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Aug. 22, 2024 - Fresh & Fit
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Hodge Twins Meet Fresh&Fit!
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Thank you.
Welcome to the Freshman Podcast, man.
You guys can see the background.
It seems familiar, but I got two legends with me here.
The Hodge twins.
I wish I had a Don DeMarco bun, but this is in my studio.
And I'm here with Jake Shields as well.
Jake, thank you for coming as well.
I need a token white guy, so I'm here for that.
Absolutely.
Affirmative action.
The other way around, though.
Exactly.
Y'all don't count.
You guys are half-breed.
And then you got to bring in an air up for good measure.
But yeah, dude, I'm happy to be here.
Thank you guys so much for letting us use your studio.
We just came from IRL, going to the gym and stuff, which I guess that's the first topic.
Y'all went to Dragon's Lair, right?
Yeah, we're at Dragon's Lair, yeah.
It's a nice gym.
It's a good gym.
Yeah, it sucks though, because the hot girls started coming as we were leaving.
I was like, damn it!
There's girls bigger and big as these guys are sometimes.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I've seen girls pressing with 120 flies.
Oh, yeah, dude.
I was like, what the hell?
Yeah, I can't do that.
Yeah, the crazy, you know, the ones with the jaws, if you know what I'm saying, weren't there earlier.
But then the real girls started coming.
I was like, oh, shit.
Yeah.
Don't let those fake girls here.
Whoop your ass.
But, yo, I know who you guys are.
Obviously, I'm going to get into that a little bit.
But can you guys introduce yourself to the audience real quick for those that might not be aware or have lived under a rock for the past 10 years?
Oh, okay.
Well, uh...
Keith Hogg.
Yeah, Kevin.
With a Hog switch.
But on YouTube for like, damn, 16 years.
That's crazy.
A lot of people came and went on YouTube.
Yeah.
So we started off in, uh...
Really what got us going on YouTube was the fitness.
We had another channel called Horse Twins, but we were still not quite being ourselves.
I think when we started the fitness channel, we were trying to be all correct.
I was so worried about what people thought about me.
I wasn't being myself.
One day, we just said, fuck it.
Yeah.
We just said, I'm going to be our goofy sales the way we are when the camera's not on us.
And people fucking love that shit.
Yeah.
And that actually fed all our other channels and all the successful fans.
Just being genuine and being us.
People pick up on that, man.
If you're not genuine, you will not follow.
Oh, yeah.
And I got to ask this.
How do you, for the people out there, like, how do you guys, how do people distinguish you?
What is, like, some...
Well, Keith, he looks like a serial killer, so...
He just, like, the mean one.
Yeah.
Like I was at movies in high school, right?
The girls would say, hey, can you hook me up with your brother?
I was like, bitch, what's wrong with me?
I would just like him.
Right?
Everybody wanted Keefe.
And women are attracted to like mean dudes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Keefe had just looked to him like, I'm going to tear you up.
Well, they love Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez.
Yeah, they go to their trials and stuff.
Jeffrey Dahmer.
Why y'all talking about me like that?
He just got a mean decorum about him on video.
You're the next friendly one.
For real, though, how do y'all distinguish each other?
Like, what do you guys tell?
Because, let's be honest, like, when you go to school, you probably got confused all the time.
So, y'all figured out something that you can tell, because I grew up with, like, some of my best friends in childhood were twins.
Right.
And they always had, like, this go-to line, like, yo, I have this.
That's how you distinguish me from my brother.
What would you guys say?
I'm a little bit taller.
Really?
It's like a half inch.
Okay.
So, that's...
Give them something they can use.
I already said, you know what I can say?
Yeah, we're trying to tell you part.
Yeah.
He looks mean.
I have a more happy look to me.
I think my face is...
He looks crazy.
No, I'm seeing it.
I'm seeing it now.
Yeah.
You can see it, right?
I'm fucking like he's going to stab you.
No, I got like a thicker...
Don't I have like a thicker neck?
Yeah, he has a thicker neck.
My face is like fatter and his is more slender.
Yeah.
But if I saw you separate, that's not enough.
You guys look a lot.
I gotta look really hard though.
You guys look a lot.
His neck is thicker than mine.
Yeah.
But my balls are bigger.
My head on my cock is thicker too.
You guys ever share girls?
You know, I would say that that's strange, but you guys probably have seen these things, so I can't even dispute it.
Hey man, we've been like really close.
We used to jerk off together.
We took showers together.
What are you talking about?
Y'all did the Joe Bida special?
I know if I walked in, we'd take a shower and both our dicks was hard.
My mom thought we was whole sex.
Was he stroking it?
Yeah, we was stroking it.
But we was like, I'll repeat you in the name of Jesus.
But if I was saying, I'll repeat you in the name of Jesus.
Who is kids?
Like 10, 11?
Yeah.
Y'all did the Bida special?
Y'all did the Bida special?
Yeah.
You do stupid stuff with you.
Oh, man.
But growing up, we actually...
I had friends...
Where'd y'all grow up?
Tell us about your childhood, besides that.
Oh, my childhood.
That was a great intro, by the way.
Well, we grew up in Martinsville, Virginia, and we were kind of like loners.
Yeah, we just...
All we needed was us.
All the white kids called us the N-word and all the black kids couldn't stand us because I was pretty.
They thought I was going to take their 50s.
For a very long time, there was a lot of hate on any dudes that were light-skinned.
And then the fact that, pause, y'all got colored eyes, they're going to hate, man.
Oh, dude, they hate on us.
Milli Vanilli was hot when we was growing up.
And that's what they called us, Milli Vanilli.
Did you get more racism from the white side or black side?
I think when it comes down to all the hate I've got in my life, even though we grew up in a racist area, all the hate I got was from black folks.
Same here, bro.
I lived in a white, racist neighborhood.
And my dad, we lived on a white side of town.
It was a black side of town.
My dad said, hey, you can live with them niggas.
I'm going away with the clan.
At least they're going to show me some kind of respect.
Yeah, they're actually like, I mean, I don't know about now, but like Virginia has a lot of clan chapters in the past, at least.
That's true.
For the majority of my life, all the hate I've gotten from black hasn't been white.
Never from whites, right?
Yeah, we've been called the N-word.
Yeah, but we deserved it when they come.
Like, who is driving?
Chief almost killed his white woman.
Oh, shit.
What's where you going, you fucking nigger?
I was like, what are you doing?
Oh, shit.
I forgot.
Oh, Ant's live.
Ant's live.
He didn't use it in negative connotations.
He's black.
That's what happened.
I gave him a pass.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'm sorry, man.
I forgot where he's live.
That's what she called me.
They're too used to pre-recording.
Oh, we can edit that out later.
Yeah, do it right after the Yeah, that's what she called yes been the rock you can be okay.
I just have it right then, but I actually did It was um, she's in my Can't even get mad as a damn I did almost kill you what year was this man?
Man, we was in California.
Yeah.
I think it was about what?
Maybe.
We was on YouTube.
Yeah, we was on YouTube about eight years ago.
Damn!
You were like real adults at that point.
Are you still killing bitches or trying to?
I'm over here thinking you're a teenager or something.
Trying to kill white women.
Oh, man.
So you guys stuck to yourselves.
What was school like being twins?
You would have had a lot of fun, but we're so shy with women.
Yeah, I was like weird shy.
I remember one day...
Y'all went to high school what decade?
I graduated in 92.
Well, he graduated in 92.
Late 80s.
I had to go to 93.
You got left back?
He got left for a year.
So he's a smarter and meaner one.
I feel like an old man in high school had a bitch.
Yo, I know they were cooking you though.
Like, hey, where's the smart brother and the dumb brother?
Is that what they said?
They didn't know all the people, they didn't know I had a twin.
Damn.
Okay, so you guys were in high school in the late 80s and the 90s.
Yo, take me back, because, like, you know, I was born in 90, so, like, I didn't get to experience the 90s.
Yeah, I know.
You niggas old, man.
We didn't have no cell phones.
Nope.
Nothing.
I remember going to school.
My sister put in a cassette.
We're listening to Jodeci.
I'm close to you guys, AJ. But the 90s were great.
Soul Train just came out.
Soul Train was big.
Damn.
Soul Train was still big.
And all the black guys wanted to get with a white girl.
It was good times.
Dallas was a hit show.
That wasn't that damn old.
No, they killed JR growing up.
Well, we was in middle school when they killed JR. I'm just saying.
They don't know what the hell you're talking about.
They're about to be 50, by the way, this year, guys, right?
This year?
They don't know nothing about kit and all that shit we grew up in.
I grew up looking at night riders.
Oh, wow.
You guys are older than me.
David Hasselhoff?
David Hasselhoff.
Let's go.
Yeah.
Damn.
Yeah, we're pretty old, man.
Well, are you guys Knight Riders yourselves?
You guys like the black ladies?
I like all women, but I just can't...
I'm attracted to all women.
Yeah.
Don't lie, bro.
Come on, man.
No, I am.
But black women, they come with an attitude that's like a turnoff for me.
Not all of them, but it's a whole lot of them.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I find black women very attractive.
It's just that attitude they got.
Yeah, yeah.
And it sucks because it's not the majority.
It's just that they're the loud...
No, I think they're the majority.
You think they're the majority?
There's a lot of them.
There's a lot of them, man.
There's a lot.
It's almost like...
I say 50-50.
It's almost like it's their DNA. 50-50, 40-60?
What do y'all think?
I gave up.
I got with that first black one.
I was married.
I was like, you know what?
No, I ain't doing this again.
That bitch used to beat his ass every day.
Wait.
Okay, so I know you guys are married now.
We'll talk about that.
Look at that story, Keith.
Keith had better male syndrome.
He didn't have better wife.
He didn't have better husband.
What's that story you told me?
Y'all went to the DMV? Look, okay, let me tell you this story.
She used to hit me a lot when I was like 19.
Okay.
And he was in the Marine Corps.
I was in the Marine Corps and I was back...
How long did y'all serve in the Marine Corps real quick?
Just four years.
94, 98.
But at the time, like, she used to hit me a lot, right?
We was in the DMV. And it was this cute girl helping us.
I don't know if I was smiling or something.
What was her skin color?
She was light-skinned.
Green eyes.
My nuts was getting tight.
Just look at her, right?
And I remember...
What the fuck is wrong with y'all niggas, man?
My nuts got tight.
My wife did like this, right?
That's it.
It was a reflex.
It was like a reflex.
And she gave me a look like, no, you ain't my type.
I walked out and said, damn, man.
That shit was the most embarrassing shit in my life.
I never went to that DMV ever again.
You drove an hour to the next one?
Yeah, I wouldn't be able to go back.
Did she beat you when you got home?
Did she beat you when you got home?
She was slapping me in the car and shit.
And for whatever reason, I wouldn't hit her back.
That was good.
Was it before or after OJ? No, this is during.
No, this is right after OJ. Yeah.
You got away with it?
Yeah, well, come on, man.
You got away with it.
That happened when I was in boot camp, so it was after OJ. Yeah, my first wife was black, too.
Didn't work out.
Why not?
And I promised myself I'd never do that again.
So I started dating white women.
And I attributed to her skin color.
It was like a cultural thing I did not like about black women.
How long were you guys married at this point?
Before y'all divorced?
Uh...
What was the question again?
We just activated trauma.
Just like this over and over.
We activated the trauma.
What I was saying is how long were you married to her total?
About three or four years.
Three or four years?
Yeah.
What about your first wife?
Mine went on long.
She didn't want to sign the divorce papers.
We wanted more child support.
I remember Keith.
I used to come out and say, man, Keith, you can wake up and you have a steak knife.
Because every day she was beating his ass.
I was going to work with Strackers.
I worked in a mess on the Marine Corps.
I went to see my friend.
He worked in the bakery.
I worked in the stockroom.
I would go to my bakery.
His name was Dorian.
We called him Sappho.
Everybody was by that last name.
He said, yeah, what's up, Harge?
I can see your big steel beating your ass.
And then the turns come over.
Hey, what's up, boy?
Look at Link Keep's face.
He's got scratches and shit.
He's like, man, when you go hit that bitch?
I can't hit no woman.
When that bitch hit you?
When the fuck you hit that bitch back?
Do you ever call the police on her?
Funny story.
Let's go through it.
I'm asking the right questions.
Please.
The cops was always at our house.
He was Nicole Brown, too.
Right?
And I remember this black cop said, look, you're in the Marine Corps.
If she calls us one day and says you hit her, you're going to jail.
He told me that.
Virginia's mandatory arrest date, right?
No, this was San Diego, California.
Oh, San Diego.
And he told me that.
But the cops was always coming to our arrest because they could hear her screaming.
They're fighting and throwing shit at me.
So other people will call 911, not you guys.
So one day, I don't know how it started, we got into an argument.
She said, fuck it, I'm calling the cops.
You're going to jail, nigga.
Right?
After beating your ass.
That's why we don't date black women.
So she starts screaming, help, help!
Somebody call the cops!
I'm calling the cops!
I'm calling the cops!
So the cops come.
And she told the cops, I punched her, and I've been beating on her.
So the cop came and said, I told you, man.
I fucking told you to move out.
This is like I knew you?
The same time.
She said, I told you.
Look, I told you.
You should have got out of here.
You ain't trying to hear me.
I said, look.
Yo.
Go look at her.
She ain't got a scratcher.
I said, look at me.
Look at my arms.
I had all these defenses.
I said, man, I'm just holding up, trying to keep off.
Right?
I said, look at my face.
He's all right.
Let me go ahead and keep this investigation going.
So they go outside and they're talking to her.
And then they talk to her and then he's got a white cop with him.
And then they're talking.
I'm just sitting in the window.
So he's a black dude, this guy?
Yes, a black dude.
So I'm just sitting in the window looking down at home.
The police lights on and it's like everything's flashing in the neighborhood.
People's outside.
What the fuck's going on?
And I'm just sitting up in the window looking crazy.
And then the black cop, he looked at me.
He's like, Yes!
So they go up there and say, get your hands off me!
Get your hands off me!
They put her in the car and take her to jail.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
You got lucky.
I got lucky.
But yeah, whenever I've had girls hit me, I've just stopped talking to them.
Because I know me being a fighter, I'm going to get blamed.
My ass is going to jail.
It's over.
Me, I'm leaving her.
Yeah, it's over.
Yeah.
Because, you know, they'll hit you and then I'm the one that's going to get blamed.
Yeah, but I was 19.
I was naive.
I didn't know what to do.
Yeah.
And you were what, 19 you said?
20 years old at this point?
19 years old when this was going on.
Damn.
And then were you in San Diego as well at the same time?
Were y'all together?
I was in Tucson, California.
About two and a half hours away.
You guys were separate, huh?
I was on an old airway.
MCS, Tucson, California.
Was that tough separating when you guys had been so, so close?
Yeah, it was tough.
So every weekend I would go up and check on him, see if he was still alive.
If I didn't kill him, don't kill him.
Every weekend I would go up and say, man, you look like you've been fighting a damn mountain lion.
I said, man, when you leave...
So you just always have scratches on you, pretty much.
Yeah, man, yeah.
Right here.
Always right here because she's trying to scratch out his green eyes.
She probably was like, man, these bitches keep looking at you.
This is over.
Looking back, she was crazy.
You think?
She was probably thinking ahead.
If I could just take these green eyes out of your head, maybe women will stop looking at you.
What were the majority of fights?
Did she think you were cheating?
What would the arguments typically be about?
Man, she's just a crazy bitch.
We was just arguing about stupid stuff.
Shit.
And then with your wife, obviously it looked like she didn't want to sign the divorce paperwork.
She never hit me, but his wife and my wife at the time, they're real good friends.
That's how we met them.
We met them together.
Yeah, we should have never turned around that day.
Take us through that.
Yeah, we just drove down to San Diego, right?
I had a brand new Geo tractor.
No, I didn't have that.
You had that Camaro.
She ever had a green Camaro.
Okay.
That bitch is clean.
So this is what, like 1990, 1991?
Like 92.
That was like 94.
Yeah, whatever.
We in San Diego looking for some bitches.
Right?
Fair enough.
Women.
And Kevin said, look, look at them two black bitches over there.
You remember that shit?
Turn around.
So it's your fault.
I turned around and said, man, these look like some prostitutes.
Out here walking.
But we started talking to them.
And I was like, and they got in the car.
Ended up marrying them.
Did y'all smash them that night?
No.
No.
No?
You guys are gentlemen.
My girl, I was crying.
My ex-wife was a virgin.
Really?
She was a virgin.
Damn.
What do you think led to her?
Was she crazy?
She didn't hit you, so why'd y'all end it?
I think we just got married too young.
I got pregnant.
First night I ever had sex with her.
When I took her vagina, she was pregnant.
You probably hadn't had a chance.
This dude was like, oh!
Oh, yeah!
Oh!
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
Yeah, a lot of us.
Wait a minute, I ain't done.
Got one more pump.
At least you're both versions.
Oh, let it marinate.
Let it marinate.
What is wrong with you?
Let me go and pull out.
Ah!
That's what you did.
What the hell were you thinking?
I don't know what I was thinking.
I was young.
When I was looking at Keith's relationship, because he got married before I did.
I was just dating a girl.
Back then, when you get married in the military, you get extra money.
It's very common for guys to get me.
For the girl to get benefits and stuff like that.
She can live on base and all this other stuff.
A lot of people did that.
You know what?
My wife never hit me, but one time, because she's real good friends with his wife, and she says, hey man, your brother needs to stop it.
She'll stop hitting me if he defends himself.
But I said, man, but we don't believe in hitting women.
So one day me and my wife got an argument, and I just bought my little, my daughter a toy.
It was like a dog.
It was like a lawnmower.
You would pull it or push it.
It would go, woof!
It's a lawnmower, right?
And my little girl was playing with it.
I remember we got in a fight.
She took the top of it off.
It was like plastic.
Yeah.
And I said something.
I think I called her a bitch or something.
And I was walking away.
She took that thing off and hit me in the back.
I felt like a slave.
It was so bad.
I was like froze like this in about five minutes.
I couldn't move.
Did you just say Kunta after?
I wanted to.
I was going to say 10 days.
Right?
And I picked up, I said, if you ever hit me again, I'll shit the shit out of it.
I won't hit it again.
I'll shake the shit out of one.
Oh, man.
We just spent about 20 minutes talking about domestic violence and laughing about it.
That's hilarious.
Did you imagine if it was all the way around?
It's funny if it's not us.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It wasn't the woman.
I feel crazy hearing that, man.
We got to...
You guys got some PTSD and they didn't come in the military.
That's a cultural difference between black, white, and Latino.
The women I've dated in my life, the only woman that just put them up, let's do this shit, has been a black woman.
White woman's ever dated?
Latino is just totally different.
The Asian woman might do a weird grand stance.
I've been hit by an Asian woman before.
You have?
Oh shit.
They stupid.
But I probably deserved it.
So you guys are married now, right?
How long have y'all been with your current wives?
I've been married for 24 years.
Damn!
Wait a minute.
No, it's 24 years.
What about you?
24, 25 something.
Both of y'all wives are Asian, right?
Latino.
People think my wife is Asian, but she's Latino.
My wife's from Mexico City.
Mine's from Jalisco.
Okay, so both Mexican.
Mexicans are crazy too, but I haven't dated blacks, so black girls must be a lot more crazy.
If you don't think Mexican girls are crazy, blacks must be really bad.
You know what I find about other races of women?
Like when you argue with a black woman, they don't have sex.
Oh, damn.
Well, this is the anecdote.
This is the truth.
All my black friends told me this shit.
Every time they hold that shit over you like a cookie.
Yeah.
Like when I get white girlfriends, Latino girlfriends, when you fight, you have the best sex you've ever had.
They want to have sex when they're fighting.
It's weird.
Yeah.
But a black woman, they want to have sex with.
Yeah.
I know dudes who's been in relationships with black women.
They're not having...
They're going through a rough patch.
They have...
He's sleeping downstairs.
He's not even having sex.
And I've noticed that about...
That's what turned me off about a black woman, too.
They'll fight with you and then not even give you a blowjob after.
Fist fight and everything.
So, take me through the Marine Corps.
What was that like for you guys?
It fucking sucked.
Well, we tried to, like, all our friends we grew up with, Y'all went to Ellis Island, right?
We come from a small place, right?
So all our friends, like our black friends, they were going to jail.
And I was like, man, I gotta get the hell out of here.
I gotta do something productive with my life.
And I have an older brother who's in the Army.
So I said, let's go.
He actually retired Army.
Does he look like y'all at all?
Yeah, he looks just like us.
All of us look like our dad.
And we decided to go into the Marine Corps.
It was a great experience.
But it wasn't for me because growing up we didn't have a father.
You guys were there in the early 90s.
They couldn't touch you though.
What do you mean they couldn't hit you?
They couldn't hit you, yeah.
They used to be able to.
I've seen them do it.
Now they can't even yell at them, I don't think.
Yeah, yeah, it's getting there.
They can't call them like the, like, oh, I can't say these things on YouTube, but they can't, like, any of these slurs, they can't yell at them.
And you can say, hey, you're going a little too hard.
Like, if they try to PT you too much, you can, like, say, and then they stop.
I have a military.
At least in the Air Force.
Or Navy, sorry.
That's crazy.
If you would mess up, they would put a deck you.
Oh, wow.
Did NCIS take that or did they even bother?
I saw generals there and it was a big investigation.
Shit.
Did y'all ever get in trouble with NCIS while y'all were in or anything like that?
Not that much trouble.
I got page 11s and stuff like that.
Stupid shit.
Okay.
Page 11 is like a write-up, right?
Yeah.
It's like a write-up from your media superior.
So you guys were there in the early 90s.
When did Saddam invade Kuwait?
uh y'all didn't deal with desert storm right no no okay yeah there was conflict we was on uh alert but we never deployed there okay yeah because that was always the grunts and yeah yeah we was like more support i worked in missile Yeah.
That was your MOS? You were a chef?
I wasn't a chef.
I was in the warehouse.
I would get the chefs the food to cook.
We're not doing much.
I keep the inventory.
Okay.
You made sure the chicken wasn't getting stolen.
Yeah.
I was keeping track of all the chicken, all the mashed potatoes and cans of all that.
What was your MOS? I was a truck driver.
Oh, shit.
You know what's crazy?
So you got your CDL through the military?
No, I couldn't stand them big-ass trucks.
I got, like, I'm scared of heights, so when I get in that truck, I get, like, caustic.
Yeah.
So they just had me driving the Humvees.
Oh, shit.
I didn't want to drive those trucks.
I hated those trucks.
Those trucks were so...
You couldn't rely on the brakes.
Like the semi-trucks?
Yeah.
Oh, I wouldn't want to drive those.
Yeah.
I hated it because when me and Keith joined...
Originally, it was going to be MPs, but they had lied to us.
They lied to us.
So when we went in, we was actually...
They lied to get people in.
Yeah.
I wanted to be an MP. I wanted to be a police officer.
That's the reason why I entered, yeah.
Yeah, but everything was a lie.
Wow.
What did you guys do after the military?
Any real jobs or just start YouTubing?
Before I got in the military, when I got some leave, I went back to that recruiting station.
I was going to find them damn recruit guys, but they had closed up the office and it was moving.
Yep, that's right.
Do you guys have an issue with the recruit guys?
Yeah, because he lied to us.
He lied to us.
Supposed to be military police.
But I worked in a mess hall and he was a truck driver.
So you never got what you wanted the whole time?
I think if they would have gave me what I promised, I probably would have made it crazy.
You would have stayed longer, right?
But I had a lot of resentment because everything...
But can't you switch your MOS when you're in?
Like, or is it very difficult to do?
No.
They tell you that, but you can't.
They can't tell you that.
Because they invest all this time and money in you to do that one job.
And then there's not that many.
Yeah, right.
The reason why they call the few, the proud, the Marines.
I still, you know, that's why.
Damn.
It was a great experience, though.
And y'all are the first ones in, last ones out, if I'm not mistaken, right?
Something like that.
Supposed to be, yeah, something like that.
It's been so long.
But we just cooks and freaking truck drivers.
It's boring as hell.
Yeah.
I mean, we just out training, right?
Because once a year, you got to pretend like you're actual Marines.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Freaking complete catastrophe.
We had these machines that we play war games.
Yeah.
And so if you get shot, it'll beat.
Okay.
That's how you know you're dead.
So we're out there playing Marines and getting actual training.
And I mean, it was in the back of this Humvee.
And we all had our M16s, had all our equipment on, and we was just pretending to be at war.
And then the truck slammed on the brakes because someone was getting ambushed.
Oh, shit.
Right?
People shooting at us.
We...
Because the truck slammed on the brakes.
Everybody did like this in the back of the truck.
Oh, shit.
And we actually shot each other in the back of the truck when he slammed on the brakes.
Oh, man.
Right?
Everybody's going.
So I remember a couple of us made it off.
And as soon as we got off, they just lit us up right there.
It was just...
Yeah.
We didn't know what the hell we was doing.
Yeah, you weren't trained for.
Good thing you didn't go to war.
We never really received any real training.
We talked about this a few times.
I might as well just ask this.
What was it like living through the OJ Simpson trial?
Oh man.
Because you guys are like actually adults and can like...
Yeah.
I remember it.
I was in boot camp when that happened.
Everybody stopped what they're doing and he put it on TV. Drill instructs, everybody.
We sat down and they said, I said, what happened?
They said, OJ's running from the cops.
I said, what do you do?
He said, man, he killed his wife.
I said, what?
Yeah, I remember my drill instructor.
He was a senior drill instructor.
He came out and said, yeah, that black piece of shit killed his wife.
I remember that.
Yeah, he said that.
Really?
Yeah.
He was a white dude?
He was a white dude.
I think his name was, he was Staff Sergeant Belinda.
Yeah.
Did you celebrate when OJ got off?
When I saw that when he got off, I said, damn, that is crazy how black people celebrate in the streets.
It was crazy.
Black people were celebrating.
It was weird.
Yeah.
It went crazy.
But then the family came back and sued him, and they got their money back, I'll tell you that.
Yeah, yeah.
Fucked with his book.
Did you see what...
Yeah, he was living out in Vegas.
Did y'all see what the BET Awards did about three weeks ago?
They didn't put him on the RP thing.
Yeah, they did, yeah.
Just because he got off.
Now, if the shoe was on the other foot, if the shoe was on the other foot, you remember that guy, what was his name?
He got beat by those police officers.
Rodney King.
Rodney King.
What if the...
What if white people...
Country Music Awards.
Country Music Awards brought those police officers on stage and say, I want to thank you for your service.
That would have been crazy.
That would have been crazy, right?
But that's what black people did.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There would have been rides in the streets.
Yeah.
They brought these abusive officers on.
Stephen A actually called it out, and black people started attacking him.
Calling him a monkey?
Of course.
Yeah, I was like...
You can't say none of them, bro.
Like, you already know.
He's a hero.
He killed a white girl and got off.
Yeah, exactly.
That's how they look at it.
That's a weird culture, right?
That's a weird culture.
He also killed one of them boys, too, and got away with it.
Yeah.
Did you see that documentary?
Which one?
On OJ. Which one?
There's a couple...
The most recent one was the ESPN. Yeah, I did see that.
The police was there every day and they did absolutely nothing.
Yeah, yeah.
That is crazy.
Yeah.
Because he was a black man during that time and he got away with it.
Yeah.
Well, he would get away by giving autographs.
Yeah.
Like, they would literally, like, they'd show up like, come on, Juice.
Yeah.
And they'd be like, okay, I'll just sign a couple things.
Right.
Yeah, he was a huge superstar.
And he was likable.
He's the kind of guy he wanted to like, so he didn't want to believe it.
People did see him as a thug and he treated him totally different.
He was a likable, charismatic guy.
You can't really deny that.
People see him now.
Everyone's still trying to take pictures of him.
When I see him in Summerland, everyone's like, oh, it's OJ. This guy killed a couple people.
It's funny, too, because he always takes pictures of blonde white women.
It makes it even funny.
They're the first ones to run to him.
They go home with him still.
It's crazy.
Do y'all know who this guy is?
I still remember when that verdict came out.
I still remember the faces of the black people celebrating, and you see the faces of the white people.
And how disappointed he was.
I was like, man, this is just bullshit.
A black guy can kill me and get off.
If he's rich.
He's really rich, too.
I'm sure that helped.
People say they don't see race.
Man, race is such a huge thing.
So, you guys had a stint in law enforcement.
No, I said law enforcement.
Laws prevention.
Right?
I was in law prevention myself.
I did Macy's.
You guys, can you take us through?
Everybody went to Macy's, y'all.
Take me through how you guys got into that and what law prevention is.
Because a lot of people are like, what the fuck are these dudes talking about?
Well, we got to the Marine Corps.
We was doing a lot of security work.
And I was like, man, then I found out about loss prevention.
That sounds cool and exciting.
Can't be an MP, so...
Right, exactly.
Always like law enforcement type work.
So that's where you dress like a regular customer and you just walk around and pretend to shop.
So we got hired at Ross Dress for Less.
That was our first job.
Where was this located?
This was in Santa Ana, California.
Okay.
What's the population distribution?
It's actually a red area, but it's a majority Latino.
Okay.
I don't know if it's red.
What year is this now?
Are we talking like 95-96 now?
We're 95-96?
This is like...
I want to say...
Well, it was 94-98 Marine Corps.
And then we got out after that.
So I would say that's around.
Early 2000s?
Okay.
I would say.
I'm old, man.
The years just blend together, right?
Early 2000s.
I can only keep track by looking at...
Oh, that fight was that year?
Yeah, I can't believe we've been...
TRL and TV type shit?
Yeah.
Early 2000s.
Early 2000s.
Okay, so y'all are there.
And then what?
Did such a great job, got promoted to investigator.
Okay.
That's when you investigate internal theft.
Right.
Okay.
And then from there, we actually went.
Oh, so were you guys like on the floor the whole time?
Like y'all weren't in the back watching cameras?
Yeah, they didn't have cameras.
Yeah, it was all floor work.
Okay.
Now, when we became internal investigators, it was watching employees at that point.
We installed cameras.
Then after you suspect somebody or you have enough evidence, you sit down and interview them.
They say something like 80% of theft is internal.
Most of the shortages is actually internal.
I remember I had one case.
This lady did like $100,000 in refund fraud.
Wow.
And you bring him in and you interview him and then you just get him to confess?
Yeah.
And then what do y'all do?
Call the cops on them, please.
Okay.
People usually confess?
They'd be like, no.
Yeah, sometimes you show them the evidence, they just...
You're right there on video doing it.
So it's like caught right-handed.
But you would always try to see how good of an interview.
You wouldn't show them all the evidence.
You'd just give them bits and pieces.
Of course.
And then, like, did you guys, like, when I worked at Macy's, we had 100% prosecution rate.
They took it for everything.
I remember we sent a dude to jail inside for taking a chocolate bar.
Did Ross take everything?
Nah, not everything.
What was their limit?
It had to be, how much was their limit?
I think it was over 65 bucks.
For...
Yeah, I think so.
This is the early 2000s.
For somebody shoplifting for an employee, I think it was over a grain or something like that.
Oh, so they needed more if they were an employee.
Wow.
That's crazy.
You'd think you'd have even less...
We knew who the people were.
We would just sew them and get it back.
Oh, okay.
That makes sense.
That's how they handled it, Ross.
So y'all did that for how long?
Man, I was there for about six years, I think.
six years all right tell me how and y'all work together well sometimes it was together but how it was set up in Ross is you traveled from store to store you was never in the same store so sometimes we would be working the same store together okay so tell me the craziest story because i can think of a bunch of like you always get into fights with these people all this other like tell me the craziest story y'all had when y'all i remember we caught just one mexican dude a little fat pablo looking dude That dude still, he came in with a trash bag.
This dude walked out with like 3,000 customers.
Before he walked out, he's got the bag, man.
He's going back and forth.
I'm like...
When they come in with a bag, it's go time.
Yeah.
But back then it wasn't.
Yeah, but the crazy thing, he kept going to the front and wouldn't leave.
Kept going to the front.
He went to see if somebody was following him.
Now I was about to have a heart attack waiting for this dude to leave and he wouldn't leave.
Finally, the dude left.
We get him outside, handcuff him, bring him inside.
So y'all tackled him then at that point, probably.
He didn't even fight.
It's Buena Park, right?
It's Buena Park.
So we take him back to the back, right?
I said, Keith, I'm going to go get all the tags he ripped off and stuff, right?
Evidence.
Evidence, right?
I'm going to gather evidence.
So I'm gathering evidence and tags and all that.
I get back.
Let me take it from here.
So Kevin's gathering evidence, right?
And I'm out here getting the port going, calling cops, getting the port going.
And then I'm asking the guy for his name and his information.
And then I look back and I was talking to him.
I look back and I was like...
Man, this dude took off running.
Right?
He's already handcuffed, right?
I'm like, so I run out the store.
I'm like...
Did you handcuff him in the front or in the back?
I think he was in the front.
No!
That's the guy that was double jointed.
He slipped out of his handcuffs.
Yeah, he's...
Let me get to that.
So I'm looking.
Then I can see him running, right?
So I'm booking after him, right?
Yeah.
I finally catch him.
Yeah.
And I catch him.
I put him on the ground.
And I was pissed because this is a big stat.
Boss gonna kiss my ass and everything.
I was pissed.
He making me run, right?
So I get the cuffs back on him.
And I say, you want to run?
Let's run back to the store.
So I'm dragging this dude all the way back to the store.
We get back to the store.
Everyone's looking at y'all and shit.
Everybody's looking crazy.
Kevin comes out the store.
Man, what happened?
What happened?
Oh, this motherfucker running?
Get your ass back in the stove.
I ain't going to tell him the other stuff.
Hey, y'all can say this is 20 years ago, bro.
Kevin is a police officer.
Kevin is a white supremacist police officer.
That's all I'm going to say.
Oh, there were some jokes made, I see.
George Floyd and Roy.
Hey, you know what?
We can switch the rubber rule if you want to say what you said.
Well, it's statute of limitations.
We good.
All right.
I ain't taking no chance.
Nah.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Well, I guess we'll say it possibly didn't really happen.
I remember she said that.
It never happened.
Oh, you want to run, motherfucker?
Let's run back to the store.
It's just for the audience to know, like, most of the time when you do loss prevention, like, the security office is almost always in the back.
So you got to drag them through the store to bring them back there and process them.
So in my head, I'm envisioning this as, like, funny-ass shit.
Yeah.
If you guys seen like San Francisco and stuff now, they can't even stop the guys.
They're loading in bags.
Like 950 I think is like the limit.
So they're just like right there stealing almost a thousand.
Even if they go above that, they don't really prosecute you.
You know what's crazy?
When we would arrest them, the cops, they would leave with them in the back of the car, but they would just pull around the corner and write them a ticket and let them go.
Because they would come right back in the store like maybe a month later doing the same thing.
You know what's crazy back in the middle?
I remember we was at that same store.
I ain't going to tell them the city.
It was in that vicinity.
I remember we was chasing a guy, shoplifter.
This white dude with a mullet and his picture truck.
He told me he'd keep running out.
It's always the white guy.
Black guy chasing a white guy with a mullet.
He's got a mullet.
He's like, what did he do?
I said, he stole something.
He said, I'm going to get him.
He took off, hit the dude with his truck.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because we're running with these...
We had like a necklace and a bag on it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He hit the dude with his truck.
Yeah.
That's hilarious.
So a dude hit the mullet guy with a truck.
No, he hit the shoplifter.
Oh, the guy with the mullet?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He saw the shoplifter and he just hit him.
He just hit him.
He knew...
Well, he didn't hit him.
He pulled out in front of him and he ran into the truck.
That's funny.
That's funny.
He ran into the truck.
When you told him, hey, you stole, what was his response?
I got him.
Yeah.
Do you have a Southern accent too?
I got him!
Yeah, he looks like he's from the South.
Yeah.
Now, the best part, was the guy you were chasing, was he white or black?
He was white?
Most of the people arrested was Latinos.
Yeah.
Okay.
Because that's 80% of the population.
You know what's crazy?
Yeah.
We live in a majority, it was Latino, but white.
Real white, red area.
But as soon as you've seen a black person walk in the store, I would say 99% of the time, they stole something.
- As soon as he walked in the store, they're like, yes.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - He was telling everybody what they about to do.
- Yeah.
- And in that area, there was no black people.
- Yeah.
- You could totally tell they was from LA.
- Yeah.
Let me ask you this, because I'm glad I'm talking to people from this world.
What I noticed when I was on the job, and I want to get your guys' take, is women stole, on average, five times as much as the men. - Yep.
Where it was like way more women?
White girls?
Oh my god.
Somebody you would never suspect.
They were so good at it.
What would they steal from us when I was working at Macy's?
They always stole jewelry.
Like the fucking jewelry.
But yeah, earrings, that bullshit like that.
For you guys, same thing?
And they would be hot.
It's like, well, if you want to get off, they'll let you go.
I remember I brought this one white girl.
She was smoking.
This girl was beautiful, right?
She didn't have no underwear on.
I had a handcuff down the thine.
She put both her legs up and spread her legs.
She could see everything.
Really?
Did you let her off?
When did I do that, girl?
You just called her mom because she's underage.
Yeah, that's right.
She was in the 80s.
There goes shit.
So I called Corbin.
Just like you 16.
Man.
Right?
I feel like I had a girl in here.
It's all on video because everything that went digital.
Everything from the moment you walk into it to the moment you walk into it.
Everything is important.
I got an unaged girl.
You can see everything on that video.
What do you want me to do with it?
It's called appearances.
Yeah, I'm talking about that video because that's, you know.
Yeah, because it was recorded.
You see me in the video, I'm like, yes, I'm doing a report.
I'm like, oh shit.
Remember the rest of that transgender?
Y'all got a Transformer?
In the early 2000s?
How'd that happen?
Yeah, fair enough.
No, we arrested her because she's transgender.
That's a good reason.
But she propositioned us.
She kept licking her lips.
I'll do anything.
Well, in this case, it was she to...
It was a...
Yeah, I know what you mean.
The other way around, yeah.
Oh, man.
Yeah, you deal with some crazy shit with loss prevention, bro.
Really strange people, drug addicts, shit like that.
They're stealing a boost, you know?
I had a gun put on me one time.
I was going to ask what was the most dangerous one.
I had a knife put on me.
And, of course, the one time in the time I did that job to pull the gun was a black guy.
Shocking.
What did he steal?
That he was willing to shoot you for?
Grab and runs.
They were just coming to the store and just grabbing stuff.
There was a grab and run on that one?
Yeah.
It's either grab and runs or there was a quick change at the cashier.
Oh, I didn't give you a 20.
I gave you a hundred.
Yeah, you owe me $80.
Get it?
Yeah.
That's the only time I ever had a gun put on me.
Yeah.
Damn, I forgot what he said.
What did he say?
He was so smooth when he said it.
Don't lose your life over this.
He said, come on, brother.
brother don't do this.
All right, take it.
He got the call.
He's like, Tupac was playing.
Oh, wow.
Rolled off.
Yeah.
I mean, he was so smooth when he did.
He was calm as hell?
He was calm as hell, brother don't do this.
He got the gun with the brother don't do this.
He would have shot you too, I bet.
Yeah, that's funny.
So early 2000s, you guys did that for how long?
Like five, six years?
Yeah, then we went from that, we went to...
Did we go to private investigations after that?
Yeah, I became a private investigator.
Yeah, it was a private investigator.
How'd y'all like that?
That was cool.
That was fun.
Oh man, you following these people for like workers comp claims and they go to the doctor with a damn cane.
Oh, were y'all doing it for like insurance companies?
Yeah.
It was a private company, but insurance companies would contract us with it.
You see all this crazy stuff.
People lying about how they can't walk.
They go to the doctor, they're limping.
And then when they get home, they're running up the steps.
You see people cheating on their wives.
The only downside to that is when you got a case in like Watts or Compton.
I got chased out of Compton.
They chased me out of Compton.
And Watts?
Because they didn't recognize the car, right?
Yeah.
Plus, I don't seem like I'm from that area.
The way I talk and the way I look.
Like, hey, where are you from?
Yeah.
So I remember I had this case in Watts.
I pulled up like two hours earlier because I didn't want nobody to see me pull up, right?
I turned all the lights off before I got to the house.
Yeah, you tried to get shot.
I turned all the lights and just creeped up, right?
Oh, man.
And you know, at night, you can hear everything, right?
Them damn brakes are squeaking like crazy.
As soon as I stopped the car, man, all the lights came out of the house, everybody outside like this.
All you seen was eyes and teeth.
Yeah.
Shit.
Because everybody's dirty.
Everybody's dirty.
Everybody's dirty.
Everybody, like, in that area, man, when you walk in, when you're in that area, everybody's looking over their shoulders.
Like, everybody's paranoid.
Yep.
Yep.
Because they did something to somebody.
They need people getting shot all the time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, you guys did that for a while.
So you guys did basically for insurance companies.
Did you guys ever do like for private citizens?
Private investigations?
No, it's all insurance.
I think we might have had a couple.
Because I was going to ask, for private citizens, what is it?
Mostly infidelity investigations?
Infidelity.
When it's a private person, it's always infidelity.
Yeah, like I'm going to hire you to follow my girl around or my husband around.
They just want dirt so they get custody kids and then get child support.
Oh, so they knew that they're cheating.
They just needed the fucking proof.
Yeah.
Who would hire you guys more for that?
Was it the man or the woman?
I think more often than not, it was a woman.
You never get it from the guy.
I would come across that while I'm doing for the insurance companies.
This guy was cheating on his wife with her sister.
I was like, oh my god.
Did you disclose that to the insurance company too?
No.
I asked my boss and I'll just leave all that out.
Okay.
They just wanted to see that they were actually not injured and shit.
You know, isn't it crazy?
Like, I've always said to myself, like, insurance is the one business where they're trying to not deliver their service.
Right.
Yeah.
It's like they're actually successful for not delivering their service.
And they, like, hire people like you guys and these actuaries, all these people to, like, make sure they don't pay up.
Right.
It's like the one business where they're trying to not do what they're supposed to do.
And then on top of that, the lawyer gets 33% of your case.
Because I had a workers' comp claim on myself.
But I was seriously injured.
Was this with Ross?
Yeah, I got fucked up by these damn essays.
Take me through that one.
They beat me with some damn tire irons.
Oh, this is dislocated.
So tell me, how'd that even come about?
I was with this one guy, I'm gonna just call him T, black dude, big ass dude, like to talk shit to people.
I was out there pretty much backing him up.
I'm out there backing him up and he's talking so much shit, you think he can throw down and fight?
Nope, he's the biggest pussy in the world and damn near got me killed.
Yeah, he took off running, didn't he?
Well, he tried to run.
They caught his ass.
And they caught me.
And then I actually ended up leaving at Rawson.
That's when I became a prime investigator.
So, they stole.
You guys chased him outside.
Did y'all, like, grab him or anything?
Or he just, like, talk a shit?
No, they whooped my black ass.
That's what they did.
I was in the hospital.
When y'all tried to stop him, they just beat you guys up.
We went out to stop him.
And, like, five, six dudes jumped out with crowbars.
It's like they baited us.
Oh.
Because that guy, he knew who he was.
I came into contact with him several times, too.
Okay.
But I didn't actually see him take anything.
He said, hey, man, they got something.
It was just...
So one dude stole, ran out, and then there was like...
I don't think they actually stole anything.
I think that one guy that was an agent for the store, I think he got me in trouble.
You think they wanted to beat him up or you?
Oh, they wanted to beat both asses.
Yeah.
Shit.
Okay.
So, after...
We're going through you guys' whole life.
And then, after that, what'd you guys do?
After the private investigation stuff?
We went to Southern...
AAA of Southern California with insurance adjusters.
Yeah.
For, like, auto claims.
So, when you filed an auto accident, they would call us.
Oh, shit.
His job was crazy.
And we started that job right now.
I think he must have hated you guys.
You guys were the ones like, nope, doesn't qualify.
Yeah, they're the ones denying claims.
Yeah, they're the ones denying claims, bro.
I remember, man, coming in on a Monday when everybody's having accidents over the weekend.
Your queue would just fill up with claims and everybody's calling.
Your phone is going off the hook.
You didn't have time.
Well, back then it was beepers probably.
No, this is early 2000s.
You guys had cell phones.
Yeah, we had cell phones.
We had the flip phones.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the Nokias.
It was $10,000.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Goddamn.
But at that job, I came across YouTube.
YouTube just started.
Yeah.
What year are we in now?
This is 2006?
2007?
2007, 2008.
Yeah.
And I went to Kevin's Cube.
I said, hey, Kevin, I got an idea.
Let's start a YouTube channel.
Did y'all hate that job?
Like, what made you like- Oh, I hated that job.
What made it crazy?
Like, was it like- It was overworked.
Underpaid.
Underpaid.
Sitting at a desk all day.
That's like, that's probably the worst job I've ever had.
How long did y'all do that for?
I did that shit for like four years.
Damn.
Damn.
Yeah, but we started doing YouTube videos.
It was like a part-time thing.
It doesn't make no money.
And that actually gets us fired from that job.
Take me through that because I know exactly what that feels like.
I didn't get fired, but they definitely had that talk with me.
It keeps on lunch break, right?
We see human resources walking in.
And the white guy, he was gay.
Everybody knew he was gay.
And then he's with his other chick.
And we're walking around taking a break outside.
And we see them walk in.
But before they walked in, they turned around and looked at us.
Keith looked at me, hmm, that's funny.
Why are they looking at us?
Because they didn't work in that building.
They was coming from corporate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Why are they here?
Whenever you see human resource, somebody's going to get fired.
So they're looking at us.
I'm like, why is human resource here?
Why are they looking at us?
So I get to my queue and the manager comes to my desk.
Hey, I need to talk to you.
I say, uh-oh.
What if it's about human resources here?
I get in there and there's the bald gay guy and the girl.
At this point, like, what's going through your mind?
Did you know it was YouTube immediately?
No, I didn't know.
I said, yep, they're going to try to fire my ass.
Because there was overstaffed.
And back at that time, we was having an economy crisis.
It was 2007, 2008.
Oh, this is the housing market crash.
Yeah.
Was Obama in yet?
Or are we talking Bush is still in?
I think Obama's in.
Okay, so 2008.
Yeah, 2008 then.
Literally, housing market crash, bad economy, recession.
So they're talking to me, right?
And they got to talking about YouTube.
And I said, yeah, we do YouTube...
Yeah, he said, what are y'all filming?
I said, we film them downstairs and it's vacant.
But they just got rid of all the second floor.
Nobody's down there.
There's no signage, no nothing.
So when our lunch breaks, we would clock out.
We would go down and shoot a quick YouTube video.
Yeah, talk about something in the news.
Yeah, something in the news.
What y'all used to record at this point in 2008?
Oh, it's our phone.
No, I had this...
What do you call it?
They had the Walmart camera, man.
That shit was crazy.
Like a camcorder?
We had afros.
We had the afros.
My teeth was...
Yeah, my teeth was jacked.
I looked like Jaws in there, bitch.
It was...
I was going to talk to you guys about your teeth.
Yeah, your teeth was...
I'm going to watch y'all for a minute.
So they start talking to me.
He says, what are y'all filming?
I said, downstairs in a vacant room.
He says, well, you know, that's against company pilots.
I said, well, I'm on my lunch break.
Nobody's down there.
Y'all leasing the building.
I said, we didn't think it was a problem.
We're just doing something on our free time.
He said, well, that's not really the problem.
The problem is you're cursing the videos.
I said, I'm cursing the videos.
I said, nobody knows where I work at.
There's no signs to know anything.
I'm not representing your company.
They don't even know I work for you.
So what's the issue?
They trying to find a way to get rid of the staff.
So I lost my cool and I fucking went off on that motherfucker.
So I'm fucking cursing and they say, hey, you got to go to your desk.
No, I'm not cursing yet.
They say, you got to go to your desk and move all your shit.
So I'm like boiling because I'm like here every day.
I hate this fucking job.
I'm doing my job every day.
Right.
So I get to my desk.
I'm like taking my picture out of my dad.
I said, nope, not going out like a fucking pussy.
I'm going to cuss out all these damn people.
So I said, okay, they talking to me.
They're going to talk to Keith.
So I said, I tried to go.
I said, hold up.
I ain't going to pack my shit.
Let me go talk to my brother.
He said, no, you got to leave me right now.
I said, I'm going to talk to my brother first, right?
He said, I'm going to call the council.
Call him, bitch.
I'm going to be right over there talking to my brother.
So I go to my brother.
My brother ain't there.
I said, oh, they talking to Keith now.
Shit.
So I start walking all over the third floor, going to the room.
Hey, have you seen my brother?
He said, man, that gay dude just grabbed him up.
So I'm looking for Keith.
I'm going through all the coverage rooms.
I can't find Keith, right?
So finally, I said, Keith's down there.
And the whole time, all the managers followed me.
Yeah, I was going to say, you got to leave.
It's a big spectacle.
Everybody's like, Kevin, I lost his mind.
Kevin go and post on this bitch.
So I go into the door.
I said, Chief, man, I busted the door.
JJ was like, oh, what the fuck?
I'm like, hey, Chief, man, they talk to you about these damn YouTube videos, man.
They just put me, sent me home on leave.
They gonna fire your ass over a damn video that nobody knows where the fuck we're at, right?
So I will fucking go off on it.
And Chief still doesn't, what?
Ma and Chief start cussing out all the motherfuckers.
So I'm cussed.
I'm like, fuck you.
I'm calling people the F word.
I'm calling people everything.
Right?
And then I get down.
We all wearing ties?
We all wearing ties?
And at that time, I had an afro.
I wish we had a video of this.
It was like the stereotypical black guy at the Triple A reference.
With your necktie, with your afro.
It was crazy, my afro looked like George Jefferson.
It was like big as hell on the side.
Yeah, if you're in a fire, you might as well run with a band like that.
I'll do the same thing.
Imagine this in my head.
You got all these white people chasing y'all niggas around.
You guys got ties like, fuck y'all, man!
And I remember everybody was fucking...
I remember these older black ladies.
We used to always talk to them.
They'd been working there for like 20 years.
And people said, what happened?
What happened?
I said, they put me on administrative leave.
I said, I'm pretty much fired because I was doing that video.
You're definitely fired after that.
Yeah, yeah.
I wanted to make sure I was fired, actually.
Because we got on unemployment at the time.
Well, we got fired, and then we're just like, man, we're on unemployment.
Let's see if we can make the YouTube work.
Yeah.
So it turned out great.
So it was like a silver lining, you know?
Yeah.
At this point, were you guys doing, like, the type of content when you guys, like, your earlier stuff, were you, like, answering questions?
It was, like, new stuff.
We were just doing, like, real-life stories and stuff.
Like, it was very new at it.
Yeah.
Did you guys do fitness for a while?
We haven't even gotten to fitness.
We had one YouTube channel.
I think we had like maybe 2,500 subscribers.
That's a lot back then though.
2008, nobody was using YouTube like that.
Was it monetized at that point?
I was making about 5 cents a month, right?
I remember my wife said, y'all got fired over YouTube videos?
I said, yeah.
She said, what the fuck?
Then we said, hey, babe, I got a plan, right?
Because Keith's wife was pregnant, right?
And I said, babe, don't worry, we got a plan.
We become comedians on the internet.
Yo, this is 2008 for the audience that's out there.
This is unheard of in 2008, bro.
Unheard of.
You made her laugh.
Yeah.
So we was already poor as shit, right?
Like my wife, I was so poor.
My wife looked like she was an illegal immigrant, man.
Her hair was fucked up.
Nails never done.
Looked like she just crossed the border.
Yeah, we was broke.
Were y'all like living together?
No.
You guys were close?
They couldn't get along.
Oh, your wives.
Okay.
Yeah.
So we was doing YouTube videos and then my wife told us over and out, won't y'all stop this dumb YouTube shit and go get a real job?
Yeah.
Because we was making like five, ten bucks a day.
Yeah.
I remember one month, I said, look, man, it's going up.
We made $400.
Look.
We're making it, baby.
Maybe next year you get your nails done.
I had my baby.
We was on WIC food stamps.
We're fair.
Yeah, we was doing real bad, man.
But you know what?
You guys really are black.
Yeah.
But we kept at it.
We kept at it.
And then the money we was making on unemployment, we didn't even have to claim it because it was so minute.
It didn't even matter.
So the YouTube money.
Right when our unemployment was running out, Start getting views.
I said, look, we made $1,500 of money.
It still wasn't much, but it was like...
But it shows growth and you might actually make something, man.
And then the unemployment ran out and then the money was going up.
I said, damn, this shit finally starting to Are we still in 08 now at this point?
Like, once y'all started to catch your groove, like, are you guys still...
This is still 2008?
This is 2009.
Okay.
We've been on YouTube for about a year.
What got us through that, because I remember we was making money, but it wasn't enough, but we was on welfare and assistance, and we was on that when the unemployment ran out, but then, you know, as we started making money, I said, man, we're making enough money, we can just get off of welfare because we don't need it anymore.
Yeah.
So, and then we just...
From that point on, when we got fired from AAA, I said, you know, let's treat this like a nine-to-five.
It took us about three or four or five months that went past before we actually was able...
Because, like I said, when in high school, I was very, very shy.
So when you cut on the camera, it's like you're talking to millions of people.
And it was very awkward for me.
So over time, we actually...
He helped me with my shyness, and I was able...
Mm-hmm.
Talk to people.
So over time, I got better at that, and then our videos got better, but it really started clicking when we started to become just, just be our genuine self.
Yeah, it was fun.
We uploaded our first video on YouTube on Christmas Day.
Yeah.
And they said- 2008.
2008.
What was that comment?
Yeah, what losers upload a video on Christmas Day with no surprise?
What else are we doing?
I remember...
That was like our first comment on YouTube.
I remember to this day, man, me and Keith sending out emails to people.
Hey, Keith, watch my video.
Thank you for the support.
Please do that shit.
Yeah.
And I'll be reading the comments.
This video sucks.
You guys suck.
Go picture G. You guys are losers.
For the people that are...
Their teeth used to be crooked as fuck, man.
Y'all, Jagged Edge, man.
Real tight.
That's why I used to call y'all niggas.
I used to call y'all niggas Jagged Edge when I used to watch y'all.
Jagged Edge.
Yeah, yeah.
This canine was Jagged Edge.
Go watch their old videos.
The singing group?
Yeah, bro.
Yeah, the singing group.
Yeah.
Guys, go watch their old videos, man.
It was bad.
Watch their old videos, man.
Yeah, yeah.
Did the negative comments that bother you a lot in the beginning?
I stopped reading them.
Yeah, I stopped reading them.
Like now I think it's funny, but when you first started seeing them, you're like, the first time, it's like weird the first time, like people hate me, they don't know me for no reason.
Now I think it's funny, but when you first see it, it's hard.
Yeah, I remember I got this comment.
It was about this long.
This dude wrote a comment to me and he said, man, I can't stand you two niggas.
He said, that's what he said.
He said, I hope y'all get in a fatal car accident.
I hope one of y'all was thrown from the car.
I hope one of you was trapped and you watched the oven burn to death.
Right?
And then I hope you have a heart attack after seeing your brother burn to death.
That was a comment.
That was a comment.
That was a meme.
This is right back before moderation and censorship.
Yeah.
Yeah, those comments are crazy!
Yeah, I know some people that are famous and they still can't read the comments on themselves.
It's hard on some people.
Yeah, when you first see that stuff, it's like...
And mind you, 2008, you saying that you're going to be an influencer and make money on the internet was an unheard of thing.
It was a few people doing it.
I think it was on some show like Oprah's show or something.
It was talking about how they were making money.
It was this white guy.
I forget his name.
He had like 200,000 subscribers.
And he was making $20,000 a month.
I was like, man, just give me $3,500 a month.
That's how I started off.
Just give me $3,000, $4,000 a month.
And then when we hit that, and then it kept going, I was like, man, this is crazy.
So, when do you guys feel like you really started to hit your stride?
What year?
When did you guys get that first $3,500 a month?
I think it's when we started our fitness channel.
What year was this?
2011?
2011, 2012.
And it was twin muscle workout.
I remember this vividly because I used to watch you guys.
TMW. TMW, man.
TMW, yeah.
And, you know, I remember watching you guys in college and, you know, funniest shit for me because I can't do deadlifts either because my back is, lower back is fucking fucked.
Yeah, we're too tall.
Yeah, because we're all the same height.
So when you guys used to call them shits, back snaps?
Yeah.
Bro.
You know why we called them back snaps?
Because I got a bad back.
I got a hurt.
Me too.
So I was like looking at the ex, I was like, what's the purpose of doing that?
Yeah.
I mean, if you want arthritis in your back, yeah, keep doing muscle.
Like, what purpose if you try to, like, build a muscle?
I know it's some functional, you can build some functional strength, but you can do that doing squats.
That shit looks so unnatural to me because I guess I'm so tall.
Yeah, you got a bad back as well.
So this is going to show, like, okay, so I remember this vividly in my head.
I'm in college, right?
I sit in my dorm.
Me and my buddy used to work out.
This is, like, 2013, my senior year.
I was kind of like you.
I had to go to summer school to get my fucking degree.
Like you in high school.
Right.
And I remember this vividly, bro.
Y'all are in there lifting weights.
And one of y'all was doing a seated barbell shoulder press.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And, like, the shit went like this.
You went super heavy, like 225 or some shit.
Oh, I remember that video.
I think I had on the blue hoodie.
Yeah, you did.
You did.
I remember that.
And then somebody was going like this and then it like went out of like lane.
Yeah.
It's like, oh, right there's about to snap his shit up.
And you guys, this is what you guys were doing, the voiceovers and shit.
Right, right, right.
And I thought that was so fucking funny because, you know, it was the first one to do that.
Yeah, he was like, oh, he about to snap his shit up.
And I was like, yo, this is fucking funny, man.
Yeah.
I've never seen these old fitness videos.
I've never seen those.
Oh, man.
It's hilarious, bro.
They used to voice over their own workouts and shit.
Because when you watch your shit back, they're like, damn, that form is atrocious.
And then they'd be like, damn, I don't know how I just set my shit up right there.
You know what I never noticed before I looked at my old videos, how much I cursed.
It's crazy.
I remember before my mom passed away, she said, I saw you on that YouTube.
You need to stop all that damn cussing.
I said, my mom don't cuss that much.
I looked at them videos so old.
I mean, each one of your outros, man, do whatever the fuck you want to do.
Like, yeah, like...
It's a bad habit.
Yeah, yeah, and then, you know, and then I ain't gonna lie, there was, um, when I watch y'all, I always wear headphones, because y'all niggas be like, you know, like, you're doing that shit like you did earlier.
Like, you're like, what are you watching?
Niggas think I'm to watch a porn.
I'm like, no!
Look, it's not, like, look, it's...
People told us that, man.
That's a, like, gay porn.
Because these niggas would have stopped, like...
Yeah.
I'm like looking around this shit, you know, and the niggas are like, hey, what are you listening?
Bro, look, these two niggas are like, oh, okay.
You know what's so crazy about that?
When we started doing comedy shows?
They used to fuck me up in the college dorm, man.
Three other dudes, they had jokes for days, man.
And they were white too, so you know it wasn't fucking relentless.
I remember going, doing our comedy shows, going out in public, you would just be minding your own business, somebody would come up behind you and go, yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
That must have been weird.
Yeah, yeah, it was weird.
Give us the weirdest fan encounter with that.
Man, it's just like...
You didn't realize how many people...
Well, you've seen your subscribers going up, but then when you start going out in public and people recognizing you, I was like, holy shit, this is like...
Let me ask this.
When did you guys...
Like, for me, I remember this in my head.
Once we started hitting, once we hit, like, around 100,000 subscribers, that's when people started recognizing me.
And I was like, what the fuck is this?
Right.
Because I came from a law enforcement background, and you don't want nobody to know what you used to do.
Right.
So for you guys, when did you guys start, like, getting noticed?
Like, people coming up to you and saying, yo, can I get a picture of shit?
Around 150.
Around what year was that?
Man, we had 2010.
2012, 2013.
It's been pretty big for a while.
This round, we had, like, 250,000 subscribers on Twitter.
We all had a couple channels.
You guys had also like the hot swings where you guys would answer questions.
Yeah, ask hot swings.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right?
Actually, we started that channel because people say, man, we love your fitness advice.
Why don't y'all give us a relationship?
Okay, okay.
Yeah, because you guys would be in there with the white beaters.
You just get the fuck out of the way and all that.
Man, you see them white beaters we used to wear?
Yeah, Dusty.
Look, Jay, right?
Yeah, it was a little weird, but it's funny.
Yeah, it looked like a blouse.
It did look like a tank tank.
It looked like a blouse, yeah.
So, like, y'all would answer this...
Okay.
Go ahead.
Well, I guess it looks gay.
I don't know.
It looks like something a guy...
Well, fuck it.
Well, a gay guy would wear.
Yeah.
That's what it looked like.
So, you guys would be...
You guys would be, obviously...
Because YouTube Fitness, like, was huge in, like, 2010 on.
Yeah.
It was huge.
And...
To me, I think YouTube Fitness died like 2016, 2017.
Yeah.
At that point.
It was like prank channels, right?
Because I remember vividly, I was watching you guys.
I was watching Matt Ogis.
I was watching Chris Jones from POG. Physiques of Greatness now.
I think it's Pump Chasers.
I was watching Eric Callum's Lane Norton.
All the 3DMJ guys.
What else?
Jeff Side.
Right.
That's way old.
Yeah.
Who else am I trying to think?
I remember when he was doing the fitness.
Z's, obviously.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
Z's was actually before us.
Yeah.
Down in 2011, but...
Right.
RIP to him.
Actually, his anniversary was like a couple weeks ago when he passed away.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, man, like I was watching, you guys were like, those are the people I was watching, man.
And fitness YouTube was fucking huge back then.
It was like the main genre, man.
But like, when do you guys think fitness YouTube died?
Because I love asking fitness influencers this.
I think it's that whole algorithm like around 2016, YouTube wanted to go away from it because that used to be the shit on YouTube.
I think you can only talk about counting your macros and fucking, you know, lifting weights and shit so much, right?
Yeah.
It gets boring.
Yeah.
Same thing.
Super repetitive.
And like everyone else is doing it too.
So it's like what I've noticed now, like fitness YouTubers, like the ones that are still around, like they have to do vlogs.
Like you have to like vlog and do the fitness shit and kind of just like put it in.
Do pranks, videos, stuff off the cuff.
Yeah.
Oh, Bradley does that shit.
Yeah.
You can't last so long until you start to...
You're going to have to pivot if you start up in fitness.
Because a lot of people, when they start up in fitness, when they find you, they're like Googling, hey, how do I get a six pack?
And those people, more if not, after six months, they're not even working out anymore.
Yeah.
A lot of people give up.
Yeah.
That's the reason why we've been able to last on YouTube so long we've been able to pivot.
Yeah, yeah.
When I look at every fitness influencer that's still big on YouTube, you guys, Bradley Martin, all y'all pivoted.
Everyone that didn't pivot is either super low on views or not popping anymore or, you know.
So it's just a dead genre now.
Yeah, because fitness, people are really flaky.
Most people just go into fitness and not even doing fitness six months.
Yeah, it's a dead genre now.
I would say fitness and prank channels are dead genre now.
Yeah.
Okay, so you guys were doing that for a bit with the fitness stuff.
Then you guys had the Ask Hodge twins.
What made you guys transition over to the conservative twins?
I was a hardcore Democrat.
I voted for Obama, voted for Bill Clinton, even voted for Al Gore.
Damn, you were a hippie too.
Yeah, I was just naive.
You believe in climate change?
I believe in all that shit.
I voted for Al Gore because I thought the damn ocean was going to drown.
I thought it was going to be something from the biblical days.
I voted for Kerry because he said the other side was racist.
We've all done dumb shit, man.
It's like, bro, if you're colored in America, at some point, you're going to vote Democrat until you wake up.
It's like the default vote for you.
Right, right, yeah.
It's like a cultural thing.
It's a cultural thing, 100%.
And I remember, like, you know, if you ain't vote for, like, the Democrats, like, and people in the hood, because here's the thing about Black people, I've noticed.
Black people share who they're going to vote for.
You know what I mean?
They, they, who you vote for?
Oh, it better be Obama, right?
Like, white people, who you vote for?
That's private information.
You know what I mean?
But I was fucking my wife yesterday.
He'll go into that.
But, like, white people will not tell you who they're fucking voting for, bro.
So, like, with black people, it's, like, out there.
But, like, so it's, like, almost always Democrat.
Can they shame you if you don't?
But, like, when did you guys...
Number one, what made you guys get into politics?
And then what made you guys shift from the Democratic Party over to the GOP? The Trump phenomenon is what opened up my eyes.
So 2016, y'all became Republicans?
Yeah, I think I've always been.
The last time I voted was when Kerry ran.
And then after that, I wasn't interested in politics.
And I just started seeing both sides.
Yeah, I was so pissed when Bush won.
Yeah, because I thought he was racist.
And I actually voted for him.
What's the dude?
Nobody can stand as a Republican.
No, the guy, he's still in.
He's in Utah.
Yeah.
Oh, Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney.
I voted for him.
Yeah.
It's the first time I ever voted for a Republican.
In 2012, when he ran against Obama.
Yeah, he ran against Obama.
And you know what's crazy about Obama when I voted for him?
You know, being self-employed, I got a letter in the mail, and it was wondering that my insurance rates was going up.
He told me it because of Obamacare, and I lost a bunch of coverage, but my insurance premiums, I think, doubled.
And I lost coverage.
Yeah.
Then it really opened my eyes, just being an entrepreneur and having your own business.
I said, man, this has hurt my business, taking money off the table for my family, and I'm losing coverage for my family.
So I was like, wow, all because of Obamacare?
I thought that was supposed to help people.
But no, it hurt a lot of people.
Entrepreneurs, yeah.
I have an older brother.
He's a Republican.
He's always been a Republican.
Was he always an entrepreneur?
No, he's in the Army.
Military?
Retired Army.
And he started talking to us, and then I started to listen to both sides.
I always thought, even when I was a Democrat, when I used to hear Black people call Black conservatives Uncle Tom, I said, why don't you call him Uncle Tom?
I said, okay, I get it, but I was like, it's kind of stupid, right?
And...
To this day, they still call you.
Y'all remember that kid that went to Whataburger?
He's wearing his Trump hat.
He got attacked by the Mexican guy.
This is 2016, right?
He was in Whataburger.
We did a video on that.
I haven't really fully converted over.
I voted for Mitt Romney, but I didn't really consider myself to be a Republican.
Interestingly, what made you go with Mitt Romney?
Is it because your premiums doubled and stuff?
Yeah, he's bad for my business.
Why you didn't vote Obama?
Yeah, that's why I voted against it.
Yeah, because at this point, you guys are full into YouTube.
So you guys are, yeah, in 2008, you guys just kind of started, and then obviously by the end of his term, 2012, y'all are all the way in.
I didn't really understand the difference between Democrat and Republican.
And that's what woke you up.
Yeah, and then when we did that video on the kid who got attacked for wearing the MAGA hat, we was probably like moderates.
Yeah, at the time.
At the time.
Okay.
We was like, we grew up.
Libertarian, maybe?
Yeah.
Would y'all say y'all were libertarian?
Yeah, something like that.
Because I voted for both sides.
Yeah, so we do that video, like, stand for the kid.
I was like, regardless of who you vote for, you shouldn't be attacked for wearing a hat.
You shouldn't be attacked for wearing an Obama hat.
That's all we say in the video.
That's typically a moderate position, right?
That's what started getting me into politics.
I've seen Trump supporters get attacked and stuff.
Yeah.
You're actually some of the very first conservative accounts I started watching because I can't relate to guys like Ben Shapiro and stuff, but I see you guys.
You're funny, athletic.
All my friends were still hardcore Democratic, so I would actually send them your videos because they're relatable to them, especially out in San Francisco.
They're mostly minorities and stuff, too.
You guys were funny.
You actually woke a lot of people up.
My friend would start sending me videos back to you guys, so you actually reached a lot of people.
Yeah.
You know, I don't think people, and I really want to draw attention to this, I don't think people understand, like, in 2016, like, if you were an outward Trump supporter, like, you were going to be, you would get attacked on harassing people.
I remember this vividly in Boston, because I went back, I remember, because I graduated in 2013, but I went back and I wore, like, an America, Make America Great Again hat.
Mm-hmm.
Bro, people used to yell at me on the streets and say, fuck you, and all this other stuff.
And Boston, we know, is a pretty left-wing city.
But yeah, there's a good chance that people would harass and or attack you.
It was crazy, man.
And you know what's funny?
When we posted that video, we had fans that have been our fans for years.
And now they're attacking us.
Just for that video.
We put the video up on Instagram.
I think we lost like 10,000 followers.
I was going to say, did y'all lose...
A couple of hours.
Yeah.
And these are people that's been following me for a while.
Yeah.
And then that pushed me farther, right?
I was like...
So we started doing more and more conservative content.
I didn't think I was going to really...
I didn't even think it was conservative content.
It was just common sense.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
So I was like, wow, man, this...
I always say right wing is right because it's common sense.
It's based on common sense.
I've seen conservatives just for common sense.
And when we posted that video, I said, damn, people are turning on me just because I had a different opinion.
I said, man, Democrats sound like a damn cult.
And then we noticed how our fan base gets changed.
They're violent too, bro.
I've always said that the left is way more violent than the right.
Yeah, I saw the Trump supporters.
That's what started getting me into politics.
Even when they write it on January 6th, they didn't destroy things like they do with BLM and Antifa.
We had that one thing that occurred on January 6th, but I think that it was manipulated.
Yeah.
And it wasn't even as bad.
Look at what happened in Minnesota and Minneapolis.
They destroyed that city.
I think like 20 people died during the BLM riots.
No one talks about that.
They burned those cities down, bro.
But they say because of January 6th, we're a threat against democracy.
When they burn down cities, police stations, towns.
And they encouraged it.
They had bail funds for it.
Kamala Harris had a bail fund to get people out.
No Democrat went out on camera and said, stop.
Not one Democrat.
They were bailing people out of jail.
Yeah.
Kamala Harris, she had a bill fund.
Now she might be a president.
It's crazy.
It was like really risky when we did that.
I thought I was committing suicide.
But they kind of pissed us off.
And then we was doing comedy shows at the time.
And I noticed our comedy shows...
This is what year now at this point?
2016, 2015?
Our comedy shows took a hit.
People wasn't showing up.
But the people were showing up.
It was coming in MAGA hats.
And we kept doing the videos.
And then that became a big part of who we are.
The conservatives support the hell out of us.
Yeah, like COVID. When we was out on COVID, man.
We have to be tight because we're the silent majority a lot of the times.
We exist, but we can't be outward about it.
And then if you're black, bro, even more like...
Do you know what's crazy?
When our politics channel took off, we would go to our shows.
I'm like, man...
The crowd totally changed.
We went to Nashville.
It's crazy.
Politics.
I said, man, I think these people at the wrong show.
Yeah.
And when I was looking at the one day, I said, oh my God, my fan base just changed overnight.
And when I went out, when we went to the stage, they gave us a standing ovation for like five minutes.
And then after the show, they gave us another standing ovation.
And then on top of that, they bought, we didn't have no merchandise.
Wow.
The love I got from white conservatives is no love I've ever felt.
Yeah.
That must have felt good.
I gotta ask you that.
Yeah, I mean, and I love this, that we're on this topic.
So, obviously you guys were comedians through two different eras, right?
Yeah.
When you guys were doing the finished stuff and doing the comedy, what was the makeup of your audience, roughly, percentage-wise?
Young kids.
20, 21, 22.
Okay.
What's the racial breakdown?
It's like a good mix of what the country is.
I would say I never really had a powerful black audience because I really don't resonate with black people to begin with.
But I would say our audience was probably about 25-30% black.
Okay.
Then I go to the conservative route.
What does it go shoot up to?
It's all white and there's two black guys in the audience, but they were white women.
Let's go.
And vice versa, the black women are white men.
Yeah.
Nice.
It's like...
You know what's very...
So we're talking 80-20?
I don't know.
It's more like 95% white.
And then the 5% are just random minorities.
Asians, Indians, black...
In California, it's more Latino.
Yeah, I know a bunch of Latinos.
Latino, Latino.
But I guess it's not the norm.
Right.
Our black fan base is...
Yeah.
Bro, they can't, like, it's crazy how they don't rock.
Man, if you're a black conservative, like, it's really, like, you're lonely out here.
When I was at the RNC. I barely saw niggas, bro.
Yeah, I know.
Barely.
You know what's crazy about conservatives?
Like, black conservatives will criticize the hell out of black liberals, right?
Yeah.
But you will never see...
You will see white people criticize other white people.
But the one thing that sticks out to me, if you're Jewish...
Here we go.
If you're a Jewish conservative, you would not ever, ever criticize Israel or another Jewish person.
No.
You would never cross that line.
No, no, no.
Never.
But white and black, we criticize each other, but...
When they stick together.
Mm-hmm.
You know what I mean?
We don't have that in the black community.
We're extremely divisive.
Yeah.
I got blacks telling me you ain't black.
They'll probably tell you guys you're not black.
They gonna say Kamala's black.
Yeah.
When you Sudanese.
Yeah.
I'm black in her.
Yeah.
I'm like, literally Sudan is like- You from the motherland.
Yeah, bro.
It means the land of the blacks.
Yeah.
That's what it literally means.
So, but whatever, you know.
Talk normal and dress nice.
I've grown up people telling me I'm not black.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm sure.
Like, yeah, yeah.
Y'all probably get like a- Yeah.
Yeah.
All the time.
They used to call us Prince.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's called us Prince.
My mama would put like a...
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
What's that stuff mama used to put in our hair?
I got pretty good...
No, we have pretty good hair, but mama puts a perm in our hair, and then that shit slicked back.
I look like a Mexican.
Y'all get out the chair, get up, and there's like grease in the back of the chair and shit.
You know what mama used to do to us?
When Michael Jackson was the shit...
Who was black and who was white?
Your mom or your dad?
Both our parents is black.
We just got white people from both sides.
And like my great-great-grandfather on my dad's side was white.
He's from Ireland.
Okay, so you're mostly all black.
You're not half-half.
Wait, so are both your parents...
About 54.
Are both y'all parents light-skinned too?
Yeah, my dad's really light.
Yeah.
And my mom is like your complexion.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
So, you guys got it from your father's side, like the colored eye shit.
I remember my mama used to send us to school when Michael Jackson was high.
She used to send us to school on Pitch a Day with Edges.
Yo, that's crazy.
That's why, to this day, I cannot stand to see Edges on a woman.
I think Michael Jackson started that.
I do not like Edges.
I think it's the most unattractive thing.
Probably because mama put edges on me.
I got a damn baby picture.
I got edges.
So now that you guys have like kind of pivoted into the political space, obviously it's an election year, right?
This is a very, you know, which is huge, right?
What other conservative critters do you guys like to watch?
Do you guys not even watch anybody else?
I'll tune out the politics.
I went full conservative.
I was watching a lot of Larry Elder.
Okay.
Candace Owens.
Yep.
Diamond and Silk.
I like Larry Elder a lot.
He debunks a lot of the police brutality and systemic racism bullshit.
Right.
I like him a lot.
He's one of the first conservatives that came because I was watching Ben Shapiro.
Right?
He had been on Piers Morgan.
And I was following Ben Shapiro, but I came across a video where he said he was influenced by Larry Elder.
I said, who the hell is Larry Elder?
And I started watching a bunch of Larry Elder.
Yeah, he's good.
And I said, wow, that's a black conservative.
I came across Tatum, too.
So I was watching them just so I wouldn't feel like I'm crazy as a black person.
They validated my views, you know?
And I don't think the audience understands this.
If you speak proper English, if you...
Vote any way right or whatever.
Like, they literally call you, like, all types of names to, like, shit on you.
Like, bro, like, you literally get ostracized by your people.
Like, that's why when I was at the RNC, everybody that I ran into that was black, like, it's like, we immediately like, oh, what up, blah, blah, blah, yo, Myron Freshman.
Like, it's like, because we just get it.
Look at the Negroes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's what it's like.
Bro, because I'll tell y'all, man, like, there was no, I'm surprised you guys didn't go.
Like, I'm probably too edgy for them.
Nah, man.
We're pushing some boundaries right now.
Nah, man.
Y'all could have 100% been there.
They'll still love you, but you're definitely pushing some boundaries.
I think they was going to fight us, but they didn't get back to us.
Yeah.
It was hard to get the fucking shit.
I think I know exactly why they didn't invite you.
I'm sure you do, too.
Yeah, I do, too.
But that's stupid.
That's the one thing that pissed me off.
Actually, I got to ask y'all this, because they let Amber Rose dumbass go in there.
Yeah.
And she did a speech and everything.
It's all about numbers.
She's got a lot of numbers.
I think she's got 23 million.
I don't think so, and I'll tell y'all why.
I think y'all are more influential, and I'll tell you guys why.
So, her fit, well, number one, she's not relevant, right?
She hasn't been popping since, like, 2015.
She did the slut walk, right?
She has a lot of followers on Instagram, but we all know Instagram's cap, right?
And she does OnlyFans, right?
So the people that support her are horny dudes, right?
Who probably are already Republican anyway a lot of the times.
So it's like, is she really...
Because they brought her in to target black females and women in general, right?
Is she really going to bring you black females and the black vote?
She's not.
She's not going to bring it.
So Who are our fan base?
Dudes.
Well, a lot of them are probably going to vote Republican anyway, so why the fuck are you bringing her here?
So, to me, I looked at it like, if y'all are going to go ahead and make a play like that and bring someone in that's totally not conservative and totally grifting, wearing a MAGA hat with legs wide open and shit, like, make it worth it.
Like, Bring a sexy red or something like that if you really want to bring that in.
Yeah, if you really want that black.
If you really want, like, bring a Nicki Minaj, right?
Like, if y'all really, because that's what...
But what they gonna be doing, twerking?
Yeah, that's what they do with Kamala shit.
But that was like, and that's the thing with, and that's the one thing about Republicans, and I want to get your guys' take on this.
Yeah.
I think Republicans are way out of touch.
They don't understand pop culture.
They're 20 years...
Bro, these niggas had Kid Rock there.
Come on, man.
The Republicans are horrible politicians.
They're behind.
They brought Hulk Hogan.
Come on, dude.
It's not 1981 anymore.
You guys got to bring in people that are fucking relevant.
Hulk Hogan is already voting for Republicans.
That's what I'm saying.
And the people that are watching Amber Rose and whacking off to her are probably either not going to vote or they're going to vote Republican anyway.
Because they're not bringing in the target audience that they want, which is what?
Black women and women in general.
Women don't watch porn.
They need women.
That's why I was kind of upset when they chose Vance.
I thought Tulsi Gabbard would have been perfect for that.
Yep, Tulsi would be way better.
What do y'all not like about Vance?
He's white.
And I love him.
I think he's a great pick.
You mean from a political standpoint?
From a strategy standpoint?
He's a great...
He's perfect for the job.
But if we're going to make any progress in this country, we've got to start recruiting blacks and more females.
You're not going to do that by putting two white men.
What do you think about Carson then?
Ben Carson's been great.
Someone other than a white man, if y'all want to help save the country, y'all can't do it by yourself.
It's just white men.
You're going to have to use people of color, women, gays.
That's how you're going to make a difference.
She's both.
And she's mixed.
Yeah.
And she left the Democrat party.
She'd have been perfect.
This is the thing.
But Vick would have been great, too.
Yeah, it was good.
Yeah.
It's just actually, he's too dark.
Yeah, like, yeah, Jamie Vance, you know, yeah, I see what you mean.
He's too dark.
If he was white, blue eyes, you see his poll numbers?
I told him that on the podcast, I said, dude, if you had a blonde ponytail and they had 1776 on your face, you had blue eyes, you would be Trump's vice president.
I told him straight to his face.
I think with Vivek, it's a double-edged sword because he gives very Obama vibes.
And it's like what I've noticed with Obama is you either love him or you absolutely hate him.
And I call him old drama Obama because people don't know that this dude killed more people with airstrikes and drones than anyone else.
Right, right, right.
Like fucking destabilized Syria, fucking destroyed Libya for no reason.
Right.
Like just a bunch of stupid shit.
Gaddafi wasn't a fucking bad guy.
He got the Nobel Peace Prize.
He did.
And he killed a lot of people, bro.
Global peace fighters for bombing kids.
You know?
But he was just such a good speaker that people didn't really, like, look past and look at the...
And the media covered it.
They did.
They really...
Yeah.
You know, and they're very pompous.
I watched them at the DNC, like, him and his wife talk, and they're just very...
You know, everything is like...
They got a fucking, like, oh, yeah, we're rich and we're black and we're successful and we went to Harvard and stuff.
Very pompous, right?
They try to be humble, but they're not.
So that's kind of like...
I think Vivek gives kind of like that vibe.
And then people would attack him.
Being from a pharmaceutical company.
Yeah, and then that's going to hurt him too, being from a pharmaceutical company.
He says the right things.
I don't know if I trust him.
There you go.
That's what it is.
He says a lot of stuff I love.
I don't know if it's genuine or not.
He's too good.
The stuff he says is awesome.
I think if there's no Obama, I think he does a little bit better.
There's no history of Obama.
Honestly, I think he'd be better off just becoming a liberal.
Because that's all Republicans are.
All we are is pro-life liberals.
That's really when it boils down to it, because the left has pulled the Republicans so far to the center.
You think so?
I mean, about gun laws, that's one thing that they're not going to yield on.
The left is going to be, they're always going to be crying about guns.
There's just certain issues they're always going to bitch about that we won't accept.
That's what liberal means.
Freedom of speech, Second Amendment.
Yeah, he's talking about the old Joe Biden from the 80s.
Yeah.
Like, these people today, these people today, they're not liberals, they're progressives.
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.
Far left.
They keep calling them liberals.
They are not liberals.
Yeah, they're far left.
They have censorship.
They hate guns.
And they love money from big corporations.
Look at all these old videos of Biden.
He was against gay marriage.
Mm-hmm.
He was tough on the border.
He was tough on the border.
He was tough.
He didn't like abortion.
Remember that?
He's just like a modern-day conservative voter.
He was Trump back in the day.
The modern-day Trump today.
Yeah, Trump is actually pretty center-right.
I would say he's center-right.
Yeah, he's a pro-life liberal.
He's actually closer to fucking...
He's actually closer to libertarian than...
Yeah.
I would say.
But, you know, it's just...
When I think of a conservative, I think of evangelicals, people that...
Oh, yeah.
Pro-life.
That's what a conservative is.
But our Republican Party, we are modern-day, old-school liberals.
You know, it's...
It's interesting that you guys brought up the whole...
Because, like, that was a very controversial pick, J.D. Vance.
Like, a lot of people, like, the MAGA supporters didn't like it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I think he tried Trump in the beginning.
Yeah, he was a never-Trumper.
Like, selected a woman.
I thought it'd been great.
Okay, so this is a good question.
So, like, personally...
I don't think women should be in offices of high power.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
But I understand that it's 2024.
And the vice-presidential, you know, let's be honest here.
The vice-president position is a ceremonial position.
Right.
And a lot of the times, it's a political position to gather votes.
It's typically, they have a strong point that the president has a weak point on.
I think it would have been a good move to bring her on from a strictly strategic point.
If we're not talking policy, we're just talking strategy.
Yeah, because the problem with Trump is that he alienates women.
And that's actually, that is what's keeping Kamala up, is the undecided female voters.
Two-thirds of them now are going to go Kamala Harris.
And you never hear a Republican, Trump, or anybody else come out and And say, I'm not going to ban abortion.
They won't say it, because I think that's what they're trying to do.
That's why they overturned Roe v.
Wade.
They're going to regulate it.
They're going to ban it.
Some states are going to regulate it.
Yeah, they only go fully ban it, though.
Let's make it more regulated.
If they do that, then it'd be one huge...
I think Trump's policy on it is fantastic.
Delegated to the Supreme Court, then the Supreme Court threw it to the states.
But the problem with that is that that creates the illusion that he actually banned it.
Because, dude, first day of the DNC, All they're talking about is abortion and how Trump got rid of abortion.
I'm like, no, he didn't.
Stop lying, you guys.
Trump can fix that so fast.
He could have had a woman as his VP and a VP woman come out and say, this is our position on this.
We're never going to abandon abortion.
We're not going to abandon abortion.
We're just going to regulate it.
You've got a certain amount of time.
So I'm asking a question.
Why doesn't he come out and say that?
I'm gonna ask that question.
They won't say it.
Because the GOP, they would not.
I think to him, he looks at it like...
Abortion is really a lose-lose situation if you're a Republican, bro.
It's a lose-lose.
I think he's got horrible people around him.
But you're never gonna win that battle.
Chris Lasavita and the other girl are trash.
Yeah.
They're garbage.
And the thing is that, like...
Okay.
They don't fucking get it.
Like, they use these old Republican tactics of, like, we're gonna campaign on this and stick to policy and be boring and all this other bullshit.
And then, like, when they book talent, like, it's people that are old, man.
Like, if you guys want to bring in these young, fresh voters, etc., you have to be relevant.
They're not doing that, yeah.
They're not.
They're nothing to reach out to the young.
They're not.
If we lose this country, Marxism and communism is all the Republicans' fault because they're trying to stand on that one principle, pro-life, and you're going to lose our country.
No, it's not a winning...
You're not going to win that fight.
Because the biggest electorate in the country is women.
Women vote in all the Democrats.
Women is the biggest issue, and then it's black people.
Yeah, single women are almost all Democrats.
Yeah, every time.
Yeah, every time women vote Republican as they're married, typically.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's how we lose.
All our legs and Republicans are like insane.
They're doing the same thing over and over and over.
That's the definition of insanity.
If you want to help save the country, you got to start talking to these people.
You know what sucks?
Like, because here's the thing with the GOP is like, it's kind of what's kept them successful is not bending, right?
Right.
But at the same time.
It's about to break.
Yeah, but at the same time, in a modern day world, That's also hurting them, too.
Because one of the big criticisms of the left is they've continuously shifted and shifted and become more and more radically left.
And they're still competitive in the elections.
They always win the popular vote.
And they're crazy.
People forget that Hillary won the popular vote.
Yeah.
And they're nuts.
It's because they don't campaign on principle.
They campaign emotion.
Yes.
Republicans need to do that.
That's why I think a woman VP would have been best.
You gotta play the game.
Let me tell you this.
DNC, right?
First day.
Right?
Which I think was their strongest day.
They brought three women up to talk and they went hard on abortion.
And every single one of them gave an abortion story.
What was the story they gave?
Oh, I was going to die.
I was going to miscarriage.
I was sexually assaulted.
Hitting those hard points where you're like, damn, even as a Republican, you do deserve an abortion.
But we all know, like anyone that's halfway intelligent knows, these instances are 2-3% of abortions.
When you rape or incest, when you report it at the hospital, they give you the day after pill.
Yeah.
So it's not even an issue, really.
Yeah, it's not.
It's more of a fake debate.
But most Americans don't know how rare it is to have these situations happen where you justify the abortion.
You can manipulate women very easily, especially Blacks.
So Republicans do the same thing.
Instead, they just bitch about it, but instead they should copy it and manipulate them back.
That's what I've been saying for a while.
When a person's killed in this country by an immigrant, it's always a white girl.
They never show the Blacks that's being killed.
Because their voting base is not going to...
The Democrats, the one thing I'll give is they're just cooler.
They're more hip.
They're more in tune with the trends.
Kamala's first rally, she brings Quavo and Megan Thee Stallion, two relevant rappers immediately.
They're playing to her strengths.
She's not doing interviews or anything else like that or getting asked hard questions.
She's not going to adversarial news stations like J.D. Vance did.
She's not talking policy.
You think they're going to debate?
They're going to debate?
Yeah, they are.
It's set, but it's going to be on ABC. Yeah.
I don't like it when the...
It's not going to be fair.
The last debate, the moderator wasn't covering for Joe Biden, you know?
Yeah, that was good.
The prior debate, when Trump lost the election, when he debated him, I thought they protected Joe Biden.
No, Trump was debating the moderator and Biden.
Yeah, I just...
And he took a lot of cheap shots, too, in interrupting.
And if Trump would just keep his cool and don't get so...
Defensive.
This next debate, because they're going to attack him for those bogus felonies he's got.
They're going to call him a racist.
They did on the last one.
Even Joe Biden, he got the ethics of an alley cat.
Remember that shit.
I heard that he's got...
Y'all remember that?
I lost my shit.
I was like, what the hell kind of joke is this?
Ethics of an alley cat.
I heard Tulsi Gabbard is actually helping him with his debate because she destroyed her.
Oh, Kamala?
Yeah, that's what ruined her run.
Which is why she is not his VP. I would love to hear as VP, but...
Well, instead of Nikki Haley, he could bring her and put her...
Anybody but Nikki Haley.
Yeah, I don't...
That's another thing a lot of the MAGA people are angry about, is why the fuck are you going to give Nikki Haley a job?
She's sold you out so many different times.
Exactly.
And I think, like, for the hardcore Trumpers, they saw what Pence did, and they're like, are you stupid?
Why do you got these people around you?
Lissa Vita, who didn't believe that the election was rigged.
J.D. Vance was another Trumper.
Nikki Haley, who's fucking badmouthed you and talked shit about you all day, and she's a warmonger.
Right.
Like, you know...
Yeah, they don't like him.
It's fake.
They're pretending they like him because he's winning.
Yeah.
Like, Vance does not like him.
You don't go from never Trump or calling him a Nazi or this and that to like, oh, I love Trump.
It's so fake.
Well, Vance is an opportunist.
Yeah.
Is what I think.
Opportunist.
He's 100% an opportunist.
I wonder if those two actually like each other.
Yeah.
I don't think Vance likes Trump.
Yeah, I don't know.
I doubt all of a sudden he started liking him.
How do you go from calling Trump Hitler to being his VP? Yeah.
I don't think Trump...
I don't think anybody picks their VP. I think the party picks the VP. Yeah.
The donors pick the VP. I don't think it's...
He's very pro-Israel.
Trump just took a lot of...
Because it's their ceremonial position.
It's not real.
Like, to be honest with y'all.
Yeah.
It's really not a real position.
It's like...
If the president's competent, all the vice president really does is he deals with bullshit that the president wants to deal with.
I remember when Obama was in, Biden was just pretty much a pseudo-secretary of state who was traveling around, going to Ukraine, doing his deals.
I just hope Trump wins this election and J.D. Vance is going to be assuring for the Republican nominee.
I just hope he chooses somebody else other than a black person.
I mean, other than a white person.
I'm not saying give the I see it because you're speaking from a strategic position, which, you know, this is what the Democrats have done forever.
Like the Democrats are super heavy in race politics.
And that's why they're able to They're able to dupe everybody.
They're able to dupe the Muslim community to voting for them.
And if you look at the Islamic faith, it's super conservative.
Super conservative.
But it's the Muslim women that's been empowered that's voting Democrat.
They want handouts, if I'm going to be honest.
And I say this is a guy that's like fucking Muslim myself.
Especially when they're immigrants that are first coming in.
They come in like, oh, tolerance, yeah.
Oh, yeah, we're not going to be harassed.
We get money, blah, blah, blah.
And then as they get, like, then they figure this shit out.
Like in Dearborn, they're damn near going Republican now.
Right, right.
Because they try to bring in this whole, you know, alphabet agenda.
What the fuck is this?
I never understood why I'm Muslim.
But vote for it.
There's no reason.
No, it doesn't make any sense.
If you're a Muslim, you should be voting right.
I don't understand why Christian people are voting for it.
The Muslims might be part of it at the war, the Iraq war and stuff, because the British was so anti-Muslim, so that was probably part of it.
But lots of Muslims are starting to switch over.
Right, that's cool.
Because, yeah, I mean, if you want to talk about Middle Eastern foreign policy, Democrats clearly can't control Nanyahu.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, but Trump said he's gonna let him do what he wants.
That's the one thing I really don't like about Trump.
What I think he's gonna do is this.
He's gonna give them what they need.
He's gonna tell them, you have three months.
And you're not going to start a war with Iran or Lebanon or any of that stuff.
Because a war would be really bad for Trump.
It would be really bad.
How do you say his name?
Netanyahu?
Netanyahu, yeah.
I can't say it because I heard what Kanye said.
Netanyahu.
You came with the Yahoo milk?
Netanyahu?
You came with the Yahoo milk and a net when he went to Alex Jones.
I was confused the first 10 minutes.
I was like, what is Kanye doing?
What's he talking about?
Then I go, oh, Netanyahu.
I was like, man, this is crazy.
But I want to say this about Israel.
Why don't they just draw a line, y'all split it equally 50-50, and when we send money to Israel, half of it goes to Palestine, and y'all become a two-party state.
That's the only way it's going to work.
I think the only way you would get peace there...
Well, number one, you got to get an Anyahu out because he doesn't want actual peace.
Then another thing is, like, two-state solution, and then make it where...
We give both of them aid.
Yeah.
And them getting aid is contingent upon them being peaceful.
Right.
And on top of that, like, so they get no money.
And then on top of that, you should make it where, like, one person supplies food, another one supplies water.
If y'all go to war, you guys effectively kill each other.
Right.
Yeah, right now the aid goes to Israel and they give it to them.
And that's the problem.
That's the problem.
There's zero incentive for them to make peace because they control everything.
Right.
Their military runs everything.
They're bringing the food in, et cetera, so they can do what they want.
They don't want to give any back.
Right.
So it's...
Yeah, if we really want to take over I would say, you disband the IDF, put American soldiers there, if you really want the peace there, and make it where it's like, we run both y'all, and you guys have your independent state, but we run you guys, and that's how we really end the situation.
Or is all I gotta do is say, no more military aid to Israel.
Let them figure it out themselves.
But then they would be gone.
Let them kill each other.
Yeah, then it would be gone.
So I think that's like, well, actually, no, I don't want my soldiers over there.
You'd have to figure something out where they...
You'd have to, because if you're, because IDF is there, so now you have to arm Palestine.
And then obviously with them both having equal arms, there's always the war.
But then the checks and balances would be, they would need each other to survive.
So if they went ahead and had a war, well, now they both don't get aid and now they're both going to starve.
Right.
Because that's the first thing the Jewish people are going to say.
Hey, they're going to attack us with your weapons.
Well, you're attacking them with your weapons.
So always play them out to be like the evil...
You need mutually assured destruction, really.
It'd be damn near from a nuclear perspective.
If y'all go to war, not only are you guys going to kill each other, but now you guys can't eat either or drink water or anything.
So they would have to make peace.
And I think a big part, you've got to get Netanyahu out.
You have a fresh face in there and then get someone a fresh face for the Palestinians.
Not Yasser Arafat.
These guys have ingrained hatred for decades.
You need to bring new faces in there.
It won't happen, though, unless we threaten to cut off our hate.
Yeah, we have to be serious.
I don't think anyone will do that.
Be like, I'm about to cut your hate off unless you do this.
Yeah, because of the Jewish lobby.
Yep, yep.
APAC. Good old APAC. For all the politicians.
It's a never-ending war.
That is crazy.
They welcome the Jewish people in after...
World War II. They accepted them as refugees.
Those refugees took over that country.
That is crazy.
People are getting kicked out of their house.
People are letting in their house.
It's pretty brutal if you actually look at the history of it.
Not the fake history they tell us.
Look up the knock button shit and you're like, oh, what the hell?
Because everyone thinks everything started October 7th, but it's like, dude.
I used to be scared of Muslims.
I used to be scared of Muslims.
I hate America.
All that shit that happened to us because we were doing that shit to them.
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
I mean, Osama, like, he wrote a letter, Letter to America.
It, like, went trending on TikTok in November of last year.
And it took, like, 20 years for people to, like, and then all these, like, Gen Zers are like, wait, hold on!
Right.
Like, they had no clue about this letter.
Like, everything I've been told is a lie.
I thought this dude hated us because we're free.
Right.
Nah, like, we paid Bin Laden.
Yeah.
Y'all remember that one guy, Timothy McVeigh?
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah, he came back.
Oklahoma City bomber.
Yeah, the dude that bombed Oklahoma City, he saw some messed up stuff over there, what he was doing today.
Killing children, women, and it messed them up.
That's why he did that terrorist attack.
Was he in Desert Storm?
Yeah, PTSD or something like that.
Yeah, but he saw some stuff that actually made him flip on America.
Yeah.
Yeah, white dude from, yeah, like he just fucking blew up a federal building in Oklahoma.
Yeah.
Remember that shit, 95?
All because of what he was doing to the other people.
Yeah.
I've said it.
Almost every terrorist attack in the United States, it's always typically retaliation for Israel.
That's just a fact.
It is what it is.
You look at their manifestos.
It's every single one.
You can't really call it a terrorist attack if we're killing you.
They just retaliate.
We do the exact same thing when they hurt us.
Yeah.
And you got to also like people forget like that.
Like we funded Bin Laden.
We created Al-Qaeda.
And ISIS. Yeah.
We created all the weapons we left in Afghanistan.
Yeah.
They just did a parade with all our equipment.
How much billions of dollars of equipment did we lose?
I don't know.
A lot of billions.
It was in a billion.
Classified shit.
Yeah.
They just left the shit there.
Biden, man, he just said, fuck it.
Taliban came back in because they were drawing George Floyd murals in there.
I saw that and I'm like, oh, that's why they want the, they had big George Floyd murals the military was painting there.
They don't have black people in Afghanistan.
They're looking at this being like, get these people out of here.
That is nuts.
And then Russia, Ukraine, that's another issue.
We keep dumping money over.
What are your thoughts on that?
On Russia, Ukraine?
Yeah.
He's just defending his borders.
That's all he's doing.
That's all Russia's doing, but it's a...
They're going to call you pulling apologies now, bro.
No, we do the same shit.
Well, Putin said this for decades.
Look, Ukraine, I don't want Ukraine entering into NATO. I want to protect my borders.
I want a buffer zone.
Yeah.
Now there's all this talk of Ukraine going into NATO, and that's why he invaded.
And we've already given him billions of dollars.
Yeah.
You invade with the United States.
You're a threat to me.
That's why he invaded.
He made that message known to the United States for decades.
Did you guys see his interview with Tucker?
Yeah, I saw Porto.
That was a good interview.
People gave Tucker a hard time.
I think he did a fantastic job.
I think he did a great job.
They were like, oh, you let him drone on about Russian history.
Well, that's kind of relevant and important because it goes into Putin's mindset as to why he views the world the way that he does.
Okay.
So obviously that's like super important because Ukraine used to be Russia.
Like they're all Russians, bro.
They're like little brother.
It's like a big brother.
I got a colleague, man.
Everybody in Ukraine speaks Russian.
People in Ukraine go to Russia and work and vice versa.
They are practically Russia.
Well, the border challenge where the fighting is over where he's taking back, they consider themselves Russians.
I think a lot of Americans, they think he's like trying to take over.
Right.
And a lot of people...
And a lot of people in Ukraine, the guy I spoke to, like, it's like 60-40 people for Russia.
They take Stanislavski.
Yeah, they're running out of people to even die in their army.
Yeah.
And Trump kept the war from going.
Like, I mean, even starting, because I think, like, there was a mutual respect between him and Putin.
Right.
And the thing about Trump, I think the reason why he was able to keep it, which we, real quick, something with Trump.
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So we got to go ahead and get Trump in office.
You guys already know.
Yeah.
So, sorry.
So, what I was going to say was, back to the show.
Back to the show.
What was I going to say?
Oh, yeah.
Trump was never a fan of NATO, and I think that kind of kept Putin feeling safe, because he was like, alright, this is our enemy.
I think NATO's a whole fucking scam to keep the military-industrial complex going.
What's the purpose of NATO? Keep money going, flowing through other companies.
But Trump doesn't talk about that anymore.
He stopped talking about getting out of NATO. He's not pushing the same campaign he was.
He's still the best option, don't get me wrong, but I wish he was pushing.
He doesn't talk about NATO anymore.
He doesn't talk about building the wall.
It's not quite that same fire.
NATO was formed because of what Germany and Russia did back in the day.
You don't need that.
That's why an election is so important.
It's about relationships.
Two men, women sitting down talking things out.
We just need an enemy.
That's the problem because I don't know why we're not tighter with Russia.
Yeah.
And then China, we do so much trade with them.
It's like, why are these guys our adversaries?
They want Russia to be enemies.
That's what they want us to think.
They're enemies.
They're not.
Well, Trump was trying to be closer to Putin.
That's why they faked that whole Russian thing.
That was completely fake, that whole Russiagate, that whole thing.
Oh, yeah.
And that way it made it so Trump couldn't come close to Putin because whenever he talked to Putin, they'd be like, see, he's Putin's puppet and all this.
So it worked brilliantly.
So they weren't able to become allies because of that.
And then they said that the Hunter laptop is Russian disinformation.
51?
Those guys should have gone to jail.
Yeah, I was like, I find it hard to believe why anybody would vote for a Democrat.
This is all in plain sight.
They're just smoking mirrors, man.
They're just so good at, like, marketing and advertising and like y'all said, like, they're okay with saying wild shit and promising the world and not delivering because, like, that's just what they do.
You know, versus, like, as a Republican GOP, like, we're common sense and we understand, well, that doesn't make sense, like, whatever.
But with them, they can say all this radical shit and people are like, yeah, $25,000 for you to go ahead and buy a house and we're going to give you this, credits.
People want to hear what makes them feel good.
People don't want to hear the truth.
Like, you have a That was so true when you guys said that.
Yeah, like you have a friend and you think his wife's cheating on us, man.
I think your wife's cheating on him.
Don't you say that.
She's not cheating on me.
What the hell are you talking about?
You got a picture of her sucking some dude's dick and he's like, that's not her.
I wouldn't tell you that if it wasn't.
I didn't think it was true.
Dude, this is your wife.
She's got balls hanging out her mouth.
That's her.
That's not her, man.
I'm telling you.
I know my wife's mouth.
They don't hear the truth.
Are your guys' families right-leaning as well now?
Or are they still Democrats?
I'm not sure about my sister.
Yeah, I think my sister, she's damn.
Her husband's damn.
Me, Keith, Republican.
My family, my media family, my wife, my son.
Like the males in my family, they're Republicans.
On my dad's side?
Yeah.
Like on my brother's side, he's a media fan.
Republican.
What would you guys say was the biggest thing that made y'all say, no, we're going right now.
We're tired of this shit.
It's just, I just listen to both sides and like, it's nothing, being a Democrat has nothing to offer anybody that's black.
I mean, just look at our history.
If anything, a black person would be a far right conservative.
You should want your own land, your own business.
You don't even want to deal with the government.
But for some odd reason, they keep running for big government over and over and over.
It's like they don't get it.
It's like it's a capacity thing.
The turning point for me...
They ain't going to give you reparations, buddy.
You know what I mean?
That's what they're hoping for.
What are y'all thoughts on reparations, bro?
Because I get a lot of hot water over this.
I wish they would give it to them just so they'll shut up.
She'll be gone so quick.
Yeah.
And it's not going to change their life.
Because you look at everybody that wins the lottery...
I think it's like 98% of the people who hit the lottery did broke in like four years.
My question is this, because a lot of them are like, oh, I'm a descendant of a slave.
Like, how are you going to identify that and tie back the lineage and prove it?
And then how much would you give them?
Yeah.
What about their kids when the parents spend all the money?
The problem's not solved.
These pro-reparation people.
I asked a friend, how much do you want?
Just to make everybody on the same playing field, right?
Yeah.
He said, how much you want?
He said, I don't know.
I said, were you asking for reparations?
Tell me, give me a number.
He said, five million.
I said, bitch, you'll be a king.
How's that putting you on the level one?
You're going to be in the top 1% if they pay you five.
You want to be a king.
Yeah.
I was looking at him and I said, you was one dumb Negro.
And you know what's crazy about that whole talk about reparations?
It was so disingenuous.
It was never, they were never going to give black people reparations.
It's just a gimmick to keep them voting.
Keep them voting.
For Democrats.
Because that would bankrupt the country.
In San Francisco, they were acting like they were going to do it.
They passed some resolution like they were going to do it, but obviously they weren't.
The money was way too much.
They were saying they were going to give it.
It's obviously just talk for votes.
Yeah, it's just votes.
Question for you guys.
What do you guys think is the biggest blind spot for black people that vote?
What is the issue that you think that they're missing, that they keep fucking up and they're not realizing it's actually...
I think because of the trauma of being black in the history of this country, it keeps them from seeing the truth.
There's a bias that prevents them from seeing the truth.
Like for my mom, she was a Democrat, and she's been through so much trauma.
And then Democrats exploit that trauma in their messaging.
Like when Joe Biden went to that church and said, if you don't vote for Hillary, Trump gets back in office.
What did he say?
He said, we'll put y'all back in chains.
And the black church clapped!
So it's like that past trauma for all blacks in this country, they export that.
And because of that trauma, because of that bias, they can't see the proof.
Everybody has biases, and that's the one bias that's keeping black people from being successful, better off.
So you think the Democratic Party kind of hones in on that victim mindset?
Yeah, I think, man, when you as a slave, you can see the chains.
You want to take them off.
You can see them.
You know you're a slave.
But modern society, black people don't know they're a slave because they can't see the chains.
They're mentally enslaved.
They don't even know the chains.
Yeah, mentally, I think mental slave is so much more difficult on the black community because they don't know they're a slave.
You know, they don't see the change.
They're saying the Democrat is their savior and they haven't provided anything to them.
I'm trying to blame racism instead of the real problem.
They just tell me it's because people are racist while you're not successful.
That's not going to fix anything.
Yeah, when I was broke, the problem was me.
Wasn't no imaginary white man keeping me down.
Yeah, it was about my horrible choice.
My credit was screwed up or it was because of me.
When you guys were younger, like, did you guys feel that frustration?
Like, man, the man's holding me down.
It ruined, like, the first 25 years of my life.
Okay, so y'all, like, bought into that too, right?
I remember being young, like, having a chip on my...
I remember that too.
Reading the Malcolm X books.
Yeah, I was programmed.
Everybody's out to get me, and I believed it.
You weren't successful until you got rid of that.
Yep.
That's when I became successful, when I worked on myself.
You know what woke me up?
And I want to ask you guys this too.
So what woke me up was when I went to college and like all my classmates were white.
And they like, number one, they accepted me.
And then number two, they were intrigued by like my experiences and everything else like that.
But then like realizing that like they looked at money differently, right?
So I was like a Jordan collector back then.
Yeah.
Spending hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on these fucking sneakers.
Right.
And, you know, in nice fashion.
Yeah, same way.
I was buying True Religion jeans, Nike foam posits, Jordans, all this stupid shit.
Spending hundreds of dollars on this shit going broke to look fresh.
And then I know some of you guys are like, what the fuck?
Really?
My iron used to be dripped out?
I did.
But then I was like, then I see them and they're like, I'll never forget this shit.
They're like, dude, why do you spend so much money on clothes?
Just get some fucking Sperry's and some Nantucka shorts and you're fine.
And I'm like, damn, these white boys at Northeastern in Boston.
And then I'm looking at their parents are doctors, lawyers, successful, make a bunch of fucking money.
And I'm like, you don't need this shit to get bitches.
You know, my wife hates that about me.
I never go shopping.
My wardrobe is crazy.
All free clothes.
I dress like a bum too.
Now I do.
Now I'm a hardcore minimalist.
That was my wake up moment for me.
What was it for you guys?
I was...
There's so many things.
Yeah.
I just...
You know what?
Let me say this.
Okay, go ahead.
Let me say this.
It was like a cultural thing for me.
Yeah.
When I was growing up in middle school, junior high, I had black friends and I had white friends.
Damn, you're going in the direction I was going to go in.
Right?
I noticed in junior high school, middle school, White people and black people are different.
Yeah.
Black people, it's just...
I used to...
I remember I was hanging out with my black friends.
We said, let's go into 7-Eleven.
They went and started shopping.
I was looking like, what y'all doing?
They were all stealing.
Niggas taking the honey buns, right?
Yeah, they were stealing, stealing.
Snickers and stuff.
And then they ran out the store.
And then the guy was telling me to get out the store.
I was like, I ain't doing nothing.
But we got out the store.
They all eating and stuff.
I said, man, let me get one of them Snickers.
I mean, go back and get your old shit.
Yeah.
And it's like when I hung out with my white friends, they wasn't stealing.
They wasn't like getting in trouble.
They were like, they would invite me in my house.
Hey, my mom just cooked lunch.
You want something to eat?
It was like, it was a different experience.
And I noticed, I didn't notice it at the time, but all my black friends, they had no dad.
Yeah, it was just different.
They just had that mom or that grandma.
She was always stressed and yelling and shit.
That's the biggest problem right there is the no dad, I think.
All my white friends had a mom and a dad.
And a grandma in the damn house.
And it was just a cultural thing for me.
And I never bought into that whole victim mindset because my dad had two jobs.
Right?
And I just saw what he did.
And my older brother, he went in the military.
And I see all my black friends and it was always complaining about Yeah.
Then it rubbed off on me.
I would be complaining.
Like I said, my first 25 years...
So for you, you bought into it a little bit and poisoned you a bit.
Yeah, but not to an extent like Black America did, but it ruined the first 25 years of my life.
Yeah, no one's ever a successful Black America.
When did you wake up for you?
When did you have that epiphany moment?
Man, I always thought that all this shit was lies.
Tonight, it became true for me, and I had evidence to prove it.
It's just, when I came out as conservative, it's like, when we was popular on YouTube from the other channels, I mean, I've never got that much love from my fans until I turned conservative.
I mean, they actually, man, it is crazy.
When you come out and people give you a standing ovation.
You got way more love when you guys became conservative.
When we came out conservative, black people were wishing the worst for us.
15 minutes of fame is over.
They would put out comments like that and I was like, damn, we're doing our comment shows with nobody there.
Half the crowd was just It was not there.
And it was...
Trump supporters of that was the only people there.
And I was like, damn, we committed career suicide.
But then it kept growing.
How long did it take for your...
Oh, good question.
Six months.
That was quick.
And the crazy thing is, I was way more popular after I became conservative.
How many followers did you guys lose when you guys did the first transition?
Because obviously, people get mad, they cry.
You said you lost $10,000 in a day.
What did y'all lose overall, you would say?
We probably lost like YouTube and everything.
We probably lost about 40-50,000 followers that first week.
Yeah.
And it was just that we wasn't growing.
It was just steadily falling.
You go up like this.
It was like this.
Yeah.
Yeah, because you're gaining new because of your new views.
Yeah.
And then it just kind of plateaued out and we stopped losing people and it started growing up again.
But it took off.
It went up like Bitcoin.
Yeah.
What would you say?
So you lost like cumulatively speaking like what?
You think 100,000 maybe?
I'd probably say overall half our audience.
Wow!
Because when you went to our shows, everybody was over the age of 40.
Okay, so it might have not shown on the subscribers, but they just are subscribed.
They just tune you out.
Yeah, they just don't show up.
Okay.
So, 100,000 maybe, numbers-wise, but you guys actually predicted 50% of your audience that was gone.
We probably lost like, we probably, probably 500 to a mil.
And it took six months to rebound.
That's fast, though.
A lot of people take, it takes them years to come back.
Yeah.
But when we went into politics, man, it was COVID. So everybody was home so fast.
It was crazy.
Yeah.
And then it was an election year too.
Yeah.
And then we went to Nashville, Tennessee, man.
And the shows were selling.
I was like, damn, we never sold out.
We'll sell out a show.
Yeah.
But we're still doing two, three, four, five shows.
Nice.
Like before, we can't win in the politics.
That's what's crazy.
We're going to a town where we do two shows, a Friday night and a Saturday night.
When we came out as conservatives, we'd do two shows Friday, two shows Saturday.
Sometimes we'd do a show on a Sunday.
Sometimes two shows on a Sunday.
Sometimes we would do three shows in a day.
Sold out.
We'd go out to our cross.
I don't even recognize these people.
Wow.
And I thought they wasn't going to like me because it was a totally different fan base.
But they love us.
I mean, they love us so much.
Dude, we have old white men and wives coming up.
Hey, man, let me tell you what.
I want to watch you fuck my wife.
Did you?
No, my wife was there.
I love how you answered it.
I could have done it.
I was like, man, I want to, but she's here!
Honey, can I? Was the wife hot?
Yeah, we get a lot of that.
Like, white cows are like, they're into that cuck shit.
They invented that shit.
Yeah, a black dude having sex with a white woman?
White Republicans invented that shit.
What are y'all thoughts on Diddy since we're on this topic anyway?
Diddy?
Yeah.
That dude's scandalous.
Diddy shit.
Seems like he's scandalous.
Yeah.
You know what really works?
I heard stories about him before that even went down.
I remember I was with my ex-wife and they saw him at Elevator.
He was cussing at this girl, pulling about her and all that shit.
Oh, really?
Mm-hmm.
He had stories about R. Kelly.
He had stories about R. Kelly before that shit came.
Yeah.
Like, his ex-wife.
Yeah.
You know what is the biggest red flag to me?
Not one celebrity has come out to defend them.
Not one person has come out to defend them.
That's when I was like, holy shit.
They're just staying away from it.
They're not even talking about it.
They don't get dragged into it.
But my wife, my ex-wife, that black woman used to beat my ass...
I remember when I met her.
Full circle.
She went to a R. Kelly concert.
Yeah.
He invited her backstage, gave her a jar of honey.
That's when he hit Honey Love.
Okay.
Gave her a jar of honey.
She was 14.
She was all kissing on her, sucking on her nipples and everything.
Yeah.
She told me that.
It's a little old for R. Kelly.
Oh, no.
Don't be Michael.
Don't be Michael, Jake.
Court of the night.
laughter Holy shit.
Yeah, man.
But he likes younger girls.
Yeah, he likes young girls.
He's a pedophile.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's why they got him federally, bro, because he was like flying them around and shit and, you know, interstate commerce.
That's it, man.
You know, just like Epstein, just the black version, right?
Yeah, that's what he was known for.
I actually saw that video by accident.
Oh, you saw it?
Yeah, I saw the accident.
You remember LimeWire?
You could download free music.
I was downloading R. Kelly music.
And they used to troll you, yeah.
You would think you're getting bump and grind, but you got the wrong bump and grind.
Yeah, so I would go to the band.
I'd say, oh man, that's R. Kelly.
I'd say, man.
Man, what is he doing?
Oh, man!
He pissed on that bitch!
It was funny that dude, I saw it.
He couldn't even get it up.
So he said, fuck, I'll just piss on you.
That's actually probably smart.
He's embarrassing.
I'm going to piss on her instead.
I don't get that.
What women do in Canada?
You know what I've noticed in these RBI stars?
Because there's a couple of them that do this weird shit.
They just get laid so much that they're just like, let me see how badly I could degrade some of these bitches.
That's what they be doing, bro.
It's just weird.
I didn't bust it nuts on this guy.
I'm just going to piss on the bitch.
Power corrupts people, man.
It does, bro.
It's fucking wild, man.
But damn, how many tests we got?
I could read those and then we'll close out, man.
Do you feel like fame changed you guys at all?
Of course, a little bit.
My bank account, yeah, but I'm still the same person.
Yeah, you guys seem super chill.
Now you can just scream a little bit loud and say, fuck, do what the fuck you want.
But some people you see turns into total douchebags.
Do you know what the thing is?
They always douchebags.
Yeah.
When you look at somebody who drinks, they turn into an asshole, they're really an asshole.
Yeah.
It just amplifies where you are.
The fame allows them to get away with it when people still kiss in their ass or some people still kiss in their ass.
Yep.
But when those guys fall, then everyone deserts them.
Right.
Yep.
Like we did you right now.
Exactly.
Because I guess people had access to grind with him and didn't like him.
Because that's crazy to me that no one has come to his defense.
Right.
Yeah.
I could do some fucked up shit.
I think my friends would still back me up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As loyal friends, they're like, nah, he's innocent.
Yeah.
It's on camera.
So I'll go through these real quick.
It goes, KRT says, we got a show for y'all.
Goddamn good show.
These conversations made me bring back early YouTube Hodge twins memories with them wild stories.
Yeah, you guys better go subscribe to their Conservative Twins channel.
WFNFW Hodge was asked Kevin about the Middle Eastern girlfriend he had that threatened the barracks he was at.
Oh, that was my girlfriend.
That was his girlfriend.
Okay.
He was dating a Middle Eastern girl.
He was dating the crazy ones.
That's my girl.
Let me tell the story.
Let me tell the story, man.
I was dating this girl.
She's from Kuwait.
She's from Iraq.
Some of them are going to have questions for y'all.
You guys are okay with time?
Sure, sure, sure.
Like the goddamn video.
You guys better go follow them on their channel, Conservative Twins.
And the Rumble.
Actually, because they're trying to build their Rumble up.
You guys have some controversial views on them boys.
So you guys better go fucking check them out on Rumble.
Long story short, we got into a fight.
And she said, I'm going to blow your fucking birds up.
I bleed a bit.
What year is this now?
No time it is after 9-11.
Yeah, it was.
No, no, no.
No, it was back when I was 19, 20 years old.
Oh, so early 90s.
I was young.
She said she's going to blow the birds up.
That's wild, bro.
Typical of a damn bitch from Iraq.
She said she's going to blow that bitch up.
I'm gonna blow that bitch up.
I know people.
I know people.
Wow.
Did you report it to anybody who just broke up with her?
I just stopped talking to her, bitch.
You just stopped talking to her?
Yeah, I just stopped talking to her.
What'd you do that made her say, like, go crazy?
I tried crazy bitches when I was at that age.
I don't know what it was.
Oh, I didn't want to give her money.
Yeah, fuck that.
Screw that.
We used to be some cucks.
Durag Myron says, Yo, Kevin, can you do the rocket chair intro for the one time, please?
Man, I knew somebody was going to ask that shit.
And then he goes, yeah, fuck out the way.
All this damn court action.
Remember how they do that?
It's been so long, man.
My shoulder's getting fucked up he was doing that shit.
Really?
I was having shoulder pain.
I think it's usually like...
Give me some room.
I'll be like...
Take action too.
Subscribe.
Okay.
We got here.
Do you like mine again?
No.
No, we got that one.
Bro, this might be impossible.
We need an FNF Hot Swins and Tate's collab.
That shit will be the funniest podcast, bro.
When the tapes come back to the United States or when they're able to leave, they're going to come.
Don't worry, guys.
I'll make that happen.
This might be impossible because they don't like the U.S., but they said they'll come to Miami.
Yeah, he's scared they're going to get his ass.
Yeah.
No, I know.
We're trying to get him everywhere, though.
With him, bro, he...
Because when you live in Eastern Europe as long as they have, bro, like, you come to the United States, it's a fucking shock.
Like, they left when they were, like, kids, like, at 11.
And they've been, like, living in UK. Then they went to Eastern...
They've been in...
They left the UK in, like, 2010.
And then they've been in Romania the whole time.
And I've been out there a few times in Romania.
Clean, safe, beautiful, no crime.
The girls are attractive, no fat people.
So, like, I could see...
It's like a fitness atmosphere.
It's like Colombia.
Yeah, less prostitutes.
And way safer.
No fucking crime in Romania, bro.
There's no crime.
So he hates America?
Because the crime is underground and it's like with each other.
Mob shit, but it's like with each other.
It's all extorting niggas and shit and everyone pays.
So he doesn't like the United States?
Nah, he's not a fan.
And I don't blame him because it's like, bro, you came from, you lived in the US when you were a kid.
Then you leave for like 20, 30 years.
And then you come back and all you see is OF thoughts, fat people everywhere, crime everywhere, degenerate culture.
You know what I mean?
It's like a shock.
It's just like, what the fuck?
And then like, you know, I was in Romania for a month.
I came back to America and I was even kind of like, oh shit.
I forgot seeing all the fat people at the airport again.
I was like, oh, what the hell?
Because there's no fat people in Romania, bro.
I was there for a month.
I saw three fat people.
Are they conservative politically?
Oh yeah, it's the biggest Christian.
I think they have the most churches in the world, maybe?
They have some crazy Christian stat.
They're not orthodox, very religious.
A lot of Americans don't know, man.
There's actually better places to live.
Look at that...
Interview he did with Putin and he exposed how much they're paying for groceries over there and how people are living.
Everybody's no crime.
They're actually living better lives over in Russia right now than a lot of Americans are living here in the United States.
And that's crazy.
And they say this is the greatest country on the planet.
Fifth strongest economy in the world right now, I think, is Russia, despite all the sanctions and everything.
But yeah, dude, I could see why they don't like it.
Because yeah, you haven't been in America for a while, then you come back and see all these fat people.
So you like their belt better than Romania?
Romania was nice.
I liked it a lot.
I could see why they're there.
I could definitely see that.
The safety is huge, bro.
What's the taxes like over there?
I mean, but it's so cheap to live there.
Right.
Bro, everything is cheap as fuck.
That's the crazy thing about it.
It's just a better living outside of America.
When I was there, one US dollars, five, or Romanian dollars, roughly.
Wow.
It was like one of five.
Yeah.
Yeah, and they already got, and they got money too.
Yeah.
So that money goes far, bro.
Right.
So it's, the one thing I remember is like the girls were attractive and they weren't fat.
That's what I remember vividly.
And I was like, wow.
Like, then I came back to America.
I was like shocked.
It was only a month.
Latino, right?
Uh, like Ukrainians.
Okay.
Like, like Ukrainians, Eastern, typically Eastern European, with a little bit more Latina flair, like, cause a lot of them are brunettes too.
You know what I mean?
So, yeah.
Yeah, and they act like women, bro.
And you come here, nigga, what you want?
That's all the feminism stuff here in the States.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's how bad the Democrats have ruined, liberals have ruined America.
They do, bro.
They're not liberals, progressives.
Feminism, bro, is I think the biggest cancer that's ruined everything because everything started with feminism, bro.
Because all the other isms and all the other progressive bullshit came from there, bro.
That was the Trojan horse.
And you know what's funny?
The reason why, like, people were so on for it was, like, so that, like, the men think, oh, yeah, birth control, we don't got to deal with kids.
Oh, yeah, now they're going to fuck us.
Yeah, we're going to give them complete, like, reign on, you know, their sexual autonomy.
Well, guess what happens when you do that?
They fucked the best guys.
Yeah.
You niggas incel yourselves.
Yeah.
Stupid.
Exactly, yeah.
They ain't going to bang you, random niggas.
Now they can go ahead and get the chad.
Yeah.
Because they can.
Right.
Like, arranged marriages, if anything, like, that actually kept things stable.
Right, right.
You know, like, and this is a thing on, like, Middle Eastern countries.
They said, like, because in Middle Eastern countries, you can have, like, multiple wives.
It's less stabilized there because, like, the top guys have all the fucking women.
And then, like, the other guys, like, one of the biggest things that, like, keeps men, like, controlled and, like, from going crazy is a woman and getting married and shit like that.
Monogamy, like, creates more stability, social stability in general.
And a lot of Muslim countries are polygamous, right?
Right.
So that's what creates the problems.
That's why these people are going to be blowing themselves up, to be honest.
No pussy.
Yeah, makes sense.
I wonder if the blacks are going to clip that and say that I'm racist still.
Okay.
Bro, this might be impossible.
We need...
Oh, no.
Got that one.
Easy donated from Easy.
Thank you so much.
I think that's it.
Yo, so I'll give y'all the last word, man.
What's on y'all minds?
Did you guys like this interview?
Yeah, it was great.
Don't lie, man.
Y'all niggas.
You know what?
This is cool, man.
You know when I have an interview with somebody, man, it's like what makes an interview really good is like people are open and honest.
It goes a long way when you're doing a podcast.
It's hard to talk to somebody that's not being honest, not being open.
And they're like scared of walking on eggshells?
And you have to carry the conversation.
And they're walking on eggshells and scared?
I kind of want to ask this, but you guys don't have to ask this.
Who's your worst guest?
Worst guest?
I would say the Omni-Liberal.
Destiny?
Really?
He's not genuine at all.
Were you arguing the whole time?
I think he's a very smart guy, but he's not honest at all.
You can't have a conversation with somebody who wants to win.
He's smart in manipulating people that follow him, but he's not a smart guy.
He's actually a fucking idiot.
He's a contrarian by nature.
That's like what he does is like debate and argue.
I get along with him.
We have a respectful relationship.
He's in Miami.
We have a respectful relationship.
We disagree on everything though, but it's crazy.
He's not genuine.
I don't like him.
I can see he's fake.
Right.
He's not genuine.
You can't have honest.
Someone that's open and honest.
What did he lie about?
Didn't that interview go for a while?
Weren't y'all talking to him for like two, three hours?
Yeah, yeah.
What I find is if someone's being honest, no matter what your political views are, y'all gonna agree on 50-50.
When you sit down with somebody that's dishonest, you never agree on anything.
What was he lying about?
Because I didn't see that interview.
I'm gonna go back and watch it now.
I was talking to him about Russia, and I was like, he said the reason why Putin invaded because he's a maniac and he's a killer and he's an asshole.
I was like, no, he invaded because he's trying to protect his borders.
And he said that's bullshit and that's a lie.
I asked him what a woman is, and he couldn't answer it.
Are you serious?
Yeah, he did.
You ask him, next time you're having a show, ask him what a woman is.
He says it's too complicated.
That's what he said.
Too complicated.
Not that fucking complicated.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did he argue with y'all the whole time?
No, he tried to go there.
He raised his voice and he started screaming.
And we said, okay, okay, calm the hell down.
Stop conflating shit.
We was already in a happy mood because I watched some of his videos and he tends to start screaming.
Yeah, but when you sit down debating somebody, especially in today's climate, they're not actually trying to find solutions.
No.
He's just trying to look like he's winning the argument.
He doesn't care about the proof.
He just wants to give off the facade.
I'm the smartest guy and I won this argument.
He doesn't care what the actual proof is.
He's not trying to have a discussion.
Here's the other effect if he's trying to beat you.
It doesn't matter whether it's games, lies.
I don't think we agreed on anything.
Yeah.
And for him to call himself omni-liberal...
Well, that makes sense.
He's very left, you know, so...
He's not even liberal.
He's a fucking progressive.
He's not honest, though.
He doesn't try to argue any, like, real points.
He's just trying to win arguments.
And then he comes out and says that Trump deserved being almost assassinated.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
That was actually crazy.
He laughed at the guy that...
And he didn't bend on that.
Oh, y'all had him right after the assassination.
This was, like, when he was going crazy on Twitter.
Yeah, we had him before, before.
But when I saw him say that, he said Trump was...
He deserved, you know, what happened to him.
Yeah, he laughed at that firefighter.
He had his kids there with him.
Yeah, he said he deserved it.
He was going so crazy on Twitter, I even had to tweet.
I was like, look...
I don't like Biden, but if anybody fucking touches their hair on that old man's head, you deserve...
You're not going to fucking attack our politicians, bro.
I don't care if they're far...
I could hate you.
I don't even hate politicians.
I just dislike them.
If anyone's going to fucking...
Even Kamala, you fucking touch your hair on her head, bro.
We're coming after you.
This is America.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're not going to hurt our politicians, regardless of where they stand.
But I'm telling you, these leftists are crazy, bro.
They're okay with violence.
If someone hurt Joe Biden, his son, or anybody's family, I was like, man, that is messed up.
Yeah.
Well, I'll say it was a random fan that got killed that he was laughing at.
That's what really bothered me.
Yeah.
Bro, look, this is why I've said it before.
I'll say it again, bro.
Like, leftists are just naturally fucking violent, bro.
Like, these Palestinian crazy motherfuckers burning flags and shit like that.
Like, when conservatives protest, they don't protest as much.
But, like, they're not over here, like, burning places down, going crazy, all this other shit.
It's always the crazy leftists.
Antifa, burning buildings down, George Floyd protests, BLM. Like, these guys are domestic terrorists, bro.
That's literally the definition of domestic terrorism.
Yeah, you don't see conservatives doing that because I think, you know, regardless of who's in office, I'm going to be successful.
Yes.
You know, and I think for people on the left, to them, if they don't have that candidate, then life is going to get worse and they have absolutely no hope.
A lot of these people that vote Democrat, they don't understand that their life is in their hands and it's not a politician.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Politician doesn't do too much for us.
Not at all.
I'm successful when Obama was in.
I'm successful when Trump's in.
I'm successful when Biden's in.
Regardless who's in.
Which is precisely why.
Let me ask you guys this.
Precisely why.
Like for me voting, I think the most important topic, at least for this election for me, is foreign affairs.
What do you guys think is the most important topic?
You talked me into that foreign affairs.
You did foreign affairs too?
It affects everything.
Yeah.
It affects the economy.
We had a discussion yesterday, guys.
Our interview is going to drop soon, probably next week.
Yeah, it fixed everything.
That's why we have inflation.
Just think about it.
I think it really stems from foreign affairs.
A lot of Americans say inflation, but I do think foreign affairs is what causes it.
Yeah, foreign affairs.
Inflation's big too, especially because we're all doing a little better, but some of these people that are getting by on some small salaries, when you look at prices, I couldn't imagine.
That whole conflict in Russia.
Even I look at these prices, and I'm doing well.
I couldn't imagine.
And that's the point of a discussion, right?
See, I was able to change your mind on that.
You changed my mind because I learned from you guys, Democrats run on emotion.
I'm like, Yeah, I would say smoke and mirrors, but what do smoke and mirrors do?
Affect their fucking emotions and y'all are right.
Yeah, just look at Joe Biden since he's become president.
If Trump's in office, there's no war in Ukraine between Russia.
We don't have this inflation right now because the majority of the inflation was from that war in Russia.
Yeah.
If Trump's in office, a lot of people will still be alive from that Afghanistan pullout and a lot of Ukrainians and Russians will still be alive if Trump was in office.
The thing I liked about Trump is he made peace with people that we hated.
One thing that I'll give him credit for.
Yo, like Obama, when he left office, like I remember, was Trump or somebody said this, what was one of Obama's biggest challenges when he was in office was North Korea.
What does Trump do?
He actually flew in and met him.
No other president did that.
And walked into North Korea.
Yeah.
That was crazy.
That's crazy.
You know what I mean?
But they'll go ahead and say, oh, that's not a big deal or whatever.
That's a huge deal.
They bashed him for that instead.
They attacked him for that.
They attacked him for that.
He was saying he was going to start a war with Rocket Man because Trump was mocking him.
He called him Rocket Man.
Yeah.
I think he gained respect from him because they found him funny.
My mind works.
He liked that shit.
Damn, he called me Rocket Man.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
You know, like, shit like that's funny.
I think people like Putin and people like Kim Jong-un, like, they respect that.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like, because he's not a politician, so he's going to just call like it is.
And like, no, you're fucking funny.
I like you.
And then they met.
And I think that's like a huge W, but people always, like, undermine that.
They try to say, oh, you had collusions with Russia, whatever.
Like, they always try to undermine all of his accomplishments.
And I think, you know, even though I don't like Israel, I think him moving the embassy or the capital to Jerusalem, like, that, like, it kind of gave...
Look, you gotta play the game when you deal with them, right?
So it's like, okay, here's like an olive branch so you guys don't fucking create more problems.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Right.
So, though it sucks, but like, he did something for them, right?
So, I think from a foreign policy perspective, he kept us out of wars, which is big enough.
Yeah.
You know, versus these guys coming and they can't control.
That's the most important thing a president can do is keep us out of wars because that war is going to affect our economy, everything.
Gas prices.
Yeah, and that's the only thing, like, because I agree with y'all.
Everything is on us.
That's why people like to vote right, because it's on you.
Limited government.
It's still on you, yeah.
Lower taxes, it's on you to be successful.
But, like, when it comes to foreign policy, we can't control it.
We can't do shit.
Yeah, I find it crazy.
They say they're going to fix everything after the Democrats have been in office for, like, what, the last 12 out of 16 years?
Yeah.
They keep saying it's Trump's fault because he was in office for four years.
Right.
It's crazy.
They could fix it right now if they were going to fix it.
Yeah.
So Destiny's your worst guest.
Destiny was your worst guest.
Oh, by far.
Who's second?
I think it's a long way from Destiny.
He was the worst.
I apologize.
I think I passed that to the producer.
I apologize.
He was trying to be on a show.
I don't want to do your show.
JFK was one of the best.
RFK. Okay.
PBD was good.
We had a lot of good guests.
I don't say anybody else was bad as him.
Did y'all talk?
I didn't know.
Okay, I'm going to go watch the interview with RFK. Did y'all talk to him about his dad?
Or nah?
Yeah, we brought it up.
Yeah.
He said CIA. CIA, huh?
Yeah.
Did he tell you about how Sirhan Sirhan shot him from the front, but the bullets that killed his dad from the back?
He didn't get in that detail, but he said Woody Harrelson's dad was a hitman.
Woody Harrelson?
I think he claimed he was involved, right?
Yeah, he was a hitman.
His dad was a hitman or something.
I'm not sure.
I think he said he might have been involved or he gave tips about who he claimed.
Because I saw RFK on Bill Maher, and he doesn't think Sirhan Sirhan killed his dad.
I don't know if y'all got that far.
Okay, I understand.
Like, yeah, this could be deemed fucked up.
We've had great guests.
Everybody's been great.
That dude's a jerk.
So RFK was y'all favorite?
Yeah, he's cool.
And he's a liberal.
Yeah, I would consider him a libertarian.
More like old school liberal.
That's how liberals used to be.
I always looked at libertarianism as you're Republican, but you ain't got balls enough to say it.
You know what killed him?
I think there's two things that really hurt him.
Because I like RFK a lot.
I like him too.
I like him a lot.
But I think two things killed his campaign.
Number one, aligning himself with Shmuley.
Bad.
Really bad.
One of the most hated people at Rabbi Shmuley.
And then the second thing was...
The abortion thing.
I think it's awesome.
Oh, I was going to say his voice.
I didn't even think about the abortion thing.
You know what?
I've got his voice.
You can get over his voice after hearing it a few times.
Yeah.
But it's an acquired taste, though.
So it's like some people are going to be shut out immediately, bro.
I'm like, what the fuck is this?
But once you get used to it, because I would watch interviews.
At first, I was like, what is this?
Like a damn lawnmower.
Yeah, but I pushed through.
I said, I'm going to listen to what he got to say, and I like what he had to say.
But bro, Most people, especially lower IQ people, they're not going to go that far.
What the fuck is this?
Especially black people.
They're going to do files.
I can't take this.
This nigga can't even talk!
Yeah.
Jokes for days, bro.
I think it's a sport for Israel because he's so anti-war.
He's anti-war, anti-war.
But as soon as they bring up Israel and he's like, they're the world's most moral army.
They're mostly only killing him.
I like RFK. I like RFK. Professional choker.
We talked about this yesterday.
I can't breathe.
I see what you did there.
I didn't do nothing.
I think the thing...
Shit, I forgot what I was going to say now.
Oh, I think they had dirt on him, bro.
You think so?
I think, you know, who?
I think they had dirt on him, bro, because with him, yeah, because the thing with him is that, like, he was a sex addict, and I think he had issues with drugs in the past, right?
Something.
So I think they had him on that, like, where it would have been, like, you know.
But who hasn't had a sex addiction or been on drugs?
I think it's a guy that we forgive, but maybe it's something like this.
You guys hear all that beeping?
Yeah, I don't think it's picking up.
It doesn't stick up.
Oh, it's next door.
Oh, it's next door.
Okay.
I was thinking in my head, like, I didn't bring the bomb today.
Yeah, we did.
I was like, come on, man.
Think the CIA or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we got these.
We still got a month to 9-11.
Yeah.
So, okay, or a couple weeks.
But no, what was I going to say?
Shit.
But no, man, cool.
Yo, guys, it was fucking awesome to talk with y'all.
It really was.
Yeah.
How long did we go, Bills?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
We went a while.
Damn, we went a while.
Well, you know what?
You guys fucking milked me, so I milked y'all niggas back.
Fuck that shit, man.
Y'all got two interviews out of me, man.
Right.
God damn it, man.
Nah, it's always fucking fun talking to you guys.
It really is, bro.
Where can people find y'all?
And what projects are coming up?
We're just on YouTube.
We're on Conservative Twins, Ask Horse Twins.
And Horse Twins, 1776.
Yeah, that's our YouTube channels.
And...
Twitter, HodgeTwins, Instagram, HodgeTwins.
And then Rumble.
We gotta build this Rumble up.
Guys, please check them out on Rumble.
You guys know that's our main shit.
Check them out on Rumble, guys, because they got some base takes, especially on certain topics.
And then Jake, where can the people find you, bro?
Thank you for coming, by the way, and helping me out with this.
Thanks for having me along.
Just JakeShillsAJJ on Twitter.
I put the same thing on Rumble, Instagram, new podcast.
I just launched a few other places.
Again, it's JakeShillsAJJ and all those places.
And then one last thing.
We gotta have you on with some girls, guys.
Okay, sure.
We gotta fucking do this.
You guys keep fucking lying to me.
Yo, we gonna come to Miami!
Yeah, we just...
Yeah, niggas dope.
Can't you do the girls out here?
You know what?
I'm gonna have to probably arrange it here in Vegas.
That would be easier.
Okay.
Because we can set up plenty of other microphones.
Yeah, because we got a studio that we use too with Rolo Tomasi.
You guys should talk to him.
He's out here.
Oh, okay.
Y'all should talk to Rolo Tomasi.
He's like the author of The Rational Mail.
A lot of like Red Pill stuff, dating stuff.
Oh, okay.
So if you guys want, yeah.
He's here in Vegas.
Yeah, I think it'd be a good interview for y'all.
You know what I mean?
But yeah, what was I going to say?
And then TwinSpot, obviously.
Oh yeah, TwinSpot.
Yeah, man.
I was going to say, this is where we are.
I got so many YouTube videos.
How many subs y'all got on that right now?
Y'all just started it.
Let's get them to half a million, guys.
Fucking subscribe.
Get us to half a million.
Yeah, man.
They're going to drop my video next week.
You know, or actually the week after that because some shit happened.
And then, what else was I going to say?
But yeah, what I'll do is I'll get some girls and then we'll do something here in Vegas.
And then I think it would be hilarious for you all to be on with some dots.
Right, right.
But no, man, go check them all out, guys.
They got Rumbles and YouTubes, man.
Check them out, guys.
I'll catch you guys.
Actually, I think I'm going to do another stream with Rolo.
Tonight, man.
We going hard in the paint tonight.
So, I'll let you guys know here.
I'm going to call him up and see if we do it.
You guys might get four streams out of me today.
Real talk.
So, or three.
But, guys, thank you so much, man.
Thank you, man.
All right, man.
Yeah, great chat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm always around right here.
Yeah.
And, yo, you know, just take us with the, do whatever the fuck you want.
Do whatever the fuck you want to do.
Yeah.
Did that shit so long?
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