Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer - Is This What the DEATH of AMERICA Looks Like? | Guest: Pastor Mark Driscoll

July 20, 2022 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer

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Is This What the DEATH of AMERICA Looks Like? | Guest: Pastor Mark Driscoll | Ep 271

We sit down with Pastor Mark Driscoll and discuss the rise of crime and the glorification of degeneracy. Is this really progress? No. If we want to move forward, we have to go back, back to God and traditional Western values. ________________________________________________________________ ⇩ TODAY'S SPONSORS ⇩ PublicSq: Download the first freedom-loving app PublicSq. from the Apple App Store or Google Play, create an account, and begin your search. You can also list your business for free, so your local community can support you. Download the app today. PublicSq.Show more ReliefBand: if you go to Reliefband.com and use promo code OFFENSIVE you’ll receive 20% off plus free shipping and a no questions asked 30-day money back guarantee. Remember, it’s better to have a Reliefband and not need it, then to need it and not have it! So head to https://www.reliefband.com/ and use my promo code OFFENSIVE for 20% off plus free shipping. Bank on Yourself: You can get a FREE report with all the details of how adding Bank On Yourself to your financial plan can help you take back control of your money. Just go to BankOnYourself.com/OFFENSIVE. https://www.bankonyourself.com/offensive BullionMax: Get BullionMax’s Silver Starter Kit at EMPLOYEE PRICING! Just go to Bullion Max dot com slash OFFENSIVE. This kit includes five of the most desirable silver products to invest in... including a silver American Eagle and a silver Australian Kangaroo. This offer is limited to just ONE per household, so get yours NOW! Go to https://bullionmax.com/offensive ________________________________________________________________ Follow Our Guest: Mark Driscoll Twitter: Instagram: YouTube: Check out my interview with Pastor Mark Driscoll: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XInJi4zxFI0 ________________________________________________________________ Become a subscriber at BlazeTV https://get.blazetv.com/slightly-offensive/ use my code "ELIJAH" to get $10 off a full year ________________________________________________________________ Slightly Offens*ve Merch: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/elijah-schaffer ________________________________________________________________ DOWNLOAD AUDIO PODCAST & GIVE A 5 STAR RATING!: APPLE: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/slightly-offens-ve-uncut/id1450057169 SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/7jbVobnHs7q8pSRCtPmC41?si=qnIgUqbySSGdJEngV-P5Bg (also available Google Podcasts & wherever else podcasts are streamed) ______________________________________________________________ ➤BOOKINGS/INQUIRIES: [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ ⇩ SOCIAL MEDIA ⇩ ➤ INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/slightlyoffensive.tv ➤ TWITTER: https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer ➤ FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/officialslightlyoffensive _________________________________________________________________ The Idea Of A Free Society...For Kids! Head to https://teachrealprinciples.com for a unique book series that introduces the important ideas that schools no longer teach. Show less

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	The good news is, is a young man has an opportunity to reinvent himself and his future.
	And so what happens when you're a little boy, everybody makes all your decisions and takes care of all your needs.
	As you grow into, you know, a boy, not just a little boy, but a boy, your parents, others take care of some things, but you take care of some things.
	They provide some things.
	You provide some things.
	Then you become a young man and you're fully, solely, totally responsible for yourself.
	You make your own decisions.
	You make your own money.
	You're not a grown man until you're taking care of somebody else.
	And there's a whole generation that are not grown men.
	I call them boys who can shave.
	They expect the government to take care of them.
	They expect their girlfriend to pay the bills.
	They expect their mother to pick up their mess.
	At the end of the day, you're not a grown man until not only are you responsible for yourself, but you're responsible for others.
	And we've created an entire culture that says that that is patriarchal.
	It's chauvinistic.
	It's misogynistic.
	It's toxic and it's evil.
	But if you are a man, as soon as I say that, something in you made by God springs to life and says, that sounds right.
	It rings true.
	Welcome back to Slightly Offensive.
	You guys know this is the best, worst show on Blaze TV, but we're not in a broom closet today, so we're a little bit better than normal.
	You know, it's been on my heart to do some episodes that are a little bit deeper, a little more fundamentally based in helping us become better people or try to understand the world, not just make fun of TikToks or laugh, but have a real discussion.
	And I really enjoyed my talk with Andrew Clavin.
	And today I have an amazing thinker, spiritual leader.
	I mean, he's done so many things.
	The list goes on, but somebody who's just been to war, gone through so many battles in every situation, yet raised a wonderful family, is an example to a lot of people.
	And I hope is down to have a slightly offensive conversation.
	Pastor Mark Driscoll, welcome back to, or welcome to the show, I should say, for the first time.
	Glad to be with you, buddy.
	Yeah, so let's talk about this.
	So who are you?
	I mean, like, what is it that you do?
	And why is it that we'd be having this conversation?
	I don't know.
	So I'm a pastor, a Bible teacher.
	I've been basically preaching through books of the Bible for 26 years.
	So I got saved at 19, reading a Bible that my high school sweetheart gave me, and then married her at 21, graduated at 22, senior pastor at 25.
	We're going to celebrate 30 years faithful marriage in August.
	She's the best.
	And we've got five kids, three boys, two girls, two married, two college, one high school.
	And we're in Scottsdale, Arizona.
	We planted a church here almost six years ago.
	And that's me.
	So I've been teaching the Bible and getting in trouble for a couple of decades.
	Yeah, well, definitely.
	I mean, okay, here's the point.
	You cannot become anybody and you can't do anything in the world without making enemies.
	Like even if you don't mess up, and I think you guys should check out the podcast we did together for his show.
	I'll put a link in the description if it's out.
	If it's not out, then I'll tell you when it is.
	But I do want to say something is that, you know, people out there realize that like Donald Trump, I mean, Donald Trump, I think was one of the best presidents that we've had in recent history.
	But the man didn't become a billionaire.
	He didn't become a president without making some serious enemies.
	And we saw that.
	I mean, from the entire establishment of the mainstream media to the entire Democratic Party and what it seemed like every woke person in every major city, they literally burned, they allowed the country to be burned to the ground just to spite Donald Trump.
	Like, I mean, I believe they even invited the pandemic and measures in place just so they could get him out of office.
	I mean, you've watched them royally screw up people's lives because they hated somebody so much, but he was so successful and so effective.
	And it's those people that I feel like are the ones that know the most, the ones that have actually fought the fight, the ones that have had the combat, right?
	You don't hear about the line cook in the military to talk to him about what war is.
	You talk to the one who was in the trench, who had the hand-to-hand combat, who knows what it's like to take a life and to spare a life, because those are the people who have made the decisions and had to live in the experience to know what to do.
	And we're living in some turbulent times.
	I mean, I'm going to tell you this.
	I'm genuinely nervous for the world, for the country.
	And I want to talk to you about some of these things of what's going on, because this was predicted in the Bible.
	This was going to be a very, very difficult end times as the ages persisted.
	It was going to become crazy as we went to a global order.
	But I want to ask you, do you think we're in the end times?
	Do you think this is what the Bible is predicting?
	Or is this the growing pains?
	Like, where do you feel like we're at?
	Yeah, this is where the prophecy guys all kick in.
	And part of it for me, just to back up a little bit.
	So I started preaching and then something called the internet came into existence.
	And so I was at ground zero.
	Like we were one of the first, you know, I was one of the first pastors to have a website, one of the first pastors to give away sermons for free online.
	So like the amount of information on planet Earth, it's doubling every year.
	But it's really in my lifetime.
	I mean, I went to the Edward R. Murrow School of Communication.
	I have a bachelor's in speech, a master's in theology.
	I got a degree in communication before the internet.
	That doesn't really make any sense.
	It's like it's like people, yeah, getting a photography degree before digital cameras came out.
	It's like, there's not much help there.
	Yeah, but it's just that's so the world that you were born into and that you now do your work in is a brand new world.
	And the order is being created and the rules are being written.
	And it's this massive social experiment that no one knows what the outcome will be, but all indicators are.
	It's not good.
	I mean, but for the average person that, you know, is listening, all they know is a world that didn't exist when I started being a pastor, which isn't that long ago.
	And so what you have now, I was talking to Rick Warren some years ago, and he said that information is instant, constant, global, and permanent.
	And instant, it used to be, you know, you would have to go do the research, write the article, you'd have to submit it, and then it would need to be put in the newspaper.
	They'd need to kill some trees and print it.
	This is the world I grew up in.
	And then if you didn't like it, you'd write a letter to the editor and they got a thousand of them.
	So they'd pick one and put it in the paper.
	And if, and if it was negative, eventually people throw the paper away and it's over.
	So it's instant.
	It's constant, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
	And so everyone's living under this constant low-level stress and anxiety.
	Global, the whole universe is invited into whatever is happening and it's permanent.
	It's like it's like a bad tattoo after a weekend bender in Vegas.
	Once you get it, you got to live with it.
	And so this is a new reality that is accelerating sin, the curse, the fall, and the destruction of humanity.
	I mean, we're not evolving.
	Anybody who still believes in evolution, I think, is adorable.
	I mean, we may make progress in culture, but we don't make progress in morality, civility, or reasonableness.
	I mean, the world is in the process of self-destructing.
	And the Bible tells us that's what's going to happen, that it's going to self-destruct and God's going to bring a new world because this one has an expiration date.
	And if you're a Christian, you look at it and you go, yeah, it kind of looks like that's where we're going.
	We're always complaining about companies hating us.
	And they do.
	Corporations literally screw us over.
	Now, Americans are discovering that if we want to change this nation, we have to actually change the way the marketplace works.
	I agree.
	Corporations are seeking to fight us.
	Big banks are freezing the accounts of people who disagree with their political views.
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	Let's keep going on the interview.
	But you don't even have to be a Christian.
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	And share this with friends, share this with family, because what you said there is so important.
	And this is where I think a lot of people are becoming awakened, enlightened to sort of a spiritism.
	And this is not a new age claim.
	I just mean things are getting so bad, they're getting biblical again.
	So people are going, and I've seen this to so many people that just two years ago, three years ago, I mean, whether it's like the guy who made Uncle Tom the documentary, whether it's my friend Fleckas, or people who were like years ago, just kind of aimless, just living in the world, are going, huh, well, the Bible keeps, I don't really want to follow God and I don't want to, but I keep seeing all the things that said were going to happen are happening.
	And it looks like it keeps being accurate.
	It's almost like it's prophetic or like we're seeing the way it says, here's how people are going to act in the last days and they're going to hate, they're going to be haters of God, scoffers of God.
	They're going to hate each other.
	They're going to have no shame.
	And we've removed the shame from our culture.
	We've broken everything down to where in New York, I mean, the owner of the bodega, right?
	I mean, he was attacked.
	There's an immigrant, a man who was literally attacked, physically assaulted in his shop.
	And we know violence is so high in the large cities.
	I mean, up 400, 500%, some of the major cities.
	We're going back to 70s-level homicides.
	He gets arrested on $200 and something thousand dollars bail for defending himself against somebody where self-defense, doing what's right.
	Again, that was the indicator of the end times: good is evil and evil is good.
	And when you start realizing, huh, why is it like this?
	That's because this is the culmination of when we abandon God and when we allow the new world order, the groups of think, the idea of what we want to come in, and we replace holiness and righteousness and of God with these man-made ideas.
	And so, yeah, you wonder why it's so confusing.
	It's because it's intentionally that way.
	And I want to talk to you about some of my fears.
	I have this, I have this video that is really kind of shocking and kind of crazy that comes from Malibu.
	I mean, you've been to Malibu?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's been a while.
	It was a nicer place, but I want to show you this.
	So right here, this was at a high-end store in Malibu.
	And this is a new thing going on in our country called a smash and grab.
	Sure.
	It's a new form of, like, I don't know.
	It's like looting.
	It's like anime looting.
	It's like kind of cool.
	It's got its own name.
	But, you know, we're seeing, like, for instance, in places like Beverly Hills, Malibu, the most expensive places you can live in the entire country, let alone pretty much the entire world, where crime, the separation of poverty and crime and these things, you can't escape it anymore.
	It's like a world where you can't separate your world.
	You can't get politics.
	You can watch football and football is gay now.
	I don't know if you knew that.
	It's trans.
	It's gay.
	Say football is gay.
	The NFL has a rainbow flag.
	We are gay.
	They are in tights.
	It's true.
	Yeah, it's men in stretchy pants, to quote nacho Libra.
	Men in stretchy pants out like balls.
	It's true.
	There's that.
	That is pretty gay.
	But I'm saying, like, there's this lack of being able to escape it.
	And that's turning people, I think, towards God because they're going, man, I better look at this book seriously.
	I might take it a little bit of a better look.
	Do you feel like when you see this and the world is here, will we ever go back to the old world?
	Or are we headed towards this place where you're not going to be able to escape evil?
	You can't hide away from the calling of God.
	You cannot ignore any longer what's happening in the world because there's no way to block it out.
	Like, are we there yet?
	Or is there a way?
	Are we going to go back to the 90s where we could just live our lives and just watch football, drink our beers, and have a good life and ignore the problems of the world?
	No, I think there is no going back.
	And technology won't permit it.
	And the result is now we see more of what God sees and we can't handle it.
	I mean, think about it.
	Just the amount of information that we consume and things that we see, it's only a fraction of reality.
	Forever, God has seen and heard every event, every tear, every broken moment.
	And now we just get a glimpse.
	And honestly, it's more than the soul can handle.
	And what's happening right now is most people are breaking at the level of the soul.
	You hear a lot about trauma and emotion and anxiety and fear.
	It's deeper than that.
	It's at the level of the soul.
	And if you go to the DSM, which is kind of the Bible for clinical diagnosis, it mentions the soul zero times.
	It doesn't even acknowledge that a human being has a soul.
	Our problems are truly at the soul level.
	That's where the Bible starts to make sense.
	Can I do a quick question?
	What is your understanding of the difference between the spirit and the soul?
	Because the Bible sometimes uses those words and people use them interchangeably.
	This is a big, huge theological.
	I would be something, I think we're two parts: body and the physical and the spiritual.
	I only think there's two parts to us.
	But what people are feeling in their body and in their mind and in their anxiety and in their fear is really at the level of the soul.
	And that is something is profoundly broken that I can't fix and I'm a part of it and it's going to win.
	And it's that sense of foreboding evil.
	And people are feeling and sensing that on the right and the left.
	And they'll blame the source and they'll disagree on the solution.
	But, you know, what you saw in the 60s and 70s, it feels a lot like that today.
	You had sex, drugs, rock and roll.
	You had legalization of abortion.
	You had legalization of no-fault divorce and birth control pills and total anarchy and Carter.
	And then you had the Jesus movement and you got Reagan.
	And so, you know, it's interesting if you live long enough that sometimes it feels like the end is near and then you turn a corner.
	And it's not that everything is better.
	So I think what is happening in America is really simple.
	There's either going to be a spiritual revival or a collapse at the level of the Roman Empire.
	That's where we are.
	It's like, there's the cliff.
	We're either going to turn course or go over.
	That's where we are.
	And I think everybody feels that and they sense that, whether it's economic, whether it's spiritual, whether it's moral, political, familial, whatever the case may be.
	You're just seeing people self-destruct.
	Yeah, it does feel a little bit like we're watching our own funeral.
	I feel like I'm like, I'm like, wow, this is what it's like to see your own death before you.
	And I think what makes it difficult to me is like, well, we saw that the idea of this, this smash and grab, which, by the way, where I was at my studio was in.
	But see, now it's entertainment.
	That's what I'm saying.
	We invented a new phrase.
	Like, I never heard, like, I'm an adult, and I didn't know it.
	I never heard the phrase smash and grab like until like a year ago.
	And now we have this new form of crime.
	And it's like we're inventing new forms of evil.
	But we're taking crime and we're making it entertainment.
	It's true.
	Which encourages more crime because it normalizes it.
	So, so I don't know how deep you want to get into this.
	No, let's go.
	Okay, so I was talking some years ago.
	I was co-hosting Love Line with Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla.
	One of the weirdest days of my whole life.
	I was in the studio in LA.
	I'm happy to be there.
	Yeah, Adam Carolla wasn't there that day.
	So I was filling in.
	So I'm with the non-Christian guy and I'm the pastor.
	We're taking sex calls.
	And the first, one of the first ones was like a dairy farmer about masturbation.
	I mean, it was like the weirdest day.
	I was like, I hope those aren't connected.
	I didn't ask.
	I just, there's not, you know, you can't get that much toothpaste back in the tube.
	It was just the most awkward question.
	And during one of the breaks, I was having a conversation with Dr. Drew, and he ended up writing a book on this called The Mirror Effect.
	And he has this brilliant insight as a psychologist.
	And that is, celebrities model and then their followers mirror their behavior.
	And it's a counterfeit of what Christians would call worship.
	And that is, we want to be like Jesus, right?
	So he's the one that we want to mirror.
	And we're made in God's image and likeness to mirror his son, Jesus.
	That's what the Bible says.
	The counterfeit of that in culture is celebrities will model behavior that their followers mirror.
	As soon as their followers mirror their behavior, it's no longer interesting.
	So to maintain your celebrity status, you need to model more extreme behavior.
	Because like, you know, all of a sudden, you know, there was a day when, you know, the sex tape was a thing, and now junior high girls are making them.
	Yeah, only you're just, you're boasting about it.
	It's in your bio now.
	It's a link.
	Look at my sex tape.
	Exactly.
	And people are paying for it.
	Exactly.
	Millions of dollars.
	And it used to be like, you know, here's Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee, and it starts somewhere there.
	So all of a sudden, that was just, everyone is like, oh my gosh.
	And now everyone's like, well, I got a sex tape.
	It's like, it's like your side hustle.
	Yeah, somebody told me they were like, they're like, do you know, you know, remember Justin Bieber's nude pictures?
	And I go, I didn't know that there was any pictures of Justin Bieber.
	And it's like, that doesn't even matter anymore.
	You can literally just get photographed naked, apparently, and that doesn't even make the news today.
	On my bucket list is not seeing Justin Bieber naked.
	Yeah, well, we have actually have the pictures here for you.
	No, it's crazy.
	Yeah.
	There's not enough hand sanitizer to fix that.
	But the point is, so with the smash and grab and with people live streaming terrorist acts, it's just how do I get more attention?
	And the behavior has to become more outlandish, more self-destructive, more shocking, more jaw-dropping.
	And the question is, when does it end?
	It doesn't.
	I mean, this is just the continual descent.
	And so, you know, what I find just adorable on the left is we're good people who are making progress and we're evolving.
	It's like, it's like, obviously, you can only come to that conclusion if you've used your medical marijuana card.
	You know, I mean, it just defies reality.
	And I think, and the thing is, you either have to get angry and rage, or you get depressed and scared, or you find a source of life that is outside of the world in which you live.
	It has to come from somewhere else.
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	And let's continue the interview.
	No, it does.
	And I'm going to keep, I'm going to put away the Justin Bieber pictures real fast, but I want to show this.
	I know we always mentioned this to you earlier.
	But like the smashing grab.
	I mean, it's like now what's going to happen is a bunch of kids are going to do that.
	Oh, it's so common now.
	And to and to then and then to go viral or trend, you're going to have to do something crazy.
	Like you're going to have to then whack the store owner with a club.
	And it has to go next.
	They sell $500,000, Birkenbags and Rolexes.
	And if you want to know how expensive that is and you don't know what those are, that's how expensive they are.
	Okay.
	Like that's literally the point.
	It's not just stealing like, you know, candy or something.
	We're talking about even the rich are now being robbed of their wealth from this stuff.
	So you'd obviously then go, okay, well, let's go to the church.
	Now, I want to get into talking a little bit about deconstructing the religion of wokeness and what's going on.
	It is a religion.
	It is a religion, and people don't really.
	Because the woke is the counterfeit of being born again.
	Right.
	And they have the priests, they have their priests, right?
	They have their doctors.
	They have their evangelists.
	And now they've gone into children's ministry.
	Here we go.
	So this is from Mary Margaret Olihan.
	She's a wonderful journalist.
	And she said that DC's Lutheran Church of the Reformation apparently held a drag queen story hour today.
	The source, we have images, parents and kids in a semicircle around the drag queen who was reading what God only knows.
	So what's crazy is like right here, how it's just like you have like drag queen story hours in the shalom room.
	Like, okay, I always laugh at the worst stuff, so don't get me wrong.
	But I mean, like, look, they've marked it.
	I mean, flags are about a decree about property, but even this, check that out.
	That is some sick stuff right there.
	That is a drag queen in the shalom room, shalom in the home, and maybe in the back room, get dome.
	I don't know.
	That's a very much of a little bit.
	I don't know why we bring sexual kinks in front of children, let alone why we're bringing sexual kinks into the church.
	And I'm just going, you know, I mean, I've even heard drag queens even speak out about this, saying, hey, you know, it's a very sexualized adult type thing.
	And they talk about, you know, the sex acts and the drugs and the things that happen in this culture and stuff and how it evolved.
	But it's like, what's so insane is we know that the religion of wokeness is there and we'll talk about it.
	But it's like almost hard to understand the difference between that and modern day Christianity because modern day Christianity sort of reflects the exact same ideas of like you go to a church service and it seems like a show and it's all based on the entertainment value and there's it seems so self-centered, self-focused and there's no pressure and even the studies.
	I feel like I'm hearing a sermon of explaining to me the fundamentals of Christianity almost any time I go to a church that's like a megachurch or something like that.
	I feel like I'm in the intro class day one of Christianity.
	And it ends in the same way with raise your hand to follow God.
	And there's never any equipping.
	There's never anything.
	And then you wonder, then here, there's no substance.
	Well, there's no substance.
	There's going to be a void.
	And somebody is filling that void.
	And it seems like every time I look, the church is falling further and further and further away from the heart of God.
	And there's like nowhere to turn to that this wokeness has not already infiltrated.
	It's scared.
	It honestly scares me.
	Well, so church attendance pre-COVID is down 50%.
	Oh, yikes.
	Yikes.
	And so it's not like people have less needs than they did a few years ago to like process things emotionally or to heal up from something that was fearful.
	And what you're seeing at the church side is younger pastors are going woke because they are living for online approval, followers, and social media pressure rather than God's approval.
	It's very, very simple.
	You're going to live for somebody's approval.
	It's either going to go out or it's going to go up.
	And so younger pastors are going woke and they're going to virtue signal with rainbow flags and BLM.
	BLM was the Trojan horse for wokeness.
	I mean, the whole point is to disassemble the family, to remove gender, to destroy fatherhood, and to create government dependency.
	I mean, so what you're dealing with now, you're dealing with wokeness really is it is a new religion.
	And even some atheistic philosophers have talked about that.
	Like the guy who wrote Cynical Theories, he's not a believer, but he calls it a religion.
	And so what you're looking at, this is very spiritual.
	There's everything God creates, Satan counterfeits.
	And so, yeah, being woke is the counterfeit of being born again, giving your testimony.
	The counterfeit is coming out of the closet.
	Repenting of your sin is sort of replaced with repenting of other people's sin.
	And in Christianity, we have the crucifixion.
	And in wokeness, you have cancel culture, which is you crucify people, their lives, their companies, their platforms, you crucify them, but there's no resurrection.
	And so, yeah, you're literally looking at the emergence of a new religion that is a blend of spiritual, political, social, all made popular by social media.
	And so the platforms and such, those are places that congregations convene to be discipled by those who model their celebrity or behavior.
	That's the world we live in.
	When you put a religious lens over it all, and that's why even now, like there's evangelists actively seeking to recruit kids.
	That's why you're seeing the uptick in transgenderism and all kinds of gender disciplines.
	That's all on Amazon.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And now you're looking at they are getting into kids' ministry.
	And so it's Disney's getting into woke religion, kids' ministry.
	I mean, my wife told me that even now we've got gay characters on Sesame Street.
	It's like, why do the puppets, they don't even have the parts to do the things?
	I mean, like, it's just, it's insanity.
	And if you're, if you're a reasonable human being, you, you've moved from a place of, okay, we need to love people who are different to where they say we hate them unless we approve them.
	And even the dictionary definition of tolerance in the last few years has changed from, I disagree, you're wrong, but I love you, to I have to approve and celebrate you.
	And so now everybody has to be converted.
	I mean, it literally is, it's jihad.
	It's convert or die.
	That's how jihadism works.
	You join us or we kill you.
	That's this new religion of wokeness.
	Yeah.
	And I think people don't understand the depth of how serious this is because people will martyr themselves for a faith.
	And that's what this is.
	It's a literal faith.
	It's a nihilistic faith that is so dangerous because the God is man or even the God is darkness.
	And I think one aspect of this, we're going to break this down into a few different parts looking at a couple stories here.
	I don't know if you're familiar with Tim Poole.
	He's a internet.
	Good.
	Don't.
	I heard it's just naughty videos, cats and Trump.
	Literally, I mean, I guess if we put those together, you probably really blow up like Trump doing something naughty with a cat.
	So I just ignore all of it, you know.
	Maybe he's a dairy farmer friend or something.
	I'm going to help him out.
	No, but I was going to say, it's like we talk a lot about this religion.
	And so let's break this down.
	So people are always going to worship something.
	They're always going to have a God because I believe, and we have a lot of people who watch a show who are not Christian.
	So let me explain worship.
	Worship is this: someone or something is the most important, and you make sacrifices for it.
	Okay.
	That's what worship is.
	So, like, Jesus is most important to me.
	So, my time, my money, my energy goes to Jesus as my priority.
	The alcoholic, alcohol is their God.
	They make sacrifices.
	If politics is your religion, you make sacrifice for it.
	So, everybody worships.
	Everybody worships.
	We're all passionate about something.
	We're all devoted to something.
	We're all making sacrifices for someone or something.
	So, the question is not: are people worshiping?
	They are.
	I mean, you know, the guy who's the college football fan doing the tailgate party, and you know, he's making a sacrifice to go to his church, which happens to be a stadium.
	Everybody worships.
	Well, yeah, okay, so we ought to worship.
	And so, we all do worship.
	And I think people don't realize that they you can even worship yourself.
	I mean, if you could just, you could literally be a narcissist, and a lot of people are.
	So, it's like we remove God, though, and we have created this religion.
	A lot of people deny it, though.
	And I love how they're saying, like, oh, life is so much better without God.
	Well, is it really?
	So, people are self-destructive.
	But who is their God?
	So, in the woke, in the SJW, we have all these words for it, right?
	In this religion, who is the God?
	Because I get confused.
	Is it the individual?
	Is it the devil?
	Like, who is their God?
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	Like in this religion, who is God in this?
	Because I don't, it's hard for me to know because it's kind of like you'd go after, you know, you want to go after a country.
	You're going to try to take out the top person.
	Like, is it the government?
	Like, who is at the top of this idea?
	And I am genuinely, maybe you don't know, but I have been unable to figure out: is it just anything and anything else other than God?
	Is that the point?
	Is it a humanist religion?
	Who are they serving?
	Yeah, so I mean, ultimately, if you believe that there's God and Satan and there is some sort of cosmic battle that is going on, Satan doesn't care who you worship as long as it's not God.
	He doesn't care.
	So it doesn't matter.
	But at the end of the day, you know, this happened in my lifetime.
	Why is the camera, why is the camera able to take my photo?
	Because now I'm the center of my universe.
	You're living in an entire generation that literally lives for the selfie.
	And so the average person, who or whatever they worship, at the center of it all, it's them.
	That's why they always need to put themselves in whatever their commitment is.
	Here's a photo of me eating this or doing that or naked or with so-and-so or traveling or protesting or whatever it is.
	Sounds like a day in Portland.
	Naked, eating, and protesting.
	Yeah.
	I mean, and so at the end of the day, you know, we're the generation that created the ability to take our own photo at any time.
	That tells you a lot about us.
	A lot of people do it all the time.
	Because previously, I mean, I'm old enough, you know, I'm old enough now that I remember when you would take photos of other people and they don't matter anymore.
	I mean, I was at the lower Rhine River doing a romantic trip with my wife a few years ago, and you go from one town to another and it's beautiful.
	German countryside, you get off, find a cafe, go for a walk, then get on the boat, go to the next town.
	I mean, unreal.
	Most of the people had a selfie stick, did not see anything in Germany, and just took their photo in Germany.
	And some of them are married or they got kids, and they're ignoring all the human beings around them because it's reached the point where the center of the universe is the self.
	And let me say that people put themselves in the center of their universe.
	They're miserable freaking people.
	So eventually they're looking for a cause that is greater than themselves to give their lives meaning.
	Ergo politics, issues, whatever the issue might be.
	But people are worshiping themselves.
	I mean, right now, everybody just gets up and thinks about themselves and takes photos of themselves.
	Well, and this was going to say, is I this person.
	Which makes you a crappy spouse, crappy parent, crappy friend.
	Yeah, look at this.
	So I think I'm just going to take a second to load here.
	But what trips me out is I saw this video of this girl.
	And she's like, she's sitting there.
	She's a pretty girl.
	She looks nice.
	And she's young.
	She looks healthy from what I know.
	I could be mistaken.
	But in between bites of her food, she's like pulling her mask down.
	And I don't, my understanding, there's no mask mandates anywhere in this country that I know of for sure.
	So she's not being forced to do anything by the government.
	I'd like to say you can't be forced to do anything by the government.
	It's your choice to comply or not.
	But she's there and she's like eating and dropping her mask, which both doesn't make sense scientifically.
	I don't know what's going on.
	Essentially, she's wearing her mental illness on her face.
	They used to say your tattoos are wearing your trauma on your sleeves, but now it's just the face diaper is the mental trauma on your face.
	And I look at this and I see that this is what this religion breeds.
	Like at the end of this, it leads to people who live lives that don't make sense.
	And this is what is scaring me about everybody.
	I mean, don't go on the internet, but there is entire communities where people just their bios are all about their weaknesses.
	Like we used to live in a culture where it was your strength.
	What record did I break?
	How many cars did I own?
	And even if it's superficial, it was some sort of an achievement.
	Now it's like, I'm disabled, mentally ill, autistic, neurodivergent, she, they, it.
	And you go, you no wonder you call yourself it because you're in borderline, not even a human at that point because you're, you're no wonder you're, and they're always miserable and depressed.
	And then they complain about the system and racism and things that don't even affect them.
	So that's so, so technically that's called intersectionality.
	Intersectionality is it's a whole generation that has decided that the highest virtue is to be a victim.
	And there's a points system and that's intersectionality.
	So the more the more ways you've been victimized, the more points you get.
	So, you know, you're like, I'm not white.
	Okay, there's a point.
	I'm not straight.
	There's a point.
	I'm not Christian.
	There's another point.
	I was, you know, rejected by my mother.
	There's another point.
	And so what you literally have is an entire generation that is keeping score by brokenness, by tragedy, and by victimization.
	And then the goal is to elicit sympathy.
	And if you look at people and you say, well, you still need to live your life.
	You need to take responsibility.
	You need to figure out what you're going to do.
	Then you get attacked for not being woke and not being compassionate.
	But meanwhile, the people are self-destructing.
	I mean, like, we've taken a whole generation like right now.
	So this is why there's so much pressure on kids right now to find ways to check more boxes.
	So it's like, I need to go through the full gender reassignment surgery before middle school so that I can, you know, be as victimized as possible.
	And what we're seeing is we're allowing people to self-destruct, and we're doing so at such an early age that by the time they become adults and they have to do things like move out of their parents' house, pay their bills, just make decisions, show up for a job.
	These people are completely incapable because all they've been told is you are a victim and that victimization is irreversible and it entitles you to certain privileges so that you don't have to be a responsible adult.
	And at some point, you know, like Margaret Thatcher says, at some point, you run out of other people's money.
	And that's where we're at.
	I mean, that's just where we're at.
	We're out of money.
	We're out of time.
	We're out of momentum.
	We're out of responsible adults.
	This is what happens when broken, traumatized, you know, self-indulgent, spoiled, lost children inherit an entire generation of responsibility.
	Well, yeah, and that's why I read a really alarming quote the other day that was somebody was like, you know, obviously Saudi Arabia is continuing to trade oil with Russia and they're trading in rupees.
	And then someone goes, Yeah, you know, what you shouldn't be worried about is the $4 trillion budget that the United States makes for its country, which is insanely, you know, inflated.
	You should be worried about when there's nothing to purchase with that money because that's when real inflation hits.
	It's like, be worried when people don't need that cash that we're printing and they can use other currencies.
	Just watch real implosion.
	You thought you've lived in hell before?
	Wait till you see people's money not work, right?
	Wait till you get into this position.
	And in the end, that's what they want.
	They want to implode the cash society.
	They want a global currency.
	They want a straight currency and they want a cashless society so they can plug you off or plug you in or shut you down from the economy.
	Just like God predicted in the end that there would be a mark and that you could not buy trade or sale.
	They want this digital world.
	But I mean, like with this idea, like you said, we inherited this and we are broken and we are abused and we become slaves then and they control us.
	These government officials, they just push us around.
	And I've always said this, the woke religion is dangerous because while they're literally doing things that actually affect you, like they're inflating your currency to the point to where they created a hypertax, right?
	They've increased your taxes by 10 to 15% on you overnight.
	It's destroying families.
	People are committing suicide just to get their own.
	Look at what COVID did to marriages.
	Look what COVID did to divorce children.
	Yeah.
	No, my neighbor literally divorced over COVID.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like it's destroying you.
	And what do they have?
	What's the national discussion?
	They have you arguing about whether you can kill your kids legally or you can chop their dick off when they're nine.
	Like that's literally, that's the conversation that they have us discussing.
	They're destroying our ability to feed ourselves, to get sustenance.
	And we're arguing about either murdering children and if they happen to not get murdered, to mutilate them once they're born in ways that they can never go back.
	And it's like any religion that leads to the murder and the destruction and the predation and sexualization of children is to me satanic.
	It's like it's, and I always say the word satanic because it's not even a word, but it's like it's satanic-y.
	It's just like, I don't know what it is, but this woke religion is dangerous because if you don't want to admit there's a God and there's a portion of this audience that it's like, they're just like, I'm so strong.
	I don't need some, you know, guy in the sky.
	That doesn't make you strong to not need God.
	It actually makes you weak because that's an ego and you will get crushed and you will have no one and you will not realize.
	And I hope that God uses something to help you.
	But it's like, you do need God.
	And you have to realize that because when we reject God, we end up with this.
	And it's like every society that ends up, you know, trying to make their own version of the rules, redefine marriage, redefine what sexuality is.
	It is not just a snowball.
	It's the whole damn avalanche that comes down after it.
	Because it's like they just said, you know, legalizing gay marriage, it's not going to be a snowball.
	And now we're talking about whether or not we should have the child drag show in the shalom room or in the main chapel.
	So it gets bad pretty quickly.
	Well, so if you come from no one and you're here for nothing and you die and go nowhere, the logical result historically, all the way back to the Greeks is when it hurts, you kill yourself.
	That's what's happening.
	And some people don't have the courage to kill themselves.
	And so they self-destruct a little bit every day with addiction and self-destructive behavior.
	But if I come from God and I'm here for a reason and I'm going to be rewarded eternally on the other side, I live differently.
	So once you remove purpose from life, you remove life from people.
	I mean, the average person right now, if you ask them, where do you come from?
	Why are you here?
	Where are you going?
	They have no idea.
	But they're, you know, and they don't think about that because they're distracted 24 hours a day, seven days a week by whatever the rage of the day is.
	So every day, everybody gets up, turns on their phone, and depending upon if you're on the right or the left, you're like, what am I angry about all day so that I'm distracted from the things that actually matter and the people that are in front of me?
	I know I was my producer.
	We were going over an article right before this.
	This is what's so crazy.
	While we're fighting about systemic racism in the United Kingdom, heating oil costs have gone about 23%.
	And they're might go up by 50% already by the end of this year or next year, meaning that people are being warned to not even use energy to heat your water.
	And you take the tea away from the Brits.
	I mean, I don't know.
	It's a situation.
	The feces and fan face.
	I don't know what happens there, but it's like, you know, you're in a position where you're being asked to not heat your own tea and you're still thinking that the biggest issue in the world is some elusive form of racism that is being used to divide and to kill, steal, and destroy.
	And if you know that's the enemy, that's what he does.
	He kills, steals, and destroys.
	If you don't know what the enemy is behind something, then look, is it about killing, stealing, and destroying?
	Yeah.
	And so, and you look at this, this disregard today for human life.
	I mean, it's, I watched this video.
	I don't know if you've seen it.
	This black dude was walking.
	He's over the internet.
	Well, he's magical.
	I know it doesn't help.
	I know it doesn't help your ratings.
	No.
	But it's magical, bro.
	Like tomorrow, I'm going to be in the woods and they'll be deer.
	That's that's it.
	I need to get off the internet.
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	Let's see what else Pastor Mark has to say.
	Totally, you keep talking about it.
	Have you seen this video?
	I'll just keep saying no.
	All right.
	Well, there's a, I mean, maybe you saw in the news because it made the news.
	No, why would I watch the news, bro?
	That's true.
	You got a point.
	I quit.
	Just moves.
	Like, we're shutting this down.
	I'm off.
	I'm going to get into banking.
	I mean, you know what?
	My wife is really cute.
	I'd rather look at her.
	My kids, I really like.
	I'd rather talk to them.
	I mean, I do check the news, you know, usually when I'm in the bathroom because I have nothing else to do.
	And it seems like those worlds are connected.
	But at the end of the day, like part of the problem is simply this.
	Most people have completely lost touch with reality and with just human relationships.
	Like, we're looking over people that are having a hard day to deal with people that we'll never meet and have no impact on.
	I mean, I'm a pastor, so I mean, and I'm old and I grew up before the internet.
	I just think, you know, people are angry about things that are silly.
	It's just jackassery.
	I don't understand it.
	No, I don't.
	That's what I meant is like, is like while we're fighting these things, it's literally a man, like a grown man, very large, probably 6'3, walks up the stairs.
	This is a random act of violence.
	There's a small white woman and he like decks her in the face as, I mean, probably broken facebones.
	I genuinely was like, it's force.
	And she's like on the ground and he walks away.
	And these other two like younger black dudes come up right after and like see her on the floor.
	And she's like leaning, gets herself up, it's like leaning against the door in the stairway.
	And then they like kind of like use their feet to scoot her over and open the door.
	Like don't even ask her what happened or like don't even care.
	And she's like bleeding out on the floor and they don't care.
	And I've, I've seen this multiple times, like even like some of the things that have calloused my heart over the years.
	Like I remember I was in Dallas and I watched this guy get beat up so badly in a, in a riot.
	And then after they clocked him over the head with the skateboard trucks and broke and like you could see his brain matter.
	I've seen some brain matter recently and it's not good to see.
	You don't want to see that in your life.
	Go in the woods, bro.
	Yeah, he did.
	Well, this was in person.
	I mean, I was there.
	So I would like to see this.
	And then they robbed after he was knocked out.
	Then they went through his pockets and took all his stuff.
	And you're like, if a man dying on the street, bleeding out, and your first instinct is to rob.
	And they're laughing, spitting on him and stuff.
	And this kind of callousness, it's kind of evil that I see.
	Like I have, I have seen evil, like where I'm going.
	We've killed 63 million kids since Roe v. Wade.
	I can wrap my head around that.
	63 million.
	That's more people that are in Ukraine.
	Everybody like, no, it's like, we got to defend Ukraine.
	Like, well, if we killed everybody in Ukraine, it wouldn't even begin to amount to the same number of unborn children.
	Everybody's like, well, justice for those that are oppressed and can't stand up for themselves.
	The most dangerous place to be is still the mother's womb.
	COVID took lives.
	The leading cause of death, the two years of COVID, and that was death with COVID, not of COVID, was still abortion.
	I mean, the most dangerous place to be is still the mother's womb.
	I mean, we've lost any sense of life.
	If life doesn't come from God and if we're not endowed by our creator with rights, then we have no rights.
	We're highly evolved animals.
	That's where we find ourselves.
	The problem with a worldview is it becomes a lifestyle.
	And if you get the wrong worldview, you end up living in a world where you can't live your life.
	Well, see, this is what I noticed on a personal level is even though I had like 19 become a Christian.
	And you guys, the SOB is a slightly offensive backers.
	You guys know the story.
	But if you're new to the show and you're new here, you don't know that.
	It's just basically timeline, agnostic, atheist to Christian, then what we would call in the church backsliding or whatever you want to call it, just going back into the flesh.
	And then now I've been trying to come out of it for the last several years, successfully have been making progress.
	And recently back at church, there's the quick story, is that I realize that in the world, it's so important to know who is your God.
	And so I'm not lecturing people from a place of, oh, I'm this holy Christian.
	No, I have done some effed up stuff in my life.
	And I have, I mean, I've never really screwed anyone over.
	I've never done anything like that, but I've done mistakes that I've blown out my own life, my own brain, my mind, my eyes.
	Like I have, I have really, truly made mistakes that have crushed my soul and just damaged my conscience.
	And I've gotten to a point that over the last several years where I could just see someone get shot in front of me.
	And it just was like, like I was just, I just saw people get shot and destroyed and things and I didn't feel anything.
	And I think, I think it was like, you know, at a certain point, you know, like while they're watching my mom die over the last several years and things and not dealing with trauma correctly, if you don't take seriously who has the seat of your heart, you should not be surprised that your life is dictated by what you're letting control it.
	And so if I'm letting trauma and pain and sadness and grief be what controls my decision, you know?
	And defines your identity.
	Right.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like then you end up, you know, really not being surprised that you have bad things in, bad things out.
	And you wonder why you feel like, you know, maybe you're depressed or you don't have this will to live.
	Like I've watched people that I see them like this morbidly obese person on TV that is talking all this stuff.
	She's like, I don't know why I'm depressed.
	I'm like, you're depressed because you don't have control over your life.
	I would be depressed too if I looked like that, if I was in this position.
	It's not to mock you.
	It's to say the truth that a lot of us are unhappy or unwell.
	And it's not that we need more pills and we need more therapy sessions.
	It's because we need to take control of our lives, take responsibility, stop effing up, stop sinning, stop living a loose life.
	And, you know, recently when I decided, you know, I need to put God back control of my life.
	I need to put Christ in control.
	Knowing that he wasn't in control because I have real excuses and everyone does, it's like there's a certain point where you have to admit this.
	It's like you can sit around and talk about wokeness and SJWs and I'm, you know, don't need to know God or whatever.
	And it's okay, fine, whatever.
	But you really can never truly get to your potential and to where you should be and where you're going to be both internally and externally until you really admit you're a sinner, that you need God, that you need somebody to help you because you were designed and there was a design mechanism.
	And some people complain about the God element in the show coming back, but it's coming back.
	It's not going away.
	Sorry.
	It's not going to go away.
	It's like this show's always been about just my discovery of the world and what I'm seeing and with the friends that I make along the way and the ones that leave go.
	And right now I'm seeing like if we do not, as young men, as older men, if we do not start taking control of our lives by giving that control to God and then asking him for the fruits of the spirit, we're going to fail.
	We're not going to win because the war may not, we may lose from without.
	Like in the end, we kind of do lose the war.
	You look at the end times, it's like, kind of ends the lot of people getting beheaded.
	The planet is just kindling being stacked.
	Right.
	I mean, that's what it is.
	And so, you know, the thing is, once you see reality, you either get angry, broken, or come to the conclusion that somebody from outside the system is going to need to come save the people in the system.
	And this is where, you know, what are the big movies that everybody keeps going to?
	It's always the same.
	It's the world is in peril.
	Somebody from the outside who's like part human, part superhuman comes in and saves us all.
	Everybody who goes to Marvel or DC at the end of the day is wanting Jesus to return, whether they know it or not.
	That's just, but there's something in us that's just like, we are the problem.
	We can't be the solution.
	Right.
	And statism is where, well, individually we're the problem, but collectively we're the solution.
	We've now come to the conclusion, if you're a rational human being, a collection of people is not the solution.
	It's just a bigger problem.
	So if individually I'm part of the problem, if collectively we are the problem, then the only hope for the problem has to come from outside the system.
	That's where we are.
	And people who don't acknowledge or accept that, they think they can change the system or they're just trying to self-medicate and ignore reality.
	Well, and that's what I genuinely feel is it's like from experience, you know, you have the free will to live however you want, but it's not going to leave you at peace.
	It's not going to make you feel good.
	And that's what we're, that's the symptom of the woke ideology: it's it's this constant lie.
	And I see this with people that don't know God that are destructive, is they get depressed and they keep thinking that something's going to change from without.
	I mean, a system's going to change.
	Like, if I, if I replace capitalism with communism, I'm going to feel better.
	If I take, you know, religion out and place it with secularism, I'm going to feel better.
	But the problem is, is that this is a closed system.
	The universe is a closed system, I believe.
	I don't know if I'm a multiverse guy, but I believe it's a closed system and it is a set of rules that govern it, both the physical matter and the spiritual matter.
	And there's a certain way that if you live, that if we act, that if we behave, that we're not going to enjoy things.
	And nobody wants to take responsibility anymore.
	And that's what's so great about this religion.
	It gets to the heart of what man actually wants.
	They want to have a religion.
	They want to have faith.
	They want to feel like a good person, but they don't want the responsibility or the accountability to have to give an atonement for their sin.
	So instead of giving, you know, the blood of Christ, they give the blood of their firstborn.
	They abort their children.
	And it's this worship to Molech, it's this worship to the devil that it's like it's still through blood that they find atonement for their actions, right?
	This religion requires blood.
	Every religion, every faith system, in the end, for true atonement, will require blood.
	Whether it was the old system, the Hebrews, and whether it was the new covenant, it's still through blood.
	And so, this idea of where we're moving, the sad part is, is that the blood should be from the sacrifice, from God already gave himself so that we didn't have to kill, that we don't have to spill blood anymore.
	We don't have to have the blood of our children staining our nation.
	And I'm going to say, I am having a little hope, though, because we did just overturn Roe v. Wade.
	And, you know, I mean, I don't know.
	Did you think you were going to see that in your lifetime?
	I mean, do you feel like that's a good sign in the right direction?
	Or do you feel like this means that we're more divided?
	Like, where does that lead us?
	I think it forces nationally back to states making a lot of decisions and the diminishing of universal laws for all Americans.
	And I think, I mean, as a constitutionalist, I think that was a framer's original intent.
	And I believe that's the point of a federalist system.
	And it's probably the only thing that keeps us from full-on civil war in this nation: if you want to kill your kids, move here.
	If you don't, move there.
	If you, you know, if you want to wear a face diaper, move here.
	If you don't, move there.
	And people are voting with their feet where they want to live.
	And that probably becomes the only way that if there's any chance of the nation holding together, that it does.
	And it's more like a broken, dysfunctional marriage where mom sleeps in that room and dad sleeps in that room.
	And if they slept in the same room, one would kill the other.
	So rather than a divorce, they just sort of live in separate rooms.
	I think that's where America's at right now.
	It does.
	Well, yeah.
	And I think that it is, though I will say, I think it'll be better that way if we can get back to the federalist system and stop having this weird central government that's this dogma that takes over.
	And I think within this, though, the question is: some division can be good because if we can get the states to be back to where you can live in a state and you can use your tax dollars to support what you believe in and not to support the murder of unborn children, et cetera.
	When it comes to the practical sense, I'd say a lot of this audience, like about maybe like somewhere 60 to 70% of the audience, is literally just 18 to 35-year-old males.
	We do have, I've had a couple 80-year-olds.
	Shout out to grandpa, you know, something that people had to say they watched the show.
	Cool for you.
	I found it on AOL.
	Yeah.
	Glenn Beck spammed your inbox.
	He said, Do you want to lose brain cells?
	Watch this show.
	But I think ultimately speaking, you know, a lot of young men are like our broken.
	They don't trust the church.
	Okay.
	They don't want to go to church.
	And even if that's even why, maybe some people are not even trained to God because they don't see the difference.
	And they go, the church is broken.
	I don't want that, but I want to do what's right for the world.
	You know what I'm saying?
	That's where they're at.
	They're angry.
	They're bitter.
	They're upset because they feel like the system is against them.
	It's like their ancestors built.
	Like my family fought in the Revolutionary War.
	We've been in every war.
	We fought in the future.
	Can you imagine if we were invaded like Ukraine today?
	We would send out the woke people to protest and the drag queens to fight.
	I don't know.
	Fighting with like dildos and stuff.
	I don't really want rainbow dildos at the end of your end of your life.
	Yeah, no, I know, but I'd like, well, that's what I'm saying.
	It's like, it's like, they feel isolated, alienated, and they feel like, you know, there's this move towards even this homesteading or like going out and just being, you know, completely just removing yourself from the system.
	Like, it's too broken.
	It's a neo-omic.
	I don't want to fix it.
	It's beyond fixing.
	The question is, is there actually hope for the young men to fix it?
	And is there a hope for them to fix themselves without completely removing from society entirely?
	Like, do you honestly believe that?
	Because you've gone through life already.
	You've been married for 30 years.
	You've gone, you have more life to live.
	But a lot of these guys are just getting started.
	And even though I'm saying up to 35, they're still not married and they don't have kids.
	And it's like they feel like they're not.
	The last two years they moved home with their parents and they're going backwards and they've just been, they've seen the economic rung ripped out from beneath them.
	They've been given a debt that they're going to need to repay.
	I mean, any young man who isn't angry is not paying attention.
	I mean, they're telling you masculinity is toxic.
	Dependence on the government is good.
	Children are for murdering and debt is your future.
	I mean, it's insanity.
	I mean, we have systematically, in a very short order, declared war on young men.
	And that's just the way that it is.
	Now, the good news is, is a young man has an opportunity to reinvent himself and his future.
	And so what happens when you're a little boy, everybody makes all your decisions and takes care of all your needs.
	As you grow into, you know, a boy, not just a little boy, but a boy, your parents, others take care of some things, but you take care of some things.
	They provide some things.
	You provide some things.
	Then you become a young man and you're fully, solely, totally responsible for yourself.
	You make your own decisions.
	You make your own money.
	You're not a grown man until you're taking care of somebody else.
	And there's a whole generation that are not grown men.
	I call them boys who can shave.
	They expect the government to take care of them.
	They expect their girlfriend to pay the bills.
	They expect their mother to pick up their mess.
	At the end of the day, you're not a grown man until not only are you responsible for yourself, but you're responsible for others.
	And we've created an entire culture that says that that is patriarchal, it's chauvinistic, it's misogynistic, it's toxic, and it's evil.
	But if you are a man, as soon as I say that, something in you made by God springs to life and says, that sounds right.
	It rings true.
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	No, yeah, I mean, genuinely, and I feel that way.
	And I know that you were on the other podcast talking about even the importance of having a child and like fatherhood and what this means.
	And that's what I was going to say: is I, you know, getting married and whatever, like, I didn't even know my wife when I met her, but I've really, really enjoyed it.
	And I'm glad I do because that would have been a really bad mistake if I didn't end up liking her.
	That's a possibility.
	I mean, we all have our days, right, where we don't even like ourselves because of whatever's going on in the world.
	But I've been, I've learned so much through being married to her and through enjoying it.
	And I've really, she's become my best friend in life, just in general.
	Absolutely.
	People say, oh, is your wife your best friend?
	I go, no, not my best friend in terms of like through a natural friendship.
	It's something much deeper than that.
	But still, it's who I prefer to hang out with the most.
	And I do enjoy just spending time together.
	And it's a really great thing.
	And I think it's important to find it.
	Caring for her, protecting her, providing care.
	Yeah, it doesn't work.
	There's something in that as a man, there's something in you that feels like dignity.
	Right.
	Well, it brings meaning to life.
	I've made more money.
	I've gotten better in my life.
	And I've started making even better decisions now preparing because I want to start a family soon.
	So I'm going, I got to start getting some, you know, my crap together.
	I got to work on some personal, you know, my life and my mind and my consistency and my faith because I got to be a man that can be a father that I got to be able to raise.
	And like you had even shared with me, it's like, I got, how am I going to learn to be a father?
	It's by becoming more aligned with my father and learning from him what it means to be a man.
	And I, you know, but I think with this going forward, it's like, I want to just kind of switch and end on this.
	You know, as being someone who's who, like I mentioned, is going back to church, you know, I'm still a spectator.
	I'm there.
	I don't really have a strong like Christian community.
	And I think that's been what's lacking.
	You know, I've been around a lot of like atheists and agnostics and just narcissists and people that are like, whatever, that's their worldview.
	I don't shame them for it.
	It's just, that's what I've lived around.
	And now I'm trying to get back into a place of accountability, a place of authenticity, a place of where I can genuinely go with people.
	But when I go to the church, even now that I'm going to, I don't see it.
	I don't feel it.
	Maybe I'm not in the group.
	Going forward, what's more important?
	Is it going to be community or is it going to be fellowship?
	Or are those not different?
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, when it comes to the church, you know, it was a generational, epochal, stupid move when everybody shut their church down and said, hey, you don't need to go to church.
	You can do church online.
	It's like, no, you can't.
	If all I did is zoomed with my kids for the next 10 years, I wouldn't be a father.
	It takes relationship.
	There's a reason that the God of the universe actually came down on the planet to hang out with people.
	It must mean that this is important.
	And so what we did in the church, we just turned it into sort of an online platform.
	And what I think more than ever, people really need genuine relationship and they need to be together.
	And the Bible says, the first thing the Bible says is not good.
	It's not good to be alone.
	And what we learned last few years, you leave people alone, they don't get better.
	I mean, mentally, emotionally, spiritually.
	I mean, they self-destruct.
	And so God made us for relationship with Him, relationship with each other.
	And what we're finding as well, I think, in the church, I think is it used to be that if you didn't have the church, that's okay because you've got your family.
	Well, today, families are imploded and exploded, divorce, relocation.
	Nobody lives with their family of origins.
	Their parents don't know what they're doing.
	And if you're a young man, you're like, okay, I want to get my head out of my sphincter.
	I mean, I want to just try something else.
	This isn't working.
	I want to take on responsibility.
	Where do you go?
	You can get a women's studies degree.
	You can't get a man's studies degree.
	There's a national organization for women.
	There's not a national organization for men.
	You can go to college and every class can deconstruct masculinity and the patriarchy, and nobody tells you how to be a husband and a father.
	You can watch porn all day, but good luck finding a series of videos that tell you how to get married and stay faithful to your wife for 30 years.
	You know, you can get tax dollars and lots of support to murder your child, but you don't, there's not even a class that the government offers on how to raise them.
	And so, if you're a young man, you are on a freaking island and you don't have a dad.
	And that's where the opportunity is for the church to say, we are to operate like a family.
	There's older men and women, they're going to help develop and bring along.
	And honestly, that's the age I am.
	I mean, I've got my kids are ages 16 to 24.
	And so I'm in that dad slot.
	And I love it.
	It's the best season of my whole life.
	I completely love it.
	And at the end of the day, the church can provide the one thing that nobody else can provide, and that is an alternative and some hope.
	And part of the problem that we've even got politically is every four years, America is a big, dysfunctional, broken family that fights over who's going to be in charge.
	So the Democratic Party is the mommy party.
	The Republican Party is the daddy party.
	If you don't feel safe, you vote for dad.
	If you do feel safe and you want more stuff, you vote for mom.
	So we had Trump and we had Hillary run.
	It literally is mom against dad.
	And then the last election, it was, well, we have two options.
	We have an angry dad or a just a worthless grandfather.
	And most people are like, I don't like my options because I like dad's courage, but he doesn't seem very healthy.
	And grandpa, I don't think he's going to hurt me, but he might let others hurt me because he can't get out of the chair if somebody breaks in the house and defends the family.
	So America is just one big broken, dysfunctional family.
	And every four years, we have a family fight over who's going to be in charge.
	And if you're a young man, I think it's an opportunity to say, I don't think the father figures that I need to raise me up, I'm going to find in politics.
	And so, you know, the goal of politics to me is more of a, you know, protect the borders, fund the military, let me live my life, you know, protect my freedom.
	But at the end of the day, where do you go if you're a young man?
	You know, and do you want to just be the angry dad or do you want to be the passive grandpa?
	Do you want to just vote for mom and be all woke and vote for liberals to just sort of change your diaper and pick up your vomit for the rest of your life?
	And I think there's a backlash coming.
	And I think it's for young men.
	And I think you're seeing it with stuff like Joe Rogan.
	I think you're seeing it with guys like Jordan Peterson.
	I think you're seeing it with shows like Yellowstone.
	There's certain things that are outliers.
	And it's because people are looking at saying, give me an option.
	Because even the people that are trying to conform young men into this sort of woke, confused, transgender, broken dependency, those people aren't happy and well.
	And most young men look at that and say, that does not seem appealing to me whatsoever.
	I think we're getting to the day when to be the outlaw, the punk rock, the rebel, you're heterosexual, you love your wife, you raise your kids, you change your own oil, and you shut the hell up.
	If you do that, you are a freak.
	And I believe that's the only rebellion that's kind of left.
	You know what?
	I genuinely agree with that.
	And I think, and there is hope.
	Remember, guys, just watch, just look at my profile pictures over the last like five years and you'll see an actual that's proof evolution is real.
	You'll see it evolve and it continues to, and wherever you're at, continue to evolve.
	Pastor Mark Driscoll, even though you're not on the internet, if people want to hear more from you, like if they want to track either your Bible teachings or like whatever it is that you're doing on the internet, what is the best place that they can touch base?
	RealFaith.com.
	Thanks for asking.
	I think I'm going to do it.
	You can pray about it too.
	I do think all real men at our church here in Scottsdale, and we start up in September, and I'm thinking of doing, I've sketched out a 10-week class.
	I'm just going to call Act Like a Man.
	And I'm going to teach young men what a man is and what a man is supposed to be, know, and do.
	And so I can't find it.
	And so I'm going to take a crack at it.
	It's free, get what you pay for, lower your expectations.
	But I believe that fatherlessness and the lack of vision for young men is the biggest cultural crisis.
	And if the young men take on responsibility, you alleviate most of your social problems.
	If you break your young men, you absolutely obliterate any hope for the future.
	Because if you get the men, you win the war.
	If you lose the men, you lose the war.
	And the war is always for the hearts and the souls and the minds of young men.
	Wow.
	So I'm just going to make sure you guys know that the links as well, whatever links that they provided for us, make sure you click them and you make sure you follow him.
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	A huge shout-out.
	Thank you to Pastor Mark for having us out here in Phoenix, Scottsdale area.
	And please make sure that you support both not only his ministry, but also watch more stuff.
	If this interested you, you don't got to be a Christian.
	You don't have to be religious to watch to try to make your soul better.
	And you might just find the more that you look into these things, you might end up like me, where you realize that you're a broken person who needs a perfect God.
	And even though you're still very imperfect and open about it, you want to be around the people that you want to be like.
	And so I'm going to try to spend more time with God and the people who are trying to spend time with him to become more godly over the next several years.
	And we'll see where this ends up.
	And I'm guessing if my money's on the prize here, I'm thinking I'll probably end up improving, not going backwards if we're able to stay consistent.
	Anyway, thank you so much for coming on.
	My pleasure.

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