Are Women Criticized By Their Men & Do They Change? SHOCKING ANSWERS!
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Ladies on the panel, if you don't mind, give us your name, your age, what we do for a living, dating status, and if you want to, of course, and we'll start right here.
Welcome back.
Thank you.
Alright, my name is Rina.
I am from New Jersey, but I've been living in Miami for a year now.
I'm 30.
Wait, 30?
Yes.
What's your profession?
A full-time model.
Highest education, bachelor's in accounting.
I'm a CPA. I have to ask.
You're a model, right?
Yeah.
Have you been involved?
No, but...
You need to pass the drink tension.
Sorry to say.
You guys always say the same thing.
Every time I say it.
Oh, you keep saying you're a model.
So what am I going to say?
You're single at 30?
No, I'm not single.
I'm in a relationship.
Oh, nice!
Last time, yeah, I came out single.
How long have you guys been together?
Four months today, actually.
Congratulations.
I was walking out of a club.
Oh.
And I met him on my way to my car.
Interesting.
Translation, she met him as a model.
Oh my god.
Translation, met him while I was unemployed.
What club was it?
It wasn't even like a club club.
It was like Wynwood.
Out of Coyo.
Cool.
That's a funny story.
For those of you wondering, that's a taco spot.
I'm curious.
What do you say though?
Give me your number.
What do you say?
Actually, it was my friend that was with me.
Like, it was him and then two other guys.
And she was like, oh, where are you guys going?
Like, she was kind of lit.
So she's like, oh, where are you guys going?
Like, she just, like, talked to them randomly.
And then he just walked straight to me.
And we started talking.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
All right.
What about you?
My name is May.
I am 22.
Hi, y'all!
I'm from Miami, or Homestead specifically, 305 represent.
I am a property inspector, risk specialist, so I work with all the insurance companies pretty much in Florida.
That's a pretty good job.
When you say property inspector, do you mean as in like you do the inspections like when people are trying to buy a house?
So anytime an inspection needs to be done, you're going in there, you're doing the inspection, whether it's for an appraisal, purchasing property.
MSP valuation for the insurance coverage.
If it's just for the insurance, just needing to know if you continue to have coverage with them.
Gotcha.
So you're basically employed by banks, insurance companies, et cetera.
I'm a contractor.
So yeah, it's all basically contracted work.
Okay, great.
And then what's your highest education level?
I'm currently getting my bachelor's degree in criminal justice.
Okay.
All right.
And then what's your relationship status?
I'm not officially in a relationship, but I could say that.
I'd say single.
We're getting there.
We're just not...
We haven't had this.
We're not in a relationship.
You can just say it like that.
I didn't want to say it like that.
Who's on the fence right now?
No one's on the fence.
We're just taking it slow because we don't want to get into something and then not actually be a thing.
Okay, taking your time.
He doesn't check all my boxes at this point, so something better comes along.
That's actually not true.
I've actually been committed to him for six months, but we just don't want to move forward and do anything or move on to anything that won't become serious.
So you're playing the part, but you're not actually calling it the part.
Yeah, we're getting there.
So you're playing house.
We're not playing house.
Okay.
We're getting there.
That's why I didn't want to stay in a relationship.
Yeah.
Legally single.
Okay, cool.
Legally single.
Based on the facts there.
Alright, what about you?
What's your name?
Hi, my name is Sandy.
What is it?
Sandy?
Yeah, Sandy.
Okay.
How old are you?
21.
I'm from Miami.
21.
Yeah, I'm chilling.
I'm from Alapato.
Holy shit.
This is the hood, ain't it?
Yeah, this is the hood in Miami.
Okay.
Which is not the best, but it's okay.
What do you do for work?
I'm an artist, low-key.
What kind art are we talking?
I do bookkeeping too.
I'm sorry?
Art.
Okay, like are we talking painting, drawing, music?
Painting, drawing.
Oh, nice.
Everything.
Okay.
Awesome.
All right.
What's your highest education level completed?
Bachelor's.
In?
What's your degree in?
Associate's degree.
Wait, what?
You want to stop yelling this?
You got to speak up.
I'm just kidding with you.
All right, so you have an associate's degree.
Yeah, I'm getting my bachelor's now.
What do you have your associate's in?
Accounting.
Another person that has an accounting degree and doesn't want to use it.
But you have your associates in accounting.
Are you going to get your bachelor's in accounting too?
Yeah.
Okay, so for both.
Do you plan to use it or not?
Of course.
Okay, so you are going to be an accountant after.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
And then what's your relationship status?
Single right now.
Okay.
What about you?
Hey, I'm Desiree.
Hey, y'all!
I'm 24.
Okay.
Where are you from?
I'm from Alabama.
Okay.
Do you live here now or are you just visiting?
I live in Florida, yes.
I've been in Florida for about seven years.
Okay.
Well, you went to like, you were raised and everything, high school there?
Yes, yes.
And then what's your profession?
I am an esthetician.
I am a choreographer.
I choreographed for the baby, and I've done a couple tours.
So I make sure I understand this correctly.
Are you the person dictating how the dancers dance in the background?
You're the one coming up with the routines and everything else like that?
Yes.
So you're a professional dancer as well?
Yes.
Okay.
Nice.
So you're the one that scripts everything when they're in the back?
Yes.
That's a good job.
Yeah.
That's a good job.
Does that take up most of your time, I would assume?
Not necessarily, no, because usually those gigs are like last minute and they're like by a call basis, you know, so it's like, hey, are you available?
And it's just like, yes or no, you know, for a tour or not.
Yeah, I was going to say, so you pretty much got to throw everything on the back burner if you get called, right?
Because then you got to go tour for months at a time.
Yeah.
Okay.
Is each routine different per city?
Um, I try not to do that.
I try to keep it the same because, you know, that's how you get those crisp performances, you know, and that's how you know that everybody knows what they're doing.
And it's just like, okay, cool.
You know, if you kind of play it by ear, which we have played it by ear, and we've had to learn a routine in an hour, you know, and you have to do it or don't.
And if you messed up, it is what it is.
But it's kind of like...
So, interesting.
Do you have a pool of dancers ready to go at all times, or do they provide you with the dancers?
No, I actually have to search for the dancers.
I will make a post to say, does anybody know a dancer?
Does anybody see anybody who's been wanting an opportunity or something like that?
Oh, wow.
On the fly.
So they literally throw everything on you.
You gotta recruit the dancers.
You gotta come up with a routine.
You gotta get the dancers there to show up to the tour bus and everything.
I'm assuming they pay for housing and traveling, but you have to find them.
They don't pay for any of that, no.
Oh, you have to cover it.
No.
They just pay for performances.
Okay, so it's on them to show up.
Correct.
And then they get paid after the performance.
Yes, and it all depends on the artist.
It also depends on their budget and it depends on their management.
Each artist is different.
You have some of those known artists who have rehearsals.
and they have tour buses.
It's like the things you see on TV where it's like, hey, wake up.
This is what you eat, breathe, and sleep dance.
But for rappers and things like that who are on the go, it's not the same as your singers.
I've noticed, and this is very interesting, I guess I could turn it to the panel here in a second.
What I've noticed is, you know, from being, I'm 33, I'm old, right?
So I've noticed music videos back like 10, 15 years ago, the whole performance situation, artists put a lot more care and money behind their craft.
10 to 15 years ago, you look at old music videos, I hate to use Missy Elliott as an example, but she would spend regularly a million dollars on music videos.
But if you look at music videos nowadays, they don't have the same creativity, the same effort, and the same directing prowess as they did back then.
And I think that's also translated over to touring as well, where since more artists are independent, they're not major, they don't have the money to put into their situation like they used to 10-15 years ago.
They're cutting corners, right?
And they're not necessarily getting dancers or whatever.
I remember I used to watch MTV back in the day, and they would have the dancers in-house on the tour bus with them, and they'd be traveling, right?
Britney Spears used to do this shit.
A lot of the top pop stars used to do this.
They just have a team ready to go.
Justin Timberlake, I know, used to do that.
So very interesting to see that now it's pretty much run by contractors.
Yeah, I mean, it's just on the fly, literally.
And then, you know, you're used to seeing on TV, you know, they have the TV shows where they audition and stuff like that.
And the auditions are like vicious, you know, and you have those top choreographers come in there and it's like, okay, do it one time.
If you can't do it, you're done.
Yeah.
You know, so I'm used to seeing that and growing up watching that.
So when I am looking for those dancers or when I am preparing them for these shows, that's how I'm kind of approaching it because like it's serious.
It reflects.
You literally have like one chance.
For the routine on stage in front of everybody.
And that's it.
You have the cameras and then you have, you know, the artists, you know, they take pride in their music.
So, you know, you have to kind of take pride in what's behind them.
They don't know because some of them will do a sound check with you and then you have those artists that don't.
They don't know what they're actually getting anymore.
They don't come to those rehearsals.
They don't see some of them, not all of them, but...
I've just, in general, over the past 10 or 15 years, I've just seen an overall lack of genuine investment from artists into their craft versus before.
I think a big part of it is more artists are independent now, so they don't have the money and the power to be able to push into all the other stuff in the background.
So it is what it is, but I've just noticed that.
Now at AI, tell AI, yo, I need a whole script.
Everything like that is done.
That too.
And you would think, because most artists, don't let them fool you guys, they make their money on shows.
Yeah, shows.
It's not, you know, iTunes and all this other shit.
Album sales, especially nowadays, like it's not a thing anymore.
It's the shows where they make the most money.
So you would think they would put heavy, you know, precedence on that, but it's not like that anymore.
Very interesting.
All right.
So, okay, so you're an esthetician and also a dance choreographer slash coordinator.
And then what's your highest education level completed?
Um, I went to climatology school.
Okay.
Yes.
No dance school?
No.
Okay.
No.
Berklee School of Music or something like that?
No.
I mean, the high school I went to, you know, we were kind of like a mixture of performing arts and magnet, but, you know.
All right.
And then what's your relationship status?
I'm in a relationship.
Okay.
How long have you been together?
Um, we've been dating for five months.
Okay.
Is he in the music industry, too?
No, he's in the military.
Oh, shit.
He's in the military.
Oh, shit.
Here we go.
How'd you guys meet?
We just...
We, like...
It's weird.
It's weird.
So, we were just out.
I was out.
And...
Of course it was.
And...
He was with his friends.
He was with his friends.
And...
He was just sitting in the corner, just kind of looking at all.
I'm just like, hey, you know, or whatever.
It sounds like my situation.
You approached him?
Yeah, I said hi.
Stop the cow.
Oh, shit.
Okay, cool.
All right.
I did.
Stop the cow.
She started pop-locking and dropping it.
No, I didn't.
I didn't.
So, you know, our conversation was good.
Yeah.
Now, interesting.
I've always had these speculations about the music industry, and you pretty much confirmed what I've always thought, that the rise of independent artists has pretty much contributed to, like, kind of like a, I guess, lack of investment in music videos, choreography, performances, et cetera, versus before.
I mean, you guys ever seen, like, a Michael Jackson show back in the 90s?
That is top production.
You ever seen that?
You ain't saying that shit no more.
That's when it hit me, like, yo, A lot of these artists, unless it's a top-tier act, like a Lady Gaga or some shit like that, you're not catching that stuff from even A-list celebrity rappers.
They're not doing that shit no more.
I think The Weeknd is probably the only guy you know that does that stuff.
There you go.
The Weeknd.
That does like big...
What is he?
Major label.
Major label, yeah.
You know what I mean?
So that's kind of what I've noticed, kind of like a degradation in quality from a performer standpoint with music in general.
All right.
What about you?
Welcome.
Hi, my name is Arianna.
Oh my gosh, you know what?
You better get it ready though because you're gonna have to hit it a lot of times.
Okay.
I hate that thing so much, but I'm like, alright.
Yeah, so, okay, I'm 37.
I am from Connecticut.
Oh, cool.
What part of Connecticut?
Like, not too far from New Britain in the Hartford County area.
What town?
Granby.
Oh, shit, okay.
Alright, hit that bell again, Chris.
What do you have against Grampy?
Well, Central Connecticut in general is a red flag.
I know, right?
I guess I got a red flag myself too.
But, alright, cool.
What do you do for?
I am a home health aide.
What's that?
A nurse?
Like a CNA. Oh, come on!
She knew!
I told you!
So you work for like a family?
Are you a contractor?
No, I work for...
I'm like a private home health aide.
I work for a particular family.
Okay, and they employ you directly versus being contracted out from a...
Okay.
And then what is your highest education level completed?
Oh, completed.
You gotta stay completed, huh?
High school.
CNA school?
High school?
Okay.
Well, you had to do some training to be a CNA, right?
Well, I did go to three out of the four years of nursing school in a pretty competitive program, but I needed surgery.
Where'd you go?
You went to Southern?
I went to St.
Joseph.
Okay, all right.
Surgery for what?
I've had like a number of neurosurgeries.
So I had to have another one.
And then I left to recover.
And then I met my now.
I know I should have known that was coming.
God damn, woman.
What are you, a car?
You want to do the tiniest violin in the world?
The tiniest violin.
She's a good sport about it.
What's your, okay.
So high school slash three years of nursing school.
And then what's your relationship status?
I am single, but I also have, this has nothing to do with my relationship status, but before I forget, I have something for you guys, and I'm really, like, shy about it, but I guess I made it.
A gift?
What is this?
Yeah, Icy was saying, she was like, oh, I want you to take it out on the show.
What is it, pocket pussy?
It's gonna be a gun.
Are you kidding me?
I'm just kidding.
Oh, shit!
Wait, is that me?
Oh, that's dope.
Oh, damn!
I wrote you guys...
No, the other way, nurse.
The other way, yeah.
The other way, nurse.
There it is, there it is.
Put it together.
Oh, wow.
Oh, that's nice.
That's cool.
That's amazing.
Oh, this is awesome.
It's cool.
That's cool, though.
Did you do that?
Yes, I did, yeah.
Oh, she wrote something.
Shout out to Grandma!
That's a little something for my grandkids.
Definitely gonna hang that up.
We're still gonna make fun of you, though.
Thank you so much.
I really appreciate that.
Thank you.
And then you said single.
And then what about you?
Hi, I'm Nani.
Welcome back!
Hey!
Yeah, hey!
Nani!
I'm 22.
I'm from Homestead, Florida.
30 minutes away from Miami.
Yep, far away.
For those that are wondering, it's real south.
Far away land.
Where's your profession?
I'm a nail technician and half-time a model.
Okay.
Cool.
And Chris, Fresh, you want to pop your question to Joy?
No, I don't.
She's never been there.
I'm getting it.
I'm like real close, though.
I'm just saying.
I'm real close.
Real close.
Highest education level completed?
I'm completed.
High school.
But no, cosmetology school, actually.
I was going to say, you've got nail school, not a technician school, so.
Okay.
And then what's your relationship status?
I'm single.
She belongs to the streets.
I'm single.
She belongs to the streets.
She belongs to the streets.
I think she said it one more time, Chris.
Look, I don't belong in the streets, I'm just chillin' and single.
Alright, fair enough.
Chris, do you have anything before I ask?
No, no, we're good.
Alright, cool.
So, we already got 10,000 plus of you guys watching live, so this is what we're going to do.
Every single chat that comes through, we're going to show on screen, but from this point forward, Chris, call it.
20 and up.
Alright, we're going to read 20 and up, but if you can't, you early birds already know what time it is, so I'll read some of these crazy spring break confessions you've heard from another girl.
Shouts away.
Okay, you know what?
We can go around the table on this one because this one's a good one.
Craziest spring break confessions you've heard from another girl.
Not you, ladies.
We can start here.
Start it off.
Or work our way back.
Oh, this is actually pretty recent.
So, I'm not going to expose her or whatever, but it was like this current spring break, so spring break 2023.
And she left me, actually, stranded.
That's why I always drive my own vehicle.
She left me.
Where'd y'all go?
Did you guys leave Florida?
No, we were, um, we actually were coming back.
Actually, so we were driving down from Orlando.
Okay, you went to Orlando for spring break.
Yeah, I went from Orlando.
I went to Orlando for spring break, came back down, spent like two, three days in Miami for the rest of spring break, you know, to get the hectic.
And she, we pulled up to Bacon Bitch.
Okay.
In Bayside?
Yes, yes.
Bacon Bitch in Bayside.
It's a restaurant here in Miami where they call you a bitch.
Yeah, the entire time.
To your face.
Yeah.
And so she, you know, texting her boyfriend, whatever, whatever.
And, you know, she's driving this time.
And she literally just tells me, oh, I'm going to get up and go to the bathroom.
And she literally just leaves.
But in the midst of her leaving, I'm, you know, catching her leaving and everything.
She's getting an Uber and the whole entire time she's, like, getting dragged towards the Uber.
Like, getting drugged.
By a guy?
By a guy.
Okay.
Like, literally.
So, the whole time, like, the boyfriend was abusive and all that crazy-ass shit.
It was her boyfriend?
Yeah, it was her boyfriend.
Oh, okay.
But I didn't know he was her boyfriend.
To me, this is just random-ass guy.
She didn't tell you that?
No, she didn't tell me that.
Until after the fact.
So, like, I'm getting ready to call the police and everything.
And she's like, no, wait, hold on to my boyfriend.
So, it's another girl, but this, I was in the midst of the story.
That's crazy.
Girls go out spring break and don't even tell their girlfriends that they got a band.
Literally.
On purpose.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because in Orlando, we weren't like that.
Orlando, we didn't.
I didn't go on a band.
Did you smash anybody in Orlando?
I'm not going to tell the business.
Stop the guy.
Okay, she definitely didn't.
The answer is yes.
What happens in Orlando?
Yeah, if they don't refute it, nine out of ten obviously means it's true.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Fantastic.
She got taken by her own boyfriend.
Did you tell him, like, yo, man, like...
I just left.
I really just...
After, like, she told me it was a boyfriend, I was out.
She said, none of my business.
I'm good.
Fantastic.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
Craziest...
Pull the question up real quick.
Spring big tail from another girl.
Yeah, you heard from another girl.
Well, grandma here is pretty boring because I don't have one.
I seriously...
Not even that you've overheard or anything like that?
No, truly.
I went to an all-girls Catholic college.
I still didn't hear anything.
You must have heard something.
You didn't hear any wild, mighty, balcony stories?
37 years on Earth?
I know.
I feel like I'm ashamed that I don't have a story to share.
Honestly, the people...
I've lived...
Girl, you should have saw it!
They legalized alcohol again!
That was crazy!
That was banned for 13 years!
Oh my god!
That was the most lit night ever!
I don't even remember it!
Prohibition sucked!
Holy!
Okay, we'll move on then.
Sorry.
It's all good.
What about you?
Craziest spring break story that you've heard from a girl?
Could be you hearing it directly, maybe you hearing her third party.
Go ahead.
Y'all, I have not been to a spring break since 2014.
That's cool.
And I've never...
Let me get there.
I don't affiliate with people like that because I work all the time.
So I don't overhear those type of things.
Stop the cow!
I don't.
You never heard of nothing?
No.
Okay.
I don't engage in...
Okay, 2014.
Take us back in time.
Uh-huh.
One of your crazy nights there.
Yes.
Okay, so...
The iPhone 5 came out.
That shit was...
We in Miami, bitch!
Oh, my God.
So, you know, I told you I'm from Alabama, right?
So, everybody goes to Gulf Shores.
And, you know, I was...
Let me think.
All of my friends were older than me.
So I was the youngest one out of the group, you know.
And so, y'all, I don't know.
It's been so long.
Shit.
Ain't no crazy shit happening.
Nothing.
Oh, okay, okay.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Okay, girl.
Okay, okay.
Okay, so we're reflecting.
Yes, so my homegirl, she was drunk.
And so we needed something at a Walmart.
And she just falls on the floor in Walmart.
And so she's bigger than all of us.
She's not fat.
She's thick-boned.
Thick-boned.
And we're smaller than her.
How much did she weigh, roughly?
250.
She was probably overweight.
No, she wasn't overweight.
She was really curvy.
She was Puerto Rican.
350.
Dang.
350.
No, I'm gonna say like, probably like 180.
And you couldn't get her to the car?
I was skinny then, girl!
You and your friends?
No, we were both, we were skinny.
And how tall was she?
No.
She was like maybe 5'10".
That's almost okay.
Yeah, no.
You see what I'm saying?
If she's tall, yeah, no.
Yeah, no.
She was just curvy.
Like she, you know, she was like Puerto Rican.
So she had all the curves, all in the hips.
And so I'm like, oh my God.
So yeah, so that was, that was tragic.
But that's it.
Great story.
What about you?
That was boring.
Yeah, that was L. Yeah, it was.
One time I went to Miami Beach.
I was chilling with my best friend.
Yeah.
We were chilling.
Yeah.
Tell us more.
And then...
We were just chilling, smoking on the fucking...
Where, like, the lifeguard party was at?
Yeah.
We were chilling.
We were smoking.
And then I don't know where this man comes up to us.
And we were like, yo, who the fuck is this guy?
And my best friend was just looking at me like, yo, we gotta do something.
We gotta do something.
And I was like, we gotta look, bro.
We gotta look.
And she looked at me like, whoa, what do we do?
And I was like, bitch, we gotta dip, bro.
And she looked at me stupid, bro.
And I was like, okay, hold on, hold on.
Yeah, yeah.
And the man came more closer.
I was looking at her like, what the fuck, bro?
We gotta dip.
And she looked at me like, we could stay here.
I was like, what do you mean?
What do you mean we gotta stay here?
I wanted to throw the shoes at him.
And he was looking at us straight up like, who's gonna fucking fuck us or some shit?
I was like, yo, Leilani, you fucked up, bro.
You fucked up, bro.
And I was like, okay, bro, whatever.
And the man dipped, luckily.
okay And then what happened?
I looked at us straight up.
We just kept smoking.
I was like, yo, we look stupid as fuck.
Was this real?
can somebody else bother to eat this I don't understand what the guy was doing that was making you so nervous it was so nervous No, they were high.
You missed the big part of the story.
They were smoking.
They were smoking.
They were smoking for sure.
So I guess the guy just stared at you guys then eventually left?
No, he was looking at it straight up.
Like, oh, what the fuck?
What the fuck, bro?
And you guys just sat there and smoked more and then he left?
What the fuck?
What time of night was this?
You missed it.
Leilani won't trip the fuck up, bro.
Leilani was tripping, bro.
You know a story sucks when even the girls on the panel are like, what the fuck was that shit?
All right, fantastic.
Good try, good try.
It's okay, man.
Don't worry about it.
You did okay.
What about you?
If this doesn't prove that girls don't have to have charisma, then I don't know.
What the fuck, bro?
Yeah, bro.
I heard it was brother that entire story, bro.
You don't give up.
What about you?
I don't have a question.
It's revealing a lot of things.
That was the worst story I've ever heard.
- I'm protecting my boy from Dora the Explorer.
Get him, get him.
Don't take that and get him.
- Do you have anything you wanna say back to Lauren's hair line? - I don't think you can be dead.
- I guess you could do a better profile, bro. - I'm just laughing.
I'm so sorry, but one of the comments thought it was Dora the Explorer.
- Bye bye.
- Did you see it?
That's her hairstyle.
- Okay, what about you?
Wait, you don't have a story?
No?
- No, I don't have a story.
Okay, no crazy inspection where there were people there in the house or some shit?
No.
Okay, fantastic.
What about you?
I mean, I don't have any stories that I've heard, but, like, I have...
Come on, man!
No, I have a couple...
No, I have a couple...
No, yeah, I do.
I have a couple personal ones.
Yeah, not that I've heard from friends, but I have a couple personal ones.
So I guess the craziest thing that I've seen, when I was in Cancun, there was this girl that just flashed, like...
I was in a club, and, like, this girl just flashed her titties out of nowhere.
That was, like, the craziest...
No, no, no, not me.
Not me, no.
Somebody else.
I feel like that's crazy.
That's not crazy.
In the club?
To just splash your titties all out there?
In the club?
Yes.
I've never seen that.
Not in Miami.
I've never seen her in Miami.
That was in Cancun.
all the time don't let me hold on that was the craziest one I have a couple others no no no she don't No, that was the craziest one.
I feel like the other ones are a little less.
Man, this is the most like...
So I'll get into the first question.
Alright, we'll start hearing their work our way, alright ladies?
It's gonna take some thinking, maybe going down memory lane a little bit here, but...
Have you ever been criticized on a personal flaw on a first date by a man?
I'll give it a second here.
On a first date?
Yeah, so I'll say it one more time because I know this one's getting out.
You're going to have to dig deep.
It's a deep question.
But have you ever been criticized on a personal flaw on a first date by a man?
And if the answer is no, the answer is no.
I'm just...
We're just curious.
So we'll start here.
Yeah, not on a first date.
Never on a first date?
Yeah, because I feel like they're trying to be on a good side.
Yeah, basically.
They're not trying to fuck up.
Okay, what about you?
Yeah, I don't think on a first date.
Never on a first date?
No.
Okay, what about you?
No, not on a first date.
But I've had people be transparent in general.
Okay, don't worry, I'll get there.
But on a first date, no.
Yeah, no.
Okay, what about you?
Nope.
Not what you can think of.
Okay.
What about you?
Nope.
No?
Okay.
So, my next question is, have you ever been critiqued by a man that you were seeing in a romantic sense?
It can be, maybe I would just have a sex, could be you guys were in a serious relationship, all levels.
But have you ever been critiqued by a man that you were in some type of romantic relationship with?
Not guys in a friend zone, a guy that you're in a romantic relationship with.
The answer could still be no if needed, but if yes...
Just say yes, and then we'll get into why.
Yeah.
You have.
Okay.
What about you?
I don't know if I would call it, like, critiqued, but, like, yeah, I don't think so.
Okay.
Don't worry.
We'll clarify here in a second.
Yeah, sorry.
So you think it could...
Okay.
What about you?
Possibly.
Have you?
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
What about you?
Yeah, my hair sometimes.
Okay.
No.
Never.
Okay.
Are you saying like physically or like?
Any character flaw.
Oh, yeah.
Of course.
It could be looks, character flaw, whatever.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you have it.
Okay.
What was that critique?
We'll start here and then work away.
Yeah, I mean, nothing to do with the physical, but I guess like the way I am.
I don't know.
What was the critique specifically?
Annoying?
Yeah, basically.
Like sometimes I could be a little bit controlling.
Okay.
Tell us specifically how.
What was the critique specifically?
Like, I'm always, like, wanting to know where he's at.
Oh, you're on his ass.
Like, and I like to, like, I like when you over-communicate, I guess.
I like to, yeah, I like to know what you're doing, like, where you're at.
You calling on FaceTime?
Where you at, babe?
No, no, no, I don't, I'm not that, like, not that, not to that extent, but.
Okay, so controlling and being, talking too much.
You said communicate.
I want him to over-communicate with me.
There were certain situations where he went somewhere and I'm like, I didn't know that you went.
I don't know.
I guess I'm a little controlling in that sense.
A little?
I want to make sure I interpret this correctly.
Not necessarily being controlling, but wanting to always know where he was and talking to him about that.
Basically, you want to talk too much.
Like his whereabouts, I guess.
Knowing of his whereabouts.
What about you?
I said no.
Never?
Okay.
Cool.
What about you?
What's the question?
What was the critique that the guy gave you that you were in that relationship with?
You said a second ago, yes.
My hair, I would bleach that shit.
I would bleach my hair and I would be fried as fuck.
Sometimes it would be stringy.
Okay, so you're here.
Just so I make sure I have this correctly, so you would dye your hair and he didn't like that?
And you would dye it often?
Yeah, some guys like it natural.
Okay, and you would dye it what color again?
Any color.
Red, yellow, blue.
Yellow, blue?
Purple.
And he disliked you dyeing your hair, was it because of the look or because it fucked up your hair?
You said something about it being too stringy?
He didn't vibe with it, that's all.
Okay, so strictly from a looks perspective?
Yeah.
He didn't like the way it looked?
Yeah, he didn't like it.
Okay, we'll get there in a second.
What about you?
What was the critique that your guy gave?
One of my past relationships was didn't like how I communicated.
Like, you know, to...
I would try to get clarity or, you know, just kind of squash anything that was in the air.
And, you know, he didn't like confrontation, you know.
Would it be fair to say similar to her?
Are you talking too much and it's annoying?
No.
Her is in regards to location, but yours is in...
More so like, they don't like confrontation.
They don't like hashing things out right then and there.
So that was bothersome to them.
Something that I did because I just like, hey, look, let's talk about it now.
Let's just...
Alright, let's be specific here because women love to be ambiguous.
What was the actual thing you confronted to them on specifically that caused the issue?
We could have had a disagreement.
Let's say, for example, a disagreement during that day.
What was the disagreement on?
I don't know.
So clearly it wasn't that important because you can't remember it.
I mean, it wasn't my relationship that I'm in now.
It was an old relationship.
But if I'm...
Okay, I'll give another example.
So if I say, hey, you know, you forgot to take out the trash.
And as a man, you know, he's like, why are you reminding me to take out the trash?
You know, but that could be like a, you know, from my perspective, it's like, you know, it's stinking.
Can you take it out now?
And it's just like, you know, don't tell me when to take it out, you know?
So then the day goes, the day goes, and then now just something so small has kind of like messed up the atmosphere and messed up the vibe of the home.
Okay.
And so me, I'm like, okay, let's just talk about it now.
Let's just debt it.
Would it be fair to say that you nagged him about things that were fairly insignificant and he got annoyed by that, which is why there was issues?
No, I feel like if you're a man, do those manly things.
A woman shouldn't have to...
Tell you?
Yeah.
If it's those simple things, if it's so simple, you won't even have to hear anybody.
But if you know what's thinking, why shouldn't...
It's common sense things.
Common sense things.
Maybe he's going to do it later?
Yeah.
I don't know.
It was a long time ago, y'all.
I'm just giving an example.
Okay, so what was a specific issue with you then?
Like, what did he tell you that I don't like this?
What was the critique he actually gave?
Just, like, not wanting to talk.
Okay, like, you talk too much.
This is annoying.
He didn't say I talk too much.
It was just like, I don't want to talk.
That's effectively what it means.
He just wants to ignore you.
Ignore.
Put it under the rug.
Put it under the rug.
But nothing was said verbally is basically what I'm saying.
Like, hey, you talk too much.
But it's just like, when you bring things up, I don't want to talk about it, basically.
Like, he's okay with the disturbance of the atmosphere in the home.
And I'm not.
So...
That was a fascinating explanation.
Did you guys catch what just happened there?
A little bit.
So that kind of shows the differences between men and female communication.
That's a pretty direct way of telling someone you talk too much and it's annoying.
But she interprets it as you're okay with letting chaos ensue in the house.
See a difference here?
Like, a very interesting dynamic about how women interpret spoken language and word and direction versus how men interpret it.
Like, it's very obvious you talk too much and it's annoying.
But instead of coming to that conclusion, it's, no, you're okay with having chaos going on in the house.
Very interesting.
Okay.
Invisible chaos.
Yeah.
Yes.
What about you?
Definitely.
That doesn't help your point, but okay.
We'll move on, though.
Very, very interesting.
Okay.
What about you?
What was a critique that you got that you may or may not be sure to critique?
No, thinking about that, the one I was thinking of was, never mind, it's not important.
But among a wealth of other things, flaws is having a temper.
Wait, you?
You have a temper?
Can you tell us specifically what he said to you in regards to your temper issue?
Like...
And I have to, like, let me at least just give myself a little bit of credit and just say I have something I've really worked on and I continue to work on.
But it is, you know, it's something.
But was like, in my opinion, I wouldn't think I was yelling, but to him, it was yelling.
And, you know, like, yeah, basically just He didn't...
I know, right?
I don't know how to say it.
So basically, you were talking to him, dating him, but whenever you guys...
No, I was married to him.
Oh, shit.
Well, your husband, whenever you yell at him, it seemed normal to you, but to him it was like you were like overdoing it?
Like I said to him one time...
You're like a hurricane.
You come in here, you're like a hurricane.
I just cleaned this place up.
And he was offended by that.
Where I didn't think...
My family, honestly, they're all from Northern Jersey.
They're like, what's the matter with you?
You know, we talk like that.
Let's not, I guess, you know, validify the issue.
Yeah, that's true.
How about this?
What did he say specifically to you that he had an issue with?
Like, what did he say?
You have a temper problem.
Yes.
You're rude.
You're loud.
What did he say specifically?
Yes, that I have a temper problem.
Yeah.
Okay.
You're rude.
Did he say you're annoying too or no?
No.
Loud.
Okay.
Rude and loud.
Alright.
Okay, so having a temper issue.
What about you?
What was a critique that you got from this male thing that you had a relation with?
That I used to be like really masculine in the things that I said.
So like instead of talking to him, I was just speaking at him.
Oh shit.
Yeah, that was really bad.
I had to fix that.
And then I used to be a pathological liar.
So I felt like...
How do we know that this isn't a lie right now?
No, okay.
But working on our truths and fixing it, I used to just feel like saying the lie was better than the truth because you wouldn't believe it anyway.
What would you lie about specifically?
Just dumb shit.
Like, where are you going?
Where you at?
Yeah, like where I was at.
Let's keep it a thousand.
Were they lies that had to do with some type of issue with infidelity?
No, actually.
I would literally just lie to lie.
I was a straight-up pathological liar.
You would ask me what I did yesterday, and I would probably tell three different people three different stories of what I did.
Would the lie be to prop yourself up as if you did something more productive than you actually did?
Typically that's why people lie.
Pretty much.
Like to give the story a more interesting thing to like, give it a center.
Okay, so would it be, so you would lie for one of two reasons.
It would be either to prop yourself up to be, I guess, higher value than you really are, you're doing something more productive than you really were, or to conceal some level of potentially what could be looked at as infidelity, because you mentioned you would lie about where you were going to your boyfriend.
Which can be misconstrued as you cheating.
Does that make sense?
Right.
Like, I would just lie about, like, simple locations.
So, like, to clarify that, I would lie about, like, if he's asking me if I go into the gym, I'd be like, yeah, but then I would probably go to the mall, like, type shit.
Okay.
So, I guess that's a two-pronged situation where you're, like, lying also to make yourself look good and at the same time about where you're going to be.
Yeah.
Okay.
Interesting.
All right.
Now, Let's ask, now my third question is, who was the person that critiqued you and how long were you with that individual?
It was my late husband and I was with him for two and a half years.
Okay, so your husband.
How long did it take him to make this critique that you're being masculine and talking at him in your lying situation?
For the talking at him, it was like, he gave it two weeks.
He was just like, yeah, I can't do it.
Two years into the marriage?
No, two weeks.
Until you guys dating?
No, two weeks into us dating.
He was like, I'm not going to tolerate you talking at me.
You need to speak to me.
I'm not going to tolerate you giving me commands.
Ask me, what am I doing?
How's my day?
Instead of just throwing it at him.
Okay.
So, two weeks in?
Yes.
He told you that straight up?
Yeah, like two weeks in, straight up.
That was it.
And then the path of, like, the constant lying and everything, he didn't really catch that until it was like two months in.
Okay.
So, roughly two weeks, two months.
Interesting.
Okay, so it was your husband and you guys were together for two years.
But he brought that up two months and two weeks in.
What about you?
Your situation with the temper?
When did he bring it up?
Oh gosh, I can't remember.
It was years ago.
Like how long is it the relationship?
That'll be easier for you to remember.
Yeah, probably like within the first year.
Okay, were you guys actually married or just seeing each other at that point?
No, we were married.
Okay, so y'all were married and you brought that up.
Yes.
Okay.
What about you?
I was married too.
How long did that guy wait to tell you this?
It was towards the end of our marriage.
Okay, so he didn't tell you until the end.
How long was that?
It wasn't long.
It was like a year and five months.
Okay, so one and a half years, he told you.
Yeah.
At that point, were you guys already in divorce proceedings?
No.
You guys weren't?
No, we were kind of like...
I was kind of like giving him another chance at that point.
Okay.
And he still hadn't kind of fixed...
He hadn't fixed...
He did, yes.
On you?
Yes.
How dare him?
Right.
But yeah.
What was the question again?
Stupid!
How long did it take for them to give you that critique?
So you said a year and a half in, when you guys were towards the end of the relationship.
Yes, so I would say probably like...
If I say five months, that fifth month.
That fifth month.
About a year and a half in.
My thing is, who initiated that divorce?
Out of curiosity.
You or him?
I did.
What about you?
Who initiated that divorce?
You or him?
You know, I guess technically it was me.
I don't totally fit the statistics.
Okay.
What about you?
Who initiated that divorce?
You did.
I mean, no one did.
He just passed away.
She did say late husband.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
Who was the person that critiqued you on your hair and how long were y'all together?
We were together for two years.
You was married too?
No, I wasn't married.
Okay, thank God.
That was my first ex, yeah.
Okay, how long did it take him for him to tell you, I don't like you changing your hair every week or whatever?
Like the third time I did it.
How long into the relationship was that?
Like three months into it.
Okay.
What about you?
This is null and void for you because you never had a guy critique you on a first date or in a relationship.
What about you?
It was recently.
Three months in.
Three months.
Is it the guy that you're seeing now?
Yeah.
What did he critique you on?
I just said that I was too controlling.
Oh, he gave you the same critique?
No, I'm talking about him.
Just because it's fresh in my mind, obviously I've had other, but that was just the first thing that came up because it was recent.
And you've been with him, I'm sorry, for four months.
For four months, but he told you how many months in?
Three months in, yeah, recently.
Okay.
Okay.
Now, next question.
Alright, and those that are just joining us right now, basically, we're asking the girls, have they ever been critiqued on a first date?
Right?
Which pretty much no one, everyone said no.
And then the second was, have you ever been critiqued by a lover?
The answer pretty much was yes, across the board, except for you.
And then we asked, what were you critiqued for, and how long into the relationship were you critiqued on this flaw?
Okay.
Okay.
What have you done to change that flaw, if anything?
If you didn't do any changes to it, that's fine.
You can admit that.
Or, what have you actively done to change it?
Start here.
Oh my god, I haven't even gotten a chance.
Give it a chance.
Yeah, I mean, it was recent, so I guess, like, I haven't really been, I've tried not to be as controlling, I guess, since that happened.
Well, trying and doing are two different things.
I mean, it was recent, so, like, enough time hasn't passed for me to, like, for him to see the changes, I guess.
Like, since the last incident, when he brought it up.
Given that critique, that's a pretty night and day difference.
Like, I mean, are you not bothering him as much and texting him as much about it?
No, no, no, not since he brought that up, no.
But like I said, that happened recently.
We've been together for four months, and that was three months in.
So you have made a change?
Yeah.
You don't text him as much about it?
Yeah, no.
You still do, but not as much?
No, I don't.
I don't, yeah.
I don't bother him about it.
So he steps out now and you don't say shit?
He doesn't really, like, honestly, he doesn't really go out or anything like that.
It's just...
So what are you bugging him about?
I don't know.
So you're saying his behavior changed?
No, he doesn't really go out.
It's not like he goes out at night and then he comes home at 3 in the morning.
He's not that type of person.
So he's the same way as you met him?
Yeah.
So, okay, this doesn't make sense.
So you just bug him like for him going to the gym or like?
No, no, no, no.
It's not that.
So what is it?
Guys, it's simple.
She's crazy.
It's not that.
I just like to know of his whereabouts, even if like...
So you just don't have found my location?
No, I don't have his location.
I feel like that would solve a lot of your problems.
He has my location, but I don't have his.
Okay, this isn't making sense because you're saying your issue, which you were critiqued for, is that you would want to know where he was and ask you too many questions.
Yeah, exactly.
Then I asked you, Was it that you stopped doing that?
Or did his behavior change?
No, no, his behavior didn't change.
I stopped doing it.
But like I said, that was recent.
That was probably like a couple weeks ago.
So I haven't, yeah, I haven't bugged him since then.
Okay, so you have changed.
You don't ask.
His behavior hasn't changed.
You just don't bother him.
Yeah, I don't bother asking.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
All right.
Did he give you any consequences?
Like, if you keep doing this shit, you're going to be single?
No.
How did he specifically confront you on it?
No, he just, like, brought it up and he was like, I'm not, like, doing anything, so I don't know why you're, like, basically, like, telling me, like, I should trust him and all this, you know, whatever guys he's saying.
Like, if you trusted me, you wouldn't be, like, all of mine.
Right.
Okay, so he didn't give you, like, an ultimatum?
No, no, no, no.
Like, he just basically was like, yo, I'm not doing what you think.
No, he didn't give me an ultimatum.
So, question, how old is he?
He's 24.
How old are you?
30.
Okay.
Interesting.
Alright.
So, he basically did it a more passive way.
He told you, hey, I'm not doing anything relaxed versus...
Yeah, exactly.
He didn't tell you, like, a negative consequence if you continue to...
Oh, no, no.
He didn't tell me a negative.
No.
He's not going nowhere.
Yeah, she's still bothering that nigga, bro.
Okay.
That's all I hear here.
She's coming back a little bit, but she's still bothering him, bro.
She's 24 years old.
She's worried, man.
Go ahead.
This hasn't been something that a partner has told me in a relationship, but this is something I've realized about myself that I later on fixed, because I think it pertains to this question.
I've realized that to be backfiring to not be someone nagging in a relationship, I don't communicate my feelings, which ends up backfiring because instead of speaking about how I feel or being like, what you did bothered me, I'd rather just shut down and not communicate and be angry, which I realize is not...
Healthy.
A healthy thing.
Not only healthy, but that's annoying as fuck.
Like, let me know why you're upset, because I would hate if somebody did that to me.
Okay, so would that anger manifest in you nagging them inevitably anyway?
No.
It manifested just me, just like, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
And then, like, I'd never bring the situation back up.
Okay, but how would it, because at some point it's got to hit a breaking point.
How would it hit that breaking point?
Would you break up with them?
I mean, it's only been two relationships.
Only one of them has been that situation.
You broke up with them?
Yeah, and then that ended up being multiple things, obviously, you know, collating.
Just so I clarify here, because anytime I interject this to...
Clarify.
Yes.
The thing about human beings is they'll tell a story, but they will have things in their head that they're not telling other people so they can understand.
So you would be in a relationship with him.
Things would build up, pent up.
You'd get annoyed.
Instead of talking it out or nagging him, you would just say, it's over.
And he would probably be clueless.
Together, we're both kind of built up animosity towards each other because we're not communicating.
Because we're not communicating.
Okay.
So if he's not...
Because think about it like this.
If I'm not communicating to him what's bothering me, then he's not being like, what's bothering you?
Then I'm not...
That conversation has never happened.
Who initiated the last breakup?
You or him?
It was kind of mutual.
No, genuinely.
There's always one part of the initiative.
It was an argument that initiated the breakup.
Okay, who initiated the argument?
I think I did, but technically he initiated the breakup, but I just blocked them afterwards to not get, like, I'm not one of those, like, if we break up, we're not getting back together, so, like...
Okay, so you would say that it was you not communicating, and then what was the second party, the second one you were going to say that why ended?
Same situation?
No, that was a mutual situation that ended on the good terms, but that's what I was saying, that was, there's only been two serious relationships.
The first relationship was where that That situation occurred, which is why from there I learned that I needed to communicate.
Not nag, but communicate to be able to tell like, hey, I am upset about this.
My future for relationships, of course, yeah.
No, but I mean the second relationship.
That one ended on mutual terms.
So yeah.
I moved.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
That one ended on mutual terms.
So, like, that wasn't, like, we didn't have problems.
Okay, because someone always initiates the breakup.
No, yeah, that one, we moved.
That's why I said it ended on mutual terms.
Like, we moved.
I moved.
You broke up with him because you moved.
Yeah, you moved.
So, you broke up with him.
I guess you could say that.
Yeah, okay.
Typically, the girls in a relationship with a guy that she loves, admires, respects, like, she don't give a fuck about her job.
She's staying.
I'm 22.
I get that, but you initiated it is what I'm trying to say.
Yeah, I know, but, like, I get if I was maybe, like, 27 or 25 and, like, in the age to be, like, settled down fully and, like, in my career, but I wasn't in a settled career.
So, like, there was no, like, sit here and do nothing.
Like, I haven't finished my schooling.
I haven't had a set career path.
So there is no, like, what am I following this man to do to just be Did he have his shit together?
Yeah, he did.
But I didn't.
So that didn't make sense for me to stay and have no shit together and stay with this person.
Do you think you having your shit together would have changed his attraction for you, realistically speaking?
He still had attraction for me, but again, I moved.
I feel like if I was in an older, more well-done space where I had financials, work, all that stuff.
You think men actually care about these things, though?
No, but the age gap...
The reason why I say in this situation, yes, is because there was an age gap.
So I feel like...
He was older than you?
Yes.
So I feel like if I didn't have anything to my name and I was just a young girl in his presence, it's kind of like, you're basically my sugar daddy.
We're not in a relationship.
So if I have something to my name, I have a degree.
I have something towards me.
But would it be fair to say that the fact that he was in a relationship with you in the first place actually axes that out?
But that's not marriage.
That's how marriages work historically.
You can date someone and not want to marry them.
I would argue that he was with you in the first place, which proves right then and there that your career really didn't matter because he took you as you were.
Of course, in the dating sense, but would he have taken me as a wife and a provider, like a second form of provider for his home?
Was that a conversation?
And we did have a conversation, but again, I moved, so none of that was...
Prior to you moving, what was the conversation as far as long-term?
Were you guys just kind of like...
It was becoming a long-term thing, like a long-term relationship where we were actually speaking about property.
He had multiple properties, housings, things like that.
So we were speaking about a long-term place for where he was going to be staying for work and things like that.
Is that well-established financially?
Yes, very well-established financially.
I'll be honest with you.
He probably would have provisioned and taken care of you anyway because men in general, especially men that have money, don't care about a woman's money.
It's just that you kind of wanted to prioritize your career and earning your own money.
Of course.
Over the relationship, which is why it ended.
But I guarantee had you stayed, more than likely probably would have provided for you because he was in a relationship with you in the first place.
Of course.
But my thing is, I'm 22.
Let's say he gets tired of me or whatever the situation is.
Before you even get into that, that's a typical self-manufactured problem that women put in their head that I don't have anything to my name.
Well, the reality is that men rarely, if ever, initiate breakups.
It's women that do.
I think the thing is, if I may, is...
And that's a fact, statistically speaking.
Women initiate an overwhelming amount of breakups.
Yeah, but it's also...
Oh, go ahead.
You were saying something.
I'm sorry.
I was just going to say, like, relationships are like a...
They should be a faith thing, you know?
Of course.
You shouldn't really go into it.
Like, people have all these expectations and people try to finagle this end goal in their mind.
But, I mean, you go in and you don't know what...
Of course.
You know, you're in it right then and there.
And so that's how people don't understand that.
And I do see some of the comments saying about marriage and divorce and stuff like that.
We're in a generation right now where they kind of don't even believe in that.
People don't even believe that marriage exists no more, you know, but love does exist, you know, and we have, yeah, right.
You got, you have people right now who are Fantasizing that independence is a thing and, you know, you have people who are listening to the music and who are...
My only thing was, just so I can make my last point, my only thing was, yeah, we can say things are based on faith, but the reality is if, let's say, that relationship did end up, let's say we did go far enough to marriage and it ended up not working out, I would not have been left with anything.
Not really.
No, I wouldn't have.
He would have made me sign a prenup.
Let's be so honest.
I would have signed a prenup.
I would have been okay with signing a prenup.
Did he tell you that he was going to make you sign a prenup?
His first wife signed a prenup.
Okay, so you think that you were also going to get a prenup?
He would have been dumb to not give himself a prenup because of the financial situation he was in.
He owned a lot of his properties.
He owned his own business.
He owned all these things to his name.
It makes no sense financially.
And if I was in his position as a woman or a man, like, it doesn't matter.
And men will say women's finances don't matter.
If I was a woman in his position, my man would have to sign a prenup.
So there's no not signing a prenup.
I'm afraid to say that you kind of already made your mind up that the relationship wouldn't last, which is why you even had the idea that if I got to sign a prenup, the shit ain't going to last.
No, I know I was going to sign a prenup.
Prenup does not matter.
But here's the thing.
If I do sign that prenup, let's say that relationship, whatever the outcome is, whatever it is that make, because let's say, let's be real.
50% of marriages end up in divorce, whatever the reason being.
Yeah.
If I would have ended that marriage, I would have been 20-whatever with no degree, no career, no anything, living in a place where I don't even own the house that I'm living in and I don't even own the bathroom that I'm wiping my ass.
Key word, you said that you would be the one to initiate the divorce.
See the problem there?
I didn't say I would be.
I said in the case of a divorce.
Oh, well, most divorces are initiated by women.
Okay.
So why not just make it work?
What if it was infidelity that was the reason I initiated divorce?
Well, marriage is...
You still met on your end.
Okay, but let's say that was a respecting and a boundary we set at the beginning of the relationship and then at that end you ended that boundary.
You crossed that boundary and I let you know.
That's still a personal decision I can make whether I sign a prenup or not to be in...
Continuously be in a relationship with someone.
Yeah, but that's an unrealistic boundary that women don't understand and don't necessarily...
Quite frankly, they're not qualified to enforce.
And I'll tell you why.
Men that have status of money worked really hard to earn that status of money.
And you can't tell a guy how he wants to enjoy his success.
And a lot of times that means other women.
The only reason I say that is because the reason he initiated his first divorce, which he initiated his first divorce, is because his ex-wife cheated on him.
Infidelity was a thing for him.
Infidelity for a female is not the same as infidelity for a man.
When a woman cheats on a man, it's effectively treason to the highest degree.
And hold on, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
What do women have to bring to a relationship versus what do men have to bring to a relationship?
It doesn't matter.
I'm saying in my personal, but here's what I said in the beginning.
What I said is if I set a boundary and we agree to a boundary, regardless of whatever statistics are, regardless of what men's dynamics are and women's dynamics are, we have that boundary set.
And that's an agreement between A and B. So when you disrespect that boundary, I have that decision whether women initiate divorce, whatever the statistics are, to continue to stay in a relationship with someone that's going to continue to disagree with that boundary and cross that boundary or move on with my life and do whatever I want.
I'm 22.
I have that option.
But I have that option.
I'm not 27.
I'm not 30.
I'm not 40.
I don't have the...
Answer the question.
What was the question?
Go ahead, Maureen.
Well, go ahead, Chris, because you had it.
No, no, no.
No, your question.
So, it's understanding, right?
Between the two parties.
But we're just saying, as a man, you have to pay the bills, be there for your wife, and as well, satisfy her.
You just gotta, like, not cheat.
Okay, which is why I didn't want to just have that role of just not cheat.
Because now, if I'm just a 22-year-old sitting in your house, you have the right to cheat on me.
I have nothing to tell you.
We gotta bring it back.
Why you even brought that up?
The reason why is because you said that he ended his relationship before because of infidelity.
Yes.
And what we're saying is that Yeah, I get that.
But see, that's how privileged you are.
You don't even understand that that guy that you're with was in the top 0-0-0-1% of men.
He was probably a multi-member, probably successful, probably had multiple businesses.
He was a real estate investor.
He wasn't a real estate investor.
You quite literally just said he had properties.
I said he owned properties.
He worked in IT. If you own properties, you are an investor.
No, those were his properties in his name.
He didn't have anyone rent them through.
He didn't make money off of them.
He just owned properties.
He's still an investor by virtue because it's appreciating.
The property is going up in value and he owns it.
So by him having it, he is investing.
I mean, he might choose to invest in a different way where he's not getting the consistent cash flow.
He works in IT. That's where his money is in stocks and stuff like that.
But that is still an investment.
The fact that he owns that property, it is appreciating.
So he is still getting money to some degree.
It might not be realized because he's not selling it and he's not getting cash flow, but he's still an investor.
had to bring a bunch of things to the table that you may or may not be aware of, while you didn't have to bring as much to the table.
So what I'm saying is that women in general aren't asked to bring much.
So when a man does say, I don't want you to be a hoe and infidelity, that has a lot more weight because men don't ask for as much.
Exactly.
Versus for men, on the other hand, since we have to bring so much to the table, a woman can make a concession on a certain thing that might not be checked.
For example...
If a man is ugly, but he has money and status, et cetera, some girls look the other way and still get with them because he accomplishes something that's more important.
But with women, it's not the same way.
So what I'm saying is that you try to conflate his infidelity with a female's infidelity, and I'm saying it's not the same.
And that's why I said I would not be and marry into a relationship where a man is bringing so much in and I'm not contributing.
That's why I said in the beginning.
And you think it's because you don't have as much leverage, I guess, in that situation?
No, because like you said, he's providing everything for me.
So what am I to tell you what to do with your life?
By default, you have no leverage.
Exactly.
I don't consider it leverage if we're both equals in a relationship.
That's the difference.
Equal.
That's the difference.
You guys are not equal.
That's what I said.
We're not in this relationship.
We're not equal.
That's what I mean.
In this dynamic, we are not.
But any relationship you get into won't be equal.
Realistically speaking.
Yeah, realistically it won't be equal, but dynamic wide leverage, someone won't have, the leverage dynamic is not as large as a gap as someone, like for example, if you're dating someone in the 0.0%, you're not, you know, like you can't really tell a man like that what to do with his life, finances, money, anything.
He's earned that status.
I would argue that the more leverage a man has in a relationship, typically the happier the woman is going to be.
Does that make sense?
Can I answer?
I thought she was answering your question.
What did you want to address specifically?
Because we've got to get back on topic here.
I was just about to piggyback off what you were talking about.
About men having leverage in a relationship?
Yeah, and just that percentage.
Certain people...
Stop talking to certain people because they don't have enough.
There's guys who can't provide for their families like that.
When you come across that person who can't provide for you, it's crazy that that's not even enough.
It's not that it's not enough.
I wasn't.
No, no.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, enough, you know, for just, you know, don't take offense, but that it wasn't enough for you because, you know, you have people out here who, for example, do love somebody and it doesn't work out because, you know, that man is financially struggling and he can't provide for her.
And so it's just causing turmoil in his mind because now he's giving her that backlash.
Mm-hmm.
So then you have a man who can provide, and then it sucks because you have women who can't even appreciate that.
because, you know, I'm just looking at it from a point where, for example, my marriage ended because he could not financially provide and that was fucking up his head and it was fucking up what we had, you know, so I'm just saying.
You're confusing the audience, but I'll summarize Basically, you had a golden nugget, and I don't know why you left it when a majority of men can't financially provide for you the same way that this guy did, and you had the elective ability to work, so why did you go ahead and chase a career in another state when you could have stayed with this man and worked another job?
Fair?
That's what you were trying to say in a kind of disjointed way, but like you had an opportunity of a lifetime with a guy that was higher earning, you know, literally getting every girl's name up, you don't have to work, and you walked away from a guy that could have provided for you.
I understand your point.
Stupid!
Yeah, I mean, that's a personal decision that she's making.
I mean, I just think, statistically speaking...
Trust me, it's not the only one I'll find.
I mean, you're 22.
Well, you got to remember finding him and then keeping him are two different things.
Exactly, but I choose to leave.
You're stupid.
That's fine.
You'll understand later.
Chris.
Hey, I'm going to call it how it is.
Hey, listen.
I think it's just a small case.
Seven years from now saying I'm 30 years old trying to find a man, all right?
Yeah, finding those men are far and few between.
I guess, and let me make sure I clarify that.
Finding them and being able to retain them as a girlfriend like you did is far and few between is my point.
But that's fine.
I mean, you preferred your independence over being dependent on a man that was higher status, which is cool.
I would argue that that's not a smart decision given the current dating marketplace and how hard it is to find these guys to want to commit to you.
But, you know, maybe you'll get lucky and strike gold twice.
Who knows?
So going back to the original question, did you make changes to the behavior criticized from the guy?
And in your case, it was dyeing your hair, correct if I'm not mistaken?
Yeah.
No, I didn't change myself.
You did not?
Okay.
Why did you not change yourself?
Because I didn't feel like it.
I felt like it was my choice.
Okay.
And you were in a relationship with that guy for two years, if I'm not mistaken?
Yeah, it was two years.
So did he break up with you after that?
No, he stayed with me.
Okay.
Would it be fair to say that a part of the reason why you didn't change is because you knew he wouldn't go anywhere?
I guess so.
Okay, alright.
What about you?
Did you make the changes to the behavior that you were criticized on?
No, because I'm a communicator, so I feel like if you're a communicator, you know, you...
But didn't you communicate that you were being annoying?
For that relationship, it didn't work.
No, he didn't say I was being annoying.
He did not like conflict.
That was his...
No, he said that basically in a nutshell.
Okay, for a man, that's what he's saying without saying it, yes.
And so I'm saying no, I did not change that way about myself because I like to communicate.
I like to clear the air.
Over-communicate.
How was I going to think?
How was I going to think?
Ask her!
She said it earlier!
No, because she was wanting to know his whereabouts.
What she's saying is if there's a problem, she wants to talk it out and resolve it, but he's just shut down.
He doesn't want to talk about it.
I like to clear the air.
I want to move on with my day, basically.
You said you like to clear the air.
Right.
He was saying, is that something that I changed?
No, she didn't.
Like, you didn't want to go to bed, like, mad at him.
Yeah, I wanted to go to bed mad at him.
She wanted to hash it out, and he just wanted to not talk about it.
Life's too short for all that, you know, but to each his own.
But wouldn't it be fair to say that he never actually held a grudge?
That's why it was insignificant to him, but yet you held the grudge, which is why you had to talk it out and get verbal clarity, affirmation, or clarity, as you would say?
Actually, no.
It was actually him that was mad.
That doesn't make sense.
Remember I was talking about disturbing the atmosphere in the home, right?
So if I'm saying like, hey, would you mind just something so simple like, hey, you forgot to take the trash out.
He's upset that I told him Can I ask a question?
Let her finish, please.
He's upset that I asked him.
I'm just giving an example and I'm going back to my example.
And basically what I'm saying is He's now upset for my approach.
And so the whole day is just basically blown because of that small scenario.
Was it before or after he told you to stop nagging him?
Him getting angry about it?
It was before.
Okay.
And then you brought it up.
Hey, you have this pent-up anger anytime I tell you something.
What's the situation?
He said, I don't like that you bring it up all the time.
Yeah, so if I try to bring it up to kind of hash it out.
Yeah, you kept bringing it up that I want to continue to hash things out.
Let me ask you this.
No, no, no, no.
I do it once.
You said you didn't change.
No I'm not trying to like tricky guys like that.
I'm I'm asking very direct questions and trying to get a good answer.
You triggered my trap card!
Because here's the thing, ladies.
You're answering the question, you give me an answer, and then I go based off what you answer, and then you're like, wait, wait, hold on, no, no, no.
Wait, but I'm asking you to ask me the question because you asked me something and I was trying to elaborate.
I said...
Did you change when given the critique, right?
Why or why not?
And then you're saying, I did not change, right?
Based on the critique.
And then you're explaining kind of why you didn't change and how it would, I guess, show itself.
Right.
Because basically, you were asking me, like, what I get?
Am I clearing the air because I was, like, mad or something?
And I was basically saying that...
No, you said your boyfriend was mad.
Or, sorry, your husband was mad because you would clear the air all the time.
Right, right.
But, you know, if I bring it up that one time and he doesn't want to talk about it, I don't bring it up anymore.
It's just that...
But you might bring up another topic, which is similar.
Or you would just walk away and not talk to him the whole night.
No, he doesn't want to talk.
We're not going to talk.
I can't make anybody talk.
Me?
Will I get mad?
Yeah, because you'll nag him, and then you'll be like, you know what?
He ain't going to do it, and then you'll sit in your own corner, and that's how I feel like how you are.
You'll just not want to nag him afterwards.
Yeah, yeah.
I'll just leave it.
Okay, let me ask you this.
So you said you didn't change, and that's fine.
You kind of kept going because you thought it was important to be able to talk things out.
He didn't.
Did he leave you after you continued to nag him?
No.
He didn't?
Because you initiated the divorce, obviously, right?
Yes.
Well, yes, we got a divorce because, you know, he was messing around.
Okay, so he cheated on you and he was doing this stuff.
Right.
So, for you, you were already annoyed because he didn't want to talk to you, and then he cheated on you, which I guess that's the straw that broke the camel's back?
Yeah.
You said I'm leaving now?
Yeah, there was just no communication.
And you can't make anybody communicate with you.
The relationship I'm in now, we communicate a lot.
And that's the difference from my previous relationship.
Would it be fair to say that a reason why you did not change and or stop is because you knew he wouldn't leave you?
I don't know.
I mean, if someone tells you that they dislike something and you continue to do it, I would say by you continuing to do that action, clearly there's no fear of consequence.
Fair?
I mean, you could say fair.
I didn't think down that line of leaving, you know, anybody leaving or anything like that.
That's why you continued the action that was undesirable from him.
You can say that, yeah.
Because typically, if someone doesn't change their action after they're told, hey, I don't like this behavior, and the person continues that behavior, it clearly means they're not concerned with the consequences of continuing said behavior.
Now, okay, let me clarify.
If we're talking about, when you asked me about...
Didn't change.
Are you generalizing?
Because I'm generally speaking.
Now, if we're talking about in that relationship, at that point, I don't...
Yeah, you didn't change in that relationship.
Fair.
In that relationship, when he voiced it, I left it alone.
So let me clarify on that.
Let me clarify about...
We were already, remember I told you how we were already kind of going bad already.
So I kind of just stopped trying at that point.
But if we're talking about did I change in general right now, I'm still a communicator.
You know, I still like to hash things out.
That's what I do in my relationship now.
And it works.
Okay.
So this guy that you're with now is okay with that.
The other guy wasn't okay with that.
Correct.
And you're saying you didn't really change who you were or change the communicating.
You might have just dialed it back a bit.
Yeah.
Because it was the end of the relationship anyway.
Right.
Still nagged them, maybe not to the same degree.
Correct.
Okay.
All right.
And a part of the reason why is because you weren't worried about consequences, which is cool.
Fine.
All right.
What about you with...
With the temper?
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So did you change your behavior when critiqued on it with your husband?
Yes.
Well...
And just to remind the audience real fast, it was that you were loud and you would yell at him.
Temper.
Well...
Temper problems.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I would say that at its heart.
I mean, I think what the issue as I worked through it more was more of, it was not a good situation.
And I know I don't want to go into details.
Well, just so we stay on track here.
When he voices concerned, did you actually, yeah, it's a very simple yes or no.
When he actually voices concerned that you are speaking to me in a rude way, you're yelling or whatever, you have a temper issue in general.
Did you change right then and there, yes or no?
It was something that I really tried to work on.
And I have improved on it.
But did you do it?
You tried, but did you actually accomplish it?
Yes, many times, yes.
Okay, so you stopped with the temper issue.
Well, no, not completely, no.
But it was something that I feel like I improved on.
Okay, so you still had temper issues, but it was, I guess, reduced.
Definitely, yeah.
So you still, here and there, would have temper problems with him?
Well, it wasn't so much...
I know.
Have you ever had a dream that you had you like you could do so?
Yeah, I think this exercise, this question really demonstrates how difficult it is for women to take some, you know, retrospect and like be able to, okay, this is why I fucked up.
Did I actually do it or not?
And I get it because women are self-preservation creatures.
All human beings are.
But, um, so, okay.
You did work on it, but you didn't completely eliminate it.
Yes.
Okay.
And I mean, I just want to say, like, To a woman, you know, there's so many...
Oh my gosh!
You keep messing up my thoughts.
Anyway, I don't want to...
You know what?
I have to give you credit.
It's hard for us women to get it out.
It's like pulling teeth, so...
Oh my gosh!
Okay, let's move on.
I think the simple answer is she did eliminate...
Yes, but she produced it, but she didn't eliminate it.
Yeah, she tried to.
Yeah, she tried to.
It wasn't that easy.
And then what ended up...
You said you initiated the divorce.
Was it a part of it because he voiced his concern with you?
No, no.
Absolutely not.
And this is something that...
I hope you let me get it out.
The divorce was horrific.
It's something that knowing we have a daughter and everything.
For it to have gotten to that point, it was...
Oh my gosh, I'm trying so hard to ignore it.
Sorry, sorry.
Keep going.
So, for me to have gotten to that point, I was really left with no choice.
And I know women always say that and stuff.
It was a unique situation.
And, I mean, I have to think about it.
Like, I basically...
Now, I don't really have any options because I... Alright, let me...
So, you said you...
Just so I can make sure I have this and it's all organized.
So...
This is that bad.
Sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Okay.
Let's get serious, guys.
So going back, the criticism that your ex-husband gave you was that you have a temper issue with maybe where you speak to him as disrespectful, loud, whatever it may be.
You took it in, you improved on it, but you did not eliminate it.
Okay?
And then the relationship ended.
So, would you say that him telling you that I need you to work on your temper, did that contribute to the divorce?
Absolutely not.
It didn't?
Not at all.
So, you initiated it based on what then?
Oh, it's it's a lot to explain.
That's why I'm really I'm not trying to be.
Oh, my gosh.
It was a very complex situation.
And it's how long were you together?
Four years.
OK, and I don't want to say on this because of because of court orders and whatnot.
Did you make more than him?
What's that?
Did you make more money than him?
Did you?
No, I was a stay-at-home mom.
So he made the money?
Yeah.
Okay, so you said that you fixed it a little bit, but you didn't eliminate it.
Did he bring it up again after?
Like, hey, you're still having a temper issue?
Did you still bring it up?
I don't know if he brought it up like that.
So there was one time that you remember he had the issue and he never really brought it up overtly again.
I don't really know if he ever completely brought it up overtly.
It was something that I would be like, I don't like that about myself even.
Wait, I'm confused now.
So did he bring it up?
Did you bring it up?
What did you notice to yourself?
So the very first time that he told you that you have a temper problem, I mean, that seems pretty direct to me.
Did he tell you that?
No, he didn't.
But I'm just reading between the lines.
Have you ever had a dream?
No, ma'am.
Because the question was, did someone tell you?
Did you find out for yourself?
You want to tell you so much you could do anything?
I'm sorry.
I'm dreaming!
Since he didn't overtly tell you that you have a temper problem, how did you come to that conclusion then?
If he didn't tell you.
How did you come to that?
Because I didn't like where I was going.
Like, my emotions were so intense and...
Chris, man.
Go ahead.
Your emotions were so intense and what?
It was really difficult.
When you feel pushed to a certain place and you don't know how to handle it because it's so overwhelming.
I know you're trying not to laugh.
No, I'm legitimately listening very deeply so I can understand here.
When there's a dynamic that is harmful and You're not in a good situation, and you're trying to be heard, and someone's not hearing you, and the behavior continues, you escalate.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's...
So, can I just paraphrase it?
So, unfortunately, you don't have proper control of your emotions.
Exactly, exactly.
But I didn't have control of my emotions.
But he never told you this, you just kind of came to that realization that I have a temper problem after.
I mean, I don't think he came right out and said it.
Yeah.
It was something I guess I could come to on my own.
Yeah, but that's what I asked.
Like, what was the critique?
That was the whole basis of the question is like, what is the critique that your partner gave to you?
I'm sorry.
I was trying to think of, you know...
I was trying to think.
See, that was the problem.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Don't think no more.
Just speak.
Okay.
What about you?
That critique, did you make changes to the behavior that was criticized?
In your case, it was being masculine and talking at males, at your partners?
Yes.
How did you do it?
I don't understand.
I use YouTube.
Like, because I never really came from, like...
Or I've never really seen, I would say, proper examples of like not to be very masculine, and especially growing up in Miami, it's like very slim.
So I would just use YouTube on like how to...
What did you watch specifically?
Femininity videos, like how to tap into your femininity, how to...
Oh wow.
Just...
How long did you do that, watching femininity videos?
It took me about a good six months to properly address him and how he felt comfortable.
Okay, so you did this while you were in a relationship with him actively?
Yes.
Okay.
And then how did you get over the pathological lying?
I just cut it out.
Honestly, it was just a thrill thing for me.
It was more so a type of a high thing, so it was just like, all right, let it go.
How'd you cut it out?
That was a difficult habit to kick.
I backed it up with proof.
Like at that point, I just backed everything up with proof.
So if I went, I'm going to take a picture.
If I did not go...
Did you personally make that rule for yourself or did your husband tell you you need to make that, like, show proof?
No, I made it for myself.
You made it for yourself to keep you from lying.
Yeah, I genuinely wanted to put the work and effort into change within myself.
So it was like, fine, I'll figure out a way.
I'll do my research, figure out a way how and cut it out.
Did you also watch YouTube videos on stopping being a pathological liar while also watching the femininity videos?
Both, yeah, at the same time.
Okay, so you did them at the same time.
Okay, interesting.
Was that a tip that one of those videos gave you to take pictures to verify what you're doing as kind of a mental cue to tell the truth?
No, it was really just my own thing.
It would really help me.
That's a good strategy.
That's why I asked that.
Yeah, in order for someone to know that I'm not lying, I'm going to take a picture of it or send you a type of proof that I did it.
Was there any dramatic experience that caused you to change?
Anything at all?
No, because I feel like he addressed it before it could have gotten to that.
Okay.
She did mention that.
He only mentioned it three months in.
Smart man.
Okay.
And he noticed it right away.
Let me ask you this, because it seems like you took really overt steps to change and combat these problems.
Did he give you a negative consequence if you did not stop?
Did he tell you, if you don't stop lying and all this, you are going to be single?
Did he give you some kind of negative consequence?
No, but I already knew it.
It was at the door.
I knew it.
The type of man he was, I knew if those things did not either cut out within a certain time span or cut out very much immediately.
It was pretty much unspoken.
If I didn't show him a certain type of change, It was unspoken, literally.
You know, I don't know if you guys noticed it.
And the reason why I kind of asked this line of question.
I see where you're going.
You see where I was going?
Yeah.
It's very...
You know what?
Let me ask another question.
Do you think women get enough criticism in the modern day world for their deficiencies in general?
Yes or no?
No.
No?
Okay.
What about you?
No.
No?
What about you?
No.
No?
What was the question?
Do you think women in general receive enough criticism on their faults?
I feel like they should get more.
You think they should get more?
Okay.
So it's not enough?
I think they do in this era.
I think they do.
Really?
Yeah.
But you've never been criticized.
You said by someone in your relationship with.
No, specifically when I asked the question before, but not speaking in general.
Oh, in general.
Everyone gets criticized, no?
Do you think women get criticized to the same level that they...
Let me rephrase.
Do you think women get criticized to the level that they actually take the introspection to change for the better?
Those are two different questions, no.
No.
Those are two different questions.
It's the same thing I said in general.
Because criticisms typically are supposed to stimulate change.
Can I say why?
Yeah, sure.
Go ahead.
Why I believe this.
I'm speaking only because I'm Haitian, so I grew up ethnically Haitian.
Yes, sir!
So a lot of Americanized things I learned as I was growing up, there were not things that were naturally...
Common in my culture with my cousins, with people that I was kind of looking up to.
So the way that Americanized cultures work and the way that foreign cultures work are not the same, especially in the way that household dynamics are, the roles that women and men have.
So that's why I'm saying in this era, I believe, yes, because we're looking at the modern women era, as we like to call it, this modern women era.
Yes, and they're not criticized enough in the modern era as No, yes, that they are becoming criticized in the common era.
This is the era where they are starting to become criticized, not only because social media gives us a platform to criticize people, but also a lot of the stuff that we talk about, whether it be economics, whether it be finance, whether it be anything, it's on social media, it's on the internet.
So this is where we're having conversations.
Conversations like Black Lives Matter, conversations like political things, they're all happening on the internet.
So we're starting to have these conversations.
I understand that, but do you think women are criticized?
Yes, they are.
Like you said in your second question, do you think they're criticized enough to change?
That's a different question.
No.
You can make the argument that they're not criticized enough if they're not changing.
You know why I say no?
Because there's a lot of really evil things that happen in this world.
Governments that do really evil things in other countries that we criticize on a global level and they're still done.
So does that mean we're not criticizing them enough?
Well, here's the thing.
Typically when criticism comes, it's to stimulate some kind of change because you can't have the uncomfortable conversations.
To stimulate.
We're at the stimulation level.
We're not at the actual action level.
That's what I mean.
Well, I mean, if we're going to, the intersexual dynamics between men and women and geopolitics are two different things.
Of course, of course.
I don't think we can conflate that.
No, no, no.
You mentioned how other countries are doing evil things.
No, but I'm saying you said in the meaning of dynamics.
So, like, if we continue to criticize these things, then they should have attention drawn to them, which means change should come.
There are a lot of things that we draw attention to, which is why I use that.
I'm not trying to say that those two things are one and one.
What I'm saying is there are a lot of things that we Globally, hundreds of thousands of millions of people bring attention to, but nothing is done to them.
So does that mean that we're not criticizing that thing enough?
What I'm saying is, I think we are starting to criticize women in this era.
And though we are not at the point where change has started, they are starting to listen and conversations are being had about femininity, about roles of women in the modern era, about roles of men in the modern era.
These are things that are...
Like, look at this podcast.
This whole podcast is what it is.
Conversations being had that change the...
Basically, the dynamics of culture.
You are culture.
This podcast is culture.
But I would argue prior to this podcast, these difficult conversations were not had with women.
Hence why so many women behave the way that they do.
And that's why I said currently in this era.
But I wouldn't be...
This podcast is it.
But I wouldn't have the hubris to say that we're going to effectively change women.
I wouldn't have that ridiculous...
And that's why I said we're not in that era of changing women.
We're in the era of creating conversations and bringing awareness to it.
Regardless, we're just...
I'm not cocky and hubris to the point thinking that this podcast is going to revolutionize the world.
It's making little strides here and there, but not enough people are having these conversations, hence my criticisms of females in general, is that most women aren't criticized about their deficiencies, which is why so many women behave the way that they do.
I think in general, women aren't criticized enough and told what their deficiencies are.
And I think this has been proven time and time again when we bring girls on a podcast where they don't necessarily know what men want.
They're not criticized by the opposite gender as sort of deficiencies within a relationship, which is why I think so many modern day women behave the way that they do.
And quite frankly, most girls are not marriage and or serious girlfriend material because they don't change.
You're not willing to change.
And even when faced with what they need to do to change with men, they still feel as though I'm not wrong.
And that's why I brought up the cultural thing where I said in other cultures, it's not the same as it is, which is why I said the modern woman thing.
I would argue other cultures actually criticize women far more than the rest of us.
That's what I mean.
That's what I said.
You said the same thing differently.
Sorry, you said something completely opposite before.
What I was trying to say is, for example, I'm Haitian.
I grew up Haitian.
The culture of women is they have specific roles in the household.
In certain cultures, if you do not cook, if you do not clean, if you do not provide certain household roles and do them correctly, you are criticized.
You will be chastised by your family, not just your husband, your husband's family and your family.
So that's what I mean.
Modern women may not be criticized to the extent that we need them to be, but to say women are not criticized is...
The only reason I say that's false is because of other cultures.
I'm not speaking about America in general.
That's why I didn't bring up Western.
I'm thinking of other cultures because I am from another culture.
So in my brain, my culture growing up is not the same as how I see my friends growing up in America.
Generally though.
But the cultures outside of America are more in here.
That's why I'm saying in general.
Yeah, I mean, we phrased it pretty much for Western women, right?
This is an American podcast, so you would think, okay, it's...
Okay, that's what I'm saying.
I grew up in a different...
I physically grew up in a different culture, so I saw something else going on.
I understand that, but, you know, I grew up in a different culture, too, but, you know, I come from, you know, a traditional household, two parents, etc., but I would be fairly delusional to think that everyone else operates that way, and I wouldn't use my personal background to substantiate an argument for people being criticized when in reality they're not.
I would argue they're not criticized at all in the West in general to the point where they're to stimulate change.
But we don't want to get off topic here.
What about you?
No, I don't think women are.
You don't think they're criticized enough?
I don't think so.
Alright, real quick.
Fresh, can you hit some of these chats and I'll come back with another thing.
Let's do some chats, guys!
We got Cam 2x says, female logic.
When in doubt, wear less.
Say I'm wrong.
Cinderella lost her shoe and got married.
But girls out here getting half naked and still single.
Okay?
Cam again says, since the girl will admit their body count, everyone guess who has the highest body count on the panel and why.
Guess the number.
Pretty fun.
Let's do it.
Real quick, ladies.
Guess who has the highest body count and you can say why.
And we'll start right here.
Who would you say on the panel has the highest body count and why?
Can we ask a question before we go?
No.
One question?
Okay.
You go first.
Who you got?
I'm gonna go with you.
Really?
Why?
The only reason I'm gonna say that is because Like, you give me, like, you give me, I did it in the dark.
Like, you give me, nobody would know.
Like, literally, no one would know.
I said it earlier.
The dirty librarian.
Yes, she gives me that.
I'm sorry, not to say, but you give me, like, even if you did it, your cat wouldn't know.
Like, that's what you give me.
Okay, okay.
Wow, I don't know how I feel.
Sorry.
You could say me and shit about me.
You did say that earlier.
Okay, what about you?
Who'd you pick and why?
I honestly don't know.
If you have to assume.
Randomly.
Maybe you.
Me?
Yeah.
Because, I don't know, because you a dancer and rappers and she's younger, she's fit and everything.
Okay.
Who would you pick and why?
Park, park, park, park.
So the question is, who has the highest body count and why?
Okay.
You know who it is.
Come on.
Get her ass.
Get her.
Today?
Why her?
Cause she quiet.
You know, she's quiet.
The girl who be quiet.
Okay.
What about you?
Who'd you pick and why?
I think you.
Do you know who was the biggest party girl?
She's not saying that cause I picked so much her.
Wait, why her?
Look, she's a dancer.
I agree.
She's out there.
She's outside.
I ain't outside.
I be at home.
Thank you.
Okay.
What about you?
Who'd you pick?
I was going to say you, but what you said you do, you have too much time to get him for that.
I don't want to call you out, but I thank you.
I'm so sorry, but you're just really pretty.
That's why I'm going to be really honest.
I feel like she would easily get as many men as she wanted.
Not that you are, but that's why that's my answer.
And finally, who would you pick and why?
I was going to say her.
Damn!
The way she's dressed.
You can see her bra and everything.
That's the only reason.
And she's pretty too.
Okay.
I got a follow-up question.
So we're talking about women and criticisms, etc.
So all of you pretty much agreed that women aren't criticized enough in modern day society.
So instead of me talking about it, I want to ask, I'll throw it to you guys.
What are the top criticisms you think modern women need to hear?
Hmm.
We can start here and then work our way back.
Or if someone has an idea right now at the top, we can go to you.
Okay, great.
What are the top criticisms you think modern day women need to hear?
To become better women.
Please, and I'm about to get so much backlash from this, but to my ladies, please do not make your independence everything.
Like, Like, do not make it the center of, like, what it makes you as a woman.
I know that sounds, like, very ridiculous, but it's just, I'm just saying it as, like, don't be like, oh, I don't need a man for this.
I don't need a man to cook.
I don't need a man to clean.
I don't need a man.
But then at the end of the day, you still want to go and have a boyfriend in the bed.
Like, when you say, I don't need, you're literally speaking what you don't need.
And it's like, instead of saying, I don't need, and just saying, well, right now, I wouldn't like that, but if it comes around, that I'll be okay with that.
Because if you literally say, I don't need it, you're never going to get it.
Okay.
Question for you.
Do you think that maybe she should have rethought her decision to leave a guy that was highly successful for a job out of state?
Because you said, don't let your independence be everything.
If that was me...
Okay, keep it a thousand.
She won't jump over and beat you up on the table.
That's fine.
If that was me, considering circumstances I had at hand, I probably would have stayed.
But everybody, that's their own boat, so she can float.
But I would have stayed.
Alright, thanks Pennywise.
She can float.
What about you?
What do you think is the top criticism you would give modern day women to be better?
Oh gosh, there's so many, honestly.
I think that women have become incredibly narcissistic, and I think our Western culture has become incredibly narcissistic as a whole, but particularly women, because there's zero accountability, and they're being propped up, and everything...
I think...
What I would want women to know is that you want to have all the rights without having any of the responsibility.
And you can't have a right without having also taking on the responsibility.
Okay, so can you give us some examples?
Because you mentioned a couple things here.
You mentioned narcissism, rights without responsibility.
Can you give us an example of what you mean by narcissism?
Because that's very broad.
Well, I think this is across the board in our society.
However, I think it is even more so with women.
And it's worship of self, basically, where whatever makes them feel good, whatever they want, they're justified in everything.
There's excuses and justifications for everything.
And it's really detracted from The role of true femininity and the importance that it has and it's really degrading our society.
Okay, worship of self.
And then, so you think that's where the narcissism stems from?
And then when you say rights without responsibility, what do you mean by that specifically?
That girls want rights without responsibility?
Well, I mean, I mean it in a broad way, but you could go to specifics.
I just mean that they want...
You know, they feel entitled to everything without meriting it.
Yeah.
Okay.
You found it made sense.
Okay.
What about you?
What do you think is the top criticism that modern day women need to have?
I would say doing more for the man.
I feel like women want so much from the man but don't want to give.
And what I mean by that, I mean like cooking.
Yes, you want him to buy you all these things.
You want so much from him, but are you helping him take his shoes off?
Are you helping him decompress?
Are you helping him, you know, shit, shower?
It's okay to help him shower, like, you know, or are you massaging him?
Like, just those little things because the weight of the world is on the man.
Okay.
Alright.
So, reciprocating.
What about you?
What do you think?
What is the criticism that more modern-day women need to hear?
Taking care of their emotions.
Okay.
What do you mean by that specifically?
Like...
Take care of the emotions.
That's accurate.
I love her.
When you're going on your period and you're going crazy as fuck and your boyfriend is there, he's looking at you crazy, you need to calm it down and chill out.
She's on her period.
That's an imbalance of hormones.
Well, PMS. I feel like as women nowadays, we could control it more.
How?
How?
I don't know.
I don't know about PMS. I think you mean like in general?
Yeah, but I don't know about specific PMS. Ladies, ladies, let her speak.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Alright, so you're saying control your PMS more.
I mean, like, cramps?
Like, what do you mean like that?
I mean, you said that.
I'm asking you.
No, I'm just asking.
I'm just questioning you.
Oh, she's looking at the girls.
I mean, you said for us women to control our emotions when I'm on my period, if I'm cramping and literally...
Like, yeah, I'm a react, but, like, I don't have to go crazy over it.
Like, I don't have to be screaming at my boyfriend about it.
Can I interject this?
Okay.
The only reason I disagree with that, if you said just in general, control emotions, I think a lot of people just do not have their emotions in general.
We're talking about women, so I could specifically say a lot of women don't have their emotions in general.
They don't know how to communicate.
Their form of communication is either crying, yelling, getting mad, throwing a tantrum.
That happens a lot, but I think specifically during a moment of menstruation where there's a hormone imbalance, I'm not saying that gives you a right to just scream out, latch out, do whatever, but there literally is chemical changes in your body.
I don't think specifically...
Yes, you can say regular emotions don't go crazy if you can control as much as you can.
That's just in general.
But I think specifically what you said, I don't agree with only because I know certain women that genuinely have deathly periods.
My cousin, she literally has to call off four days a month for her period.
She's had five surgeries.
That's what I mean.
That she has a homopathic doctor.
Those people, those emotions they have when they're in pain, they can't.
You know what I mean?
I'm going to tap into that, friend.
I'm just going to put it plain and simple.
That's really like a woman giving birth and you telling her not to scream.
That doesn't make any sense to me.
I mean, a cramps to giving birth is two different things.
No, it's not.
That's literally, once again, a hormonal imbalance.
Two different things.
So contractions and cramps are literally not causing the hormonal imbalance within...
Like, emotion-wise, you could handle your cramps.
Like, you could be like, oh, fuck.
So you're telling women to stop a monthly body function?
No, they could scream when they're pregnant.
Yes, they could scream when they're given pregnancy.
Like, yo, give birth.
But like...
Listen.
That's your body, but for my body, I'm not going to stop mine.
I'm not a woman, right?
I can only imagine having a period and you tell me to just...
To me, it's like a moving train.
Stop the train, huh?
Yeah, but if you got a period, just stay in the bedroom for seven months or seven days or something, man.
Don't be yelling at people, you know what I'm saying?
What if you have a job?
I have a period every month for 12 months.
The only reason I'm disagreeing with what she's saying is because there's a lot of women that genuinely have really bad medical conditions involving their periods.
So to say that, I feel like it's a very...
Let me ask this question because this is actually a very interesting exchange right now.
Would it be fair to say that these women that have this debilitating periods that you guys are talking about are minority of women compared to all women that experience periods?
No.
PCOS is in like over 40% of women nowadays.
What is PCOS? Well, that's still not a majority.
That's 40%.
But that's just PCOS. That's not including any other.
That's what I mean.
So like a lot of women nowadays, and especially because a lot of women are taking birth control, a lot of people are Okay, you can say that.
But we're being, like, a lot of women are taking hormonal birth control to either regulate their periods or they're starting to be able to unregulate their periods because they're causing hormonal imbalance in their body.
How many of you ladies here at the table have terrible periods where you can't control your emotions and you pretty much need to be by yourself to avoid lashing out at people?
Anybody here on the panel?
Not me, but my cousin personally, I've seen her.
That's fantastic.
But how many of you here at the table have the ability, one of you?
The first two days I need to be by myself.
Before I start a meditation.
So you have no control over your ability to reel in what you're going to say, whatever.
You're literally being controlled by someone else?
I'm not saying...
Is that bad?
Not controlled by someone else, but controlled to the point where it...
Because the pain that I'm experiencing is so bad internally, unfortunately, I could let my anger out on the wrong person.
So with that, I want to stay alone.
I would just rather be by myself.
Every woman is different.
So it's going to be difficult for you to control what you may say and you may lash out so you prefer to steal.
Would you say that a majority of women experience that though?
Like that level of period where it's like you can't even be around people?
It's a growing number.
Once again, my experience is different and my household and what I've experienced, it's been that way.
But I'm asking you to step outside of your own shoes and I'm asking you, do you think a majority of women experience that level of period where it quite literally debilitates them from interacting with other people?
Please let her answer.
I'm gonna go with 50-50.
You think 50% of women have periods to that point?
50-50, yeah.
I would agree.
50-50, literally.
I feel like as you grow older, too.
Well, I'm going to back it up because what I've experienced.
So in high school, right?
We've been around multiple, like pretty much 1,000 women, 1,000 males, high school.
I've been around multiple women, or I can say at least at the same time, we've all been experiencing a point of cramp or hormonal changes where it's like, we're going to take a step back and say, I can't do this today.
I mean, here's the thing.
I'm going to have to respectfully push back on you guys a bit because, I mean, if that were the case, that would pretty much be the argument that 50% of women can't operate at all for a couple days of the month because their period is that bad.
They can't go to work, can't be around people, etc.
I don't think that it's as bad as you guys are saying it is.
Yes, it might suck.
It might be painful.
But I think women have more control of it than you guys are trying to say here.
Because otherwise, you're basically saying 50% of women have zero self-control when they're on their period.
Which I think is a very...
That's crazy to say that.
Self-control is one thing.
Being in pain is another.
But how you react to pain is another thing.
I mean, you can make the argument when you go to the gym, you're exercising some level of pain tolerance because you're continuing to exercise.
You choose to get my period.
Yeah, but when you get your period, you can choose how you react to a set period.
But I can't choose the pain tolerance level that I have.
I can't choose my own.
But if I'm not taking medication, I can't choose my natural level of pain tolerance.
Here's the thing.
If you're experiencing a period every single month, It's not the same every month.
Every year of your life, it would be fair to say that you can actually, you know, train your ability to tolerate pain.
No, every period is different.
This month I can be dying and next month I can have a perfect period that I don't even feel.
Okay, so that in itself proves that it's not as consistently as debilitating as you're arguing.
For me, I know women that every single month from the time they were 16 to 30 have had terrible...
So it wouldn't be fair to say that if it's a terrible period that they're experiencing all their life, that they should be able to exercise some level of control.
If it's happening every month, they're being able to train themselves to react correctly.
Just to me, it sounds very ludicrous to say...
50% of women have cramps and pain in their periods to the point where they can't operate.
And then I'm like, well, that can't be true because women are in the workforce, women are in positions of power, women are attending college.
Women, a lot of the times, are in positions where they're competing with men.
So I would argue that there's no way it could be 50% because then that would effectively mean half of women are useless when they're in their period.
Can I say...
I'll go ahead.
I was going to say, can I interject?
I think as someone who has had chronic health issues, you cope with it because you have to.
And so that's just like anything where if it's that severe, you can cope with it to a certain degree.
Your life, you manage it.
However, I think this also speaks to a larger and more important issue of Women not controlling their emotions and not expecting any consequences of their actions.
And for so long we've enjoyed the privilege.
And I believe women are the gentler sex and they should be more...
Men and women aren't the same.
They shouldn't be regarded the same.
So let me just preface it with that.
However...
And women are so used to having that privilege that they just feel like they can do anything and they can go and run their mouth or something.
And they don't have to worry about the same thing that a man would worry about if he was running his mouth.
Does that make sense?
No, because I don't want to know how it pertains to women and their period.
I just don't agree with the period point.
I know how my cycles are each month.
My body gives me warning signs ahead of time.
So, you know, not everyone takes medication, but I take ibuprofen because I'm too busy for my day to be, you know, stopped.
I've had times where I've gone to the grocery store and I can't walk and it is unbearable.
And, you know, I would have to cut my day short, you know, because it's painful.
But I take ibuprofen to avoid my day being fucked up because I have menstrual cramps.
Okay.
And the reason why I even say that, ladies, you guys don't know, I was setting up a trap card the whole time.
Basically...
You triggered my trap card!
I mean, I think she came up with a very valid critique that modern-day women need to do, which is controlling their emotions even in the face of being, you know, in a period that might be painful.
And then...
In typical female fashion, a bunch of you guys went ahead and laughed at her and said, why should women have to control their emotions more when they're on their PMS? It's painful.
They can't control themselves.
But the reality is that half of women have cramps to the point that they can't operate properly.
I think that's a little high because if that were the truth, then that'd be like an epidemic of women not being able to control themselves and they wouldn't be in a position of power.
They wouldn't have all the same equal rights.
And I think women are capable of men, capable of Just as men are.
They're not optimal.
That's my argument.
Women are optimal in a lot of same positions that men are.
But to say that 50% of women experience crimes to the point where they can't control themselves It's kind of crazy.
I don't think we'd be a functioning society the way we were if women were raging lunatics when they had periods and they weren't able to control it.
So I think she has a valid point.
Because what she specifically said was I think women need to not be upset when they're on their periods or something of that effect.
Excuse me if I'm misquoting you.
She said effectively when you're on your period that should not dictate your behavior to the point where you're acting crazy.
The reason why I disagreed with that and then like we said like you said you take ibuprofen.
I know people who go to the hospital during their periods.
Ibuprofen doesn't work for them.
I'm talking about people that literally are having surgeries every six months.
Like you said, your body gives you cues.
I know people who can't do that.
So to say that those people are...
Not able to just be upset.
He was saying 50-50.
50% of people go to the hospital?
No, no, but I'm not saying 50% of women go to the hospital.
I'm saying there is a large amount of women that go to the hospital.
The other parts may not go to the hospital.
They're having interventions with medication.
Let her finish the point real fast.
Generally, most women, if they can't control it, it would be better.
Yeah, they can control during their PMS, but to say that they can't have any emotional outbursts when you're littered, that's just weird to me.
Anyone can have an emotional outburst.
If you're upset, if you're in pain, ask doctors and nurses.
A lot of the people that they deal with in hospitals are yelling and screaming at them 24-7.
Not because they're mean people, not because they're assholes, because they're in pain.
I just want to say this real fast.
I want to break down a third wall.
I don't know if you guys caught it, but this exchange right here proves my point why so many women do not choose to self-improve and or can't take criticisms.
If you guys see, she came with a criticism and a bunch of girls came to the women's defense of what she's criticizing saying, well, that's not true.
There's a minority that experiences blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I would argue this is why women perpetually don't self-improve because for every criticism that is said, there's someone to come in to substantiate poor behavior.
For example, a woman's fat, someone's going to come to her side and say, love your curves, girl.
You're fine the way that you are.
Fuck these assholes.
We're quite literally experiencing that right here, right now.
A couple women on the panel came to the defense of a minority of females that can't control their emotions and make an argument for a minority when the majority clearly can't control their emotions.
That's my point, and that was just proven literally right here in 4K. Perfect!
there you go like I mean I don't know I'll turn it to y'all agree and disagree can I just ask the men in like the room how many of your female you're a natural contrarian can I ask how many men in the room genuinely have regular conversations about their female friends about periods Say that again.
How many men in the room have, like, regular conversations?
I know it's not a thing men experience, but I know there are some men that talk to their female friends about it, just about periods.
Hey, your period this month, like, how many of you are genuinely having it with your female friend?
I'm not having it with a lot of my male friends.
I'm just asking.
Can I go first?
Go on, Chris.
Oh, so you're on a period, though.
I'm sorry for that again.
I haven't asked friends about periods, but let's say I'm dating a chick, right?
For example...
I don't stop by red lights.
But, I'll ask about it because, once again, I want to know how it works.
However, I'll say this.
generally speaking most women that i've talked to or seen have periods that are somewhat good on some moms battle some moms so up to that individual to handle that how they handle it i'm just saying your example of the minority that have these major issues that does happen but it's small minority so the whole discussion of can women control themselves at periods most of them And that's why I disagree with her point.
Most of them can.
So, to say that women can't, like, have any...
She said they don't have control on their periods, which I don't agree with.
No, she said they need to control it.
But you're saying that most women don't have that problem, so how are they not controlling themselves on their periods?
I will be honest to know, personally, that some people do get moody.
You know, like my sister.
She gets moody.
My sister's not like me.
That's a hormone imbalance.
You guys are doing a phenomenal job of moving the goalposts.
The point is, she simply said women need to control themselves Right.
when you're acting crazy, it shouldn't be a drastic change in their behavior versus when they're on their period versus off.
That's what she's basically saying.
Then you guys went ahead and said, "Well, not necessarily because a lot of girls have debilitating periods to the point where it really changes their hormones and they can't control their emotions." And I argued that can't be true because if that was the case, you're basically arguing that 50% of women can't control themselves for almost a week during the month, which I think is disingenuous and kind of insults the intellect and ability and capability of women.
Now, with that said, I still think that women are capable just like men are, it's just that men are more optimal in certain things that tend to deal with infrastructure.
I'm not saying that men are better than women, it's just that we're better at certain things.
But to say that women can't control their emotions when they're on their period And a majority of them can't, or half of them can't.
I think that's kind of crazy and ludicrous because society wouldn't be where we are now if half the humanity couldn't control themselves for a week out of a month.
So does that make her point mute?
You just said they can control themselves.
That's what she said.
That's what I'm saying.
Doesn't that make her point mute?
No, it notifies her point because she's saying women need to control themselves.
But you just said if 50% of them don't deal with that little portion.
That's the argument that you made.
Yeah, I know.
That's what I'm saying.
So you said that that's a small portion.
So most of them are able to control themselves.
Which is why her point is valid.
But you just said women need to control themselves during their period.
Yes, yes.
And I argued against it.
I said I don't feel like it's right at all.
Yeah, you two argued against it.
Most of us did.
Yeah, and I'm saying that that right there, you guys arguing against her point.
And that's how we got to the 50-50.
Is what I'm trying to say when I say women don't hold each other accountable a lot of the times.
And this is why women aren't criticized because she came with a valid critique.
But it wasn't until the men spoke up and said, no, she's actually right.
Y'all were all on her neck for saying that.
I guarantee you, if your boss is in the room, you're on your period, you're going to control it.
Because if you don't, you're going to get fired.
So ultimately speaking, you can control it if you want to.
But when your boyfriend...
Oh, this nigga...
Hell no, nigga!
Once again, what's the consequence?
Oh, he ain't going nowhere.
Yeah, we got to peel a layer back.
Why do women behave the way that they do a lot of the times?
Well, I asked you guys earlier...
Did you take the criticism seriously?
Would the guy have left you if you had not done it?
If you had continued that behavior?
Most of you said he ain't going nowhere.
Hence, why the behavior is able to continue because there's no real serious consequence to continue the behavior.
The only person at the table that really stopped their behavior was her because there was a real consequence of the guy leaving her.
For the rest of you guys, I'm not changing my hair color.
I'm going to keep continuing to change my hair color.
I'm going to continue nagging.
I'm moving across the state.
I'm somewhat choosing to maybe not bother my guy.
A lot of you guys are not changing your behavior because there's no negative consequence for changing the behavior.
I said my behavior was communicating and I changed that behavior.
Nigga.
You left.
Okay.
Can I communicate with someone who I'm no longer in the same area with?
No, no, no.
That's what I mean.
The point is that women don't have an incentive to take criticism and improve because you're going to continue to get what you're getting regardless of how you behave is my point, is my argument.
And then she kind of proved that just now because a lot of y'all jumped on her neck when she said women need to self-improve on that.
Man, this show just proves itself even more.
I think women give each other terrible advice in general.
I think women self-perpetuate each other.
They perpetuate each other staying single because you guys tell each other things like, there's another guy out there.
You're special.
You can do better.
No, fuck him.
He's probably out here cheating anyway.
I think girls give very destructive advice to each other.
Can I make a comment on that?
Sure.
Yeah, because I think that's really important what you mentioned.
It goes back to the whole idea of infantilizing everything these days and that That whole idea of...
I think what you meant to say is infantilizing females.
Thank you.
Is what you meant to say.
Yes, but also females doing that to other females.
Sorry, go ahead.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I'm going to stop it right there.
That is what he just said.
What I want to bring up to the point is...
Is that how I saw?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
Max.
Okay.
Matter of fact, my match.
You were going to say something?
I was going to say, I disagree with your point because...
Which part do you say?
I disagree with the part how you say women, encourage women and tell them how there's another man out there, you got this, whatever, all that.
I feel as though guys do the same thing when it comes to females because y'all say, oh, fuck that bitch, there's another bitch out there.
Oh, you got 10 holes on this side.
Why do you need her?
Or you can do this, you can pick up the next bitch at the next hour.
I feel like that's a double standard.
Well, speaking and actions are two different things.
Who's initiated most of breakups?
Can I ask a question?
Hold on, hold on.
You're saying that men tell each other the same thing, but realistically speaking, who's enacting on the advice more, men or women?
Who's initiating the breakups?
I mean, every situation is different.
Every situation is different.
So, I mean, I can't even answer that because I don't know.
We don't know who's going through what.
Doesn't that speak to accountability?
Whoever's initiating the breakup?
Even on the panel.
I just feel like this because the question was asked towards me.
I feel like as...
Yeah.
Because I know people who have left, you know, I know guys who've left their chicks, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, but is that a majority or a minority?
I don't know the answer to that.
I do.
The answer is it's a minority.
A majority of the women are the ones that initiate the breakups.
I mean, let's use this panel.
The women that have been in relationships that were married, who initiated the divorces on this own panel?
You guys did, correct?
Yes.
That proves my point.
And then let's have fun with this.
How many of you guys have been broken up with a guy before?
Raise your hands if you've ever been broken up with by a guy.
Like he broke up with you.
Yes.
How many?
Okay, cool.
Now, so two of you have never been broken up by a guy.
Fantastic.
Now, how many of you...
You said have, right?
Yeah, a guy broke up with you.
Yes, I have.
Okay, cool, cool.
Now, let's go ahead and compound that.
How many times have you been broken up more by a guy, or have you broken up with men more?
Ah, gotcha!
There's probably a crazy ratio, isn't there?
You probably initiated way more of the breakups than guys that have broken up with you.
Correct?
Mine is even.
Wait, hold on, hold on.
So you're telling me...
Who said it's even?
Raise a hand.
Raise a hand.
Who else?
Mine's is no.
Two?
Mine's is literally no.
So you've been broken up with as many times as you broke up with guys?
I've been broken up with more than I've broken up with guys.
Well, that's crazy.
That's a crazy exception to the rule.
Because the majority is most girls have rarely, if ever, been broken up by a guy.
And they initiate most of the breakups for most females.
I don't say it's not a crazy thing, but that's just not happening to me.
That's fine.
But your personal experience doesn't necessarily reflect reality all the time.
That's a very big minority of the 2,000 girls we've interviewed.
Very few girls have been broken up with more than they've broken up with men.
You're the first, actually, that I've ever seen.
2,000 girls plus.
Yeah.
You must be hella masculine.
Goddamn!
It was the lying.
It was probably the lying.
But again, just because it's you doesn't mean that's not reflective of women in general.
The argument I'm making here, going ahead, again, ladies, you keep getting sidetracked.
The whole conversation started with women giving each other terrible advice.
And the reason why women give each other terrible advice is because they feel as though they can do better and replace another guy.
And they typically go with what their girlfriends say.
And they initiate the breakup because women overwhelmingly initiate breakups.
That is true.
Well, that's not true.
What's not true?
What part is not true?
Um, shit, you said something in the beginning.
See, you're disagreeing with something you don't even understand.
No, no, no.
I didn't say I didn't understand.
But you said multiple things at once.
The first thing you said was what?
You didn't agree.
Hold on, stop the fucking show.
What was the first thing?
Hold on.
Oh my God.
You asked me a question.
Holy fucking shit.
This proves my point.
I can't believe this.
For you to be able to articulate an argument with someone, you must be able to not just hear what they're saying, you must understand what they're saying and be able to find weak points and go ahead and refute what they're saying.
That means you have to have a deep level.
You're asking me to state what I just stated again, which you said you disagree with.
That proves my point, that women don't disagree with ideas.
They disagree with how they feel once you state an idea.
We're seeing a quintessential example of that right now.
This podcast, this episode has been a masterclass on female nature.
Your first statement, the first part of your statement is the part that I didn't agree with.
Which was?
You kept going and that's why I asked you to repeat what you just said.
You cannot articulate an argument against something if you don't even remember what it was.
That's my point.
You want us to tell you?
Incredible.
I'm just asking to just repeat so I can answer his question.
That's it.
That's the problem.
You're not even gonna try to refute what I said.
You don't like what it was?
How can you disagree with something you don't remember?
Am I crazy?
Am I crazy?
I agree with what Myron's saying because I really just heard this from a male earlier today.
I agree with the...
Well, okay.
I mean, it's just the topic, the topic he was, he was reiterating the topic, essentially.
And so, he was generalizing what she said about how women...
About how basically how women give each other bad advice.
And so what I'm saying is I don't agree that women give each other bad advice because women have...
There you go, that's it.
Women have...
Now I'm remembering because she kind of...
So he said, in a nutshell...
It's because women follow their friends' advice.
And you said, oh, hell no!
Okay, so I disagree.
Okay.
Because I don't have a group of girlfriends that I can go run and tell my business to.
And in all actuality, I feel like it's a bad thing to tell everyone your business that's going on within your relationship.
Because you might have that single friend and she's telling you, you know, she might be envious of your relationship.
And then you're like...
Yeah, girl, go ahead.
You know, so I don't just me personally, I don't disclose my business with others.
So I was disagreeing that women give bad advice because some women don't invite that advice.
So can we agree that you are not most women?
We also agree that most women nowadays tell their friends everything.
Snapchat, group chats.
So, ideally, you're saying the right things because you won't do it.
But let's be real here.
Most girls talk about their friends all the time.
He's this and that.
He's not being loyal.
Oh, you know what?
Leave him, girl.
So, I get what you're saying, but most women, generally speaking, are going to talk to everybody.
Um...
I would say it could be you have some women who, yes, who do that.
And then you have another half who, let's say, I mean, if we talk about, for example, a married woman to another married woman, we know how if we're traditionally speaking, we're going to say, hey, work it out.
Our advice to her is going to be work it out.
Talk.
Figure out, you know, so certain advices can be different.
It's not all break up with them.
He ain't shit.
It's not all that.
But can you admit that most women will take their friend's advice over their man's advice?
Be honest.
They don't understand your man.
I agree.
They know what's happening.
So your point is mute.
No, that's not what I was saying.
I was saying that some people will give bad advice.
He was saying he thinks women give each other bad advice.
And I was saying, I don't agree.
I feel like there's women out there that give great advice to help relationships as well.
As well as people who give bad advice to each other.
That might be true, but it's a smaller number.
And his argument was, he was saying most women follow their friends' advice.
That was the whole argument.
Yeah.
I feel like, so once again, yeah, merch.
And what I'm about to say goes with your merch, so have fun.
Basically, how Myron said how women follow other women's advice, that's all based off of a feeling within the moment.
And I'm not saying know it, but I can say that I understand it now, considering that I just heard someone tell me today that, okay, because of how you felt within that moment, determine what your actions were going to be, and that's how it made it be in the long run.
Mm-hmm.
And he was right.
Like, how I felt within that moment determined my actions.
So, notice, right?
You made a very good point.
When women talk to each other, what's happening is something happened prior that day or maybe a week before and they had that emotion in them.
So, you were like, oh, girl, I feel like this and that because my man's doing this.
Girl, you're right, girl.
So, you know what?
Damn.
She might actually be right.
It's kind of like the same emotions together.
Same energy.
So that, what does that translate into?
It means, now, damn, she might be right.
Fuck my man.
So, even though she might be thinking logically before, and she meets you, it's like, same energy, same type of emotion.
Ah, you know what?
You might be right.
So...
It's not for debate, but I think most women will follow their friends' advice.
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Do you have anything else that you want to say to that?
I just have one small sentence.
You're good before I go to her?
Yeah, I can just close.
I was going to say that you were just making a valid point how, yes, the whole emotions can play a factor.
Yes.
And I feel like it's both.
You have those good emotions and you have those bad emotions.
And also, at the end of the day, it's the choice of the person receiving what you do with that advice.
So, like, are you going to use that advice to sabotage what you have?
Or are you going to use it to ponder on it and be like, no, like, you know, you have to also look at the person's situation who's giving you the advice.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, what is their current situation before you just take a consideration and apply it to your situation?
Okay.
But if I'm running off emotions, I'm not going to think about, oh, who was that person with?
I'm off emotions.
I'm going to do...
The first emotion I get is to act on it.
You're thinking in emotions.
I won't think about it.
I'm calling my girlfriend for...
Off emotions.
Off emotions.
I don't need logic.
I need emotions.
I need this.
So...
Off of my friend's instinct, because I'm venting to my girlfriend, my girlfriend's going to tell me instantly either something that can be good for myself emotionally or bad for myself emotionally.
But off of her instinct and emotion herself, that's what she chose to tell me.
Now, once again, off of my instinct and emotion, once again, that is what I choose to do.
But it all follows all from emotions.
Period.
Right.
Emotion and then choice at the end.
Right.
Okay.
Sorry, my last point just to end that convo.
Just to bring up to your point, I think most people just...
My therapist, I don't think.
I agree with my therapist's point, which is most people are not qualified to give advice whether male or female.
Wait, hold on.
You got a therapist?
Yes, I have a therapist.
I think everyone should have a therapist.
No, you should have a therapist.
You said you should or shouldn't.
No, you should.
I should?
I think everyone should have a therapist.
No, you should.
Okay, that's great.
That's why I have one.
Yeah, bye.
Okay.
Going back to the topic at hand from before, the question was, what are the top criticisms that you would give modern-day women in today's society?
She said controlling PMS before we rent down that rabbit hole.
Go ahead.
What do you think?
Entering relationships for the wrong reasons.
Okay.
So, Jess?
There's so many examples.
Answering relationships for financial reasons, but not actually being the person you want anything to do with, I think is a big one.
Yeah, we want people to be able to take care of us.
Let's say you do want that traditional dynamic, but at the same time, do you just want a man who has money or do you want a man who has money and also like...
Not only that, but let's say you have faith.
If you're a Christian person, why are you going after non-Christian people and then expecting them to follow into your beliefs?
If you're a Christian woman and you know I want to become a housewife and I want to have three kids with my husband and be part of a church and be part of a clergy and do all these things, don't do that.
Same thing for men.
If you're a man and you're a godly man and you're going to church, I'm not a Christian personally.
I'm just saying because I know a lot of people say these specific things.
You're a godly man and you're looking for women who are of a certain faith, who believe a certain thing, who have a certain morality.
Look for that specific thing.
And I think people, especially women nowadays, because we are looking for these key things that we're supposed to find, we kind of skip all the other things that we're You know, in the beginning.
So, like, not only is he able to provide for you, but what type of person is he?
Like, is he slapping you around while giving you a $20 check?
Is he slapping you around with the bill money?
Or is he, like, a decent dude?
No one's saying he has to be, like, an angel and a god and Jesus himself, but, like, is he a decent person?
Like, how does he treat his friends?
How does he treat the people around him?
Okay, I'm trying to make sense of what you said, because you mentioned a couple things here.
Is what you're trying to say...
One critique is entering relationships for financial reasons, but not wanting the man inherently.
And then the second one is getting a man that doesn't align with certain values.
Getting a person, anyone.
Okay, so you use the example of religion.
So if you're a religious woman, make sure you get with a religious man.
Or someone who follows those moral values that your religion follows.
Okay, so it seems to me basically aligning yourself with a man that shares your values.
Don't just get with them because of financial reasons or something.
That doesn't make sense.
Only because, yeah, they provide for you, but where does that animosity start to build up when that person's providing, but you guys don't have the same moral compass.
Okay, so that's your critique of modern-day women.
Don't get in relationships because...
Not just money, but anything that you don't...
That is going to become a problem.
Okay, what about you?
What's your...
If you could give one critique or maybe two critiques for modern-day women, what would it be?
I would say wanting a traditional man, but not being the traditional woman yourself.
You want a man that provides, but you're not taking care of the home and doing your duties.
I feel like a lot of women want a man that's chivalrous and provides and all of this stuff, but they're not doing what they need to do on their end to get that man.
Okay.
Now, you know, because we don't want to just sit here and shit on women all day, what are criticisms that you give modern men today that they need to fix?
Let me start with you.
It should be easy.
You're not going to agree, but...
Oh, go ahead.
What do you think the biggest critique is?
Stop thinking with your dicks.
Yeah, basically stop thinking with your dicks.
Okay.
Yeah, basically.
Very simple.
So, when you say stop thinking with your dicks, would you, I guess, because that's a very broad way to say it.
No, not as broad, but...
Would you say stop thinking what your dick would lead to you dealing with women that can exploit you?
Is that what you're trying to say?
Or...
I don't want to speak for you, but...
I feel like a lot of...
Yeah, like, don't lose a dime for a penny.
Like, I feel like guys...
Like, yeah, that's the situation that happens a lot of the times.
Like, they have a good woman and then they lose them because they're just...
Like, cheating is one thing, but them being sloppy about it and, like, letting her find out in some way or whatever, like, that's just, like, disrespectful.
Stop being nosy, goddamn.
Okay.
I don't know, it's just...
Okay, so stop thinking what's your dick to the point that it could hurt your life.
Alright, what about you?
What is a critique that you would give modern-day men?
Just be upfront about your intentions with someone.
If it's just sex, just let them know it's sex.
And if it's a relationship, and then let them know it's a relationship.
Don't pretend you want a relationship with someone, and then just to get sex out of them when it's just sex.
Because there's a lot of women that would just have sex with you if you told them that.
That's not a joke.
I know.
I have sex.
Trust me.
There's a lot of women who, and I'm not saying every woman you walk up to is just going to fuck you to fuck you, but there are women who will have sex with you if you tell them, I'm not pursuing a relationship with you.
I just want sex.
There are women who will be like, all right, well, I can't be upset at him if later on in the point I want a relationship and he doesn't.
He set his boundaries.
But don't show up to me telling me I want a relationship and then doing all the like, oh no, but don't do the wish-washing.
All right, let me ask you this.
Do you think women can handle the truth in general?
It doesn't matter if they can handle it, be truthful.
Them handling it has nothing to do with you.
Please answer the question.
Can women handle...
It absolutely does, and I'm going to make a point here.
Can women handle the truth in general?
Yes.
Humans can't handle the truth in general, I believe, in general.
But I feel like that truth, yes, they can.
Okay, so you think...
Again, please answer the question.
Do you think women in general can handle the truth?
Are we moving the goalposts with this question?
We're not, because I asked a very direct question.
Like I said, humans cannot handle the truth.
See, you're moving the goalpost.
Okay, how about this?
Who's more likely to respond favorably to the truth?
Men or women?
Neither.
Men get violent.
Statistically, no.
Statistically, men get violent when they hear the truth.
Am I not wrong?
Do women not get beat and hurt when the women talk in the truth?
I don't agree with that.
I agree with that.
That is a statistical fact.
I mean, we can't really talk about statistics.
That's the only part of statistics I bring, but to say that men can handle the truth, but women can't when there are...
We find men that literally, like, their women will say something to them, they'll beat them.
Okay.
Things like that.
I have proof that women can handle the truth.
I didn't say women can, I said humans can.
Yeah, but I would argue that women have a lesser propensity to accept the truth than men do.
And the reason for that, my argument is that if you look at advertising, right?
If you look at the way that we market to women, we market lies to women, but we market the truth to men.
And the reason for that is because women, when you lie, they buy.
There's a reason why they say, love your curves, you're special, you're a princess.
We give self-propping information to women to endorse them to buy a product.
With men, you have to be fairly honest and brutal with them to get them to buy because men understand that if I'm deficient or if I don't perform, Reality is going to smack me in the face.
Women don't have that problem.
If a woman is fat, is annoying, whatever it may be, someone will accept her.
So since someone will accept her, we can go ahead and lie to women to sell to them.
So I would argue the fact that we live in a, if you lie, women buy society, proves my point that women in general can't handle the truth.
So, going back to my question here.
Do you think women can handle the truth in general?
In general, no.
But like I said, neither can men.
That's why I'm saying...
That's not what I asked you.
So, if women can handle the truth and men want to get sex, what will they do to get the sex?
Why do you need to lie?
You're a grown adult.
It's sex.
This isn't about morals or anything like that.
This is about if men know that women can handle the truth, Right?
Why would they tell them the truth if the goal is sex?
Because you just want to have sex.
Just tell them you just want to have sex.
Because here's the honest truth.
If a guy walked up to a girl and said, I want you to have sex with me and then I'm going to reserve the right to commit to you later on and I may or may not like you and I need you to be loyal to me while simultaneously having sex with other men or talking to other men.
I also want you to take your Instagram down and not be a hoe.
Be loyal to me and I'm going to have sex with you and then figure it out later.
Do you think most men can actually do that with women?
Because that's the truth.
So, you remove the choice for her.
Hold on, answer the question.
Hold on, but what I just said, will most women respond favorably to what I just said?
Yes or no?
No, they won't respond favorably because you told them the truth.
Thank you.
Because you told them the truth.
That's the answer.
That proves my point.
My point is, but your question was, what is your critique about men?
My critique is, if you want sex to Just say it.
That's my critique.
I'm not saying that morally this is right.
My critique of men is, if that's what you want, stop lying about it.
It's not that serious.
You're a grown adult.
But that's not a practical solution.
You didn't say a practical critique.
You said, what is a critique about men?
That was my critique of men.
Stop lying if you want sex.
But that's a fairly delusional...
It's delusional to tell someone I want to have sex with them instead of faking a relationship.
Because it's not practical.
Most guys are not going to...
Because here's the thing.
I say all the time, guys should be honest.
But are they going to be honest?
No.
Because most men don't have the sexual market value.
And that's my critique.
To be honest.
My critique is they should.
And my point is, I know that men do that, which is why I said my critique is for them to stop doing that.
If I'm a man and I want to have sex with a woman, I'm going to lie to get whatever the fuck I want.
So you won't even like this what you're saying.
I didn't say, I said, if I'm a man.
I have self-control.
Yeah, so if you were a man, you wouldn't even tell the truth.
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Shout out to you.
I see your critique.
That was just my critique.
I didn't say it was realistic.
I didn't say it was.
I just said my critique of men is if you want to have sex with a woman, don't lie and say you want to really just have sex.
Okay, can you give us a realistic critique that guys can actually improve on?
Because let's be honest, guys aren't going to do that because women don't do well with the truth in general.
I mean, I could critique women and say to stop being...
No, no, no.
Men.
doing this.
They're not going to tell my friends to stop being hoes.
Does that mean they're going to stop being hoes?
Okay.
No.
That's my critique of them to stop being hoes.
Probably not.
Exactly.
Okay.
But when women...
Do you understand what I'm saying?
It's destructive for women to be hoes.
It's not as destructive for men to lie to women to get sex.
Does that make sense?
A woman fucks herself up by being a hoe long term with finding a man.
A man lying and getting sex from women, that will make him a better player and a better man in the future.
I want to point something out.
You said the woman being a hoe, you gave the negativity for the women.
The man lying about sex, you gave a positive to the man.
Him becoming a player.
You didn't give the negativity of the body of the woman being lied to for the sexual pleasure of someone else.
What?
That's not aligned with what I was trying to say at all.
What I'm saying is, when the guy lies and gets the sex, that's effectively going to make him better to some degree.
What about the woman in that situation?
Because your critique was, if women act like hoes, stop being hoes.
I'm saying a woman being a ho, that's actually a valid critique because that's going to fuck them up in the long term.
Fuck them.
That's the negativity for the woman.
So what's the positive for the man and her being a ho?
They didn't have sex with her.
More sexual experience for men is good.
Exactly.
More sexual experience for women is not good.
Exactly.
But if you're lying to women about the sexual experience and going, I want a relationship with you, and she's thinking, I'm not just going to fuck him, I'm going to have a relationship with him, and then you go and you do whatever the hell, then you just lie to her.
So you did not give her the choice of deciding to stick around and being like, well, this man just wants to have sex with me.
That's not the point I'm making.
You're making an argument for something that I'm not talking about.
But that was my critique.
You asked my critique.
My critique was men stop lying about something.
And I just responded that it's not practical.
It doesn't matter if it's practical.
That was just my critique.
I didn't say it was a practical critique.
You asked what it was.
Okay.
I'll see why you're single.
Jesus Christ.
I see why you have a therapist.
Let's move on.
What about you?
What critique for men?
Critique?
What could they work on?
Trusting their own selves as a man.
Like their own intuition.
Their first intuition.
The first thing they think.
So be confident.
Be confident in their own selves.
Be a real man.
Okay.
Could you give us an example?
An example?
Like let's say he's He's chilling at home and he's not doing anything.
And he's looking at everywhere.
He's like, you know, what do I do?
Like, you have to think of everything.
Like, of...
Like, how do I say?
Like, a room and shit.
So don't sit on your ass.
Be productive.
Be confident.
Go outside.
Explore.
Okay, Chris.
Alright, what about you?
One critique.
One critique.
For men.
Let me choose wisely.
That's cool.
Just say what you think.
I think that they should...
Just, you know, express their feelings.
Because if something, if you want a change or if you want a certain expectation, let's just add someone that you like or something.
How would she know?
You know, I feel like men aren't vocal enough.
They suppress how they truly feel and they put on a tough facade.
You know, society teaches them to be tough.
Don't Don't really, don't explain, you know, just act.
And, yeah, just being straightforward and not suppressing the true feeling of a thing.
Okay.
Sorry, can I say something?
Yeah.
In all fairness, though, it's like, then when they do talk, it's like, oh, you're mansplaining.
Or you're emotional.
Or you're angry or something, yeah.
Yeah.
And I guess what I'm saying is, like, sometimes, you know, women know when something's bothering...
Well, not everybody.
But some women know when, let's say, for example, something's wrong with her man.
She can feel it.
But we won't know what it is.
And, you know, we kind of ask, like, hey, like, are you okay?
What's going on?
But men are kind of taught to kind of just suppress what they really feel.
And...
Then that can become a long-term issue within the household because she doesn't know what the cause is.
She doesn't know what he's truly feeling, but he's acting or he's lashing out or he's mad.
And it's like, why are you mad?
What's going on?
Let me clarify this because you're speaking fairly ambiguously and I think the audience and the girls on the panel are confused.
Are you saying that man needs to correct poor behavior from the woman by expressing what he dislikes?
Or B, opening up from an emotional standpoint about vulnerabilities?
Which one are you trying to say?
Just opening up in general.
So you're saying be vulnerable with this girl?
Just be vulnerable, yeah.
I disagree with that, but that's fine.
That's what you think men should do.
But I agree.
I think they should because this is the thing.
You have, and I'm strictly talking about what society puts out there of men.
They put it out there like men don't have to explain nothing.
Men won't explain shit.
It's always the woman explaining and it's various scenarios.
It doesn't have to be.
I'm just generally speaking.
When you say explain, explain their feelings?
Not necessarily their feelings, but if something's wrong.
Well, that's why I was trying to clarify earlier.
Are you talking about correcting poor female behavior, explaining what's wrong and why they need to change?
Are we talking about them opening up and being vulnerable and crying about their problems?
I would say both.
Just in general, just speaking up.
Well, the two are vastly different.
Either way, you have to speak up on either.
If something is troubling, right?
I think men should correct female behavior, but for them to open up about their vulnerabilities, I disagree with.
I think men must correct poor female behavior.
That's the only way a relationship is going to work.
But if the woman's correcting the poor behavior, I think that's when the issues arise.
But, I mean, so you think just opening up in general, talking more?
Yeah.
You think communication?
Yes.
Just communication.
Just in general.
Okay.
Good or bad?
Okay.
Can I make a comment to that?
Yeah, sure.
Just that I think that's a valid point.
However, I think it's also worth mentioning that It seems like a trend when men do open up, they're often mocked like, oh, come on, just man up, you know?
And that's why men usually express their emotions, at least from my understanding, you can correct me, between other men.
Like, that's more so where they can...
Can I piggyback off?
I'm going to jump on that.
I feel like when it comes to men expressing their emotions, whatever, there just has to be the right woman that understands him because I'm not going to, if any male, brother, cousin, uncle, anybody, a male off the street says, hey, I need a moment to vent.
Can you talk to me?
I'm not going to tell him, man up.
No, I'm not going to do it.
No.
Of course not.
Yeah, you would hear him out.
But what we're saying is that you would hear him out and then your views or your respect for him might go down depending on what he opens up about and the vulnerabilities that he exposes.
Yeah, you'll hear him out.
I'm not saying that you're an evil person.
You won't hear a man out.
What I'm saying is that your approach and or your view of him might change to a negative perspective.
Can I ask why you have that opinion?
Why do I have that opinion?
That men shouldn't be vulnerable to women?
No, no.
Why you believe that a woman will no longer respect them in certain vulnerable...
Well, it depends on what the guy's vulnerable about.
But the reason why is because women look for strength in their men and they look for a rock solid leader, a man that is able to control his emotions, a man that's able to be a leader, a man that's decisive, a man that isn't necessarily phased by external things that might fuck him up. a man that isn't necessarily phased by external things that Because since women look to men as leaders, the man's got to be able to lead regardless of how he feels.
So opening up to a woman who, quite frankly, is a subordinate of yours.
I know people might say that's sexist.
But if you want a leader, you are by default a subordinate of the leader.
Since the woman's in a subordinate position, she's not in a situation and or in an authority capacity to listen to that man's problems.
And on top of that, she doesn't really have solutions for a lot of times because the problems that men experience are uniquely masculine in essence, and women typically don't understand the masculine experience.
So I don't think women are equipped for and or can handle masculine problems, especially when it's coming from someone that they're supposed to be a subordinate to.
So if someone, right, and I use the example of, like, let's say we're in a battlefield, right, and your commanding officer comes in and starts crying, like, I don't know what to do.
These bullets are scaring me.
Oh, my God.
You would lose respect for that commanding officer, and you would go ahead and start to do things differently, and you would approach warfare from a different perspective.
Yeah.
You wouldn't respect their opinion.
You would go ahead and just do it on your own.
That's how I think women perceive men a lot of the times.
If I can't lead you through the battlefield of life, right, because life has a lot of difficult things, you're not going to respect me as a commanding officer, and therefore you will either A, go AWOL, right, absent without leave, and go find another commanding officer that's better, or you just won't respect me in general and you'll stay with me and fight, but you'll pick and choose when you want to listen to me, which is both equally terrible.
I have a question based on the point that you just said.
Do you believe there's any form of vulnerability that will actually make you more respected that a man can have in a relationship with his wife, woman, girlfriend, whatever?
Women only respect vulnerability when it's been overcome.
Let me give you an example of that.
Let's say I went through some bullshit, right?
But I overcame it and now I'm better for it.
But you didn't experience the pain that came from that vulnerability.
You just saw how it made me a better man.
That's when vulnerability works.
For example, I tell you a story of me overcoming some trials and tribulations.
I used to be poor.
I went through this situation.
It was a really dark time for me.
It's only sexy when I overcame it and now you enjoy the fruits of me overcoming it.
But when I'm going through it, exactly.
But when I'm going through it, It would not be in my best interest to tell you about it, or even worse, have you experienced that dark time with me.
That's why I always famously say, and a lot of people have said this, but I say it all the time on this podcast, women don't build, they move in.
And women would prefer to be with a man that is established, that has everything created, and they kind of come in and accentuate that.
Not necessarily build up.
Are some girls capable of building with a man?
Absolutely.
But if given the choice, women would rather wait at the finish line to pick the winner.
I have a point of view on that.
I feel like the world is about balance.
First of all, if you're with the right person, what I'm about to say is not even just for any relationship.
If you are with the right person, they should be able to balance you out to the point where if something is going wrong, It's not that she can help you with that masculine thing physically.
It's not that she can go into the battlefield and do these things, but she can have that reassurance that you probably have been looking for or that voice in your head that you've been battling.
She could probably ease that or you don't have to battle against yourself anymore because she's that balance for you.
If only you just talk to her and say...
Let me ask you a question.
Who am I better off?
Let's say you're the commanding officer in that situation in your wartime, right?
And you're fighting off the invaders or whatever.
Who would be a better person to speak to?
Your subordinates who are directly looking to you for leadership or talking to another commanding officer who also has a platoon of people underneath him?
Who would be able to better understand your circumstances?
Give me the two options again.
If you're in a situation where you are the commanding officer over a hundred soldiers, right, and you're in wartime and you're battling, who is going to give you better advice based on your situation?
The subordinates that are looking to you for leadership?
Or, and you risk them not losing respect for you?
Or another commanding officer who also has a platoon of a hundred soldiers underneath him?
I don't know.
It would be the other commanding officer because he understands your trials and tribulations to a better extent than your subordinate.
So he would be able to properly advise you on how to go through it.
Even better yet, maybe a more seasoned commanding officer.
This is why I tell men they need to speak to other men about their problems.
Preferably men that are more experienced than themselves.
Women can't handle masculine problems.
But women are nurturers.
And what I mean by that is it's not about handling that masculine thing.
It's about her being able to nurture the, how can I say, When I was saying about relieving that stress, that it helps that man.
And then he can see clearly at that point.
It's not that she's like, hey, you should leave these men this way and you should leave these men that way.
It's not that.
But she will come to him and say, what is troubling you?
How can I ease that so that you can see clearly?
That's what she's supposed to do.
The balance.
She's the balance.
How about not be annoying, make a sandwich, comfort him, but he doesn't necessarily have to tell you about the problem.
You could just say, I had a stressful day.
I need you to do this.
Right.
Something as simple as that.
Now, if you say, okay, hey, what's wrong?
Oh, nothing.
Like, today was fine.
But it was something troubling.
And I guess I'm saying it from this point because I've actually been in a situation where, you know, the man is carrying so much and he wants to do it on his own because he feels like he has to.
And the moment that it's expressed...
Then, you know, she's able or I was able to then give some type of clarity that he was missing or some type of.
And it's like, oh, OK. And then he was able to conquer it even better than.
You like to talk a lot.
Sometimes men don't want to talk.
How long did that work?
No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
It doesn't have to be that day.
It doesn't have to be.
But I mean, you said you wanted the same day right there and then.
Well, if it's that day, I was giving an example.
Yes.
I was giving an example.
Yes.
So if we're talking then, if we're talking about several scenarios, then yes.
Like, you don't have to necessarily talk about it.
I was just giving an example.
Like, hey, you've had something...
See, you're saying that, but here's the thing.
And this is what I mean when I say that women have a very narcissistic view of the world and whatever.
You're speaking from a solipsistic standpoint.
And what I mean by that is you're speaking from your perspective.
And what I'm saying is that, though, you might be okay with it and you might be able to nurture a man back after his problems.
A lot of women won't.
They'll be like, what the fuck?
This dude's a bitch.
Handle your problems.
I don't want to deal with them.
And that's when they're wrong.
I don't think that they're necessarily wrong for that.
It's just that men and women are different and women aren't necessarily built and or capable of solving masculine problems a lot of the time.
But that's what I was saying about the balance.
Like, that is granted.
He's with the correct person.
If you aren't with the right person and you're just with somebody, whatever, of course you're not going to get that relief.
Of course you're not going to get...
Alright, would it be fair to say that men are supposed to be masculine and women are supposed to be feminine?
Of course.
That's how they balance each other?
Of course.
Okay.
Isn't a tenement of masculinity emotional control?
An attainment of femininity is being emotional.
Okay, so what the hell do I look like being emotional crying to someone who's emotional and not supposed to be the rock?
But you're not crying to someone.
You're crying to a person who's your balance.
A person that is emotional that is supposed to be the opposite of myself.
And she knows what to do with that.
No, she does not.
Because women can't even control their own emotions.
How the hell are they going to control a man's emotions?
That's not true.
No.
Just like, okay, we're talking about...
A bunch of the responses that you've given to me saying empirical things that are true were emotional.
Hell, you couldn't even recall what I said.
The only thing you could say was, what did you say again?
No, I disagree with that.
You weren't disagreeing with my points.
You were disagreeing on how my points made you feel.
That literally proves my point that women are emotional creatures.
Yes.
So since women are emotional, right, they're more inclined to act off emotions.
I'm saying when men are emotional, bad things happen.
Men need to control their emotions.
So wouldn't you say if women are emotional beings...
And he's going through an emotional problem.
Wouldn't she know how to help that emotional problem?
No.
Because emotional men are not attractive.
He should go to other men with his emotional problems.
Because they're better equipped to handle the issue.
Just like I said, a commanding officer.
But you're putting work into his personal life.
We're not talking about work.
We're talking about his personal life.
When he comes away from the world.
He should have the space to be emotional when he's at home with his spouse.
He should be able to do that.
You're saying he should and could, but what I'm saying is that most women don't respond favorably to emotional men.
Well, but also, can I add to that?
Yeah.
So the way that a woman can support a man is unique to only a woman, and we've tamped out a lot of those qualities within us.
However, it's the same with a woman.
You get support from other women in ways that a man can't support, give you that same support.
Men, there is something women don't understand that The brotherhood between men and the place that it...
the importance that it plays in their lives and that the way that a woman comforts a man and raises her man up is unique to women.
It's not...
solving the problem and and regardless of whether or not it makes the man look unattractive to you that's your commitment to your man and you you have to to to be there for for him even if it's turning you off at that moment you know I don't believe, like, every woman is different to each his own.
I don't personally believe that a man being in his sacred place, releasing that emotional side is a bad thing.
No, no.
Me personally, I don't think that.
I'm just saying...
You don't think or you know.
Huh?
You don't think or you know.
I don't think.
And that's just my opinion.
Okay.
What I'm saying is that it's not that it's bad or good.
What I am saying is that it will probably lead to a problematic outcome with a woman.
how so because women are emotional creatures and when a man is emotional around his woman that quite effectively demonstrates an inability to control the situation hence why he is responding with emotion and saying i don't know what to do blah blah blah i'm sad i'm scared whatever it may be and that is inherently unattractive to women because women look for masculinity in the man and a tenement of masculinity is controlling your emotions regardless of how you feel it's still a
He bounces her out by being masculine.
And a cornerstone of masculinity is emotional control.
Because a woman's not going to feel as safe with a man who's not in control of his emotions.
There you go.
Only women are granted the privilege of being emotional and being able to act in an erratic fashion.
Men are not.
There's consequences for being an emotional man.
You're looked at as less attractive.
You're looked at as volatile.
You're looked at as a loser, etc.
Men must control their emotions.
And I guess I'm coming from a place, too, where, like, I've had just a man tell me, like, hey, like, you've helped me tap into that side of me that...
How can I say?
In order to love someone...
Where's that man now?
He's still here.
Really?
Where's he at?
Are you with him?
Yes.
The guy that you're with right now?
Yes.
Y'all been dating for just a few months, right?
Okay.
I feel like that's her personal thing, and she values communication.
Yeah, that's fine.
I'm just going based off of, yeah.
Yeah, that's perfectly fine.
Experience.
But your experience isn't indicative of how other women operate.
A lot of girls hate emotional men.
You might like it, maybe, but most girls don't.
I'm a traditional woman.
I love a masculine man.
A masculine man is...
No, no, stop.
When he comes home, you're getting it confused.
No, you're getting it confused.
What I'm saying is...
No, we're not getting it confused.
You're about to set yourself up in a trap.
No, I'm not.
Yes, you are.
No, I'm not.
Because you're not even...
You're not letting me finish my point.
He was talking about when he goes to work and he does these things and he's commanding whatever.
I'm saying when he comes home, he should have the freedom.
I should allow him as his woman.
Allow him the freedom to be able.
You should allow?
No, that's what I'm saying.
I should give him the space.
The space to feel comfortable, that giving him that peace and that sense of mind, that whatever goes on, he can, you know, he can tell me because what tends to happen is when they bottle those things up and they're too masculine and it can't Just sit it down for a second to know how they feel or know why they're mad.
It then triggers the household.
I'm strictly just talking about when they are behind closed doors and they have come away from the world, they should have that freedom to be vulnerable.
That's all I'm saying.
Oh, so you're not necessarily saying he has to get it from a woman.
He just needs to process his emotions.
Yeah, I was just saying the woman balances him to help him.
Oh, so you're doing it with a woman.
She can balance the plate with the sandwich on it to my table and I'll be happy.
Thank you.
What about you?
What do you think men need to improve on?
In general, what is the criticism you would give modern day men?
Well, I would say that they need to hold women accountable to help bring the balance back.
I mean, this is really destroying our society.
Do you think if your husband had held you accountable with your issues in a more stern fashion, your marriage would still be here?
No, I don't think that applies to my situation.
And I know what you're going to think, and I get it.
It's fair.
Well, he didn't go anywhere when you had a temper problem.
Did he hit you?
I can't talk about it.
I really can't talk about it.
It's actually sure you can.
But it's anyway.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
So I understand and I understand how it seems and I get it.
I get that.
I don't get it.
Well, it's a situation I'm not going to go into.
I can't legally, and I won't.
But it was four years ago, right?
That you divorced?
It's not done yet?
No, no, no, no, no.
It is part of the legal agreement.
So you signed an NDA? Basically.
So don't talk about it and just throw it away?
I mean, that was part of it.
I guess you could describe it as an NDA. Okay.
Alright, then we can move on.
So you think guys need to be able to put their foot down with girls?
Alright, what about you?
I feel like what I would like guys to know from my personal opinion is social media is not your reality.
Like, to men, social media is not your reality.
The same Instagram baddie female that you see, Nine children out of ten, you may not get.
And that's fine.
And that's fine.
But there's also someone outside of your house in the real world that you can get.
So understand to men that social media is not your reality.
Okay.
Who do you think is more negatively influenced by social media, men or women?
Women.
In general.
Let me say women.
Women.
Well, I was asking her specifically.
I would say men, actually.
You think so?
Why so?
Because men have more...
Like, men don't...
Like, okay.
Fresh, for example.
If Fresh's page doesn't...
If I don't see exactly what I want to see on Fresh's page, I'm going to keep swiping.
Like, I'm going to just keep scrolling.
Like, it's not...
If Fresh's page doesn't bring me any attraction or anything that I feel like would make me want to be around Fresh, I'm just going to keep scrolling and keep going about my game.
Okay.
Are you saying that as you as a woman looking at Fresh's page as a man, or are you saying if Fresh was a female and you were the man, what are you trying to say here?
I'm saying for basically both, but you're asking me who has the most problems within social media, the man or the woman, and I'm saying men.
Yeah, and then you said, because you gave an example, but I wasn't sure if you were referring to Fresh from a female perspective or a male.
I think as a man, and she's a woman, right?
No.
Then I gave the other example, and she said, no, it's both.
I was like, wait, what?
You didn't mean both.
She said both.
Okay, I'll rephrase it.
So basically...
I'll just rephrase it.
So basically what I mean is that if it's...
What I'm saying is how men have no chance on social media, it's...
I should rephrase it, right?
I was wrong.
So sorry.
I was.
I can accept my accountability.
Yeah, you're just confusing.
Basically, to paraphrase it, you're saying for a guy, if I'm a girl looking at his page, I gloss over it, I'll see what I want, on to the next.
Yes.
So if a guy is harder because options are pretty much like screwed because the girl has multiple options and she can just turn you over like this because as many guys are better pages than you.
Yes.
And most guys won't have the option because their page sucks on Instagram.
Because she's saying men think social media is real, but it's really the girls that are ones that are negatively impacted by the social media because they have more choice or they have a higher illusion of choice.
She's saying men are the ones that are losing because they don't get options on social media and it's not reality.
Exactly.
They should go outside and find men, sorry, find girls there because that's more of a reality to them because social media is kind of like a perception-based world.
Yeah.
Okay, I get what you're saying now, but that's not what she said.
That's not what I said.
I was going to get there.
Just help me get there.
Okay, so you're saying you don't got a chance on IG as a guy or you don't have as much of a chance as a woman go out there in real life.
Yes.
Yes.
Which gender do you think is more delusional though from social media, men or women?
Women.
From my point of view, I'm going to say women.
Okay.
Women are more delusional on social media.
Off of social media.
Off of social media, yes.
I'm sorry.
Off of social media.
Women are more delusional off of social media.
Okay.
So get off that Instagram and go talk to girls in real life.
Yes.
Yes.
Do exactly that.
Okay.
What is the chat saying, bro?
Yeah, okay.
We can go ahead and hit that.
15 up, Chris.
Goddamn.
Yeah.
We got here.
Yvette Simonis goes, question for ladies.
Raise your right hand if you sold your box before, and if yes, how much was it for one hour of your time?
All right.
Is anyone here ever sold a box?
No.
No cap.
No.
I would hope not.
Okay.
Have any of you ever had a sugar daddy?
No.
Have any?
Yes?
I have.
You have?
Okay.
How was that?
It was nice.
Wait, was it the guy that you were seeing before?
No, that was a relationship.
Okay.
So...
Yeah.
Okay.
Alright.
So she had a sugar daddy.
Yeah.
Alright.
Was he here in Miami?
No, it was Miami.
It was Florida.
So he would fluid you out every time or you would drive to him or what?
I'd drive.
I got paid to drive gas and cars.
I wasn't paying my car note.
He was paying my car note.
Damn, bro.
So she could choose to be independent and get a sugar daddy at the same time, bro?
It wasn't at the same time.
I know what you mean.
I'm saying it's elective.
You could be independent, but at the same time, if you don't want to be independent, you can go get a guy to get a sugar daddy.
That's the problem.
If you're hot enough, it's sustainable.
Trust me.
All right.
Roy Sensei 100 goes, keep on thriving, guys.
Thank you for the great content.
Question for the ladies.
Name three states.
All right.
I guess we could start.
Yeah, we could start right here.
Since you suck at saying what you got to say, so we'll give it to you first so you can get the best chances.
Name three states in the United States.
And you can't name Florida.
She doesn't want to name that.
You know what?
Okay.
Georgia, Alabama, and Texas.
Okay.
What about you?
Hey, y'all.
Hey, y'all.
Hey.
Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut.
Oh, can I not say Connecticut?
You're fine.
Arizona where?
Arkansas and Connecticut.
California, Washington, Georgia.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, someone said Georgia.
Okay, you gotta say one more.
One more.
Say one more.
Yeah.
Louisiana.
Louisiana what about you?
Ohio I'm saying she's winning She's so quiet.
Come on, Dora.
I'm only thinking of Virginia right now.
Come on, Dora, you explore.
Pull out your map.
I'm screaming a lot.
Virginia?
California?
Can you let her speak, please?
Go ahead.
Virginia?
Cali?
I'm sure you said Cali.
Two more.
Delaware?
Okay.
One more.
I know, right?
We believe in you.
I believe in me too.
I was joking.
What's that place called?
I forgot.
LA. I'll just say LA. That's California.
That's a city.
That's not a city.
Go right next to it.
What about you?
Iowa, West Virginia, and Kentucky.
What about you?
North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah.
Damn, you said it right in the middle.
I was looking for three states!
I thought about the ones you weren't going to mention.
Let's go here with Fresh's Balls.
Why do you pretend I don't exist, Fresh?
You're reading the chats like a shorty giving an unenthusiastic head.
Shorty three down for Fresh.
What is the difference between your box and a ribeye steak?
Fresh would like to eat them both.
Do it, big homie.
Yes, sir!
Yes, sir!
You have anything you want to say back to Fresh the balls?
Don't respond.
Yes, sir!
Don't respond.
Don't respond.
Get them fresh.
Get them.
No, bro.
Oh, my bad.
If you try Honduran, bro, you know.
Wait, if you try Honduran, you'll know?
If you try Honduran food, you'll understand.
Would you add a down to Marco or anything like that?
Can we just go on?
I don't think that deserves a down to Marco.
That deserves a...
Okay, we'll continue on.
Jeremiah Dunn goes, my new book idea, instead of why women deserve less, next could be why women are all the same.
You guys are single-handedly proving this.
Yeah, there's been a lot of things that were proven.
Black Wolf Inc.
What's somebody else?
Sorry, you're That's how we feel too.
Yeah, all men are the same.
But the difference is that men, they say that they're special and they're different like women do, though.
Guys, admit that we're all the same.
I gotta say to the mustache dude in the back next to Scripadora, the BBC Explorer, that I love the new Super Mario Brothers movie.
Your mustache makes me say, it's-a me, a Mario.
Oh, shit.
You killed my brother, you sons of bitches.
First of all, this is a lip liner.
Okay.
For all y'all funny honey.
Oh it is?
Mamma mia!
No, I'm just kidding.
Okay.
Maziem, Ethiopia cap on all the creative director choreographer stuff.
Her answers gave it all away.
Freelance dancer for hire casted for one off at best.
The baby's camp don't know you.
She's also going to be very vague and put together the entire show.
You have anything you want to say back to me?
Trying to say you're a capper.
Okay.
So this is something that I don't have to explain.
You know, there's some people out there who want you to kind of elaborate and blah, blah, blah, blah.
I know what I've done.
I know my resume.
And it's just that simple.
Okay.
FT3 says, middle girl's husband cheated because he realized other women aren't walking around with painted mustaches.
What the fuck is that?
Okay, IRS. Ladies, for the love of God, don't operate any heavy machinery that carries passengers or toxic waves or any sort of your decision-making skills and ability to think on your feet is on the level of Bobby Boucher?
Boucher?
Yeah.
Who's that?
Bobby Boucher.
Hey, also, guys...
Crypto Mindset course is open.
Go ahead and get in there, guys.
If you guys are tired of being brokies, because to be honest with y'all, you guys can see girls build.
They don't move in.
No, sorry.
They don't build.
They move in.
You guys got to fucking build.
So stop being a brokie.
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All our guys made a ton of money and then make these women financially irrelevant.
Charlie in the back there chilling.
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George Kyprios goes all the way from Australia.
This panel's uglier than my rugby team.
I'm off to the gym now.
F-ing up the number one podcast.
You ain't even done a profile picture, nigga.
Alright, long live gaming.
There's no such thing as a former pathological liar.
Oh, shit.
You have anything you want to say back to him?
Ask your mom.
Oh!
Boom!
Okay!
Shout out from Taiwan.
Hey!
Shout out to you, Taiwan.
Shout to you, bro.
Three diglets.
Shut up, bitch.
Rocky Mavia like La Roca.
As JFE goes, you're right, women are nurturers.
They're also emotional.
So that same nurturing that she'll give me during my pain, she'll also use it as a weapon to cut me when she's emotional.
Ooh!
Expect women to be women, regardless of the type of woman she is.
That's a good point.
That's facts, though.
A lot of girls get all that emotional crap from you, then use it against you, you bitch-ass nigga!
Yeah.
You cry all the time!
Yep.
You have anything you want to say back to that?
That just goes back to the type of woman you're with.
That means she's not the right one for you.
She won't walk out of that one.
He just said, expect women to be women.
So she may be cool with you at the beginning, but she may turn on you at the end.
I mean, she should never turn on you.
I mean, she shouldn't.
But she might.
And she probably will.
Nah.
No, I got...
No, no, no, no.
A situation happened.
You know what I'm saying?
And it was also abusive as well.
So that was not something that...
That wasn't an ideal situation.
But if we're talking about where there's love between the two, you know...
Love comes and goes, right?
It just depends.
Depends on where the mindset is.
Nothing is costing.
If we're talking about the woman, I believe women love harder.
Listen, all three of you guys got married and all three of you guys divorced.
Two.
Two.
And then, first of all...
People crack jokes about divorce and shit, but y'all will...
Like, you won't understand.
That's how you truly get to know a person.
That's how if you truly...
It shows, you know, are you truly there...
You're one now.
Your bullshit is their bullshit.
I disagree with the point that women love harder than men do.
I think men actually love women more because there's less prerequisites for a man to love a woman.
And the thing is that men tend to love, I would say, shout out to Rolo, love idealistically versus women love opportunistically.
Women love men for what they provide.
Men love women for real.
No, I don't believe that.
I feel...
I believe that...
Now, if you are talking, let's say, piggybacking off what you said about the guys who do love harder.
Well, I feel they allow the one that they did love to run away because they won't truly...
If the woman ran away, doesn't that mean that she clearly didn't love him as much as he loved her?
No, that's not true.
Turmoil was created.
By you.
Say again?
By you.
You said by you.
What?
By you.
By you?
No.
Uh-uh.
No, no, no.
Okay, if I'm providing examples, just anger could play a factor.
People not, how I was saying earlier about not being vulnerable with one another, that causes turmoil.
One, being standoffish when it's supposed to be You and the other person and you're kind of just wanting to be all to yourself, but it's like, okay, certain people just shouldn't be married in the first place.
Everyone's not.
I like being married.
The reason why I don't think that it's the same is because men, right, men are only loved under the premise they provide value.
Women are loved regardless if they choose to provide value or not.
That's why I say that.
Now, okay, let me talk about my current situation.
Remember how I'm not speaking about you specifically.
Maybe you might be an exception to the rule where you'll love a man idealistically, but what I'm saying in general, if I line up 100 women, most women are going to love a man based on the premise that they provide value first.
A woman cannot love a man until he provides value first, then she'll fall in love with him.
But with men, we don't have the same, I guess, rigors that women have to adhere to for us to love them.
Is she hot?
Is she attractive?
Not a pain in the ass?
Is she loyal?
Cool.
You're probably going to get love from a guy to a degree.
Women, on the other hand, you got to check all these boxes to get love from them.
Right.
That's why I'm saying...
Right.
And if we're talking about you saying, like, if you line up those women and then you...
I can agree on that.
Yeah.
So you can't use yourself as an exception to the rule to make an argument.
And then when I speak, I just speak from experience.
That's all.
And I just speak from...
Emotional!
I understand that, but speaking from experience significantly, it limits your ability to be objective because you're going off your own personal experience and your personal experience might not necessarily be reflective of the world.
I'll give you an example.
Right, I'm multi-owner famous, right?
Whatever.
Can I sit here and say world hunger isn't real because I don't experience it?
That'd be asinine to say that, correct?
Because it's definitely real, even though I don't experience it.
That's the example I would give why it's very foolish to use your own personal experiences in general talk conversations.
Because your own experience might not be reflective of reality.
It could be or it could not be.
But you've got to go off of the generalities, not your personal experiences.
Right.
And I only go over on my...
I go based off of my experiences when you're speaking on my opinion.
That's it.
But if we're generally speaking...
You made a fairly general statement saying women love harder, and that's why I'm pushing back on it.
Okay, okay.
If you said I love harder, then there might be an argument to be made, but I say in general, women only love men under the premise that they provide value.
And this isn't just humans.
This is all mammals.
Yeah.
You look at all mammals, all women practice breathless law.
As soon as that guy no longer provides value, they don't give a fuck.
They move on to the stronger male.
The lion comes in and beats up the male lion of the pride.
She goes into heat and fucks that other lion and lets that other lion come in and kill all the other ones.
Hell, you go into smaller animals, you look at hyenas, the female runs everything, and they pretty much use the guy as an expendable commodity.
Right?
To help her hunt and everything else like that.
The black widow spider, if I'm not mistaken, after she mates, she kills the man off.
So in the entire animal kingdom, men are only given sexual access and or love under the premise they provide value.
And I think that's okay, but we gotta acknowledge this cold hard reality that women are natural extractors of male value.
So my question is, if, you know, you mentioned how men love harder, if men love harder, why do they sabotage?
It's actually women that sabotage relationships because they're the ones that initiate the breakups.
No, I don't agree with that.
This is a fact that women initiate breakups more than men do.
This is a fact.
Just for the point.
I mean, I know you made, um, you had us, you asked us a question as far as has anyone, raise your hand if anyone has been through, um, someone who's broken up with them or whatever they are, you know what I'm saying?
And I was just kind of saying, it was like a, a, a, a equal thing on my plan.
And she was saying, yeah, she's an exception to the rule.
Crazy.
I've never met a girl that's been broken up with more than she's broken up with men.
That's a, that's a first.
congratulations but like heart like ballpark it is girls have pretty much broken up or tend to us before they've been broken up once so my question is based off of the guys who sabotage like Not speaking on why, if a man loves that woman so much that he claims, why does he sabotage it?
Because he just wants to get up the next day and do something different.
How do they sabotage?
Be specific.
What do you mean by the sabotage?
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, you made the arguments.
Substantiate it.
How do they fuck it up?
You talk a lot.
Oh, I do?
Thanks.
I've been like that all my life.
Okay.
But how do they sabotage it?
Specifically.
That current woman not being enough.
That woman that he claims he loves so much not being enough.
And he has to go test the waters.
And fidelity?
Okay.
Here's a cold hard reality for you.
You're never going to sexually satisfy a guy by yourself.
It's not about sex.
I'm not speaking on sex.
I'm talking about emotionally.
Oh, wait.
Oh, wait.
You did.
You did.
Yes.
Yes, you did.
You did.
My bad.
That's not what I meant.
No.
I'm speaking on, like, emotionally.
Like, you have to emotionally love somebody.
You love someone.
Why are you...
Why does your mind have to think about anybody else?
Not in a sexual act.
Well, what I said before, typically women, it's sexual only.
Are you talking about emotional cheating?
It's sexual.
They still love their girl the same.
They just want new pussy.
That's what it comes down to.
It's the woman that sabotages it because she finds out about the cheating and breaks it up.
I mean, hell, you even did that in your situation.
I guarantee you, the man that you divorced, though, still loved you and didn't really care about that other butch to the same level you cared about you.
But women have an issue with accepting the fact that men can compartmentalize sex and make it physical only.
You can't do that, which goes to my argument I always make that women lack empathy skills.
Y'all have sympathy, but you guys severely lack empathy.
Right.
I feel like no one on both ends, you know, like, if you both say you love someone, neither one of y'all should be indulging in somebody else.
Because at the end of the day, that means y'all just aren't...
No, you shouldn't be indulging in anyone else because you're a woman.
That's not true.
The man shouldn't be indulging in nobody else either.
Well, that does not change the fact that he can still love you while indulging into someone else, but you cannot love him while indulging with someone else.
That's the difference.
Mm-hmm.
But why?
What is the logic?
Because men and women are different.
Women typically tie sex to emotion significantly.
So since sex is tied to emotion, it's very difficult for a woman to have sex with another man or even look at another man, to be honest with you, when she's with a man that she truly admires and respects.
But it is not difficult for a man to look at another woman or even have sex with a woman when he's with a woman that he loves and admires and respects.
We're not the same.
Your loyalty is required.
My loyalty to you when it comes to sex is fairly elective because I can pick and choose the girls I want to have sex with and the girls that I love.
So it's okay basically.
It's okay for the male to do whatever.
It's not destructive to the relationship like it is when a woman has sex with another man.
It is.
I mean, it just depends on the house.
I just basically want to piggyback off of it.
Basically, what he's just saying is...
No, she understands.
She just doesn't like it.
No, it's not that.
It's not what I don't like or what...
It's not what...
I'm speaking on the behalf of those who truly...
Love someone and wants to understand as far as, you know, I get what you're saying, how men are and their mindset, right?
And I guess my question is basically like, okay, yes, this is the mindset of majority of men.
Is there another mind, or I mean, I'm not another mind, another thought that's like, okay, I shouldn't do this because I feel this way.
Is it just an all-in decision?
I've got to have my cake and eat it too.
Yes, men do not think with their emotions.
They clearly think with their penis.
It's clear as day.
It's clear as day.
Men literally do not think with their emotions, they think with their penis.
Us women, we think with our emotions and our nice little area.
So that's why we get attached to the sex.
Have you ever gotten, literally, have you ever cheated on someone, gone home and started acting different towards him because you just came back from having sex with him?
Versus a man can literally go out, cheat with you, and probably do three females in a day, come back home, and like, nothing happened, get in the bed with you and cuddle up and go to sleep.
That's literally that.
That's why.
That right there.
Pretty good.
I think it's to what you were saying, emotional cheating and sexual cheating, where women don't just cheat sexually.
Usually there's an emotional component to it.
So when they are cheating emotionally, it's not just sex because they usually form a bond in some way, whether it be like, I don't tell my husband this thing so I can tell it to you.
That's where that...
I think for a lot of women, that's where that comes from, where men aren't going to these women that they're fucking 90% of the time and telling them, like, oh, you know, like, I feel this way at home if they're not doing it at home.
They're not falling in love with you.
Yeah.
Like, women, if they're doing it at home, they're probably also doing it with the person that you...
You said you like communication.
What if your guy told you right now, I want to fuck other bitches?
Would you stay with him?
No.
There you go.
There you go.
That's why men aren't honest with women.
Can't tell you the truth.
Can't tell y'all the truth because you guys can't handle it.
Yep.
Because, I mean, that means that person is not enough for you.
And I think it's because...
But I just explained to you that you're never going to be enough for a man physically by yourself.
So you feel all men are that way?
95% of men would prefer having two to three girls versus just having one.
It's just male biology.
You guys always want something different.
Men want quantity and variety.
Men's need for variety is way stronger than women's need for variety.
It's just a fact.
It's a biological fact.
So that's basically like, have you ever had a sneaky link?
And then it was just you and the sneaky link?
And then the sneaky link one day just was like, yeah, let's have a threesome.
For what?
I thought it was just me and you.
Now you want to add somebody in because it's not because you can, now you as that woman, you can take it as, oh, I wasn't doing enough or you can take it as whatever.
But at the end of the day, he's still a man.
He just wants to try some new shit.
It doesn't matter about what you did, how you made him feel.
He just wants to try a new...
It's as simple as that.
And then we can...
I mean, can we say that society has made that divide of what is allowed for men and what is and isn't allowed for women?
Society didn't make it.
Biology made it.
How so?
So we're worried.
Okay.
Can you go ahead and fuck 20 guys in a month and feel good about yourself?
First thought.
Oh, how about the rest of you?
Can any of you feel good about fucking 20 guys in a month and feel good about yourself?
Absolutely.
All right, if I fuck 20 girls a month, I'm going to feel fantastic.
And I think most guys would feel fantastic.
And the reason why is because men and women respond to sex differently.
It's biology.
It's not societal things.
I would say that society adapted to the biological realities in different ways, right?
Right.
Most religions restrict female sexuality and sexual promiscuity with females because they know that it negatively impacts their mindset, etc.
And promiscuity on men is more accepted.
So I think societal norms and standards have come from biological differences in men to protect the genders from their inherent dangers that sex presents to the genders.
So The thing is that you're kind of operating on, I wish it was like this way, but it's not that way.
Men and women don't look at sex the same.
And I think, you know, this comes back to what I said before.
Most women have an over-inflated sense of self-worth, and most women think that they're special.
But the reality is, y'all are not as special as you guys think you are, especially when it comes to sex.
Different hole, different goal.
That's what guys want.
Different women.
Men really want variety.
It's just that most guys don't have the value to dictate variety because they know, just like your situation, they don't have the value to dictate that.
Quite frankly, I'll be honest with you.
Your guy that's in the military, he doesn't have the value built up yet to be able to tell you, I'm going to have sex with other women and you're going to accept it.
Because you know that you can go ahead and get another guy that you think will be monogamous to you, even though he probably won't be.
But that's typically how women behave.
Women will accept infidelity from the guy that has the high value or high status.
But the problem is that most guys don't have the status to demand the ability to be polygamous.
I got one question for you because you said he was in the military.
Is he active or reserved?
He's active.
So that means he relocates to different things and different duty stations and everything like that.
So you're the girlfriend so you don't go with him.
We've only been together for five months.
So he's actually, so right now he's not going anywhere for a long time.
And we've had conversations where because of our relationship and what we want to do, we won't move around, if that makes sense.
So he has a choice.
He has a choice where he wants to go because he's a higher rank.
Oh, okay.
That indicates some of my questions.
Okay, but with that...
So, okay.
I'll just throw it out there like this.
What was your point?
My point was...
Matter of fact, I can go back to this.
My point was, if one day he picks up and goes off to Japan for a whole entire year, you can't go, what do you think is going to happen over there?
Do you know if he's not going to cheat?
At that point, I'm not them or crazy.
I know what goes on.
Right, so you have to accept that.
Because at the end of the day, that's the military man.
Are you going to literally have the military man walk up out of your life?
That military man is setting you up for life.
At the end of the day, you can get married to him tomorrow and be set for life, regardless of whatever happens to him.
Just because it happens doesn't mean I have to accept it.
But would you, though?
No.
Because I wouldn't do it.
She basically answered.
I get what you're saying.
You're trying to present a different scenario if he goes away for a year.
I think whatever she doesn't find out is whatever.
But if she finds out, it's over.
And that stems from what I said before.
At this point, he does not have the vibe to dictate being polygamous with her.
What?
Bringing into the thing that you were saying about...
Sorry, and to the thing you were saying about how the reason that women are upset with the whole infidelity thing is because men don't have that standard of providing the needs that they do.
Do you think that's why there's so much divide now compared to before when men were the main...
Wait, can you ask the question one more time?
You confused me right there with women providing.
When you were saying that the reason that women...
Don't accept infidelity in relationships mainly is because if you're a providing man, then I will be more willing to accept infidelity.
Do you believe that because nowadays it requires more of a two-parent household and two dual-income household and more work from other people that that's why that divide is happening in between relationships?
I'm not saying that that's the only But do you think that's a large factor?
Because there is a second need for a second provider in homes nowadays.
For the modern, like not modern, I would say for the average person, do you believe that that plays in such a large factor?
Because if I'm also providing to the household and providing the needs that, let's say, as a traditional man you should be doing, then do I have more of a reason or right to be upset at your infidelity if I'm also bringing in the money and paying the bills?
Your question is very disconjoined, but I'm going to answer it.
I'm sorry, I couldn't explain it.
I understand what you're asking, basically.
Instead of me answering it directly, what I'll do is I'll give you an example so you understand what I'm trying to say even better.
Typically what I found is, the more the woman provides when it comes to provisioning, paying bills, and having a financial contribution, the less likely she is to accept any form of infidelity from that man.
Of course, yes.
The less she contributes to the situation, Or, more importantly, the more money her man makes and the higher social status the man has acquired, the more likely she is to accept him being polygamous.
Because I think deep down in the back of her mind, women are naturally designed to share a man if he's high value and high status enough.
You could look at old...
Archaeological records.
And they found that like in 80 plus percent of societies, men that were at the top of the totem pole were polygamous and women were okay with it.
Yeah.
They had multiple wives.
50, 30 wives.
It was acceptable.
So that's kind of the balance.
The more the man provides and the more status the man has acquired, the more attractive he is to a multitude of women and the more likely women will accept it.
Of course.
Of course, yes.
But on the other hand, the more she contributes to the relationship, especially from a financial provisioning situation, the less likely she is to tolerate that man having other women.
So do you think that plays a large effect in the conversations and things that we're having today about modern male and female roles?
And like how you were saying infidelity, that's the biggest thing a lot of...
Reasons why women divorce is infidelity.
Do you believe if a lot of women are also bringing in that household that they not have more of a right, but you can kind of see why it's kind of like, if my man is paying all my bills like they were in the 80s, then if he has a second family on the side, excuse me, I'm so sorry, he has a secret family on the side, I don't care because guess what?
Me and my kids are being fed if that man dies, my name is still on all the paperwork.
I'm still getting a house.
But do you think That's not the only factor, obviously, there's a million factors, but do you think that's a large reasoning into why?
Yes.
I mean, yeah, women typically, I mean, there's a bunch of reasons.
This is a very multi-pronged answer, but what I'm saying in general is that the less the man provides, the less likely she is to accept certain things from that man, which they include infidelity.
This is why guys that, like, are bums, right?
If they cheat on their girl, a lot of times a girl's stepping out.
She's like, what the fuck?
Like, I made a concession, right?
To be with you.
I suppressed my sexual strategy of wanting a man that's better than me to be with you, and you cheat on me?
They look at it as an insult, right?
At least be a millionaire and cheat on me.
So, yeah, I mean, it just comes down to what I tell women is this.
A guy is only as faithful as his option.
So even a dude that's making 30k per year, not really providing for you, hell, y'all could be 70-30, he's only paying 30% of the bills.
I'm saying that guy is just as prone to cheat on you as a dude that's a multi-millionaire.
So I tell girls, just get the rich guy.
Yeah, if you have the option, yeah, yeah, I get what you mean.
Just get the fucking rich guy, because...
He's gonna do it anyways.
Most of the time.
No, if...
He's going to do it anyways, quote-unquote.
So if you have the option to be crying a Bentley or crying like a Honda.
I'm critical of men, too.
And what I say is, take the most faithful guy, right?
Take a dude that's five-footed and making 50k per year, and he'd be the best husband ever, right?
Give that dude a blue check on Instagram, a real one, and $3 million into sports cars.
Bro, he's going to be fucking models the next day.
Of course.
It doesn't matter what he looks like.
Yeah.
And actually, they did a study on this and they found that one of the leading contributors to a man being promiscuous and having sex with a lot of different women is money.
Is it not the biggest contributor?
Well, yeah, but it's the main catalyst for men having sex with a lot of women.
And, you know, there's a bunch of explanations for that.
I would say the biggest explanation is that men can actually pay for the sex.
Yeah.
Right?
A lot of guys pay for the woman to leave versus, you know, it is what it is, right?
Like every...
And I mean, I hate to use personal experience, but I can say anecdotally, from all the wealthy guys I know, most of them pay for box.
It's incredible.
A lot of them do.
Like situationally, you mean like dates and like...
Or do you mean physically pay for sex?
Both.
They're tricking off with sugar daddies as sugar daddies or they're paying the woman overtly for sex.
Okay.
A lot of wealthy guys, which makes sense with the real data that the biggest contributor to men being promiscuous and having a lot of partners is money.
So what I'm saying is that women are less likely to tolerate a broke guy cheating versus a guy that has money.
But what I tell women is, just accept that most men are going to cheat on you, so just get the best guy that you're willing to tolerate it from.
I understand.
That's my practical advice to women.
They get mad at me for saying that shit.
Ugh, you're enabling adultery, blah, blah, blah.
But I say it's ingrained in men to exercise options.
So find a guy that you're willing to tolerate it from.
I think the way you explained it here made like a lot of sense, but I think sometimes in the explanation, it gets kind of lost in translation.
Yeah, because women are listening to me through their emotions and not through practicality.
I'm telling you from a practical sense, if you know 95% of men are going to cheat on you, you might as well go ahead and find a guy that you're willing to accept it from.
But so many women have crazy egos.
I think that they're special and the world revolves around them that they think, how dare you cheat on me?
I'm a woman.
But the reality is, is that what you bring to the table as a lady, A lot of other girls can bring to the table.
The things that men look for in women are common.
Beauty, youth, fertility, don't be a pain in the ass, make me a sandwich.
This will please most men.
But guess what?
99% of women can't provide this.
That's why I be telling women that you're not as special as you think you are, but that's considered misogynistic in today's day and age.
So I tell girls, pick the best guy, get him to commit to you, be the top girl, if he fucks another bitch, it ain't that serious.
Who does he love?
Who has the last name?
Alright then.
That's the best I've heard a girl take it, though.
I just wanted you to explain.
Most girls get mad when I say that shit.
They get really mad at me.
I just wanted your thought process, honestly.
I think most guys think this way.
They can't obviously vocalize it, but the only difference is that guys that have higher status and more money have the ability to vocalize it and say, fuck off what you think, lady.
But most guys just can't say it.
Ladies, you found the man of your dreams.
He's tall, handsome, fit, etc.
When he comes home every day, he hangs his muscles up in the closet.
He's always skinny around you.
How does that make you feel?
I see what he's doing.
I see where they're going with this.
I feel like this would be equivalent of removing your titties, not your eyelashes, though.
I'll say that.
I think the closer...
This is more analogous to makeup.
Makeup.
Because let's be honest here, women can raise their looks points by two to three points off makeup alone.
Yeah, definitely.
Okay.
So what are y'all thoughts of that?
Anybody have an opinion?
I think it was self-explanatory...
Oh, I have one thought on that.
Sorry.
If you think she's ugly without makeup, don't date her.
That's what I'm saying.
As a guy, you should know if you want to be with that girl, you should know if she looks like without makeup.
Some women hide it.
If you go to sleep with her and wake up with her, you don't know if she's ugly without makeup.
That's a problem.
That shit go crazy.
Next day.
I'm going to the beach.
I'm going to the beach.
That's a problem.
I have dual uncut.
Ladies question.
Why, I guess you mean men, are taught to be gentlemen, but women aren't taught how to be women, but ladies?
In the society, please, honest answer, please.
Oh, okay.
Okay, this is a good question.
He's saying, so just to make it clear, he's saying, why are men taught how to be gentlemen, but women aren't necessarily taught how to be ladies?
Who wants to go first and tackle that?
I would say I kind of point at social media and reality TV shows and you have women throwing drinks at restaurants and cussing out loud and just acting crazy and then they turn around and get paid for this stuff and they get famous from these things and then people glorify it.
I think that is why you know It's okay, people think, but it's not.
And people should say, listen, being a lady is very essential because the real man that wants you or that we're talking about that wants you at home and raising your children is not that one who's throwing drinks and acting crazy and stuff like that.
So to summarize what you said, it's positive reinforcement to very bad behavior that isn't unladylike.
Mm-hmm.
Interesting.
Okay.
Anybody else want to take a stab?
I want to say it's...
She said social media, but I just want to say it's a product of your environment because if your mother was not raised to learn how to properly be a lady, how is that going to look down the generational pool?
No one in that family is going to know how to be a proper lady if that's the case.
It's more so just about...
So you're adding to her point, saying that it also has to do not just with social media, but a product of your environment, maybe bad motherhood.
Yes.
Okay.
Anybody else want to take a...
My point was pretty much direct to hers.
Not just motherhood, but just the community you grew up in in general, like your village, quote-unquote.
Yeah.
Learning to be a lady is not just and I think this is the thing that we believe like you don't just learn to be a lady from just a woman you learn to be a lady from a woman and a man you learn to be a lady from a man because of the way you allow him to treat your father the way that your father when you like for example if you're a girl there are certain relationships your father should have with you not because he's a man but because this he's giving an example of what men should be treating you when you're and same thing with a mom like as a mom your son should be you should be a direct reflection of how women should treat you A son,
your mom should be a direct reflection of how a woman should be treating you in a relationship.
I think that these parental units, not just one-parent homes, but in general, parents don't have time to parent anymore.
Everyone's kids are on social media.
Everyone's kids are being parentified by school.
Parents aren't parentifying their kids and teaching them the values.
In other cultures, you learn to clean, you learn to cook.
They physically teach you these things.
These are not cultural things that are taught in the States.
Anybody else have anything?
I would say that's...
She made a valid point about how you're raised and how you're raised, but then we talk about the women who are adults already acting out, you know, and who did, who were raised properly, who don't simply apply it.
That's a choice.
That's a choice.
Because at that point, you choose, like, you know better, that's literally as you know better, you do better.
So it's like, if you know, literally, I can tell you...
I can tell you right now, I know me throwing a drink in her face right now is not ladylike.
It's not going to have any beneficial meanings towards me.
Anybody else have anything that they want to say?
Why men are typically taught to be gentlemen and women are not taught to be ladies?
I know on the women's side, especially not with feminism and stuff, there's a lot of women that are acting more like men, I guess.
They're more masculine.
They're bosses.
They want to be bosses.
They want to provide for themselves.
I guess the gender roles have changed a bit after feminism.
I feel that the gender roles have changed tremendously, if you ask me.
Not even just a little bit.
That's a big reason.
At least for the women's side.
I don't know about the gentlemen.
I guess that's still a standard for men.
Like I said, it kind of goes back to what I was saying before.
Women expect a certain type of man, but they're not.
They want a traditional man, but they're not traditionally acting like a lady.
Yeah, women aren't held to the same standard.
They have less accountability in a lot of aspects.
Okay.
I just feel like now you probably run into...
I don't know.
I run into less guys being gentlemen.
Yeah, I think it's as a result of...
I feel like the women aren't being feminine.
What tends to happen, I feel, where women have that masculine sense is because it's like a...
A wall that comes up when we feel disrespected.
It's like, wait, you know, and it's a protective mechanism, not saying it's right, not saying it's justified.
But when we are disrespected or disregarded, you know, we are then trying to protect self all because that guy isn't being a gentleman or hasn't been taught to be a gentleman or isn't practicing those things.
So do you mean like in situations where a woman is kind of forced to fulfill a more masculine role?
Is that what you're talking about?
You kind of lost me with that question.
I just want to piggyback on what she said about the whole gentlemen series.
This question right here.
I would also say it has to deal with a lack of father figures in the homes because how she said you also have to learn how to be a woman from a man and a female.
I feel like that's the same thing for a young man as well.
If there's no father figure to even develop the relationship with his little girl to properly show her Hey, this is how you need to act around a man, and this is how a man needs to treat you.
And there's also not a father figure in the home to tell his son, hey, this is how I treat your mother, and this is how your mother would like to be.
Yeah, this is how you would like to act.
And you're right about that.
How many of you grew up in a two-parent household?
Both father and mother there?
Are they still together to this day?
No, until I was 20, so I consider that growing up.
Okay, what about you?
Your parents are still together?
Yeah.
What about you?
Are your parents still together?
They were divorced when I was 10.
Okay, so you grew up in a single mom household then.
So, okay, so you didn't have your dad.
And the rest of you guys didn't grow up in a single mother household.
No, no, no.
Both my parents are still together.
Okay, so you grew up in a two-parent household too.
Okay.
I just want to get an idea because I do agree that a lack of fatherhood is a big problem as to why.
I mean, you guys mentioned a bunch of good things.
Social media, reality, television, positive reinforcement to poor behavior.
Feminism.
Not being a lady.
Feminism.
Product of environment, which you mentioned, which I think that's especially indicative in the black community.
People are going to hate me for saying that.
But, you know, if you look at the African-American community in general, there's a huge fatherless household.
And then if you look at the music, if you look at black women in general, what do they do?
Niggas ain't shit.
We continue to kind of Perpetuate the stereotype that men aren't shit and you don't need a man, etc.
And I think that's a big part of it.
I mean, not just the black community, but fatherless households in general are all fucked up, but it just seems to be that that's where it's the most prevalent.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
No, I was just going to say, if I could comment on the fatherlessness, I think we're also forgetting that there's Behavior on the part of women that have discouraged father involvement within two-parent homes as well.
I had to get that in there.
I know.
I had to dig it in, right?
Like, for instance, a dad goes to do rough-and-tumble play with his kids.
He goes to wrestle, and the mom comes in, oh, no, no, no, no, you know, and prevents that.
And so the message keeps getting sent that, you know, the dad's going to back away and not be as involved.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, that's a very, like, boiled down example.
To kind of...
Go.
Go ahead.
You got it.
Go ahead.
Go, queen.
I was just going to say, when you were talking about, you know, just the dad's not being in the home, it also kind of the mom then has to be both.
That's what I meant by being forced in a masculine role.
And so then as the child you're watching...
You know, mom having to protect and provide and nurture.
And then the mom forgets, if we're talking about from the woman's side, the mom isn't able to teach those womanly things to her daughter necessarily because she's focused on making sure the house is afloat, right?
Yeah.
And that's another issue aside from the dad not being present, being able to teach.
But the mom also has to teach as well.
But if she's having to maintain the house...
We're missing those key conversations.
I think the important thing is the mother is supposed to teach the daughter how to be a lady and the father is supposed to reinforce what happens if she doesn't behave like a lady.
Correct.
For example, like typically fathers are disciplinarians and I'll let you know, like, hey, if you don't behave or you don't adhere to certain societal norms, you're going to deal with consequences.
For example, you know, he catches his son with weed.
Hey, what the fuck are you doing?
Smack him.
It's better that he smacks him versus the police slapping cuffs on him.
Now he's a product of the state, right?
Mm-hmm.
Same thing with women, right?
I always say, you know, good dads keep daughters off of shirt poles and sons out of jail.
He tells his daughter, if you don't behave like a lady or if you be a hoe, you're not going to be respected by men.
You're not going to get men taking you seriously and you're going to live a life that's going to suck, right?
Your mother teaches you how to be a lady.
The dad reinforces what happens if you're not a lady.
Does anybody else have anything?
And not just family, but while speaking about community, I think that we also forget that a lot of us did not just grow up with our parents.
We had a lot of other uncles on.
That village mentality is no longer with us in a society.
And that's what I was trying to say about cultural things.
It's hard to have a nuclear family, let alone an extended family.
Exactly.
Nowadays, people don't even know their neighbors, let alone the person.
If you don't know the person who's living next to you and your kids playing in the street, you don't have that.
And a lot of cultures still have it where it's like, Yes.
If I, as a kid, run around and do something bad and my mom's not there and someone else is, they have the right to smack me and be like, you don't do that.
You know, like if your parents were here, You're not supposed to do that.
Why are you doing it in front of me?
Like an elder in other countries is allowed to discipline you when your parents aren't home.
And that lack of village is largely contributing to what we have because there are single parent households.
So not only are we losing the male parental figure, but we're losing all of the additional help that we have, like as a unit, as a village that we, the elder cultures still kind of carry.
And even those cultures are losing that.
No, I used to get disciplined in school.
Hell yeah!
The teacher's part of that village.
Now you go to jail.
If you get into a kid's face too close, you'll go to jail.
They'll arrest you as a teacher.
You can't do that shit anymore.
Even back in the day, your teacher used to be part of that village.
Back in the day, your mom could literally go to a teacher-parent conference with sport.
If my child is at home and at school, we're going to get in the middle and make a meeting.
But now, there's no lines of communication anywhere.
That village is gone.
And more than that, though, like, I don't know how it was when you were a kid, but when I was a kid, when you, when your teacher was, like, let's say your teacher told your parent, you know, you go to your mom, you say, I got in trouble.
The mom said, what did you do?
What did you do?
Not, you know.
Now it's, what did your teacher do?
Instead of, what did you do?
Now it's, let's call the district and get them fired.
There was a bus driver that got fired, like, a couple days ago, or maybe a week ago.
Stopping the bus.
Oh, yeah!
And then he, like, stopped the bus.
Well, he warned them too.
He said, hey, if y'all don't sit down, you're going to have to do something.
They didn't sit down.
He hits the brakes.
They fucking, a couple of times, hit their heads on the fucking, you know, seat in front of them, which I thought was hilarious because our bus driver used to do that shit too.
Exactly.
All the time.
It's like the most primitive way of teaching people that there's consequences to not following directions.
Exactly.
And I think that's a great life lesson.
Mm-hmm.
They did that shit to me when I was a kid in the 90s all day, and we learned.
We all sat our asses down.
But nowadays, that guy is getting disciplined, and he's getting fired for it.
And I think that's a big problem where no one can intervene.
I mean, we barely have parents involved, let alone...
Teachers.
Neighbors.
I wanted to arguably say, like, over the last 10 years, it's drastically gotten that way, though.
Drastically.
Like, because even then I can say, and when I was in middle school, and that's 10 years ago, I was in middle school, my teacher and my mom were actively parenting.
I got put, like, my bus driver was actively being a bus driver.
You didn't listen?
Great.
Now everybody's going to be intervened.
The principle is, everybody is.
With over these last 10 years span, and especially COVID had a tremendous, a lot to do with this.
Going on the virus.
Nobody acts like we can deal with each other anymore.
Can I say an unpopular opinion?
I think gentle parenting has also contributed.
I'm not trying to say gentle parenting is all wrong.
We say kids need to be slapped on the shoulder.
Like what he said, no consequences of your action.
The bus driver's telling these kids to sit down.
They're not sitting.
He hits the brake.
I think with gentle parenting, what's happening with a lot of people, and I think it's just because they're doing it wrong.
I don't know.
I'm not a psychologist, but You're telling your kid not to do something.
Someone who doesn't have a concept of consequences, you're not teaching them the concept of consequences.
And then when they continue to do the thing you tell them not to do, you don't give them consequences.
So how do you expect these people to grow up and to be productive adults that understand the reality of their actions?
Like, if I do this thing, yeah, it might feel good to me, but I'm hurting this person and there's a consequence to me hurting this person.
A lot of people, and we're losing that ability to empathize with people.
We're losing the ability to sympathize with people.
And these small forms of things that we think are Good things to change society.
We're actually losing what makes society like a society.
Like we, like most people don't, like I was saying, most people don't know their neighbors.
Like I'm a property praiser.
I have to like go to people's houses.
When I'm hearing stories about people knocking on the wrong neighbor's door and getting shot, it's like, that could have been your neighbor asking for help and you didn't know who it was.
Like most people don't even know who lives in the communities around them.
Doesn't that speak though to a, like, How fearful.
But that's the thing of community.
And there was community.
With community and village, when you're losing that connection with other people, you lose that sense of comfortability and that safety that you have with community.
And that's the whole village thing.
Losing that village is not just losing parents.
It's losing security guards.
It's losing teachers.
It's losing...
Mentors, it's losing all of these things, and we're having all these small little forms of...
Your coaches.
Yeah, that we're contributing, calling it gentle parenting, calling it all these small things, but in reality, we're actually negatively impacting the next wave of adults.
Right.
And then we already have these current issues with relationships and everything, and now...
We're not even able to understand relationships in a way to make our society, you know, go to what it's supposed to be.
And then we're raising these adults that don't have any of these other things.
Like, what do we expect this next?
Well, it's because, you know, I've always said, you know, I think Martin Luther King famously said this.
I had a dream.
No, Chris.
If you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything, right?
And I think in today's society, people don't really stand for anything anymore because we want to be all-inclusive.
And you want to be all-inclusive.
Well, that means you have to concede to a degree.
So when you have to concede and you have to be all-inclusive, that means that everyone's mindset and everyone's thoughts on things are correct, right?
I mean, we're running around here saying there's a million genders when in reality, let's be honest here, we all know there's two.
But since we have to be all-inclusive and make everyone feel good and a part of it, right?
What ends up happening is we end up in this fucking clown world where there is no right or wrong.
Everyone is right in their belief system.
And that's what ends up happening.
That's how you end up with traditional organizations, right?
Like, you know, Christianity, the church, etc.
Now they're accepting homosexuality when it's been forbidden in their text forever.
What are we doing?
We're bending the knee for feelings, right?
And for people feeling accepted.
And what ends up happening is that everyone is right.
No one is wrong.
And you can't critique, you can't discipline, etc.
Because it's considered fucked up and messed up and we're giving people participation trophies.
In general, what's happened is society's just getting softer and softer and softer as we continue to progress as a humanity with the advent of modern technology, conveniences, etc.
People get lazier, people get more accepting, people don't understand how we got To this point in reality where humanity is the number one species is because we were intolerant of fuckery in the past because it did not allow us to continue to prosper as human beings.
If you were stupid in the past, they told you that you were stupid.
What the fuck is going on or be left behind.
But nowadays, we accept everyone regardless of how they behave versus before.
If we accepted everyone, we wouldn't progress.
But now that we're where we are now, we're at the top of the food chain and we've been here, we're getting comfortable and we're allowing fuckery in.
People forgot About God, which is why we're in the current state.
In the Bible it says men will become women and women will become men.
And that's exactly what's happening.
Revelations.
Last days, people.
There you go.
Literally.
I would say even Miami is a small little fraction of showing that.
Literally.
I think that there's also no humility anymore.
People don't feel humiliated by anything.
There's no shame in their actions.
That's what OnlyFans is.
You used to not do things because you didn't want to humiliate your family.
You try to do the most humiliating thing on the internet now to get views.
I know!
It's crazy.
And that's why those types of shows, like you were saying, women throwing drinks in people's faces are popular because Because that's the type of drama.
That's why OnlyFans is popular.
That's why porn is popular.
That's why porn is free.
These three of fours ain't loyal.
Is a girl next to Fresh the one who never climaxed through intercourse with a guy?
The smiles.
She smiles the same.
Keep it up, guys.
Love the book, Myron.
Has that changed?
Yeah, it's changed.
There you go.
The guy that you're with now that you're nagging?
Okay, there you go.
Empty egg carton with the glasses can get it, to be honest.
Wait, what is it?
Oh, this guy.
All right, Rare Parallels W with that custom gift.
Let's go to the Disco K. I don't even understand that.
I think that's because that's a 70s term.
He's trying to be funny.
I thought you guys had a limit of two ugly bitches per panel.
I guess we'll turn it to the ladies for final thoughts or questions or comments.
Where do we go here?
I think like that last topic we talked about on the last topic was very like I guess it was different from like what you guys typically talk in the show.
It was very enlightening and like I learned a lot from that.
What did you learn?
I guess why things are the way they are.
Why?
The last conversation, why women are not taught to be ladies and men are taught to be gentlemen.
That kind of opened a whole lot Like, it went very deep.
It's not to say that men are perfect, right?
My argument would be that I think more men are taught to be gentlemen versus women taught to be ladies.
No, yeah, for sure.
Because if you look at it, right, how many nice guys are out there, right, that are in the friend zone because they're a nice guy and a gentleman?
Because they're nice, yeah.
Right?
Versus you don't see many women in the I'm going to put her in the fake wife category until I'm ready to commit.
Like, no, guys don't put women in zones like that.
They might put you in the sex zone, but they're not going to put you in the zone of she's a good girl.
I'm going to put her there.
Just let her sit there.
Like, that's kind of weird.
Alright.
I just had one more question.
I don't have a lot of questions.
How old are you again?
Yeah, go ahead.
How old are you?
33.
And how old are you?
30.
30?
Okay.
I just want to see the age mindset that you guys have.
oh she's like that I was going to give her a break at 2 in the morning but she's high.
Allegedly.
You're still high?
Allegedly.
What about you?
I enjoyed the show.
It was dope.
I like to hear other people's perspectives outside of my own and how people feel about certain things.
Cool.
You still talk a lot.
Dang!
What about you?
No, I just, I had a really good time talking with you, all of you guys and all of you ladies.
Have you ever had a dream that you had?
She was doing well now.
She was.
She made sense at the end of the show.
More than just at the end of the show?
Kind of.
Oh, gosh.
Well, I am running off of three hours of sleep, so...
Alright.
What about you?
I always enjoy the show.
I feel like...
You are first.
Congratulations to you.
You are the first girl to have been broken up more with than...
Yeah.
That is literally a first.
100%.
Yeah.
What's the ratio specifically?
It's like 10 to 3.
You've been in a 13 relationship?
Not 13.
Obviously serious.
Talking.
The guy stopped it.
It's been 10 times.
And I've only broken up with someone 3.
That's a first.
It's not a cab.
It actually fucking sucks.
And, uh, Chet, uh, Granny, she did fly down to Miami today, so I will give her the...
Okay, we'll give her a break.
We'll give her a break.
Yeah, you just got out to play.
Yeah, yeah, fucks.
Past your bedtime.
All right.
No, but, uh, all right.
So, Dan, okay.
You made history on First Effect.
Thank you.
Congratulations.
Cool.
Alright, cool, guys.
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When does it close?
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