Dr. Joseph Farrell and Dark Journalist dissect the "X" factor, linking Nazi V2 technology, Operation Paperclip figures like Walter Dornberger, and Henry Kissinger's Rockefeller-funded projects to a concealed secret space network. They argue JFK's assassination stemmed from his attempt to expose Axis connections in the UFO files, including alleged anti-gravity devices and steganographic codes hidden in ISBNs and historical documents. Ultimately, the discussion posits that a deep state financial system and extraterritorial forces continue to manipulate geopolitics through covert operations and advanced aerospace technology inherited from post-war Germany. [Automatically generated summary]
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The Aztec Crash Key00:09:13
And we are live.
This is Dark Journalist.
Thank you, everyone, for being here.
It's already a great crowd.
And tonight's going to be a very special broadcast because we're going to bring together so much info that we've been putting out there in relation to X, which is really the theme of this broadcast, and how X is relating very much to the kind of exotic technology trail that is out there.
And we're looking through these stealth archives to find it.
And we're finding so many things are hidden in plain sight.
The story of the Nixon time capsule opens this up and gets us a little bit further because that is also a stealth archive, which is out there.
And we're looking into ways and means of interpreting exactly what Nixon left behind, but also what are these other exes in history, including the Eisenhower ex that we talked about with his time capsule.
So, those of you who've been watching the shows understand a little bit of the setup, but I'm still going to insert a little bit of a five minute.
Hook here, which gives us the kind of lay of the land.
And tonight we're going to have a very special guest with us, Dr. Joseph Farrell, who will be on in about a half hour with us as soon as the setup is done.
And then he and I are both going to go deep into exactly how the secret space program aspects relate to the early Nazi advanced craft aspects, relates to the national security state, deep state, hiding that technology over time, and where we are now.
And how these stealth archives are going to help us see that.
Now, the more I get into this, I have to be honest, the deeper it gets and the more connections, I'd say the clearer the picture becomes.
And I've been on the stealth archive trail for a while, actually.
So this is nothing new for me.
But the thing is, there's something about bringing all these factors together now, I'd say over the course of the last two months, where all this information and all this research is really coming to a head.
And of course, the Breakthrough from Robert Merritt last month when he came on the show and really gave us that exclusive interview telling us about Nixon talking to him in his three meetings in the basement of the White House.
I think our history making and there's more to come there.
Now, we do have the final interview with Robert Merritt coming up next week.
So, this broadcast will serve as kind of a prelude to all those things.
But what we're going to do tonight is go deep into the X Factor.
And what we've discovered in the research is that X has been showing up over and over again as this mainstay of the exotic technology and the UFO file as they travel through time, through the Eisenhower administration and the post war era, through the JFK assassination period, and through JFK's pressuring the CIA.
That big battle and that big dance is all based around this X theme.
And then when we go further, we found out that LBJ.
Left behind an X letter, which is actually still at the LBJ Library until 2023.
We went deeply into Nixon's attempts to bring disclosure in the early 70s that were cut off by Watergate.
And of course, Merritt's story is part of that.
And Robert Emmenager, who put together the documentary UFOs Past, Present, and Future, was supported by the Nixon administration to get that out.
And originally, they were going to give him this incredible footage from Holloman Air Force Base.
And they pulled it back and they started to dial back as soon as Watergate happened and Nixon was in political trouble.
They have to call off the op.
It is fascinating to consider what would have happened if Watergate hadn't gone down there.
We might have been looking at a totally different paradigm.
But various disclosure attempts rose to the surface, including Jimmy Carter in the 70s, who opened up FOIA requests, really dealing openly with the UFO topic in a way that other presidents hadn't.
And then we see a kind of a clampdown in the 80s era where Reagan is talking Star Wars and SDI, and it's all about weaponization of space.
But we see that the information and the intel he's getting is all about the threat aspect of these large ships roaming around out there.
And of course, we have the classic example of Mikhail Gorbachev in his press conference recently, last summer, there with Charlie Rose and George Shultz, saying that Reagan took him aside at Reykjavik and said, Will you help us in the event of an alien invasion?
And being totally serious about it.
So once we break on through all that, we get into the Clintons and the Lawrence Rockefeller initiatives there.
But I've uncovered things that are going to Sort of blow a lot of this out of the water.
And I think that these X broadcasts are going to be remembered as foundational information of a new history of how these things have come about.
And hopefully, actually, by the time we're done doing the X broadcasts, we're going to have a whole different picture and new evidence as well.
So I'm going to start with X, which is our theme.
And, you know, this is interesting because, of course, it's the dark journalist logo.
But X is around in popular culture as that unknown factor.
And you see it in the X files.
The actual X Files, as I pointed out a couple of shows ago, came from the work of Frank Scully.
And Frank Scully was an author in the early 50s who dealt a lot with this subject and brought in this topic of X and crash saucers and alien bodies and things.
He was way ahead of his time.
And of course, they used the name Scully for the X Files.
But Scully's particular interest was in this UFO crash at Aztec, which is going to be very important to tonight's broadcast because something.
Really, earth shattering has come out of that research.
And I think we're going to find out that the Aztec crash and all of the stories around it, which were so heavily debunked and that they were looking for them to be debunked, actually holds a major key and helps us to get where we need to go.
The idea of this steganography is this idea of hiding a message in plain sight.
Now, you know, we very often can see this.
And Renaissance paintings and things of that nature.
But when you get into intelligence groups using it, they need to use things that we see every day because they're not going to be able to brief everybody in a room and take some 10,000 agents and say, here's your update for today.
They need those people to be able to find those things through normal everyday things.
So they're stealth, they're out there, and it's information that's coming forward.
So if they're looking at the weather, if they're looking at a news report, the intelligence agencies have the ability to move these levers and get information out there so that they're giving messages.
To these different kinds of CIA sleeper cells who are watching different things unfold around various issues.
Now, the top national security secret of the United States is the UFO file.
There's no question about it.
And as we go deeper into this, we'll see why there's been so much macabre secrecy around it.
And it's been uncomfortable and downright schizophrenic at times, and certainly highly dangerous.
But I think the fact that it is there waiting in plain sight allows us to kind of.
Pier behind it.
So, I'm going to give an example from a movie of this steganography code.
So, here's this movie called The Gauntlet, which is Clint Eastwood and Sandra Locke.
It's really kind of an amazing movie.
And, you know, he has a witness he has to bring to City Hall, and they're firing from all sides with all the different agencies and police to make sure he doesn't get there.
And I often tell Olivia, this is what's going to happen with the time capsule.
And we get it, we're going to bring it to the National Archives, and they're going to stop us along the way.
But one of the interesting things about this is there's something in there where, as they're going through this process of bringing this witness in, a horse race shows up, and one of the horses is called Mally No Show.
And Mally no show represents Mally, the witness, being a no show.
So they're betting that she's not going to make it, basically.
And so the odds dramatically are down, you know, something like 100 to 1 against it.
And as he jumps hoops and things and gets closer and avoids arrest and all these other things, he actually increases the odds of that horse as it goes along.
So, but this kind of thing, in this case, it's the mafia and the police working together to send messages back and forth.
So, hidden in plain sight, Is this steganography?
It's just lying there, and only a certain amount of people can see it.
But for you and I, it's just ordinary information.
We'd be picking it up and saying, oh, there's a horse race with incredible odds against the horse winning.
Dornberger's Deep Involvement00:05:16
But for them, this is very crucial.
Now, we have to look at X this way.
And I've been researching this and thinking to myself, well, X, as we go through the different levels that I've pointed out here, we need to now find out who is sort of.
Carrying the banner and what agencies and what representatives in those agencies.
One of the key people that I've found who's up to this is somebody who was actually really interesting, he was a former Nazi and his name is General Dornberger.
And Dornberger was perhaps one of the most notorious Nazis using slave labor and stringing up the people who were making the rockets for him, who would be disobeying as an example to the other inmates.
Dornberger was obsessed with space and has a very interesting history on his own, but he's very much a deep state player.
Now, this is a picture of Dornberger here.
And if we can read its quote, it says, Do you realize what we accomplished today?
Today, the spaceship was born.
That is his quote to Wernher von Braun as soon as they launched the V2 rocket.
So, the spaceship was born is exactly where he was at.
What he was into.
He was completely obsessed with it and he was incredible, kind of the father of the rocket program.
And actually, von Braun was his 20 year old assistant.
So we get an idea of just how advanced Dornberger was.
One thing I want to show you here is this is a dinner list at the White House in 1969.
And right up there by the star, if you can see that, is Walter Dornberger and his wife attending the Nixon dinner at the White House.
So Dornberger.
I had a very cordial relationship with the authority figures at the time.
But he comes across as this incredibly risky character.
First of all, during the Nuremberg trials, they want him for hanging.
And the British officials have him, but they don't turn him over for some reason.
And then all the notes and the feedback that we're getting about him in relation to what he's doing is they're saying, well, actually, he's trying to turn the other Nazis against the US.
You're making conspiracies and stuff.
And this is after the Allies have won.
I mean, this guy's really a problem.
He's a true believer.
So they take two years to re educate him, to re school him.
And there he is in the midst of Bell Helicopter, one of the most advanced projects in Bell Aerospace, which is in Fort Worth, Texas.
And that's where they place him.
And he is in charge of all these advanced projects there because he was brilliant and all, but his politics were so hardcore on the Nazi side that they needed to kind of take a long time with him to restrain him.
And actually, there were calls for him when he was in Britain.
They have something called the London Cage where they wanted to.
Have a hanging there with him.
So he was really, I mean, this is a guy who really barely escaped death.
And many of his colleagues, of course, were tried and found guilty and executed during the Nuremberg trials for crimes against humanity.
Well, Dornberger just happened to miss it because we needed him.
The question is who got him out?
And I'm going to get into that.
It's some familiar faces, unfortunately.
But one thing about Dornberger I want to point out here, which I think is fascinating, is, you know, one of the things we've done really deep research on is the JFK assassination.
And Dornberger shows up.
Over and over again around that incident.
Most specifically, he shows up because Dornberger has a protege at Bell Helicopter, and the protege's name is Michael Payne.
And Michael Payne, who recently passed away, I found out actually, he and his wife Ruth, who says she's a Quaker, they house the Oswalds when they come back from Russia.
Now, this is particularly interesting because.
Well, Payne has national security clearances and he is sort of beyond the beyond in terms of the projects that he's working on.
So the idea that he's going to have this communist sympathizer come and stay with him is pretty ironic and stretches the imagination.
It's there on the record that he was there.
Oswald and his wife and their children were there with the Paynes.
And in fact, when Oswald is suspected of being the assassin of President Kennedy, they go to the Payne household and they look for his rifle and they question his wife.
And Ruth Payne comes out and says, Oh, I thought he was a nice person.
I don't know what happened, but maybe you should look at all this evidence that I've gathered.
So the fix was in there, and the Paynes were definitely part of it, probably a low level part of it, but a crucial piece of that puzzle.
But when we go to the idea that Payne was housing the Oswalds and that his boss was Dornberger, we understand immediately how Dornberger plays this major role in the assassination.
You know, he's a key player.
Linking Back to Dornberger00:15:04
So, when we find out by looking into these different programs that I'm going to show you, that Dornberger is deeply involved with that X symbol that comes through of the exotic technology being redeveloped.
And that's the UFO technology that they found, reconstituted, and probably combined with the extraterritorial weaponry that we see in the Nazi, you know, just before the Reich goes down.
So, all these things are crucial.
And when we go into Dornberger's trail, now, you know, we already have this idea that he's a deep player, but his history gets very interesting.
So the X series of aircraft, which are space planes, they're the most advanced planes and, in fact, clocked the fastest speed of any jets that we've ever had.
Now, Dornberger was in charge of that project, started it, and named them.
So, all those X incredible space planes that we had, which hold all the records for speed, like the X 15 and the X 20, those are all Dornberger projects.
Now, this, the North American X 15 that he designed, is this.
Let's take a look at this.
This is Dornberger's handiwork coming straight out of the Nazi rocket program and helping us with these space planes.
And in fact, that plane still holds the record.
So, the X-Plane series of experimental aircraft is what they were called.
Well, space planes are going to come very vogue here in the next couple of years, and they're already planning on this.
But in the 60s, they had them.
Now, interestingly enough, Corso, when he's referring to, and that's Colonel Philip Corso from the day after Roswell, which is a very interesting book, although incomplete.
But Corso is the military guy who came forward and said, hey, we redesigned all these UFOs and then got it out into corporate and developed things like bulletproof vests and.
Computer chips and all this stuff from it.
So, you know, his career is one of the best to track because he leaves such a footprint in everything that he's doing.
And I think that he's probably one of the best sources that has ever come forward.
And, you know, he certainly left a manuscript of the original book, which is a little bit better than The Day After Roswell, which I have around here somewhere.
But in any case, what happens is the X series goes into overdrive.
Now we're up to like, X 56 and all the rest.
And I'm putting together a presentation so everyone will have the kind of the lowdown on the X planes.
But the X planes and the space planes with that designation all go back to Dornberger.
That's the crucial point.
Dornberger is close with Payne.
The Paynes house the Oswalds.
So the whole presence of Dornberger being there in the picture around the exotic technology and then with the JFK assassination is undeniable.
And what it tells us again, when we get into the UFO file, we get into the JFK assassination.
When we get into the UFO file now, we get into the Nixon part in the Nixon disclosure.
When we get to that UFO file, we're seeing all these clashes now with leftover projects by people like Podesta and Clinton versus Trump and the space force that he's talking about.
These are all related.
And just how related and how obvious they are and how X is the crucial binding factor for all of them is going to be apparent to you by the time this broadcast is over.
So, I'm definitely glad that you're here with us for this particular broadcast because it's going to be particularly important.
Okay, I've got a bunch of special mission aircraft here, but there's one key piece that I'm looking for.
This one, interestingly enough, Henry Kissinger, who is somebody who in UFO circles doesn't come up very much, there are a few quotes that come up that are supposedly related to him.
One of them was UFOs are the hottest baked potato ever.
And the interesting thing about Kissinger is his kind of mastery of secrecy.
So, interestingly enough, some of the work that was uncovered by William Steinman in the book, and this is a rare book, but a fantastic one, called UFO Crash at Aztec.
Something that Grant Cameron points out about this is that when Steinman was on the case interviewing these various witnesses, his phone was tapped by the CIA and they would come to him and actually say to him, Hey, this was your conversation, you know, and be very open about the fact that they were tracking it.
So he was quite annoyed by that and he was a ferocious researcher, came out with this incredible book and then kind of disappeared off the map and went into other things.
But this book, The UFO Crash at Aztec, opens up a lot of doors and it's a tough one to find, but I highly recommend it.
One of the things in here, Is that when he was trying to look into someone named Dr. Eric Wang?
Eric Wang was an interesting character.
He was deep in the let's redevelop the UFOs into planes that we can use.
And Wang was stationed at Wright Air Force Base and Kirtland Air Force Base, where we know all the UFO stories and all the UFO activity comes out of this milieu.
But Wang's widow, Wang died in 1960, being kind of the crucial piece of this.
And as Steinman is hunting down the story, he runs across Wang's widow.
Now, Wang's widow is very, you know, like, what are you asking me here?
What's going on?
But learns to trust him in conversation and opens up to him and says, well, it's no big secret.
You know, he was redesigning the UFOs.
That was what he was part of the special project that was doing that.
And if you want to ask anybody about it, ask Henry Kissinger because Henry Kissinger was his boss.
Now, this is absolutely stunning because Kissinger being His boss in redesigning UFOs and re engineering them for our aircraft and kind of creating that secret space program.
That is a crucial piece when we look at Merritt's story about being a courier for this message from Nixon to Kissinger.
And a lot of people have said to me, well, you know, what's the big deal about Kissinger?
Like, why did he want to get this message to Kissinger?
He had the time capsule.
What's the story?
It apparently now, if we understand this picture a little bit better, as part of Rockefeller's special studies project, and this is crucial, um, I have it here, but Rockefeller's special studies project is something that took place between 1956 and 1958, had some of the best minds on the country tackling problems that were going to be important to America right up to the millennium.
Uh, things like you know.
The economy, race relations, and all these various subjects that dealt with this.
One of the most important things that came out of this was a book called Prospect for America.
And this is the Rockefeller Panel Reports The Problem and Opportunities Confronting American Democracy in Foreign Policy, in Military Preparedness, in Education, Social and Economic Affairs.
And they had the best people and they did, you know, they called in the best minds and they created.
These series of articles in the book.
And interestingly enough, going to the stealth archive aspect that we've been turning up over and over again, like with the Lyndon B. Johnson letter, which can't be released till 2023.
That's an X letter, Nixon's time capsule.
We have all these various archives that are out there.
And now here's another one.
So the Rockefeller Brothers Fund archives.
They've all been released, dealing with how they got to the Prospect for America book and all the rest of it.
However, so they have Harvard professor Henry Kissinger was chosen to serve as the director of the project, and he coordinated the solicitation, criticism of papers from a host of specialists, et cetera.
But the first four special studies project files are kept from the public.
That's something that the Rockefeller Brothers Fund has and never released to the public.
And they had some of the best people working on it.
The rest of the stuff came out.
Now, if Kissinger, as head of the special studies project, On the UFO ring engineering for Kirtland Air Force Base, who Eric Wang was working for.
Now we understand that stealth archive and why those four major documents never got released to the public.
They were dealing with the UFO factor.
This is crucial.
Now, Kissinger becomes a major player around this issue, and it is Rockefeller who has a deep hand on the exotic technology, and they're trying to figure out how we can redevelop this, et cetera, et cetera.
Now, when we go just a little bit further into Linking back to Dornberger's history, and we're going to go over this whole thing so you're not going to miss it.
Dornberger again is the Nazi general who was sentenced at Nuremberg, but instead we grabbed him for the rocket program.
He was von Braun's boss, and eventually his apprentice, Michael Payne, is the person who housed Lee Harvey Oswald in Texas with his wife, Ruth Payne.
So we have a pretty dynamic picture developing right there.
It is a list of connections, but Dornberger was saved from the gallows.
By John J. McCloy.
John J. McCloy was somebody who was a major wheeler dealer, but he was Rockefeller's man in Germany.
And he's a big piece of Rockefeller's banking activities.
And he actually got a spot on the Warren Commission so that they could unanimously agree that Oswald was guilty.
So, McCloy rescuing Dornberger and the Rockefellers being behind McCloy taking this chance, then we start to see the Special Studies Project being a Rockefeller project.
Redesigning the UFO aspect came under the umbrella of the Rockefeller special project, and who was in charge of it?
Henry Kissinger.
Years later, when we go deep beneath the White House in the basement meeting Merritt and Nixon, it makes a heck of a lot more sense now because of Bill Steinman's work that the crash at Aztec book contains this back and forth between Wang and Steinman, and the widow saying, Well, look, Henry Kissinger was his boss.
As a matter of fact, He came over here and hung out in our living room night after night during the time that Wang was doing this.
So she's very familiar with him and her testimony.
No wonder the CIA was bugging his phone at that point because that's incredible testimony, earth shaking.
But the UFO world missed it.
And the book, I believe, came out around 1990.
And they just didn't have it on that.
A lot of people understand Kissinger's role from the Bilderberg group and the various activities that were going on there and that whole political milieu.
That he's in, that he's a major secrecy player.
And then he's someone who's actually been called up for war crimes tribunals for the various activities that he participated in for Vietnam and Central America, et cetera.
Now, without passing judgment on him for those various activities as Secretary of State, as a diplomat, and all the rest of it, just looking at him as a figure who is shepherding this X factor through, Dornberger is.
The person who was carrying the X flag because he had been working on these advanced projects in Germany.
But by the time it gets to our program, what we're trying to figure out is how we can compete with what's going on out there in our own skies.
That's the UFO factor.
So, Corso, in his book, I'll get back around this now.
Philip Corso, in The Day After Roswell, states that the reason they had Dornberger making these planes and they were breaking these speed records.
Was because they needed something to chase the UFOs, and that's what they were engaged in.
As a matter of fact, he states in the book that the record being held by the X 15 for having all of this incredible speed, the actual performance happened, not in some dry run test, but in an actual chase of a UFO, which makes a lot of sense about these planes because they were a very unusual series.
And in fact, by 1968, they held the record.
Later, we get this redevelopment, but certainly they were putting a lot into the space.
Planes at the time without a whole heck of a lot of explanation.
Dornberger's work became the foundation for the space shuttle.
So that sort of replaced the Apollo program and got us into a whole shuttle program.
Now, what I feel is significant about all this is we're tracking again this theme because if he's using X as his designation for all these planes and they are space planes, they are integrating.
This technology through.
Kissinger's role in shepherding the UFO file, in getting the reports and saying, let's redesign this, let's redevelop this.
The Kissinger aspect has always been ignored because nobody really had enough information on it.
Now, this combination of factors is coming forward in the X report here that we can see clearly the link to Kissinger's role working for the Rockefellers, redesigning, redeveloping this UFO crash technology, making it into something useful.
Being part of this new America that they're putting together, and the archives being stealth.
They're completely, there's nothing you can get your hands on about them because they were never released.
And the Rockefeller Fund is a private fund.
There's, you know, it just so happens that it's like trying to get information from a corporation, it's their right to keep whatever notes that they took or whatever files they produced.
So we're in the situation where the X becomes more and more important.
The White Falcon Order00:03:46
Now, let's get into connections again.
Keeping this whole steganography in mind, that is something hidden in plain sight, which sends a message only to people who understand what it is.
To the rest of us, it's just as normal as a weather report or a TV listing or whatever.
So I did show this last week.
This is the X envelope at the LBJ library, and that can't be opened till 2023.
They did try to say it was in relation to an attempt by.
Nixon to kind of negotiate his own peace before he became president, and they let out one file in relation to that.
But there's about 14 pages here that we won't get our hands on for some time.
Um, that's another shot of this envelope.
I think that this is a significant document and one of the stealth archives that we're really going to need to take a look at.
The linking of this, though, I find particularly fascinating because of Eisenhower's Project X time capsule, which is a hundred year time capsule put in in 1953.
Again, X.
And here we go.
Now, one of the interesting things about Dornberger is this.
He was a member of the Order of the White Falcon.
Now, those of you who are familiar with the aviary in the UFO, if everyone got a shot of that, those who are familiar with the aviary in UFO literature will find this particularly interesting because the aviary has all these bird definitions for the different players, and the falcon.
Actually, it was supposed to be CIA director Richard Helms, who was shepherding all these CIA projects and all the secrecy around it.
By the way, this is a great warning to us to never let any CIA actors con us on the UFO front, which is things like TTSA.
And, you know, there's two, the Stars Academy push with Tom DeLong.
It's completely flooded with CIA people, and it's always the same thing.
We're getting the counterintelligence story being done on us the way they would do it on a foreign country.
So, when it comes to the CIA, Around the UFO file or the TTSA, just say no, just say no way.
But the Order of the White Falcon is interesting because Dornberger, being a part of it, the very top of the aviary is the Falcon.
And he was supposed to be Helms, giving all this direction and information.
But no one really knows where the aviary idea came from.
This Order of the White Falcon, and the fact, again, that Dornberger, this Nazi general who was so advanced on these projects and working on the most advanced redevelopment of the UFO stuff for us, If you follow his ex history, then it starts to make a lot more sense why we would use that designation.
Now, this letter that I showed last week is going to make a little more sense now.
This is a letter from Richard Nixon to Donald Trump, 1987.
And it reads basically saying that Pat, his wife, is an expert, and she predicts that whenever you decide to run.
For office, you'll be a winner and giving him the thumbs up.
But I thought the Dear Donald part was interesting because it showed a familiarity that I didn't realize existed between them.
However, the more I got into it, I realized, oh, there are incredibly deep links between these guys.
First of all, let's take a look at this picture.
Everybody can see.
Let me see here.
That is Nixon and Trump, Trump's first wife.
Nixon's Letter to Trump00:02:08
And in the middle is John Connolly.
And hang on just a second.
Joseph, are you there?
Joseph.
Interesting.
We can hear you.
That's what's interesting about that.
Let's see.
Let's take a quick look here.
How about now?
I'd say unplug your headphones.
Unplug, take them out.
Because we hear you fine.
So we're going to take, we're going to add Joseph Farrell here.
A little bit of an audio issue, just take our time.
New hat, indeed.
Yes, I noticed that too.
And how are we doing, Joseph?
Interesting.
You might have, there might be a, Thing that says mute microphone or mute headphone on there.
Give that a shot.
Use the chat.
You know what, we can do actually.
Olivia, I want you to do me a favor.
Why don't you email?
Well, actually, you know what I'll do?
Actually, I'll just pop it here.
I will send him this.
Of course, we'll echo all over the place, but let's just do this as a test.
Okay.
Hang in there with us, everybody.
In the meantime, you can get a lot of questions going with Olivia.
And Olivia, how are questions doing over there while we're doing this?
Von Braun and Zero Point Energy00:08:55
We have some great questions tonight.
Okay.
And what's the theme generally of some type of music?
It's all over the place.
There we go.
Hey, bingo, you're on.
Hey, listen, all good things take a little extra effort.
This is a good thing.
Joseph, we are live and we have a large audience watching us right now, and they're very excited to have you here, and so am I.
Well, thanks for having me back.
Yeah, it's great to see you.
One of the things that I've been doing here, I'm just going to jump right in, is going into our friend Walter Dornberger.
Okay.
What a lovely fellow.
It gives us quite an idea.
His quote here, which is interesting, is Do you realize what we accomplished today?
Today the spaceship was born, which is something he said to Von Braun after they launched the V2.
And I've given kind of a cursory overview of Dornberger, but can you tell us who Dornberger was?
Dornberger was the German general that was in charge of the artillery section of what was called the Herdes Waffenamt, which translates to kind of Army Ordnance Bureau or Army Weapons Bureau.
And he was in the artillery section responsible during the interwar period for developing rocket artillery.
And the reason that the Germans emphasized that was under the provisions of the Versailles Treaty, they were, of course, prohibited from developing large caliber artillery, such as they had had in World War I.
But rocket artillery wasn't even mentioned.
So the Germans naturally saw this as a way of circumventing the treaty and developing long range strategic rocket bombardment capabilities.
So that's kind of how Dornberger got.
Situated with all of this.
And he was actually the, therefore, the de facto head of that whole V2, V1 rocket program.
Although the V1 fell also under the purview of the Luftwaffe, the V2 was strictly a German army project.
So Dornberger was the actual head of it.
Fascinating.
Dornberger, apparently, he's kind of like a mentor figure for one of the.
Yeah.
Through his history on that.
And von Braun is kind of his 20 year old assistant trying to.
Right.
Dornberger was the talent spotter there.
He was the one that essentially assembled that team.
He spotted Werner von Braun at a very early age.
If I remember correctly, you might have to check my facts on this, but if I remember correctly, Dornberger also worked out some sort of arrangement whereby the German army paid.
For part of his education expenses when he was studying engineering and so on.
So that relationship really went very, very far back.
Wow.
It's amazing.
I read also that at a certain point, someone had kind of snitched on von Braun and said something to the effect, oh, you know, von Braun was caught saying, you know, I'd rather be using this to go to space than bomb civilians or something along that line.
And Himmler, you know, got this word and was going to get rid of him.
And Dornberger made a huge Protest that he couldn't do anything without.
Yes, yeah, that is true.
The problem there is that many of those rocket scientists, while they were working for the German army, were members of the SS.
So, Wernher von Braun was actually, if I recall correctly, he was actually an SS major.
That was his rank within the SS.
So, Himmler was also in his chain of command.
And, of course, by 1942, I think it was 1942, the entire German rocket program.
Had been turned over to the SS, and that's when it comes under the umbrella of Hans Kamler and that whole SS organization.
So, yeah, Himmler would have heard about that, and that episode did happen, and Dornberger did make an intervention to prevent anything from happening to von Braun.
Fascinating.
And of course, you mentioned Kamler there.
I can't help but think instantly of the bell, which is his project.
Can you give us just a quick idea here about what the bell was and why he was in charge of it?
Well, the bell was, in my opinion, and this is based primarily off of the Polish researcher Igor Witkowski, whose research really kind of broke the story of the bell.
Nick Cook picked up on it in his book, The Hunt for Zero Point.
I attempted to do something different with the story and take the details that Igor Witkowski had provided in his book, Truth About the Thunder Weapon, and reverse engineer what I thought was the physics thinking behind it.
Essentially, what I think the bell was was a kind of a proof of concept experiment where the Germans were attempting to create a technology based ultimately, in my opinion, on the ability to manipulate the zero point energy or space time continuum, whatever you wish to call it, for three purposes.
The first purpose would be to give Germany an independent energy supply.
Germany is not.
Rich in any sort of indigenous energy resources.
The second thing would be to give it an advanced propulsion capability.
And then the third thing, of course, Nazis being Nazis, is they wanted to weaponize this stuff.
The Bell was essentially their proof of concept technology for all three areas, in my opinion.
It was bell shaped, which is why they called it the Bell.
But Kamler, the SS General Kamler, Hans Kamler, Was a doctor of engineering.
He was the head by 1942 of the SS Building and Works Department, which basically meant that Hans Kammler was the man in direct charge of all of that vast slave labor pool that were in the concentration camps.
He commanded a labor pool of about 14 million people.
He was also the man that was responsible for.
A very, very secret division of the SS that basically was kind of the Nazi version of DARPA.
And in fact, I think DARPA is more or less modeled on the Kammlerstab, which is the Kammler staff.
This was tasked with brainstorming the technology trees to second, third, and fourth generation weapons.
And basically, this put him in charge by the end of the war of all of Nazi Germany's secret research.
Projects from the V 2 rockets, which ultimately he gained control of, to this Bell technology, you know, Schauberger flying saucers, jet aircraft, hypersonic ramjet aircraft, you name it, he had his fingers in it.
He's the key player.
He's the key player, absolutely.
Now, it's important to note that the Kamler Stop was located in the engineering division of the old Skoda.
Munitions works in Pilsen, Czechoslovakia, the old Austro Hungarian equivalent of Krupp, if you will.
And I find it very interesting that Pilsen, which is about 30 miles west of Prague, was one of the places that General Patton and the U.S. Third Army made a beeline to in the final days of World War II.
And I've always thought that Patton's field operatives, as they're entering Pilsen and discovering this outfit, Here, Patton would have been the one American commander, field commander, that was in a position to have pretty extensive knowledge of this vast secret weapons complex at the end of the war, probably more than any other American general, as a matter of fact.
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Wow.
Amazing.
The Pinamunde, that facility, can you describe what it is?
Peinemunde was developed by the German army.
It was a top secret rocket development testing facility, launch facility.
They had gantries there.
It was a remote place on the North German Baltic coast.
It would be over around the modern city of Stettin or Stetsen.
I can't pronounce it in Polish, but the German pronunciation is Stettin.
It would be around that area.
It was a little peninsula that kind of stuck out into the Baltic Sea.
It was super secret.
It took all sorts of security clearance to get into that.
But at one time, it employed thousands of people there developing various types of rockets, not just the V 2.
You had the television guided missiles being developed there.
You had the air to surface missiles, surface to air missiles, heat seeking missiles you name it, they were doing it.
Wow, incredible.
So that's really the heart of their program.
Right.
When we go into someone like Dornberger coming out of that, and then he's somebody who's literally lined up to be hanged at Nuremberg.
That's correct.
So the fact that we get him out of that is pretty extraordinary.
And I was reading some notes where the people who were kind of handling his capture and stuff said, but this guy's still a dedicated Nazi.
As a matter of fact, he's trying to get the other scientists on board with a little rebellion right here.
He's not somebody we can take on.
But eventually, we do take him on because von Braun has him and we bring him over here in 47, and he ends up at Bell Helicopter.
Yep, he does.
As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me correctly, Dorenberger was one of those Nazis.
Von Braun, as you mentioned, made a personal intervention to persuade the United States that he was a very valuable.
Person, a member of their team, development team, which he was.
I mean, there's no doubt that he was a very capable administrator.
Dornberger, if I remember correctly, is one of the 70,000 Nazis that John J. McCloy pardons in order to facilitate this transfer when McCloy was the American High Commissioner for Germany.
That's a lot of Nazis.
That's a lot of Nazis.
More than I want to deal with.
70,000.
This is not like 10 guys, 70,000.
Yeah, it should be pointed out that.
Obviously, not all these 70,000 Nazis come over here.
In fact, many of them go on to become members of the first post war West German government.
Many occupy cabinet positions or very influential positions in the government of Chancellor Adenauer.
But yeah, a lot of these people, Dorenberger being the primary example, come over here.
Arthur Rudolph is another one.
Hubert Strughold, who did the space medicine, is another one of these people.
Walter Lippisch, the guy that's developing supersonic ramjet aircraft.
Some of the others would be people like Kurt Davis, a very, very significant figure.
All of these people are, you know, part of this big post war Operation Paperclip.
Bring all of their guys over and help us out.
Fascinating.
And it is, I think, noteworthy that both in Dornberger.
And his trajectory, and in McCloy's, they both become key players around the JFK assassination.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, there's our interesting tie there.
Interestingly enough, this week Michael Payne passed away.
And the standard bio on Michael Payne was that he was this genius engineer at Bell Helicopter, and that his wife was a Quaker and took in Lee Harvey Oswald.
And they were so nice, but they didn't realize that they had this evil kingpin living under their roof.
And then, you know, basically pointed out his connections to Forbes and pointed out his connections to Harvard.
And that was about it.
But there's a lot more to Payne and Dornberger.
Well, if we go into this crisscross here of Dornberger with Payne and being his kind of mentor at Bill Helicopter, and them housing Oswald.
And then McCloy being deep with the Rockefeller interests and winding up on the Warren Commission to help them give the unanimous verdict of, hey, it was a lone gunman.
That's quite a crisscross from that post war era, isn't it?
It's quite a crisscross.
It's the aspect, as far as I'm concerned, as you know, Daniel, it's the aspect of the JFK assassination that nobody wants to discuss this Nazi angle.
May Brussels, you know, the very famous talk show hostess decades ago.
Went there, but she was one of the few who did.
And it was largely thanks to her that this whole Dornberger pain connection even came out in the first place.
It was largely thanks to her and her investigations.
And, you know, this is back before the days of the internet.
So here's this, you know, middle aged Jewish lady making, taking clippings of newspaper articles and, you know, putting together a clipping file and tracking and connecting all these dots, you know.
Yeah, she was just relentless in her dot connecting, you know, without computers and internet.
And so, you know, it's largely to her that we even know about all of this.
I think between Peter Dale Scott and Mae Brussel, we have a brain trust there that came out of the 70s.
Right.
And really, you know, for decades, inspired so much of the stuff that we hear about now.
And nobody knows where the root information came from.
But really, if you go to those two people, you get a lot of that root information.
Right.
Right.
One of the things I wanted to point out is that this is your book.
It is LBJ and the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, a coalescence of interests, which is a crucial subtitle that I think sums up.
The book is much better than the actual title does.
This is a fantastic book, one of my favorites that deals with the subject at all.
But of course, you touch there on the Nazi aspect.
Yes.
You aren't shying away from that.
Tell me about just what you'd say some of the basic connections of the post war Nazi influence on the JFK assassination.
Well, in addition to Dornberger, I've always thought it highly suspicious and indeed symbolic in a certain sense.
And this is kind of what piqued my interest in it years and years ago because, you know, I was homesick from school when the assassination happened.
I kind of watched it happen all weekend.
So, you know, it made a huge impact on me as a boy.
I haven't trusted anything the federal government has said since because of it.
But, yeah.
The two things that caught my attention were if you watch, if you go back and watch the actual minute by minute coverage that Friday afternoon, the first reports of the murder weapon were that this was a 7.65 Mauser.
And, you know, you can listen to Walter Cronkite going on and on about the Mauser, a German sniper rifle, blah, blah, blah.
And then, of course, the narrative changes about midway through the afternoon.
Oh, it was a 7.65 Mauser.
Pardon me, a 6.5 Italian Manlicker Carcanto, and he even mispronounces it.
Right.
And I thought, gee, we have two weapons of two Axis powers here that were supposedly involved in the assassination.
And I'm thinking somebody's trying to send us a message.
Yes.
And it turns out what really got me going was when I found out that the Mauser that the German army used during World War II.
Was a much larger caliber weapon.
The 7.65 was a special version of it that the Mauser company made for the Argentine army.
So Germans?
Germans, Argentina.
That's the post war way.
Yeah, exactly.
So, you know, you've got those little symbolic indicators.
But for me, the real thing is that you get involved with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans, and there's just this.
I don't know what Garrison had to have been thinking.
He's probably thinking this is straight out of a Hollywood B movie plot because you've got homosexual old Catholic priests or something or other with David Ferry.
You've got Dr. Mary Sherman who dies in a particle accelerator.
Right.
Yeah, of all things.
Yeah, of all things.
And she's doing secret cancer research for Dr. Alton Ochsner, who's from my home state of South Dakota.
I grew up with.
All the doctor's offices having these pictures of Dr. Ochsner, who's running his clinic there in New Orleans.
One of his famous clients is Juan Perón.
He's going off every few months down to South America to do something nobody knows exactly what.
And Perón, we should point out, is a major protector of those post war Nazis.
Absolutely, he is.
He's got the Horton brothers down there and Kurt Tonk and all of these German jet engine and jet aircraft experts designing these delta wing triangular shaped Argentinian jet fighters for him.
It's just.
So, you know, you put all this together, and that little New Orleans nest there looks to me like it's got some sort of connection to this post war outfit of Nazi gangsters down there in South America.
So, you know, I kind of approached it from that angle.
And then, in addition to all of this, as you've pointed out earlier, that you have John J. McCloy present as one of the commissioners for the Warren Commission.
He is the high commissioner, American high commissioner, as I mentioned, for Germany after the war.
He's the one personally rubber stamping the pardons for a lot of these people, including Dornberger.
And then when we go to Dallas, we've got even a bigger Nazi connection.
And this is one that Peter Dale Scott uncovered.
And when I read it, I was just like, because he mentions in his book that the Murkisons and the Hunts apparently had their own private.
Intelligence service.
And he did a little more digging, and it turned out that their so called private intelligence service was some sort of direct liaison with General Reinhard Galen and the West German Bundesnachrichtendienst.
And of course, General Galen was the Nazi general in charge of the whole military intelligence operation on the Eastern Front.
And that whole outfit.
Was simply rolled over after the war into the CIA.
And when West Germany became a sovereign nation, that outfit was, you know, rolled out of the CIA and became the nucleus of modern day West German intelligence.
So, in other words, here are these Texas oil men with some sort of direct pipeline to the German CIA.
Right.
And the CIA absorbing Galen, Nazi or not, right in there.
And he's a big foundation of the early CIA.
Well, yeah, all of you know, this is a very important point that you make because the early CIA, when you speak of the actual human on the ground intelligence inside the Soviet bloc in the post war period, in the 40s, all the way up, I would say, even into the 50s, that's Galen's organization.
It's not American spies, it's German spies.
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
We're relying on.
And it's so bad.
Christopher Simpson in his book Blowback points this out.
It was so bad.
Their influence inside the post war CIA was so extensive that Galen's analyses of Soviet aims, goals, and capabilities were oftentimes simply retyped on CIA stationery without any further comment and just passed right along to President Truman.
So, in other words, you basically have a Nazi general briefing.
The president of the United States, who has to formulate policy based on analysis that a bunch of Nazis are passing on.
Yeah, it really is.
I mean, you know, it's like a bad Hollywood B movie.
When we are dealing with that early CIA, let's look at that for a minute because you mentioned Peter Dale Scott there.
And in my conversations with Scott, he really brought me into the OPC.
And Frank Weisner and that whole group and the things that they were doing, which was totally different than what the precedent was for how they were set up for the CIA.
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They were an active covert group that were doing sabotage and overthrowing elections and all the rest of it.
Just get us into the OPC a little bit here.
The OPC is the Office of Policy Coordination.
And at the time, in the immediate post war period, Frank Weisner was the head of it.
Of course, it was.
Part of the State Department apparatus.
It eventually, at Wisner and the OPC were kind of eventually rolled into the CIA.
They liaised with it quite a bit.
But it was the OPC that directly ran Radio Free Europe, Radio America, Radio Martin, the anti Castro Cuban radio.
It was that group that continued the Nazi contacts with radical Islam.
They helped build one of the first mosques in Germany after the war.
So, in other words, this outfit is very, very important.
It's very, very crucial.
And as you say, it's the locus for a lot of these post war covert operations.
Absolutely.
Wow, fascinating.
One of the things that Scott pointed out in relation to the OPC was at a certain point, Truman turns to the regular CIA and says, get those guys under control.
They're blowing up trains and stuff.
And that instead of the CIA getting the upper hand in the OPC, the OPC becomes the wing, the covert wing that becomes the most powerful wing inside of the CIA.
Yes, that's right.
And it's to be noted there's a good book out here, if you're not familiar with it, called A Mosque in Munich that goes into the OPC and its relationship to post war covert operations.
And it points out the very, very heavy presence within the OPC of a lot of these Galen Nazis.
They're actually the boots on the ground that are going out there and overthrowing elections and blowing up trains and so on and so forth.
Wow, incredible.
That sounds like a great book.
And of course, you've pointed out over and over again how the CIA and aspects of it were interested, just like the Nazis were interested in the Middle Eastern radical groups, and that a lot of those relationships that went forward stemmed from this early Nazi CIA combination.
Yes, absolutely.
You could number things like the Muslim Brotherhood in those connections.
There are even suggestions, although I'm not satisfied that a very strong case has been made yet, but there are even connections to Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia.
There were certainly very, very heavy connections inside of Iraq.
There were even heavier connections inside of Iran.
A lot of these, there were connections to Yasser Arafat, there were connections to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
You can even find pictures of Adolf Hitler having tea with the Grand Mufti.
Yeah, it's very, very pervasive.
And it should be pointed out, those contacts in turn that the Nazis cultivated went all the way back to World War I with Baron Oppenheim, who was really the first one that decided that we can weaponize Islam in the service of the Central Powers.
And that's where all of this gets started.
Fascinating.
And to think of all the things that came out of that, culminating all the way up through Ayatollah Khomeini and 9 11 and all the rest of it, that whole wave started some 50.
60 years ago.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Incredible.
And the Nazis are in the thick of it.
There's everywhere you turn.
This is something I brought out in the 9 11 book Hidden Finance, Rogue Networks, and Secret Sorcery.
Yes.
There are Nazi bankers involved, you know, directly involved with the bin Laden family.
There are SS involvements with terrorist summits in the 1970s in Spain.
Otto Skorzeny is hosting all of these terrorists to come to Barcelona and plot world domination with him.
Wow.
Yeah.
So, you know, it's interesting that we tend to dismiss what the Russians have been telling us.
But a few years ago, I think it was like three or four years ago, Sergei Glazev, one of President Putin's principal advisors, after the coup in Kiev, You know, installing basically a bunch of leftover Ukrainian Nazis.
Oh, yeah.
No question about that.
No question about that.
It's rather hard to ignore what was going on there.
But Glazier came out with a statement in a very seriously argued paper.
So this statement was not rhetorical hyperbole.
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You have to read it in context.
But he says Our problem isn't the Nazis in Kiev, our problem is the Nazis in Washington.
Wow.
Wow.
Yeah, that's a pretty hefty statement.
Raising the stakes right there.
Raising the stakes, yes.
That's incredible.
You know, when I think about your book, Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations, I get so much of the picture of the stuff that I've been researching recently around things that are hidden in plain sight and how you have to get the history.
If you want to understand things like the exotic technology programs or the UFO file, You have to go into that history or you won't understand anything in relation to it.
But that book is particularly fascinating and I highly recommend it because, of course, it's also the roots of the secret space program.
But let's dive back into this Garrison investigation and the Nazi components.
I think we introduced pretty well there what you were saying with Oswald and what they were doing in relation to having him kind of being coached along.
By the Paines and Dornberger being so close to it being the mentor basically, Michael Payne.
It's a very unusual connection for an average guy like Oswald.
You know, the kind of minimum wage guy pushing books around inside the school book depository.
And we found weird things.
We announced on the show last summer, which is a mind blower.
It's our Antarctica show and it has 175,000 views now.
I mean, it's just off the charts.
But that show.
We revealed for the first time that the person who owned the Texas School Book Depository was Dryhole Bird, and he is the cousin of Admiral Bird in Antarctica.
So here's the levels and layers now getting into this.
But Garrison, walking into this at the time, is looking around and he's hitting against something.
And he can't, for the life, I mean, he can figure out mafia, certainly.
He's in New Orleans.
He can figure out intelligence.
But this thing of the aerospace companies and the UFO file and, you know, Oswald's connection to NASA and the Nazi aspect that's just hanging there.
He is trying to get deeper and deeper into this, but he really is hitting into the deepest part of that investigation and the roots behind the assassination and its relationship to the space program.
Right.
Right.
I don't think Garrison, my impressions of him, and again, the Garrison files are very, very hard to get a hold of.
They're in the National Archives, and trying to pry any of those things loose is, trust me, it's pretty hard.
Yeah, but when they did the Kennedy reboot, they released his files for October 26, which was the Trump release of those files, all of the Garrison files came back whited out.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
Garrison, I think, probably uncovered a lot of this.
But to me, it's very noteworthy that when he takes Clay Shaw to trial, very little of that gets into the trial.
Yeah.
I get the impression that Garrison just really didn't know what he had run into, other than I think he was convinced because of the remarks that he made after the trial, where he's talking about fascism, you know, this is the United States, we don't need to go down this road, so on and so forth.
I think that he's trying to, much like Jack Ruby did earlier, warn people that there are aspects of this that are so deep and so dark that.
For me to talk about them, you wouldn't believe me unless I had some means of showing you the evidence.
I think he deliberately kind of stepped back from that in the trial because there was really no way he could introduce it as material evidence during the trial.
This all comes out afterwards.
And even what does is, again, so bizarre.
Yeah.
It's just a play.
There's an amazing thing that comes up when.
A guy ran Ramparts magazine, which was one of these almost like political, like Rolling Stone style magazines in the 60s, and had some pretty hardcore guest contributors too, if you go into it.
But so there's this thing that, you know, the editor for Ramparts puts out a book eventually.
And he talks about Garrison getting in touch with him different times and how at a certain point he's trying to avoid Garrison because he's, you know, he's starting to know too much.
And he picks up the phone.
He was trying to get away from this call, but he picks up the phone and it's Garrison.
Garrison says, Look, we were wrong about the Texas oil men and their connection to the assassination, at least the way that we were thinking about it.
I understand now that the assassination was limited to the aerospace wing of the military industrial complex.
What do you think he meant there?
I think that at some point, if you read the Torbitt document, which supposedly is this document that was.
Compiled by a South Texas lawyer based on what he knew about the Garrison investigation.
Front and center in that document throughout the entire thing are two things.
Number one is this idea of the world trade centers.
You know, we've got world trade centers all over the world.
That these were, in fact, CIA fronts and that they were largely for the purpose of conducting covert operations, money laundering, drug trafficking, and assassination.
And the second thing that he points out in this book is that.
There is some aspect of NASA, which he calls the Defense Industrial Security Command, which, if you spell out the acronym, it spells DISC.
Right.
Yeah.
That is connected to Fon Brown and all of these Nazis that was involved in the assassination.
But even he doesn't say why or how.
But we do know that Lee Harvey Oswald was, when he was trying to get a job at the Riley Coffee Company, boasting that he was going to get a job at NASA.
Right.
Now, what I suspect, and you're asking me to speculate on this question for the first time publicly.
I've always suspected, let me put it this way I've put the dots out there for people to connect themselves.
So I'll just go ahead and connect them for you.
In the SS Brotherhood of the Bell, I argued that.
We probably got to the moon and, more importantly, got off the moon by means of technology that somehow came from these World War II Nazi projects, Edom est the bell, in some form or fashion.
We had some sort of very primitive anti gravity technology that would have enabled us to get there and, more importantly, get off the moon.
I have also gone on record and said that it's my belief that we struck a deal with these Nazis to get our hands on some of this technology.
And the deal was you provide us the technology and we will give you access to whatever it is we find up there.
And I suspect, here's the dot I haven't connected for people before.
I suspect.
That one of the things that Garrison may have uncovered was something like this quid pro quo, and that Kennedy himself may have stumbled on this.
Right.
Because once he makes the goal, you know, we got to get to the moon before the decade is out, everybody's thinking, how the hell are we going to do that?
So, you know, there's Werner von Braun, there's Kurt Davis, who Incidentally, he was not a rocket scientist, but heavily involved with the Bell.
And oh, gee, look where he ends up.
He ends up at Cape Canaveral as the chief program flight administrator for the Apollo project.
Oh, golly.
And after his retirement, he ends up as part of the board for a West German company called OTROG, which has a private kind of Area 51 like preserve in the Congo.
But just before his retirement, guess what?
He's put in charge of it in NASA.
He's put in charge of NASA's UFO files.
Ah.
Yes.
So, you know, as far as I'm concerned, all the dots are pointing to some sort of secretive deal that was worked out with these Nazis.
Kennedy probably stumbled across it, Garrison probably stumbled across it.
And I think that's what the lawyer that compiled the Torbitt document stumbled across, although he doesn't come right out and say it, but he kind of leads you up to the precipice and says, Look at that.
Right.
And it's interesting that you put that together because Kennedy is doing something very unique.
And it's obvious to me that it results in his assassination.
What he's doing is he's trying to rein in the CIA, but he's trying to get control of that UFO file and bring it.
Yes.
Under the presidential umbrella.
Yes.
Which Eisenhower lost the ability to do.
Although, you know, there are all these interesting whistleblowers who came out years later and said that Eisenhower actually, through Nixon, sent a threat to Area 51 that if you don't give me a briefing on what's going on there, I'm going to take the Eighth Army down and we're going to invade.
So, you know, this is the type of stuff that he's passing along to Kennedy.
And Kennedy understands the CIA threat to democracy, he understands the CIA threat.
To his plans, basically, to open the government up.
But in particular, it seems to me that there's something that's not understood by history there, which is about the UFO file, the Nazi, the post war Nazis in charge of the space program, and the battle between Kennedy and the CIA.
What are we missing?
My suspicion, Daniel, the way you have phrased the question, I think is excellent because my suspicion has always been that there may have been some sort of Nazi influence.
Over those files, those UFO files, because if you look at the Cooper Cantwheel Majestic 12 documents, whether or not you believe that they're genuine or not, I think they at least contain some nuggets of the truth.
And one of the things that they specify over and over again is that after the Roswell crash, what happened?
They bring in a bunch of these Nazis to look at this debris and Tell them whether or not they were doing anything like this.
So, in other words, something, if those documents be taken at their word, something about the technology to the U.S. Air Force looked German.
Right.
And that to me is an indicator that perhaps the CIA and the German Nazi influence within it in those post war years was so pervasive and powerful that they may have had a hand in those UFO files and keeping them under lock and key.
And the Tell tale giveaway for me on that is that when President Kennedy decides that he's going to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces, this would have prompted an immediate motivation,
not only for the CIA to be involved in his assassination, but for those Nazis within the CIA, within Galen's organization, for the pure and simple reason that Kennedy's removing their cover behind which they operate.
And then he goes on and he Orders the CIA to vet the UFO files and turn anything that is not of a national security interest over to the Soviets because he wants this joint moon mission with Nikita Khrushchev.
And of course, again, if you're the CIA and you're the Nazis, and especially if you're the Nazis with a monopoly on this technology, the last thing you want to turn over is anything that might indicate to the Soviets that you've got something like this.
So, you know, there you go.
Wow, that's it.
They are, well, the Nazis, their main enemy had been the Soviet Union.
Right, exactly.
They lost the war to them, 20 million Russians killed, and all the rest of it.
So, much more so when Kennedy is doing this, it's interesting what you're saying about it because to him, he's saying, let's open up, let's be friendly with them.
You might expect, well, some cold warriors would resist that.
But for the Nazis, it's the end.
It actually spells, you know, this is the end of existence because their whole thing has been hiding behind that original kind of envelope of the CIA.
Right.
And the other thing you need to bear in mind here is I have a thesis that I, you know, have propounded throughout the Nazi books that the post war division of spoils was very carefully engineered by the Nazis to create a post war standoff.
That would allow them maneuvering room in the tensions between the United States and the Soviet Union.
Because if you look at the way that the personnel is shunted to those two countries, the United States get the creme de la creme of the top flight scientists for all of these projects.
The Soviets, however, get the middle echelon managers and engineers that can reconstruct the paper trail, they get hundreds of them.
And, you know, when Sergei Korolev and Andrei Sakharov are done with them, the Soviets simply release them and, you know, they go back to the West, they go back to Germany, they go to Brazil, you know, places in Latin America where they know they'll be welcome.
The Moon Mission Clues00:03:42
But what I'm getting at here is that even the post war Cold War standoff is to a certain extent driven by the way the Nazis parcel out the spoils.
And the biggest clue that they're up to no good is they keep the best stuff for themselves.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, it's fascinating.
Let's just, since we're in this portion of looking at the space program and the UFO file and the Nazi influence, and I think the things that you're saying about the moon mission are particularly important because given the technology that we had, It's led a lot of people to the conclusion the moon missions didn't happen.
And you can even get pretty intelligent people thinking that.
I've never thought that myself.
I haven't either.
Yeah.
So it seems obvious to me that we went, but the circumstances under which we went have never been properly explained.
And there's a good reason for that.
Well, yeah.
You have the problem of the Van Allen belts, which is one thing that the Apollo hoaxers raise a lot.
I don't have a big problem with that because radiation exposure is a function of.
The intensity of radiation plus the amount of time that you're exposed to it.
But there are any number of ways of getting around that.
The Van Allen belts don't exist at the poles.
You can take a polar flight to the moon, which would have been difficult back in that day, but not impossible.
But the biggest problem for me is getting off the moon.
Yes.
Not to mention landing that dang thing on the moon.
If you go back and look at the tests that they were doing of the lunar excursion module, trying to land it with rockets in the southwestern American desert, it was a nightmare.
Yes.
So, I've always thought that that is the key right there that there may be an alternative technology in play because that dinky little rocket that's in the LAM, as far as I'm concerned, probably didn't have enough lift to get off the moon.
And the second problem I have with this has always been the way the TV cameras on the moon during the later Apollo missions show the lunar excursion module lifting off.
Because if you look at those things, it just pops and up it goes.
And it's a fairly uniform descent, which is not the signature of a rocket.
A rocket accelerates geometrically per unit of time.
So it starts slow, it gathers speed, and gets faster and faster.
But no, this thing just up it goes.
Now, to me, if I'm going to be blunt here, if Stanley Kubrick were faking the moon landings, this is a guy with enough intelligence.
To figure out if I'm going to fake a rocket lifting off from the moon, it has to look like a rocket.
But it doesn't look like a rocket.
And to me, that's kind of a telltale little clue that maybe that little tent had some sort of prototypical, very primitive anti gravity or electrogravitic or whatever you want to call it technology on it.
No question.
No question.
And I think it's interesting, too, that that is kind of the signature of a UFO.
Which is things tend to just get out of there.
And we've seen pilots report that over and over again.
Right.
Kennedy vs McCarthy Factions00:05:05
That technology that they're bringing then to the moon and striking this deal that if these post war fascist elements will share that technology with us, we will share what we discover.
As you've put this forward, Kennedy himself, when he's looking at the situation of going to the moon and thinking he can do it, the Soviets, he's not realizing that it's not a Cold War.
Problem right off the bat, that it's not just cold warriors, but it's this Nazi aspect.
Now, interestingly enough, Kennedy may have figured out, like you said, the Nazi aspect, because you've pointed out something very interesting.
And I'm trying to think of the book.
It's the Third Wave book, which is one of my favorite books of yours, but it gets a lot into the McCarthy hearings in that whole period of the 1950s.
And if we're to understand what happens in terms of the ruling structure after the 50s, We have to understand all those committee hearings and investigations that went forward to find out there was this element going on in the government and what wasn't.
You went so far as to point out that it could very well have been the Nazis themselves feeding McCarthy and making him into this national figure.
It could be, because again, this is pure supposition on my part.
I have not gone into any sort of detailed research about what I call the committee era, when you've got all of these committees.
You know, McCarthy being the most famous or infamous, depending on your lights.
But you've got all these other committees besides his investigating some aspect of federal government security issues, penetration, infiltration, what have you.
And the way it looks to me, Daniel, is you've got two factions of the deep state squaring off against each other.
You've got the leftover holdover, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, New Deal, ultra progressive radical.
Left people like, you know, some of them that go to prison, Alger Hiss, Owen Lattimore, you know, all these people that McCarthy kept mentioning over and over again that were well known security risks that were nevertheless in the government.
But then you have this other group of fascists in the government.
And if you look at McCarthy's hearings, particularly, I mean, if you look at them objectively without all of the hoopla that has been spun ever since.
He's on to something and he's getting his information from somewhere.
And now it's coming out that a lot of his cases were being mentioned in the Venona transcript.
So I'm wondering was somebody in the U.S. Army Signals Intelligence Division passing along some of this intelligence to him?
Was that the reason that he was set up by Sherman Adams and Eisenhower and people in the Army to shut that link down?
I don't know.
But to me, this whole committee era, you've got investigations of the Mafia.
And of course, they were crucial to the Allied landings in Italy.
You have all of these investigations of the Mafia.
You've got the Kennedys involved with that.
You've got the Kennedys involved with McCarthy's committee.
So it's looking to me, just supposing a working hypothesis without going into any details, which I haven't done yet, but it's looking to me like during this committee era, you've got these two factions squaring off against each other.
And, you know, it's a battle royale, quite literally.
And it never really.
It never resolves.
It never resolves, precisely.
It, you know, it just stops.
And it's fascinating because one of the things that it forces people like J. Edgar Hoover to do is admit that there is a mafia.
Yeah.
It's a step one.
Yeah.
Admit that there's a mafia.
You've, you know, you clearly had somebody in the State Department feeding McCarthy information prior to his.
Wheeling West Virginia speech.
And if you investigate McCarthy, you know, he's like all politicians, as far as I'm concerned.
He's a shameless opportunist.
But if you investigate McCarthy, you go back to Wisconsin and you discover that some of his big financiers were very, very, very right wing.
Let's say sliding into the fascist sort of mentality.
So something's going on here.
Yeah, right.
Well, it's interesting because I think in his kind of history books and the way it's portrayed, and if we ever have seen these documentaries, some even very good about World War II, they don't understand the follow up period at all because they think the Nazis are vanquished.
Eisenhower's European Warnings00:03:17
And that's the big mistake.
Huge mistake.
As we find out in your work, because you have this whole post war Nazi international that has a platform of power, but they no longer are operating.
On the world stage directly from Germany.
Right, right, exactly.
You have several platforms of power for these people, Latin America being the obvious one, but they continue to maintain their contacts in Europe.
I mean, I find it actuarially impossible that the structure of the current European Union should look almost point by point exactly like the Nazi plan for.
A European Union that was drafted in 1942 that would leave Germany in charge of everything.
Oh, golly, who's in charge of the European Union right now?
And why is the rest of Europe upset about it?
So, thank you, Angela.
You've got another base of power in Taiwan for this group of people.
They're very tightly connected with the Kuomintang government of Chiang Kai shek and then his successors after the war.
So, you know, they're everywhere.
They're in nationalist Spain.
And, you know, Otto Skorzeny is hosting terrorist summits with radical Muslim groups.
Wow.
Muammar Gaddafi and.
Yasser Arafat, our attendees at his, I think it was 1967 summit conference in Barcelona.
So, yeah, it's just bizarre.
You've got Nazis on the ground in the overthrow of King Farouk in Egypt.
You know, everybody says that was the CIA.
Well, who are the boots on the ground?
Right.
And that's the important part of the story.
And, you know, I think when you look at all of this whole.
You get to President Eisenhower, and he's certainly aware of some of this.
And when he leaves office, he gives that now famous military industrial complex speech.
I remember as a four year old boy watching that who's this old guy interrupting my cartoons?
Which was basically the way I thought of it then.
But my dad, you know, hush, hush, that's the president.
He's saying something important, you know.
But I've always thought that Eisenhower was not warning just of our military industrial complex because he's in a position to know some of these networked connections to this post war Nazi group.
I think he's also trying to warn us about that.
And I wouldn't be a bit surprised that, you know, when he's talking to President elect Kennedy in the Oval Office or, you know, after the inauguration, that he's privately passing along some of this information to President Kennedy.
Wouldn't surprise me at all.
Well, it's interesting because Eisenhower had his own problems.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Eisenhower's Vice President Warning00:03:25
No question.
Yeah.
And Kennedy, though, is a real public battle with the intelligence agencies.
Yes.
And it makes you wonder because here's somebody who's stepping in and really interrupting the plan.
Yes.
The power structure.
Who does that sound like?
It has a modern equivalent.
It has a modern, yes, you know.
This is one big long arc of history.
It's a bit of deja vu.
We've been here before.
Exactly.
One thing I wanted to mention since you brought up Eisenhower there is I want to talk about his vice president for a minute or two.
Must we?
Did you watch the movie yet?
I did.
I did.
Good for you.
Wasn't that fun?
Wow.
Wow.
This is an incredible movie, and we're going to clue everyone in about what that is, too.
And I think whoever wrote that, we should find out because they had incredible information.
Well, I can tell you who wrote it.
Okay, yeah.
Well, let's mention what the movie is.
Go ahead.
Well, the movie is a one act play that was made into a movie by Robert Altman.
It's not one of his better known films, but it is absolutely the film about the Watergate era to watch.
It's called Secret Honor, and it's based.
And here's where the ultimate basis or premise of the movie comes from.
It's based on a series of columns that was written back during the Watergate era by a Democratic syndicated columnist in the country by the name of Renata Adler.
And she was, to her credit, not in this whole railroad the guy out of office because she kept looking at the crimes that they were trying to impeach him for and thought, really?
That?
Right.
And so she started connecting some dots and basically kind of came to the conclusion that Nixon himself kind of orchestrated his departure from the White House using Watergate as the pretext to do it.
And the movie kind of builds on her columns.
She rocketed right out of the syndicated columnist business, by the way, for writing those columns.
But I've got her book.
Yeah, I don't want to go any further.
If the listeners or the viewers haven't watched that movie, go out and watch it.
Because the whole Nixon story, based on her conclusions, comes tumbling out during the movie.
I don't want to ruin the surprise.
Well, I've done a few things in having you come on, too, which is I've intentionally not told you about certain things.
Yes, I figured.
You knew it was coming.
I did.
But before we do that, can I take a little break here?
Yes, absolutely.
All right, I'll be right there.
And Joseph, while Joseph is taking a break, Olivia, why don't you give us a few questions floated out there?
Okay, well, I'll see if there's a question that you can answer without.
I can answer one or two.
Project X Time Capsule List00:10:35
Yeah.
Okay.
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And so, Olivia, we've got Joseph back.
So, we'll get back into some questions a little bit later.
But let's take a quick look at this.
Let's see what you think of this.
This is a letter from.
Richard Nixon to Donald Trump.
Oh, okay.
In 1987.
Okay.
He's talking about his wife, and he says, You know, as you can imagine, she's an expert on politics, and she predicts that whenever you decide to run for the presidency, you'll be a winner with warm regards.
And he says, Dear Donald.
Well, that's familiar.
That's pretty familiar.
So it made me very curious, as you can imagine.
Uh huh.
And it took, you know, it was interesting because people don't like to talk about Nixon and Trump.
I think Trump intentionally left him off, even though they had a very close relationship, as I've discovered.
Now, you might recognize some of the people in this photo.
Let's see if I could get that right.
Well, Nixon.
Oh, golly.
The middle guy I recognize.
I can't put a name to the face.
The one on the left is Donald Trump.
Exactly.
The one in the middle at the microphone, I can't.
It looks kind of like Senator Moynihan, but.
You know who that is?
That's John Connolly.
Oh, my word.
Oh, my word.
Yeah.
So Connolly is, as we know, was in the car when Kennedy was assassinated and got a bullet, a piece of that magic bullet himself.
And he helped LBJ set up the trip to Texas.
Yes.
Now, Nixon's getting flown around in Trump's private jet.
And he's giving him all these pointers on the name of the game and, you know, if he decides to run for president, et cetera.
So, quite a connection.
With Nixon and Trump, that beforehand, I don't think anybody knew anything about it.
And those are all, you know, it's like a National Archives thing.
This comes from an old episode of the New York Times, oddly enough, and the Houston Chronicle.
So it's not, you know, something that somebody dreamed up with Photoshop.
But along with that, and some of the viewers have seen this, but I'm going to show it anyway.
This is a dinner list.
At the White House.
Donovan, his little Dorn, Dornberger.
Yes.
1969.
Oh, my word.
So, very interestingly, we have this presence of Dornberger.
And what I've been doing is I've been tracking this kind of steganography of the letter X as being an abbreviation, a signal hidden in plain sight for when they move this exotic technology around.
And I've gone through various things about that.
I'm not going to belabor the point too much here.
I just want to point out a couple of things and get your opinion on them.
In this book, The President and the Apprentice, which is all Eisenhower and Nixon, they go into the fact that Eisenhower has a time capsule and it's called Project X.
And it was hidden at his Gettysburg, Pennsylvania farm for 100 years.
Holy cow.
I went a little bit deeper on this and Actually, the way it's described is interesting too, because in that book, they write sometime that spring or summer, the president made a handwritten list for Project X, the time capsule located at his Gettysburg farm.
Item number one was Nixon, which struck me as interesting.
And then there was a second book, which is Evan Thomas, the Council on Foreign Relations Newsweek guy, but he did his own book on Nixon and Eisenhower, and he has the same thing in here.
President Eisenhower wrote out a list for Project X, all in caps, secret recollection of his.
Presidency to be deposited in a time capsule at his Gettysburg farm.
The first item was Nixon.
So there's a double link on that.
Later, along the same line, I found this, which is an envelope that LBJ left.
And it's now in his library.
And it's called the X Envelope.
And it's got something along the lines of 20 pages in there.
And the directions on it, which are these, there.
To be opened.
Take it back a bit.
Oh, yes.
Toward you.
To be opened by the director, Lyndon Baines Johnson Library, not earlier than 50 years from this date, June 26, 1973.
Oh, well, isn't that convenient?
Yeah, right.
I thought the same thing.
And I'll tell you, there's a little addendum in there, and it says, you know, if he decides that 2023 still shouldn't be released, he can wait another 25 years.
So now what's interesting is in 1994, because there was all this Nixon stuff coming out, and somebody thought this was related to.
Kind of like an October surprise scenario that happened during the Johnson administration with Nixon, where Nixon tried to negotiate peace behind his back.
And they said, it's all about Madame Chanot and all the rest of it.
And they let out one of the letters that were inside there and it related to it did mention her and her phone calls, but it also mentioned Spiro Agnew and his calls in New Mexico, which I found interesting.
And then in the course of, These X's showing up everywhere.
I was in touch with Robert Merritt, who was a whistleblower who worked for the Houston plan, came forward and talked to me.
And he's somebody who has given us all this information about Nixon placing a time capsule on the right.
There's a big X with that, too, because there's this whole thing about Planet X related to it.
There we go with X again.
So, you know, it's interesting to me because.
We've been running into X over and over again, and I wanted to know because I know that you've been able to decode these esoteric symbols, these things hidden in plain sight.
Oh, and I should mention that Dornberger is responsible for the entire X fleet of space planes from X1, and now we're all the way up to using these space planes.
And one of the things that came up in relation to this is that Philip Corso mentioned that the Those were put on overdrive, and the reason they have the speed records even now, even though they were done in the 60s of going 4,000 miles an hour, um, is because they were used to chase these UFOs.
So, um, how do you feel about X traveling through time as kind of a blanket to hide the exotic technology moving around?
I think it's very possible.
Uh, the reason why being, of course, that the FBI.
Guy Bannister files, or he was making UFO reports.
Yes.
When he was up in Idaho, I think it was before he goes down to New Orleans.
Well, he's always filing these UFO reports at the bottom of the file.
It says subject matter X. Right.
And, you know, there's your X files.
Yes.
So, yeah, if this is a designation, it would make a lot of sense.
Let me add to that.
I listened to your, a couple of the time capsule.
Interviews that you did with that gentleman.
And on the one hand, I'm not completely sold, but there's something about what he says that I think there's possibly some corroboration.
Because again, in those Cooper Cantwheel Majestic 12 documents, one of them alludes to the fact, well, it doesn't allude, it just comes right out and says that President Nixon turned the whole Majestic 12.
Magic 12 UFO program over to the corporations.
In other words, he simply privatized it.
He got rid of it.
So, if Nixon is doing something similar to Eisenhower and Johnson, that would be the way to do it.
The real question for me is why would presidents do this and do it in such a way that they're going to be long gone by the time these things are supposedly opened?
My guess is that they're trying to disclose something that they've lost control of and that they are perhaps having misgivings about.
Presidential Weekend UFO Visit00:15:49
The other thing about X is it's also the Greek letter he.
So it could be, there could be another association here that we're missing.
I can't think off the top of my head what it might be, but.
Yeah, I think where you're going with this is very possible.
Yes.
Yeah.
And it's interesting because, well, how do you feel about the swastika as X?
Could be.
Could be.
Certainly the heart of the swastika is an X. Right.
Hockenkreuz in German, it's a cross.
So, yeah, it could be.
And it could be an allusion to that.
And X would be a simple way of drawing.
A Balkan cross, a German Balkan cross, and you tilt it on its side and you disguise it as a letter.
So that could be possible too.
Yeah, that's a great point, actually.
I found something relating to X, and this is more of the hiding in plain sight thing that I get obsessed with a little bit.
But this one kind of cracked me up a little bit.
So.
There was someone involved with the Apollo program, and he was one of these Germans that they took over, and his name was Wentz.
And he was somebody who was more in charge of like the launch pad type stuff, so the astronauts knew him really well.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Yes.
And he really, you know, he had this interesting habit that I found out about, which is that he put X before anything.
So, for example, when he wrote Monday, April 14th, he put an X Monday, whatever, and he had this habit of using X, X, X.
And I was going through there trying to figure out what could it be that he was involved in that would, you know, is he part of this Dornberger X that I've been tracking around?
And so I found that his book, The Unbroken Chain, had an ISBN number and at the end was an X, a capital X.
I said, well, I'm sure they use that for a lot of people, but let's see if I can find it somewhere else.
And I think you might appreciate this one.
This is the Roswell report, as you might remember, the Air Force put out.
True, true.
This is their explanation saying, well, these were crash test dummies and nothing happened and everyone imagined it.
But at the end of theirs, there was a call number, it was ISBN.
Again, there's that X. Hanging out.
And now, as I'm going through this, you know, here's the thing that's easy to explain because somebody could say, well, you know, we have an X designation or whatever.
But how about somebody setting up this information and the key players in the UFO file?
And when you get into that system, you have to mark it somehow so that people who are in the know can follow this kind of thing.
So the steganography is striking around this.
One of the things that gets to me when I think of Dornberger.
Starting that X series, and I think about us going into this is what you were saying about Oswald and Oswald and the maniker Carcano versus the Mauser, which was found because the Mauser was found by a sheriff's deputy after the assassination.
And he said, Well, wait a minute, this thing is a Mauser.
And the other guy who was with him said, Oh, yeah, it's a Mauser.
And he owned a sporting goods store.
So he, and they read Mauser on it.
So it was clearly there.
So there's that messaging going on.
And that's one of those hidden in plain sight things, also.
Well, the X designation on paperback ISBN numbers, you'll find that quite a lot.
Yes.
And you'll find it on things that don't have anything to do with this.
But if it is steganography, then yeah, its appearance on something related to UFOs, like a Roswell book, X Files, all of that stuff, that could be a clue.
So again, I think very possibly you're onto something here that could be very significant, especially with those three presidents supposedly leaving these little time capsules for.
People to go on and read.
What intrigues me here is that Dornberger would be involved in naming these hypersonic aircraft X-Craft.
Yes.
That to me tells me that if your supposition, your hypothesis here is true, then there's a Nazi angle to all of this that may be part of what they're trying to convey.
And the reason I think that may be significant: why would presidents want to?
Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon want to talk about Nazis.
Well, I find it very curious that every president, as far as I know, has at some point made a trip down to San Carlos de Bariloche.
Even Carter did so for cancer treatment, supposedly.
Obama did.
Yes.
Tillerson has been down there in the last couple of months.
The only president who did not make a pilgrimage down there.
Was Kennedy.
Interesting.
Why would that be?
I understand why it would be, but just tell everyone why that would be a significant place for them to visit.
They're being told the way things are.
Yes.
Now, I should stress that the Eisenhower visit is during the weekend that most ufology thinks that he was visiting aliens at the Merck. Air Force Base in California, where you had that missing weekend where he's supposedly getting a tooth operated on.
But you go down to Argentina into the Rio Negro province and talk to Argentines, and they'll tell you, no, he was here.
So, you know, take which version you prefer.
But I have a strong suspicion, yeah, he was probably down there flown on one of those X craft.
And, you know, here's the way things are.
And again, you've got that military industrial complex speech, which I think was his warning as.
As clear as he could make it without getting into a lot of hot water, that he's trying to warn not of just ours, but of something else out there.
Right.
You know, he's being coy.
And then you have Eisenhower's very famous interviews in the immediate aftermath of the murder of President Kennedy, where he over and over is being asked by a reporter, What do you think of this?
And Eisenhower's response is telltale.
He says, The American people.
Will not be stampeded.
Why is he saying that?
It's really, yeah, it's so odd.
What does that have to do with anything?
Yeah, well, exactly.
What he's really saying is don't believe the explanations they're going to give you.
Don't be stampeded.
How could an assassin that they had in custody and then who gets killed stampede anybody?
Right.
So, you know, he is definitely speaking about something else there.
And, yeah.
Of course, the peculiar piece is that the man who created the CIA, Harry Truman, in an op ed a month later to the day, says, We need to abolish the CIA the way it sits and do something else with it because we didn't create it to do this.
Right, exactly.
And now there's an interesting story that is told by Truman's aide in his biography saying that that night that it got printed, Dulles showed up in St. Louis at Truman's home and asked him to retract it.
I believe it.
Yeah.
I believe it.
There's so much going on there, particularly with Truman.
As I recall, he began to regret his decision to create the agency shortly after it came into existence.
So, yeah, you know, and here's the sad thing, you know, right now we have a bunch of CIA people running for Congress, you know, for the Democratic Party.
What does that tell you?
Well, you know, they're under assault and they want, Actual legal representation in Congress.
So there's all, you know, like I said before, I think the last time we talked, I'm looking at the Kennedy assassination to 9 11 as one long arc of American history that's all kind of interconnected at a very deep level.
And, you know, pictures of Trump with Connolly and Nixon is kind of the icing on the cake for that hypothesis.
Well, let's use your.
Esoteric vision on this.
All right, here's a couple of things.
One, X on the stock market is US steel.
US steel was in the news recently because Trump said, I'm putting a tariff on it.
And they freaked out.
And he said, Well, maybe not Mexico and Canada, but everywhere else.
And steel, steel, steel.
This is a hardcore piece.
Now, there was an attempt by the Podesta.
People with Clinton to create some kind of a weird sideshow disclosure through Tom DeLong and this whole thing.
And it's been brewing for a while.
And, you know, people should understand that they approached you and you wouldn't work with them.
No, I actually said I would, but I left the ball in their court.
You've got to give me the information that you want me to work with.
And I never heard back from them.
So, no, I indicated a willingness to hear them out.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think in general, the story that they had in 2016.
Was, you know, DeLong was getting all this information.
This is before he showed up in October surrounded by the CIA.
Yeah.
A little bit of a different thing.
Yeah.
Peter Lavenda went out there.
One of the things I want to point out, and nobody really notices this, in 2015, DeLong tried this whole thing.
And he mentioned, you were mentioned twice in the articles when they were asking him questions about whose work he admired.
So he was looking into working with you at that time.
He wound up working with Peter Lavenda on the secret machines and doing all that.
But interestingly enough, that was a different type of thing.
Even When I was doing shows at the time saying, you know, it's a fantasy novel, don't take it seriously.
Why are you getting into this?
And why is people like George Knapp and Coast to Coast pushing DeLong is doing all this?
Because he was talking then, oh, I'm working with these behind the scenes generals and all that.
So it sounded like an interesting thing that was going to happen there, but it needed to be backed up.
And by the time he came out to back it up, he was surrounded by Elizondo, Mr. Counterintelligence, and tons of CIA people.
I mean, I've never seen so many CIA people on one stage when it related to UFO stuff.
Because generally, the UFO community has learned that they don't trust intelligence officials because they're so responsible for UFO cover ups.
It's a pretty simple equation.
But interestingly enough, if we go into that whole sort of milieu of stuff, that operation is a democratic operation.
That's where it really was formed.
As a matter of fact, I think some of their hesitation with you.
Was the fact, one, that you were going to really ask questions, and two, that you weren't going to kiss up to the idea of Hillary Clinton?
Never.
That, I think, is a big piece of the problem because I think this was a Clinton operation.
And the Clintons have shown interest in this before in the 90s.
But again, this dangle of the UFO program, the UFO disclosure with these old videos, and now it's the farcical thing with the Mylar balloon and all the rest of it.
They're very serious.
One of the things that they're doing is going directly to the media and saying, well, forget about the UFO community who's going to ask questions.
We're going to see if the CNN will go along with this and then we'll play it that way.
You know, interestingly enough, Trump, I believe, working off this angle is bringing these things to the fore.
Now he's talking, we're going to do a space force.
He talked about the Space Corps earlier.
He reopened the Space Council during the summer.
Is seeing the kind of the lay of the land on this.
I think we can, at least in terms of this symbolism of things hiding in plain sight, take at least that steel motion as part of that.
Because you could say it's X on the stock market.
That for me, along this line of thinking, using these connections is significant.
It could be.
And the Trump speech, additionally, I thought was highly unusual.
I have a blog, as a matter of fact, coming up.
Tomorrow, about that story.
Okay, good.
Because.
Can we get a preview?
I'm going to give you a preview so you won't even have to read the blog.
But I thought his remarks were very unusual in that he said something to the effect we even have a space core.
You know, another one, like the Air Force, the Army.
Right.
Words to that effect.
And I thought, now, wait a minute here, Donald.
There's two ways to look at this or to parse this language.
And you know me, I love to parse language.
But on the one hand, this is clearly a remark that Trump made off the cuff.
And when he says, we even have a space force, I'm thinking, okay, did he just let something slip?
Right.
And then he tries to correct or amend his remark almost instantly.
He knows that he's let something slip.
So he says, We'll have another one.
And then he realizes, Well, that didn't really help the situation.
So I'm going to explain what I mean by saying, you know, like the Air Force, the Army, and so on.
Now I thought, okay, he's just let something slip, or he's just sent a very deliberate message.
And he's a smooth enough operator.
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That he can pull off a mocking, a supposed off the cuff remark where he supposedly lets something slip, but do it in such a way that he's sending a message for people.
And I think it's probably the latter.
I mean, we're not dealing with a dummy here.
I mean, if he's hanging around with the likes of John Connolly and Richard Nixon, no, he's.
Yeah, right.
We're not dealing with a dummy.
So I think that speech was very significant.
And I think when you put it into the context of Vladimir Putin, you know, doing his speech, we've got all of these wonderful missiles and they can modify their flight path and hit anywhere on Earth.
What on earth?
Yeah.
What was that?
Well, okay.
What I think Trump's message was okay, you've got your missiles.
We've got this.
Right.
We've got the UFO file.
Yeah, we've got the UFO file.
You want to mess with that?
Yeah, you want to mess with that.
So, you know, there's.
There's a geopolitical context, in other words, to his remarks that I think people need to remember and bear in mind when you look at what he's doing, which half the time he can't figure out what he's doing.
Which, again, I think is the way he likes it.
But, yeah, I think those were very, very significant remarks.
And, again, I think that this.
Off the books, ex subject technology, your hypothesis here.
Yes.
I think it's now, if my supposition about his remarks there is true, then this is a thing that has now been injected in a very subtle way that most people are not aware of into the geopolitics that's taking place right now.
Absolutely.
Wow.
I think, absolutely, when you look at Trump, Trump doesn't like to be out of the loop.
He's the most powerful man in the world.
And there are these people dangling this disclosure thing over here.
And somewhere deep in the Department of Defense, they're denying that they even let that video out.
And Elizondo says, at first, oh, it was mine, it's not mine.
No, it was not secret.
You can't get a straight answer out of him.
And unfortunately, nobody who's around for some reason wants to challenge him on anything.
Right.
And I'm sure he did a good job with counterintelligence at Kandahar when he was there working that stuff.
He can do counterintelligence on us.
It's pretty easy.
But one of the things that I see in this is there's a track back from this point.
That is, again, we've got Russia as a major focal point of antagonism for the deep state now.
They have them trying to drag Trump into some kind of battle, although he had expressed that, hey, we can get along with Russia.
And they were like, oh, yeah, well, you're a collusion guy.
We're going to.
We have this whole investigation.
We'll take you down like Nixon.
How do you like that?
So now we find this battle of words.
And then Putin comes out and says, like you said, Hey, I've got these nukes and I'll aim them at Florida.
The conversation's changing a little bit, isn't it?
Yeah, it's changing.
And like I said, I think Trump, since you mentioned the Clinton, Podesta, DeLong operation, I think.
That Trump's remarks were also addressed to that crowd.
I mean, if the man is sending messages, then part of the message is, yeah, I know all about this stuff, guys.
And, you know, to put the icing on the cake here, Trump didn't just magically sever his own private intelligence gathering means when he entered the Oval Office.
And I think this is what people have to remember about the man.
He's got ways of gathering information that.
Are outside of the normal deep state command structure.
Pardon me.
Bless you.
So, yeah.
You too.
That's why I'm smoking like crazy.
The weather's changing here and it's just driving me nuts.
Yes.
Well, we're heading into spring now, but it's going to be pretty wild.
But I think that Trump is injecting some very subtle messages, just like Putin did, into the geopolitical equation here.
And you can add to this that Putin has announced that Russia is going to send a probe to Mars next year.
All of this stuff is going on.
India wants to go to the South Pole of the moon.
China wants to go there.
Everybody's going to the South Pole of the moon all of a sudden.
So something's going on.
And Trump's little business about a space force, we even have a space force.
Did you just say what I thought you said?
Put that into the context of Ronald Reagan's memoirs, where he comes right out and says, Oh, I was briefed, and we have a space lift capacity of 300 personnel.
And space shuttle capacity at that time was far below that.
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So, in other words, that's Reagan either making something up to get Mr. Gorbachev really concerned, or Reagan is letting out some information of something that really exists or existed at that time.
Uh, you know, that's that's a capacity way beyond the public space program.
So, there's your secret space program, right?
Exactly.
And the secret space program character seems to be this Nazi aspect that's the character that it seems to be taking on.
That's the big issue, I think.
You know, I could have called this episode Nazis in Space, we're going right there, and I'm going to get us there even faster because.
There's a Rockefeller aspect in this, and I've learned so much about the Rockefellers from you that I think you're going to appreciate this.
This book, Prospect for America.
Uh huh.
And this is a book from 58, the Rockefeller Panel Reports, funded by the Rockefeller Brothers.
And they brought in some of the best experts to put this together.
And it addressed things like racial equality, military preparedness, foreign policy, education, all the great things that the Rockefellers are known for.
Interestingly enough, I've been tracking this stealth archive idea, just like the letter with Johnson you can get to it, but you can't see it.
Mm hmm.
These special studies groups and the special studies projects for the Rockefellers, four of them were never released to the public, and they were the first four.
The rest of them came out and were released in articles, and the New York Times had them on the homepage, on the front page back then, and they had a big impact.
As a matter of fact, supposedly they made Eisenhower feel more hawkish because they were warning him, oh, the Soviets are doing this, the Soviets are doing that.
But I'm having a pretty major hunch when I'm doing this with the special studies project that.
Those first four meetings related to the UFO file.
So I started to go into this a little bit.
I found out a few interesting things.
One of them is that this book, I pointed out when we started the show, is UFO Crash.
It's an unusual book by Bill Steinman, who Wendell Stevens co wrote it with him.
But Steinman was a guy who did really hardcore research and then got off the scene completely into something else.
So he wasn't one of these people who were just hanging around on the UFO thing and hoping for something.
He really wanted to research it and get out.
So he came into this conversation when he was tracking down who was handling this material and trying to re engineer it.
And he came to a guy named Dr. Eric Wang.
And Wang is somebody who was working out of Kirtland Air Force Base and all these stories about Kirtland and the UFO file.
Now he died in 60, but Steinman tracked down Wang's widow.
And at first, Wang's widow was a little standoffish and all the rest of it.
But Wang's widow eventually said to him, Well, you know, he was working on that stuff.
It was so secret.
And, you know, his boss was Henry Kissinger.
As a matter of fact, Kissinger used to be over the house all the time talking to him because they had the special studies project on Wang, he was in charge of that aspect of the special studies project, and Kissinger was his boss.
Oh, my.
So we have kind of a missing chapter there that people forgot to link those dots or connect them.
And, you know, we've been lucky, people like Steinman and Grant Cameron have a story about.
This, which is Steinman, afterwards, this other researcher calls him up and recounts his conversation with Wang.
And he says, How did you know that?
And he says, Well, the CIA is tapping her phone and they had your whole conversation and they've been helping me along, basically.
So there was a major aspect there that was missed.
But I do feel that this whole thing about Wang is significant.
Now, when you go into the Special Studies Project and the Prospect for America book that came out of it, Kissinger is the head of that Special Studies Project.
By their own writings, they say so.
And the Rockefellers loved him.
He was one of their main people.
Now, moving all this around, when I was doing the research on Dornberger and I thought about something that you had said about McCloy and how he had gotten Dornberger out of heading to the gallows at Nuremberg, well, McCloy was Rockefeller's man.
Yes.
So, can you tell us a little bit about that?
Well, McCloy comes out of the law firm, Wall Street law firm of Sullivan Cromwell, along with Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles.
Both of them, of course, end up in the Eisenhower administration.
That law firm has very, very strong connections with the Rockefeller family.
I mean, it's been tight for quite some time.
And you'd have a number of other connections of McCloy to the Rockefellers because.
Sullivan and Cromwell handled many of the licensing and patent agreements between Standard Oil and IG Farben.
And of course, McCloy was IG Farben's American consul.
Wow.
So, in other words, if there's a pipeline or a conduit of information about some of these technologies that is being fed through private channels to the Rockefellers, my guess is that it's going to come through Dylan and Reed, not Dylan and Reed, Sullivan and Cromwell via.
McCloy and Dulles and people like that's connections with the German side of the equation because there's nothing that's happening in Nazi Germany that IG Farben doesn't know about, and that includes you know secret research and all that stuff.
So, if the Rockefellers are interested in the subject of UFOs, I strongly suspect it is precisely because they have had some sort of private pipeline about all of this Nazi tech.
The other reason I think that we can feel confident in making that assumption is because during World War II, Franklin Roosevelt's intelligence advisor for South America is none other than Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller.
And he is a close advisor to President Eisenhower after the war, and he still has his fingers in that Latin American pie, big time.
So, in other words, I think you have to look at They probably had some sort of knowledge of, not maybe complete, but pretty secure knowledge of whatever it was those Nazis down there are up to.
Why?
Again, Martin Bormann and his check that he writes over his own signature.
Right.
Where's the bank that he's writing on?
Manufacturers Hanover and Chase Manhattan.
Wow.
So, in other words, yeah, the Rockefellers have.
A pretty clear picture of something going on down there.
And they're happy to do it.
Nazi loot is something they have a nice relationship with.
Sure.
You know, secret reserve, that's a banker's dream.
You know.
Let's just clarify that though, because the thing about Borman there, which is very interesting, who was basically the second in command for Hitler, had that incredible.
You know, reputation as completely cold hearted Nazi leader.
He supposedly died in the official record.
You know, there's a few different ways that he died, but he died right during the end of the war there.
And, but he turns up, interestingly enough, when that check was written.
And what was the check written in cash over his signature?
I think it was the early 60s because Paul Manning mentions this in his book, but he does not give a date.
But my guess is because his book is.
Being written in the early 60s or 70s, it may be after Ladislaus Farrago comes out with his book about Martin Borman.
My guess is it's probably the 60s.
And you would ask that because at some point I recall somebody mentioning that it may have been 1967, but my memory is so sketchy there.
I have not been able to track down an exact date for that.
What he does state is that that check was drawn on accounts at Manufacturers Hanover, Chase Manhattan, cleared through Deutsche Bank in Buenos Aires.
That's he gives specific information about it, and it's over his own signature.
Incredible, yeah.
Um, I think this Rockefeller aspect, the South American post war Nazi thing, has not been investigated well, except by you.
I mean, you've gone in there and looked at this.
Um, one of the things I found out about Kissinger trying to figure out how he relates in any way to the UFO file.
Well, we got that big breakthrough, uh, through Steinman's book.
But what I think is interesting is I said, well, there has to be something in his own career that would go through it.
So I went through and I went through and I couldn't find anything, but I found something that he was on the board of something called Gulfstream Aerospace.
And that's interesting.
Oh, you're kidding me.
No.
And that General Dynamics took over Gulfstream.
But I did find here that the X 54 was made by Gulfstream.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now, one of the interesting things about Kissinger is they wanted him to head the 9 11 Commission.
And he got cold feet because they said, you have to disclose all your business relationships.
And he said, I'm out of here.
So when I was looking, you can imagine the kind of business relationships someone like Kissinger has.
Gulfstream Associates, the continuity of the X, the exotic technology.
Kissinger and the Rockefellers.
This is an interesting chapter that has not been adequately explained.
And the Rockefeller aspect, I think, could be explosive.
I think it could be too, because go back to that bit of information I disclosed in Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations when Richard Bissell is tasked by Alan Dulles to oversee the development of.
The spy satellite program.
Yes.
And at one point in the development of this, the Rockefeller family steps right in and says, Well, we will fund the backup camera system privately out of our own funds.
So, in other words, what they're doing is they're buying access to any satellite intelligence.
Fantastic.
Wow.
So, I don't put it past them at all.
Well, you know, you must be kind of a wizard because, of course, the book.
That I have here is your book that mentions that.
And the section that I circled for tonight was spy satellites, nuclear weapons, and UFOs, which is one of the best chapter names that there can be.
You've got a series of incidents here.
The Minot one is particularly interesting because.
Do you want to go into this whole UFOs buzzing the nuclear stuff?
What's going on there?
Most of that material is drawn from an excellent book by Robert Hastings called UFOs and Nukes.
It's about a 500 page book.
And if you don't have it, get it because it's just really a good book.
The Minot Incident was a occurred in the 70s, and I've actually been to that airbase.
I did drywalling there, believe it or not.
But anyway, the many hats of Farrell.
But anyway, that airbase, if you go to that part of North Dakota, From Minot up to the Canadian border, there's all of these very strange installations, missile silos.
You can actually see the fenced in areas of the missile silos and so on and so forth.
But a UFO supposedly showed up at the Minot Air Force Base.
And of course, it set off all the alarms.
And the UFO apparently took down a flight of ICBMs, Minutemen ICBMs, which immediately right there, that's a national security issue, folks.
I mean, you know, it's.
If the Soviet Union launched right then, you know, we wouldn't have been.
It took down a flight of UFOs, or pardon me, a flight of ICBMs.
And then after the flight was restored, they discovered that the targeting information had been altered remotely by the UFO.
Wow.
And the really interesting thing about that incident is that the Air Force contacted the Boeing company to come in.
And see if they could reduplicate those effects.
And interestingly enough, the Boeing company was able to do it.
Oh.
Oh.
So, what does that tell you?
It tells me that we may not have been dealing with an extraterrestrial technology at all, that someone is testing a capability.
Now, a similar incident happens inside the Soviet Union in 1982 during the wonderful era of Andropov.
And an entire Soviet flight of ICBMs at Byelokorovich in the Ukraine began the launch countdown.
Wow.
And, you know, the Soviet cruiser are not to coin a pun, going ballistic here, trying to shut this down.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
And, of course, you know, The UFO eventually turns off the launch sequence.
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But, you know, thank you for that.
But anyway, you know, it just is if you want to send a message, that's the way to do it, you know.
So, again, is that a national security issue for the Soviet Union?
You betcha.
And it's interesting that Andropov, I think probably as a consequence of that incident, immediately had the KGB, the GRU, the Red Army, the Red Air Force.
Force, the Red Navy.
He created a huge bureaucracy to centralize all UFO reports for the Soviet Union.
Right.
I mean, they took that very, very seriously.
You can't blame them.
Yeah.
I remember you telling me that and me thinking, Andropov was a serious intelligence player.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I like what you're pointing out here, though, which is particularly significant that the ET that we're dealing with in this case is not extraterrestrial.
In these cases, this is an extraterritorial force.
Could be.
Yeah.
Could be.
And I don't rule out ET.
I'm just saying if Boeing is able to reduplicate aspects of this phenomena, yeah, then that means the technology is not all that far advanced.
But what it also implies is you have a remote, please hear me now, because now this is coming out on the internet as common knowledge stories.
That implies a remote sensing capability to read and analyze a complex integrated electrical circuit and alter.
The programming in it remotely.
And now, this technology, we're hearing about this every day.
Back in the 70s.
Not so much.
Not so much.
Well, that's fascinating, actually, if you really think about it.
You're looking at it in the proper way, the way I'm thinking about this, because people often say, was it ours or was it theirs?
Meaning, was it an ET craft or was it an American?
Advanced spy plane or whatever, but you're suggesting also a third player in here.
There's an extraterritorial player who has the ability to lay its technology out there, yes, when it wants to do these tests and elude us, right?
Right?
Uh, this force, this extraterritorial force, this would be in your work linked to the post war fascist international that survived.
The Nazi part with some of their technology, with some of their loot, and continued predominantly in South America, but that could be all over the world now.
Right.
Right.
Absolutely.
I think that that is absolutely the case because, again, let's go to 9 11.
Shortly before 9 11, in July of that year, I believe it was, a Russian economist, and this was mentioned by Jim Mars in his.
One of his very first 9 11 books by the name of Tatiana Koriagina published an article in Pravda.
Take it for what that's worth.
I mean, Pravda is like, you know, the National Enquirer, but sometimes they come through, right?
Yeah, sometimes they come through.
It's kind of hitting this, folks.
But she did publish this article in which she predicted that the United States would suffer.
Massive terrorist attacks on its own soil.
But this attack would come from an international group, was her words, that had funding in the excess of $300 trillion.
And that they were doing these things to remake the world the way they wanted it to be.
Now, she did not specify what that international group was.
But when you put her remarks with Sergei Glazius' remarks about, Our problem isn't the Nazis in Kiev.
Our problem is the Nazis in Washington.
Yeah, the Russians are sending us these little clues, and nobody is taking them seriously.
I take them very, very seriously.
Absolutely.
What's the messaging then with Putin and these incredible, super califragilistic nuclear weapons that he has now and him coming out and boasting about it?
What is going on there?
I think what Putin is trying to do is say that your missile defense systems, at least the ones that we've deployed in Romania, Poland, and so on, are pretty much useless to be able to track these types of things.
Because what we're dealing with with these missiles is that these are not traditional ballistic missiles at all.
These things can be modified in flight and they can take any trajectory that they wish them to take.
In other words, they can fly missiles over the South Pole and up and, you know, just all sorts of stuff.
And in addition to that, of course, these are MIRVed missiles.
And the MIRV reentry vehicles themselves have the capability of being modified in mid flight.
So, in other words, this is a tracking nightmare.
And you throw into that mixture all of the countermeasures that ICBMs would have to throw off tracking, you know, chaff, basically.
Dud, dummy warheads, and so on.
When you throw that into the mixture, what Putin is trying to say is, you know, your missile defense systems are essentially worthless now.
And by the way, let's not forget the Donald Cook incident, folks.
You know, we can turn off your systems at the push of a button.
Incredible.
Yeah.
That was something I think that really was a demonstration.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
One of the things that I found interesting about Putin's statements is that it came on the heels of these two very unusual, you know, tripping the alarm there with the missile alarms, people in Hawaii thinking that they were being bombed.
And then that happened in Japan.
Do you think that they're related?
Absolutely.
I think they're related.
I give a little credence to the idea that some people have advanced.
That this was not accidental, that this was something designed to trigger a document dump.
I've heard stories, I haven't been able to verify this, that the Clintons were there in Hawaii along with Huma Abedin when this happened.
And, you know, one version of that theory, again, without any substantiation, was that they were there to recover some information.
The thing, the missile thing happened.
I have had other people.
Sending materials again.
I haven't blogged about it because it's not substantiated to my satisfaction that there was an actual missile launch and that it was shot down.
I've seen some suggestive videos, but again, you can Photoshop anything.
But what I don't believe is that a guy accidentally pressed the wrong button and triggered an alert.
Uh uh, no.
No, no.
Something was going on.
Something was going on.
You know, it's fascinating.
And I follow when you do the blogs on these.
This is where, you know, that information that you're sifting through and you're starting to add things up.
And I want to recommend people go to GizaDeathStar.com and stay up to date with the blogs that you put out there because that kind of information and the thing about the missiles are such a weird test.
It's such a weird kind of ghost false flag in a way.
And you can get a lot of information.
A company scanning that can get a lot of information about how people react, et cetera.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
One of the things I wanted to point out is to bring this whole conversation around the danger of the space part not being very well known, basically, and us being largely in the dark about the secret space program and about the UFO file, and the danger of the CIA, which represents largely this holdover in its inception of this post war Nazi influence,
that going into space.
And, you know, I've made a series of videos about continuity of government roles going into space through the secret space program and creating that untrackability and all the rest of it.
How dangerous is this situation in 2018 that we even have Trump sort of going off the cuff and talking about a space force?
And we have the CIA engaged in kind of a mock New York Times disclosure thing.
How dangerous are these factors?
I think it's very dangerous.
I look at this whole post election thing as being a protracted conflict between elements of the deep state.
I really do.
That's still my model.
What makes it particularly dangerous is that they don't have, as far as I can tell, anything to hold over Trump.
Right.
And in a certain sense, that makes him very dangerous because he does not.
Have to be beholden to their suggestions and so on and so forth.
I look at the response to him as being even more dangerous because I see the wheels on the train of the left just kind of flying off.
The wheels are flying off the train.
No question.
To me, that's also very, very dangerous.
One party's in meltdown and the other party is out to lunch.
Right.
Well, the Democrats don't even have a leading figure to take Clinton's place.
No, they don't.
And now they're running all these CIA people for Congress.
And I'm thinking, now, wait a minute here, guys.
What about all those laws about lobbying?
And so we're going to do it directly now.
I think it's a measure of the pressure that they're under from somewhere, somehow, that they think that they've got to go in there and get enough people in Congress to stop whatever might be.
Be coming down the pike at them.
The other thing that I think is very dangerous here is I have to be honest, I am utterly mystified at these staff changes that are going on.
Absolutely.
You know, Tillerson goes down to San Carlos de Bariloche.
He makes his speech about national parks, which, you know, Sorry, folks, I'm not buying that one.
But anyway, and then we get this business about Trump and North Korea, you know, apparently having some sort of secret meeting while Trump is inside the Forbidden City in Beijing.
Right.
So it appears to me that he's conducting a lot of personal diplomacy, which I think can be very, very dangerous and very destabilizing.
Because if you're a country like Russia and you've got all of this.
Nonsensical anti Russia phobia in the media in the West right now.
And then you're looking at an administration in Washington that doesn't appear to be very stable, and which is under a lot of attack and assault.
It's a very dangerous period.
And then on top of this, Daniel, we're going to throw in UFOs and secret exotic technology and Trump's little statements about space forces and Putin.
Oh, I've got these really cool rockets with hydrogen bombs.
I know what happened to the dialogue.
God, here's how we'll bomb Florida.
I thought, you know, when I saw that, I said something is going on there with Putin that is, and he hadn't been seen for a while before that.
So I found this whole approach of him coming out and being like the nuclear master of the world, like I tried to warn you how nuclear we are.
It didn't seem very diplomatic, and it seemed like it was a response to something.
Yeah, it is a response, and it's a response, I think.
I think it's a response to this wild neocon group that seems to be running the West right now.
Russia's under a lot of pressure, which is, again, it's very dangerous.
You know, don't poke the stick in the bear's cage.
Yeah.
That makes the bear mad.
You know, Hitler tried that, and.
Yeah, right.
Look where it got him.
No, there's a pressure being put on from somewhere.
And I can't figure out where it's coming from, but I do think that the Russians have been, for the past few years, providing us clues very deliberately.
And I think what they're trying to tell us is you really need to start paying attention to this extraterritorial, whatever it is, because it's out of hand and out of control.
And you can look at the election results in Europe, you get the same sense there.
The Q cult is going off into wild hysteria right now.
He's building an army.
The Deep State Structure00:12:19
Yeah, I know.
I'm just like, do you people realize what is being done to you?
Yeah.
I think our interview on Q stands, and you were advanced on that right then.
We came out of the gate with it, and we looked at the situation and studied the material that came out through Q.
And Q is very much.
It's a marketing hop with maybe an Intel backup.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm going to get information to see how people respond to me saying, let's go all in this direction.
And, you know, really simple platitudes and not a lot of deep thinking and erratic, very erratic stuff.
Very, very, very erratic stuff.
And it gets crazier with each new post.
And, you know, it's a cottage industry now.
There's so many people hanging on every little.
Word and trying to parse what it means.
And then came the Angela Merkel revelation that, oh, you need to look at her.
And, you know, that stuff has been out there on the internet for years.
Yeah, right.
And people are fawning over this like, oh my God, she's Hitler's daughter, you know.
Right.
What's next?
They're going to say that there's more than one shooter in the Kennedy assassinate?
Like, we don't know this, folks.
Excellent point.
I do want to take us back before we're going to take some questions because some great people have come in.
Sure.
But before we get there, I want to take us back to the real clash some 50 some odd years ago now between Kennedy and the deep state over the UFO file.
It's the last real battle over the UFO file from the presidential edge where he maybe had a chance of winning and bringing it back under the fold.
Kennedy's moves before his assassination saying, I have basically a pretext for you to give me all that information as we're going to do this thing with the Soviets.
And by the way, CIA director, by the way, NASA administrator, give me all the high threat cases related to UFOs.
Right.
Your estimation by the time he was assassinated, how much had he gained influence and knowledge over the UFO file?
I don't think that he gained very much influence, but I do think he gained a lot of knowledge.
I'm even willing to entertain the idea that he did that to not just get UFO information to pass on to Khrushchev, but that he was also doing this to find out, you know, a classic die the waters operation.
He was trying to figure out who's talking to who, who is in this network that has access to this stuff.
And simply by dint of whatever the CIA did pass along to him or that NASA passed along to him.
Or that the National Reconnaissance Office, anybody that might have access to UFO files, by dint of what they were showing him, he was probably able to assemble a basic, fairly clear picture of the structure of the deep state that had to deal with that.
So I do think that he had some knowledge of it.
I think in the course of that, he probably realized, like Eisenhower, that this thing was out of control, that this thing had become a life unto itself.
And therefore, it was threatening to the national security over the long term.
I do think that he had a clear enough picture to come to that conclusion.
In other words, he came to the conclusion I don't have any influence over this at all.
Yeah.
That's a great realization.
His assassination largely owed to two factors, but I want your opinion on this.
But as I see it, two factors.
The incursion into the UFO file from the presidential level.
Right.
And the threat to abolish the CIA.
I think that's part of it.
I think definitely those two factors have to rank at the top of the list.
I think the other factor is his approval of issuing about $4 billion worth of United States notes.
He just utterly bypassed the Federal Reserve.
Right, right.
Totally and completely.
Yes.
And what that did.
I suspect that Kennedy, because of Truman's decision to put the National Security Council in charge of this hidden system of finance, I suspect that he knew about that.
And that this move of his was perceived by them as a threat to that system and therefore to that whole UFO secret research, secret space program thing that they had going on.
Wow.
Yeah, it is.
It makes sense.
It's because there's an urgency.
Behind eliminating him.
And yes, the Federal Reserve notes aspect has always been intriguing because the suggestion there is I can bypass your system.
Right.
Yes.
Is a crucial, I mean, he really is saying I'm independent.
Right.
And we will move, you know.
Right.
The UFO file, his incursion into it, it seems like he spends three years trying to get his hands on it.
Yes.
And we all know how that ends.
It is fascinating.
And I think the crux, really, when we're looking at, The UFO issue now is to understand the battles that have taken place over the file at that presidential level.
And if we get a handle on that, if we can understand how the technology moved and how the programs moved, and if there is a trail, if we have dialed in through looking at this X theme that shows up over and over again in extraordinary ways and in minor ways, we might be able to unravel where the UFO file.
Is now where does it risk now?
I it's important to that thesis to recall that Kennedy issues his directive to the CIA to begin vetting those UFO files and turn it over to him, right?
The timing is important, yes, because that occurs in the same approximate time frame as the Bay of Pigs, right?
So, in other words, something to my mind.
Made Kennedy think.
And again, you've got to remember he's coming off the Eisenhower administration, the whole U 2 thing, Francis Gary Powers, Richard Bissell's involvement with that, Richard Bissell's involvement with covert operations like the Bay of Pigs, Richard Bissell's involvement in the spy satellites.
That timing tells me that right there that Kennedy is beginning to connect some dots between covert operations, exotic technologies, and so on and so forth.
He's inherited all of this from From President Eisenhower.
So, yeah, I think you're onto something there.
I would just say, look at the timing of when he starts doing this.
It's very early in his administration that he wants those UFO files.
And I suspect, again, that it's President Eisenhower that may have kind of steered him in that direction.
Well, you know, it's fascinating because the messaging is one aspect, the timing gives you the picture.
Yeah.
And things in context.
Yeah.
It's crucial.
Fantastic.
Jennifer's absolutely incredible information.
Let's go.
We have a lot of people lined up with questions for you.
Sure.
Let's dive into some of them.
Can I take a little break before we do?
Absolutely.
I've set aside the night, so I'm good for questions, but you can't go drinking tea all day and keep it to yourself.
Hey, that's pretty healthy.
Yeah.
We'll be right back.
Keep going.
I didn't even show him Nixon's pyramid.
Here it is.
So.
Olivia, how are you?
Question just for you.
So, would you have you ever asked Richard Doty for an interview?
Well, Doty's come out and done interviews with Linda Moulton Howe and some other people.
And I just don't know.
A guy like that really doesn't let a whole lot out.
And it's tough to trust what he says.
So, I'm not sure it would have a whole lot of, unless he wanted to come forward and say, well, I haven't said this before and I'm letting it out.
I couldn't see him really adding much to the conversation.
And one of the things that he said in an interview was that basically some of his sources were people that he would give $50 to to spy on the UFO community, and intelligence doesn't work like that.
So it wouldn't be my first choice.
Could we talk about Kissinger for a second?
Yes, please.
Okay.
So Mark Petrie says Remember that Henry Kissinger was in the 101st Counterintelligence Corps at the end of World War II that captured and debriefed General Galen?
Henry Kissinger was the translator.
That's true.
Well, it's pretty interesting.
Fritz Kramer, I think, is somebody, if we're going to really look at Kissinger, and this is something that Joseph brought up May Russell earlier, and there's a whole stack of incredible shows that she did tracking Fritz Kramer and his influence on Kissinger.
And guess who the other person was that he discovered?
Alexander Haig.
So Kramer is absolutely crucial.
He only recently passed away and he was 103.
And There he was at Harvard, you know, a stone's throw from here, wielding all that influence.
And he was the classic monocled German wizard behind the scenes.
Joseph, I wanted to show you this before we got into the questions.
Sure.
Something called Nixon's Pyramid.
You were talking about Minot, and that's.
Yep.
There it is.
I've seen that actually.
Now, doesn't it.
I'd never seen it until I had gone deep into the Nixon research and looking at it, it looks to me like Giza, basically.
Yeah.
It's a phased array radar.
And I actually put that picture in the Giza first pyramid book.
Oh, oh.
Because the Great Pyramid, most people don't know this, the Great Pyramid at Giza is actually slanted, the faces are slanted inward along the line of the apothem.
So, in other words, all four sides of the Great Pyramid are dishes.
Ah.
Right.
Excellent point.
I never knew that until we did our pyramid.
Interview.
And I think that we can do, by the way, a show just about the pyramid.
And my nutty hypothesis.
This is as close, I mean, you know, that and because we've done a lot of shows and, you know, the shows are so.
I have people going back and telling me from 2014, they were like, oh, I just discovered this one.
It's the most incredible thing.
And this four years ago, you know, we've done the shows and you've laid out the information.
One of the things I found really fascinating is.
Your core hypothesis about the Giza Death Star, you know, it is something that is absolutely mind blowing.
And I think we should do a show just about that at some point.
Sure.
Yeah.
Nazi Religion Morphing00:14:49
Olivia, Europe.
Okay.
Has Joseph seen Hunting Hitler?
And if so, what did he think about the series?
I have not seen it because I do not have my cable television hooked up.
I refuse to watch any of the lamestream corporate controlled media anymore whatsoever.
Good.
I.
And familiar with the basic hypothesis, and what it strikes me as, Olivia, is an attempt by the powers that be to regain control of the narrative.
And they're doing a piss poor job of it because they're not really doing a whole lot of good in depth research.
They're giving you kind of a Cliff Notes version of the researchers that are out there.
You know, you've got Peter Lavenda, you've got me, you've got Harry Cooper, you've got Jerome Corsi, you've got the people in the United Kingdom that wrote The Gray Wolf.
Everybody has a different scenario of how he got out, but we're all agreed that he did.
What also bothers me about what little I know about that series, Olivia, is that it doesn't go very much in depth into this post war Nazi structure that is conducting its own research, that is tremendously well funded, that's running its own covert operations and so on.
They're completely leaving this out of the picture.
So to me, it's kind of a limited hangout position.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Hugh Hoyland asks Is the goal of the international Nazis still racial in nature?
I think, yes.
I think to a large extent it probably is.
Although you find, if you study this structure, you find different aspects of it.
Some parts of it have kind of morphed into this Nazi religion.
I don't know how else to describe it.
It's just very bizarre and it's blended with Eastern mysticism and so on and so forth.
The hard core of it, however, I suspect probably still is very, very eugenicist oriented.
It strikes me that one of their goals is to ratchet up tensions with Russia again.
Try and get everybody involved in a shooting war so that they can come in and pick up the pieces.
I think that they have been hugely instrumental in setting up the Islamic world for a fall.
So, yeah, I have no hesitation in saying that the basic ideology probably hasn't changed all that much.
Cece Jarvis Has Joseph seen or heard that Nazis had orders to root out hybrid humans concentrating on the fringe, small ethnic populations?
Hybrid humans.
I have not heard that.
That must be something new going around the internet.
The Nazis, just like the Soviets, did have whole experiments dedicated to literally recreating the Aryan Superman.
The Lebensborn Project was part of this.
I think that there's a case to be made that perhaps they even had a much better handle on.
Uh, genetics than the public narrative would have us believe.
Uh, I can get into that someday, perhaps.
Okay, yeah, that is interesting.
And uh, I think the idea there was you know, it's one of these things where you do hear about this that part of the agenda that they were working on that they were working with some ET group that was trying to eliminate another ET group, basically.
But it is, it's hard to follow that trail.
Well, I don't get into that because you know me.
I'm a documents guy, and where the story of crash saucers and Nazi Roswells is just not very well, to my opinion, very well documented.
So I don't place much stock in that argument.
There is the argument that Mr. Hoagland advances from time to time that the only way to account for this explosion of technology.
During the 12 years of the Third Reich, is that they had to have help from somewhere.
And in fact, you do have Dr. Herman Obert being asked by American reporters when Von Braun brings him to this country after the war, you know, they asked him very directly, you know, where did you guys get all this stuff from?
And he just very bluntly says, well, we had help.
Yeah, right.
The question is, was it Maria Ortsik?
Well, yeah, that's the problem because Obert.
Was also, you know, in addition to being a brilliant rocket scientist, he was also very heavily into the occult.
So, you know, that could mean anything in his case.
That's crucial.
Yeah.
And it's interesting to think about that.
Most of the top line of the Nazi leadership, deep on the occult side, not afraid of the subject at all.
Yeah.
What else?
Hot Past 79.
How did the Germans get all this tech ahead of the rest of the world?
Well, I think that my basic line is that.
With outfits like the Kamlerstop, you had a culture in that secret projects agency that was deliberately set up free of any Nazi ideological influence.
He just basically said, Okay, guys, forget all this party nonsense.
I want you guys to brainstorm what we need to do to get from point A to point B in terms of secret weapons technology.
And he even went so far.
As to set up a secret, a top secret kind of scientific magazine, which circulated amongst the scientists and technicians of this group so that they could read and circulate their ideas and papers with each other.
This, you know, it was kind of a DARPA in this respect.
And I think it was the model for DARPA.
The other thing that you have to remember is that Nazi Germany was really the first modern great power.
That took very seriously the idea that ancient texts might contain some sort of clues to an advanced technology.
And this is basically the approach I take in my books that deal with ancient society and technology.
So you have a culture that is particularly within the SS that is set up.
Heinrich Himmler actually sets up a bureau of the SS called the Annenerbedienst.
And in the memorandum that Establishes this agency, he very bluntly states that your goal is to research all of this ancient lore, occult lore, esoteric tradition, you name it, for any potential military application.
So, in other words, there it is Nazi Germany is trying to, as it were, recreate Atlantis and this idea of a sophisticated technology.
So, I think a large part of it.
You don't have to go to ET or crashed flying saucers or reverse engineering.
They are willing to brainstorm in any area that seems off the beaten path.
And to be sure, when you establish that kind of thought culture, that kind of brainstorming culture, 95% of your ideas are going to be flaky and they're going to go nowhere.
It's the other 5% that you've got to worry about.
And clearly, there is enough in the record to suggest that they were hugely successful in what they accomplished.
Stop and think.
Every modern weapons system that we have today cruise missiles, television guided missiles, heat seeking missiles, acoustic torpedoes, wire guided missiles, ballistic missiles, phase conjugate radars, over the horizon radars, even lasers, in my opinion.
All of this was.
Achieved by the Third Reich in some prototypical form.
And that's an indicator of this brainstorming culture that they set up.
They were willing to think outside of the box.
Amazing.
You know, and that makes me think of when they had the 1936 Olympics, they broadcasted it through television throughout Germany.
Yes.
We didn't even pick up television until 14 years later.
Yeah.
Well, as a matter of fact, they brought the American inventor for a lot of those vacuum tubes, Philo Farnsworth, to Nazi Germany and bought licenses from him.
To create that technology.
But here's the thing in the SS Brotherhood of the Bell, I have a picture of one of those big television cameras at the Tempelhof Field in Berlin during the Berlin Olympics.
And it's this gigantic, huge, clunky piece of equipment.
It's huge.
But by the end of the war, they had miniaturized components to the extent that they could fit a television camera in a shoebox.
To put on their television guided missiles.
So, in other words, even in terms of miniaturization, I even have pictures of little semiconducting chips.
Please note what I just said little semiconductor chips from 1940 that were used in German radios.
Now, that, folks, is a step on the technology tree to the integrated circuit.
Wow.
You know, it's amazing because in one of your books, I'm trying to think, it might be this book, you have that fascinating picture of Del Show.
Yes.
His paintings.
And it looks like a nuclear reactor, but he painted it far, far before.
Yes.
Like that.
Yes.
You know, I think it's incredible.
I really do.
When you think of the accomplishments that they had and the level of technology that they were at, the rest of the world was so far behind.
Yeah.
When we went in there, To Nazi Germany and started combing through it, we and the British, and conducting reports.
Many of the people were just dumbfounded at what had been achieved.
It just boggles the mind.
Like I say, every weapon system that we have right now existed in some prototypical form by the end of World War II.
Wow.
Incredible.
Okay, you're up.
Okay, if we stole the Nazis' best scientists and Germany was so far ahead of everyone else pre World War II, how did the Soviets get to space first?
Well, like I said before, at the end of the war, the Soviets recovered a lot of the middle echelon people, hundreds of people that were able from Germany, that were able to reconstruct the blueprints, the documents trail, and everything like this.
And Korolev, Sergei Korolev, who was put in charge of the Soviet missile program and, of course, the Soviet space program, he actually took over.
You know, the Russians have those very peculiar looking boosters.
Where you find several boosters kind of clustered around a central booster.
That was actually a wartime German idea.
So, in other words, what happens is the Soviet program is jump started by all these German technicians.
And Korolev did essentially what Kamler did.
He freed them to do their thing and train the Soviet scientists and technicians.
And when the Soviet scientists and technicians were sufficiently trained, unlike what happened in this country, the Soviets said, OK, fine, we've learned all we can from you.
Goodbye, go home.
And they literally sent them back to Germany.
Wow.
We kept them on.
Yeah.
Right.
You know, we didn't learn the lesson as well.
Yeah.
They were able to kind of infiltrate their character.
Right.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Exactly.
As a matter of fact, something that you pointed out to me is that they actually rebuilt their command structure once they got to America.
Oh, yeah.
The Nazis.
Yeah.
This was a cause of concern that happened shortly after Roswell, incidentally, when the U.S. Army reopened.
A lot of the counterintelligence files on some of these Nazi scientists because they discovered that the Nazis had duplicated the exact same command structure that they had in Germany over here inside of the American missile program.
And here's a little clue for you folks they discovered oh, these Nazis are driving around in nice big brand new Mercedes Benz cars on salaries from the US Army that couldn't afford a Chevy.
So they're getting money from somewhere, and then they discover that these Nazis at Fort Bliss in El Paso also have mail drops across the border in Mexico.
Oh, that they also seem to be getting instructions by radio from somewhere.
You know, that's so interesting because when I was reading the biography on Dornberger, he, when he left, basically went to go live in Mexico when he left America.
Obama in Bariloche00:04:34
Uh huh.
In the 80s.
Uh huh.
So, Mexico.
Uh huh.
Well, that may have something to do with the Nazis having bombed Mexico with a V2.
Oh, well, wait a minute.
You're not going to get away with that one.
When did that happen?
It happened in 47, I believe, 47 or 48.
The Nazis are, you know, teaching us how to launch these V2 rockets.
Oh, right, right.
And, gee.
You know, for some reason, one of these rockets went haywire and landed in Juarez, Mexico.
Wow.
Blew up, of course.
Wow.
And the other thing that was happening is that they were sending up these V2s over New Mexico with cameras in the nose cone that during the parachute descent, you know, the camera would be clicking away.
And the U.S. Army guys would go out to try to recover these cameras.
No camera.
Huh.
Wow.
So I think these Nazis are clicking away and taking the cameras and shutting them down, you know, through Mexico down to San Carlos de Bariloche, probably.
And doing, you know, photo reconnaissance analysts.
I mean, these guys were, you know, it sounds like I'm making all this up, folks, but I assure you, I'm reporting on research that other American authors, you know, have uncovered.
It's just unreal.
One quick question.
What.
Why Huntsville, Alabama?
What on earth was happening there?
Good question.
I've never been able to figure out why or how NASA made the selection for these places.
But I suspect in the case of Alabama, particularly at that time, with the extreme segregation that you had in the southern states at that time, that this would have been right up the Nazis' alley.
Oh, absolutely.
Wow.
Okay.
I didn't even think of that.
Excellent point.
Yeah.
All right, what else you got?
Okay, please ask Dr. Farrell what he means specifically when he says that the presidents that visit Bariloche, Argentina, are told, The way things are.
I mean, specifically, that they go down there and they're told, Okay, we know this and this and this because we have our people inside your intelligence agencies.
We know this and this and this from your satellite reconnaissance.
We have these files on you, those files on you.
In other words, they're given their marching orders.
That's what I mean.
Now, in President Carter's case, when he went down there, he went down there after he had just been diagnosed with cancer and he came back and it was in full remission.
So, you know, draw what conclusions he was, in other words, he was no longer president.
Now, when Obama went down there, what I find extraordinarily interesting is that President Obama took with him a bunch of NASA people to San Carlos de Bariloche.
Now, to his credit, Obama didn't fall for the storyline that he's going to give a speech about national parks in Argentina.
That was the Tillerson line.
But, you know, we were told that this was because.
Argentina wanted to get in on the space race, and we were concerned about Chinese presence in Argentina and their space program, yada, yada, yada.
Again, San Carlos de Bariloche was a major hub for this post war Nazi international and for some of their research.
So, again, I'm not buying the public explanations because that area of Argentina to this day, Is heavily populated by German Argentine families that have an interesting history.
So that's what I mean.
Scott Kelly DNA Alterations00:03:00
Wow.
Okay.
No name.
Please ask Daniel and Dr. Farrell their thoughts on astronaut Scott Kelly's DNA being changed by 7% after being on the ISS for 340 days.
I am wondering if the 7% alterations of Scott Kelly's DNA were enhancements and what, if anything, it might have to do with what actually happens to humans when they die.
You know, it is fascinating, but in terms of actually addressing the DNA aspect of that, I'm going to leave that to you.
Oh, boy.
Well, it just so happens to whoever asked that question that I blogged about that on my website a few days ago.
And that's GizaDeathStar.com.
Yeah, GizaDeathStar.com.
And there's a search engine there.
You can just search for Kelly and it should pull up that article.
I don't remember right off the top of my head what the title of the blog was, but.
Let me put it this way.
It's been known for quite some time that prolonged space exposure does have physiological effects.
Now we know that these effects are genetic in nature.
And interestingly enough, what appears to have happened in zero gravity is that the telomeres on Scott Kelly, the astronaut that went up to the International Space Station for several months, they lengthened.
And of course, that's very interesting because aging is thought to be related to the decrease and shortening of length of those telomeres on cells.
So, in other words, he regressed.
In other words, his body grew younger, so to speak.
We don't know what the other effects are.
Now, here's the rub.
And this is not a story that's very well known.
You have to kind of really dig for this one.
But many astronauts and cosmonauts have reported that when they're up there, they see their family members, which I find very interesting.
Again, that zero gravity seems to have some sort of cognitive effect on us.
And it's very interesting and intriguing to me because there are ancient traditions that there is a kind of quarantine zone around the Earth.
At the orbit of the moon, where in some of these traditions, this is where the souls of the blessed go, and in other traditions, this is where the souls of the damned go, depending on who you read.
But they're all agreed that there's some sort of quarantine zone out there in space.
Ancient Quarantine Zone Traditions00:03:59
So we may be just at the beginning of uncovering the scientific bases for some of these ancient ideas.
Wow.
And you know what that makes me think of is there's almost kind of an arbitrary statement in the Old Testament at a certain point where it says, well, God's sort of looked down at things and was like, I'm going to shorten their lifespan from 900 to 100.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
There's all sorts of interesting things about age and wickedness there.
But yeah, that's the excuse.
But it's a lot, isn't it?
The oldest person in the Bible is Methuselah.
I think that's 967 years.
And of course, he's.
He's a young pup when you compare the lifespans in the Bible of some of those patriarchs to, say, the Sumerian Kings List, where you have people living tens of thousands of years.
You know, frankly, I'd get bored, but I can't resist asking you about Ezekiel and Ezekiel's wheel.
And just to kind of the walnut version of what you think is going on there, because, you know, some unusual things out there about it.
For example, it's a Casey reading.
Where they ask him, what did the Atlantean technology look like?
And he said, Well, this is something that Ezekiel described at a much later date.
It just sort of leaves it there, no follow up.
What do you think was going on there with Ezekiel's vision?
I think you could make a case that he's seeing a technology and reporting it in the best way that he knows how.
You have a lot of indications of that sort of thing going on in the Bible.
The Ark of the Covenant.
And the way it's made, you know, it's a capacitor.
Yeah, right, right.
You have the stones in Lucifer's crown, and even Lucifer himself described in the book of Ezekiel.
There's a phrase that is very vivid that says, Thy tablets and pipes were made perfect in thee.
And tablets, well, that's an old English term for membranes, pipes.
Well, you could be describing a physical organism there.
Or that language would also be appropriate to some sort of machine.
So, you know, even descriptions like that, you have to kind of scratch your head and wonder exactly, you know, what are they trying to get at with this language?
And again, you find similar language about possible technological things and things like the Babylonian Enuma, Elish, and certainly the so called Epic of Nunurta.
You know, there's all sorts of this stuff everywhere you turn.
It's interesting.
I think that you've done an excellent job of picking out the technology and the oddities in those ancient texts.
And I always see them in a different way when I view them through your work.
Well, thank you.
You know, please don't get me wrong, folks.
I'm not trying to suggest that this disproves God or anything like that.
I'm a both and person rather than either or person.
Right, right.
If that makes any sense.
Yeah.
We have those people who are all too willing to say, oh, that was just they had technology and they bowed down to them as they were.
Gods and there was no such thing.
Well, you know, I have no objection to God using technology.
He can do whatever he wants to do.
Anyway, Olivia, you're up.
Cece Jarvis, does Dr. Farrell have any new information that affirms or puts his cosmic Versailles theory into question?
Into question?
Catherine Austin Fitzgibbon Insights00:05:31
Not into question.
I wouldn't put it that way.
More important, probably.
Maybe to a certain extent modified, but not to question it.
I still think that that's a very plausible way of looking at some of those ancient texts and what followed after the war, the so called cosmic war that I talk about.
I haven't found anything to modify that idea.
You know, and I will say to people who want to get a handle on that, the video.
That we did in the Secret Space Program, you've got that information in there.
So you look for the Secret Space Program, there's a link to it at darkjournalist.com with the roundtable, and that'll get you into that set of videos.
So highly recommended.
That's from basically a little over two years ago.
Yeah.
See, just like Catherine's report.
Yeah.
They still haven't caught up to this thing.
No, they haven't.
It's amazing.
The headlines barely starting to touch at this.
And this came out literally at the end of 2015.
So we're talking over two years ago.
That's how Catherine rolls, but geez, unbelievable.
She's ahead of the curve on all of this.
Way ahead.
I don't know how she does.
I mean, it's really, you know.
Well, she, you know, she has kind of a community driven website like I do.
Yeah.
And she gets so many articles that people are sending her, and, you know, she's a speed reader.
Yeah.
So she, you know, she reads and devours information like nobody I've ever seen in my life and is able to connect these dots.
And, you know, she follows the money.
Yes.
Makes that's what makes her work so unique, you know.
And I think the reason that we kind of hooked up was that we were seeing the same thing, but we were coming at it from entirely different points of view.
Yeah, she's seeing all this missing money and it's in astronomical amounts of money.
And what you know, what are they using it for?
I think is her question.
And she came to the conclusion, well, it has to be something that would require a lot of money.
Technology, space.
And that was her conclusion.
I came at it from the historical angle and Nazis and hidden systems of finance, but basically came to the same sort of conclusion.
The other thing that I think in her case was a part of her thinking was we've got all this money, and yet it's not showing up on any economic or financial indicator.
So it's like power being bled off an electrical circuit.
Where's it going?
Right.
Well, you know, it's amazing because I've often pointed this out, which is that before your work and Catherine's work came out, most of this research didn't exist.
And this is the fascinating thing.
Or if it existed, it was there in this kind of disconnected form.
And there's something incredible about the advent of your work and Catherine's work coming in and people being able to absorb that.
You know, my own thing about it is I've called it Solari University.
When looking at her stuff.
And then when I think about the incredible things that I've learned in your book series, I mean, it's phenomenal.
It's such a step above the information.
So when I think about the research that I enjoy the most, your stuff, the work of Peter Dale Scott, Catherine Austin Fitz, there's incredible stuff that's available on alternative research beyond anything that you will find in any kind of mainstream research.
So, regardless of the things that happen underneath, Around alternative research that aren't so great.
There's this incredible block of work.
And one of the fascinating things is from someone like me who studied Steiner in anthroposophy.
Well, Catherine Austin Fitz had someone on talking about.
Yes, I mean, that's amazing to me.
So I'm like, wow, well, now she's moving into that.
I can't wait to see her.
She's been there for a very long time.
I think, you know, I can't speak for those other researchers, but.
When I got started with all of this, I made a deliberate decision early on that if it took off, I was going to try to bring some sort of academic standard to this right off the bat.
Because, quite frankly, I just get tired of reading books with no footnotes.
Some of the information is good, but golly, where do you find it?
Yeah, absolutely.
Olivia, you're up.
Okay.
Science Churchill would like to know both of your thoughts on Ingo Swan's book, Penetration.
Oh, wow.
It's a great book.
It's an amazing book.
I haven't read it.
Oh, I'll send you a copy, actually.
Okay.
I think Ingo was one of the best psychics that ever hit.
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I think he was utilized heavily by intelligence groups, and sometimes we don't know even who some of those groups were when he was remote viewing the moon.
There's definitely a sense of humor in his work, too, which sometimes plays on the entertainment thing, but I think there's a lot to be gained.
And basically, the question I think is heading towards this, Joseph.
He was remote viewing large scale activity, large scale groups operating on the moon, doing physical labor and large towers and things.
And how viable do you think that is?
I tend to think that, number one, there is certainly a lot of evidence that there are artificial structures there.
I mean, just think of the Blair cuspids.
Mm hmm.
Not to mention all the stuff that Hoagland has been doing over the years, and now other people have jumped onto that bandwagon.
I also don't think it entirely impossible that there are groups of people there.
And the reason I say that is just by parity of reasoning.
If you set up a secret space program to research exotic UFO like technology, and If you set up a hidden system of finance to fund it, and this is done in 1947, it's now been decades that this has gone on.
Yeah.
And I can't imagine that with that kind of money and the talent pool available, you haven't been able to achieve anything.
Right.
So, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody's already up there, you know, mining or doing whatever.
I think all of the.
All of the articles and stories that we have about space and going to the moon and mining it, I think this is more just to prepare people for something that's already probably been happening.
You know, the Germans now want to put a 4G mobile telephone network on the moon.
Well, why do you need a telephone network on the moon?
Oh, maybe so people there can phone home, you know.
No one does better geopolitical analysis on Germany than you.
You're definitely.
He's got some kind of an interesting simpatico going on there.
Well, you know, I've always been fascinated.
I grew up around Germans.
You know, I play the organ.
My teacher was a German.
My godmother was German.
You know, they're interesting people.
Just don't put a helmet on them.
All right.
We'll take the final round of questions now.
This is Clemens.
Brandenburg talks about a nuclear explosion on Mars, which destroys Mars and some sort of civilization.
Does this connect with Joseph's cosmic war?
Oh, yes, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I know Dr. Brandenburg.
We've met a couple of times.
We've spoken at a couple of conferences together.
We've spoken privately.
Dr. Brandenburg is in a very unique position to make a case like that because his whole field, his specialty, is nuclear plasma.
So, you know, he knows the ins and outs of nuclear explosions and other nuclear reactions.
What got him started on that line of thinking was the heavy presence of xenon 129 in the Martian atmosphere.
And xenon 129, so far as we know, is only produced in a nuclear explosion.
Now, the difficulty there, as far as I can tell, is that.
It's produced as a byproduct of a fission reaction, in other words, splitting the atom.
What he's talking about in terms of wiping out Martian civilization is a thermonuclear explosion.
In other words, a really large hydrogen bomb, which would lead to a very different set of chemical residues.
So I'm not quite sure how he makes the connection between the two or even if he does.
But yeah, I think it's a highly plausible hypothesis.
My own hypothesis is.
Rather, that if we're dealing with an ancient civilization with an interplanetary capability, hydrogen bombs are probably like firecrackers.
They're child's play.
I think you can make a case for much more exotic and much more sophisticated weapons.
And you certainly have indicators that something like an exotic weapon may have been used on Mars with the Vale Marineris, that big Grand Canyon like feature.
That's a big scar right across the face of the southern hemisphere of Mars, almost along the equator.
That looks to me like a fantastically powerful sort of electrical arc of some sort scoured that out.
And you find similar things, incidentally, on the moon, although on a much smaller scale.
So, yeah, I think it has a lot to do with cosmic war.
Fascinating.
That's a great book, too.
It's incredible work.
Okay, last question.
Last question.
It better be a good one.
Oh, actually, everybody wants to know both of your book lists for further study.
Well, I had one right here.
This one for further study.
This is Joseph's book.
That is Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations.
This is foundational material.
And Joseph's book, Cosmic War.
Cosmic War.
On these topics, I would say Cosmic War.
Read the Nazi series of books, which is a lot of them, but it takes a long time to tell that story.
The Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations book is part of a kind of a mini series within my books.
The first one in that series is a book called Saucers, Swastikas, and Psyops.
It's an overlooked but important book.
Then Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations, and then Covert Wars and Clash of Civilizations are the three books in that kind of little mini series.
But for a list of books, we'd be here all night.
The easiest thing to do would be just to go to my website, GizaDeathStar.com, and then click on the About tab, and it will pull up kind of a short little bio of me, and then it will list my books in the order that they were published, which is more or less the order I intended them to be read in.
You can read them in any order that you want, but I did kind of, I do have a kind of a.
Plan in my noggin of how the books are laid out.
If you want to go close to the edge, also in this realm of information, try Cosmic Memory by Rudolf Steiner because that gets into a kind of a deeper etheric aspect of what's going on.
And then Peter Dale Scott's work, The American Deep State, is a political, hardcore political book that you would need.
I was trying to think of my favorite book of yours, Joseph.
There's so many.
And what's interesting to me is you did a book, Thrice Great Hermetica, that contains so many elements.
It's got Christopher Columbus, it has Akhenaten, it has the early travels to America, it has gold, music.
It is such an interesting book.
And when we did a video called The Akhenaten Prophecy on that book, And it's over and over again, people tell me it's one of their favorite interviews of yours.
So I highly recommend that book as another one I would throw out there.
And certainly, if you study things about the deep state and the Kennedy assassination, this book is incredible Joseph Farrell's book on LBJ.
And I know that you had to actually put this out on a timetable.
So it's oh boy, it's I got a call from David Childress in 2010.
And I was intending to do an LBJ Kennedy book eventually.
Yeah.
But he calls me up and he says, Hey, can you do this book for me?
The author I had lined up to do it backed out.
And I said, Yeah, when do you need it?
And he says, In a month.
Oh, geez.
Thanks, David.
So I literally lived at my computer and.
It works.
Since you mentioned Hoagland, I'll put a plug in for the reissue with all the extra material of Dark Mission.
Oh, yes, absolutely.
Dark Mission and Monuments of Mars.
Right.
Incredible work, I think.
And there is an online book, which is Catherine's book, which is Dylan Reed and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits.
Yep.
It's had so many problems getting published because of the explosive nature of the book that you could just read it.
Oh, boy.
If you want to go really deep, go right there and read it.
Yeah.
She made it free.
Well, how easy is that?
Ah, yeah.
Well, yeah, she does that.
If they cross her, she just makes it free.
So I'm going to do, because you said the book list, though, a wild card.
Give us a wild card book by an author that you respect.
Oh, golly.
It can be a wild card.
A wild card book of an author I respect.
You would ask something like that and make me think.
Gosh, there's so many, it depends on the subject.
There's so many, um, yes, in this field.
Oh, golly!
Well, you could take your pick of any book by Jim Mars.
Um, oh, yes, incredible work.
Uh, I have a book by Terry Galanoi that was written in the 1980s called The Great Credit Card Conspiracy.
That's a really eye opening book.
Whoa, yeah, uh, that's an eye opener.
Um Golly, I've got to look.
There's the grand.
There's just so many.
Paul LaViolette, Secrets of Anti Gravity Propulsion.
Excellent book.
Definitely worth the read.
You know, he was there at the Secret Space Conference with us in Bastrop.
And I can't praise that book highly enough.
There's just so many out there, you know.
Carol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope.
Oh, wow.
James Billington, Fire in the Minds of Men, which is kind of, I always view it as kind of the precursor to tragedy and hope, you know, by the Librarian of Congress.
And it's all about conspiracy theory.
But golly.
Wow.
Yeah, there's a lot.
I would throw one out there Jim Keith, Mind Control, World Control.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
What is a strange and ahead of its time book?
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
Incredible.
Yeah.
I know that Catherine brought up a book and I had read it before I got it.
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And I can't think of the name of it, but it's I'm actually struggling with the guy's name, Tenny.
I think his name was Mac Tawny's.
That's it.
Oh, yes.
The book is about those crypto terrestrials.
Terrestrials.
Excellent.
Short work.
It's a thin little book, but it approaches the whole ET thing from an entirely different angle.
Yeah.
And sadly, he passed away.
Very young.
Very young.
Yeah.
Very young.
Last question.
Science Churchill again.
UFOs around chemtrails.
Any thoughts?
That's a tough one.
Actually, I think that you've given the floor to Science Churchill.
Give me another question.
That's such a good question.
I'll let Joseph answer that.
Okay.
Does Joseph know of any government programs to initiate communication with ETs?
Well, there's the SETI project, obviously, but to initiate communication, that's, let me put it this way.
In Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations, I did a chapter on crop circles and what I think they are and how they're formed.
And I think that you might make a case that some of those are attempts to communicate.
With them.
But you'd have to read it carefully to understand why I argue that.
Chemtrails and UFOs, that's interesting.
I don't know of any UFO reports directly connecting a UFO with a chemtrail operation.
However, I do think that Eliana Freeman, is that her name?
Freeman?
Elana Freeman.
And Freeland, yeah, that writes about the space fence in connection with chemtrails.
I do absolutely believe that she is onto something because I myself have advanced the hypothesis on a couple of occasions that what they're trying to do is change the electrical conductivity of the atmosphere for defense purposes.
That could be almost anything.
So it's an interesting question, and it may be related to the UFO.
Eventually, I want to do a book about what I think chemtrails are.
And I do think that there's a space connection.
So I'll just leave it at that.
Fascinating.
It sounds like an Atlantean crystal disaster in the making.
Yep.
But I will say this about chemtrails, and I've interviewed Alana about the space fence here, and one of the Things that she gets into on that is about how UFOs are taking on plasma.
Yes.
And that's in the whole atmosphere of that.
So that is fascinating.
And the fact that she has a broad enough palette to go into both sides, you know, question, and which I don't think most people who are into the geoengineering side are so interested in the UFO thing.
So for her to take on both sides, I think is incredible.
And the Space Fence book is remarkable.
I have one final question.
Has Dr. Farrell ever seen a UFO?
Yes.
Yeah.
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One time.
I wrote about that in, I think, Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations.
In fact, I put a.
Photocopy of the little drawing I made in one of my notebooks, and I can't even find the notebook anymore.
But I had a sighting when I was living in Spearfish, South Dakota.
I'm usually up until the very wee hours of the morning, dawn usually.
And I would go late at night, around two or three in the morning, down to a little 24 hour convenience store that was right off the campus of Black Hills State University.
And You know, I would walk and think and you know, watch the deer and the cougars and the mountain lions and the bears and other things that came into town at night and try to avoid them.
But, um, on my way back one night, uh, Spearfish sits just to the east of uh Crow's Peak, which is a big 6,000 foot tall mountain just this side of the South Dakota Wyoming state line.
So, you know, there's a big black shadow, and then the stars are out.
And I looked up and I saw this strobing thing.
I don't know what to call it.
It was just a strobing thing that zipped behind the mountain real fast.
And I didn't think anything about it for a couple of seconds.
And I walked on and I thought, oh, I've just seen a UFO.
Wow.
Because there was no sound of a helicopter.
It was moving far too fast for a helicopter.
There were no sounds of jet engines.
It was just this.
Strobing thing.
Wow.
You know, it's amazing.
It's kind of like that thing of when it actually happens to you.
I remember this day I was walking down the street and I bumped into this guy who turned out to be Charlie Fultz.
And the way that he was talking about this abduction scenario that he had.
And it's so interesting when you actually, it changes the way that you look at the entire phenomenon when you've seen it or when you think you've been abducted or whatever it happens to be.
It's a different type of experience than when you go back to read about it.
So it is something that happens to you.
And I know some pretty incredible people who've had those sightings.
And I think it changes how they view the entire topic.
It does.
Because for me, it had always been kind of hypothetical.
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Right.
And what grabbed me about it was I wasn't even aware at the time I was actually seeing it.
I had to walk on a couple of steps, you know, and then realize, oh, that's what it was.
Well, Joseph, it's so great to have you here.
Those were excellent questions, everyone.
Thank you so much for joining us.
Just extraordinary.
Probably the best episode with Dr. Farrell.
I can't even imagine.
Just incredible subjects and tackling incredible subject matter.
So thank you so much.
Thanks for having me back.
Send me the link when you get it up so I can put it in my members' area because I'm sure they'll want to listen or watch or whatever.
Yes, absolutely.
And we're going to have you back soon because there's so many issues to tackle, but people can get your latest book, which is Hess and the Penguins, at GizaDeathStar.com, which is a fabulous, incredible, and eye opening book.
There's a lot of bombshells in there.
Oh, yeah.
And you're working on a new one.
I am working on a new one.
I am planning to start writing it after the organ arrives, which I'm hoping and praying will be sometime in the next month.
Hey, it's coming.
Oh, well, so they keep saying.
Yeah, I want to get started writing it.
I've been writing it in my head, you know, like you do.
You start writing things in your head.
So I'm kind of figuring out how I'm.
It's going to be a hard book because it's going to be.
Both about some very ancient things and some very modern ones.
And it's going to be a very hard book to write on this subject the way I think it should be approached.
Whenever you do a book, it's an event.
And we're definitely looking forward to it.
Well, try writing them.
Yeah, they're events, all right.
The house goes to pot.
By the end of the process, I end up having to rake the living room and all sorts of stuff.
Incredible.
But we'll talk to you soon.
Whenever we have you here, it's an event.
And thanks so much for being on, especially live.
And thanks, everyone, for being here with me and Joseph.
And Olivia, thank you for handling all the great questions that we got tonight.
Thank you, everybody.
Yep.
Thank you, folks.
And we'll talk soon.
Joseph will be in touch really soon and a lot to talk about.
All right.
Bye bye.
All right.
Have a great one.
Yep.
You too.
Bye bye.
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