Daniel Liszt exposes the alleged CIA takeover of the UFO narrative via Tom DeLong's To The Stars Academy, debunking the 2017 ATIP story as a fraudulent setup relying on fired Pentagon spokesperson Dana White and questionable stock offerings. He argues TTSA manipulates fear to secure military funding, potentially engineering a "Bluebeam" false flag invasion or lunar militarization while suppressing truth for decades. Ultimately, the host urges researchers to reject these deceptive entities and demand honest disclosure rather than accepting government-controlled threat narratives designed to control public perception. [Automatically generated summary]
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Cracks in the UFO Cover-Up00:15:13
And we are live.
This is Dark Journalist.
It's fantastic to be here with everyone.
Of course, I'm joined by the lovely Olivia.
Hi, everybody.
It's great to see you.
I guess we're getting a kind of a post Halloween buzz in the air.
Yes, the energy is very different today.
That's really true, actually.
And I think there are a lot of costume parties and things that people are coming down from.
We are coming down from the show that we did last night with Gigi Young on Exorcism CERN.
And Aramon, which really was a terrific response on that from everyone.
So, thank you very much for all your kind comments.
And I do feel like there's more to come in relation to this kind of spiritual cosmology aspect of everything associated with the X series.
This is X series 72.
And I have to tell you, it's a very timely episode.
We're going deep on the UFO file takeover by the Central Intelligence Agency.
Via its proxy, the To the Stars Academy, which is a corporation, a public benefit corporation, that is headed up by Tom DeLong, and he's the ex Blink 182 singer, and Luis Elizondo, who is a counterintelligence CIA agent for over two decades of experience.
And as we all know, in December of 2017, December 16th, as it were, Both Politico, which is going to come very much into focus tonight, since they seem to be having conniption fits on Twitter, and the New York Times came forward with a story, a very strange story about a UFO secret project called ATIP.
Now, over the course of almost two years here, almost every element of that story has come apart.
And tonight we're going to go into the reasons why it was splayed out there.
For our consumption by major media outlets, and why the real standard bearers of it, that is, the New York Times and Politico, are particularly in the spotlight for their motivations and the shoddy work that they did in putting this story out.
I also want to point out that, you know, when you do this work, I'm just going to be honest that if you want to do something straight up journalistically, you're going to encounter resistance.
And there are going to be people who will be willing to say things about you, and you're going to encounter people who will try to say things behind the scenes or be nice to you behind the scenes in order to get you to say things differently.
I've seen all of these aspects when covering the TTSA story, and their latest broadside is going to interest everyone, including the fact that behind the scenes, they're saying that when I, you know, well, there are channels, let's say, that are saying when I do these reports that it won't be very good for me to do them.
Now, to put this in perspective, this is a corporation that is hooked up with a TV company, History Channel, and putting together this show called Unidentified, which I think is one of the worst UFO shows in history.
The Pits.
I mean, it's just terrible.
And that's not even being mean because we've seen them put out good shows on the History Channel, not much.
But we know that a good UFO show can be made.
And in the case of Unidentified, I mean, this was just.
You know, Louis Elizondo selfie time walking around pretending he's disgruntled and needs the truth.
And, you know, we know the story behind Elizondo.
We'll get further into that tonight.
But this combination of Elizondo and DeLong putting together this operation is one thing.
You know, if you're doing a corporation and you're trying to come out with an entertainment vogue of some sort, that's one aspect.
But the presence of senior CIA personnel on the board, on the operation, the day to day operations of this company is very disturbing.
And they've caused all kinds of, you know, we've really seen real splits in the UFO community over this company.
It's very simple.
And the people that they're trying to marginalize, namely myself and people like John Greenwald, The black bald, who's done outstanding work, you know, and people know him for over two decades of great work, and even mainstream media news sources use him.
They've been trying to run this whole thing with him, too.
Like, oh, he doesn't get it, you know, he's not on board, all the rest of it.
Playing like it's some kind of weird kid's game.
Look, journalism's journalism.
And the facts in this case is that the CIA runs this company.
How do I know that?
Well, the operational personnel of the company have over 100 years of CIA experience.
Let's start there.
And that isn't somebody just saying, hey, that's a CIA company.
They list the experience with pride because they want this to be the CIA coming out party because this is some kind of public attempt to take over the UFO file.
And I'm going to show how it evolved, where it came from, who the players were, how it really largely evolved as the partnership between a political campaign and black budget officials.
So the combination of those two factors.
We still see rolling out, and they're still trying to keep that bottled up.
In fact, so many things are happening with the To the Stars Academy that it is coming apart at the seams for a variety of reasons.
And that is really just their own doing by not being truthful in the first place.
And that's what we're going to get into.
There's a lot of outright dishonesty and public deception going on with this company.
And it's not just us that are saying it, there are many, many outlets getting on this.
Now, we may have been there first.
You know, we did shows as early as January 1st, 2018.
We did a show with Gigi Young for New Year's, and we laid it all out in two hours there.
And now all those chickens are coming home to roost.
So, but some things happened recently which showed real cracks, real fissures in the way that this company has gone about trying to co opt the UFO file via entertainment with the CIA behind it pulling the strings.
So, the only thing that's important for me is to bring the transparency.
To the situation.
And if a company like this has $50 million to spend to develop this stuff, if they have a major television network behind them and they have CIA people and Lockheed Martin people behind them promoting it, then it seems a pretty ominous thing.
However, one man armed with the truth constitutes a majority.
And in this case, I'm going to lay it out for you.
It is factually based, there's no denying it.
And as a matter of fact, what I've been appalled at.
Is people who call themselves journalists in the mainstream, from political, from New York Times, trying to lay into people on the side of independent journalism or like John Greenwald, who've pointed out again and again the inconsistencies, errors, and outright falsehoods that this company has told publicly.
And so all we want is a clear accounting.
I even invited Tom DeLong and Luis Elizondo onto this program publicly.
And we did the hashtag DJ.
They're not going to go near you.
Hey, listen, they're welcome.
They may as well because this isn't going away.
We did the hashtag DJTTSA debate.
It's fine.
Two against one.
Your odds are fantastic.
I want to hear everything that you have to say, but you're going to have to answer real questions.
This won't be a George Knapp softball interview.
And I'm sorry that George Knapp has done really outstanding work in the past.
He's gone all softball with you guys and said things like, Was it hard for you to tell the truth about UFOs?
When in fact, he hasn't addressed even if Elizondo is still contracting for the Central Intelligence Agency.
Why doesn't anyone even ask him that question?
It'd be question number one for me.
But I'm all about the transparency on this.
If they If they want to come forward and say, well, we didn't say this and we lied about that because, then we have a reason, a way to understand what they're doing.
And then they have to fire all their CIA officials and move forward as a company.
But as it stands, there's a lot of public lying and there's a real big cover up push.
And we've seen CIA cover up pushes and they're not very pretty because they try to smear that this is what they're brilliant at, of course.
That's why you see it over and over again in political circles.
They try to smear their opponents.
And I'm going to show you how they're doing that tonight.
It's not pretty.
And it shouldn't be allowed in the independent media.
It shouldn't be allowed to stand.
And we're going to ask those people who have been good on the alternative side dealing with the UFO subject, like Knapp, like Dolan, to not embrace the STARS Academy and to really pledge not to.
And I'll show how that works and why I would even ask people to do that because I think when it comes to companies like this coming in and sweeping over a topic, And really employing large scale counterintelligence people.
Elizondo, his main claim to fame is that he's counterintelligence.
Well, fundamentally, when you go into counterintelligence, what does that mean?
You're a good liar.
You have to be the best.
So, Elizondo, his fundamental credential that we know is that he's good at lying.
I mean, yes, there's a time and a place for that.
But, you know, the idea of going to the CIA for truth about the UFO file is like going to the KKK for a togetherness rally.
It just doesn't make any sense.
So, we have to be real about that.
And I've sensed a lot, a huge sense of unreality because they've gone behind the scenes trying to, I don't want to use the word bribe, but they want to influence people with the idea that if they work with them, you know, they'll be hooked up.
And so let's get away from the idea that they're paying people off.
That's not what it is.
I think it's more they're saying, we have these shows, we'll have these conferences, we're going to do this, you'll be in on that.
And they're influencing them to jump on board.
And that, I think, is a very perilous thing in terms of actual research.
And, you know, it's not something that is going to go by easily on the Dark Journalist Show.
I was thinking about the episode of Star Trek, a piece of the action.
A piece of the action.
Right.
And, you know, you'll be cut out all the way out.
You know what I mean?
So that's it.
You can be cut in or you can be cut out.
It is.
It is.
And I'll tell you, there's a lot of people who originally were like, hey, this is great.
There's this UFO corporation and I do UFO stuff and went to them and completely got rebutted because they were like, hey, we don't need you.
We're going straight to the mainstream media.
Somehow, in the past six months, the TTSA has figured out that they actually do need figures for legitimacy in the UFO field.
And the only one that they've actually had in the bag was George Knapp.
And, you know, Knapp is very interesting because I have a great deal of respect for George Knapp, as he knows, and we've spoken before.
However, it's plain as day that he, when legitimate things were raised in relation to this company, that he actively tried to debunk those things, even from people.
Who were, you know, he had deep respect for, like John Greenwald, for example.
And, you know, I won't speak to the status of their friendship, but obviously these things get in the way when someone like Greenwald is a researcher.
He has the facts at hand.
He has a large scale vault of information.
He's been following ATIP and the TTSA since the word go.
You're not going to rebut this guy.
He's got the facts.
And, you know, so to try to dance around it and say, well, maybe he did say ASWAP, but that was the actual name of the program.
And, you know, for Elizondo to say, like, oh, maybe I shouldn't have let that out because I'm super secret agent, man.
No, no.
I mean, it's either on the record and real or you're faking it, you know, and that's what we're going to get to tonight.
One of the things that really kind of booted, kicked this off tonight, which I think is important, is that DeLong put out this tweet and I responded to it.
I'll show it here so you can take a look at that and I'm going to read it to you.
This is a public tweet, so I'm not betraying any confidences or anything.
And everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show episode X72.
And I'm going to try to give you the best and most up to date information on this and let you decide really what's going on.
Okay.
Tom DeLong, who is the CEO of the To the Stars Academy, after all, founder along with Luis Elizondo, he says it's good to point out that the To the Stars Academy at TTSA Academy is not all in caps, N O T, not.
A UFO research group, in quotes, UFO research group, unquote.
We are an advanced aerospace science and entertainment consortium run by a former program director of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works.
You know them, right?
They're the guys who won't give us any records for anything when we ask.
Multiple high ranking defense and intelligence officials, i.e., the Central Intelligence Agency.
I'm adding that part.
And Department of Defense.
Physicists.
Okay, so instantly there was a lot of reaction there like, what?
What do you mean you're not a UFO research group?
You actually solicited money, stock money, raised money on that, and got everyone on board.
Your whole show, Unidentified, is about UFOs.
So, what kind of a quote is this?
Why did it happen?
October 26, 11 04 a.m.
I'm going to read it again slowly.
Tom DeLong, CEO of To the Stars Academy.
It's good to point out that at TTSA Academy, To the STARS Academy is not in CAPS a UFO research group or an advanced aerospace science and entertainment consortium run by a former program director of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works, multiple high ranking defense and intelligence officials, and DOD physicists.
Fine.
So my response was Tom, what you've just said above means you've been misleading the public on this important issue.
This important issue of UFOs and mischaracterizing what your company represents.
Misleading the Public on UFOs00:06:55
It's clear as day that's what they've been doing.
Your unidentified TV show is also supposedly about UFOs.
So why the charade?
Set the record straight.
Okay, and then the hashtag DJTTSA debate, a friendly gentleman's debate, just getting the facts on the table.
And I invited them on this program for anyone who thinks I don't give them a fair shake.
But I think that they would rather jump in an active volcano than be questioned by me.
Okay.
Now, this was odd.
But a lot of people who even are big TTSA supporters think of Assad.
But there were other strange things that were developing, and it made me think about some stories that had come out earlier.
This one was on the congressional record from March 15.
I'm going to read it.
And it involved what certain people in Congress were raising in relation to companies like TTSA and how that's not well structured stock-wise, and that a lot of bad things could happen as a result of that.
And you'll see what I mean.
So now on March 15, 2018, Ohio Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, while submitting an amendment to the Regulation A Improvement Act of 2017, used To the Stars Academy as an example of why reform was needed around the way these particular stock funds are set up.
Congressional Record, Volume 164, Number 46.
I'm going to provide a link to this at the end of the program.
With regard to updating the bad actor disqualification regulation, Bloomberg recently published an article on Regulation A, and the companies using the offering, and found one executive of a company was convicted for filing false tax returns, another for obstructing justice, and another was accused of selling unregistered stock.
For the sake of time, these are just a few examples.
Are these really the types of individuals we want selling securities to Main Street mom and pop investors?
Really good point.
Another article appearing in Barron's, which is owned by Dow Jones and puts out the Wall Street Journal, studied the hundreds of companies that have used Regulation A to raise funds.
And I quote them We were supposed to get new jobs and new industries.
Instead, we've gotten GoFundMe style websites hawking penny stocks and professional wrestlers shilling shares on TV.
It's starting to sound a little bit familiar in terms of what we hear from GTSA.
They went on to highlight some of the companies and the products available themselves of the lightly regulated Regulation A Plus offering, including companies trying to make cannabis paraphernalia, flying cars, guns, and the founder of a rock band seeking to raise money to study UFOs in light speed travel.
Now, I'm not trying to persuade members that all companies seeking to raise money through the Regulation A Plus are Wolf of Wall Street or UFO chasers.
Because in my home district, a Scottish based company successfully used the regulation to open a brewery.
But they go on and on.
And so in the congressional record, we have them citing the To the Stars Academy directly.
Now, a little bit later, we have something else.
They say this is why we need to ensure that we maintain the integrity of the regulation A offering and that we prevent bad actors from using it.
In a way to rip off and scam all of our constituents.
Wow.
So there are incredibly loose loopholes associated with this A plus offering, which the TTSA has.
Now, when we looked previously at their founding of the company and then their updates, we found that at the end of last year, they were $37 million in debt, for starters.
And it looked like by the time they got to April, it was $50 million in debt.
Plus, they were doing unusual things like writing off stuff like Tom DeLong's tours as part of the entertainment consortium.
So, we're getting into dicey territory, and people in the UFO community do not want to assist this type of stock activity if it's raising flags.
And so, it needs to be brought to our attention.
So, when we have people who are like, oh, Lou or Tom or whatever, we already have had enough BS in relation to the UFO field and what they've pulled even so far in the two years that they've been out.
But if it gets into stock fraud, if it gets into stock fraud, then we're in a whole different territory.
And let's see if some of these echoes aren't why we are starting to see unusual activity around TTSA, i.e., rats jumping the sinking ship.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show, and I've been following the TTSA since the word go back in November of 2017.
There were a lot of interesting things that happened right there in 2017 in that period, including the Trump semi release of some of the CIA documents.
And the appearance of Q happened in that window, and the TTSA came out and made this strange offering.
Now, I want to talk about what they did.
This is right off the bat, and this is not Photoshopped, whatever.
It's easy to be sourced, and everyone who's following the case knows it.
Chris Mellon, who is from the Mellon banking family, an incredibly wealthy family with really deep pockets, billions of dollars, and he's somebody who had worked in defense intelligence for W. Bush and for Bill Clinton, deep, deep in the system.
Now, when they came out, and everyone will remember it to the stars presentation, they came out and they have this screen behind them.
Let's take a look here.
Now, that picture back there was interesting to a lot of people because they said, What is that?
I haven't seen that UFO before.
Let's take a real good look.
So it turns out the image was also used by George Knapp in a piece on Las Vegas Now showing this unusual.
That's the bottom one there.
So now it's past tense for people who know this.
It turns out that this picture, in fact, was a Mylar balloon.
The Nimitz UFO photo is actually a party balloon taken in Manchester, UK in 2005 by Steve Mira.
The image was used in connection with the Nimitz incident in this 2015 article.
Fake Footage and Stock Offers00:03:49
So they were just using this thing all over the place in place of actual UFO footage.
And that's Mellon who used it in his presentation.
So they started off the bat using balloons that looked like UFOs.
Which was very, very dicey, and it kind of gave us an idea that they were more interested in putting across the idea of the thing rather than the actual real deal.
Because if you had a good picture of a UFO, you wouldn't use a balloon picture.
All right, let's start there.
But this is a very unusual way to greet the situation.
The next thing they did is they took some people, well, they took DeLong out, and they were like, you know, he has to do damage control, and they put him on Joe Rogan, and he floundered around talking about how.
All these things had been shared with him because he was, I guess, just because he was himself.
And there was no real good explanation for why they were sharing these things with him.
All right, so that was a disaster.
And then they got nervous and they introduced their next spokesman, Harry Reid, who was the retired Nevada Senate Majority Leader.
Now, Reid was best known in his career for blocking over a dozen times, and I mean a dozen times.
The audit of the Federal Reserve.
So, this is not a person who's interested in transparency by any means.
And then also, in general, to run Las Vegas, you know, there's a lot of compromise that happens just by the nature of the business, shall we say.
So, Reed is, again, this idea of going to people like the CIA or Reed for UFO disclosure doesn't ring right.
This is somebody who kept Area 51 and its secrecy intact for over two decades.
Why is he suddenly going to come forward and give us anything?
But he came forward, and he, of course, was a key man in setting up.
The ATIP program, which we're going to discuss in a second here.
Now, Reed would become someone who would kind of talk many ways about this story, but he became the only person who was really available to vouch for Elizondo and saying that, hey, he did work in this ATIP program, and ATIP was about UFOs.
A lot of that story, the way it was presented, fell apart.
Now, there was a program that also, this also was a controversial aspect.
Where Harry Reid in 2009, with Senator Daniel Inouye and Senator Ted Stevens from Alaska, both of whom are dead now, put together a program to investigate something, ATIP.
They put $22 million into it.
And the money was funneled to a company of a friend of Reid's, Bob Bigelow, as you know, Bigelow Aerospace.
And we've gone through some of that deal.
It doesn't look like there were any other.
Offers put out there for other people to do it.
This was definitely an inside job working on the part of Reed, giving his friend Bigelow a good shot at this.
And there might be 10 different ways you could spin that, but fundamentally, we've seen it in Washington a billion times.
So they put out a request offering and then they really just make sure it gets to this one guy.
And in this case, he got it.
Of course, Bigelow had so much money he didn't even need it.
But we'll see Bigelow and Reed come into this over and over again.
Again, Senate Majority Leader, Reid.
That's a very powerful position, and he's a Democrat.
Keep that in mind also because this entire TTSA thing is tied in to a campaign, a presidential campaign, which would be Hillary Clinton's campaign, and we're going to show that as well.
Open Propaganda Tactics Revealed00:04:05
One of the things I do want to point out is that of late, now, we've seen these unusual perturbations going on.
One of them is this very unusual move by DeLong saying we're not a UFO company.
That's one.
Two, that the TTSA signed up with some army company about studying materials.
And then, of course, the army is under this kind of umbrella of secrecy with it.
So nothing can come forward out of that publicly.
So it seems kind of almost like, oh, you created this public disclosure UFO corporation just to hook up with a military unit that will hide anything that you actually find.
So it's very inconsistent activity.
But this is all happening now in this past month.
So it's lending to this atmosphere.
Something strange is going on.
With TTSA.
And since they won't talk about it, we definitely are going to.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
This is episode X72.
And we're going deep into the CIA coup of the UFO file.
This is a takeover, make no mistake.
And the CIA is known to do these things, just not so blatantly.
They usually do them more behind the scenes.
But we're going to look at some of the tactics and the people that they've been using openly.
And again, I'm not accusing anyone of being a CIA agent, they're all saying that they are.
That's what most of their board is made of.
So let's keep that in mind.
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Okay.
Miss Olivia, how are we doing out there?
Doing great.
So, can I ask you a question?
Yes.
D.E. Saccone wanted to know Isn't DeLong basically admitting he's a propagandist and government shill?
Well, yes.
I mean, he wouldn't put it that way.
He would say, I'm doing entertainment.
But, you know, it's funny.
When I look at this, I also see them saying, Our next move is to go into doing children's books and also to go into doing, like, you know, dreams and paranormal.
So, it's like a weird CIA takeover.
Everything where people get thinking outside the box and starting to find things out for themselves.
And the fact that they selected DeLong, I've always said this in relation to this case, whether or not he knew it, but there is something in CIA programs which is called a Bobo.
And the Bobo is how they kind of get a sense and they can data mine the public's reaction to something.
You know, it's like putting your finger out to the wind and seeing which way the wind is blowing.
And the Bobo character.
Himself, he has to be somebody who believes the part all the way through, but who you can kind of discard at the end.
And that's what I believe that they've done here, which is they've introduced him to a lot of things that he thinks he's onto.
But nonetheless, at this point, I think even for him, that a lot of the public deception around the company doesn't reflect well.
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And I really, most of the deception I've seen publicly is coming from Luis Elizondo, who is a counterintelligence agent.
And I think with Mr. Elizondo, we're looking at somebody who's very skilled at dancing between the lines.
We've had some experts, and Walter Bosley actually did some very interesting analysis on this tap dancing thing where Elizondo would come on shows and say, Well, that's secret, not secret.
That's classified.
Well, it wasn't classified.
And this is it.
I can dance on any line because nobody can pin me down.
And these are a lot of softball interviews.
The mainstream media interviews have been incredibly softball, which tells me that the Council on Foreign Relations is totally 100% behind these guys because that's where a lot of the talking points come from.
Now, some cracks started to appear this year, however, in relation to good work being done by people like John Greenwald at the Black Vault.
We've done a series, I think, almost about 10 reports on the TTSC.
Is it really that many?
Yeah, if you think about it from the beginning.
Or this would be somewhere in there.
It's like the ninth or tenth show we've had to do on it.
And it would be nice to do a show and present it and be like, hey, everyone figured it out.
But it doesn't work that way.
It sort of keeps going.
You know, the cult of Palooza continues.
But let's take a look at some of these headlines where other people were catching on.
This one, this is kind of the classic one, which is Did TTSA's main UFO guy ever actually work for the ATIP program?
And ATIP is that Advanced Threat Identification Program that he said he led, he headed up, and over and over again in all their literature, TTSA has said he led the program.
And this is part of the problem with it.
What was the nature of the program, what it was there to study, and who headed it up.
Now, the entire TTSA story about ATIP, the entire push from Politico, which was reflected by the New York Times, all of it, and I mean all of it, all the stuff relating to Elizondo leading the UFO program at ATIP, rested on one person's testimony, one.
One official's testimony.
Let's meet that person.
This is another one, by the way, The Intercept.
The media loves this UFO expert who says he worked for an obscure Pentagon program.
Did he?
This person who writes the article concludes no, he didn't.
And we're going to really get into that.
Now, let's meet the one person who the entire story hung on, like the magic bullet, basically.
And the person's name is Dana White.
She was Pentagon spokesperson.
She's no longer in that position.
And there's a reason for that.
She was fired.
The reason she was fired is because she was under a probe, and the probe concluded that she had acted improperly and unethically in relation to running her position there.
So here's the big article there on Dana White and why the Pentagon axed her.
It's a very interesting story looking at her antics.
Very disturbing in there was part of what she was investigated for was receiving gifts from her own personnel, that is, the people who were working for her.
So that's what they were investigating is this woman receiving gifts from her aides as a way to kind of influence, have fun, and influence people.
So there's a complete report, actually.
I have the complete report, and that might be one of those that I still have out there, Miss Olivia.
But that is a fascinating one because I'm going to get deep into those details.
But let's meet a little bit of Dana White and why they hung so much of this on her.
And then we're going to meet Brian Bender, who is the writer of the original TTSA article for Politico that appeared on December 16, 2016, citing Dana White.
Now, here's what's fascinating about that Brian Bender came out on a bender of weird tweets.
In the past couple of days, against me and against John Greenwald.
And actually, he had blocked John Greenwald from Black Vault, who'd done excellent research on this, and he just reappeared in order to kind of jive at him and then blocked him again.
But in the midst of all that, I guess I got in the way there, and he came up with some very unusual, and I mean very unusual, tweets in response to this, which triggered a whole lot of other things that I'm going to tell you about.
So let's sort of read.
What in that original article is said?
This is directly from the article that appeared.
And I quote Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White confirmed to Politico that the program existed and was run by Elizondo.
That, that little line, is how the entire story of Elizondo running the UFO file comes about.
Because whenever we've had people like, you know, Harry Reid, for example, recently came out to talk to George Knapp, and this is very interesting because Knapp. didn't ask him the question, did Luis Elizondo run the ATIP program?
What Knapp asked him was, was he involved with that stuff?
It's not a very journalistic question when you think about it.
And I'm going to read from it so you don't think that's just me.
And I'll be fair about it.
I also think it's weird that they're kind of pulling Reed out, who's actually going through some health issues right now and really seems like he'd be the last person.
But they need something, they need that.
And they cite You know, they're really going on the attack against people who are investigating this, and that's not a good sign either.
It shows that they're trying to hide something, basically.
It sounds like a cover up.
And as somebody who has been critical of TTSA, I can tell you that they're starting to publicly criticize the work that I'm doing.
Now, there's a reason for that, too, and I'm going to get into that.
I am going to need the other one.
Tan White.
Let's start with the recent Harry Reid.
This is pretty good.
Yes.
Okay.
So, no.
What happened was Knapp interviewed him for the I team.
Former Senator Reed, encouraged by newfound interest in UFOs.
This is kind of the update.
Originally, of course, Reed got all these softball questions from Knapp, as did Elizondo and DeLong.
And they were just kind of driving around and, you know, talking, and everything was just kind of easy peasy.
But there's some very interesting things in this article, and I highly recommend reading it.
It's on the KLAS TV website.
So, I'm going to read.
A few crucial parts of it in the excerpts from the interview.
Quote Former Nevada Senator Harry Reid says he's enthusiastic about reaction to a once secret study of UFOs that Reid and congressional colleagues authorized more than a decade ago.
The last two years have seen an explosion of interest in UFOs among mainstream media, largely driven by this weird A tip story, which two years in reflection doesn't look so good.
Of course, there have been really good UFO stories to cover that they have no interest in at all.
Because they need the sanctioned people to be put out there to present this, like Elizondo and DeLong.
When Bill and Hillary Clinton came to Las Vegas in May to speak to a large audience on the Las Vegas Strip, their first stop was the Henderson home of former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
It's the same path followed by many Democratic politicians and presidential candidates who visit Nevada, seeking guidance from the retired but still crafty senator.
Yeah, he's crafty.
It's totally crafty.
I like the way they put that one up front.
Reid and the Clintons share an interest in a controversial subject, UFOs.
How about that?
The Clintons are interested in UFOs.
That's interesting.
I suppose many of us remember that during 2016, there was a series of UAP comments by Clinton, and this is another hint as to where this entire operation came from.
Now, Reid and the Clintons share an interest in a controversial subject, UFOs.
As a presidential candidate in 2016, Hillary Clinton vowed to open up the Pentagon's UFO files.
And when Bill Clinton was still president, Reid asked him about UFOs during one White House visit.
Now, this is Knapp in his interview, directly the transcript of the interview.
Knapp, you discussed it with Bill Clinton.
Don't know if we can talk about this.
Harry Reid, yeah, yeah.
Bill is one thing about President Clinton.
No one has ever said he wasn't smart.
He was and is an extremely intelligent man, and this is something he was interested in.
Reid was cagey about whether the Clintons discussed UFOs during their recent visit, but told us the subject is definitely on the agenda for their next get together.
Okay, so Reid and the Clintons are going to talk UFOs.
By the way, why are the Clintons even touring around right now?
Are they getting ready to make another run at the White House and do the real UFO op the way they wanted to do it?
And Clinton was supposed to get in in 2016, but Trump got in instead, and he's got the Space Force, and they've got this other weird Podesta Elizondo DeLong op going.
Okay.
So, there's a lot of problems there.
The op didn't work quite as it should have.
So, Reid had similar conversations with other national figures during his years in the Senate, including Ted Stevens and Daniel Inouye, who lent their support to the creation of a secret Pentagon study of UFOs, as well as Senator and former astronaut John Glenn.
John Glenn was the astronaut who was from Ohio and Senator from Ohio.
Now, did he ever give you specifics about why?
Harry Reid, nope, nope, but he, I didn't want to push him, but he was very, very interested.
The UFO study that Reid initiated was largely carried out by a nevada contractor, Bigelow Aerospace.
Hey, you didn't mention that he was really good friends, that Reid and Bigelow were good friends.
It's kind of a lapse.
Maybe also Knapp should have mentioned that he and Bigelow are very good friends and that Bigelow has used him as a consultant before on projects.
So, you know, we need real clarity in journalistic terms.
If I was writing an article about somebody, the first thing you learn in journalism is.
You write a little editor's note that says, Full disclosure, I worked for so and so.
So a lot of that's missing whenever you get around the story, and it is definitely disturbing.
Okay, in a letter to the Department of Defense, Reid tried to move ATIP, which is this threat identification program, into more classified special access status.
The sensitive letter was sent to only a handful of people, one of whom was a career intelligence officer named Lou Elizondo.
Luis Elizondo until last year, and now it's all Lou because this is part of the branding.
Now, it's interesting about Elizondo, he worked in military intelligence, he worked for the DIA, and he worked for the CIA.
And this is somebody who worked during the time he worked with the CIA.
The CIA director was John Brennan, also known as the Drone King.
Now, the Drone King has also expressed an interest in how the CIA should study UFOs.
Of course, they have so many files they haven't even given out to the public.
So he's also a deep piece of this.
And by the way, the reason they call it Him, the drone king, is he dropped more drones than any CIA director in history.
And also, that he had a habit of when he was going for one guy, he would drop a drone on a wedding party, for example, in Afghanistan, wipe out the civilians involved just to get the one guy.
So you'd have these 42 casualties, and maybe, maybe not, you'd get the terrorist.
Well, whenever people have studied those programs, they've always said that for each one of those people killed, you've created 10 terrorists who want to get back at America.
So we'll see so much for Brennan's humanity.
It doesn't seem to exist.
And he, of course, becomes one of the key players in trying to remove Trump from the White House through the phony Russian scandal.
Now, whatever you happen to think of President Trump, the idea of the CIA replacing a president based on their own personal preference harkens back to an assassination that took place in 1963, which was President John F. Kennedy, who was, let's face it, removed by the Central Intelligence Agency, who was largely involved in the cover up as well.
Those are the records that still won't be released, and the CIA is still keeping them.
Although there's a mandate from 1992 which said that all those records had to come out in 2017.
That's the reason that we did an HBO special on it when it came up, and they didn't release the records.
So I guess that is one of those cards that Trump always has in his hands to play.
So I'm going to go and get into this part, which is very crucial.
But before I hop there, Ms. Olivia, how are you doing out there?
Doing great.
Everybody is in rapt attention.
Yeah, I was too.
And this interview suddenly came out.
Shortly after DeLong said we're not a UFO company, I started to wonder about the timing.
And then when Bender showed up on Twitter, you know, half just tweeting like a madman and unblocking John Greenwald from the Black Vault just to insult him and then run back into block status, it's very strange.
And also, when he followed me on Twitter, I thought that was interesting because this guy, Bender, you know, where have you been for two years while I've been doing reports since you put out this thing?
It's very unusual.
And what came out of it is even more unusual.
And Bender, I want to spotlight, has done reports, you know, some real Kennedy hating reports, in my opinion, saying that, you know, the Kennedy Library wouldn't let out records because they don't want to show RFK's dirty deeds, you know, and letting the CIA totally off the hook.
I can see how the CIA pegged this guy as an easy mark.
But that kind of wave, I think, of what's happening here is giving us a sense of this and how certain elements are falling apart.
And when it falls, It's going to pull down a lot of people who are associated with it.
And what they're hoping is that they can just steamroll because they have this $50 million budget, they have a TV show, they have all these media things and all the rest of it.
Problem is, it seems like everywhere from Congress to Intercept Media to Dark Journalists to John Greenwald, the chorus is getting pretty loud for some transparency.
And it's not looking good for the boys of TTSA, let's face it.
Okay.
Media Helping a False Narrative00:13:33
Now, whenever they wheel Reed out, he, remember, is supposed to be some kind of confirmation for this.
Because remember, they lost Dana White.
Okay, so she's out of the picture.
She was the one who vouched for the fact that Elizondo ran ATIP and was this UFO expert.
That's how they pegged him.
But in fact, there's no proof from the Pentagon at all that he had any responsibilities for the ATIP program.
And I'm going to read you that quote from the Pentagon by the person who replaced White.
Okay, now this is important.
This is Knapp in his report.
So, what he says is in 2010, Louis Elizondo became the point man for ATIP, though in recent statements, Pentagon spokespersons deny he ever worked for it.
This is important.
Dana White's out of there, the alibi is gone.
The real people now say he never worked in the program.
Remember, the entire story of Elizondo running a UFO program rests on Dana White.
The military Pentagon spokesperson who was fired for basically she was thrown out for disobeying the rules.
And some of those rules and how she was thrown out in that report, if you read it, and it's lengthy, it's 68 pages, and I've read them all.
I think when we see someone who has character like that, we wouldn't trust them.
I wouldn't trust them to park my car.
So let's think of it that way.
Okay.
Now.
Pentagon spokespersons deny he ever worked for it.
UFO critics, I guess that's me, have pounced on those claims.
Reid said he is appalled but not surprised.
Senator Harry Reid, who blocks audits of the Federal Reserve over a dozen times.
He says in response to this, We have a fringe group of people out there who want to control this, the so called conspiratorial folks.
Reid said they don't want anybody that's based on facts involved in this.
So, what do they do?
First of all, it's a ridiculous statement.
So, what do they do?
They go online and try to belittle Elizondo and me and anyone else that's trying to do it in a scientific way.
Elizondo is a man with a great record serving our country, and people should leave him alone.
Are you kidding me?
He claims that he's been working in a secret program of alien technology and UFOs, and we should leave him alone.
I think we should ask him questions, real questions, not softball questions like, How does it feel telling the truth after so many years?
Lou, I really have to tell you, I admire your courage telling the truth.
How's the impact on you as a person telling the truth?
Those are the questions you finish with after the person has told the truth.
Those aren't the questions you're open with.
First question is Are you still a contract agent for the Central Intelligence Agency?
One.
Two, why have there been so many inconsistencies in your statements about the ATIP program?
Why did you lie about beating it since the Pentagon doesn't confirm it?
That's the effect of saying, look, I called one of your references.
Your reference says that you didn't have that position.
So, therefore, explain it.
Explain why you told that fib when you came out.
It's a pretty big fib and kind of works against the character part of this.
Okay, back to Reed's quote.
So they go online, they try to belittle Elizondo and me, anyone else that's trying to do it in a scientific way.
Elizondo was a man with a great record serving our country, and people should leave him alone.
And one thing about him, he's not backing off, and I appreciate that very much.
Well, Senator Reid, I'm not backing off one inch either.
And Elizondo's going to tell the truth, regardless of his military history.
It's good that he served the country and did all these clandestine things.
He was probably great working behind the lines against, you know, in Afghanistan against terrorists and all the rest of it.
However, you're talking about.
The person that the TTSA dubs the director of global security.
Let's think about that.
I didn't elect him to director of global security.
So, this guy's in charge of global security.
Why don't you just call him like king of the world and get it over with?
So, you're going to get questions when you do things like that.
And it has nothing to do with saying that you had a bad background.
It's saying that since you had a background in counterintelligence, that when you come out in an issue which has constantly been lied to, About, in terms of the public relationship with the government, the government's lied repeatedly about the UFO file.
When you put a counterintelligence guy up there who's a professional liar, it's going to cause problems when he starts lying to the public.
There's no way around it.
And you, as a senator, know that very well.
So, another thing I want to point out is that in his quote, which I think is absurd, he says, They don't want anybody that's based on facts involved in this.
Why wouldn't I, or John Greenwald, or these other people who want the truth from TTSA and are looking for the truth about the UFO file, why wouldn't we want facts?
That doesn't make any sense.
Where are your facts?
You know, these, the Tic Tac video and all that stuff, we know that these videos originally, one of them even came out in 2007 on YouTube.
How special is that?
You've promised, you know, the TTSA has promised access to incredible videos and so much is coming.
Dude, we can't even tell you.
And none of it has manifested at all.
The only thing that they've been able to do is use their press connections to get attention on themselves.
And aren't you, I mean, like me, I think everyone is sick.
Just seeing that one picture over and over again whenever the mainstream media mentions UFO, they show this stupid thing.
Which, I mean, let's take a look at that.
This picture, we don't even know what it is.
It could be a simulation and it might even be a lens flare.
Okay, now there are incredible UFO videos that the CIA has.
We know it.
Why not let them out?
I've seen incredible, much better footage than this.
This is junk.
This is one of the worst pieces of junk I've ever seen.
Displayed across any screen in relation to UFOs.
It's terrible.
It's grainy.
It doesn't show anything.
And I think as an idea that to get you programmed around this one grainy thing and that will give you these little nuggets of truth, but it's on an installment program, you know, like this is Netflix or something and you have to pay 10 bucks a month in order to get your programs, they figure that's how we're wired now.
Some of us aren't.
And I think they're finding that out and running into a lot of real hardcore molasses on the ground.
Now, Now, here's George Knapp's opportunity to clear up everything with Reed about Elizondo leading the ATIP program studying UFOs.
Here's the question George Knapp, would you say definitely he was working for ATIP trying to figure out UFO stuff?
That's not a real question.
Would you say definitely that he was working for ATIP trying to figure out UFO stuff?
He said he led a program to investigate UFOs on behalf of the government, a clandestine program.
He didn't say, Well, I worked for ATIP, we were trying to figure out UFO stuff.
This is incredible, I can't believe that he even did this.
Like, you might as well just have not said it at all.
Here's the answer that's one of the things he did, yes.
That's not a good answer.
I think they know that the truth about ATIP and Elizondo not leading the program is coming out.
And I think that's why DeLong's tweet about they're not really a UFO company, they're not a UFO research company in CAPS, and why we see the people who started this program around pushing this, like Brian Bender from Politico, hello, showing up on YouTube all of a sudden telling me that John Greenwald is not credible.
Well, I'll tell you what, every other news source, including Newsweek, the History Channel, and all these other guys, use Greenwald because he does FOIA requests for classified documents.
So, the only reason he's not acceptable to somebody like Bender is because he exposed that Dana White's the only thing holding the glue of that story together and she's been fired.
So, this is a problem, and this has a lot of people in news terms covering the backsides, and that's what happens in a political mess like this.
This is getting messier.
And when you have people in the UFO field like Knapp and like Dolan close in with it, it's not going to be good for them.
My recommendation would be.
Step back and let TTSA fight their own battles.
One, two, stop praising them from the sidelines because it's a CIA organization, which are the organizations that guys like you fought against for years and years, saying the government, the CIA are keeping records from us.
So when you show up arm in arm walking around with Elizondo or something, it's not a good look.
You know, you've inspired people, you've even inspired me.
A guy like Knapp, I have to think now, the first time I came across Knapp, probably 19 or 20 years old.
And I like the fact that he thought the government was hiding something in relation to this.
I don't want to see a guy like that working closely with CIA agents to take over the UFO file.
That doesn't make sense.
It's not consistent behavior.
Now, he's been at it a long time.
He might say, well, I know things that you don't know and all the rest of it.
I understand that.
There is a deep level of connections around defense intelligence officials, et cetera.
But the CIA is not the place to go for honest UFO disclosure.
Whoever thought that was correct is an error.
I don't care if it's George Knapp or Dolan or anybody.
It's a mistake.
And they should, in my opinion, pledge not to work with CIA elements like TTSA.
And I think that they shouldn't, you know, they should make a pledge not to take any.
I think everyone in the UFO field should make a pledge not to work with these people or accept any, you know, payments from them or any influence from them at all if they want the truth around these things.
You know, look, there's a lot of ways to get at the UFO file.
And a lot of what's happening with TTSA and the entertainment consortium that they represent, they're trying to get between you and the story.
And they have the media helping them on this.
There's good UFO cases going on.
There's 70 years of a track record history there.
You don't need this organization and its CIA shenanigans and its public lying.
And we don't need them to have a big disaster like.
Stock mix up, or whatever it is, or the lead person that they have being exposed and not running the program that he claimed that he did, that just makes the UFO thing look even worse.
So, that's I think pretty easy to size up.
You know, that's for openers.
How far have we even gotten into the program yet?
I have a lot for you guys tonight.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist X Series 72, and this is the TTSA CIA takeover.
The UFO file, it's not going very well, and they're not going to get very far with it.
But I think it is something that we all need to pay attention to and bring a lot of transparency to.
Yes.
Okay, so a lot of people in the ideas room are talking about Dolan, and I think it's probably time to address it.
So Bruce Wayne said Dolan gives TTSA props for bringing the subject to mainstream media.
What's DJ's thought on that?
Well, I can sum it up pretty easily that Richard Dolan of 2010 would not work with.
The TTSA.
So that's just, I mean, that's a pretty easy one.
So you have to think how somebody's thinking would migrate over to this.
Now, I'm surprised when I hear him say anything positive.
He can, I mean, he has his own agenda in doing that, and I'm sure he has his own channels of contacts and all the rest of it.
I'm not trying to tell him or Knapp what to do.
What I do think is fundamental, and it can't be backed away from, is that the CIA influence on ATIP.
I have, I'm going to show this.
And you can get this right on the TTSA website, too.
It's not something that's invented.
The CIA's Hidden Agenda00:13:38
This is Jim Semivan.
Okay, Jim Semivan.
Is he's one of the co founders of TTSA.
He's the vice president of operations.
Okay, three decades CIA official, senior CIA official.
That's Semivan, right?
Let's read a little bit of his history.
VP of operations to the STARS Academy.
Semivan was a CIA senior intelligence service member where he worked as a consultant on classified projects, retired.
From the CIA's Directorate of Operations after 25 years as an operations officer in the United States and international locations.
And he says, I joined the Central Intelligence Agency in 1983 and had a wonderful 25 year career there, working briefly for the Directorate of Science and Technology and then later transferring to the Directorate of Operations of the Clandestine Service.
That's an incredibly high position inside the Central Intelligence Agency.
So, The VP of Operations and co founder is a major CIA official.
Then we have Luis Elizondo, also co founder, counterintelligence agency, worked for decades for the CIA, the DIA, John Brennan, and so on.
Then we have a list of other people.
Like I said, combined, they have over 100 years of CIA experience.
This is a CIA.
Company.
And when you want a little relief from all the CIA people, you get Lockheed Martin people.
Lockheed Martin is one of the most secretive military contracting groups.
And a lot of people call them the United States of Lockheed because they have so much power and control.
I mean, one of the stories that Catherine Austin Fitz tells us that when she was trying to get records when she worked at HUD, the company that was blocking her the most was Lockheed.
And she found out that they were the ones who controlled all of the paperwork.
And so the flow of that paperwork.
So, it wasn't open systems.
Hey, can I look at this?
So, when we get to programs like FASB 56, which she's pointed out, which takes pretty much all that whole wing of military government dark and doesn't let us go through those Pentagon programs, she thinks that that's a fascist takeover of the United States government.
So, that's Lockheed Martin who's in the middle of that.
So, I think we have to look at this properly and say that military contractors.
As Eisenhower warned in his farewell speech before he handed the baton off to Kennedy, who warned about the CIA, and tried to break them up into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind, why?
Because they were pretending taking on authority that they don't have.
Because frankly, the Central Intelligence Agency is an extra constitutional agency, it's not envisioned in the Constitution.
Harry Truman sets it up after World War II, saying the president needs to get information.
Now, I've studied a lot of history, and I've, you know, with people like Professor Peter Dale Scott, who I've had on the program, and how the CIA got in there through the National Security Act, and how a group that was called the Office of Policy Coordination became this strange branch that went out and did things like overturned elections.
These were kind of like the dirty players that, when you really needed something to be done, You went in there and you did it against the communists or whatever.
But the OPC and Frank Weisner, who ran it, knew no boundaries in terms of ethical behavior to get the job done.
And Truman, looking at this, turned to people like Alan Dulles and said, Get that, whatever that wing is, get it under control and bring it under the umbrella of CIA.
And from the deep scholarly work of people like Professor Scott, who coined the term the deep state, by the way, and I highly recommend.
His book, American Deep State.
And this is somebody who's been, you know, someone who's tracked the history of drug smuggling into this country and who has also tracked things like assassinations, political assassinations, et cetera.
Professor Scott, you know, basically has surmised that it was this OPC that overtook the other aspect, the kind of intelligence gathering aspect.
And so the covert operations wing, by the time we get to the Kennedy presidency, They have so much power and they're doing things on their own that he's trying to reel them in and saying, No, you can't do that.
Like the president calls the shots.
Remember, the American people hire me and then I tell you what to do.
And this battle goes on and on.
And behind the scenes, a big piece of it becomes the UFO file when President Kennedy brings forward, as we have documented in several memos, the idea that we need to share some of the high risk cases of UFOs with the Russian counterparts.
Because if they see One of these things over a nuclear facility, they might think we're trying to bomb them.
This was Kennedy's thinking.
I also believe he's trying to move the culture forward by getting everyone on the same page and hoping that they'll share some of their stuff with us.
You know, there's no question, and I've brought forward people on this program, like Watergate lawyer Douglas Caddy, who said and who was the best friend of E. Howard Hunt, and Hunt had told him the reason Kennedy was assassinated was the UFO file.
This is a major piece.
It's an explosive piece.
And remember, the UFO file is not just the alien factor.
It also includes a lot of the sex technology that we talk about on this program.
So it gets us into territory.
Like we have to understand that bigger picture of what the Central Intelligence Agency is about.
It doesn't mean, you know, oh, are you impugning the dignity of these good CIA agents who are doing.
No, it's the fundamental setup of clandestine power.
Now, you can attract good people in to do that work, absolutely.
But the system itself, Is beholden to itself, not to the American people.
That's why you see them trying to even now overturn elections as there being people like Clapper and people like Brennan.
Remember, Brennan's calling for the UFO thing too.
He's saying we need that research.
He might as well go arm in arm with Elizondo and do a press conference, being like, we're so misunderstood.
So suddenly the CIA is interested in a public version of the UFO file.
Now, I'm going to tell you something interesting, which is in 2014 and 2015.
They went very heavily out there to say, remember all those UFO reports in the 50s and 60s?
It was us.
There were no UFOs.
We were just doing it.
And they came up with this whole program showing pictures and all the rest of it.
So something happened in 2014 and 2015.
By the time you get to 2016 in the election, the CIA is on board with this thing.
They weren't before it.
They were very happy, like they always have been, covering things up for 70 years and hiding things sometimes lethally.
So the subject matter itself, the UFO thing, finds itself under layers and layers of secrecy.
And people who try to get to it, Come up against this wall over and over again.
And I've referred to that as X Protect on this program as a kind of shorthand for these groups.
But there's no question that a sensible person in the field has to understand that the CIA is not the place to go to for transparency relating to the UFO file.
And so when you combine that with an entertainment company, with all this money, with funny stock stuff going on, with these weird rollouts.
PR stories that then depend on one person who then later is fired over ethics violations.
It's not a real story the way that we have it.
And they're trying to thrust this thing onto people.
And now they have these programs unidentified.
Now it's season two.
And they want to influence everyone in the UFO field to get on board with this.
There's no question in my mind this is a political issue around the UFO aspect.
And it does, you know.
It's going to be important for people who know something about the subject to come forward on this.
But the first thing, and I mean numero uno, is not allowing a PR campaign, a kind of marketing approach backed by the CIA and on board with elements of the mainstream media that are very dicey, giving us a fake story about a UFO threat.
Because remember, that's where they want to go with it.
They're not like, should we discover extraterrestrial intelligence on another planet?
No, they're all about the UFO threat over and over again.
The TTSA is, oh, there's a big threat out there.
Yep, there's a threat because they want to plug themselves into that Pentagon money chain.
You know, we're up to a trillion dollars a year in that defense budget.
They want a piece of it and they figure this is the way to get it.
I think that what's happening is the TTSA thing and its rollout is this half baked thing.
Now, let's kind of flash back to where it originally came from.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist program.
We're on episode X72.
We're going deep on why we're seeing the things we're seeing in the mainstream media relating to UFOs, who the TTSA really are, who are these forces that are backing them, and why are they rolling out people like Reed and asking them softball questions to try to confirm that TTSA is legit.
By the way, that's a shot there of Reed talking with Knapp recently for this report.
And that new report just came out, actually.
I think it was yesterday.
So that's breaking news there.
And I do highly recommend it.
And as I can say, for those of you who are NAP fans in the audience, so have I been.
And, you know, I like his work exposing Area 51 and all the UFO programs that he did.
I have no idea how he got on board with TTSA, but I have looked into that.
And I think that between Reed, Bigelow, and DeLong, it just seemed like too attractive a thing to.
Get involved with and defend.
And, you know, Reed coming out here in the middle of treatment for this ailment that he has, trying to defend Elizondo.
This is also highly unusual.
And then, what is it that comes up right away in this episode?
They talk all about the Clintons and how the Clintons believe in UFOs and how they're going to have meetings with the Clintons about all this.
So you can see that political element is always going round and round on this.
So let's keep that in mind as we go.
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Dangerous Threat Stories for Money00:10:56
We have the people, and we can move this forward, but just get the CIA out of it.
So what if they have access to TV and $50 million budgets?
They'll be the first ones to hop.
I sensed a little bit of that panic when I was seeing some of these writers associated with the original release of that story.
Let me tell you, I can just imagine them calling up their intelligence counterparts and being like, what's going on here?
And not getting a call back.
That's the way that the CIA rolls.
They move on to something else.
And that's the kind of power that they have.
So throwing in with them on the takeover of the UFO file, terrible idea.
I don't know who is advising some of the better people in this field to go along with that.
But I'm going to expose more about just how bad of an idea that is.
Can I ask you a question?
Oh, yeah.
So if Lou was not in charge of ATIP, Why was he chosen to be in charge of this PSYOP?
That's a real good question.
Yeah.
It's clear he was not in charge of ATIP or they would have produced that paperwork.
They wanted to present him as the leader of a program.
They had, it was crucial for them to place him in some kind of leadership position so we could trust him and say, like, oh, he came out.
You know, if you remember some of those early pictures of him, and the theme was, they were very professional pictures too.
They got a really good photographer for this.
I know.
It'd be nice to hire that photographer, actually.
I know.
It's great to track him down.
And it was like, you know, Elizondo was angry.
He wants the truth about UFOs.
And he was constantly saying at these things, like, I'm risking so much.
Don't you realize that I'm putting my whole career on the line?
And then, in the same breath, a couple of questions later, he would say, Well, I can't violate my NDA with CIA, so I can't tell you that.
And so, well, if you can't violate your NDA, then what are you risking?
Anyone can come out and talk about UFOs.
True.
Right, whistleblowers are in jail.
We know what that looks like.
Oh, yeah.
Let's talk about a real whistleblower, Julian Assange.
I mean, publishing whistleblowers.
Chelsea Manning, in jail.
Chelsea Manning, exactly.
And this is the kind of risks that are involved.
So, Elizondo is a look, he's a counterintelligence guy doing a counterintelligence job.
And I don't believe that this is some private sector venture for him.
I believe he's deeply connected with those programs.
And if anyone would just ask him if he's still contracting, then we'd have that answer.
So, he's welcome to come on this program anytime.
And that would be the first question I ask him in a gentlemanly fashion, of course.
And when I say debate, I mean, I'm not going to.
Sit there and accuse them of things.
I'm going to lay out journalistic questions and say, What's the answer to this?
What's the answer to that?
What's the answer to this?
And they have the opportunity to do it right on the show.
As a matter of fact, if they called in right now and said they wanted to be on the show, I would talk to them.
But the fact is, across the board from a number of different press outlets, Intercept, John Greenwald's Black Vault, Hot Air just did a very impressive piece on them.
It's coming, you know, like TTSA is not holding up.
Whatever.
They've been trying to roll out, it is not.
And what they're doing is they're shooting over this.
They're not answering the questions.
They're saying, We've got the money, we've got an entertainment division, we'll just keep on putting out these press releases.
And when we get people to release those as articles, then the tide will change.
And they do have some people like that.
I've pointed that out before.
One of the guys that they have doing that is Alejandro Rojas.
Now, this is an interesting thing.
This is somebody who again goes after Greenwald because of the reporting that he did on.
A tip and TTSA saying it did not add up.
And if you go through the timeline, he very carefully shows where they weren't consistent.
And I mean, they're outright falsehoods that they've told.
So, Alejandro now runs Open Minds and he does conferences and stuff.
And I've never really thought much about him or his work, frankly.
It just came up in relation to this.
And so I wouldn't know much to have an opinion on him or any of his work.
However, I can say from talking to him on forums and things related to this that he just does strange stonewalling things.
And he'll say, he has very pat answers when I ask about Elizondo.
He'll say, How dare you impugn somebody whose integrity is so, you know, that's ridiculous.
No, because as a journalist, you ask questions.
I don't know what he's doing.
But whenever they do shows now, you know, Elizondo will come out and then he'll be like, My man, you know, Alejandro.
And Alejandro will be like, Yeah, you're doing it.
You know, I mean, these are not good relationships.
They're not the kind of things we want to encourage, which is you don't want to kiss up.
To somebody who is laying out a story, what you want to do is question them and get the facts from them.
And if you think their story is legit, then you help get it out.
But you don't play that game, the influence game, and like, you know, don't high five me because you're a great whistleblower and I'll be your attack poodle if anyone challenges you.
That's not journalism and there's nothing legit about that.
So, you know, the reason we go into independent media is because there's enough of that in mainstream media.
But I'll tell you, even with mainstream media, I don't think that they fall, you know, they've promoted a lot of TTSA bunk, but to actually reprint their press releases.
And I asked Alejandro, why do you do that?
And he said, because they're written by sophisticated men who have like a background in physics.
It's their company.
You know, I know very well when I get a press release, I don't put it out as an article.
I go through it and get certain details and write my own article.
So this is the problem here.
And there is an influence problem with this.
And it has to be addressed.
It's the 800 pound gorilla in the room.
It doesn't look good.
You know, and we have to talk about it because in the UFO field, It's easy to have that kind of influence when you're rolling out projects, movies, and money and all the rest of it.
But that doesn't do the truth any good.
So if we're in the truth finding business and we're no longer asking questions, you get out of the business.
Go do something else.
You know, go run a golf course.
But it's not a place for people who aren't seeking the truth because you're going to run across people who are interested in it and there's going to be a problem.
Okay, let's take a look at this.
Let's look at some people.
How are we doing out there?
Doing great.
I have to say, the whole thing, I was really ready for trolls tonight.
And we have not had them.
Everybody, I think you have been, you and John Greenwald have been vindicated in your original take on them.
I think people have come around and seen the truth.
They see through the TTSA and it's impressive.
It's no question about it.
Well, the important thing is look, I would be, one of the conversations I had with Greenwald when it first happened was he was very excited that a corporation was coming out and going for disclosure.
The idea suited him.
He was ready for it.
He's somebody who's been out there for two decades doing this.
So I knew that he was really ready for it.
I looked at them kind of skeptically right off the bat.
But the idea is this if there was a company that was legitimately interested in UFO disclosure, that was putting money into it and trying to develop personalities and develop reports and media and all that, it would be fantastic.
Instead, we have this kind of freak upside down thing of the CIA closing in and being like, you know, working their connections in the media and getting this whole thing wrapped around presidential campaign.
I mean, and then also putting out PR stories that have factual errors and then not admitting to the errors and then accusing the people who are bringing it up of, you know, what was it that Harry Reid said?
We were conspiracists who didn't like facts or something like that.
This is the way that they do it instead of owning up to the fact and saying, yeah, well, this was an operation.
We came in through the back door.
We had the CIA.
We had the money.
We had the press.
We thought we could do it.
And if you had Hillary Clinton in office, you may have been able to pull it off.
But instead, you've got a divided thing up there.
You've got the Trump Space Force operation disclosure, which wants to militarize space.
I'm not into that either.
And then you've got this other thing, which wants to see everything as a threat to get the money going through Congress.
And they want to plug in another trillion dollars for a UFO threat.
Here's my impression of Louis Elizondo in an interview.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Threat, da, da, threat, oh yeah, threat, threat, threat.
Did I tell you about the UFO threat?
It's actually a UAP threat.
That's another spin.
So, threat is the term.
This is the one.
And I'll tell you this too.
If they push the threat aspect, what they're really pushing you into is a war footing against something that nobody understands in the public, which means it's anybody's game.
It's somebody's weird anonymous thing saying, there's a threat out there.
We need to defend you against it.
That doesn't advance our understanding of the UFO file, alien civilizations, whatever it happens to be.
So, this is very, extremely dangerous.
And that they could, you know, there's been this idea that they would use a false alien invasion in order to declare martial law and things like that.
Look, it's a far flung scenario, but you know, if they're in the military, if you look at things and programs like Operation Northwoods that they've put out in the past looking at these things, you know that they've summed it up and they've said, this is what we could do.
It's an extremely dangerous thing to bring in the idea of a threat, but that's how they think they can get the money.
And that's how they can get the influence.
And ultimately, that's how they can sell it on the political side in terms of consolidating power through fear.
That's why it's so dangerous.
That's why it's not just this lally gag entertainment consortium, because the CIA forces are behind it.
In my opinion, for TTSA, anyone who's involved in real research in the UFO field should have nothing, zero to do with the STARS Academy.
Because it's a CIA backed organization which has been proven to be deceptive to the public.
So, if you're somebody who has two decades and the public trusts you as being a transformative figure who's interested in honesty, you can't turn around lightly then and disappoint that audience by hooking up with the very people who have been covering up that truth over the past three decades, regardless of if it suits your career or if it suits your need for disclosure or whatever it happens to be.
It's a bad move.
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And in my opinion, it's a violation of your oath of honesty when you get into doing journalism.
So if you're not going to be honest, get out of the business.
Simple.
This is a business that compels you to be honest when you're dealing with these subjects.
And people like me who want to do journalism about this are going to ask you honest questions.
So if I sat down with you, Harry Reid, George Knapp says, I'm actually going to read his actual quote.
George Knapp says.
Well, this is interesting.
I mean, if you really think about it, he had the opportunity there.
It was perfect.
He was wide open and he said, All you have to do is tell me, did Elizondo lead the ATIP program?
And all Reed had to do was say, Yes, yes, he left.
And instead, what we got was he said, Was he involved in UFO stuff?
Kind of.
And Reed said, Yeah, I definitely think that that was one of the things that he did.
It's not good enough.
You put.
What would have been a world changing headline in the New York Times and Politico, based on the idea that this guy led the program.
And the people who proliferated that story, like Brian Bender from Politico, even though he's trying to run a mile from it now, he got his quote of Elizondo leading that program from Dana White, Pentagon spokesperson, who was then fired for unethical behavior.
So, your source goes out the window.
What do you do?
You do what I asked Bender to do, which is print a retraction, saying, This is the source that I use, but the source has been impugned.
So, therefore, I'm retracting the story.
And when I asked him, Are you going to retract the story since your source is no longer legit?
He said, I'll retract the story if TTSA requests that I do it.
I'll honor their request.
So, who does he work for?
It's interesting.
So, obviously, Politico, you're not interested in the truth because there's not even an editor's note on that story.
How about we relied on this story on Dana White and she was thrown out of the Pentagon?
I mean, that's it.
So, this is a really kind of major problem.
Also, I have a big kind of just a sense that guys like Bender don't understand the UFO file at all and that they are really relying on their connections with military and central intelligence people and get their talking points from them.
And that they've been talked into this and brought on board.
And, you know, what did he get as a reward?
Well, they had him on the program.
They had him on Unidentified.
He's like a regular feature on the TV show.
And there you are as a journalist saying, you know, these guys, like, this is really top-notch.
You couldn't ask for a better 18 than this dude.
I mean, what kind of a way is that for an objective journalist to talk about a subject like this?
You're talking about aliens and UFOs that are a threat, according to Elizondo.
Or something's a threat, right?
So it's a UFO threat.
But you're willing to sit there and be like, these guys are 18.
How about a real question?
Like, Elizondo, did you run the ATIP program?
Why is there no paperwork?
He said he spent months vetting Elizondo.
Well, I guess you relied heavily on Dana White.
I understand that.
She was the Pentagon spokesperson.
She's out of there.
What does the current one say?
Let's read it, actually.
There's nothing like print to tell us what the story is.
The Intercept, Keith Clore.
The media love this UFO expert who says he worked for an obscure Pentagon program, did he?
Okay, ready?
Quote There's no discernible evidence that Luis Elizondo ever worked for a government UFO program, much less led one.
Okay.
For starters, that's pretty interesting.
Now, there's a lot in here about DeLong and so on, but Chris Mellon comes out and speaks.
We know that Mellon again worked for both Clinton and W.
And he was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.
And he says, This is no longer an issue.
The issue is why, no, we know that UFOs exist, says Mellon.
This is no longer an issue.
The issue is why are they here?
Where are they coming from?
And what is the technology behind these devices that we are observing?
Mellon, like Elizondo, works for To the Stars.
His title, according to his company's website, is National Security Affairs Advisor.
First of all, they've got global security and national security under TTSA, but they're an entertainment consortium.
So why are these guys getting this King of the World titles?
I don't know.
It's one of those things.
On Fox and Friends, they neglected to mention this connection, along with the fact that the History Channel show was made by the company Elizondo and Mellon work for that they were talking about.
So when they came out and they talked about it, It's part of their own show.
So that's kind of stuff you should bring up front.
Okay.
This is the really deep stuff.
Ready?
Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White.
This is from Brian Bender's article for Politico that originally got the whole thing rolling.
Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White confirmed to Politico that the program existed and was run by Elizondo.
She was the one who said Elizondo ran it.
Brian Bender wrote in December 2017.
Earlier this year, Dana White, a Trump administration political appointee, resigned amid an internal probe into charges of misconduct.
Therefore, what she said in relation to this doesn't hold up anymore.
Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood told me that he can't confirm White's statement.
Christopher Sherwood.
Is the new Pentagon spokesperson.
As it happens, Brian Bender, who is Political's defense editor, and remember, I've pointed out before that he did these articles criticizing the Kennedy Library because they were hiding these secrets about all these clandestine activities that RFK did.
What about the CIA?
Are you interested in that, Brian?
Interesting.
He appeared, as it happens, Bender, who's Political's defense editor, had a recurring role in the first episode of Unidentified.
That's, you know, this is a problem.
It's conflict of interest.
That's what it's called.
If you have a conflict of interest, you can't report objectively anymore.
Okay.
Bender, who's Politico's defense editor, had a recurring role in the first episode of Unidentified, he appeared on camera numerous times as a kind of authoritative character witness for Elizondo, Mellon, and their UFO investigations.
Quote This is Bender now.
There's going to be a big payoff here in a moment.
If you were trying to come up with the A team of former high level government officials who would come forward on this issue, you can't really think of a better team, Bender says in the screener.
Lou Elizondo, Chris Mellon, these guys still have security clearances, still have networks in Washington, still are in the business, if you will.
Oh, really?
I thought that Elizondo said that he lost everything after he came out against this program and he lost all of his government status and all the rest.
That's interesting.
The last part sounds like a cryptic reference to contract work they might be doing for a U.S. intelligence agency or some other government entity.
Bingo, including running the TTSA.
That's my lean in.
Back to the quote from The Intercept, Keith Clore.
Elizondo confirmed to me earlier this year that he is, in fact, working as a government contractor.
But it's not what you think it is, he said.
Mellon did not respond at all to my request for comment.
So Elizondo is on the government payroll, running TTSA, pretending that he's an outsider, pretending that he is the whistleblower of the century, pretending that he led ATIP.
He's a military contractor.
For the Central Intelligence Agency.
He's confirmed it to Keith Clarke.
Okay?
So, therefore, when you have people who come out and said, I don't think that, you know, like Dolan said, I don't think TTSA is a government psyop, all the CIA people behind it who are vice president of operations, over 100 years of CIA experience behind them, do I need to remind you what the CIA does, what their job is?
And then this guy confirms to The Intercept that he still works for the government.
They're not outsiders.
They work for the government.
This is a government operation funded by this weird mix of central intelligence people and Tom DeLong, who they grabbed as the Bobo for this.
Does it make sense now?
So the TTSA, over the course of two years, this is basically their two year anniversary, and before that they were releasing the books and stuff.
The reason they're running from this UFO label is suddenly in the last week, it's very interesting.
It doesn't really play so well.
So, something is wrong in paradise.
Something's gone awry.
Let's get into some of those signs that something's gone awry.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist episode X72.
This is the CIA takeover of the UFO file via the Two with Stars Academy of Tom DeLong and Louis Elizondo and CIA professional.
Jim Semiban, along with a lot of other CIA guys.
You know, the CIA, they have their own kind of ways and means for getting these kind of control of the public narrative, but this is really one of the most bald faced attempts to control a subject matter I've ever seen.
And I think that we're really seeing the breakdown of this story as we go along.
Now, one of the things that I did want to point out had to do with some tweets that I want to show, actually.
Oh, one thing I wanted to point out was in relation to that A plus business status, and this is something that John Greenwald had posted, which is the founder of rock band Blink 182, Tom DeLong, seeks your money to study UFOs, telepathy, and light speed travel, but declined the opportunity to talk to Barron's about it.
So when Barron's asked him to talk about his company and that strange little stock offering that Congress person got so uptight about, he declined the opportunity.
That's not a good sign.
It's really not.
Wouldn't you want all the press you could get?
I mean, yeah.
Well, especially if questions of transparency were being raised.
But this is, you know, I'm in my ivory tower and I come down once in a while and either I'll talk to George Knapp or, you know, so you have your people queued up, but they never talk to anybody real.
If they talk to me, 99% of their story is going to fall apart immediately because I know the facts.
So it's a problem.
And it really gets into a problem.
I think the bigger problem for the UFO field is what happens when you're faced with.
All these companies that's mischaracterized themselves and lied repeatedly to the public, and they're controlling the whole dialogue for everything that goes on among that group.
I mean, it's problematic.
So I think that we're in that very interesting phase.
Now, some of the earlier portions of the development of this phase, this picture is very important because here, standing next to Tom DeLong, is John Podesta.
Podesta was Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, of course, and he was also chief of staff.
For President Obama and had worked before that for the Clintons when Bill Clinton was president in the 90s.
But he was absolutely hardcore when he was running the Hillary Clinton campaign.
And he was close with DeLong because they both had this interest in UFOs.
But a lot of this can be called a Podesta disclosure, in my opinion, because they thought she was getting in and they were trying to figure out how to spin this.
So this was the orientation, the early part.
Of all this.
And then there's a couple of pictures here that open this up too.
This one, Tom DeLong on Podesta emails.
WikiLeaks released some of those emails between Podesta and DeLong.
And this was part of the document done.
And they kind of showed basically them forming the op.
And so he said Tom DeLong on Podesta emails, WikiLeaks messed up some important stuff.
What seems like ridiculous subject matter to most is of massive importance to admirable national security leadership, writes guitarist.
So, you know, we see that early development on the political stage was Hillary Clinton putting together this UAP thing, and everywhere she goes, she's talking about UAP this and UAP that, and how she's going to get to the bottom of all this.
This is what the To the Stars Academy app was all about.
And what happened was instead, Trump got in.
Opportunistic Ties to the CIA00:15:47
Boom, stop.
A lot of this apparatus is there, but it doesn't have the support at the top.
So, they have to take their chances and roll it out anyway, which is what they did two years ago.
And they did it through the Central Intelligence Agency and they did it through the media.
The Central Intelligence Agency controls so much of the media because they can make or break your career.
It's pretty easy because their access, you know, if they give you information about a story overseas, those are the guys who have that kind of information.
And if you're out or if the Council of Foreign Relations kicks you out, it's going to be very hard as a journalist.
To get anywhere.
So, you know, those are some of the reasons that we can see that.
The next thing that comes up is that when they release this op, it kind of stumbles around.
It almost evaporates completely, but they have a comeback at a certain point after they've gone through a number of frontmen.
And, you know, the frontmen, they've done Elizondo, they did DeLong, they did Harry Reid for a while, which was really funny.
And they seem very comfortable placing themselves in this.
Kind of power circuit being like, we have all these people that are on board with us.
We're moving forward.
We're moving Congress forward.
It's because they're convincing people that with the UFO threat idea, they're going to be able to get on this money train and forget about selling books and t shirts and things like that.
You get public funding directly through the coffers for a UFO threat from that military budget that's ever expanding.
You're doing pretty well.
That's a pretty good money gig.
And there's probably lots of opportunities there too for clandestine black budget.
Activities to take place.
So it's a very, very structured situation.
And that's the real picture of TTSA.
A couple more quick things, and then we're going to take your questions here in the second half of the program.
You're watching the Dark Journalist show.
Ask the questions all in caps, and Miss Olivia is going to put them together.
How's it going out there?
Going great.
I've got plenty of questions for you.
I can imagine.
I'm looking forward to it.
Here's one.
I wanted to point this out.
This was also part of that wrong.
Sorry, I've got to read this.
So, B B Baker says Who in the hell wears jeans to the White House?
What a dickweed DeLong is.
I think, yeah, it's a missed opportunity for sure.
All right, here's another one.
From the 2016 campaign, Rolling Stone Clinton campaign promises to declassify UFO files.
Clinton campaign, that's Podesta leading the charge, convincing Hillary, this will be good.
I've got this whole op set up.
I'm working with Tom DeLong.
DeLong, it's interesting because the original people he's talking to seem more political and military.
Somewhere along the line during that 2016 campaign, all the CIA people jump in.
And I think that that's where that whole program went awry, that and when Hillary didn't get in.
And that's why we're seeing this kind of incredible, you know, John Greenwald at the Black Vault has documented it.
It's here, navigating the twisted maze of the ATIP timeline where he exposes over and over again the inconsistencies around what this group is presenting.
I mean, it's really mind numbing.
When you read it, because your jaw will drop at the things that they've said and then run away from and then never followed up with or apologized for, just kept, you know, keep the ball rolling.
No accountability.
Now, I've pointed out that Dana White was what they hung the entire Elizondo running the ATIP program story on.
That's something that can't be denied, all the things in relation to her.
I mean, it's just, it's out there.
This is the cover.
For the original political story by Brian Bender, put out December 16, 2017, that caused all the fuss, and then the New York Times article right with it.
All this relied on the idea that Dana White had given them correct information.
We find out later she's compromised in her job and is dismissed for that.
Then what she has forked over in terms of information could have been there's a number of scenarios, but anyway, you wouldn't take it as a credible source anymore.
That's the fact.
So, the source is no longer good.
Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White confirmed to Politico that the program existed and was run by Elizondo.
Well, she's not a good source.
So, your entire article falls apart.
Okay, now, interestingly enough, the person who wrote that is Brian Bender.
He is on Twitter.
And as I think I mentioned earlier, there was some back and forth, to say the least, between him and Greenwald.
How he had blocked people who had criticized him, and that's his right because the guy's on Twitter and doing his thing.
But on one of these tweets, he.
This is a whole kind of rundown of this tweet session that we had the other day.
I found this particularly interesting.
It happened on Halloween, so that's yesterday, right?
Boy, the days are melting fast.
So he's starting to talk about it.
And the Black Vault, John Greenwald has pointed out a number of things that TTSA have said, which just weren't true or misrepresented.
And so, what he says, he goes out there to defend TTSA and he says, I think you're right.
This is personal.
And when it becomes personal, it cannot be dispassionate.
Chip, meat, shoulder.
If these emails had been revelatory, I've missed it.
They have been twisted and turned to attack.
And actually, this is a Greenwald going through a series of emails related to the story.
And if you go through that, that's just what a journalist or a researcher does.
You put those out there.
It has nothing to do with passion.
I have a passion to do it.
Passion's a good thing anyway.
Okay, so I submitted there after seeing him take all these shots.
I said, Mr. Bender, you and Politico didn't do due diligence.
Wake up.
The To the Stars Academy version of the ATIP story is bogus, which has been proven to be bogus.
Your version was based on a Pentagon official who resigned because the inspector general found an ethics violation.
And then he did some back and forth responses.
But then at the end of all that, he said, Please show me all of your reporting to support your claim that TTSA has lied.
I'm truly interested in seeing your work.
Well, gee, I only have, what, you know, a thousand hours of YouTube videos out there.
If you're interested, show on up.
I'm truly interested in seeing your work.
I suspect there is none, just trolling.
Okay.
And then I said, first, have you read the timeline on the black ball for starters?
Okay.
Before even referring him to my 10 episodes on the thing, I said, do you see Mellon using a Mylar balloon photo as a UFO to start and kick off the TTSA?
And then I said, TTSA is an embarrassment of hype and public deception from the start.
And I gave him the link to John Greenwald's detailed study.
Of everything that they've said and all the inconsistencies around the ATIP story.
It's there, it's public record, anyone can see it.
I mean, it's embarrassing for a journalist.
And what does he say?
Not Greenwald, a credible source.
Well, let's see.
Greenwald is used by so many media organizations because all of his work is based on FOIA requests.
So, what else, what more credible, what would you like?
Somebody from TTSA?
That's going to be hard.
So I wrote, it's you who are not acting credible by promoting a story supported by a discredited source, Dana White, who the Pentagon fired.
Why doesn't he bring this up?
His source that he based the whole story on got fired a couple months later.
Why bring Politico to a new low when they could be exposing a complete public deception?
You should pull that first TTSA UFO story.
It is not factual.
This is it.
They could have a fantastic time.
As a news organization, saying this company gave us wrong information, we went into it, we exposed them, and we exposed that this was a whole UFO LARP on behalf of TTSA.
That would be a great news story for any normal chain.
What journalists like better than exposing a fraud, right?
It makes them look great.
That's an excellent point.
But instead, what do we get?
We get, he says at the end that.
If you think I based my whole story on her, I have nothing else to say to you.
Oh, you know, not with that.
So, you know, for me, this guy's not interested in the business of finding the truth because if he was, he'd be after the story.
Instead, he's after Greenwald, who is unpacking the story.
So, you know, this is the whole attack poodle thing.
If you can't, Attack the story, you attack the players.
And that's what they did.
But the fact that they turned up the heat and were doing this, I think, is significant.
It came on the heels of DeLong saying that they weren't a UFO research company.
To which, by the way, when I mentioned that to Bender and said, you know, I mean, doesn't that kind of negate your whole article also?
Which is the whole thing is all about the TTSA disclosure company.
And he says, well, you know, if they aren't in the business of researching, If they aren't doing UFO research, they shouldn't talk about UFOs.
Yeah, that's the first.
That's kind of like the cat, the canary in the coal mine.
I mean, we're getting the hint that these people are going to have to jump off board at some point, and that ain't going to be pretty.
Let me tell you, it is not going to be pretty because if you sat with a story for two years, it's not going to look good for your own professional credential that you let so many of these facts go by and that you didn't correct it when you had the chance.
We've been asking for.
But you can see this all comes out of this ATIP story, which is Elizondo coming forward and saying that he ran ATIP.
And then, as a result of that, you should trust him as a UFO authority.
And by the way, he's got $50 million from the TTSA, and they have the unidentified program.
So everyone should bow down and say, give us disclosure, TTSA.
The problem is that it's anyone who has any handle on the facts and can do any research can easily tell that most, about 98% of anything that TTSA has said on the record.
You know, they've always promised all these things were coming, and they've misled just the basic story, even the construction story, and even the titling names of different programs.
So, you know, for me, when I look at that and they go back to saying, well, we're an entertainment consortium, that's a way out.
That's saying we don't have any accountability.
We can always say, we were doing it for entertainment.
Well, if you're entertainment, fine.
Then stop pretending to be real and stop being used by the CIA as a chokehold to.
Gain the UFO file and the public's trust on the issue and create a UFO threat, which you can then funnel through Congress for all this money.
The formula is very simple.
Anyone who's looking at it logically, to see people in our own field, as I've pointed out, supporting TTSA or embracing them or working with them is surprising and shocking.
And I think that this turnaround.
Isn't going to look good for them if TTSA is now coming into trouble.
So, my recommendation would be for people who are in the UFO field or who are studying alternative research to not go anywhere near the TTSA because their work has been provably misleading.
And that it's getting very problematic because you have people from Politico, like Bender, criticizing Greenwald, who everyone in the UFO field knows.
You know, you do all those shows like Coast to Coast or whoever they are.
Dolan knows Greenwald.
He knows that Greenwald doesn't have an axe to grind.
He knows that Greenwald has the facts.
How are you going to balance those things out?
So, it's going to look very opportunist if you're playing up with the CIA instead of doing the right thing and pointing out who they are and what they're about.
So, that's the way that I look at it.
Anybody, of course, in the field is going to do whatever they want to do.
I think it's a fact, though, that anyone who wants to do honest research should make a pledge not to take any money or undue influence from the To the Stars Academy, which has been proven not to be.
Trustworthy because they have not come forward and been honest in a transparent fashion with the actual story of ATIP or Elizondo or any of it.
Those are the facts.
And with that, Miss Olivia, I turn it over to you.
Okay.
So let's get to the big questions.
All right.
So, Alice in Woo Woo Land, do you think the government slash military complex have no idea how to disclose the whole UFO narrative without getting backlash for keeping it secret for 50 years, hence TTSA?
Well, there's a point here, which is inside the government, there's a group, obviously, rests somewhere inside the aerospace industry, which was able to take, you know, how we've tracked the UFO file and people like Vannevar Bush and Robert Sarbacher, who told in the 80s what was actually happening with that UFO file and how they had tried to redevelop these things.
It's on the record.
That's not an MJ 12 thing.
That's Sarbacher talking in the early 80s, who was one of the top physicists in the 40s and 50s.
So they've been working on that material, they've been redeveloping it, they've been doing these things with it.
At some point, it got outside of the government's hands.
And they helped that process because they thought maybe if they come after us, we'll have to, you know, we'll get subpoenaed and we'll have to give up some of this information.
Maybe we can't rely on national security.
We'll use private companies to do this.
And this is where this kind of unholy alliance between The secrecy on the black budget side and the military contractors came into being.
Lockheed Martin is certainly one of those players, as is Boeing.
Now, that material that they have had those years to develop, and they are preparing in a sense to market some of that and to use it.
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And one of the ways I think that this group has decided that they could make out and be part of that wave is to create a congressional funding corridor for a UFO threat that does not exist.
UFOs do exist, and we have seen them in our skies for a very long time.
There have been viable reports, and what we need, really, if anything, is a strong public effort, public awareness, media attention, and research.
And we need the government to open up the files that they have and share this information.
Barring that, what we don't need is a phony threat scenario.
And this corridor funding set up as a result of that.
That's a complete degradation of the entire process.
And that would set society back even further on the UFO issue.
So, in my opinion, yes, they have a problem with how to get this information out.
And I think, even on the Trump side, when they talk about a war fighting domain about space, it's also the wrong language.
It should be that you have a space force and you are opening up.
The facts about what the government knows in relation to the UFO factor.
And barring that, bringing in war talk on both sides, threat, UFO threat, warfighting domain, it's a backwards, it's a completely kind of caveman approach to the whole thing.
Yes.
Okay, Titan Blood had said it.
How would they present the threat if one did exist?
Well, it's a good question.
I mean, obviously, if they had proof that a threat existed, then, you know, I mean, we would see some evidence of this.
The thing is, look, the UFO thing.
Is an anomaly right at its heart, but they know it a lot better, they've been studying it a lot longer.
Um, we haven't seen ships under attack, you know, we've seen uh aliens of abducting, doing abductions and testing people.
There's a long record of that, and finding out and understanding what that process is all about and what's taking place there and who it is is important, and that's something that is a public effort.
Uh, it should be something that's a shared effort on behalf of the public.
The idea of a threat, you know, you'd have to have real good grounds for saying that, not just, oh, they like to fly over on nuclear facilities or shut off missiles.
I mean, we've seen that.
And obviously, the implication there is open to interpretation.
A group could be doing that in order to make sure a nuclear exchange doesn't occur, for example, if we're stupid enough to have one.
So we don't know.
What is going on?
It is a mystery.
They know a lot more and they're not sharing it.
I think that's a major problem, number one.
Two, what they're willing to share, they're couching in all of this language of threat this and threat that.
And if they sell you a UFO threat, it is selling it.
And rebranding it UAP doesn't make any difference.
You know, military budgets, military budget.
So I think that that's an incredibly, when you really think about it, it's an incredibly dangerous thing to do, especially with a government that we don't trust.
You know, look at all the questions that we have around things like 9 11 or things around the JFK assassination that we never got really good answers on.
You know, where the CIA is a major player in that role, you can't trust a group like that with the UFO file.
It's simple.
Okay.
Okay.
Alien science.
Good question.
UFOs are definitely real.
My question is are they alien in origin or is that a cover for unconventional or experimental aircraft?
There's different levels of UFOs.
There are UFOs that we've created, no question about it, probably using reverse engineered UFO tech, but also X technology.
And those things would look like alien ships to us.
I have no doubt that we have those.
But UFOs have been around for a long time, even through the Bible.
We have references.
So these crafts have been visiting here, whether they're coming from another dimension or another star system.
Other advanced groups have been here.
So.
It's hard to say what is what, what's ours and what's theirs.
And then this whole idea that we can start to judge them from a point of view of war hostilities, I think is absurd because we're assuming they're hostile because we have wars and are hostile.
They may just be probing parts of the galaxy.
So it is part of our job as a society to grow up a little bit and think about the question in larger terms.
We had people who were doing this, like John Mack.
Over time, and I think those types of approaches are better than throwing out like a Bobo, a CIA Bobo operation, and then having this other guy talk about a threat.
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It's completely regressive action.
Enki wants to know, DJ, who do you think is a bigger threat to humanity as a whole, aliens or the US government?
The deep state is very dangerous.
I mean, you know, you have to think about it in terms of other countries too.
I mean, other countries are very dangerous.
You know, I was talking the other day about the Satan missile that the Russians have.
No, I think collectively the world, all these governments have to improve.
You know, China's no leader of human rights.
I mean, They're trying to do a social credit system where if you criticize them, they can throw you in jail.
So they certainly have not earned the leadership of the world either.
So I think that collectively, we as a society need to demand more.
And we need to bring the level of the society up.
There's a wonderful Casey reading where he talks about you can't have that perfect nation, you can't have that perfect society until you.
Start with yourself and you make that ripple.
And so a lot of people are saying the world has to do this, the government has to do this, the government is bad, the deep state is bad.
But you start with you first and your own reflection in the world and your own position in the world.
That always has to be the place to start.
But just in terms of speaking of social policy, we're seeing so many overreaches by the government now.
You know, or they have forced vaccinations in places like New York City, and they're overturning religious exemptions and completely violating the constitutional rights of the people involved.
They're creating things like gender X in order to give robots rights.
I mean, these are real threats to the society as a whole, and we don't know the reasons necessarily why they're moving in this direction.
So we need more transparency to make better decisions, and the culture at large.
Which is really becoming largely a junk culture needs to be improved through the right people coming forward and leading it and with the support of the citizenry.
So it's a very tricky time because the technology is working in both directions.
You know, Olivia and I were watching this person walk around who almost walked into a car that was coming out from a parking spot.
It was my car.
Yeah.
And if you think about this, I mean, that person was in a daze.
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Trance.
Yeah.
And they were on their phone, and I can appreciate all these things that happen on the phone.
I spent some time on my phone too.
But, you know, these are things the discussion needs to get larger about this because when you're checking out from reality like that, all sorts of things can happen on the material plane that you just wouldn't be aware of.
If anything, we need to use the technology to make us more aware, not go into hyperspace or, you know, easily.
I mean, it's too easily controlled when you put someone in a kind of theta state like that, they're walking around.
I don't think that they have full capabilities.
They're not fully conscious.
They're not fully comprehending.
And so the technology is working against us there, but the expanse of information that we're finding through the technology is also helping.
So it's a weird, right now, it's an incredibly mixed bag.
And I think, if anything, we need some kind of.
Ethical protocol to guide us as opposed to a pure marketing one, which is the case now.
Yes, Ms. Lizzie.
Shamaness Anamkara, does DJ see a connection between the CIA and Araman's endgame of the Eighth Sphere?
Well, you know, here's the thing about Araman and the way that we look at Araman it's a dark force and that it is all about scientific materialism.
So there's a lot of power dynamic in it.
It's meant to cut you off from your spirituality.
The Central Intelligence Agency is a group that has accumulated to themselves too much power and they continue to do that.
And so, that imbalance of power and secret power is incredibly dangerous to the growth of any society.
And so, I think that they are a huge danger in their unreformed current state.
And this is what I think Kennedy was getting at at the time.
I think that things like the CIA are pure harmonic constructs in the modern world.
Everyone, you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
We've really been going deep on the TTSA, and it's been overdue, actually.
I've been waiting.
To do this show, I do feel that this is a crucial period for us to get a handle on this, to really make this group be transparent because they're dealing with a very important issue, and to push the general media that's approaching them to forget about these softball answers and forget about the wackiness of Tom DeLong, whatever, get to the bottom line of what's happening there and watch out for this CIA takeover of the UFO file.
I think that that's a disaster in the making.
And if anything, with some of the unusual moves that we're seeing about TTSA in the last couple of weeks, you know, we're starting to get the hint that something's going wrong in there.
And that also is dangerous.
But it's up to us to hold their feet to the fire.
Yes.
You know, it's not up to anybody else, it's up to us.
Yes.
And that's why it's going wrong.
Well, I think what's important, the Bender thing in particular, you see, when they send out people to go after the critics, this is important.
They can't allow the critics.
You heard Harry Reid from what I was reading earlier.
He was saying, There are these people out there who try to belittle Elizondo and me, and anyone else is trying to do it in a scientific way.
That doesn't make sense.
If he were doing it in a scientific way, then I would be very happy about that.
Greenwald would be very happy about that.
But when you have all these weird lies and you have all these CIA people, that's the problem.
So you see the way that it plays out there.
Another thing he had to say is, Elizondo is a man with a great record serving our country, and people should leave him alone.
You think about how absurd that statement is, as I pointed out earlier.
So, you know, we definitely get that.
And in parts of the UFO world, you see things like this: it's Elizondo City, right?
There's no tough questions, everything's a softball question, and it's, can I have this guy at my conference or whatever?
Well, what's interesting is, They did what was fundamentally a TTSA conference in Arizona.
And this thing was so underattended.
So the grassroots is not there for these guys.
They come in all on top.
It's a top heavy operation.
They've got the media on their side.
They've got the History Channel show.
They've got money.
They have all this stuff.
They have the PR to send it out and all the rest of it.
But on the ground, you have the TTSA fanboys and that kind of stuff.
Not a lot of real support, oddly enough.
So.
People coming out and seeing their whole thing, you know, doing their conferences, the people on the ground aren't there.
And this is what I think they do not have that fundamental support, they haven't earned it.
And I think that they think that they can do this flyover version of it and control the narrative, which is what the whole thing is about.
There may be hidden aspects beyond it.
And when I say this, I'm not trying to ascribe any evil intentions to people like DeLong or something like that.
I'm saying that the fundamental effect of having all these CIA people involved and of rolling out your story and lying about Elizondo's role at ATIP and all the rest of it.
Shows that you're not coming from a place of transparency.
You're not coming from a place of honesty with this.
You're looking for either a marketing advantage or to run an op for them or some trade off of all of it.
And, you know, I noticed very closely because I've tracked DeLong.
Remember, I was set up to debate DeLong, motherboard vice.
Let me think about this 2016.
And it turned out that they just interviewed me and interviewed him.
But when I was tracking him, one of the things I noticed was he, when he first came out, everything that he said was script.
And he said, and then I talked to the general, and he looked at me straight in the eye, sharpened, take a breath, and said, we found a life form.
And he would do this over and over again.
And recently, when he was talking, he did an interview with Rolling Stone, and he said, the general looked at me in the eye, sharpened, take a breath, and said, we found the key to the UFO reality.
It had changed.
They didn't find an alien life form now.
They didn't want to talk about the alien part.
They figured, oh, we'll just talk about the UFO part.
So, the narrative had changed somewhere along the line, which tells me that that story is a setup.
I mean, it's not a real story because they changed it.
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So, that gives you some level of the honesty that it's okay to lie.
And that's the problem, I think, with this story.
Yes.
Melissa Magalines.
That's how you pronounce it.
Melissa, it's great to see you out there.
Says, when are you and Dolan going to do a sit down?
Well, isn't that interesting?
Would love that to happen.
Yeah, well, I'll tell you.
We had talked about that and we were in touch.
And I think I made it very clear that I wasn't going to go along with the TTSA part.
And he didn't follow up as a result.
Now, of course, I've talked to him and done interviews with him before.
And in general, I think that, you know, I've enjoyed his work in the past.
It's only the TTSA thing that I have any issue with.
And I think it's more about.
Not standing up to this thing.
And that's a problem.
It is a really big problem.
But no, do I enjoy Richard Dolan's work?
Of course I do.
And I just honestly feel that this, you know, it's kind of not such a great period when you have somebody like him saying the TTSA isn't a government thing, when it's so obvious.
I mean, all the things I laid out tonight, all he has to do is watch this show and change his mind.
But yeah, certainly I'm always up for talking to Richard Dolan.
Okay.
Liberty Thunder.
Has DJ talked to LMH about her support for TTSA, especially for Peter?
Well, I'll tell you the thing about Linda Moulton Howe and TTSA.
Her friend Eric Davis and Hal Put Off are both associated with that.
That's her point of contact, really.
She hasn't gone out there and really promoted along with Elizondo and DeLong and stuff like that.
But there are some good people or informed people that they've swooped up in that whole thing.
And so I think that she gives them the benefit of the doubt.
I also feel that she's working on an autobiography now, so I don't think she has a real kind of focus in the details on this.
So, yeah, but we haven't talked in a couple of months.
I'm going to actually just go out on a limb here.
Psilocybe Atlanta said people like Dolan and Howe have been starved for this for decades.
Oh, no, it's true.
And TTSA is tossing them a bone.
And I think this is really just let's be compassionate about this.
We know, just in case the audience doesn't know.
There is not a lot of money in the UFO field, although people in the media think that other people write books and do research as if there's like tons of money in.
There isn't.
You know, this is not a profitable business.
And so there's temptation to work with the TTSA, I'm sure financially.
But I think there's also the idea that you could be an insider.
It's sort of like if.
Yes.
If, you know, who knows what George Knapp knows that he hasn't told the rest of us?
You know, he could be in on.
I mean, that's very tempting.
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
No, but I think that you can do all that and you can reason all that without the CIA TTSA part.
See what I mean?
In other words, you can have all those same conundrums.
It is very tempting, though, and we have heard reports of them going behind the scenes, talking to people, and saying, you know, you can get along going pretty well with us.
So those conversations are happening.
That's the way that they do business.
In terms of the field itself, the field, it is.
It's a tricky place because there are researchers, because the media starved the field for so long.
This is a weird thing, too, because they did that with help from the CIA, you have to remember, and other government agencies that wanted to keep the truth about these things quiet.
So, by the time they get to the point where they want to come out with things, a lot of these people are anxious to be vindicated, which is, I think, the point that you're trying to get at.
And I 100% agree.
And that's why when people have asked me, you know, like, well, how did Peter Lavenda get mixed up with those guys?
Well, I remember their early conversations when they approached Joseph Farrell.
And they said you can make some real money doing this.
And they didn't wind up working with Farrell because he was anti Hillary.
That's really what it comes down to, we deduced.
And they thought Hillary was going to be president and run this thing.
So they got Lavenda instead of Farrell.
Look, in any structure, you want to be, if there's a corporation out there spending money and promoting things, you want to be able to get those projects out.
Absolutely.
The problem with the TTSA is a little bit different.
Which is that it is openly run by the Central Intelligence Agency.
Those are all career CIA people.
One, two, they've misled the public over and over again.
It's on record.
They've even misled the public about who Elizonda was.
That was all a story.
So you can't start lining yourself up with people who don't tell the truth, one, and who are associated with murky, clandestine operators who haven't been known to be very good for public honesty.
So either you're in the business, you're about public honesty, or you get out.
I mean, that's just a very kind of simple way to do it.
There's lots of other businesses you can be in where the truth isn't that important.
Just look at Wall Street.
But yes, it is the field itself is not very kind to some of the really great researchers at times.
And so, yeah, I think the temptation to climb on board.
I remember in talking with some of these researchers, I can put it to you this way, which is they have a great desire to be right.
And as they get older, that desire.
You know, they know that they've been blocked out of the reality and they like the idea of moving the culture forward.
The problem is, you can't move the culture forward at any price.
And these guys, their idea of moving the culture forward is to create a threat narrative.
That's the way, hey, meet the alien idea.
It's a big threat and to scare millennials and older people.
That's not a good way to do it.
And it is, in fact, an incredibly dangerous and deceptive approach.
So, therefore, my feeling is that would be completely worthless.
That kind of disclosure would be actually a counterbalance.
You'd be better off without it.
Individual experience is probably far more important when we get to this.
So that's the way I would size that up.
We will take a couple more questions.
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Miss Olivia.
Okay, so I'm dying to ask this question.
Igor St. George's Butler, it seems a eugenics program might try to hide their activities behind a false alien hybrid threat.
Wow, that's pretty good.
That's pretty good.
Eugenics is one of my top issues that I'm concerned with.
Well, I'll tell you, a lot of these people on the TTSA board.
Are like some of them molecular biologists.
They all have medical things going on and they study biological weapons and things like that.
That's another thing that spooks me about that board, which is why do so many of them have these medical intelligence military backgrounds?
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So I think that that is pretty major, actually.
And the whole hybrid idea, that's a pretty major thing to introduce, also.
You know, we've touched on the hybrid aspect with people like Dr. David Jacobs, who really Has the four or five decades on the subject.
And when you talk to him, you become absolutely convinced that not only is it possible, but it is happening.
And so it's something I think that we need to get some great facts on and not be superstitious about, but to really take some of those deep researchers who plunged into it seriously.
So, yeah, excellent question.
Jason Ingram, does DJ think a shareholder lawsuit versus TTSA would be a good idea?
We can get depositions with Elizondo and others.
And get them on the record under penalty of perjury?
Well, I think that they should be accountable.
And so this is a very interesting question.
You know, I think that if congressional people have been on the record saying we don't like the way this is set up, this stock offering, and then we see a lot of kind of, let's say, strange activity from TTSA saying we're not a UFO research group.
You know, I don't have enough data to say what they're doing internally with the stock offering.
All I can say is that someone in Congress found it sketchy enough that they wanted to talk about it, and that everyone was shocked when they came out with their first annual financial report and said they were $40 million in debt.
I mean, it begs the question where'd the money go and into what?
So I think anything that brings more transparency from that group is good.
I don't know if I can recommend a stock action because I haven't had stockholders get in touch with me and tell me.
That they've witnessed any unusual stock activity.
However, this is, I can put on the record.
If you put out a company as a stock offering, you say, we're researching UFOs, and you're under SEC laws when you do that, that's what your offering is.
If you then turn around and say, we don't do that research, someone who's invested in your company can claim that's a breach of contract and you can get sued.
So, if anything, I think that they need to clarify what the hell they're talking about.
Because, of course, they just set up something that they put out where they're like, hey, you know, Jim Semivan, the CIA VP of operations, and Tom DeLong and Lavender are all doing a book event coming up, you know, and that book is Secret Machines, which is all about UFOs.
Whereas on October 23rd, you said, we're not a UFO research group.
So there's a lot of weird dancing going on with that company.
And I think that they should come clean.
One, one of the most offensive things I've ever seen in my life.
Was the final episode of the unidentified series because what they did was they lied bald faced, just flat out lied that there was a case there that they claimed in Italy where they were trying to promote this threat narrative and they said that this UFO had caused all these fires in this town.
I have articles from those fires.
They found an arsonist who committed the arson.
It was not a UFO and it was an absurd thing to bring up just because they wanted to razzle dazzle with the threat thing.
They also brought up an absurd thing where they were like, This UFO brought a helicopter down.
And they used the cheesiest thing in the world, which was there was some dot on a screen and the thing on the bottom of the helicopter was bent.
I mean, it was just creating a phony threat narrative.
And so these warning signs have been out there.
And when you have a lally gagging UFO field that just wants to get on a TV show or whatever, it's a terrible setup.
You don't get any good research that way.
We're about journalism on this program, and you can agree with the things we bring up or not.
But it's a journalistic environment, and that's what's necessary, in my opinion.
You know, dark journalism goes that there's three fundamentals, and that's what I started with.
There's the official story, there's the counter story, which is often called the conspiracy theory, but it's brought forward by researchers and professors and authors who don't believe in the official story, and they bring forward a lot of important facts.
And the media likes to call that conspiracy theory, by the way.
But right underneath that is junk conspiracy.
And junk conspiracy, we see an awful lot of.
When we're looking in the field, and the junk conspiracy is often the thing that drives people back to the official story because it gets so far out.
And in many cases, the junk conspiracy is actually funded by the people who put out the official story to get everyone to forget about the secondary conspiracy writers.
So you have to look at things that way.
That's dark journalism.
And whenever I've looked at any major story, those three elements are always present.
So I think we need a much better kind of radar.
And dealing with this stuff.
And when I see people in the UFO field who've come up tonight, and I don't think anything bad about them personally, I'm talking professionally, when they say that TTSA is okay with me, or if they say these internet people should leave TTSA alone, I think that people like Knapp and Dolan have put down what made them good in the first place, which is that great honesty and that great putting themselves on the line and getting in the face of the story.
And maybe they need somebody.
To hear from somebody like me or Greenwald to remind them of why they got into this in the first place.
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That happens.
It does happen.
And if anything, you know, it's up to anyone who's doing this to pursue their own elements.
But I have said, I've put on the record that I'm not going to help anyone in the endeavor of supporting the To the Stars Academy.
And I'm not going to work with them, even if they wrote me a check for a million bucks, I'm not going to work with the TTSA.
Because it's a CIA run operation, and that is the kind of thing that will turn and rend you using spiritual language.
It's not the kind of thing you want to put any trust in.
And when you see other people who are in the field and they are closing in or defending them or whatever it happens to be, or they're even, in some cases, they'll say things about me like, you'll be proven wrong.
I mean, it's crazy.
It's like, hey, free.
Three or four months ago, no, maybe longer.
Six months ago, we were friends.
What happened to you?
You know, it's that weird TTSA clawing thing.
And these are the dynamics.
You have to remember something about intelligence work.
I've studied it a lot.
They're great at division.
And they're also great at disappearing if things don't go well, too, by the way.
So watch out for that.
But yes, I would say that the people in the field need to stop embracing the To the Stars Academy and start asking the right questions and getting the good answers.
And if they can't get those good answers, they should get.
They should go look somewhere else for answers on this and just let that entertainment consortium do as they will.
Yes, Miss Olivia, the last question of time.
Okay, these are linked.
D.E. Siccone, but what are they really setting us up for?
Transhumanism slash AI.
And Jim Roy, the heretic, is UFO tech disinfo from CIA about 5G space fence final total control?
Is this all a final stage of Von Braun's warning to Carol Rosen of fake ET invasion?
Yeah, well, I take that very seriously.
I think Carol Rosen's story is important.
And I do feel that there was a plan out there which was gamed out, which was that at some point they'll use an alien threat invasion.
They have developed the technology to the point where they can do that.
So we have to keep that in mind.
It's very viable for us to consider that because we've seen them, if we go through the records, we've seen things like Operation Northwoods, et cetera.
For people to kind of blithely say, oh, you know, like that's Blue Beam and, you know, Bluebeam was some guy who dreamed it up or whatever.
You know, the idea of Bluebeam now is a meme, it's an idea.
So, where it originally came from isn't even really that important.
It's what does it mean to somebody?
You know, it's like when you say false flag, what does it mean?
We understand what false flag is.
So, we understand what Bluebeam is.
Bluebeam is a false alien invasion to create a martial law scenario.
Do they have a plan like that on the books?
In my opinion, 100%.
You better believe it.
So, I think it is very important to size up what's happening in terms of the space fence.
We probably can't bring that aspect in here at the end because there's a lot to explain.
We just did some shows in August with Alana Freeland, who's done the most comprehensive work on the space funds.
But I think that idea of a control grid, and if you get that through space, that is absolutely something they've been working on for a long time.
Look, if you want transparency, forget about what they say about these junk tic tac cases and things like that.
Think about the fact that the moon, that we haven't visited the moon since 1972.
Then ask yourself why.
Then ask yourself, why are they so gung ho to do it by 2024?
How do they excuse 50 years of non activity going to the moon and suddenly they're gung ho to go?
That's where the real answers are to these questions.
And using the most base part of our intellect, which is fear, to say there's a UFO threat out there, regresses the culture, is not a step forward.
And that kind of disclosure isn't worth anything to anyone.
So, you know, I'd much rather learn about the UFO factor from somebody's abduction experience than that.
You know, you'd probably learn a great deal more from those cases.
So, I think it's important.
And I do feel like we have to resist the misinformation push by the Central Intelligence Agency and the big money push from the corporations.
The next thing that they're after, remember, DeLong said, is they're going to do a fishing expedition.
Because if the UFO thing doesn't work out, they're going to try to go into paranormal and people look at psychic stuff.
They're going to have this CIA guy saying, We did a program.
You know, it's clear the CIA out of this stuff.
You get into the UFO factory, you get into the independent research field, get the CIA out, get the intelligence aspects out that's all manipulative.
You'll always be stuck with some marketing operations, but clear that intel stuff out.
Because if you don't, you'll always be stuck going round and round, and they'll never give you the right answers.
They haven't.
They've been, you know, most of these researchers have pointed out that the government has blocked those things.
Well, who's in charge of blocking that stuff?
Elements inside the military, elements inside the Central Intelligence Agency.
Did it happen for a while that things were blocked for our own good?
You know, 70 years worth?
I mean, come on.
So there's a line from Winston Churchill when all this stuff was happening and Hitler was gathering his forces, and everyone was like, well, If you talk about it too much, you know, you'll whip up that whole war thing.
And Winston Churchill said, Tell the people, you know, tell them about it.
And he was right.
So it's a similar kind of situation.
You know, it's something that does have to be put on the record.
And the people who are getting the UFO issue out there are not the right people because they're not interested in the truth, at least on the TTSA side.
And, you know, it'd be nice if they could surprise us all.
Fantastic.
Miss Olivia, you know, you know a lot about.
UFOs a tremendous amount, and how do you think we should look at the UFO factor for the 21st century?
That's a really hard question because so many UFO experts have a different take on all of it, you know, whether it's interdimensional or whether it's actually a physical phenomenon.
I, in a way, I did not expect you to ask me that question.
Oh, that's right.
Passion is, I'm very.
When I think about the future, I think about eugenics, I think about depopulation, and I see depopulation starting now.
From our conversation we had with Katherine Austin Fitz when I asked her about it, she said she sees it now.
And I started to look around.
And I, so whatever they're up to, I am concerned about humanity.
I am a human and I'm concerned about my kind.
And I want us to thrive.
And I don't see, I'm not anti human in any way.
I don't have a bad, I don't think we're bad.
I think we have a bad rap.
And I'm, Just keep going down that particular rabbit hole of trying to understand what it is to be human and what it's going to take for us to thrive on this planet.
So that's me.
Wow, fantastic.
I absolutely agree with you.
You know, I think a lot of things are left in the drawing room floor, too, which is like, what about the whole gray scenario, which overshadowed the UFO field for 70 years?
And now these groups don't even talk about the grays?
It's like, what about all that research?
Who were the grays?
What were they doing here?
You know, We've heard all these stories relating to the Pleiadian groups.
We're kind of losing focus around some weird threat thing.
Can the military prove it?
It's not.
That's not how you get at the UFO aspect, in my opinion.
We have to remember, too, as we've learned in this show, the UFO file contains the UFO aspect.
And it contains also inside of it this X tech, which is something that from Tesla to Keeley to these other motivations around advanced technology.
Applies also to hidden energy sources.
So there's a whole mystery there that's much larger than just, my God, war of the worlds, the aliens are coming to shoot us up.
We need the global, what is this title again?
Director of Global Security and Special Program.
My Global Security Director, Elizondo, thank God you're there to protect us globally because you're the Director of Global Security.
I mean, you know, this is some kind of inflated sense of something.
What are they setting up with that?
It's really quite mysterious.
And he can't even get his story straight about where he was or what he was doing because when you're a counterintelligence agency, that's what you do.
So I'm not surprised.
But I do feel that, you know, we've learned a lot tonight and we have to absorb these facts and really think about it.
I see the tide turning against this group and their operation.
And it seems to me that it was an unfortunate exercise and that there probably were people.
In there, like DeLong, who got manipulated by promises from intelligence agencies.
But at a certain point, you know, you get out of the game, you change the game, you, you, once you realize you've been manipulated.
So, in my opinion, it's his responsibility.
He's the CEO of the company.
He should own up to what the company has been up to.
I think Elizondo better get his story straight.
He's been lying for two years.
And I think that the rest of the press in dealing with the TTSA should hit them.
Straight questions, straight answers, not what Knapp did with Reed, which is like, do you think that maybe he was involved in some weird way with some wacky UFO stuff?
And what's great is that when you look at that exchange, and I want you to really watch it because the video's up there, Reed doesn't even give him endorsement for that.
He's kind of like, well, that's kind of like part of what he did, yes.
It's not a ringing endorsement at all.
It's fascinating to me.
I was like, this is, you know, that's how you're going to get out of this.
And that's after tearing down all those people who've questioned him online, you know, because.
Who would question this incredible person for me?
I mean, it's insane, right?
So, no, we have a complete problem with the way they've presented themselves and what the reality is.
And that's the nature of the issue.
The researchers around this, regardless of if TTSA has a radio or TV program that's popular, they need to come out and demand those answers.
And in my opinion, they should take a pledge not to work to the Stars Academy until those things are sorted out because they can't guarantee their audience honesty.
On my part, I'll take that pledge.
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And I hope that others join me in doing that.
Also, if those guys, Tom DeLong or Luis Elizondo, want to come on this program and tell their side of the story, they're completely welcome to a gentleman's debate in regard to it.
It's a very pleasant environment to talk with me, but my only warning is I will ask you real questions.
So, what is it?
Hashtag DJTTSA debate.
I'm going for it.
Everyone, thank you so much.
It's been great to be here.
And Olivia, wow, fantastic.
I have to thank some super chatters.
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We really appreciate it.
Fantastic.
All your support really helps the show, and it's great to have you out there.
We really enjoyed having everyone with us, and it's great to see those familiar.
Faces there with us tonight.
We will be back next week.
This is, in fact, the last X series episode for 2019, but we'll be back with some live interview shows and we'll come back on January 1st, 2020, with X series 73.
And we'll be working very, we're working on some very important things that are going to help really bring some of these answers out.
And some of it is deeply related to the UFO.
Field.
So thank you very much for being with us.
We've enjoyed being with you the past couple of nights and we'll see you next Friday.
Are we going next Friday?
Yeah, we'll be here.
We won't do X Series 73.
I was trying to add it up there because there have been a couple of double episodes.
So the only question left, Miss Olivia, is what's for dinner?
The thing we can make the fastest is this was supposed to be a short show.
There are no short shows.
I definitely see some sriracha in the future.
Thank you, everyone.
Thank you, Gigi.
Did fantastic tonight.
Really appreciated having you out there.
Yeah, and everybody, if you did not watch last night's episode, it was a spectacular episode.
Many people said it was our best.
It was highly charged, a real smorgasbord.
It was incredible.
Esoteric369, Najat, Shelby.
Wow.
Brenda Fisher, fantastic to see you.
Lots of great people out there tonight.
Enki, nice to see you.
So great to have everyone out tonight.
I hope you all had a fantastic Halloween.
I know there's some more Halloween parties happening this weekend.
Liberty Thunder, terrific to see you out there.
And remember, this is daylight saving time, bizarrely enough, this weekend.
That's going to make it even darker at night.
So that's okay by me.
And we will see you all next Friday.
Okay.
Thanks, everybody.
Thanks, Lee.
I see you, Lee, out there.
Michael Wise.
Terrific.
Now we're talking.
We will see you next week.
And of course, we end broadcasts, but we never end.