Jim Vieira details his TBI recovery via ayahuasca, arguing the Smithsonian suppressed evidence of eight-and-a-half-foot skeletons under Dr. Herlichka. He critiques modern technology as a dark force severing spiritual connection while exploring global myths of androgynous, polydactylous giants like Varicoccha and Ibisu. Citing 16-fingered statues at Karahontepe and Professor Karul's findings, Vieira contends these consistent iconographic anomalies prove ancient genetic engineers taught civilization, urging listeners to visit megalithomania.uk to bridge skepticism with belief without confrontation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Football Hit Causes Seizures00:09:17
You were just telling me you had a, what were you saying about your TBI?
How did you get a traumatic brain injury?
Playing football.
Oh, really?
I got, it was funny.
We played East Bridgewater.
I grew up in Hull, south of Boston.
They pull us a little closer.
Yep.
And I was running back and a linebacker.
And I took a hit during the play and I scored on like an 80 yard touchdown.
But like, I remember running and like the cerebrospinal fluid came out of my nose.
Oh.
Yeah.
And I was like, Just really wonky.
And everybody's jumped.
I scored the touchdown.
I go back to my coach and I explain what was happening.
But this is like the 70s, something like the freaking dark ages.
So I get sent back in, obviously with the swollen brain, skull fracture, and TBI.
And it ended up manifesting as a seizures disorder.
I would get waves of petty mall, grand mall seizures that required medication and hospitalizations and massive depression for weeks on end.
And The moral of the story is, I then went in to the meet with the shamans in Ecuador and do a series of ayahuasca ceremonies for many weeks.
I came back and healed the seizure disorder.
I never took medication again.
I got off the Delantin, the Depicote, the Neurontin, and I've never had, I haven't had auras or seizures in like 15 years.
Auras?
Auras are kind of like pre, it's like almost a pre cognition of a seizure.
You know when it's coming.
Since this weird twilight zone, and with the seizures, especially the petty malls, I would get waves of them in the sleeping, waking state, and they would cause massive depression for weeks on end.
I mean, I couldn't freaking move, I was like paralyzed, and it was insidious and intractable.
And all this is verified by my neurologist, my former neurologist, Dr. Allison Ryan in Northampton, Mass.
So I am indebted to the spirits of ayahuasca, let's say.
Holy cow, man.
So after you did the ayahuasca, you never got any seizures or auras?
No.
How old were you?
Probably like 17 years ago, something like that.
Yeah, yeah.
What was I?
No, the seizures didn't manifest until a little later.
I got the injury early on, and then I started to get like neurological dysregulation and things like that.
But the real seizures, I think, started manifesting in my 20s.
How long after the injury did the seizures start coming on?
Seven, eight years.
Seven or eight years, really?
Yeah.
And then after the seizures happened, you did the ayahuasca.
How many years later?
It's all a blur.
Yeah.
In my 30s, I believe.
Yeah.
Yeah, in my 30s.
And what do you think it was about the ayahuasca that was able to completely get rid of the seizures and all that stuff?
It's a good, you know, it's anti parasitic.
It has all these efficacious applications for the human body.
I could tell you a metaphysical theory, you know, that one thing was I faced all these neuroses and self doubt and this internal.
Conflict and trauma within myself, like everybody suffers with.
So, I really straightened out a lot of the things that drove my behaviors in life that were unhealthy addictions, seeking externally.
I was able to sit with myself.
There's a part of the brain called the claustrum, right?
The ego center that literally gets put to sleep and anesthetized when you do plant medicine ceremonies, when you do psychedelics.
John Hopkins figured that out in like 2020.
So, I like to say the ego gets put to sleep.
The tyrannical operating software of the separate self, the mystics would say.
It gets put to sleep and you can see with clear vision.
And it's like you get like this life review.
You can see everything.
You can see how you behave unlevelingly and why.
You can see the drives and the unworthiness and you can do something about it.
You can make these changes in your life.
But the day to day tyranny of the ego doesn't allow you to see that.
It's in the way of, say, your divine nature, for instance.
So I believe that I removed a lot of that.
Turmoil and judgment, and in all these, because all the judgments we have for others in the world are really judgments and unworthiness we feel about ourselves projected to get a hit so you feel better and self righteous, like a freaking bad drug addict.
The reality is, it's like that undoing of the trauma within that manifests in a better way.
So, moral of the story, I think there's a physiological aspect to ayahuasca, and I think there's a metaphysical one as well.
It allows you to self reflect.
Make changes in your life.
And that's my question.
It lasts a while, right?
A few hours?
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
And I was doing San Pedro cactus as well, which is mescaline, the main ingredient there.
There was like 15, 17 hour grueling.
You know, people say like, oh, you're just getting high or whatever.
It's just like you face all your dark fears.
It's terrifying often, these ceremonies.
And don't go into it lightly, I would say.
You know, yeah, and the shamans know this, and that they your tour guide through this experience, quite frankly, so they know what you're facing, and it's it's harrowing, you know.
But have you ever smoked straight up DMT?
Um, what's the bufo I have?
That's the like the uh 5MD, what the hell is it?
5MEO DMT, correct.
I that I have that that lasts like five to ten minutes, right?
That that lasts quickly.
Ayahuasca, psilocybin, those are multi hour experiences.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's it's a similar thing.
They all have the same mechanism or function of putting the ego to sleep and allowing you to see with clear vision.
I wonder is that you've done both?
Is it a similar sort of experience when you're on ayahuasca, just longer lasting?
Yes.
Yes.
It's a little more intense.
DMT really blows the top off your ego.
Oh, yeah.
It really does blow the top off.
I felt my soul leave my body.
Bingo.
And it's tough to translate into this waking state that we appear to exist in.
So people are like, you know, what are those dudes talking about?
But yeah.
It's wild, as you know.
And I did a ceremony in anticipation of coming here with the shamanista this weekend.
And we could talk about that later if you want or whenever.
It's the same mechanism, it's the same thing that keeps happening.
It's like, wow, you're tapping into another reality.
And I've done this, like, I'm a non dualist, so I study like the Upanishads, Yastavakra Gita, Ramana Maharshi, Lao Tzu, Jesus, Buddha, like all these mystics that say the same strange and specific thing and radical thing about the nature of reality.
So, for months, I just keep rereading the Ashtavakra Gita, which is considered an ancient Sanskrit text that's considered like the most mind bending metaphysical text in history.
And I kept rereading it and I got thrust into that state of the one, of timelessness.
And I'm like, so it's not just like, oh, this substance is altering your brain chemistry.
There are ways through fasting and meditation and other modalities.
Right.
As the mystics would say, it's like Sahaja, your natural state.
The ego state, the external searcher, the disaffected hungry ghost is not your real state.
So it's removing the blocks to your awareness is enlightenment.
It's not accessing or gaining something in the external world, right?
So it's a different dynamic.
I have to remove the false beliefs to rediscover what I already am, which is a blissful state.
Yes.
Which is tough for people to believe.
I get that because it's like, what the f?
You live 10 minutes in this world.
It doesn't appear like that.
You know what I mean?
Right, right.
Man, what a f gruesome injury.
Your spinal fluid was coming out of your nose.
Yeah.
Jesus.
And then what do they, like when you first went in, like.
I didn't know for years later.
It was in the hospital for a long time after that?
No.
It was like back in there, you rub some dirt on it.
You know, the coaches, they didn't understand what happened.
You were right back in the game.
Right back in the game, right with the swollen brain.
And I just bought a hyperbaric chamber, actually.
I'm going to start doing it to like access some of the frozen brain, you know, because it can't swell.
And to do how, what do you, what is a hyperbaric chamber going to do for your brain?
It like frees up, it oxygenates the brain.
And they say that when the injury occurs, like, You almost get cognitively frozen at a particular time when it happens.
Excuse me.
But, you know, the moral of the story is that it led me down this path.
My movie character had to go down this path, you know?
And I'm grateful for it, as twisted and painful as it's been.
And I have a lot of empathy for people with depression because I had this crippling, I couldn't move for weeks.
Swollen Brain Needs Hormone Therapy00:03:43
It was like painted my world black and gray.
It was like.
Yeah, no, it's.
Brain injuries are known for being, they're known for being endocrine disruptors.
So they can really affect your hormone regulation and like your testosterone levels.
That's why a lot of football players or fighters or boxers or whatever that have had those extreme head injuries, they have to do hormone therapy after that.
Yeah.
Well, thanks for being open to that.
You know, it's hopefully, I know a lot of people who, Well, that would suffer some of the things.
That explains the depression too, like low hormone, low testosterone levels and stuff like that, that can affect your whole body, including your mood and your depressive states and all that.
So, how did you get into all the stuff you're doing now?
You wrote two books about giants and like the stone, like Stonehenge and ancient history.
Well, how did you get into this world?
I'm a stonemason by trade.
So, my brother and I run a dry mason's business in Weston, Mass.
Are you a Freemason?
No, no, it's yeah, people ask that.
No, it's like, uh, I study Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism.
Okay, I think they're interesting.
I, you know, we build art projects, utilitarian projects with quarried stone, we redo old walls, and we've been at it for like 25, 30 years.
And one of the things we like, we're avid hikers, and so we're out in the woods and we keep seeing these constructions that were thought to be colonial that are more seemingly Native American anthropomorphic forms, carns, turtles, serpents.
And I'm like, whoa, this seems to be like this subtle.
Native American landscape of stone hidden in New England.
And I wasn't the first one to, I found out I wasn't the first one to draw that conclusion.
And other researchers have written about it.
So what I did was, because I'm kind of a rain man record keeper type of guy, I went to the UMass library and started reading the town and county histories to see if there were any occurrences of colonists showing up and documenting pre existing Native American walls in stone chambers and other structures.
And in fact, there are in the historical record.
So the Colonists found Native American stonework in New England.
Like other, you know, it's not a great, you know, like incredible because there were stone forts in Tennessee, in the Midwest.
We know about all the Kivas and stuff.
But the thought, the archaeological idea is that Native Americans didn't build with stonework in England.
So, by virtue of reading through all these town and county histories, I started to find the most bizarre giant skeleton accounts, often by anatomists, scientists of the time, Smithsonian bureau agents, like buried obscurely.
In these voluminous documents in a time of inefficient communication.
And I was told quickly these were all hoaxes.
I'm like, they have a, they reference a lot of the same anatomic anomalies double rows of teeth, massive jaw bones that fit over the face, femurs that are 28 and 32 inches long, which are clearly indicating eight, nine foot tall individuals.
Artifacts found within context in little known burial techniques described as well.
Because one of the arguments is like, these are mastodon bones or animal bones.
But no, these are burial mound finds that have contextual context that matches with a lot of Native American burials, but they're absolutely enormous.
Like the giants in the middle, and there's other burials like spokes of a whale.
So I'm like, this doesn't read as a hoax.
This doesn't make any logical sense, right?
Ancient Giants in Burial Mounds00:15:24
So I went down that road.
I started to write.
I hooked up with you, Noem, and my co author and buddy.
And out of the gods lined up that I ended up with the show on history, a producer who's a friend of mine.
In Western Mass, said, Hey, my buddy told me to check out, you know, this presentation you gave or something, what a book I wrote or whatever.
No, no, I'm sorry.
It was a presentation I gave.
And he became more interested in the subject because, like, my brother and I, you know, blue collar dudes, I think people look at us and, like, you know, I'm not blowing smoke up anybody's ass.
I really don't have an agenda.
I just find it fascinating.
Right.
And so it's like, even the History Channel execs that when we got the first show, it's like, I've never seen two guys seemingly so credible.
Talk about such outrageous things, you know.
So, I, you know, I people who know us, you know, we're former decathletes and coaches, and you know, our lives revolve around usually like being nice to people and helping kids and in like uh leading lives that aren't about and grifting, you know, right?
Right, that's cool.
So, we ended up getting we made a sizzle reel, it went to the network um conference.
A bunch of networks say, Yeah, we want this, you know, we want this this uh show.
History said.
We'll run it straight to a series without a pilot.
And we're like, wow.
We'll do it.
Yeah, which was cool.
So we did our first season of Search for Lost Giants.
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Now back to the show.
There's this idea like the Smithsonian, they got, you know, giant skeletons in the basement and all that.
And there's this massive archaeological cover up.
And I'm a fraud.
You know, I work with archaeologists and geologists and scientists, have them on a show.
I'm friends with many academics.
And the idea that there's some global conspiracy to cover up evidence is.
Even if it was desired, it'd be impossible, if you know what I'm saying, right?
So, we have this idea that there's a massive conspiracy to cover this, you know, giant giants.
Yes.
And I would say the only point I'm making is littered within the Smithsonian's own ethnology reports, their scientists have described the unearthing of massive bones over and over again.
And so, it's embedded in their records.
And in episode two of our show, well, I'll backtrack.
And the Smithsonian claims that the largest skeleton that's ever been in their possession is a six foot three Sioux Native American skeleton with acromegaly.
That's like pituitary gigantism.
It's a disease condition.
Right, right, right.
So they're claiming that, right?
We're in Steeleville, Missouri in episode two, and we find the cave where they found an eight and a half foot skeleton.
And we go through, we talk to everyone, we find where it was unearthed.
And we go through the microfilm and we find an eight and a half foot skeleton laying on the doctor's office next to six foot and a half less eaten.
We found a photograph of it.
And then 15 days later, it's requested to be shipped to the Smithsonian.
And I'm saying that the skeleton is there, wired together by University of Missouri archaeologists and shipped to the Smithsonian.
So, how does that shrink into something that's less than six foot three?
And the Smithsonian's own records have account after account that we, Hugh and I, read about.
In our book, of similar skeletons that are claimed by their scientists to be over seven foot, over eight foot.
So I don't have a time machine.
You can only make educated guesses about the past, but to say that this is a ridiculous premise and I'm like, you know, some grifter or weirdo or, you know, the way that the pseudo skeptics often look at the alternative community of researchers is that it's like they're my ideological enemy, like in, in, um, I'm not going to yield an inch to them.
I'm not just going to dismiss what they have to say.
I'm going to denigrate them.
I'm going to call them racist.
I'm going to do whatever I can to throw red meat to my base because I'm stimulated, because I'm some heroic gatekeeper.
And on this end, on the alternative end, I would say I could run with this narrative that, oh, I'm some maverick fighting the evils of archaeology and I'm a great guy in like being this bullshit echo chamber of true believers as well.
But that's not reality either.
You know, like science is apolitical, science is objective.
I need to see and analyze a 10 foot skeleton to solve the case.
I can't just spin bullshit.
Right.
I mean, so the moral of the story is, you know, scientists are like cops.
They should deal with a lot of shit.
They deal with crazy people.
Right.
And they got to keep their cool to get the respect they deserve.
You know what I'm saying?
Like you go through all that hard work.
I got my PhD, I am an expert in this field.
You know, like Graham Hancock, for instance.
I may not agree with you, but this is what I need to see for your theory to be accurate.
I have to see a 12,000 year old date from some temple site in Egypt at the Assyrian or whatever.
I need to see this evidence.
All the other stuff, all the claims of racism, that makes people almost believe in conspiracies.
You know what I mean?
Like that you objectively state what is needed.
And then if you show me this, I'm all his, you know?
Right.
Yeah.
What did you make of that podcast with him and Flint Dibble?
I was pretty impressed with Flint at first.
I thought that, I mean, Flint definitely did his homework and crossed his T's and dotted his I's with a lot of stuff.
But then in hindsight, it seems like he was pretty slick.
In some moments, yeah.
I'll say this when you put yourself out there, there's a lot of out there, yeah.
And the and and I'm it's like you know, the calling for his job or the personally attacking him, you know.
And it's like I understand on both that happens on both sides, like handcock, you know, cock gets called a racist, right?
Right, dude's in a biracial marriage, right?
He's um, all he's talking about is indigenous rights, right?
Right, right?
He's like an empathic humanist, yeah.
Yeah, Flint knew exactly what he was, he he he tried to.
He tried to skate through that very, very smoothly on the podcast, but he no doubt tried to connect him to Nazis in that article.
And it's a good point to make or to highlight is that, you know, the idea that, you know, you engage in these alternative ideas and there's somehow it's laced with racism.
Excuse me.
Now, there's partial truth there.
There are like white supremacists who believe like Nazi supermen built the mounds of America and stuff like that.
And there was this mound builder myth that Native Americans weren't sophisticated enough to like build the geometric forms and everything they did.
So there is, you know, legitimate beefs there.
But, you know, they're saying that, oh, Hancock quoted Ignatius Donnelly in his first book and Donnelly said some racist, you know what I mean?
Which he did.
He did.
Did he really?
Yeah, yeah.
He had some.
But all the scientists of the time, you wouldn't believe how freaking racist mainstream science was for the longest time, up into the 30s and the 40s.
Right.
Just, you know, repulsive.
I'd repeat them, but they're like beyond repulsive.
But I don't take that and paint that, you know, modern day scientists and academics with that brush.
It's like they've clearly gone another direction.
So it sounds like a sound argument, like, oh, these, they're all racist.
By Hancock looking for a lost civilization and saying, maybe before the Inca, there was another race or beings that showed up.
And the claim is from kind of the male dominated white.
Left wing cult of academia.
Sorry, that sounds like you know harsh, but it's true that you're trying to take away the accomplishments of these people, right?
But the reality is, the Inca, the Amira, they told the Spanish that the gods and the Veracoces built these structures.
There's clearly two forms of stonework in Peru, and it's not like oh, you're stiff, you can't do this.
It's like the native people are actually telling us there were two different eras, right?
But then you go to Malta, and the Maltese, what are they like?
Sicilian farmers who came over in 5800 BC, but they have legends of giants and gods at Gigantia.
The Greeks are the same way.
These old megalithic walls are built by the Cyclops.
You go over to Ireland, and the 12th of Day Danine, these mythical beings with high technology who came from lost continents or islands in the Atlantic, are attributed with the making of Newgrange.
So I'm not getting in a fist fight with Sully at Nabar and Southey because I said, no, the Irish ancestors didn't do it.
But it's a charge racist thing with these other cultures that aren't white, right?
Like, and I'll go, so there you go.
That's the scope of it.
And I'm saying, like, it's all so stupid.
It's all so dumb.
I just had a genomics professor on here a couple days ago, and he was explaining how, out of all the plants and other organisms that exist on this earth, we are the most homogenous one.
Meaning that, out of all, he studied all the human genomes, and our genomes are so similar.
It's insane.
There's so few variants from the blackest person in Africa to the whitest person in Finland.
They're He said that all of the common ancestors of humans today came from like 10,000 humans.
There was a bottleneck in humanity like tens of thousands of years ago.
And he's saying that we are so closely related.
It's unbelievable.
It's the binary system, it's left and right.
We should have like a five party system, you know?
But it's like I'm in an echo chamber.
The algorithms are weaponizing my preferences.
So I go and I'm addicted to outrage.
Everybody is, right?
It's like instead of like, if you're a good person, go work at the homeless shelter, don't pretend you're online.
Being good, you're a freaking like a coke addict looking for another hit, and that's fine.
And I speak, you know, I was in that zone myself for a while, and it made me want to take like 100 showers.
And I don't want to belabor this racist thing, I just want to like put it out there because, like, honestly, a lot of pseudo skeptics feed information to like the Guardian and they do these hit pieces, right?
Without asking Hancock's opinion of the matter, right?
Of course, right.
And that's not cool.
You know what I mean?
It's like, that's that's like, I don't, I also don't like what.
Flint did when he was on my podcast where he said that people who purchase these on the antiquities markets are like doing a disservice to history or like they should belong in museums.
They shouldn't belong.
He said that people who purchase these ancient Egyptian artifacts on the antiquities market are contributing to like a black market or like contributing to cartels and this kind of stuff.
And I don't buy that.
That seems like a cop-out.
That seems like, I don't know what that is, but that doesn't seem like it's coming from a from a good place.
One of my greatest teachers said, Agenda makes you stupid.
And I'm not saying that, I'm not dissing Flynn Dibble.
I'm sure he's a nice guy, and we'd probably get along.
No, he was.
I liked him.
Me and him got along great.
Yeah, I was going to say, we'd probably shoot the breeze for like three hours and laugh our ass off.
It's just, I understand where he's coming from.
Like, there's a lot of assholes out there.
There's a lot of pseudoscience out there.
There's a lot of bullshit.
There's no peer review in the alternative realm, right?
So there's a lot of bullshit artists and grifters.
And there's a lot of well intentioned people who get it wrong too, because it is not their books.
Their presentations are not put up for peer review.
They don't get critically analyzed.
I could sit here and tell you, and then they get these like softball like interviews with true believers and podcasts.
So it's like, if I could spin you one side of a story and make myself appear to be the big hare who has all the answers.
But if you objectively debate with someone, so, you know, Dibble's up against some real assholes who like denigrate him or they call for his job.
And that's why I've like.
I'm just.
Man, it's vicious.
It's vicious.
The people that are against him online, it is like.
It is the most extreme cult I've ever seen.
And bingo.
And, you know, the left wing is its own virtue signaling, DEI, ESG cult.
Of course.
And, like, if I say transgender, a man who transitions to a woman, I'm, like I said, a former coach, should not be allowed to participate in women's sports.
That's, like, obvious.
But I think, like, Congressman Seth Moulton just said that out of Massachusetts, and Tufts is going to, like, stop doing business with them or something.
It's like, that's crazy.
That is, like, so.
A few years ago, you'd get kicked off social media for doing that, for dead naming somebody or.
Exactly.
And it's if Trump's victory is a repudiation of all that, you know?
And I like to think of myself as moderate.
And I really feel like people just got to understand the algorithms are weaponizing the preferences and they're getting you addicted to outrage.
Yeah.
I mean, being a coach helped me.
Like, I got conservative parents, I got liberal parents, they both want the best for the kids.
It's like, I don't give a what you vote for.
Right.
Like, it's a different dynamic.
But will you indulge me for a second to read a quote?
And hopefully, put the racist thing to bed.
Of course.
This is what Vine Deloria said.
He was a Lakota Sioux elder, voted by Time Magazine as one of the greatest religious thinkers of the 20th century.
He's an author.
He wrote Red Earth, White Lies.
He was critical of kind of white mainstream archaeology and anthropology.
And he actually organized a conference in 1999 in Washington State where he had all these elders share their indigenous wisdom about giants, which is very interesting as well.
So people say, oh, this is a fairy tale.
You know, giants or whatever.
Indigenous Wisdom on Big People00:04:02
It's like, how can virtually every culture on earth and almost every Native American tribe have these traditions of giants?
And that's something that makes me question.
When was he from again?
What time?
What time period?
Oh, 80s.
I think he passed away in the 2000s.
Oh, yeah.
Vine DeLorean.
The Indian explanation is always cast aside.
Let me see.
As a superstition precluding Indians from having acceptable status as human beings and reducing them in the eyes of the educated people to a pre human level of ignorance.
The stereotypical image of American Indians as childlike, superstitious creatures permeates American society because Americans have been taught that scientists are always right, that they have no personal biases, and that they do not lie.
Which is, and a lot of indigenous scholars think the same way.
It's like you're dictating to us what we should believe.
Because these ideas that the natives have are about floods, they're about giants, they're about lost civilizations.
They are a part of the belief system of the ideological enemy of science, which is religion and mythology, right?
So it's like, I'm not going to yield an inch.
So I'm going to make claims of racism where I kind of subtly and racistly do not listen to the traditions of indigenous people.
So I just throw that out there.
It's like, time to pull that.
You know, if I got like a SS tattoo on my neck and I'm saying Nazi superman built this and that, you know, you could shit on me.
But I'd like to put that to rest because I love working with.
I've organized archaeological digs.
I sit and I talk to like anthropologists for hours on end.
I've presented at university campuses and the kids, you know, and I'm like a goodwill ambassador from Lunatic Fringe.
You know, I talk about fish gods and Atlantis and I find these subjects interesting, you know, and I just like, I want a, like in science, you have, I mean, I'm sorry, in medicine, allopathic medicine, alternative medicine.
Now you have complementary medicine.
And I would like to see the same in archaeology and anthropology, hopefully.
Right.
The first time I learned about you was from a gentleman by the name of Praveen Mohan.
Oh, yeah.
He was in here and he was pointing out some of the newspaper articles from like the New York Times from, I want to say it was like the 40s and 50s, maybe.
And they were showing actual excavations of these giant skeletons that were found in these mounds and like South America.
And some were even in, I think one was in Texas, maybe.
And he was pointing out that like you were the like foremost.
Guy around here that's researching this kind of stuff.
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Yeah, first of all, I like him.
He's a really solid dude.
And he's into the traditions like in India.
Same thing.
I've read all the Vedas, the Ashtavakra Gita, the Rebu Gita, all the metaphysical and historical texts of the Hindus, and it's wild.
Yeah.
So.
You know, what I found is like in 1939 at the Moore Hiss Mound in Texas, they found a massive skull and there's a picture of it.
And William Duffin was the archaeologist who was like a WPA works project in 39.
And I went to talk to him and he passed away at like 106 a couple years ago.
Yeah, right.
But anyways, the skull rests at the Texas Archaeological Research Lab and it's enormous.
And then in 1933, George Fisher, head geologist of Pennsylvania, unearthed a seven foot five skeleton.
Donald Cadzo joins him on the dig.
He is an Oxford trained archaeologist.
He writes this article about finding a seven foot five skeleton.
And then about three months later, he's cruising in a van with the seven foot five inch skeleton, talking about it going to Harrisburg because the Smithsonian requested that it go there.
Right.
So that's where I go with this.
It's not just like this drunk farmer from 1720, it is like respected professionals, including in the 50s and 60s, Don Dragoo.
Head of the anthropology department at the Carnegie at the Creasat Mound in West Virginia.
They were destroying it for an oil and gas project.
So he excavated and he found a seven foot two skeleton with massive bone structure, huge jaw.
They call it the Adena jaw.
And Webb and Snow at the Dover Mound in Kentucky, funded by the University of Kentucky, unearthed another seven foot skeleton with massive bone structure.
The Adena people elongated their skulls.
There's all this mystery here, right?
So you might say, ah, seven foot, seven foot two, Shaq's that big or whatever.
But there are so many of these accounts.
With massive bone structure, with jaw bones that fit over the face, of a much higher percentage than today's population, if you read through all the ancient documents.
So, I mean, I'm sorry.
So, there were a lot more shacks walking around.
There were a lot more shacks, but they were like NFL linebackers.
They weren't like skinny dudes either.
And every explorer you can name encountered giant native chiefs.
Tuscaloosa, Alabama, DeSoto, you know, him and his father.
And the archaeological narrative is, you know, the Indians are like seven foot eight.
Five foot seven, five foot eight, and the Spanish, the English, they were five, two, five, three, which is true.
The general population was, but their leaders, the tall ones, the chiefs, they were on their knees.
They towered over all our tallest men.
You know, you read the accounts and these explorers who were trained in the art of observation, and they are talking about absolutely enormous tribal chiefs all the way down to Patagonia.
Magellan, Drake, De Soto, they all encountered and recorded.
This is happening.
So it's just another, you know, just like polydactylism, extra fingers and extra toes.
It's another aspect of the mystery that's ubiquitous.
It's found around the world by cultures who had little or no contact.
And that's what catches my attention.
What is the biggest skeleton excavation that you've seen, a human skeleton that you've actually looked at?
Oh, good question.
Well, seven foot six at the Mudder Museum in Philadelphia.
And where did that one come from?
A Kentucky.
It came from Kentucky, but part of getting it is that they sent it to the Mudder Museum with the understanding that they couldn't say where it came from.
So I know it's very strange, but there's a seven foot six skeleton that's believed possibly to be one of these mound builder giants.
But I will say, we have that photograph of like an eight and a half foot skeleton that was found and shipped to the Smithsonian in 1933 that we found during our show in the microfilm, and we got it in our book.
So it's this picture of Les Eaton, who's over six foot tall, next to an eight and a half foot tall skeleton.
So To the argument I made, the Smithsonian is claiming that the largest skeleton they ever received was six for three.
And I'm not saying, you know, modern day scientists, they probably don't even know these stories.
But at the time, there was a particularly zealous, racist, pre Nazi eugenist named Dr. Herlichka that ran the anthropology department with an iron fist.
Wow.
Oh, yeah.
What's his name?
How do you spell his name?
Herlichka.
Herlichka?
H R D L I C K. Dr. Herlichka.
See if you can find something about this dude.
He sounds.
He was a Czech anthropologist.
He was a lot of the early scientists.
There he is right there.
Actually, they were into this idea of giants.
They were open to it.
Their scientists wrote about, you know, a 36 inch circumference skull found by Thomas M. Perrin in Illinois, like massive bones in their ethnology reports.
But he was the guy in 1933 who wrote and talked about giants are no more.
This is wishful thinking.
This is.
Delusions of amateurs and things like that, ignoring the fact that his own scientists had uncovered and reported these things.
So it's a really interesting dynamic.
And I'm going to say something that's repulsive, but he also said some and believed some of the most racist things you can imagine.
He wrote and edited the Journal of American Anthropology in 1933.
We write about it in our book.
He said, The greatest threat to the American population is blending the inferior blood of the one tenth of the Negro population into the superior white blood of the rest of the white race.
And he had all kinds of like that.
And that's what scientists believed back then.
And this is, you know, you have Native American civilizations with these giant chiefs, the tall ones, with these legends of cannibalistic, warlike giants that are clearly in their traditions.
You have magnificent geometric forms that predict eclipses.
You have this vast and incredible Native American civilization, but they were denigrated and they were marginalized as a ploy to steal their land.
And the scientists of the time went along with that, too.
Legends of Florida Beach Rocks00:03:32
It's like, We're not going to embrace any of this mythological, childlike ideas of the Native Americans.
We're going to marginalize them.
And that's what happened.
So, scientists today do not operate like that.
But you got to be honest about the shit that happened in this crucible when modern theories were formed.
And one of the missteps of science is that they pushed away oral traditions and native indigenous wisdom.
So, we don't listen to the anchor when they tell us something that lines up with a mythological idea.
We don't listen to the natives that have been there for tens of thousands of years when they tell us that giants were a historical reality.
That doesn't mean they were, but To dismiss them out of hand and portray indigenous people as superstitious and childlike, you can feel that too.
When you're told about a native tradition, you know, you get this vibe of like, I have respect for the culture, but I don't believe the, you know what I mean?
That's kind of like what we're taught by science.
So, sorry, that's a long winded way of saying be open to indigenous traditional narratives.
There is funny, there's a weird sort of legend around this area of Florida.
We're We're on what's called Indian Rocks Beach right now.
The beach that's literally a quarter mile that way is called Indian Rocks Beach.
And it's called Indian Rocks Beach because allegedly there's all these Indian burial mounds that are around this area.
And there's, for some reason, over the last couple hundred years, out of the hundreds and hundreds and thousands of hurricanes that have come up through the Yucatan and gone up the Gulf of Mexico, there's only been maybe two that have hit anywhere close to us.
And they've gone.
probably at least 100 miles north or south.
There's never been a direct hit within like 50 miles of this beach in like a thousand years.
And the legend is because there's these Indian burial grounds protecting Indian Rocks Beach.
And just last year, not even a year ago, maybe six months ago, there was a report that was in the news where this lady was like redoing her, like building a house and they like knocked down this huge Indian burial mound and excavated all these bones.
And in the last freaking three months, there's been like three hurricanes that have hit us direct.
And there's one coming right for us right now, too.
That's supposed to hit next week.
Oh, I didn't know that.
That Belos.
Jesus Christ.
We wrote about it.
This has been the worst three months of hurricanes that we've ever had in this part of Florida.
We wrote about the, it's called The Sores of Thunder Effects.
Anthony Robbins was a mystic and an author who wrote about giants and.
Tony Robbins?
No, no, no.
Anthony.
Anthony Roberts.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
You know, Tony Robbins has gigantism too.
Yeah.
He's got the pituitary traits.
Yes.
Where he's got the, he had like a, I think it was maybe a benign form of, but he's got like the gigantism traits or whatever.
And he had that when he was young where he got like really big.
He's got the big jaw and the brow.
And he's like, he's super tall.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Could be like acromegaly or something like that.
So he wrote this, Anthony Roberts, I believe.
Robbins, anyways, wrote about the Souls of Thunder effect.
When they opened the burial mounds around the British Isles, you would get these incredible storms come up.
Druidic Ley Lines and Storms00:04:57
And his thought is like these ancient geomancers, they built along ley lines, they used their divination skills to build and enchant the landscape.
That's a John Michelle thing, who was a mentor to Hugh Newman.
He wrote about how you use certain stones, certain geometry, water, And energy lines to transform and enchant the landscape to bring peace and prosperity to the population.
It's like this ancient druidic thought system, which is interesting.
But every time you would open these burial mounds of the ancients, you would get wild storms, and they're all documented.
We get pictures of them, like old woodcuts of the explorers would go on the weekends and look for pots and they're digging.
And then the second frame is this wild storm comes up.
And the same thing is, it's like, you know, natives were into weather shamanism and the mystical world.
And that's another thing that's dismissed, you know, this idea that there's another reality that we interface with.
And I've spent a lot of time with indigenous wisdom keepers, with shamans, with tradition holders, and they tell me very specific and very strange stories about the nature of reality, about the invisible realms and stuff like that.
And it's my personal experience, but I got to say that that is exactly what they're saying.
So you could dismiss them if you want, or you could say maybe there is something to the story, just like your burial mound stories.
At least be open to it, I would say.
Like, what's your intuition?
What's your experience tell you?
Right.
Like, who is that freaking gatekeeper in your mind?
Who is the tyrant that is like smugly knows better?
The ego, right?
Insidious, tyrannical.
It feeds you self loathing and doubt and conflict and judgment instead of forgiveness and empathy, you know?
Right.
Like, the subtle voice beneath the surface is your real state, your natural state.
And the over identification with the movie character, like, this is the only existence I have.
I got to freaking fight and scratch and I got to get things externally.
That clouds your judgment, that covers you in the worst impulses.
And the ego is the conspiracy.
You know, there are conspiracies in the world, but the ego is like a bad software program that makes you believe that your only experience is this right here.
And that somehow it's like, you know, once they throw you in the ground, you're done.
Instead of you're the screen of existence, the ocean of existence, and not the wave, your real state is eternal, unchanging, blissful.
And God's at home, and we're the idiots who decided to take a walk.
The allegory of the prodigal son.
That's what the mystics tell us.
Right.
I think technology has been one of the big reasons that we've sort of lost this connection, this sort of spiritual connection that we had, like the Native Americans would have back in the day, or like the experience that you get when you're on drugs or on psychedelics like DMT or ayahuasca or whatever.
Because there's people that talk about how, like, when they first go to the Amazon or whatever and they walk out into the jungle barefooted, like, all of a sudden, all these deep senses sort of arise.
Deep from deep within them that have been buried because of this technological advanced society we live in in North America, where we're surrounded by screens.
You can call a car to pick you up.
There's an app on your phone to deliver food to your house.
It's insane how much electronic shit and technology and just the evolution of technology that we've surrounded ourselves with, I think, is sort of destroying that connection to whatever sort of.
Whatever sort of ethereal layer of consciousness that exists out there that some of the ancients would talk about.
Bingo, you nailed it.
Even Rudolf Steiner, the mystic, called it Ahriman.
He called it this dark, cold technological force that would overtake humanity, but it would be chosen by humanity.
And I studied with John Gardner.
He was super old when I studied with him, like in the 80s.
And he actually knew Steiner.
Steiner was like a mystic, like Edgar Cayce.
And he talked about this cold technology would be.
Accepted and wanted.
So at the time, we're like, what is this technology that's coming around?
My friends who studied Steiner.
We joke, it's like, oh, you're putting on the helmet, or they're going to have a TV that you have to leave on 24 hours a day in your house.
We didn't know it would be the iPhone.
It would be this insidious, dark, cold technology that brought about the worst impulses in humans.
It agitates you.
It gets you addicted to outrage.
And just be honest, you know what I mean?
We've all been, you know.
Like dopamine slot machines.
Bingo, right?
And I don't want to talk up my game, but, you know, part of my spiritual journey and my plant medicine ceremony is to look at all my.
Silence Over Digital Outrage00:04:40
Embarrassing behavior, all my shortcomings, all my judgments, all my desperation around, you know, as my soulmate, you know, this heartache that we often feel.
So I sat and I burned out that for years.
I've sat in silence for a long, you know, going Aaron Rodgers or whatever.
I live in a 10 foot by 12 foot cabin, 10 foot by 12 foot.
I have virtually no possessions.
I drive in a beat up old truck.
I've been single for years and I've come to a place of being never being lonely, completely.
Thrilled to be at peace in a meditative state or to hang out with friends and stuff.
And my life is oriented around like serving anybody I can, not like because I'm a fake good guy, because I feel like the world bores me to tears.
You know what I mean?
I dig ancient mysteries, I like metaphysics, you know, mix in a little Celtics or whatever.
But like the world of distraction and conflict bores the out of me.
Right.
And when you like reside and surrender into your real state, it's so enthralling.
You're like, I can't believe I am that.
You know what I mean?
Right.
So it's magnetizing us all.
But we're swimming against the river.
We really are.
We really are, right?
Strong river.
And it's like.
Niagara Falls is not far.
Bingo.
And the moral of the story is you already are perfect.
You're like, and we think of that in the context of a weird movie character who's temporary.
I'm talking about your real state behind the scenes.
And you can experience it in your temporary movie character.
Excuse me.
But it's like surrendering into that state versus swimming against the river because we falsely believe this is all we are.
Right, I need some more money or I need a new girlfriend or I need, you know what I'm saying?
Like, because I feel like about myself because I falsely believe what I am not.
And especially a character that the time is, you know, you're on the clock in a body, you know what I mean?
I got to get.
And now I just sit in silence.
I don't freaking want anything.
And I'm not saying that makes me right, but I like to think it positions me well to objectively take on these controversial mysteries, do shows, do all this other stuff I do because I could feel like.
The overstimulation happened.
You know, you're filming, millions of people watching you, like the camera's always following you around.
You know, and my brother and I are pretty grounded and level headed, but I could feel that, like, the cokehead part of me getting wound up.
You know, it's like, oh, some MILF sending me a message.
You know what I mean?
It's like, sorry, but it can be overstimulating.
And I'm like, that, you know, it's not like, it's not that I'm so good.
It's that it reads disingenuous and it makes me feel like shit.
Yes.
And I'll tell a story here, if you'll indulge me for a sec.
I did a ceremony.
When I came with the shamanista, and I asked, which guide me because I'm going to talk to this dude that I have these karmic entanglements with and has this, you know, the you see mainstream media is dying, right?
I mean, yes, like CNN's letting everybody off, yeah.
And we learned that better than ever in this last election, exactly.
So these formats are the new news, they're like just growing in popularity, which is great, and I applaud you when you and.
On creating this way to communicate.
But I'm in a ceremony.
Like I asked the spirits, you know, guide me and show me.
And what I got was this like, I was thrust into the field of the one that Rumi talks about.
Beyond concepts of good and bad, there is a field I will meet you there.
You know, that like, thank God I don't have to do anything to become what I already am, right?
Just like that breath of fresh air.
And Rumi was enlightened, Hafiz was enlightened, Ramana Maharshi, Jesus, Buddha, they have liberated themselves and wrote about.
What it's like to be in the state of the one.
So I'm in the realm of the one and I'm given a life review and I see my entire, the scope of my life.
And it's like every time I was arrogant, judgmental, critical, argumentative, it wasn't even like it was a real thing.
It was just false and untrue.
It was just like this lame energy that went nowhere.
And every time I was empathic and compassionate and helpful, I could just see this incredible, like, this is what you really are.
This is the energy that's waking you up, and this is what you should behave, not out of good or bad.
It's because it's your real state.
You know how like judgment feels like, yeah, and holding the door and smiling for somebody just feels good, right?
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Absolutely.
So it's not some new way, it's like a reality.
This is what you are, and it revealed it to me.
And then you showed up, and I could see that we had different lifetimes together.
I know that's a strange concept, but most of the world believes in reincarnation, all the masters teach it.
And you are like an alchemist, like Ewan Rogan, that sets the stage for events like this can happen.
Like you're objective, you're open minded, you're self reflective, and you don't take yourself too seriously.
You're just like, let's create this platform.
It's like Plato's Academy.
Honestly, that's what Plato did.
He would just open up the realm of ideas.
So I applaud you for that, but it was wild.
It was wild.
And I know it's just like, I can't, I don't know if a bunch of ironworkers are going to know what I'm talking about.
It's my experience.
It just is what it is.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And I thought it was just a real cool happening, you know?
Yeah, man.
That is super cool.
That is very cool.
What, so you, from when I talked to Hugh, he was telling, he was kind of explaining to me that you are really big into the investigation of the background of the Atlantis story as well.
And from what I understand, Ignatius Donnelly was one of the first people to actually write a book about Atlantis, right?
I forget the name of his book.
But, um, I had Flint come on to talk about Atlantis.
And at all the shit that Flint talked about, me and him disagreed on a lot of stuff.
We disagreed on the vases, the Egypt stuff.
But one of the things that I think that made a lot of sense that Flint said that I just can't get out of my mind is the way he explained Atlantis and the backstory of Atlantis.
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And Flint just happens to be, for what it's worth, his area of study, geographic location, Greece, and the time 12,000 to 15,000 years ago.
Plato's Atlantis and Ancient Islands00:12:07
In that area of Athens, time it lines up perfectly with the story of Atlantis and the people who are writing about Atlantis and Plato and all that stuff.
So, um, the way he explained it to me, and I also had another friend of mine who is a classical philologist who has dedicated the last 30 years of his life to reading the ancient Greek literature.
He read, uh, just an endless amounts of philosophy, history, comedy, and pharmaceutical texts and medical texts in antiquity.
Um, And his ideas on Atlantis, as well as Flint's ideas on Atlantis, seemed to line up.
Particular, specifically in the fact that Plato seemed to be a philosopher who was known for coming up with hypothetical philosophical, philosophical, hypothetical ideas on, like, how to build the ideal sim city or coming up with war games, which was the idea of the Timaeus and Critias.
Where they were coming up with a war game between Athens and this hypothetical advanced city of Atlantis.
And what would happen in that hypothetical war is similar to his hypothetical idea of Plato's cave, right?
Like, we don't, one of the main points that Flint brought up is Plato's cave, the allegory of the cave, was a philosophical idea and an analogy he was trying to explain for humans to understand.
And that's the reason that we're not looking for Plato's cave.
Another thing is the, you know, Plato was also really big.
Like, he wanted to censor Homer.
He didn't want the kids that were growing up being educated to know anything about Homer because he thought that was not good for society.
He wanted to come up with this noble lie for society to basically create this sort of Santa Claus for people to, so people could behave well and act right, not commit crimes.
Like, he wanted this ideal.
This ideal society, and he wanted to create this sort of like a noble lie where he thought, I mean, to his credit, he thought that, like, you know, the philosopher king should run society, below them should be the knights and all this stuff.
So, you know, he was known for coming up with these crazy hypothetical abstract ideas and these thought experiments, right?
And he wasn't known for being a historian.
So, and then, so if you combine that with what we know of Plato, With the historical timeline of what we know about Atlantis, which is an oral tradition.
The first time it was ever talked about was like a thousand years before Solon, right?
And then it was an oral tradition for like a thousand years.
And then I might be fing this up.
I'm going to do my best.
But then Solon told Pliny the Elder about it.
And then there was like another couple hundred years.
And then Pliny the Elder told his grandson, Pliny the Younger, who was 10 years old.
And then there was like another hundred years.
And then there was like an Egyptian priest who read some sort of texts.
Maybe this was before all of it.
The temple priests of Seus.
Yeah, the temple priests, right, right.
Transmitted the story to Solon.
To Solon, yeah.
Right, right, right, right.
But then there was never any actual evidence.
Evidence of that text.
Like it was, he wasn't actually consulting the text when he told Solon, right?
So this was prior to all these transmissions going down this chain over thousands of years.
And then 50 years after Pliny the Elder's grandson, Pliny the Younger, told Socrates, then another 50 years goes by and then Plato writes about it.
No, those are all good points.
Flint is right that Athens in 9000 BC.
Was bedrock.
There's no evidence that it was advanced culture.
Right.
So it's like that feeds into like, is this a noble lie or not?
You know, is this an allegory?
Right.
And he did, like, he did operate like that.
And, you know, these ideas that, excuse me, just because Plato said it doesn't make it factual.
It could be like, this might be worthy of further investigation.
That's what I would say.
The idea intrigues me.
Let's see.
I would say that there are other sources that talk about, um, You know, like the Twatha De Dunin show up from four island continents, I mean, islands, four Atlantic islands, and they show up in ancient Ireland and these supernatural beings.
And you have these stories of lost worlds and gods and the Agdoad and the Eniad in Egypt.
And at the Temple of Edfu, you have the building text, right?
I saw you talking about the building text, right?
So I reached out to Mano Saif Sade, who was translating them from.
German to English.
Now, Dieter Kurth is a doctor who since 1986 has been translating the building texts of Edfu into German, right?
And, you know, the old French translations leave a lot to be desired.
So Manu is friends with Dr. Dieter Kurth and interfaces with them, has them over for dinner, and he's taken these incredible texts and he's translating them now into English.
So I just spoke at the Casey conference with Manu and I'm friends with him.
And I asked him about this dynamic of like, is this Hancock's version of The Ed Food text, kind of a patchwork of wishful thinking.
And he said, no, he got it right stunningly because they're very difficult to translate.
Ptolemaic hieroglyphs are very, very difficult in context, they're very difficult to understand.
But he said, you can believe it or not, but these writings about the primeval land and the land of the gods and the first time, they are claiming that there was this lost island of the gods that was destroyed in the flood.
In the Edfu text.
In the Edfu text.
And when were the Edfu texts written?
It was a Ptolemaic temple.
So, you know, 200 BC.
I hope I got that date right.
So after Plato wrote about it.
But no, no.
The traditions go way, way back.
They're oral traditions carried and written down.
And like the pyramid text of Unus are super ancient, but they're even from more ancient traditions.
And I will say Homer talked about Agygia.
That's his Atlantis.
Agygia?
Agygia.
In the middle of the Atlantic.
Yes, Agygia.
The Agygian flood, Plato talked about in laws.
Book three, and he says it was 10,000 years before the invention of writing and music.
So the date is like 10,600 BC that Plato points to for the time of the Gygian flood.
And Plutarch, and there's another geographer who's escaping my attention now, said that Gygia lay five days west of England in the middle of the Atlantic.
That they pinpointed this Gygian paradise in the middle of the Atlantic.
Oh, there we go.
Ogigian flood is a flood in ancient Greek mythology that occurred during the region of Ogigis, a mythical king of Attica and Boeotia.
Boeotia.
Fact checked in real time.
Yeah, look at that.
Community notes.
Interesting.
It says survivors moved to Egypt, which was called Ogigia.
Can you scroll down a little bit more so we can see like a timeline maybe or like dates?
Ogigis.
What happened to Ogigia?
Click on the Wikipedia.
Plato gives it a date of like 10,600 BC, I believe.
Oh, okay.
In Laws 3.
It's for Homer, it's this mythology or this age of the gods, this ancient time.
One thing I find interesting is like we have a cold case, right?
Science, anthropology, archaeology, they're a different kind of science.
It's not like biomedicine or physics or math where you can keep repeating the same.
Exactly.
Right?
Yes.
So it's a more ephemeral, difficult science.
And that's not to disparage professionals because it's really hard.
So you get to find a new site.
You got a carbon test.
You got to have things in context.
There's a lot to it.
Yes.
Excuse me.
So, I, being the weirdo that I am, and I'm willing to go anywhere for a good story, and I bring in the clairvoyants, the psychics Edgar Cayce, Rudolf Steiner, Madame Blavatsky, the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons.
And what's stunning is every one of those groups or mystics said that Atlantis was a historical reality, there was a cataclysm that destroyed it.
Humans were originally androgynous, a byproduct of genetic engineering.
What does that word mean?
Androgynous sexless beings, you know, kind of like my love life.
It's either possessing two sets of sexual organs or none.
You know, it's really weird.
Even Plato says, you know, Aristophanes displays the myth of the ancient androgen, and Zeus cuts us down the middle.
We were first androgynous.
Plato talks about it.
Plato talks about Atlantis as a historical reality.
Plato talks about the immortality of the soul.
So, all these skeptics, I'm skeptics, psychics are claiming the same strange and specific thing.
You could say, ah, maybe they just took information from each other, but it's like the Rosicrucians and Freemasons, they're kind of like tight to the vest with their info.
You read through their documents, you talk to people who are Rosicrucians and Freemasons, and they're like, they believe all their esoteric wisdom flows back through Egypt.
To Atlantis.
So that's just interesting.
So I'm open to these ideas.
To get back to Agigia, Madame Blavatsky said that Homer was correct.
He was the first one, the bard of Ulysses understood that Agigia was Atlantis.
So there's other, you could say, I don't believe in Atlantis.
The Aztecs call it Aztaland.
All these indigenous people have beliefs about a lost continent, Lemuria in the Pacific, Atlantis.
I could get into plate tectonics and that it might be somewhat of a flawed theory, but I don't want to because it's a long.
I'm just saying, be open to the idea.
And as a professional, it's like, you know, this is what I need.
You know, we got to go over the mid Atlantic range and we got to find this, and this is the evidence I need.
And, you know, I'll reference, you know, I'm not here fighting a proxy war for Graham Hancock.
I like Graham a lot.
Yeah.
And he's the one who got me into like Ayahuasca, so I'm indebted to him.
And he's just pushing boundaries.
He's a maverick and he's looking for, you know, Atlantis and this lost race.
And that's cool because a lot of the mystics of old, like Plato, you ever wonder why his.
His work is like almost so flawless.
Albert North Whitehead says Western thought is a series of footnotes to Plato.
You know, Plato was a genius.
Pythagoras.
Yeah.
And Aristotle.
Aristotle.
The scientists of old were a blend of spiritual.
How do I say it?
They were spiritual scientists.
Yeah.
They engaged.
They were all doing drugs.
They were all doing like ethnogens.
They were engaging in rituals.
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Mm hmm.
They were liberating themselves from the false self, from the judgments and the ego self.
So, thus, they were well prepared and objective to take on both sides of the street, the invisible realms and the visible realms.
And, you know, so it's like they did that.
So, the scientists of today would be helpful.
Like I say, skeptics are more afraid of ayahuasca than they are Atlantis.
You know, I know I'm being a wise guy, but, and I don't even want to diss anyone.
I'm just saying, like, you know, you might want to mix in a little plant medicine ceremony or some metaphysical, usually, like when you have trauma or somebody you love dies or some crazy.
happens, you get a portal into the other realm, you know?
So some people get it that way.
It's like it shouldn't have to happen that way to see through the veil of this matrix, you know?
So once again, I would like a blending of spirituality and science.
That would be cool in my estimation, and we'll see where it goes.
I think the Trump election, and I'm a moderate, it's a repudiation of some of these ideas of grievance archaeology, of dictating through a Virtue signaling cult like lens of what the past is like and how people should behave.
It's like all my lefty friends are like, they feel like they got to walk on eggshells all the time.
Oh, do I get my pronouns right?
Do I get the right flag in my, you know, profile and all that?
It's like people want to be left the alone.
You know what I mean?
Like Native Americans voted in the largest democratic way for Trump.
Yeah.
Right?
So it's like, I'm a cracker.
I'm, you know, I'm whitey telling you and dictating what racism looks like and how to protect you.
It's like, I don't.
Some of the most pragmatic people I know are native people, you know?
Yes, yes.
You know, some of that, I feel like some of that really only exists on social media, on places like Twitter and a little bit of YouTube and stuff like that.
You know, my friend Julian Dory has this great theory.
He's a born and raised in New Jersey kid, and he's got this theory he calls the Wawa theory.
He's like, if you go online and you look at some of the far right or far left, most bloodthirsty corners of the internet and see how riled up everyone is, He goes, if you want a real litmus test of reality, go to a Wawa.
He's like, if I go to a Wawa, he goes, I see the guy with the, I see the girl with the green hair holding the door for the old guy with the Vietnam hat.
Reality is that.
It's not really what you see on social media.
And it's almost like the people who spend the most time on social media, if you spend too much time on these screens, that sort of becomes your reality.
Bingo.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, it's.
Remarkable.
They don't interact like that in real life.
No, no, they don't.
When you go to Wawa, you don't act like that to people.
No, no.
It's funny because, you know, I'm whatever.
Like I said, I'm trying to be the goodwill ambassador for Lunatic Fringe, but it's like, here's the giant dude.
You know, this cat's out of his mind, you know?
But it's like, I'm working with perfect.
I've never got dissed in my face, you know what I mean?
It's like, and I like a good debate.
I don't want softballs.
I want to figure out the truth for real.
I absolutely feel that.
And it's a manufactured, you know, you can get into like the CIA and, you know, go listen to Bobby Kennedy Jr., and, you know, they iced his father.
John and my house was like a shrine to the Kennedys when we grew up, right?
My parents grew up in East Boston.
My mother was Irish Catholic.
Yeah.
MLK, John and Bobby Kennedy all over the freaking house.
Yeah.
And it was like the promise was that the Democrats were going to deliver a world without war, a world of sanity, a world of respect for everyone.
Right.
And then the left started falsely believing that's coming back if we get the right candidate, if we get back in power, and it never fucking happened.
Biden passes the largest defense bill in human history.
The left loves World War III.
Now we're fighting this fucked up proxy war in Ukraine, and Putin's like, We're putting trillions of dollars in the US, and because it's the reserve currency, that's what's causing inflation, not supply chain bottlenecks.
And he's just like, You know, they had England and the United States pull Ukraine away from the peace negotiations 100%.
Right?
Yep.
And then The Guardian, before it was a left wing rag, was writing about that and cozying up to neo Nazis and what, you know.
The US is hankering for World War III.
And now it's just like, oh, the freedom fighters are taking on, you know, because Putin has some conservative views about like LGBT, you know, people and stuff like that.
And so he's become this demon, you know.
And I've never heard him.
He says, like, I'm all for people believing what they want and doing what they want.
You know, I'm not going to get into that debate.
The moral of the story is like, you have this insidious control system that divides people.
That's why they're easy to control.
Like it said, you hold the door for someone, you give you shit about someone.
Right.
And I felt it myself with the whole COVID thing.
I got vaxxed.
I got boosted because I thought I was being a good citizen.
And then I'm taking a step back and I'm looking how people are treated, like Aaron Rodgers.
Yeah.
Is it Yokovic?
Who was the tennis player?
Nadal or whatever?
No, I don't remember the tennis player.
And they're totally getting demonized, right?
Like they're complicit in mass murder.
And I'm like, so, anyways, it happens on the right, too.
I don't want to get too late.
I don't want to get too long winded.
But I just want to say that you're absolutely right.
Get the fuck out of here.
Off, unless you listen to your podcast, get off the internet.
Right.
Get off.
If you start feeling like shit and you're addicted to outrage, it's a red flag, you know?
Right.
Well, I think the podcast shit is a good antidote to the internet extreme shit because you can just put your headphones in and listen to something uninterrupted for three hours.
That's what I thought was so cool about that Trump podcast because this is a guy who has this, he is probably the most, absolutely the most famous human being on earth.
And he's been hyper famous.
For decades, right?
And he's got this incredible brand, this real estate and entertainment sort of brand, right?
Larger than life personality.
But he exists in these overly produced television shows, commercials.
If you look at the news, it's all kind of opinion, commentary, short clips, and summaries of shit.
But what has not existed until now is.
A long form three hour uncut stream of consciousness from that guy.
And I thought that was like the most profound thing that happened with that podcast is like you actually get to see right through this guy and see what he's really about.
Is he full of shit?
Is he just a pull string puppet who just repeats the same shit over and over again?
Or can he hold a real conversation?
Does he actually have real beliefs?
How does he think?
One thing is that the maverick thinkers in the Democratic Party have been pushed out RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard.
Oh, yeah.
They're not sociopaths.
They're marketing conspiracy, the trafficking conspiracy, and all this shit.
My left friends, I was like, I like RFK Jr., man.
He talks about.
I love that guy.
This is how the CIA was formed.
This is how they operate.
And, like, I don't want to end up dead in a dumpster, but you know, this cat is right on.
And he's the first president talking about this crazy epidemic of cancer and autism and diabetes and obesity in the country.
Like, that is the number one problem.
That's like the biggest killer out of anything.
And he's the first president to actually talk about that in his campaign.
That's insane.
And Elon Musk comes out of the gate.
It's like the Walmart mongers were coming after you, you know.
And he's saying, like, you know, Pfizer, Big Pharma, Bobby Kennedy Jr. saying, Keep your receipts, you know, like that's not fascist, but but you know, Trump, like all of us, he's he's flawed.
He's I, I admire, like, I'm like a recovering Catholic, you know, so I got all these up hang ups, you know, and it's like I can only imagine being so embarrassed in the public eye, you know, all the trials and all the right, right, like God, you know, having your past indiscretions brought up and stuff like that.
The point is that he's not pure evil and he's not sent by God to save the world either, you know, be objective about it.
Like 97% of DC voted for Harris, right?
Is that Elitis out of touch or what?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, and that doesn't, you know, I don't want to dismiss her, but they were just looking, you know, the neocons got completely behind her.
Dick Cheney, you're like the war machine, universally voted for a kid, you know, and she's outside, you know, I'm not going to do it.
Well, whatever.
She's not like savvy.
She doesn't understand economic policy.
She's kind of a figurehead.
So this insidious plan can keep unrolling.
We sell weapons around the world, you know, where, um, Leading to a path of destruction.
So Trump's a hand grenade.
We'll see what happens.
But I would just say, you know, being in the middle and more objective is a much saner place to be.
Yeah.
Because it's honest.
It's like, I got my issues.
I'm riddled with flaws.
If I spend all my time demonizing someone, that's a fucking red flag.
Yeah.
No, I mean, at the very least, like, if you want to call these guys, these people, like, if you want to call Trump, like, a sociopath or a liar, like, I'm sure he's lied before.
I'm sure he's got some narcissistic.
Possibly even, I don't know if he's, I wouldn't go to as far to call him a sociopath, but I mean, you absolutely have to be a narcissist to some degree to want to be the president of the United States.
But like at the very least, if he is lying, I mean, she's been caught, I mean, her and Waltz like literally have like lied their ass off objectively.
Like it's been discovered, like it's been exposed, all those lies that they told during their campaign.
But like if Trump's lying about all the shit that he's saying, at the very least, he's pretending to want to end the wars.
He's pretending to support Bitcoin and he's pretending to try to like push this healthcare initiative with Bobby Kennedy.
So, like, I'm gonna take that over her any day of the week.
Early on, he was one of the only critics of the Iraq war.
You had all the Democrats lining up, all the Republicans.
Yeah, he's saying he wants to free, he wants to release the JFK files, first of all.
He wants to release Ross Ulbricht.
So, we'll see if he does this stuff.
He says he's gonna do it like first thing when he gets into office.
Yes.
And I just gotta say, Iraq war, after Afghanistan war.
Once we start, you know, all this moral superiority we feel as a country, man, our government acts in real bad faith, you know, mass murder.
You know what I mean?
We traffic weapons around the planet.
We're not the good guys.
You know what I mean?
And enough of that, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
That, and we'll see where Trump goes.
You know, he could go off the deep end.
He could like really highlight, at least just to talk about it.
Like, we spend, we're $36 trillion in the hole.
You know what that means economically, right?
The Fed raises interest rates.
They hold it too long.
Everything's cracking beneath the scene.
We got the commercial real estate going on.
We get the euphoria from the Trump election right now.
Right.
The 10 years moving up.
You know, there's a lot.
The bond market is the world's investment market, it's not the stock market.
The bond market is huge.
The Japanese and the Chinese are dumping them because of toxic debt with $36 trillion in the hole once again.
So, the 10 year, it's going to become more costly, right?
We pay a trillion dollars a year in interest payments on our up debt.
We're like a cokehead kid who blew all the inheritance of our parents.
And now we're like, in all this, like good economic data is fueled by spending, by its debt fueled.
Prosperity that has to end.
And it gets worse because now we're going to pay exponentially for the interest on the debt.
That's a long winded way of saying we have an insidious system and stop fighting left and right and see and demand at least a temporary world of peace as a springboard to awaken and get the out of the matrix.
You know what I'm saying?
Like just demand peace.
You know what I mean?
I don't give a who the candidate is.
Talk about wars, talk about what's going on.
You know, shit on Netanyahu is not the same as, you know, it gets conflated with anti Semitism.
I got Jewish friends and they think he's a piece of shit.
You know what I mean?
Of course.
Right.
Lots of them.
Me too.
And he's a sociopath.
And he operates like we, when I go to Iraq or I go to Egypt, and, you know, I hope I'm not held accountable for the misdeeds of the U.S. government.
You know what I mean?
Just like, you know, Jewish people probably feel this like disgust at how their government is operating, just like U.S. citizens abroad feel the same way.
It's like, this doesn't represent me, man.
Right.
So, anyways, I don't want to go down that rabbit hole too much.
I just want to express that.
You know what I mean?
Be kind to each other and demand a better world, not based on judgment and addiction to being right, but like empathy, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We'll see.
We'll see if, like, you know, because the media is clearly owned by the left wing establishment and the party, essentially, the regime.
So, and it's clearly that they got to figure out, you know, they don't know what the f they were doing, especially with this election.
They got really arrogant.
They don't understand how this landscape works.
They obviously were not able to, like, read the room.
As to what was going on, and with her literally trying to dictate how she was going to do the Trump podcast, you have to come to me and it's only going to be one hour because I'm too busy.
Meanwhile, the following week, she literally cancels a rally and her plane does a U turn in midair so she can go do SNL.
So you'll cancel a rally for SNL, but you're too busy to do Joe Rogan and you're going to make him come to you.
Whoever was in charge of that, maybe they're going to try to.
They're going to try to figure out what they did and try to figure out a new strategy here because Trump is clearly trying to.
It looks like what he's trying to do is bring more unity.
I mean, he just came out saying that he was going to like pay off her debts or something like that recently.
Yeah.
And like for the sake of unity and to bring the country together.
So we'll see if he can try to like turn this thing around and be more of like a JFK 2.0.
Yeah.
Uh, The autopsy of the Democratic strategy isn't going too well.
It's not, there's not a lot of self reflection.
It's like, oh, we should have got, Biden should have dropped out earlier.
Not like, what is your message?
You know, I could be a brilliant.
Brilliant campaign strategist, but nobody would listen to me.
Right.
You know, they force out Bernie Sanders.
I don't agree with his economic policies, but at least he's better than a lot they put out there.
They push away RFK Jr.
Like, it's like, we're going to work for people.
We're going to work for, you know, you focus on economic needs.
You go, I'm going to have Republicans in my cabinet.
We're, you know, we're going to like work together in a bipartisan way for real.
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None of that.
It's like the cult members, the cult members who remain in the DNC are.
Doubling down, you know what I mean?
Like Trump, you know, he's a racist.
He's going to like deport everyone.
He's going to do all this evil, you know.
So I hope what you're saying is right.
But what we really need is a multi party system that doesn't have political machinery and funding behind it and term limits and term limits.
And Trump's been talking about that.
So, yeah, we'll see where it goes.
I'm just, this is just for people who like, you know, and I'm like a lefty my whole life because, like I said, I had this.
So was I.
Yeah, this glorious dream of, of, Bobby and John coming back and liberating us from the octopus, you know?
It didn't happen.
Yeah, no, I was same way, raised like super, super left-wing by my mom who has a master's degree in fine arts, lived her whole entire life in the university system, still that blue no matter who.
And, you know, like having conversations with her nowadays is like I know, it's rough.
It's rough.
Thankfully, my parents are in the other realm.
God bless them.
But we never talked about it.
It's like now the Democrats today are now they're like the ones that support the Iraq war.
It's crazy.
That's true.
And the intolerance that came out of the left that I never dealt with, you know, I never saw that because, and it's not to shit on anyone because there's a shit of intolerance on the right.
There's like a religious cult thing, an evangelical thing on the right that's a little over the top.
And there's more of an atheistic cult thing on the left, you know, and it is what it is.
It's more like, you know, evaluate what's going on, this binary.
Dynamic and how it doesn't work.
Yeah.
And yeah, I did want to.
Can we shift gears and talk about fish gods?
Let's shift gears, talk about fish gods.
Before we do that, I got to take a leak real quick.
Take a quick pause.
Fish gods.
All right.
Are we rolling, Steve?
We're still going.
All right.
Let's talk about some fish gods.
Which is great, man.
It's like that it's so seemingly absurd.
I love it.
Wasn't Maricosa's fish god?
Let me start, if you would indulge me, by quoting Carl Sagan.
Okay.
First of all, I'll say that all around the world, the wisdom keepers, the culture heroes of virtually every culture, they were androgynous, amphibious, brother and sister, husband and wife, self fertilizing genetic engineers who taught the arts of civilization, repaired the heavens after a cataclysm, and have many other traits in common.
Which is like right off the bat, and these are cultures that had little or no contact.
Wow, and I'll talk about uh your boy Viracocha in a minute.
Yeah, so let me put on my old man glasses here.
And this is Carl Sagan, right?
Okay, so Oannis is the fish dude who shows up and teaches the oxy civilization that Berosus talks about, right?
He has this strange bag, you see it in the Sumerian iconography, right?
He's described by Berosus in 280 BC in Babylonica.
We have his.
Which is no longer with us, but Eusebius of Caesarea and Alexander Polyhistor wrote about the work of Berosus in their works.
So that's a long winded way of saying he talks about how, when you know, in the early times, this fish being comes out of the river and teaches the arts of civilization to the ancient Sumerian people.
And he's literally got like a fish's tail and a human aspect to it, too.
And that's what you see in the iconography.
So we're being told that Ollannis is one of these beings.
And in fact, the seven Sumerian kings of the Kings List that goes back 250,000 years they all had an advisor.
Who was a fish god, who was an androgynous amphibious fish god.
And Oannis was the first one for the first Sumerian king.
And they lived these massive lifespans.
Wow.
So, anyways, this is what our boy Carl Sagan, who I wish was around today, he'd call out so much if he was around today.
Oh, yeah.
Stories like the Oannis legend deserve more critical studies than have been performed heretofore.
Such hypotheses are entirely reasonable and worthy of careful analysis.
So, you know.
People can on me if they want, but I'm going off of what Sagan said about analyzing and trying to figure out the truth of Fishy Friends.
Sumerian civilization is depicted by the descendants of the Sumerians themselves to be of non human origin.
A succession of strange creatures appears over the course of several generations.
Their only apparent purpose is to instruct mankind.
Each knows of the mission and accomplishment of his predecessors.
That's the Apkalu, the seven generations of fish beings.
Okay.
So, the story starts in Mali, Africa, with the Dogon people.
Professor Robert Temple wrote the Sirius mystery in the 70s.
He's one of the most brilliant academics I've ever encountered.
Robert Temple.
Robert Temple.
Professor Robert Temple.
He wrote the history of China with Newman, and the guy's freaking brilliant.
So, he wrote about the Dogon understood, supposedly, about the binary nature of Sirius, like white dwarf, black dwarf stuff.
So, a lot of people got bogged down in the like, then the Christian missionaries might have hooked him up with some idea about Sirius, for instance.
Like, that's how they knew that.
So, I don't want to get bogged down in controversy.
What he really highlighted was that the Nomo, the eight, are androgynous, amphibious, self fertilizing wisdom bringers who taught the arts and civilization to the Dogon people.
So, self fertilizing means you like literally procreate out of yourself.
Right.
That sounds bizarre, right?
Self fertilization.
So, let's go over and then.
Remember what Sagan had to say.
We go over to Sumeria.
Now, give me a sec to talk about Sitchin, right?
Zachariah Sitchin wrote about the Anunnaki gods.
They're extraterrestrials.
Nibiru comes around every 3,600 years.
I don't want to shit on him because he's not here to defend himself, but he created this science fiction kind of version where he had some things right.
The Sumerians, as far as the documents and the cuneiform tablets are concerned, created humans, they are genetic engineers.
But Nibiru was like a mistranslation of Nippur and the Library of Nineveh.
So he created this compelling, but not necessarily factual, or you can't fact check what he had to say.
So the skeptics glom onto that and, like, this is all a fairy tale.
It's like, no, go back to the original translators and finders.
Like H. V. Hilprecht worked for the University of Pennsylvania in the late 1800s.
He was an Assyriologist.
He unearthed the Library of Nineveh.
He found tens of thousands of cuneiform tablets.
And in his book, The Expeditions of the University of Pennsylvania in Babylon, him and his colleague, Hugo Radeau, who got his PhD from Columbia in the 1870s, they wrote about the androgynous nature of all Sumerian gods.
They are self fertilizing androgynous beings that beget out of themselves.
So he's highlighting the fact that all.
The Sumerian gods are self fertilizing androgens, which is wild, right?
It's like that level of specificity.
Now let's go over to Egypt.
And on the temple, at the Horus temple, the Edfu texts, which we had talked about, right?
I got no social life, so it's two in the morning, and I'm reading the old French translations of the Edfu texts.
I'm reading Eve Raymond, right?
The highly regarded Egyptologist.
She writes about the Ogdoad, the Eight.
Now, remember the eight of the Nomo?
Yes.
In Dogon?
Yep.
The Ogdoad and the Eniad are brother and sister, husband and wife, self fertilizing androgens who teach the arts of civilization.
They're wisdom bringers.
And three different passages on the Edfu text talk about the self fertilizing nature of the gods, of the androgynous gods.
They beget out of themselves, they are born without the mother.
You know, it's like clear that they are self fertilizing androgens on the temple walls.
Of Edfu, right?
So you have this theme that is carried to China.
Who creates humans?
Fuxi and Nuwa.
And Robert Temple writes about it.
He wrote the history of China with, I forget his colleague's name, Joseph Newman, I think.
So, anyways, Temple says that the Chinese people firmly believe that a fishtailed, androgynous, humanish hybrid, brother and sister team, Twins created the Chinese civilization.
They taught marriage.
It seems like a genetic experiment.
We're going to teach you animal husbandry, the arts of civilization, marriage.
We're going to control the population.
So, in all the tombs, you have the brother and sister with the entwined tales of Fuxi and Nuo, all of the ancient Chinese tombs.
You can go to Wikipedia.
They firmly believe that these androgynous, amphibious, self fertilizing beings were the culture heroes.
And then we go to Peru, for instance.
Varacocha emerges.
From Lake Titicaca.
He is covered in fish scales at the Bennett Monolith.
His wife and sister and twin, Mama Cocha, is also amphibious and androgynous.
And there were temples all around Lake Titicaca that were documented before the Spanish destroyed them of her as like half human, half fishtailed, right?
So it's this story is carried over to Peru, and he creates humans.
All these beings are genetic engineers.
He creates the giants, destroys them in a flood, like Yahweh in the Bible, who's androgynous.
And you have the same story play out across the ocean.
So I'll just go, I'll give a couple more.
Sedna, Sedna in Inuit lore in Greenland of all places, is androgynous and amphibious.
And you go find this freaking stuff on Wikipedia.
It's not like I'm cherry picking the data.
And Sedna, Isis, and Kaibel, one of the oldest goddesses in Asia Minor.
Artem Pasa and so many others were served by cross dressing gay and transgender priests, like showing that, you know, that androgynous gender fluidity, if you will, this reverence for the androgyny.
And the oldest temples on earth display the double headed idol of the androgen.
Jericho, Ayin Ghazal, they just found one at Karahan Tepe.
Ered Ziffer is an Egyptian archaeologist.
In 2007, she wrote, The first Adam, Ayin Ghazal, and the two headed statues that were found at Ayin Ghazal.
In like 8,000 BC.
The moral of the story, she's saying that ancient people firmly believed that the first humans were androgynous and that the gods and the engineers were androgynous and they are displaying the iconography of the oldest cities on earth.
And then I told her, you know, they just found a double headed androgynous idol at Karahantepe.
They did?
They did.
Can you find this, a picture of this, Steve?
Hugh Newman probably has it in his.
Oh, yeah.
Hugh probably talked about this when he came in.
So it's a long winded way of saying, wow, isn't that.
A bunch of levels of specificity between cultures that had little or no contact describing the culture heroes that taught them the arts of civilization in that similar way.
You know, that catches my attention.
I don't have a freaking time machine.
Who knows?
Sagan saying, check it out.
Have you ever heard of John Marco Allegro?
Yes, the Dead Sea Scroll translator.
Yeah.
Yeah, he translated the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it seems like there might be a connection, but he basically came up with this crazy theory.
That well, he was reading and translating those Dead Sea Scrolls, first of all, like dedicated his life to that.
And essentially, the connection he made was with like he thought that with the way Jesus was born, this immaculate conception, right?
He connected that to mushrooms, they come from rain hits the earth and they just appear.
There's no fertilization that has to occur, right?
They just appear from mycelium, right?
So, it's kind of like the same way, like an immaculate conception.
So, he theorized by connecting. these Sumerian texts with the Hebrew texts that Jesus Christ was a psychedelic mushroom.
But one of the gaping holes in his reasoning there is he was connecting Sumerian roots of words to Hebrew.
And there is linguistically zero connection if you talk to classicists between those two languages.
So for what it's worth, you know, that's That's an interesting connection.
Oh, there's a double headed idol right there.
So I tell Aaron Zephyr that they said you should do a victory lap because the paper is brilliant.
He's like, I would propose the idea that the first humans revered by these cultures were androgynous.
You know, Aristophanes displays the myth of the ancient androgen cultures around the world.
Oh, I was going to say, Marsha Silverblatt, professor from Duke University, writes specifically that there is no doubt that Varicoch is androgynous.
All these, like, an academic will tell you, these people believed that these were real beings who were androgynous.
You could say, I don't believe it, it's a mythology, but the traits that I discussed are, an academic will tell you, yes, this is exactly what was being said there.
And the iconography is remarkably similar at all these places as well.
As if, you know, this is like Hancock.
I don't want to speak for him, right?
But he's like, even in the show, he's talking about Oannis, he's talking about Varicoccia, right?
He's beating around this bush of like, Androgynous fish gods showing up and being the wisdom bringers.
It's such a strange concept.
So he's like, oh, Jesus Christ, I'm so far on the limb, anyways.
I don't know his mind, but maybe he's like, I'll just keep it as like some lost wandering beings who teach civilization.
Because if I get into the fish gods, watch out.
But he's the one who kind of pointed me in that direction along with Sagan, you know?
So to your point about Allegro, I've read all this stuff and I think it was off base in some, but like mermaid literally means virgin of the sea, right?
Thoth, he born without a mother.
The pyramid texts in Egypt, Utterance 534, Neith, who is androgynous, oh, I'm sorry, Nephthys, her born without a vulva.
You know, basically, it's not a real world, what is it, housewives of Egypt dis.
It's like claiming that she is androgynous.
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She is a self fertilizer.
All these beings are described as having, they don't procreate in the same way as we do.
Excuse me.
So, anyways, see, it's like, oh, you believe in mermaids.
An idiot, you know what I mean?
Like that, that's how a skeptic would take this whole thing.
But I said, my boy Sagan is saying it's worthy of further investigation.
And you would look around these traditions, and I'm not a hyper diffusionist, I don't think there was contact between all these cultures.
How could they envision and come up with so similar, like brother and sister, husband and wife?
Let me, if you would, indulge me for a second the idea of the cripple god, right?
Androgynous Zeus, androgynous Hera throw androgynous Hephaestus, the iron worker of the gods, off Mount Olympus because he is so deformed.
He is limp, right?
So the doctors have looked into it like, was Hephaestus, did he have arsenic poisoning?
They're looking for a worldly way to describe it.
So then we go over to Japan, and the two brother and sister gods throw Ibisu.
I mean, they cast Ibisu out because he's crippled.
And he's a fish god.
And then you go to Egypt and you have Ptah and you have Osiris who always has his legs wrapped and mummified.
He cannot walk.
Plutarch tells us that he gave birth in a self fertilizing way to his next incarnation, who was Horus, whose literal name means like fish god of our earth or something like that.
Right.
I know, you know, I don't want to like go up Rain Man here, but when you, the scope of this, there are so many kind of hidden in plain sight aspects of this mystery.
I think it demands further investigation.
These are the gods who are the genetic engineers who created humans.
Because people like, I'm down with UAPs.
You know, Giorgio says, like, the idea is aliens didn't build the pyramids.
Who are the gods?
You know, that's what he talks about.
But it's like, how do I portray you in the most kind of hurtful and disrespectful manner?
You're a moron.
You think the alien creatures built the pyramids.
Blah, Instead of, no, who are the gods?
Salim Hassan, considered the greatest Egyptologist, Egyptian archaeologist, I should say, in history, wrote in 1949 in the Sphinx that the Egyptian people themselves firmly believe that there was a succession of great gods that ruled for tens of thousands of years.
Right?
So Salim Hassan says that.
Menetho, who we use the dynastic classification system starting with Menes in around 3100 BC, Economics use that and agree that he's got it right.
But the time of the gods and the time of the followers of Horus, which is 13,900 and 11,000 years, are considered mythological.
So, when I go to Egypt, I hang out with my boy Youssef Awan.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I've heard of him.
Yeah, Ben hangs out with him when he goes over there.
He's a super solid dude.
You know, you got to spread a lot of backsheets around.
You got to know people when you travel in Egypt.
His dad apparently worked with Edgar Cayce, right?
His dad was the great wisdom keeper, Hakim Awan, right?
So, what does he have to say?
What do the ancient traditions of Egypt have to say that there was a time of the gods that was older than?
That was like 10,000 years older and older, right?
Not in the main, you know.
So, we have this is a great racist argument thing.
There are people, there are Edgar Cayce people who think the pyramids were built in 10,000 BC.
Yusuf goes around and he shows how is that racist to say the pyramids were built in 10,000 BC?
Because somehow you're saying that the Egyptians couldn't have pulled it off themselves, but they were same, they were Egyptians still, just older Egyptians.
Yes, I know.
This is where it gets to.
They were still African people.
But you know, the Egyptians did incredible things, you know, like that we know of, like in Ptolemaic times, we know about Karnak, on and on and on.
All I'm saying, or anybody who would take an alternative approach, is that the traditions state that the Sphinx, the Great Pyramid Complex, and probably the Assyrian right near Abydos are from an earlier time.
I think Yusuf would say that too.
So that goes to this, like, and they found all these voids in the Great Pyramid, right?
Yes, Robert Schuck and Thomas Dubecki found a void.
Under the power of the Sphinx.
So it's like, I don't know if the freaking pyramid is 25, it's inconclusive in my estimation, but maybe it's 10,000 years old.
Who the f knows?
Right.
Let's get in there and see.
Let's do explorations because if there's something that is datable within the Great Pyramid, it would be contemporaneous with the date, either 2500 BC or 10,000 BC.
And like Robert Shock would say, the weathering pattern on the Sphinx is showing a much earlier antiquity, but that's just one piece of information.
You cannot extrapolate and say that proves that.
Egyptian civilization is 10,000 years old.
You need artifacts, carbon dating, in context.
So I'm like, you know, I'm always pitching shows at different networks, and I'm like, I dig the idea of excavating under the power of the Sphinx.
I like the search for the Lost Hall of Records idea.
Who knows?
I don't have a time machine.
Don't you think people would dig that?
You know what I mean?
Like, let's find out once and for all.
And then we could, like, banish this realm of pseudo archaeology that it's claimed that, like, There's no basis in this because a lot of the Atlantis myth is tied into survivors showing up in Egypt, these gods, these bizarre androgens.
Yeah.
That has a lot to do with this, the dating and the Atlantis myth.
So let's see.
Let's do it, you know?
Yeah.
No, Ben was telling me, talking to me about Yusuf and how his dad was like a really big part of this Casey movement.
Or I don't know when Edgar Cayce lived.
I don't know if it was possible for him's dad and Casey to know each other, but he was a part of this big Edgar Caycey sort of organization, right?
And they were, he was explaining to me that there's like a lot more underneath the Sphinx than we know, and a lot that hasn't been excavated or maybe has, but is being held secret by like Zahi Huas.
I was supposed to speak with Zahi and Mark Lerner at the Casey conference like three years ago, but it was so I didn't get to meet him to talk to him.
The whole thing is fascinating.
I'll say, I'll give a little background on Casey.
I've spoke at the, I just spoke there again at the ARE, and I love the Casey people.
They're not like glassy eyed zombies, they're like really cool.
They're empathic, they're all about healing.
Like, anyways, Casey was born in 1877 near Hopkinsville, Kentucky.
And he basically would go into this trans like state, trance like state, and give health readings for people.
Right, Crazy stuff.
Crazy stuff, right?
He apparently, like, someone told him to, something told him to sleep on a book or something.
So he literally put, like, took it literally, put the book under his pillow, apparently slept on top of a book or with a book under his head and then woke up and knew all the information in the book.
That was actually, I think it was his father was telling him to do a study.
So he slept on the book.
Right.
And then he just, every page, he would open the page and know it.
John Van Aken is like, runs the Casey Center there and he's got all the kinds of stories.
And I just did a bio on Edgar Cayce for Ancient Aliens last season.
It actually came out really good.
So the moral of the story is, That Casey would give these health readings.
He would claim to tap in, not him, but just like to tap into the Akashic records of all existence.
But then he started talking about past lifetimes, Atlantis, ancient Egypt.
And in his waking life, he was kind of like a conservative Christian.
And all he did was like read the Bible and stuff.
So he was really kind of bummed out.
But then he just went with it.
And all these readings came out 14,000 readings, 25 million words.
It's all documented at the Casey Foundation.
Right.
So Casey had the case, he said Atlantis existed in the middle of the Atlantic, founded in 210,000 BC.
He talks about three cataclysms in 5028 and the final younger Dryas one, 12,000 BC.
So he has this timeline of Atlantis.
And I just find it interesting because Casey got things wrong about future predictions for sure that he made.
And he got things right that he should never have known about.
So he's the perfect case study.
I'm not dogmatic, but I'm intrigued.
Jonas Salk said, Intuition points to where the thinking mind should look next, right?
And something about the Casey material rings true to me, and we'll see.
Like the idea of Egypt being older or stuff like that.
So, Hakeem Awan, I can imagine, was connected to the Casey universe.
But in a karmic sense, when you think in these terms, I think of like these beings keep orbiting each other in different lifetimes, right?
So, you have Zawi Huas, Mark Lerner, they were both supported by the Casey Foundation.
Hawass went to UPenn.
Lerner's education was paid at Chicago, I believe, an archaeological degree.
And Lerner wrote a book, his parents were Casey people, about kind of proving the Casey material through the lens of archaeology and mysticism.
But then he went against that and he became a mainstream Egyptologist.
But they still have this connection.
So they were on the other team, they play for the other team, but they're deeply connected to the Casey Foundation.
Right.
And then you have Shock.
Robert Shock, you have Hancock, Baval, you know, all these people that are kind of floating in this Atlantis milieu.
You know what I mean?
I'll throw myself in there, you know what I mean?
Just a little humble brag that I'm connected somehow to the Casey material and the people.
And I just think it's cool in this kind of karmic orbiting of different beings trying to unravel the story.
It's just, it tickles my fancy.
My favorite theory is Chris Dunn's Power Plant Theory about the pyramids.
I don't know if you're familiar with him.
He wrote the famous book, Giza Power Plant, and then he followed it up recently with his new book, The Tesla Connection.
And he has this theory that basically the Great Pyramid was this electron, a solid state electron harvester.
And that, I mean, he's the only guy who's like a legitimate engineer who has back engineered the Great Pyramid.
Like he's invested, he's looked through every single cavity and shaft inside the Great Pyramid.
And he like built a replica and reverse engineered a way for it to somehow create free energy.
And he has this theory, his new, his variation to the theory.
So he's evolved his original theory.
And his new theory essentially is that the Great Pyramids, the Great Pyramid and the two other pyramids, they sit on the Giza Plateau, which is a seismically active area there.
So there's like a lot of seismic activity there, and there has been through history.
And he hypothesizes that there was a hydraulic hammer device in the subterranean chamber that would hammer the earth and induce earthquakes, which would essentially bring up electrons through the igneous rock beneath the earth.
Up through the pyramid, which is built with igneous rock with the limestone and all the granite, and that how that the those all those electrons would somehow come through the king, the queen's chamber.
And there were shafts that were peripherally outside of the pyramid that they would pour.
What was it?
It was uh some sort of acid, yeah, yeah, sulfuric acid, maybe sulfuric acid.
I could be that up, but they poured it in those in those uh shafts, those.
Well, they were like, um, there were pits outside of the pyramids, and those pits fed the shafts that went into the queen's chamber, right?
Because they're, he believes that they're connected.
That when they sent that rover up those shafts and figured out there was that gate and brinks door there, then they busted through the door because the door had these little two electrodes that were coming through, which is why the would, why would there be little two, uh, copper electrodes coming out of that door that way up in the middle of that shaft in that pyramid that was supposedly a tomb?
And he thinks that the, um, it fed liquid that, that, Acid into those shafts, and those electrodes were there to like keep the right amount of liquid in those shafts.
And that would create this liquid or this hydrogen that would come up through the Queen's Chamber, the Grand Gallery, will create some sort of resonant frequency and create some sort of combustion in the King's Chamber.
And the two shafts that came out of the King's Chamber were like masers, right?
That somehow created some sort of a field of free energy that he believes powered that civilization that was there during that time.
Yeah, I'm friends with Chris.
He did a Hughes Dozen Origins conference in London.
And I got to tell you, he's funny, man.
Like behind the scenes, he's hilarious.
I love Chris.
Yeah, what a great sense of humor that dude has.
Michael Cremo, too, Forbidden History.
I think that's a book he wrote.
He's another, because people don't know the personalities of some of these guys, man.
I love Chris.
I think, yeah, it might have been a multi purpose use, right?
I think we all believe it wasn't a tomb, you know?
There's no adornment, there's no hieroglyphics.
You get into the Howard Vice 1834.
Seemingly forged cartouche and stuff like that.
He's looking for funding.
He's using dynamite.
He's a piece of shit.
You know?
Right.
So, and it's fine.
You know what I mean?
See, I know Zawi gets a lot of shit, but he pushes back because they've robbed antiquities from Egypt.
They portrayed the Egyptian people in really bad ways over time.
You know, science has.
So I dig where he's coming from.
I would just say, I think the archaeologists would agree with this.
I think the world government should.
Lay out about 20 billion a year and do archaeological digs around the world, especially at this point in history, and figure out our past because there may be clues within the past about ways to understand our true nature and understand what's going on in time and space, all those big questions.
But my point is let's excavate under the power of the Sphinx, let's get into the Great Pyramid as much as possible, let's excavate all around the Giza Plateau.
If you're interested in this, my boy Trevor Grassi.
William Brown spoke at the Casey Conference.
William bought a piece of land near the pyramid, and they do have like a three series video set on YouTube Beneath Gaza, no, the underworld of Gaza, for anybody listening who's into the story.
Of Giza?
Of Giza, yeah.
So they're looking for the Lost Hall records.
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They're not dogmatic, they're just following the traditions and stuff like that.
So the moral of the story is a lot of people don't believe the pyramid was a tomb, so let's find out.
Right.
Egyptologists that are coming up in Egypt that are taking Chris Dunn's stuff seriously and like looking more into it.
So it was like sort of like a new guard who's looking at that.
I'm like, we should look into this stuff that we don't understand.
Like, what's the like?
We're never going to get anywhere if we just keep accepting the narrative.
And totally.
And it's part of that cult like belief system.
It's like, this is a belief of my ideological enemy.
I'm not going to give anything to this.
It's even like, you know, I'm a stonemason with engineering experience.
And you look at like Golbeckli Tepe and Karahan Tepe, these Hugh probably talked about 12,000 year old sites.
It's not impossible technology, but it's like incredible work that requires like feeding this huge population and skilled masons and all kinds of organization through a civilization or a society of hunter gatherers.
You know, that's where Hancock gets like, was there a transfer of technology or at the same time, you know, because it springs up everywhere and the massive scale of it in Turkey now is just like incomprehensible how much of it is.
But the skeptics, because they don't want to yield, they don't want to give anything to Hancock, it's just like, yeah, you know.
There's some rudimentary stonework instead of embracing how fucked up it is and how paradigm shifting it is.
So I would like more honest, objective evaluation.
Like, let's take Hancock.
He starts off in the 90s or the late 80s.
He has his hypothesis there's a cataclysm and there's a lost civilization that's destroyed that goes around the world and teaches the arts of civilization.
And lo and behold, we find the evidence for his cataclysm.
Supported by an international team of scientists called the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis.
And if it wasn't considered a mythological and religious idea, it would have been accepted like 20 years ago.
If you look at the evidence, it's pretty incontrovertible in my estimation.
And then we find a super civilization in Turkey that's 12,000 years old.
That was one of the main things, arguments against Robert Shock.
I am saying the weathering indicates like a 10,000 year old date for the Great Pyramid, I mean, the Sphinx.
He sits with Mark Lerner and he gets scorn poured upon him.
There is no.
Contemporaneous, uh, advanced culture or civilization or temple sites around the world that meet a 10,000 year old date, and then it happens, right?
And I don't think the apologies came rolling in.
And the same thing with Hancock it's like you haven't, well, you know, I don't agree with your theory, but you predicted or you or what came to support your theory has been evidence for a cataclysm and civilization being vastly older, right?
You start there now for me to buy what you're selling.
I need to see more than just a thought from Plato that may or may not be true.
I need to see this evidence and that evidence.
But then you start on them and calling them racist or all this unhinged stuff.
Then you're losing the audience, right?
Then you're like, that's not cool.
You know what I mean?
And instead of like a scientist, once again, got to be like a cop.
You deal with a lot of weirdos, you take a lot of, but you get the respect of objectivity.
Science is apolitical.
We need these dates.
This is what we need to see.
I just say that, you know, because.
You know, Pete, well, and the shortcomings of the alternative space.
There's no pay review.
You got an audience who wants to believe that you can fool and grift off of.
There's a lot of flaws.
There's not a critical analysis of everybody's theories oftentimes.
But there are strengths too.
There's intuition.
There are a lot of people who are oriented towards metaphysics because a lot of people get into ancient mysteries because they are interested in spirituality and metaphysics.
Like Megan Fox, for instance, she liked my show, so she had me on her show, which is kind of Megan Fox, the actress?
Yeah, Megan.
She did a Legends of the Lost a couple of years ago.
She did a one season show.
And the last episode was about the Clovis Barry and giants and stuff like that.
So we were talking and we became friendly.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
She's really cool.
She's into Edgar Cayce, she's into metaphysics.
Wow.
So we communicated back and forth.
The first thing she said to me is, I don't want to incarnate again.
I don't want to tell stories out of school, but these are like glowing reviews of her as a person.
So I don't think she'll mind.
So she said, I don't want to incarnate anymore.
She said, I'm into the Casey material, I'm into ancient mysteries, but the rest of the world.
And it bores me to tears.
You know what I mean?
And I said, I agree.
It's like, what's our real nature?
She asked about ayahuasca.
I said, you don't want to incarnate again.
Go read Disappearance of the Universe by Gary Renard, right?
He's a non dualist teacher.
And it's about the false and temporary nature of the matrix and our true nature and stuff like that.
And it's hardcore and it's radical because that is what non dualism is.
It's like, you are not a body, you are a field of awareness outside of time and space with no concrete specificity like the false and temporary matrix.
I know it's mind bending.
Yeah.
But every mystic throughout human history says the same thing.
So I said, Read the book, Megan.
She reads it.
I mean, she sucked it up in no time Disappearance of the Universe by Gary and I.
She gets back to me and she's like, I'm in the gym the other day.
I'm looking in the mirror and I'm flipping the out and my image is disappearing.
And she's like, I understand intellectually everything that's being said, but look, I'm a mother of three kids.
I'm in my early 30s.
I got to, what is in the matrix when you go back in, you take the blue pill or the red pill?
She's like, I'm not ready for this.
And I said, I dig that.
And I'm not going to like push it.
I'm just going to say the seed has been planted and you'll probably come back around to this.
Because it's like when you hear the truth, it's like a Zen koan, right?
What's the sound of one hand clapping?
That's not a question to be answered.
It is a question to dissolve the questioner, the false egoic self.
So her appearances are disappearing, right?
And that she's having the Zen koan effect.
Like, you ever see Jim Carrey talk?
In a dissociative way about his movie character, like Jim, he's like he's starting to move towards enlightenment, so he's talking about Jim Carrey, the separate being, as if it's a movie character, right?
And I've studied my brother and I studied with like an enlightened spiritual teacher for 20 years, like, and you're like, what is that, liberated from fear in this blissful state?
You're like, how do I get there, you know?
And the point is that he encourages almost a dissociative uh orientation around your movie character, don't take yourself too seriously, you have karma to play out.
Your true nature is benevolent anyway.
So, you know, if you're really in alignment, you'll do nothing but good deeds anyways.
It's only the twisted whispers of the ego that, you know, leads you down the wrong path.
So, Jim Carrey talks about this like dissociative, in a dissociative way about his movie character.
It's really interesting.
And people are like, oh, he's a fucking victim of MKUltra or whatever.
It's like, no, he's starting to move towards enlightenment.
And that's what happens.
Like, and these are the lifetimes where you deal with all the shit.
You deal with all this trauma, you reflect, you forgive, and then next time you cut, you have to show up in the matrix.
Your parents are like mystics or whatever.
You've undone so much, and then you flip the switch like Eckhart Tolle, right?
Like he came into this life.
You're like, power, and now I can't fucking focus, you know.
But he came into this life ready to be switched on or switched off, I should say.
And that's what the mystics say that you undo, you keep coming back to the matrix until you break the cycle of reincarnation, but you undo all that is false about you.
And that's the book Megan read.
It's just like, you undo.
What's the name of that book?
The Disappearance of the Universe by Gary Renard.
But it's not like The Course in Miracles is this kind of new, channeled, non dualistic teaching.
Which is interesting, but the Advaita Vedanta, the Rebu Gita, the Ashtavakra Gita, all these texts throughout history, the teachings of Lao Tzu, Ramana Maharshi, even Jesus in the Nagamati scrolls, the Apocryphon of John, he comes to John and he speaks about the inexpressible one, the field of existence, in completely non dualistic ways.
Go read it.
He's like an Eastern mystic, you know, not the Jesus of kind of the evangelical movement.
He's been transformed.
The Gospel of Thomas, who Elaine Pagels talked about, the shortest passage is be passer by.
Leave everybody alone.
Do not try to change anything.
Bless, forgive, turn the cheek.
You are making it real by conflict and judgment.
You are experiencing a false and temporary, and you can make whatever you want about the sojourn into time and space, right?
People have different ideas.
God made man so man could become God.
You know, these theories of like, oh, God wouldn't know what it was like to like.
And turn his ankle and see a sunset, whatever.
You know what I mean?
And it's not like a white dude in the throne.
The God is the field, the field that you are.
That's what the mystics say.
The point is, I think it's worthwhile pointing to our eternal nature and then make of it what you want because we could talk intellectually about this all day long, but all these teachings and ceremonies are geared towards the experience, the literal, visceral experience of what you already are.
So when you break through and you.
You're in the zone of the one, you're in the field.
All doubt is cast away.
You don't even want to describe it.
You don't even want to think.
It's a realm without thought and time.
It's crazy and it's awe inspiring and enthralling.
So I could talk shit all day, but it's like, what can you do in your life to get you back to your real nature?
And the mystics would say, forgive.
Don't do it out of phony goodness.
You're already perfect.
So I don't want anything out.
I don't want anything transactional out of you.
And manipulate you to get an extra hit.
I don't want to look for my soulmate on Tinder.
You know what I mean?
I want to treat people for what they are, which is divine and forgive.
And what I don't, I'm being a fraud and a piece of shit, you know, and a hypocrite.
And you don't condemn yourself, though.
You're like, you kind of laugh at your movie character.
Mm hmm.
Totally.
So I know I went on a long rant there, but, you know, that's where I'm coming from.
I think that's a kind of a cool thing.
That seems to be the consensus with people who experiment with psychedelics.
There's a guy who I had on the show.
About a year ago, named Andrew Gallimore.
I don't know if you heard of him.
Yeah, he's doing this study called DMTX out of Tokyo, where he's putting people on extended state DMT trips.
And they're essentially trying to map the DMT realm, right?
And figure out what's going on and try to build some sort of consensus or some coherence of what people are experiencing when they're on these things like ayahuasca and DMT and what's going on.
Because there's a lot of very similar things.
It's not just like everyone's having their own unique experience.
A lot of people are seeing and reporting the same exact.
Sort of things like entities and patterns and colors.
And, you know, he is a neurobiologist.
And what he seems to believe is that there's this, there's more of a reality there.
And what our brain is, is essentially like a filter.
And our brain is here to exist evolutionarily to filter out everything there so that we can only sense what we need to survive and to evolve and to reproduce.
And what happens when you're ingesting these substances and integrating with them is you're activating more of your brain so you can experience more of what's already there.
Like reality, if we were to have.
Our entire brain engaged and somehow be turned on, it would be something that's so overwhelming for us, we might just dissolve.
Maybe we can only handle like a couple hours or 10 minutes of this, but it seems like there's definitely something there.
And when you hear people talk about their experiences with these drugs and tapping into this other realm or whatever it is, they seem to talk about these kinds of things.
Absolutely.
I've experienced that.
A mystic would also say you're not going to experience all your lifetimes at once because it would be overload.
You'd have a nervous breakdown, but you can't, you know.
Why are there some psychics, you know, there's some artists and grifters out there, but there's some psychics whose game is pretty tight who have a good track record, right?
So it's like, what are they doing tapping into the past and the future?
It's because, you know, Einstein would say it's a false construct in a false world for whatever purpose.
It could be the experience, you know, one of the shamans that I've studied with and did ceremonies with, he says, like, there's a beauty in forgetting.
It's like when you re realize, you know, you're in this blissful state of eternity and like it's incomprehensible, but it's almost kind of a cool game to forget because when you remember what you really are, it's like so awe inspiring, it's beyond comprehension.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
I thought I was this hopeless piece of, but I'm this glorious divine being that has to do nothing to be what I already am.
Right.
So I don't know about the nature of that.
I'll just say that on a worldly level, it's worth looking into psychedelics.
Are they letting us go into other dimensions?
Are they showing us our true nature?
You have Johns Hopkins just built like a $17 million research facility.
End stage cancer patients are losing the fear of death, right?
It's like this is the shit that we need in our society.
We don't want to demonize it.
That's why Ollie Hancock again, he's always like pointing to psychedelics, and it's hard, man.
Have you ever done ayahuasca?
I've never done ayahuasca, just DMD.
It's like stop the ride, I want to get off.
It's really rough.
Yeah, no, it seems.
Terrifying terrifying yeah, like I imagine, like I always thought well, like from the descriptions i've heard of it, it sounds like you're literally going to hell and facing demons uh, pretty much the demons, your own.
Well the, you know the.
There's third parties in the room too.
That's another strange thing.
Like the, the spirit, like if you do ketamine infusions, which are very helpful for like um yeah yeah, intractable depression.
Sure, there isn't a third party and there isn't a spirit being there, but ayahuasca they call it like Grandmother, it's like this super computer intelligence knows exactly what you need and will kick you in the balls.
You know what I mean.
Like I think it's like it or she or whatever, is seeing that there's a limited window to get to you, right?
Because most people run from these things.
Yeah.
And it's like, this is what you need to see.
You want to heal, you got to face this darkness.
You got to face the ugliness in your subconscious that hasn't been healed, that's been calcified with trauma and false beliefs and self hatred.
And it's a deep dive.
But then the liberation, then you're like, it's unicorns and rainbows out the other end.
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Oftentimes, you're like, oh my God.
I feel liberated.
I feel a weight.
I feel like my soul's come back to me, you know, which is cool.
But it takes some sack to get in there and do it.
You know what I mean?
And it takes, like, it's not a weekend seminar that's going to heal your problems.
It's the little changes you take every day, every day.
Like, you catch yourself, oh, man, I'm back on Twitter.
I'm back on Facebook.
I feel like I'm worried.
I'm filled with fear.
I'm filled with survival concerns.
I'm filled with emptiness and heartbreak and depression.
And that's fine, man.
Everybody, because we're in an unnatural state in this configuration as a temporary movie character that dies eventually and gets sick and all this crazy shit.
We are.
Plagued with psychological difficulties.
So have empathy for people.
And this is another thing you know, people think they're like good online and they're helping and they're educating and they're fixing.
And just like the vision I had, it's just like you're just blowing smoke up each other's ass.
Nothing good is happening.
If you really want to be helpful, Lao Tzu says it look at all that is dark and unhealed within yourself.
Ramana Maharshi, the greatest social activist in human history, does nothing compared to the seeker who forgives, who Evaluates their own weaknesses and liberates themselves through forgiveness.
And I found that go work at the homeless shelter.
You know what I mean?
Literally, there's got to be a family in your neighborhood that would be thrilled if you showed up with a freaking bag of groceries every week.
Right.
Take in, and this isn't a diss, but see where you're a coke head looking for another hit on social media versus true empathy.
Like look somebody in the eye and do something kind for them.
That's a good, and that's not a judgment because I've been in the Cokehead zone, you know?
Yeah.
So, and then when I act out of empathy, you know, we, a couple buddies of mine, we call the Hilltown helpers.
We live in the Hilltowns.
I'm always like shoveling off old ladies' roofs and shit like that.
You know what I mean?
Like, really, you know, some old lady hasn't seen anyone in a while and you sit down and you talk to her and you're kind to her and you do, and she's like, oh, let me pay you.
And it's like, no, no, that's not what this is about, you know?
And it's those acts of empathy that really have an impact, you know?
Oh, for sure.
When you look back at your life review, you're going to be.
Pissed if you didn't do more and not more in a fake way, more in a loving, empathic way.
And that's true.
You can say that's this dude is like, you know, hawking some new age philosophy.
But I'm telling you, man, it's you can even feel it.
You don't even have to believe it.
You know, when you're truly kind, right?
You know, yeah, man.
Yeah, I think you're spot on with that.
What other kind of stuff are you looking into that are that you're working on?
Like, are you writing any new books?
Are you are you working on any new shows?
We got a pitch.
Oh, yeah, I want to give a tip of the hat.
If you dig this fish god story, Paul Anthony Wallace is a friend of mine and he wrote the Eden series.
Paul, he's Australian, he's an awesome dude.
He's a former archdeacon in the Anglican church for 32 years.
That's one level below Bishop.
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He left the church and he's writing about how in these ancient documents and ancestral narratives, there are these bizarre, androgynous, and genetic engineers that I talk about that are in the Old Testament.
Yahweh has a consort called Asherah.
They're androgens, right?
The first Adam in the Bible is androgynous.
And then Eve is made through genetic engineering.
That's that parable there.
Anyways, he tells us this wonderful story throughout human history.
He's half Ghanese, I think he's like half Welsh or English, and he's connected to all the African ancestral tales that tell the same story that I've been sharing about Varacocha and Fushi.
It's utterly fascinating.
And he's a really solid dude on top of that.
I mean, I'm sure you'll have him on at some point, but the Eden series is highly acclaimed.
It's like this new version of the ancient astronaut theory almost.
Oh, wow.
But he's brilliant.
I can't talk his game up.
So, anyways, we're kind of collaborating and we get a pitch into one of the networks right now as a search for lost records investigation of the ancient gods that I've talked about here type of show.
You know, go to Ed Fu and look at the Lost Hall records.
And I'm also writing a book about polydactylism in the ancient world, extra digits, right?
Six fingers, six toes.
Yeah.
It's associated with the supernatural, the divine, and giants.
The giant of Gath has six fingers and six toes.
In Australia, you have rock art everywhere of giant feet with six toes.
I was just touring with Hugh in Malta.
We go to the Hypogeum in Malta, considered one of the underground temples, once thought to be one of the oldest temples on earth before they found Gobekli Tepe.
They, through construction building in like 1906 or something, they broke through to it.
You go to room 20, there's an enormous handprint with six fingers there.
You go out to the American Southwest, there are giant hands and feet with extra digits.
You go to North Carolina, there's Judicolor Rock.
Where the Cherokee talk about the legend of Judicola, and there's a seven fingered handprint.
The greatest hero of the Ulster cycle in Ireland, in the Tane, the English Iliad, has seven fingers and seven toes in the Oxford translation.
Just throw out a couple more.
You go to Botswana, Matt Singh emerges from the underworld with humans and animals, and there's a giant six toed footprint there or engraving there.
And then you go to Karabati, and on the island, There are giant, almost beyond belief, six toed footprints that the old men told anthropologist I.G. Turbert in 1949 about.
They are attributed to the giants.
So the world is littered with giant hands and giant feet associated with these giants that the indigenous people tell us about.
So that's another, like, I know it's, yeah, here you go.
Like, see the giant foot and newspaper rock?
On the left is Chaco Canyon.
On the right is newspaper rock in Utah.
Look at that, you know.
And there's this legend about, I told you.
Is that picture of that person's feet real with like seven toes?
Yes, it's called polydactyly.
Yeah, no, I met a woman who said that she was born with an extra finger the other day.
She was from like Haiti or something.
It's a rare genetic condition.
And some people are born with extra digits.
It's pretty common in some like the Caribbean islands.
Exactly.
But it's associated with giants.
It's associated with the supernatural.
The sorcerers, exorcists, and temple priests of Samaria were obsessed with polydactylism.
The Summa Ibzu is a series of 2800 tetralogical omens, and they talk obsessively about what it means to have six fingers born on one hand, six on the other.
The giant of Gath, once again, has six fingers and six toes, and there is no genetic condition that associates polydactylism with gigantism.
So it's like, yeah, so it's like, I get that if some freakazoid has a bunch of extra digits in ancient culture, might say, Oh, this dude's a god or whatever, yeah, but it's Everywhere associated with literal giant rock art of hands and feet.
It's wild in cultures that had no connection.
You go out to Baja California, El Carmen Cave, Google that.
Look at that giant footprint of Ping Yan.
I'll say this Professor Paul Tasson in Australia, I think the University of Kimberley, a couple of years ago, there was this story that went around the world that like the world's oldest ancient narrative found in Australia.
This aboriginal super ancient narrative.
It was the Pleiades.
It was the serpent, but it was also giant feet with six digits, right?
So, Professor Tasson actually wrote a paper about how he found these examples of giant hands and feet with extra digits, like in all these cultures around the world.
And if you look at it, if you go to Marawanga, Marawanga, Professor Tasson, T A C O N, giant footprints, six toes.
If you Google that, You'll get.
What is the conventional explanation for these footprints?
Like that one right there on that rock that guy's standing next to, the Ping Yan one.
It could be that, you know, it's like, well, that's 200 million years ago in granite, so I don't think a giant stepped in it.
It could be the indigenous people carved it.
Yeah.
But then it raises its own kind of mystery because, yeah, if you could throw up Marawanga, Australia, Six toed footprints.
I know that's a lot.
And we'll see if we get a picture of that.
The moral of the story is the androgyny that I spoke of and the polydactylism are displayed in the iconography of the oldest cities on earth Ayin Ghazal, Jericho, and they just found a 16 fingered statue at Karahontepe.
Me, Andrew Collins, and Hugh Newman did an episode for Ancient Islands about it, where say what you want, but these people revered this trait, right?
So, Say Birch is another place that was just unearthed that's super ancient in Turkey.
And the dude's holding up his hand, he has six fingers.
And the professor who did the excavation, Karul from Istanbul University, said, What do you say?
The statues of the humanoids always have extra digits or a strange number of digits, never five.
So the thing I'm talking about is being unearthed in real time at the oldest sites on the planet androgyny, polydactylism.
Make of it what you want.
I'm just like, the story is going, has a thread through the oldest iconography in human history.
And it continues, like Malta, all these places.
Yeah, yeah, six digits.
Yeah, once again, I don't know, Marawanga?
Is it rejecting that?
Do you think that these giants were responsible for some of the megalithic structures around the world?
See, that's the tradition.
So, like, Pizarro.
And other Spanish explorers, right?
They show up at Saxihuaman in Peru.
They show up at like Titicaca and all the ruins there.
And the Spanish are like, oh, these are built by demons.
They don't know what to make of it.
They ask the Inca, they ask Pizarro, and they specifically said they were built by the Hawaris, the giants, after or before an age of darkness and cataclysm, essentially.
So that's what we're told.
Because if I say, you know, I don't know if you could build that, you know, like, With the tools of the time.
That's not a diss against the Aymara or the Inca people.
Then I'm right out of the gate, like I'm some racist, you know.
But then again, you know, go to Malta, it's the same story.
They're like freaking Sicilian farmers.
But the point is that the indigenous people have all these myths and legends about giants, and Stonehenge is the same way.
And oh, the Neolithic Britons, they're going to be pissed at me if I said giants built Stonehenge, you know.
It's just like, I don't want to go round and round with that.
But the point is, these traditions are the things that's interesting, not my theorizing, right?
Absolutely.
Does it mean?
You know, I don't know.
Is it pure fantasy?
These people who we attribute having the wherewithal to do these amazing things are telling us these kind of wild stories.
So you can't have it both ways.
It's like, or at least be open to the idea that there's more going on.
Yeah, man.
Absolutely.
What is that one on the bottom with all the holes in the ground?
You see the one with the circular carvings in the ground?
That's Pueblo Benito.
That's Akiva in Colorado.
And that's where the footprints going up the wall are.
Yeah, the six-digit hand.
This is in Colorado?
That's in Colorado.
Wow.
So go to Palenque, and there's hands and feet all over the iconography there.
Go to Peru, go to, you know, so many places are.
And it's not just because we know it's a region at a condition.
It's just not associated with like some.
Gigantism.
Gigantism.
It's literally associated with the supernatural, the divine, the malevolent, and giants.
And, you know, to any.
You know, and I hate, I've never analyzed a 10 foot skeleton.
I, you know, I know.
Why are skeptics skeptical about the idea of giants?
I just like, how can all these traditions exist?
How can there be giant hands and feet associated?
Not just, they don't stand alone, they're associated with giants.
And the legends are, excuse me, the Cherokee, Judicale in North Carolina, Matsing in Botswana, on and on and on.
The Australian Aborigines, they have the same stories of malevolent, extra digited giants like the Native American tribes do in the Southwest.
It's like, I'm not like cherry picking and trying to make an argument.
I'm just saying, how can it be that there is no story there?
I don't know.
Right.
I don't have a time machine, but it's pretty interesting.
I'm just curious, like, what, I wonder what the academic consensus is on that and, like, how do they try to explain it?
I actually, my book is like heavily dependent on academic sources.
Like, 90% of it is academic excavation reports, academic analysis.
Dr. Richard Barnett wrote a paper in 1986 about polydactylism.
He says the academic world has given this.
Subject zero attention.
And he was right.
He's the first one to piece together like, holy, there's this polydactylism everywhere in the ancient world, right?
So there were a lot of academics who took on, like Patricia Crown wrote in 2016 about how in Colorado at Chaco Canyon, the natives revered polydactylism extra digits.
So there's like an article about that.
Other, Warrable and other academics wrote about Palenque and Mesoamerican.
Reverence for polydactylism.
They call it divine polydactyly.
So you have different academics in isolated areas talking about it.
And I understand the skepticism, but I would like to know just like we had Professor Todd Dissertel, evolutionary biologist, on our first show.
And I love Todd, he's great.
And I asked him, like, how can, you know, what's the anthropological explanation for skull elongation all around the world between cultures that had no contact?
It's the most bizarre and specific thing to do.
Are they emulating something?
You know, what's going on?
And, you know, he didn't have, he's just like, I don't know how to explain it essentially.
And I agree.
It's just like these levels of specificity by cultures that had no kind of like, when you have a kid, would you elongate a little baby Timmy's skull?
It is like so bizarre and so crazy.
It goes back at least 10,000 years to China.
Right.
But you have it like Choctaw, a bunch of Native American tribes did it.
Crazy, you know what I mean?
So, that's the kind of stuff where if it is dismissed as like garbage or lunacy by the academics or the pseudo skeptics, people push back and they feel like these ideas aren't getting a fair shake.
And then they start to believe in conspiracies and then they're down some fing TikTok rabbit hole where the professionals should say, there's a real mystery there.
I'm not going to jump to conclusions.
This is what I need to see to prove the case.
But that is very interesting.
Common sense would tell you.
The level of specificity and the ubiquitous nature of these things is telling you that it's worthy of further investigation.
So I'm trying to bridge that gap.
It's just like, take your foot off the brake a little.
I mean, put your foot on the brake a little, chill out, and address this as it's an interesting puzzle to solve, not a belief system of your ideological enemy.
You know what I mean?
Which is completely different.
Totally, man.
Well, Jim, thank you for doing this, man.
This has been a fascinating conversation.
Super fun to talk to you about this stuff.
I love learning about this crap.
You and Hugh are.
I think you guys are really onto something with what you guys are doing and teaming up on this work.
It's fascinating shit.
That's great, man.
Just being open to these seemingly bizarre ideas is really cool.
I think that's why your platform is so popular.
And it's just like people dig it.
And I hope, you know, and I appreciate, like, especially being dudes, you know, to give permission to men to talk about difficulties, talk about depression, talk about empathy, you know, shit like that, right?
It's really important to embody a contradiction, you know, be the best of what a man is.
It's not like a tough guy getting drunk at a bar and beating the shit out of someone.
It's about like empathy and concern.
And I really, that's the best part of it that you're, we're in the same zone there.
And I really dig that.
I appreciate it.
Thank you, man.
And where can people find more of your work or get in touch with you?
I'm in the witness protection program at fucking Ancient Mysteries.
I'm such a loser.
I got like the tech skills of an Amish preacher.
I know.
I got to pick up my game.
I'm on like Facebook.
It's a picture of me and my brother at Roanoke when we're filming The Lost Colony of Roanoke.
So I'm like, Doing this, and my brother got hammers in his hand, and I got a couple dead accounts because I get freaking locked out of them.
But I'll say at Hugh's site, megalithomania.uk, there's a Jim Vieira section of videos.
I think that's the best place.
Okay.
And Hugh's always like, if I'm doing tours with Hugh or we're going to do a show or something, he'll post there too.
So I talk about all this shit Edgar Cayce, Fish Guards, Metaphysical Secrets of the Ancients.
There's all videos there if people dig any of this stuff.
Oh, you can reach out to Facebook and, you know, say hi or anything like that.
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Okay.
But, you know, I. One day I'll like get a tech assistant or whatever, but no, it's fine because I just like putting content out there.
Absolutely.
I don't want to push away prosperity, but I don't really want to try to overly monetize any of this.
I just think it's cool and it's interesting.
And I like that I can interface with both sides of the aisle, if you will.
Because I got some type friends who are like skeptics and they're always shitting on me and shitting on Atlantis and busting my balls, but I love them.