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elijah schaffer
You don't trust the government websites, but you trust Orange Coast Community College professors?
unidentified
A lot of these professors here aren't only conservative.
None of them are only liberal, but there's a few things that they all agree on.
elijah schaffer
There's almost no platform or institution that's probably least trustworthy than college professors at the moment.
unidentified
I would say holes with microphones on the internet are pretty much the most unlikely source for valuable information.
elijah schaffer
Thank you.
unidentified
Now it's shown to yourself.
Okay, great.
elijah schaffer
I appreciate that.
So then let me ask you this, then back to the question then, with the immigration wall.
Since I am an asshole with a microphone, yes, it's a good thing that the question and the statement you are what you eat isn't true.
Awesome, this would be disgusting.
This would be disgusting.
This is Elijah here with slightly offensive.
We've got another episode coming out.
We're at Orange Coast College talking to people about the immigration wall and apparently also some racism mixed in because you can't talk about a wall without talking about the people that it's trying to prevent from coming over.
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Okay, so what's your name?
unidentified
Dustin.
elijah schaffer
Dustin.
Okay, so check out.
This sign right here says the wall on the southern border supports illegal immigration.
Do you think that the wall actually helps immigration or not?
unidentified
No, I think it incentivizes people to get over illegally.
Right?
So if there was not a wall, I believe that more people will be incentivized to go back after they work here.
And they won't have to go over too much problems.
You know, people die on the wall all the time.
elijah schaffer
So which cases are people dying on the wall?
unidentified
You know, like people try to jump over from their side to our side.
They get shot down.
elijah schaffer
So I don't think people on the border are getting shot though.
unidentified
On the wall.
Well, regardless if they get shot or not, that point's irrelevant for the wall part.
elijah schaffer
Well, if we just took a fraction of the money that we spend on resources for illegal immigrants already in this country, we could fund the wall.
But you're saying not only do we not have a new wall, but what do you think we should do about the existing wall?
Should we keep it or get rid of it?
unidentified
Get rid of it.
Maybe not get rid of it in a physical sense because it'll cost money to get rid of it, but maybe not regulate it.
elijah schaffer
So like, so for fiscal reasons, don't get rid of it because it costs money to remove, but maybe remove the border patrol agents so people can jump it.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
How many border patrol agents should we have on the southern border then with the new proposed plan to sort of not regulate it?
unidentified
I'm not sure.
I'd say a skeleton crew so I don't know how to estimate that, but at least enough to see like...
elijah schaffer
A hundred?
More?
Less than a hundred?
unidentified
Donald Trump doesn't comment on white nationalists or the things that are happening.
elijah schaffer
He disavowed white nationalism multiple times and David Duke, yeah, he has.
What about happening on CNN?
unidentified
What about what happened in Charlottesville when he had very fine people?
elijah schaffer
He later came back and said sorry and he apologized.
unidentified
Because of all the backlash he received and all of the hate that he was getting from people of color?
elijah schaffer
Don't you think that Antifa and white nationalists are both just as bad as each other?
No.
How is Antifa better?
unidentified
They're both bad, but no, white nationalists, let's see, and it's always, when we talk about white nationalists, we're always comparing them to some other group.
It's never just about white nationalists.
elijah schaffer
I'd like to put all the bad groups in one corner where they're all bad.
unidentified
We never just single them out like we do.
elijah schaffer
Why would we just single out one bad group?
Why wouldn't we be open and willing to discuss all of them?
unidentified
Don't we do that already with a bunch of other issues?
elijah schaffer
Which ones?
unidentified
A bunch of other issues.
What?
Talking about talking about people of color in regards to police brutality, talking about people of color in regards to crime, we single them out.
We talk about all the statistics with them, and especially in regards to crime, we paint this picture of black people and minority people as villains.
elijah schaffer
Who's we?
unidentified
We do that all the time.
elijah schaffer
Who's we?
I don't.
unidentified
The media, white people in general, and specifically.
So, I mean, we do that all the time.
We single out, we single out other races all the time, so why not single out white nationalists?
We always talk about white nationalists with other groups of people that also do harm.
We can never just talk about.
elijah schaffer
Do you know exactly how many white nationalists are in the country and if it's a real threat?
unidentified
I don't.
I don't, but it definitely is a real threat.
So, I mean.
elijah schaffer
Do you know, like, how do you feel threatened by white nationalism on this campus?
unidentified
On this campus.
So, it's funny.
I actually don't go here anymore.
I was here for three years, though, so I already got my little degree here.
elijah schaffer
Congrats, by the way.
Honestly, good job.
unidentified
I do got my associate's degree and I hopped out of here.
But white nationalists, I feel like they seep through the cracks a lot.
I don't think we always know who are until...
elijah schaffer
It's probably hidden.
unidentified
It's hidden, especially for someone like me walking around.
I feel like you always have to be prepared and kind of always on your toes.
You really never know who you're talking to until you learn a little bit more about them.
I think.
elijah schaffer
Is it violence you're afraid of or what is it that you're afraid of of maybe running into white nationalists that might be hidden?
unidentified
Violence and also just the feeling of being outnumbered.
I mean, I'm constantly outnumbered living around in Orange County anyway, anyway.
So that's kind of just something that I always have to be prepared for and aware of as a colored person, my surroundings, and who's around me, just because you never know what people's intentions are.
elijah schaffer
I mean, I live in LA in Hollywood area, and we have a lot of like Metro La Raz, a lot of brown power types of things, but I don't feel threatened by them.
I mean, because I think they're small.
Well, I've had threats of violence against me.
I've had police take me out of places just because I was white in a bad area reporting and they were saying like, you know, kind of saying a lot of racist things, calling me a Nazi, different things just because I was asking questions about race and ideas.
unidentified
You have to take a step back and figure out what type of questions you were asking and were you triggering those.
elijah schaffer
Like this.
unidentified
Yeah, triggering.
So, I mean, people are going to feel the way that you want to feel, but I think you also need to take a little responsibility and understand who you are as a person.
And when you step into those areas, people are going to be on their defense and for a good reason and for actually multiple good reasons.
So, you know, if you're going to go into those areas and ask these type of questions, be prepared for what you're going to get because these communities have suffered a lot and are continuing to suffer a lot.
And you just need to understand who you are walking into those spaces.
So you face different obstacles and threats than someone like me.
I always have to be aware.
You have to be aware when you go into specific areas.
And that's something I think a lot of people take for granted.
elijah schaffer
Is there anything that I could do to protect myself more from false accusations or different narratives and things that people spew on me just because I'm white?
unidentified
Are they all false accusations or are there a lot of truth to that?
elijah schaffer
Fully false.
unidentified
Fully false accusations like what?
elijah schaffer
Like I'm a racist when that's not true or I'm a Nazi because I ask questions about race and ideas or I want to have open discussion so I'm a hater, those kinds of things.
unidentified
Open discussion I think means that you maybe just need to go and be willing to just hear someone else's side.
elijah schaffer
That wouldn't be discussion, that's just listening.
unidentified
Sure.
Speech.
And I think that's something that a lot of white people should do right now.
think that's a great time to do that so I think if you're kind of shut up and listen Yeah, I think if you're going to step into those spaces, I think you should just shut up and listen sometimes.
I think inserting your opinion, especially in this political climate, especially the area that you're talking about.
elijah schaffer
It's kind of racism a little bit.
unidentified
Racism towards white people?
Do you think that's a real thing?
Because that's not.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I mean, look, my roommate here, he's black.
Mike, would you, would you?
He's not a token black guy.
just an educated black guy who thinks well um and so black guy is what i meant he's my he's my roommate We're actually very good friends.
unidentified
I know, but you don't understand the phrase I'm using, and that's okay.
mike lusso
It's demeaning to racist to call another black person a token.
unidentified
I did a token lateral for a black person for a lot of people.
mike lusso
It's very demeaning.
elijah schaffer
Can you let you explain this?
I want to see what that is.
mike lusso
No, but because I've been called it.
I knew if I walked by him.
I've been called token before, and I would actually tell people that the most racist derogatory terms I've been called are from other black people.
I've been called token.
I've been called Uncle Tom.
I've been called sellout.
I've been called House Negro, you know.
And I would say that's actually more derogatory to me.
unidentified
From black people?
mike lusso
Yeah, from black people.
And then to say that a white person can't experience racism when black people are calling other black people that.
unidentified
So you believe in reverse racism?
mike lusso
It's not reverse racism.
I think people hate people regardless of color.
unidentified
No what I'm saying, but what you just said specifically, you believe that black people can be racist to white people.
mike lusso
And black people and Asians and any other color.
unidentified
So you believe in reverse racism.
mike lusso
It's not reverse racism, it's just racism.
unidentified
No, it's okay, but it's definitely reverse racism, but that's fine.
It's okay.
So I believe, if you want to know, racism, I think people can be racist.
I think that when it's going back to white people, though, I think you can be discriminatory, but it's not racism.
Whatever we say to them is never going to have any more power than what they do to us because it's called there's institutionalized racism, which is something that black people directly suffer from.
mike lusso
So I guess that goes back to the definition.
Are you defining racism as prejudice plus power?
Yes, absolutely.
unidentified
Absolutely prejudice plus power.
So whatever we say to them isn't really going to have what?
How big of an effect is that going to have when they hold so much power, majority of the power.
mike lusso
But when you say that, you're assuming that, you're assuming that he has more power than you when you don't know.
unidentified
He does.
mike lusso
Oh my God.
So one of my childhood friends, he was white.
We grew up in the same neighborhood.
unidentified
Did you grew up around here?
mike lusso
No, I grew up in Pomona, California.
We grew up in the same neighborhood.
Every elementary, middle school, high school, we went to the same school together, got the same education, right?
So I went to university, he didn't.
He grew up without both parents in the home.
I did.
So in the terms of systematic oppression of black people, how did I get disadvantaged because of different circumstances, but none of those have to do with his skin?
unidentified
You realize that, right?
And none of them have to do with his skin color, and none of his problems will ever have to do with his skin color.
mike lusso
Okay, so why can't we say that?
Why can't we say the same thing with black people when the single motherhood rate in the black community is over 70%?
Why can't we say that the disadvantages of black people have nothing to do with the color of their skin, but disadvantages because of life decisions within the community?
unidentified
Yeah, that's funny, you know, I think I'm going to stop myself because I don't.
elijah schaffer
I just want to say it would be good for me if I shut up and listen.
What if I told you as a woman of color to shut up and listen?
That's kind of racist to me.
unidentified
America's always done that.
So, I mean, and they continue to do that.
So you wouldn't be saying anything different.
elijah schaffer
I'm not talking about America.
I mean, on a friendly term, like, I'm not America, you're not America.
There's someone named America, Fierah, but I meant, but you told me to shut up as a white guy and listen would be good.
What if I told that to you?
Wouldn't that be racism?
unidentified
Yes, it would be racism.
elijah schaffer
It's not racism to me when I'm when I'm.
What is it that you think is so stupid about this booth?
Let's talk about this sign right here.
What about the sign?
unidentified
You're saying you're like, it's cool.
Free speech is fantastic.
Speak all you want.
Just know that sometimes when you speak, you say stupid sh ⁇ .
elijah schaffer
And what are they saying stupid today?
unidentified
The wall supports legal immigration.
elijah schaffer
How does it not?
unidentified
How does it not?
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
unidentified
Divisiveness, creating borders between people.
I mean, there's already a f ⁇ ing order.
You don't need a giant fucking wall.
That's my tax dollars being wasted because of a bunch of white people who are afraid of losing money.
So what are they going to do to not lose money?
They're going to light money on fire and build a giant f ⁇ ing wall.
I don't know if you guys know, but there's ladders you can tunnel.
Like, and then the next argument to that is, oh, why don't we have the military go down there?
Oh, that's a fantastic idea.
Let's spend millions of dollars on soldiers sitting at the border waiting for, you know, hungry families to cross because that's totally like worth it.
elijah schaffer
Do you think it's mostly hungry families?
You know, it's mostly single men who are looking for economic opportunity, but don't are a low skill set, which could be a drain on the economy, and also come and get resources.
And if we just cut, if we just cut, I mean, the point about the wall is, is we have a problem with illegal immigration, right?
The Department of Homeland Security has suggested, and some numbers seem to be higher than this, that there's between 12 to 14 million illegal immigrants here currently that are living in the United States.
These are not made up.
These are from...
unidentified
You're saying they're all Mexican or they're all from...
elijah schaffer
Only about...
Only 55% are actually.
unidentified
So what are you going to do about the other 45%?
elijah schaffer
Most of them are coming in.
unidentified
White that you don't mind?
elijah schaffer
No, actually, most of the illegal immigrants here are not white.
unidentified
Okay, so where's the other 45% from?
elijah schaffer
A lot of people, actually, 44% are actually visa overstays, so it varies around the entire world.
unidentified
Why don't you get rid of a visa?
Why don't you build a wall?
You know what I mean?
So people can't come over here with their visas for too long.
elijah schaffer
Oh, we do.
I mean, they deported a few hundred thousand back to their countries last year, so I believe that as well.
I don't think you can cherry-pick one issue.
I think the point is there's not a lot of argument about reform in visas, which are trying to pass immigration reform in general.
The point is there's two parts, immigration reform, and also, like, for instance, saying that people have ladders would mean like me telling you don't put a door on your house because there's rams that could break your door down.
No, but it's like, don't put a door.
Someone could break your door down.
unidentified
That's the most ridiculous thing.
Why is that?
elijah schaffer
I mean, that's saying don't put a wall because there's a ladder.
unidentified
The problem with this country is that we fund wars and create refugees.
And then when refugees want to come here, because we've made money off of these wars, we deny them.
elijah schaffer
Okay, so let me tell you two points here.
Number one, a lot of what you're saying, even if I vary on a couple points, but actually where you're coming from, I agree with about us meddling and being too international, jumping around in proxy wars, funding things, having big money and big investors that are controlling the military and the people.
Well, some of them.
But considering the fact I'm not against asylum.
I'm not against us remedying some of the issues we've created.
I'm talking about right now to deter illegal crossings so that we can fix our borders and we can start working on problems on the inside, considering the fact that the entire cost of the wall is only a fraction of the amount of money we spend each year on social services for illegal immigrants.
unidentified
Yes.
Show me the data.
I want to see that.
elijah schaffer
Look at Department of Homeland Security.
Go to factcheck.org.
You go to factcheck.org.
unidentified
Film here.
I mean, you're the guy with the microphone.
Give me the data.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, here.
Let me get it.
unidentified
That's your phone.
elijah schaffer
Oh, I don't.
Actually, sorry, that's my phone.
My bad.
Do you have your phone?
If you have a phone?
unidentified
Oh, I do.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah, okay.
Well, we're going to, we're going to, you're going to have to go to a peer-reviewed site here.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, no, I don't.
I don't.
Okay.
I'm an educated guy.
unidentified
Here.
elijah schaffer
Just go, watch Google, right?
unidentified
Are you talking about department?
No.
Let's go to a place that isn't currently ran by a xenophobic, I mean...
elijah schaffer
Wait, we can't trust the government websites?
unidentified
No, no, that's ridiculous.
It's hard to talk to somebody when you can't even be relied upon to be factual.
elijah schaffer
I'm telling you, he's a nationalist, not an internationalist.
unidentified
Nationalism is disgusting.
I don't know if you know what World War I is, but that's what caused that.
So maybe you should read some books.
That'll help you.
elijah schaffer
Nationalism saves countries as well as improper nationalism could stop it.
unidentified
It caused World War I and World War II.
Do you not remember that?
elijah schaffer
Make rapes so are terrible.
unidentified
That's ridiculous.
elijah schaffer
What you're doing is you're saying, hey, something caused something, so now it's always bad.
unidentified
You can talk to the history department, political science department.
elijah schaffer
I wouldn't.
Wait, you don't trust the government websites, but you trust Orange Coast Community College professors?
unidentified
A lot of these professors here aren't only conservative.
None of them are only liberal, but there's a few things that they all agree on.
elijah schaffer
There's almost no platform or institution that's probably least trustworthy than college professors at the moment.
unidentified
I would say holes with microphones on the internet are pretty much the most unlikely source for valuable information.
elijah schaffer
Thank you.
unidentified
Now it's shown to yourself.
Okay, great.
elijah schaffer
I appreciate that.
So then let me ask you this, then back to the question then with the immigration wall.
Since I am an asshole with a microphone, yes, it's a good thing you keep it true.
It's a good thing that the question and the statement, you are what you eat, isn't true.
Also, this would be disgusting.
This would be disgusting.
unidentified
See, your argument would make sense if countries that weren't fully unionized, like Germany, Norway, so like, weren't kicking the sh of us when it comes to education, when it comes to degree, people actually holding it.
elijah schaffer
You're the number one economy in the entire world.
unidentified
Says who?
elijah schaffer
It says recent reports.
I want to say CNBC.
CNBC was even talking about that, that we surpassed.
We surpassed, look it up.
Look up, we're the top economy in the world.
Isn't that not true?
We just surpassed this last year.
It's not even this last year.
If you want to share the American values, why are you waving your country's flag as you're trying to come into the country?
unidentified
Well, I think it's kind of the same thing as people waving the Confederate flag.
Shouldn't be allowed here in the United States.
That's a traitorous flag.
elijah schaffer
I don't see anybody trying to illegally immigrate that waves a Confederate flag.
unidentified
No, I don't either.
That's true.
They're already here.
elijah schaffer
That's a different problem.
That's a completely different problem, though.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a big, look, I'm not, I know, but I'm saying I'm not, I'm not, I'm not talking about the Confederate flag here, and I'm not talking whether people, there's a very complicated argument behind that one.
But I'm saying specifically the you said a statue of liberty, and I'm saying that it's that it's your point was that you don't want immigrants coming here waving their flag.
No, that's not my point.
I meant if they need to share our values.
And so if you want our values are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and I believe that and usually Catholic.
unidentified
Most people from South America are usually Catholic.
I mean, I know that doesn't work with the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant angle that most of these people are probably going for a little bit, but it's a Christian angle, nonetheless.
And their values aren't.
elijah schaffer
A lot of them are low skill set.
So in our country, they are.
They're not.
Yeah, that's my point.
unidentified
I lived in Indiana for a little while.
elijah schaffer
But you're proving my point.
You're proving my point.
Why would we bring in more low skill set people when we have a problem epidemic in our own country of the same thing?
unidentified
See, there's like there's tentacles to this problem because one.
elijah schaffer
But simply, why?
unidentified
Why?
elijah schaffer
Like, why?
unidentified
Immigration also are against funding colleges.
Why do you think that is?
elijah schaffer
People who are against immigration are against funding colleges?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
Guys like Donald Trump, like they don't want to make, they don't want to make public school.
They don't like that.
They want to make schools private.
They don't want to give free college or at least how education in this country is a joke.
elijah schaffer
You even said it yourself earlier.
So why would we want to put more money into crap?
You literally said that Germany, all these countries are killing us on education.
unidentified
They are though.
elijah schaffer
So then that would mean that this is a joke here.
If other countries are killing us on our education.
unidentified
Joke if we put more money.
elijah schaffer
That's your words.
Exactly.
No, more money.
How does more money help a problem?
It's like throwing money in a fire.
If you have mismanagement, if you have mismanagement, if you have...
No, not like building a wall.
I don't know if you noticed it yet.
unidentified
They've been talking from like 40 years.
They've been trying to get me.
They're trying to make me slip up.
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