women to have any votes.
	They just wanted white women to have votes, right?
	And so there's a lot that was going on in that 70-year period between like Seneca Falls and ratifying the 19th Amendment, right?
	So then women get votes.
	Now what?
	Well, that's not enough.
	Now we've got to keep going from that point.
	And really, there's never been any waves of feminism.
	It's just the same thing, but it's been broken up by two world wars, Vietnam, Korea, civil unrest, the Bolsheviks, wherever you are, you happen to be in the world.
	Whatever sort of Civil unrest that interrupted that particular stream of feminism right up until 1965.
	And 1965 is when we had the pill.
	And that one piece of technology was the catalyst, I think, for what we know of as sort of like, I call it militant feminism, but like modern day feminism right now is the result of- So you wouldn't make a delineation from- Pre-pill to after-pill?
	Well, the reason I wouldn't make it pre-pill, I would say the sexual revolution, which came in the wake of hormonal birth control.
	Because what happens is, and I've done this, I'm actually considering writing a small book about this, which is The decade between 1965 and 1975.
	And if you look at all the things where it comes with the decline of marriage, right now we are at the lowest marriage rate in recorded history in the United States.
	We are at 6.1 per 1,000 people right now.
	And that goes all the way back to mid-1800s.
	That's as of 2024 or 2023?
	2024.
	And so when they're tracking it, this is the lowest it's ever been.
	If you look at 1965 to where we are right now, The baby boom generation, the marriages went up, and then 65 came, and then they drop off a cliff, and at the same time, divorces go up.
	At one point, when hormonal birth control is introduced in a popularized sense in Western culture, then you've got the sexual revolution, then you've got Woodstock, then you've got the boomers, then you've got no-fault divorce to facilitate all of the new divorces that are coming as a result of the pill.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Well, finish your thought before I ask you this question.
	But look at all the other things that happened since then.
	You've got like then Roe v.
	Wade, 1972, 73, somewhere in there.
	We go off the gold standard in 1971.
	So now women are coming into the workforce and we don't have to worry about giving women credit cards or bank accounts anymore because we're in a fiat currency.
	And here you go, ladies.
	Have all the credit you want.
	Yeah.
	Then we've got, like I said, we've got Roe v.
	Wade.
	So now we have, like, his fast, safe, you know, elective abortions.
	Then you've got Title IX, get more women into college, more women come into the workplace because they're divorcing their husbands and they're single.
	And so now they've got to make money.
	And if you also look at, like, the GDP at that time, you will see gross, you'll see wage earnings flatline.
	But productivity goes to the roof because you have so many women that are now coming into the workplace, but they're not making any more money than the guys are.
	Productivity goes up.
	Mean wages stay the same.
	I'm surprised they even stay the same.
	If anything, I would think it would go down.
	They go up a little bit with inflation and everything.
	But if you compare it to productivity, productivity goes up to the roof and mean wages stay the same.
	And then you just go through, I think the golden era for feminism was really about the mid-90s because we didn't have the internet, we didn't have communication, we didn't have the kind of mass communication that we have right now.
	And right around 2000 to the mid-2000s, what happens when we have mass communication worldwide?
	Now we're globalizing that much more and it's not just the economy that globalizes, it's the sexual marketplace that globalizes right around, you know, right through 2000 through 2010.
	That's where you see the rise of the seduction community.
	That's when it's no coincidence that the pickup artists in the forum eras, when we're on So Suave or Alt-Fast Seduction or the Venusian Arts, that's when all of that stuff came up.
	The game, the book with Neil Strauss and Mystery Method, that comes out in 2005, right in between all of that.
	And the reason for that is because now we can compare notes and now we have a new technology that allows men to sort of get together and collectively talk about this stuff.
	You want to know where the rational male came from?
	It came from about 10 or 12 years of me being on the SOSWA forums and having all of these conversations with these guys and then collecting all of that, putting it into cohesive blog posts and essays.
	I'm essentially an essayist.
	And then those found their ways into the chapters of the book.
	And so now we go through the teens and now we're in the 2020s right now.
	But if you look at the progression from where feminism sort of peaked, I think, you'll see it's in, like, nobody knows.
	It's at its peak because it can enjoy the ignorance of most people because nobody's comparing notes, nobody's talking about it.
	In fact, it's really kind of like improper behavior.
	It's inappropriate to talk about female nature.
	We plotted the human genome.
	All this technology that's happened.
	Let me ask you this question.
	I don't want to interrupt you.
	So you mentioned pre-1965 and after 1965.
	Would it be fair to say that Pre-pill, women more and more concerned with civil rights, equality in the workforce, being taken seriously in general, right?
	And then after 1965, it was more about sexual autonomy?
	Yeah, for sure.
	And because of one invention, you've got to remember just the impact of a chemical divide, because I think it's James Sexton calls it a technology, and it is.
	It's a chemical technology that allows a woman To have sex without having to worry about, relatively speaking, we're worried about pregnancy.
	And if you look at all of the social changes that cascaded down from one invention, and you look at how men like now suddenly during the 70s, you don't want to be a macho man anymore.
	And that's like, you want to get in touch with your feminine side and all this Jungian psychology comes to anima, animus.
	Becomes a big deal.
	And all of this emotionalism, like the emotionalism that I talk about all the time, because I always talk about the difference between like empiricism and emotionalism.
	That emotionalism started right after the sexual revolution because guys wanted to get in touch with their feelings.
	They wanted to identify with women.
	They wanted to be on Team Woman because they, exactly, it's sneaky fucker game.
	They wanted to be and identify more like women so that they could get in there and like, oh, you're not like other guys.
	Those other guys are, you know, patriarchal bastards.
	You're not like that at all.
	You're a modern guy.
	What's a modern guy?
	A metrosexual, right?
	What's a modern guy?
	It's a guy who's in touch with his feelings.
	And we still have, again, we still have that legacy today.
	When I go and I look at like Justin Baldini's site and the rest of these guys who are, they're redirecting my traffic and your traffic too right now.
	It's like man bun, you know, masculinity sites and it's the same shit that...
	Seriously, you can track the same words that they're talking about in 2024 all the way back to the mid-70s with guys trying to sort of go to their drum circles and burn patchouli oil and shit like that and just get in touch with their feminine side.
	And a lot of that emotionalism is a direct result of the fact that these guys, men knew too, like the boomer generation.
	We keep going back to the Woodstocks and all that other shit.
	The boomer generation of men, they were on board.
	Fuck yeah, what pill that you can take?
	No one's been able to do that in the history of humanity to be able to fuck and not have to worry about getting pregnant.
	It's crazy.
	It's like eating candy and not getting fat.
	That's like post-sexual revolution.
	Now, prior to that, my mother-in-law is a pre-sexual revolution generation, right?
	And she used to say, she used to tell me this, is like when the first like fertility clinics came out, sperm banks, people were losing their minds over it because they said that women will go and electively do this so that they can have babies without a father, right?
	And that was a scandal prior to the sexual revolution because if you had a child out of wedlock before 1965 in the 50s, early 60s, you would have, and it doesn't matter what religion you are.
	It was just a social stigma.
	If you had a daughter that got pregnant in high school at 16 or 17, she told me that they would have to put that girl away.
	That's what they say.
	Put her away.
	Which meant she would either have to go have the baby and put it up for adoption or the baby would be had and then it would be parented by the grandparents.
	Because the parents didn't...
	It was brought shame on the family as a result of that.
	So when we go back to the story...
	I don't think Americans understand that this was a very shunned upon thing.
	I think it's Ted Bundy's mom, if I'm not mistaken.
	She had him.
	Father wasn't there out of wedlock.
	And they had to live in...
	They had these homes for single moms.
	Yeah.
	I forget what it's called, but they're defunct now.
	They don't exist.
	The stigma for being a single mother prior to the sexual revolution was scandalous.
	Afterwards, in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, you're a fucking superhero.
	You're doing it all.
	I never needed a dad.
	You can do both of them just fine.
	Interesting story.
	During the civil rights era, there was a woman that did exactly what Rosa Parks did.
	Didn't want to give up her seat, etc.
	She was a single mom though.
	So they didn't want to push that.
	They didn't want to use her.
	They didn't want to use her as the...
	So they let a ride.
	Hey, sorry, we're not going to prop up your story about you not wanting to get up.
	They waited until Rosa Parks did it because Rosa Parks wasn't a single mom.
	That's how powerful it was back then.
	Nowadays, women are fucking proud to be a single mom.
	And electively do so.
	I'll tell you what's funny is I've been reading these stories about these guys.
	They brag about it.
	They're in Denmark or in Amsterdam or something like that.
	They're sort of like black market sperm donors right now.
	And it's a real problem because these guys are sought out.
	There's guys on this sort of...
	Maybe they're dark websites or web 2.0 sites.
	But these guys basically will give you a donation of sperm.
	And there's certain individuals that are so popular that they keep getting chosen over and over and over again.
	The problem with that is the guy is siring dozens and dozens of kids with random women.
	And that can be a problem if those kids end up meeting each other and getting together in the future kind of thing.
	So it's this inbreeding that goes along with that.
	And so, like, that is a modern-day contemporary problem that we have right now as a result of one invention that was amplified by technology later on.
	And you talk about that, too, how, you know, these guys in 1965 with this birth control, right?
	Like, the women's rights movement was more about, like, civil liberties, voting, all this other stuff.
	Then after 1965, it's sexual autonomy.
	And I think, like, I mean, you've talked about this before.
	The guys thought, yes, we're all going to get laid.
	This is going to be awesome.
	They didn't realize they were just basically selling themselves out.
	They didn't know.
	Fuck, I can get laid and I don't have to worry about pregnancy.
	Hypergamy reared its ugly head and they're like, oh, well, now effectively 80-90% of you guys are fucking sexed out.
	I think what happens is when people talk about it, I hear tradcons talk about this all the time.
	They go, well, it's the guy's fault because they couldn't keep their dicks in their pants.
	It's a new technology.
	They don't know what's going to happen.
	They only see what the proximate outcome is, which is I can get laid and I don't have to worry about a baby?
	Fuck yeah.
	Caffeine?
	Yeah.
	When I make the distinction between pre-sexual revolution and post-sexual revolution, I don't think it's so much about the...
	I don't think it's so much about the sexual permissiveness as it is the fact that you have to look at the root technologies that allowed for that mentality to exist in the first place.
	So when people want to blame baby boomer men for not being able to keep their dicks in their pants, it's like, well, yeah, you would have done the same thing because it's brand new.
	It's something that you've never had in the history of mankind.
	If a technology came out today, right?
	Oh, and there will be something.
	Oh, yeah.
	You can eat as many calories as you want and you won't get fat.
	Dude, People are going to be fucking eating themselves into fucking death with candy and all this other stuff.
	But what's going to happen?
	They're going to get sick.
	They're going to feel like crap.
	Their teeth are going to rot.
	There's always negative consequences to something that you think...
	We never look at it in terms of those...
	We don't look in the long term.
	There's a really great line in Jurassic Park where they say you're so preoccupied with...
	Can we do this?
	Rather than, should we do this?
	Because we don't know what the long-term implications are for humanity.
	We just thought it was great.
	Oh, well, women have the right to choose.
	If you look at abortion right now, abortion is basically a fail-safe For bad reproductive choices.
	Those bad reproductive choices as caused by a technology that allows you to have sex without pregnancy.
	Actually, we're on this topic.
	Yeah, I was going to say.
	Keep going around.
	The Twitter one, yeah.
	Keep going, Rolo.
	Are you out?
	I don't.
	Oh, do I have the keys?
	Yeah, I do have the keys.
	You want the fob?
	Yeah, I got the fob.
	Oh, thank you, bro.
	Yeah, you just get some caffeine.
	You want anything?
	This is my third stream.
	I'm dying.
	No, no.
	I'm fine.
	Just so you guys know, look, you guys better work fucking hard, man.
	I went to the gym this morning, like three hours of sleep, did a stream with the Hot Swans.
	I'm here with Rolo.
	We're still going hard to pay.
	I'm getting some goddamn caffeine because...
	I'm tired.
	We're going to keep going.
	That's my diet plan, by the way.
	Caffeine and stress.
	That's how I stay svelte.
	Okay, so sorry.
	You were talking about the...
	I think that as far as sexual permissiveness is concerned, I think it's just the natural outcome of a technology that humanity wasn't ready for.
	It's what's called...
	You think humanity wasn't ready for it?
	No, of course not.
	Not to the sense where we would see...
	We didn't want to look down the road and what would be the possible implications of social implications.
	You know what's scary?
	It's 2024 and we've had, what, 60 plus years of birth control?
	And...
	We still haven't fine-tuned it.
	It still has massively bad side effects for a lot of women.
	It still causes a lot of issues.
	It's still incredibly unhealthy.
	I can't even imagine what birth control is like back in 1965.
	It was way more primitive, probably sucky side effects, etc.
	But Yeah, we always look at it like, oh yeah, this is great.
	Like, you know, and made a great quote.
	Like, hey, could we do this?
	But should we do this?
	Should we actually do this?
	And the reality is, it's like the same thing.
	Like, if we came out with a pill where you don't gain weight, but you can eat whatever you want.
	Well, there's always going to be side consequences to that.
	For example, you can now eat as much candy as you want.
	Your teeth are going to rot.
	You're probably going to get some diabetes.
	You're probably going to still feel like crap because when you eat a lot of candy, you know, you get that really sick, nauseous feeling.
	So there's always something that comes into play.
	And there's downstream effects that you're going to have to worry about.
	Always side effects.
	In my fourth book, The Rational Male Religion, in the introduction, I was actually, I think it was the first introduction, the first section of it.
	I mentioned this.
	I said, look, every so often in human history, there comes a technology that we are not, we're completely unprepared for, like nuclear weapons.
	Like when we drop the bombs on Hiroshima and everything, we can do this.
	Should we do this?
	Yeah, good point.
	And there's ethical implications, but not even so much that.
	That one technology fundamentally changed geopolitics forever.
	And it's what I call every now and then, remember in the Bible how it's like there's the tree of knowledge and Eve eats the apple from it.
	I look at that sort of as like sort of an allegory or metaphor for every now and then there's a technology or there's some new thing that drops from the tree of knowledge and we have this and now we have the responsibility to do something with this, right?
	Atomic weapons, obviously, okay?
	The printing press from the Gutenberg press back in like 1480 or something, something like that.
	That was a technology that increased literacy in Western Europe.
	And what did it do?
	It also caused wars between the Protestants and the Catholics back then because now everybody could read the Bible and they could say, you guys, there's some chicanery going on here with the Catholic Church and so now we're going to be the Protestants.
	Martin Luther knocks the stuff to the door there.
	As a result of one technology, the Gutenberg Press, movable type.
	Okay?
	So fast forward to 1965.
	That's another apple that falls off the tree of knowledge.
	And now we have to find some way to deal with this.
	And not only just the fact that, hey, this is a great new technology.
	We can fuck and we don't have to worry about getting pregnant.
	But it's fundamental.
	The internet.
	The internet is just as big a deal as the Gutenberg Press.
	And so when I talk about these new technologies that drop off the tree of knowledge, it's sort of, like I said, it's a metaphor for what's known as evolutionary gap.
	And it means that technology advances way faster than our evolution and our instincts are.
	Can process that and see ahead of the game.
	So, for instance, like one of the Wright brothers start flying 1906 or 1910 or something like that.
	By the 50s, we have jet engines and we've got Sabre jets and we've got Phantom jets in the 1970s in less than a hundred and under a hundred years, right?
	We did put a man on the moon in the 60s from, you know, but we were flying in 1910, right?
	Then we have computing.
	If you look at the computers of, say, the mid-80s to this right now, you have the access to all the world's information on this one device right here.
	If I was to take this back to the 70s, people would think I was the devil.
	Yeah, they would.
	They'd probably execute you.
	What is this?
	Yeah, exactly.
	The smartphone.
	There's a couple of events that come along that literally change humanity.
	Social media is one of those too.
	Yes.
	Pornography.
	Digital pornography is one of those as well.
	People don't know that it's one of those yet.
	That's the issue.
	People don't know yet that social media is one of these situations, like a birth control, etc.
	They don't know yet.
	But I promise you, I would argue...
	15 years, right?
	When I'm probably right around your age, and then my brother, the Gen Zers are adults, or they're starting to become in their 30s.
	Elderly?
	Yeah.
	When the Gen Zers get into their 30s.
	We're kind of getting there.
	The Gen Zers, because they grew up on cell phones.
	They grew up on iPads, etc.
	When they become in their 30s, they're going to be able to look back and say, yeah, this is a fucking problem.
	Because now we've had a few generations that have dealt with social media and lived through it.
	And I think they're going to be able to effectively look back and say, yeah.
	Because the bills are going to come due.
	Because there's going to be long-term consequences.
	And they're going to realize what those were as a result of what they were doing in their 20s.
	People are slowly picking up on it now.
	But I don't think it's created enough of an impact yet.
	We need another generation or two to wake up and be like, what the fuck are we doing?
	Yeah, exactly.
	And I think the most destructive of them is Instagram.
	Yeah, Instagram.
	I love Twitter, but, you know, I gotta say, you know, it's social media in general because, and I think it was another quote I did in the religion book, Zuby said, I'm going to paraphrase Zuby here, but human beings were never, never evolved to have the kind of communication that we have today.
	We evolved to be in hunter-gratherer tribes of 100, 150.
	And that was our local sexual marketplace.
	That was who you knew everybody in your group.
	You knew who the elders were.
	You knew who the youngsters were and everything else.
	And now we have this ability.
	And I was just bringing this up with Mike Sartain because I'm 56.
	Mike's 46.
	Sterling Cooper's 36.
	There's 10 years difference between all of this and I think Kyle's like 26.
	I don't even think about So when chicks come up to me and go, oh, it's not appropriate for a 46-year-old to be with a 22-year-old girl.
	I said, yeah, in the 20th century.
	In the 21st century, we do things a little bit differently right now because we have this globalized community right now.
	And if that's the way it works, then that's the way it works for them.
	I just saw these stats.
	Maybe you saw these stats, too.
	It's like 63% of...
	These are Gen Zers, right?
	So 18 to 29% 63% of men, males of 18 to 29, they identify as being single.
	Not in a relationship, but being single.
	37% of women in that same demographic identify as being single.
	So you're looking at at least 67% of those women Identify as being in a relationship, but they're not being in the relationship with their peers.
	They would have to be at least 30 or more.
	They would have to be outside of that, or else they're all fucking the same guy in 18 to 29, which might be the case.
	So they're either dating older or they're dating the same guys in that same age cohort right there.
	That is a direct result, once again, of the technology because now we have the, like when in human history did women have the ability to talk to, like a 22 year old, to talk to a 46 year old, like Kylie, which is Mike's girlfriend, 22, he's 46.
	Yeah.
	Where would that have ever happened?
	And she's from like a part of the globalization that they would have never met.
	Like it would have never happened.
	And that comes back to like the whole, you know, the pill was just the beginning of like this whole, like you said, the sexual revolution.
	But like, what is the sexual revolution exactly?
	Well, it's the pill.
	So now you don't have negative consequences for sex.
	Now that that's taken out the way...
	That's the social downstream effect.
	Now we can go ahead and start focusing on like, okay, how are we going to meet?
	What can you do?
	How far can you go along the sides?
	Because there's no negative consequence anymore.
	And that comes back perfectly, actually, to this video that me and you were talking about before the show.
	Let's pull this up real quick.
	So this comes from...
	One of the videos, this comes from Caller Daddy, right?
	And this podcast is so stupid.
	Look at that.
	I love that capture right there.
	Let's just play the video.
	That's Gen Z right there.
	And then we won't even read the caption yet.
	We'll just play the video and then we'll go ahead and let that play.
	So yeah, let's roll that clip.
	Thank you.
	I don't know if you see video, bro.
	They see me.
	They see me.
	Yeah, they don't see the video.
	Yeah.
	I think they can hear it, but they can't see it.
	Okay.
	Hold on, guys.
	Sorry about that.
	We're going to fix it right now.
	Bill's in the back right now.
	Can y'all see it?
	Okay.
	Yeah, we're down the bottom there.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Let's fuck it.
	Just run it back.
	Sorry about that chat.
	We got y'all.
	I know all of you at home watching this or listening are like, why the fuck?
	Did you guys think that she looks the way she sounds, by the way?
	Did she sound like a blonde?
	Give me ones in the chat if she sounded like a bimbo blonde.
	Okay, give me ones in the chat if you guys, like, literally the voice matches the fucking face.
	Now that you guys actually see her, we can make fun with this.
	So, yeah, this is fucking funny, man.
	Give me ones if you guys believe, like, you know, if the voice matches the fucking looks.
	All right, let's roll it.
	I know all of you at home watching this or listening are like, why the fuck didn't I just go home?
	And I still to this day can't fully articulate why I didn't leave, which sadly I think is so fucking relatable for women.
	Why didn't you leave?
	You were uncomfortable.
	What did you think was going to change?
	Why did you stay?
	I think as backwards as it sounds, because of how uncomfortable and awkward it was with this person, I didn't know what to do other than stay and suck it up.
	I didn't want to make the other person feel more uncomfortable, so I tried to appease the situation and make it better because staying and being miserable somehow felt easier than pissing someone off and getting in this fight and leaving and acknowledging how awkward it was.
	And since he wasn't saying anything, I was not going to say anything.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Maybe only women will understand that, but it is confusing, and yet it's not confusing at all.
	I feel like we've all been there, where we're like, I didn't really want to do that, or I wasn't really into it, but then I didn't know how to get myself out of the situation, and I'm in an apartment with these two men, and he had already been being snappy.
	It was awful.
	It was a bad situation.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	And the girl, right?
	And this is the girl that actually comments this.
	Scroll down.
	Let's look at the first comment.
	And she goes...
	Can you enlarge that for me, Bill, because I'm blind as hell?
	I can kind of see it.
	So, she goes, and this girl probably watches Fresh and Fit, bro, because this sounds too damn good.
	Because I've said this before.
	Women will say shit like this and wonder why the entire planet and every major religion has imposed strict social restrictions on their sovereignty since the dawn of time in every place humans have ever lived.
	It's a meme phrase, but it's so true.
	Women need authority.
	They need protection from their worst impulses and from men who are dangerous and lecherous.
	Lecherous.
	I've never heard that term before.
	Never heard that term before.
	Is that even a word?
	Yes, it is.
	Oh, yeah.
	It is a word?
	Oh, yeah.
	Creepy.
	Creepy.
	Lecherous.
	Okay.
	Creepy.
	Lecherous.
	And here's the thing that's scary, right?
	Call Her Daddy, I would argue, is probably the most popular female podcast, right?
	Is it still on Barstool?
	Or did they leave?
	Because I didn't know if they separated.
	Can you fact check that for us, Bills?
	Because I don't know.
	I remember there used to be two chicks, and now I guess it's just Wonder Woman.
	And here's the thing that's scary.
	This girl can't make a concrete decision.
	And I think this is like 60 years of female sovereignty.
	This is where we are.
	It's like they've had this sovereignty for such a long time.
	Feminism is here, etc.
	But when it comes to something as important as making mating decisions, they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
	They can't make a decision, etc.
	And this is a lot of times where the Me Too situation comes in.
	Not to take it to a dark place, but...
	These girls don't know what they're doing.
	They hook up with a guy.
	They weren't sure of it.
	And then at the time they consented, but then they feel bad about it after.
	Now it's regret.
	And then they try to go ahead and insinuate that that's sexual assault or something.
	And this is, I think, why every single religion in all different types of societies at the beginning of time, they've placed super strong barriers on female sexuality and sovereignty and, most importantly, also female hypergamy as well.
	If you look at all the religions, Whether it's Christianity, Islam, whatever, it's like women were severely punished for exercising their hypergamy.
	Oh, you want to go ahead and cheat?
	Stoned.
	In Christianity, in Islam, and I think in Judaism, a married woman committing adultery is punishable by death.
	For men, too.
	You have to remember why those proscriptions existed in the first place.
	For men, in general, unless you're both white and the baby comes out black, You're not 100% sure if the baby's going to be yours.
	So that's why we have institutions like marriage to ensure paternity for guys.
	So that's why you're saying, well, if women practiced or were in any way granted some sort of unfettered freedom with hypergamy, The possibility that the child is not yours or you could get cuckolded is that much higher as a result of that.
	Again, what technology?
	Unfettered hypergamy.
	Hormonal birth control.
	Yep.
	So when you look at certain, like, rituals and you look at certain, like, even prearranged marriages, for example, those prearranged marriages, the thing that gets me is every time I talk about marriage or, like, what's the purpose of marriage, Rolo?
	It's because aristocrats and the noblemen wanted to, you know, form alliances back in Western Europe.
	Yeah.
	You know, wherever they were.
	I'm like, no, dude.
	Like, more than just rich, noble aristocrats in Europe got married.
	Peasants got married every fucking day, okay?
	So there must be something else just besides forming political alliances between Spain and France, okay?
	So when we're talking- Yeah, at the highest levels, it was for alliances.
	Well, what I do, the way that I look at marriage over the course of history is that it's a formalization of monogamy.
	It's, this is, okay, you want to be monogamous to me?
	I do.
	Stabilizes society.
	Okay, let's go get in front of all of our families and our friends and God himself, and we're going to make these vows.
	And not only are our family and our friends and everybody that knows, I'm going to put this ring on you to say that, you know, this is official kind of thing.
	Now, this is before there's, you know, this is before the state gets involved.
	You know, we're talking in like medieval Europe and whatever.
	Those marriages were really a formalization of monogamy.
	There's no marriage certificates or anything, unless it was an official treaty between France and Spain or something like that.
	It was just two peasants marrying.
	There's no marriage certificates.
	You got a ring?
	Yes, that's my husband, that's my wife.
	We all got married together on this particular day, and now we are officially man and wife.
	Okay, so that's just simply a formalization because everybody agrees upon it and all your friends do.
	And if one of you breaks that agreement, then you have this sort of social institution that's there to buffer between the man and the woman cheats.
	You got your family and your friends and you got the church and everybody else involved.
	To sort of keep you guys in line.
	Now, that's one way of ensuring that the baby that comes out of that woman is the husband's baby that comes out of that woman, at least as best a policy as they can arrange at that time.
	And then if you look at pre-arranged marriages, for example, And it stabilizes society, too.
	Monogamy keeps men from doing crazy shit.
	In the 21st century, I don't think that prearranged marriages are something that is tenable today, but I do understand why they've been a thing over the course of history.
	And again, it wasn't, oh, I'm going to trade my daughter for 50 shekels and 30 heads of sheep or something like that.
	It was more about, for instance, I'm the father of a daughter.
	And if I wanted, if there's a formal, my son-in-law came to me before they were going to get married and he asked for permission to marry my daughter.
	And of course, I'm Rola Tomasi, so I got to chew his ear off for two hours, right?
	Of course.
	So I said, do you know what you're asking me?
	Of course, he thinks it's some sort of romantic gesture that he had to do because my daughter put him up to it or something like that.
	So I said, I know you think this is just some sort of formality.
	I said, but it's not.
	I said, ask yourself what you're doing here.
	Because there's a reason why a man asks the father of the bride for permission.
	And it's not because she's a piece of property or anything like that.
	It's because what that guy is asking you is, can I join my tribe with your tribe?
	Can I join my clan with your clan?
	Is my parents and my upbringing, my genealogy and everybody who's on my side of the wedding, are we going to all be cool?
	Are we going to now have this sort of like mixed tribe together or this mixed clan or this mixed families together?
	When a man and a woman get married and they get together, it's not just about the two individuals involved.
	It's about any children that come out of that.
	It's about two families.
	It's about grandparents.
	It's about great-grandparents.
	It's about friends.
	It's about so much more.
	If you look at it, one marriage causes ripple effects and a cascade effect around those two people that affects the lives of everybody from the children to your fucking dogs, man.
	I mean, everything.
	And so I told him, I said, what you're asking me is, is my family cool enough to be with your family?
	And the answer to that was yes at the time, of course.
	So it's not just about, that's why when a couple eloped, that's why that was so frowned upon back then.
	Because what it was, it was basically giving the finger to both sides of the family and say, we're going to go off and elope and we don't care what you have to say.
	Because we don't care about the two families co-mingling and becoming one family as a result.
	You know, I think the other thing, too, why arranged marriages were such a thing, and going back to female sovereignty when it comes to sexual autonomy, I think, controversial take, I think female sexual autonomy is a problem.
	And the reason why is that women make really bad decisions with partners most of the time.
	What do they look for when they're at their highest value and they're young and hot?
	They want a bad boy that's good-looking, has a bunch of money, and, you know, commitment-phobe, right?
	What'll end up happening is like her need for excitement overrides her need for security.
	The roller coaster.
	She needs the roller coaster.
	Yeah.
	And then as she gets older, that need for security goes up in priority.
	But the problem is that her value is diminishing as she's looking for the security.
	She's less able to get it.
	She's less able to get it when she's younger and more attractive, less able to afterwards.
	And this is why I say all the time, I think the father or at least a brother or an uncle, someone close to that woman needs to be involved in the mating process because the brother or one of these guys, like they don't have a sexual interest in her.
	So they're going to be able to size that guy up and be like, no, this guy's fucking bad for you.
	This guy is here in a Harley with a leather jacket.
	He just wants to have sex with you and never take you seriously.
	I'm here to protect you from yourself, you dumb bitch.
	Make sure you don't make bad decisions.
	I don't want you to lose value because if you lose value and you're not able to find a mate, I'm still responsible for you, right?
	The dad...
	That's why women never left the house.
	The dad knew, if I don't marry her off, I'm going to be responsible for her.
	So if I have to keep giving her resources and paying for this, well, I'm going to have a stake in who the hell she marries and who she gets involved with.
	And then you can't finesse another dude because the guy's going to ask the real questions.
	Hey, what do you do for work?
	What are your plans?
	Are you in school right now?
	They're going to ask the real questions, whereas girls are going to kind of...
	What do you do?
	And then you get fooled.
	Funny you should say fooled.
	When I was doing the research work for my fourth book, Religion, I had to talk to a lot of people of different varieties of religions.
	I talked to Muslims, I talked to Christians, I talked to Jews, I talked to Hindus, I talked to Sikhs.
	I think if I was going to convert, if I was going to do anything other than what I do, I'd be a Sikh.
	I would be a fucking Sikh.
	Those guys got it going on.
	Sorry, they'll never let you in.
	Who are we talking about?
	They'll never let you in.
	It's the only one left to me.
	Everybody's like, Tate went to be a Muslim and Rush got to be Eastern Orthodox.
	I guess it's the Jews I'm left with.
	I guess I'll have to go with that.
	The yarmulkes are pretty cool.
	Me and Eric Clary will just get together.
	Well, he's already part of the yarmulkes crew.
	What I was going to say is that I had to talk to these guys quite a bit.
	A lot of the men in Islam, they line up exactly with what you're talking about.
	That's why I said I understand the want for it because if you have an older man who understands the nature of men in general, for instance, I think it was Abu Amir, he was telling me He has sons and he has daughters.
	He says, I don't want my sons to be with ugly bitches.
	I'm going to find them good-looking women that I would want in my family.
	He's making a family decision, not only that, but also to find out what the best interest of his son is, as well as his daughters.
	He doesn't want his daughters to be with some bums or some fat dudes either.
	He wants a guy who can work out.
	He has good prospects and everything.
	He's looking out for the best interest in an ideal world.
	The father, a good father, a good patriarchal father is going to look out for the best interests of his sons and his daughters.
	Absolutely.
	And as a father of a daughter, I understand.
	And I would argue with the daughter, it's even more important.
	Because I look at women kind of like as glass.
	What I mean by that is like...
	They don't handle trauma well, right?
	Like, they're not built to deal with trauma and they don't become sexier from dealing with trauma.
	Scars on a man is good.
	Scars on a woman are not fucking good.
	And, like, if you shatter a piece of glass, right, or a glass cup, right, and then you try to put water, you tape it back and everything, you try to put water in it, it's always going to leak, right?
	That's why I always say, like, girls that are former sex workers or girls that were, like, super promiscuous in the past, they'll never be good to you because...
	Another OnlyFans.
	Another technology that women are not prepared for.
	Yeah.
	They don't see the downstream, the long-term effects.
	In fact, I don't.
	Nobody does.
	We've never seen this.
	I mean, it's only been around...
	I mean, it's only been popularized since about 2020.
	My prediction is we're going to see...
	In 20 years, we're going to see so many women tattooed, single, wrinkled, looking crazy...
	Used to be OnlyFans chicks, used to be sex workers, used to be sugar babies, whatever it may be.
	Because it's cool, so we're going to know who they are.
	Because they're on the internet flying right now.
	And the internet never hides anything.
	You'll be able to find it.
	And you're going to see, the past is going to come to haunt a lot of these girls, man.
	And going back to what I was saying about the father being involved, etc., Like, this girl right here, she doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about.
	Oh, well, I don't know this and that.
	She's just a bunch of fucking word salad.
	She couldn't, like, make a conclusive decision because, like, because the guy is clearly attractive, right?
	But she knows he's not good for her to some degree, but she doesn't have the ability to, like, make a decision because there wasn't a man in there to help her with, like, figuring this out.
	I'm sure you watched Tinder Swindler.
	Oh, yeah, for sure.
	You know what?
	I watched that whole thing and I was just, like, beside myself.
	I'm like...
	Where is the main girl?
	Like, where is the father?
	Where is her brother?
	Where is her uncle?
	Where is a responsible adult male to say, no, bitch, you're not getting on this fucking airplane with this dude you just met 45 minutes ago on fucking Tinder.
	He's smart.
	He went after...
	Women that were all in their epiphany phase.
	Every single one of them, I think, were in their late 20s.
	Yeah, they were all post-30s.
	They were all post-30s?
	Okay, I was thinking in my head they were either late 20s or in their 30s.
	They were trying to look for the ship to come in.
	Yeah, and when women, they could say whatever the fuck they want to say.
	You guys, it was the Chad, right?
	Multi-millionaire, etc., Jet, all this shit.
	They're like, oh my god, finally it's here!
	And let's be honest, a lot of these girls were probably 304s when they were younger, and they know they don't qualify for this type of guy, but they're like, oh my god, he's here.
	That one girl took out nine bank loans for this guy.
	After the first two, you're going to...
	But when you get to the third one, where's dad?
	Where's brother?
	Where's a guy to step in?
	And of course, I made this observation when the film came out and everything.
	I was talking about it on my own show.
	And women lost their fucking minds, man.
	They were like, how dare you?
	She can make her own decisions.
	She isn't a man to come step in and do anything for her.
	I'm like, the whole fucking show is about this guy taking this girl to the cleaner for fucking nine fucking bank loans.
	And had one responsible dude, a friend, I don't care, some positively masculine motherfucker steps in and says, no, you're going to get killed if you go on this plane to go to, I don't know, Mykonos, where the fuck they were going, right?
	And it's like nothing sat...
	Wrong with her throughout the whole courtship or whatever it was.
	Well, he did the whole thing with several other girls as well.
	Probably still doing it today, right?
	I think they want him in a couple countries.
	Oh, I'm sure he is.
	The guy's passing off bullshit like he's a Mossad agent.
	He's a diamond merchant.
	He's this.
	He's that.
	Whatever.
	And I'm just like, where is the guy to step in and say...
	What the fuck are you doing?
	To say, no, I'm going to physically restrain you from going and getting on this private jet and flying off to who knows where to get sold into white slavery or whatever the fuck it is.
	Where is the guy?
	The answer is nowhere.
	You know why no guy steps up?
	because no guys are because we have acculturated and we have taught men and we have socialized men that it is not our place to do that she's she's a woman she's an adult she can go and make her own decisions right and so like you probably also remember like just not too long i think it was this year um yeah it would have been like right around march or april and like um some guys were going around like i think it was new york or something like that and they're just like cold cocking women oh yeah right There was a guy walking around punching women.
	Crazy.
	The one guy who steps in to defend women, he's the one that goes to jail because of the laws or whatever it is, right?
	And so what happens is then women are losing their shit.
	They're going, how come men aren't protecting us?
	We're the protectors.
	And so if a guy such as myself or you or anybody else says, women need men to watch out for them, to protect them.
	You know what the snarky comeback is?
	Protect them from who?
	Other men?
	Like, yeah.
	You're 100% fucking right.
	Protect them from other men.
	Because if you don't, and of course, I'm the asshole and I go, protect you from yourselves.
	That too.
	Because you're going to have this cognitive dissonance between I don't need no man to protect me and oh my god, people are running around New York cold cocking random women and it's men's fault for not being masculine machismo men to come out and defend us.
	Oh, here's one and he went to jail for a result of it.
	So it's this Like I said, this cascade effect.
	Leads to a lot of problems, man.
	Exactly.
	And all because of this sort of hubris and this idea that, well, it doesn't matter.
	I can protect myself.
	No, no, you can't.
	And when you can't, who do you go to?
	You go and say it's men's fault for not protecting it.
	And here's what sucks even more.
	Because I literally tweeted this and I said that this is a problem because this girl has a massive amount of influence.
	People actually tune into this stupid podcast, right?
	This brainless fucking podcast where they talk about being hoes.
	And to me, I look at it like...
	Okay, so the chat listens to her voice, right?
	And they didn't see what she looked like.
	Put her on screen, they're like, yep, sounded like what she fucking looked like, right?
	Ridiculous.
	But women watch that instead of watching Candace Owens.
	Or they don't watch these women who I would consider are positive female role models.
	They'd rather watch this stupid bimbo talk about, yeah, I hooked up with him, but I don't know.
	Am I right?
	Am I right, girls?
	Am I right?
	And all you're doing is you're perpetuating Female indecisiveness with very serious decisions.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, you can go ahead and put yourself in a very precarious, dangerous situation where you end up the victim of sexual assault, or you regret the sex after the fact, and then like, you know, now you're going ahead and making a bullshit me too accusation, no one believes you, whatever.
	So it's like, The thing that's interesting is she will do this solo.
	No one else.
	She's just talking to the wind.
	Or whoever's listening that she knows is going to listen to.
	That was a bunch of words out, by the way.
	She made no points and she has a podcast.
	Isn't that scary?
	Her brain is in a kernel panic.
	She doesn't know which way to go with it because if she goes one direction, it contradicts going the decisions that she made for the other direction.
	And so she's there trying to sort this out for herself and wondering why she's in this precarious...
	And of course, it's all men's fault, right?
	But the reason why she's having this is because she's trying to sort out cognitive dissonance for herself.
	And there's one very simple cure for that.
	You listen to dad.
	You listen to your brother.
	You listen, like, have somebody step in and make the decision for you.
	Yeah, maybe it sucks, but maybe they're trying to protect you from yourself, which is exactly what I said, to protect you from yourself.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And again, not because I'm trying to be a tyrant.
	Or I got to have some iron control.
	I'm this manipulating control freak.
	It's like, no, I want the best for you.
	I would say the same thing for my daughter.
	I would say the same thing for my friends, my girlfriends, my girls that are on this show, girls that I know in general.
	It's like, I want to help you Not because I'm trying to get in your pants or anything.
	I don't want you to fucking have these consequences as a result of all of this.
	Because it's a natural...
	I would argue your brother, your dad, your uncle, if you're in a healthy family, grandfather.
	These are masculine figures that have zero sexual interest in you.
	So any advice they dispense is going to be 1,000% to your actual benefit.
	Not your fucking guy friend.
	Not your girlfriend's boyfriend.
	No.
	These guys actually give a fuck about you if you come from a healthy Exactly.
	And if you have...
	So, like, for instance, there's this...
	Because they're going to deal with the consequences.
	They got skin in the game.
	You've probably heard of, like, mate guarding as a mate guarding behavior, right?
	That's when a man and a woman, the guy's like, you know, wants to keep his bitch and, you know, doesn't want her to go out on him or anything like that.
	Jealousy instinct, okay?
	There's also paternal guarding.
	For instance, I'm a father.
	I don't want strange dudes coming in and fucking around or trying to put moves on my girl because I know what they're about.
	I want a barrier put between the two of them.
	It's paternal guarding.
	Yes.
	And then the same thing applies.
	And it's really kin altruism is what it is.
	But it's also in brothers as well.
	So like my brother has two children.
	He's got a boy and a girl.
	And I see them, actually them both, protect the other from like, my niece will protect my nephew from like, don't get with that bitch because she looks like she's a slut.
	And then there's How old are they dating itself?
	Yeah, they're in their 20s.
	And then my nephew, who is the brother or the sister, will do the same thing.
	He would probably go kick someone's ass if there was some impropriety going on right there.
	It should be.
	And it's also an instinct.
	It's an evolved instinct.
	Why is that?
	Because I don't want my daughter...
	To have the baby of somebody else's baby, some other tribe's baby, some other clan's baby that I don't want to be associated with for the rest of my fucking life.
	Because now we have this kid, we don't believe in abortion, and so therefore we're going to keep the kid.
	And it hurts our abilities to get with the Klan that you might want in the future.
	Right, exactly.
	And so what you're doing is, it's really that kind of guarding, you can call it patriarchal, whatever you want, but it's a parental instinct, a parental instinct for guarding.
	Well, mostly fathers and daughters, obviously, because women are the incubators of the next generation, right?
	So, if an intruder comes in from outside, an outside tribe comes in, impregnates your daughter, and then takes off, well, now you have the burden of a daughter that, back then, of course, there's a stigma on the social side that goes to it, but now that becomes a resource drain for you as well.
	So, now you have another child, and there's no...
	It goes back to his tribe.
	Because it used to be like the woman...
	Was it ejaculate and evacuate?
	Yes.
	Because it used to be the daughter stays at home with the father and the family until she gets married, which I actually agree with.
	I don't think women should live by themselves.
	I think they should be living with their parents until they find a serious boyfriend.
	At the rate we're going in this country, that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
	Yeah.
	Like, I really don't think they should be living alone.
	Like, a guy, yeah, you go out there, get beat up, whatever the fuck.
	Like, abuse is good.
	Trauma is good for men.
	Like, you need to fucking suffer.
	But as women, I think women shouldn't be suffering.
	They should never suffer at all.
	There'll be a million people who are going to watch this and they'll go, oh, that Myron and that Rollo, they're old-fashioned.
	They're these...
	They're patriarchs.
	They're control freaks.
	They're manipulative.
	And it's like, it doesn't come from a...
	A motivation or an impulse for wanting to control.
	It comes from wanting to protect, wanting the best for my family and my friends too.
	Because again, I don't want any of the girls that I know as friends of the shows or something like that, if they're going through some bullshit like that that I can help them avoid, I'm going to help them because then I don't have to hear the bullshit.
	Like, oh, I'm sorry.
	Can you fuck me again?
	I don't want to listen to that shit.
	I got shit to do, right?
	I like you, but don't make me fucking sort your shit out for you.
	Well, it would help if you just simply would just do what I fucking said in the first place, or at least take my advice to heart.
	They never do, man.
	And it's not until it's too late and their values hurt.
	That's why I just tell guys, like, man, just don't get what I was going to say.
	Even us just having this conversation is misogynistic.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	Oh, you're a massage.
	You believe in masculine supremacy, right?
	I mean, you and I are on a list, by the way.
	I don't know if you know that.
	We're on a list for...
	Which one?
	Well, it's for an NGO called Diverting Hate.
	Oh, God.
	And it is...
	By the way, if you're paying taxes, you're actually paying to be delimited and blacklisted and shadow banned and have your traffic redirected to state-approved masculinity sites right now.
	Well, there was a country, it was England or Australia, like, they're trying to make it a crime.
	Oh, they already did.
	The UK is...
	It's the UK, right?
	Her name is Yvette Cooper, and she just...
	I don't know if it's on the books just yet, but she's proposing laws to prosecute people from even outside the UK, influencers that...
	Whoever could that be?
	Someone in Romania we know.
	Oh my god.
	But for extreme misogyny, right?
	Whatever that is.
	And of course, it's very ambiguously defined.
	About two weeks ago, they put the proposal on the books that they can extradite influencers that in any way influence the civil unrest or whatever in the UK, which of course they were dealing with at that time, right?
	So they want to say, well, if you're talking shit about us and you're in the United States or you're in another country and you're an influencer...
	We have the right to extradite you and bring you into the country and prosecute you under our laws, which I don't know how they make that stick.
	Yeah, because we have First Amendment laws here, freedom of speech.
	So let me get this straight.
	We broke your stupid foreign-ass laws, but we are still within the realms of our rights here.
	A week later, Yvette Cooper, I believe she is the House Ministry.
	She's in the ministry.
	So England is doomed.
	England is a failed nation.
	And then she throws out the extreme misogyny thing, right?
	Of course.
	And of course, who's the poster boy?
	Who's sitting right next to her picture?
	Andrew Tate.
	Of course.
	And by the way, you and I are on that list as well.
	And so is Pearl.
	And so is MTR. I don't know how he got on.
	Well, for all these guys.
	Oh, the DHS thing.
	The DHS thing.
	Aaron Clary, how the fuck you got on this list?
	I don't know, but apparently he's a menace to society.
	Me, again, I don't know how Aaron made it on the list, quite honestly.
	That's crazy.
	But I'm on there.
	MTR's on there.
	Rich Cooper's on there.
	You're on there.
	Sandman is on there.
	I have no idea how...
	Honestly, I think they were just scooping up whoever the big names were at that time.
	What they're doing is they're essentially through technology and through actually just like ad buys.
	What they're doing is they're redirecting traffic.
	If I look at my subs and I look at my actual views, I think I got 328 new subs in the month of July.
	My watch time is in 4 million.
	You know, four million minutes or whatever it is.
	And then I'm looking at this and I go, there is no way those subs match up with my actual views.
	Yeah.
	And so there's only one more.
	They're unsubscribing people.
	Yeah, it's being manipulated.
	They're definitely unsubscribing people.
	Traffic's being manipulated.
	You know, and it's crazy because, you know, I love how they try to paint Because what ends up happening is they try to paint sexism as misogyny.
	I think sexism is good because sexism basically distinguishes that there's polarity between genders and we're different, right?
	It's what keeps the bathroom separate.
	So don't want to have weirdos abusing our little boys or little girls.
	It's how we protect women from weirdo guys in sports that want to compete as women.
	Nature and evolution has a sexist bias.
	Yeah, like, sexism is a good thing.
	It's just like, if I go ahead and I'm a gentleman to a woman, I pay for the bill, I treat her well, I pick her up, and I do, you know, I practice chivalry.
	That is sexism.
	But I find it interesting how they always look at sexism as, like, a negative thing.
	I would argue sexism...
	It's not sexism if it works in the girl's favor.
	It works in your favor, then you're fucked.
	When I think about it, sexism only benefits women.
	Well, yeah, in the sense that it's like a negative thing, right?
	I can't think of how sexism benefits them.
	I don't think that there's necessarily anything really called sexism, quite honestly.
	I think it's just like there are aspects of male.
	There's no such thing as toxic masculinity either, right?
	Yeah.
	There's only masculinity.
	And there is only the aspects of masculinity that are approved and complement the female imperative.
	And then there's the parts that don't.
	Anything that benefits a man exclusively, that's toxic.
	But anything like when the floodwaters rise and you need somebody to save your ass off the top of a fucking roof, then suddenly masculinity is no longer toxic anymore.
	Because it benefits the woman.
	She stays alive.
	It benefits the woman.
	Oh, my hero.
	But the thing is, when you're looking at those aspects of masculinity, the same masculinity that causes a guy or fireman to run into a burning building and save a baby is the same masculinity that those guys on Jackass have when they go and do stupid stunts.
	I see these guys on Instagram where these guys jump off these huge cliffs into the water down below.
	That takes some fun.
	I don't see women doing that.
	I only see men doing that and like, oh, well, this is why women live longer than men.
	I'm like, no, that's because they're masculine.
	You know why they can do it?
	Because they can fucking do it.
	That's why.
	And they just want to do it.
	That's the same masculinity that you need.
	That same ballsiness to go in and save a baby out of a burning building as it is to jump off a cliff into some icy water.
	You can't have one without the other, right?
	I've heard idiot chicks on TikTok, right?
	Is it crazy and stupid sometimes?
	Yes, it is.
	But at least accept the fact that that's male nature.
	You have these stupid girls on TikTok.
	TikTok literally just proves how stupid some of these girls are.
	Dude's stupid.
	The girls say ridiculous things.
	And they'll say things like, well, I just want a guy that's like...
	Pays for the bills, super masculine, goes to the gym, has a beard, but at the same time cries all the time, super in touch with his feelings, like, you know, can get dressed with me.
	Like, it's like, you stupid bitch.
	It's one or the other.
	If you want a hyper-masculine guy, he's not going to sit there and watch The Notebook with you.
	You want the perfect slave is what you want.
	Fucking stupid.
	Yeah, perfect slave.
	You want the perfect slave.
	Idiots.
	Yo, do we got some ads to read or?
	Okay.
	No ads to read?
	Yeah, go for it.
	- Go for it.
	Oh yeah, we can read some of these chats.
	- Oh, you can actually see it on the street, man.
	- Yeah.
	- Oh, okay.
	- These two right here.
	There's another one.
	- I can't see.
	Just pop it on the screen.
	Can you pop it on the screen?
	Yeah, pin it up.
	Wait, what?
	Oh, shit.
	Okay.
	Don't be mind, we got this fat nigga Mexican at the gym on the treadmill right now.
	Nice.
	Let's go.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	A cast club member came up.
	I got him a gym membership.
	Awesome.
	What else we got here?
	Oh, there he is.
	Don't be mind for hooking up.
	Noam with the year membership.
	The rest of us OGs are going to help him and hold him and each other accountable.
	Absolutely, bro.
	You guys better.
	He's fat as fuck.
	I told him you got to go to the gym.
	That's it?
	Cool, there you go.
	If you guys got questions for Olo, get them in.
	Let's see here, how many we got live?
	I can't even see.
	I can't see.
	42 between all the platforms?
	Yeah, YouTube, Rumble.
	Does Rumble give you all platforms?
	That's cool.
	Yeah, Rumble.
	Yeah, we're on Rumble Studios.
	Fuck, what am I doing?
	Yeah, you need to be on here, man.
	Need to be on here.
	So we got a clip to play, actually.
	So can you give us, like, the preface on this?
	I'll give you the buildup.
	Now, here's the thing is, this is going to be Chris Williamson here.
	Now, anybody who watches my show understands my relationship with Chris Williamson.
	Go ahead, take us through.
	It's never really been anything, but let's just say icy to begin with.
	Chris Williamson is interviewing...
	What's her name there?
	Amy something or other?
	Whitney Cummings.
	Whitney Cummings.
	I guess Whitney Cummings is...
	Who is this chick?
	She's a comedian.
	A comedian?
	Yeah.
	Female comedian.
	Female comedian.
	Everybody make the jokes.
	Come on.
	Give me the jokes.
	Women are not funny.
	Give me the jokes.
	I can't think of a good female comedian.
	Can you think of one?
	Not of this generation.
	There used to be some back in the day, but I don't think so much.
	Joan Rivers might have been funny, but she's long gone.
	I don't think the present crop of female comedians are really in any way.
	Because they always have the same kind of shtick.
	It's always like, hey, men, am I right?
	Yeah, men, am I right?
	Female comedians always just sexualize themselves in their whores, and they talk about their depressing sex life.
	And Whitney Cummings is no exception to that role because she goes into a lot of the...
	One of the things I notice about female comedians, especially when they get interviewed, they seem to be very kind of like...
	they almost have that nervous fat guy laugh you know you know like they're always trying to they're always on they're always a conversation is always a stand-up bit you know like We're having a conversation right now.
	They would be trying to throw...
	If we were to interview Matt Reif, he would be just talking to us like we are.
	He'd probably be funny as fuck, but he wouldn't be trying to make us laugh.
	Here's my theory of why female comedians suck and why women aren't funny.
	It's shocking, but I'll tell you guys why.
	Because they don't have to be.
	That's true.
	Yeah, that's funny because guys have to be humorous.
	No guy ever says, I want my girl to be funny.
	And like, dude, we'll go out with a fucking idiot on a date that literally does nothing but like, what's your hobbies?
	That's true.
	That is a female criteria, especially for a long-term relationship.
	I need a guy who has a good sense of humor.
	He makes me laugh.
	Anytime a guy says, oh yeah, she's got to be cute and funny and all that, shut the fuck up, you fucking pussy.
	Dudes are lying, right, Bills?
	Come on, man.
	Oh, I want her to be funny.
	Shut up.
	Shut the fuck up, you fucking liar.
	I don't give a shit if she's funny because I don't find women funny at all.
	And they don't have to be.
	Dude, let's call it all the way honest.
	You don't have to have a personality as a female.
	You don't!
	You fucking don't.
	The hottest girls don't have personalities.
	They don't.
	It's nice when you discover that they do, but I don't expect it.
	That's for sure.
	I would say...
	90% of really hot girls, I'm talking hot girls, hot girls, don't have a personality.
	They don't need to.
	If you're getting everything that you want in life...
	Or it's a template personality.
	It's like a cookie cutter.
	It's like...
	Yeah, this is what...
	Exactly.
	This is what...
	You expected that voice.
	You expected that voice and that attitude.
	Hilarious.
	They heard her voice only.
	I put her on screen.
	Yep, that's what I thought she would look like.
	What does that tell you?
	This is what I mean.
	Hot girls or attractive girls don't have to have personalities and be funny and interesting because they don't have to.
	If you've gotten everything that you wanted, like, oh yeah, I get laid every day by a hot girl and I got a bunch of money and shit like that, but I never had to develop myself.
	Why am I going to go to the gym or learn stand-up or learn how to be interesting?
	Like, no.
	It motivates you.
	Sex is a motivator.
	Yeah.
	Guys who don't fuck have to find some way to fuck, right?
	And so therefore, they've got to find some sort of value added.
	I genuinely believe sex is the reason why we have these nice cameras, all these buildings in the fucking background.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	They don't need to.
	There's no need to.
	Yeah, dude.
	They don't do nothing.
	They just fucking sit there and barely make a fucking sandwich in 2024.
	Useless.
	Dude.
	And the best chefs are men, too.
	They've Who made the software so that they could have OnlyFans?
	A dude.
	Why?
	Because that guy wanted to get laid.
	Yeah, man.
	It's like all the human innovation that we see was so dudes could get their fucking dicks wet.
	I'll tell you what's funny.
	This is the funniest fucking thing.
	I was on Access Vegas like two weeks ago, and I brought up this point to Mike Sartain.
	I said, any new technology, especially when it comes to media technology, The success or the failure of that technology is how it is applied to pornography.
	How it is applied to this human sexual response, right?
	So, if you go back and you look at, say, VHS and Beta, the reason why VHS won out is because more porn was shot and recorded to VHS than it was to Beta, right?
	Bill, have that timestamp because we'll have to probably clean that part up.
	You already got it?
	All right, because I've been talking a lot of shit this stream.
	We've got to clean it up.
	And if you look at, say, old school photography, like one with black and white with a big old flash thing that would come up like that, the first images they shot was naked chicks or guys getting their dicks sucked by their wife or their girlfriend, right?
	Or if you go back in time to like the...
	You know about...
	Like Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo, all the Ninja Turtles, right?
	Leonardo and all that good stuff.
	We know about those famous guys, right?
	But what you don't know about is all the other painters whose names you don't need or lost to history who were painting chicks with big hooters and, you know, it was, oh, it's the Madonna and the child.
	No, it's like a tit.
	This is what it is, okay?
	And you go back to, like, Greco-Roman statuary.
	Maybe they were gay, but they were still, like, you know, doing very realistic, you know, sculptures as far back as, like, you know, Athenian Greece, right?
	And so you go all the way back and pretty much all the way back to, like, cave drawings, like, you know, cavemen on the case.
	And somebody sent me This image of this picture.
	They just discovered this in Germany or some cave somewhere.
	And it's basically some chick that's bent over.
	And you have a face down, ass up.
	And it's like one guy fucking this chick doggy style in a cave painting.
	And I go, see?
	Justification!
	I'm right!
	Even the technology of cave painting was used for fucking early pornography.
	That's crazy, bro.
	And you're right.
	I think you're right.
	I think the reason why we have innovation, the reason why we have cameras, the reason why we have the technology base that we have, all but my men who wanted to get laid.
	Yeah, and this is why men are better than women at everything.
	It's because we have the motivation.
	We have to be.
	We're better chefs than them.
	Was it Kevin Hartman who said if a man could get laid in a cardboard box, he'd never buy a house?
	Facts!
	That's why!
	It's facts, man.
	Like, all the nice things that you see here.
	Luxury.
	Like, dudes don't give a fuck about none of that shit.
	That was so funny.
	It's to get laid, man.
	Like, yeah, man.
	Well, let me give you the setup for Chris.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He's interviewing this female comedian.
	The comedian, yeah, who's not funny.
	We've agreed.
	Not funny.
	Okay.
	But the thing is, and neither is Chris Williams.
	The thing that I'm getting right now, and I'm sure you're probably, like, we've been doing this for quite some time.
	Like, you've been doing it for about three years now.
	We're going almost in force, surprisingly.
	You've been doing it for 20 years.
	Yeah.
	Fresh and Fit's been around since, as far as I know, January of 2021, right?
	2020.
	2020.
	Yeah.
	End of 2020, that's why.
	And so I think you and I have both seen sort of the paradigm shift in the Red Pill and the Manosphere over the course of just three fucking years.
	Oh, yeah.
	And it's exactly what I was telling you guys on March of 2021 when you guys asked me, is the red pill going mainstream?
	And what was my answer?
	I hope not.
	And I didn't say it wouldn't, but I said, I hope it didn't because you're going to have a lot of people and a lot of these bad actors who are going to come in and they're going to either like I don't think we've said anything that's really over-the-top crazy or anything like that.
	And you know what?
	This is the show none of these sons of bitches will watch because they're looking for the show where you say it's gay to eat pussy.
	Yeah.
	That's what they want.
	That's the clip, right?
	That's what they want to fixate on, right?
	And so what happens is I got these guys and I'm looking at like some of these influencers.
	That's what this clip is going to be.
	Now, if I look at Chris Williamson, Chris Williamson at one point when he was at 500,000 subs, he did this like celebration, you know, Q&A, AMA on his channel.
	And everybody in that fucking damn near everybody in that stream said, you need to get Rolo on the show.
	Really?
	Right back then.
	It's about...
	Two years ago?
	Three years ago?
	Yeah, it was before he got him.
	He hit a million.
	It was a halfway to a million mark, right?
	And, of course, his answer was, well, I was thinking about it, but he seems so gleeful, and he seems like he's...
	Gleeful?
	Yeah, like, I'm happy about, like, the stuff that I'm throwing out.
	like and like I'm in some way negatively broadcasting information and it's the same information of the same guys he's had on the show.
	Like he's literally had Gad Saad on there.
	He's had I mean so many different- - The Mossad spy?
	- He's had, he's had, - Yeah.
	- He has had evolutionary psychologists that I've directly quoted.
	He is, I mean anybody.
	He will take anybody except for me and anybody except for you.
	He's yet to have you on there as well.
	But that doesn't preempt them from talking shit about us, either indirectly or directly, and say, oh, it's those red pill poets, these horrible...
	By the way, you and I are degenerates.
	I didn't know if you knew.
	We are degenerates right now.
	We are the degenerates.
	Let's see the clip.
	Watch the clip right here to get an idea of what I'm talking about.
	How many podcasts are owned by Spotify or bought by Spotify?
	I'll take a little bit so I can hear it. - All right guys, we're gonna play it so we can hear it on our end.
	I've never seen this clip before.
	So Rolo is...
	Girl talk.
	It's girl talk with fucking Cindy and Lindsay.
	And all they do is talk about their one night stands and what happened, blah, blah.
	And this is the position that I like.
	And if you tried it to do this way, I know of no, even the most D-Gen artist red pill, manosphere podcast.
	Do not get to that.
	There was a brief period where...
	There was like this odd campaign where going down on girls is gay was like a sort of movement that was being pushed by it.
	Why?
	Because it's like sub or something?
	Yeah, kind of.
	Serving the woman.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Beyond that...
	It's like sucking her dick or something?
	Yeah, kind of.
	I honestly think that was it.
	Going out on trans girls, maybe, for sure.
	I do want to say, I've never said that it was gay.
	Before you get started here, is there still a movement?
	Because that sounds like a big fucking deal.
	Did we get a Discord server for this?
	Did we get fucking...
	Let's see, do we have a module class with videos to show...
	Because it sounds like it's very important.
	There's a lot of people in this movement that are fucking doing this.
	And I don't know who they're talking about because there are other guys in Red Pill that I think have said that it's gay.
	But for me, I never said that it was gay.
	I mean, it's quite the opposite, actually.
	You and I have had this conversation before.
	I disagree.
	I think going down on a woman is just fine.
	But that's the thing is...
	They don't know that.
	They don't watch this shit.
	All they do is hear one fucking clip from someone.
	Or they hear from someone else and I assume we all think that.
	I guess we agree on a lot of things.
	My thing is why I don't eat box and why I don't think guys should do it is because it puts you in a subservient position to someone who's inferior to you, which is a female.
	You mentioned that probably like once or twice on a show or something.
	It's a movement.
	We're degenerates.
	Holy mother of God.
	We better watch out for those red pill guys.
	Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to keep my teeth clean, man.
	But no, I think the problem with it isn't necessarily that it's gay or something like that.
	No, I think the symbolism and the woman...
	Because I generally believe this is my take on this.
	Sex is a woman's duty, right?
	And a man's duty is to provide for his woman.
	So in other words, right...
	It's your job to get a job and provide for your girl.
	If she wants to get a job and provide electively and make a little bit of money for herself and keep it for herself, that's on her.
	But it is not her duty to give you money to pay the bills.
	That's on you.
	And if she wants to work, it's elective.
	Same thing.
	Then I go ahead and I take that logic and apply.
	Because when I say that to women, I'm like, yeah!
	Woo, yeah!
	If I work, it's my money.
	If you work, it's our money.
	Okay, dumb bitch.
	Well, it goes both ways.
	Because here's a functional equivalent.
	If I want sex, I bust a nut.
	Well, that's what matters.
	Last time I checked, we need to have me bust the nut to have kids, not you.
	So your job is to please me sexually.
	And if I choose to electively get you to nut, then cool.
	I don't have to, though.
	And that's how I look at sex with men versus providing.
	And when I say this, they're like...
	They can't argue with it because you can't sit there and be like, well, yeah, I want to be able to work electively or not work at all.
	So you're looking at it from like just a logistical, like a logical perspective because you're making a comparison between like making money providing in one realm and then you're taking the logic from that realm and you're putting it into the sexual realm is what you're doing.
	I'm giving a functional equivalent because like with since like because we there's no movie there's no t-shirt because i missed the t-shirt about don't eat pussy uh oh yeah what was it we have like mo no not november so we should have let's see uh you know no no cunnilingus yeah june or so yeah and here's the thing like when i say this right obviously i'm saying this like somewhat sarcastically right like like as a guy if it's your main girl like you should you know want to make her come right if it's your main girl if it's some random bimbo then that But if it's like your
	main girl...
	No kitty, April.
	Yeah, you should do it.
	But honestly speaking, and the reason why I say this too, and you're going to agree with me on this, because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, is that If you get off, a lot of times girls get off on you getting off.
	If she actually likes you, and you don't have to do all this extra shit.
	If she actually has burning genuine desires, you say all the time, she's going to get off more on you getting off because that's her validation, is being able to get you off as the guy if she truly likes you.
	Now, if you're a fucking loser and shit, and she don't like you like that, yeah, you're going to have to eat her box and do all this other disgusting shit because she don't like you that much.
	You've got to make up for lost ground, fat boy.
	When you and I... When you and I... It's true.
	It's always the fat niggas that eat box, right?
	It's always the ugly, fat motherfuckers that are the grossest.
	Because they have to be.
	They have to do the weird shit.
	Right?
	They have to.
	Let's be honest here.
	A nigga like me, I don't do these sit-ups to sit up and lick your dirty ass box.
	Fuck you, bitch!
	I'm in the gym grinding.
	I'm at work making a bunch of money.
	What the fuck do I look like getting on my knees and licking your dirty fucking vagina, you stupid bitch?
	I don't care if you're my wife.
	No!
	It's fucking disgusting.
	This is a Muslim thing.
	Nah, I just can't do it.
	I just can't do it.
	The last time I ate a box, I remember it was like May 15th of 2013.
	Fucking terrible.
	Yeah, like 11 years ago, bro.
	Oh my god.
	Never again.
	Disgusting.
	And again, as the man, you don't go to the gym, make this money, become successful to put your head in between a woman's legs.
	Fuck that.
	You're the man.
	You're the leader.
	You're the superior.
	I'm the supreme leader.
	When you and I had this conversation last time, and I told you this, I said, because we were talking about, I think we were talking about female orgasm or something.
	What's the purpose of female orgasm?
	Pointless!
	Pointless!
	Fucking pointless, bro.
	Fucking pointless.
	From an evolutionary psychology perspective, it's a mate retention process.
	Behavior is what it is.
	Yeah, to a degree.
	Also, going down on your girl or the girl giving you head is also mate retention.
	Yeah.
	Because if the girl really likes you, has genuine burning desire for you, right?
	Yeah.
	But she is, say it's shark week, right?
	She's on a rag.
	She gives you head.
	It's usually to keep you interested enough to have sex with you so that when she's not on shark week that the possibility of you inseminating her is higher.
	Yeah.
	Now, this is theoretical.
	This is what I've read from, was it Rob Henderson and Steve Stewart Williams, okay?
	So these are just like hypothetical studies, right?
	Yeah.
	So they're trying to say, okay, if a behavior exists, whether it's sexual or not, but if a behavior exists, that's the praxeology of the red pill, okay?
	Write down these types of studies, Bill.
	So, praxeologically speaking, there has to be, if a human being is engaged in a particular behavior, there's probably a function for it.
	They're not just randomly doing it, right?
	Usually, it's survival or it's reproduction.
	In this case, obviously, it's reproduction, right?
	So, what getting head is, or eating kitty is, is a mate retention process.
	And so when you say, well, fat guys eat pussy, you're probably right in that sense.
	I would say that maybe there's more of a predisposition for guys who are lower value to eat pussy because if they do and they get the girl off, then that girl has the oxytocin flush after orgasm and everything and probably says, okay, well, he eats pussy pretty good.
	What else has he got going on?
	And here's other things, too, I will say.
	Obviously, I'm being funny here and making some jokes and shit, trying to keep myself awake because I'm delirious.
	But what I will say also that's really important, what I've noticed is the nastiest guys, whether they're doing things with the butt or vagina or whatever, the nastiest dudes, They're almost always lower sexual market value.
	Almost always.
	Of course you're going to get guys in there that are chads and got their shit together or whatever that still do that weird shit, but hyper-masculine dominant men that are attractive and have options don't do that shit, bro.
	There's a difference between doing something to a girl and then doing it like you're right there in the moment doing it.
	It's guys who have something to prove.
	You know what I mean?
	There's a qualifiable difference.
	If you've got a guy who's into nasty stuff, that guy might be doing it to go, I'm going to do it to this bitch.
	Or else it's like, I'm really into this and I really like doing this.
	When I say nasty, sorry, my bad.
	I meant to say, let me be clear.
	I didn't say that.
	Explain that.
	When I meant nasty guys, they'll do something that's nasty and compromises them.
	Yes.
	Like eating vagina, eating ass, doing some weird shit like that.
	I've noticed guys that typically do that weird shit, they have low sexual market value.
	They're either ugly, weird, they smell, they don't make money.
	Something is wrong with them a lot of the times.
	And what ends up happening, not only something wrong with them, something is significantly or severely lacking.
	So their sexual skill becomes a value-added value.
	Precisely.
	because i'm not high value enough so i have to i have to cultivate these particular behaviors that are high value because i can get this girl off by eating her out i can get off i can get this girl going because she likes anal sex i can do these certain things and it's not about the good example it's not about the act itself it's about proving that that act is value added because they're low value and they want to again make retention they want to hang on to that girl in the long term just perfectly explained eloquently explained
	yes my more crass way of saying it which is why no one's going to listen to this whatsoever.
	No, they won't.
	They won't.
	I'm just saying in a craft manner and you start in a way more professional manner.
	Low SMV guys do stupid shit to keep girls around.
	Whether it's simping and buying them handbags or licking box or all the above.
	The nastiest men that I've seen, they typically have something significantly wrong.
	They're really fat.
	They're ugly.
	They're really broke.
	So they have to do weird shit like that.
	You know what I mean?
	And then the women use them.
	There's this whole epidemic where women just use guys to lick their vagina.
	That's it.
	And dudes are okay with that.
	That's fucking unacceptable.
	Yeah.
	I'll tell you, the interesting thing is I know so many porn stars right now.
	I know so many OnlyFans girls.
	I know strippers.
	I know FHM models.
	I know Maxim girls.
	It's Vegas, right?
	And I understand a lot of these girls will tell me stuff like they do financial domination or they'll do foot fetish stuff.
	And I'm like, what the fuck is foot fetish stuff?
	And it's dirt simple for girls to do and they make money hand over fist.
	I'm like, what motherfucker is paying to look at your feet with a fucking high heel shoe hanging off of it?
	Just jerking off to that.
	And so I'm looking at this and I'm going, where does this come from, first of all?
	I hate feet.
	And then it made me realize, I like fucking my wife for the last 20-something.
	I'll go down.
	I love going down.
	I like getting it.
	And I like lingerie.
	That's it.
	I'm vanilla.
	Yeah, me too.
	I'm vanilla too.
	I'm like, what the fuck?
	Do I have to like feet?
	Do I have to want to be put in a fucking dog cage?
	Do I want to be strung out on some fucking ex-crucified Conan?
	I'm like, what the fuck is this?
	And again, it's low-value guys trying to do mate retention and trying to prove that they have some sort of value added as a result of being into this weird shit.
	And it's like, oh, well, if it's some sort of like...
	Esoteric refinery or something like, oh, it's fine wine.
	I like shoes and I like watching girls walk around in little teeny tiny feet or some shit like that.
	It's weird, man.
	And these fucking weirdos, the problem with these guys is, right, they come into the sexual marketplace and they do this stupid shit.
	And what ends up happening is This is why so many women don't respect the majority of men, dude.
	Yeah.
	It really is.
	And then you look at girls that are sex workers.
	A lot of them hate men.
	Rightfully so, by the way.
	What were we saying in the beginning?
	I'd hate them too.
	What we were saying in the beginning, why do women have to get into OnlyFans?
	Why do they have to get the bag?
	Why do they have to get the education?
	Because men ain't shit.
	Yeah.
	Because men can't provide long-term security.
	And then the very men that they deal with help perpetuate that anger even further because they're dealing with weirdos.
	Right.
	Like a lot of women that are sex workers deal with like bottom of the barrel fucking guys most of the time.
	Right.
	Or they might deal with a cool high value guy once in a while, but he just has sex with her and toss her to the side.
	So she gets mad about that too.
	So, do we have a...
	Oh, we'll go back to the video.
	I was going to say...
	You don't have to go back to it.
	I just want to point out the fact that...
	Oh, that was it?
	Yeah, it was just basically what I wanted.
	I wanted to point out the fact that we've got...
	Well, just the mistake of lumping us into some sort of...
	I think there's a lot of people in the manosphere right now and in red pill spaces right now who are just simply bad actors who...
	They, like, for instance, like, I've seen...
	And it's very...
	Here's the thing, too, like, with Chris Williamson, because I met him in person.
	I hung out with him in Miami one time, and I'm really, like, disappointed that, like, you know, he's going to put everybody, like, in this box.
	It's like, dude, interview the fucking top guys in the sphere, then come to these conclusions.
	Like, don't, you know, make a blanket statements like this.
	Like, oh, yeah, you know, they're fucking talking about this.
	And by the way, he's not the only one that does this, but he's got a big platform for it.
	You talk about intersexual dynamics all the time.
	It's like, bring the top guys that talk about the shit.
	Me, you, tape bros, whatever it is.
	If you're going to have a guy like Destiny on your show and say, what do you think of the red pill?
	Oh, I think it's dead.
	Why are you talking to this guy who has no history whatsoever in the red pill?
	Why would it not be me?
	Why would it not be you?
	Even Tim Pool has had us on his show.
	Yeah.
	So the thing, and Mike Sartain told me this, he said, don't sweat these guys right now, he says, because we're just going to keep going and keep doing what we're doing until it becomes so blatantly obvious, because it becomes weird that we haven't been on the show yet.
	Yeah, I mean, I've talked to him before.
	It is weird.
	How come you haven't had him on there?
	It is weird.
	And I'm sure he probably gets requests all the time, like, why don't you talk to these guys?
	Because he does a lot of, like, intersexual dynamics.
	I see it all the time.
	Like, who should I have on next?
	And everybody goes, Rollo, Meyer, and blah, blah, blah.
	And, you know, mute.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He does that on purpose, you know.
	And, like, it is crazy because I met him in person.
	Nice guy and shit.
	But it's like, I'm like, in my head, I'm like, A lot of your content, a substantial amount, is literally intersexual dynamics, and you're not talking to the top guys in this field.
	And when they do bring us up, it's indirectly, and it's some snarky, stupid remark that's going to be the clip.
	That was the clip.
	That's why I came across it in the first place.
	This is literally our wheelhouse, dude.
	This is our wheelhouse.
	And it's cool, but look, you don't want to bring us on?
	Totally fine.
	I'm all for that.
	Because I understand that I'm controversial as fuck.
	Right?
	Bringing a guy on like me, I'm completely aware that might hurt opportunities that you have in the future with my political views, whatever.
	I accept the fact I am far right.
	Fuck it.
	I did a little political test on myself.
	I am fucking far right.
	Cool.
	And he strikes me more as a libertarian.
	And having guys on like me might hurt future opportunities, especially since I talk about certain things.
	So, fine.
	But like, Like you, I don't know why the fuck he hasn't talked to you yet.
	Like, that's fucking crazy.
	Well, I'm not going to go on his show and start talking geopolitics or anything like that.
	Well, I don't even think he talks geopolitics.
	People are going to classify me.
	I'm probably more conservative, though.
	I'm just saying, like, he should definitely...
	I eat pussy, but I would be a conservative, I suppose.
	I'll say this.
	Like, for me, I understand.
	I'm not even mad.
	Like, okay, I'm controversial.
	Fine.
	But you, dude, there's no excuse.
	Like, you're, like, clean.
	I've been doing this for 20 some odd years.
	Very empirical.
	I think it's getting to the point where it's, like, odd that I haven't been.
	Yeah, it's weird.
	Even when Tim Pool hit me up, I was like, really?
	Because he brings these other people on.
	I'm like, who the fuck are these motherfuckers?
	These random people.
	When I went on with Tim, I was like...
	Come on, Chris!
	Come on, man.
	Bring Rolo on, bro.
	I'm controversial.
	I don't go fuck, but bring Rolo on, dude.
	What the fuck?
	Crazy, dude.
	Tim will give me a good bill of health for you.
	Fucking incredible, man.
	Because you keep it empirical.
	This is your niche.
	You've been doing it for a while.
	Probably one of the best blends of the analytical data side while also simultaneously having contemporary data.
	One of the reasons he said he wouldn't bring me on, remember I told you he did his 500,000 AM? One of the reasons he said he didn't want to bring me on is because he was afraid of losing half of his audience.
	If he brought me on, the chicks would flee.
	Oh!
	Like, guys would probably love the show, but, like, women...
	Because he appeals to...
	I mean, look at the dude, man.
	He was a male model and fucking was on, what, Love Island, Australia, or some shit like that.
	That's what it is.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure that...
	That's what it is.
	At least back then, but, like, right now, what's the excuse?
	I mean, if I went on your show, you'd go...
	Dude, we do fucking access Vegas.
	You think girls are going to leave your fucking show?
	What if we said during the last two hours, three hours that we've been doing this right now that would make women run off?
	You know what I've noticed from being in this world though?
	Making this kind of content is like people are scared, bro.
	Like, people, like, just are, like, fucking scared, man.
	You can't tell people information.
	You can't give them facts.
	You can't give them data without telling them how to feel about it.
	Because if you don't, they will hate you for it.
	So if you tell them something, in fact, if you don't tell them, they will make up reasons why you are telling them.
	He'll try to pretend like, you're telling me this because you're trying to trick me.
	I can see me.
	Cool, yeah.
	Oh my god, right?
	But I don't see with you how he would lose female viewership.
	I think he might be concerned he might agree with me more than disagree with me on a lot of shows.
	I don't know, dude.
	It doesn't make sense.
	Me, I understand.
	I'm far right.
	I'm crazy.
	You know what I mean?
	Whatever.
	But like you, dude, no, it doesn't make sense.
	It doesn't make sense at all.
	All I do is bring facts to the table.
	Yeah.
	yeah i think you're probably one of the best because here's the thing i like dr bus but he's a nerd and he's not really in the sexual marketplace like cool he gives you like you know human evolution and how it is and etc it gives you like the kind of the the the mechanical functions an interesting interview yeah he gives you the mechanical functions but how is he going to be able to apply that to the sexual marketplace today not really when i watch his interviews he has zero real world application um examples to give He'll talk about mating,
	primates, all this bullshit, but he can't tell you how that applies today.
	I think what's interesting is I get hate from these guys who I'm now calling these gatekeepers of evolutionary psychology like Alex from Datesight or Mac and Murphy.
	I mean, to a lesser degree, maybe even Dr.
	Buss, right?
	And the thing that I get the most is that one of the reasons they sort of dedicate their fucking lives and their studies and everything else to sort of debunk the red pill is because they don't like the interpretations that I do of the same data that they have.
	Yes.
	So if I go and I say, here's the data.
	They probably feel like you're muddying their work.
	Here's the data.
	Of course.
	Here's the data.
	Here's the facts.
	Here's these things, right?
	There is data, and then there's interpreting the data.
	And what they don't like is the dots that I connect.
	I think it was Nick Krauser, who is an old-school PUA, and I've quoted him on a couple of my books.
	As a matter of fact, he's...
	One quote that stuck in my head is he said that the last 15 years of pickup artistry has advanced our understanding of intersexual dynamics more than the last 150 years of psychology and social studies because pickup artists don't have the same field restrictions of ethics and everything else that if they're out there doing these experiments which is run by women now the psychology board is all run by females 90 some odd percent and then by the way the teachers We're
	good to go.
	50-50, then we might be able to have a discussion.
	But when we talk about the crisis of replication in psychology, in the social sciences, even in the hard sciences right now, look no further than the implicit biases of those impacted...
	The fields of science, right?
	And I will guarantee you, if you're looking at social studies or sociology, if you're looking at psychology, most of the students and most of the teachers in those fields are female.
	That is going to create an implicit bias in those fields.
	So the thing is, even if I'm taking those data, I'm taking data from Steve Stewart-Williams, from Rolf Dengen, from Dr.
	David Buss, Robert Trivers, certainly Marty Hazelton, I mean Hector Garcia from Dr.
	Hector Garcia.
	I'm taking their data and I am just connecting dots that these guys are either unwilling or unable to do.
	Just like Nick Krauser says, the pickup artists didn't have the ethical limitations of those particular fields For the last 150 years, but in 15 years of Mystery Method and RSD and pickup artists and stuff, the data that's been collected in the field of like intersexual dynamics, guys going and getting dates, getting laid, whatever it is, It has advanced our understanding of intersexual dynamics further than 150 years of sociology and psychology up to this point.
	And you tell that to one of these guys who's in their ivory tower as an evolutionary psychology gatekeeper, they don't want to fucking hear that because you're trying to steal their thunder.
	You're trying to take away their theater of war, right?
	So when I'm collecting data and I'm making those distinctions and I'm connecting those dots, they don't want to answer the questions that those dots create when I make those connections.
	Because in some way, it's going to alienate them.
	And it's not enough For a psychologist to just be a psychologist or a pastor to be a pastor or an influencer.
	Everybody's got to be an influencer today.
	You can't just be a psychologist.
	You have to have a YouTube account.
	You have to have a book.
	You have to be making the rounds on Chris Williamson or whatever.
	You've got to be like, even if you look at like, if you look at a guy, Gad Saad, for example, Evolutionary psychologist knows his shit.
	What's he doing?
	He puts out a book, goes and makes a book tour, runs around the country and does his thing.
	He's not doing office work.
	Jordan Peterson used to be a clinical psychologist.
	He hasn't seen a patient in fucking 15 years.
	We think of him as a clinical psychologist.
	He hasn't been in practice for a long time.
	Because he can't make money doing that.
	He makes money by selling books.
	He makes money at Daily Wire.
	He makes money by going and doing clips and videos and making his appearances and doing talks and TED talks and everything else.
	That's where the money is, not in psychology.
	The doctor just gets you past the velvet rope.
	You have to have a YouTube account.
	You have to have your socials.
	You have to have everything else.
	If you're going to make any money and be in any way some sort of celebrity or some sort of personality online now, And I mentioned pastors as well.
	It used to be like, certainly Christian pastors, it used to be you just go to church on Sunday, deliver the sermon, and you go home, right?
	Now you've got to have YouTube.
	You've got to have a blog.
	You've got to live stream your worship service.
	You've got to live stream the sermon.
	You've got a YouTube channel.
	You've got outreach.
	You've got all this other stuff going on.
	You're not a pastor anymore.
	You're an influencer that happens to be a pastor.
	I just had an epiphany moment just now while I was listening to you speak.
	So why it's always great to talk to you.
	I've figured it out.
	The academics, right?
	The people that you mentioned to include Jordan Peterson, etc.
	Because we've wanted to have Jordan Peterson on for a bit, right?
	His daughter came on, etc.
	It's more likely you'll go on Chris Williams.
	Yeah, of course, of course.
	And a lot of these psychologists, etc., besides the fact that we're extremely controversial, it's hitting me now.
	And there's two reasons.
	There's two things for this.
	So...
	They do their analysis of female mating practices from a scientific academic standard, and it stops there.
	She wants a leader of men.
	She wants a man that's physically strong and capable, a man that's confident, a man that's ambitious because these are all provider values, security values, whatever.
	That's it.
	They just tell you what it is, right?
	Like you said before, they don't interpret the data for you.
	Now, I think the reason why these psychologists and these clean-cut Intersexual dynamic creators like a Chris Williamson, a Jordan Peterson, etc.
	The reason why they don't want to actually take that data and interpret it is because you're going to come to the fucking conclusion.
	A lot of these girls are fucking sluts.
	That's why.
	And they don't want to have these difficult conversations about what it takes to actually be an attractive man.
	They'll sit there and say, have dark triad traits.
	Right?
	No, you fucking bitch.
	You don't call her back.
	You have multiple women.
	You go to the fucking club and you make sure you have girls which you have social proof.
	You make these girls fucking compete for you.
	You make sure that you go to the gym.
	You keep your sexual market value high.
	You groom yourself well.
	You put yourself first every single time.
	You never let her pick where you're going to go on dates.
	You never let her tell you anything and boss you around.
	See, they don't want to hear this shit.
	They don't want to have these very difficult and sensitive conversations because...
	It's forbidden.
	These guys are over here nerding out on stats and numbers and women this and women that and they're keeping it clean.
	That's how they're able to make...
	Because women love psychology.
	That's why they dominate the psychology board.
	But they don't like how to deal with their fucked up psychology.
	And guys like me and you are out here telling guys what it is.
	That's why the self-help section of every Barnes& Noble is nothing but female authors and is entirely geared for, like, rebuild your life, girl.
	Because if you tell men what it really takes to get women, right, to really be attractive, to be arousing, it's fucked up.
	Because what it reveals is that women are far more shallow than they want to admit.
	They're okay with sharing you.
	They're okay with breaking the rules for certain guys versus making rules for other guys.
	It paints them in a very bad light.
	That's why guys like me come around or guys like you and we say what the fuck it is.
	Misogynist!
	No.
	I just understand your nature, bitch.
	And I know how you are.
	I took your data points, connected these dots, and now I'm misogynist because I connected the dots that you didn't want to because if you had done that, you would lose half of your audience.
	Somebody asked Jordan Peterson, because I went to one of his seminars before, like, Oh, like, how do I get the girl?
	Blah, blah, blah.
	And he's giving, like, pussified advice.
	Negotiate with her at the table.
	Like, stupid shit.
	Like, oh, well, you know, it's safe to say that if she rejects you, that she doesn't want to go ahead and kill you.
	You're the problem.
	You know, and you're the problem.
	And it's like...
	And the reason why they do that is because at the end of the day, these people are still fucking academics.
	And the reality is, this data that you have is fucking useless unless you can interpret it.
	So what we basically do is this.
	This is our job.
	We take that fucking jargon, right?
	And we look at it, blah, blah, blah.
	Cool.
	Take out the garbage.
	Keep the good stuff that makes sense.
	Go to the audience.
	This is what you fucking do.
	And we tell them step by step, this is what you do.
	We looked at this boring ass data for you motherfuckers and we're telling you A to Z what to do.
	Because the problem with these fucking academics is they're not going to give you real solutions to deal with, most importantly, modern women.
	And the minute you do is the minute they'll say, you're corrupting our data.
	You're misinterpreting us.
	I was like, no, I'm taking the same data points that you have.
	I'm just interpreting it in a way that you're unwilling to go to.
	Give me these fucking academics.
	Let's go to marquee right fucking now.
	Not one of them will get a fucking number.
	They have all this stuff.
	They're over here studying rats and shit.
	They know all this shit about female nature.
	Okay, motherfuckers.
	You come with us to the club.
	Let's see how many numbers you can get, etc.
	You got all this clout too.
	Like, let's see what you can do.
	And that's the difference.
	They don't have the real world fucking application on any of this shit because they know the science but they don't know the real science because now you have to actually take this stuff and apply it.
	And that's where they fail because when I went to Peterson's things and when he gives dating advice, it's generic and it doesn't fucking work.
	If anything, He interpreted his own data incorrectly for 2024.
	Well, I'll go...
	So, for instance, I'll do this.
	I'll pick up, say...
	I think it was either Rob Henderson or it might have been Rolf Dengen.
	But I'll get these studies that will say, women prefer guys with dark triad personality traits.
	Machiavellianism, narcissism, and psychopathy in varying degrees.
	So they'll say, well, this is what women find attractive.
	This is what they're aroused by.
	These guys who have these personality traits, high correlation between them and sexual access.
	So that's their data.
	That is your fucking data.
	Me going, okay.
	They love to use dark triad traits.
	That's what they love to use.
	So then I go and I say, well, you know, the guy in Tinder Swindler had some really dark triad personality traits.
	And look what happened as a result.
	These girls find him irresistible.
	And, you know, he was able to get away with all this.
	He was a swindler.
	He was a Tinder Swindler, right?
	And these women couldn't get enough of this guy.
	In fact, we couldn't even get enough of watching the damn thing, right?
	And so if I go and I say, well, the Tinder Swindler, that guy was an archetype for these dark triad personality traits.
	I make that connection That shows not that Swindler is being abusive, but the woman as being sort of manipulated by her own fucking nature, right?
	And so if I say it's women's nature to love the bad boy, it's women's nature to love the narcissist, the psychopath, and the Machiavellian guy in varying combinations, and they find that guy irresistible.
	They want to have his babies.
	They want to fuck this guy.
	Whether it's evolution or whatever, I'm not making an ethical or moral argument I'm not even giving you best practices in this.
	I'm making one observation based on your data.
	And here's an example of your data in the real world.
	No, no, no.
	You guys are fucking toxically masculine, manipulative sons of bitches.
	You're bastardizing my data.
	You're bastardizing my data.
	And I'm like, no.
	And you know why?
	Because those connections that I just made shine a pretty dark light on women's females' nature.
	Not only that, look, these guys want to be as big as possible.
	I'm not even trying to make women look bad.
	If anything else, I'm saying, this is part of your nature.
	At least accept it and use that information so that when the next Tinder swindler comes around, you go, wait a minute.
	But here's the thing, though.
	I remember what Rolo said.
	This is the thing with women, though, that I've noticed that men don't suffer from this shit.
	If I talk about the dark side of male nature and the issues with male nature, guys are going to look at me crazy.
	Like when I say guys are horned dogs and they want to fuck girls.
	Oh, yes, yes.
	You're wonderful, Meyer.
	You can go ahead and talk about the dark side of male nature all fucking day.
	No one gives a shit.
	No guy's going to check you on it.
	Yeah, you're right.
	There are fucking weirdos and losers, etc.
	But if I talk about the dark side of female nature, you're a misogynist.
	And here's the thing with these fucking pussy-ass cucked academics.
	This is all starting to connect now.
	The problem with these academics is they need to still retain their female audience.
	And a lot of these guys are fucking psychiatrists, psychologists, etc.
	And they still want to be a part of the board.
	They don't want to get fucking kicked off.
	So what do they do?
	They stop at the academics.
	They don't go into application.
	They don't talk about any of this shit.
	They just say, this is what my study finds.
	And they don't go into any of the real prescriptions of what to do because then they're going to be labeled a misogynist.
	Look, Jordan Peterson barely passed the academic part and they wanted to take him off the board.
	So the problem now is that The psychology board, psychiatrist, whatever the fuck it is, is dominated by females.
	And women have a very difficult time with hearing the dark side of their own fucking nature.
	They don't like it.
	Which is why they will steer research and experimentation away from anything, any kind of data that might imply that or in some way like back that up.
	It's the pickup artists that really have the best, like you said before, 15 years of pickup artistry has blown away the fucking psychology.
	Because here's the thing that these psychologists don't want to fucking admit.
	You fucking dickheads learn from the pickup artists that you're scared to fucking emulate.
	Or even have on your fucking show.
	Yeah, or have on your show.
	The other thing, I've always said this too, is you take a guy who's a psychologist.
	He's got his doctorate.
	Think about what that takes.
	You've got to go to eight years of school to do that.
	You've got to do your doctoral thesis.
	I don't know how much money is involved in getting that education in the first place.
	Okay, let's just say for sake of argument, you've got like student loans for that.
	That's a lot of money.
	That's a lot of investment, right?
	So you've got that.
	So you've got to go to eight.
	You've got to dedicate eight years of blue life to get that doctorate.
	You've got to go and then you've got to pay for it with your student loans.
	Then you get out.
	Then what do you got to do?
	Are you going to go and be a clinical psychologist and you got to get a practice?
	Then you're going to have to go and get your certification.
	You're going to have to go and get your insurance, your malpractice insurance.
	You're going to have to pay for a practice.
	You're going to have to go buy a place to do it.
	So you're going to have to have a secretary, all this other shit.
	You look at the capital investment for one male or female individual to become a clinical psychologist, a doctor of clinical psychology.
	And you look at all the investment that goes into that.
	You're probably looking at about 10 years and a lot of fucking money.
	And you know what then happens?
	You go onto Twitter and you see...
	John from MLD in a fucking bubble bath going, fuck all you guys, and he's got a bigger following than you, and then the last four years or five years that you've been fucking around in college, he's been making money hand over fist, talking to the same people that you would be your patients, that you would want them to, I'm going to help these guys, kind of thing.
	You get into that niche.
	Didn't matter because all you had to do was go and create your own Kajabi course or you just got to be a good, interesting, entertaining individual and you would have been able to have been more effective doing what John or me or anybody else has been doing for God knows how long.
	And meanwhile, now knowing that and coming into Instagram, coming onto Twitter, coming onto YouTube and everything, I would say that that would piss me off if I put 10 years of my life Doing the right thing.
	I think me and you're both coming to this.
	I mean, you probably knew this already, but for me, I'm kind of like thinking in my head, I'm connecting dots in my head.
	This is why the academics don't want to fucking talk to us, bro.
	They fucking resent us.
	That's why.
	Because we go where they won't go.
	Yeah.
	They can't or they won't.
	We will take their data and interpret it correctly and dispense what guys really need because they don't care about all this fucking monkey jargon shit like, you know, like, no, they just want, dude, what the fuck do I do?
	This is what you do.
	And what we're telling you is going to work because We have the real data and we're giving you advice.
	We're translating it into fucking English for the regular guy.
	And even when they'll say, well, you got it wrong.
	You got the data wrong.
	I'll tell you the thing is, but we connected dots.
	And we ask questions.
	And we ask the right questions.
	We ask questions that you, even if those are the wrong questions, we ask questions that you're unwilling to ask.
	And you won't go there.
	And because you won't go there, you will never be as effective as the people in the red pill.
	Yeah, you never will be.
	And the other thing too, academics in general is cocked.
	It's run by women now.
	Academia, especially higher education...
	They're not going there.
	They won't go there.
	They have no interest to go there.
	Like the psychology board run by women.
	Finito there too.
	So you can see why these guys are fucking scared to have conversations with us or anything because...
	And then also for the guys that have a YouTube following, a lot of these guys, women love psychology.
	A lot of these guys have like maybe 50% followers.
	Now it makes sense why he might be scared.
	A lot of these guys have like half their viewership is female.
	So...
	If you go ahead and you talk about this stuff that's unflattering of female nature, it's going to put a lot of them off and piss them off because women don't handle the truth well.
	And I think until recently, if you talked about this shit, no one was talking negatively.
	Even pickup artists, they were still like Somewhat nice about female nature.
	They will tell you like what you need to do or whatever.
	But like, no, we don't give a fuck.
	I tell girls that they're sluts.
	I say that they're dumb whores.
	Like, you know, or like you gotta like, you know, I look at men.
	I tell men all the time.
	One of the things I tell them is like, you gotta treat her like an inferior, right?
	Because so many guys are stupid and they're so used to pedestalizing women that have to almost make it stupid proof for them.
	So I have to tell them, you're the fucking prize.
	She's the subordinate.
	She's inferior.
	You're the superior.
	Even when you go over the top and you use language like that, it's necessary.
	Because if you don't, they don't hear it.
	They don't hear it.
	It's like, I've said this before.
	It's not enough to say, don't pedestalize her.
	You gotta say, you're the superior.
	That sticks.
	When you go to the casino that you're at right now, you're walking to the floor, right?
	What do you see?
	You see nothing but like...
	Video poker machines and video slot machines and everything, Wheel of Fortune, Buffalo, all this stuff is like, it's just sensory overload, right?
	That is social media right now.
	That is YouTube, right?
	And so the only thing, because I come from a marketing background because I used to work for casinos.
	I was an art director.
	Alcohol as well.
	Yeah, alcohol as well.
	But when you're on the casino floor, there is no room for subtlety.
	If you want to stand out, you have to have tits, it has to be on fire, and it has to be red.
	Preferably red flaming tits.
	That is what will get attention on a floor, on a casino floor, right?
	The same thing applies to YouTube.
	The same thing applies to Instagram, to Twitter as well.
	And sometimes you've got to say, she's just being a stupid bitch.
	Oh!
	That's red flaming tits in social media right there.
	If you say something that's over the top like that, people will remember that.
	And the reason why they will is because they've been so overloaded by sensory overload by being on social media and become so desensitized to shit.
	It takes you're a dumb bitch to get people's attention.
	Not because you're trying to be an asshole.
	You're just trying to grab attention and say, this is important enough that you need red flaming tits in front of your face.
	Otherwise, you're never going to see this in this morass of...
	And that's what kind of sucks.
	To get the attention that's required to change men's minds and deprogram them from the stupidity, you have to risk being so offensive that people won't platform you.
	Because you're not an academic now.
	We've went into a realm.
	I think you could still swing it with them.
	But like me...
	I am not an academic whatsoever.
	I'm a fucking guy that literally just tells guys what it is, what it takes to be attractive, and I've dealt with a lot of girls.
	My late count's like 500-something.
	I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
	You put me in a room with these academics with a bunch of girls there, I'm going to run circles around them because not only do I have their data points and know them, Now I know how to actually interpret it and use it in a modernized sexual marketplace where women have 100% sexual autonomy and they have more options than ever before and it's an ever-changing marketplace.
	Now you add in technology to it.
	You add in the ability for her to go ahead and change.
	These motherfuckers don't know what they're talking about.
	And you know why?
	Because they're specified.
	They're specified in one area.
	That's why.
	I've been run up the flagpole recently for evolutionary psychology and stuff like that.
	I'm like, the red pill is not just dependent on evolutionary psychology.
	There's evolutionary psychology.
	There's evolutionary biology.
	There is anthropology, sociology, endocrinology, neurology.
	There is political aspects.
	There's religion involved in all of this.
	You think of all the ways and all the fields and all the sub-fields where intersexual dynamics reaches, and we have to have some kind of working field knowledge.
	I'm not a fucking brain surgeon, but I do know that men and women's brains are architecturally different because I've read enough of other people's data to make that something that I can go, okay, that kind of locks in with the fact that women want dark triad traits or You mentioned politically.
	See, here's another thing, right, that these academics aren't going to fucking get.
	I mean, you could talk about this forever, right?
	Like, their stuff ends at the academic research show.
	Let's talk about the political.
	It's 2020.
	There's been an explosion on traditional conservative women, right?
	Me and you both know it's a fucking scam.
	Yes.
	Me and you both know that they're going to regress back to feminism if they need it, right?
	So, you know, depending on...
	It's a good pivot before the end of the election.
	Yeah, right?
	I'm seeing girls all over the place going MAGA 2024 and fucking, you know, I want to be a trad wife and all this other shit.
	And we know that, like...
	The female sexual strategy from the academics is to secure the best man that they can.
	So that's the scientific side, the academic side.
	But we know that the reason why women are doing that in 2024, now we're able to take that knowledge and apply it today.
	Why are they doing that?
	Because they understand that men that are traditionally conservative, Republicans typically tend to have more masculine traits, tend to want to be providers, Can Dr.
	Buss or any of these other fucking idiots interpret that?
	No!
	They're not going to be able to tell you, yeah, these bitches on Twitter or on social media or these women that are running around MAGA hats, etc., they're doing it as a part of a sexual fucking strategy.
	You really think they give a fuck about Trump?
	They don't even know any of his policies.
	They're doing it because they know if I align with this tribe, I can find the man that I want.
	Right?
	And I can go ahead and align myself with these guys because these guys still have the traits that I'm neurologically wanting.
	They have these provider male traits because I'm tired of dating these pussies that are on the left that are super liberal that think it's okay to split a fucking bill.
	And perfect proof of this, there was a woman from LA, like hipster bitch, short hair like this, super liberal.
	She was dressed like a fucking dude, whatever, you know, that weird hipster shit.
	She admitted, yeah, I went out with this guy who was like a dude, bro, right?
	That's more like, you know, conservative, whatever.
	And she was like, he paid for the bill.
	I was really attracted to him.
	I was like really shocked, etc.
	So on one end, and she was like surprised by it, but she was attracted to it.
	So on one end, she's told her she thinks that she's supposed to like this guy that's egalitarian, equal, whatever.
	But then she meets a guy completely fucking opposite, and she's aroused by him and actually is attracted to him.
	So That girl, right, is in a weird loop.
	And she's an idiot.
	She might still go back with the galaxy or whatever.
	The smart girls that are hot that have higher sexual market value picked up on this two years ago, right?
	And they're already like, yeah, I want a guy that's more conservative or whatever.
	That's why you see these stupid TikTok bitches.
	Literally, yeah, I want a guy that's going to be a provider and take care of me, but I still want him to be, like, liberal.
	And everyone in the chat is like, you stupid bitch, you stupid bitch, whatever.
	Rightfully fucking so.
	But do you think these academics are going to be able to properly ascertain and come to the conclusion we just came to?
	It's out of their wheelhouse.
	It's out of their wheelhouse.
	They can tell you, like, women, you know, their sexual strategies to get the best guy that they can, but that ends there.
	They can't explain to you why these bitches are all going MAGA. They can't explain to you, like, why these women are going ahead and getting with these, like, guys that don't align with them politically, but we can, and that's the difference.
	And the minute they do, they align themselves with something ideologically, and then they're put in one tribe or the other.
	That's why.
	So that's why I say they're either unable or unwilling.
	And usually they're unwilling because the moment they say this is best practices, this is what we've discerned from all of this, then suddenly now their ideological bent becomes made aware.
	So people can start looking.
	I always say that when I'm talking about certain aspects of, say, hypergamy or if I talk about ovulatory shift or I talk about dual mating strategy and things like that, I don't think it's going to be evolutionary psychology that proves evolutionary or ovulatory shift or dual mating strategy.
	It's going to be evolutionary biology.
	It's going to be hard sciences that are going to show that.
	And that's the thing.
	So when people say, well, the red pill is dependent just on evolutionary psychology.
	No.
	I would say it's even more so on evolutionary biology.
	Because if you look at the way that...
	And most importantly, what makes it so difficult and why these academics can't keep up is because...
	You have all these things going on and then you have the modernity of society.
	You have trends.
	Like right now you have certain political years that affect things, right?
	That's why all these women are like in the past two to three years as we led up to this election year, I've seen an explosion in trad thoughts, right?
	You see trends, you see all this stuff.
	So like it's very difficult for an academic to interpret all this information that's coming in rapidly by the way.
	And be able to dispense proper advice on it.
	They just can't.
	Because the research never can keep up with what's going on currently.
	And again, they're only specializing in one field of psychology.
	Or one field that would...
	And they can only do one at a time.
	And the reason why is because since they're researchers, they can't put too many variables in it because then are the results legit?
	We don't know.
	As far as research methodology and everything else, is even the data legit?
	That's a whole other conversation.
	The fact is, I think what happens is they want so badly To find some way to erase the red pill, to debunk the entire reason for their research is to debunk the red pill.
	If that's not overt, explicit bias, I don't know what the fuck is.
	So when I see stuff like that as explicitly, even if they say, well, we did this as objectively as possible, but then during their explaining the research to, say, a Chris Williamson or something like that, Well, it looks like those red pill guys were wrong.
	Or if they were right, they'd try to downplay it and caveat it in a way, right?
	But the reason why they would even do that in the first place is because there is an ideological explicit bias that's already there.
	What do they accuse us of?
	Implicit bias.
	You guys will never listen to anything that's confounding to the red pill.
	No, we do all the time, and we also compare it not just to evolutionary psychology, but evolutionary biology, sociology, anthropology, endocrinology.
	Variances in the girl.
	Every girl is different too.
	Behaviorism.
	There's so many other things that go along with that, and that's the problem.
	Some girls require more dark triad than other girls.
	Evolutionary psychology is important.
	It is a keystone element, no doubt.
	But it only goes to one point.
	And then you've got other aspects and other fields.
	That's why I keep saying the red pill is not...
	Like when people say, what's the red pill role?
	Oh, give me the elevator pitch of the red pill.
	You can't.
	It's a fucking college course is what it is.
	It's a major.
	It's not a bumper sticker.
	Look, the red pill is just this, right?
	No, that's not what it is.
	It is...
	All of those ologies, man.
	It's endocrinology.
	And again, I'm not a brain surgeon.
	I'm not an endocrinologist.
	I'm not a fucking sociologist or an anthropologist or whatever.
	But I know enough about those fields where I can pull data points from those and I can connect the dots between those data sets and say, this looks like a dynamic to me.
	What do you think?
	And just me saying, here's the data that I have and what do you think?
	That means that I'm trying to convince you of something or I'm, again, what did I say?
	You can't give people data without telling them how to feel about it.
	If I've spent my entire life as a research scientist If an evolutionary psychologist and some yahoo with no degree or certainly not in evolutionary psychology comes along and says, hey, I'm taking some of your data and I'm going to use some of your data and I'm going to correlate it with these data points that I have right here, you're going to be pretty pissed off because you probably spent the last eight to ten years becoming a doctor in evolutionary psychology.
	Here's the thing, though.
	So check this out.
	Let's say, hypothetically, we're going to go to a club, right?
	And Dr.
	Buss watched me go ahead and approach women and do certain things.
	He would probably say, okay, I see why you did that.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	Okay.
	So, like, I would exhibit behaviors and he would be able to tie it back to his data and be like, okay, that makes sense why you did that.
	Okay, that makes sense.
	Here, you talk to this girl.
	Then you went ahead and talked to this girl.
	Then you brought that girl back to that group.
	Oh, wow, you're demonstrating social work.
	He'd be able to, like, see, okay, I see what you're doing.
	But would Dr.
	Buss go ahead and be able to do that shit himself?
	Probably not.
	He wouldn't.
	There's a difference between research studies where you're putting out questionnaires for people to say, do you strongly agree, agree, somewhat agree, neutral, or disagree, blah, blah, blah.
	Theory and application are two different things.
	That's one thing to go out there.
	I'm not saying that qualitative data is completely useless.
	It's not.
	But the thing is, there's a difference between filling out questionnaires and And going out into the field and observing the gorillas in the mist, right?
	Like being Jane Goodall or Diane Fossey at, like, I can go to Babes in Toyland and I can, I'm sober, so I'm watching the humans in their natural habitat.
	Is that, is that, is, is, is Diane Fossey and Jane Goodall's, is their research that they did over the course of decades at observational field work, is that less quantitative?
	Quality of less value than a questionnaire you do on Twitter.
	I think it's more valuable because you're there watching it happen live in real time all day long.
	So you're looking at field research versus experimentive research which is, you know, fill out this questionnaire and do you agree or strongly disagree.
	Nothing like these academics and these researchers, right?
	It's completely different to do research and be like, with control variables and shit.
	Go into a fucking nightclub at night.
	Go into the field.
	And then loud music.
	Fat friends trying to cock block you.
	Situational awareness.
	Phones, them using their phones, making the right timing, figuring out, you know, social, figuring out, like, looking at her body language.
	Is she here with other guys?
	Is she in a relationship?
	Okay, I'm looking at a group of people.
	There's three girls, two guys.
	Okay, that girl's single.
	That girl isn't.
	Like, the academics can only go so far versus, like, a guy that's in the field.
	Dude, a pickup artist...
	It's going to have way more application skill sets than an academic.
	And the beauty is this.
	If the academic were to watch the pickup artists doing what they're doing, the academic would immediately be able to say, oh, okay, this makes sense why he's doing that, etc.
	But if we flip the roles...
	The academic would not be able to do what the pickup artist is doing because they're stiff in their academics.
	They have no field experience.
	They don't know exactly.
	They wouldn't be able to tell you what best practice or even suggest best practice.
	There's a difference between theory and practice, right?
	So that's one of the reasons why I shy away from being too specific about prescriptions.
	I know you give prescriptions all the time.
	A lot of people think I give prescriptions, and if I do, it's never directly.
	It's like maybe it's a suggestion.
	Here's a suggestion, yeah.
	Yeah, a suggestion.
	Or I look at it this way.
	It's equipping people.
	It's educating people, and you take that education, and then you can use it and apply it to your specific situation.
	And guys, get your questions here because we're going to wrap up here soon.
	Yeah, we got to go because these guys got to get out of here.
	Oh, shit.
	We do?
	Okay.
	I'll read these chats real quick.
	Did you finish your thought on that, though?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I'll read these chats and then we'll close out.
	Shit.
	Shout out to y'all for the effort you and Bills put in the show.
	Win Myron, win Rollo, win Bills.
	Oh, and don't forget, win Kyle.
	That's you, Kyle.
	Producer Kyle.
	What does that next one say?
	Oh, I can see it on the screen.
	Okay.
	Hey, Myron, I just got a rear-ended pause by a female.
	She went into this story on why she hit me in the freeway to keep it short.
	She said she was hungry and she felt she was going to die of hunger.
	I'm sick of this.
	Females, I can't drive.
	So I just recently ordered a I feel like shirt from FNM. Keep up the great work.
	Myron's much.
	Damn, bro.
	You put a picture there, too?
	Yeah.
	Damn, bro.
	Yo, is that a new feature that you could put the chats like that up from Castle Club?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's like brand new, right?
	That's fucking lit.
	That's Rumble Studio, bro.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I saw this.
	I saw that on Twitter.
	I'm throwing that fucking water.
	I saw that shit on Twitter.
	Yo, brother, the average is 187 pounds, man.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Shanique was...
	Roberto says, glad you're talking to Rolo about the red pill.
	Kind of seems like F&F has moved away from the red pill.
	No, man, we still do on Wednesdays.
	And obviously the nighttime shows.
	When he comes to Vegas, that's what we're talking about.
	You know, so you guys, hey, you guys got a good one here.
	So what else?
	Oh, man.
	Them boys.
	Hang on, I'm going to make it twice soon.
	Let me know if you're interested.
	I'm only doing 109.
	Yeah, okay, you fucking dickhead.
	I might have something big for you guys on Sunday.
	We'll see what happens.
	Anything else?
	Oh, we need a Myron and Angie space on Twitter.
	Well, I'm banned.
	I can't talk on spaces right now.
	It's fucking FBAs.
	Free the Tates, Dog Catcher, okay.
	And then we got Ian says, went to Barnes and Nobles to get the Rational Male Self-Transformation Section dedicated to witchcraft and drugs.
	W, Rolo, Myron, Rolo, Pod, and Moe in the back, working hard.
	Moe in here.
	It's Bills.
	Bills today.
	Bills pays the bills.
	Thank you.
	And then we got Off Top of Raj...
	I afford transit.
	Want to know that you have said in the past not to be...
	Bro, what the fuck is this?
	Do you know how to write?
	Come back after you're done with your ESL classes.
	My reason to do it is to build my credit and I'll use it for my carpentry concrete company when I started things.
	I can afford it.
	I think he said his transit van.
	Yo, if you're going to do it by a transit van, make sure it's 6,000 pounds or above.
	Transit van down by the river?
	For your business.
	I don't know what you're saying, but I'm assuming you're asking about buying a transit van.
	Make sure it's over 6,000 pounds so you can write it off and you have your LLC set up.
	Anything else?
	Cool.
	Roll it.
	Where can people find you?
	Oh, of course.
	You can find me on Amazon.com, not Barnes& Noble.
	Yeah.
	You mean to?
	You ain't going to find our books on fucking Barnes& Noble.
	My books are on Amazon.com.
	You can find all of them there.
	Just type in the rational mail.
	You can also find me on Twitter, obviously.
	I've been doing spaces, but I kind of left it alone this week after...
	Space is huge, man.
	I got banned.
	We're going to be back.
	Mike Sartain's been in Los Angeles.
	We're going to be going to the Marquee Hotel for Swimsuit USA tomorrow.
	You and I. That's a bikini contest.
	I should say that it's a bikini pageant.
	The difference between a contest and a pageant is a lot of money.
	What time does it end?
	Probably like four.
	Okay.
	Yeah, one to four, one to five.
	I'm going to sleep and see what time I can wake up.
	Five, maybe.
	But anyways, so I'll be doing that tomorrow.
	Because I didn't sleep at all.
	Access Vegas.
	If anything, we'll go to the gym.
	Can you do gym at night?
	I can do whenever you want.
	Okay.
	Access Vegas will be returned on the 29th, which is next Thursday or week from today.
	So we got that coming back.
	And then what else we got going on?
	When's the next time you're in Miami?
	I don't know yet.
	I've been invited for a couple of things.
	Dude, what are you doing?
	Also, Valuetainment.
	I might be going out to Valuetainment.
	Do it.
	I'm a pretty big deal on Manect right now.
	I don't know what Manect is.
	I'm actually in third place on their Manect tournament right now.
	So if I can hold it till the end of the month, then I might make a trip out there.
	We'll see.
	All right.
	So, but yeah, I did not know I was even in third place in the tournament.
	But, so Minect is really great too.
	So if you want to ask me questions like on the fly or whatever, you can just look me up on Minect, M-I-N-N-E-C-T.com.
	Nice, nice.
	And then you'll just look in for Rolo Tomasi and I'm right there.
	I'm actually pretty...
	I'm in the middleweight division, so I shouldn't be too hard to find.
	But that's coming up.
	And then, again, you can find me on Instagram, rational underscore mail.
	And then, of course, I'm on Twitter as well, which is Rolo Tomasi at Rational Mail.
	Nice.
	Yeah, so guys, tomorrow I'm going to probably do, I'm going to have an interview with Dan Bilzerian, probably going to live stream it.
	And we did Hot Swins earlier.
	This is my third stream of the day, bro.
	I've been filming for like eight hours, doing podcasts, running around.
	I'm dead, no sleep.
	Guys, go check out Rolo.
	Go support his work.
	We'll get the book, The Rational Mail.
	I don't know if you don't have it.
	What the fuck is wrong with you?
	Yeah, by the way, it's on Amazon.
	It's on, you can get the print, you can get the Kindle, and it's on Audible as well.
	All five of them are.
	Go get it, guys.
	And then you got to come to Miami, man.
	Yeah.
	You need to come.
	And then what else?
	I'm trying to think.
	There was something else I was going to say, but I usually make two trips to Miami a year.
	Once in May and once in November.
	I've been out here to Vegas a bunch of times now.
	I come here a lot.
	This is like my second city, man.
	I hate traveling, but a lot of people are here in Vegas.
	Vegas is the West Coast hub for what we do.
	It is.
	Everyone's getting the fuck out of LA. I'm glad me and Miguel came here when we did.
	We got in early.
	LA is fucking terrible.
	It's still relatively cheap, man.
	When you guys tell me the rent price, it sounds like shocks.
	Anyway, guys, here's Rolo Tomasi.
	Go check him out.
	Go get the Rational Mail.
	Go subscribe to his YouTube channel.
	Check him out on Twitter.
	I am going to be probably tweeting some shit.
	Unplugged Fidex.
	Check me out over there.
	We're going to do...
	Dan Bilzerian tomorrow, hopefully.
	Like I said, we're going to coordinate a time.
	His schedule's crazy, so no promises.
	But I think we're 80-90% there with Dan.
	And love you guys.
	We'll catch you guys in the next episode of Fresh to Fit.
	Hopefully tomorrow we're grinding over here.

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