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Feb. 2, 2024 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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WAR with IRAN is HERE.. WHAT’S NEXT? | Guest: Scott Horton and Clint Russell | CENSORED PREVIEW

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elijah schaffer
Well, it seems that everybody has lost their damn minds.
If you go to my screen here for a moment, you see that Republicans are even saying that World War III talk shouldn't deter strikes inside Iran.
I'm broadcasting live from the Gold Coast in Australia, and the government here is talking about conscription.
What we need to do to raise the number of recruits because of a potential battle with Iran and the proxies in North Korea, the UK, the Netherlands.
They're all on guard.
And of course, the U.S. is under attack in Jordan.
What the hell is going on?
Are we really up for a civil war, like Tim Poole says, every single week?
Or are we going for a greater conflict?
Maybe we're all just damn crazy and the world is about to fucking melt down in a nuclear holocaust.
I'm no expert on geopolitical issues, freedom, and the things going on in our world today, but I sure as hell know two gentlemen who are.
Scott Horton, the founder of antiwar.com, as well as outstanding author and radio show host, Scott, welcome back to Nightly Offensive.
scott horton
Thank you very much for having me.
Really appreciate it.
elijah schaffer
Thank you so much.
And of course, from Liberty Lockdown and regular co-host of Tim Cast, we have Clint Russell, also from the Tower Gang pod.
Welcome back to Nightly Offensive.
clint russell
Thanks for having me, Elijah.
Reporting for duty, prepared for World War III.
Let's go.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
elijah schaffer
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As we know, there's a few people that are offended in the world, but nobody is more offended than those who are orchestrating the wars and destroying our countries from the inside.
Let's go directly to Scott.
I want to talk about the hyperbole of this claim.
We are headed into World War III or the hyperbole.
We are headed into a civil war.
Is this all just absolute horseshit?
And this is a sort of clickbait hyper extremism from commentators?
Or is there a real potential for localized conflict and expanded conflict based on what you've seen today?
scott horton
Well, great question.
I mean, well, a couple of questions.
On the domestic civil war, no.
I mean, you could say quite correctly that we've got a lot of problems and a lot of seemingly irreconcilable differences.
And yet, any kind of violent conflict between any one or group of states and the national government or anything like that, I think is a long way off.
Although, I guess a lot could hinge on the way that this election shakes out.
If the Democrats succeed in, you know, through lawfare, just excluding Donald Trump from the ballot and depriving tens of millions of Americans from even having a chance to cast their vote for the guy that they clearly prefer, that could lead to some real problems.
And I know Greg Abbott has said, oh, yeah, well, I'll take Biden right off the ballot then.
And how do you like that?
And this and that.
So is it possible for stupider heads to prevail in a way like that?
unidentified
Yeah.
scott horton
I mean, and the establishment is very determined to prevent Trump from winning.
The secret police have cheated against him twice, the FBI counterintelligence division, especially, but in CIA2, to rig the election against him twice now, and the second time succeeding.
And so things could spiral out of control.
But I certainly am, I have much less of a bad feeling about that than I do war in the Middle East.
And I think even then I would agree that World War III is a hyperbole because, look, I mean, I'm just speculating, but I like to believe that Russia and China would not intervene overtly on Iran's side.
Maybe they give them some weapons like America has been doing in Ukraine, probably less than that.
It'd probably help Iran, but I don't think that they would get involved.
So even the worst case scenario, regional war against the Shiites in the Middle East, that would be Iran, Iraq, Syria, Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, and the Houthis in Yemen.
If we go to full-scale war against Iran and all of their best friends in the region, that still isn't World War III involving East Asia and, you know, Europe and God knows what.
You know what I mean?
And Iran does not have nuclear weapons, despite all the propaganda that you've heard your whole life that they're making nukes and they're about to get some.
That was just lies by the Israelis and somewhat by the Saudi lobby as well, but mostly the Israelis and their neoconservative friends in the United States who pushed that propaganda.
So they're, you know, and that's still worst case scenario.
I should say, like, what we know now, Elijah, is that what I believe anyway, I would say, is that the Ayatollah does not want to fight.
And even though Iran could really be, you know, wage a very costly war against the United States in the region if it came to real ass war with them, full-scale war, they also know good and well how bad America could hurt them and bomb their country, even short of deploying any nuclear weapons of any kind.
But we just bomb the hell out of them.
And the Ayatollah, he's a tyrant, whatever you want to call him, but he's a cautious man.
unidentified
He's not, he clearly does not want to fight.
scott horton
And he, I don't know exactly what signals he's sending to his allies in the region.
But this Shiite militia that America started bombing and is promising to retaliate against now, Khatib Hezbollah, who've been blamed for this recent attack, I think plausibly, they announced that, well, Iran wants us to back off, so we're backing off.
And I think that's probably true, that the Ayatollah is trying to rein them in a bit.
And so then Biden is saying, I'm sorry, I'll try to wrap this up.
Biden is saying, you know, to friendly media like NBC that what they're planning on basically is a week worth of strikes against Iran's proxies in the region, meaning the Houthis in Yemen.
And I don't know who they think they're going to bomb in Syria.
Maybe nobody.
It's some Shiite militias in Iraq, although not the Iraqi government that America installed there that's allied with them.
And they're considering even hitting some kind of Iranian naval capacity in the Gulf.
But then they want to say, okay, that's it.
Time out.
And don't make us hit you harder.
This is the game that Trump played four years ago.
Remember, he killed Soleimani.
And then the Ayatollah launched missiles at an empty corner of the al-Assad air base in Iraq.
And Americans got, but nobody was killed.
And then Trump let the Ayatollah get the last word and the whole thing kind of petered out, remember?
So that's what Biden is sort of announcing beforehand that he has in mind.
We know the Ayatollah doesn't want to fight and we don't really want to fight Iran.
So we're going to fight some of Iran's proxies and friends and stock puppets in the region.
And we're going to hit them real hard and hopefully make Tom Cotton feel good and shut up.
unidentified
And then they hope it'll go away.
scott horton
That's their plan.
And quite frankly, I think it's a plausible plan.
Because again, I think the Ayatollah does not want to fight.
But I would emphasize that it's also an incredibly risky plan.
And you don't know exactly what's going to happen.
If they do a major bombing campaign in Iraq, we're talking about against the Iraqi army's JI militia allies.
They're proxy, you know, they're they might as well be the Iraqi army that David Petraeus built over there under W. Bush.
So that would mean going to war against the guys that our government put in power, fought for in Iraq War II and in Iraq War III against ISIS as well.
So that could cost, for example, our guys up in Iraqi Kurdistan could be in trouble.
And, you know, things could spiral out of control, regardless of whether Biden wants to do a little old thing and regardless of whether the Ayatollah wants to draw his line and stay on the other side of it.
As, you know, sometimes, you know, especially when you're dealing with violent explosions killing people, things can get quite out of hand quite quickly.
And it's a hugely dangerous game we're playing where it's all for Israel, right?
There's no reason we're doing this at all.
We don't even have to be the only reason our guys are in Syria and right there in Jordan across the border there is for Israel.
Remember when Trump wanted to leave, they said, no, you're betraying Israel.
Yeah, they talked about the Kurds, but that was a smokescreen.
They also said, you're betraying the Israelis.
We have to stay there for Israel, which was, and they meant that.
That was what it was really about.
elijah schaffer
Right.
And, you know, Scott, I think that's such a great introduction and to make sure that we're all on the same page here.
We have Clint Russell again from Liberty Lockdown.
Scott has mentioned quite a bit of, if you're just joining today, you're watching on censor TV or Rumble.
He was mentioning how he doesn't know if we're for a localized civil conflict or even necessarily World War III, but definitely there will be increased fighting or at least increased attacks from the U.S. in retaliation to the proxies in the region.
And I think that it's really important, though, Clint, because I want to get your opening statement on this topic, where you stand on whether World War III is here or whether we're just entering into another version of a cold war, right?
Where we're just continuing to fight these proxies with these big, bad enemies.
I mean, we have to be clear here.
We are not talking about, you know, just hyperbolic insanity.
Our congressmen, our senators, they are talking about striking Iran, talking about retaliating.
We have a candidate who doesn't have a chance of winning, Nikki Haley, who really wants her stocks bumped up in Raytheon and Boeing, and she cannot go to sleep until Zionist goals are executed in the Middle East.
So again, this is not just me on a show trying to get clicks.
I want to know, Clint, what is your personal opinion in relation to what Scott was saying?
Is the war here?
We decided to declare strikes on Iran, their proxies.
Is this going to escalate?
Are they going to get the battle that they've been raging for for years now?
The floor is yours.
clint russell
Well, I'll start by saying that it's quite evident, you know, if you just listen to Wesley Clark in 2003 talking about the seven nations that they want to topple in five years, Iran being the final one.
They've wanted to go to war with Iran for a very long time.
I think that from a more pragmatic analysis, they realize that it's not easy.
And I don't think that they really want to do it.
I think that they realize our financial situation is too tenuous and it would ultimately create most likely a hyperinflationary period in America because so many of the nations all across the world are already divesting themselves of the U.S. dollar.
And that would only expedite the process once they stole a couple hundred billion dollars from the Russian central bank that really started like lit the BRICS alliance on fire.
And they've now been expanding very rapidly and trying to divest the dollar.
So I don't think that the you there, I think there's factions, as there always is, you know, those that are most aligned with APAC that very much do want to do the bidding of the Israeli government and topple Tehran.
But I think most of our political class does not want to.
Otherwise, it probably already would have happened.
What I found interesting was that Kim.com, who sometimes reports nonsense and other times he nails things.
Like, for instance, he got the Nord Stream pipeline right pretty early on.
He was reporting that there was back channel communications between the Biden administration and the Iranians, where they were saying, we're going to do limited strikes.
And we just want to let you guys know.
And once we do that, we have to save face.
You killed three of our guys, but once we do that, you can't respond.
And then we can let this simmer down a little bit.
And the Iranians allegedly told them to shove it up their ass.
So while I agree with Scott that the Iranians have not demonstrated that they really want to go to war with us either, it does seem as if they are identifying weakness in what I kind of envisioned to be the American Empire, which is now a bit of a paper tiger.
And they're kind of testing them, just as the Russians tested the American Empire when they invaded Ukraine, just as the Chinese may test the American Empire when it comes to Taiwan.
Who knows if that'll transpire?
But there are, because there's so many different venues and so many areas of defense necessity for the American hegemonic domination of all global trade and the global economy, I think that these other competitor nations are identifying that we're overextended, that we can't possibly defend all of them.
So if they just continue to kind of poke and prod, maybe we'll just retreat.
And I think that that's what you've seen with these attacks from these allegedly Iranian-backed organizations all throughout the Middle East is that like these people are genuinely fucking pissed off about our support of Israel in the demolition of Gaza.
And I don't really blame them.
So I would like to see us withdraw as to whether or not we are in World War III.
You're only going to know in hindsight.
I mean, that's the truth, because there has already been enough actions taken by different counterparts in this that in hindsight, we could absolutely look back and go like, well, yeah, you know, all of a sudden, Syria or some other significant military power in the Middle East decides to enter the war against Israel.
They stop with these little pot shots from, you know, Hezbollah or the Houthis, and it really escalates.
And then Israel fires a nuke and then it's on.
So, sorry, camera.
So I don't think it's going to go that route.
Obviously, I have to kind of pray that it doesn't go that route, but I can't say definitively that these dominoes aren't kind of set to tip.
unidentified
Right.
elijah schaffer
And so I want to jump into this.
So we have a map here.
Scott had shared this with me, and I'm not entirely sure what it was shared for, but let's go ahead and get Scott up on the screen.
Scott, you sent me this map.
This is a map of the current Middle East.
This is a map, if you're just listening on audio only, you see Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia.
It is basically the entire geographic critical zone that we're referring to.
Why did you send this map over to me?
And what was the takeaway here?
scott horton
Yeah.
So, and for your video audience, it'll be more helpful, but basically we have Iran, Iraq, Syria, southern Lebanon, and most of Yemen, at least where all the people live in Yemen, in darker green.
And we have Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi, Bahrain, UAE, Qatar.
Those are all In lighter green.
And the point being, these are basically the various power alliances in the region.
The light green are America's allies.
This is the American-dominated order is the GCC, the Gulf Cooperation Council, meaning essentially the Arab monarchies, right?
Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Bahrain, UAE, etc.
And then the primary worry and really the centerpiece of our foreign policy this whole time is that dark green area, which is Tehran, you know, Iran, now Baghdad, because of W. Bush's war, where Iraq had been ruled by secular Sunni Saddam.
And then America put Iraq on Iran's side of the ledger, which they wish they hadn't, although they'll never take responsibility for it being their fault.
And Syria is run by a group called the Alawites who are very close to the Shiites.
It's a secular dictatorship, but they're allied with the Shiites.
And most importantly, they're allied with Iran.
And then there's Little Biddy, if you see there in the dark green, Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.
And they're basically Iran's 51st state there, this very powerful Shiite militia that rules sort of a sub-state group and is one of the major coalition partners in the Lebanese government there.
And then you have now the Houthis, who ever since 2000, very end of 14, beginning of 15, have ruled Yemen.
So this is America and Israel's problem.
This is the chip on America and Israel's shoulder, is this Iranian axis of power.
And especially ever since America, at Israel's request and behest, waged Iraq War II and put Iraq in Iran's column.
Now what you see there is this unbroken line, right?
What they call the land bridge, meaning there's a highway, a road, literally, or a series of highways from Tehran all the way to Beirut.
And it used to be that secular Sunni Saddam stood in the way there.
Now America has made it where Iran and their Shiite friends are more powerful than ever in the region.
And this is why, if you go back 10 years, Elijah, you and your friends were probably wondering, why is Barack Obama backing al-Qaeda suicide bomber, head chopper lunatics in Syria?
And even leading to the rise of the caliphate, which then they had to go to war to blow up again in Iraq War III.
Well, the answer to that was because they were trying to make up for Iraq War II.
They had given Iraq to Iran's best friends.
They put Iran up two pegs in Baghdad.
Now they're trying to take them down a peg in Damascus, which actually backfired.
It didn't work because Syria asked Hezbollah in Lebanon and asked Iran to send their Quds force and whatever to come and help them and along with the Russians.
And they did.
They came and saved Assad and that war of regime change failed there.
So now this is where our guys got killed.
If you put that map up there real quick, if you look at that funny border where Syria, Iraq, and Jordan come together, that's where there is this base called Al-Tamf, which is where the Americans were killed.
They're just barely on the Jordanian side of the border, what they call Post-22 or Tower 22, which, but still, it's all basically one complex there.
And the reason they're there, again, is because to block this so-called land bridge from Iran to Hezbollah, when in fact, that was the whole reason for Iraq War II in the first place.
And in fact, going back, if you've ever heard of the clean break strategy that the neoconservatives came up with, the whole point was to try to weaken Iran and weaken Hezbollah so that Israel could finish screwing over the Palestinians.
Look at our situation, their situation right now.
They're at war with the Palestinians.
And yet, as you mentioned, they're worried about Hezbollah on their northern flank.
Or as Clint mentioned, that could turn into a real war with Hezbollah in Lebanon at any time.
Well, in the clean break plan, the whole thing was on this convoluted scheme.
We're going to get rid of Saddam and Iraq, and that is going to neutralize Hezbollah in Lebanon so that we can screw the Palestinians without having to worry about our northern flank.
And that way, instead of trading land for peace, we'll just have peace through strength, meaning domination, the Netanyahu doctrine, and get away with it.
So, in other words, sorry for the long story long here, but the point being that America's entire policy this last 20 years since W. Bush has been to serve Israel's interests by trying to weaken Iran and their friends, and yet they keep empowering them over and over again, which goes to show why they're so frustrated and pissed off now.
And you could see how there's at least some pressure from Israel and in some quarters in the United States to go ahead and get it on now.
They've dug us so deep into this pit.
We might as well bomb Tehran.
We might as well go full scale against Hezbollah.
We might as well go full-scale bombing campaign against the Shiite militias of Iraq and try to erase the results of the last 20 years of failure over there.
elijah schaffer
Well, let me ask you, Clint, I kind of want to bring us up all here full screen on this.
You know, we know that this is something that there are certain people who want.
They want a large-scale conflict.
And I'm really getting down to the nitty-gritty on this show.
I mean, I am talking to women who have understanding about women on why they are the way they are, talking to black people about what is going on with black people.
And I am talking to experts on the Middle East to find out what the hell is going on here.
I want real honesty.
And I know you've got it.
And I know that you're not afraid of it.
Is this really Jewish interests?
Is this a Jewish war?
Is this, I should say, because not all Jews are Zionists and not all Jews are political, but is this a Zionist pipe dream?
Or is there some benefit that I'm not picking up as an American with a son who in a long-scale war would likely be drafted?
Is there something I'm not picking up that this consistent tension with the Putin regime, with the Kim Jong-un regime, with the Ayatollah regime?
That there's some tension that if we destroyed them, the Biden regime and all of Americans would benefit because I feel like I'm losing my fucking mind because I don't find anything.
No matter how hard I look.
And I know you're laughing, but it's like, damn it.
clint russell
No, what the hell is this?
I sympathize to feeling like you're losing your mind.
I mean, I think there's really two forces that drive our geopolitical strategy.
And it is one, like the Middle East conquest is largely about Israel, Zionism, Israel, whatever you want to call it.
So I think that's been the reason that it's been the target.
But there's the underlying force or the financial force from within the United States is the military-industrial complex.
And I think that there's a lot of financial imperative and a lot of lobbying that goes on to try and keep a low-level conflict going as many places as possible all the time.
And I think that's like those two forces combine mean that you're basically in eternal wars with no end in sight.
And it's devastating because our financial situation domestically is so out of hand at this point.
I mean, $34 trillion in debt.
We've racked $3 trillion over the past year.
The interest on our debt alone will be 150% of our national defense for the next 12 months.
And our national defense is bigger than the 10 largest militaries on earth combined.
So just the interest on our debt alone is that significant.
So I really believe that the American economy and the American government based off of the debt that they're carrying is facing kind of a death spiral.
Like you can't get out of this.
Unless you're going to go into incredible fiscal constraints, you're going to ultimately end up with hyperinflation or you have to hike interest rates to oblivion and create a deflationary spiral.
And it doesn't seem like it seems as if they're trying to walk that razor's edge.
And I just don't think it's possible.
Everyone's saying Israel in the chat and I appreciate that.
elijah schaffer
Right.
Well, they are.
clint russell
I mean, that's the reason that we've been so antagonistic with Iran for decades.
To me, it's quite clear, but if Scott disagrees, I'd love to hear it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
elijah schaffer
Let's go to Scott on that question.
I just want to add a little caveat to explain this because I really want to clarify, you know, the intensity of my curiosity in that, look, I don't want Scott Adams to be right about black people and black neighborhoods.
I want us all to get along.
I want Kamala Harris to be correct.
I want us all to be equal.
And I just wish that we could live in this utopia.
And unfortunately, my understanding is, is like, if Scott Adams is right, how do we change that?
Because that's not a great way to accept living.
It's not a great way to accept to clarify that like black and white people don't get along well.
They don't integrate well together.
And we do live in the same country.
So if there is some sort of a solution, I definitely know Kamala Harris ignoring the problems and blaming white people isn't it.
So when it comes to the Zionist thing, look, I know a lot of people like to rag on Jews and Jews and Jews.
There are many good Jews out there.
And I know people love to rag and rag and rag and blame the Jews for literally everything.
And if that's true, then okay, I'll accept it.
And I'm fine.
But I want to know with this topic, let's be here.
Let's go with geopolitics.
Scott, how much of this really is Zionist?
How much of this is AIPAC?
How much of this really is that?
Or how much of it is really just a Gali called the Galactic Empire of the United States, hungry for blood, hungry for lust, dead set on keeping the petrodollar strong and whatever X, Y, and Z other variables you want to add.
Who's really at blame here?
What's really going on?
Who's behind the mask when the Scooby-Doo gang rips it off at the end of the episode?
unidentified
Yeah.
scott horton
Well, look, it is a massive conspiracy of interests.
A trillion dollars a year is, you know, the defense budget straight up.
And of course, for the Israeli government, just as well for the English government or the rest of them, I guess, you know, their relationship with the United States is of their absolute highest concern.
And especially from Israel's point of view, England can take care of themselves, basically, but the Israelis need us.
And so they spend an inordinate amount of energy and pressure and lobbying and money and breaking the law too, spying and what have you, espionage in order to have their way in this country.
I think, look, anyone who's an adult at all has got to be able to differentiate between which Jews anyone is talking about in any particular circumstance.
I mean, unless you're some kind of communist or something, or unless you're talking about a historical time and place, there's no such thing as the Jews.
And there are millions and millions of American Jews.
Most of them aren't political at all.
The ones who are political, I think like a third of American Jews don't even care or know about Israel at all.
They have no interest in it at all.
When it came to the Iraq war, they were better than the rest of the population.
If you break people up into ethno-religious groups and survey them, they were more and first against the war, maybe just because they're by and large liberal Democrats and didn't believe in W. Bush, but still, while at the same time, it was some, yes, very influential Jewish neoconservatives and some Catholic ones as well, and including one Muslim neocon, Salme Khalilzah, but was a group.
It is a predominantly Jewish group because that's kind of the origin of where the neocons come from, has a lot to do with that and a lot to do with Israel in the first place.
But it's essentially an Israeli talking point that all Jews have anything to do with Israel and Israel is the representative of all Jews and that, you know, any Jew anywhere in the world is really part of the Israeli diaspora or something like that.
Like they're all from there and left or whatever, which is just nonsense and is certainly not true of American Jews who consider themselves Americans, not Israelis.
And the whole thing is a bunch of crap, basically.
And then a bunch of people who don't like Jews also like that narrative.
So they can go ahead and paint with a broad brush or that kind of thing.
But and as you, if you live on Twitter as I do, you see that whenever anyone makes a substantive criticism of Israel, one jackass says, yeah, the Jews.
And another jackass says, you just hate Jews.
And then the whole conversation goes off the rails.
It might as well be sabotage.
All those anti-Semites might as well be, you know, is pro-Israeli trolls just trying to turn the thing stupid.
When the reality is, like in your question, there is an extraordinarily powerful Israeli lobby in America, not just APAC, but an entire grip of think tanks.
And coinciding with what our friend Clint said, bankrolled by the military industrial complex.
So you have the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and the Center for a New American Security and the Center for Security Policy and the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and the Committee on the Present Danger and a whole desk drawer full of think tanks over at Bill Crystal's office, you know, all financed by Lockheed and Northrop Grumman and the rest.
AEI and heritage pre-existed this movement, but were taken over by the neocons.
I don't know.
I heard there's a good guy in charge of heritage now.
I don't know, but AEI, certainly 20 years ago, the American Enterprise Institute was a huge part of the neocon push to get us into Iraq War II, as well as the National Review and the Weekly Standard magazines and that whole push.
In fact, if you look at my Twitter feed slash Scott Horton show, I have a thread there of 28 articles about how the neoconservatives lied us into war with Iraq.
And that's not to say that W. Bush was a neoconservative or Israel firster.
He wasn't.
He was himself firster.
And Cheney and Rumsfeld and the others, they all had their own interests in doing what they did.
But it is, I think, an incontrovertible fact that the war could have never happened without the neocons and that they were really the bulk of the push that got it done and that war started.
And for that matter, in hectoring Obama to keep being worse and worse in Syria all the time and the rest.
So that is a huge part of it.
Absolutely.
But you also notice, you know, Anthony Blinken gave that speech where he's like, hey, you know, pork barrel politics, everybody.
Don't you want that military industrial complex money?
Because that's how they divvy up.
They make sure that every district in America, all 435 districts, get a paycheck from the military industrial complex for making one widget or another in order to stay on the dole, keep everybody good and compromise.
And all that precedes, you know, Zionist influence in DC or and whatever and exists alongside it and is not necessarily just subject to it.
You know, I was trying to give as much credence to the one part of the argument that I was also like arguing against too, because I think when people overstate that, it's not helpful.
clint russell
Can I piggyback off that real quick?
unidentified
Go ahead.
clint russell
Yeah, I mean, it's also been the Green Blatts and the ADLs of the world and the IDFs of the world, the Netanyahu's of the world that have tried to intertwine quite intentionally anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, saying so overtly that to be anti-Zionist is to be an anti-Semite.
But there are many Jews who are not Zionists.
So are these Jewish people anti-Semitic?
I mean, the answer is obviously no.
And let me give you additional examples.
The Southern Poverty Law Center listed myself, the Mises Caucus, Dave Smith, and the new guard of the Libertarian Party as alt-right extremists.
Dave Smith's a Jew.
You have Chaya Reich, the Libs of TikTok lady, who I just did a show with Luke Rudkowski last night on the best political show.
She was listed by the ADL as a potential domestic terrorist alongside Hamas.
And she's an open Jewish lady.
So this is not about Jewishness, as far as I can tell.
This is about a control structure from, yes, they are Jewish, but it's the Zionist element, the hardline Zionist element within Israel.
And if you're unwilling to delineate, then I think you're playing into their trap.
It makes it so that anybody that has any concerns or criticism of Israeli policy or Israeli influence in American politics can then be painted with the broad brush of being an anti-Semite, being a Holocaust denier, whatever, whatever, whatever, right?
So I think that it's actually a huge mistake to collectivize and go down that path as opposed to viewing this based off of who is responsible for what.
They actually have names.
This is not just a monolithic religious movement.
It's just not reality.
So I don't think it does us justice to go that route.
elijah schaffer
Right.
And I think what it is, we're going to go into some more questions here that we're going to get into the nitty-gritty.
I'm really past the point of bullshit.
Okay.
I'm just past the point of your fucking retarded stupidity as politicians, as the people who follow them and the same consumers of media who equate numbers and ratings to truth.
So I just don't believe anymore that anybody telling the truth is monetized on YouTube to an extent that is real, or at least if they haven't been banned on any major platform or haven't been censored to some extent.
And that doesn't count getting a demonetized video here and there.
I'm talking about this.
They're not truth tellers.
They're just gatekeepers.
Not all of them are bad people.
It's a good business model, but that's what it is as a business.
And I don't want to be in charge of the business.
You can make a lot of money through usury too, and some people do it, but it's still evil.
So we're going to be talking a little bit about this established war that nobody wants and who wants it and why they want it.
We're going to talk about the repercussions that all this will have on the U.S. and its foreign policy.
And also talk about the declining empire.
Are we in control?
Or are our enemies like the Zionists really pulling the strings of our nation?
It's absolutely interesting, especially when we look at who's controlling these people.
I'm going to be talking a little bit to Scott Orton and Clint Russell.
We're going to continue this conversation on censored TV.
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