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Tim Rehashes Prayer Stories00:13:26
You know who Tom O'Neill is who wrote the Chaos book?
Of course.
Have you heard of him?
I watched your episode.
What did you think about that story he told?
About Manson?
About Made Perfect Sense.
That was before I met Manson.
And so he had met a different Manson because he met the Manson that was like, you know, into doing some wild stuff.
That's the Manson I would want to meet.
I don't really, that's like, I don't like it.
I feel like that with all musicians too.
Even like Gucci Man, I want the Gucci, the old Gucci before he went to prison when he was.
Up on drugs all the time.
See, I liked both.
I like the old Gucci and I like the old Manson, but I'm happy that they're healthy now and that they're getting good music.
I still think Gucci's putting out good music.
This record is one of my favorites of his.
But yeah, I mean, 90s Manson is peak art for me.
That's how I grew up on that stuff.
But his band is amazing.
He's got the drummer from Dillinger Escape Plan.
Is that that young dude?
Gil Sharon, I think his name, on drums.
He played on IR Works on Dillinger.
Amazing drummer.
So live, this band is insane.
It's the heaviest he sounded.
Really?
It's like the 90s Manson, but now with people from bands that I listened to 10 years ago that were bigger than that scene with Horsa Band and Dillinger and all that good stuff.
I love it.
Yeah, he looks great.
He definitely looks skinnier.
It was a great show.
Yeah, he killed it live.
I was really impressed.
And the audience, it was like, I think I saw his second show back after everything that's happened, and he's been silent the whole time.
So, yeah, that story Tom told just sounded like.
Like a dream come true, you know.
Like, I wouldn't need to, my life would be complete after doing drinking tequila and doing coke with Manson all night.
It's like the perfect, the perfect way to meet Matt Manson.
Probably before like the real downfall he went through with everything.
Like, they just attacked this dude ruthlessly for years.
And I don't know, he Manson's the guy who kind of taught me at a young age to not trust the media, you know, like how they came after him.
I'm 39.
When I was in eighth grade, Columbine happened.
And all of a sudden, I'm like, this person I listen to all the time is now like this devil in the news.
I'm like, But they're portraying him in a totally different way.
So from there, I'm like, well, I can't trust these people.
These talking heads are trying to sell me an idea that this person, who I find his art interesting and engaging, that he's this demon who made these kids kill people, which is fake.
So do you think this is peak Manson, or do you think it's.
That's tough because I think there are different eras of peak Manson.
I love Mechanical Animals, I love Superstar, I love Portrait of American Family.
They're all really good.
There's some moments in there where we're not peak, we'll say that.
There were some times I'm like, there's good songs, but the albums weren't great, but this is a really good album.
I love this new album.
I was listening to it on the way here.
I'm going to have to give it another shot.
It's great.
It's heavy.
It's huge choruses.
And he's saying something.
It's his way.
I was upset for a while because I was writing about him during this whole.
Oh, were you?
When they were trying to just cancel him, whatever.
The Devil Rachel Woods stuff.
Is that when he sobered up during that whole period?
I think so, yeah.
Probably sometime after they came after him.
I was thinking, why isn't this guy the best at coming out and just speaking his mind and putting everyone down?
And he was quiet the whole time.
I was upset.
And I'm like, you know, I think now in retrospect, his art is his greatest weapon.
And that's what this is.
Like it's not, it might not be so blatant saying, you know, screw these people, you know, this and that.
But he is definitely speaking out against everything that happened to him and all these other people I'm sure he knows that's happened to, you know, yeah.
And he survived it.
What was the out, what was the actual outcome of it?
Because there's been no like big reporting on it since it's ended.
Cause it's like they settled all the headlines happened when he got accused and then it kind of just fizzled out.
She won in the court of public opinion, but she's a total liar fraud.
You know, like she Evan Rachel Wood.
Yeah.
She, uh, she forged an FBI letter to get like, which eventually got to his house being raided.
They took all his stuff in LA.
Um, and she, she like kidnapped her own kid, right?
from her father and took him to Tennessee because of Manson.
Cause she was telling the kid, like, this guy's going to get us.
So she was creating a boogeyman for her little kid, which is abuse, in my opinion.
The kid's never met him.
You know, he has no idea who Manson is, but he's drawing pictures of this like monster that his mom is telling him about.
Jesus Christ.
At the end, I think he won.
It's just in the court of public opinion, it's kind of like how it's always been for him.
Right.
He did not win.
You can never win.
Like you've always lost once you had to go through that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But no, he seems awesome.
The live shows are great, dude.
I highly recommend it.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
I don't know if they're touring down here, but that'd be sick if they did.
This is his home area, right?
He was in Florida for a while.
Yeah, Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Yeah, after Ohio, he went to Florida.
Yeah.
You know what's funny?
Did you see the guy out in the lobby repairing the computer?
I did, yeah.
You want to hear a funny story?
His dad was the manager of a furniture store in Fort Lauderdale and worked with Manson's dad at the furniture store.
No way.
They were both furniture salesmen.
His dad sounded like a wild dude, too.
Like dressing up like in kiss outfits and stuff.
You know, like, this is why we got Manson, because his dad was like, like in the KISS ARMY right right, right.
That's hilarious.
Yeah, I love that, but yeah no, it's sick.
Um, but I think I think what happens now is like the fans understood what happened and like they've been through so many cycles of uh, whatever you want to call.
I hate the word cancel.
I hate cancelization.
It's just a dumb word now.
It's like watered down, like all these other words in the news.
But he's been through it for so long and through the all the battles that uh, you know he, he won, he's still.
He's like selling out tours now and killing it, killing it, Europe in Europe and all this stuff.
So how, how did uh For people that don't know you, you started working with Tim Poole a few years ago.
And so you're like a journalist, sort of like a music journalist.
And then you started participating in the podcast.
And then you did a piece on Kanye.
Yeah, I've done a little bit of everything.
Sort of like a bio thing on Kanye?
That was crazy.
I was a professor for a while, like for almost 10 years.
I taught English and journalism and stuff like that.
And I was also freelancing at the time as a music journalist and all types of stuff.
I wrote about history and whatnot.
I wrote for Pitchfork a few times.
And so I was kind of just doing everything and not political stuff at all.
But then like when lockdowns happened, I felt like I was going to puke if I didn't actually say what I was experiencing in New York, where I had a governor who was like a genocidal maniac, murdering all these old people.
So I had to say something and then I kind of like losing my job.
I can't be professor anymore because I'm refusing to get the shot they want me to take, all these things.
And so I quit and I had nothing lined up.
But I had forgotten like six months prior, I applied to something that Tim said, right?
And he had a show at night.
And I didn't tune all the time, but I tuned in one day.
I'm like, oh, he's asking for a writer who does exactly what I was doing.
Because I did a little bit of everything true crime, weird conspiracy stuff, music, a little bit of all that.
And so after I quit this professor job, a week or two later, Tim hit me up.
I thought it was fake.
I was like, I'm so desperate.
I'm going to just go to West Virginia.
I forgot West Virginia was a state.
I was like, that's a real thing.
So I went down to West Virginia and I was hired that day.
And so I started off just doing the Inverted World show, but it was like a serialized show.
Stories, you know, true stories about different events, you know, conspiracies, ghost stories, paranormal stuff.
That kind of morphed into books.
And then that morphed into like me doing the weekly show.
But throughout all that, I just had all these crazy opportunities because Kanye came by that, what was it?
Like December, no, November 2022.
And it didn't go well.
People probably remember.
He walked out of the studio.
Tim was like, I don't know what he was saying, but Kanye was not feeling it.
And he got up and walked out.
I happened to be there because Tim told me the day prior that was going to happen.
And I've been like a giant Kanye fan.
I wouldn't be a Kanye fan if I wasn't for a Manson fan.
Right.
Because I see them as very similar.
Yeah, for sure.
They're both like, you know, testing the zeitgeist constantly.
So I was there and he walked down after he walked out of the studio and I was right there and I tried to get him to go back upstairs.
I was like, yo, people want to know what you're talking about.
Like I believe what you're saying.
Like it's crazy, but it's like go up there and just tell people what you're saying.
Cause you know, it'd be great.
He was like not into it.
And then I'm like, I can tell by his body language.
He just doesn't want to talk about that.
That is done now.
Whatever was upstairs in the studio.
Yeah.
Why did he actually walk out?
It was something about like I think Tim was rehashing.
Conversations he had had about, you know, like the contracts and the Jewish lawyers that he had had all week long about like Lex Freeman, and I think he was like rehashing that, and Kanye kept saying, like I don't want to talk about something like that.
I forget exactly what it was, but uh, when he left um, you know, that's where the whole, the whole thing like who was they, though?
Came from that conversation uh, so it was like it was a pretty wild time and uh, he came downstairs and i'm like, all right, let's just talk about music.
So we talked about music.
Real quick, I brought up his opera that no one talks about, which is a great, he wrote a great opera.
And he invited me to LA.
And I went out to LA and then I spent the weekend with him going to church.
Going to church?
Went to church, went to Bible study.
The first day we were at the Yeezy headquarters because I was just going to profile him.
And I thought it was just going to be the one day.
And I've been a fan of his for so long.
Like in June of that year, I just tweeted out, like, I'm going to interview Kanye one day.
And then a few months later, it just happened.
It was very bizarre.
The CIA might be behind it.
I don't know.
Like who knows how this happened.
But I was out there for the day and we had a great conversation about politics, religion, parenthood.
And it was like funny because the whole world was on fire.
Because this is like the day after he was on Alex Jones and said, I love Hitler.
So now the whole world's on fire.
I'm in the airport as he's saying that.
And people are telling me not to go.
And I'm like, there's no way I'm not going.
Like, this is important to me, but I want to hear from him, like, what's this all about?
Yeah.
I think my whole interpretation was it's like Andy Kaufman.
You know, I think he means a lot of this stuff, but I know he was Andy Kaufman.
He was like a great performative comedian.
Comedian's kind of like not the best word for him.
He was on SNL for a while.
But he did a lot of, he was known for like.
Where like he doesn't acknowledge that he's doing, like he's performing.
He just kind of like leans into it and says it's real.
Yeah.
No one really knew if it was a business.
Twitter nasty.
Oh, this is, this has nothing.
This is old stuff.
Is that Andy Kaufman from the past?
Yeah.
That must be Andy Kaufman's ashes.
I love Andy Kaufman.
So, and I knew Kanye liked Andy Kaufman.
So I wanted to go and get his perspective on it.
So it was like funny though.
The whole world's on fire because of him.
You know, Elon had just banned him off Twitter.
All these things were happening.
But inside that headquarters, it was like totally normal.
Everything's fine.
We were laughing, talking about art.
Really?
And it was just like, I think.
I think there's more to this.
You know, I think he's definitely coming from a place of honesty with a lot of it, but a lot of it's also like, I want to push every possible button right now and see what happens, you know?
Which is reminding me of like a mantle.
Did he acknowledge this?
Yeah.
When I asked him about that, I said, Is this Andy Kaufman?
He said, It's Andy Kaufman and Bruce Lee together.
So we had a good talk, and then he invited me to go to church the next day.
And I didn't think that was actually going to happen, but he sent me the address, and I showed up.
He shows up all alone.
Oh, with two guys.
He had a driver and a homeless man that he picked up off the street who he called his.
Biblical scholar and uh, straight up, this dude, biblical scholar, this dude had like a jungle water, biblical biblical scholar, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh, we sat next to both those guys in church, and then and then uh, we wrote some lyrics and we just had a good time, and I thought that was it.
And then I went home and wrote my story, and uh, you know, people were not happy.
Some people who were like, this guy, you know, is an anti Semite for even talking to Kanye West.
You're an anti Semite, there's like a media matter, aren't you Jewish?
Yeah, I was raised Jewish, I'm Christian now, but I was raised Jewish, that's why I was talking to him out there because I'm like, you know, my experience growing up.
I had a Catholic dad and a Jewish mother, so I was raised like a real messed up, you know?
And I'm like, what you're talking about with a lot of people is so foreign to how I grew up, like poor on a farm.
But I also understand what you're saying because there's a lot of people in the industry who have power who treat you wrong.
But I'm just trying to say it's also like this as well.
But at the time, I was actually really thinking about being baptized.
And I had been since.
Oh, yeah.
After years of being militantly atheist.
Wow.
Oh, yeah.
Christianity is in vogue right now, man.
It is.
It's really, what's the Zoolander line?
It's really in right now.
Podcast hosts are getting baptized left and right on Instagram.
I actually brought my holy water.
We can do it in person.
Oh, did you really?
I don't know.
I had a guy bring holy oil in here one time.
But I was thinking about. being baptized at that point and for a year prior to me meeting Kanye, I'd done a podcast with a friend of mine and I mostly talked about how I don't know how to pray.
And I was really interested in praying.
And I didn't know how I felt like a fraud praying.
And after years and years of just straight up mocking God all the time, like, you know, it's just like an atheist and just didn't know any better.
And that's, you know, it's whatever.
But the atheism was a form of religion.
Yes.
And when I went to Kanye, it was funny because when I got home, the stories published, I thought that was it with Kanye.
He would call me all the time.
So we were on the phone now like constantly every day, multiple times a day.
And what he wants me to do is to help him write prayers.
So it was hilarious to me that after a year of me like publicly saying like I want help writing prayers and knowing how to pray, now he's like, we're writing prayers.
And he's like, we're like, it's like a creative writing workshop where I'm texting him prayers and he's texting back criticisms of how to make this better, stronger prayers.
And like we would do that and like write lyrics.
So, you know, it was, it was profound for me just because I was already in the mindset of like religion being important to me all of a sudden because I wanted, I knew I wanted my kids to have some religion.
Kanye Wants Me To Write Prayers00:03:28
Really?
I was like, oh yeah, even though I was like.
I was like, I don't need it, but I want my kids to have it.
So I felt like the moral structure of society was disintegrating and they needed some kind of foundation to inherit the future that's going to be depraved.
And all futures, you know, it's always depraved.
The world is like a crazy world and you're always going to have, you know, bad things out there.
But for me and my wife, we were like, religion is going to be like an anchor for them.
So I took it seriously for them at first.
And then for me, it became serious.
I took it more seriously like later on.
So yeah, it was a weird turn of events.
So like I do all those.
in terms of like the stories and writing with Tim, you know, the Kanye thing was like such a different change of pace from all the inverted world stuff.
Right.
It was like, why is Shane even going to LA to talk to Kanye?
It made no sense, right?
To anyone else I was working with, unless they knew I was a Kanye fan, because it wasn't like a ghost story.
It wasn't aliens.
It wasn't anything.
Right.
But it was like the perfect story for me.
And it gave me a lot of opportunities after that to then write a lot of different profiles of people in politics and outside of politics and the music that were really like awesome to do.
You know, I got to talk to MIA and, uh, Billy Corgan, stuff like that, and then politicians and whatnot, which are not as much fun in my opinion because they're liars.
Yeah, it was interesting to see his, the little video he did with academics where he like showed up at the hotel and he just seemed like a totally normal guy.
And then all of a sudden he's like, hold on, let me get my costume out of my backpack.
That was a perfect example of Andy Kaufman because if you watch that interview, he shows up, it's super normal, like how I was explaining in the Yeezy headquarters.
And then he tells academics, I'll be right back.
And if you look at that exact moment, he looks at the camera and smiles, he smirks.
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Uh, yeah.
And your kid's name is.
Please don't share that with the internet.
Bro, the internet already knows.
That's my point.
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Can you un Google it?
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And you're like, oh, wow.
It's funny to him.
And he comes out, and it's like a Kirby Enthusiasm episode.
Yeah.
He comes out, and it's like Larry Davis complaining about.
Oh, the hood in my Klansmen outfit.
It's hiding my swastika chain.
CIA Magicians Control Minds00:09:15
Yeah, yeah.
And he puts on Tim's.
You know, it's hilarious.
The only thing I'll say is different with Andy Kaufman is you never knew when he was being honest.
I do think Kanye is saying things he does probably believe.
The Twitter is a different story because I think he's just pushing every, like, nuclear button at the same time.
But he definitely has issues with these people in the industry and, like, the way he sees, you know, the things operating behind the scenes with Kendrick and the Super Bowl and, like, how you take out these celebrities.
Because when I was with him, we were talking a lot about Prince and Michael Jackson.
And he was worried that that was his future, right?
Oh, really?
And they were both kind of.
In my opinion, and his murdered, right?
Like, Prince was given fentanyl.
He didn't know it was fentanyl.
He thought it was taking a painkiller.
And that person, I don't think they even found that person.
You know, and Michael Jackson's doctor went to jail for like two years.
Right.
For giving him propofol.
Propofol, yeah.
You know, and Kanye, having had that experience of being put away years prior, really put him into ideas like MKUltra.
Yeah.
Having a hand.
You know, that crazy story with that dude, Harley?
Pastor Nash.
Yeah.
It was like his trainer.
And he's like a trainer for a lot of clubs.
His messages were fucking spooky, dude.
I would.
As a father, I would not take that lightly.
Like, it was, he was threatening your family.
Oh, yeah.
And, and you're like, you know, Kanye's play dates will never be the same.
Insane.
And it's kind of what happened.
Like, I'll say, like, it is kind of what happened.
Kanye didn't make it easy for himself by doing certain things, you know, when it comes to the family and stuff, because it's easy for them to play that against him, be like, see, like, he's, he's crazy and stuff like that.
So it's like hard, you know, I have issues sometimes with some, some of the things he does in terms of sacrificing the innocence of his children, you know, with things that he brings around them.
And, you know, What is the story with that Harley guy?
Is he just some personal trainer or what?
Do we know what his background is?
He's like a Canadian handler.
A Canadian handler?
From what I understand, yeah, I don't know too much about him, but I know he kind of oversees lots of celebrities.
I think Justin Bieber's one of them as well.
And a lot of these people who you see under his umbrella have issues, like big time.
Like Bieber's, and I don't know what his deal is, but people are saying he's like MKUltra now.
I think it's possible, you know?
I think it's totally possible.
They go after celebrities, they create celebrities, they drug celebrities, you know?
What was it?
Weird Scenes from Laurel Canyon?
Did you ever read that one?
No.
It's a good book to read after you've read something like Chaos.
Oh, okay.
What's it called?
Weird?
I think it's Weird or Wild Scenes from Laurel Canyon.
And I'm going to say it's not really well written, but it's got great information and interesting connections.
And it's all about how basically the counterculture was created in Laurel Canyon from the Mamas and the Papas, Frank Zappa, and how a lot of them might have been CIA connections.
Weird, weird scenes inside the canyon.
I think the author's gone now, unfortunately.
Mm hmm.
But it's good.
People like talking about this a lot when they come up when they talk about chaos.
It's not as well written as chaos is like a masterpiece.
I love that book.
But this is really good to read after that.
And also read with like Poisoner in Chief.
That's a great book as well.
Yeah.
Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops, and the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream.
Yeah.
And they talk about like creating characters out of actors.
I forget.
I forget the guy's name now.
There was one actor who was like the first guy to be arrested for having weed in like the 50s or 60s.
I'm forgetting his name.
Some kind of like, you know, he was a megastar.
Yeah.
But in the book, they talk about how.
This is all pre planned because they want to create a certain type of vibe for this guy, right?
Because it's like, how do we make him look like a bad guy in the public?
And so, you know, and it goes into a lot of connections with like Morrison's father, you know, and Vietnam and stuff like that.
And Zappa's father, I think he was like a bio warfare type guy or some kind of chemical warfare guy.
Holy shit.
There's weird connections, and you can just be like, well, there's coincidences, you know?
Yeah.
I don't really believe in a lot of coincidences, especially when it comes to this stuff.
Yeah.
Because we know they pump out these people.
Like, like Laurel Canyon, after you read this book, sounds like it was an assembly line.
And also, uh, Mountain Look Observatory is up there.
What that's where they say they filmed the moon landing.
It's like a giant CIA underground headquarters, it's huge.
Jared Leto owns it.
Mountain Wood, Mountain Look, I think.
I think it's Mountain Look Observatory.
Is that what Bart told us?
Where they said Bart said it was somewhere in Nevada, I think maybe.
I don't remember.
Whatever he said, it was the name of some Air Force base.
Whatever goes on there, they say like tens of thousands of propaganda films were.
Pushed out of this place and uh, and like major stars would go there and uh, hang out, and no one really, I don't know, like, I don't know what came out of it, you know, but that it's there, dude.
I saw a photo yesterday of um, Stanley Kubrick in somewhere in Europe where they were filming 2001 Space Odyssey, and he was like walking from the studio to like another building or whatever.
And Jolly West is standing right behind him.
No, no, yeah, find it.
Google Stanley Kubrick, Jolly West.
Holy crap.
I think it was Brent from the dude we had in here last week who made that video.
Oh, that's crazy.
Dude.
I'm seeing that guy show up.
Jolly West is everywhere.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's insane.
Turn on the volume.
I've said this in other lives before.
There's a picture of Stanley Kubrick when he's doing 2001.
And he's in England.
They called the studios NASA East, which is hilarious.
And he's doing his shoot there.
And there's a picture of him walking with a group of guys.
And they have them all identified.
except for one guy behind them.
He's in a row behind them walking.
And that guy that they didn't identify, that has never been identified, is Louis Jolly and West of MKUltra.
And West was a specialist in controlling people, creating cults.
There's a large portion of his information that's never made it out into the public, that he was working a lot with UFO people and witches and Satanists and all that to create those subcultures.
Jolly and West was running one of the free clinics in one of the counterculture areas of San Francisco.
Jolly and West was running it at the time clandestinely, and Manson was there getting treatment with the Manson family.
And so Jolly and West was involved with that.
Jolly and West was involved with Jack Ruby.
Jolly and West was involved with Sirhan Sirhan.
Jolly and West was involved with Whitley Strieber, the UFO guy.
Didn't know that.
Jolly and West was involved with the Stanford Research remote viewing experiments.
Jolly and West was involved with a lot of things, guys, if that's where the moon landing was going.
This guy's.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Brent, he covers all the craziest conspiracies, but he calls out all the bullshit online.
That's good.
Because all of these, like the whole UFO religion that exists and all these other psychedelic religions, he calls out all the crazy just bias that happens online with these people and how stupid it's becoming.
Yeah, people in every industry, including the conspiracy world, want confirmation bias.
So they're willing to accept anything if it confirms their narrative that they want to believe in.
I wonder if Jolly West ultraed the astronauts personally.
Was he alive still?
He might have.
Oh, yeah.
Find out when Jolly West died.
Because those guys look crazy when they came back.
Yeah.
Like, I think they might have ultra-the women who went to fake space yesterday.
1999.
Oh, my goodness.
What?
He lived that long?
That's a lot of people.
That's wild.
Yeah.
Look at it.
That's crazy, dude.
I would love to see.
I haven't read a book on him or anything.
I've just seen what Tom O'Neill has written about him and like the tertiary stuff, you know, Sirhan Sirhan.
I didn't know about Whitley Stryber, but that's a lot.
I had no idea about Whitley Stryber either.
Yeah, these people, these are like the psycho magicians, you know, that the CIA, they talk about it in Poisoner in Chief, you know, when they literally hired magicians to help them figure out how to control people's brains and create illusions, you know, and they did that with the help of hallucinogenics and stuff.
And, you know, Ruby, it's interesting.
Did you see the interview of Jolly West right after he had that meeting with Ruby and he went to prison or whatever?
He came out and he was just like, I have a.
Immediately, I don't know if you can find the actual video of it, it's kind of hard to find, but it was in Tom's new documentary on Netflix.
The new chaos documentary.
I haven't watched it.
Dude, it's so good.
And he comes out and he's basically like, he's mentally unstable and he's unfit for a trial.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
Within three hours of visiting him, he comes out and just basically makes the claim that he's completely unfit and mentally unhealthy.
And they say in the book that he seemed fine up until Jolly showed up.
Right.
Like everything was cool.
And all of a sudden, like, that's why I feel like the scarecrow from Batman is Jolly West.
You know, he goes in and scares these people with some type of drug and then they all of a sudden lose their minds.
Right.
That's what this guy is.
Yeah, man.
It's crazy shit.
Now you've got to think about, like, who's the Jolly West today?
It's not even, it's probably not even a person.
It's just a bunch of things working together to slowly dose you out of your mind.
Nice slow dose out of the sky or whatever they're putting it in your world.
Yeah, they don't need drugs to control minds anymore.
Computers Dose You Out Of Mind00:03:40
They got computers to do that.
They got social media and all this stuff to do all that work for them.
Yeah, they're definitely doing that.
I was the whistleblower from Facebook.
Did you see any of this from yesterday?
They had this crazy whistleblower about Facebook before the Senate.
And she was talking about how Facebook secretly watches, like they can target specific age groups.
And in particular, she was saying Facebook was looking at 17 to 18 year old girls.
And if they delete a selfie, it might mean they're a little depressed.
And they send that data to advertisers because they believe that when you're sad, you're more willing to buy something.
Really?
Yeah.
And like she had this whole thing about it.
Like it's insane, you know?
And like they're just harvesting all the data.
This was just yesterday, she said.
A day or two ago.
Yeah.
Yep.
Wow.
She's saying, and she's, you know, who knows?
I feel like everyone lies when they're testifying, but she's saying that he, you know, Zuckerberg was lying under oath about all that years ago because they're worried about this back in 2018.
Right.
How they target people either individually to censor them or like large groups of people to see if they can sell to advertisers.
Right.
So that's just like one type of group, you know, the young teenagers, young women who seem depressed and they're like, well, they might need this new handbag.
We're going to send this information to this so and so, and they're going to get this ad now.
And they're monitoring it that closely.
That's.
Crazy, dude.
That's dark, dude.
That is dark.
That is very, very dark world.
I don't want my kids to have social media.
No, me neither.
I don't want my kid to have a smartphone.
Yeah, no, for sure.
I'm going to give my kid like a telephone booth.
Telephone booth?
Yeah.
But you're Superman now.
I really, I just don't trust it.
I think it's very harmful.
I think it's, there's like this kind of like small movement of tech companies trying to like dumb down technology to make it more primitive.
Like there's this company that I have this thing right here.
This thing is called a daylight computer.
It's basically like a computer slash iPad.
Yeah.
And there's like, there's no blue light in it at all.
I like that.
So, like, the blue light really fucks up the chemicals in your brain when you do it.
And it's super addictive.
It's like a dopamine slot machine, like when you're staring at a phone.
And this thing has none of it.
It's only like the red, amber light.
And it's like really good for reading.
So, like, if I sit up at night and I will read a PDF or read a Kindle book on this thing, I literally am asleep within 30 minutes.
I can't sit up and read, like, with a Kindle or with a phone, you can sit up for hours and scroll through stuff.
And next thing you know, it's one in the morning.
I'm not even doing this.
The red light.
Yeah, it's not it's not as good.
Yeah, it helps No, it definitely helps addicted and I'm like a crazy person all this stuff and Yeah, it definitely has helped but like I prefer that's awesome Yeah, dude.
This thing's incredible and there's also companies that are selling like phones that are like super dumbed down with like no connection and like you know the only calls and texts I just keep telling my wife we're gonna be Amish I'm slowly removing every piece of technology from my house until we're she wakes up and we're Amish like welcome back to the past Like I grew up on a farm dude without like anything I mean we had things, but we didn't have it.
I didn't have a computer growing up.
Yeah, didn't have We had a TV at a certain point, but that even that TV only had a few channels.
So I'm like, I realized I have like weird Luddite capabilities like in me already, just from like not having air conditioning, not having internet, and like having to have special permission to like handwrite my essays to hand into the school because they're like, oh, Shane, poor Shane doesn't have a computer to put on.
So like, my chicken scratch is now being handed in.
And like, I, uh, so like I learned about computers way later than everyone else.
Like, obviously, you know, I go to friends' houses and be like, oh, wow, it's cool.
I can use Napster here or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm reading magazines and stuff.
I know what's going on.
I wasn't.
Silicon Valley Ethics Shift00:15:58
Completely under a rock, but pretty under a rock.
But like, I just see so many positives come out of this stuff, but I think the negative stuff outweighs the positives, especially when you're seeing kids who are raised in that world.
And like, I think it's good that they're trying to dumb down technology and get it back to its core, but there's so many kids who are trapped in like this fake digital life means more to them than their real life, which is why I think we have more nihilism today and people with meaninglessness.
And there's like, you know, violence is a human.
It's always been here.
But there just seems to be like a different type of recklessness and nihilism today.
Yeah.
With kids, like they're, you know, killing themselves by accident making selfies.
Yeah.
It's all for the digital, you know, for the likes and stuff.
And knowing that those companies like Facebook, I was just telling you, then take advantage of that.
So they're, they're like steering you, which is then what you were saying, MKUltra, but we're MKUltraing ourselves.
Yeah.
But like, is it, is it futile to try to fight it or is this just the way we go?
Because like fundamentally, like with human beings, We are human beings because of technology.
Yeah.
Like if it wasn't for fire, we wouldn't look the way we look today.
Right.
You know what I mean?
I don't want to be anti-tech because I love that we get to do this.
Yeah.
This is amazing.
I got to fly here.
You know, if I drove here, it would be 24 hours.
Yeah.
This is amazing.
I'm not anti-tech.
And I think that's the Luddites kind of get a bad rap because they're not really, they weren't anti-tech either.
They were anti being, they were anti like the tyranny of mass autonomy.
So like they were using the technology of the day in 1810 or 1811, like the weavers, you know, to make textiles.
But when factories were being built and being filled with those machines and displacing those people's jobs is when they started attacking the machinery.
So they weren't technically anti tech.
And I feel like, although I'm against the violence aspect, I'm against being autonomated out of work.
And that's going to happen across the world.
So it's inevitable.
It is futile.
I just think it's going to come down to society having more ethics built into it, but it's going to be on an individual level because the companies that are doing it, like Facebook, like Google, like all these places, ethics aren't a thing.
They're working directly, like Zuckerberg, they're saying in that whistleblower thing the other day, he's working directly with China.
To build a censorship regime and they're censoring people, Zuckerberg, yeah, for years.
They called it a censorship regime and they called the person over what who was it, the chief editor?
It's like so Orwellian.
Uh, so this person would oversee all these things.
If anything got a certain amount of likes, the chief editor would come to his desk and be like, Okay, we got to de boost this or whatever, or just nuke it out of oblivion into oblivion.
And they would, and the Chinese government through these leaks that they're getting with the emails and stuff, uh, they would say, Hey, this is someone on American soil right now, but he's saying stuff we don't like here in China, so you gotta like.
Get rid of that account and they would do it.
So, like, they have no ethics.
And I think, like, Zuckerberg's a complete fraud.
You know, when he has this rebrand lately, it was like, I'm pro Trump and I have a fro now.
It's so unnatural.
The chain.
I understand.
Like, yeah, he looks like Lil Dickie.
Like, I don't buy a thing this guy says at all.
I feel like to read the comments of his interview with Rogan.
Oh, so bad.
I felt I was cringing for him.
I was like, when Rogan asked him about the bow and arrow, he's like, you know, Rogan knows about his bows and arrows.
Oh, yeah, I saw that clip.
Zuckerberg's like, He's like, you can see him malfunctioning.
Oh, it's old.
It's definitely old.
It's got a sharp point at the top.
But, like, it's funny because people buy into it.
Because when it comes to politics, you know, lately, everyone's so like they want to be liked so bad by the people they think they hate.
Like, when it comes to a rich, wealthy, famous person, the right who seems to be so against it lately, you know, the second Elon or Zuckerberg, Does a rebrand.
They're like, we love him.
They share great memes and he like surfs and wears American flags.
But like, Zuckerberg is a straight up liar.
He's not surfing.
He's doing this stupid fucking electronic foil board like a stupid dork.
Stupid.
That video is ridiculous.
But, but, only something a billionaire would think was cool.
Right.
So, yeah, I don't know.
These people have no ethics.
Yeah.
And seeing allegedly now that Zuckerberg's working so closely with like the Chinese government, which is in direct opposition to our government, yeah.
It's like, okay, we can't trust these people and he's probably, uh, He's probably lied under oath.
And I think that kind of extends to all these guys who are running the government currently.
It feels weird right now.
Like, the whole way the whole podcast landscape is so in lockstep with the current presidential administration.
It's gross.
And how they all were there at the inauguration together was so weird to me.
Yeah, I think it's the end of that world.
I think we're going to see this whole space is going to go through like a real tectonic shift.
Yeah.
People are going to not make it.
People are going to, you know, get better.
But this administration totally, I mean, and rightfully so.
It was smart to use the podcast world, right?
Because the other side wasn't like Kamala, they paid, you know, the call her daddy people, they paid for a fake studio, you know, and that show didn't really get numbers.
Right.
No one cared.
Right.
No one cares about that host.
I'm sure she's got some fans out there.
But like, it wasn't a cultural shift.
You know, Trump doing Rogan was a huge shift.
Moment.
Yeah.
Everyone watched that episode.
It was pretty hilarious.
You know, I enjoy seeing him do interviews.
But like now that they've gotten to office, watching what I would call the dissident voices from the so called right or whatever that is, the podcast space, now they're so in lockstep with the establishment without questioning anything.
I'm like, this is how we get back into more problems, guys.
And then they really don't like when you criticize them because they're like, well, we got it.
Our guys are in office.
They're doing the best they can.
It's only been three months.
I'm like, yeah, but they're only allowing people around them right now who ask either.
Illegitimate criticisms like from the corporate press and their questions don't mean anything, or people who are asking just nice, easy questions, you know.
And I think there's like real legitimate concerns that this administration should be asked, like these questions about all the people around it and what they're doing.
I understand it's still early, but like, you know, it's if you're looking at it from the political side of things, they only have a little bit of time before the midterms.
So, like, people are going to want to see real change in like a year, right?
Before then, because they're about to go vote again for the people, you know, for the midterms for senators and all that stuff, yeah, congressmen.
So, you know, right now he's kind of got everyone almost at his disposal, but it's going to change quickly.
And then like the, I've been calling it the day like independent media died was the binder gate thing when everyone got the Epstein binders.
Did you see that?
Oh, God.
That was the most embarrassing thing.
And like, I know a lot of those people who were there and I'm not mad at them per se.
Like, I'm mad at the administration.
Unless they knew about it, they all say they don't.
So like, I don't know that.
But the administration, in my opinion, set up a photo op and walked them out for the stunt.
Right.
Yeah.
Because they're like, you know, someone would be like, oh, we didn't know.
Okay, fair.
And then, you know, they just gave us a binder.
I'm like, they printed out a prop to put in your hand and then walked you out into a lawn where the photographers were.
They'll say, well, they were there for so and so who was visiting from another, whoever was here from another country.
And they're like, but there's other ways you couldn't have left the White House.
You know, why did they give you a prop to hold and walk you out in front of the photographers?
And it's not about just anything.
This is about one of the most, the darkest, most sinister things that crimes that hurt children.
Yeah.
And now you're condensing it down to you dancing with a binder.
I was like, this is a bad look for independent media.
You know, and like, I think independent media has all the same problems as corporate press because it's just like a human nature thing.
There's greed, there's narcissism, you know, all that ego, all that stuff.
So it's going to be interesting to see like how these people navigate that world now, now that they've got their guy in office.
Because it's, you know, I'm seeing a lot of people just post selfies, you know, at the special events.
And then, you know, I'll get this stuff like, oh, Shane's jealous.
He's not there.
I'm like, I would love to go and ask the question, but I know the questions I'm asking, I won't be invited back.
So I love that.
I'll go.
I'll ask the questions, but they're not letting me back after that because I'm I got bigger problems at play here because it's about our future and about the like the future that our kids are inheriting, you know, they're building like a dystopia around us.
So, yeah, and there's all these like huge people on social media and on podcasts, like Chamoth saying, like, not jokingly talking about like Trump needs a third term.
I know, you know, and it's crazy.
It's it's see, and then and then Steve Bannon, like I know, and I love I love Bannon too, but like, I don't want that, and I and I'm not going to vote for Vance.
Like, I don't like Vance.
I think he's really smart.
I like, he says things I really like, but he's got connections to Peter Thiel, which is someone like another one of these tech guys, you know, venture capitalists.
That he was born out of Peter Thiel, you know, that's his mentor.
He created him, you know, Vance saw Thiel talk at a, I think it was Yale, loved the speech.
And then Thiel helped him start his own venture capitalist firm and funding stuff and they're in Rumble and all that stuff and all these types of things.
And I think Thiel's one of the most like, Nefarious actors.
Really?
And he's like deeply embedded in the right because he's one of Trump's biggest donors.
Have you seen what he's been doing with Silicon Valley and like Vampire?
And he's been, he's behind this huge new effort to basically map Christianity onto everything that's happening in Silicon Valley.
And he's like, he's part of this church and they're doing these huge conferences.
I haven't seen that.
I know he claims to be Christian.
He's a strange guy.
He's a gay Christian billionaire.
Married gay Christian.
He is a transhumanist vampire, though.
We'll get to that in a minute.
They all are.
But like he says things I think are, he's an extremely smart dude.
Like, and he's been around for a minute.
He's, he, unfortunately, he helped build a surveillance state post 9-11.
With Palantir and all these things.
And, you know, I'm really against the surveillance state.
I really think that is super dystopian.
And he's made, I'm sure, billions of dollars off war, you know, on all the wars, plus the surveillance state here and around the world.
And, like, he's part of Facebook.
You know, he helped create Facebook.
He funded Facebook.
So, and they're all, and Palantir was funded by Incutech, which is a CIA.
Incutech.
Oh, Incutech, right.
That's like, that's a venture capitalist from the CIA.
So, like, all that stuff is very alarming to me.
And, like, they don't like being questioned about that.
But I didn't know about the Christian mapping thing.
Uh, yeah, but I've seen him talk about religion.
Uh, you can find the article, Steve.
Just type in, uh, just type in, um, Christianity in Silicon Valley, and there's like a ton of articles.
It's like this new phenomenon that's happening.
And, like, you know, in the past, Christian or Silicon Valley has been like the opposite of a religious place.
Oh, yeah, 11 years ago, Elon is saying he's with AI summoning the demon, but recently he says it's a digital god.
Uh, so they've rebranded even that.
Yeah, I haven't seen this, but like, here's just one article.
Yeah, there's been a lot of people writing about this lately.
Interesting.
Freaking paywalls.
Yeah.
It's ridiculous.
Yeah, this is the one that I read right here.
Interesting.
Christianity was borderline illegal in Silicon Valley, and now it's the new religion.
And what I think, I think it has something to do with national security.
I don't know.
I don't know exactly.
I don't think it's ideology.
I think it's some sort of 4D chess these guys are playing.
These leaders of these military industrial complex companies that are really.
Pushing Christianity to all the people that work inside Silicon Valley.
Yeah.
And I think it has, I mean, it's speculation, obviously, right?
Like, no, we don't know, but like, who knows how these people think.
But what if they think that, look at all these other countries that, you know, they in the Middle East, for just one example, like, you have all these people that ascribe to a certain religious worldview, right?
You have religious extremists that are willing to go as far as dropping a bomb to their chest and detonate it in a fucking public.
Place.
And here, it's the opposite of that.
You have this crazy diverse array.
There's not like one solid foundational worldview people have in America.
So it might be some sort of thing that they're trying to do to bolster America or make America stronger.
Yeah, like I don't, I honestly have a hard time believing anything he says, although there's, he does say things I agree with.
Like I think he also understands that the universities are like ideological death camps.
I taught him, you know, I saw it's crazy what they're doing to kids' minds.
He says a lot of things I think are neat, but like sometimes when I see this stuff, I'm like, I think it's, and this is just my theory, it's their way of trying to get.
The people on their side that they need, right?
Because for so long, a lot of these guys were part of the so called left.
Left and right really doesn't even mean anything anymore because Trump's not even really right, right leaning, although he appears to be to the people on the left.
But like they were darlings of the left for so long.
Everyone loved Elon.
I mean, you go back 10 years and look at Elon on Colbert, they're, oh, we love you so much.
We love you.
They're clapping for Teslas.
Those same people are probably keying those Teslas today, right?
Or selling their own Teslas.
But I think a lot of this stuff is like, So like something I hear a lot when I criticize someone like Elon or or Teal, um, cause Rumble and then X, they'll say like, oh, well, he's look what they're doing for freedom of speech.
I think that's amazing.
I agree.
X is a lot better.
It's like a lot of problems and Rumble's pretty cool.
But like my opinion is they're doing this to kind of endear themselves to the dissident voices.
So now you're not like what we're saying earlier with like independent media.
A lot of these voices I'm seeing be reluctant to question these people now at all.
Like you don't hear much about a lot of like negative stuff, like legitimate like concerns about these people from the right or the so-called dissident voices.
I think that's the most important conversation.
There's a few people, but very few.
You hear like Whitney Webb.
Kyle Kalinske has been going hard.
Has he?
Oh, yeah.
Someone I never listened to.
Really?
He's a guy who came out of Rogan.
I mean, he was literally created by Rogan.
Do you think he has like legitimate concerns about Elon or does he just be like?
No, I mean, he's very critical of Rogan and Trump and Elon and all these people and calling out like all of the.
I think some of it is pretty reasonable, but I think a lot of it is like just super toxic and biased and just, you know, he's a little bit out of control.
Because I'll see the left hate a lot of these people for the wrong reasons.
Yeah.
You know, like it's like a lot of like knee jerk reactions to things that I think kind of water down the real problems.
And then the right just refuses to see the problems at all.
Because they're so happy that they won with the help of these people, for sure.
Because Teal's one of Trump's biggest donors since 2015-ish.
And Alex Karp donated millions of dollars to Kamala.
How funny is that?
I know.
That's why these people have no moral center.
No.
Their only path and their only goal in life is power over us and money, right?
They make money off these crises, right?
Like COVID, a lot of people made money off that.
A lot of these social media companies made money off that.
Well, also destroyed people's lives, right?
Small businesses went out.
In New York, we lost thousands of small businesses, but these major companies.
We're fine.
So, like, you see the things that they're creating.
It's like the military industrial complex, you know, what Palantir does, what Andrewill, I can't even say Andrewill.
Like, that's a weird company.
Clearview AI is one of the scary ones to me with the facial recognition app because it's like, it's inescapable, right?
That's why the only thing I don't know what to do other than like try to have ethics from the bottom up because these companies are not going to be like, well, you know, we're not going to use it for bad reasons, but the idea of what's bad is different every day.
In politics, you know, something that was acceptable last year is now not acceptable.
You know, they're always moving the goalposts.
And these people are very open about how this world is going to just crush humanity.
You know, but they say, you know, someone like Mark Andreessen would say it's a techno.
You read his techno optimist manifesto, it's like the opposite of the Unabomber's manifesto.
You know, it's a very joyous outlook, which is like, look, I'm very against the violence with the Unabomber, but that manifesto says a lot of things that are really interesting in terms of like universities and politics.
Post Reality Is Dangerous00:06:52
Like, he saw a lot of problems.
Back then, wasn't he MKUltra?
They say he was in Harvard, a Harvard study, right?
Yeah, that's crazy, right?
Find out, Google that.
I think it was when he was a kid or something like that.
Type in Ted Kaczynski Harvard experiments.
Yeah, it's wild.
Yeah.
What was I going to say to you?
I was saying techno optimist like manifesto and just like the way they're building this world where we're going to have machines and it's going to be really, really great with no problems.
Right, right, right, right.
I was going to say, Elon is the thing about Elon is like, you know, his famous story about how in 2000 and I think it was maybe 2000 is when I think it was maybe December of 2000 or 2008, maybe it was 2008, December of 2008, he told this story about how like he needed to make payroll or whatever.
And like his accountants came to him and said, You got to bankrupt either Tesla or SpaceX or else we're not going to be able to, we're going to lose, we're going to lose both.
Right.
And he's like, he was like, I'd rather die than lose one of those companies.
He's like, we'll make it happen.
I mean, he got a lot of money from the military.
And then he ended up, and then there's this story that this guy, John Kiriakou, the CIA agent, tells how, in like two months later, he was at this big dinner and Elon was there at this like government dinner with a bunch of fucking CIA and NSA people.
That makes sense.
So if you're fucking, it just doesn't seem, it doesn't feel like it doesn't seem right, right?
If you're going through that trying to fucking make your company survive, your billion dollar company survive.
What are you doing at some Washington dinner with a bunch of CIA and NSA people?
Making bank.
Right.
You're making bank.
I mean, he is helping sustain the surveillance state right now with Starlink.
You know, they've got all these contracts with using Starlink satellites to, you know, put up all the Lockheed Martin type satellites, maybe his own, who knows.
There's a lot of things he just can't talk about because he should probably sign a ton of NDAs.
You know, that's why I always find it weird when he talks about aliens.
It always seems so forced.
And the moon.
And the moon, yeah.
We definitely went to the moon.
Yeah, okay, dude.
Look, something's up there.
It might be like something that looks like the moon, but I don't know if it's what we've been told it is.
But like everything that these people, him, Teal, like the whole PayPal, like mafia type crowd, is very strange to me.
And now they're completely infiltrated the government.
Like they've probably been a part of all the administrations to some degree, but now it's like really like it's Trump.
And now they're like outwardly like, we're building this dystopia.
I mean, they think it's a utopia.
But like, you know, so they're creating this false God, they're creating like an omniscience.
Uh, an omniscient presence with the, with the spy satellites, with the surveillance state.
Um so like, those are the things that really worry me because like, moving forward, you know it's going to be, it's going to be super dark.
Like the thing I was telling you about Facebook and what they can do just to like young girls on on facebook, they're going to now start applying that into like uh, you know, like predictive policing, your programmatic policing.
You know which?
Uh, just yesterday I saw I think it was in the Uk they just opened up a whole new department for, for just that.
So, like they're doing it over there.
Really yeah, I forget what it's called.
It's a good name, too Scary name.
Like the Minority Report.
It's exactly what it is.
The Unabomber participated in a series of psychological experiments at Harvard from 59 to 62.
Oh, perfect.
Good time.
That was Jolly West's peak.
These experiments, led by Henry A. Murray, were designed to measure how individuals react under extreme stress and involved mock interrogations that were described as vehement, sweeping, and personally abusive.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was part of MKUltra for sure.
Dude, they probably created a lot of the tragedies that we live through in society.
In history.
You know, like it's it's, it's insane.
I can't take it.
But, like you know, what these people are doing now with the social media, it's just the evolution of this um.
So yeah, I I don't know what's going on right now, but I feel like I feel like everything that's happening right now, with like the combination of like the news cycle and like various debates that you see happen on podcasts, and like these people emerging these, like these People, like this, um, this martyr made guy.
Oh, yeah.
Emerging in all the controversy around him.
Yeah.
I haven't followed that much.
I saw part of his interview with Rogan.
Yeah.
It feels like it is a bunch of small pieces of this larger plan or larger scheme to like decay or erode the meaning of truth.
Oh, yeah.
And like to, to, to make it, To where we can't tell what is up or down anymore.
Yeah.
And I think that started with the pandemic, which divided us, right?
And everybody had their own facts that they truly believed and would fucking die over.
Oh, yeah.
It's crazy.
Yeah, it definitely started.
I think it started since day one with humanity.
But COVID accelerated it to an insane degree.
I started calling it post-reality because the internet will allow you to, what we were saying earlier with the confirmation bias stuff, you can do that with anything with the internet.
If you want to really believe something, whatever it is, you go find that website.
It'll tell you you're right.
And then that will bolster you to really believe that.
But with COVID, it came life or death for some people.
We were dealing with riots and all that stuff.
You know, and that on top of that, the censorship that was happening, you were only allowed to say certain things, which is why I'm so skeptical now of trying to embrace these tech people.
Because, like, just a few years ago, they said we were like bad people and we should be censored, you know, not allowed online.
They even got rid of the president on Twitter.
And now, all of a sudden, just because they're waving an American flag and they share memes, we're cool.
Like, I don't buy it at all.
So I think the post reality thing is really, really dangerous because, you know, I was really seeing it starting to go down a lot with the beginning of the Israel Gaza stuff because there's people. sharing like, you remember that someone, I forget it was Israel, probably nuked or sent a missile to some hospital in Gaza, or maybe it was the other way around.
But that story was completely fake, right?
Or like the ghost of Kiev.
That was a fake story.
But people really buy into these things, right?
And so now you're seeing people totally buy into this narrative, and now they've just splintered into a completely different reality.
And if they don't fact check it wherever, you know, you fact check, I hate that phrase too, but like, it's almost impossible to even do that.
It's going to be worse now, especially with what they're building with the AI stuff now, with deepfakes, with, you know, you can make anything happen.
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You can have a designer reality.
So like with the post-reality stuff during COVID, during the wars, you know, you're falling down different avenues and just, you know, consuming the things that make you feel good about the way you see the world.
But now we're going to start seeing people just straight up make up realities altogether, you know?
So all like the weird mental issues in society now, you can just go in the metaverse and do all that stuff and never leave your house, you know?
And that to me feels like where it's going.
Like I don't think the dystopia is going to look like, you know, the Matrix so much.
I don't think it's going to be super dystopian.
Like, you walk outside, like, wow, we're here in dystopia.
I think it's already here.
You know, I think like it's an inward thing and where like it's inside of us, this dystopia that you can, you know, unshackle yourself from.
But the thing that scares me the most now with the way it's going with the technology and with Elon or Thiel, Andreessen, Altman, all these people is like this idea of the technocracy, right?
And that is super alarming to me because that's kind of what they're doing now.
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Where, you know, the technocracy being this idea that emerged in like the 1920s, 30s, kind of like in response to the depression.
You know, it kind of emerged out of a crisis, how do we fix society?
And it's like well, the government's all wrong, so we're gonna uh install experts to run everything, experts and engineers to run our society.
But you know, having lived through Covid, who who's an expert?
How do you define expert?
How do you define any of this stuff?
Because Fauci was like basically a leader of a technocracy during Covid.
They just outsourced everything to him and now he's basically making everyone shut down.
Um, so like That was a thing in Canada, you know.
I thought this was a funny thing with, you know, Elon's grandfather being.
Oh, yeah.
What was that?
Joshua Haldeman.
So in Canada, he was part of Technocracy Inc.
And they were like really looking to install this government.
They banned it in Canada for some time.
I think like maybe five years or so.
But like you couldn't do Technocracy Inc., which I think is ridiculous.
Like you should just be able to do whatever you want, you know.
Like I don't agree with communists, but you should, if you want to do it, I want to hear the bad ideas and we can talk about it.
I don't want to like censor that.
Yeah.
So he was, Haldeman was into technocracy.
He was a chiropractor.
He was a very well-known chiropractor.
This is his granddad?
Yeah.
Yeah.
His grandfather.
Well-known chiropractor.
I believe his, Elon's great-grandma was as well.
So like a big chiropractor.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I think, I don't know where I saw this, but there's like an obituary in a big chiropractor magazine about Haldeman.
But, you know, he was obsessed with this idea of installing engineers and experts, whatever that is, to run the government.
And then that idea kind of, uh, you got like a soft version of the technocracy with Fdr's New Deal, because it was like widespread micromanagement of experts to try to fix society.
So we saw all these organizations, you know, spread out of the ground for to help fix the depression.
Um, so you know, some people might say it was like a technocracy light.
You know it wasn't really technocracy but because it was in the, in the framework of a democracy, allegedly, um, he did, he maintained power for quite some time.
Um, and then, you know, as as it goes with American history, The economy didn't really boom again until World War II, because people make lots of money on war, like these people we're talking about now.
So like his grandfather had the technocracy thing.
I always thought this was interesting that, you know, depending on where you look and who you read, he either was kicked out of Canada or he ran from Canada for the technocracy stuff.
You know, he was a failed politician.
He was trying to do a lot of things in politics in Canada and then set up base in Africa.
And he became obsessed with looking for the lost city of Kalahari.
You know about that?
No.
This is like this story of the lost city of Kalahari in the South African desert.
And it supposedly had some kind of treasures below it, you know, as lost cities do.
There's like an old story from, I think it was from New York.
I forget this guy's name, but he came up with the story in the first place.
And, you know, a few people heard about it.
And then Haldeman became like a pilot, like a successful pilot, and decided to take the whole family to South Africa.
So that's where like Mae Musk was.
I don't think she was born in Africa or not, but like Elon's mom.
Yeah.
And they would just tour a lot in the plane.
You know, May Musk is a twin, which I always think is also, I don't know why it's odd to me.
I think the phrase telegenic actually came from the twins.
Telegenic?
Yeah, because they were on some TV show at some point on this, like, as they're touring around their plane and they're on TV, and someone said, You're telegenic.
You're like, you know, it's like photogenic for television.
I believe that's connected to Mamos.
You'll have to fact check that later.
It might be my reality buffet.
But yeah, so he went and looked for this lost city.
So I just think that's so interesting because, like, I love the idea of risk and adventure and innovation.
It's amazing, you know?
And, you know, I don't agree with everything his grandfather was up to, but, like, it's fascinating to me that he, I think he died in his plane.
I think he died.
I don't know if he died searching for Kalahari or if he died for some other reason.
The story is he actually was the first person to go from Africa to Australia in a plane, his little plane.
He built the plane.
It's a crazy, interesting story.
But that's why Elon wound up in Africa because of leaving Canada for whatever reason.
I think it's tied to the technocracy thing, but there were other things that happened after that with him.
He had some war, I believe, with Coca Cola, Haldeman.
He hated Coca Cola because it had cocaine in it.
He was like, this is hurting people.
I'm like, all right, that's fair.
But he had some theories about Coca Cola maybe hurting people and whatnot.
Like it was like a big pharma, but for Coca-Cola.
So I say all that to say it's just interesting to see now Elon to me and his pals are, I think, working towards a technocracy and that Mars is Elon's lost city of Kalahari.
It's like it doesn't, you know, and like I get it.
You know, I'm highly inspired by my grandfather.
I totally understand that.
And like getting, you have that in your DNA.
Yeah.
It's in your family.
Is that them?
Is this them?
I actually never looked up pictures of them.
Elon Musk's fascinating history with Moose Jaw.
I don't know what that is.
That's a good name for a band.
That's Moose Jaw.
Yeah, Moose Jaw is a good name for a band.
Like a tobacco.
Click the article, Steve.
Let's see.
Moose Jaw.
Elon Musk's grandmother is from Moose Jaw.
You know how I know this?
He said so himself on Twitter.
But that is the concern to me what they're building now.
Yeah.
And this whole idea of.
Efficiency sounds great, but it has its dangers to humanity.
Yeah.
You know, I think about like, is that his grandfather actually with the twins?
So that's the twins.
Yeah, this is Haldeman.
Jump in on that, but punch in on that a little bit more.
They're straight out of The Shining.
Awesome.
Oh, is Jolly West in the background?
Oh, my God.
That's funny, dude.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't understand.
Elon is a mystery, man.
How does he have time to do all this?
Tweeting.
That's the most obvious.
He's a liar.
That's the most obvious question.
I think he's lying, just like he's lying about being a gamer.
I don't think that's, I don't think it's real.
Oh, I heard that was a lie.
I don't think it's real.
I think he's a lot, like a habitual liar.
So, what's he lying about?
He's not the one doing the tweeting?
I think every, maybe his neural link is doing this.
I think he's got a, but I mean, look, he's a smart dude.
I just don't think he's doing all these things.
I think he's outsourced a lot of it to AI.
I don't think he's tweeting all that much.
That to me is insane.
It doesn't make sense.
You're doing Doge.
You're that much of a video gamer.
You're doing your companies, SpaceX, Neuralink.
I just don't buy it.
I don't buy it.
He's artificially inseminating all these women.
Yeah, yeah.
That's a whole other thing.
I heard he's not fucking half of them.
I heard.
Is that true?
That's what I hear.
Yeah, because he's a eugenicist.
Right.
I heard somebody call him a rationalist, where it's like his idea is he wants to reproduce with women who have higher cognitive abilities.
Right.
And he wants to, it's basically like eugenics.
It's eugenics.
Yeah.
Rationalist is just a nice way of saying eugenicist.
And he like doesn't get past first base with half these women.
I don't doubt it.
And he's just artificially intimidating himself.
I don't doubt it.
Dude, I, so like it's weird because going back, I was thinking about Elon, you know, like when did I start even thinking about this guy?
And I remember I was actually in Florida.
I was walking our son in his stroller.
So this must have been like seven years ago.
And I was reading about Neuralink that brought me to like his Mars stuff.
And I was like, I was thinking about what kind of fights am I going to have in the future with my kids?
Because it's going to be different, right?
Like the fights I have with my parents about like the music I listen to, right?
You know, stuff like that, or, you know, just not coming home.
I'm like, what am I going to fight about with my kid?
I'm like, it's going to be him wanting to be immortal through Neuralinks, you know, because the transhumanists by then will, like Ray Kurzweil, just upload your consciousness, you know, like Timmy down the street is doing it or going to Mars, you know?
And I was like, these are really interesting things I like in the, I don't think it's going to be that far in the future where people are going to have some kind of designer immortality.
I'm putting in quotes.
Yeah.
Where you can have like your digital avatar and people will consider it as much as a real you as, you know, as you hear you and me.
So I was like, really not into that.
And like, I think it was probably 2020, I wrote my first thing about his, his neuraling trial where he's talking about like the pigs and, you know, he's lost a lot of pigs.
He's got the, I think he calls it Monkey Disneyland.
Have you looked at that?
I think he calls it that.
It's either he calls it that or like Neuralink calls it that, but that's where some of their brains explode.
It's wild stuff.
So, like, that kind of started me thinking about how I.
Oh, yeah.
I do not trust what this guy's doing.
Because it's tough because I can understand the positives, the short term positives.
It's beautiful that you want to fix someone who's paraplegic, right?
If they want to walk again, like, that's amazing.
You want to give someone sight again who's blind, if you want to give someone hearing again who's deaf.
How do you argue against that?
It's like, that's amazing.
But at a certain point, I think it's going to be like you're kind of left out of society if you don't have those, just like these smartphones today.
Yeah.
Like if you don't have, if you're not participating in the modern world, you're not having a phone like this, right?
What about like, yeah, imagine being the only one who can't telepathically communicate.
Right.
Right.
That's going.
It's like being the only one without a smartphone.
Yeah.
Sounds great.
Yeah.
But that's the network they're building.
So.
What?
Did you say something?
I thought you said something.
I'm here.
I'm hearing shit.
It was his Neuralink.
Yeah.
But like, so like, I was thinking about that stuff.
And then.
I just started watching him closely because it was hard.
Like, I enjoyed him buying Twitter years ago.
I was like, right.
It was optimistic.
Yeah.
That's great.
Twitter was horrible, it had a lot of issues.
I appreciated his innovation.
I was fascinated by a lot of it.
And then when I started really thinking he was a liar was when I realized that it sounds like he lied about his firstborn child dying in his arms, you know?
And his wife at the time, she said that that's not true.
And he only said that, unless he said it somewhere else.
First time I saw him say it was when he was.
I didn't even know about this.
He said it when he was trying to convince people why he didn't want Alex Jones back on Twitter.
Because he, at the time, believed that Alex Jones hurt kids.
Not really like him hurting kids, but like what he had done, what he had said was like a rejection of the reality of the Sandy Hook that Elon believed in, right?
He believed that like these kids were hurt and now Alex didn't believe it.
So he said he, you know, he thinks that way because his child died in his arms.
But his wife said at the time, I think that's his first wife, said that didn't happen at all.
So, you know, I'm like, if you're willing to lie about that, look, I don't know.
I'm just saying that this changed my perspective on listening to anything he says.
And, like, if you don't, if you're willing to, if this is true, if you're willing to lie about your child dying in your arms, then I will be skeptical of everything you say.
Sure.
Just like how I'm skeptical of Zuckerberg and all these other people who are clearly lying as well.
So, like, I think this whole rebrand into being like MAGA and Dark MAGA, it's just, it's so stupid, but like, it's, it's, it's them getting closer to the power that will allow them to create the technocracy that I think they want.
You know, and it's, it's not, I don't think it's too conspiratorial to think that that's what they want because they see themselves as like gods.
They see themselves as they're better than everyone.
Zuckerberg was happy to censor all of us during COVID.
Elon has had a lot of changes of heart.
But that's possible.
You can have a change of heart.
I just don't buy it with these people.
I think this idea of efficiency is great.
Doge, I think, is great.
I love the idea of making the government much smaller because it's a huge problem.
But what they're going to install after that is probably going to be AI because the future technocracy is probably not going to be.
Quote unquote experts, like it probably won't be Elon and them will be like pulling the levers, but they're probably going to install their AI because that will be their opinion of an objective expert, right?
Although it's not objective, right?
Because it's made by subjective people.
So, you know, that's the thing I'm worried about.
And I, you know, with Elon buying Twitter, although I thought it was great, it's clear to me that he's monopolized the collective consciousness.
And so he's taking everything off Twitter to feed into his, into Grok, to feed into Optimus, to make his spaceship.
You know, that she says is going to fly to Mars using AI.
So I think that's what a lot of these people are doing.
Like, they're data harvesting our thoughts, they're monopolizing our brains.
That's like one of the new war.
It's on our privacy and our thoughts.
And like Meta has been working on things that can actually read your brain, like, can translate your brain wavelengths into images and words.
So, like, this is that's the future is them, you is like, it's inescapable.
They're going to want inside of your brain so they know.
A bunch of things.
How to sell you to advertisers, how to make money on you like that, but also how to prevent crime.
Because they're going to be like, well, this person's having bad thoughts.
So we need to watch them more closely.
Like what they're doing in the UK.
Just yesterday, I saw the article.
Like they're doing allegedly with the IDF right now using Lavender, that AI model, which is like the AI is basically allowed to decide who may or may not be a terrorist.
And allegedly, like there are articles about it.
So the IDF has said it doesn't do this.
So take it with a grain of salt.
I have a feeling it's probably happening because it sounds like a lot of the stuff that Clearview AI would do.
Or Palantir, where it's harvesting a lot of data.
Is this Lavender?
Dude, this is terrifying because it has a huge error rate, allegedly.
Lavender AI program allegedly used by the Israeli military to identify potential Hamas militants in Gaza.
Wow.
This can't be good.
Identified over 37,000 people in Gaza as potential targets for military strikes.
The program allegedly used machine learning to assist schools.
Scores to individuals based on factors such as association with suspected militants and frequent changes in phone numbers.
Wow, dude, that's crazy.
This is not good.
No.
So, you know, it doesn't matter how you feel about that war.
Like, no one should have this ability.
Dude, did you?
I just had my buddy Eric Zuliger on here the other day.
He was explaining to me how in the Russia Ukraine war, I think it was Russia was using an AI to like, Convince Ukrainian soldiers, like it was an some sort of an LLM, was like able to analyze some of the Ukrainian soldiers, like by analyzing their text messages and their phone calls with their loved ones.
And like, and like, you like the LLM was mimicking their family members, trying to convince them to basically like lay down their weapons and surrender.
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That is next level.
That's like, that's like the evolution of Waco.
You know, like we're going to pump the voice of God into this building to scare these people.
Right.
But now we can just pretend to be your loved ones.
Yeah, I was also listening.
I think it was Eric Prince.
I think he's the CEO of Blackwater.
Yeah, yeah.
Talking about like facial recognition drones that they're doing in Gaza or not in Gaza in Ukraine in Ukraine.
Yeah, yeah.
And like they're taking old drones but fitting them with like AI technology to find your face.
You know, it's like that's insane to me.
I think he said that at a speech recently.
Have you seen the new Palantir commercial?
No.
How they're using these swarm drones.
Oh, geez.
So their new thing is like, so Palantir, which this doesn't seem like it fits up Palantir's sort of like niche of what they do, but they apparently have this new swarm.
Pull up to the commercial, this new swarm technology where they have like thousands of these little DJI Mavic drones and they're using them to like swarm battleships and basically take out battleships.
Great.
Give us some some audio.
Oh Is this what played during the game the army navy game?
I don't know.
I didn't watch it Looks like a transformers movie.
Yeah, is this a Crenshaw commercial?
Dude So it's like this it's Eric called it spreadsheet warfare.
Yeah, where basically I love how it pulled up a fucking ancient Marilyn Manson interview Good algorithm.
Yeah, exactly Where it's like you you use super cost effective ways like like really unbalanced ways to like take out other militaries like where you have this billion dollar warship or like a battleship and you're using maybe like a hundred thousand dollars in drones to swarm yeah I think Palantir probably came, I forget who came with the phrase, but it was, I think, from Palantir, from their world, the total information awareness.
Oh, yeah.
No, that was way before Palantir.
Dude, that is insane stuff.
Yeah.
Because that is like, we just want to know everything at all times.
And I think they do already, right?
Yeah.
I guess Palantir probably just uses that.
Yeah.
You know, because it's like, data is gold, right?
Like, that's, we're going to take everything from everyone and put it into a database.
But it's safe.
It's fine.
We're not going to use it for anything bad.
The government has it, though.
But they have your best, you know, they really care about you.
They want the best for you.
Like, okay, cool.
Yeah, the total.
Amy Jacobson wrote about that total information awareness stuff in her DARPA book, The Pentagon's Brain.
Oh, I got to read that.
Oh, my God.
It's so fucking good.
It's like the full history of DARPA and like Jason Scientists and the Rand Corporation and how it all evolved.
And like total information awareness was proposed, I think, before 9 11.
Oh, wow.
Some of those DARPA guys, they wanted to implement this shit way before 9 11.
Like, in the early 90s, I think it was.
So they must love this world now.
Oh, we're living in that their wet dream.
Right.
This is what they wanted.
They wanted access to every part of your life.
And she even writes in that book that they were, DARPA was working on Neuralink for soldiers to create brain chips for soldiers to create super soldiers in like the very early 90s.
Right.
Yeah.
And now, now look, I mean, we only learned about Neuralink how many years ago?
Dude, that is going to be an interesting future.
Like, I tried interviewing the guy with Neuralink, but I think Elon got a hold of it.
Like, Elon and I have talked through people.
Like back when I was trying to, we had a middle man trying to get me to interview him.
We were mutual friends.
Right.
And he definitely has, I think, seen things that I've said.
So it's definitely not going to happen.
Right.
Hypercritical.
And then to bring it back to Kanye real quick.
Yeah.
When I was with Kanye that second day, he was so pissed at Elon that me and him wrote this thing about Elon being a clone and posted it to Kanye's Instagram.
Kanye was pissed at Elon?
Because he got banned from Twitter.
So he went on Instagram and he was like, we wrote this whole thing about how Elon's a clone.
I forget.
There were articles written about it.
It was ridiculous.
So like that was OG.
Uh, Elon beef, and then and then you know, I've been very critical on lots of other shows about him, so and I know I've tried to uh do an interview with him through mutual friends, and like it's just there's nothing happening there.
But I was really stoked to do this interview with the Neuralink guy, I had no proof what happened, but I got ghosted right before I was supposed to go to Arizona to interview this guy, really.
While he was doing a lot of other interviews, like a ton, I was about to drive out or fly out to where he's at.
Wow, um, so look, I don't know, maybe I'm just a jaded person, but like I've I've had issues publicly with Elon for a while.
And I just really, there's a lot of questions when it comes to Neuralink and what that means for the future of humanity.
It's like he used to go around saying, like I said earlier, we're summoning the demon with AI.
And he would go to the Congress and be like, maybe we should have regulation.
And I'm not really a regulation person because I don't think that's going to fix anything.
Right.
Like the war on drugs didn't fix anything.
Right.
But the conversation is important.
Right.
And the people, you know, are incompetent leaders in DC. should at least be talking about and amplifying that message so that everyone can start talking about it more.
But it seems like he abandoned that idea, right?
And he doesn't really go around saying, well, he does go around saying, like on Rogan recently, he was like, well, your people will be out of jobs and will probably in 20 years be outnumbered by cyborgs.
But now it's more of like an optimistic spin on it.
I don't see it.
Did you see that China was hiring these people, these federal workers that were getting laid off by Doge?
Oh.
Are they going?
Like, so, you know, I guess the idea is that some of them will have a bad taste in their mouth after they get fired.
Right.
And China is trying to, like, recruit them and giving, like, putting them on payroll and all this stuff.
But I guess it got outed.
And I guess it made a headline.
So I guess it must have been a failed operation.
I mean, they've got a lot of people working here right now.
They have those secret police stations.
I heard about that just the other day.
Is that crazy?
In New York.
And in, was it San Francisco?
That's crazy to like, and it was to like combat dissidents, Chinese dissidents.
Yeah, it's amazing.
It's amazing.
Dude, we're overrun.
Like, that's my problem.
Everyone's got like a one boogeyman in their head these days, and like you name it, who's controlling the world and stuff.
It's so much more sinister and bigger than that, I think.
It's a network of a bunch of evil people and like with ancient money and new money controlling the narrative.
Right.
So, like, you know, when I talk about post reality, I talk about like these people are engineering the narrative.
For you to believe in this or that, right?
So when I hear this Facebook whistleblower talking about the chief editor, oh, well, that's what you call your narrative engineer.
You are literally doing it.
You are literally creating reality and suppressing reality.
So this stuff is just going to get crazy.
Like that Palantir commercial is terrifying.
Because you saw Trump in office first time, then you saw Biden in office post January 6th, and now half the country is an enemy to Biden, right?
So whoever is in charge, they could turn that kind of stuff against our own citizens.
And that's horrifying, right?
So it's like, You might like Trump and his friends right now, and they're going to put this thing in place, whether it's a technocracy or who knows what, with this techno dystopia.
But then the next person's in charge, and they're going to use it against, I don't want that used even against people I don't like in this country.
I really disagree with that world.
And then someone like Larry Ellison, who's, I guess, the CTO of Oracle.
You've seen this guy talk?
Yeah.
He's strange, dude.
And he's talking about, he does the police cameras.
Body cams, which I think is okay because I want accountability.
But it's also now you're turning people into the surveillance state, and now everyone is being picked up by the cameras that will be fed into the Clearview AI and to Palantir.
You know, it's just this evil spiderweb of information sucking.
But he was like, you know, talking about police officers wearing the cameras and how when they want to take a bathroom break, you know, we will not watch, but it will be stored away.
And no, we said, yeah, yeah, and we will only release it under court order.
They will be on their best behavior.
And then right from that, he transitions into citizens.
They will also be on their best behavior.
It's like these people see us as just cogs in this machine that they are building around us.
So, like the whole technocracy thing, you know, I see them infiltrating the White House, but I also see that all these guys are building their own little technocracies right now and like their own private cities.
Have you heard of Forever California?
No.
Forever California?
I think it's either Forever California or California Forever.
But that's like last I checked, Reed Hoffman from LinkedIn, Mark Andreessen, Substack, you know, smart guys.
But they're building this thing, which is their private city in California.
Really?
California.
Have you heard of Slow Jamistan?
No.
It's a country in California.
No.
Slow Jamistan.
They classify their taxes that they have to pay as, what did he say?
They classify it as basically like national.
What do they call it?
Where they're like paying another country?
Like tariffs?
No, they consider their taxes to be like donations to the U.S.
So that's hilarious.
I have not heard of these people, but the Forever California thing is a weird one because they're trying to buy all this farmland to create their little private city.
And a lot of farmers have refused to sell.
Last I checked, this was fairly recently.
And so now they're suing those farmers for refusing to sell.
That's insane to me, right?
And so that would be one of the questions I would bring up if I were allowed around these people.
Mark Andreessen's part of Doge.
Allegedly, Elon and Reed Hoffman don't get along, but Andreessen and Elon do.
And now Andreessen and Hoffman, all these other people, are trying to build this weird private city with their own little rules.
And it's going to be like a biohacker type of universe.
You look at one of these private cities, I forget which one it is, but they're like installing Tesla keys in their hands.
It's like legit transhumanist stuff.
So I'd be like, what are you doing to help the farmers who refuse to sell the farmland?
To these insane people who want to build a private city, which is a small version of their technocracy.
They probably would call it a utopia.
But one person's utopia is another person's dystopia.
But like Teal's doing that.
He's got the seafaring ones where it's the floating cities.
Yeah.
All these guys are trying to build.
I think Milton Friedman's grandson is a part of that one too.
So it's like, I really, the future, that looks like the future to me.
Like that's what's going to take over, that kind of thing.
And you're either going to be a part of it or not.
And like, I don't know, is it going to be like the Amish?
You know, like the anti Amish, where like you just, oh, yeah, those people are crazy and they live in their little private city or to just keep expanding.
Because if you see them at the top in the White House right now and that just keeps trickling down and you see them trying to do private cities across the country and that keeps going up, where does that leave like normal people who don't want to be in this?
Like some of these people, I was, I forget which city, which private city they were in, but they're like removing all the bacteria from their mouth.
They're installing like weird devices in their body.
It's a big deal.
Like they're there, it's, you know, This is like the Burning Man 2.0, but forever.
That's fucking crazy, dude.
Yeah, so I'm against that.
I got to piss so bad I can taste it.
Quick break.
Are you on every podcast that you do with Tim?
Or, like, how does that schedule work?
Yeah, I do.
I do.
I typically do his night show.
Oh, by the way, we're back from our PP break.
Sweet.
Yeah.
Oh, and it was also a homicide prediction project, I think is the name of that crazy thing in the UK.
So, like, trying to predict it.
Oh, that thing you were mentioning earlier.
Yeah.
Is that going to.
Become a murderer?
We should, you know, harvest all his data.
Homicide?
Like, what if you're a true crime writer?
I guess the AI would be like, well, he's just writing about it.
That'd be a good cover.
I think about that all the time because we Google some of the most fucked up shit for the show.
I'm like, God, I hope the FBI is not watching.
Oh, they definitely are.
They have to be watching us.
They definitely are.
But yeah, I do usually Monday nights I do IRL with him.
And then Inverted World is through him.
So my studio is like right next to his studio in West Virginia.
It's crazy.
Is it all like one big building?
He's got one big building with like his skating and stuff.
But my.
My like coffin sized studios inside of like a haunted house.
I'm in like a really old, crazy looking house from like the 1800s.
Dude, the first time I saw him skateboarding, I thought it was fake.
Because I've never seen him.
You could say it's AI.
I've never seen him.
Like I had never seen him outside of like, you know, this.
Yeah.
Well, Tin doesn't have legs.
Those are bionic legs.
Right.
That's what I thought.
I ranched him over.
Of course.
Why would he have legs?
And then when I saw him fucking absolutely ripping on a skateboard, I'm like, this is, there's no fucking way this is real.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
It's crazy to see it in real life, you know, because like he's down there skating before IRL and he's got the giant skate park now in that warehouse.
And so him and his skater friends are just hitting those things.
He's got this one ridiculous like vertical.
Yeah.
I don't know what you call it.
Like I don't know much about skating, but it's insane.
It's like a death trap.
Like I don't know why he even did that.
It's ridiculous, but people try to hit it because you go to the top.
Yeah.
I think someone like really hurt themselves.
They're fine now.
Really?
But it's insane.
But yeah, they're down there like all the time.
He's got a half pipe outside.
Yeah.
And I can just look out my window in my haunted house.
That Russian money really hit.
Yeah, right, right.
Tenet was great.
Yeah.
Dude, that story is crazy.
That story is crazy.
I was like, I did that for the Culture War show, right?
And that's so that was Tim's, I guess that was on his, he's got so many channels.
I can't keep up, but like one of his channels on YouTube, we had the Culture War.
So that was like pre Tenet before they came in.
And yeah, what was the story with Tenet?
What was the whole story?
How did this all start?
It depends.
You ask, you know, the Culture War started, I don't know, two or three years ago.
And like, I don't even know if these episodes are still on anymore, but the first one I did was probably episode like four, and it was me, Luke Rukowski, Tim, and Alex Jones.
I think we were in Austin or something.
It was a blast.
It was more like casual than IRL's, like, you know, you're sitting around a table and we're just like the news.
Right, right, right.
Culture War, we just sit around and talk, you know, about certain themes or whatever.
At a certain point, he licensed Culture War to Tenet, right?
And that was like Lauren Chen and them.
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You know, I don't know these people like that.
He licensed it to Tenet.
So, like, it was still through his channel, I think.
Like, he'd be better talking about this, but like.
Where did Tenet come from?
I don't know.
I don't know.
But all of a sudden, they came in and they were just like, yo, we want to license your shit for a million dollars.
So, like, they say it was Russians giving money to, like, Lauren and them, I guess, right?
I personally think it was the CIA.
Really?
Legit.
If you look back at all the things the CIA has hijacked over the years to discredit, right?
Because a lot of these people were, in my opinion, even though I'm not fans of them, like, not really a Dave Rubin listener, but like, a lot of these people, more dissident voices with larger platforms.
I don't know.
It was weird to me that they would be given this money to be.
Like, that's a lot of money.
And some of those shows weren't pulling in a lot of views.
The story was that, like, he had to create a new YouTube channel and he was posting videos on this new channel and they were getting, like, you know, five to 8,000 views.
It was the same channel.
It was.
I think they created a channel and maybe it streamed to that, but it wasn't his.
And then the clips remained on his original channel, I think.
But, like, yeah.
But, like, they were saying that we were told to say certain things.
Like, no one ever told me what to say.
And, like, I helped book that show sometimes.
I'm not the booker, but I did help book that show.
Like, I brought, like, MIA came on that show.
Right.
Like it was just a very organic thing.
Like, yeah.
So no one ever said anything about anyone saying, you know, this or that.
You know, some things, but there was the story.
I think the story I read was that like he was getting paid like a hundred grand to do a video that was 8,000 views.
It's insane.
I wish I was getting that.
That'd be amazing.
It was crazy.
Because those that tenant channel was not getting crazy views.
Right.
I think he was getting the most of all of them.
But like it seems ineffective if you're the Russians.
Well, I think I think it was literally just to get the headlines.
Because all of a sudden now everyone who hates Tim or Dave Rubin or whoever else is on that network, everyone says it's Russia.
And all the comments always, it's Russia, Russia, Russia.
And when I say hijack certain things, like to me, it reminded me of how rap was hijacked by the CIA or like how the modern art movement was hijacked by the CIA, right?
When they were trying to go against Russia during the Cold War.
So they kept funding a lot of these, like Jackson Pollock perhaps or like Rothko, you know, and be like, I don't know about any of this.
Like allegedly, the CIA was pumping money to fund these.
I don't think the artists knew.
I could be wrong.
I don't think the artists knew that they were getting money from the CIA.
But they, from what I've heard, were pumping money into it to make this seem like it was more important.
Because in Russia, you couldn't express yourself like that.
Or like what I was saying earlier with the weird scenes from Laurel Canyon.
Yeah.
They hijacked the counterculture, you know, allegedly.
You know, I think if Tom says this in chaos or if it's in weird scenes, but the anti war movement really started out as like more like button up dudes with like short haircuts, you know?
And then Laurel Canyon would, the argument with that book would be like, we put in crazy hippies on LSD to discredit that movement.
So when I saw the Tenant thing happen, in my opinion, it's like you got all the headlines you wanted to go on.
So I just discredit them.
Did they fund anyone else besides Tim?
Oh, there's a whole bunch of people.
Tenant was like a network.
You know, I don't remember if it was like Dave Rubin.
Oh, Dave Rubin was a part of it too.
Yes, I remember that now.
Yeah, but like, I don't even know how long he was a part of it, but like, there was a, there was like five or six people who were part of like bigger names in like the real like political like podcast world.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense that if like, if these people are already like having dissident voices in the US, why Russia would have the incentive to inject money into that?
It doesn't seem like it.
And it seems extremely like not cost effective.
Anything is possible.
Like, Russia has done weird things where they like, uh, I think I even heard on one of your recent shows that story where Russia funded both sides of a protest, right?
And like, so they got one side to be like, we're going to go protest on this side of the street and another side.
So like, it wasn't organic at all.
Russia was behind the whole thing.
So like, they do do weird things and like, they do try to undermine our society.
You know, the whole Yuri Bezmanov thing, like they do try to collapse society through like the voices and the universities and all that stuff.
So it's possible.
I personally think it was CIA or our own government trying to do it.
I don't know.
But it was very odd.
It was very odd because all of a sudden, my boss is in the news under like, I don't know what that was.
And now my mind is saying, well, if they're saying we're attached to Russia now, then that allows the government to open up FISA warrants on anyone in that circle.
Oh, really?
Because it wasn't the FISA warrants where it gives the government the ability to spy on people without a warrant, especially if they're working with a foreign government.
Oh, yes.
So now it's like literally that gives anyone in that orbit, me, anyone.
Allows them to do that now.
And I assume they were doing it beforehand, honestly, if you know about like the Lockheed Martin satellites that are up there and heat mapping the globe in real time.
But it definitely gives that incentive to do that.
But like nothing's happened.
Like if there was something more pressing and they were actually Russian agents or being funneled Russian information, I would have figured there'd be more to come out.
Like that's why the headlines to me were that was their goal was to discredit amongst the people.
But it was weird because it was a lot of money to these people and it came out of nowhere.
You know, and I know like Tim and them, they're all like friends, they know each other from way back, you know.
Who Tim and who, like Lauren and all of them, like Ruben, like that.
That's like a long, those guys have known each other for a long time.
He used to write at Vice, didn't he, way back in the day?
Vice, yeah, I forget the other place.
Um, I used to write for Vice as well.
Um, but he was like big time Vice.
I don't think he started like the political part of Vice, but he was one of the first like people to really do like that on the ground reporting, uh, for Vice and stuff.
Uh, but yeah, dude, I don't know, it was really bizarre.
It was very bizarre, the whole thing.
Uh, and I think it.
I really do think that there's probably something we'll find out about it in terms of the government being behind it.
Our government.
I don't know.
Could be wrong, though.
It's so funny how online it's like everybody suspects everybody of being a Fed and working for the Feds, being funded by the Feds.
I mean, it's like, probably.
I see how stupid it is just in the comments.
People think that I'm a Fed.
Oh, we're all Feds.
Yeah.
And then, like, I catch myself being like, that guy's got to be fucking Fed all the time, dude.
He's got to be Mossad.
But you have to kind of think like that.
That's why I started calling.
But you got to catch yourself.
I know.
You definitely got to be skeptical of your skepticism.
But, like, I started calling the Fed Internet Theory because everyone on the Internet, there's dead Internet Theory, then there's Fed Internet Theory where it's not all bots.
A lot of them are Feds.
You see a lot of these accounts pop up on Twitter.
That person just doesn't seem organic.
Oh, yeah.
All the time.
All the time.
And I catch myself, I talk to some of these people sometimes.
I meet them in real life.
I'm like, you know, interesting.
Interesting.
But I know people think about me as well.
I came out of nowhere.
I was on a farm in New York as a professor.
And now I'm on like Tim's show, right?
And if you say something someone doesn't like, then they're immediately, they'll call you whatever.
Mossad, Russian, you know, it depends which side they're coming from.
And for the people who didn't like Tim, the Russian thing gave them way more ammunition to be like, well, he's been told what to say, you know?
Yeah.
And that does have an effect on some people.
Like, I think there are some people out there and be like, wow, really?
And they don't look into it too much.
And they'll be like, wow, was he not believing anything?
You know?
And, you know, because I've seen that happen throughout, like I'm saying, with certain things about rap or Laurel Canyon.
Some of these things are just not organic.
No.
So they don't fit.
A lot of the stuff right now doesn't feel organic.
And right now, it's really easy to do that because of the AI stuff, you know, and how people are duped so easily.
You know, like I think half of Biden's public appearances were probably deep fakes.
Really?
Dude, he was a corpse, first of all.
Like, they reanimated a corpse.
To be president, and then some of those things just didn't feel right.
Some of those videos of him are weird.
They are weird why.
Why was he getting vaccinated in a fake Oval Office, right?
What was that about?
Like his whole presidency just felt fake to me.
Yeah, I didn't get it at all, but like yeah, I don't know, I don't know, the whole thing was weird.
Uh, it seems to have like just gone away.
Like I think, from what i've heard, like they're not even pursuing anything with the tenant stuff, so really I haven't heard anything yet uh, and everyone else is.
Just seems to be fine.
How long ago was that?
Was that like a year ago now?
Probably a maybe a year or so ago?
Um, Some of those people have just disappeared, though.
Like, I haven't seen much from them.
Maybe they're doing work, like the people who were hired to be part of Tenant, like the talking heads, if you will.
Right.
But, like, it just, Culture War show went right back to Tim.
And it's, I think, doing just way better now.
Really?
It was on Tenant.
Because no one, I don't know what it was, like why Tenant wasn't blowing up.
It had all these big names on it.
And it just wasn't, you know, I was like, wow, we would have, you know, big names on some shows.
And just, it was, like, into obscurity.
Yeah.
Like, not doing as well as, like, performing like IRL or something like that.
So, yeah, I've noticed these weird comments communities on like X and on YouTube where like there's been this crazy thing where like everybody wants to blame Israel for everything.
And especially like the JFK stuff comes out.
And I haven't read all those new declassified JFK documents.
I haven't read 80,000 documents.
No, yeah, I haven't read them all.
What the heck is wrong with you?
I haven't read one of them.
But it's funny like how now it's like the consensus of every comment section on every video is like if you're not blaming Israel for killing JFK, you're a moron.
Yeah, I know.
Then you're a fed.
Yeah, it's annoying.
It goes back to what I was saying about you having one boogeyman in your mind.
Like Israel's not good.
Neither is our government.
Neither is any government.
I just don't like any government.
And Israel is really bad.
I judge Israel based off how I judge lots of governments.
How were they during COVID?
They were tyrannical.
Yes.
I don't like that.
So I am very against that.
But you look up the Lavender thing.
I'm also way against that.
And I do know that they've been a part of a lot of bad things.
A lot of bad things.
We've been part of so many bad things.
So it's really hard to pick apart and just be like, that's the boogeyman.
It really oversimplifies the evil in the world.
I think.
But I'm also not downplaying it because they're crazy people.
Like the government's crazy.
Thinking that you can, if they are using Lavender and they have that high of an error rate and you're killing people based on the predictive policing of AI, like that is so crazy to me.
But yeah, it's become easy for people to just write off everything, you know, and that is a problem because it's like it's going to stop people from having real conversations about real, like we're not going to solve real problems with evil in the world if we're just focusing on one thing.
Because it's unfortunate.
It's not just one thing.
It's many things.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
And so, with the JFK files, it was funny seeing everyone being like, Oh, it's going to be Israel.
We know.
Yeah.
We know.
And like, I saw one comment that said, If I see one more person talk about JFK without mentioning Israel, they're like, I'm going to lose it.
Well, it's become a fetish for people.
Yeah.
Like, it's like they want to be whipped by Israel.
But you're unfortunately being whipped by everyone.
With the thing with me and the JFK files, I thought it was interesting.
I haven't read all of them, but I read a lot is like the new Operation Mongoose files that came out of just like very nonchalant CIA memos about like, All right, you know, we think we should just use a bioweapon to destroy all the crops.
You're like, okay, that sounds good.
And that's what they were doing.
They were just setting, I don't know what chemical it was, but they would be like, all right, we'll destroy it with a bioweapon, but it'll look natural.
And they'll think it was natural.
I'm like, well, how long have they been doing that?
Where was this?
In Cuba.
Wow.
To Cuba.
Wow.
Yeah.
To Cuba.
It's totally insane.
So, like, but we knew about mongoose.
The files were, to me, a joke because, like, we knew about most of that stuff.
A lot of that stuff is just, you're getting like new angles on certain things that we already knew about.
Mongoose was just like the sabotage stuff they were doing over there.
Yeah.
So, like, we'll just destroy the crops and all these things.
You know, I think all that's super interesting to me.
But, like, I was looking for anything military industrial complex wise.
It's like, that might be if I have a boogeyman, right?
That's mine.
Right.
It's like, yeah.
Well, it's like, you know, who had the motive to kill JFK?
Well, okay.
Let's just ignore the fact that the Joint Chiefs of Staff absolutely wanted him fucking gone.
Yeah.
Let's just ignore that and think Israel wanted nuclear material.
So they must have done it.
Right.
I just think of Northwoods.
Right, yeah, right, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and like Lemnitzer, and uh, yeah, that stuff is insane to me.
Look, look, even RFK Jr. says it, he doesn't believe that, but they get mad at him for saying he doesn't believe what he said.
I think he told Tim this actually when he was on Tim's show.
He doesn't believe Northwoods and the Joint Chiefs of Staff had anything to do with the assassination, like him, like JFK turning down that.
I was shocked.
That was at the like, I think that was a libertarian convention or whatever, but um, I was shocked.
I'm like, really, the fact that he wanted to pull everyone out of Vietnam and they wanted to ramp up Vietnam, he wanted to shatter the CIA, you know, and scatter it into the wind, exactly.
So, like, you know, I look at the.
Everybody has their own flavor of JFK, dude.
The UFO people think it was UFOs.
It's all of them.
And it goes back to post reality.
You go online, you'll find your answer.
And maybe it's all of them together.
The aliens were working in tandem with Lemnitz and Fidel Castro and Israel.
And maybe, you know, maybe that's more like the truth.
But, like, the military industrial complex stuff to me is like we are now totally in the grips of that.
I love listening to the Eisenhower speech, the last speech he gave before JFK came in the office, where he warns the American people about the military industrial complex.
And, like, the one thing.
That Biden ever said that I agreed with on his last day in office was warning the American people about the tech industrial complex.
I was like, why is he doing that now?
That was his last thing he said.
And I'm like, he's probably just upset because now all these people have turned on him.
You know, like all these people that were in support of the Biden administration are now pro Trump and MAGA suddenly.
But I think that is a true threat, like with everything we were saying earlier, the tech industrial complex.
But like now they're married.
The military industrial complex is the tech industrial complex.
Like you look at Palantir, that is a clear example of the marriage.
Of these, like this unholy matrimony of these people.
Well, it's interesting that, like, there was that story how Google was using, like, surveillance satellites or something for war stuff, similar to what Palantir's doing.
I didn't see that.
This was a long time ago.
Not surprised.
And Google basically, like, shut down that program, saying that we're not willing to work with, you know, the war hawks and the government to, like, fucking overtake other countries.
So then Palantir basically took the ball where they left off.
Oh, right.
And Alex Karp thought, like, well, if I'm going to benefit and make billions of dollars off of developing technology in this amazing country, the number one country on earth, why am I not going to try to push forward our military capabilities and establish our footprint in the rest of the world?
He's like, I'm going to take full advantage of it.
All those guys, Teal especially, are very against competition.
They're pro monopoly.
That's what they say.
Teal is pro monopoly.
He'll buy up everything.
And make himself bigger.
So that makes sense with what you just said.
And like Altman, Sam Altman from OpenAI is very inspired by Teal and by the quotes about being a monopoly.
So, like, we are in this new industrial revolution, you know, but it's going to be the AI stuff and it's going to be like the new machine age.
And it's kind of reflective of the old industrial revolution, the second one, really.
Like, you know, after the Luddites and then post civil war, post civil war, it's like we get monopolies eventually.
You know, and we see Rockefeller literally doing what Palantir is doing now, but Organically, like data harvesting through all his competitors to know how to undercut their prices, you know.
So, that's just like an early version of what's going on.
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And it's all tied, it's so funny to me because it's so similar to how we are now because we also had a new form of journalism back then with like what was her name?
Ida Tarbell or something, but like the muckrakers, right?
And so now she's looking into these monopolies that that would help inform Teddy Roosevelt on what he wanted to do to break up these monopolies, you know.
And I don't know how much I agree with all that, like.
Breaking things up because I don't really want the government to have any power over me.
But, you know, that's we're there now.
Yeah.
We're there now.
Like, this Facebook stuff, I think is maybe it's not going to blow up because people don't seem to care.
You know, they see a tic tac now UFO video and no one cares.
New York Times, in like how many years ago, wrote about we have an off world vehicle not made of this earth in space.
Like, no one cared.
You know, the Mexican corpse, the alien corpses that Mexico brought out were a joke.
So it's like, oh, yeah, yeah.
When I see Zuckerberg being basically proven to be a liar under oath, I'm like, Do people care tomorrow or are we just going to forget?
Because we're so complacent with everything.
It's crazy how fast that story of the Trump assassination just disappeared and how fast the narrative changed to we jumped to the Olympics thing the next day.
The Butler one?
Yeah, that one is insane.
No one talks about it.
No one in the media talks about it anymore.
Nope.
There was all kinds of weird stuff with that guy, right?
Way weird stuff.
Yeah.
And they burned his body before anyone got there.
They did?
Whoever handled him.
They'll say they didn't, but there was a senator who went out and did his own investigation, wrote this really interesting report.
He even went and looked.
To see if there was anyone else on the water tower.
Remember that theory?
Yeah.
And he says before he was able to inspect the body, they cremated him.
Really?
They and the other people said that didn't happen.
But like, I don't know.
I think the whole thing is super weird.
There's that story of the guy showing up on the roof and taking pictures and like everyone being like, he was like, text me all your pictures.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The photo of that guy.
Yeah, yeah.
I remember seeing those videos.
Which reminded me of like the umbrella man to a degree at the JFK, you know, in the Grassy Knoll.
Like just these weird characters now emerge from that like failed assassination attempt.
I, I, I personally think like it was a failure of we're in like a pandemic of incompetence because everyone's just failing at their jobs.
And then through that failure of incompetence, the deep state, whatever you want to call it, was able to sneak in a bad actor and try to take out Trump.
Yeah.
Because my first reaction to it was like, there's no way it was like any sort of military intelligence operation because they wouldn't have missed.
If it was a CIA, they absolutely wouldn't have fucking missed.
Right.
Right.
Like it seems.
To me, like the most reasonable explanation is there was maybe some sort of like rogue group, a very small rogue group within the military or a military or government that, you know, met with somebody and said, We got to make this happen.
And not many people knew about it.
And it was just like very discombobulated, which is why it failed.
And then there's the anti Trump people on the right, like who think he's a bad actor, who will be like, It was done to make him more sympathetic.
And to like get him elected.
That's a whole theory out there, you know.
There are people who think he's the Antichrist and all that stuff.
I personally don't think that.
Like, I was reluctant to vote for him this time because of what I'm saying to you today about all these people around him.
Like, I really have a hard time supporting that.
I did vote, and I actually don't know if I regret it, but I don't feel good about it because I don't like these people at all and anywhere near him.
When I think of Trump, I'm like, I think he's just, he reminds me of my grandma when I explained to her what hashtags are.
Oh, Oh my goodness, this is so amazing.
I don't really get it, but it's a future.
So, like, when he's seeing the rockets launch from SpaceX, it's amazing.
I don't know.
I like to think that he doesn't understand that these people are dystopian vampires building a horrible environment around him and using him.
But maybe he does.
I just don't.
My gut says he doesn't understand.
But he's just very impressed with the innovation and that Trump's biggest flaw, one of his biggest flaws, is his need to be liked by even the people who hate him.
Like, he hates the corporate press.
But he loves the corporate press.
He wants them to like him so badly.
He wants to be welcomed back into the fold that he was once a part of.
As much as he claims not to be, I think, and the right with him, they want to be accepted by a lot of these people.
That's why they all freak out when some celebrity all of a sudden puts on a red hat.
I'm like, let's not do that.
Just because they're agreeing with you now doesn't mean it's for good intentions.
But I still like to extend grace to them.
And maybe I'm wrong.
But probably not.
What do you think?
With this whole Elon Trump thing and this whole Doge thing?
How do you think this all plays out?
I don't know.
So, like, thinking back to history, I think of, I think his name was Frederick Taylor, Taylorism, they called it, or scientific management.
It was all about efficiency.
It was during the second industrial revolution where he's like, we need to make factories way more efficient.
All right, that's awesome.
Efficiency is great.
But it turned, you know, there's lots of negative consequences to it.
Yeah.
Like, workers were suffering.
It was horrible.
And that's why we would eventually get the muckrakers and stuff who saw how, these environments were really bad and anti-human and that they started to view people as just replaceable parts.
Right, and then allegedly someone like Lenin and Stalin and Mao.
They were impressed by Taylorism and that's how informed a lot of their Marxist views on how to run a very centralized state um, that they claim is efficient.
Uh, i'm not saying that's where we're going, but that feels like.
Uh, there's a lot of people with a lot of money trying to consolidate power Into one place, and that will have total control over us, whether it's a technocracy, whether it's just like invisible technocracy that's happening right now.
Um, I'm worried about it because when you have experts in charge, like I said in the beginning, how do you define an expert?
Mao thought he was an expert, and all his people were experts as they industrialized China, but the great leap forward was catastrophic.
They had a whole one of the worst famines in society in the world because of experts saying many things, but one of them was like, we should just kill the sparrows.
Because the sparrows remind me of freedom in America.
But then the sparrows were the ones that ate the bugs and the crops.
And the bugs not being there.
The swallows not being, the sparrows not being there.
The bugs were there.
The bugs ate the crops, killed the crops.
That's just one aspect of like the Four Pests campaign that came out of the engineers and the scientists and experts of Mao.
So it's like, that's like the sick, bad version of Taylorism married to communism.
Yeah.
And it feels like we're heading towards that because when I talk about like dissidents now, Being reluctant to criticize this administration.
Yeah.
A lot of those dissidents believed in small government as I do.
Like, I want a really small government.
I'm not an anarchist, man, not yet.
After a bad day, it's tax day.
So I do feel like an anarchist today.
It is tax day.
I do feel like one today.
But, you know, they're going, these dissidents who were so vocal about small government now are very pro Elon.
And Elon is literally consolidating everything down, just like the X at X. That's his everything app.
That's consolidating banking, your whole life down into an app, which is antithetical to the- Didn't he say he wanted a Model X off of that Chinese company?
I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, he loves China.
They're good to him.
Right.
It's as good as our military is to him.
You know, he makes a lot of money off all these places.
So with Doge, I think it's great.
But like, if they- So like, where I live in West Virginia, we're like an hour and a half outside of DC.
I talk to a lot of these people who are getting fired because of Doge.
Oh, yeah.
Because they're like commuters, right?
A lot of them are like these Christians, churchgoers, Trump voters.
And like, we didn't expect it to be like this.
And I have a hard time being sympathetic because I really hate the government.
I really hate these, this overly, you know, this ballooned government, this wasteland.
You know, like I love Doge cutting all this stuff.
But it dawned on me talking to this one guy when he's getting those emails about like, what are the five things you did this week?
You know, I'm like, who's reading those emails?
And it's like, they're not hiring new people to just read the emails.
It's going through Grok or something.
And then I'll get like, oh, that's a leftist talking point.
I think it's a fair talking point to make.
Like, I don't.
I don't like the AI overlords running everything.
And so I'd see that as the future is like they're going to slowly get rid of humans, implement AI as this digital god, as Elon calls it.
And then they're probably going to fight over which AI has control.
Elon's pretty close.
So he's there.
But Teal works with Altman, with Andrew Will has, they work with OpenAI to make their ghost drones and all that stuff.
So there'll be a war over who's in charge.
So maybe that's a good thing for us.
But yeah, I don't know.
I feel like we're monopolizing it all.
I remember when that story first came out about the workers having to email what they got done that week or whatever.
And like I was arguing, my dad, I told my dad about it.
He's like, no, you're fucking wrong.
Fox News said that it was only remote workers that have to do it.
And at the time, my dad was at the VA because he got pneumonia and he goes to the VA whenever he has to go to the hospital.
And I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like, well, let's ask your nurses.
I'm like, ask your nurses if they got the email.
And he did.
And they're like, yeah, we got the email.
All the fucking nurses at the VA.
It's great.
And it just fed right into AI.
You know, it's like I know people who have a lot of people lost their jobs recently and now they're up against AI in another way because all these places are now using AI to review resumes.
And if, like, you're if your thing for whatever reason doesn't check all the AI things and not a human looking at it, you're done.
Like, how do you fight?
So, you're losing your job to AI and now you're not able to get a job because of AI.
And that these people are very open about it.
Altman, you know, Ellison, all these people are being like, yeah, that's the future.
You know, that's why they want UBI.
That's why they're these have these, um, Private cities, you know, they think it'll be a beautiful future, like Elon says, where you can have a robot babysitter, you can have your car drive you around while you play video games.
But that's kind of what Yuval Harari said about the useful idiots that refuse that society, that total digital society, that you'll just drug them and give them video games to be complacent, which is why I'm like, no, we're there.
We're pretty close.
I just, I want people to like just reject it.
You don't have to like be anti all this stuff because it's amazing, it's fun.
But like, you have to, I mean, you have to have everything in moderation.
Yeah.
To like, you know, our kids are inheriting this really dark, dystopian world.
I think it's, you know, it's pretty nightmarish.
But, you know, throughout history, you can always say that it's always been nightmarish.
But for now, but right now, it's like what makes it different is that it's literally a war in your brain.
Yeah.
They are literally looking to get in your brain.
And when you, you put all these things together, Palantir, Clearview, the meta thing with the brain waves, um, lavender, that's like Skynet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
At a certain point, that is going to be Skynet.
And like I said that recently on some show, I forget.
And like I got pushback from Tim and some other guests.
They're like, it won't be like that.
I'm like, Elon literally just compared it to Skynet on Rogan.
Like he literally just said, he just said he watched Terminator and he's like, Oh, we're almost there.
I'm like, He's the guy making this stuff.
Yeah.
So, like, I'm basing on my own research, but I'm also listening to these guys talk about it every day.
It's interesting.
Yeah.
Cause Rogan seems to be one of the guys that's super optimistic about it.
I mean, he's been talking about the Neuralink and he's like obsessed with this idea of nonverbal communication with not into it, with like, you know, being able to see people or basically transmit thoughts back and forth and be able to understand people's intentions.
Like immediately.
Not good.
He seems to be a really big, big fan of it or really interested in this idea.
Yeah.
He asked Mark Andreessen when he was on recently, like, how long till we get the AI government?
And I get it.
You know, he's in that world.
He's in Austin.
A lot of these companies are there.
He's talking to these people.
He's seeing a lot of the positive aspects.
You know, like Tim Poole recently interviewed, I think, David Sachs, one of the AI czars.
And, you know, Tim was starting an interview with like, talking about more like, the consequences of AI.
And Sachs was just like, I'm tired of talking about negative consequences.
Yeah.
I'm like, I'm sorry.
There's a lot to talk about when it comes to, we're allowed to have concerns over these things, especially when you all go around saying we're going to be out of jobs.
Yeah.
Like there's, there's beauty coming out of it.
Like for forever, I've, I refuse to use any AI.
Yeah.
I've never touched it until very recently.
I've been asking grok questions just to see, because I feel like I've been criticizing.
It's like when people criticize a movie they've never seen.
I'd be like, I got to, I got to use it, you know, just see what it's like.
And it's fascinating.
Yeah.
Because I'll go back and use Google for the same questions and they suck.
Like, Grok is way better.
Is it really?
From so far, I can ask certain questions about history and it gives me a way more in depth look.
Obviously, I can go read a book or go get a book on Google Books or buy a book and listen to something.
There's that route.
But just in terms of the AI answers on Google and the AI answers on Grok, so far, Grok is better.
And I understand how this is awesome.
Yeah, but what happens when you start asking Grok and Google different questions about history and they both?
Giving you completely different answers.
Grok's like it's missing.
Who was the villain in World War II?
Google says Hitler.
Grok says it was Winston Churchill.
Because now the AI is going to have its own post reality.
And they're going to be competing.
Right.
Who programmed?
Just like when.
Well, that's the way.
That's how you get power is you fucking split the population up.
Yeah.
And that's where we're at.
We're so fractured now.
Yeah.
There's no.
You can have anything you want, any reality you want.
It's.
That's kind of going back to how I was saying about I needed religion in my life because I was spinning out of control.
And like, I wanted my kids to have some sort of moral center.
Yeah.
Because I was like, look.
I'm a very flawed person and I know nothing because I'm just a little human being.
But I need to attach myself to something ancient, but also modern, which is a weird thing for me to think, you know, after years of not taking it seriously.
Yeah.
But a lot of the things I see when I read the Bible, I see like that evil is just, it's infinite.
Like it's never, it's always here.
It's the same thing.
We're always up against the same sort of thing.
It's always a war for you.
It's just different ways of doing it.
So like that, that's for me where I'm coming from at it now, because I needed like some sort of shield against the evil.
Cause I think it's just straight up evil.
I think a lot of this stuff is very anti-human, even though they bill it as a beautiful thing.
They say it's positive.
They say it's going to be great for you.
And that's like, you know, they say like when Elon's saying, you know, you can have, you play video games all day, it's going to be great.
You're going to be smarter.
That hasn't been the case.
We have, we are more connected now than ever, but people are more isolated.
Suicides are up.
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Yeah.
The MAID program in Canada was like 5% of deaths a year ago.
So you can just sign up for suicide in Canada.
Like we're not well.
Right.
Right.
The kids are not smart.
They're not smarter.
They're dumber.
I was a professor for a while.
Trust me, it's not good.
The public school systems are failing the kids.
So, you know, I would get kids in and be like, they didn't know what even the degree that temperature freezing was.
Like they just didn't have basic skills.
So, like, When they say the AI is just going to make everything better, I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Like, allegedly, the AI just passed the Turing test the other day.
Yeah, I saw that.
And I was thinking, like, does that mean just humans are dumber and getting worse at recognizing AI versus humans?
You know, they said it was like a 75% success rate or something.
And I don't doubt it.
You know, when I'm reading these, the Grok things, I'm impressed.
I'm like, this is, it's eerie.
I try to test Grok a lot.
I'm like, I'll put up really dry humor a lot.
And I like to see what Grok says about it now.
Like, I kind of tricked it yesterday, but not really.
I was like, I put up a, Quote that I said was from Katy Perry, and I put up the picture of the astronaut who was stuck in space for nine months.
But the quote wasn't from Katy Perry, it was from William Shatner when he was in the Blue Origin thing.
And I just want to see if Grok would know that this was like super dry because it's caught other really dry humor.
And it didn't, it was like, this is a Katy Perry quote from her Blue Origin.
I'm like, that's nice.
Now that I say it, now it's going to be like, oh, now we know.
Right.
But I was curious because I'll say one sentence just like jokes on Twitter, it immediately knows it's a joke.
Even though it's very dry.
Interesting.
I'm like, that's impressive to me.
The fact that it's starting to register sarcasm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now that means, you know, I'm feeding it.
You know, we all are.
And it's going to get better at everything because it's just been eating everything we do because it's a vampire.
Yeah.
The Neuralink telepathic communication thing is like super crazy to me because it's like, you know, some people like Rogan think it's a great thing because you're going to be able to catch people in lies or be able to like, Tell if people are trying to fucking sell you some horse shit or whatever, and it's going to make it's going to make communication better and it's going to get rid of nefarious or bad actors.
But like, if you think about thoughts, right?
At least my thoughts, my mind is like a hornet's nest of just crazy shit running around, and it's not necessarily things that I want people to know, right?
Right.
Like, if I'm like for a reason, if I'm right, if I'm like waiting in line or something and I see something, I might have some fucking crazy, fucked up thought go through my head.
That doesn't mean that's what I want to.
communicate to that person.
Like how does that machine now tell the difference between a passing just crazy thought and you having that real thought?
Right.
Because like think about like when you communicate, like when you like you would know better than anybody, like when you write something, like you have to go through a lot of refining.
Oh yeah.
There's drafts.
There's drafts, right?
You have to draft things to distill it down to the most optimal way to communicate this idea to somebody else.
Right.
But when you're removing all these layers of refining and drafting communication, you're just going straight from this fucking Hornets' nest clusterfuck of chaos in your mind straight to somebody else, it's going to be just, it seems like just massive miscommunication.
It's not going to be good.
It's going to overwhelm people, first of all, and probably make it so you don't even want to go outside if you have that ability and you're connected to this network.
But then also, it'll feed into this idea of the homicide prediction unit.
This is predictive policing within your brain.
And how are they going to parse through bad ideas?
Who's looking through the bad ideas?
I already don't like Googling certain things.
If I'm writing a story and it's a crazy thing I have to look up, now I'm like, oh, now they know I looked into that.
It makes me very uncomfortable.
But that is the final frontier inside your brain.
Yeah, knowing what you're thinking, you know, it should be about body language, you know, in person, you know, and just sharing your thoughts without someone.
Imagine what it would be like to think while in a conversation, you know, like right now we could have different thoughts happening while we're talking, and there's a screen now that playing the other thoughts.
That would be kind of interesting, actually, for the show, but alarming, you know, because and that's what Meta is doing, where it's like, we're going to read the brainwaves and translate that into an image.
It's going to be great for the companies that want to sell you stuff and great for the police who want to police you, great for the war companies that want to destroy you.
But it's just another step in hurting interpersonal relationships, just how they should be.
I just think it should be as least amount of technology as possible.
I say that as we're surrounded by cameras and TV and the phone.
But this is still, it's just radio to me.
I really reject that society.
I really do worry about the kids.
Who are going to grow up and not have that foundation where they really like cherish personal relationships?
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You know, like the lady who drove me here today, she's been learning English for two years and she uses her driving to learn English.
So she immediately, she was like, this lady's really chatty.
What's up with that?
And she told me eventually, like, I'm learning English right now.
Oh, really?
And it was a very choppy.
So I'm like, now I'm like her data set for a large language model.
But like, I love that.
You know, I love that.
Like, I get to learn about her history, you know, real quick 20 minute drive.
We're talking about all this stuff.
We're talking about music, English, Spanish, all this stuff.
And, you know, these are the things I kind of like miss with a lot of the world today.
I was very mad when Easy Pass happened in New York because they got rid of all the toll booths.
And I'm that psychopath who would have conversations with the toll booth people who really, people behind me hate it.
But, like, one of my early stories for Inverted World started at a toll booth because the guy, my wife's name is Nancy, his wife's name was Nancy.
Oh, wow.
And I don't know how that even started, but every time I go to the toll booth, he gave me like an extra little bit of information from his life.
And like his brother was like shot by the police because the Irish mafia paid them off to do it in Hell's Kitchen in New York City.
Crazy story.
I was like, this isn't.
So every time I go through the toll booth and he was there, he'd tell me more of the story.
And eventually I'd go to his house and we had a long, really chat where I interviewed him and turned this into a story.
I missed that.
Now it's just drive right through.
I know that's like a small thing, but I love that ability to just talk to people.
Yeah.
People would honk at me and it wasn't the most polite sometimes.
It's like, I just need to know.
Why do you think they buried him underneath this concrete slab where they were building a racetrack?
It was fascinating stories, and I love getting those stories from people.
So a lot of the stuff that's happening today is making us way more isolated.
Yeah, it's really rare.
And it's something that I noticed too, with a lot of the media and the reporting and the journalism that goes on nowadays, far less of it is people actually going places and talking to people there and getting firsthand experience of it.
I feel like 90% of the reporting and the journalism that comes out.
Nowadays, it is reporting on, you know, like third, fourth, fifth hand stuff.
Oh, yeah.
Right?
It's like, yeah, it's disgusting.
It's like the human centipede of information.
And this is a debate that Twitter was having just in the past week because of the Douglas Murray.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That was it.
And I hate the way that he did that too because he was trying to use that like to discredit Dave.
Oh, you haven't been there?
What are you even talking about?
And it's like, I didn't agree with him at that point because it doesn't matter.
Like, it's on the ground reporting is great.
Yes.
But it shouldn't be the ultimate thing to your opinions.
And like, I mentioned the Walter Durante story where he was going to the Soviet Union and he was given like the nice prepackaged tour.
He didn't see the famines.
And eventually, I guess he did know, but he didn't report on them.
He didn't want to Pulitzer.
So that's on the ground reporting.
That's fake.
Yeah.
And we know.
You can name any war going on, and they go and they get like just a nice tour from that government who wants you to be a propagandist.
So, when I said that, people were like, Oh, so you don't think on the ground reporting is important?
I'm like, That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that this guy is discrediting Dave's opinion because he hasn't been to this place, but it doesn't always matter.
Right.
However, it is important to go.
And I want all the people to go so I can get all the perspectives.
I've done on the ground reporting for a bunch of different things.
Like, I was able to see like the border wall at Yuma, and it was insane.
It was crazy than I even thought it would be.
Not in terms of like people running across the border, just in terms of like, How dystopian are the edge of our country is, and there's just this giant like wall that homemade ladders are thrown over, yeah.
You know, that they climb over, and like the uh, the border patrol, they're insane, you know, they don't care.
The ones I met, at least, they were more worried about me driving around for my story, I was allowed to be there, than they worry about people coming over the border, yeah, and the amount of fentanyl coming through like millions of pounds coming over the border on tunnels or through drones, you know.
And uh, I thought that was fascinating, so like I got that, but you know.
I always say, like, don't just trust me.
I'm just one person with a whole lot of baggage in my brain.
You know, read as much as you can, whether it's on the ground or not, right?
Because there's also books, you know?
So that was a really interesting debate for me, but also like a really important one to have, especially right now, what we're talking about with media and everything going on.
Because look at all these influencers in the White House.
They're on the ground.
I'm like, I don't feel like I'm getting the full story from them.
You know, like they're right there and they're not asking the questions I think are important.
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Yeah.
I think it could.
And they'll be like, well, it's still early.
But I'm like, I don't know.
There's a lot going on right now that I think we should be talking about.
You know, I don't, I'm not in my life when I'm talking to these people in West Virginia, a lot of this awesome stuff coming out of Doge, it's awesome, but it's like an abstract joy because everyone's still suffering, right?
There's still like, we're all poor.
And like the gas prices haven't dropped yet, by us at least.
The food's still expensive.
Everyone's living paycheck to paycheck.
So while it's amazing that we're cutting all this stuff with Doge, you know, there hasn't yet been real like, Improvement to people's lives, and then I guess the argument would be like, Well, it takes time totally, but it just sucks that in the inverse it can be overnight for them to ruin your life, yeah.
You know, like when Biden got in, um, with the pipeline, I was like the Keystone pipeline, like he cut that in like immediately, whatever pipeline it was, and that had a direct impact on everyone, yeah, in prices, yeah.
Um, so I wish it could be the opposite.
Now, I'm just seeing a lot of people not really getting on board with it, and I'm seeing a lot of people really uh, disenchanted, like to tie all this AI stuff and Trump.
Together and then with Maha, like the AI movement and these tech billionaire vampires are in direct conflict with Maha.
And day two of Trump's being in office right now, he announced Project Stargate, right?
Did you see that?
No.
$500 billion to AI.
Sam Altman's there, Larry Ellison.
500 billion?
Yes.
Why are they calling it Stargate?
Interesting, right?
Because I don't think Stargate ever ended.
I think this is just like a continuation of ESP mind.
We were talking about telekinesis.
This is just a continuation of that.
We got it.
Dude, this is a lot of money.
This is his second day in office.
You have to remember DeepSeek was that China's AI thing that came out?
That day.
So we're in like a cold war with this stuff.
An AI race.
And then when Deep Sea came out, Mark Andreessen was like, this is a Sputnik moment.
And I agree.
This is big.
But why I say it's in direct conflict with Maha is that at this press conference, Altman and Ellison go up and they're like, we're going to use AI to take your blood samples and see if you got any weird cancer.
And if we find your cancer, we will make designer 48 hour MRNA vaccines.
Yeah.
And like you hear that, and then all the maha moms.
They're the human genome project.
Yeah.
All the maha moms are like, what do you mean?
Yeah.
And so when they see RFK Jr. not like, you know, kind of being a little more pro MRNA vaccines, then you see this, you know, people are reluctant now to really, you know, the maha crowd, at least I'm talking to.
I mean, there's some who are still in support, obviously, but I see this as a direct slap in the face to maha.
There's a lot of people who think RFK Jr. is like a Trojan horse for the pharmaceutical companies.
There's a lot of people who think he's like Mossad or controlled by Mossad.
Oh, yeah, there was that crazy story that came out.
Yeah, it was crazy.
Who was the one who was Ian?
Candace Owens, I think.
Oh, yeah, and Ian.
Carol.
And Ian.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think he's been on this show.
He's been on my show.
We had some pretty crazy conversations with Ian.
I like Ian.
But I don't know if that's the full story.
It goes back to what I'm saying with Boogie, the Boogie Man.
Right?
It's very possible, though, because the Kennedys, in my opinion, are degenerates.
I like the idea of JFK, but if we're talking just on a moral level, I just don't vibe with that.
Right.
They're like, Cheating on their wives.
It's all kind of gross to me, like perverted.
I'm not into that.
Yeah.
But like, look, like I could separate art from the artist.
I try to do that with politicians, but it's a little different because they're actually creating laws about our lives.
Yeah, it's a weird thing.
Like, maybe it's like that's the kind of person you have to be to be in politics and be in Washington.
Then that's, then maybe there's, maybe they can get good stuff done, but maybe they're like, you know, morally, they're pieces of shit.
Yeah.
And they, and they most of them are.
Trump's no, you know, he's not great either.
Yeah.
Clearly.
So, It's funny to me when I see all the purity tests going around.
Yeah.
DC, I almost called it Hollywood.
It was like a Freudian stunt.
It's like, what a no difference.
Tim Dillon called DC the Hollywood for ugly people.
I love Tim Dillon.
That's amazing.
But it's true.
And like, so I'm saying all that to be like, it's very possible that there is blackmail on RFK Jr.
Yeah.
Because he's got a crazy life.
He's like decapitating whales, bear corpses.
He literally had like 35 fucking names and addresses in the black book.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dude, it's weird.
And then there's that whole story.
Like, how do you ignore that?
He had the one reporter who was like sexting him.
Like just recently, right?
Yeah.
That whole story was weird to me because I'm like, if that were me getting those types of messages from some strange lady or whatever she was to him, you're blocked and we're not talking again.
Yeah.
Allegedly, he's opening up the messages, right?
He's blocked.
She's blocked.
She's not blocked.
So that says a lot to me.
If that's true, right?
I don't know.
He's never really addressed it.
But like, I think it's very possible that they do have something on him.
But, or if he's a Trojan horse, possible.
They say the same for Trump.
Because in my mind, he's kind of a Trojan horse for the AI people.
Yeah.
He just gave him $500 billion to build things that I think are insane.
I'm not taking mRNA shots.
I'm not like, It goes back to the whole thing of like, it sounds amazing.
It sounds amazing, but like, this is all like an accelerationism, right?
It sounds amazing as how Elon talks about terraforming Mars.
Like, he's like, you know, to terraform Mars, we'll just, we have to drop thermonuclear bombs on the poles of Mars.
Like, so like, that's how I see this stuff.
It's like, they say it's for the good, but a lot of destruction has to take place first.
Did he really say he dropped thermonuclear bombs on the poles?
Yeah, I think he told it to Colbert.
Yeah, like years ago.
Really?
Yeah.
And he might have changed his mind since then.
But he was like, well, he said there was a fast way and a slow way.
I don't remember what the slow way was.
But the fast way was dropping thermonuclear bombs on the poles of Mars to make it habitable.
Have you heard the story about how there's like they found isotopes on Mars that like are so rare?
It's like they match the exact isotopes they found in like the thermonuclear test sites on Earth.
Yeah.
Hey, possibly.
And it's like people think that there was like an ancient thermonuclear war on Mars or something.
Well, this will connect to my fringe theory.
This is just a fringe theory from my brain now that I'll take outside of it.
But like Elon's from a breakaway civilization.
He's descendant of an ancient civilization that left Earth many, many years ago.
Maybe, maybe that's why his grandfather was looking for the lost civilization of Kalahari.
That's where they're from, you know?
And they went to Mars.
And that's where he was doing a lot of this stuff, or had information passed down to him from an ancient species.
I mean, look, anything's possible now.
And I only say that because, like, Elon's quote is so good.
You know, the most likely outcome is the most entertaining.
So for me, the most likely outcome is the most entertaining.
Is that how it goes?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Huh.
So for me, the most entertaining outcome would be him being from a breakaway civilization.
And that's why he has all these technologies to rule the world and go back to Mars, his home planet.
Yeah.
And he's hopped up on ketamine, right?
So they say.
He's, I mean, if he's, if he is doing all this stuff, he's got to be hopped up on something.
Yeah.
Just like, you know, JFK was hopped up on stuff too.
Yeah.
What were they giving him?
Was it, I forget what drugs are.
Have you heard the story of JFK and Timothy Leary?
No.
Was it Timothy Leary?
There was a story how this one lady named Mary, I forget her last name, but she was one of his like lovers.
And she went to Timothy Leary and she's like, Hey, um, I need some LSD.
I have a really powerful friend that wants to try it, but she wouldn't tell him who it was.
And he's like, I want to go with you.
I can, you know, give it to him and, you know, explain it to him and all this stuff.
She's like, no, you can't even know.
I can't tell you anything about it.
And the story is that she, like, gave Kennedy the LSD.
They did LSD together.
And that was, like, the precipice of him wanting to, like, back out of Vietnam and do all this stuff.
And then that lady was whacked while she was on a run, like, a year later.
What?
This is who it was.
Yeah, Mary Pinchot.
Timothy Leary was associated with Mary Pinchot Meyer.
And she, oh, her husband was in the CIA too.
Of course.
Leary supplied her with LSD and she used it with her lover, JFK.
There's a whole book about it.
It's called Mary's Mosaic.
And Leary later claimed that Meyer helped influence Kennedy's views on nuclear disarmament and rapprochement with Cuba.
Dude.
They MK ultraed him.
Yeah.
That's her.
Yeah.
All right.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
That's a really wild story.
Pretty sure him and.
In Jackie, you were on amphetamines too.
Weren't they getting like some kind of crazy drug injected into them?
I don't know.
Yeah, like I think it was amphetamines.
They called it like the happy doctor or something.
Really?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah.
And he stopped it at one point, but I'm pretty sure he was on something.
But they all are.
Yeah.
They all are.
You kind of have to be.
I always wonder what Trump's on because that guy's like a fucking machine.
Yeah, he comes to be clean.
Elon's definitely on something.
I know you've talked about Kanye too, how he's just like a workaholic.
Yeah.
And this is like.
I saw him eat nothing.
Like I think I saw him eat once in like 24 hours.
Really?
It's crazy watching these people.
They're just.
Fame, like that level of fame, you almost become an alien.
Like you're a different species.
And like watching Kanye, you know, I'm watching him do fashion, architecture, politics.
He's trying to rewrite the Constitution in a night with Reddit and then making music all like in one space.
And like, how is he trying to rewrite the Constitution?
Oh, he thought he could weaponize the autists online to rewrite the Constitution to fit what he thought would be more like Christian based views.
Oh, wow.
And like he wanted to put blasphemy laws in place, which I get, but I'm like, I don't want that because I'm like, Because we're totally deranged society.
But I'm like, dude, you put blasphemy laws in place, then there's no you.
Like, you can't exist.
No, there's no young Kanye, right?
Yeah.
And like, there's no Manson.
Like, I have my own thing going on.
I think I also believe in free will, right?
So, this is like a way of installing like a determinist worldview onto people, which is what AI is doing too.
If you do like predictive policing and stuff like that.
So, I'm against all of that, right?
But he was really trying to like rewrite the Constitution, which is a hilarious thing to think.
And I'd be like, you know what?
I'm going to rewrite the Constitution.
Yeah.
Hilarious.
And he hired a constitutional lawyer.
I've talked to him.
I know that one.
Like, he has talked about two serious people.
Like about this, because the founding fathers went out of their way to make sure that religion and Christianity was in no way tied to the constitution.
Like, those guys, a lot of those guys were anti Christian, yeah.
Some of them were like pagans, I guess, and like some of them were Christian, but like it's Masons, it's yeah, there's a lot of that too.
Uh, a lot of Masons still today.
Have you heard the original national anthem?
No, it's like an ode to Bacchus, no, yeah, the wine god, of course.
I had no idea, yeah, that's wild.
The Masons, like, I that's another boogeyman for people.
They think it's all the Masons, the Illuminati's, the Masons.
I don't think it's that simple.
But there's certainly super dark Masons out there doing weird stuff.
And I've known some people who've become Masons and they've said, like, when you enter, you can become a light mason or a dark mason.
This is one of these things I haven't looked into all that much, but it's always been weird to me how many presidents have been masons and how much architecture has been informed by masonry, obviously, but in D.C. in particular.
So I don't know, but it just seems like another one of those things.
It's just another weird dark cog in this machine that's just grinding away at America and the world and all this stuff.
My only real experience with going to one of those places, not the Masons, but the Odd Fellows, was I went to an Odd Fellows to play a show with my old band.
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We were like a death metal show.
And we show up, and it's an Odd Fellows, and I see a door in the wall.
And I pull it open, and it's just a skeleton inside.
Well, that's interesting.
That's very interesting.
A real one?
Yeah, yeah.
Wow.
I put beer in its mouth, and then our van exploded.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, not fully, but we were on the floor.
Didn't you say you played with Horse, the band?
We might have opened for them, but I know John Carroll, who was their drummer.
Oh, really?
For a while.
Yeah, now he's in the Sawtooth Grin, which is like one of my favorite bands.
Okay.
Okay.
But yeah, Horse Man is great.
But yeah, I was like playing in shows with like those bands for years, like for 10 years.
Yeah.
All around like the country.
Not like for half the country.
We didn't make it really out west much, but during MySpace days.
Yeah.
Just booking tours on MySpace.
Yeah, yeah.
I remember those days.
10 bucks to go to Alabama, you know, for the night.
Florida was always the best.
Florida and Virginia were like our favorite places to go.
Tampa, Florida is the death metal capital of the world, man.
Is it Cannibal Corpse here or 64?
Yeah, Cannibal Corpse.
Cannibal Corpse.
A lot of them.
Yeah.
Do great metal in Florida.
Shy Hallood came from here.
Great hardcore band that left Florida and then moved to my neck of the woods in New York and Poughkeepsie.
Like I said, Manson.
Yeah, I always loved coming to Florida.
I almost died in Tampa, though, at one point.
Really?
Yeah.
Back in my drug days, I had bad issues with drugs and bought some things I shouldn't have bought.
What kind of drugs?
It was like Oxycontin, I think.
And I was at a bad pill phase in my life.
I'd broken both knees.
Oh, really?
At shows.
One knee playing a show.
Where was I?
Somewhere in New York.
The whole thing just.
That was horrible.
And then a few months later, at a Dillinger Escape Plan show, when they were playing 43% Burnt in The Chance in Poughkeepsie, someone jumped off the balcony above me and landed on my knee and broke during that breakdown at the end of the song.
That sucked.
So I got addicted to pills.
I was in my early 20s.
It was a real shame and a very horrible thing.
So I came down here, still into that stuff.
And a friend was like, we can get some good pills.
And we went.
I actually thought of this as I was driving here because I'm like, ooh, I kind of had an aftertaste of the pill, being here.
Oh, God.
I know a lot of people died.
From pills.
Oh, it's horrible.
Bought pills from a dude outside, I think like a dog track or something.
Yeah, there's a dog track.
And this guy had an OD.
He had OD'd years prior and lost all his fingers.
So I picked the pills off of his mitten skin hand that had no fingers.
It was like a balloon knot attached to his little fat skin hand.
Holy shit.
I'm just like, doop.
And we snorted it.
And I had never gotten so sick.
I thought I was going to die.
Yeah.
It was the worst I've ever felt.
And I was typically not doing stuff like that after the pills.
Yeah.
But like not snorting stuff.
Yeah.
You know, and that was really disgusting.
Throwing up for like days.
Yeah.
But it was the highest I'd ever been.
Like, it was insane how, you know, how that was.
It went right to my brain.
I'll never forget that guy's hand in the dark.
Jesus Christ.
I should have known from that.
Like, I mean, you should not touch anything.
Yeah.
After, you know, leaves this like giant bear claw.
So that's my memory of Tampa and playing shows down here.
Yeah.
A lot of drugs around here, man.
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Yeah.
It's just like us.
No, a lot of people who die.
I thought I was talking to my buddy the other day.
I was like, dude, it's a miracle we made it through.
Seriously.
Because we know so many, like, so there's been so many casualties of fucking pills and opiates around here.
That's how me and my friends feel too.
Just like, because we were doing a lot of stuff, you know, and horrible things.
Like, Robot robo tripping, yeah, yeah, uh, you know, chorus seeding, and like you can't even do that anymore, though, not that you should, but um, drinking like you know, taking these pills and drinking 40s of old English, like just ridiculous things.
Listening to bands like Earth Crisis, who are straight edge, singing along like I am straight edge while taking swigs of like Crazy Horse, you know, and like I look back a lot, I'm like, how did we make it, yeah, because we were very lucky, very lucky, yeah.
There's some, there's something weird about drugs and music where it's like.
The best music comes out of people who are on a lot of drugs yeah or like, have big time drug problems.
That's why the government gave the the doors acid, you know.
That's why everyone got acid.
Look really, look what I mean.
Just look what acid did to music.
Yeah, like with the beetles with uh, the Beach BOYS, like I love the Beach BOYS, a big time Beach BOYS fan.
When Brian Wilson started doing drugs they got really good.
That's how we got Pet Sounds.
It's my favorite favorite.
Oh, really right I, god only knows, is my favorite song.
All my children were born to that song And my wife walked down the aisle with that song.
I'm obsessed with that song.
I love that.
It's such a beautiful song.
But, like, him doing drugs really changed the way he viewed music.
I guess he has synesthesia as well, where you can see, you correlate sounds and colors.
Kanye says he has it too.
But he hears these voices, you know, and then the drugs accelerated that.
He sent Beach Boys out on tour, and he's like, I'm not touring anymore.
I'm just going to stay home and write crazy music.
And Pet Sounds is crazy.
I mean, he might have been MK Ultra, honestly, because he had a bad, his life was crazy.
After Pet Sounds, he did.
Smile, which is a great record, but that was like put in a vault for a long time and picked apart.
And other songs, like songs from Smile, as he intended them to be, yeah, upon other records.
Like that's how we got Good Vibrations is from Smile.
And if you listen to Good Vibrations, how it came out initially, how he envisioned it, it was like this, you know, path of American history leading up to Good Vibrations, and it's such a beautiful crescendo.
But he's on massive drugs, and while recording that, you know, he's thinking he's manifesting fires.
Like there's a part on Smile where he's saying, um, It's about O'Leary's cow in Chicago Fire and stuff.
And he starts a fire in the studio, and they're all wearing like fireman hats.
And I actually talked to the lady who played bass on that song.
She's still alive.
She's amazing.
She was part of the Wrecking Crew, which is part of that group that played a lot of his tracks in the studio.
And he, a fire started like on some down the road or something or across town.
And he was like, I did it.
I started that fire with my brain.
You know, like he, so drugs were interesting.
But like, that's all to say that shouldn't do drugs.
But, It definitely made music way interesting.
And then so he's doing that and making that.
And now the Beatles are competing with him.
Yeah.
Because the Beatles are seeing, like, he sees the Beatles and he's like, I need to do something better.
And the Beatles see him and now they're competing.
And, like, I'm not the biggest, I like the Beatles, but I'm not the biggest fan.
And, but it's amazing to see that competition.
And then how the drugs were injected into either camp.
Yeah.
All of them, you know?
But, like, I'm very glad I don't do drugs anymore.
Yeah.
And then you see, like, when artists get off drugs and they sober up, like, the music's just not the same.
There's, like, this intangible thing that disappears.
It doesn't always work.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think, like, maybe when little Wayne got out of jail, like, it kind of stunk.
Yeah.
I'm a big fan of Wayne.
Like, I like Carter 3 and stuff, but he's probably not sober now.
But, like, yeah, it doesn't always happen.
They lose whatever that is.
It's like a recklessness or it opens up.
But it's sad because, like, a lot of artists.
I think Gucci Man is the best example.
Like, you said, his stuff's still good, but, like, there was something about that moment, that period in time where he was just cranking out.
Fat Gucci?
Tracks.
Yeah.
Fat fucking beer belly Gucci.
It was a good time.
Just cranking out multiple tracks per day.
Coming out on Dat Piff.
Yeah, dude.
Oh, man.
I miss those rap blog days.
Yeah, dude.
I just go to notwrite.com all the time.
It's like my favorite.
Blog to get rap songs, but like now he got a jail, and it's like he's ripped, it looks good, yeah.
He's put out some good songs, but like, no, I agree with that song Lemonade, old school Gucci, yeah, is a great, great song.
First Day Out, oh, god, that's the best one.
I'm gonna probably listen to that tonight now.
Something about being in warm weather, too, always makes me want to hear Gucci, yeah, he's from it, he's Georgia, right?
Atlanta, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love that stuff, though, but yeah, I don't know, like the drugs, like we did it, and it definitely influenced our music because we were writing some like real trippy, like weird death metal with jazz, yeah.
But it was, it was, it was fun to like just get in a basement and be like crazy.
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You know, and just like crazy stuff.
You know, and all we had was like a four track recorder, a task cam, you know, and then somehow go out into the world all high and do crazy things and not go to jail and not die.
I don't know how.
I really don't know how we somehow sidestepped it.
I mean, some of us went to jail, some of us didn't make it.
But my core group of friends are still thankfully alive despite the debauchery that we went through for many, many years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's always curious to see like what, like how.
Also, the government is still using drugs, you know, like, because the government obviously tries to weaponize everything they could get their hands on and try to, like, that's like the most innovation and the most money goes into stuff for war, right?
Like, technology for war, drugs for war, like during the Cold War and stuff like that.
Big Pharma is part of the military industrial complex.
Yeah.
It's part of the media industrial complex.
Like, you watch TV and like every commercial's for some weird drug.
Yeah.
Which is why they're freaking out.
I think that RFK says he's going to ban those.
And like, If he does, I think that's great.
You know, I don't think these corporations should have free speech.
Right.
Like Clearview AI is a good example of this.
People were really upset when Clearview took all everyone's faces off the internet.
It just scraped the internet of everyone's face to put it into their database.
Yeah.
And then their CEO at the time was like, our corporation has the ability to do that because of freedom of speech.
It's our expression.
I'm like, wait, that doesn't extend to you.
Yeah.
That was his argument.
I think it was like on ABC or CBS, something like that, where he said that.
I don't agree with that.
And we're the only country other than New Zealand, I believe, that has these commercials.
And they're a joke to me.
And I don't think they're safe.
These drugs are, everyone has like a crazy number of side effects.
Half of the commercial has to list the side effects death, diarrhea, occasional pregnancy, loss of limbs.
How?
But like, they're certainly drugging us.
I think it's in our water, it's in the sky.
I think it's coming out of every, they get you in every possible place.
Our grocery stores are filled with poison.
We're very careful with what we give our kids, just because like, I wish I was raised that way, but I wasn't.
My parents just gave us TV dinners at a microwave.
Right.
I'm halfway okay.
I have like a caveman skull and some really problematic thoughts.
But like, you know, now that we know this stuff, like we are conscientious about like plastic.
Yeah.
And the water we drink.
And like the fluoride in the water is an issue.
You know, I really do think that.
And like I remember talking to the guy in our town who does the water department.
And he was, I forget why he was there.
He was there to count like our water to make sure our pipe was working where the city water was coming in.
I'm like, I was telling him about like filtering the water.
He's like, the fluoride is not bad for you.
Right.
I'm like, all right.
Like, why do you think that?
He's like, well, you know, it's only a little bit.
It's only a very small amount.
It won't have any effect.
And he's the whole cavity spiel.
Right, it's good for your teeth, which doesn't make any sense, right?
But cool, dude.
Um, then he tells me, like, we go on, and he tells me, I will be fined by the county if I stop putting fluoride in the water, yeah.
And I have to be and have to pay like some ridiculous amount for mouthwash for the public schools.
I'm like, huh, yeah, that's interesting, yeah.
And then he was like, and then honestly, he's like, I've like tested fluoride in water, and uh, it just has this insane shelf life, like, just doesn't go away, yeah.
He was like, well, that was weird.
I'm like, that's what I'm saying, dude.
Um, So, they find any way to get this stuff into you.
It's like almost nothing is safe because every part of your life has been infiltrated by this stuff.
It's coming out of the sky.
It's coming to the ground.
You just do your best.
I'm not going to live in a bubble to avoid this stuff.
I know I've got plastic all up in this body for lots of reasons.
And I'm covered in tattoos.
That's probably also not great.
So, I can do my best now and also teach our kids the dangers.
But sometimes it is funny.
We try not to eat salmon too much because salmon's part bug.
You've seen that?
Like the bioengineered salmon that they've.
You mean like the farm raised salmon?
Yeah, that they've like bioengineered and the FDA approved it back in the 90s and they've got all these salmon farms, bioengineered salmon farms out west that keep breaking out into the wild population.
Oh no, I haven't seen this.
For years.
So like salmon.
They break out?
Oh, there's been a ton of like just collapses of the nets and they're just like, they're part of the real thing now.
So like, wow.
They're procreating with normal wild salmon.
So like, you don't know what salmon is really, but you can say that for lots of things.
Yeah.
But we've watched the Color of salmon changed.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It's weird.
Yeah.
It's not supposed to be that pink color.
No, it's super weird.
Yeah.
And I used to love salmon.
So, you know, but we tell our kids this.
And sometimes I forget.
Like, I tell our eight year old that.
I don't tell our four year old that.
And we'll be at, we were at a party recently and some dinner thing.
They gave out salmon.
I was just going to be respectful.
I'm going to eat.
I'm not going to stop the party and be like, this is bug.
That person.
Yeah.
But my son does.
He's like, oh, I already eat salmon.
This is like bug.
I'm like, oh, man.
I'm proud.
But maybe we got to teach him not to say it in public all the time.
Yeah.
But I do, you know, there's certain things we talk about.
I think it's good for kids to know at an early age and just be careful because it is a crazy, depraved world.
And everyone's out to get you.
But you don't want to make them paranoid.
Yeah.
I mean, you can really tell the difference.
Like, if we go on a trip to Costa Rica or something for a week and we're just, I can eat fucking anything pizza, burgers, tacos, drink beer, and I feel fucking great.
I feel light.
And then you come back home and you realize, like, Just going to Chipotle, you feel like you just ate a pound of concrete after.
It affects your whole body.
It feels super heavy.
I mean, the difference is crazy.
You can feel it.
Yeah, it's gross to me.
That's why it's this weird, controversial topic these days.
We were talking about in the political world if food stamps should allow people to buy this poison stuff.
My take is no, because it's our money.
And I'd rather not poison people.
I also don't want my money going to abortions or.
Stinger missiles, Palantir, or like, or like, you know, people getting killed with the death penalty.
Like, I don't want to support anything like that, right?
So, that falls in line with how I feel, but people are like, people just have that option.
I'm like, you have the option with your own money.
I'd rather not.
I also like, you know, it's a hard thing to talk about with people where, like, they want to tell companies, don't make that stuff.
I'll stop there, though, right?
Because I'm like, I don't want to really tell the companies what they can and can't do.
Yeah.
But it's all, you know, it's all like a gray area because that's in conflict with my idea of the monopolies now, right?
And, like, what are we going to do with these giant tech companies that are taking over?
As I said, like, it's a reflective of what happened with the monopolies with Teddy Roosevelt and the trust busting and all that stuff.
Yeah.
So it's like, I don't really agree with it.
Someone like Milton Friedman would say, you know, Competition is the best way to take care of a monopoly.
And I think that's probably the best way because there's really no taking care of monopolies.
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Like Standard Oil was broken up and they eventually just started like re emerging, you know, and like they'd be like, okay, ExxonMobil is now back together, you know, these two are back together.
But there's still a network of them.
You know, Standard Oil still is not here, but it is here.
It's just been fractured across the country.
So it's not as powerful, but it's probably still doing the same things.
Yeah.
So yeah, I'm just, it's tough.
It's just not one right answer, I think, to a lot of this stuff.
Right.
And the only way to really fix all this stuff.
Sometimes the reaction can be an overreaction.
Oh, yeah.
It can be too much.
Like, I always worry about that with like the vaccine stuff, right?
Oh, yeah.
Because like the COVID vaccines come out.
Now, people, a lot of people think, and me, I'm kind of, I don't know, right?
Maybe all vaccines are bad.
Yeah.
But maybe not.
Maybe that's totally wrong.
Maybe a lot of them are really fucking good.
I mean, we know fucking ancient people were using like ancient versions of vaccines with antibodies and using that stuff to cure ailments and plague and stuff like this.
I think there was something to those older vaccines.
Yeah.
Like, not just like those, but like the ones we had when we were kids.
But there's also ones like the vaccine schedule is ridiculous.
Yeah.
Right.
All that's insane.
I'm glad we're having that conversation as a society.
But yeah, the backlash.
We could overcompensate into oblivion.
For sure.
So you got to be careful.
I've got one of our kids that's nothing, right?
And she's got the best health and immune system of all of our kids.
Our oldest has a few, and we delayed his schedule because we were at that point, even this is pre COVID, everything.
I was already distrusting my wife more so, right?
She was like, we're going to just hold off on a few of these things.
It's like, that's a lot to give a kid at once.
And I never really thought about it.
So I was like, all right, cool.
We actually got to have different practices for not doing all of them at once.
And then, COVID happened and it was like a crazy stressful time for obviously everyone, but for me personally, it was like losing the job.
Wife was pregnant with our second.
We had closed on our first house the day New York State shut down.
Wow.
So I was like experiencing stress to a whole new degree.
Like, honestly, the pandemic was the least of my problems.
Like, it was like all this other stuff was crazy.
So I go to my doctor who I'd been going to for years and I'm like, hey, like, my heart just feels crazy.
Like, I'm just like stressed.
Like, what should I do?
I'm like, I'm just looking for like, We're going to change your diet.
We're going to do this and that.
Yeah, yeah.
I didn't realize she had gone so unhinged where she was like, the best thing you can do for yourself is take the COVID shot right now.
And I was like, that's what she said.
Yeah.
And she told me, I made my husband do it.
I made my little kids do it.
You know, I make my husband mask up at the gym.
I was like, oh, wow, I'm surrounded by a crazy person.
Like, oh, it happened to be the day that New York lifted the mask ban.
They said you didn't have to wear a mask in public anymore, which we weren't doing.
Nancy and I weren't doing it, but like, the hospitals made you do it and the doctor practiced to do it.
And the doctor, the practice was running around like crazy.
They were like, What are we going to do without masks on?
Like, they were so scared.
That should have been like an inkling as to what I was getting into.
But I was shocked.
That was her thing to me.
And I was like, Well, she was like, It would alleviate your stress with the pandemic.
I'm like, That is literally like the last.
I'm like, I just need to know how to deal with stress better.
I've always been a stressed out person.
It was peak stress that time.
So, tie all that in with the technocracy and all this stuff, like experts in charge.
She's allegedly an expert, but she's lost her mind.
So, how am I supposed to have any trust in these institutions when I'm seeing them?
Lose their minds.
But, like, and then that her response is now discrediting real problems.
You know, like, there, you could, you do need a vaccine perhaps if you go to some crazy place, right?
And they've got something breaking out.
But like, I'm more into the old school ones than these new, like, technological, like mRNA stuff.
Yeah.
It's too experimental now.
So that's going to be an interesting way to navigate the future, too.
Yeah.
And like, for my kids, our pediatrician is like, they kicked us out because we said we didn't want to do the vaccines.
Like, they're like, you can't come here anymore because you're going to put all the other people at risk.
Crazy.
So, and we went around everywhere.
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We've been looking for like holistic doctors that don't push those things.
And they all suck.
Yeah.
Yeah, some of them are like, they're all garbage.
None of them give a fuck.
Yep, yep.
That's our problem.
Not that they're too woo woo.
It's just like they don't fucking pay attention.
We really love the fucking lady doctor, pediatrician who is pushing the vaccine because she like pays the most attention to the kids.
She's like the most affectionate.
She like gives them the time of day.
Yep.
But like at the same time, so now we're like to the point where we're just trying to like, oh, we're going to just delay, we're going to delay, we're going to delay.
And like not saying no because like she's the only one who seems to care.
Right.
But at like the same time, we don't want to, you know, do that fucking full schedule of vaccines all at once with these young kids.
Yeah, it's weird.
I think it's a lot.
You know, and then we think about a lot of different diseases and who knows where what they're going to attribute to.
Like RFK said, he's going to give us like the answer to where autism, like a lot of autism is coming from.
Like, I'm like, what does that even mean?
Because I, it's kind of like the boogeyman thing.
It's a lot of things.
Yeah.
You know, it's like our diet is terrible.
Yeah.
The sky is filled with trash.
You know, I got this whole thing.
I'll talk about fake clouds and like, there's fake clouds.
Like, I mean, and I mean, like, there's real clouds up there, but they're also filled with a lot of weird forever chemicals that are all.
I've seen the videos of the people making clouds.
The machines that make clouds.
There are machine clouds, machine made clouds.
There's chemtrails.
There's clouds that are just made up, mutilated with forever chemicals.
Dude, we just had two crazy hurricanes, and half my friends all believed that the CIA made the hurricanes.
Yeah, we're in the future.
There's a video of Michu Kaku talking about this like 10 years ago.
Oh, yeah, I know.
Talking about how we created thunderstorms in Vietnam, I think.
Yeah, Operation Popeye.
Is that what it was?
Yeah, yeah.
In Vietnam, they decided to get the Viet Cong washed out of their tunnels.
They were going to accelerate the tsunami season.
With seating, yeah, look at that cloud machine.
Oh, here's the video of the cloud machine, dude.
This thing is nuts, that is insane, bro.
What are they?
What is the explanation for this?
Uh, wait, he'll tell me if you can't hear what I'm saying.
Um, I couldn't even hear myself.
This is the loudest sound you could possibly conceive, and as it turns out, the cleanest.
The cleanest, wow.
Now, the most amazing thing is that that.
Cloud up there, which was generated by the engine, is just a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen.
It's water vapor.
And in about an hour's time, someone in Mississippi is going to get wet washing.
It will actually rain.
Yep.
Wow.
It's going to rain.
Good stuff.
But this is like, that's got to be a problem.
Oh, look at this guy.
He's getting fake rain from the fake cloud.
He's probably got three arms now and lost his eyesight.
But like, the things they're doing in the sky are so alarming.
You know, like Bill Gates wants to.
Block out the sun with dust.
Oh, I saw that.
Yeah.
Scopex.
And so that seems like a fringe idea.
And he keeps getting turned down, I guess, for funding.
But they did Operation Sea Spray back in the day off the coast of San Francisco, where they're shooting bio warfare into the air over the city to see how it affects people.
Because they were like, how do we counter bioterrorism?
Let's do bioterrorism, get people sick, and then figure it out.
But now I think they're actually doing a sort of Scopex situation in San Francisco where the military is spraying like dust in the air to reflect the sunlight back up.
To counter climate change, I read about this.
Yeah, Bill Gates got his dream.
Jesus Christ, dude.
I had somebody explain it to me the best way ever.
They're explaining to me like how technology, like how we're surrounded by screens all the time under artificial light and inside all day.
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It's like turning us, it's like you've heard the stories of what happens to the orcas at SeaWorld when they live their lives.
They spend decades inside these tanks.
Oh, how horrible.
They go crazy.
They go crazy and they kill the trainers.
He's like, that's basically what's happening to us.
We're the orcas inside those tanks in SeaWorld.
We're not in the ocean anymore.
Dude, I don't know if you're seeing it down here, but like I am experiencing a rise in mental illness in people I know.
Like from back home in New York or just on the road, like it just seems people are more on the edge than they've ever been.
Yeah.
And it has to do with all these things.
Politics is driving people crazy.
Yeah.
Because it's a disease.
But yeah, like normal people, like threatening my life.
Like not just like, you know, like we do public things and you're kind of on in the news and sometimes people hear things you say they don't like and you send me a death threat online.
I got people in real life who like stalkers.
I've got like, really?
Yeah, dude, it's crazy.
And like, it's nuts.
Like I know, I've known these people.
You know, like, like friends, people not, I wouldn't say friends, but like people I've known.
Yeah.
More like associates, we'll say.
Yeah.
Like people I've known.
And it's just, I'm watching people lose their minds.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm catching old friends in lies that we haven't seen in a long time.
Like big lies, like, like maybe they're not married lies and they've been telling us for years.
We haven't seen them, right?
So we can get away with lies.
Yeah.
And it's just, it's all happening at the same time, you know, and it's like all over the place.
Yeah.
And then you're seeing like all these really crazy depraved crimes happening in the cities, like people lighting themselves on fire.
So like I in New York who was.
The corpse?
No, I did not see that.
I think the corpse, I think someone died.
I think someone then robbed the corpse.
And I believe another person went and that corpse.
What?
When was this?
Like a day or two, a few days ago.
What?
Look up corpse.
That's a good name for a band in Florida.
Yeah, it's a good name.
That sounds like a title to a title track for Candle Corpse.
Right?
NYPD search for a man accused of sexually violating a corpse on a Manhattan subway.
What is going on?
Jesus, dude.
What is going on?
Yeah, it was Joe Biden.
Yeah.
It was Hunter.
Yeah.
Dude, it's so crazy.
And like, look, this is stuff that's been going on for a long time, unfortunately.
Like, you know, about Ed Gaines and stuff and like weird serial killer stuff.
But this is like nonchalant daylight necrophilia.
Why?
So I don't know.
It was on fentanyl.
Yeah.
The rise in mental illness is going to be concerning.
It's crazy.
You know, like, you've seen like Luigi Mangione stuff.
Yeah.
Now, I guess there was a copycat today.
They didn't do anything, but I think they showed up to United Health Headquarters looking to do the same thing.
Really?
And you see people calling for violence.
I'm like very anti that.
I oppose a lot of these things, and I totally, and I even understand Mangione's problem allegedly that he has with the system because it sucks.
I don't want to go kill people, right?
I don't want to do that.
I don't like the same way the Unabomber might say things in his manifesto that I really agree with.
I don't want to promote the violence.
But you're seeing a lot of people, like prominent people, like, Embrace the violence.
And so that's going to turn into something way, way too dark.
I don't know where that goes.
Everyone makes fun of Tim for talking about civil war and stuff.
They make fun of him for it?
Oh, because he says it every episode.
Oh, does he?
It's going to be a civil war.
Oh, really?
Because he's always looking at how society has been breaking down and politics has driven this divide between us.
And now people are willing to do violence.
We saw a lot of that during the riots in 2020.
We saw assassinations.
We saw assassination attempts on presidents.
And you just look at Mexico.
I think they assassinated 23 of their own presidential people running for president.
Dude, that's insane.
And that's just right there.
So this willingness to violence is really picking up steam.
And you're seeing a lot of people understand violence.
How does he think a civil war will play out in the U.S.?
I think his idea would be like it's not going to be like everyone's.
I think when he says it, people expect it to be like, we're going to march towards each other.
It's going to be like Grant, Lincoln.
I think he sees like pockets of violence across the country that will be ideological, right?
And they'll be, you know, whatever camps, the left versus right, like that's a vague descriptor these days because they're all fractured.
But I think it's like a willingness for political violence.
And I also think it'll be, in my opinion, I don't think, I don't know if he thinks this, but like in my opinion, a lot of it will be.
Bolstered by the government, right?
Like, you think if you know Northwoods is possible, or at least they thought of it, then I will be skeptical of most things, right?
Yeah.
And like, there was basically a civil war in Italy.
You know what the years of lead?
So, in Italy, I want to say this is like from the 60s to the 80s, there was just insane false flag operations against the opposing political sides, right?
And so it was like real things, real violence, bombs, shootings, kidnappings, people died.
But, A lot of it was done as false flags from like the opposing side.
You know, to what Northwoods would have done, right?
Like we're going to blow up our own people, shoot our own people to convince them that we have to go to war with Cuba, right?
And that was Lemnenser, right?
The guy who brought that idea to Kennedy.
And Kennedy fired.
Lemnenser's next job was NATO.
And a lot of people say NATO might have had a hand in the false flag operations during the years of lead in Italy, which are very similar to what he proposed with Northwoods.
Wow.
So, like, you know, I.
I think a lot of things are possible knowing that if we're moving towards violence and the people in charge, I think it's beyond bipartisan.
Like, it's not just like a right versus left thing.
I think there's like a uniparty, for lack of a better word.
And they are deeply entrenched, and it's the bureaucratic state that's been there forever, right?
That has a lot of power.
Let's get these talking heads, these figureheads.
They come and go, right?
You get voted in and out, and then you get a book deal or a job at CNN or whatever, or Newsmax, you know?
But like, these people who were there for so long, they want that power.
They want the power over us.
They love the stuff like Palantir and Clearview.
And, uh, They totally have this idea, the idea of false flags at their disposal.
So, if we're moving towards some type of sustained violence in this country against one another, like a civil war, but in more fragmented pockets of the country, like the years of lead in Italy, it does seem like it's possible.
And I'm just basing that off what I saw during the 2020 summer riots.
You're seeing cities burn, you're seeing politicians donate money to Bail out arsonists like Kamala.
You know, like she had people, staff donating money to arsonists to get out of jail.
And, in my opinion, I see a lot of this is this violence is terrorism, domestic terrorism being born out of the universities because they're like ideological death camps that produce a lot of mental illness.
You know, it sucked being a part of that university, the college world for so long, and you're totally powerless.
Like you can do your best.
I want to just teach kids things like how to read, you know, how to write, have good skills, but then you're watching professors all around you being like, Marxism.
So, so like, When I'm saying it's come out of the universities, I'm saying like this is the line I see in my mind from to war now as we see it or like the pockets of real domestic terrorism during 2020.
The Weather Underground, domestic terrorists, Marxists from like the 60s and 70s, they, I don't think they killed a lot of people, but they killed some.
I think they killed themselves by accident.
They were building bombs and stuff.
They were Marxists.
They believed in we should destroy this system.
And a lot of them became fugitives and a lot of them went to jail.
And then Bill Clinton pardoned one on his last day in office, straight up domestic terrorist, Susan Rosenberg.
And then my old genocidal maniac, Governor Cuomo, pardoned another underground person on his last day in office.
And you'll see like a bunch of them have let out.
And what do they end up doing?
I forget that one guy's name who was pardoned early on with Clinton as well, Bill something.
But they all become professors, you know, and they all start to infiltrate the universities because that then goes in hand in hand with what Yuri Bezanov was saying about taking care, you know, how do you ideologically subvert?
The society, yeah.
Oh, this country has said you need to go to college.
We're going to take that over and totally destroy your brains now and turn you into soldiers for us.
So, I see a lot of the issues, a lot of the violence, a lot of people, the nihilism being born out of the universities.
Um, and then to connect that to the summer of what they call the summer of love, Act Blue was funneling a lot of that money to the organizations on the ground doing the protesting.
Act Blue was part of Thousand Currents, Thousand Currents was on the board with Susan Rosenberg.
So, it's like a domestic terrorist who's been pardoned.
Working with laundering money to today's domestic terrorists.
And they both had, and the BLM, those two women said they were Marxists.
So it's like a very clear line in my mind of domestic terrorism and war and against the American people.
So I don't know how you fight that.
Because I don't want to censor those ideas.
Some people would say, well, we just get rid of them, exile them.
I don't think that's the way to do it because evil will always come back.
It's always going to pop back up.
It's going to have to teach the kids.
Had to have a better foundation and how to counter that in there as they grow up.
And hopefully not with a surveillance state, but that'll be there too.
Yeah.
Because there's no escaping it.
But yeah, I don't know.
That's, I guess, the way Tim would see it in terms of fragmented civil war.
I guess I feel like we've been, the government's been at war with the American people for decades.
I think we've been like an invisible war, like a war on our reality, a war on our brains.
Yeah.
I think like the technocracy has probably already been in place, you know, in many ways.
Like, People argued, like, I think I said, FDR was kind of like that was like a soft technocracy, but like, you know, we started talking about JFK at the beginning of the episode.
That's a very symbolic day that he died, obviously.
Yeah.
He died is a very symbolic day.
But it's interesting in my mind, like, symbolically, because two other people died that day who were also very opposed to the technological state.
And that's Aldous Huxley, who wrote Brave New World, who, although he was a eugenicist, you know, Brave New World is kind of like a cautionary tale.
Of this insane world.
And C.S. Lewis also died that day, same day.
And he wrote one of the greatest essays on the fears of this technological state called the Willing Slaves of the Welfare State.
Two writers I really look up to, but it was just very interesting.
JFK, I think he was taken out by the military industrial complex, whatever that is in your mind.
So I think there's been a war on the American people.
Since definitely that day, outwardly so.
Probably started, you could say, you go back to Woodrow Wilson and all this stuff and say it started then too, for sure.
But I think it accelerated that day and it never stopped.
And whatever's happening now is part of this like giant umbrella of war that our government's been waging against us forever.
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But I'm optimistic.
I'm optimistic.
We're going to have to move to the Amazon?
Yeah.
I might not be safe there either.
Yeah, maybe.
They're taking over everywhere.
They're cutting down the trees.
But no, I, despite all the darkness in the world, I still have like hope for the future.
Yeah.
You know, I hope for the kids.
And, you know, I don't think it's inescapable, but it's just, you know, life moves on no matter what.
It'll be, we'll be fine.
You know, you just, they just might read your thoughts.
Right.
So, you just have to train yourself better, I think.
Yeah.
Sleep tight.
Shane Cashman, thanks, brother.
Thanks.
This was a fucking fascinating conversation.
Tell people where they can find your shit, where they can read your work, your podcast, all that.
Awesome stuff.
Dude, it was a pleasure.
Yeah.
Awesome to be in the studio.
I've watched so many shows.
Yeah.
You're one of the last podcasts in the studio.
We're getting ready to move.
Yeah.
The new studio looks amazing.
Oh, yeah.
The last pictures are crazy.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
But yeah, dude, it's so awesome to be here and talk.
I love it.
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