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April 25, 2025 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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Conservative Satire “Comedy” Site Mocks Christianity and Pope | Guest: Pastor Joel Webbon

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elijah schaffer
Well, it turns out that something creepy happened.
I went to Babylon B and I thought maybe they were going to make me laugh, but instead, like the kings of comedy, it turns out that things are getting very, very weird in the back end of the gatekeeping world, which I don't know if they're trying to make jokes or they're trying to be the joke.
Seth Dylan's a great guy, but check out how weird this is.
Watch my screenshot.
So a screenshot was posted by an individual.
This is actually really important here.
You're going to go to the other split there.
All right.
He's going to check this out.
So Hodg Twins posted, Jordan Peterson has gone full woke.
And of course, this is in response to the fact that Jordan Peterson has called everybody who is against children being blown up in Gaza as psychopathic rats.
And he said, this is sad to see.
Now, there's nothing weird about this.
Cat Turd said, never liked him to begin with.
And then two black guys said he used to make some good points, but now he's just controlled opposition.
Nothing weird to see here.
But then you go and you see James Lindsay is posting this.
Also, not a weird thing because James Lindsay is full of shit.
And he says, cue the music, play it again every single time.
It's the same.
And James, I do agree with you.
Black people are hard to deal with.
However, the weirdest part about this was when you see this tweet, you see the post-year reply.
You see that part right there, post-your reply?
That's Seth Dylan's picture, which means that Seth Dylan is taking screenshots.
And this is from their group chat.
They just outed themselves.
We've told you.
Me and Candice have told you this is what they're doing.
And then sent it to James Lindsay.
And James Lindsay posted it.
And then Candice even pointed out the fact the poster replied from the screenshot is Seth Dylan's account.
You guys are outing yourself so that you're all working together.
You can bring me back on the screen here for a second.
Mike Mendoza got into a car accident.
He's no longer with us.
So we currently have some Cuban guy we found on the street.
They're not good for much, but they do work cheap.
So it turns out that everybody is working together these days.
And to do what?
It's to gatekeep out the real right wing.
They don't want you and me to have a seat at the table.
Unless you want to give your money to foreign countries, unless you want to offer your soul to Molech, they don't want you a part of their team.
Reminding you here that at least two of these people, James Lindsay and Jordan Peterson, are agnostics slash atheists who hate God, and yet they're here telling us that we're not allowed to say Christ is king and that they know the real version of Christianity and the real version of the right wing.
We had a great show for you guys today.
We're going to be talking about the Babylon B. We're going to be talking about the controversy, the news, what's going on, everything that you know and love from the best worst show on the internet.
My name is Elijah Schaefer.
It is approximately 8:20 p.m. Eastern Time in the United States.
Again, I wasn't joking about Mike dying.
That's not it.
We don't joke on this show.
Mike is dead.
And so unfortunately, we had to replace him.
And thank God, there's a lot of Hispanics in South Florida, so they're easily replaceable.
It's a true statement, right?
Anyway, let's start the show.
Ari Money by the way.
It's good stuff.
All right.
He doesn't even know how to turn the music down.
We can turn the music down.
All right, that's ending.
All right.
Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show.
My name is Elijah Schaefer.
You know what we're talking about tonight.
We were talking about Jordan Peterson last time and his great fall.
It turns out that when you pop your last benzo, it's not a fun time, right?
So instead, he could have just bought another bottle.
I'm sure he's got the money for it, right?
Selling out will do that to an old man.
But then he came back in hot and said, you know what I'd like to do instead of that?
I'd like to attack Jesus Christ and Christians.
And I was like, oh, that's a good idea because that's not only been happening for thousands of years, but I'm totally used to that.
I used to work for these people.
But then we find out that they're actually all working together on this.
And it's quite a striking and very strange conundrum.
Somebody who's been attacked himself, he, of course, is a pastor, a little bit of a controversial one, because he believes that men and women are different.
Isn't that crazy?
I didn't even know pastors still spoke like that.
Today, my guest, Pastor Joel Webbin, welcome to the show.
joel webbon
Thanks for having me.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, that's what a great intro, right?
I'm very happy to have you here, man.
I mean, just to kind of give a little intro for yourself, this is a show where people intro themselves, basically say what they are.
Tell people who you are, what you do, and a little bit about why you're here.
joel webbon
All right.
I am a husband.
I'm a father of five.
I am a local pastor of a church in Georgetown, Texas, about an hour north of Austin.
And I started a ministry called Right Response Ministries.
We do a lot of cultural and political commentating, but from a uniquely Christian perspective.
But when I say a Christian perspective, I don't mean 20th century liberalism walking around in a Christian skin suit, but instead I mean historic Christianity, which most modern Christians have some aversion toward.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, they do.
Because unfortunately, also, I'm surprised with you.
This is the first Protestant pastor I met who isn't gay.
So that's pretty cool.
No, I'm totally joking.
I was talking about non-denominational people.
They're all Protestants.
joel webbon
There are dozens of us.
Yeah, dozens.
Yeah, there are a few.
elijah schaffer
There actually are a few left.
At least you guys aren't the pastors that touch the kids, though.
That's the other guys.
joel webbon
Yeah, that's unfortunate.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, it is.
joel webbon
That's unfortunate.
elijah schaffer
Well, the thing is, it's the only reason why I feel like, why are you attacking Christianity right now on your show?
It's because I'm a Babylon D subscriber, and that's what we're doing these days.
We're attacking Christianity.
And of course, on my left, we have co-host and the founder of Snowflake underscore news, Michael Hennessy.
How are you doing?
Welcome back to the show.
michael hennessey
Hey, happy to be here, man.
Had to make sure to wear my Crisis King shirt for this episode.
Excited.
joel webbon
I'd like to have that shirt.
michael hennessey
Thank you.
unidentified
I like it.
michael hennessey
Excited to have you here, Joel.
Thanks for dive into everything you've been saying.
So excited for the show.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, and I wasn't joking, by the way, to be completely honest.
Shout out to our guy filling in for Michael.
Michael did actually get into a car accident.
Unfortunately, he's not dead.
So we have one more person.
We're going to have to deport, you know, when it's more taxpayer dollars going to the deportation efforts.
michael hennessey
No, really, is actually in Thailand.
And I believe, is it, Joey, if you could press name on there, I think it pulls up the photo.
unidentified
Is there a name?
elijah schaffer
Do you have that?
michael hennessey
I think that was the key.
No?
elijah schaffer
No, it's not pulling it up.
michael hennessey
I'll show it later.
But yeah, there's photos from him in Thailand, and I'll expose that a little bit.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, you'll have to go back there.
All right, let's jump right into this.
So we're in a very weird age.
This is kind of like a strange thing, right?
People say, Why are you talking about this?
Why are you talking about what's going on with Babylon B?
Why are you talking about all this?
And the reason why I wanted to bring you on, we obviously filmed a show earlier today.
It was a one-on-one, more of your introspective perspective.
But this is a current event show, right?
Every Tuesday and Thursday at 8 p.m. Eastern time.
And this is where we talk about what's actually happening.
We're in this current development right now where Jordan Peterson kind of went out and he gave this speech.
unidentified
You know, he said, Hey, Baker, you've got to make sure that you just do what's really important and serve Israel.
elijah schaffer
And I'm like, wow, that's what happened to you.
And we're all sort of wondering that.
But then he went on to Hannity.
We talked about that the next day.
He went on to Hannity and we realized he was on a tour.
And there's this sort of push now to push this new narrative, which means if you are conservative or if you were any further right than a sellout, that you are not only a psychopath, but a parasite, which you know, we have to get rid of parasites.
They're actually, it's a toxic relationship that they're going to try to go to war with us and get rid of us.
And now, when I said it's all coordinated, you know, it's not a joke that he brought up Lindsay and they're all talking about this.
Lindsay, they all denied it.
So we're not working together.
It's not happening.
But how the hell, if you can go to my screen there, I mean, we'll just jump in here.
How the hell does Lindsay have personal screenshots from Seth Dylan's account?
I mean, this shows that it's coordinated.
You see it from the outside looking in.
You're a little more new to this space, but it's like these guys are coordinating the effort, working in unison to not only attack the right, but they're trying to attack Christianity.
They're attacking Christ and they're trying to get us and police us on what we can say about our own God.
I know you got something to say about this.
joel webbon
Yeah.
So Christ is king is a strategic phrase.
It's different than, you know, people say, why not just say, you know, if it's bothering people, why not just say Jesus is Lord?
matt walsh
And I'll tell you exactly why.
joel webbon
So Jesus is Lord is a wonderful statement, but historically, Christ is king is, it has more historical antiquity.
Jesus is Lord is more recent, more of a recent development.
And it's a great, it's a great phrase and it's biblically faithful and true.
The problem is that that phrase in many ways has been hijacked, not by non-Christians, but by sadly evangelicals and a lot of the effeminate Protestants themselves, Christians themselves have hijacked Jesus as Lord.
And what they do is they've relegated the Lordship of Jesus to being merely private.
So when they say Jesus is Lord, what they mean is Jesus is my Lord.
And they mean that Jesus is Lord of my internal, hidden, precious little heart.
The reason why Christ is king offends people is because you're not just saying Christ is my king or he's a private king or a private Lord.
You're making a universal and public statement.
And it is a political statement.
There's political, universal, public implications to the kingship of Christ.
You're saying, so when I say Christ is king, the reason why people get offended is because I'm not just saying he's my king.
I'm saying he's your king.
And then people say, but I'm not a Christian.
And then I say, well, that's, that's totally fine.
He's still your king, right?
Jesus, we've gotten this completely backwards, especially as Protestants.
So as one, I'll speak for them and admit some of our failures.
For Protestants, we'll say this.
We'll say, well, you know, Jesus might be your savior, but have you made him your Lord?
But the reality is nobody makes Jesus Lord except for God the Father Himself.
He made Jesus Lord 2,000 years ago when he bestowed upon him a name that is above all other names, not the name Jesus, but the name Kyrios, Lord.
So that at that title, Lord of Lords, every knee would bow and every tongue would confess.
So God made Jesus Lord, and he is Lord, whether you love him or hate him, bless him or curse him.
He is your Lord.
Well, I'm Islamic.
unidentified
Great.
joel webbon
Jesus is your Lord.
Christ is still king.
And here's the thing for the Muslims, and I'll admit this, and I think some people don't recognize this.
For the Muslims, there's still theologically a way of kind of nuancing and massaging and maneuvering to say, well, you know, okay, Jesus is a king, right?
Because the Quran would acknowledge him as a prophet.
They would acknowledge, give esteem and some measure of honor.
They're going to deny Jesus' deity, right?
So if you're Muslim, then my heart and prayer for you is that you would repent of Islam and that you believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ.
And apart from that, then as a Christian pastor, of course, I believe that you're going to go to hell.
That said, not all world religions other than Christianity have the same view of Christ.
All of them. other than Christianity, deny his deity, but not all of them say that he's a bastard and the son of a whore and currently burning in human excrement.
That's kind of special.
You know what I mean?
Like that's a little bit different.
Islam doesn't hold that.
So my point is this, when you say Christ is king, and you're not just saying he's my personal Lord, you're saying, no, he's king.
It's universal.
It's public.
It's political.
It goes across the board.
The Muslim actually can kind of have some category for that.
Say he is a king, right?
He's not Allah, you know, but he's a king.
And yeah, I'm fine with that.
But the Jew, and this is where it's home.
The Jew is going to say, no, Like that statement, Christ is king, is offensive to all non-Christians, but it is not equally offensive.
It is most offensive to Judaism.
And I think that's kind of the issue here.
And that's why they're saying you got to pick a different phrase because this is an unit's not an equal offender.
It is offending one group particularly.
But for us as Christians, I think the response has to be, well, but Christ is still king.
And if it offends one group more than the others, you know, I'm sorry.
I mean, I'm not sorry, but like, then maybe there's something about your religion and your ideology and your beliefs that's simply wrong.
elijah schaffer
It's Judeo-Christianity.
And that's kind of what the problem is.
You brought that up earlier, is that what we're seeing now is a war.
People say, well, the right wing is splitting.
It's splitting.
Well, it's not splitting.
It's just that you have people who are embracing Christianity and the rules of God, of divine right, of realizing that, yes, men and women are different, that we're not going to be an egalitarian society, that we cannot have egalitarian marriage, just like we can't redefine marriage.
And we can't, you know, have diversity in marriage and have gay marriage and dog marriage.
And, you know, and you said, what about lesbian marriage?
I said, dog marriage, you know, a bunch of bitches.
But yeah, there you go.
But I do say on top of that, that we're kind of in this war now where these people are Judeo-Christians and we didn't realize that we were being hoodwinked.
And you realize that the Christianity that Babylon B puts forth, Seth Dillon, Jordan Peterson, James Lindsay, even though most of them are not actually Christians, is really the kind of Christianity that led us into this gay, you know, Protestant version of, you know, having these universal churches and lesbian pastors.
We've let wrong people tell us who we are, what we are, and what defines us.
And that's why we've talked about this.
Christian nations used to kick people out.
Did you know that?
They used to kick people out that would seek to change the nation, that wanted to bring porn into the nation, that wanted to change the financial capital of the nation, that wanted to add interest and usury into the nation.
They would kick them out because we can't live with you and we don't want to be around you because you are perverting our society.
And so what we're kind of realizing is that our enemies aren't our real enemies, but it's our friends that are subverting us.
They're keeping us weak.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
Christians used to be a lot stronger, especially when faced with all this sin that we have going on now.
But the churches have been completely hijacked.
You know, as I mentioned before in previous shows, I've driven by multiple churches where you actually see transgender flags, gay pride flags hanging out out the windows.
They're promoting it.
And it's just sickening to see that the church has come to this point.
What we need to do is we need to stand up to the darkness.
We need to be the light in the darkness and make sure that we're speaking the truth and not allowing the wicked ways to come.
Because when good men do nothing, that's when evil wins.
elijah schaffer
I don't want to talk about this.
So I want to talk about Judeo-Christianity.
I want to talk about the difference.
I want to define this a little bit and what's going on here.
So one of the things that I think is weird is that I personally believe this entire attack on the right wing is essentially just targeting individuals who are against Zionism, right?
Who are against this British colonialism, this idea of reestablishing this country.
And why they're so upset about it is clear because if this hegemony, if this control group goes down, which is going down with Gen Z, the support is actually majority against Israel and against Zionism.
It's like, what, 52% now or sorry?
58%.
michael hennessey
So it's like 52 or 53% are against it.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, are against it.
So they're losing out.
This impacts their paychecks because really what you find is, is like, I always say, this is like on the business side of things, a show is just ads with talking built around it, right?
If you look at like a business, and that's why some people sell out because they don't care about what they talk about.
They don't care what they're doing.
They just place ads and they talk around it.
What these people do is you go, they create these websites and these shows and these networks around one thing, controlling the speech of the right wing.
That's what they're there for, to control what we can or cannot talk about.
And it's not just what they don't talk about.
It's also how they talk about certain things.
Do you think it makes any sense that everyone in the right wing, the free thinkers, like Turning Point says, we're looking for free thinkers.
Does anyone really seem like they're free to think in this side?
And it's so crazy.
Like all they do all day is just like defend Jews, defend Israel.
And then when you bring that up, you go, hey, we need to stop doing that.
They look tell you, they go, hey, you talk about Jews too much.
You go, I'm actually wanting to not talk about these people, actually.
I would like to not talk about, I'd like to talk about Christ and our country and our people and what we can do, but I've got to get you guys out of the way because all you guys do is protect these people.
Like Seth Dylan posted this, right?
He's like, there are Jews who wanted Jesus dead.
There were other Jews who believed he was the Messiah.
And their willingness to testify to this truth in the face of excruciating death was a spark that ignited the explosion of the church.
So he's like, even when someone's like, hey, you know, the Jews killed Jesus, it's in the scripture.
It's like, yeah, but they also started the church.
It's like, hey, man, why do you always use all your platforms to defend these people?
But then you also use your platforms to attack Christ as King and attack Christians and Catholics.
Like, why are you never attacked these people?
So I have to ask you, if you're always defending one group and you're always attacking the other, even though you say you're a Christian, you say you're on our side, you say you defend us, what do your actions show, sir?
Your actions do not show that that's what's going on.
And I'm not going to accuse him of that.
I'm just saying that his actions speak that.
You know, that's what I get from this.
joel webbon
Yeah.
Yeah.
Christians are notorious for shooting their own.
I mean, Christians are cannibals.
I mean, they eat their own.
I don't, it seems like, in my experience, you know, some of the most vicious opposition that I've ever received is usually people about, you know, an inch to my left.
You know, and so sadly, I don't know.
I think a lot of that is just propaganda and kind of like indoctrination and training that we've all we've all kind of been born into where we are kind of, you know, we're led to tolerate people who might be a mile to our left, but we will not tolerate someone who's even an inch to our right.
And on the Zionism issue, that's just, and you know these things, but, you know, dispensationalism is a fairly novel theological position.
But, you know, for us, it's, it's been alive and well and prominent since the day before we were born, you know, so about 150 years.
And so that's kind of, you know, like most Christians, evangelicals, you know, they're pretty much Zionists, but they acknowledge that, you know, you need to believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved, but they carve out.
So it's not that they're saying, well, Jews are just, you know, they're Christian or they're saved, but they carve out this extra category of like Christian adjacent.
So they acknowledge like you're not Christian, but you're still Christian adjacent and you're still God's chosen people.
And I did a whole series on this and just breaking it down covenantally and biblically and theologically.
I don't, you know, like biblically speaking, the covenant is over.
It's done.
So, like, who are God's chosen people?
Well, Christians, right?
Those who have been grafted into the root, who the root's not Israel.
The root is Christ.
Christ is the new Israel.
He's the vine.
We're the branches.
matt walsh
We are his people.
joel webbon
What I try to encourage, you know, even pastorally in my church, you know, but on our show as well, is just trying to encourage Christians, and especially Christians in America, because obviously I care about America more because I'm an American.
But I try to encourage American Christians when you're thinking about how I should think about my country, how I should think about, you know, my fellow citizens, just everything that you've been taught by the church to think about Israel.
Think that about America.
Just think that here, you know, because that's, I mean, when you talk to some of these Judeo-Christians, that's kind of the rhetoric that they'll use is they'll say, well, we don't want Israel to be overrun by foreigners and immigrants.
And, you know, these people deserve their own nation and they deserve to, you know, they deserve this and they deserve to be protected and they deserve, you know, to like, and it's just, you know, like, that's fine.
They can have a country.
I'm not against them having a country, but I've just, I would love if, if Christians and Americans could just think half, half of the hopes and dreams they have for Israel, if they could just have that for us.
That would be awesome.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
It's kind of sad to see, though, the blind allegiance that they have towards Israel.
You know, anybody who chooses Christ, those are the chosen people, people that align with Jesus Christ and go down that path.
Instead of saying, like, as you kind of touched base on, burning an extrament and all those kind of, you know, derogatory comments.
But then it's also sickening to see, I've had debates with people in churches as well, where they say, you know, I follow Jesus's word.
You know, I want to bring peace on the earth.
I want to bring love.
God's grace gifts love.
And yet they sit there and you'll see tons of people online just, you know, be excited about the murder of women, of children.
And when I say that, you actually have politicians who are coming out and saying it that they sleep fine at night.
You have other people who say that they're Catholics and then they're saying, you know, I don't care how many babies die.
If women and baby die, this is.
joel webbon
I saw that.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
So it's just sickening to see stuff like that.
And then go ahead and claim that you are a Christian or you are a Catholic and that you are following God's way.
elijah schaffer
Well, he's non-denominational Catholic.
That guy said he didn't care if all the kids in Gaza died, said he was non-denominational Catholic.
And I go, that literally doesn't make sense.
It's like, I like non-German BMWs.
It's like, what are you talking about?
Anyway, I'm just going to say, that's how lost these people are.
michael hennessey
No, they are.
They're completely lost.
And then you see it's like a bloodthirsty as soon as it comes down to as far as Israel.
And what's happening now isn't like they're just trying to protect themselves.
Yeah, October 8th came.
It was terrible.
Nobody should be murdered.
I'm against any kind of acts of violence or war or anything.
But what we're seeing now is pretty much a genocide across Palestine.
And people, they just cheer it on.
It's okay if that gets destroyed because these are God's chosen people.
This is God's chosen land you hear.
And it's just, they're not really following the word.
They're just, it's unfortunately what churches are teaching, a lot of these churches are teaching is just false, you know, false literature from the Bible.
And it's, it's just, it's crazy to see that we've gotten to this point and just the blind allegiance.
I know a lot of it plays into not only in the churches, but then also in school, the way the school was designed.
And then we learned that, you know, Israel is our greatest ally, which I don't really know what they've done for us.
I'm a little confused.
joel webbon
It doesn't feel particularly mutual.
michael hennessey
Yeah, no, not at all.
You know, we're the ones dying for their wars.
We're the ones who are sacrificing everything.
And yet all they do is they collect, they collect, they collect, you know?
So.
elijah schaffer
Well, yeah.
And I think one of the main things is, is look, so we go down to this.
I wanted to bring up something kind of weird.
So there's this new call for censorship.
And as we talk about that, I want to remind you guys, make sure no matter what you're doing, that you realize that a lot of reason why people are basically feeling demoralized today and feeling down in their luck is because, well, honestly, they have testosterone problems.
And, you know, we talk a lot about this on the show that you've got to get your T levels up, that if you don't have your T levels up, that you essentially are not going to accomplish anything great in your life.
I mean, people want to be filled with God's power.
That's great.
People want to be conquerors, talk about, you know, a revolution.
And it's like, well, what was the difference between men back then and men today?
The key thing about men back then is that they, what, had high testosterone.
And now there's been a biological warfare on our bodies that have lowered our testosterone so much so that an average level for a man used to be between 1,000 and 1,500 points.
And now they say it's fine between 400 and 800, but most men are under 400, which means that you have about two-thirds less, 75% or so less testosterone than the revolutionaries had.
That controls your libido and your libido is your sex drive.
Your sex drive is your ability to want women.
If you want women, then you probably have them in your life.
And then you want to protect them, provide for them, right?
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So it is interesting though.
So right here, Hodge twins posted something and they said this.
Let's be real.
Jordan Peterson called for policing extreme people that spread conspiracies and criticize Israel straight out of the woke playbook of censorship that we've seen the left do for years.
Why does he want people censored?
Does it have to do with him partnering with the ADL group that pushed for COVID vaccine mandates and called people extremists for saying Christ is king?
It ain't extreme to put America first and not want our tax dollars funding corrupt foreign countries in war when Americans are broke and our country is going bankrupt.
Douglas Murray said a lot of the same shit on Rogan weeks ago when he talked about how only experts should talk about issues.
That's when we started saying there's a side up going on to divide the Trump base.
You've got woke nonsense, Israel cucks trying to enable more war and divide the base.
Then you go, got American first patriots trying to hold it together who want peace and our money staying here.
That's how we see it.
Christ is king.
Bitch.
So, and it's obviously the bitch's lowercase.
Well, everything else is capitalized.
joel webbon
Yeah, he could have done without the last word.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, well, if you ever know the Hodge twins, you get a package deal.
So, when you get Crisis King, you're going to get an extra something added to it.
joel webbon
That's what it seems like.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, the Hodge twins are like polemists a little bit.
They love to stir controversy.
So, let me ask you that.
I mean, obviously, I think the Hodge twins are right.
What we're seeing here is that you basically have a version of the right that's finding young Christian guys are mostly Catholic, actually, but mostly young Christian guys who are concerned about their country and they don't like the version of Christianity that just says sit around, let people stab your kids in the heart at football games and apologize to their families and cry and make excuses for your son's murderer.
People are saying, you know, we're being abused.
joel webbon
We're being attacked.
elijah schaffer
What are these Christians that used to go to war back in the day?
Where are these people that used to fight for their Christian nations and fight for their empires?
Where are these great fighters?
Why are we all so weak?
We don't want to be weak anymore.
We don't want to be taken advantage of.
We want to keep our money here.
There's sort of like this underlying idea that maybe the world doesn't have to suck this way.
And definitely, definitely, definitely, it is not a white supremacist movement because the Hodge twins are not white.
People, I would say it's become, they call this white supremacists.
That didn't work because it's the most diverse white supremacy movement in history.
Then they started calling us the alt-right.
And that didn't work because what?
That's just like we're alternative to the right?
Like, that doesn't, okay, sure.
Yeah, we're all, we're, we're right-wing.
We're not alt.
We are just the right wing.
And then they call us the new right.
Then they started calling us, you know, the woke right.
unidentified
The woke right.
elijah schaffer
Right?
The woke right.
And then it was, now it's parasites and psychopaths.
So I'm keeping track here, everybody.
unidentified
I don't feel like this is a very good thing.
joel webbon
I can say something about the woke right.
elijah schaffer
Go ahead.
Tell me.
Tell me.
I know you like Lindsay a lot.
Now you've subscribed to OnlyFans.
joel webbon
No.
So the problem with the woke right, I understand what he's trying to do there.
And it's, I mean, it's pretty deceptive and subversive.
But I but I understand for, you know, from, you know, the mindset, the framework of an atheist who ultimately hates Christ, then, you know, then I understand why he would think, you know, there's woke left and there's woke right.
What he's saying is that, you know, both are just focused on race, you know, focused on identity politics, group dynamics, you know, that landing ultimately in some kind of ethnic categories.
And, you know, the woke left did it from one angle, from, you know, minority ethnicities, you know, pointed towards the hegemony, you know, of white Americans.
And now, you know, the woke right is just doing it in the opposite direction.
And the reason why ultimately that falls flat.
Now, when I say it falls flat, I mean it's categorically false.
And I'll explain that.
But in terms of, you know, perception, right, that objectively, it's, it's false.
But subjectively, I have to admit, I think that it has worked with some people.
I think some people have actually, you know, drank the Kool-Aid and been persuaded by that rhetorical strategy of woke right, because most people are normies.
I mean, most people, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, you're right.
That kind of is the same thing.
But it's not.
And the reason it's not is because, well, two reasons.
One, because the difference between true and false.
When BLM and the Summer of Love and mostly peaceful riots and George Floyd, St. George Floyd, and all these things were happening, and guys like LeBron James were saying, I can't even go outside of my home without the threat of being hunted down and shot in the streets by police officers.
And they literally, they went and polled people.
How many unarmed black men do you think annually get shot by police officers?
And literally, like the average person was guessing in the thousands.
They're like a thousand, ten thousand, like a million, a trillion, you know, like yeah, six million, you know, like, um, and and then they, you know, show the data and it's like 18.
unidentified
Yeah.
joel webbon
Like 18 million?
unidentified
No, 18, period.
joel webbon
18.
Right.
So my point is woke left of, you know, white people are oppressors and this is terrible.
And look at how they're treating us.
And there's all this system of racism, you know, that disparages and disadvantages and disenfranchises, you know, minority ethnic groups.
The reason why woke left, which is the only woke there is, but woke left was wrong, is because it lied, right?
On the books with Harvard and different Ivy League schools, every minority ethnicity, except perhaps Asian, has an advantage, not a disadvantage, but an advantage.
Even, you know, what was it, Wes?
How many, it was like the top 500 companies that said, we're only going to Fortune 100.
So the Fortune 100, so like top 100 countries in the U.S. said we're going to companies and corporations, they said, we're going to explicitly, you know, focus on LGBT and ethnic minorities in our hiring process.
And then the data actually came back in and they did it.
And you can see that this was plastered all over X.
They, 94%, 94% of the new hires over the course of an entire year, it was either 2022 or 2023, were ethnic minorities and gays, which means if you're a heterosexual white man, you had a 6% chance in the course of an entire year of being hired by one of the top 100 companies that employ thousands and thousands and thousands of people.
So whether it's getting into a school or whether it's the system and the grade curve for SAT scores or whether it's getting a job and gaining employment and being able to provide for your family in all these ways, the only class of people that were actually disadvantaged on the books in an objective sense, Jeremy Carl did a great job.
He wrote a book called The Unprotected Class, and he brought the receipts and showed how it's white men that have been disenfranchised.
It's white men who, not just a vibe, but on the books, actual regulations and discriminations against white men.
So woke left, which is again, the only woke there is, woke left.
The reason why that's wrong is because they literally lied, right?
If they were talking about the 1800s, okay, maybe, right?
But they were saying today in the year of our Lord, 2020 and 2021 and 2022, they're hunting black men down in the streets and they're passing us over for employment and this and that.
And it just was a lie.
So that's the first reason why woke right, woke left is a joke, because woke left lied and alleged woke right is talking about disenfranchising and disadvantages towards white men.
And there's actually receipts.
It's actually true.
You see what I'm saying?
So woke right is saying, no, white people actually are being disadvantaged and it's true.
And woke left is saying all these other people are being disadvantaged and it's false.
It's false.
So that's the first category.
Here's the second one.
This one bothers people.
And I'm going to say it charitably.
I'll say it as a Christian pastor.
The second reason why this framework of woke left and woke right is not helpful is because every class, this is my position.
I think every class of citizen in America should be protected.
But if there was to be any particular preference given towards a particular identity group, it should be heritage Americans.
elijah schaffer
What do you mean by that, though?
Because I've heard a lot of people use that phrase.
joel webbon
I know.
elijah schaffer
And I guess it's debated whether it's helpful or non-helpful.
joel webbon
It's a bit of a dog whistle.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
joel webbon
And so when somebody says Heritage America, you kind of do have to ask that individual person, what do you mean?
Because guys will mean different things.
So I think in a macro level, when I think of like, when I think, you know, every time I go to Costco, it's like trillions have to go back, you know, but like, but when I think of like, you know, who needs to go back and who needs to stay and who's a heritage American and that and in a macro sense, I'm talking about, I'm talking about Anglo-Protestants.
I think that's the dominant culture, at least in our founding and our heritage.
And I think it should remain the dominant culture of the United States of America as an Anglo-Protestant nation.
It's distinctly Protestant, distinctly, and distinctly not just white, but Anglo.
That is our culture.
And I think that people can assimilate into that culture, but it takes time.
You can't do that in 15 minutes and you can't do it with millions of people all at once.
So when I think, you know, our bedrock, our foundation of America and who is Heritage America, that would include heritage white Americans, Anglo-Protestants who, you know, who can track back their ancestry here for a very long time, you know, at least a couple centuries, at least back to the Civil War.
And then I would also say that that would include, like, I'm in Texas.
There are certain, you know, there are wide swaths of Hispanics that have been in Texas for a very long time who came to our aid in certain battles, you know, to defend the Alamo and things like that.
So it would include that.
It would also include legacy blacks.
It would include heritage blacks who have been here for a very long, not Haitians, you know, and destroying some small town in Iowa, you know, but like, but it would include various groups.
I'd say there's easily, you know, 40 million people that just in the last administration that just showed up that absolutely do not belong.
elijah schaffer
Is that crazy, by the way?
joel webbon
That's crazy.
elijah schaffer
Like when you think about that number.
joel webbon
40 million.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, 40 million people have showed up, by the way.
joel webbon
They say 40 million.
They say like, I think it was like 20 million.
It was like 9 million, I think, legally, and then like 20, you know, if you count illegal, but the ones that they like tagged, that they numbered, you know, that even registered as illegal.
elijah schaffer
The Godaways, too.
They don't even have to.
joel webbon
But the Godaways they don't have.
So that's where I'm adding another 20.
So just for the listener, if they're fact checking that, that's where I'm getting to 40.
I think that that's a fair number.
But anyways, to answer your question, like my, my point is this, all right?
So woke, woke left versus woke right.
It's not, they're just saying, oh, it's the same thing.
It's just two separate sides of the aisle, but it's still a Marxist dialect, dialectic, you know, blah, No, the woke left, aka the woke, they lied.
Black people are being hunted in the streets.
We're disadvantaged.
No, white people can't get into schools.
White people have higher standards.
White people aren't being hired by corporations.
White people, I mean, Daniel Penny, you know, or Derek Chauvin or like that.
So one, it's just a lie.
But two, if a country did have preference, and I'm not even saying that we should, okay?
matt walsh
Hear me.
joel webbon
I'm not even saying we should.
But what I am saying is not only is it wrong to treat one class of people unfairly, which is white males, white heterosexual males, but it is, and I think this is right.
And biblical, I have biblical precedents for this, but it is especially immoral if that particular class of people happens to be the direct descendants of the people who founded the country.
matt walsh
That's what I mean.
joel webbon
So, what I'm saying is if we went to Japan, okay, and let's say in Japan would never do this, and they're not retarded, but if they did, and let's say over the next 50 years, Japan was flooded with the blessings of multiculturalism and diversity.
They might be, by the way, yeah, and yeah, maybe.
But let's say it's 50 years down the line, and it's like, you know, Japan is only like 60%, you know, heritage Japanese, you know, and then it's like 20% white people and it's 10% Hispanic and 10%, you know, whatever blacks or, you know, Asian, you know, some other Asian Chinese or something.
You know, but it's all of a sudden, it's a multicultural nation.
If all of a sudden they said, you know what?
matt walsh
We are going to give preference to those of Japanese descent.
joel webbon
There's going to like like what you can attain citizen.
We're not going to take away your citizenship, but only heritage Japanese are going to retain a voting citizenship.
You know, or heritage Japanese are going to be given certain tax write-offs and benefits that other people, that's not actually inherently immoral.
You can say it's racist.
matt walsh
You can say it's unfair.
joel webbon
You can get it, but there's nothing biblically that would say this is a sin.
This is wrong.
matt walsh
No, that would be Japan coming to its senses after betraying its own people, its own native citizenry, and then saying this was wrong.
And we want to be humane with everybody else, right?
We don't necessarily want a final solution kind of situation.
We're going to be humane.
elijah schaffer
Speak for yourself.
joel webbon
We're going to be humane and we're going to try to do this morally, but we are going to give an objective advantage and special protection.
So everyone equal under the law, we're not going to be exploiting people, but we're actually going to give extra tax benefits or extra or voting rights or whatever it is to heritage Japanese citizens.
That's not immoral.
So again, woke right versus woke left.
matt walsh
Okay, one of them is made up.
It's not a thing, woke right.
But the main problem with this framing that makes it so deceptive, it's so deceptive is when the woke right says, but young heterosexual white men, especially white Christian men, are actually, we have the receipts.
Like we couldn't get these jobs.
joel webbon
And they told us why.
matt walsh
They literally told us, I will not hire you because I'm sorry, but you're a white male.
And I couldn't get into the school.
And my black friend, who I love, I'm not a racist.
My black friend who I love, we grew up together.
joel webbon
We went to high school together.
matt walsh
His score was 200 points lower than me.
And he got into the same school and I didn't.
And he's even saying, yeah, this isn't right.
joel webbon
So it's in the books.
matt walsh
We have the receipts.
Woke left was a lie when they said we're being hunted down the streets.
No, you're being treated like kings.
You're being like, like you would have every, if I was a, if I was a Christian conservative black guy, let's just be honest.
I'd have my, my show would be huge.
I'd be killing it.
elijah schaffer
Other things would be huge too.
joel webbon
Okay, whatever.
unidentified
Save it for your commercials.
matt walsh
Yeah, save it for the next one.
joel webbon
Yeah, there you go.
matt walsh
Yeah, save that for the advertiser.
But the point is, the point is, it's wrong because it's a lie, but then secondly, it's also wrong.
And people get bothered by this, but I'm not trying to be a shock jaw edgelord.
This is a reasonable argument.
It is especially wrong, not only because it was a lie that black people were being disenfranchised in 2021, but it's also wrong because white people, not all white people, not somebody who just came here yesterday from Germany, but I'm saying white people can track back their lineage for 200, 300, even 400 years.
Their parents built the country.
And when you ask, who did they build it for?
They literally told us in the founding documents for us.
and our posterity.
They didn't do it for India.
They didn't do it for Pakistanis.
That doesn't mean that we hate these people, but they did it for their own descendants, for their children's children's children.
And any nation with their elites and leadership politically or in media or entertainment or Hollywood or whoever it is that steals the inheritance of people who bled out and died for their great, great, great grandchildren and takes it from those descendants and gives it to someone else.
And in the same breath, has that group say, we're the ones who are oppressed and these guys are there.
That is, that's BS.
joel webbon
That's terrible.
That's wicked.
matt walsh
So when you say woke right, they're also talking about race and they're also playing identity politics.
joel webbon
And yeah, but we're right.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
We're correct.
matt walsh
What we're talking about is true.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
So what I was going to say.
matt walsh
So get out of here with that lousy argument.
elijah schaffer
Well, I know, and true.
And he made a good point where he said that our, you know, ancestors didn't make America for Indians.
And we know that's true because the country that was made for Indians is called Canada.
You know what I mean?
So people need to realize that.
Also, I lied about Mike being dead.
He was, there was actually.
michael hennessey
He was actually in Thailand.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael hennessey
No.
Can we pull up the photo, Mike?
Is you in Thailand?
elijah schaffer
Do we have a Thailand photo?
michael hennessey
I'm putting a Thailand photo up.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
michael hennessey
You bet you did.
elijah schaffer
But Mike's back in here.
I told him to go to Carkson, you died, but I was apparently over-exaggerating a little bit.
You almost died, but you're still alive, correct?
michael mendoza
Yes, Laman, wait.
Sorry, my slave is getting me my ice water right now.
michael hennessey
I need to get a lab.
michael mendoza
I appreciate that.
Yeah.
I barely escaped the flaming wreckage by the skin of my own teeth, but I made it.
Actually, you know, I kind of feel bad for the kid.
He actually knew who you were, though, which was kind of funny.
He didn't know me because of the show, but he was like, he was in, I was like, oh, so, you know, what do you do?
He's like, oh, I go to good college around here.
I was like, okay, okay, cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael mendoza
Like, for what?
He was like, oh, a political science.
I was like, oh, so you're autistic.
And then, and I asked him if he was a Trump supporter.
He knew Elijah.
So it was kind of cool.
But other than that, I'm here.
Sorry for the technical difficulties.
unidentified
Yeah, it's really, we really agree about it.
elijah schaffer
There's nothing we could do.
I mean, there's a lot of people watching the show right now, which is shout out to all of you guys.
I do want to say something.
It was funny.
I went to dinner and we were messing with the waitress and she was like, we made a joke.
He's like, do you recognize him?
He was asking me if people recognize me.
And she was like, you know, typical bokeh, Bratone girl, right?
Obviously very intelligent.
You know what I mean?
No plastic surgery.
You know what I mean?
And she's like, no, should I?
And she asked me, what do I do?
And then I actually said, I'm a line cook.
Yeah, I actually was trying to say bokeh, like I'm in bokeh, but she heard baker.
She's like, you're a baker?
And I was like, yeah, I'm a baker.
michael mendoza
Very famous.
elijah schaffer
And then he was like, yeah, he's Jewish too.
And I was like, yeah, because obviously Jewish bakers.
And she's like, I like what I'm hearing.
And then this whole time she would come back, ask questions, bought that I was a baker, then started asking me.
joel webbon
We were asking like what you baked.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, what I baked and where she could get my bread.
And it felt bad.
Like, but after like the fifth interaction with her being like, hey, yeah, I'm actually not a baker.
I don't make bread.
And we brought up the fact, why can't we not bake enough bread?
Because we don't have enough ovens.
You know what I mean?
There's only so much bread you can bake in your ovens and we don't have enough bread to bake what we need to.
joel webbon
The math just doesn't check.
elijah schaffer
The math just doesn't add up.
All right, that being said, I want to tell you guys about something kind of amazing you might want to know.
Many of you know that, Mike, I actually want to leave this with you for a second.
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You've been sleeping with my pillow pillows.
joel webbon
Yes.
elijah schaffer
What is, I mean, and I have them too, but I always talk about it.
What has the experience been like?
Because right now the pillows are under 15 bucks.
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This stuff would normally be like $150 in the box.
You can get it now under like, what, $15 plus $25?
That's a very small number, okay?
And you can get free shipping on this order too.
So tell us about the pillows and the sheets because these are on sale right now.
michael hennessey
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And normally I don't do kind of these infomercial things, but I've been enjoying the pillows.
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The pillows are very plush.
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And I just, I just love the fact that how good the quality the products have.
And then also going ahead and helping Mike Lindell because everything he's been doing for us, being a free speaker.
I am still waiting for my slippers, which I've been promised over and over.
I'm sure they'll come eventually.
But yeah, all the products have been amazing.
elijah schaffer
Can you wear the sheets?
unidentified
Someone asked you, can you cut eye hold and wear the sheets?
elijah schaffer
They didn't ask, like, can we wear the sheets?
michael hennessey
Sometimes I pop it over at night.
You know, I walk around.
elijah schaffer
He got accused of a hate crime one time with those sheets, but the only hate crime that's here is that we're hating being tired because we're getting such a damn good night's sleep.
That was a real speech from you.
michael hennessey
It was.
I was just blaming it on sleepwalking, but somehow I got the hood over and everything.
But yeah, no, I've been enjoying it a lot.
I love the products.
I'm actually interested to try to their energy drink.
elijah schaffer
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michael hennessey
The Rev Seven.
elijah schaffer
So to tell you guys, so you can get the new energy drink.
It's a new tropic energy drink because Mike Lindell, his testimony, he used to be like, I think I got a crack addict.
Is that what it is or whatever?
I think, right?
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
elijah schaffer
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And you know, people that like, you know, are weird with stimulants obviously don't want caffeine to make them jittery.
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unidentified
All right.
elijah schaffer
We're talking a lot about what's going on.
We're kind of just being open, open-ended here.
I did want to go, you know, obviously you've been waiting patiently to comment on this, but I want to bring up their post because this is called The Babylon Bee Mox Christianity.
And, oh, nice.
An important message from CEO Seth Dylan.
Check this out.
unidentified
Listen to this.
michael hennessey
Here we go.
elijah schaffer
Listen to this.
Hello, everybody.
I mean, Chet Dylan, and I wanted to let you know about Christianity and what's important today.
Elon Musk has been sharing our articles, so it still allows people to visit our site.
Even worse, shocked, but they're still coming in.
Your boomer slop, goy-loving mom, she still reads our jokes on Facebook and thinks they're funny.
It's kind of sad, but here we are.
Anyways, I like Elijah, get a puffy face as well.
So I don't know how you know me by the money.
Just my first name.
Do you know my last name?
Yeah, exactly.
michael hennessey
That's wild.
He actually knew you too.
Yeah, that was kind of edited.
elijah schaffer
I'm not funny.
Okay, here's what it said.
Imagine George Washington looking there and being like, yeah, I really support the Babylon Bee.
You know, it's like, Catholic Church to consider electing Pope who's a Catholic this time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Where's the crickets?
Vatican City, following the death of Pope Francis, Cardinals within the Roman Catholic Church have expressed interest in electing Pope who's actually Catholic.
You know, one of the things I'll point out about this is I want to bring this up with you is like, like, I don't care.
We take swings at everybody here, right?
I mean, we make a lot of jokes.
We like to make people uncomfortable.
That's sort of, it's called autism too, as well.
It's called autism.
It's what we got to live in every day.
But you do notice this thing that, you know, these websites are not just okay with being critical of Christianity, they're also very okay with being critical of white people.
So like I mentioned, like, you know, you could say like the 10 things I hate about the Italians, and they'll make like a joke, like they're so loud in the room and like they're pizza and they make like these dumb jokes.
You can say, oh, I hate the British, right?
The British, I just hate them.
But imagine you saying 10 problems with Jews.
I don't think they would ever make an article like that about Jewish people.
I don't think they would ever make an article like.
matt walsh
Not the Babylon B.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I don't think they'd make an article at anything.
And it makes you wonder, whoever they're not allowed to joke about, why is it like, why?
I don't know.
I mean, besides the fact that Daily Wire is like their biggest, I think, advertiser or something like that.
matt walsh
Well, to be fair, like it, it may not just be who they're not allowed to joke about.
I mean, you know, to give them the benefit of the doubt, it could be who they simply are not willing to joke about.
Like, I don't, sometimes people don't have to be bought.
Sometimes people just actually believe something that's wrong.
They just, you know, it's like, hey, that guy I think might have been bribed.
And then sometimes it's like, oh, that guy actually just, he's dumb.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
matt walsh
I feel like no one even had to pay him.
He's doing it for free.
Like he really, he just really is a dispensationalist or he really is just a Zionist or he, you know, he just, you know, there's a, there's a few of them that sip the Kool-Aid.
michael hennessey
I believe a lot of people that are in the political realm, though, we've kind of got more of a grasp of it, especially once, you know, joining here and everything, seeing what really goes on in the background.
I think it's, it's very eye-opening to everything we talk about.
But the crazy part too, with them to talk about Catholics or Christians, you know, the same thing happens in the movie industries.
For some reason, you can mock Jesus in the movie industries, but you're not allowed to talk about anything else.
Now, I don't know who's running those movie industries.
matt walsh
Well, that one we know.
That one's pretty cool.
elijah schaffer
Babylon B CEOs, right?
The Mendoza report just exposed that cousins of the Babylon B CEO are running a lot of things.
Is that true?
michael mendoza
Yeah, that's true.
Unfortunately, it will be delayed for a while because, first of all, I've translated all her French and I just got into a car accident, so it's going to take me a little bit of time to work on that.
elijah schaffer
You told me actually that you were going to write it up and then Pam Bondi was going to release it.
So right?
Because she, yeah, Pam Bonnie was going to release the report.
So we'll get one word at a time every seven years explaining who really runs the world.
michael hennessey
But don't worry, it's on her desk.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Okay.
That is also a point.
You know, like I am a little bit alarmed.
Like kind of one of the weird things, Trump, we were talking about this.
Let's be honest here.
I want to talk about this because you're a Trump supporter, right?
matt walsh
Well, you were, right?
Yes.
I voted for Trump proudly.
Don't regret my decision.
I think the 19th Amendment should be repealed.
And I brought my wife with me.
She also voted for Trump.
So just for the record, there's a difference in having convictions and being an ideologue.
So I'm not an ideologue.
What I mean by that is there's a sliding scale of those things which are truly compromising and moral, objectively.
But then there is a realm of being shrewd as vipers and innocent as doves.
Like you can be strategic.
You can be strategic.
Pragmatism is not inherently evil.
I'm not a pragmatist when it comes to the Lord's Day and worship and the church, but Monday through Saturday, or especially in the realm of politics, when it comes to strategy, it's okay to be pragmatic.
It's okay to be strategic, right?
So when I say I think the 19th Amendment should be repealed, well, that goes back to Heritage America.
I kind of, you know, I actually think we did some things that were right.
And I believe in represent representational government, but I think that the basic building block of society is not the atomistic individual, but rather, you know, the household, the family.
And so the family is getting a vote, right?
The husband, the father, the head of household would be voting for the benefit of his entire family, for his children, for his sons, for his daughters, for his wife.
That's, you know, right now, like, just as an American citizen, a citizen, you know, like a resident of Texas, I have people who represent me.
I don't get to just go to Washington and have a personal meeting with, you know, with Donald Trump and say, so this is what I would like for me.
Like, no, we all have people representing us.
And that's all that's all I mean when I say the 19th Amendment should be repealed.
Is I'm saying representative government.
And I believe that heads of households, this is the way God created the world.
It's not an egalitarian world.
He built in hierarchy, right?
In the eternal sense, there's equal dignity and value and innate worth in the side of God.
My wife is a co-heir in grace, like Ephesians speaks of.
But I am the head of our home.
And that's what the Bible says.
And I don't care what the culture says.
I don't care if it's 2025 and I need to get with the times.
I don't want to get with the times.
I want to get with the timeless word of God.
I trust God's word.
Since women have been voting, nothing causes more suffering for women than women's suffrage.
So, anyways, all that being said, yes, I supported Trump.
Me and my wife went out and voted for Trump.
And I don't regret a thing.
That said, I'd like to not be the guy who, you know, can't even see because he's got so many of the I fell for it again badges stuck to his face and his whole body is covering, you know, like the guy with the MAGA hat, you know, and the drool, you know, the meme and like fell for it again, badge, fell for it.
And I'll be honest, like, right now, we just, we need to, we need to be, we need to be truthful.
It's possible that Trump crosses the Rubicon and maybe he's getting some pieces into play, you know, to eventually defy the Supreme Court and the judges and just get things done.
I love that he, you know, he tweeted a Napoleon quote, you know, that like the guy who is working towards saving his country, you know, breaks no law.
Like, I mean, I'm here for that kind of tweeting.
You know, that's, that's the kind of posting I like to see from, you know, from Trump.
But as it stands, we just have to be honest.
Like, he is not on track for deporting 20 to 30 million illegals.
He's on track for maybe 2 million, maybe 3 million.
And in addition to that, not just when it comes to immigration, but he's also on track for anti-Semitism laws that get guys like us thrown in prison because we simply disagree with Israel on some things.
Like right now, it's not great.
I mean, Doge, like in terms of actual receipts and even the receipts from what I hear are questionable.
So it's like, what, 60 million from 2 trillion down to 60 million?
elijah schaffer
Yeah, and Musk is leaving right now too, to go focus on Tesla.
matt walsh
Which he probably needs to do.
Like, I'm fine with that.
That's fine.
But the point is this: revealing USAID, that was good.
So there's been some good things, but let's just be honest.
In terms of deportations and in terms of draining the swamp, you know, and Doge, you know, getting back $2 trillion tax dollars and all these kinds of, and even with the tariffs, like I, I support the tariffs because at the end of the day, GDP must go up.
Like, I have certain investments and the stock market has sucked for me, just like everybody else.
But I'm much more committed to my son being able to have a job and provide for a family than I am with my, you know, with the SP 500 in the next six months.
Like, like, who cares if my son can have a future, you know?
But even on the tariffs, Trump's backed off.
I mean, it's like they're pretty light at this point, you know, like free global trade.
elijah schaffer
Everyone's doing something.
matt walsh
So, so my point, all that was done.
Here's my deal.
I voted for him, beats the heck out of Kamala.
I'm grateful in that regard.
I bet if Trump was sitting here, we'd probably have a great time.
He seems like a good guy, but Trump is not going to save us.
Trump is not like Trump is not the savior.
He is reprieve.
He's a four-year temporary reprieve.
But the Calvary's not coming.
Like, young white Christian man who might be listening right now, hear me and hear me well.
Mark me, as a pirate would say, mark my words.
You need to save yourself.
Nobody's coming for you.
The world hates you.
Trump is not going to save you.
He's not.
He's beholden to too many donors.
And we know what country those donors come from.
elijah schaffer
We're calling them donors these days.
michael hennessey
Ethiopian donors.
matt walsh
It's not Ethiopian donors.
elijah schaffer
Actually, from Laos.
michael hennessey
Oh, is that what it is?
Laos donors.
matt walsh
And so my point is, you should be thinking, like, typically you would encourage young men to think 20-year plan, you know, like your long-term.
And you would say, you know, like slow obedience in one direction, you know, and plot and just faithfulness.
Yeah, those things matter in terms of virtue and character.
Absolutely.
A lifetime of discipline.
But economically and strategically, you have to work fast.
You have four years, four years to start that business, four years to get into the housing market, four years to put away some money and a nest egg.
You have four years and you better do something.
Give it everything you got because I don't think that everything's just going to be magically better.
Like Trump's victory is the start of the fight, not the end of it.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
Yeah, I think everybody has to, we all have to stand up and we all have to take accountability and make sure that, because as you said, Trump is not going to come and save us.
What we do is we see him win on TV.
All of a sudden, we think that everything's going to be great.
We hear these little soundbites from different politicians as well, but nothing really gets done.
But we hear them, we get excited.
We're like, oh, something's else, you know, something is happening.
And then we put our attention to other things where we're not focused on actually fixing our future, standing up, doing what's right.
I voted for Trump as well.
He freed me from jail, which was nice.
elijah schaffer
Did you know that?
matt walsh
No, I didn't know that.
elijah schaffer
He was about to go to jail for J6.
matt walsh
You were a J6.
michael hennessey
Yeah, I was looking at five years in jail.
So, yeah.
And I'm very grateful.
matt walsh
Praise God.
michael hennessey
Absolutely.
matt walsh
Praise God for that.
God is like, I mean, even the 13, you know, the 13, was it 13 women and some men, like many elderly that were praying outside of abortion clinics?
michael hennessey
Yeah, we had one here for stopped by before.
matt walsh
Yeah, so don't hear me.
I don't want to just, you know, again, just try to, you know, get a rise and be extreme.
Like, I'm grateful for a Trump victory if that's all it did.
If that's all it did, and all it does is buy us just four years of a little bit of reprieve.
So like that, that is a win.
That's not the win, though.
That's what I want people to understand.
Trump is not going.
The Calvary ain't coming.
He's not going to save the day.
Palantir is going to develop their facial recognition.
I'm going to jail for anti-Semitism, you know, in probably about four years.
joel webbon
So I better be bulletproof before then.
elijah schaffer
But that's true.
Well, Mike, Mike, go ahead.
Yeah.
I left Australia for the same reason.
michael mendoza
Yeah, no.
So I was going to say, you know, Pastor, I have to respectfully disagree because I read a book recently and I was told differently.
I was told that President Donald J. Trump was the son of man of Christ.
Obviously, I'm kidding, but I mean, This just goes to show how diluted, how much brain rot some people have got from politics that they've resorted to equivocating Trump to Christ now.
elijah schaffer
Dude, the med of the report is just Grok inspired fiction about Trump being the Christ.
No, but actually, it is false.
You're right, because he's not technically the Christ.
He's technically the second coming.
matt walsh
He should be wearing a fell for it again.
michael hennessey
Yeah, he should have Trump as king on his shirt.
elijah schaffer
Honestly, honestly, those things are.
I agree with you on this.
I wanted to say about with Trump.
Here's my honest opinion because you really will shoot yourself in the foot.
You know, I used to work with Glenn Beck, and of course, you know, I honestly don't have anything but good things to say about him as a person, right?
Very, very, very kind guy.
Offered to pay for my mom's medical bills when she was dying.
Really appreciate him.
But obviously, Glenn has had some tough, you know, PR things.
When Trump was first running, we were all populists.
You know, he did the whole Cheeto dust thing, put his face in Cheeto Puffs.
And I don't know if you remember that.
And do we actually have a picture of that?
Can you look it up?
unidentified
Sure.
elijah schaffer
Glenn Beck Cheeto Puffs.
matt walsh
I saw the AI one where it was Vance and he was like putting the Cheeto dust makeup.
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
But Beck did that.
So it was to make fun of Trump.
And, you know, Blaze really, before it came to Blaze Media, they took a real big hit.
matt walsh
Oh, you're saying Glenn Beck was anti-Trump?
elijah schaffer
He was anti-Trump, right?
Kind of like the DeSantoids today.
He was anti-Trump.
And, you know, it was, it really hurt the company.
You know, when I signed on there, they weren't doing well.
They had to turn off the comments on their website because it was just people giving them, you know, shit.
And it was obviously a really tough time.
And it really made a big blow.
But what I think is interesting is we all knew it was like, okay, Trump wants to build a wall.
We finally have a populist leader.
Now, what I'm finding is that the biggest Trump supporters, we're not also not DeSantoids.
There's people like, I think DeSantis is the right pick.
Like, no, no one, I never thought that.
I never thought DeSantis, DeSantis, I don't think anyone, the only person that could be a bigger seller to Israel would probably be DeSantis or Christy November.
But on top of that, the people like us who have risked our safety, he's going to go to jail.
We're looking at Trump, and I don't regret voting for him because realistically, I see this is what you see that people put the cheat like this.
This is what actually almost destroyed the entire Blaze network during Trump's.
michael mendoza
It's not even done that well either.
I thought it'd be like ground into a fine dust, but it's like all chunky.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, so that almost destroyed them.
All I was going to say is coming back from that.
I don't want Trump to fail.
I think it's dumb.
It's like wishing you had a black pilot.
This is totally a joke.
But anyway, it's like, you know, I'm wanting him to succeed.
unidentified
But again, I'm very selfish.
elijah schaffer
I honestly just voted for him and I'm glad mainly because I knew I had employees and friends and people that were going to go to jail and I needed them out of jail.
But I and I thought maybe he might, he still might be able to end the Russian war.
It might actually end.
But in terms of the fact of being cooked because he sold out, I've never disagreed with his biggest critics on that on the right.
And now that my friends are freed, I'm a little bit like, oh, I don't have any really hope for the future with that presidency.
I don't know if you feel that way too.
And he's free, just we're grateful to him for that.
michael hennessey
I'm very grateful that I was freed.
Absolutely.
You know, looking at five years and him helping all the other J6ers because we were, you know, political prisoners just being attacked and the government was using the FBI and everybody else as a weapon.
But the one thing we do is we glorify people too much to the point where we allow them to just do whatever they want.
You know, so for instance, the one thing with Trump is I am happy I'm free.
You know, I am happy that the border doesn't have as many people coming in.
But with that said, we still need to remove a lot more of these illegals because that's what we voted for and everything else going on with Israel.
And, you know, maybe, you know, since we might be going to war with Iran.
So what we got to make sure we do is we hold these politicians accountable for each new thing that they do.
You know, we can't just say like, oh, this is our savior.
They could do whatever they want and we're just going to praise them.
No, we got to say, hey, listen, you said you're going to do this.
This is what I voted for.
You know, this, what you're doing over here, this policy or wherever, you know, you're leading the country, we don't agree with this.
But what we have is everybody, you know, pretty much at this point, he always made that joke.
I can go in the middle of Times Square and shoot somebody.
And that's what we're finding, you know, is that a lot of people, they just go blindly.
And I'm not trying to badmouth Trump at all, like, you know, too much, but in a sense, he is a politician.
He's someone who's supposed to be working for us.
And we have to make sure that what he's doing is what we voted for, you know, and not just praising him each and every day for no matter what he does.
We see it a lot of times with other people too.
Elon Musk, we praised him as the freedom of speech.
He saved X, you know, he made it so we can speak freely.
But then he went ahead and he just started silencing people.
He started, you know, doing silly stuff like taking off the check marks.
And then I even seen the New York Post, you know, which is New York Post, but it showed a bunch of different content creators where once they go ahead and questioned Elon Musk, you can see that their viewer, their views dropped.
And same thing happened to me on my X account.
matt walsh
Yeah, so I had a couple of friends who ratioed him on the H-1B stuff and immediately lost their blue checks and immediately lost some followers and then just plateaued.
michael hennessey
Yep.
So here we are.
We're trying to make it so we don't have as big of influx coming into this country.
And then you have him, as you say, talking about the H-1Bs and then everybody's, oh, well, if Elon says it, it's great.
It's fine.
And then you have, you know, like we were talking before about the echo chamber.
You just have all these other influencers who are being paid or influenced in some way.
So they don't want to lose their money and they're just backing them up.
matt walsh
The encouraging thing, though, is with H-1B, I mean, like, you know, what better time of year than Christmas, you know, to go ahead and make fun of, you know, Heritage Americans and white people for being dumb and watching Boy Meets World.
I mean, it was just a shameless strategy of Vivek and Elon.
But what I was going to say is like four years ago, definitely eight years ago, I think nobody would have batted a nine.
Like they would have said, yeah, like no illegal immigration, but even more legal immigration, you know, and they would like, and yes, like if we want America first, that means America, the sports team, the jersey.
And it doesn't actually have to be Americans.
It just means trading players and how will we, you know, compete on the world stage and, you know, with the AI, you know, race without all the geniuses in India.
And I think like, honestly, like a lot of, you know, conservatives eight years ago, even four years ago, I think the majority, 80%, 90% would have agreed.
But this time, like the Overton window really has shifted enough to where, I mean, Vivek got kicked out of Doge over that.
You know what I mean?
Like now he's still probably going to be governor of Ohio, which that kind of sucks.
But like, but at least, you know, like there actually were some repercussions.
And even Elon did like that little, you know, it wasn't great, but he did a little apology video, you know, recently where he came out and was like, yeah, but I guess actually, you know, as I thought about it more, like America first, I guess that does actually mean the people, you know,
actually having a life and the future and surviving, you know, and, but my point is like when the world's richest man, when there's enough wind in our sales to where you can get him to backpedal and apologize, like that's that kind of, I don't think that happened, would happen eight years ago.
No, especially there is something happening now.
It is like there's, there's a lot to be concerned about, a lot more work to do, but this is encouraging.
elijah schaffer
Right.
And I got to say, I actually have the apology video from Musk.
From, no, from Vivek.
Check this out here on.
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michael mendoza
Eh, doesn't sound very apologetic if you ask it was really.
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We're here with Snowflake News, Pastor Joel Webbin, and Michael Mendoza of the Mendoza Report, our special guest tonight.
We'll see you in a few minutes.
unidentified
Right back, ladies and
gentlemen.
elijah schaffer
We are back and i'm looking for some more money for this operations.
So I've thought maybe I'll make fun of Christianity more and then Daily Wire will advertise here.
We're going to get into some clips in a second, some stuff, some really funny stuff.
Joel Webbin is here, Pastor Joel Webbin.
If you want to show him for a second, he exists.
He's drinking water.
But I thought it was kind of a breaking report here.
It's kind of interesting.
Glenn Greenwald, who's a very self-respected and publicly respected individual and journalist, right?
He just let us know that, you know, maybe we were wrong about Trump because, you know, we're not deporting anyone.
No one's leaving.
You know what I mean?
We're not really fixing our problems.
But check this out.
Under new guidelines released by the NIH, the National Institute of Health, which covers all of our medical research, any medical researchers will have all funds terminated if they support a boycott of Israel.
They can support a boycott of any other country or even other U.S. states, just not Israel.
And quote, discriminatory, no, discriminatory, prohibited boycott means refusing to deal, cutting commercial relations, or otherwise limiting commercial relations specifically with Israeli companies or with companies doing business in or with Israel or authorized licensed by organized under the laws of Israel to do business.
By accepting the grant award, recipients are certifying that they do not engage and will not during the term of this award engage in any discrimination, prohibited, boycott.
So now, in order to do medical research and use American tax dollars to fund research to help Americans in America, you have to support Israel.
michael hennessey
That's so insane.
elijah schaffer
That is.
We're going to have to get these people out of our country.
And what I mean by these people, I mean, these, whoever, whoever it is that's occupying it, whoever these people are that are manipulating our president and our government, anyone caught doing that is going to have to be not put in prison.
They have to be expelled and banned from coming into the country ever again.
If you're found to have been behind this, like if we, when we take, as we're growing in power, it's going to turn into some sort of a conflict or something because I am telling you, this is treason.
Like the people behind this are enemies of our country.
This is enemy behavior.
You want to block the ability for us to use our own money to help our own citizens unless we support you.
That is, that's treasonous behavior.
And when I say, who are these people got to kick out?
Well, it's going to be traitors.
So if you were found to be serving another country and not our country, even if it's an ally, but you're serving the other country and you're hurting us at their benefit, that's still enemy behavior.
Because even if they're our ally, you're still doing something to hurt us, but help them.
You're our enemy.
You do not get to live here.
You're going to be nice that we let you go, right?
You should be thankful because we could do worse.
The humane option is you get to leave.
matt walsh
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
It could happen 100 times or more.
Traitors.
matt walsh
I mean, yeah, it's either America first or it's not.
America can't just be a tax foreign for Israel or somebody else.
It's either we are allowed to have a country or we're not.
michael hennessey
Yeah, it doesn't matter what country it is.
Anybody who's influencing our politicians who are now creating these laws, which are, you know, one, limiting free speech.
Also, you see now in the medical, the medical field, this should not be allowed.
We need to put an end to it.
And the sad part is, you know, like even like the dual citizenship we have, I think that's something with our politicians that needs to come to an end.
If you decide that you are going to represent the American people, I think you need to swear allegiance to America.
Correct.
Not any other foreign party, but I mean, any foreign country.
But what we have is we have all these politicians.
Plenty of them are putting out videos now and they got, you know, flags from maybe Israel.
Well, it's always Israel, but in the background and not even the American flags hung anymore.
So it just shows you how much we're occupied.
And it's crazy, too, because this is like stuff.
You know, I remember Trump was actually attacking Marco Rubio in the beginning because of the money he was receiving from foreign influence.
And now that he's received that money, this is the type of, you know, crap that we're running into.
matt walsh
So, right.
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm really confused by this.
What was just some people said?
Someone said a research institute could be close to developing treatments or cures for cancer or Alzheimer's, but will lose the grants unless they certify they don't support a boycott of Israel.
Beyond everything else, it's absolutely amazing how the Trump admin and U.S. Congress issue new rules, laws, measures, threats, and other policies on a virtually daily basis about this one single foreign country on the other side of the world, all under the banner of America First.
And so he said, someone said, well, maybe because they have never boycotted any country except Israel.
He said, that's a complete lie.
Universities boycotted South Africa to help end its apartheid regime.
There have been boycotts against U.S. states for bathroom bills and voting laws, Indiana, North Carolina, Georgia.
The U.S. government forces boycotts against Russia, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, and others, right?
And it's like, they just say they're not allowed to discriminate.
Well, it didn't say against, you know, Jewish Americans of heritage.
It said, Israel.
It's a country.
matt walsh
It's a country.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
So if I'm like doing research and I feel like, you know, hey, let's say England decides that they want to use like fetal cells in their, in, in some sort of a delivery method that I'm using in my lab.
Well, maybe I just go, okay, I don't want to take anything from England because I want to boycott, we're going to be boycotting England because we don't believe in the way they develop their products.
We don't believe in ideologically that them harvesting child stem cells or unborn child stem cells is ethical.
So we're going to be a boycott because we don't believe in their behavior and what they're doing over there.
And even if we're not using those delivery systems, we're kind of like boycotting their scientific system for what it does.
You know, maybe when they were making Jews into lampshades and soap and making them masturbation machines and stuff back in the day.
Remember that, Michael?
I remember that?
michael mendoza
Yeah.
I do remember that.
Sorry.
elijah schaffer
Would you boycott the Nazis?
michael mendoza
Wouldn't you do that?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
Sorry, I was just noticing that I think someone bumped into Mike's camera when we were on break, but I'll throw it off.
I'll fix that in a bit.
Yeah, I'll fix that in a bit.
So sorry, I was taken off by that a little bit.
But yeah, it's crazy too to see in the time when everyone in the UN is walking out on Mr. Netanyahu's speeches.
I mean, Israel has almost lost favor completely with the entire world because of their actions.
And, you know, I mean, when October 7th happened, I think a lot of people knew where this is going to eventually lead.
Miram Adelson didn't donate $100 million for nothing.
They took this as their opportunity to complete their power grab.
And, you know, they want to follow through with their plan of Greater Israel.
October 7th was just a pretense.
And then now they're going to war with every country in the region.
They want that entire region.
And also what they're doing is, you know, they already have the government captured.
But now what's next?
What's the next elite institution that kind of grooms people to get into those positions of power?
It's the Ivy League schools.
And how many of those schools have had complete upheavals of the administrations there?
A lot of them now.
I can't give you an exact number, but that was the whole thing behind the president, whatever, something gay at Harvard, I think it was.
So they are kind of consolidating their power.
And then that's why they don't want any kind of, and even with TikTok, same thing with TikTok.
They had to find a pretense to make sure that people were getting banned for talking for speaking out against it.
Simply for humanitarian efforts too.
It wasn't for anything that was ideological necessarily, but it was more so just because they want to consolidate power.
They want to see through with their plans in the end.
michael hennessey
So, yeah, that was the whole thing with Israel.
What they tried to do is say, okay, it's because of China.
And it shows you the influence Israel has.
I mean, that was the one time you had Democrats and Republicans, everybody agreeing that, you know, this TikTok has to be stopped.
And the bills were getting ready to be pushed immediately.
And it was really just the silence because they were getting people against them, you know, that were going against the war and all the decisions that they were making.
So I think they're going to be pushing a lot harder too because they see their grasp on us is starting to go away, especially because the boomers are really the ones who were following blindly to Israel.
And since that's kind of fading off, now they're seeing that people are not buying in to all this kind of, you know, like false, false.
elijah schaffer
Jewish lies.
michael hennessey
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
elijah schaffer
It's always like, Fabian, yeah, yeah, like trouble.
michael hennessey
Yeah, yeah.
I want the show to stay on a little bit longer.
But yeah, but it is.
elijah schaffer
This is manipulation from a foreign nation who needs to be treated as enemies.
And I am not like, it's not even extremism.
It's like, I believe Israel is an enemy of the United States.
I believe the Israeli government is a foreign operation that is taking control of our government.
Maybe Jack Cruz is correct, which he says that the reason why they've been able to do so is because, you know, the Zionists made a deal with the crown in the early 1800s after they lost the colony in the United States to try to get back to the United States and get back control of our country.
And so they made a deal with them to give them back Zion.
And then they, because obviously the Jews also don't like, you know, they don't like Protestants.
They don't like Christians.
That basically they sent them in a couple hundred years earlier to start taking over institutional power.
And then they worked with the, you know, World War I, World War II to give them their land.
And once they gave them their land, then they decided they would go full control of the United States government.
And then they had to, you know, in exchange for that, they had to get us off the gold standard so they could become financial capitalists so that they could control the debt market.
And then essentially, you know, because they got us into a debt circle, we essentially are so distracted and so disillusioned with our declining style of life that we didn't even realize that we've been controlled by these people.
And then by getting control of us, why would the Jews agree to do that?
Because they're going to get a lot of anti-Semitism.
People are going to hate them.
Well, it's because then they're going to get control of the U.S. military and get the support to fight the wars they want to control the greater region.
So it's kind of like a back and forth.
The crown gets to control the Israel and Zion, but at the same time, it still remains their colony.
The Jews get an appearance of power.
They also get, you know, allowed to do whatever they want in the United States because ultimately the crown just wanted the power back and they wanted to dethrone the United States.
And so maybe that's true.
And that's what Jack, he's a very famous guy, very smart.
He says that's all what's happening.
But I told him, I go, maybe that's true.
And it might be.
So what you're saying is that the crown is the real problem.
And maybe you're right, but who's in the way?
And it's Israel's in the way.
And I don't think that the Jews and Israel realize and Zionists and all these people that, you know, whatever's going on politically here, it's just going to make things really bad in the future because white people are not going away.
And we're looking at this and we're becoming radicalized.
You know, I'm just saying, I'm seeing young people.
You're not like this, Pastor, but we're becoming radicalized because when you tell me, oh, you know, making a joke on Babylon B about Christians or whatever, fine, whatever.
I don't care.
But even though that's the whole title of the show, but when I look my sons in the eye, like I looked at my son today, I literally gave him the biggest kiss on the forehead.
You know, he's only two, by the way, to clarify.
This is not like a grown-ass kid.
You know, I hugged him and he's like, cuddle, cuddle.
And he just wanted to hold on to me because he thought he almost drowned.
He didn't.
And he's just holding me shivering because he's cold outside.
And I'm like, holding him.
I'm just thinking, man, I am not going to let this kid down.
You know what I mean?
Like, I do not care on what they do to me.
I don't care what they dig up from my past, what they make up about my past.
I don't care what they call me.
I don't care what the money they continually take away from me.
I'm going to keep going because I am not going to let this kid down.
And these people hate young white boys, particularly, especially straight young white boys.
And he's like the enemy of their global agenda.
And so I'm not going to fail him, you know?
And I think that we owe it to the ones not born yet.
You know, I mean, like, it seems crazy.
It's like I look at my six-month-old son.
It's like, I owe it to you, bud.
I'll talk to him like that crazy.
I'm doing this for you.
We're going to do it, but I'm not going to let you grow up in a world and in a country where you don't have power and things don't work or we're going to die trying.
You know, either I'm going to die trying or you're going to die trying.
You got to realize that's where it's where it's going to go.
We have it very easy now.
We don't have to die yet.
So, you know, we're not in prison or dead yet, but we're getting there.
michael hennessey
Prison's probably coming up soon.
matt walsh
Yeah.
And if it's not prison, I mean, just to be as realistic as possible, there's a lot of power and sway that can be done organically and informally.
It doesn't have to be lawfare just by pressing corporations of who they hire.
Like we, we've already seen that from the left, right?
So we already saw from the left, a full court press, that it wasn't necessarily legal.
Like you're going to go to jail because you're white or because you voted for a Republican or because of this or because of that.
But we saw from the left, like, but we can make you unemployable, right?
We can, you know, like, like, we, you know, we're not going to, we're not going to breach the Constitution and come up with some kind of legislation.
We're not going to put you in jail.
We're just going to make sure that you can't feed your kids.
You know, those very kind things, you know, those very tolerant things.
And I think what we're realizing now is the very real possibility that that's going to happen.
joel webbon
It's not just going to be the left.
matt walsh
That's going to happen from the right.
So for the left, it's going to be you're a racist and a bigot.
From the right, it's going to be you're an anti-Semite.
But in both cases, what we're realizing now is we don't just have a fight from one side of the aisle, but we actually are flanked on both sides, right?
So it's homophobia and racism on this side.
It's anti-Semitism, you know, on that side.
But in either case, neither one may be, you know, in the formal sense legal, you know, lawfare against you.
You're going to go to prison.
But absolutely, like making your life hell.
Like, what was a clip from that one guy?
Some guy with like slick back hair, looked like an Italian mafia dude, but I think he was Jewish.
But he was saying, he was saying, we'll make it to where you can't get a job and shut down where you can't get a bank account and where you can't like.
It was like the video went viral.
He wasn't joking and he's somebody in a prestigious position.
And he's saying, this is what we can do.
And this is what we should do.
And this is what, if he has anything to say about it, we will do.
So that's a real, that's a real future that I think every conservative Christian should be thinking about, especially Christians, because as Christians, we don't have the prerogative of just going with, you know, like putting our finger in the wind and just, you know, going with the vibe.
Like we actually have timeless principles that we're beholden to.
Like our allegiance ultimately is to Christ.
And if I'm going to be faithful to Christ, then I have to be able to say that every false religion is demonic.
Every false religion is a lie.
And Judaism is an antichrist religion.
And if I could say just one thing about Judaism, just for, you know, for the, I don't know, the Redditor, you know, whatever, the low IQ, you know, counter to play the devil's advocate, you know, they would say like, you know, well, you, you know, most people in Israel, this is something Charlie Kirk would say, you know, which I don't have anything against Charlie Kirk.
He's done a lot of good, but it's something he would say.
He would be like, well, most people have never even read the Talmud.
Yeah, okay, look, I pastor a church in America.
Ask me how many Americans have read the Bible.
Not many.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
matt walsh
Not many at all.
michael hennessey
Right.
matt walsh
Like, like, well, most, you know, most Jews, you know, Jewish people, ethnically Jewish people, they don't even, you know, they don't even practice Judaism.
And even those who have, it's only 20% and only a sliver of them have actually read the Talmud.
And there's debates over, you know, which portions of the Talmud are legitimate or this portion trumps that port.
That's the same thing with Christianity, right?
There's different theologians on both sides of the aisle who debate with one another.
And most Christians have never read the Bible.
Most Christians have never read the book of Lamentations, for instance.
joel webbon
It's the same thing.
matt walsh
But when I think of America, I think everyone here.
even if they're an atheist like Richard Dawkins or something, you know, like would say, yeah, but I'm still a cultural Christian, Elon Musk, I'm a cultural Christian.
joel webbon
And here's my point with that.
matt walsh
I think there's actually a certain level of truth in that.
Are they nominal Christians?
Are they actually like regenerate?
Are they actually?
No, they're not.
But it is true.
Like if you want to see, if you want to see what a non-Christian country, a country that's never been shaped by Christendom ever, they don't have a Christian heritage, go to some country in sub-Saharan Africa.
And all you have to do is just get in a motorized vehicle and come to a four-way stop and see what kind of rituals they have.
michael hennessey
Right?
matt walsh
Like, well, there's, you know, it's just a right of way and an orderly system with courtesy and preference for one another.
joel webbon
B.S.
matt walsh
No, it's, it's might makes right.
Whoever can get in there first and I'll pay off the police officer and I'll wreck your car and drive away, you know, and never exchange information.
Like, that's like, that's how third world countries operate.
They don't have, they haven't been shaped by Christendom.
So my point is this, America has.
It doesn't matter if you're a practicing Christian.
It doesn't matter if you're actually regenerate.
It doesn't matter if you've never even darkened the door of a church.
You have, simply by being an American, born and raised, you have been shaped by a thousand years, a millennium, all the way from King Alfred, all the way to the founding of America.
You have been shaped and swimming in a sea of Christendom.
And it does shape your culture, the way you think, the way you behave, all these things.
Here's my point.
Same with Israel.
Judaism is the reigning ideology.
Well, most don't even practice.
Most haven't even read the, no, you've been shaped by an antichrist ideology.
You have.
But I'm not even a practicing Jew.
You've been shaped by an antichrist ideology that is by nature subversive.
And I'm not saying that there's not hope that you can't believe the gospel and be born again and be brought to salvation, but it is naive for Christians to think, well, most Jews, you know, yeah, Judaism, especially Talmudic Judaism is really pernicious and there's really some problems with that, but that's just a sliver.
No, in the same way, there's only a sliver, I would say a sliver of people in America who are genuinely Christians and go to church every Sunday and are seeking to obey, you know, the principles of scripture, same concept, same principle, but everyone in America has been shaped by Christian culture.
And Israel and Jews have been shaped by Judaism.
And we should be aware of that.
michael hennessey
Yeah, no, I agree that it does shape you.
You have the, you know, growing up around it.
It starts to seep into your soul.
You start to believe, you know, whatever that those teachings are.
One thing I will say that's interesting is that, you know, for instance, me, I don't think that every single Jew is wicked.
As you said, they could find their way to Jesus Christ.
They can, you know, repent.
matt walsh
But Jesus Christ can find his way to them.
Correct.
michael hennessey
Well, I think Jesus is with us all the time.
I think it's more, you know, I mean, you know the Bible a lot more better than I do, but I believe he's with us at all times.
It's just us recognizing that he's there.
But the interesting part is, too, is when we go ahead and we talk about the Israeli government and like Netanyahu and everything, it's like, okay, instantly you hate everybody in that country.
You want, you know, you're racist or whatever it could be.
I mean, for years, for the past four years, we were complaining about Joe Biden, you know, about how he was running the country.
And that doesn't mean that I hate every American.
matt walsh
He's not Jewish.
michael hennessey
Correct.
Yeah.
matt walsh
And I still had plenty of problems with him.
michael hennessey
Correct.
So, you know, just because that we don't agree with the government and everything doesn't mean that we're trying to wish, you know, wickedness upon anybody.
I believe everybody has a chance to, as I said, build a relationship with God.
But for us, the question is for an influence that's destroying our country.
I mean, that's something we all need to be paying attention to.
matt walsh
Amen.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
And I want to, so I want to switch gears here a little bit to a couple of things that Joel's been involved in that is actually pretty funny.
So one of the things is he is actually pretty much a fan, or I shouldn't say a fan.
He is constantly getting clipped up by right-wing.
matt walsh
I'm not a fan.
They're a fan.
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Let me see if I can.
matt walsh
It's honestly, it's kind of like a class five clinger.
You know, like they just love me.
michael hennessey
They just latch right onto it.
matt walsh
They love me, man.
Some might even say it's parasitical.
But yeah, they can't let me go.
They can't get enough.
elijah schaffer
I didn't realize that they were clipping you up so often so much.
No, I found you through right-wing watching.
matt walsh
Yeah, somebody texted me a screenshot the other day, and it was like, they have like a rating system of like top 10 people that they've clipped up and stuff like that.
Number one was Nick Fuentes, shocker, you know, but number two was Joel Webbin.
Really?
Pretty impressive.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, you are.
So you are clipping them a lot.
They were really mad at you.
They said Christian nationalist Joel Webb and Wesley Todd urged the government to literally seize the property of the wicked.
They were really mad about this.
matt walsh
They were warning that this is extremely classic.
This is a fan favorite.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, we love this.
Check this out.
matt walsh
Yeah, people love it.
unidentified
You can map it out.
We got 57,000 buildings to take over within those 50,000, 7,000 millions of people to convince, tons of ministers.
Like, that's, I mean, that's decades of work.
Or, hear me out.
Hear me out.
matt walsh
Already.
unidentified
The president, the sovereign, the magistrate, Baron Trump, he comes out and says, King, I've taken a task force.
We've gone through every website.
We've driven by every building.
And we have logged thousands of churches with pride flags out front, women on the clergy.
And there are soldiers on the street now.
We are taking their property and we are giving it to the faithful churches in town.
matt walsh
Amen.
Love it.
unidentified
That is completely lovely.
Historically, within the realm of the magistrate.
He can do that.
elijah schaffer
It's you that said this.
unidentified
Apostate, wicked church.
And you're building your land, your heritage is taken from you.
matt walsh
For the civil magistrate, even in our American system, to say your property is seized and you're out on the street would be glittering.
unidentified
And that's kindness.
You're out on the street.
You're taking your property out of jail or the moderate, soft position.
That is the position.
And that is a united church.
matt walsh
So we were Constantine Maxing a little bit.
There's a rich tradition throughout Christian history of basically the whole purpose of that episode was to say, and Protestants really struggled with it.
And I am a Protestant.
And so a lot of our base struggled with that video.
But we did a whole episode on, basically the title was The State Must Correct the Church.
And so when you think of Constantine, you think of Arianism, right?
Which was a Trinitarian heresy, you know, and Arius, you know, and Athanasius, you know, Constantine was the one who he's not, you know, he's not a minister.
He's not clergy, but he uses his civil magistrate role and says, you guys are going to sort this out.
joel webbon
So he doesn't solve it.
matt walsh
He doesn't say, you know, an edict from on high.
This is the theological position.
joel webbon
But what he did do is he put them together.
matt walsh
And for like, what, like a month, I think it was, Wes, is that right?
About a month together.
You guys are going to sort this out.
And he had a side that he was rooting for and maybe was kind of pulling the strings a little bit.
But that's where we got the Nicene Creed, right?
So for 1700 years, Christians, whether you're Catholic or Eastern Orthodox or Protestant, we're all in unity together behind these historic creeds and the Nicene Creed being one of the principal creeds.
And that came, we forget the context, but that was the state, right?
Saying, no, I'm not going to allow heresy.
Even the Westminster divines in the Westminster Confession says that one of the duties and responsibilities of the civil magistrate is to suppress all heresies and to see to that there are no blasphemies.
So when I say I'm a Christian nationalist, I don't mean like Marjorie Taylor Green, Christian nationalist.
I mean, no, I'm like old school Christian nationalists.
I believe that there should be blasphemy laws.
joel webbon
I believe there should be Sabbath laws.
matt walsh
I believe like, I and people say, well, that's dictating faith or matters of conscience or matters of the heart.
No, only the Lord Jesus can actually convert the soul, can actually dictate the conscience and the heart.
But what I'm talking about is outward manifestations.
I'm talking about behavior.
So to say in public that the sisters of perpetual indulgence that mock Christ, if there's some public demonstration of blasphemy towards Christ, where are the armed guards?
This woman is hysterical.
Please take her away.
Somebody needs to be doing that.
michael hennessey
Yeah, we do need to reclaim the church and we do need to speak up against these things.
I mean, even Jesus flipped tables when he came into the church and it was, you know.
So I do think things need to be done.
Obviously, you can see the way the Christians, everything's being corrupted.
And if we don't do anything about it, it's only going to get worse.
Right.
matt walsh
And that's, that's what we were saying.
It's just, I think it's naive.
So I've said it like this.
I am working pastorally at a local level.
I am working and praying as a Christian man, as a pastor towards revival and asking that God would save our country and do it by actually legitimately saving individual people one heart at a time and preaching the gospel, salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone.
That said, historically speaking, if we look at not just what we wish God might do, but if we look at what God has done, historically speaking, what we've seen is more often than not, top-down revival, not bottom-up.
And we just need to be aware of that.
Most nations that have been converted or revivals that have swept the land have been, even in biblical times, it's not that Israel in the Old Testament says, you know what, we see the error of our ways and we're having to come to Jesus' moment one heart at a time and, you know, walking down the aisle, going to an altar call.
And we're going to, you know, and now that we're better people with better hearts, we're going to vote better and appoint civil magistrates that are godly, you know, and that are going to legislate virtue and Christian character and these kinds of things.
That's not what happens.
Josiah comes in and he says, I regret to inform you that the idolatry in the high places are coming down.
The asher poles will be ground into dirt and the high places resurrected to Baal will be destroyed.
And the people are not on board.
And he says, hey, here's the great thing.
You don't have to be.
It's happening.
We will worship the Lord and you will not blaspheme, whether you like it or not, by edict.
And that's what we see in the Old Testament, but not just the Old Testament.
That is what we have seen in European nations.
Even in America, people think like that, but that's not American.
What about the First Amendment?
Even in America, we had blasphemy laws on the books.
We had blue laws, Sabbath laws in Texas, my home state.
I remember even as a kid, I don't know about now because I don't really do this, but like as a kid, you couldn't buy liquor on Sunday, right?
There were still certain things.
elijah schaffer
Texas is still like that.
matt walsh
Yeah, okay, it is.
unidentified
So, yeah, I still, you can't buy liquor.
matt walsh
And even most of the restaurants and stuff don't open until the afternoon.
Why?
Because Sunday morning is reserved for church.
So we're not talking like when people say, well, this is a pipe dream or handsmaid's tale or whatever, like not like we're talking about something that God has done before and he's done it here and he did it relatively recently.
These are not extreme views.
Our culture has lost its mind.
So it looks extreme.
But I always, you know, I say it tongue-in-cheek, but I actually believe it.
I'm just a moderate centrist, Christian nationalist.
You know, no big deal.
elijah schaffer
Moderate centrist?
I wouldn't say that because a couple more clips here that were brought up.
This title, the title of this article, Joel Webbin does not want to see women in the public sphere.
matt walsh
One of my favorite moderate centrist views right here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joel webbon
You're going to love it.
In a nutshell, in general, I don't want to see women in the public sphere.
You mean they shouldn't hold political office?
Correct.
You mean you don't want to see them podcasting?
Correct.
unidentified
But what about what about in the marketplace?
joel webbon
You know, with nine to five, you know, careers.
No, not that either.
Like, I don't want to see women holding positions in the public square.
elijah schaffer
I think you speak for all of us when we say, hell yeah, Pastor.
Oh, man, that was, uh, I just had a vision of, uh.
Can we also throw in men who act like women too?
matt walsh
Women of both sexes.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, women of both, women with penises and women without them.
Because I, the, you know, this is not your word, you're a pastor, but like we have a no woman working in this office.
You know, obviously, if people have been around for the years, you'd know why I did that.
But, but honestly, it's like, I cannot deal again with just bitchy behavior and the gossiping.
The they take the smallest things and they try to pit everyone in the office against each other.
Everything's a game to them.
It's like a cat or something, right?
Every string, everything you say is a string and they're going to try to grab it and do something with it.
And you'd be like, thinking like everything's going good.
Life is good and there's nothing wrong and everyone's having a good time.
And then you find out like somebody secretly hates you.
Then you find out why they hate you to find out it's always some chick talking to them and freaking them out about you.
And that's in every office I've worked in.
It's literally insane behavior.
And then of course they're not reasonable.
So when you confront them, they're like, no, it's not what it is.
And then they can't be confronted.
Then when you tell them, no, this is what it is.
You're lying about me or you're saying this.
You're misrepresenting me.
Then they don't take any accountability.
And then like, I didn't actually, that's not what happened.
And then you get in trouble because they complain about you.
Then they complain to HR about you.
So he's harassing me.
And you're like, hey, you're lying to people in the office about me.
And yeah.
And then they end up suing.
So it turned into a lawsuit.
The book of Isaiah.
matt walsh
The book of Isaiah in the scripture even says that one of the judgments of God upon a nation is that they would be ruled by women and children.
And so none of this, again, like it's tongue-in-cheek when I say moderate centrist, but it really is historically speaking.
Today, I'm a far-right extremist, you know, but even just 100 years ago, none of this would be absurd.
None of this would be absurd to say, yeah, women should not hold civil office.
Women, their primary place is a domestic and feminine role of nurturing.
It should be in the home.
You know, even like, you know, Puritans, Puritan Protestant pastors would say that a godly woman is a woman of the hearth.
And what that means is she's a woman who's whose feet are not constantly leaving her home, being a busybody, going here and going there.
But she's in her home.
Her business is about her children.
The Problems 31 woman is a high capacity, intelligent woman.
It's not degrading towards women.
She's doing all kinds of things.
She's an intelligent, competent woman, but everything stems from her home.
So she's even involved in industry, but her industry is an extension of her husband.
It's an extension of her household.
She's working out of the house.
She has servants, right?
And those servants report to her.
But ultimately, the servants belong to her husband.
And it's within the dynamic of the household.
That's the center of operation, of production.
joel webbon
And she's a manager.
matt walsh
That's the other thing.
Everything that she's doing in the home is from the place of a manager.
But men are meant to be kings.
Kings and managers are not the same.
That's what we have.
Our government is a managerial class, a managerial class.
It's not kingly.
Kings take hills.
Kings look for the next battle.
Kings press forward.
Kings go to war.
Managers just, they're nitpicky.
Like, why?
So when women do enter the workplace, where do they go?
HR departments, you know, therapy?
You know, like they, they naturally, in other words, women naturally gravitate towards if they can't be a mom at home, they'll go be your mom in your workplace.
And there'll be some 35-year-old grown man's mom who is telling him what to do.
And ultimately, I mean, studies have been done about like slowing down that company's production.
And, you know, like what Elijah said, like even, you know, introducing weird relational dynamics where there's more suspicion and more gossip.
And since women have left the home, is our country better?
Has it improved?
I actually love women.
And I think it's good for women to get to be wives, to get to be mothers.
My wife doesn't have to work 60 hours a week under fluorescent lights for another man who doesn't care about her.
And here's the thing is like, you talk about a husband's authority.
It's like, well, that's crazy.
Every woman is fine with a man telling her exactly what time she needs to show up, exactly what she needs to do, her dress code, what she needs to wear, right?
Like women are fine with a man saying, this is your uniform down to the T, what color clothes to wear, what type of clothes to wear, what time to show up, what to do.
They're fine with it.
Just not if that man who's telling them what to do happens to be their husband who made vows to her and who actually loves her.
So a man who doesn't love her can tell her what to do.
Yes, sir.
But the man who loves her and married her, and like Ephesians chapter five says, would be willing to give his life for her as Christ gave his life for the church.
That man, he's a tyrant if he ever tells me what to do.
And I just reject that.
I reject that.
I think that that is crap.
elijah schaffer
Where's that clap?
matt walsh
I'm being serious.
elijah schaffer
You know what?
I was going to say randomly, I know we're talking about women, so I know this is offending you because, you know, I usually don't like to talk about women when they're in the room with us.
matt walsh
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Oh, God.
elijah schaffer
I was going to say, I didn't want to offend you today, Michelle.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
But sorry, his trans the thing is people think I'm making fun of her, but it's I'm actually being a Christian because we don't respect the gender transition.
Just because you look like a man and you talk like a man doesn't mean that.
michael hennessey
I mean, doing good.
The hormones got me looking better than you.
joel webbon
It's pretty damn good.
matt walsh
Honestly, he better be paying you well.
joel webbon
That's a troll move right there.
michael hennessey
Yeah, he shoots him sometimes.
joel webbon
Elijah, you were just like, you're a professional troll.
elijah schaffer
Ask him not if I pay him well.
Ask him if I ever even pay him.
That's actually the truth.
It's not even a joke.
michael hennessey
I definitely don't get paid.
And then I guess I thought it was close because sometimes we wonder if Elijah's coming out of the closet.
elijah schaffer
The problem with me is I was born in one of those Japanese homes with no closets.
You know what I mean?
So it's like, I've just been in the studio.
It's just a giant room and I've been here the whole time and you just didn't see it.
But it was because you didn't like me.
I didn't like you until you transitioned.
michael hennessey
That's it.
And I figured that's the way you could get closer to being actually straight is trying to get somebody who looks like a man, but then I was like, is that, that's a good question for the past professor.
elijah schaffer
That you know, the straight with extra steps where it's like, if I'm like a gay guy will like be with a woman who I don't even like to call transition, but like you know, tries to look like a man, and then but it's like you're still with a woman.
Are you really gay?
michael hennessey
It's still good, it's still good, okay?
You heard it here, buddy.
elijah schaffer
Sorry, Mike.
That was a report.
You write that down.
Your last report was incorrect.
It's that you had the wrong conclusion.
And I'm just going to say this: you shouldn't have pulled, uh, yeah, you shouldn't have pulled that one.
I guess it was a Keith Woods and data analysis chart was incorrect.
So that's not good.
Anyway, you were going to say something.
michael hennessey
I just wanted to threw me off on that one.
Oh, no, no, I was telling you.
Yeah, yeah, no, no secrets there.
No, the whole, the whole movement, especially with the feminist movement, that was used on purpose just to separate the family, to ruin the household, to collect extra money as far as taxes are concerned, and then also to make sure that the children leave in the home sooner so this way they can be indoctrinated.
So the whole thing behind that is terrible.
And it separates the beauty of God bringing everybody together is how a family's supposed to be, the structure of it.
matt walsh
So it was also tied up with the temperance movement, prohibition.
So the same group that was the raging feminist of the time were also the ones who banned alcohol.
And part of it was because, you know, there were abuses for sure.
There always are.
But part of it was that's where the men would congregate and gather.
And that was the pub was the, you know, it was the HQ of strategy, of political strategy.
Like this is where men would get together.
And from that environment and the relationships forged there and the meetings that they would have in the local pub, that's where a lot of male leadership stemmed and flowed out of.
And so even that, like, you think, like, what does temperance, you know, like, what does, you know, a ban on alcohol have to do with feminism?
Uh, quite a lot, it turns out.
michael hennessey
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And you see the effect it has, too.
elijah schaffer
I am vindicated.
matt walsh
I am vindicated.
michael hennessey
Let the record state.
matt walsh
I did say that there are abuses.
So, you know, if the shoe fits, I'm not saying it does, but.
elijah schaffer
Oh, we're, yeah, we're about to take over the country.
So, what I heard from the pastor was, we're going to have to do a bunch of drinking before we take this country over.
Let's go.
michael hennessey
I'm getting blamed for it.
And the problem is, Steve is that we don't, the way we are now is everything's supposed to be supposedly equal.
We need to make everybody, everybody's the same, but they're not the same.
God created us differently.
God created men with great characteristics, just like He created the woman.
Woman's more loving, more caring, more supportive, like that.
And the man is more of the hunter, the gatherer.
So we and a leader.
So we strayed away from all of that.
matt walsh
And then, even you have like soft complimentarian, you know, would be the theological term.
But like, you know, some of the churches that, you know, they've tried to keep their conservative card.
And they're like, well, we have male pastors, you know, and like, but I always say, you know, it's the shadow elders are the ones who actually call the shots.
And the shadow elders are the wives of the elders.
Right.
So elders will like get together, they'll have a meeting, and they'll make a decision for the life of the church and future and direction.
And, you know, and then, you know, you go home and two days later, one by one, each of the elders is calling, you know, the senior pastor and saying, you know, after more thought and prayer, I kind of think maybe that's the wrong decision and we should do something else.
And the proper response, of course, is to say, did you talk to your wife?
Should I just could you put her on the phone?
joel webbon
So I'd like to talk to the one who wears the pants.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
matt walsh
You know what I mean?
joel webbon
Like, could I talk to the head of the house?
matt walsh
Could you put the missus on?
But that, like, even in your conservative churches, you may not have a woman who's preaching on Sunday and she may not be the senior pastor, but it's still very much female-led.
And then these soft kind of complimentarian churches, what I was going to say is the key phrase it's always used is servant leadership.
Like, okay, well, yeah, the man's supposed to be the leader.
You know, the husband is the head of the home, but he's a servant leader.
But what they mean by that when they say servant leader is that he leads by serving.
But what the phrase was actually supposed to mean is that instead of he leads by serving, it's that his service is his leadership.
So, like when a general gives command after command after command, he's not asking, he's not sweeping, you know, the deck or cleaning the toilet, you know, to show his, you know, his servant's heart.
No, like his service, he is serving those men.
And how is he serving those men?
By telling them what to do.
And if they don't, they'll be thrown in the brink by giving absolute authoritative commands because he's in charge.
And that's how he's serving them.
He is serving and keeping, working tirelessly, sometimes going nights without sleep.
joel webbon
Like there was some movie with Tom Hanks.
matt walsh
It was like The Good Shepherd or something like that.
He's like a captain on a warship and it just shows him for like three days straight, you know, no sleep.
And he's, but he's not, he's not serving by like, hey, you know, like, why don't you take charge?
And is there something you'd like me to do?
No, he's like in command.
joel webbon
He's top of the food chain.
matt walsh
But every single man on that ship, when it's all said and done, and they actually make it through their lives and they're not killed, you know, and like he saves the whole crew.
joel webbon
All of them are just completely, you see on their faces the fidelity, the loyalty, the thankfulness, the gratitude.
matt walsh
And they're all just like, you served us well.
But he didn't serve them by abandoning his leadership.
joel webbon
His leadership was his service.
matt walsh
That's what the Bible is talking about.
So I serve my wife.
joel webbon
Absolutely.
matt walsh
I serve my wife by being the leader of my home and by giving commands, not tyrannical commands, not mean commands, but I do actually have authority.
If authority is just ethereal, if it's just abstract, if it's just this ambiguous idea, if it's just theoretical and it's not actually, people say, well, yeah, I'm the head of my house.
When's the last time you and your wife disagreed?
And what did you end up going with?
What was the conclusion?
elijah schaffer
They say, happy wife, happy life.
Do you go, bro, that is a bad way to live?
matt walsh
Yeah, it's bad for her.
joel webbon
It's bad for the kids.
It's bad for you.
matt walsh
And most importantly, it's not obedient to scripture.
It's not pleasing to God.
So, yes, there is a way of, but if you have authority without responsibility, without a sense of duty, then what you have is tyranny.
If you have duty and responsibility, but without authority, what you have is slavery.
That's what has been hoisted upon every young man in America, particularly young white Christian men.
What they want to do is they want to say, all your responsibilities, all your duties, right?
Love your neighbor, you know, and serve your country.
Go die for Israel.
Go die for shipping lanes with the Red Sea.
Go like all every sense of duty remains, but every corresponding ounce of authority has been stripped.
So it's no longer leadership.
It's slavery, right?
Like even with a police officer, on the side of the cart to serve and protect.
There's his responsibility, to serve and protect.
But then the corresponding authority is a badge and a gun.
elijah schaffer
He can legally kill people.
matt walsh
That's right.
So you don't get a badge and a gun without the duty to serve and protect, but you also don't get the responsibility and the job description of serving, protecting without the corresponding authority of a badge and a gun.
But that's what we've done to every husband in America.
joel webbon
And that's not going to work.
matt walsh
And here's the thing about men.
joel webbon
Eventually, they're going to be sick of it.
matt walsh
Like people think I'm extreme.
elijah schaffer
They are.
matt walsh
What I'm trying to do is diffuse a ticking time bomb.
I promise, if you don't listen to guys like Joel Webbin, give it 15 years, maybe sooner, and you will be pleading.
CNN, right-wing watch will be pleading.
Please bring back Joel Webbin.
He was reasonable.
I didn't realize this was a good cop, bad cop scenario, and that Joel was the good cop.
And that the 70 million men, young men who are now enraged and have zero tolerance and zero patience and zero maturity.
That's option B. Option A is guys like you, guys like me, doing a podcast, trying to reach the next generation and talking.
Talking is talking and saying hard things with just our words.
joel webbon
That's option A.
matt walsh
That is the moderate, humane, temperate option.
joel webbon
Option B is you suppress our speech, you penalize us, no one gets to say anything, no direction is given, and no changes take place.
matt walsh
And then one day, when you least expect it, millions of young white men wake up and burn down the country because they're angry and they're right to be angry.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I really do strongly believe that no better example of that than how Nick Fuentes has been demonized.
And then you see the people that follow him, the younger guys, and even Nick will sometimes be shocked at their comments.
You know, Nick will just be like, hey, you know, we need to work on getting rid of Jewish institutional power.
And the comments will be like, you cast the Jews.
joel webbon
They're going to go a few steps further.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
matt walsh
And I have those guys in my comments too.
And sometimes people say, well, why aren't you policing them?
It's like, look, dude, I have a wife and five kids.
I pastor a church.
Like, I can't be in the comment section every single day responding to Groiper 777, you know, anonymous account, you know, say, hey, by the way, like, let me give you some pastoral counsel.
joel webbon
Like, I can't pastorally counsel individually on a personal basis thousands of people.
elijah schaffer
We shouldn't, unless they're spamming, unless they're spamming.
Or I always say this: if they're literally calling for actual violence and breaking the law in the chat, then we'll probably mute you for the stream because you're actually jeopardizing the business.
But in terms of the business needing to be your mom, yeah, no Fed posting.
Yeah, exactly.
But in terms of me needing to be like a mom in the chat and like not letting people have, you know, somewhat insane ideas sometimes, it would be, would be arbitrarily against everything that I stand for.
But what I was saying about the extremity here is, you know, it's also in a positive way backfiring, though.
Because, like I said, when I looked at the table and went, okay, there's really not going to be a place for me at the table.
There's either two ways that I'm going to do this.
You know, I had some pretty good job offers after I left Blaze.
I took a step back and I go, I'm either A, going to lie to my audience and grift, and I'll go back to that table and I'll go work with these people, or B, I'm going to have to just double down and get more, more honest, more real, less, less, you know, less, police myself less.
And then as I've been doing this, I go, hey, you know, this attacks are getting pretty big.
I'm going to have to form my own network.
And everybody said, well, it can't be done if you don't take Zionist money and you're not a part of this club.
Because how are you going to promote your network?
You've got to be on Ben Shapiro.
You've got to go on these guys' shows to capture their audience, right?
You got to do audience capture.
It's what it's called.
And I'm like, you know, I don't think we need them anymore.
I think that if we don't do this and we don't let people know that there's other ways of thinking, like this is actually kind of the funny thing.
I'm actually doing what I hate.
It's like, I'm not trying to police people to prevent extremism, but I'm saying, hey, I'm kind of trying to be the one last shot of saying maybe there is a way that we can do this and we can work together and try.
But I can guarantee almost anyone I talk to who's young is just like, we're going to need blood and we're going to have to kill these people.
And that's what they tell me behind closed doors.
And I want to clarify, I'm not saying that.
Okay.
So people get, well, especially because we're on a podcast together, they called for violence or something.
I'm not calling for violence.
But when I do talk to young people, and this goes on the left too, by the way, the young lefties, they want blood, man.
They want real war, real street battles.
They want to kill people.
They want to behead people.
And that's why you even see with Austin Metcalfe, even at the, where we're at with right race relations, they're happy he died.
It's like, it's like, good, we got one of them.
And so people don't realize the volatility here.
And then you have like the right-wing media being like, so let's talk about trans women in bathrooms and Nancy Mace, you know, got disrespected.
You're like, hey, young people want to kill you.
Like, and I'm not going to say them by name because they will take me out of context saying that I'm threatening to kill them.
But these guys, these guys that come against me in the right-wing media, the young guys want you dead.
And it's not, they're not gripers.
That's not what it is.
It's just young guys who feel desperate and backed into a corner and they feel like you're suffocating them and they can't get a job.
They can't get into a good university.
Everything is rigged against them.
They can't find a wife because they're hoes.
They can't develop themselves because their family doesn't have any generational wealth.
They have no kids.
They'll never own a home.
They see no property in this country.
There's no other Western country they can go to that isn't flooded by these immigrants.
And they hate you and they want to kill you.
And I don't think they realize that by taking out the steam valves like you and me and people, you're actually going to make them possibly kill you.
And I don't want that.
And so maybe just try to be a little bit reasonable.
And the last thing I would advise, maybe don't then when you when you're seeing this, because this is what Jordan Peterson is seeing.
This is what Lindsay's seeing.
They're kind of seeing what we're seeing.
The best decision to do this would be probably not then dismiss them further, call them psychopaths, parasites, and rats, and then vouch to destroy them because you're 60 and they have youth and there's more of them being born every day.
And one of them is in my house and he's only six months old and he'll live past you.
I'm just saying, I'm just warning people, like I see the extremism rising too.
And the entire way it's being approached is very bad.
And I don't see this ending well.
I don't see any of this ending well in our country, but I'm not like Tim Poole, where like, I'm like, everything's civil war.
I don't think it's happening right now.
I don't think it's coming tomorrow.
I don't think every strike in Iran is World War III.
But I, and I like Tim, but I'm just not that kind of person.
But I do think that if we don't change course and start listening to these people and start addressing some of their issues, Israel is not going to have an ally in the United States.
And these people are going to be speaking.
matt walsh
What a shame.
So Israel want to have a problem.
michael hennessey
You're heartbroken by that one.
matt walsh
What about Israel?
elijah schaffer
Well, I'm just saying, like, the point is that they want us to support Israel.
It's like, you do realize all these decisions you're making are making just absolutely solidifying that we will not be.
The death of your support is going to happen in generations.
And then what are they doing in response?
My point is they're clamping down and being authoritarian.
It's like, hey, they're going to kill you.
matt walsh
Well, and that's all I'm saying.
It's especially hypocritical when the people who are clamping down are people like Jordan Peterson, who it's like, dude, you literally made your entire name by standing up to organizations like the ADL for free speech.
And now you're partnering with the ADL against free speech with the same young men who adored you.
They adored you.
These guys, like, it's not just wrong.
It's not just hypocritical.
It's an immense and profound betrayal.
Like these young men, it's like, why are you so emotional or why are you so angry?
Because someone they perceived as a father betrayed them.
That's how they feel.
They feel like dads.
michael hennessey
It's like the Star Wars meme, you know, you became what you set out to destroy.
You know, you switched right over to it.
matt walsh
How could you?
michael hennessey
Yeah.
matt walsh
How could you?
You were like a father and you betrayed.
And so, yeah, I mean, that is a recipe for everybody who's saying, yeah, I don't want things to be extreme and we need to dial it down.
Like, that's probably the worst way to dial it down and to ensure that, yeah, it's just the energy is pent up more and more and more and that eventually there's an explosion.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
Yep.
I think that you both said it right as far as that.
It's when you suppress all those feelings, when you suppress what, you know, just the truth, allowing them to speak freely and then actually be who they're supposed to be, it just makes it harder and harder.
And eventually you're going to have like a ticking time bomb because once you feel like you're just backed into the corner, like you say, there's no other way but to fight your way back out.
So it's better that we start to allow the steam valves to get off a little bit, let them out, and then, you know, acknowledge what's happening and make a change versus before we get to that point.
matt walsh
And for a lot of guys, that actually will, yeah, some guys are just extreme.
You know, some like the Joker, you know, some men just want to see the world burn.
That's true.
Right.
But, um, but for the most part, a lot of these guys are fairly reasonable and they just, they just want an acknowledgement.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
matt walsh
Like they're just like, can you just see me?
elijah schaffer
A seat at the table.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
matt walsh
Well, some of them don't even want a seat at the table.
joel webbon
They just want someone at the table to acknowledge their plight, to acknowledge that they actually had their futures taken away from them and that things are hard.
matt walsh
And someone to say, I'm, you know, I'm in your corner and I'm going to do my best.
joel webbon
And it's an uphill fight and it may take an entire generation, you know, and things aren't going to be changed in 15 minutes.
matt walsh
And a lot of these young guys would get that.
And they'd be like, okay.
michael hennessey
Yeah.
And you see smaller examples than that.
So for instance, when Trump was running, you know, it was the first time it was always called the silent majority.
And then we had somebody who can actually speak up.
So that's why people got really excited for Trump.
And then with Andrew Tate, we have so many people who are telling us that we can't be men, you know, don't man explain whatever they say and masculinity is wrong and try to take away, you know, what we're supposed to be as men, be strong men to create good times.
And what we're doing is we're creating weak men to create bad times.
So that's why we gravitate so much towards those people because of the fact that we're being suppressed of what we're feelings are and who we're supposed to be.
So you have that kind of explosion.
elijah schaffer
Check this out, though.
I want to kind of, we could talk about this stuff forever.
We'll have another show.
He'll be on tomorrow for our new show at 3 p.m. Eastern Time, just so you know.
Our show Rift Report is Monday, Wednesday, Fridays at 3.
And that'll be really great.
We're really excited for that.
But Andrew Torbus sort of, you know, said this.
They desperately want you to believe two demoralizing lies.
One, that you are isolated, that only a small handful of people notice that you, what you notice.
That's why, you know, Jordan Peterson said 4% of the population.
Two, that you must be insane or a psychopath for pointing out obvious patterns that are plainly visible to anyone willing to look.
The reality, however, is that the truth is prevailing and spreading quickly and in a significant way.
That's why week after week, they continue to roll out these blatantly transparent narrative control operations designed to wear you down and paint you in a negative light.
These are not the tactics of a confident opponent.
Hold fast to the truth and keep spreading the word.
These desperate pathetic antics only serve to wake more people up.
And I want to say that that's the positive end.
You know, I don't know if you're watching this at home and where you are.
And one of the things that I think a lot of people who make podcasts don't do well.
And I always see pastors do this unironically, is they always talk to pastors, you go, how did the, how did the service go?
And they go, four people got saved.
140 people showed up.
Two people were missing, but then they brought a family.
Like, hey, that is nothing about how the service went.
That's just like, you're just looking at numbers.
And what does it have to do with the quality of the service for how it honored God, number one, and worship God?
And number two, how it might have strengthened his church, right?
You didn't talk to me about that.
And numbers don't mean a strong church, you know?
Like, it's like a mega church with a very, very, very sick populace.
And I think with podcasters, they don't realize that, you know, this has become cathartic a little bit like church for a lot of us.
A lot of us have left church and we came to the podcasting world for our church.
It's really what it is.
We stopped hearing any truth.
So we just wanted some truth.
And that's why it's sad.
Like a lot of Christians watch this show and it is like such a degenerate show, really, really, truly.
And I'm such a piece of shit.
But at the same time, it's like we do talk about the truth and good things.
And I noticed in the audience here, a lot of you guys are, you know, we look at it as an audience, basically.
But one of the best advices that I was ever given was In a room, speak to the people in the room and don't act like anybody's watching you.
And when you're speaking to someone in their home, remember, you think you're speaking to an audience, but you're speaking to one person, right?
There's one, it's you and them.
So it's me and you, right?
Yeah, you.
I'm with you right now.
Um, that issue is that because there's one of you and there's only a few of us here, they want to make it seem like there's only four percent, right?
There's a few, but I want to flip the script on that and saying, actually look at the numbers and look at like this channel.
It's like when you see an episode, it's like the last episode's like nearly 100,000 people watched it.
That's this is a small channel of 50,000 subscribers in a small show.
Go to Candace's show and her episodes are getting one to 2 million views.
And they go, well, yeah, that's like 4% of the population.
It's like, no, go to the comments on their shows and see what people are saying.
The truth is, is that it's pretty evenly split right now.
It's not, I'm not saying we're winning massively and there's tons of us and we're great.
It's just the point is that we aren't, we were like maybe 20% and now we're like 50%.
About a 50% of people have probably woken up, but they still are about 50%.
So it's not like we have some great advantage and generationally, they're higher.
So we have a larger portion of young people, but they have a larger portion of the people with the wallets and the institutional power.
So they lie and manipulate and they want you to feel like you're just one person in your room that can't do anything.
And that, so you have to just cathartically listen to a podcast to get, you know, out what you're already thinking.
matt walsh
Well, what Jordan was saying, ironically, a lot of it comes from rules for radicals.
You know, like it's isolate, right?
Like silence, isolate.
Those are actually communist tactics of how to win an information battle of propaganda, like how to win a Cold War before it gets hot.
Isolate your opposition, make them feel completely alone, cut off means of communication, demoralize, propagandize, call them obscenities, you know, your radicals, you know, your psychopaths.
Nobody's with you.
Everybody thinks you're extreme.
That's actually like, that's like a communist playbook.
And kind of funny for a conservative to be behaving like a communist.
elijah schaffer
Let me read these quick super chats from you guys.
Joel Webbin, Pastor Joel Webbin, a fantastic guest.
Very, very happy.
If you liked him and his views, we'll go over where you can find him and follow him.
Just so you know, some of these, sometimes these guys are mean in our super chats, but I always say, if you want to pay to be mean, I'm okay with that.
matt walsh
Yeah, we'll take your money.
elijah schaffer
We'll take your money to be rude.
michael hennessey
You can talk about my transition.
It's fine.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
We're just mean to each other for free here.
So you cannot be a sensitive person and work here.
michael hennessey
No, you got to have fun.
elijah schaffer
You got to have fun with it too.
And we kiss after the show usually, so it's fun.
That's my favorite.
michael hennessey
As long as you rub me down with the van man with the brain.
He gets in the shoulders really well.
He has strong hands.
matt walsh
Just to confirm, you guys asked me earlier if you're gay.
Yes.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
unidentified
Let's go.
elijah schaffer
The thing is, is that's the point.
People say there's a lot of gay humor.
And I go, where's the joke?
matt walsh
To be fair, that makes you perfect for a MAGA conservative.
Yeah, actually, now you know why.
There's nothing more conservative in a MAGA Trump movement than being gay.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
michael hennessey
We're going to get a turning point job soon.
unidentified
Turning us up.
elijah schaffer
We're talking about a new organization called Turning On Point.
michael hennessey
Turning On Point.
Oh, we're stepping it up.
elijah schaffer
No, that's my favorite one.
People say, yeah, there's too much gay humor in the show.
It's like, humor?
unidentified
I just want to say, what show are you watching?
elijah schaffer
All right.
JM Denton said, Jewish joke.
All the real Jews were actually annihilated by Hadrian in 136 AD.
It's okay to make fun of them because none of them are around to complain.
I don't, what is this?
Evdea Delanda Est.
I don't know what that means, but thank you.
Survey, was that funny?
I don't know.
Yeah.
michael hennessey
Soul Explorer coaching.
elijah schaffer
Five bucks.
michael hennessey
Five bucks.
Okay.
It's okay.
elijah schaffer
Soul Explorer coaching says, I don't want to buy anything, but I want to make my money your money.
This here is everything I have.
Now I'm broke, and I'm very resentful about it.
How dare you?
I will exact my revenge for this.
Just so you know.
matt walsh
$1 super chat.
It's five bucks.
elijah schaffer
Thank you.
I'm sure this is going to be a very constructive super chat from someone named JQ Public.
Protestants are apostates.
Your heritage Americans are just heretics who destroyed the Holy Roman Empire for Jewish shekels.
Screw this pastor.
He has no apostolic succession.
matt walsh
Yeah, well, as a Protestant, we have about as much apostolic succession as Roman Catholics.
That is to say, none.
But I understand where he's coming from.
So for me, I think the Protestant Reformation was inevitable.
I think that the Enlightenment is kind of like just the other side of the coin.
The decentralization, I'm one of the few Protestants that will admit that it's highly problematic.
You think of the Dark Ages and part of the objectivity of Roman Catholicism, despite my theological disagreements, there was a beauty to the sense of you walk into this cathedral, you see these signs, these emblems, there's these rituals, these robes, this incense, there's absolution for sin.
There's this confession, there's this bread, this Eucharist, take, eat.
It is the body of Christ.
This is his blood.
And Protestantism, in many ways, things became symbolic.
And again, I am a Protestant, so I'm not going to keep going into that and say exactly what I believe.
I think people understand.
But there is Protestantism, a lot of what it did, sola scriptura, which I hold to, although I would probably articulate different than some guys.
But what it did was it brought things into the subjective and it did invite a lot of relativism, which again, like I said, I think it was inevitable.
I think that was coming through the Enlightenment, anyways.
Individualism, relativism, subjectivism, all these things.
And I think that the Reformation is actually the best of it.
So I think that these are things that were going to happen regardless.
And the Reformation is actually the best version of that.
But I will be the first to admit that in most cases, when it comes to Protestants, they have not, many of them have not held the line in the way that they should because there's not really a syndicate of accountability.
It's Pastor Fred, you know, with their, it's like, what's your confession?
What are the Baptist faith message?
When it was written, you know, in the third century, no, it was written, you know, in the year of our Lord 2000.
And that's, yeah, that can be a recipe for disaster.
But Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, it's, it's kind of, in some sense, it's pick your poison.
So Catholicism, as it goes, it goes slowly.
It has shown more resilience in some ways.
joel webbon
But once it goes, it's really hard to get back.
matt walsh
Whereas, you know, Baptist in particular, people in the pews actually could turn the tide.
So I think of like the SBC, Southern Baptists.
They're one of the, you know, it is the largest Protestant, you know, largest denomination, period, in America.
But they're one of the only large denominations that actually went liberal in their seminaries at the top levels.
And the people in the pews actually were able to bring it back from the brink of going leftist and make it conservative again.
And that's something that's very, very difficult to do with Catholicism, which is why, even as a Protestant, I'm praying.
I'm praying for the next Pope.
I'm praying that he wouldn't be a liberal, that he would hold strong on things like immigration.
Because once you lose that with Rome, it's not just affecting America.
It's affecting the entire globe.
And that's really hard to fix.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael hennessey
Not one that's going to get a couple busloads of transgenders to come eat dinner with them.
elijah schaffer
Honestly, it's true.
And I got to say this as somebody who's, you know, no matter what Christian I bring on here, someone will have a problem.
If I bring a Catholic on, Protestants get mad.
I bring Reformed on.
Someone gets mad.
What I've learned about this, and this is from the outside looking in, dude, Christians complain too much about each other.
It's just, that's true.
Just give it a rest.
You know, there's a lot more people are like me where we even know the church and all this stuff, but we're trying to find true transformation from Jesus.
And maybe our hearts are hardened.
We're a little bit jaded.
You know, like, you know, we got the whole scam demic, all that stuff.
You know, like, it's like at a point where I'm like, I'm like surviving, but not a bad way.
I'm like, I'm trying to protect my family and like, like, making a world where everyone's trying to destroy me.
And it's like, I don't give a shit about your stupid petty quarrels.
I want to go write a book like Martin Luther of the Jews and their lies.
unidentified
Okay.
elijah schaffer
I'm just kidding.
That's not where I'm going to go.
But I'm saying, like, just, can we just for a second ask people, have you found, have you found the love of God?
Have you, have you believed in God?
Have you found him?
And are you, are you finding transformation in your heart?
Because everyone just seems to be like, everyone just seems to be using Jesus as a grift, which is what they're trying to say.
Jordan Peterson and stuff are trying to say this.
It's a very simple statement.
A lot of people are using God as a grift because it's something to lean on and it's like an institution, but they're like, this is like, there's people appear to represent my name, but they deny the power therein.
God talks about that, meaning, but there's no internal transformation.
And sometimes maybe the way that you put off with it when you're saying Christ is king and stuff is that you're leaning on it like it's an institution, but you're not showing that God has ever really changed your heart.
And it's maybe giving a bad, a bad look to, especially to born-again believers or people who are Protestant with what they believe.
It's not a good representation of what we're trying to convey.
And obviously you could say, and the reason why we disagree is because we are probably non-denominational Protestants and many of you are Catholics and we have a different understanding of these statements and faith.
However, you're not even trying to help these people find Christ.
You're just trying to police for the Jews.
And I just want to say this.
JQ Public said, we had the Christian theocracy you are lauding.
It was the Austro-Hungarian Holy Roman Empire.
Your Heritage Americans destroyed it for the Jews.
Okay, I'm just tired of this.
We have one more for $10.
This is our last one.
And we have one in there.
matt walsh
To be fair, we had it here too.
Protestants did that here too.
But then we let a lot of Italians in who are Catholic.
Just saying.
elijah schaffer
That actually is true.
You used to not be able to hold office if you're Catholic, right?
In a lot of places?
matt walsh
That is correct.
And the Italians did not, they did not vode well for New York.
elijah schaffer
There was a lot of Italians.
All right.
Diego for Liberty said, DC will forever screw up foreign policy.
There's a bill out in 30 states that prohibits the National Guard from going to war unless Congress first declares it.
Check out the Defend the Guard Act.
That's actually really good.
Speaking of that, as well, we have one super chat here.
I don't know.
What was this?
michael hennessey
Well, it's the first one you want to go to.
Not that.
elijah schaffer
What is this?
I really.
michael hennessey
Mike actually went to Thailand and he wasn't in a car accident.
And I was able to get photos.
Mike, I am tired of your lies.
And there's the proof.
Which one's Mike?
I get confused.
I'm thinking he's in the middle.
And then he brought Joey with him.
And yeah.
michael mendoza
All right.
elijah schaffer
Well, first of all, that's our staff.
michael mendoza
First of all, I want to say this.
This is very clearly Photoshop because once I go to Thailand, I'll go for less than two weeks.
elijah schaffer
The correct statement is clearly Photoshopped because whenever I'm in Thailand, nobody knows I'm there.
And I have a rule.
No photos.
Okay.
We also had a picture turned in here on a super chat from the Mendoza report being a Pam Bondi giving the Mendoza report.
And then we have, I don't know.
michael hennessey
Is that Paul Bearer?
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
And St. J said, Jesus is the one, only king of the universe and this creator of all and the end of all.
Worship Jesus alone and give him all your glory.
It is what you were made to do.
It is right.
Christ is king.
And we will end on that.
That's a very, very nice super chat.
That's a very nice thing.
Good one.
Yeah, it's like find Jesus as well.
And then also his church.
Some people do the opposite.
I'm a little opposite.
And I'll just say the reason why I'm sort of drawn towards Orthodoxy and Catholicism is because I am a wild man and I'm not easily controlled.
And I don't, I lack structure and boundaries.
And sometimes I've been very, don't do well in the have it your own way Burger King Christianity that I was raised in.
And so it attracts me to be a part of historic liturgy and be a part of a church.
However, I'm never going to be worshiping Mary.
It just won't happen.
So sorry.
I'm not going to, I'm not buying that.
matt walsh
And to be fair, a ton of Catholics also don't worship Mary.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying, I go to like more of a Reformed Catholic Church right now.
matt walsh
That is the dogma, but like I always, you know, people are like, so what do you think about Catholics?
And it's like, well, Catholicism or Catholics, you know, because Catholics, the reality is most Catholics are bad Catholics, which make them really good Christians.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, and somebody also said, which was kind of weird, someone said, why did this video get so many thumbs down?
It got 23 thumbs down, not a lot.
And also, it's because these videos always do because we talk about a lot of controversial stuff.
Anyways, if people want to find you and follow you, Pastor Joel Webbin, how can they support you and keep up with your work?
You are a fantastic individual.
I've very much enjoyed having you on.
It's been a great night.
We could go longer.
And Mike Mendoza would tell me, let's go an extra hour.
And I was like, Mike, we got to shut this down.
You right?
You were like an extra hour?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael mendoza
Honestly, we could.
I mean, this is probably one of the best episodes since I mean for a long time.
I mean, they've all been pretty terrible recently, but this one's been really good.
matt walsh
So he's honest.
unidentified
Pastor, go ahead and tell us how we can follow your work.
matt walsh
Yeah, well, thank you guys for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
And had a good time.
Easiest thing to do is YouTube's our biggest channel.
I mean, it's not that big, but 120,000 followers.
So YouTube is where most people watch us.
So Write Response Ministries on YouTube.
And then, you know, X, I just started X a little while after Elon bought it.
And so I didn't really, I didn't understand Twitter.
It didn't make sense to me.
But then I was like, okay, I kind of get it now.
So I'm kind of behind the eight ball, but I really am trying to get more followers with that.
And all of our videos that we do on YouTube, we also post on X.
I know it's not the best platform for video, but those videos are on X. Plus, you get my, you know, little hot takes that get me in trouble with people like Hillary Crowder.
Yeah, sometimes at times.
elijah schaffer
Well, yeah, and we're going to bring that up tomorrow.
matt walsh
So the handle is at right response M because there wasn't enough characters to ministry.
So at right response M on X or Wright Response Ministries on YouTube.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, we're gonna be talking about it tomorrow at 3 p.m. Eastern Time.
So remember to tune in because it didn't fit in with the segment I had written down from that didn't fit in with anything we were doing.
So it just didn't fit in.
So we had to push that towards tomorrow.
His name is Snowflake.
His middle name is underscore and his last name's news.
God is God, man.
Tell us how many stars you are and where we can find you.
michael hennessey
Four out of five.
You can find me at Snowflake underscore news.
I'm on Instagram as well as X. I'd love for you to check it out.
I try to post breaking news, you know, not as good as the Mendoza report.
Obviously, it's a big shadow to be in.
But I'd love for you to check out the page.
Say, give me a follow and yeah, appreciate it.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
And then Mike Mendoza, honestly, you said people are following you.
I do believe that because obviously people know if you don't subscribe to his page, you can't get the Mendoza report updates and announcements at his website or his ex, right?
michael mendoza
Yeah, true, yeah.
And then just follow me there.
Let me give a little applause to myself there.
Follow me at Mike Mendoza with JPG.
Also, if anyone finds a hard drive in Thailand, let me know because that is the extra or that's the additional 200-part series on the Balfour Declaration that I'm looking forward to.
elijah schaffer
Do you know what's crazy?
Yeah, you know what's crazy is he's uh he's actually pairing up with the uh creators of Europa and he's making a extended series extended version of it.
I heard that's actually 65 parts instead of like 20, right?
Isn't that true?
michael mendoza
Yeah, yeah, and um I've also contracted what's the name, what's the what's the JQ guy's name who is super chatting tonight?
elijah schaffer
Uh JQ JQ Public.
michael mendoza
Yeah, um, uh, I've also contracted uh JQ Public to do most of the work on that uh for free for free, so I appreciate that that's dedication.
elijah schaffer
That's like that's what I want you know, that's gonna be like our tag here in like the office.
Like, I want you to put the amount of focus and work into here that an average Spurg on the internet puts into blaming the Jews, you know what I mean?
Like, I like I need that sort of like they'll find the Jews somewhere.
There's always a connection somewhere.
It's like that meme with the guy like making a connection.
unidentified
Yeah, Charlie from uh always guys, guys, guys.
elijah schaffer
All right, so the rest of you guys, thank you all so much again for watching.
Don't forget to sign up for a compound-censored membership at censored TV/slash offensive or use promo code offensive at censored TV promo code offensive again for 20% off.
You get this show, Anthony Kumia, you get uh Gavin McGinnis, and guess what?
Next week, even uh, Josh, I was gonna tell you that, uh, uh, Josh Denny, Josh Denny will be on the show on Tuesday, okay.
Um, and uh, and we might be having, might be having uh, I'm trying to get our guy on as well.
Um, I'm not gonna say his name, but trying to get Tony on, right?
The CEO there.
See if he'll come on.
Uh, and then Gavin McGinnis will be on the Riff Report on Wednesday next week as well.
And so, um, this time he won't be uh working with a Jew on the show to find out that they hate him.
I don't know if you saw it all in with that, he did a Jewish debate on the show with him and a Jewish guy against Nick Fuentes and uh yeah, but it was but I was laughing because uh he ended up turning on his own teammate because like because he was like defending Jews and then when the Jew was asked uh who would you rather wipe out Christians or Muslims, he quickly said Catholics.
matt walsh
Yeah, you told me you told me that like he was like, Jews aren't that bad, and this and that and another.
And he's like, You know, who would you wipe out?
He turned to the Jewish guy, would you wipe out Catholics or Muslims?
He was like, For sure, Catholics, yeah, yeah, and he was like, All right, I'm over this, I don't want to do this anymore.
elijah schaffer
And so he lost, like, the guy not only lost the debate, but he defected his own uh, his own teammate.
Like, then Shapiro called him.
He said, While he's on the show, he knocked that call.
He had like muted and got a concept.
He said they were mad saying, He like, basically, was like ruining.
He wasn't supposed to say that out loud.
Um, so he got the call on the show and got in trouble.
So, shut it down, and then he cried for like a month after every day.
I was like, I won that debate.
It was like, Bro, you lost your own teammate.
Like, you didn't just lose the debate, you lost the art of debate.
You've made you changed the format of the show to a gangbang.
It was three-on-one at that point.
matt walsh
That's like, you know, that's pretty rough.
elijah schaffer
That's pretty.
michael mendoza
That's not that's him on the phone there.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, look at him.
unidentified
Ben called him.
matt walsh
Seriously, that's what he said.
elijah schaffer
That's what he said.
He told, that's what he told me.
He goes, I don't really know what I said.
I got stuck on a compound interest loan application for an old lady that couldn't afford it.
And I just forgot what I was saying.
All right.
I'm done with this.
The rest of you guys have a great rest of the week, as always.
May God bless the United States of America.
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