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Oct. 5, 2018 - Slightly Offensive - Elijah Schaffer
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Protestors ** FREAKOUT ** Over Ben Shapiro at USC

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elijah schaffer
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elijah schaffer
Cops and the Klan go hand in hand.
Cops and the Klan go hand in hand.
No, I would not like Green Hags and Ham.
So we're walking over to the Ben Shapiro event.
We're going to see what they're protesting and what it is that they're upset about.
Why a little short Jew makes them mad.
Hey, it made Hitler mad too.
USC is obviously one of the most renowned universities in California, right?
It's highly esteemed.
So don't you think it's sort of fascist to try to block and take people out that think differently than we do?
unidentified
It's...
no.
Wait, well, hold on.
elijah schaffer
Alright, what's your name?
unidentified
What are you doing?
My name's Terrence.
elijah schaffer
Alright, Terrence, so are you against Ben Shapiro or for Ben Shapiro?
unidentified
I'm against Ben Shapiro.
elijah schaffer
Okay, and what reasons do you have to be against him?
unidentified
I don't know.
Same reasons all of these people are here to be against me.
elijah schaffer
Which are?
unidentified
Because I'm standing with immigrants, black lives, also LGBTQ people, as well as Muslims.
And I actually want to see these people succeed.
A. For starters, Shapiro has said things that are beyond reasonably just aside.
Like the guy just said before.
elijah schaffer
Not what he said, but what do you know that he actually said?
Can't believe a guy in a megaphone.
unidentified
Why can't I believe a guy in a megaphone?
My personal opinion is that we have freedom of speech, and everybody should be able to say what they want to say.
If it's deemed as hate speech, it's illegal.
But until I reach that threshold, it should be free speech.
It's protected by the First Amendment right.
elijah schaffer
So what defines hate speech?
unidentified
Speech that would incite violence almost directly.
elijah schaffer
What's up, man?
So you're holding a sign.
What does your sign say?
Or what does your sign say?
Does anybody want to share?
unidentified
Fascist or not, the fact is you don't see a lot of very left-leaning speakers coming to, like, super left-leaning, like, whether it be socialists or anything like that, coming to university.
elijah schaffer
You don't think socialists come to universities?
unidentified
I don't see a lot of them come to universities.
It's certainly not publicized the way it is when.
elijah schaffer
No, because it wouldn't be publicized because they would be accepted.
Socialism is being pushed on college campuses.
unidentified
I don't think that's true.
For him to assert that his feelings matter the most is a little ridiculous to me in a situation where... I don't think he says that.
I like...
It's basically what he says.
He disguises them as facts.
You know what I mean?
elijah schaffer
So you think most of his platform is just his opinions and feelings disguised as facts?
unidentified
Exactly.
Say things like, oh, well, we should push Palestinians entirely out.
And, you know, when you actually want to say that it's okay to eradicate an entire population of people, I don't really see that being okay.
elijah schaffer
Does he say that we should eradicate the Palestinians?
unidentified
Do you say that we should push Palestinians entirely out?
I mean, is that not the same as saying that we should eradicate?
elijah schaffer
Eradicate would be a genocide.
unidentified
Oh, it's not the same to push them all out?
elijah schaffer
I mean, I'm talking about probably talking about maybe a land.
unidentified
Do you need to say specifically, oh, we should kill all of them?
Or is that more aligned with eradication?
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I would assume so, like, just personally.
unidentified
I wouldn't, I disagree.
elijah schaffer
But that, in your opinion, you would feel by saying to push them out or to put them in their own state or for another state to absorb them would be the same thing as a genocide.
unidentified
Yes, I agree.
His statements on the Israel and Palestine conflict bug me.
Just because in general, the lack of nuance on both sides of that conflict and discussion around that conflict sort of bugs me.
But I don't know.
The notion that I don't feel comfortable speaking on that, but the fact is, if he leans so strongly one way, the point where he's advocating for the genocide of others, and that bugs me.
elijah schaffer
I don't think he's advocating for genocide.
unidentified
It's what he is, though.
He might not phrase it that way.
elijah schaffer
But secretly, maybe he's sort of a racist bigot, but he paints himself to be an intellectual thinker.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
He hides those kind of bigoted messages in his life.
elijah schaffer
Is there any way for us to try to determine what those bigoted messages are?
unidentified
you think um well i mean us to determine what they are Yeah, like, how do we know his heart?
It's usually obvious.
I remember another thing that I was supposed to do that he said, which was institutional racism doesn't exist?
Or institutional racism?
elijah schaffer
Where does it exist?
unidentified
Where does it exist?
In, like, lower-income communities.
elijah schaffer
Where are laws?
Where are institutional laws that institute racism?
unidentified
institutional laws that institute racism.
Well, I mean...
Hey, what's up?
Hello.
I mean, I remember in Baltimore, I don't remember the details of this at all, so don't try to use me as some kind of example of the left doesn't know what they're talking about, this kind of thing.
What does it mean to be fascist?
Like, what do we all believe is to be fascist?
Like, what is that?
What is that?
elijah schaffer
So, that's usually a dictator government that sort of controls the economy and information, control of information.
And while people have some personal freedoms, ultimately, the government has rights above the people and works to try to shut out people who disagree with them to have a powerhold upon an autocracy.
unidentified
Okay.
Has he not advocated for a stronger government?
elijah schaffer
No, he's against government.
unidentified
He's against government?
elijah schaffer
Small government guy.
unidentified
He's a small government guy.
Oh, shit, I'm going to have my facts entirely wrong.
But that's not what I last saw from the videos that I've watched.
elijah schaffer
He's a Republican, like traditional conservative, so they believe in shrinking regulation in the government down entirely.
unidentified
Okay.
That's new to me.
It's like liquor stores and gun stores being on every street corner in a place like Compton.
You know what I mean?
And it's advertising on higher levels, pushing people in those.
elijah schaffer
Which institution could we change to stop that?
unidentified
Which institution could be changed?
elijah schaffer
To stop liquor stores.
I don't think there's gun stores in every corner in Compton.
I don't think I've been there.
There's not.
Do you think that trying to stop someone from speaking, even if they disagree with you, is a good idea for the future of colleges in the United States of America?
unidentified
I think.
elijah schaffer
Should we be allowed to talk about communism on college campuses?
So this is Elijah now in a studio, and I'm speaking from Hollywood.
Because what we're about to do is, see, we run into this shim-looking he-she.
You can't tell the gender of this person, and you no wonder why liberals have a hard time telling gender because they can't tell how they look.
And we were walking away, and suddenly this guy right here with the cup of unknown liquid peers out of the bushes.
And not only is the drink unidentifiable, but again, here we have another person with an unidentifiable gender.
It looks like a man, but if it was a woman, I mean, it had long hair, it was weird looking.
But look at that look of evil.
I'm not sure if we've talked to this person before, if they've heard false things about who we are and what we do, but this is what we go through.
This man looked at us and he's obviously targeting us.
He comes up to my cameraman maliciously, and you see those eyes of evil.
And he actually assaults the cameraman in just a few seconds here and pours that drink all over my $3,000 camera.
And right here, boom, hits him, pours the drink into the camera.
The camera immediately starts to get messed up.
You can watch as the lens immediately dips out of focus.
The motherboard is getting fried.
In a second here, we get some hope, and the camera starts to come back into focus.
And so we're trying to fix it.
Obviously, the guy ran away like every sort of shim lord does.
And you can start to see, and there you go.
The camera is officially dead.
So this would be my third camera now that they fried.
And we went from filming with this right here, which is a wonderful camera bought by a donor, to filming now with this.
But the cool thing is, is my fiancé encouraged me to keep shooting.
We didn't stop shooting, even though they destroyed a $3,000 camera.
And we are not going to stomp this fight, even if they bully us.
Do you think that it's good for the future of colleges in America to limit the ideas that we allow onto our college campuses?
unidentified
Definitely not, because colleges are supposed to have like a diversity of thought and for people to hash out ideas, but to say, oh no, you're not allowed here because your speech is bigoted.
I mean, that doesn't make sense, like at least have an argument of why it's bigoted or why you don't like that to refute it.
elijah schaffer
This sort of like he, she, femme looking, you know, you can't tell what gender they are, but they're probably a guy, comes over and pours juice all over our camera.
Doesn't even know who we are or where we come from.
What do you think is the danger of people starting to fight ideas with violence?
unidentified
Fascism.
Police say.
Basically, if they had their way, they would use the police.
It's not that they don't like the police, it's they want the police to be used for their benefit.
And so they would actually, you go.
You see what they're saying, cops in a pigs in a blanket.
Cops in the clan.
elijah schaffer
Cops and the clan go hand in hand.
Where did they get this?
unidentified
It's leftist ideology.
It's just at the end of the day, it's not that they want equality.
They don't want equality.
They want to be the oppressors now.
So basically what happens is they've created a narrative where people want, they have created oppressors and oppress, even though it's fake.
And so they don't want equality anymore.
They want to be the ones to oppress now.
And that's how they get to equality.
That it's their turn to oppress people.
And that's why this is a form of oppression.
To say you cannot have speech, you know, no matter who you are.
It's a disgusting.
And honestly, I think it's kind of anti-Semitic that they're hating against a Jew.
Like Adam over here, he's Guatemalan.
I'm half black, half Mexican, so we're more diverse than, like, all these, like...
elijah schaffer
There's a lot of white people telling minorities that they're oppressed.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
And a lot of white people just still, again, white guilt is just putting white people at the front of the conversation.
The dialogue is still about white people.
And so all they've done is turned it into a pity party.
And they're not changing.
They're not about minorities.
They're about themselves.
And that's the key thing.
They're on a pedestal and they're doing what they think is best for themselves.
unidentified
I was talking to Adam about this earlier and basically even admitting you have white guilt or white privilege, you're looking down on minorities saying, here, let me help you because I'm white.
And that seems like a bit racist too.
elijah schaffer
Hey guys, so she's in YAF and she's half black, she's in YAF.
unidentified
I'm half black, half Mexican.
Am I a racist?
elijah schaffer
So is she a racist?
Is she a racist?
I mean, you know, their board is majority women and they have a bunch of minorities.
YAF is minority and women.
So wait, what are you doing?
So why are we protesting women and minorities?
unidentified
Like, she's YAF.
Am I a racist?
elijah schaffer
So like, and right here, he's Guatemalan.
This guy, this guy.
unidentified
My parents were immigrants, actually.
Both of them came from Central America.
Illegally, actually.
elijah schaffer
But you're the racist.
unidentified
But I guess.
elijah schaffer
Because it's what we say on a megaphone.
unidentified
We believe in freedom.
I guess we're racist.
Right.
elijah schaffer
So what do you say to people who are minorities as a white person and you're calling their organization sort of like a white supremacist group?
Doesn't that kind of make you look silly?
Does it make you guys look kind of dumb?
unidentified
I just want to personally thank you for my.
elijah schaffer
Like, do you have an opinion?
Like, really?
Like, these are YAF board members and they're minorities.
And people are saying that they're the bad people, like white supremacists and stuff.
Isn't that silly?
unidentified
We want to know.
Like, we're genuinely asking.
We are YAF members.
Are we racist?
No?
elijah schaffer
But like, you gotta have an answer, right?
Like, something?
Like, like, just an argument, like, why are they racist?
Are they not?
Like, why would they, if it was white supremacy, why would they be on the board if it was white supremacy?
Can we get an answer?
unidentified
I'm not.
I'm not giving you all an answer.
You're all just starting something to squawk.
Well, what are we serving?
We're not the ones protesting here.
elijah schaffer
We're just trying to find out why they're racist.
They're YAF.
This is YAF right here.
They're Guatemalan black.
Yeah, they're the ones who put on the Shapiro thing.
So why are they, these are the peak kind of people.
unidentified
Yeah, we're from the chapter.
Our sister chapter put it on.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, so why are they like, they're like women and minorities, but like why are they racists?
Like I don't get this.
Like when the facts are in front of us.
unidentified
We have to go.
I mean we're YAF.
elijah schaffer
You said you have to go.
So why do minorities need to leave?
Like why do minorities have to go?
Like you guys want minorities to leave.
This is YAF.
You said they should go.
So why should minorities and women leave?
This is the contradiction.
unidentified
It's like you should go.
That's what happened when you came here.
elijah schaffer
I never came here.
unidentified
You should leave.
elijah schaffer
I've never came here.
unidentified
You were.
You were just over there.
Who am I?
Your camera got destroyed, didn't it?
elijah schaffer
Yeah, by the guy.
unidentified
You should leave.
elijah schaffer
Is that a threat?
unidentified
We're talking about you.
elijah schaffer
Why are you threatening me?
unidentified
Leave.
elijah schaffer
Why are you threatening me?
I don't need to leave.
Yeah, I have a right to be here.
I'm not leaving.
I'm here with minorities.
I mean, he's telling me I need to leave.
But I mean, look, he just said, he said, look, what happened to your camera?
You see that intimidation and threats is what it is.
They're saying, hey, see what?
unidentified
They're the ones who are being violent.
elijah schaffer
I preach it's a felony, right?
It's $3,000.
unidentified
What is it like?
Ideology.
It's to get to the great, to get to the greater good.
You have to use any means necessary.
To them, the ends justify the means.
elijah schaffer
Come here, come here.
unidentified
Come here.
elijah schaffer
Who's the racist?
Who's the racist?
Hold up.
unidentified
Just go home.
elijah schaffer
Racists go home.
Racists go home.
unidentified
They got him.
Oh, shoot.
elijah schaffer
They got him.
All right, they got him.
They got him.
They got Fleck Us.
They got Austin Fletcher.
He's the racist.
unidentified
Oh, shoot.
elijah schaffer
Dude, where are the racists at?
Where are they at?
unidentified
Shoot.
elijah schaffer
Wait, where are they going?
unidentified
You can be there as much as they do.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, so what do you think about this?
I'm trying to push out.
Do you know that guy in the hat?
unidentified
No, I don't know that guy in the hat, but I know he's just talking, bro.
Like, there's no reason.
Look, everybody here has a reason to be here, and they all have a right to fight here, but so does he.
He gets to say his rights just as much as these people get to say their rights.
elijah schaffer
I think you can't interview you.
They're sent as literal Nazis and white supremacists compared to figurative Nazis and white supremacists, which is actually who they're fighting against.
There's nothing literal about this.
We're filming on a phone now because they destroyed our camera.
The problem with free speech is that you can destroy the tools, but you can't destroy the brains behind them.
Even if you kill the people, you will not be able to kill the ideas.
And that's what we're finding out here, is they will try to destroy your things.
Next, they're going to come after you.
But at the same time, what can these people do?
Don't be pushed back by their threats.
Don't be intimidated by their attacks.
If they're going to push against you, resist peacefully.
And do not let them intimidate you.
This is for all of you MAGA, all of you free people, all of you progressives, all of you leftists, right-wing.
Don't let other people intimidate you away from fighting for the ideas that are convicted to your heart and the values of this country.
Even if you come against the values of this country, you have the right in this country to speak freely.
And these people don't believe that.
And that's why we're reporting this here.
So what's up?
So are you here to protest with them or are you just spectating?
unidentified
I'm here to protest with them as well as to spectate.
elijah schaffer
Awesome.
So what do we find are the main views of Ben Shapiro that people disagree with?
unidentified
Well, I'd just like to say it's extremely disrespectful for you to come up to me and start talking to me out of context, but I also...
elijah schaffer
Wait, I just asked you a question.
unidentified
I completely...
I completely disagree with his marginalization of people of color and the fact that a lot of his positions do come from a position of superiority and a position of privilege.
I don't think he shares the same experiences as people of color, and so I don't think he has the right to say certain things about certain issues.
elijah schaffer
So right here, and this is an honest question that I want to know.
Why is it that he just said those who are forced come closer so that we can, you know, what did he mean?
Like, why would you want to separate?
What are they trying to separate?
If they're looking for unity and they're against segregation, why are they trying to separate the people that think the same versus people that think differently?
unidentified
Oh, no, there is not any type of separation.
It's terms of like, when people are not coming against with the same ideas, they are not going to want to integrate with each other.
And so that's the thing that a lot of white people, I'm sorry, but not to offend you, but like a lot of white people do not like to do, like integrating and like kind of like contacting and having that understanding in terms of like boundary lines, because that's kind of the foundation of like being integrated in society and being progressive in society.
Because like, in order for you to like really understand another person's perspective, you have to like kind of have that interaction and have that understanding of one another.
elijah schaffer
So yeah, they poured juice all over our camera in the middle of an interview.
Yeah, and I know that's not, that's not everybody but then that sucks because then for people like me, it sucks, because then it it just sucks because it's three, it's a three thousand dollar camera.
People, can I get you to denounce some of that stuff, by the way, like because can I, can I, can you?
Just people will think people will watch that and you know this, they'll think oh, that's how all the protesters were.
They're all wanting to break this kind of wait.
unidentified
What I thought we were just talking sibling.
What we're doing right, trying to understand, like a nice protest.
elijah schaffer
You stand here without talking past, right?
So hi, so we're just trying to understand.
unidentified
I'm so not interested actually.
I'm just like, what's up over here?
What are you?
elijah schaffer
Oh, nothing we're.
We actually know each other okay.
unidentified
Yeah, just heard something was going on over here.
Want to check it out?
I'm not interested in talking.
elijah schaffer
Oh okay cool yeah, nothing's going on over here.
All right great, thank you.
Free Palestine.
Thank you, let me go with you to party.
Awesome, awesome.
Do you mind if I ask you a bit about your sign?
It says hate speech does not equal free speech, and so where do we demarcate the difference between hate speech and free speech?
unidentified
Um, i'm not in a talkative mood right now.
elijah schaffer
Thank you okay, awesome.
That was a good interview.
It was great.
unidentified
It's one of the best ones we've had.
elijah schaffer
Let's get a look at the sign here.
Let's go get a sign.
What does the sign say?
Stand with immigrants, black lives Muslims, Lgbtq people and low-wage workers, which are all people I stand with.
Cops in the clan, go hand in hand.
Cops in the clam, go hand in hand.
No, I would not like green haggs and ham.
No, I would not like them.
Sam, I am.
No, I would not like them.
Green eggs and ham.
unidentified
So we're marching, why?
elijah schaffer
I don't know why I?
I don't know why we're marching and I don't know what it is that we're against.
We want justice and nice.
My humanity is not debatable.
They're angry, they're pissed and i'm not sure what it is.
Mostly, I mean shut it down, shut it down, do it.
What are you gonna shut down?
So I mean that the thing about this is is, as I don't understand what in particular, they're trying to shut down nice, oh no hey, you guys are cool they're, they're weak.
What are they protesting?
They're protesting free speech.
It doesn't even make sense at this point.
They're they're, they're protesting free speech.
It they're they're they're yeah, it's.
It doesn't even make sense.
What are they doing?
What's up guys?
Dude, what's up guys?
unidentified
What's up?
Good good, see you guys.
elijah schaffer
Right down with hey, down with down with what?
Um slight, slightly offensive, I don't know.
Yes yes yes, what's up bro?
They destroyed my camera.
unidentified
We're on a phone.
elijah schaffer
It's the best.
We love this.
We love the free speech.
But that's it.
Dude, what's up, bro?
Dude, good to see you, bro.
They destroyed our camera.
I don't know.
unidentified
Cool.
elijah schaffer
They're down down with the hate.
Dude, what's up, bro?
unidentified
Hey, love you.
elijah schaffer
Dude, these are the best they got, bro.
All right, this is the best they got.
No fascist, guys.
No fascists, right?
Yeah, whatever.
Dude, what's up, bro?
They broke our camera.
unidentified
Now we have to film on a phone.
elijah schaffer
They broke our camera.
They poured juice on us.
I love you so much.
Dude, I love you, bro.
They broke our camera.
unidentified
But, right.
elijah schaffer
It's the same thing.
It's the same thing.
They're always saying the same thing.
And Trump's still their president.
Trump is still their president.
They hate him, but he's their president.
You guys, there's that thing.
unidentified
Ho.
What?
elijah schaffer
What are you doing?
unidentified
Go that way.
elijah schaffer
Gotta help him.
Gotta help him.
What?
A guy came from your group and poured it on us.
The ponytail from your group in black.
unidentified
Yes.
elijah schaffer
He came and poured juice on us on our camera at a broke and fried our camera.
Speak in regards to him.
unidentified
I didn't.
elijah schaffer
I am.
I am.
unidentified
Yeah.
Do not pay them attention, students.
Let's go.
elijah schaffer
Go!
unidentified
Do not yell.
Any attention?
Let go!
room.
elijah schaffer
No one's.
Yeah, I'm just free speech, yeah.
Just go, leave, leave, leave.
I mean, when you're ugly and you're in college, you have too much time on your hands, might as well protest.
Well, we only lost one camera today.
You lost your microphone too?
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