Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt and Olivia dissect the Roswell conspiracy, alleging a government cover-up linking the 1947 crash to the JFK assassination via Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone's rifle identification. They cite Brigadier General Thomas Jefferson DeBose's sworn testimony denying the weather balloon story, Jesse Marcel Sr.'s indestructible hieroglyphic debris, and whistleblower claims of child abductions at Foster Ranch. The episode connects these events to eugenics experiments, secret programs like BLUE, and elite bloodlines, suggesting a broader agenda of human domination through DNA manipulation and occult interference rather than simple extraterrestrial contact. [Automatically generated summary]
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Space Recovery and Interviews00:14:25
And we are live.
This is Dark Journalist.
What a fantastic crowd we have out there in the ideas room already.
Of course, tonight I am joined by the lovely Olivia.
Hi, everybody.
And Olivia, I took a trip on Gemini spacecraft and I passed through the shadow of Jupiter, really felt blue.
And there's a lot, a lot of space in tonight's episode, including recovery of things from space.
But we're going to go into a very deep space with all of it.
As we're looking into Roswell Reignited and all of the new evidence that we're going to put forward, of course, we started with this series of Roswell Reignited about three weeks ago and put some really shocking things on the record just for part one, like just out of the gate.
And now we're going into an even deeper space with it.
And, you know, this is going to run about six episodes.
And I'll tell you where it's going is, you know, Way out.
And there's a lot of interesting things to report around this.
So just buckle up and get ready because we are going to also have the Roswell anniversary coming up here.
And to have all of this new information that ties Roswell directly in with the JFK assassination with no exaggeration.
And I can point specifically to the figures involved, along with something rather, rather remarkable in terms of a whistleblower in the background who has been helping me with a lot of this.
So that's Dorothy.
And there's a lot, I would say, coming forward on this that really could change history around our whole understanding of it.
So this is going to be exciting.
This is Dark Journalist Special Report Roswell Reignited, a special presentation UFO File Secret Witness.
And we're also going to be taking your questions in part two of tonight's program.
We'll go a couple hours with you.
And in the second half, we'll take your questions.
And before I go any further, Ms. Olivia, what do you got?
Jessica Rodriguez says, DJ is the best journalist.
I don't know any other journalist who is this dedicated to bringing us the truth and from so many sources, especially old books.
Yeah.
She solved the world, says, I think tonight is going to be deep, epic, big.
Well, there's so much left in the record, and then there's so many new things that we can suss out.
If you can get some kind of balance between the incredible research of the past and that great forward looking kind of analysis piece, then you're really, really working with something.
I mean, I feel.
Fortunate to have met and spent time with people like Jim Mars and, you know, some of the people who really went so deep on these subjects, Stanton Friedman, and our talks and our interviews.
You know, we got to do a series of interviews with both of them.
And between Friedman and Mars, you get the government side and you get the UFO side.
And I think Stanton Friedman, in particular, around Roswell, understood the key of the whole thing, which was, you know, it was.
It's kind of leeway into the entire project.
And what I didn't realize initially around Roswell was the degree of kind of brutal lockdown that they kept the truth under and all the blackmail world that was involved with it, the pushing of the boundaries of the whole thing, and bribery also was involved in keeping some of these people quiet.
So, and terminal threats also.
Yes.
Yes.
That's the brutality part.
And It's so hardcore that if you kind of crisscross that with something like the Kennedy assassination, where you have all these witness deaths and everything else.
Well, I'll tell you, there's a lot of deaths around the Roswell incident as well.
And the timing of those deaths, I think, is absolutely fascinating.
We'll get that historical record crisscrossed just right tonight.
I'm going to start off with some things that are going on in the world of CIA disinformation around UFOs.
We're going to dig in on that as well, including the second part of the Wall Street Journal article, which dropped.
And this is a very interesting battle going on behind the scenes that we're going to introduce you to.
I would say that, you know, this whole thing about the Luna hearings on UFOs is completely.
Completely burnt out.
And she was supposed to do all these revelatory hearings.
And she didn't get to any on the UFO file, but she did two Kennedy ones.
And they were pretty, you know, lightweight, milk toasty, and, you know, pretty weak.
They were pretty weak.
And they didn't pack a real punch and they didn't bring forward that subpoena power or really put any great witnesses on display there for testimony.
What they did was they kind of raised the specter that, you know, we can talk about this and that the official government position is absurd after 60 years.
Well, the official government position around Roswell is also absurd after 78 years, come July 8th.
So, you know, that whole thing about the weather balloon and all that weather balloon, magic bullet, the whole thing comes out of this, you know, fairy dust bag of the government when they want to cover things up.
But in the particular piece around Roswell, one of the things.
That I think has been crucial and that's missing is the background around Foster.
And that's something which, once I opened that up, you know, I was able, first episode now, Roswell reignited, to bring something that's totally new that had never, ever been discussed on Roswell.
This is the key important things because, you know, we will draw on research that's out there and available from the best researchers.
You know, there's great people, everyone from Don Schmidt and, you know, all those guys who've covered it for years.
Like I said, Stanton Friedman, the late Stanton Friedman, all of that comes into play.
And I'll draw on all of those resources and identify them.
But there are new, and I mean totally brand new things that we're bringing forward, like the presence of Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone, who was the person who went into the Texas School Book Depository and found the Oswald gun, identified it as a 7.65 Mauser, not a Carcano.
And he's the same person I revealed who goes on to run the activities of the owner of the Foster Ranch where the UFO crashed.
So he became the CEO of their businesses, and their businesses dealt with placing children, orphanages, and all this stuff.
He was the top man.
And one of the things that we brought forward in that first Roswell Reignited was that a series of UFO abductions happened in some of those children's homes.
You have a very strange crossover with all of it, but it goes, of course, much, much deeper than you can imagine.
I was able to, in my second interview, part two with Dr. Joseph Farrell, which is available at darkjournalist.com.
We put out last week part one, and part two is on the site.
And it's interesting because one of the things I was able to do, since he had done a whole book around Roswell and the exotic technology explanations around it, I was able to put forward this information to him to gauge his own reaction.
And Joseph went off the charts with it.
He said, This is big, this is explosive.
And he'd done the really deep research around Roswell for his book.
So to hear him say that was quite powerful.
But just wait, you ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to this.
And we'll get right into it with you.
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It's free and it's going to let you know about the incredible interviews we have coming up for you.
Well, we just did Farrell, we have Bosley coming up, Gigi Young, all kinds of incredible episodes and interviews in the summer.
X series episodes that'll blow your mind, including X200 coming up in July.
Of course, it's going to be dizzying.
And this one is really part two of 199, X199, which Roswell reignited one.
And so this whole miniseries thing plays right into it.
But all that's coming up documentaries, of course, the docu series that we've been doing, Pyramid X, about all the discoveries of the Hall of Records over there in Egypt, and also the JFK and the UFO file.
All of those are in there in the newsletter.
We'll let you know about the exciting things we have coming up for you and live events.
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Before I go any further, Miss Olivia, what do you got?
Deep404 says The first time I saw Feral Shocked was in that recent show.
Yeah.
Also, I wonder if you can address this.
Travel and Eats with Blue Dog says So NASA has been busy the last few days saying they found unidentified signals coming from underground and in the Arctic and Mars.
Wonder why?
Yeah, well, Antarctica, where some of these reports came out of, I think that this has been going on for a long, long time.
And it relates to some of the research that we've done around it.
Of course, we've had these whistleblowers out there like Hecker and some of these other guys, but really some of this is coming forward that some of the deep, deep testing went on in Antarctica.
And I traced it back in my documentary, which was JFK UFO file, the final speech about JFK and Berkner.
And Berkner had been in Antarctica with Admiral Byrd.
He'd spent all that time with him there, and I mean a long time in the first major voyage to Antarctica.
And then he turns up later in the middle of the Robertson UFO panel.
He's actually running it.
So he's an Antarctica guy, he's a UFO file guy, and then he's the guy who sets up the IGY, the International Geophysical Year, where they get all the scientists together to measure the ionosphere.
But something deep was going on there that had to do with Antarctica and also a certain amount.
Of UFO espionage, which I call espionage, of course.
So that goes deep, deep.
And Berkner is a transformative figure.
He's the figure JFK is going to meet at the trademark when he gets assassinated.
So that's where he's headed.
He's going to meet him.
They're going to do, as I put out in the documentary, this incredible meeting where they fly in through Air Force One, a flag that has flown over the White House that Kennedy's going to hand to Berkner.
And Berkner later lets out this.
Note to his students saying President Kennedy was going to have something to say that was going to be staggering on an international level.
So, this is major, everything that was taking place there.
And it was all unplugged with the assassination.
And then later, of course, Berkner himself ends up kind of an ex protect statistic, dying just a few years later under mysterious circumstances.
Oh, I'm about to give a speech for a think tank.
I think I'll stop off and get a cheeseburger, have the cheeseburger, and die just before I give the speech.
So, you know, not an old guy.
I think he was 62 years old.
And of course, you never know, you know, with health and everything else, but seems very interesting time wise.
And I noted this about certain figures in relation to figures who were related to the Roswell incident, that they died the same year as President Kennedy.
And the only reason that that is so strange is that we're finding an amazing crisscross between the two events, that we'll put forward more of that tonight as we get deep, deep into the special presentation of Roswell Reignited 2, the UFO file.
Secret witness.
What else you got there?
Bat Cat says My best guess at Roswell is German jet aircraft flown up from South America and the alien story cooked up as cover, not wishing it known the Nazis were still active in any way.
Do you want to address this theory?
There's a problem with it.
And I know some really intelligent people who would take your position, but there's a big problem with it, which is the story got out by accident and was snuffed out and was gone.
Okay.
So that by 1947, after the incident, and they cut it off, first the press release goes out before all the interference can happen.
Then they clamp down the story, they threaten everybody, and they clamp down hard.
And I have some of those brigadier generals talking about it, and we're going to put them in the spotlight tonight as well, who say, Yeah, we were told this is beyond top secret.
You can't mention it.
Basically, firing squad.
So, you know, the ultimate.
Top secret in all of it beyond nuclear.
Okay.
So that's why they killed the story.
And that's why it did not reemerge again until 1978.
So you go 47 to 78.
Okay.
That's 31.
And ultimately, it's really 32 years because it doesn't come out in earnest till 79.
So 32 years are just sitting on the story.
There's not a lot of books talking about Roswell.
Animals Sense Alien Danger00:08:46
There's nothing.
Okay.
I found one reference in all of that time in between.
Now, we do know that Dorothy Kilgallen was aware that something had taken place.
I find that very, very interesting.
I've got the quote from Frank Edwards.
Come on back.
And this is interesting because this book is from 1965.
It's Flying Saucers Serious Business.
And Edwards was deep on the UFO file.
He was also very in with a series of big presidents like Truman and Eisenhower.
And Frank Edwards, you know, he did the really hardcore Men in Black stuff and all the rest of it.
He was one of the first.
There he is with his good pal, Harry Truman.
So this guy, you know, locked in with the very best at the very highest level of political power.
And here he is in this book.
And it's basically the only reference you're going to find between 47 and 79 to this.
And he goes, the heat waves and the electromagnetic effects.
Are transient phases which are easily brushed off.
The holes and burning bushes and fused glass found at some of the landing sites in Socorro, New Mexico, for example, can easily be construed to be something else or nothing at all for public consumption.
Watch them.
If by physical evidence we restrict ourselves to hardware, fragments of debris seen or known and come from UFOs, then that is a different story.
And it does not parallel the official denials.
There are such difficult cases as the rancher near Roswell, New Mexico, who phoned the sheriff that a blazing disc shaped object had passed over his house at low altitude and had crashed and burned at a hillside within view of the house.
The sheriff called the military.
The military came in and they came in on the double quick.
Newsmen were not permitted in the area.
A week later, however, the government released a photograph of a serviceman holding up a box kite with an aluminum disc about the size of a large pie pan dangling from the bottom of the kite.
This is the official report explained was a device borne aloft with the kite, and Officer Marcel got it wrong.
Now, that's in a book in 1966.
There's a mention of Roswell there.
So he was aware of it, he had the inside track on it.
But it had been wiped from history.
So, you know, we have to keep in mind just how suppressed this story was.
So, therefore, the idea of saying, oh, you know, the US put out this cover story about a UFO, they would never have done that.
And they did not want people looking into UFOs at all, one.
And two, they basically, when that story came out, they did everything to suppress it, including threaten top ranking officers and their families.
So, no, that doesn't work.
And also, I think that the Nazi explanation doesn't work.
And I'll get into why in the grand scheme of things.
I think you're dealing with something really outside in the Roswell crash.
And I'm going to show how it may relate to some of the things around the Cosmos Club and some of the strange discoveries.
The Cosmos Club might be the key to the entire early understanding and the early wave of understanding what was happening there.
But I think, on the other hand, you know, just.
To have a complete picture, there's no doubt that they looked at Russian, Nazi, you know, whatever explanation at first that they could get their hands on until they figured out, oh, watch out, you know, we're in very deep, deep territory here.
But yeah, you know, it is the kind of thing where there's a number of different explanations that would work, you know, around it.
One of the things, though, there's a little revisionism that gets involved.
With certain types of points of view on this.
One of the revisionist things is that, oh, the government put out a smokescreen about a flying saucer crash.
No, they did everything to suppress it and, in fact, was able to for 32 years, as I said.
So, when you get to the late 70s and Marcel at the end of his life is like, I need to unburden this from my soul, then he tells it.
And then we have all of these things coming out.
What's weird is tonight I'm going to show you that it's quite possible that things like Lazar and some of the more bogus explanations from the government.
And the big push around the phony alien autopsy thing was all to throw people off the trail of the fact that all these Roswell things had finally come into a place where they could be proven.
And some of those witnesses at the end of their life were willing to come forward.
That gets us in really deep.
We're going to do all that, look at all that tonight.
I'm going to start off with a tale of two affidavits.
And that should keep us real for a little while.
What do you got over there before we go?
David Tormina is on the hunt again.
Says So I did some checking and found some interesting characters who were tooling around Roswell back in the day.
The first major hit was Captain Fritz.
The guy in charge of the JFK assassination crime scene, he also went to college in the same town Boone managed, Foster's Ranch for Kids.
They described Fritz as running a highly secretive sheriff's department.
They all wore cowboy hats.
Yeah, yeah, the white cowboy hats of Fritz.
Very interesting.
Very, very interesting.
I'm wondering if that town is Abilene there because there's such an epicenter of activity in Abilene in relation to hijinks, shall we say, around all this.
Although, from what I understand, it's an incredibly nice town there, and the people there are fantastic.
Okay, we've got somebody here who you may recognize from some of the early weather balloon pictures.
So, I'll go through some of these characters here tonight, including the sheriff, who the rancher Mac Brazzle goes to.
And I'll introduce the idea just in general like this.
So, what happens is, you know, you have this incredible, Kerrang on a very stormy night.
People hear it and it sounds basically like an atomic bomb going off.
And they assume, well, yeah, I mean, it's a storm and everything, but we've never heard anything like that.
And all those people are kind of buzzing about this big noise that takes place.
Then the next day, the rancher, Mac Brazel, goes out and he's running the Foster Ranch for the twin brothers, Sherwood Foster and CJ.
And they go out there and he sees all of these different.
Incredible pieces of debris everywhere.
It looks like the biggest kind of plane crash you can imagine and stretches out as far as the eye could see over a mile, according to both Marcel and Brazil.
But Brazil is the rancher who is maintaining things, and it's the Fosters who are in Texas in Stevensville who are running things.
So that's their ranch, and he's running it for them.
And one of the things that's witnessed.
By a local townsperson, is that his first call, and he has to go into town and go to a drugstore to do it, is to his bosses there, the Fosters.
And he says, You've got to get up here because something major has taken place.
The other thing that Brazil noted about it all, and I think with a very keen eye, was that none of his sheep would go through.
They were really, really afraid of this debris.
And it's a very interesting thing when you get somebody to.
A really hardcore study on the whole animals part when you get around the UFO file, because animals have such a repulsion to any kind of alien activity that it should give us a hint that there's something in that apothecary world that they instantly sense the danger of going on, whether it's abductions or.
Sheep Fear Roswell Debris00:06:21
It's just unearthly energy.
Yes, exactly.
And there's a lot of animals in UFO cases.
A lot of people aren't aware that Betty and Barney Hill were traveling with a dog.
And the dog just hides under the seat for the entire thing.
So, you know, they go, take them up into the ship, examine them, bring them back, and the dog stays kind of in this state the whole time.
But I do think it's interesting when you get around this, that whole feeling of how animals are sensing.
David Trimina, by the way, says it's Stevensville.
That's where Fritz attended college.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I might have a couple of things that will pay off about Stevensville as we go along here.
And it came up in the heart of my conversation with Dorothy, who, when she was giving out the information about the Church of Christ, So now, the only thing you can say about DeBose is incredibly hardcore Brigadier General.
I'm going to read some of his credits.
But he's the highest ranking Air Force officer with direct knowledge of the Roswell case.
What's wonderful is at the end of his life, he came forward and was like, I was told to shut up, and I was told it was the highest national security secret, and I couldn't say anything.
He sounds like he's under penalty of execution if he lets it go.
Like you'll be a traitor if you say it.
So, um, he came out right before he died, he did in the 90s.
Okay.
And who did he come out to?
Um, you know, the kind of Roswell researchers and stuff.
And he gave this affidavit and testimony.
But here first is his affidavit.
And he says, My name is Thomas Jefferson DeBose.
I retired from the U.S. Air Force in 1959 with the rank of brigadier general.
In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Airfield, later Carswell Air Force Base, and that's where the wreckage goes.
In Fort Worth, Texas, I served as chief staff to Major General Roger Ramey, commander of the Eighth Air Force.
I had the rank of colonel.
Now, of course, if you're a deep Roswell researcher, a lot of these names are going to be familiar to you, and they play a pivotal role.
In all those History Channel documentaries and all the rest of it, it's always Roger Ramey and You know, Walter Hote and all these guys.
And there's been some good research over the years that would really line up the picture of these people, which I think has been important.
And I think, if anything, the whole reignited part of what we're finding complements everything that those researchers have done.
So it's a nice, you know, it kind of opens up the whole picture.
Okay.
So we stationed at Carswell.
I served as chief of staff to Major General Roger Ramey, commander, 8th Air Force, had the rank of colonel.
In early July, I received a phone call from Major General Clemens McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command.
I should say this about Strategic Air Command or SAC, which is they are the most hardcore.
These are the coldest, cold warriors around.
Curtis LeMay comes out of that.
And they were the ones who were like, let's nuke first and ask questions later.
Once they got the nuclear superiority, they thought we should use it.
You know, we'll keep the Russians in check before they get some kind of parody with us.
And this strain went all the way through, you know, for example, Lloyd Berkner, the physicist who I mentioned, who was going to meet Kennedy at the trademark and had run the UFO panels, he was one of their biggest enemies because he was all in favor of this early warning system as opposed to a first strike doctrine, which is what they favored.
And LeMay was known, you know, for the fire bombing of Japan and things of this nature.
So he was hardcore.
And when he got around Kennedy, He thought, oh, you know, this guy is a paperweight, you know, and he's a lightweight playboy, and we can't leave the defense of the United States to him.
And LeMay becomes one of those figures in the background who is so anti Kennedy, and you can easily picture him being involved in the ultimate effort to push Kennedy out.
So that's what SAC is.
We really have to understand they're the most hardcore players.
And McMullen, who he's identifying here, when he talks about him, he says, This is the guy who wouldn't let people spit on the sidewalk.
He is hardcore.
And so we need to understand that about the cleanup operation, and that's where all the threat stuff comes from.
So, Clements McMullen asked me what we knew about the object, which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press.
I called Colonel Blanchard, commander of the Roswell Army Airfield, which later became Walker Airfield.
And because I know there was some discussion about if by 1963 the Roswell Airfield was no longer there, it had just transmuted itself into Walker. Air Force Base, but it was gone by '67, but was there during the Kennedy assassinate.
And I called William Blanchard, commander of the Roswell Army Airfield, and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth.
I so informed Major General McMullen.
After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the base commander, Colonel L. Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it.
In a B 26 to Major General McMullen in Washington, D.C., I notified McMullen and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, commanding general of Air Material Command at Wright Field, later Wright Patterson Air Force Base, which is classically the hub, the center of UFO redevelopment.
The Real Crash Location00:13:58
The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy.
The material shown in the photographs taken in Major General Ramey's office.
Was a weather balloon.
The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press.
Okay, that's the brigadier general involved in the cover up.
So he, along with Marcel at the end of their lives, you know, Marcel, of course, went first, but he's saying also, no, this is complete bunk and I'm able, I'm at liberty to say it now.
I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection, signed.
Thomas Jefferson de Bose.
And it's witnessed by a notary public in Florida.
And he dies just a little bit after that.
But a shocking, really kind of shocking thing that he puts on the record there that the entire cover story was a fake.
And there's the top guy involved in it saying, this is a fake.
That's when we did it.
So the idea that that's still the official version.
And then they changed that to the mogul balloon explanation.
You know, it's bogus, just like the Oswald explanation is so bogus.
So we're living in kind of a bogus history where.
Floating above this bogus history.
And the question is, what do we do when we get into those types of situations?
You know, how do you correct the course of the whole thing?
And a lot of this has to do with mashing the wall of secrecy and getting to that point, which is why some of the things that we started off talking about here today, like the UFO hearings in Congress, the JFK hearings in Congress, they don't go nearly close enough or far enough.
And I'm going to explain.
How the war in the background around the UFO file and the power struggle that's been going on, we're right at a tipping point with it.
And we're in a position where we could tip it in the right direction and really expose the Melons and Elizondas and all the rest of it.
But it's going to take that whole glitterati of the UFO world, you know, who are kind of safe in their television specials and all that kind of stuff, to really throw that thing over.
And that thing is incredibly well financed and has incredible.
Connections on the media side.
So, you know, the types of individuals that we've mentioned before who've been studying this and had a good track record before the wreck of the 2017 phony CIA UFO threat disclosure thing came out with Elizondo and TTSA and all that.
There were a group of people who really came out of that more respectable and really kind of hardcore research version of the UFO file.
And like I said, Friedman was.
The main one, and he died unfortunately in 2019.
And some of the other guys, you know, who were just around the whole thing, like Knapp and Dolan and those types of people, they all bowed down to this Mellon CIA Elizondo operation.
And we've had years of it now, however, that thing is in trouble in real trouble.
And I'm going to get into why as we go along here tonight in this special presentation.
This is Roswell Reignited, part two UFO file.
Secret witness.
And this is a breakthrough, major breakthrough around the whole subject.
Of course, we're going to be taking your questions in the second half of tonight's program.
And like I said, the show will run about two hours.
So maybe in about a half hour, we'll start taking your questions.
Before I go any further, what do you got?
Esoteric369 says DJ, there are some whispers in the alternative community that the Roswell alleged were benevolent in trying to help us, but the current political climate chose otherwise and hence killed them.
What do you say?
I think that there were some exchanges with beings from somewhere else.
And now, part of this goes deep because, you know, if you study the Mystery School track on this, you understand there was very advanced technology in humanity's ancient past.
We put that across.
Actually, in the Pyramid X documentary we just did, which had such a great reception, we put that out in May.
And that, you know, so much of it is in there about the ancient technology part, including so much of Casey's work telling us, well, you know, in fact, you know, the Atlantean technology is just like what Ezekiel saw, but that was much, much later, meaning someone had kept the technology all the way between 10,500 BC and maybe like 1200 BC.
So who was keeping it there?
So somebody's operating this very, very exotic technology.
So, the idea that there's an other group that's involved that's not an outer space visitor, that's not an off world visitor, but is a terrestrial, you know, twin, then, you know, there's that to consider as well.
So, in terms of these, the group of beings that was operating the Roswell crafts, Are definitely part of what we see later emerging as the whole graze and that kind of thing.
But they seem to me to have really gotten into trouble.
And, you know, you hear about in some of the discoveries, for example, Barney Barnett, who was the water commissioner, is a fantastic witness to the whole thing.
And he's just doing a survey and he comes across this ship that's wrecked and it's at the secondary site.
And this is what gets very interesting, too.
When you read about Roswell, you just think, well, everything crashed on the Roswell, the Foster Ranch, and Mac Brazzle found it and called Marcel and all the rest of it.
Well, as these researchers go in, there apparently is a secondary site.
Okay.
And then it sounds like there's a third site, which is clearly 150 miles away.
And so Stanton Friedman's idea was mid air collision, you know, and that's where the problem is.
It's two crafts that you're dealing with.
There's a lot of different ways to look at it.
One of the interesting ways, I think, to look at it is a craft gets into trouble.
Either we shoot at it, or it's struck by lightning, or it has its own internal issue.
And, uh, It crashes, and then there's like an escape shuttlecraft type thing, and those guys go down.
So I think that's kind of the fundamental story.
But I do think it's interesting that when you get into the second site and the Barney Barnett story, he was known to be impeccable.
So when he tells this story to his family and to his friends, and he's threatened not to, you know, by the army and all the rest, they take it, you know, they come out years and years later and say, he told us all about what he discovered.
It's also the incredible, I mean, confluence of influences.
And it goes something like this there's an archaeological team from the University of Pennsylvania.
Now, the University of Pennsylvania shows up over and over again when it comes to deep secrets around archaeology, including the fact that the Two Eye Stone and what Casey described as the Atlantean power fire stone, that aspects and elements related to it were taken.
To the Pennsylvania Museum from Yucatan in 1933.
So instantly you get into that.
But we've put so many shows about the University of Pennsylvania out there around this and all the people and things that have come through it, including Musk and other people.
I mean, all kinds of people have come through this system Zahi Hawass and all the rest of it.
It makes you wonder about just how hardcore that is.
But anyway, this archaeological group that's in Roswell.
Is coming through, and it's a group of about nine people, and they are doing Native American research, petroglyphs, and things of this nature.
And they run across at the very same time that Barney Barnett runs across this, they come up and see the craft and the bodies on the ground.
And what you see from those descriptions of Barnett's, because we never get to talk to the archaeological people, they're spooked, but they may have taken some of that info back to the university with them.
But what you see in that description is, you know, these dead aliens out of the craft and then one alien alive.
That comes up over and over again in the description.
You know, Frankie Rowe, who famously, you know, her dad was a fireman who came upon the scene and was called out there, he also gave that story that there were, you know, some dead ones on the ground and one alive that they were trying to communicate with.
So this seems to be kind of a A very consistent theme in the literature.
I want to say this about the multiple crash sites and things of that nature.
Marcel indicated something very important.
He said that once the story had got out, once the crash had become known, that they set up false sites so that the public would be thrown off and go to those sites and that no one would know where the actual crash site was.
So they set up and cordoned off areas that didn't need to be cordoned off and they were pretending, you know, hey, look, we found a weather balloon or whatever, and that those weren't the sites.
So when you hear about multiple sites related to Roswell, I think it's fairly certain that there were two.
At least two.
At least two for real.
And, you know, but I think that some of the ones that are thrown in there where people are like, oh, yeah, I saw the army, you know, over here.
It could very well be the, you know, those little productions that Marcel was talking about to throw the public off and make sure that nobody got to the real one.
But I think for sure the beings were in trouble and they crashed.
There was some kind of major crash over the ranch.
And then the shuttlecraft thing went on.
And then, A couple miles out to the northwest, it also crashed.
And that's backed up actually by Dee Proctor, who never went on the record with any of the Roswell researchers, but he was the son of Loretta Proctor, who was the neighbor.
And he, you know, he would go out with Brazzle when he was a kid and Brazzle would, you know, have him do farm chores and things of this nature.
So Dee knew a great deal about what was happening on that particular day.
And At the end of his mother's life, he took her out to what he called the second crash site.
And that was a couple miles northwest.
That makes sense to me.
The Plains of San Augustine stories that come out, I think, are very interesting.
But that is 150 miles, 160 miles away.
And so, you know, it gets to be like, what is that part all about?
But I think the general idea is what we call the Roswell crash actually happened in Corona.
Which is why, when Friedman did a book about it, he called it Crash at Corona.
And it's, you know, that's where it takes place.
And it's interesting because the sheriff involved, Sheriff Wilcox, we'll get into tonight, very, very interesting story there.
But one of the things that always grabbed him was that, you know, he knew Brazil was very sincere.
He dealt with him before.
But he said, you know, he came all the way from Corona to Roswell to talk to me about this.
You know, he must have been completely flabbergasted as to what had taken place there.
Because, you know, that's a really, really long, you know, they were hundreds of miles away.
So that's how far, I mean, Roswell, we understand is the town where it all happened and the army town that responded to it.
But the crash actually happens in Corona.
And all that's going to become important as we go along here.
I'm going to explain why in just a little bit as we go deeper on Roswell Reignited 2, the UFO file secret witness.
Witness becomes very, very important.
Good night.
What else you got?
Jessica Rodriguez says, I believe that they were coming here to help or observe us and our progress, but were struck down by the technology they took from Tesla's room when he died.
And they definitely took technology from the ETs.
Well, you're going deep, deep because that's the whole thing about the Melchizedek device.
We've done three episodes on it.
And that is literally what John Trump, the president's uncle, was looking for.
And he was instructed to look for by the FBI, which was.
Go find this device that Tesla had that could take flying objects down at a distance.
That's a quote.
So, you know, maybe they were looking for the death ray and all that other stuff, but the thing that they wanted Donald Trump to get was the thing that could pull down UFOs.
And it's interesting.
We've gone into the stories about George Adamski and others.
And I have to say that it's quite fascinating because Adamski, when they tap his phones, he's talking all about this Melchizedek device.
Finding a Deadly Rifle00:03:11
And we went into the whole thing through a series of episodes about Brother Sunburst.
Who was this kind of new age cult and became really one of the first major organic roasters in the entire country?
And he became incredibly, fabulously wealthy.
And, you know, he had married Van Tassel's daughter and ultimately divorced and all the rest of it.
But he became part of the network, I believe, of hiding that device.
So, yeah, the Brother Sunburst episodes are going to get you going for sure.
Okay.
Here's another affidavit.
Okay, here's a tale of two affidavits.
County of Dallas Sheriff's Department Supplementary Investigation Report, November 22, 1963.
Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone.
Sheriff Decker, I was assisting in the search of the sixth floor of the Dallas County Book Depository at Elm Street and Houston Street.
Proceeding from the east side of the building, Officer Whiteman, BPD, and I were together as we approached the northwest corner of the building.
I don't know what they're leaving out there, but I saw the rifle partially hidden between a row of books and two other boxes of books against the rifle.
The rifle appeared to be a 7.65 Mauser with a telescope sight on the rifle.
Captain Fritz.
Was called to the scene, and also someone from the ID XXX.
It actually means the ID department.
Pictures were taken, and Captain Fritz picked up the rifle.
I first saw the rifle at 1 22 p.m. on November 22nd, 1963.
Now, Boone is one of the first policemen in the building.
He's the one who finds the rifle.
And it will also be Roger Craig who will say, Yeah, it was 7.65 Mauser.
Seymour Weitzman, who owns a gun shop, is also one of the cops there, points to the barrel and says it's 7.65 Mauser.
Now, there's been discussion about the Mauser for decades in the Kennedy field, but it becomes very important to understand that Boone is the person who is the first one to find the rifle.
Later, he will say, Oh, I was wrong.
It was a Carcano, just like Oswald's.
And that's the end of Oswald being innocent, right?
So, Boone is at a pivotal place in history when he shows up there in the building and finds the rifle.
This same person, very shortly after the Kennedy assassination, will resign and move into other work besides police work.
One of the incredible jobs that he finds, as I mentioned, is becoming a CEO for the Fosters business.
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And the Fosters are the same Fosters who own the Roswell ranch where the UFO crashed in 1947.
So, this incredible crisscross of those two events and this pivotal figure become even more crucial.
And this is part of the new information and evidence we're putting on the record about this.
As we tie in these other facts, many of them that have been out there by researchers, this one hasn't.
This one we're bringing to you for the first time from our own research and from the help of a whistleblower.
So that's why it's reignited the whole controversy around Roswell as we approach the anniversary here.
And I'll get into just how deep does that go?
What else have we done?
David Termina.
The second hit was Brigadier General Lawrence Craigie.
There's a story about him being flown into the Roswell base after the crash.
He was the guy in charge of the Tesla Death Ray Project Nick at Wright Pat.
Yes, yeah.
Well, that's a good connection.
And I'm going to give you a rather odd connection around all this as well, which has to do with General Ramey.
And Ramey is very interesting because I believe he's put on the spot, he's the one who puts out the weather balloon story.
And he does it with the Brigadier General, who we just quoted his affidavit, Thomas Jefferson de Bose.
And they both know that it's a phony.
And in fact, it's interesting because Marcel says, oh, yeah, Remy put the story up.
He knew.
He knew basically we had a UFO here.
It wasn't a weather boy.
And the fact that the media, the way that they've treated it, and then the sensationalism and marketing off of it, The whole thing has been cheapened in a way which is kind of hard to describe, but this is what happens when things get into this zeitgeist.
However, when you get right down to it, it is a story of a UFO crash being kept hidden by the government for 32 years, and then the top people who dealt with it coming out at the end of their lives and saying, This is what I saw, this is what happened.
One of those things, of course, involved the series of hieroglyphs.
And I think that the I Beam story is crucial because the metal story.
Is very interesting.
I mean, the metal almost sounds like magic, right?
It's lighter than tinfoil and it floats on the air.
You can't do anything to it.
There's this incredible thing where, you know, as intelligence people, they try to do everything to it.
They try to burn it.
They try to make a dent in it.
They try to do anything to it.
It doesn't matter.
It goes back to its normal shape over and over again.
So it's an incredible, incredible material that, you know, like nothing we've ever heard of.
Now, This is the original drawing by Marcel Jr., who, of course, witnessed it all as a 10 year old child.
And because his dad brings the wreckage into the kitchen.
Now, note the figures themselves, because this is going to come up again a little bit later.
But that's what he drew.
That's his own drawing.
And this is the 1980s before anybody else influenced him or whatever.
And I'm also going to show you the drawing of the symbols that his dad made.
And this is the general description of what the material was.
It was this kind of stretch of, you know, beam that was kind of a mix of like wood or metal.
It was just a strange thing with all of these different symbols in it.
And, you know, Marcel, when he was looking at it, said, you know, I might be looking at language from another world.
But they both thought of it as hieroglyphs.
Later, though, it's very interesting because Marcel.
Has this very interesting conversation with a college student that is Marcel Sr.
She's heard about him coming out and talking about this, and she thought, wouldn't this be fantastic?
And she scores this interview with him at the end of his life.
And so she shows up and she's talking with him.
They have a great time.
And she says, Can you draw some of the symbols for me and all the rest?
And he does.
And he signs it.
And that's a shot of that original drawing that he did for her.
And I think it's very interesting also because his symbols do look very kind of mathematical and scientific.
Here, though, is his version.
Of I Beam with the hieroglyphs in it and the purple glow that came off of that.
That's the original drawing that Jesse Marcel Sr. gave her.
And he's the, you know, of course, the first person after Brazil, Mack Brazil, who saw this.
And also, this is a shot of him with the college student giving her that information.
Now, what's interesting is.
I'm guessing that Marcel's house was bugged and that whoever was, you know, bugging it threatened him because there's a lot of threats in the Marcel family.
If you go through that record, I think that they didn't like to talk about it.
So it's not really pointed out as a central piece very often.
But it seems like Jesse Marcel Jr. gets threats on a regular basis, so much so that a senator offers him kind of around the clock protection.
So, you know, we're talking about maybe a side of this that doesn't come out very often.
And I think that Jr., of course, as a flight surgeon in Iraq, really on the front lines and stuff, showed a lot of bravery, just like he did in the face of threats about revealing the truth around this.
And so he and his dad have this kind of trait of extreme patriotism and extreme bravery.
You need to keep that in mind.
Could you show Jesse Marcel Jr.'s picture again?
Yes.
Free Wheezy says they look like chess pieces.
First reaction.
Yeah.
And it's really true.
There's lots of different interpretations, of course.
What's interesting, of course, is that he had an incredibly deep hypnotic session later to get a picture of what the I Beam was.
And NBC News, even though they filmed it, would not let it out because they were so freaked out by the whole thing.
And it's very interesting because when he came out of the hypnotic trance, he starts yelling, you know, dad, dad.
And he's back there, you know, he's 11 years old looking at this stuff.
But we need to keep in mind that mixed in with this very kind of magic metal, as it were, this exotic technology were these I beams.
So they were representative of it.
I want us to keep something in mind, though, because the material is so lightweight.
And he emphasizes this, Marcel Sr., over and over again.
He said, you know, it felt like nothing in your hands.
And as a matter of fact, there are descriptions of different people, like Sheriff Wilcox, floating it so that it just sort of floats in there.
So the thing had an anti gravity.
Uh, characteristic to it seems to me that when it's animated by the power source, all of these factors come together.
And so, when we see it all spread out, there's something about the I beam, the hieroglyphs, the symbols, and then the tinfoil.
Uh, you know, that this really thin magic foil that nobody knew what it was and how it had these incredible properties that it couldn't be burned or bent or you know, broken in any way, or you know, they couldn't do anything to it, always go back to its normal shape.
That's what fascinated them.
When you think about that, you're really dealing with something which, when it's animated, does what it does.
And then we don't understand it once the power source is pulled away.
Have all these fragments thing, so I think that's kind of a healthy uh thing to keep in mind as we go along here.
Uh, what else have you got?
Golden Girl says, Whoa, DK, those runes drawings are crazy cool, like language.
They utilize sound and light, and all symbolsslash numbers can be used for good or bad intent, said Crowley.
They are neutral, like God/slash creator is.
Crowley comes up tonight, believe it or not, and uh, I believe that actually.
Everything you just calling them runes probably makes the most sense, also.
Well, yeah, I mean, how hardcore were those symbols?
And of course, when you get into the mystery school work, you find out that the work of the high emotional and highest intellectual center communicates directly in symbols, which is why so many dreams operate in symbols.
You know, the idea of regular language of me explaining something to you, you know, that happens on one level when somebody's doing that intellectually.
For you.
But when the symbol hits, you know, when you see like the Star of David or, you know, the Two Eye Stone or the Enneagram or something, the symbol itself grabs you and communicates all it, you know, anything that you need to hear.
Marcel's Secret Integrity00:06:12
I want to say a couple of things that raised my eyebrow when I was looking into this case on a deep, deep level.
And it had to do with the background of Ramey and Jesse Marcel.
And the fact that they were both involved in the atomic testing after the bomb was dropped and the whole Bikini Atoll, all those really hardcore nuclear tests that took place, including some that didn't go so well.
Later, it was rumored that when we did that, there's video of some of the tests that we did over there and that there were UFOs.
That were involved when we blew things on that level.
So, that for me was interesting right off the bat.
I just want to give us a hint of how important Marcel's position was.
There were only in 1946 seven nuclear weapons that even existed.
And the fact that he was in the position to be trusted to test them on the recommendation of Ramey, who later will become the key point person in the cover up of Roswell.
And the fact that, you know, it's going to be Marcel bringing the material to Ramey.
That's interesting to me because they had a previous arrangement there when they, you know, of he knew, Ramey knew that Marcel could deal with secrecy, for example, and he understood his integrity and everything else.
So they already had this symbiotic thing the year before the Roswell incident.
I found that pretty telling.
Also, just how incredibly important Marcel's position was.
You know, he was, in fact, the top intelligence officer and ran security for the only nuclear base that could drop a nuclear weapon in 1947, that 509th group.
And we've had interesting things to say about the 509th.
I have a couple of interesting photos to show in relation to them.
One other thing I want to bring up about Ramey.
And this is him with the phony, oh, look, it was just a weather balloon deal.
And of course, that telegram, when they've shown it from different angles, shows that it says it has words in there like bodies and crash and things like that.
So, you know, there's a lot of researchers who spent a lot of hours going over the visuals on that one.
And for sure, they've got the word bodies and they've got the word crash.
So, you know, you wouldn't say bodies if it was a weather balloon.
So, very interesting, too.
It shows you the kind of, you know, literally stressful, fast situation that they needed to get this out immediately where he's actually holding the telegram.
This is one of those tests that Ramey and Marcel participated in.
That is one of the earliest nuclear tests after the atom bomb was dropped.
Those are all from 1946.
But we need to keep in mind the level of security that these guys operated on.
Absolutely phenomenal.
The top, the top level.
And so if you have top, top secret, when you go above top secret, you're dealing with the UFO file.
That's the crucial thing, I think, that comes into it.
And there were some interesting names in Marcel's background.
And this is just a thing.
It's a kind of idiosyncrasy of mine, which is names that come up unusually.
And over and over again around the UFO file, around the Casey Work Mystery Schools, and all the rest, names come up that might seem almost common or whatever, but I find their frequency around these subjects so interesting.
It shows something's going on in the background.
One of those names is Ketchum.
And that is a name who there's a doctor who originally is the guy who brings Edgar Cayce, for example, to the public.
His name is Wesley Ketchum.
And that's where the New York Times article and how the Sleeping Prophet and all those things happen.
And, you know, it's very interesting to me because the name Ketchum will show up in a number of different places.
The names around.
Marcel, I find particularly interesting.
And Miss Olivia, I haven't shared this with you yet, but I want you to take a crack at some of these names.
Okay.
By the way, the program that they were working on, their General Ramey and Major Marcel, in the year before the Roswell incident was called Operation Crossroads.
So Jesse's name is Jesse Antoine Marcel.
And, Of course, he's the first military officer tasked with investigating the 1947 Roswell incident.
And I'm going to go step by step into the incident in a little snapshot coming up.
He's born in Bio Blue, Louisiana, May 27, 1907.
He's the youngest of seven, born to Theodule and Adelaide Marcel.
So Theodule is T H O D U L E. Isn't that interesting?
I have not run across this name.
And Adelaide, you know, we've run across it, but it's also quite interesting.
And the other name I found interesting around him was his wife.
He married Bayud Aileen Abrams, and her name is B I A U D A L E E N. Isn't that interesting?
Decoding Family Names00:15:45
I mean, you know, and of course, I always look at it, a lot of people look at conspiracies and things and think, aha, you know, it's a state agency doing this thing and putting it all together.
I think there's kind of a huge, interesting tapestry behind the scenes that causes these things to all kind of connect up at different points.
There's a kind of a destiny idea involved with it, and well, but the names around Jesse Marcel, it's not like, you know, Mary Smith and Joe Taggart.
Yeah, I mean, these are really interesting names.
The other thing I think is interesting when we're looking at Marcel is that he also spends time when he's teaching intelligence because he's so good, he becomes the main instructor for the top intelligence college.
And that's in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
So, Pennsylvania shows up over and over again.
And it's funny because whenever you get around the official explanations and the bios of these people, either they leave the Roswell part out or when they include it, they include it with the ridiculous weather balloon story, which is completely debunked.
And I saw recently on Twitter somebody was doing this and they were like, obviously, this is a weather balloon.
Look at the picture of him holding it.
And this is somebody who had a following and all the rest of it.
And it becomes absurd.
It's like, Yes, you know, just like the magic bullet, when you're doing it, you have the phony thing and you're saying, like, oh, yeah, you know, here's the magic bullet, sure, but that's the cover story.
That's why it's there in history and you can go find it.
You know, if you're ever going to penetrate to the truth, you need to go beyond the veil of what you've been programmed with propaganda to accept, obviously.
And so we get a lot of that around the field, which is in order not to be, you know, on this far out tip with the UFO thing or whatever.
These people try to go to the middle of debunking everything.
And that doesn't get you anywhere because when you line up with the debunkers, you're really lining up with, you know, it's the ultimate non truth telling thing.
So there's an incredible balance that needs to be had in terms of a skeptical view versus an open mind.
And are there people who would exploit, you know, the fact that there's more to these stories and include junk conspiracy with them?
Absolutely.
And, you know, there's an incredible, we're awash in junk conspiracy.
You know, when it comes down to it.
But at the same time, you have to admit that the official explanations for these things, here's the rule in dark journalism you know, you have the official explanation, which is to what?
Protect the government, protect the institution.
Then the secondary story, where the researcher, the professors, you know, and others get in there, the writers, and, you know, tear this thing apart and say, no, the official story is bunk.
And then the third thing comes in, and that's the junk conspiracy.
And you get all of these other things to throw you off of the main thing, and it becomes so obfuscated that people say, Well, I'll just go back to the official version.
So that junk.
They muddy the water so much, they say, Ah, I don't even care.
Yes.
And that's the thing, because what happens is when you get that third junk conspiracy piece in, it's usually put out by the very same people who put out the false story in the beginning.
So you have to be very canny when it comes to these things, and you cannot adopt a flat debunking thing.
And you can't just accept everything that everybody says.
You have to balance it out and bring it through.
You know, the noise, just like when things get co opted, like the CIA tries to co opt so much information around the UFO file, it doesn't mean that the UFO file is just some figment of the CIA's imagination.
They're just using what's out there to keep you away from the actual truth.
That's why you have counterintelligence.
Translation they're the best liars on the planet.
Those are the people who come forward and say, I'm a whistleblower, you know.
It was very funny to me because, just to take a little respite on this for a second, a detour to this Wall Street Journal article that came out.
But, you know, the Wall Street Journal, they need to learn a lot about UFOs, okay?
But at the same time, they know there's enough weakness in that CIA UFO threat piece and characters like Elizondo and Mellon and all the rest of it that they blew a hole through so much of their nonsense.
But you see, this is the weird thing because the idea is oh, the Pentagon disinformation that fueled America's UFO mythology.
You see how they want to make the UFO thing, they're trying to put it back in the box.
But what's interesting is that's not the right thing to do either.
So, yes, debunk the CIA UFO threat, but get to the real cases, get to the heart of it.
Instead, they're trying to throw the whole thing out and get back to this old pose of X protects secrecy.
We don't let anything out.
And the CIA thing is just, oh no, we can co opt it.
We use the real stories, we'll pretend there's a UFO threat, and we won't let any of the real stuff out, but we'll.
Create this incredible boondoggle for a UFO defense office.
So now they've done a second version of this.
And was it scrap metal or an alien spacecraft?
The Army asked an elite defense lab to investigate.
Pentagon true believers explored the fringes of science from psychic spies to teleportation to anti gravity material.
And they've got Elizondo right in the heart of that.
Here's what's interesting first of all, Elizondo has disappeared off the scene.
He put that book out.
Which is a terrible book.
It was called Imminent.
I call it Imminent BS because of the nature of the kind of lies that this counterintel guy tells.
And what's interesting to me is in this article, they talk about Elizondo and they stick with the official line that this guy quit his job with the government in order to come out and be a whistleblower, basically portraying him as something of a heretic and all this.
Look, Elizondo never left the government.
Hello, Wall Street Journal writers, Joel Schechman and this other guy.
You didn't do your research because that's his official story in the New York Times that, oh, you know, I have to fight that government.
And I left my job because they weren't paying attention to UFOs.
Complete bunk.
I found out that he was working for four different government agencies.
Okay.
That's on the record.
And when they asked him, they finally pushed him after all these softball interviews.
For two months, and for it actually came out two years after he was out in public.
And he said, finally, someone from the intercept said, Do you work for the government now?
And he said, Yeah, but it's not what you think.
So, you know, he just changed titles.
He still worked for the government.
And his own lawyer said that he worked for Space Force.
Okay.
So, you know, this is not a guy who left the government as a whistleblower and was trying to get the truth out.
He just had a story, and the story was, you know, Hey, my friend Leslie Kane is going to write this thing that says, I'm a whistleblower who quit his job because I want the truth about UFOs.
He was just sent out as a counterintel guy to create this whole storyline in the UFO community.
That's the story, Wall Street Journal.
That's the one to go after.
But I do think it's interesting because their position on the UFO threat side with Chris Mellon and Elizondo has fallen apart so badly that it's really on the ropes.
And a lot of people wouldn't even want to be associated with them.
I've seen cracks in that.
And it's interesting because we've pointed out, what, for five or six years about the nonsense that these guys have been peddling for a UFO threat.
And now you finally see some starting to dawn on some of these big podcasts and all the rest of it.
Oh, yeah, this is BS.
We are being played by a counterintel group.
And so the Wall Street Journal thing is kind of the nail in that coffin.
What you should do as a field to get to the truth in all of it is take advantage of the moment and really push out the Mellon, Elizondo, false thing and get those kind of bigger players in the UFO field to disown them and disavow them and literally to say, I was fooled or whatever it happens to be.
You know, or I was bribed or whatever.
You know, I was given promises about being on the inside or whatever.
It was all bunk.
It was all, you were all played by the Central Intelligence Agency and you heard it here first.
Come on.
As it was a lone outpost putting out this information.
And I'll tell you, it's fascinating because as it crumbles, you know, in the embers of what's crumbling, they're trying to reconstruct some kind of position.
And that's where these Wall Street Journal articles come out.
But it's very interesting to me because the thing that, If the Wall Street Journal wants to be responsible, what they should do is they should take Mellon and Elizondo and break the whole thing about the UFO threat piece and how the CIA set it up through these people, including billionaire Mellon, who's controlling the whistleblowers.
And of course, we've put that on the record as well.
That is the nature of reporting when you get into this, not just, oh, hey, these government enthusiasts wanted to get into UFOs and they used the government stories to do it.
You know, that's completely wrong as well.
So we need to keep that in mind as we go along here.
If you're going to smash the op, this is the time to do it.
Trust me.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist show.
Hey, maybe you could even revive the Luna panel, which remember all those things they did about Luna?
They had her looking out into these pictures of UFOs, and they were like, the truth is going to come out.
They had these theatrical things going on, and nothing happened.
All of her committees got canceled around the UFO file because the participants got sick.
And they were coming in from different states, you know, Grush and Mellon and Elizondo.
They were all coming in from different states and they all got sick.
So you couldn't do it.
I mean, you know, the thing strains credibility, let's face it.
If you really want to make those, you still have the ability until the end of September, you know, make the committees great again, go in there and smash that whole secrecy thing and get rid of this op that's been active since 2017.
Of course, the original op goes back to 19. 47, as we know.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
It's Roswell reignited to UFO file secret witness, going deep, deep on the UFO side tonight in the UFO file.
We'll be taking your questions here shortly in about 15 minutes, and then I'll turn it over to Miss Olivia.
In the meantime, what do you got?
Stefan Vanderlaan wants to know I've asked this question before, but why did Linda Moulton Howe give the original metal evidence to Elizondo, TTSCIA?
Well, I understand that.
I mean, I, you know, that came through the Art Bell thing, and they reference Art Bell in the article.
Actually, I'll read a little bit of that, and then as a way of explaining, answering your questions.
In 1996, Art Bell, a late night radio host, whose program on the paranormal was one of the most popular in the country, received a mystery package in the mail.
It contained metal fragments from an anonymous listener.
Who wrote that their grandfather had collected them as part of a military crash retrieval team at Roswell?
This is very interesting because this piece eventually was willed or left by Art Bell to Linda because of all the incredible reports that she had done for him.
And that's a shot of art from the article there.
And, you know, Art Bell's show opened up a great deal of things.
He had a sense of entertainment to him as well.
And, you know, but there was that whole piece about bringing this through some kind of a lens.
And some edgy things happened on that show.
But I think that basically she'd come to her end of the rope with it, you know, trying to get it tested and all the rest of it.
And at a certain point, TTSA said, Hey, you know, we're going to do this whole thing through the army.
How about we give you $35,000 for it?
And she sold to them with the idea of like, Hey, you know, do something with it.
And God knows they probably just recaptured it for, you know, the whole group that covered it up in the first place.
So it's a kind of a circuitous route back to the same people who originated the secrecy.
But I will say this that 35,000 is not enough in any way, shape, or form.
She sold it.
I know.
It's too bad.
It's too bad.
But, you know, she's put so many worthwhile things on the record that, you know, my feeling is this was just one of those things where they approached her.
And I know, you know, from knowing Linda and having conversations with her and stuff, she understands the.
The schlock quality around the Elizondo op and all the rest.
Trust me, she understands it quite well.
But I will say this that the deeper you get into it, there's the idea that there is a piece, a fragment of this craft that could be kind of re engineered and studied out there.
The amount of things that they did to get the material seems like everyone had a little bit of it, including the fact that.
Mac Brazzle's son kept a box of it for a couple of years, and then somewhere along the line, he mouthed off about it, and the army visited him and took it away.
But, you know, there were things that they missed, and there were parts that got away.
And it's very interesting because it's Calvin Parker, the UFO contactee from, you know, this incredible 1973 case Pascagoula, who tells the story of meeting Marcel just before he died.
And Marcel wanted to meet him because he'd had this experience.
And he went deep into it with him.
And it was funny because, you know, they did this Roswell special recently.
And they talked to Calvin Parker, the late Calvin Parker, who passed away just recently.
Very, very interesting guy with a powerful, powerful experience.
And they kind of just throw him in there and they're like, yeah.
And Marcel shared all this information with him.
And they don't mention that Calvin Parker was an abductee himself.
And that's why Marcel was talking to him.
But it's very interesting because when you get into it, what Marcel tells him is, you know what?
I kept a substantial piece of the wreckage because I always wanted it to hold on to.
And I wonder if that wasn't some kind of an insurance policy of some kind that Marcel had in the background there.
Putting Truth on Record00:02:08
Because as an Intel agent, you know, he had this oath to uphold the secrecy.
And he kept, he said, you know, he brags about it.
Well, I kept secrecy for 32 years.
What's interesting, though, is he tells our friend, Calvin Parker, if you go downstairs into the basement, on the top of the water heater, there's a shelf.
And, you know, there is, if you go over there with a screwdriver, you can get the piece.
I can show it to you.
They get interrupted.
And what's interesting is whoever interrupted them, Calvin Parker said, well, I didn't feel welcome anymore.
I left.
Plans to come back and then he died.
I never got around to like who got the piece or whatever happened to it.
But it's very interesting because someone somewhere along the line got that piece.
There's no question in my mind.
And what is also interesting is the story I was telling earlier about the college student who interviews Marcel.
Well, this is quite fascinating because one of the things that he says along the way is, you know, she's like, I get the impression that you haven't told everything.
And he said, I can't, you know, I'm upholding an oath to my country.
I couldn't.
And there's some things the world isn't ready for.
Now, some of the things that have come out in terms of him talking to family members and things like this, like nieces and things like that, literally have to do with the fact that he saw bodies and that he was aware of that aspect of the whole crash retrieval program, although he didn't talk about that as part of his own testimony.
And, but he gave those hints to the college student in the recording.
I've heard the recording.
And so we can be assured that he did.
And also, I think when we're looking at the testimony there of Brigadier General Thomas Dubose, he also saw the bodies.
So, you know, these guys were on a very high level.
They had just fought World War II, they were dealing with atomic weapons.
Transparency for America00:02:34
And then this thing comes up.
So, you know, you can imagine.
But I think it's very important that at the end of their lives, they tried to put it on the record because they thought, in the spirit of transparency for America, it was important.
This is what was important.
And in my mind, as I was saying at the outset of the program, when you get into things that kind of made a joke of it, like the alien autopsy thing, and you think about a guy like Ray Santilli who put that on, kind of masquerading promoter guy, and all the attention that he got for doing it.
The fact that Fox put it on and all the rest of it.
It kind of killed the credibility of the whole idea of it, got Roswell kind of off the radar.
And although it's kept on there, it might have been reaching a sort of boiling point when you had people like Brigadier Generals and stuff coming forward and saying, yeah, the weather balloon story was a fake and this was an outer space craft.
It may have been that they needed a separate op like Lazar.
On one hand, and the alien autopsy thing on the other to completely move the public off the track.
And that's the kind of counterintelligence program that I think we were dealing with.
Yeah, what do you got?
David Schmidt says it's funny because the moon landing deniers always point to the flimsy foil used on the Apollo lunar lander craft.
Perhaps they use that incredible memory metal.
That's a good point.
That's a fun theory.
Yeah, I am.
I want to bring in something odd about the actual location, the actual time, and the figures around it.
And it might seem tangential.
It might seem, you know, I mean, what I found by going into it is that it's right at the heart of the entire thing.
But, you know, at first glance, it might not seem to be.
And yet, if we pay close attention, watch out, because this might give us a real hint as to what's going on here.
And again, the idea of entertainment figures around this whole thing becomes very interesting.
Whenever we got around the Kennedy assassination, all the entertainment figures like Sinatra and other people that were around it, Very interesting that we had a couple of early celebrities around this, and then later ones who were directly related to Roswell, believe it or not.
Celebrities and Conspiracy00:02:47
And I'm going to read about that right now as we go.
Then we're going to take your questions.
How does that sound?
Sounds good.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
This is Roswell Reignited, UFO Secret Witness, on our way up to X Series 200 coming up in July.
And that's going to be explosive.
But we're revealing more and more of the truth.
Of course, the great bombshell in the heart of this.
Is that Eugene Boone, who, and this is something we're putting on the record, who is the first policeman to go into the Texas School Book Depository to find the gun and does, has an affidavit to that effect, and is in history as the person who found the gun.
And that's how Oswald gets convicted in the public mind.
He also was the same person who was running all of the Foster businesses.
He was the CEO of their entire businesses.
Sherwood Foster and his brother were the owners of the Foster Ranch.
Of course, the government bought the Foster Ranch and offered them anything that they wanted to make sure that they got the whole thing from them.
And as the story goes, the Fosters didn't want to sell.
And then they were told, look, we need this.
And you're not getting out without doing this, but we're going to make it easy for you.
We're going to give you mineral rights and make your Texas oil stuff that you have now seem like chump change compared to the big oil that you're going to get.
And then, that's substantiated.
The unsubstantiated thing is about a gold mine.
But there's no question that they became incredibly, fabulously wealthy as a result of being bought off.
But their grandchildren came by this information later and said, you know, they were never quite the same after that crash.
And there's a huge thing in the middle of it because, of course, the guy we're talking about, boom.
Who was the policeman who was the first one to find the Oswald rifle?
And he also ran the Foster Ranch, Foster Business.
Brazil, Mac Brazil ran the ranch.
And he became the CEO of all of their business.
But here's what's really fascinating if you think about him he's also connected in with the Church of Christ, which is what they belong to.
And this is the network that was able to kind of move things in a secretive fashion.
And so there's a lot.
In the thick of this story as we go along, that we're going to get around to, but right now I'm going to go to the entertainment side.
An unusual story about an interesting British fellow named Huey Green.
Huey Green, okay.
Radio Producer Connections00:07:06
Um, he's so interesting, and um, this goes into such places that you're not going to believe it.
But first of all, let's get a handle on our friend Huey.
Huey, one of the first things I want to point out about him is when he was in World War II, he saw Foo Fighter.
So let's get that on the record right away, according to his own testimony in interviews.
But he ran a show called Opportunity Knocks, which was kind of like a mix of a quiz show with The Price is Right.
And it was a big hit there for two decades or so in the UK.
And Very interesting because he ended up, even though he was born over there, he ended up living in Canada.
And for many, many years, he did this show with a producer, this guy, Jess.
And Jess, very interesting, they did the show together for 20 years and then suddenly had this huge falling out.
And that's going to become interesting.
But before all that happens, our friend, Tyr, is driving cross country and he's driving from California, where he's got an acting job.
All the way over to Philadelphia, where he has this radio gig that he's going to do.
And this is in July of 1947.
Now, while he's on that epic drive, and that's a pretty mighty drive.
How many miles is that?
2,500, something like that.
And he's driving along.
I know it's 3,000 from here to California.
So to Philadelphia must be pretty similar.
And while he's doing it, He had been a child performer and he'd been in movies and things like that, but it's really not until he gets that show that he becomes a big shot.
So there's a talent show called Opportunity Knocks, which starts as a radio show and then becomes a TV show.
But so he's up for this early radio gig after he finishes this movie.
He's driving along and driving along, and what happens?
He hears, as he's driving across America, a UFO crash over the radio.
Crash in Roswell, New Mexico.
And he's, wow, this is something that keeps him company while he's driving.
He's taking all the facts in, and he's a radio guy.
He knows this is going to be a big deal.
And he's like, wow, you know, an actual UFO crash.
This is such a big deal.
Maybe I can work that into my radio show.
So he's getting these regular reports, getting these regular reports, and then he lands in Philadelphia.
And he figures every newspaper is going to have this thing spattered across their front pages.
But just before, about a half hour before he's driving in, all the reports stop.
He's not hearing anything about the UFO crash.
He gets out and he looks for newspapers, starts talking to people.
Nobody knows anything about it.
He's like, you know, this is really very strange.
So he becomes befuddled about the whole thing, but passes it off and forgets about it.
Well, oddly enough, many years later, our friend, investigator Stanton Friedman, is over there in 1978 in Louisiana and he's getting interviewed by a TV station.
And he hears about Major Jesse Marcel.
And the producer of the show says, You know, you're so into this UFO stuff, you might want to talk to the guy who actually held parts of a UFO that had crashed.
And Denton Friedman can't believe his log.
He's like, What?
And he gets the information and he contacts.
That's how he makes the contact originally with Marcel and how this whole story gets out.
Because remember, this is incredible.
It does not even come out in those 30 years in between.
So, our friend Stan gets this information.
He gets in touch with Marcel and they're talking about it.
Marcel is not as instantly as open as he will be about the whole thing.
He's giving him little pieces of it.
But one thing that Stanton Friedman can't get out of him is when it happened.
Like, what's the date on this?
You know, Marcel is evasive about it originally, doesn't give him the date.
And so somehow, through another researcher, our friend Stanton Friedman learns that Dewey Green, in fact, had heard about this and in a UFO magazine in 1956, described the entire story about driving.
Cross country.
And I've read his account.
Very, very interesting.
Now, somehow Stan gets a hold of it.
And we get the date of the Roswell crash directly from Huey Green.
So Huey Green is the one who puts the date of the Roswell crash.
And he puts it right into that July 4th window in 1947.
It's this character, this talk show, game show actor from the UK, who gives us the date, and that's how we get it.
And then Friedman goes back and he goes directly to Marcel.
He's trying to get all the answers out of Marcel, but then he's like, you know what?
I'm going to check the newspaper to see if they had newspapers that reported this on the date that Huey Green gave me.
And then he goes forward and he finds the newspapers, and so on we go.
Microfiche.
Now, that's how the date comes about.
Well, let's find out a few other odd things about our friend Huey Green, shall we?
Because he's such a pivotal figure here.
Because if he hadn't been driving across, well, it would have been harder to substantiate the story for Stan.
God forbid.
I mean, I know he was a dogged researcher, but would he have even abandoned the story if he didn't get the date and find the newspaper?
It's a good question.
So we can see Huey was very pivotal.
Now, So he got mainstream popularity as a household name in the 1950s.
And then he got a quiz show, Double Your Money.
And so he was one of these characters along.
And what's interesting is, as I mentioned, he has this producer and he's married to a socialite in Montreal named Claire Wilson.
And they have a kind of a very high end life.
And he has a tendency to disappear on his own.
Which is one of those things that his family and his kids, you know, just like.
All right.
Didn't he have Christmas on his show?
Right.
He would go.
Yeah.
He would go off on Christmas just by himself.
High-End Socialite Life00:03:24
So, what happens basically is he has a big falling out with that producer and his show goes off the air.
Now, everyone always wondered what happened with him and this producer.
So, as it turned out, the reason that they had such a falling out is that the producer's wife had slept with Green.
And in fact, the kids that the producer's wife had weren't from the producer, they were from Green.
One of those kids was Polly Yates, TV presenter, and of course, famous through her association with Bob Geldof.
All of these things.
She'd die under unusual circumstances in the year 2000.
And You know, there's a book there called Huey and Paula, which gives the dynamics between them and all the rest of it.
But he, it's very interesting that it didn't come out until after he died, all of this.
Now, that's his very unusual background.
But what they figured out, because Paula Yates actually had the DNA test done and he was the dad, that he was in fact the grandfather of all of her kids.
Now, I have the.
Well, there's that picture.
What do you think of that one?
That's a perfect picture of Paula.
Now, this is Paula Yates here, and I'm going to read some of Paula's background.
And we're going to get into some of the kind of weird entertainment aspect of this, which is really off the charts.
But I'm going to save some of it for the next episode, too.
But I'll say this in brief.
So she was born in Wales, of course.
She started as a music journalist.
And.
Right, she had a show called The Big Bed or something like that?
Yes.
Or The Big Breakfast.
Right.
After the birth of her two daughters, Yates wrote two books on motherhood.
She continued with her rock journalism in addition to being a presenter, cutting edge music show, The Tube.
And she met Bob Geldof in the early days of the Boomtown Rats.
Of course, Geldof knew the Boomtown Rats, but he ran all that live aid stuff and became the, you know, feed Africa through music guy.
And a lot of.
He became a major concert promoter, organizer, and kind of a central guy in rock music.
So they had a romantic relationship.
She flew to Paris to surprise him while the band was playing there.
Their first daughter, Fifi, was born in 83.
After 10 years together, Yates and Geldof married on August 31st, 1986, in Las Vegas.
Simon LeBond of Duran Duran was the best man.
So she meets the NXS singer and basically, yeah, Michael Hutchins.
And she reportedly.
The road manager of NXS asked her to leave Michael Hutchins alone.
Geldof's Mystical Romance00:03:23
So he obviously sensed something going on.
And then.
Can I chime in here for a second?
Yeah, sure.
So he was, her whole shtick was she would interview people on a bed.
Like that was her.
So there's that episode is up there.
You can watch it.
Yes.
And the sexual chemistry between them was incredible, very palpable.
And the flirting was off the charts.
So it's up there for everybody to see.
Well, it's very strange.
You know, just in terms of numerology and dates, there's all kinds of weirdness throughout it all.
It's on November 22nd, 1997, that Hutchins found it.
And, you know, this is an incredible shock and all the rest.
But as a result of them getting together, of course, he has a daughter by Hutchins named Tiger Lily.
And then, unfortunately, through a series of kind of tragic things, she dies of an overdose.
And she's only 41 years old.
And, you know, there's the whole thing about her kids, and then Gildaf, who'd already gotten custody of the daughters, gets custody of her child with Hutchins and all the rest.
And this is how this goes.
It's very interesting to me, aside from the tragic aspect around this as we're looking at it, that there's a strange mystical thing and also a UFO thing around the Gildafs.
Including the fact that Pixie Geldof has this whole thing about, I saw a UFO in Rome.
And then she went into this whole thing about creating this, you know, communication with UFOs and was seen in all these articles talking about this.
I thought it was interesting because her sister, who died, teaches Geldof, she also died of a drug overdose, which is another tragedy in that whole thing.
And getting to the bottom of this isn't about exploiting any of their tragedy, it's to really understand, you know, some of the pressures of that environment.
But then the crisscross around the more mystical aspects with this and the kind of UFO side is fascinating.
Peaches Geldof has signed up to Aleister Crowley's sex cult OTO.
The celebrity tweeted a picture.
This is from Daily Mail.
And the celebrity tweeted a picture of one of the cult's books, has inked the initials on her body too.
And she did, in fact, have an OTO tattoo, but she talked about UFOs.
And she's involved with Crowley and all the rest before her death, very untimely death at the age of 25.
And again, those are very, very tough family tragedies.
Part of it, they say, is that she never got over her own mother's death.
But again, for me, and just looking at the sweep of UFO pieces, along with her dad being involved with the Roswell dating, and then we take it into these types of arenas, it's very, very strange indeed.
The more we go in.
And in the next episode, I'm going to go deeper on that entertainment aspect.
But I want you to keep it in mind as part of this.
That is actually a picture of Yates getting married to Geldof.
And I love that picture.
Bowie and Alien Spaceships00:05:51
The person there, sitting there, of course, is David Bowie.
Taking up a lot of space.
And Bowie, of course, with his own very interesting, Bowie ran a UFO newsletter for four years in the 1960s.
He was in his teens while trying to make it big.
And of course, so many of the themes along Bowie's work.
All have to do with space from Ziggy Stardust to Major Tom and beyond, uh, and his own kind of interesting obsession with the fact that when he goes to make the man who fell to earth, where do they make most of it?
They make it in Ross, oddly enough.
Let's go even deeper on the entertainment side before we move to your question.
Are you going to mention Dennis Davis?
Yes, yeah, that's where I'm going next.
All right, um, so.
We've got a very interesting drummer, probably one of the best drummers in history, Dennis Davis, who, if you listen to all the great Bowie albums like Scary Monsters, Young America, Station to Station and stuff, he's there.
And it's really an incredible lineup people like Carlos Alomar and others.
And even though, you know, there's different producers on the different albums, but they all come out fantastic.
And that is, in fact, Dennis Davis, who was known to be this incredible kind of upbeat guy, and Bowie loved having him on tour and everything else.
Well, interestingly enough, when he passed away, Tony Visconti, who was one of the producers, and he really did the Berlin period albums with Bowie and Scary Monsters, just remarkable stuff.
But when he's talking about it, it's very interesting because he says, Dennis Davis has passed away.
He was one of the most creative drummers I've ever worked with.
He came into David Bowie's life when we recorded some extra tracks for Young Americans and stayed with us through Scary Monsters and beyond.
He was a disciplined jazz drummer who tore into rock with a jazz sensibility.
Listen to the drum breaks on Blackout from the Heroes album.
We had a conga drum as part of the setup, and as he made it sound like two musicians were playing drums.
By Scary Monsters, he was playing parts that were unthinkable, but they fit in so perfectly.
His sense of humor was wonderful.
As an ex member of the US Air Force, he would tell us stories of seeing a crashed UFO firsthand by accidentally walking through an unauthorized hangar.
There will never be another drummer, human being, and friend like Dennis, a magical man.
Now, Dennis was a fantastic drummer, as he said, but let me tell you this.
When you go into his history and you see where he was in the army and stationed, he was stationed in, he may have been stationed in other places, by the way.
The one that I found was in Texas.
And I just found it interesting in terms of the wreckage, as we know, which originally went from the Roswell crash to.
Fort Worth, and then supposedly went on to Wright Field in Ohio.
The fact that he had seen a UFO comes up in about three or four different accounts.
And it came up, this is very interesting because that's at the end of his life.
Here's an interview 20 years earlier where Visconti is talking and he's giving all these kind of answers in kind of a Yahoo chat, you know, very early on.
And So, they're asking him questions here, and they say, How do you choose your music projects and all the rest?
Have you ever worked with John Lennon?
And the answer is no.
But then he has a very interesting conversation here where he mentions back here that Dennis Davis had told them about seeing an alien spacecraft.
So, what happens is the questioner says, Do you believe in aliens and do you believe they visited the Earth?
As you say on your website, have you ever had an alien talk with Bowie?
Bowie, of course, was still with us then in 2000.
Visconti, no, but we were entertained by stories that Dennis Davis would tell us when we were making low.
When he was in the Air Force, he accidentally walked through a restricted hangar and saw a crashed up alien spacecraft.
He was ordered to leave immediately and not to say a word about it.
Now, it's absolutely fascinating when you get into this because you're going to find that a number of people.
You know, whether you're Colonel Corso or Dennis Davis, have seen these crashed UFOs or have seen bodies or whatever.
And by a kind of extension there of humanity, we all have.
I've pointed this out before.
So it's kind of a shared experience at this point that we're talking about.
So the idea of debunking it or saying that it doesn't exist is absurd.
However, the nature of what it is that we're talking about, whether you're talking about something from another galaxy or something that's here or something that lives side by side with us.
In a separate dimensional reality, these become the crucial things then around this.
But the Bowie thing on that and the Geldof connection with Huey Green and all the rest, and the fact that he was, you know, Yates' grandfather I mean, whoa, or Yates' father and their grandfather think about it.
So you can see the Roswell thing has all these different earthquakes, and we're going to be bringing more and more of these earthquakes, no bigger earthquake than the fact that Boone, Detective Boone, was the same one.
Oswald Lookalike Cover-Up00:06:19
Who found the Oswald Rifle and also ran the foster properties for them, along with their incredible child placement business as well?
And that in those orphanages, there were stories that we got from this whistleblower, Dorothy, about alien abduction.
So there's something very major here in the crisscross of all of it.
And we're going to get more and more into it.
But before I go any further, Ms. Olivia, I'm turning it over to you.
Okay, let's start with Dave Termina.
I found it curious that Eugene Boone's past is not just obscure, but his father was non existent.
His father in law, however, was also from Pennsylvania, was listed as an employee of.
Lockheed Martin.
Yes.
Well, Boone is very, very mysterious.
Boone is an advertising executive at 22.
And one of his principal clients is Jack Ruby, and they party together at 22.
And it is, in fact, for Ruby that this whole thing that goes on with Sheriff Decker and all the things that happen.
Around the Kennedy assassination, that he gets placed in the police force.
And there's a few figures like Roscoe White who get placed in the police force just before the assassination.
So the fact that when the assassination happens, Boone is only 24 and had been an ad executive and apparently successful at 22, how does that leapfrog into, you know, unless for opportunistic reasons, or somebody is manipulating him into that position of history where he's going to find the rifle and where he's going to go work?
For Foster.
So somebody is controlling the movements there in the background.
And the fact that he's there, you know, with Ruby in this kind of twilight of the whole thing, and he was in the public eye very much.
As a matter of fact, and they will do this with certain figures.
It's not like when there's a group in the background moving you into position, they're going to keep everything hidden.
They might make you very, very public.
Think of Oswald.
They're putting him on in New Orleans in the summer before the assassination, and they're saying, You know, they're setting him up in these TV spots where he has to go defend the fact that, you know, he's a Marxist who wants free trade with Cuba and Castro and all that.
That whole thing, the minute they have the assassination, they can flash those pictures across everyone's TV screens and say, aha, he's a communist, even though, you know, anyone who understands the case knows that he worked for Guy Bannister.
And Bannister was the ultimate right winger who had started what?
The UFO file for the FBI.
So those are the real connections, in my opinion.
But you can see on the surface, they can really put you in these positions.
And in the 1980s, you've got Boone on TV defending the lone gunman story, being part of the trial of Lee Harvey Oswald, which was a monk trial that was paid for by British television, where they had witnesses like Ruth Payne and all the rest of it.
And it's interesting to me because they got the guy who had done this whole bamboozle thing during the Manson trial.
To try it and convict Oswald as the lone assassin for TV.
I thought that was interesting.
Bugliosi, and Bugliosi was a complete psychopath.
It's interesting.
And he wrote this ridiculous, completely debunked book about the lone assassin.
And he's right up there with Gerald Posner on that front.
But yeah, he's also, Bugliosi is a guy in Manson and Helter Skelter.
He builds that whole myth of the thing instead of going into the deeper connections that somebody like Manson.
Had and how Manson had basically been, you know, a product of this programming deep, deep in the system.
And there's some good information about that now.
There's some really good books that have come out about it.
But this was a guy who was able to be part of the cover story.
And by the time he gets into prosecuting Oswald in this mock trial in the 80s, where this British jury says, yeah, Oswald was guilty.
He was a lone assassin.
One of those witnesses that they call forward is Boone.
And Boone has to hang out there with the man like Arcano and be like, yeah, this is the rifle I found.
Even though in his own affidavit, he says, I found a Mauser.
So something made him change.
And this gets deep because this is a guy who's walking through history in the biggest presidential assassination moment in all of history.
And also right into the control of the Foster properties and the Foster business, children's business, which is the biggest UFO case of all time.
You know, they were the ones who owned the Foster ranch.
So, you know, you have to see that kind of.
Pattern there and investigate it for what it is.
That's where we're going with this.
And that's why it's Roswell reignited because the whole thing is like, whoa, wait a minute.
And of course, in the first episode of this, we went into the whole story of Robert Vinson, who was a sergeant who had got on this plane that was a C 54 and he saw the Oswald double get on it.
This was the day that President Kennedy was assassinated.
This plane that he got on before Oswald got on it.
Was redirected from where it was headed when he worked at NORAD, redirected back to Trinity River outside Dallas.
And this Oswald lookalike got on.
And then they landed very unceremoniously, didn't say anything to him, ran off the plane.
And he's like, Where am I?
And he gets off and he walks over to this MP in an office with a light around dusk.
And he's like, What's going on here?
Where am I?
He said, Don't you know you're in Roswell Airfield?
So a direct crossover with the Roswell incident and the Kennedy assassination.
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In both of these figures.
And you can see how deep this is going to go as we get along here.
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David Chimina, do you, DJ, do you suspect the bodies found at the Roswell crash were related to the Atlantean story about automatons?
Ultra Heat Seeker says, if consciousness can be uploaded to these biological drones, what are the real aliens?
Oldest Dirt says, I'm old enough to remember early documentaries of Roswell.
There was an old undertaker that said the military men told him to get or slash prepare child sized coffins.
Yes.
And Debbie C says, Where do you think the alien interview fits in with this?
The book the nurse wrote about interviewing the living alien from the Roswell crash.
Yeah, I don't think any of the.
Interview with the alien stuff, you know, certainly there was communication that was attempted if they had one that was alive.
But I don't think any of that has really come out.
So I would say anything along that line, we don't have.
But the Undertaker, of course, in that story said that the base had called him and asked him and said, We need these child coffins.
And do you have something that can be hermetically sealed?
And then he said, How can we keep the bodies?
But they said that they were children's coffins and that they needed them for children.
And, you know, whenever you hear accounts of these aliens, of course, this would happen in succession for years and years.
But the Roswell aliens were said to be about four feet tall with large heads and almond shaped eyes.
They're the original kind of crash grays with the overalls, the coveralls, and everything else.
The only other thing I would say that comes up is, you know, there seems to be, in relation to a number of these stories, When it comes to the men in black, that whole piece about the fact that people would identify them as Asian.
And when I took John Keel's work and hardcore went into it, one of the things that he put across was that whole thing about the Sami.
And that when he showed, he wanted to find out exactly what the men in black looked like.
And he would show them pictures of all these different types, you know, Anglos.
You know, Russians and Spanish people and everything else.
And when they got to the Sami, they would go ping, that's it.
And it's very interesting.
He said, Oh, yeah, it wasn't that it was, you know, 20% or 30% or 50%.
It was unanimous.
They all went to the Sami.
So the people who were being used for their incredible psychic ability were the Sami by the United States government.
And that goes into the whole astral agency thing.
But it does come up around the Roswell case as well.
There's a men in black aspect there that's not talked about so much.
It's mostly, you know, threatening MPs and, you know, that kind of military aspect.
But there are other cases around it where you see this men in black influence very early on.
And it's interesting because so many of these cases, from the Kenneth Arnold story to the Maury Island story to the Roswell incident, they happen in the span of about three weeks.
So, whatever it is that's taking place is going on in rapid succession.
And that's why it doesn't add up to me that this is any kind of normal phenomenon or just a country with, you know, a craft that's better than that.
This is something beyond what we're ordinarily accustomed to.
And I go back to the Cosmos Club because, you know, the Cosmos Club and the strange setup around the Cosmos Club, if you've seen the episodes that we've done on it, I think it's quite possible that the founder of the Cosmos Club may have run across either a group that were,
you know, operating side by side with humanity, who were very innovative, shall we say, scientifically, or he may have come across artifacts and archaeological pieces around this because he goes from, you know, zero to hero pretty quickly.
And the fact that he gets really, you know, into the halls of DC and You know, all of these scientific groups contributing to him and that he's able to map the Grand Canyon and everything else from being a pretty obscure Civil War soldier who was stationed there in Cape Girardeau, of course, which would become famous 80 years later from the first major UFO crash in 41.
We've got something going on there.
And I think when you get around stories like Charles Hall and the Tall Whites thing, you know, somebody might say, well, he doesn't have any evidence for it or.
Whatever it happens to be.
I'll tell you, it's interesting.
Even if it was an attempt to see how people would operate side by side with something that they presumed was alien, there seems to be something in that story that lends itself to what we're discussing.
And in that case, the tall whites, you know, they were hanging out there at Nellis Air Force Base side by side.
And, you know, for some reason, when this story came up, I was thinking about how, in the work that I've done, I've thought about where would you have this kind of UFO Bilderberg?
And it was the Cosmos Club that became in the center of my research around that.
But it's very interesting, damn interesting, that all whites, you know, being part of maybe a culture that was here for a long time, that could be something that the founders of the Cosmos Club ran across.
So you could be looking at a technological nexus that goes back there.
And that could be who we're dealing with at Roswell as well.
So, you know, off worlders, deep, deep inner earth types, whatever it happens to be, you're dealing with something.
And somebody mentioned automatons and the Atlantis part.
Look, Casey is very, very explicit about how advanced scientifically we were in the Atlantean period.
And he goes directly to what?
Not just to flight, where we're flying around, you know, in these great altitudes, which he certainly talks about.
He talks about us flying through things in that period.
So, you know, that's transmutation that's going through matter.
So there's a number of things to consider when we get around the subject.
Yes.
Okay.
So let's talk about the different crash sites.
Champ EZ says three crash sites debris field at the ranch, ship crashed at Corona, St. Augustine escape pods?
Ryan Perella says, DJ, do you have an idea of how many miles outside Corona is from the ranch site?
Within five to 10 miles or less?
Corona is a pit stop town today.
And Rebecca Romilay says, what about all of the land bought by Ted Turnish's organization?
Oh, yeah.
Well, there are weird things in relation to purchases, like the ranch, as we mentioned.
The Prince of Liechtenstein.
He was involved in trying to purchase it, but instead he got them all together because he couldn't get his hands on the ranch.
He got all of the living witnesses together in 1990, and that's where all that video testimony comes from the Prince.
So, you know, this is someone who knew a great deal.
Well, we get into really interesting territory when you talk about the crash sites.
But I will say this, which is what it sounds like is Foster Ranch is the main site where the major part of the ship, you know, the large aspect of the ship goes.
And then it looks like the shuttlecraft goes on.
Ultimately, a lot of these Roswell researchers talk about three sites, but it seems to me that it's the first site, the Foster Ranch, and then the second site.
According to Stanton Friedman, it was a couple of miles northwest, so not far.
And that also comports with the idea that the kid that was with Mac Brazzle said that they went and they came up to a ridge and then they saw the craft.
So they were in his general area there.
Right, because they walked there, right?
Is that deep?
Yes.
And it's interesting, too, because some of these witnesses wouldn't talk.
So that also gets us, you know, some of them have held on to so much of this information.
But what we do hear is, you know, it seems like that second site was close by, and that that's how somebody like Marcel was able to see the bodies in relation to all this because he saw the first site.
And then when he got to the second site, boom, he saw the bodies arrested.
Those things were reported to him.
Now, there are viable reports from about 160 miles away.
That's the plains of San Augustine.
And it's interesting to me because there are stories and reports there.
So it could be three, but it seems like the first two are bona fide and the third one is open.
One of the things we need to keep in mind about Marcel himself is that he said, the debris that I saw was not of this world.
Thinking about him saying that, you know.
We know that his family would say, Oh, yeah, he talked about bodies with us.
They went on the record about that.
So Marcel told them at the end of his life that this was about seeing actual alien bodies.
He did not, as part of his service, see that part as necessary, but he did see the part about saying it wasn't a weather balloon as part of having to challenge his security oath.
And what he says is, I sat on it for 32 years.
And You know, as an intelligence officer, there are still things I won't say because I'm standing, you know, and defending my country.
So, whatever it is that he's getting at, it seems to be what they presumed when they saw the bodies was they're alien, you know, and that's the thrust of the problem with the Roswell case they have a problem on the government side.
And what they tried to do really was whitewash the whole thing so everyone would forget it and anyone that would remember would be threatened.
Out of it.
And ultimately, you know, people were bought off, frightened, threatened, or, you know, ex protect over.
So, but I do think it's interesting in the case of Ramey, he thought so highly of Marcel and he had him fly the debris directly to him.
They had worked together after all in nuclear tests in 1946 when there were only a few nuclear weapons, but they were kind of at the top of the secrecy chain and they regarded Marcel as at the very top of that.
And, you know, The whole nonsense about play along with the weather balloon and all the rest was literally just for show.
Now, I have audio from the Brigadier General that I'm going to play.
And it's just a little tiny clip, but I think it'll put things in perspective.
What do you say?
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So, Thomas DeBose, here's a little more background on him.
Retired from the U.S. Air Force in 59 with the rank of Brigadier General, served as Chief of Staff to Brigadier General Roger Ramey.
Commander, Eighth Air Force at Fort Worth, the rank of Colonel, was ordered by General Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command, to have the debris flown to Roswell, from Roswell to Fort Worth, then on to the Pentagon.
McMullen said he would send the material by personal courier to Benjamin Chidlaw.
Commanding General of the Air Materiel Command, Wright Field, later Wright Patterson.
DeBose says the weather balloon explanation was a cover story and the entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy.
Now, here's just his little clip at the end of his life.
And of course, I read his affidavit already, but I think the little, you know, the tone of voice gives us a hint there.
I'm just going to play this.
Let's see if everyone can.
You are not to discuss this, and this is a point of which this is more than top secret, as he said.
Beyond that, it's within my priority as deputy to George Kenney, and he in turn responsible.
But this is the highest priority you could, and you will say nothing.
And Jesus Benson, the commander-in-chief, and he just forgot about it.
So that's pretty explicit.
What he says, in case you didn't hear it, is that McMullen said, You're going to go along with this cover story.
You're never going to talk about this.
It is not only top secret, it's above, it's beyond that.
Okay.
It's the highest secret that we have.
So that means all the nuclear talk, all the rest of it, this, what they found at Roswell was the top.
And he said, I answer directly to George Kenney, who is at the pleasure of the president, meaning you are, you know, dealing with presidential decree here.
You can't.
Say anything about it.
You have to go along with the secrecy story.
And he also, in his testimony, says, you know, it definitely was not anything of this earth.
He feels that way.
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Marcel feels that way.
So, you know, that's pretty compelling testimony from the top branches of government and guys who at the end of their life wanted to be honest about this.
And I think we need to look at Roswell differently.
It's been played through the system, you know, they've played it hard.
And squeezed so much out of it.
But in truth, the facts are that Marcel was the agent on the spot, and it was the rancher who came to him through the sheriff.
And it's very interesting to note that the sheriff was intimidated.
The sheriff had part of the medal because Brazil had left one of the boxes of the debris with him.
And he had done all the weird tests with it and floated it in midair and all the rest of it.
And then.
You know, according to his daughter's account, these MPs came and threatened him, pushed him around, bullied him, and freaked him out.
So much so that his entire life goes down the drain after this incident.
And he was a very popular sheriff.
He was well known.
His wife was very popular.
And he was popular with the Hispanic community there.
Very interesting because they make him, as part of the cover up, which he didn't want to do, go and basically lay the threat out there to the Hispanic community.
Because he was such a trusted figure that you can't say anything about this no matter what.
And then they hold him over like they hold Brazil over at the base.
They want to see him after the whole thing.
And his wife was very clear that she thought that they shot him full of something.
He was never the same again.
So he was freaked out, one, but two, they did something else to him.
And then when he came back, he was never quite right.
And in fact, a little while after that, he goes into a mental institution and his life really unravels.
And he dies in that pivotal year, 1963.
So again, the Roswell incident, not very good for some people, including Sheriff Wilcox there.
And according to his daughters, he knew very well it was not a weather balloon.
And he lived in this state of kind of paranoid panic where he was always checking windows and looking who was behind him and seeing who was coming in and all the rest of it.
It's very odd because there's a whole fascinating story about his wife, and she was a little brassier, I guess.
Because she didn't get the talking to that he did.
And she was like, you know, he's like, I'm not going to run for sheriff.
I'm out, you know, I'm done.
Like, this has been too much for me.
And she goes, I'll run.
And she runs for sheriff and she almost wins.
But what's weird is the daughters, when they give their testimony later, they said, you know, she tried to write an article about this in the 50s and somehow it didn't get out.
And she said, you know, I remember very distinctly that around 1979, 1980, when the story circulated, that my mother tried to get it.
Published through Reader's Digest, and they said, No, no, no, it's not for us.
We're not going to touch this.
So, but in that article, she said, My husband came with this story, and it was about a crashed flying saucer and all the rest.
So, this is what we have there, which is a number of these people were just shut down and they were right in the heart of the whole thing.
And on the military side, all you had to do with your brigadier general and all the rest of it is invoke the president, and that's that.
So that's how Roswell got covered up.
One of the interesting figures in all of it that I found, I was listening to his wife speak out, and she only came and spoke out fairly recently.
The guy's name was Saunders.
And one of the interesting things that he had to say, that she had to say about him, is his work, his project for them was to go and change the records of who was actually on duty and all that stuff.
So when people went back and looked at it, It would look like a scrambled egg mess and you wouldn't go anywhere near it.
Well, in fact, when it came out in 1995, when they were doing the Roswell case closed, the government says it was Project Mogul and all that, they were like, oh, all the records don't support the story or they've been destroyed or whatever it happens to be.
So this is how the cover ups happen.
And of course, they did that in the Kennedy case.
They do it in every high profile case where they want to keep the secrecy wall intact.
And this is the nature of the problem that we're up against.
Yes.
Stefan Vanderlaan, how did.
Colonel Philip Corso survived and even write a book about it?
Well, Corso had the protection of General Trudeau, and Trudeau really put him in the right place at the right time.
It's also interesting to note that Corso, according to his own testimony, briefed the Kennedys, Bobby and Jack, and that on the UFO issue during the whole presidency on a monthly basis.
That's a regular basis.
So they trusted him for that kind of interaction.
If he didn't do it directly with John, he would do it with Bobby.
So, if you look at his history and the different places that he was in and all the rest of it, you know, Corso checks out so, so well that I've always had problems with the whole thing about what people said about him, you know, oh, you know, what he said was too outlandish or whatever.
The book is a different story because he had a co author who may have, you know, spread the truth a little too far.
That's Bill Burns.
But I think it's pretty understood.
And what's weird is when he died, he was being sued by a number of government entities or people who were associated with the government who said, hey, what you said is a lie, and all the rest of it.
Because he was really, I mean, what he said was so much more powerful in a sense than what we were getting in the dribs and drabs from the Bob Lazar type stuff.
And again, I think the Lazar stuff, there are things to read into it, like the fact that he said that.
You know, oh well, some of this UFO stuff they had found through archaeology.
I think there are little threads in Lazar's stuff, but it was Stanton Friedman who pointed out just how disingenuous Lazar was about his own background and how sketchy and shady a background that he had, you know, running a brothel and lying about his education and all the rest.
So, you know, he was used in that sense.
But I think it's interesting that it all comes up.
Just as the Roswell people are really bringing maybe an impeccable case that could not be denied, so that by the time you get to the mid 90s, you've got the Air Force saying, No, they were Project Mogul balloons.
And by the way, we had crash test dummies.
That's why people saw aliens.
Once they went to that, if you really look at that, you can see, Oh, they're trying to cover up aliens.
That's why there's no question in my mind that people saw alien bodies.
There's too many, you know.
But what those bodies are, it doesn't mean space alien necessarily.
It could be an off world visitor.
It could be something here.
But certainly it's outside.
It's something other for sure.
All right, more questions this week.
Richard Fress, how much do you think President Trump knows about the Roswell ordeal?
Was his uncle involved with the whole subject of UFOs and any possible Tesla connections?
Well, it's interesting because his son, Don Trump Jr., did a great job asking him that question.
And it's funny because Uh, what Trump has a weird gleam in his eye when he talks about Roswell, and he says a lot of very interesting things happened at Roswell, and people would really like to get those answers.
Um, I think Trump knew a lot about the UFO file going in because of John Trump.
So, John Trump, what we put on the record that wasn't there on the record, you know, is that John Trump was the protege of Vannevar Bush, somehow that has escaped people.
And Vannevar Bush, if you read Star Barker's account, who was the top physicist in the period.
Of the early 1950s, and then got wiped out of history because he talked about the UFO file.
Sarbacher said Vannevar Bush ran the UFO file, and then passed that honor along to these different MIT presidents like Carl Compton.
But that's how it ran.
So if you have the top UFO guy in the country, Vannevar Bush, and his protege is John Trump, you could presume that John Trump knows a great deal about the UFO file.
The fact that he's put in this position of reviewing Tesla's work by Bush, by the way, means, you know, he understands a great deal about that world.
He also, John Trump is more important than we understand, also.
They still try to portray him as, oh, you know, he was this great professor and a meek guy and all the rest of it.
He rolls into Paris, the liberation of Paris with Eisenhower.
That's how important John Trump is.
So, John Trump, his history, we still don't have the whole picture on that and how much it plays into Trump's own kind of power play in all of it.
What I would say about Trump and the UFO file is he's made a series of moves from the Space Force and through various different things to pull that UFO file back under executive control, which is what President Kennedy did.
And President Kennedy's efforts are even more blatant.
Through telling NASA you can't have two space programs, what is this other Blue Gemini thing?
And what I wanted to mention earlier is that in the Wall Street Journal article, Yankee Blue comes out as the UFO program that they haze people in these intelligence, counterintelligence circles with.
Look, we put Blue, the program, on the record in 2023.
You know, it's just on the record.
And then a year later, the government comes out and says, oh, yeah, we had Blue.
You know, through Kona Blue, it was a crash retrieval program, but we never did anything with it.
So we put it out there a year before the government responded to it.
And that's when, you know, we had all the counterintelligence people coming to us and being like, hey, you know, gee, you really do great work.
How'd you find out about that blue thing?
And, you know, there's a deep story with it.
What's interesting is blue is the umbrella, Yankee Blue, this is another piece that they're bringing forward there.
And they're saying, you know, that's a program that they use and they show them fake UFO videos in order to haze them into being a counterintelligence officer.
The genuine program in the UFO file in the United States government is BLUE.
B L U E.
Okay.
We put it on the record.
We've told you about it.
They've let out a little bit of it.
And we need to get our heads wrapped around that because when I did the JFK Blue documentary, none of that stuff was out there.
And He was dealing with it.
That's where Blue Gemini comes from.
So, if you want the root, the heart of the UFO file, the designation is blue.
Start there.
Yes.
David Tramina, General Craigie is the Tesla connection with Roswell, not to leave out Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell from Roswell and worked for Reagan hunting down death ray technology.
Well, there's that weird thing that we put on the record about Bruce De Palma.
This is interesting because.
You know, brother of Brian De Palma, the famous director.
But Bruce De Palma is very deep in that Melchizedek backyard with Brother Sunburst and all that, working with him for seven years.
That's a long time, you know.
But what we find from De Palma is that when he came up with this end machine, which was a free energy device, that the person who's discouraging him and saying that he's going to be assassinated if he puts it out there.
Is Edgar Mitchell.
And also, Edgar Mitchell offering him a pretty small sum to take control of the device and all the rest of it.
The fact that he becomes a liaison from the CIA to threaten De Palma is interesting because, you know, we have that guy who I've pointed out before who runs around and says, you know, to the astronauts who went to the moon, all I want you to do is swear on the Bible you went to the moon.
And, you know, I've talked about the different aspects on this.
But that guy, you know, there's a whole thing about him going undercover, hanging out with Edgar Mitchell and his son.
And then once he gets into their living room or whatever, you know, he says, Well, you know, what you swear on the Bible that you went to the moon.
And they figure out, Oh my God, it's this guy, you know.
And he says, How would you like the CIA to interrogate you?
And, you know, Edgar Mitchell starts threatening him with the CIA.
So that lends a little more weight to what De Palma was saying.
Somehow Mitchell and the CIA are simpatico.
That's not good.
Especially since he's a big consciousness guy and everything else.
So there's, yeah, that's kind of problematic.
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Robert Ayala, could the sighting that Kenneth Arnold had a few days before the Roswell crash, being a Horton Brothers prototype using an exotic propulsion system, be the real cover up?
Oh, I think that whole thing about Horton is interesting, but I think in the final analysis for what Kenneth Arnold was saying about its speed, its maneuverability, the chain of it, and all the rest of it, it doesn't add up.
I've read different reports of people trying to compare the two, and the Horton wing was actually wood.
So the fact that this stuff was reflective metal that Arnold saw doesn't sound like you're talking about the same thing.
But I think it's an incredible innovation of what was going on in the period.
So that needs to be, you know, we need to be thinking about that.
And I think that even Corso himself mentions that, you know, they had thought, it's very interesting because he goes deep on it.
And what he says is, you know, what we figured to ourselves was not that the Nazis had the technology, but that they had had a jump on redeveloping the ET stuff before we did.
So instead of just attributing it, you know, to Nazi technology, he was like, oh, it's, you know, Nazis redeveloped it and then we got our hands on it.
So, you know, there is this whole thing, and then how much of it and how much of what we have accomplished is through redeveloping and, you know, working with that UFO file material.
There's something deep involved with it.
And what I've put on the record in relation to this is about apotheosis and the effect over and over again, the reality distortion physics that are involved, you know, the RDP.
All right.
If you want NHIs, change, forget about NHI.
That's something that the CIA came up with.
IRDP.
Reality distortion physics.
All of those UFO cases involve some kind of reality distortion.
Missing time is the very heart of the whole thing.
So, this is the thing that has maintained that rule of secrecy on the top.
Yes.
That's interesting.
Ultra Heat Seeker says, I need to understand why they would hide free or very cheap energy, control, greed, ignorance.
Tim Houston responds, maybe because the technology can be weaponized.
A lot, a lot of reasons.
A lot, a lot of reasons.
Look, just like you have those Kennedy death lists, if you get around the free energy, so called free energy, breakthrough energy developers, there's a long, long list of guys who have these suspicious deaths.
And so much of that is a result of their work because it upsets business interests.
It upsets their version of society, you know?
And if they run across something that looks.
You know, overstimulating to the economy that they've set up, you know, that break their stranglehold on the whole thing, their monopoly, then you find yourself in a totally, this is the reason, the very heart of why they're trying to roll out some of that X tech now is, you know, they, and they wanted to do it with the UFO threat story.
But they're in that position because they see the incredible profit potential on their side as well.
So if they can control that moment, When we adopt something else, then they're home free.
Although they've been working on it in the background for 80 years at least with our money, with our trust, and all the rest of it.
And now they just come out and privatized it.
Hey, you know, we've got space, even though you paid for it through NASA and everything else.
We just didn't let you in on it.
This is the nature and why the concept of the secret space program is so important in the grand scheme of things is to understand what happened between the last time we went to the moon in 1972 and the period that we're in.
Where we still haven't gone back with a manned mission since then, supposedly going back with Artemis in supposed to be last year.
Now, maybe it's this year.
But no question that if you lay off for 53 years, there's a reason.
And my guess is they've been ongoing in the background.
It just hasn't been part of the public.
So I'm going to have you tie it all together.
I understand putting it into words is a little difficult, but it's consolidation.
Yes.
It is sucking up all the resources.
Oh, yeah.
The top, it is a one world government and a technocracy, and that they have gone.
They're at a point now where they can literally afford to implode every the Western nations' economies and then roll out a whole other system.
Can you talk about this?
Well, there's no question.
Their idea of a reset is total consolidation.
And there's different avenues, different ways to get there.
Some of them are riskier than others.
The COVID scheme was risky.
And yet they got a lot of traction.
And yet at a certain point, it was non tenable.
It was an untenable situation.
Too many people had wised up.
But they got incredible results as a result of it, also.
But I've always said that if you felt that the COVID op was something, just wait till the UFO threat op kicks in in earnest.
Because the whole thing about a sky event, you know, a threat and all the rest of it, continuity of government calls into play all of the underground aspects.
They become active, that underground government becomes active, and the surface government gets subverted by the NORTHCOM commander, who's also the NORAD command.
So that's a system that's in place.
Now, you could say, well, that hasn't happened yet.
And you'd be right.
And yet, COG was called right after 9 11, and we still live under.
The 9 11 emergency rules, which basically circumvent the Constitution.
And every year, as part of the National Defense Authorization Act, what happens?
The president, whether he's Trump or Biden or Bush or Obama, signs on the dotted line.
So, we're on emergency powers, is that aspect.
And we have to get real with what they're going to do with it.
And the UFO file is right in the heart of that.
So, that brings it together.
The consolidation that they're trying to do.
Through the transhumanism, through the biometric control, through the smart cities and all the rest of it.
This is the technology that they have to roll out.
The question is, you know, how obvious can they be with it?
And when we take a look at it, you know, and we start to see their clone armies and stuff patrolling the streets, what are we going to do?
So they need the timing on their side.
And, you know, right now, there should be a huge question about the ethics.
Of the exploitation of the technology we have, especially with the fact that we know they've been working with AI for 40 or 50 years.
So they're way ahead on this curve of what's going to happen with it.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
It's Roswell Reignited.
We're going to take your last couple of questions here.
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Keep that six feet of distance because if you talk to somebody, you might say, hey, wait a minute, is this a scam?
I wanted to read, as we're kind of cruising into the end of this episode, Marcel's account of coming across the actual debris at the Brazil Ranch, just briefly, and then we'll take your last couple of questions.
Unbendable Debris Material00:04:06
How does that grab you?
Sounds good.
All right.
Here we go.
Marcel.
And I want to say this about Marcel.
I think he was an incredibly brave guy.
And I think he kept his oath, but he also knew humanity couldn't be served by, you know, he felt incredibly betrayed by his government by having to support a lie for most of his life.
And, you know, he set himself right on the path there.
Here's what he had to say When we arrived at the crash site, it was amazing to see the vast amount of area it covered.
It was nothing that hit the ground or exploded on the ground, something.
That must have exploded above ground.
Traveling perhaps at a very high rate of speed, we don't know, but it's scattered over an area of about three quarters of a mile long, I would say, and very wide, several hundred feet wide.
So we proceeded to pick up all the fragments we could find and load up our Jeep aerial.
That was quite obvious to me from my familiarity with air activities that was not a weather balloon, nor was it an airplane, nor a missile.
What was it?
We didn't know.
We just picked up the fragments.
It was something I had never, ever seen before.
I was familiar with all air activities.
By the way, he'd been a pilot and a great pilot since 1928.
We loaded up the carryall, but I wasn't satisfied.
I told Cavett, who was with me, who was a very kind of sketchy character, by the way, for the military, you drive this vehicle back to the base and I'll go back out there and pick up as much as I can and put it in the car.
Which I did, but we picked up only a very small portion of the material that was there, actually.
One thing that impressed me about the debris that we were referring to is the fact that a lot of it looked like parchment.
A lot of it had a lot of little members, I beams with symbols that we had to call hieroglyphics.
I could not interpret them, they could not be read.
They were just symbols, something that meant something, and they were all not the same.
They were not all the same.
The members that this was painted on, by the way, these symbols were pink and purple, lavender, actually.
And these little members could not be broken, could not be burned.
I even tried to burn that.
It wouldn't burn.
The same with the parchment we had.
But something that is more astounding is that the piece of metal that we brought back was so thin, just like the tinfoil and a pack of cigarettes.
I didn't pay too much attention to that at first until one of the GIs came to me and said, You know, the metal that was in there, I tried to bend the stuff and it won't bend.
I even tried a sledgehammer, I can't make a dent in it.
I didn't go back to look at it myself again because we were busy in the office and I had quite a bit of work to do.
I'm quite sure that this young fellow would not have lied to me about that because he was very truthful, very honest guy.
So at first, I accepted his word for that.
I didn't actually see him hit the matter with a sledgehammer, but he said, It's definite that it cannot be bent.
It's so light that it doesn't weigh anything.
And that was true.
All the material that was brought up was so light that it weighed practically nothing.
This particular piece of metal, I would say, was about two feet long and perhaps a foot wide.
See, that stuff weighs nothing.
It's so thin.
It isn't any thicker than the tinfoil in a pack of cigarettes.
So I tried to bend the stuff, but it wouldn't bend.
We even tried making a dent in it with a 16 pound sledgehammer.
And there was still no dent in it.
I didn't have the time to go out there and find out more about it because I had so much other work.
Ancient Scientific Supremacy00:05:51
It's still a mystery to me as to what the whole thing was.
Like I said before, I knew quite a bit about the material used in all of our air programs, but it was nothing I had ever seen before.
As of now, I still don't know.
It was incredible testimony.
And, you know, he would try to bend it, burn it, and dent it, whatever he could do.
So there's something remarkable in that description right there that I think we can all relate to.
And with that, Miss Olivia, your last question.
Okay.
This is the question Ultra Heat Seeker, why are all the elites obsessed with eugenics?
It seems partially to do with UFO interfacing and bloodlines.
Oh, I think there's an incredible, incredible eugenics experiment involved with the whole UFO file phenomenon.
Make no mistake about it.
It's rich there in the literature from John Mack to Linda Moulton Howe.
And on every different level, there seems to be this program that's involved.
And by the way, this comes up in an episode that we have coming up relating directly to this Roswell reignited piece.
And that has to do.
With some of the abductions that took place in the foster centers.
So, you know, obviously there's a program there.
And the eugenics program is to make a supreme human on one hand.
There could be something else about dominating humanity through their own DNA.
There could be something very ancient involved with this, of course.
So it's at the very heart of what we're talking about with the advanced technology.
Yeah.
I mean, it can also.
Have to do with rebellion against God and wanting to be gods.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
Excellent point.
No question about it.
But it's at the very heart of the whole thing.
And what I think when people talk about hybrids and seeing hybrid children and this whole thing and how they're not perfected, how they have very thin hair or whatever it would happen to be, there's a hardcore program involved with this.
So, whether you want to attribute that to some kind of an alien interference or, you know, advanced human groups or elite human groups working around the scientific end, look, we've had people in our own regular identifiable historic stream who were deep into eugenics.
The guy who set up Caltech, who we did the Sun King episode on, which is still one of my favorite episodes, you know, these people have it and they might.
On one level, even think that they're doing God's work doing this.
But there's something else involved, which is a scientific supremacy in the experiments that involved.
And that goes into a kind of Mengele type thing, you know?
Well, it has to do with choice.
Yeah.
Yes.
Force.
Yes.
And that's, it's a simple thing, but it's everything.
True.
And, you know, it's interesting since someone mentioned the automatons earlier, and that's a major aspect we brought out about the Casey.
Work when he talks about the automatons and what the Atlanteans did, it's their interference and what he would call pollution that they're doing.
And the pollution is in creating a cyborg entity that incorporates maybe human aspects, animal aspects, and technological mineral aspects.
So it's a violation of the nature of spiritual development.
And so what you're doing there is.
You know, you're playing God.
And that's what the Atlanteans did.
And so, you know, the idea that we're coming back and facing ourselves again in this kind of Atlantean face off with the technology again leads us to that same moment.
Once again, which is are you playing God?
You know, are you being gods, as it were, or are you developing spiritually?
So this is the thing over and over again.
And what we find, just like with so many of the groups around the secret societies, Around that aspect of the mystery school, what they're doing is they're trying to find a way to go up that tree of life with avoiding the spiritual mastery.
And supposedly, they've figured out that there's a formula to do that.
And that's where so much of what we're seeing now, including the whole piece around the worship of the androgynous and this whole thing, the androgynous aspect, not to say that someone who would choose multiple lifestyles would have.
Any kind of corruption to it.
I'm talking about as a program for humanity as opposed to individual choices for things.
But what I'm trying to get at is on their level, the very top of that system gets around the kind of spiritual answer.
And you subvert the tree of life, in fact, when you go from developing through that animal aspect to the spiritual aspect by just focusing on the mineral.
And that has to do, you know, that'll bring us into a conversation around Kabbalah and the Tree of Life.
But there's a very, very deep occult purpose, shall we say, towards that kind of eugenics and tampering, which gets to, you know, the very heart of creation and humanity and Armand and all the rest.
Thank You and Future Plans00:06:28
So you can tell it's a deep question, and I appreciate it.
In the ideas room, this is what we wait for.
And with that, Miss Olivia.
We are up for tonight.
All right.
What do you got?
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We appreciate your support, and to all our subscribers, As supporters, we couldn't do it without you.
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It makes a huge difference for us to be able to bring you these reports and have that backup.
It's interesting in the Kecksburg case, of course, we've got hieroglyphs as well.
So Jesse has direct support for his hieroglyphs in that case, which happens some 18 years later in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania.
Of course, it's again a situation where a UFO crashes, people see it, some people see fragments, some people see hieroglyphs.
The army comes in and takes it away and then does a big cover story.
And again, when we get to our friend, Jesse Marcel Sr., that's his drawing of the hieroglyph.
So, a lot of great information and great people in the heart of this.
And I can only tell you that the next episode of Roswell reignited, and reignites a good word because they're very explosive.
And I want you to be ready for that in addition to what we're bringing forward.
For you here.
When you see the connections as a whole, it's going to change the entire way we look at that history around the UFO file, around the JFK assassination, the Roswell incident, and then what we're actually sitting on top of here in the middle of 2025.
It's going deep indeed.
And maybe there's a reason why they canceled those UFO hearings after all.
I'll do a couple of shout outs for you here.
Let's see what we got.
Tim Houston.
Thanks, DJ and Olivia.
Tim has been there for a couple hours before the show started.
What time is it in Australia, Tim?
That's the question.
Thank you.
Great show.
Always appreciate genuine information.
Thank you, Leo Persia.
Sights and Sounds.
Najat.
Great to see you out there.
Thank you for joining us.
Wow.
Donna Marie Farrell.
Excellent.
Thomas Ball.
Corey Anderson.
Empire of Light.
Lance Lotlake, that's a great one.
Hit the like button and share.
Indeed.
Well, I don't say it enough, and neither do you.
Let's see.
The acorn, indeed.
That's the Kecksberg acorn.
And, you know, it's unnerving how close that is in general, just in a general way, to Moon, and also how close Moon was to where they attempted the assassination.
Something very, very interesting and powerful in that part of Pennsylvania historically.
Jessica Rodriguez, we appreciate all your hard work and dedication to bringing us the truth.
Thank you, Jessica, for being out there.
Much obliged.
Love, love, love, love y'all, says Heather.
Thank you, Heather.
We love you too.
Let's see.
Project Redfoot.
Aha.
Synergy Conscious.
Thank you, Olivia.
Ideas from DJ.
Such a great night.
Thank you.
Great to have you with us.
And there's more coming here as we get up to the anniversary, too.
So watch out.
Reignited, reignitors, we all are here of the Roswell incident.
And it's a deep incident.
You can feel anything, you know, I suppose if someone is on that energy work trail, they can feel this thing coming off of Roswell.
It's something very powerful that happened there.
It's 123 in Melbourne, Australia.
Wow.
Okay, that gives us some idea.
Fantastic.
Knifey.
Burn folks.
Excellent.
Thank you, DJ, Miss Olivia.
You're both legends.
Thank you.
Cool show.
Great intel.
Wow.
Turning my lead into gold.
Green bird.
Excellent.
What else we got?
Bye bye loves.
Indeed.
Hello, space boy.
Bye bye love.
Let's see.
Always be a lover of truth.
Indeed.
Able bodied.
Absolutely.
Could not agree more.
Corey Anderson, great show tonight.
Thank you, Daniel and Olivia.
Amazing.
Thank you, sir, for joining us.
We appreciate it all.
Wow.
Great ideas from out there tonight.
I know Kate's out there.
It's great to see you.
And let's see.
Antoinette George.
Excellent.
Tina Boric.
There you are.
Thank you, Tina.
Wow.
Fantastic.
I know I had another Bowie picture with Dennis Davis out there, but it'll have to wait till next time.
Everyone's so great to see so many of you out there and the ideas from tonight.
We'll be back with you next week, gearing up with that whole July 4th weekend.
And of course, the anniversary, 78th anniversary of Roswell.
And this is going to be stunning information coming forward.
I mentioned we have Walter Bosley coming up.
Walter was in the chat tonight.
Very exciting work that he's been working on.
We're going to get to the bottom of that.
And Gigi Young also coming up in July.
Whew, fantastic.
Watch out.
July is going to be incredible.
It's going to be hotter than July.
And we'll be going deep, deep with you.
So before we go, of course, it says end broadcast, but you know, it never really ends.