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Timmy the Trash Can Intro00:09:38
Hi, I'm Timmy the Trash Can, and I love trash.
Popcorn boxes, pops, and candy wrappers.
Mm, they all taste so good.
Instead of throwing your trash on the floor, won't you please give it to me?
Thank you for considering your fellow patrons.
Welcome to the Tim Dylan show, everybody, live from the Tuscany Hotel of St. Giles or St. Gilles Hotel in New York City.
What the fuck does St. Gilles mean?
I don't know.
That's what it says, the Tuscany, a St. Gilles Hotel, God.
St. Giles.
And I'm here with Raymond Comba.
He secured this hotel for $215 a night on Hotel Tonight, which does not advertise on the show.
No.
But it's good.
It's a good service.
There's a lot of amenities here.
There's no amenities, but the room is large.
It's a nice, spacious room.
It's got a nice brown feel to it.
It's a shit feel.
Yeah.
I mean, when we came in here before when you checked in, we were hitting here for like a half an hour.
You had a spot to go to.
Like she was waiting for us in the closet.
It was made.
Yeah.
She's like, I'm going to clean now.
It's like, you know, she was expecting a river of shit in the middle.
Yeah.
You fuck him good.
Yes.
What is there?
Shit, blood?
What do I have to deal with?
Right.
We checked in and they were like, I need his name.
And Ray's like, I'm not flying over.
I'm not, we're not doing nothing.
And the lady was like, yeah, whatever you want to say.
I need your name.
You can say whatever you want.
He's not my daddy.
You go up, you fuck each other.
I don't care what you do.
I need your name.
Yeah, she's seen worse than us.
Yeah.
Not much.
Not much.
Interesting hotel.
Empty restaurant downstairs.
Nobody's here.
It's a nice, the steakhouse is nice, just empty.
It's got a nice vibe.
I got three double espresso.
It's like five double espresso in the lobby.
Yeah.
You know, they're getting real nervous.
They're like, this guy's about to drop dead.
I might cut someone in the lobby.
He's doing some serious espresso drinking.
A friend of mine sent their parents to my show.
I did a brunt show at the stand at 4 p.m.
And these are like, you know, high-end people, upper crust.
They make a little dough.
What?
They make a little dough.
They got a couple of shekels.
And they said to me, the father said to me, he goes, hey, listen, I love these gestures.
One of the things that me and Ray love is the empty gesture.
And we always fantasize about capitalizing on it immediately and making the person feel just like, because he would send the person into a panic attack.
They'd go into panic mode.
If you just on a dime, we're like, yeah, I'll take you up on that.
So he says to me, he goes, listen, if you ever come back to New York, just know that you have a place to stay with us because we've got two empty rooms.
And I felt like going, great, I'll cancel my hotel.
I'll get my bet.
I'll see you at the place.
You have a car?
Me and Ray are going there right now.
Now, Ray also needs to stay there.
And listen, minimum six months.
You can't ask him to leave before six months.
You got any bandages?
Yeah.
He needs medical attention.
Bring him into your home.
So me and Ray thought it'd be funny if you showed up at their house just fighting like drunk.
Just fucking fisting each other.
You bitch.
Are we staying here or not?
You said we could stay.
I'm just slurring.
As soon as we walk in, you turn around to the family and you go, I don't know about Tim.
You keep an eye on him.
I think he's trying to steal.
Now, I'll do what I can to watch them, but I need help.
A place like that, do they have little things to steal that are worth money?
I mean, whatever.
You know, the rich better than me.
I mean, we'd be looking for a safe.
They have little knickknacks, like porcelain knickknacks.
I mean, I don't think they have that.
I've been in there.
I don't think there's any porcelain knickknacks.
What is the jewelry?
If you knock over a place like that, besides jewelry, is the silverware worth money?
I mean, it would depend on the type of people.
Sometimes there's a safe with some petty cash.
Sometimes there's some jewelry.
Right.
I don't think there's a ton of shit in there, particularly, you know, that particular place.
I love that we're talking about robbing them.
What can we get?
I just love the idea of that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, you are good.
I'm going to come tonight.
I'm staying tonight.
Red can stay too, right?
They'd be like, yeah.
I mean, they'd go along with it, right?
They would go along with it, which is hilarious.
Why don't we play?
All you do is play the long game.
Why don't you ever play the short game?
Play the short game?
You're right.
Get a nice little fucking smash and grab.
Yeah.
What if this crazy as we are?
They got even crazier.
Like, what if we walked in drunk and we're like, you want to fuck?
And they're like, Dewey.
Clothes started coming off.
Put the strap on.
Then we'd have to fuck them.
Yeah.
I mean, that would be great if they called our bluff.
Like, if they looked at us and they said, you can stay at the house.
But I'll tell you one thing.
We're all fucking.
Like, we're all playing chicken.
And we're like, well, we're fucking.
Neither one of us can get hard.
They start spitting on us.
Spitting on us.
Hitting each other with whips.
Friend of mine told me a crazy Epstein story about a family that was connected to Epstein.
The day he died, somebody out in the Hamptons ran into their kitchen before the news broke and they had like this big meeting and kicked everybody out.
Wow.
Yeah.
I'm going to have that friend repeat it, but I can't say it on the show.
I also forget the name of the family and I can't say it on the show.
It was Warren Buffett.
It was Warren Buffett.
I want to play the new national anthem of this country, by the way.
I want to play this national anthem because you're a lover of music, Raymond.
I mean, I make my own music now.
Now you're making EDM.
Yeah.
What this is an interesting progression.
Right.
Because you worked at a morgue.
Yeah.
And then a mosquito lab.
And now you edit for a media conglomerate.
Don't forget the prison.
You worked at a prison.
Okay.
I figured Moore covered that, but you're right.
Now, how did you become an EDM DJ?
Well, I've always flirted with synthesizers and making techno music.
I've come in and out of it.
I built the synthesizer when I was in high school.
You built?
Sort of.
I mean, it was just like kind of like used parts from Radio Shack.
You built a synthesizer.
I had a voltage controlled oscillator.
It made noises.
It wasn't a great synth.
It wasn't like an expensive.
You couldn't use it to make good music.
But I was a handy guy.
And I was never very good.
If I showed you my old tracks, they were terrible.
They were unlistenable almost.
But you're really proud of the new music you're making.
I think I made a big leap.
You do not have the.
I told you, some of them are pretty good.
And if you were like a young, skinny white guy and you had maybe a hot, dark-skinned black girlfriend, you could do something in the EDM community and you were young and hey.
What figure we could do in Millie?
You have always LA young boys, you know, young guys.
Very few of them are from LA.
All right, but you know young guys.
You know good-looking young guys.
So you're saying give them the EDM music and let you be the puppet master.
Right.
Like the whole who's the guy who we had with the Backstreet Boys, Lou Perlas.
Lou Perlmas.
You be the Perlman for EDM DJ.
Yeah.
Who do you think is a puppet master for this?
I want to play this.
This is Doja Cat, who does this song Juicy, who's a very talented young woman.
I feel like it's just like, it really is more like, say something, you white motherfucker.
Criticize me.
I mean, like, they really call him the bluff here.
The people at Juilliard have to be insane, right?
Like, the people studying music have to be mentally ill.
I don't know.
I mean, I tapped out of this shit like years ago, but I don't know what to make of it.
I mean, you were into Cardi B. You were into.
She's fun.
I mean, it can be fun.
You're into Lizzo.
I mean, this does nothing for you.
Well, Lizzo's talented.
She can sing.
Sure.
I mean, what is the other song, the Doja Cat song?
Juicy?
Is it good?
Good.
All right.
Have you never heard it?
No, I don't know Juicy.
You've never heard Juicy?
I might have heard.
Juicy, Juicy.
I eat that lunch.
They played at the Taco Bell.
Okay.
Scotchy.
It's better than the other one.
Okay, that much.
Well, the other ones are riffing.
Maybe that'll become a great song.
I have no investment in any of that.
Like, what is good and what isn't good?
You know, I just love the idea that there is still a good.
Juicy Song and Taco Bell00:09:25
Right.
And that there's still like, I love the idea that people are striving to be good at things.
In this climate, it's funny to me.
That makes me laugh.
I feel like most art nowadays is literally just like the, whatever you want to call it, illuminality, the deep state, whatever you want to call it.
Just shoving stuff in your face, going like, this is a new week.
Like, this is like, it's just an act of submission.
Like, submit to this.
My twink is calling.
Oh.
You want to pause this?
No, I'll take it.
Okay.
Hi.
Why'd you say all shit?
I'm podcasting.
That's all right.
You're anonymous.
Say hello to Ray.
Ray is podcasting with me.
Hi, how are you?
Not much.
How you doing?
He's chilling?
Get us blonde's garbage.
You got to get the harp logger.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can I call you after we're done?
All right, buddy.
Thank you.
He's not my twink.
I don't own him.
He's our twink.
I don't want to start being like that guy.
You rent him.
I don't rent.
Raymond, please.
How soon will it be to politicians start answering questions like that?
You know?
What are we going to do here?
How are we going to ensure that people have health?
I spit on the cock.
I mean, I just love the idea that like someone has to look at kids with a straight face and go, work hard.
Okay?
Get great.
Master your craft.
I mean, how do you do it?
I mean, what do you say to kids now?
I sit my kids down and go, son, it's a big casino.
I don't know.
Play.
The air is going to be toxic in 10 years.
You're not going to need to.
They're going to get it.
They get it.
Like the way we look at boomers now, what do you think they're going to think of us?
What?
Like our kids, the generation after what did you call them?
When we look at boomers.
Boomer.
What did you say, though?
I thought you said burners.
Boomers, I said.
Oh, okay.
I thought he said burners, like people that went to Burning Man.
That's anyway.
We look at people that are burners.
Call a Burning Man.
That's me.
I just think it's funny.
I'm having fun with it.
You got to have fun.
Right.
Anyone upset about anything now?
You're living in a Terry Gilliam film.
Just enjoy it.
Just enjoy the end.
And maybe it's not the end.
I don't always want to be negative.
It's the next thing.
People are like, oh, why would you have kids?
What are they going to do when the climate starts changing?
You burn them to death.
Who cares?
You set them on fire.
Let them figure it out.
Our boomer parents didn't care.
They fed us poison and sent us out into the world with no fucking money.
I think it'd be hilarious if we did just keep telling them like, no, it's a meritocracy.
Yeah, everything's fine.
Repeat after me.
Flippity blippity blah.
I mean, it is what it is, man.
Like, I did this podcast with Logan Paul.
All these guys were like, I can't believe you're doing a podcast with Logan Paul.
I can't believe you and Theo would talk to that guy and have my, I hope you just roast him.
I hope you.
And I'm like, no, I'm going to ask him for a job, you dumb fox.
The idea of comics ridiculing YouTube stars, that's over.
What, you live in a mansion?
Yeah.
Yeah, what do you live at?
And you could say to a guy like that, hey, I think your content sucks.
He'd go, yeah, it's not great.
They don't care.
Like, the shit you people care about, they don't care.
That's why they're living in mansions.
The things that concern you don't concern them.
That's why they're in the.
I just think it's so funny that I'm going to get up there with my shitty fucking career and start talking shit to this guy.
Hey, buddy, I'm the real deal.
I'm a comic.
I perform a governor's comedy club in Long Island.
You bitch.
What do the Pauls do?
I know they went to the suicide farm and they make videos on YouTube.
Like Slumber Party shit.
Who knows?
I don't really watch it.
I don't find them unattractive.
Maybe we could be the Paul Brothers.
I would love if we started a...
Are they fuckforce 10 or whatever?
Team 10 is Jake.
Logan is Logang.
Okay.
Oh, he has one thing.
He's got Logang.
He's fighting KSI, this black YouTuber from the UK.
It's a major event.
They're selling out the Staples Center.
Oh, actually, fighting him.
You're a boxer.
Oh, yeah.
And they're selling out the Staples Center in L.A. I'm hawking CBD oil on a podcast, and you want me to go shit on him.
What world are you in?
What OA fantasy land do you fucking people live in?
Where I'm, oh, you're going to really give it to him, huh?
What?
Like ONA who stopped doing that five years before they went up to the airport?
No, I'm going to ask him for a job as a janitor at his property, as a gardener.
You know?
I hope he takes pity on me.
Are there 10 guys in Team 10?
They were chicks and guys.
I'm not a scholar of Team 10.
Okay.
I'm not saying, first of all, I want to tell anyone this.
I'll talk to anyone on a podcast except a member of my own family.
We've been clear about that.
I'm not endorsing the content, what the kids do.
I don't know what they do.
He was a very nice kid.
He's not an idiot.
Everyone says he's an idiot because he's not an, I don't know that I, I wouldn't call him an intellectual.
I wouldn't say he's a deep and contemplative guy, but what do I know?
Did you get that vibe?
I think he's a lot smarter than people think he is.
Did you get that vibe the way people who meet with Kissinger get like, oh, you're a president?
They're like, oh, like, you could tell you're talking.
Yeah, he's got a Kissinger vibe, right?
That's exactly what he has.
That's a good way to say it.
Thank you.
No, but it's, I remember when comics used to ridicule YouTube people.
And stand-up comics would ridicule the idea of being a social media.
You know where those people are now.
They're a month away from homeless.
They're performing in casinos.
They're performing to half-empty rooms of people.
They are babbling about the craft of comedy and a podcast with nine listeners.
No one cares.
This is the reality.
Of course, the Paul Brothers just starts.
Trump is the president.
Who's going to be a star?
I mean, I still have a chance, maybe.
Yes, I've never doubted that.
We should have had, I look at some good-looking guys and I go, why are you even trying to be comedians?
Just jump on a bed in your underwear.
They do these things.
They're like, let me do a video about 10 things girls do that piss me off.
That's what they'll do.
That's what a YouTube star will do.
He'll be like, these are 10 things, five things girls do that I find really cute and five things that girls do that piss me off.
So let's practice.
You're a YouTube star.
You're on your bed.
You're in your undies.
You got your shirt off.
And now I've said to you, all right, tell me five things girls do that you don't really love.
Expect me to pay when I go out to dinner.
You got to smile and be kind of cute with it.
You know, they fucking, they look at my dick all weird.
They think my dick's weird.
They get mad when I can't get hard.
I try to get hard.
They just got to lay there.
I'm like the social media manager because they do exist and they have to like tell these kids what to do a little bit.
They're usually like gay men who are clearly taking advantage of these kids.
There's a great documentary called Jawline on Hulu about it where this gay guy just has a house of twinks and he just orders to make these videos.
Oh, okay.
But the manager will be like, all right, Ray, that's good.
But we, you know, the reality here is we want to be a little more positive.
It's about positivity and it's about people feeling good.
So even though these are things that girls do that make you mad, we want them to feel silly and lighthearted and we don't want them to really feel depressed and make people want to kill themselves.
Do you understand what I mean?
Let's do another take.
Okay.
These whores wear ug boots to the bagel store.
All right.
Now, let's not call them whores because a lot of kids' parents are monitoring the content.
Okay.
So we don't want you to say they're whores right off the bat because someone might, a mother might be making dinner in the other room.
They hear that coming out of the backboard.
Now they're making the daughter unsubscribe.
Right.
Yes.
You see what I mean?
Yeah.
We got to just come in with a light touch.
You got to have a light touch.
Many of these girls are in their late teens.
And let's make no lie, they're fantasizing about you.
Sure.
Of course.
All right.
So let's do another thing.
Five things that girls do that kind of irk you in a cute, light way.
Okay.
You know, they ask me what I do for a living.
Like, what's your fucking dad do?
Who the fuck is he?
You think it better than me?
Okay.
That's not the worst thing.
Okay.
I think we could take the fucks out.
Okay.
Here's what, here's, here's an example of one that I would do.
Right.
Okay.
Like, hey, you know, like when a girl, when a girl, you know, it's one of the things girls do that tick me off is like, you know, sometimes like they pretend to like not want something, but they really want it.
And I wish they would just come out and like really tell me what it is that they want.
Sandy Hook Statues Debate00:08:29
Oh, okay.
Do you see that's more the direction we're going?
You know?
Right.
Okay.
You got to watch the new doc jawline on Hulu.
Have you seen that?
It's about an aspiring influencer who lives in Tennessee.
I talked about it on the last episode.
And all of the girls that are into these social media stars, by the way, I thought these girls just wanted to get fucked.
All these girls are like, my father's in jail.
My mother works three jobs.
These social media guys are the only people who tell me not to cut myself.
I'm like, God, are we in a dark?
God, are we in trouble?
Like, is this why everyone went to go see the Beatles?
Is this why everybody went to go see the Beatles on Ed Silver?
Because they were cutting themselves and John Lennon was like, don't cut yourself, buddy.
Is that the only, is that what it was?
I mean, look, there was that famous Hendrix song who's like, you don't have to vomit to be a pretty girl.
Is that true?
You don't have to vomit.
I mean, what do you think about these guns?
What's going to go on now?
We got mass shooting after mass shooting after mass shooting.
I made this point.
Who cares?
I honestly think, you want my honest opinion?
Yeah.
We stop reporting on it.
Yeah.
We cover it up.
Right.
I really do feel like not worth the anxiety and stress, even though this sounds like a crazy take.
Dude, the pushback I get when I just asked the question.
Right.
How many massacres would it take for you to adjust the AR-15 policy?
How many would it be?
Would one a day, with three a day?
I'm not saying I know what's going to work.
I'm saying as a theoretical, philosophical question, how many a day would do it?
They, look, because they'll come back with AR-15 is the most popular gun in America.
Right.
And there's like 5 million people or 15 million of them out there or whatever.
It's like, yeah, sure, whatever.
But it's like, the reality is people, we're so much dumber than people give us credit for.
We're so much more like just animals.
And like, it's just literally like, oh, this is on TV.
I agree with a lot of libertarian ideas, but it doesn't work in a society where everyone's retarded.
Right.
Everyone is retarded.
And we're literally just mimicking shit.
Like, it's 30% of the population.
Like, it's like, if you just stop talking, these people are listening to flippin' blip and bloom.
Blah, And we're going to give them all guns?
I mean, the only thing to fucking baby talk.
My thing is not even being creative about it.
Right.
I wish they were the leave.
Like, how about you?
You're killing 20 people now with a clip?
Kill three, but do it in a way that stands out.
Fuck.
When the Columbine kids came out, like, they were new.
It was like a, they were kind of...
I think that's before the Matrix even.
The Matrix kind of ripped them off, it feels like they were kind of setting a standard with these trench coats and everything.
And no one's got any style anymore.
You know what I mean?
Why not just have like, yeah, it sounds like an awful tape.
Yeah, Trench Cole Mafia had a fashion stage.
Right.
Right.
Nope.
Great point.
Nobody has an aesthetic.
Yes.
Yes.
And it's just like, yeah, I mean, and I'm not saying like, why not like kill a couple people, but do it in a crazy way?
And you're going to go, oh, don't give people wear like matching outfits.
Yes.
Do you give any credence?
Now we're going to get in trouble.
But do you give any credence when there's like reports of multiple shooters in places and it's always just one guy?
What is the deal with that?
I think I'm going to ask you.
Yeah.
Because I watch people go, oh, yeah, there was multiple shooters.
There's shooters here.
There's shooters there I saw.
I think, look, I mean, what's happening?
I think most likely it's people who have no concept of how, and most people have concept of how the acoustics of gunshots work.
But there are people that say, I saw a guy dressed in full gear and it was not like.
I mean, look, do you believe?
Here's the question.
Do you think the C, like whoever, the CIA, whoever is just doing the for what purpose?
No, I never said that.
I know what I'm saying, but like, what are these people getting at?
That, like, I don't know what's going on.
Because you're really like, I don't know what's going on out there.
I'm not saying you're saying that, but that is usually the implication that it's a false flag and that like this is done to like.
I don't think it's a false flag.
Is it impossible that some of these kids went into some weird medical trial that nobody knows about?
Okay.
Is it impossible that some of these kids were, you know, these guys?
I don't know, man.
You know, listen, all this shit that we've talked about on this show, you're going to tell me it's completely impossible that they fucking...
I'm just saying.
I'm not saying they did.
Here's my answer.
We're doing a podcast, folks.
We're in a hotel room.
We're in the Tuskegee by St. John's.
Come kill us.
Please, please come kill us.
We're asking nicely.
We're asking nicely.
We'll give you the room number.
Deep State, wherever you are.
Come kill us.
I'm just saying, like, it's some super soldier program to get people to, like, oh, can we get them to kill people?
Like, look at Vietnam.
They would just blow up like villages for no reason.
Like, you know how just give us off.
That's why we lost that war.
That's why we had to drug him and shit.
I don't know, man.
I just, I don't know what's out there, man.
I don't know how deep it goes.
I mean, I wonder when you look at the types of black budget programs, the fact that a lot of these shooters or a lot of these homegrown terrorists, a lot of them have tried to get into the military and then were rejected.
Were they all rejected or did they go into some other program?
We don't know about that.
It's like the party.
He's like, he's trying to get a big cop and they're like, hey, why don't you come into our little pro you know?
I don't know.
What do I know?
Hey, maybe.
I mean, reality is, like.
Have you been to Sandy Hook?
Is my point.
I mean, we should do a live podcast of Sandy Hook.
Trying to get ads.
I'm just saying, like, I don't know what the end game is in the sense of, like, people, for years now, for over a decade, I've been hearing, and longer than that, probably.
I agree.
Yeah.
That, like, oh, they're just trying to get us into a position where they can finally show their face.
And it's like, I think they're there.
I think they can show their face now.
And the whole thing is when I got, people got mad at me the other day because they said, like, hey, I don't know, like you said, that, oh, if we give up our guns, the government will really start to overreach.
It's like, guys, that's not a valid argument because they've been doing it already.
They just haven't been doing it to people that look like you.
They've been going into all of these countries.
And I mean, they have been doing it to people that look like you because, you know, Chelsea Manning was being tortured.
Oh, sure.
Edward Snowden, Barrett Brown, anybody who was a whistleblower, anybody who leaked information that they were spying on you and that the U.S. military was committing war crimes.
I mean.
Well, they've also looked, the elites go to war because someone nationalized a banana plantation over there in Guatemala.
And they've economically decimated an entire country, the entire class of people.
And like, well, we'll only fight them if they try to take our guns away.
And it's like, why?
Why not fight now?
If I know the protests in Hong Kong.
Yeah.
People getting tasers to the fucking face.
Over extradition treatment.
Right.
Can you imagine if we like over extradition treatment?
What would it take?
Epstein got murdered before he was going to drop a dime on politicians' fucking kids.
And nobody cares.
It's the most heinous, unimaginable evil.
And nobody gives a shit about it.
So my whole thing is like, well, what would get, what would make you show up with the weapon?
I mean, if they came into your house and tried to take your gun, I guess that's the only, that's when you get up.
They want the gun so they can fight the government in case they take the guns.
Right.
That's the only time.
Now, we're, let me do a disclaimer here.
We are not telling you.
Now, what's hard about this is we kind of are.
But we're, we're performance artists.
Right.
And this is performance art.
I'm just saying we're imagining if they marched on DC and said, we want health care for everyone.
Right.
You can get behind that, man.
Get your gun out.
Go to DC and say we would like a living wage.
Right.
Or health insurance.
Yeah.
Or we'd like if you not fuck the kids.
Yeah.
Something.
But the only time I've ever seen is those groups who go to statues.
Like this, remember when everyone was taking down the Robert Lee statue?
Yeah.
And so they would defend the statues.
Like, you're not taking these statues down.
That's the only time I've ever seen anyone do anything with the guns.
Performance Art Gun March00:05:36
We had a weird interaction at Ag.
Do you think, explain what happened today on the street?
Because we've had a lot of weird interactions in New York.
Sure.
This was one of the stranger ones.
Oh, the woman by the deli?
Oh, no.
What happened by the dog?
Now you got to say that.
No, just some woman was asking for money.
And we like, we don't have any cash.
She's like, just buy me some child, some P and M's.
Right.
And then we did.
And then she got pissed with us, I think.
So he's just, whatever.
But no, so we're walking on the street.
I forgot about that.
Yeah.
This is the big one.
Yeah.
So we're walking on the street and a guy, somebody giving you your spot.
Somebody gave me a book at the Brunt show at the stand, and it's a book.
The Red Dawn or some shit.
Some book about whatever.
It's a political thriller, but it's true.
It's fake.
Non-fiction.
So this guy, we're walking down and like he, and he kind of brushes past Tim and he goes, and he like sees the book.
He goes, What you reading here?
And it's like a young guy, you know, guys in his 30s.
Like, what you reading there?
And you're like, oh, someone gave it to me.
He looks at the cover.
And I don't know if it's reflective of the book, but he goes, oh, it's like a David Goliath story.
Did David win?
And like, we're like, what?
And then he's like, maybe he should call me and let me know what happened.
He wanted to text me the title.
Yeah.
And I was so thrown off.
I didn't even know.
I didn't think the guy was trying to fuck me.
I was so thrown off because I'm so on guard for like an old school grift.
Right.
Smash and grab, grab the wallet.
Sure.
Grab my phone.
I take my phone out.
He grabs my phone, starts running.
Now I got to chase this guy down.
Maybe he's a good runner.
Right.
What am I going to do?
Either way, he's a better runner than you.
And you.
Oh, right.
I have to run five miles a day.
Run about now.
You're going to chase.
No, we're not chasing him back.
No.
So I'm like, you could just put the.
And then he gave me this long, longing, weird look.
Yeah.
Like he wanted to fuck.
But what's weird is like, he didn't even see my face when he stopped me.
What's the thing?
He starts it from behind.
And I don't present this gay, except you said I have a little bit of a gay walk.
Occasionally.
So from the back, do you think he said that guy's, I'm a weird self from the back?
Yeah.
If you're just watching me walk down the street, that's why you want to fuck me.
You don't even have a fat ass.
No, I got a nice face, but I would think you've got to see me from that.
I don't think you were gay walking then, for whatever black or better term.
I don't know.
Like you were just kind of occasionally you have like a tippy toe thing.
But this guy kind of stunned, he was kind of look stunned that I wouldn't give him my number.
And I think he like walked away and he was kind of puzzled.
Like, I can't fuck that guy.
My first assumption was it was a pickup only because what else could it be?
Like, yeah, Griff, but what is this Griff?
Maybe he knows who I am.
He wants to put my phone number on Reddit or something as a joke.
Possibly.
I mean, it's a dumb joke.
I don't care.
Yeah.
I really don't even care.
So I get dick pics.
He's like, all right, let's.
Yeah, it's not bad.
People just call me and I keep them on the phone for an hour.
They're like, this was a prank.
I want to go.
I'm like, no, listen.
There's a super soldier program.
I don't know, man, but he was kind of good looking and I'm kind of mad.
Dude, if I was at aggressive, I'd get laid all the time.
Maybe that's just what that guy's about.
Yeah, maybe he's just like, he's got a fucking dick full of comb.
Yeah, and he just wants to fuck everybody.
And I fucking screwed it up.
But also, maybe he wanted to come over to my hotel room and like rob me.
Sure.
You know, it's a weird, but it's a weird like what do you work on, though?
I don't know.
I don't, yeah, I don't get it.
Like, does it do certain dudes just go, hey, make me, yeah, here's my number.
We can text about this book.
Well, you pull out your phone, he rips out your hand.
Yeah, but he didn't even know I was gay.
He didn't know anything about it.
No, like he pulls your phone out, like, and you're like, oh, I guess I'll text you.
And like, assuming that he'll like, you'll just not text him, but you won't be polite.
And then he rips the phone out of your hand, maybe?
I don't know what the deal is.
I'm just kind of weirdly on guard when somebody, some stranger gets in your face and starts asking you questions.
Now, I respect his hustle.
Sure.
Whether he's snatching a phone or trying to kidnap a kid or trying to fuck.
You know, either way, I'm with you.
I just don't want to be the victim of your scam.
Right.
But maybe it wasn't.
Maybe he was just trying to fuck.
I mean, if that's the case, he doesn't think we're fucking.
Good point.
You should have stepped in.
Yeah.
That's my man.
That's the man.
You're fucking him.
You're fucking me.
You're fucking us both.
He just gave me this deep look.
Right.
I think you're crushing on this guy.
Did you?
He was kind of good looking, but did you catch the way he looked at me?
I'm like, it was weird.
The whole exchange is very odd.
And I'm like kind of paranoid because we talk about weird shit on the show.
I'm like, is he the guy?
Is this the guy that's coming to get us?
Maybe he was casing us.
Yes, the guy.
He's like, I'm like one of those Michael Clayton guys.
Is it a Billie Eilish fan that wants me dead?
Oh, shit.
He's going to torture and kill you.
I don't know.
Nice.
I mean, I don't know.
But now I feel weird about not giving him my number, not living dangerously.
I mean, you did fuck up.
I mean, you could have at least gotten laid or.
What did you think?
You said he wasn't that good looking, though.
Well, he was.
Look, he wasn't your type.
You typically like more slender guys.
Yeah.
But no, he was fine looking.
I mean, I think he was definitely.
Imagine if you did that to a woman.
What are you reading?
Listen, what are you reading?
What is that?
A real David and Goliath story?
Does David win?
Does David win?
You want to text me?
Why don't you text me the title of the book?
They would like, they would use like a Patriot Act to put me in Gitmo.
She would use bear spray on you.
Not even me.
She'd go right to bear spray.
She just takes in the gun and starts firing wildly.
She just starts firing.
Why do you read that?
This is why we can't give up the guns.
New Orleans Dating Talk00:15:03
You would be on a poster.
This is why you can't give up the guns.
Because this man asked what you were reading.
What are you reading?
You want to text me?
You want to start a book club?
Do you ever think what it would feel like to eat eaten?
Who is that, Dickens?
You're reading.
Is that a tale of two cities?
Listen to me.
I don't know, man.
Very strange, but I'll move on.
It's another misconnection.
We're talking before about you said you want to get out of New York at 20.
You like almost the idea of living in New Orleans.
I mean, New Orleans is my favorite city.
I've ever seen it.
Don't you think we're too old to kind of live in a, like, I don't know.
I feel like I mean, I think we had our time and I squandered all my time.
Sure.
When I was 22, I could have been getting hammered in New Orleans.
I could have maybe went to another country.
I could have gone on vacation, dude.
I was just getting fucked up in Long Island.
Yeah.
What a disaster.
And I couldn't even get a fucking TV show made about it.
I feel like New Orleans is the kind of city, though, where it's like you can have older failures that are kind of not looked down upon because they're not like, they don't have money.
Absolutely.
It's a whole vibe.
Yeah.
Like you have to really get into it.
We have to go full Mardi Gras and like.
I think you'd have to go there and just, I don't, I think the charms would get old.
So I think you'd have to resign yourself to being what that city is, which is like kind of disconnecting from the larger society.
Right.
Which is like, what is there in larger society you're going to miss?
I don't know.
Time.
Sure.
I think New Orleans, like people have no concept of time for them.
Like they just float around.
They barely know what they are.
They even like what if you live there, are you going like, are you even listening to jazz and like music?
Some people are.
I really don't know.
I think a lot of people there, there's a literary idea of what a city is.
Right.
And then there's what a city is, right?
Yeah.
And in my opinion, New Orleans probably gets the closest to the idea of what it is from the from the limited amount of time I've spent there, right?
New York is hard because there's a million New Yorks.
There's a million LAs.
I mean, the real LA is the bullshit, Hollywood.
Everybody's trying to suck off somebody famous, whatever.
Literally and figuratively.
But New Orleans is the idea that it's got a very distinct culture and that the people who live there love it and want to live there and they give themselves over entirely to that.
They're not like, you're not half in, half out.
You don't dip your toe in.
You go fucking head into New Orleans or you don't even do it.
No one really famous seems to come out of New Orleans.
I don't know.
Like, you like you might be someone who left New Orleans area.
But, like, who, what star got their start in New Orleans?
Like, it's more like a.
I can't think of any.
It's just kind of a place where you just kind of live this artistic life and then you get hammered all the time.
And are you living an artistic life where you're just getting fucked up?
I guess, I guess you could be playing music.
Well, I mean, it's like, look, what was Hemingway?
Like, Hemingway is writing these books and he's just getting fucked up in Paris.
It's like it's that, but no one cares about music or books anymore.
Like, any like, yeah.
So it's just like, we're not going to be happy anywhere.
Good point.
You know, that's what it is.
It's just we're going to be fat and miserable wherever we go.
Why not there?
You get some nice eggs beneath it.
It's too humid.
Yeah.
No, it was probably the summer.
We're not built for the summers.
You need to be a wiry guy who's not built, but he has like just don't you wish you were young and hot?
Would you have, dude?
If I wish I was young and hot anywhere.
If I could do it again, I would do nothing I did in this life.
Right.
I really believe that.
I would do nothing.
And I know I make a lot of you laugh and you go, oh, you're so funny.
Hey, shut up.
If I could do it again, I don't know.
Maybe I would do what I'm doing now.
Do you?
I don't know.
I think I would do something else.
What would you be?
Blank slate.
And then I have some questions from the uh well, no, we're gonna do them on a Patreon episode.
We're gonna record later in the week.
The people that pay money get to ask you us questions.
And some of them are like, so stupid.
It's okay.
What do you think about, you know?
Yeah.
And it's like, all right, well, we'll do that in the other episode.
I'd be a lacrosse player.
Is this true?
I mean, I feel like I would have been an athlete if I could go back.
If you could go back in time, this is a very fascinating thing.
If Ray Cop could do it all again.
Because I did go through a period.
I was talking about this earlier where I write, like when I was around 30 years old, I was running five miles away.
Not even when you were younger, when you were 30.
No, and I'm saying I was fat when you were 45.
No, that was like, what, seven years ago?
No, like something like six, five.
I just love the idea of like, you're like, listen, when I was 30, I was an athlete.
No, my point is, like, I'm not, I'm not running five miles away.
Why weren't you running again?
Weren't you running around the morgue?
I ran around the morgue for a while and then eventually.
Do you want to go back to your glory days of running around the morgue?
I'm not saying that.
What I'm saying is I came to a realization, like, because I was fat my whole life up until then.
I was a fat kid.
I was never good at athletic shit.
And like, oh, I should have been like pushing my body more since I was a kid.
And like, if I were to go back, I would, yeah, I practice.
I didn't understand.
Like, I understood they say practice, but until you get good at anything, I was never good at stuff as a kid.
I finally get good at stuff.
Like, oh, yeah, just put the time in.
You can get good at baseball and feel good about yourself.
Like, people like to pretend like, oh, these, you know, athletics don't mean anything and they're shit.
And like, yeah, if you're doing two days at age 14 and like your whole town's revolved around football and rape, sure, it's not great.
But I mean, the idea of having athletic background is a nice thing.
I mean, it's a nice, the Greeks did it.
Let's be honest.
There's no professional across league.
I'm not.
You're not saying you would do some collegiate sport.
I'm saying I'm talking about I would have lived as more active.
I would have been more active and that would have bled into the rest of my life.
Okay.
And I would have probably gotten into like law.
I could have been a lawyer.
I mean, I could have been like a trim lawyer.
So you want to be like a fit lawyer.
Yeah.
Because no one wants to.
I had a fat lawyer once.
But I mean.
The worst.
The worst is to have a fat lawyer.
Because he was a good lawyer, but he was still embarrassing.
Yes.
He's like wearing like he's wearing a scarf in the middle of court.
What?
No, no.
He was like, he was.
Was he a real lawyer or was he just.
No, he was dead now.
I was a good-looking lawyer.
You told me once.
Like a young guy who was kind of.
Oh, I did have for a different thing, a good-looking lawyer, but he was terrible.
So the fat guy was good.
The fat guy, but he's still embarrassing when he gets up.
Yeah.
He's good because he worms his way into the county for years.
What was the biggest problem with him was just the sight of him or was the way he talked?
He was just bombastic and he kind of had a lisp and a slur.
Yeah.
But he knew everyone.
He had these huge Christmas parties, I think, where he'd invite the whole county over.
He's like a flamboyant, fat lawyer.
Yeah, but he wasn't like, at least no one thought he was gay, but he kind of acted like a little bit of a slop.
Yeah.
And he was great.
He was better than I deserved.
He was a real raconteur.
Yeah.
And he was good.
But like, I was still like, oh, but I knew, I knew he was right.
He telling me, like, shave your beard.
Like, I look bad with that beard.
He's like, just shave it.
And so I had to listen to him.
No, I agree with you.
So you would be a fit lawyer.
Yeah.
And you would live where?
Probably.
What college would you go?
If you could have gone to a college, where would you have gone?
What's, I mean, I could have gone to a college.
I mean, I'm a smart enough guy.
I did pretty well on the SAT.
Everyone about you, everyone that knows anything about you knows how very incredibly intelligent you are.
And I applied myself nothing.
I mean, it's almost unoriginal.
What did you get on your SAGs?
Like a 1280 without any practice.
Which is not like, it's not knots the charts off.
But I'm saying if I'd done a little bit, I could have gotten a 1400.
Right.
I think.
And now, yeah, it ain't menza.
Well, no, maybe it is.
But the point is, like, I could have been, I could have gotten into Columbia, maybe, or like Dartmouth, maybe.
I mean, is that like, I don't know.
I don't know much about the IVs, but I could have gotten into an IV, like a better tough if you're a white guy.
Well, yeah, but back then, you know, that was a while ago.
Here's what I would say: if I could do it all over again, I agree with you.
Ben lost his phone, and this is how he lost his phone.
Ben, the producer of the show.
Yeah.
It fell out of his pocket playing golf.
I mean, I've never known you to.
I've never known you to put up with things like that.
I mean, is this?
I love him to death, but I mean, is this the guy?
You know what I mean?
I thought he lost his wallet, too.
I guess that also did.
Is this where Peter says, what is Peter's upon this rock?
God says to Peter, upon this rock, I build my church.
You know what I mean?
He's playing golf and the wallet fell out.
I don't know how you lose both.
Do people change?
That sounds.
Do people change?
Another question.
The great rate comes.
Like, I'm not a drunk anymore, right?
Right.
But I'm still an idiot.
What's the thing?
I'm still an addict in many ways.
You don't change.
You just white knuckle it the rest of your life.
You evolve.
I'm still an addict.
The addict mentalities help me with comedy.
Yeah, you know, like, like these people who find serenity through Christ through like 12 steps.
They're insane.
Yeah.
God bless them.
But that's a good insane.
That's the way you want to be.
But that's the best you can hope for.
We were talking before about how if you're fat.
Yeah.
There's like research that shows if you're fat and you lose a lot of weight, you keep all those fat cells the rest of your life.
Really?
Yeah.
So the minute you start eating fat again, it comes.
It comes right back.
It's a lot fat, forever fat.
Yeah.
So it's like you can alter your behavior, but you don't change.
Right.
And that's the scary thing.
You're always going to have these demons, probably.
I mean, you know, I'm doing that keto or trying to do keto.
It's not real keto.
It's like keto, so I'll eat tomato sauce and shit.
But I'm not eating bread, pasta, rice, sugar, like, you know, no desserts, none of that shit.
No juice.
I'm drinking only water.
Right.
And, you know, I can hook up with good looking dudes.
I've hooked up with really good looking dudes.
But if you told me, like, hey, you'll just fuck male models for the rest of your life or whatever.
I still kind of want ravioli.
That's how deep the hook of fat is.
Right.
I still kind of want ravioli.
So I never have a gyro again.
I mean, I want a gyro.
That's the thing.
What am I not going to have ravioli?
You know, I want to see.
I want that feeling.
Oh, but everyone looking, they'll want to fuck you, or you'll have a better chance fucking people.
Yeah, but I want lobster ravioli.
I mean, do you really want how much?
How much do you really want to fuck?
I want to fuck a decent amount, but not crazy.
I'm saying these people who fuck all the time.
It's like, I don't get it.
I mean, I have a girlfriend.
I love her.
You don't lose.
It's consensual.
It's legal.
No need to call the police.
Don't file a report.
And we have great sex.
I'm sure it's fun.
But I mean, I don't want to be my.
It's sweaty.
It's a mess.
Yeah.
You don't want it to be your whole life.
Right.
I mean, these guys are what you're going, fuck boys.
I guess so.
I mean, I can't be a fuckboy.
Well, I think you're putting limits on yourself, and I hate to see you do that.
But I don't know.
I just, you know, I'm going to try to keep this diet going and I'm going to try to exercise.
Right.
It's another thing I hate.
I don't like.
I've never known you, besides the time you told me you swam when you were a child.
I love swimming.
But I've never known you to be like, do any exercise.
Have you ever like you have a gym now?
I'm not meant for, let's be honest.
Let's be honest.
People are going to get mad at this, right?
It's a controversial take.
Come on.
Isn't exercise kind of for stupid people?
Come on.
Fundamentally, I guess.
I mean, and I don't mean that it's not the right thing to do, but come on.
Well, they look.
Aren't there?
It's a lot of dummies.
Yeah.
And the thing is, this: you get out of work.
If you're a working person, you got out of work.
Now, I know that I should be stupid in any shape, but it's not my fault.
Right.
God made me.
You know, I sit around.
I think.
I think.
I lay.
I lean.
I dream.
Do you guys have much like how when you go to work and then you go to a gym?
You're spending like, you know, when do you actually watch the YouTube documentaries?
When do you squeeze that time in?
These people.
Yeah.
Like, I don't understand it.
Like, how do you watch the docs?
Yeah.
Where does that happen?
You could do it on the treadmill.
You could do it on the elliptical.
Right.
I feel good when I work out.
I like swimming.
I should swim more.
I want to be that guy again.
Here's the thing.
Like, the reason most art is created is because you don't feel good or content.
Right.
So it's like, the point is, are we really, is anyone related to artists anymore?
Is art really exists at all?
Maybe not.
Right.
And that's because that's the thing.
Like, you could look at Michelangelo and go, well, he wasn't happy, but he, you know, sculpted and he made his team check.
Was he not happy?
I mean, I get the impression he has some.
I know they all had demons.
I think Da Vinci had demons.
Right.
Or pedophiles.
Yeah.
I mean, look, look, they were happy then when they were fucking, but you know, not all the time.
You know.
Everyone has ever done anything great with a pedophile.
What if aliens call our planet planet pedophile and no one even knows it?
Aliens are like, yes, the most elite people there, fuck the children.
And you're like, wait.
Well, Chomsky used to love to have the whole, what if aliens came down and they just observed our society?
What would they think?
And he'd like to talk about like, well, obviously the rich and all this stuff.
And yeah, you're right.
It would just be like, well, you got to fuck kids to get ahead.
Yeah, they would be like, oh, this is planet pedophile.
Yeah.
As they left in their spaceship, they'd be like, oh, this is planet pedophile.
Right.
That's what that is.
But if I could do it all over again, I would be a swimmer because you're the hottest with the ripped bodies.
Yeah.
Dude, I'd go to a state.
I'd go to school at Colgate or Marist.
Oh, I did.
I did the cross camp at Colgate.
Yeah, I don't, I'm not even gonna fuck with the Ivies.
I wouldn't even make my life about trying to be smart or good.
Like, this is what I've realized.
Yeah.
I would go to school at Colgate, get a hot chick or a hot whatever.
Oh, I would be in the chicks, probably.
I don't know.
You would do a scale, like a conversion camp?
No, I mean, we're just doing a fake life.
Okay.
And then I'd have kids, and I think I'd get like a fucking house by a lake or something and just not give a fuck.
I really think if I could do it all over again, I would be like, fuck all of that.
I don't care about it.
I don't know.
I mean, his kids who grew up upstate.
My dad's friend was, my mother's friend was a swim coach at Colgate.
Yeah.
Or Maris or one of them, but I think he worked at Colgate.
He ran a camp there, whatever.
And they had a nice, him and his wife had a nice house on the lake or his parents had a house on the lake.
And you would go there and, dude, you know, they just didn't give a fuck.
I would love to have grown up that you mentioned it.
Like, yeah, in upstate New York.
Fake Life and Lake House00:04:54
Man.
They just live in a Tom Sawyer life.
No Italians.
You know?
Yeah, the food sucks.
You have a burger.
Who cares?
Right.
You don't need everything to be great.
It ruined you.
The reason I like New York is the food.
I'm a fat fuck.
Yeah.
I'm in keto.
I don't need to be here.
Right.
I don't need to be in LA.
I don't need to be in here.
You do keto.
You do it in the woods.
You need a raccoon.
That's the point.
The fuck you're going to be here for.
Right.
Roast chicken.
Don't you just fantasize about that life.
You're just on the lake.
I used to go to the Boy Scout camp.
There was on a pond.
I don't even like the lake, but I just, the life seems great.
The pond is not a pond or a lake.
It's a nice.
It's a nice Americana.
The oceans are great too, but there's something about a lake.
You have a nice lake house.
It's quiet.
Did you ever go fishing?
You write novels.
I would be writing a novel.
I've went fishing.
Do you like fishing?
Yeah, but on Captain Lou's boat in Freeport with 40 other losers from Long Island.
Right.
Calling the fish Enwards.
But no, I went fishing with my Uncle Michael out in the Hamptons.
I like fishing.
We're just like, we're indoor kids, aren't we?
We're geniuses, Ray.
That's the problem.
We're geniuses in a society that doesn't care.
I'm in the Tuscany by St. Jill's.
Society wants us to get in shape and go flippity blibbity blob.
And, you know, I guess we should.
I guess it's time.
I mean, who change or die?
Evolve or die.
Yeah, I mean, most of us just die.
I don't know.
I like, I take a lot.
I ponder a lot during the day.
You can't ponder at a gym.
Right.
Well, yeah.
I mean, you kind of get into a.
Sometimes I'll lean on something for 45 minutes and think.
No, because mostly when I'm at the gym, I'm just in pain.
I'm just like, oh, I'm hurting.
Yeah.
I'm hurt.
Yeah.
And I just want to end.
Our bodies have failed us.
Our bodies, our minds matter.
Right.
Our bodies, which is why I'm excited for the transhumanism.
Put this mind in a better body.
I love a spider body.
I've always wanted an Aractin body.
That'd be amazing.
They're not going to us.
No.
Spider bodies?
But like, why not us?
Like, why not?
Because it's not, they're not going to give it to us.
We're not going to get a good spider body.
I mean, we can still upgrade something, right?
We will get the worst upgrade.
It'll be rusty.
It'd be like a fucking body.
It will literally be they'll put us in the same bodies with like metal legs, like tin men.
Tin men legs.
This is all you two got approved for.
It's like, we literally like, it's just a, like, we have to like move the spider legs with our arms.
Like, we're just pushing them, pulling them.
Hey, are we going to get the new spider body?
No.
You got to prove to make your feet a wagon.
We still have to shit through the machine.
Yeah.
I mean, it's hard.
I'm trying to change it, man.
I've lost a few pounds.
It's a tough.
I'm going to keep doing it.
Yeah.
I'm going to keep doing it.
The next step is I got to start exercising, but I just, I got to get into it.
Yeah, I mean, exercising will get you kind of focused.
I know.
You really, I mean, you need to become a jock.
I mean, you can pick up guys at gyms, can't you?
Sure.
I mean, that's a more healthy way.
Pick up guys in the street, apparently.
Sure.
I mean, that's the thing.
You want to be a guy who's got like, just get some biceps going.
Get some nice tones.
I wish I was rich.
Yeah.
I just want to be rich, dude.
I just want the, you know, just get a trainer to come in and kill me.
I just want a trainer to blow my brains.
I just want a trainer to blow my brains out.
I just want a trainer to come in and murder me so I don't have to go along with the training program.
I mean, would you just like, would you do fantasize about being grappled to death by like a man?
We're at a point now where you go, I'd like to make something good.
For who?
For what?
I mean, that's a good point.
Who is the audience?
Who wants it?
And I don't want to be one of those guys who's like, fuck this and fuck that.
We don't want to be that guy.
Yeah.
But we got to be honest.
And you go, well, well, you have this idea that like, well, the masses will go for this, but you're making something that will last for history.
But like, who's actually like, almost like we're putting in a time capsule and waiting for someone to appreciate it later on.
Everything is shifted where even like the smart set like shit.
Right.
The masses have always like shit.
The mass is now like gobbledygook baby talk.
Right.
The mass is like just big asses.
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Even your friends you were talking about before, the people came to your set.
Yeah.
Like, I don't look, I look at Rotten Dome.
I look at the audience score, you were saying.
Right.
It's like they don't like no one cares about fine art.
No, it's fine art.
I mean, you think, oh, make some good for niche group.
Is it niche or niche?
Niche, I think.
You make something for a niche group and they don't want it.
No.
I mean, no one wants it until you have.
Because that's all bullshit, too.
Right.
It's like, yes, there is objectively good art.
But the rich kids jerking each other off.
Right, exactly.
Like, you know, that's why I think Warhol was a fraud.
Well, it's better than what we have now.
Sure.
He's heads and shoulders are better than flip it blah, blah, blah, blah.
I think the best life, you just, you have a lake house.
Yeah.
You're cooking burgers on the lake.
You're reading.
You're writing.
You're reading.
You're swimming in the lake and you're maybe doing a little light jog.
You know, maybe go to the gym every now and then.
You maybe you're the teacher at the local school and the summer the kids graduate, you have sex with them.
Right.
When they graduate.
Can I come back as a pig?
Would you like to be a pig?
I feel like it'd be a nice, you know, I don't be slaughtered the first year, but I mean, I feel like it's a nice.
Until you got slaughtered, it would be good.
Yeah.
I mean, look, I don't think you have to come back to be a pig.
You could pretty much, you could just climb in a pen.
Yeah.
I mean, they're smart animals.
I feel like I think.
Are you focusing on losing?
Because you're big now.
You're at a big place.
No, yeah.
I mean, look, we went out to brunch today and we're eating meat and shrimp.
Yeah, I'm doing no carb, though.
I'm doing the keto.
Stay with no carbs.
Yeah.
It's the breads and the sugars, man, and the rice.
It's poison.
Not so like, you know, reasonable people can moderate themselves.
I hate that we grew up with our parent, our boomer parents feeding us poison, and we got to a point where we really, people don't realize I was shot food-wise by the time I was like nine.
I was just, I mean, the garbage I was eating.
Right.
I grew up on garbage.
I grew up on fast food.
I grew up going out to eat.
Yeah.
I grew up at Fridays.
I grew up, you know.
And then you get to a certain point where you've lost control completely.
And now you got to do a diet where you can't even have a little bit of rice.
No, look, you have to admit you're an addict the same way.
Alcohol and drugs.
And the whole country, we've got lots of addicts, man.
Yeah.
Look, that's the thing.
This country is built on hooking you on shit.
Yeah.
It's just like, you know, you used it before, like the fucking, the advertising firms with the cereals and the fucking 60s.
Man, the sugar cereals, they're just doing anything they can to get it down, you know, get it in front of a kid.
Right.
So they could get hooked young.
The sugar industry's big.
It's just like, what I don't get is like.
So few people in this country actually have like jobs that matter anymore.
It's all service jobs.
It's like they're selling to us.
They're treating us like cattle to get us to buy shit.
But it's like, it's almost like money is fake.
Everything's fake.
Like, it's almost like, why is it like if the elites are really running this thing just to like get what out of us?
Like, I don't understand.
It seems like you're robbing Peter the PayPal.
They're just, they're just cashing checks.
Yeah.
Just moving it around.
Just cashing checks, dude.
No, that's the real creepy thing about everything.
It's like there really isn't an elite like condiving and running.
They're doing it.
They're scamming and you're killing people.
I think it's out of chaos.
And I don't think people like, I don't think there's a grand design, this new world order shit.
I don't think there's any end game, this depopulation of the earth or whatever.
Sure, that would be nice.
They love that.
But I really think it's just at the top.
I think it's just chaos.
The reality is the economy is inflated so like since like for over 100 years now, since the Fed and all this stuff, and even before that, with inflation and just the monetary policy and just like credit expansion and debt, that like it really is just a bunch of plates in the air.
And like you, like even if you were like, you know, wanting to be an Austrian economist, a libertarian, we're going to solve everything.
You couldn't even unravel it.
It's just, it's just unraveling.
No, I think it's just the great unraveling will be the final unraveling.
Yeah.
And it'll take a long time.
Right.
I mean, somebody made a point, I forget who it was, like Great Britain's still called Great Britain.
Yeah.
It takes a long time.
But yeah, man.
And I think if you read the Whitney Webb articles about Epstein, you see that like criminals.
And by the way, and when I say the word criminal, I mean everybody who's behaving in an illegal fashion from the from the government to intelligence agencies to legitimate criminals to billionaires, the crime syndicate and the many crime syndicates that are we don't like to say that we don't have a shot or to say that we're going to drain the swamp as Donald Trump said.
Yeah.
He can't even drain the swamp we know about.
There's a whole other swamp that you can't even see and no one's writing about it.
Right.
And no, and the people that do get killed.
And it's so much deeper and darker than people realize.
And knowing about it doesn't help.
And the only way to have a good life is to not know.
Yeah.
Because the only way you get in is to be compromisable.
Right.
Like it's the whole thing with Skull and Bones where like, what are they, they fucking blow each other or they do whatever.
Whatever it is they do, they do so they have something on each other.
They don't trust you unless they have something on you.
Right.
Unless you're someone we can close the lid on if we need to.
Right.
Then you're not getting in.
Right.
Because it goes back to Meyer Lansky and before, and you know, and fucking like, you know, the term, like boot, like the prohibition error and these early, the early mafia.
And people act like, even people who like are into this shit act like, you know, the CIA used the mafia to kill Kennedy, but that's it.
Like, no, they're like, there's a is a permeable fucking like wall the same way that finance in the CIA is.
Yeah.
And I mean, you know, so it's like, I mean, Jacob Hoover is denying the mafia because they, you know, they have dirt on them.
It's an invisible mechanism that controls a lot of what you see.
A lot of the stories in the newspaper, a lot of the things we focus on are distractions.
And then there is this invisible, all-powerful, somewhat omniscient, godlike entity.
And that doesn't mean it's five people in a room.
It means there's many different groups of criminals.
And the sophistication level is so high.
And here's the problem.
I am not defending the criminal networks that run this country.
And I'm not saying it couldn't be better.
But when you look at, like, there are people who talk about the nature of democracy.
And, like, democracy is unwieldy, right?
Especially on the scale of people we have and like what it would take to do anything in this country.
Like, would you, would they be able to get, I'm not saying most of what they're doing isn't like war profiteering and like debt slavery, but like, would they be able to get anything done without using illicit means, you know, under the, under the table?
Well, I think part of it is that we all look at it and go, things aren't that bad in this country because for a lot of people, they aren't.
Number one.
Number two, we're pacified by a lot of creature comforts and things like that.
Number three, I think the real horrors and tragedies of this country we write off is business as usual.
That's just life.
People are too sick.
They can't afford the medicine.
Oh, that's just life.
This person gets evicted from whatever.
That's just life.
This old lady who's been living in an apartment forever gets evicted.
And in Europe, they have health insurance.
What, you want to wait two days for a doctor?
Maybe, right?
Right, right, right.
Maybe.
But I mean, so we've conditioned the American public.
They've done such a great job of conditioning people to accept nothing.
Right.
And to, you know, I did a joke on the last podcast that people are competing on American Ninja Warrior for insulin and they're saying it's a privilege.
Yeah.
I mean, that will be what will happen down the road.
I mean, people love these GoFundMes and they'll retweet them.
They'll be like, what a great story.
This family had no money and this little guy, like there was one which was amazing.
They go, here's a three-year-old with a disease.
John's healthcare company didn't know if they covered a new wheelchair for him.
So they made him a wheelchair.
At Home Depot, they like made him a wheelchair.
And this was like tweeted out and everyone was sharing it going, this is beautiful.
This is the American spirit.
It's like, no, the American spirit is to demand that the company give the fucking kid a wheelchair.
What?
But this is the same thing.
Maybe it's faking.
Yeah.
If we gave every faker a wheelchair, we go out of business.
This little fraud.
Game in the system.
But that's what I mean.
We've been conditioned.
And you can't talk to people.
Can't talk to them about this because they all believe in some overarching political philosophy that's going to help it.
They've kind of lost their humanity.
They act, it's weird.
Like they act like we invented patriotism.
Dude, I mean, it's...
We invented freedom.
How about that Trump article I say where the people, the Walmart woman has no money and she goes, Trump made me believe in myself.
I stopped paying Obamacare and I didn't pay the fine and nothing happened.
And he taught me I could stand up for myself to what?
To get to not have insurance.
Yeah.
What is...
We're rotten to the core.
Rotten to the core.
We're not like.
Rotten to the core.
It's sad.
It's really sad.
I mean, honestly, how does it get better?
And it's all these people that are positive.
Do you not go outside?
Have you not had any experiences with the human race?
Here's the problem.
People talk about ingenuity.
Right.
Or like President Vera.
It's like, no, I think we could fix all of this.
Right.
But like the people just won't accept.
Like they won't even come together.
No one even like, we used to value compromise in this country.
And like, yeah, it's hard.
I'm not saying the Republican Party isn't like, you know, and whatever, but like, it's, but there is the idea that you're going to like come to the table and make a deal.
It's just like, you're a traitor.
The other thing is that nobody even agrees what the problems are.
Right.
People don't even think, they don't think that the no health care for the kid is a problem.
Yeah.
They don't think the mass shootings are a problem.
They just think it's a function of freedom.
And they look at a decaying society and go, well, people are free to do what they want to.
They want, look, we, they don't want it.
Like, yeah, you're right.
Like, they don't want it to be better.
Right.
We act like we want it better, but like.
Why?
That's a great question.
Why don't we want it better?
That's a really good question.
We're like a battered wife at this point.
Yeah.
We've just been like sold.
I mean, look, down deep, do you think we all want to, like, and I'm not saying everyone's a pedophile, but down deep, do you think part of the sickness in this country is that everybody wants to be an elite and everybody wants to be on everyone wants to fuck people on an island?
Not saying they have to be kids, but everybody wants to be able to murder and maim and torture and kill and have all this money.
And like, is the, is that just the dark, you know?
Have we, like, is this country pure id?
And that's only like that.
People say that.
And I don't think it's that.
I think it's more fundamental that they just think it's gross to take a handout.
Even though like they're taking a handout, probably like some like, you know, middle-class white guy on well who's like, no, thanks, on welfare and or whatever.
Like he's scamming the system.
But like the idea of socialism is gross because like just some look, it's kind of like we're in the middle of hyper normalization.
We're in the midst of it.
Like when you see year after year, nothing change and like, you know, Obama, then before that, it was Bush.
Like nothing fun, like when Obama didn't shut down Gitmo.
And like, I'm not saying he was the same as George W. Bush, but it's like, oh, yeah, it's business.
The more, like, over time, that just built up.
And so everyone's just kind of like battered.
No one really expects anything to change because it's just the swamp.
Like, what is the swamp?
The swamp is this like vague term for like, I think they're fucking us.
Really, the swamp is like the corporate state.
Right.
That, you know, whether it's and however you envision that, whether it's lobbyists buying influence, whether it's the corrupt political dynasty.
But the idea the FBI couldn't arrest these people if we still have to.
Like the idea, like, well, we got the problem.
That's that one.
Yeah.
That's the scary.
There is my favorite movies in those conspiracy movies where they go find a cop or something and you find out he's in on it.
Right.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Every Stephen King novel, you're like, oh, that guy.
Right.
But my point is, like, but the idea that like it would be hard if you actually had a well-intentioned government to do something about the swamp.
I also totally understand people who leave America if you can.
I never understand those people.
I don't understand people coming here.
Where can we go?
It's so bad.
But I never used to understand people that would leave.
And now I'm like, yeah, I get it.
Go to some seaside town somewhere else.
But I mean, it's all getting bad.
There's not a lot of places left.
I mean, what's going to be funny is like, even when we fix this, we've already poisoned the earth.
It's just done.
Yeah.
I mean.
Maybe it's all fake.
Maybe it's all fake.
They're all renting Lamborghinis.
I talked to a guy about the Hollywood.
He's like, everyone out there is renting Lamborghinis.
They're all fake.
They're fake until they make it.
Yeah, I'm like, no, they've made it.
That's how people justify it.
They're all rich kids.
A lot of them are.
I know.
Some of them have made it.
Some of them have made it.
It is what it is.
It is making it in America.
Being a rich kid.
Being a rich kid is making it.
Maybe that's if we could do it all over again.
Holy shit.
Be rich, lacrosse, living by a lake.
I just want to be rich.
I just want to have a cold mother and an aloof father and a lot of fucking money and expectations.
My friend Michael, like one of my best friends, has always said if his parents pushed him a little more, because he got into St. John's, but if he could have just gone to a little better college, his life would have been better.
And he goes, if his parents just pushed him a little bit more, and not that it was their job to, but he said, like, you know, that's one of the things he looks back on.
Yeah, it sounds nice, but uh, John Rockefeller's dad wasn't a deadbeat, so right?
Hey, fuck you, Michael, Ray's right.
I mean, you know, wasn't Carnegie's dad also like a push yourself.
Yeah, we're comparing him to the greatest, uh, some Titans, great people.
I mean, the Titans never come from like it wasn't, I never hear stories of like my dad was just like hardworking.
I know, but we can't.
The big problem, I think, is also that we talk about those guys and that they're illustrative of anything other than that they're freaks of nature.
Sure, they're freaks of nature.
I mean, that's part of the thing.
That's like I was joking around today about the motivational speakers, Gary Vee.
Right.
I'm like, nobody needs that.
Warren Buffett doesn't wake up and go, Should I hustle today?
Should I grind?
Nobody needs that.
But there's a cottage industry of people telling other people that they're and on the left or the progressives or whatever you want to say.
This celebration of people being 700 pounds should stop.
Yeah, I don't know.
And women.
The celebration of women being 700 pounds, never men.
Right.
So he's women being morbidly obese.
No one knows.
That is a victory.
No one knows how to just speak without like hashtags and like and like and then buzzwords where it's like you know, don't buy into like the patriarchal sense of beauty, but yeah, don't be morbidly, you know, on the on the brink of death.
Right.
There's no nuance to that.
There should be a middle ground.
Right.
There should be a little bit of a middle ground.
I'm comfortable with my body.
Obviously not.
You're like, no one, I'm telling you, we're fat.
I'm fat.
Yeah, I'm not comfortable.
This is not comfortable.
This is not comfortable.
I'll tell you another thing.
I just, this idea that you're good how you are and you should never evolve or grow or change.
I mean, it's just the worst.
It's the worst thing to tell anybody, whether it's about your body or your fucking mind.
Right.
Oh, you should just stay put.
Stay where you are.
I don't know, man.
If I was a conspiracy guy, I would say that the forces love this shit.
Sure.
They love this pretend activism.
They love watching a group of people just get too fat to even leave their house.
I mean, who are we going to fight?
Right.
Are we going to go scoop up the tear gas grenade like the guys in Hong Kong and like put it into a thermos?
How impressive is Hong Kong?
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Oh, God.
I am so impressed, man.
They look, I'm watching it every fucking day, dude.
They're patriots.
I am so impressed.
The idea that that even exists in this country is fucking laughable.
I do love how guys, like, these right-wing people on Twitter or whatnot will be like, oh, why don't you left us learn something from that?
When they're not the ones behind whatever's going on.
And by the way, you want them to?
Right.
Do you really want them?
Let's not fuck it around.
You're a fucking moron.
My uncle said it, and he was quoting somebody else once.
He said it.
He said it right before Christmas prayer.
It was a little weird.
But he said, the country is too dumb to be governed.
Yeah.
Too dumb to be governed.
If it's not Trump, it'll be another con man.
And look, that's what we get.
And it ain't, it's not biological.
It's not like, oh, we're willfully dumb.
We don't, we don't like, you don't have to be a fucking menta.
Do you think it's the food?
Do you think part of it is the poison?
Doesn't help.
Doesn't help.
But I think it's more the iPhone and it's more like the TV and the bad shit.
It was bad before the iPhone.
It was bad, but it's gotten worse and worse.
It's gotten worse.
When I say iPhone, I don't mean literally the iPhone.
I mean, it's the amenities.
It's the creature comforts that like the indulgences that we allow to distract us.
Because the idea of like you said before, it was like, you know, you talk about like, you know, how does this affect me?
And that idea of allowing it to like disconnect where it's just, it is just abstract aloof notion.
Physical communities are dead.
Right.
I talked about that the other day.
Physical communities, for the most part, don't exist.
Many of them were built around a plant or a company that shut down.
Some of them were built around a church.
It's really no longer relevant to that area.
And the only communities that are left are kind of digital communities.
And, you know, I hate to say it, but they're not sustaining in any meaningful way.
No, I mean, like, there is no problem is they're so fickle.
I mean, right.
I don't really give a lot of credence to religion.
I think that, you know, a lot of toxicity comes from it.
But when they worked well, when they were productive things, it was like, it was a steady hand that, you know, it gave people a sense of tradition and a sense of like, you know, we like the idea that you like, you grow up and you teach your kid that trade or whatever.
Back when we had more like, you know, if you were a mason or a farmer or whatever, like, not mason.
Blacksmith.
Yeah.
Whatever.
You know, whatever it was.
And like, and, and you lived, and they more like, you know, you lived in the same town.
And the idea of like, it's not all just pop culture and fickle, like, you know what I mean?
Like, where there is no, there is no continuity on anything.
There's nothing timeless.
Right.
How would you like it to end?
Donald Trump Jr.
You had always said a very funny thing.
You had said a very sloppy false flag in the mall of America.
You know, it just made no sense.
Just blowing it up.
Just blowing up the mall of America.
Trump blaming it on China.
Right.
It's just obviously you see the videos.
It's just fat guys.
The guy's Chinese.
They're just blowing up the Orange Julius.
Just blowing up the Mall of America and blaming it on China.
That would be great.
I mean, look, that's...
I mean, look.
You always joke around, Brian.
Well, 9-11 was like blatant enough.
Right.
When you really look at it.
I mean, the first day, I don't think either one of us was like a truther.
I mean, then you have Epstein, which is just like...
I mean, folks.
Wait till the cameras don't work.
The cars are asleep.
It's goofy.
It's clumsy.
It's goofy.
And it's almost fun.
Right.
It's on the edge of fun.
It literally is like a chaplain.
It's like a keystone cops.
It's like fucking.
So, yeah, I mean, it's just going to get more and more.
I think they want to get to the point where they don't want to work hard.
They almost don't have to give us any type of story anymore.
Yeah.
The Soviet Union, when Chernobyl happened, what were they telling people when Chernobyl happened?
It was just like a fire?
I mean, it was like, they didn't have to try hard.
Gorbachev didn't have to sell it.
It was just like, hey, you think we're full of shit?
All right.
Yeah.
That's where we're at.
Yeah.
You don't like it.
Fuck you.
How long have we done?
We're at 1.15.
Yeah, we're going to wrap it up.
It's a lot of fun.
I should have given that guy my number, man.
Look, you got to live dangerously.
I mean, what am I protecting myself for?
Exactly.
So you got a little come up, whatever.
You got to be able to stay abroad.
I want to thank everybody here at the Tuscany, the St. Gilles, Tuscany.
I mean, the amenities are really happening.
Well, they have breakfast in the morning.
That'd be nice.
That's probably a lot of money.
But what am I going to do?
It is what it is.
I could walk to the deli and just get some bacon.
Bacon and eggs.
I don't know.
I kind of want locks.
I want to go to Sables, but that's all the way uptown.
I love smoked fish.
You're not that into it.
It's nice.
I like a nice piece of lox.
I mean, we had some locks this morning.
It was nice.
They have a nice lobster salad at Sables.
Yes, that's nice.
Key!
I got to start going to the gym.
I got to change it all.
Yeah, you could still do in the just sort of like walking the treadmill.
Maybe I can still get that lake house.
Get the fuck out of this business.
I mean, it's not that expensive.
I mean, it depends.
You can get a decent lake house in the Carolinas, maybe.
Is there any of those nice places left or is it all just overrun by like the Klan?
I mean, the Klan.
The Klan's going to be part of the game there.
I mean, like, we think about these, you know, all these out-of-touch people, like, I just want to live in a small town.
And they're like, guys, there's two of those small towns.
The rest of them are bankrupt, vacant lots where meth zombies are running around and people delivering babies on the sidewalk.
There's no quaint small towns.
Maybe it was Vermont.
Yep, the houses are 900 grand.
Are they?
Yes.
Stop with Vermont.
I don't know.
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Obviously, everybody that is a patron gets all the archives.
You know, it's fun.
So get in there, enjoy that.
And good luck.
And if somebody stops you in the street, just give me your number.
Give them your fucking number.
Who cares?
I could be fucking right now and not talking about the demise of society.
You know?
Or maybe that's what this guy wants to talk about.