Jack Sarfatti challenges aerospace scientists on UFO propulsion, alleging anti-gravity warp drives utilize a modified coupling constant to bypass energy limits. He claims mainstream physicists suppress this truth due to financial motives and political bias against figures like Donald Trump, while asserting that entities like the CIA actively obstruct his work despite Russian intelligence recognizing his validity. Sarfatti further links paranormal experiences to brain anomalies, defends the Bohemian Grove as patriotic, and envisions conscious AI, aiming to be remembered as the "Super Jew" who solved time travel and low-energy warp drives. [Automatically generated summary]
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Government Gangs Fighting00:02:14
You were trying to explain to me last night when I was asking you about the Grush testimonies and all the stuff that he was saying.
And I was explaining to you that I was highly skeptical of the whole thing.
The fact that they made it this big dog and pony show on national television.
And, you know, I always question it.
When the government starts to get behind it, I always question motives and what's going on.
Okay, first, when they say the government, there is no such thing anymore.
There's no government.
We're in a state of chaos.
The government is, you know, what balkanization means.
You know, like you're the Slavic player.
There are different.
What you see right now happening, you know, with the extreme Democrats are trying to put in jail all the guys around Trump, you know, that's like civil war.
That's a civil war.
We're in a civil war, except, you know, not shooting each other, but they're trying to stop, they're interfering in the election.
It's like a political war.
Well, but it's getting real bad.
I mean, they're trying to put, this has never happened in the United States.
Like, it's like a banana republic now.
Yes.
You know, it's like, I mean, where do they do?
You know, yeah, Putin might do this, right?
Putin just killed, oh, who's the guy, Grigosian?
The one guy, the only thing you haven't done, I'm yeah, he just has not been crashed.
Donald Trump's airplane has not been shot down yet, right?
But maybe that's coming, you know.
I wouldn't be surprised, would you?
Right, right.
So, no, I honestly wouldn't be surprised.
So, there's no difference between what's happening in Russia with Putin and what's happening in the United States.
It's the same thing, it's organized crime all over the place.
What it is, it's like the mafia, it's like different gangs are fighting each other.
Russian mafia against the Italian.
When you talk about these different gangs, you're talking about different factions of the government.
And they're all in the government now.
Yes, they're all in the government now.
We don't have a legitimate government anymore.
So that's what you're talking about when you say there's a war going on inside the intelligence community.
Yeah, right now there are guys.
There are guys.
Okay, there's Trump derangements there.
There's Sarfati derangements there.
I have people in the CIA or ex-CIA who are supporting what I'm doing.
And then I have guys who are trying to destroy me.
If I get hit by a car.
Who's trying to destroy you?
Factions Inside The State00:03:21
Christopher Mellon's trying to destroy me.
Why?
That's a good question.
Why would he want to?
What would his motive be?
Because we got into a fight over Donald Trump.
You and Christopher Mellon did?
Yeah.
We were getting along fine.
He was going to come up to.
We were going to do a thing at the Bohemian Grove on UFOs.
He was going to come.
You and him were going to go to Bohemian Grove?
I invited him.
We were going to have a thing there, okay?
We should have known this podcast, the Bohemian Grove.
That would have been great.
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, the guy.
Can we get the big owl statue?
Is the big statue still there?
Yeah, of course.
Oh, like the owl?
Yeah, that was still there.
But they'll never let me back now.
But, you know, what the hell do I care?
But it's true.
No, there was this guy, Don Rich, who's now died.
Don Rich was one of the top members of the Bohemian Grove.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
Let me tell you about Don Rich.
Just passed away about A year ago.
Yeah, just about a little more than a year.
No, a year and a half ago, he passed away.
Don Rich, okay, Don Rich was born in Idaho, cowboy.
He's half Indian, half Apache.
And cowboy, his grandfather was a Texas Ranger.
Yeah, he was a real cowboy.
Grew up on a ranch in Idaho.
And his father was a friend of Kenneth Arnold.
Worked for Kenneth Arnold, who was a big ranch.
Kenneth Arnold is the pilot.
Who in 1947 first saw the flying discs?
Yes.
So Don was a little boy, like four or five years old, but was there when Kenneth Arnold came back and had just seen the flying saucers.
Don heard Kenneth Arnold telling his father about what had just happened, what he just saw.
So right there at the beginning, right?
There's, okay.
Then there's some other stuff with flying saucers.
So, of course, Don Rich was into flying saucers from the very beginning because he went to Kenneth Arnold.
His father worked for Kenneth Arnold.
Okay, so Don, about my age, maybe two years younger than me, he would have been about 82 now.
So Don goes into the Marines and becomes a tank commander, sees some action, I guess, I don't know, in South America, maybe when they were, I forget where it was.
Not Grenada, I think it was something else.
And he gets out of the Marines in the 60s.
Yeah, it must have been, was he in Vietnam?
I don't know.
But he's an artist, he's a sculptor.
So Don has a big forge, you know, forge for steel, he does massive steel sculptures, you know, stuff.
And he had a forge in Oakland, famous thing.
And he gets, he's quite successful.
He worked with Bufano, you know, a bunch of famous, he got involved with all these famous people and he started teaching, of course, this is the Art Institute here, started teaching at the Art Institute.
So it's like the late 60s.
Don Rich And Harry Wolf00:04:13
And then this guy, who I think is probably connected with Chipman, it wasn't Chipman, but this guy, Colonel Harry Wolfe, which may not be his real name, this guy comes up one day, knocks on the door around 1969.
And Don's brother, who's now a colonel in the Marines, his brother, he went in because his older brother was in the Marines.
And he said, Semper 5, Colonel Harry Wolfe, he said, listen, we need you to.
do some work for us.
He's CIA.
Well, you know, CIA.
And his job is, now if he does this for a couple of years, he has a part-time, he's a courier, what's called a courier.
They give him stuff where he has to, you know, handcuff it to himself, gets on airplanes, and he has to deliver things, small packages.
And he's delivering stuff to the, he said, at one time went to China, Shanghai even.
But the French intelligence, the bit of the MI6, the Australians, he was going all over with this stuff.
And they were, now we were talking about Phil, they were the parts from Roswell Crash, parts from the Roswell Crash saucer that Phil Corso talks about when trying to reverse engineer all that stuff.
Right.
So Don is, you know, he's involved in it.
And then at one point, Harry Wolf, see, this is this, Harry Wolf gives, he says, hey, keep this for me.
By the way, there was some LSD stuff involved here, but I don't want to get into it because I don't know fully what was really going on.
Don was never clear about it.
But apparently, Don Wolf, yeah, Don, this guy, Harry Wolf, was also involved with MKUltra.
That's what it was.
They were doing LSD experiments on people and stuff like that.
Yeah, he was involved.
So that means he had to be involved with Chipman, too, back then.
This is before I knew Chipman.
I know Chipman for.
All right.
But this is all a CIA operation, or whatever the.
Okay.
And so.
So, Harry Wolf gives him this army duffel bag, like AAF, 19, you know, Roswell on it, old, you know.
And Harry says, Don't look in this.
I'll be back in a week to get it.
So, of course, he opens it up, right?
In it.
If you read, of course, this is about the strut, like the aluminum strut with the symbols, like the Egyptian hieroglyph symbols on it.
Yeah.
It's there.
It's there.
He has it in his hand, my friend.
Wow.
Okay.
Okay.
This is.
I'll show you a photo of me and Don.
And he's got it, and he's has a Ford.
He's a settling torch.
He's got everything.
And he tries.
He can't do it.
It's like it resists any kind of thing.
Except sometimes you could crumble, and it restores.
And it hardly weighs anything.
It's like it's anti gravity almost.
It starts almost floating.
Wow.
So he's telling me all this.
I got other witnesses, not just me, Kim and this other guy, Larry Lemke, who works for Jacques Valet and Gary Nolan.
You know who Gary Nolan is?
Of course.
You know, Larry works with me.
They analyze these materials, right?
No, this is back in 1968.
This is Don Rich telling me this is way before any of this stuff now.
Okay.
It's back in 1968, 1969.
And Harry Wolf comes and takes it back.
Okay.
So now, all this stuff, by the time I am content, I, how did I meet, oh yeah.
So Don Rich's nephew named Will Eroken, who actually works, I think, for DreamWorks, for Spielberg or something like that.
He does, you know, computer animation this kid he's young he uh his nephew this is about six years ago seven years ago forget exactly walks into cafe atrius me and kim you know give me a bit and says hey i got you guys got to meet my uncle because he knows about you and he's into flying saucers and all this stuff and he's very big at bohemian grove he wants to you guys take you into the bohemian so that's how we met that's how we met and don
Epstein Connections Revealed00:06:01
He had a big library.
He read everything.
He knew this stuff was real.
Don, at this point, they had a memorial.
I was at the memorial when he died at Bohemian Grove.
All the top guys think highly of him.
Don was one of the six guys who run the Grove.
They have a private police force and stuff like that.
Make sure everything is operating.
Properly.
He didn't like to go to the City Club, he liked to go up to the Grove.
So we would go up to the Grove with him all the time.
You know, hang out with him he had.
They had all these different camps.
Next door was Clint Eastwood's camp okay, and then we have a and his camp, you know, and there's all these camps.
Oh, there's guns camp where Henry Kissinger and Bloomberg yeah, these guys.
I heard Robert Gates.
Robert Gates giving a lecture up there on the lake, there by the big statue, you know, and the lake and Robert Gates.
This is back like 2017 or something like that.
I don't know if Trump was president And Gates is talking.
Somebody asked about Joe Biden.
You're talking about Bill Gates?
No, Robert Gates, who was Secretary of Defense.
Oh.
Robert Gates, he was the Secretary of Defense.
I've gotten to who.
Not Bill Gates.
Although Bill Gates would go there.
Oh, I'm sure.
Yeah.
But now, Robert Gates, somebody asked him a question about what do you think of Joe Biden?
Basically, Robert Gates says, Joe Biden's as dumb as a rock.
I know rocks that are smarter than Joe Biden.
He says, every foreign policy decision, position that Joe Biden has.
Has turned out to be a disaster.
This is back before, nobody was thinking Joe Biden as president.
And this supports all, and I heard Gates say this.
And then this supports when Trump says that when he spoke to Teddy Kennedy, this is back when, you know, Trump was a Democrat, was, you know, hanging out with him.
Right, right.
He knew the Clintons, he went to a wedding.
In fact, Trump's daughter and Chelsea's daughter.
Good friends with Jeffrey Epstein?
No, oh no, that's bullshit.
Okay, that's not bullshit.
No, no, I know exactly what it is.
Okay, don't tell me because I know better than you.
I have better interests.
I know a lot about Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump.
I've done a lot of research on that.
No, yeah, but I know too.
What I know is this.
Here's what I don't know.
Donald Trump never went to the island.
Clinton went to the island.
Jeffrey Epstein was a member of the Mar a Lago club, as are a thousand people, okay?
And then Jeffrey Epstein started hitting on a 15 year old daughter of the guy, one of the guys who works at the club, the gardener or something like that.
And as soon as Trump found that out, he kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of.
Yeah, he used to hang out with everybody, but so did the Clintons, so did everybody.
Right, everybody did, right?
Yeah, everybody did.
But I don't think there's any proof that Trump ever went to the island.
Trump was probably more connected to Epstein than anybody else.
If it was, it was financial stuff.
I don't think it was sex.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't sex.
I don't know about that.
I don't think there's any evidence of that with Trump doing that.
But I think.
It wasn't with the.
I know Trump has been to his townhouse in New York a number of times.
Yeah, of course, but they all were.
They all were, of course.
Yes, Clinton.
Clinton?
I mean, anybody was.
Right.
I mean, Epstein, I'm sure, is Mossad.
Epstein is Mossad, right?
100%.
Yeah.
I think so.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
So Epstein's job was to compromise.
So they have, like, J.K., Hoover had dirt on everybody, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, even though Hoover himself was gay, right?
Right, right.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.
His boyfriend.
We know about that.
Yeah, so that's true.
But I do know for sure that when Trump.
Found out about the girl that the thing he kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago.
So take your money, you're no longer welcome here.
Right, yeah.
I don't think Trump, there's any evidence of Trump doing any sort of business or hanging out with Epstein after he was convicted the first time.
Yeah, unlike Bill Gates, who actually met up with him and did a bunch of stuff.
And let me tell you something else: a bunch of my physicist friends hung out, went to the island.
Yeah.
Stephen Hawking.
Stephen Hawking went to the island?
Yeah, with Kip Thorne, who got the Nobel Prize.
And a bunch of other, this guy who runs Santa Barbara, if we want to get into all the dirt, I forget his name now.
The guy who runs the Santa Barbara Institute of Physics spent a lot of time there.
And this guy, Seth Lloyd, MIT, is a very good physicist, by the way.
Now, I'm not saying they, I don't think they, I think when the, let me say this, when the physicists were there, I don't think there was any hanky panky going on.
No, no, no, no.
He held a lot of big events there.
He brought a lot of people there.
And that was part of his operation.
It was easier to get high level people with money like Bill Gates if you see that, look, all these other high level academics and physicists, scientists are going there.
What's wrong with me going there?
You're not going to think twice about it.
Well, the same thing happened.
See, Werner Earhart did the same thing, but Werner was not into sex or anything like that.
Right.
With me, because Werner was supporting us.
This is back in the 70s.
And he did the same thing that Epstein did.
But he was not involved in anything ulterior like that.
Right.
There was nothing with kids or anything like that.
Right.
But they also had all these famous Feynman and Lenny Susskind and all the famous Hawking and Kip Thorne.
They all went there here and said this was in San Francisco.
Yeah, so that was, and Werner was also an intelligence agent.
I'm not sure for who, but it could be the Mossad, but probably CIA, but it could be the Russians, actually, because he went to Russia afterwards.
So I don't know who he was, but it was definitely part of the intelligence.
Intelligence Agent Origins00:03:28
Right.
All right.
So that's a standard thing they do, yes.
Yeah.
I want to get into the warp drive stuff.
Yeah.
Okay.
Can we talk about that?
Can you explain to me your warp drive theory and how that works?
I'll try.
Okay, the warp drive theory.
Okay, so now it's a little bit.
Okay, I'll use.
If you look at Bob Lazar's videos where he talks about gravity A and gravity B, when he talks about the, and you said the flying saucer falling freely through space.
Yes.
Okay, that's what it is.
But now, what it is is Einstein's theory of general relativity about gravity.
Gravity is the.
Bending of the space itself.
It's the warping of space itself.
What's called curvature.
The curvature of space and time is gravity.
This is, okay?
So gravity is, space and time itself is a field.
Like there's an electromagnetic field, there's a space time field.
It's a field.
Okay.
Gravity field is space time.
No difference.
Okay.
If you can control gravity, you control space and time, and that's time travel.
Okay.
The problem has always been.
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The problem has always been that the strength of the gravitational interaction, I don't want to say force, I say force, interaction is not a force.
Gravity is not a force the way electricity is a force.
But the strength of the interaction of gravity with matter is normally very weak.
Okay?
And so, energy, if I have a concentration of energy in the volume, what's called a stress energy density, it's called, will warp space time.
So, if I had enough energy and if I could shape that energy distribution properly, I can make space time warp any way I want it to.
Okay?
Warping Space Time Physics00:15:07
That's what these machines we see are doing.
That's what they're doing.
The problem has always been that when you put in the numbers of Einstein's actual equations, the coupling is so weak that it takes an impossible amount of energy to accomplish that task.
But we know from Brian Graves and Commander Forever, from the Tic Tac and all this stuff, what we see them doing is that they are controlling gravity, but with small amounts of energy.
So, there's something missing in our physics.
Okay.
Okay.
That's the missing link.
That's what I saw.
The energy, right?
Yeah.
The energy barrier.
And so, the thing is this I would say right away, as soon as it's warp drive, like when Kevin Knuth, with all these guys at the congressional meeting, said, the thing is going hundreds of G's.
That's impossible.
Because inside the ship, they're weightless.
Remember, I saw you inertial observers, you're in a space suit floating through space.
Right.
Inside, that's the correct part of what Lazar says, where the thing is, The ship is falling freely like it's falling through space, weightless.
You know, when you fall, you're weightless.
Right.
Okay.
Like on the space station, it's going around orbit.
You know, they're floating around because there's no rocket.
They're not firing their rocket engines or anything.
They're floating around.
Right.
So, what they're doing, the ship is like on the space station, but it has a little, maybe that little fusion reactor, whatever, you know, that has a control system where it's able to change the shape.
Of the space around it.
Yes.
So it can control any way it wants to go.
Yes.
So even though on the outside it's going at 5,000, what a pair, it's called kinetic acceleration.
There's no actual, the G force, the actual G, inside they're weightless.
Exactly.
Okay.
Outside they really are moving as if they're going 5,000 G and, you know, a million, zillion, jillion miles a second.
But inside they're weightless.
So we understand that right away.
Yeah.
Easy.
Right.
Easy conceptually.
You know, anybody understands about that.
But.
The guys, the CIA director doesn't understand it yet.
I don't think so.
Haynes, none of these, they don't understand it.
They don't understand it yet.
I'm trying to explain to them.
They don't understand it.
Forever doesn't understand it.
Ryan Graves doesn't understand it.
I can explain it to them.
And when I tried to explain to Chris Mellon, he got mad.
He didn't want to hear it.
He said, No, you don't know.
Why did he say that?
This guy, Christopher Mellon, he's a schmuck.
He, I mean, you know, he's a schmuck.
But it comes to science.
What is Christopher Mellon telling Jack Sarpati that?
That he knows more physics than Jack Sarifati.
I don't think he would claim to know more physics.
He did.
Well, he effectively did.
He said, no, he said, you can't be so sure.
I think he was trying to put it down.
You can't be so sure.
It's a thousand years from now.
We won't know.
And he's never taken a physics course.
Right.
And here the CIA is working on this.
I mean, he's a stupid guy who shouldn't be in the position.
He's a melon.
And by the way, his cousin, John Warner, is a friend of mine.
His cousin agrees with me.
They have the same grandfather, they grew up together.
John says, Yeah, my cousin's an idiot.
That's incredible.
Okay, John Warner, who was Senator Warner's son.
His stepmother was Elizabeth Taylor and all that.
So, a Navy Secretary of the Navy, all into UFOs.
So, both John Warner and Chris Mellon, we all agree UFOs are real, it's a threat.
Right.
Is it a threat?
Of course, it's a threat.
How is it a threat?
It's a threat because some of them are not friendly, because there are many different.
There's not just one.
Which ones are friendly?
Well, I don't know.
The ones who contacted me, presumably, are friendly.
But the ones, there are people who've been hurt.
That's what Jacques Valet's working on.
That's what Gary Nolan's working on.
They're working on the blood.
People have died.
Yeah, gotten sick.
Now, it may not be deliberate.
Because you see, that's what.
Okay.
In my theory, I explain when you have anti gravity, if there's a UFO hovering and you stand under it, you're not going to live long.
You're going to get radiation.
Radiation, yeah.
Because it's what's called the blue shift, okay?
Yeah.
Explain the blue red shift, how that works.
That's really interesting.
Well, this is basic physics.
If you have an attractive force field, If you're in an attractive force field and you're like in what's called, if it's a negative potential energy and you're down like toward the bottom, what's called the gravity well, and then, and you want to get out of it, if you want to get out, you have to, it's like walking up the hill.
Yes.
Okay, walking up the hill.
You got to exert energy.
You're losing energy.
So when light does that, light is a photon, it's a packet of energy where the energy is proportional to the frequency.
So in order for the light to escape the gravity field, It's losing some of its energy just the way you're expending energy by burning food, you know, walking up the hill.
So the frequency goes down.
That's the redshift.
So that's okay.
The redshift means, you know, that's not ionizing.
That's lower the energy, then you can't do much damage.
It's just like heat, you know, it's low energy.
Red light.
Yeah, like reddish light, the redshift.
But with anti gravity, it's the opposite.
With anti gravity, it's like you're at the top of the hill.
Okay, it's the top of the hill.
You're on a scooter, you know, when these scooters, in fact, they do, you're on a skateboard.
Skateboard.
You're on a skateboard, and you're gaining energy.
Yes.
And that's the photon, so the photon increases its frequency, that's blue, and it gets an ionized.
That's like a nuclear bomb, gamma rays, high energy gamma rays, high energy light.
So what happens is the light escaping from below the thing, it's anti gravity, right?
Because it's hovering.
The anti gravity is canceling the Earth's gravity.
Right.
So it's just hovering there.
So, but.
But radiation, any kind of light energy that's coming from the thing, it gets enough energy and ionizes the air molecules, and that causes ionization.
And if it's really high energy, it's the same as a bomb.
It's like radioactivity.
It's like the effects of a nuclear bomb blast.
Obviously, it's happened because these people are getting radiation sickness.
Right.
I think it was on the PDF you sent me.
It really described it nicely, where it shows you the person and it shows the spacecraft moving.
Towards you or away from you?
Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.
That's the Sarfati.
That's one of my predictions.
Normally, the Doppler shift, the motion Doppler shift, if a locomotive with a whistle is coming toward you, the pitch goes up, right?
Right, right.
And then if it's going away from you, the pitch goes down.
Yep.
With the UFO, it's going to be the opposite.
As the UFO comes toward you, if you have the right, if you're a commander, Okay, what Doppler radar with frequency shifts and stuff like that.
When you see the thing is coming toward you, it's approaching you, the frequencies are going to be lower, redshifted, just the opposite of what you'd expect from the Doppler shift.
And the opposite the other way, too.
So when it's coming towards you, the frequencies get lower.
Yes.
And when it gets farther away, they get higher.
Yeah.
And if you see that, that is smoking gun, that's warped, then you know that's a warp drive shift.
It's a warp drive.
Yeah, very simple.
That's Jack Starfati predicting.
I'm the first one to say that.
That's my prediction from the theory.
And Frank Milburn, who wrote these.
So, why is it the opposite of a train?
Because that's just the way.
Can I explain?
Because that was the gravity thing.
If you think about it, you see, gravity is different from motion.
It's not motion.
Got it.
Got it.
That makes sense.
Yes.
So they work opposite to each other.
Right.
Okay.
So that's how you can tell.
Now, if the ship is moving through air, if it's ordinary motion, you'll get a regular Doppler shift.
If it's warping space, you'll get the opposite.
So it's a very simple experimental thing that the military should have by now.
But they're so stupid, maybe they have it.
Okay.
Maybe they do have it.
But aren't the top scientists from around the globe working?
For the government working in these companies?
No, because they're stupid, because they don't listen to me, okay?
Because they're dumb.
Were the Jason scientists dumb?
Well, back then, the Jason's, I didn't know any of this stuff.
I was a kid then.
That was too many years ago.
But you don't think we still have programs like this with super.
No, because they're too stupid.
Well, some of them are, maybe not.
We now, Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory is done in secrecy.
I didn't know this until two days ago, three days, four days, a few days ago.
Last week, I find out.
That at Lawrence Berkeley Lab, they have this big warp fusion reactor and they're testing the Sarfati equation.
They haven't done it.
I think it's a problem.
Have you trademarked this Sarfati equation?
Yes, that's what they call it.
Who calls it that?
Who calls it that?
Who calls it the Sarfati equation?
The guys on Lawrence Livermore.
They all call it that?
It's in their publication.
Oh, yeah.
They got it from my paper.
I mean, they're smart.
There's a guy there, the guy in charge.
His PhD named Michael Gardner, Michael G. Anderson.
He's in charge of their laser fusion stuff.
This is nuclear weapons, right?
And apparently, according to Larry Lemke, who works with Jacques Valet and Gary Nolan, they must have been, yeah, because they quote a paper of mine from three years ago, three or four years ago.
Okay.
So they've been working on this thing secret.
Okay.
Now, how do the meta materials fit into this?
Okay, well, wait, but first, okay, well, that's the meta materials.
Okay, what they're doing at Lawrence Berkeley Livermore is not metamaterials, it's plasma, it's what's it called?
It's a heavy ion fusion plasma fusion.
It's a different thing.
Right, but when it comes to the spacecraft and the way it moves, the way you just explained it with the ionization of the light, metamaterial and all these guys like Harold Putoff and Louis Elizondo and even Mellon, they all talk about and Eric Davis, they talk about metamaterials, but they never explain how the metamaterials help.
All they say is that, well, it looks as though.
These are the stuff from the Roswell crash.
They explain it like a foil that crumples out the electromagnetic.
Well, that's what I was telling you.
That's what Don Rich had.
Exactly.
He had that.
But he didn't know about metamaterials.
He's not a scientist anymore.
He didn't have an electron microscope to look at it.
He didn't have the stuff Gary Nolan has.
He didn't know.
So the thing is this okay, so I have a theory, and we're working on it now, that by pumping the metamaterial with enough resonant electromagnetic energy, we create what's called a.
It's basically like a room temperature superconductor.
It's called a further condensate.
It's like a laser.
It's analogous to a laser, but the stuff that's lazing are what are called quasi particles that are just emergent properties of the material itself.
So it doesn't go out into vacuum.
It's like the material itself develops a new kind of quantum mechanical phase where it's coherent.
It's basically, it could be used as a room temperature superconductor, but the point is you have to keep pumping it with energy.
It's like a laser, you have to keep supplying it with energy.
Okay.
Okay.
And that's us.
We are that too, biologically.
We're lasers.
Good.
What do you think?
All the same.
We're lasers?
Yeah, we're biological lasers.
The math of life is the same as the math of the laser.
Very similar.
Wow.
This is a guy, these are guys in Germany who have developed this.
I forget what those guys' names are.
I have the books here.
I got the books right there.
You got a ton of books in here.
Yeah.
And so in any case, so the point is, see, this is how the consciousness and the warp drive are connected.
See, it's all the same physics.
When George Koopman in 1975 says, Jack, the CIA wants to know, one, how does consciousness work?
Two, how do the flying saucers fly?
It's the two sides.
It's like Janus, you know, the Janus, the Gestalt shift.
It's the same physics.
Two sides.
Two aspects say it's duality, it's what Lenny Susskind calls ER equals EPR, it's general relative equals quantum mechanics.
I'm, I'm, you know, I'm simplifying.
So, are you saying that these craft are operated through the mind like they think about what they're going to do and their consciousness is directly connected to how these things propel through the universe?
Exactly, that's what the guy that that's what they told me in 1953.
It's a conscious, it is conscious.
This, this is.
The metamaterial, first of all, is both a conscious artificial intelligence.
I'll call it a quantum.
It's really a post-quantum computer.
It's all built into the same architecture.
Nano technology.
It's all done.
Okay, what's happening now?
The chips, the Apple chip, my M1 chip is 5 nanometer technology.
You know, this is my laptop.
I have an M1.
Yeah.
Do you have an Intel?
No, I got the same thing you got.
Okay, so they're coming out the M3. is going to be, I think, two or three nanometers.
The M3 chip's coming out in a year or two.
Okay.
Okay, it's going to be a lot more powerful.
For you guys, that'll be great because you'll need it because of what you do.
Okay.
And Eric, the only useful thing Eric Davis, you know, Eric Davis, I have a fight with Eric Davis.
Who's Eric Davis?
He's a physicist like me, except he's a second-rate physicist.
He didn't go to Ivy League schools.
He didn't have that, you know, he was a military guy and they said to, went to Arizona.
He went to, you know.
He's one of my competitors.
Okay, he's a schmuck then.
He's a schmuck, but he's all right.
Eventually, all these guys, eventually, we'll probably all work together.
Right.
It's like Donald Trump talking about, you know, who's the guy, the Texas Ted Cruz.
Remember when they were competing and then suddenly they're working together, right?
Right, right.
It'll have to happen because Christopher Mellon and Louis Elizondo, they won't have any choice because the physics, like Lawrence Livermore now saying, I mean, Eric Davis was going around saying, Sarfati's crazy, his physics doesn't work.
And meantime, he's pushing physics, which I know Hal put us, physics doesn't work.
So there's this conflict because they're trying to get money.
See, it's a money thing.
Follow the money.
Okay.
But now, if Lawrence Livermore, they're going to test.
So if the test works, that's proof of concept.
Then there's no question.
So they're going to have to, you know, already the fact that Lawrence Livermore is taking my work seriously, already Christopher Mellon, if he's smart, he'll come say, Jack, I'm sorry, let's shake hands, let's smoke the peace pipe, and let's start working together.
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You know, like, why can't we?
You're like RFK.
Junior says, you know.
All right.
So, I mean, I attack them because they're assholes.
They've attacked me, so I attack back 10 times worse.
Do you think there's a plan?
Do you think there is a.
There's no plan because everybody's stupid.
There's no plan because nobody knows what's going on.
The right hand doesn't know what the left hand does.
The right hand doesn't know what the left hand does.
And they're most inclusive, but they don't know enough physics.
The people in charge are stupid.
I mean, they're not, you know.
When they start listening to me, they'll get smart.
Seriously.
There's nobody who knows more about this than I do.
I mean, it's going to be 84 years old.
You need to schmooze a little bit better.
No, I can screw them.
Yeah, but I won't.
Fuck them.
I don't care.
I mean, the Russians invite me to Moscow.
Yeah.
Didn't you say Putin sent some people here to talk to you?
Yes, yes, yes, twice.
Why'd he do that?
Huh, because he wants to know this technology.
Then why didn't they invite me to Moscow a month ago?
I could show you the papers.
I was inviting him to Moscow.
This was when Obama was president.
Before any of this war stuff, you know, we were still on friendly, you know, oh, you know, Hillary Clinton was going to Russia.
Obama was talking to Putin.
This is when Obama was the president.
Twice they came.
And the first video.
About a few months after they come and film me, and I've been trying.
Putin's talking about all the stuff I was talking to the Russians on the video about quantum teleportation and this, and Russia's going to get the quantum computing.
It's all, you know, it's all that.
And then they came a second time.
They came a second time in June of 2016 during the campaign.
They wanted to talk about Donald Trump and Putin.
Because they knew I knew people who knew Trump, you know.
So that was just a political thing.
And you could see that on the video.
It's on RT?
No, I'll send you the link.
Okay.
It's on, no, it's Channel 5 St. Petersburg, which is owned by a close friend of Putin.
And I was told in so many words, they didn't say, I was told, basically, they told me elliptically, Putin monitors your stuff, Jack.
They really like what you're doing in Moscow.
And then I got invited to Moscow.
Decided to go this time because of the war.
Wow.
All right.
So, you know, so the Russians are working, the Russians are working this.
And then I have this guy, there's this guy, do you watch History Channel?
You don't watch it?
Not really.
Okay, yeah.
You're about the Skinwalker Ranch?
I know about it, yeah.
Okay, well, you know the physicists involved with the Skinwalker Ranch?
I don't know the physicists themselves, no.
Well, anyway, so, in any case, finally.
I've watched episodes of it.
Yeah, actually, I've never watched it.
I've only watched parts of it.
I've watched Trevor a little bit.
But I guess I'm told that a presentation about what I'm doing is going to be given to the chief of staff of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, either maybe today or tomorrow or next week, very soon.
So the Senate, they're beginning to wise up.
And then there was a guy, the Angleton guy.
Who you could talk to?
He was trying to get, he spoke to the chief of staff, Marco Rubio, because he knows Marco, you know, the politics in Florida there.
And they were supposed to contact me, they never did.
And this guy was Nelson, the head of NASA.
He was an astronaut once, you know, the head of NASA.
They were supposed to contact me, they haven't yet.
And who else?
And then, oh yeah, and then Ron Pendolfi, another CIA guy.
Yeah, who's Ron Pendolfi?
Jeremy Rees mentioned that name to me.
Ron Pendolfi, I've known him now for, you know, I don't know, almost 25, 30 years.
Okay, Ronnie, and I know his brother.
I met his kid.
I know his kid.
Ronnie Pandolfi, okay, he's, I guess, in his 50s now.
Maybe 60 already, or late 50s.
Ronnie's uncle was some high CIA guy, one of the Pandolfi.
They're like the Angletons, okay?
Not quite, maybe, but you know.
So when Ronnie went to UCLA, I think in physical chemistry, like 1980 or so, got his PhD, and his uncle Pandolfi already got him to say, Come, we want you in the CIA.
So he rose pretty quick because he had a PhD.
He's a scientist.
So it's the science technology directorate.
And apparently he worked for Christopher Green.
You've heard of Chris Green, right?
Christopher Green.
He's the guy with the dead bodies, the aliens, and the guy with the blood with Gary Nolan giving them the, you know, Christopher, you just look, you got to do your homework.
Hal put off Chris Green.
These are guys.
They're the guys who engineered the New York Times article with Leslie Keene.
I was actually with them in London when they were doing it.
What?
Yes, yes.
Chris Green?
Christopher Green.
Yeah.
Kit Green.
They call him Kit Green.
Okay.
Anyway, keep going.
I don't want to get you off track.
I don't want to get you off track.
Yeah.
Harold Chipman was called Chip.
Okay.
Oh, his CIA name was Orwell.
Nice.
Doing operations.
I like that.
Orwell.
Okay.
I don't know what.
And.
Christopher Green is Kit, Kit Green.
Kit Green.
Yeah, they're all MKUltra, you know, SRI, all this weird desk.
So, in any case, it's called the Weird Desk.
And so, when Ron goes into the CIA, his boss is Kit Green at the Weird Desk to evaluate all this UFO and all this paranormal stuff, you know, Bob Bigelow and all these things going on, you know, all this weird stuff going on.
Uri Geller, all this stuff.
And, um, So they're all networked guys.
So because of Ron's background, and also Ron, at some point, he's the guy or one of the guys that goes every morning to Reagan.
And this was, he did it with Reagan and Bush, I think.
And as far as I know, but he told me, Clinton and who was after Clinton?
Obama and Trump.
He would, one of the team that would frequently, I don't know if he did it every day, he would go in in the morning, the National Intelligence Estimate to the President of the United States.
Give him the information, sit there with a, you know, president.
All these presidents, Pandolfi.
Wow.
My understanding, whether it's true, I'm, you know, this is why, now maybe I'm a dummy, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'm saying this is what I was told, okay?
By who?
By him, well, by him and by other people.
Okay.
All right.
So now, so when Trump was president, okay, so first of all, Putin sends these guys, they asked me in June, this is right before Trump's 70th birthday, he's a candidate.
And the Russians asked me, What do I think is Trump's attitude about NATO?
What do I think is Trump's attitude toward Vladimir Putin?
They want to know what I think.
You'll see it's in there.
And what do I think about Israel, about Syria, about Iran?
I don't know.
But they're asking me this for some reason.
And I don't know what I said.
I know this guy, Michael Savage.
He's like.
Yeah, he was like a right wing guy.
He's a close friend.
Yeah, he's a friend of a Trump supporter, and he goes to Mar a Lago.
He's a, yeah, his family are very well.
They're billionaires.
They fly the private jets when they flew me to Mar a Lago, all that stuff.
Oh, yeah.
So, yeah, so obviously the Russians know all this, right?
These guys who came and they know, because that was in 2011.
They came in 20.
Yeah, it came after that.
It was already in Mar a Lago.
So the Russians monitor, they're smart.
I have a friend in London, a friend in London who is.
Sandhurst, you know, Sandhurst is like the British West Point.
And he was involved in the army, military intelligence, the British army.
He's a guy I have dinner with all the time.
I belong to a club, you know, where all these guys belong to it in London.
And when he was, and then when he left the army, he went into, he was a special branch of the London Met.
Special branch, okay?
So part of his job, part of his job is when, you know, when Russians and people, To provide security for the Russians.
This is back in the 90s, the 80s, 90s.
And up until recently, I think.
And so he was telling me, when he says, you know, the old, when the Russian intelligence, they have a word that this person, they have the term serious, I don't know what it is in Russian, but serious person.
Serious person.
The schmuck and the serious person.
Okay.
The Russians don't fuck around.
Okay.
And this is this guy, this English officer, you know, telling me this.
The Russians, Putin considers Sarfati a serious person.
Interesting.
Okay.
I got this bullshit from Chris Mellon, who never took a physics course.
He didn't know anything, and I was trying to explain stuff to him.
And he gets off telling me that don't be so sure about what you're saying.
Now, it could be he knows what I'm saying is right and he doesn't want people to know.
See, there may be a legitimate reason he has.
Or maybe they walked him into the Bellia Area 51 and they showed him exactly how it works.
No, they flew around in one of those things.
They're too stupid, did they?
I know.
Either that.
Okay, let me take the but let me try to be positive.
See, one thing okay, I went to the ROTC at Cornell, I was in the ROTC, you know, everybody had to be in the military in Cornell in the 50s.
And one of the things in the intelligence seminar, you see, this is why people are really dumb.
You have to get into the mind of the enemy to understand their motivations, you know, be like you are the any good cop knows this, a homicide detective.
You get it, you know, get into the serial killer, you got to think, I have to serial kill it, know what he's going to do.
Okay.
Anticipate their next move.
Yeah.
Okay.
Right now, Christopher Mellon is an enemy of Jack Sarfati.
Colonel John Alexander is an enemy of Jack Sarfati.
Eric is an enemy of Jack Sarfati.
Elizondo is an enemy of Jack Sarfati.
But I got to think.
I don't understand why they would want to be your enemy, though.
Well, because we argued over Donald Trump.
That's a dumb reason.
That's a dumb reason, but maybe.
Okay.
Now I'm going to try to be not hostile to them.
I'm going to do it because I look at RFK. Jr., who's a, you know, I respect RFK Jr.
Even though I may disagree with him about certain things about the vaccines, I'm not sure.
I'm not a medical person.
I, you know, I don't know.
But RFK, I see RFK Jr., and I can vote Democrat for him.
But, you know, but I see RFK Jr., this man is a thinking man.
He's a serious person.
He's an intellectual.
He's noble.
You know, he's noblesse oblige.
I mean, his family is sacrificed, and he's an intelligent man.
He's open to reason, and he's authentic.
He doesn't bullshit around.
And he's a polite man.
He says, I will not say anything against any of my competitors.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He doesn't like to talk shit about people.
Yeah, and I won't say anything against Donald Trump.
Right.
Right.
And so, you know, so he's from Brooklyn.
That's not who you are, though.
No, I'm like Donald Trump.
I make Donald Trump.
Oh, yeah, you're throwing bombs everywhere.
I come out with old guns blown.
Yeah, absolutely, man.
I mean, I'm from Brooklyn.
Yeah.
New York Jew from Brooklyn.
You got a Jew.
And with the Jewish mafia, yet there's mafia connecting, right?
There's all that stuff, exactly.
All right, you know what?
I mean, you know, but you know, like you, you around with the safari, I you over 10 times.
See, that's interesting about you because you're unlike any academic in that way.
Yeah, that's why I quit academia 50 years ago.
Do you feel that they're sort of like a bunch of pompous assholes?
I mean, a lot of them are smart.
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I don't, you know, they do, right?
Right, but they don't have bubbles.
And a lot of them are idiots, too.
But a lot of them aren't as.
You mentioned.
And a lot of them are communists.
You mentioned this briefly earlier.
You said that you said you were reading that quote out of the book over there that they wanted scientists who weren't afraid to speculate.
Oh, yeah.
That's the CIA.
That's the CIA.
So, what I see in academia and some of the most respected scientists and people in academia that are studying this stuff is they hate to speculate.
They don't like to talk about their feelings on things or their opinions on things because it can taint the science.
It can taint the Facts.
Yeah, and also there's another reason.
The real reason.
That's the public reason.
That's their bullshit reason.
Real reason is that they don't want to lose their grants.
Right.
It's all, yeah.
The real reason that every academic I know, basically, well, not every, but most of them, they're all prostitutes.
They're all whores that go with the money.
And to some extent, I may be a whore too.
I'm not saying I'm any better than them.
Right.
But the thing is that that's the way it works.
That's human nature.
That's now, I got to, I'm like a Catholic.
I believe in original sin.
It's original sin.
The Catholics are right.
Right.
It's original sin.
Yeah, that's interesting.
We're all sinners.
That's really interesting.
Do you feel like kind of like an outcast of academia or an outcast of physics in general?
Yes.
Well, no, but I was an outcast by choice, though.
By choice.
I just said, fuck you guys, I'm leaving.
And also, because I had the CIA say, people were giving me money to, you know, Bob Tobin, starting with Bob Tobin.
But, okay, so I'm a Gilbert and Sullivan guy.
You know, in Gilbert and Sullivan, there's this opera called The Pirates of Penzance, which is actually a pretty good opera.
And the story, I'm like the Pirate King and the Pirates of Penzance.
The story is that these pirates were sinking ships and everything.
But what they all are, they're all really members of parliament.
It's all satire, right?
Members of parliament who've like rebelled.
And because of the hypocrisy, there's a song, The Pirate King, for I am a pirate king.
And I sally forth to seek my prayer, go forth in a royal way.
I sink a few more ships, it's true, than a well bred pirate ought to do.
But many a man on a first class throne, if he wants to call his crown his own, must manage to get through more dirty work than ever I do.
Okay, this is a good song.
So I'm like the Pirate King.
And at the end of the course of the opera, they all go back into the parliament and they take over the country.
They take over.
So listen, I'm Ivy League.
Yeah, I'm a pumpkin.
I'm a white privilege guy, you know, and Jewish to vote.
I'm the worst, you know, definitely white privilege.
Went to Ivy League school, but privilege, okay.
What else do they say about I have toxic masculinity?
I'm not woke.
And either we're going to take back the country.
Yeah, you're radioactive to this guy.
I'm radioactive, man, to these.
I'm radioactive.
But you see, so that's the other side.
But this is why it's easy for them to dismiss you also.
Yes, because the Communist Party.
Okay, now let me explain something.
We're not going to get into politics, but there's no way to avoid it.
Because the country, look, we're running on fumes.
The country's falling apart.
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Yeah.
I mean, right here, all the homeless, if you go down, not where I am, but you go down to.
I'm shocked how little homeless there is here in San Francisco.
No, no.
Everyone was telling me how much of a dystopian hell it is.
Okay, but wait, no, you don't understand.
You're right now in a privileged area of San Francisco.
Sam Altman lives right next door to you.
Sam Altman is my next door neighbor.
Steve Jobs' widow has a place up not far from here.
There's all kinds of powerful people, billionaires that live here.
And, you know, I mean, if something happens here, if I call the cops and I say there's some, yeah, cops will be here in two minutes.
Right, right.
All right.
It's not that way in other places.
Yeah.
So we're, you know, as I say, as my friend, Michael Corella, friend of Jerry Brown, he was a philosophy professor at San Diego State when I was a professor there.
He says, when booking passage on the Titanic, it's best to go first class.
We are on the Titanic.
I see, oh, I see the.
Hey, we better, we're gonna go into that glacier, man.
We're gonna sink.
Yeah.
You know, but nobody's paying attention.
The band are just playing.
So, whatever.
Have you, getting back to the UFO stuff, have you heard about what Gary Nolan talks about in regards to the human brain?
He talks specifically about, I think it's the basal ganglia.
He did some MR. Okay, this is Gary.
I'm not, I am, okay.
So, what he did was he studied a huge group of people and he found out that they have certain structures.
They have certain, they have extra structures in like the certain part of their brain.
Yeah.
And those people are more in tune to the UFO phenomenon.
Yeah.
They were contactees.
So, yeah.
Okay.
So you see that.
Okay.
I believe.
Okay.
First of all, I'm not a medical person.
I don't know anything about.
I know certain things.
And I know.
See, a smart man.
And what we learned in PhD, what a PhD does, you don't know everything.
But you know when you don't know.
Right.
And you know how to get information to find out as much.
You know, that's the talent.
That's what a PhD does.
Level means and guys like Chris Mellon, they don't know that Louis Elsa, they're a little, they're lower level.
I mean, they don't respect, they don't realize that they should respect the Safadi.
I'm you know, so but in any case, uh, but that's what I was telling you about Walter Breen in the crash.
I think it's a Roswell, let's assume it's the Roswell crash, and then he claims he suddenly got superpowers.
So that's consistent that they something happened, they zapped him, and he got these powers.
So probably his okay, Uri Gella, same thing happened with Uri Gella, Uri Gella, beam of light went into his head when he was five, six years old.
Around the same time I was getting my phone calls, maybe a few years difference, but and then he got the power to bend the metal, he claims.
And then there's this guy at the time who witnessed this, he was a young soldier, about 19 years old, Israeli defense soldier, who saw this happen, saw the thing come down, the orb of light and zap Geller, who later came out only recently.
He was a general in the Mossad, in the IDF, saying, Yes, I now, I didn't want to say until I retired, but he witnessed this incident with Uri Geller.
Okay.
So everything that Gary Nolan says, and I accept Gary Nolan's expertise, I don't know what he knows.
Angle that mic that way a little bit.
Yeah.
Towards you.
Just grab it and turn it.
Okay.
Can you hear me?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We're just trying to optimize.
So the answer is I support whatever Gary Nolan says in his field.
I don't know if he supports me because he works with Chris Mellon.
Anyway, so.
Gary Nolan has to decide which side he's on or he has to get the sides to come together.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah, so going back to that, there's also a connection to like paranormal shit too.
Well, that's what I'm telling you.
Yeah.
So, in his studies, it was not just people who were able to experience or witness these UFOs, it was also the same people who had more paranormal experiences.
Like I have had.
Like you have had.
Well, I just tell you all this weird shit that's happening.
Right.
Paranormal.
Yeah, that's kind of paranormal.
Of course.
But like, if you listen, I don't know if you've ever heard Bob Bigelow talk about poltergeist.
Of course.
Of course.
He talks about hearing poltergeists in his house and seeing ghosts.
Yeah, okay.
And it's not just him, it's John Ramirez.
It's a CIA guy, John Ramirez.
Robo viewing shit.
Yeah, well, remote viewing, that's what Hal put off and Russell Togg, and the remote viewing.
I know some of that is real because I experienced that with Marshall Nafia.
I was like literally back in ancient Egypt.
You were taking LSD.
Yes.
And I was there.
I mean, it was like spectacular VR.
I don't think my brain is that good.
It could do that.
But yeah, it was like I was there.
It was mental time travel.
Alan Wolf has written a book about this, by the way, his experience on.
Uh, uh, the psychedelics, Picasso.
He went, yeah, with the shamans in South America.
You should read his book, he talks about it.
Uh, and then it's in uh, Gladstone talks about it there, his trips.
But I actually, with Marshall Navy, I went back, I was in some ancient Egyptian emerald temple, an emerald temple, wow, yeah, with the these like the gods of Egypt, the ancient gods of Egypt.
I was with them, and they're like coming back, they're like ETs, yeah, so it could have been a real contact.
And then I was also a Knights Templar.
And I got, I remember, oh, I got the spear.
I got the spear in my leg or something, like the spear longitus or something.
I remember it was on the battlefield, the spear.
Oh, and then I was also a soldier in World War II in the trenches and got killed.
Oh, wow.
So these are LSD experiences.
Wow.
So like I was, I was like somebody else's mind, okay?
Yeah.
Okay, so this is real.
And this only happened with Marshall Nafi, who's a very unusual guy, who made, by using his psychic powers, he, Died, I guess, in 1980 with about $4 billion, which, you know, is not as much as some of these guys have.
But back then, this is pre internet, you know, all this crazy stuff.
What is your opinion on some of the work John Mack has done?
Oh, yeah, okay.
Oh, in fact, I know a kid.
In fact, what?
I know this kid.
These UFO experiencers, these abductees.
Yeah, I know John Mack.
He's a friend of mine.
I knew him.
You knew him personally?
Of course, yes.
He's part of the whole thing.
Right.
Of course, of course.
We're all connected.
What is your opinion on everything he's done in specific?
Like, it seems like there's more.
100%.
It seems like there's more of these sightings around schools involving young children.
Well, that's what happened to me.
They want to teach it to young receptive minds so they can instill with their stuff.
Yeah, of course.
The answer is yes.
Everything's on.
And, John, I still think, although I get a lot of pushback, I still think that John was assassinated.
I was with John right before he went to London and got himself killed.
In San Francisco, here.
And he had just come off the Caribbean.
He was on a yacht with Werner Erhard, one of the guys who had funded me this whole thing here.
Really?
Yeah.
And he was going.
And you see, John was also.
He had a double life.
John, you know, got like a Pulitzer Prize for T.E. Lawrence, biography Lawrence of Arabia.
Lawrence of Arabia.
Okay.
Separate from his.
And John was going.
He went up to.
I think Oxford or Cambridge to give a seminar on Lawrence of Arabia.
He was getting a prize on Lawrence of Arabia.
And when he came back, it was midnight.
And I know the area.
It's this big street.
It's a well lit street.
I mean, come on.
It's a well lit street.
It was no traffic.
And this guy from Czechoslovakia said he was drunk.
A trucker, an immigrant from Czechoslovakia, on a truck runs him down.
Come on now.
And they said, you know.
So he looked the wrong way.
Yeah, he said, looked the wrong way.
Which happens.
But.
This is a broadly like a boulevard, bright lights, and he was right across the street.
So even a truck could have seen him a mile away.
The guy said he was drunk.
This was an assassination because I'm pretty sure, and I don't care what his family about these assholes tell me.
No, don't say that.
I'll say it.
I think he was assassinated because he was involved in intelligence operations.
John, all these Harvard, these are all part of the CIA stuff.
So, oh, yeah, and he was involved something with the Islamist revolution and things going on around that time.
So I think he was hit.
Also, I have another friend who was in the French intelligence who was assassinated in the same way that Harold Chipman was.
Guy from the French intelligence.
Jean-Raison Nadal, who I knew, and who was actually working with.
Francois Truffaut, who played the French scientist, who plays Francois Truffaut, plays Jacques Valet in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, where I got Valet into the Hollywood connection through the party that Francis Coppola gave at his house in 1976 with Spielberg and all these guys, Sekenis, all these guys were there, and that's how he connected.
But Francois Truffaut was involved in an intelligence operation with my French friend.
Jean Nadal, who I knew in San Francisco, and I'm not going to go into everything.
He was working for the French CIA, and he had found some stuff connected with people, maybe the Russians, I don't know, something.
He had found out, oh yeah, they were going to assassinate.
This is 1977.
There was a plot to assassinate Nelson Rockefeller, who was still alive.
Rockefeller died in the same, and there was some of the union, there was all that kind of stuff.
In any case, he and Truffaut knew about it.
And this was when we were up.
Oh, this is when we were up in the apartment.
I still had the apartment opposite that Lawrence Rockefeller was paying for our PCRG apartment.
It's in hippie state physics.
And Jean is up there, and John says he feels his life is in danger, this information.
And he says, if something happens to me, and he's holding my arm, he says, if something happens to me, please, you know, investigate it.
A year goes by, I get, somehow somebody tells me, oh, my French army, another French friend of mine, Michel, my friend Michel, whose father was a general of the French army.
Yeah, I hang out with all these guys.
And he says, Jean Nadal is being buried in Père Lachaise Cemetery.
Sudden cancer.
Yeah, it was a little polonium.
I'm sure it was polonium poisoning.
Yeah, he was killed the same way Harold Chipman was killed.
Francois Truffaut dies suddenly not too long after.
Just look and see how when Truffaut died.
Okay, so there, so yeah, guys get whacked, have gotten whacked, and this fits right in what Grouch is saying, too.
That remember, David Grouch was talking about, yeah, of course, huh?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I don't know what did he say about people getting whacked.
Well, I don't know because I you heard, but he didn't say much because he can't say much.
I don't was he implying it's the CIA killing people or his own guys killing them or the right?
Who knows who?
I don't know.
What do you think about what he said about there's actual bodies that we have possession of bodies?
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Yeah, well, I know that.
I mean, that's what that's what you know.
It well, I don't know it for sure.
I haven't seen the bodies, but I know it from uh, because I believe what Colonel Corso said.
Colonel said he said other people said I don't know that directly, I haven't seen it myself.
But Kit Green basically says it, so I believe Kit Green.
I know Kit Green.
Do you think they're planning on disclosing it to the public eventually, or do you think they're just going to hide it?
It's already been disclosed right now.
There's just that's what the war is about now, right?
It's reality war, it's reality, it's a war on reality.
There's a war on the I call reality war.
Right?
Yeah, we don't know what's real.
This deep fakes, what you could do with deep, you know, deep fakes.
I could have anybody saying anything they want.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, I am a reality man.
I am a puppet master to some extent.
Because of my intellect and because of my education, seriously.
And I see big pictures.
I'm putting together a narrative.
I'm giving you my narrative.
Right.
Okay.
Like, okay, what we are, we're still cavemen.
We're back in the cave.
We're around the campfire, right?
Right.
Hub scouts.
Right.
We're telling you a story with the march.
They're coming.
You know, the boogeyman's going to come and answer you.
But we're still, though, we're like apes.
We're intelligent apes.
We're still sitting around.
Everything depends on stories.
We've all been sold stories.
I'm giving you my story.
I'm shaping a narrative, the Sarfati narrative, what reality is.
You could take it or leave it.
Of course, I could be wrong.
There's what's called uncertain knowledge.
All we can do is take pieces of information and then we try what's called, oh, in artificial intelligence, it's a landscape and you optimization.
This is what the computer, this is what AI, what Sam Altman's, Algorithms are doing it.
I'm like an algorithm.
We're all algorithms, but we're conscious algorithms.
And we're doing exactly what it is.
We're trying to optimize.
We have all these pieces of information.
Any piece by itself is very uncertain.
And we're trying to make a coherent story out of it.
I'm giving you the Sarfati story, which I think, and I could be wrong, and I'm willing, as new information comes in, I change my story.
I adapt to new information.
I weigh it.
It's called Bayesian probability.
That's a very good way of putting it.
Yeah.
And that's, I'm giving you what I think is the best optimum fit to all the data that I have.
What is the best storyline?
What's the best narrative to get a coherent understanding of reality?
Now, if somebody else, I welcome anybody to come and you tell me your story of these events.
You tell me, get this guy, Mick West.
He thinks he knows.
Yeah, he's a schmuck.
All he does is look at the Fravor video, the Tic Tac video.
Yeah.
Okay, I don't care.
He may be right about that.
I don't give a damn whether that video is real or not.
That's one little piece of data over a vast thing of data, and we can throw that out, and there's still plenty of convincing information.
Right.
Okay?
That fits.
Plus, I have the physics to explain it.
See, that's what I have that they don't have.
They're still thinking of things going through air and stuff like that.
They don't know.
What about the idea that a lot of these UFOs are living under the oceans?
Oh, yeah.
That I know is true.
You know, that's true.
I've got to be careful now.
I have to be very careful.
Now I'm like David Gush, because I've been. told classified information, not from the American government, from a different government.
I've been told classified information where if I say too much, I've got to be very careful that a guy I work with can get in a lot of trouble.
I'm like David Grouch in this thing.
I'm in the same position Grouch is in.
You've got to be, you know, just for real.
Not that I would, maybe I would get in trouble too.
I don't know.
But the answer is yes, I know for sure.
I have all kinds of details.
And I even know where in one case.
But I don't want to go into it.
Because until this guy decides to come public, the answer is yes, I know a tremendous amount about it.
And the answer is yes, yes, yes, yes.
500 miles, yeah, yeah.
In fact, most of them, maybe they're based, yeah, they definitely.
And yeah, very much so.
And I have privy information.
What government?
That'll give it away.
Can you tell me what government it's not?
Is it not the U.S.?
All I can say is not the U.S.
It's not the U.S. That's it.
That's all I'm going to say.
All right.
So it's Israel.
I didn't say that.
Is this a program that is controlled by human beings?
Yeah, he's military.
Oh, it's a military program.
Military program.
And this guy was trying to figure it out, reverse engineer it.
He had it every day.
Go in every day to work.
So these things that are underwater are military things?
No, they're not our military things.
They're not our military.
No, We're talking about NATs.
We're talking about something Russia's talking about.
Okay.
Okay.
Talking about the same thing Phil Corso and Rick Doty talk about.
Rick Doty, if you go look at some of my stuff, Rick Doty, Air Force Intelligence, has a chat.
You know, people don't like him, but I like him.
And Rick Doty talks about the same machine, kind of machine that Phil Corso talks about that my guy worked on.
May not be the same kind of machine, but I'm not saying it's the actual same machine.
Same kind of machine my guy worked on.
That's identical, okay?
And the machine is real.
And it was, this was at a U.S., all I can say is a U.S. military base.
I know where that base is.
I don't think the machine, the machine may not be there now because it was years ago, but I have a good guess where it is now, at least where one of these machines are now, which I cannot say.
Is this machine recovered or is this machine?
It's intact, it's operational.
Is it wasn't reverse engineered, it was recovered.
Yeah, no, this is a this is an actual machine.
This is, yeah, I don't know how they got this.
This is what maybe it's a Roswell, you know, something else, something else landed or was let.
They said they found it.
You remember what Grushnids?
Somebody said they're like 12 or 30 of them.
There's a bunch of them going back to the 30s.
Yeah, those are that's Italy.
That's my Italian friends, right?
They have the access to all those records of the Mussolini records.
Speaking of Doty, I was just watching, I just watched my first ever the guy you punched in the face or almost punched in the face.
Oh, Stephen Greer.
Stephen Greer.
I didn't punch him back down.
We're getting to the point.
He would have killed me.
He's big.
He's a musket.
I'm a little Jewish schmuck.
Yeah, he's like Charles Adams.
He's a Hulk.
He's on steroids.
Yeah.
Is he on steroids?
He probably looked like he was.
And he's goofy.
That would explain a lot, wouldn't it?
So in one of his documentaries I was watching on YouTube, he was asking Richard Doty about false flag operations.
And Richard Doty's like, I can't talk about that.
That's too classified.
Yeah.
No, there are false flag operations.
Latest one is January 6th, but I won't get into that.
So, when it comes to UFO stuff.
Yeah, there are a lot of false flags, sure.
What's the point of that?
Well, I don't.
Now, you're asking me stuff that I don't.
Yeah, as a physicist, I don't really care.
There are a lot of stupid schmucks who are in the intelligence agencies.
They're idiots like John Brennan.
You know, we have these incompetent idiots who never should have gotten there.
Some of them are communist moles like James Jesus Angler.
And they have all seen, you know, we can't handle it.
Whatever they.
Whatever reasons they have, some of them because they were working maybe for the Soviet intelligence, they didn't want us to know.
Who the hell knows?
People have different motives for being idiots and for keeping the truth.
Yeah, what does RFK say?
Say what RFK Jr. says, you know?
There's a lot of evil people, stupid people, and they have different motives for being evil and keeping the truth from the public.
Right now, we're being kept from the truth.
It's like Orwell, right?
1984.
I see stuff, and yeah, I'm a subscriber to the London Times, the New York Times.
I see stuff what they're saying.
And then I see stuff from intelligence people I know, it's just opposite.
You know, the London Times, right, they say, oh, you know, Ukraine's winning, Ukraine's winning.
You look at the map, Ukraine's not winning.
Everything, you know, all this stuff.
I mean, it's just the opposite.
That's a crazy thing about the media.
I have firsthand knowledge of an example of the New York Times.
I don't know if it was the New York Times or one of the big, it was one of the top two, three biggest newspapers in the country.
A friend of mine, Jack Murphy, who's an ex army ranger, he's now a journalist and he reports on different sort of like military stories.
Kind of like the subculture of the military and reports on corruption and stuff.
He's based in New York.
He was working on a big story.
For over a year, about the CIA using a NATO proxy spy service to do sabotage operations in Russia, blow up railroad tracks, burn down ammunition warehouses, and stuff like that.
Nord Stream pipeline.
That wasn't part of this, but this was.
Yeah, but this was.
It was sabotage operations where the CIA would not be legally allowed to be doing that.
Yeah.
And so they're using a NATO ally.
Yeah.
So this big article that he wrote, this big story that he wrote.
How many years ago was this?
This was this past year.
Or this was 2022, rather.
Last year.
So it could have been the pipeline.
Was that just now, recently?
The pipeline was also, I think, last year.
Yeah.
No, maybe it was the beginning of 2020.
I think it was 2022 with the pipeline.
The beginning of 2022.
Well, they did the pipeline too.
So maybe.
Anyways, the point is he was getting ready to publish this big story with one of these top three newspapers in the U.S.
And right before they pressed the button, his editor at that newspaper said, hey, we got to get on the call with the CIA deputy director.
Yeah, of course.
And he got a three way call with the deputy director of the CIA, and he said, No, this is completely false.
He's like, This is not true.
We don't know what to believe.
So he said, We can't verify this at all.
So he said, Okay, that's fine.
We'll put it afoot.
They call that, there was a book about that.
There's a movie about it, too.
Of what they call that when they crush a story.
There's a term.
Well, here's what happened.
He said, Okay, fine.
We're just going to put that in a footnote of the story that you denied all this stuff.
You said it's false, right?
So it was like, great.
They got off the phone or whatever.
They hung up the phone.
The story never got published.
He called his editor at that newspaper the next day.
He's like, what's the deal?
Like, we're not going to publish the story.
Because the deputy director of the CIA has an off the record agreement.
So if they don't agree with it, it just doesn't get published.
Yeah.
So it's bullshit.
It's crazy.
No, it's not crazy.
We're living in a banana republic.
There is no real freedom.
In America anymore.
We are no different from Russia, except we're a little more subtle.
And we're getting less subtle about it.
The Bidens are getting unsubtle.
Well, I mean, technically, it's not like he didn't have the freedom.
And he was able to self publish it in his own website.
It's just that publisher.
Yeah, that publisher.
Right, exactly.
Exactly.
It's a form of suppression.
Yeah, they're suppressing the information.
And yeah, we're living in a, and it's getting worse.
We're losing our Constitution, the Bill of Rights.
We're losing it.
But RFK Jr. says, look, they're doing it to him.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I would definitely, if Trump is eliminated, it looks like he will be now with all this.
I don't know.
I think this stuff, all these indictments, I think these are helping him.
Well, they'll help, yeah.
But the point is, they may also rig the election.
We don't know that.
There's ways to, when I say rig the election, they can also, not just changing the votes and fake votes, but through the algorithms of Google and stuff like that.
Like they suppress the information on Hunter Laptop.
Right, right, right.
Things like that.
Right, right.
And through the media.
And through all that.
I see the Times Radio in UK, London.
And I'm a subscriber, and I used to read it.
I still read it for other things, but they're giving a totally opposite picture from what Colonel McGregor and other people I know are saying.
And then you look at the map, there's an objective you can see.
Institute for the Study of War, which is, I think, a British think tank.
I'm not sure.
Maybe it's a swashbuckler.
And they show the front line.
And they show what's being contested, like how much Russia has, what the Ukrainians are trying to have.
And you see, they haven't, since the beginning of the offensive, done anything.
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But they've killed hundreds, I don't know how many tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers.
It's a meat grinder.
Right.
It is.
Yeah, it really is.
So it's terrible.
This is all because Biden got bribed by.
Ola Glock gave Hunter millions of dollars because the country, we're falling apart.
If you want to keep your funding, you better shut up about politics, Jack.
Well, yeah, no, but see, that doesn't.
Actually, it seems that my funders like what I'm doing in that regard.
Right.
Okay.
Well, good.
You don't have to worry about being a scientific prostitute.
No, but of course, the enemy, they could get hit by a car.
Right.
Right.
I mean, you know, so.
I don't want that to happen.
Well, you know, hey, I'm right now, I'm 84.
Gonna be a case of raw, maybe the sub, maybe they're protecting me too.
I hope so.
Yeah, you try to kill Sarfati, you get zapped by a UFO.
Are you familiar with what Eric Weinstein said recently?
He was talking a lot about Ed Witten, and he was saying that people like Ed Witten aren't even within striking distance of this anti gravity technology.
And Eric's opinion was that this whole tic tac thing.
And all these congressional hearings are smokescreen.
Yeah, because Eric's an idiot.
Okay?
And Eric, yeah, he's angry with me now because I told him he was an idiot.
I didn't say it in somebody.
No, Eric's a smart guy.
Eric is what Einstein called an intelligent fool.
Okay?
I know I grew up with Eric all my life.
Eric, he's a very smart Jewish guy, like a rabbi.
He's got gravitas.
He's got gravitas, you know, and he hangs out with.
You know, with all these, with Elon Musk, right, and Lex Friedman.
He's part of that little.
Peter Thiel.
Peter Thiel.
And he hangs out and they respect him, but, you know, he's smart.
I know people who have known him pretty well, and his theory is no good.
He has this geometric unity theory.
You know, he's a mathematician trying to do physics.
He's very smart, but he has no physical intuition.
And he's like Louis Elizonda with a PhD.
Now, I'm willing to debate him anytime, you know.
He has to say he's seven time dimensions and this and that.
And it's a.
But what he says about Eric, about Witten is true.
Witten doesn't have a clue because Witten's not interested.
I don't think Witten, you know, his father was interested.
But Louis Witten was part of that Wheeler group, you know.
Right.
But I don't think Ed is.
And Ed Witten, okay.
And then Ed Witten.
To uh, Eric Weinstein's like God, he's so powerful, but actually, Ed, I don't see why everybody thinks Ed Witten is so great.
I mean, he's done, he's a mathematician, he's done some beautiful, but he hasn't done, there's no physics there, he hasn't predicted anything to be tested, so it's a false idol, as far as I could see.
You know, and I could be wrong, but Ed Witten is like the golden calf.
What did Eric David's worshiping the golden calf?
What is what has Ed Witten has done that has affected technology that has led to an experiment that can be papa falsified, like what I have here.
You know, they're testing an equation here, and it's either going to work or not work.
It can be papa falsified.
So, from what I can see, is that Ed Witten has done some very beautiful mathematical art, but it's conceptual art.
I don't see any physics there.
It's a nothing burger in terms of physics.
Interesting.
Now, I could be wrong, and I would love if Ed Witten wants to come on with you, and if Eric Davis wants to come on, and if they want to teach me why.
See, if I'm wrong.
Eric Weinstein, you mean?
Huh?
Eric Weinstein.
You were saying Davis.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
I got Eric Davis on him, Wayne.
Eric.
So, the thing is, now it would be very interesting.
They would come on and tell me what is it that I'm missing.
And if I'm wrong, I have no problem saying I'm wrong.
Okay, guys, you're right.
I adapt.
Right.
So, what was going on in the 50s with his dad, Lewis Witten, when he was studying anti gravity and everything all of a sudden it seemed like.
I don't know.
There was this guy dancing.
Everything went dark out of nowhere.
Yeah.
No, the point is because they failed, they didn't do anything.
Because you want to know if they succeeded.
I know Wheeler.
Kip Thorne would know all these guys.
But guys, I know.
If we had this stuff back in the 50s, we'd be flying it around now.
Why are we spending money on jets?
Well, maybe these things are ours.
No, they're not ours.
Definitely not ours.
That's clear.
Don't even say that.
That's kind of dumb.
There's no way that Ryan Graves, that Grouche, and all these Navy pilots, that at this point, 20 years later, if it was ours, we would be.
Okay.
And if it was Russia's, Putin would be using it in Ukraine right now.
Are you kidding?
But if it was ours, why wouldn't we test it against our most elite?
Navy firefighters.
Yeah, but then why aren't we using it?
How do you know we're not using it?
We're not using it.
There's footage of them over in the Middle East.
Yeah, but they're not.
Well, no, they would use it.
It would come out.
The Congress doesn't know who provides the money.
It's not ours.
Right, but some of these companies like Battelle Institute.
No, they're all stupid.
You got to understand.
They're all engineers.
They're smart in what they do.
They don't understand what I'm talking about.
They don't understand general relativity.
They don't understand it.
They know the mathematics.
See, there's a thing.
There are different layers.
There are plenty of guys who have done good work.
In the theory and the mathematics of general relativity, that they don't understand the physics behind what they're doing.
They can't relate their math really to physics because they don't really understand it.
Okay, that's why they haven't done anything.
Now, I would love to be proved wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong.
You know, I have enough experience, I sort of know how things work.
We don't have it.
If we had it after 70 years, we'd be using the damn thing.
We wouldn't be spending, you know, almost a trillion dollars a year on obsolete military technology, which is no good.
Maybe we would because if we would, if we are, then all these 44 four star generals, all these secretaries of defense, they should all be court martialed, their pensions taken away, and tried for treason because they've been keeping the real stuff from jeopardizing the defense of the United States.
And I'll tell you one thing if Putin had it, he wouldn't keep it secret.
You don't think so?
Then why the fuck would they invite me to Moscow if they had it?
Why do they need me for it?
They don't have it.
There's the proof.
I mean, you gotta, you know, I have a little idea that's sechel, you know, a little common sense.
They don't have it.
Nobody has it except I may have it.
I have some of it.
I certainly have some of it, okay?
And I'm the only one who has it.
And I'd love somebody to prove me wrong.
Show me, you know?
So, and Eric Weinstein, he's a big poo ball with Lex Friedman and Elon Musk, who's kind of a schmuck too.
I like Elon, but he's a schmuck.
Elon Musk, he's putting all his money into rockets and he's going a little bit crazy.
He's a little bit of sugar.
You know, when he talks on his.
Streets.
Sounds worse than Trump ever was, you know?
He's going to be boxing Mark Zuckerberg.
I didn't want to box a little too much.
Would you box Eric Weinstein?
No, I'm 84 years old.
I can't have my.
Yeah, if I was maybe 24, I would.
That's stupid.
You know, they're stupid.
They're smart in many ways, but they're stupid in many other ways.
Okay.
And that's why I'm saying Sarfati Space Corporation is going to kick the ass of SpaceX because we're going to show that every day, then you should use the graphics.
Now we're going to show that all the rocket technology that SpaceX is using is brilliant engineering.
Great.
You know, the thing comes down.
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But we don't need any of that.
It's dumb.
You want to get to Mars like crawling on your knees to get to Mars.
We'll get to Mars in what?
A half hour.
We'll get to Mars.
You step through the warp drive.
Yeah.
If you get there and maybe through a wormhole, you may just step through the doorway like in Doctor Who and you wind up you're on Mars.
How do we go through a wormhole?
We just walk through it.
How do you go through it?
You walk through it.
How do we make one?
Well, how do we make one?
That's what the experiment.
I want to put speed bumps.
That's Sam in his Lamborghini.
No, no, no.
That's some asshole in a motorcycle.
But the point is this that the experiment that they're going to do at Lawrence Livermore, testing that equation, is the first step toward making a wormhole.
If that works, then we've now.
If it doesn't work, we have to go back to the drawing board and see why it didn't work.
So it's manipulating the fabric of space time.
You, you know, you warped, you changed the shape of the gravitational field, so it's a wormhole.
So, they're going at Lawrence Livermore, they're going to test your equation.
Yeah, they test one of the, they're testing one version.
There's a simplified toy model.
They're not testing the general theory, they're testing a particular application of the general theory based on certain assumptions that are very simple for a homogeneous plasma.
For simple, it's not a metamaterial.
Metamaterial is more complicated.
Metamaterial, you know, is not homogeneous, not isotropic, and it.
Change of time.
This is for a plasma, heavy ion plasma.
You read their paper, and they're testing it to see if it works there.
Okay.
And if it works, then it's a sufficient proof of concept.
If it doesn't work, it's not good, but it's also, we've learned some that that particular application of the general theory is the wrong way to go.
At least it doesn't work for a plasma.
Okay.
Okay.
So they've tested some of it.
Now, what they're testing, they got this huge machine and they got these beams of heavy ions.
They're smashing them together in a like A tenth of a millionth of a cubic meter, a tiny little volume bubble.
And they're going to create a gravitational field that's 16,000 times the Earth's.
In other words, you would weigh, if you were in the little guy in the bubble, your weight would be 16,000 times your Earth weight.
Wow.
16,000.
What would that do to time?
Well, that's a good question.
Yeah, that's a very good question, actually.
It'll be a time distortion, maybe.
Actually, thank you.
I'll calculate that.
But I did.
I was worried about whether it would make a black hole, which might be bad.
Haven't they already made a black hole in a lab?
No.
No, no.
They've done what I call simulations where they simulate.
It's like a computer simulation of a black hole using metamaterials, but there's not a physical black hole.
This would be a physical black hole.
So I checked.
It turns out, even with their tremendous energies, what they're doing, it's nowhere near a black hole.
But it is 16,000.
Earth G, and the curvature, what's called the curvature, is 10 to the 22 times the curvature at the surface of the Earth.
Now, if the Earth makes a certain curvature here, it's very weak.
It's like, turns out it's very weak.
But this is 22 powers of 10 stronger curvature, according to their numbers that they've calculated.
But it's still not a black hole.
It doesn't make a black hole.
So we don't have to worry about that.
Okay.
You explained a little bit about the, when we were talking about the warp drive, that you would need very little.
Power.
You can do it with a carousel battery.
Yeah, should we try?
Okay, let me see.
Do I have.
Hang on a minute.
Okay, can you see this?
Tell me if you see this.
Yes.
Yep.
You see the whole.
Hold that.
It's going to fall.
I don't know what happened.
Hit it.
Okay, so you see this?
Nope, you got it too.
All right.
Okay.
This is Einstein's gravity field equation.
Okay.
Okay.
And you see that thing called the capital G divided by C to the fourth?
Mm hmm.
Okay.
That's the coupling.
Capital G is what's called Newton's constant of gravitation.
The little C in the denominator there to the fourth power, that's the vacuum speed of light.
Okay.
Okay.
Now, just mathematically, now, guys, you have to know some math, high school math.
If you let that C in the denominator get small, okay, if you let the number get small, then.
That coefficient g over c to the fourth gets bigger.
If you let the denominator go to zero, eventually you go to zero, that's infinity.
One over zero is infinity.
So, in general, if you haven't been totally dumbed down by the Communist Party making Americans stupid, oh, and they say now math is gender, math is white privilege?
Don't teach math because you make blacks look dumb?
What the fuck are you?
I mean, you're not out of your fucking minds?
Yes, you are.
You're a bunch of bastards.
Fuck them.
Okay, I don't have to give up.
Oh my God.
All right, all right.
I know, but seriously.
Yeah.
They're making us stupid.
Uh huh.
Russians are laughing at us.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, critical race theory bullshit.
You're the real racist.
We're not the racist.
Assholes.
All right, so what the hell does this mean?
Well, here the speed is 300,000, 300 million meters per second.
But the point is, inside the metamaterial, it's not really the speed, but it's as if the speed is going down to zero.
And since the speed is going down to zero, the coefficient itself is getting big.
So, this is the warp field.
This is the gravity field you want to control.
Oh, lift it up, lift it up higher.
Okay.
The G, the big G here, G mu nu, that's the warp field.
Okay.
Okay.
Got it.
Okay.
This is the energy needed, the power, the T, the big capital T, that's the energy needed.
Okay.
Okay.
You want to have for the tic tac to do whatever it's going to do, it requires a certain amount of g.
Okay.
Whatever that is, you keep that fixed.
Okay.
You make the effect of c a lot smaller.
And since g is fixed and this is getting bigger, the coefficient is getting bigger, that gets small.
That's the idea.
This is the amount of energy you need.
So it's only because g was small and c was so big that they couldn't get it to work.
But in the metamaterial, you can make the effect of c very small and then.
You get the amount of G you need for a very small amount of energy.
It's just math.
It's the math of a hyperbola.
You get that?
You know?
And you see, the fact that most people can't get that is why America is going down.
Because, see, the Russians, the Chinese kids get it.
The Russian kids know it.
For them, it's nothing.
But for most Americans, it's something.
And that's why we have been defeated and we're going to be defeated.
Can you give me a beautiful analogy to understand that?
No, no, no, but this is an example.
This is what the higher, a little bit higher.
Z equals XY.
Hold it up higher.
Z equals XY, right?
Okay.
Okay.
So you want to have Z fixed.
So this is, okay, you want to have a fixed Z. You want to fix Z. You can't hear you because you're not talking to the mic.
Okay.
This is the basic, this is Einstein's equation in the simplest terms.
Okay.
Z equals XY.
Z equals XY.
What is Z?
Z is the gravity field.
Z is the gravity field.
It's the warp field.
That's the propulsion field that you want.
Okay.
The tic tac warp field is Z.
Okay.
Okay.
Y is the energy you need, the power, you know, how much voltage.
Okay, Y is the volts, the power.
How big a battery you need is Y.
Okay.
Okay.
X involves that capital G over C to the fourth power, the coupling.
That's the coupling, the transmission.
So that's the transduction, how an input, Y is the voltage input.
And then, you know, okay, you know Ohm's law, the resistance?
Okay, if you have a voltage and if you increase the resistance, you get a smaller current.
But if you, if for the same voltage, but if I lower the resistance like a superconductor, I get a bigger current, right?
So, in the same way here, what we're doing, the whole trick is with the metamaterial, we're making X big Z. Can you see this?
No, yeah, now you see it.
What the trick is, you keep Z fixed.
Z is how much warp power do you want?
How much warping of the space time do you want?
That's Z. You keep that fixed because there's a certain amount you want to escape the earth, let's say.
Okay.
Okay.
And Y is how much voltage you need on your Tesla battery inside the UFO.
How much power?
How many, what do they call it?
Oh, kilowatts of power.
What do they call it?
You buy the battery lasts a certain number of miles.
Yeah.
Okay.
So that's that.
That's what Y is.
How big a battery?
How big does Elon Musk have to make your battery?
How much range do they get in these UFOs for a UFO?
Well, wait a minute.
First, let's just get the idea.
Okay, don't ask me that.
I'm just making an analogy now.
Don't take it too literally.
So now, and X, X is the coupling.
That's where the metamaterial comes in.
When we make X big, we make X big, keeping Z fixed.
So you make X big, keeping Z fixed, that means Y gets less.
Y is the amount of battery power.
Ah, I got it.
Okay, so that's the idea.
That's the trick.
That's the idea of warp drive.
So what the point is, everybody, all these.
Smart assholes like Ed Whitten, they think that you can't change X.
They can't change that.
They say X is fixed.
You can't do anything about it.
That's why they don't believe any of this.
They don't think you can change X. What is X again?
X is the coupling of the voltage to the warp drive.
Okay.
Okay.
X is like, X is the engine.
Okay.
X is the engine.
X is the engine.
I understand that.
Okay.
So, so I, I, okay, it's like the horsepower of the engine.
Okay.
Okay, and Y is how much gasoline you need.
Okay, how much gas?
Oh, okay, got it.
Okay.
So the higher.
Okay, no, no.
X is the efficiency of the engine.
The efficiency.
The efficiency, you know, the efficiency.
The more efficient the engine, for a certain amount of horsepower, this is like the amount of horsepower out.
Okay.
The horsepower is like the warp.
Okay.
So as you make the engine more efficient, you need less fuel to get the amount of horsepower, right?
Or something like that.
Right.
Maybe that violates the energy constant.
I'm trying to make analogies.
People get it.
But the point is this look, it's simple mathematics.
As z is fixed, you make x big for z fixed, y gets small.
Okay, there's a graph.
It's called a hyperbola.
Okay, let me just draw a graph.
This is x, and this is y.
I'll make it red.
And this is called z fixed.
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This is it, man.
This is it.
So.
A little higher.
This is for fix Z.
That red curve is called the curve of hyperbola.
Okay.
You can see which way.
So when X is getting small, what does it mean for X to get small?
X to get small, you're moving toward the origin.
This is zero, right?
Uh huh.
X is getting small, so it goes X and Y is going up there.
Y is the other way around.
I have the other way around.
Fix it.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I want it to go the other way around.
I want.
Okay, no, I'm starting.
No, X starts off small.
I got to just, X starts off here, and X is going there.
So Y is getting small.
Y is the amount of energy you need.
Okay.
That's it.
So this is, you know, that's basically this curve.
It's the curve hyperbola.
That's it.
Curve hyperbola.
Yeah, this is hyperbola.
See, now this is, I want to tell you something.
In Russia and in China, even in, they used to be, I don't know if in France, the kids learn this when they're 10 years old.
A 10 year old kid, your kid should be knowing this by now, by the time you're 11 or 12 for sure.
Okay.
Okay?
And the fact that most Americans don't know this is why we're going under.
This is the biggest national security threat the average American kid, like you guys who are pretty smart, don't know basic mathematics.
And that's why the Congress doesn't know it.
Who the hell is that?
Oh, okay.
The CIA director now is a PhD in physics, actually.
Oh, yeah.
Who's the CIA director right now?
That woman.
I forgot her name.
Is it a woman right now?
It's a woman, yeah.
And she's a PhD in physics.
So she may already understand this.
I don't know.
Maybe she's keeping it secret.
But she could understand this in two seconds.
Who is the current CIA director?
William Burns is the current CIA director.
Okay.
Oh, no.
The DCI, the National Intelligence Director.
Okay.
Is that a woman?
Check it out.
What's it called, DCI Director?
The National Intelligence Director.
Directorate National Intelligence, National Intelligence Directorate, or something.
Yeah, she's like the boss, you know, the.
Oh, yeah, Averill Haynes.
Averill Haynes.
Look at her.
She's a PhD in physics.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So Averill Haynes should be calling Jack Safari in the goddamn telephone.
Jack, sorry.
Yeah, let's do a Zoom and we'll have a discussion.
Right.
And Averill Haynes knows Ron Padoffi used to work for these people, so this is all.
They should do this.
Yeah.
Stop being stupid.
In the meantime, the Russians want me to go to Moscow.
Right.
You want the Russians to get it?
Schmucks.
And it's all, I blame Chris Mellon because Chris Mellon was Assistant Secretary for Intelligence at the Pentagon because he was a Mellon.
And Mellon should have told him this.
Mellon should have told him this.
He's not doing his job.
Right.
So that's the problem.
That's the problem.
The problem is, and we see it, what's happening in Ukraine.
Everything we're doing is stupid.
We have open borders.
So now what's happening with the open borders?
We have chinese, communist, Iranian, and God knows how North Korean special forces, sleeper cells, all these young guys, these are military aged men coming through and they're ready and they get the order, bang, what happens?
They blow up Hoover Dam, they blow up our nuclear reactors, they incapacitate our energy generator, our oil refineries, and we're dead in the water.
We have no home defense now.
There's no home defense.
They could take us over anytime.
Well, didn't you say we have that biodome that blocks all the nukes?
No, we don't have it.
I want to make it.
We don't have it.
That's what they're hoping.
And I'm not sure we can make it.
I think maybe we can because the Tic Tacs have it.
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We have some evidence, anecdotal evidence.
The Tic Tacs have this thing.
They have a force field?
Yeah.
They could bounce it.
They try to shoot it down with missiles and it bounces off.
They try to shoot the Tic Tac with missiles?
Or the stuff coming out of the water.
Yeah, they tried to shoot it down.
What?
Who tried to shoot it?
Well, I can't tell you that the guys who tell me, you know, the guy who get in trouble, I don't want to get him in trouble.
And what happened to the, what would they shot rockets at it?
Yeah.
What happened to the rockets?
They bounce back or nothing happens.
They can't get through it.
Well, they even have the thing when they have the CUFO and they take a settle in torches and they try to, they can't dent it even.
Until, they can dent it when it wants, until mentally, if it likes your brain waves, it'll obey your commands.
Really?
Yeah.
People can consciously tap into them?
What?
People can consciously tap into them?
That's the only way you can.
It's the one they're controlled.
Because they're conscious.
They're alive in a sense.
They're artificial life.
They are post quantum artificial living conscious intelligence.
They are chat AI.
Oh, they are what Sarfati Co op is going to do if we're successful.
If we get, you know, we may not be.
They may.
What Starfati Corp is going to do, you're going to have an iPhone in which the AI is a conscious AI.
It's going to be as conscious as you are.
Maybe not quite as conscious.
Maybe like a dog.
Dogs are conscious.
Yeah.
But it'll be able to talk.
A dog can't talk.
A dog has emotional consciousness just like us, maybe better than us.
You know, the dolphins, they all have it.
You know, it's all the same.
Right.
Because I know we understand the physics of it.
We solve the physics of it, we understand how to do it.
You know, with nanotechnology, that's what we're going to do here, it's our Fatty Space CORP um, and so the point, and you can get into your Tesla car.
I don't like electric cars, that's i'm going to.
I'm going to get into my E-pace Jaguar, my 20, 30 E-pace Jaguar, and it's going to have a conscious say.
You know it'll say, uh jack, where do you want to go?
In a beautiful English lady's voice, like they have now.
But except, it's going to be much smarter than this, you know, than what they have now, because what they have now is a zombie.
It's not conscious.
Right, right.
But we also have to worry because you have conscious robots.
It's going to be like Blade Runner.
You can't tell the difference.
You can have deep fake people.
And there can be some problems there, but the science fiction, Blade Runner, and all that stuff.
What are your thoughts on what Michio Kaku says about the multiverse?
Where he says there's multiple.
I'm open minded to it.
I know me.
I've met Michio Kaku.
We discussed flying.
He's into flying sources.
Yes, yes.
And he's a visionary, smart guy.
Very good communicator.
A great communicator, yes.
And whatever Michio says, you take seriously.
He's, as they say in the KGB, Michio Kaku is a serious person.
Drink some vodka.
I drink vodka with.
Michio Kaku.
He's a serious person.
So, yeah, you were talking to him.
What is your.
Yeah, I was in a bar with him in Santa Fe, and we spent about like an hour drinking.
He was telling me about the.
This is when I got into the fight, almost got into the fight with Steve Greer.
Steve Michio was there.
Oh, wow.
And afterwards, somewhere in Santa Fe, this hotel in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
And we were sitting down at the bar, drinking.
And he said he investigated the JAL.
He's a Japanese American.
And so he was interested in the JAL thing.
And he said, everything is real.
He investigated, it's real.
It happened.
As far as he's concerned.
What is the JAL?
That's the close encounter of this Japan airline with this flying saucer.
I don't know, I forgot the details.
Back 20 years ago, this was.
Oh, really?
20 years ago.
Yeah, oh, yeah.
Just Google Michio Kaku, JAL UFO flying saucer.
Right.
And so he's not even skeptical about it anymore.
Yeah, I've heard him talk about this and I've heard him mention like the concept of avatars.
Yes.
Well, there's movie avatars.
Well, that's what I'm talking about.
Right.
Yeah, see, that's the other thing.
Ah, see, the big thing.
Because all these Silicon Valley young billionaire, your generation assholes, you know, they got billions of them.
Yeah, and they bought.
Oh, Sam Altman's one of them.
Yeah.
So they want to live forever.
They want to live forever.
Sarfati Space Corporation has a chance of showing them how to live forever.
Because the CIA, George Koopman in 1975, says, Jack, we want to know how consciousness works.
So that's called the hard problem.
Tom Stoppard wrote a play called The Hard Problem about this problem.
David Chalmers, the Scientific American, is a philosopher.
They all pussyfoot around.
Now, I solved the hard problem back even 20 years ago.
It was one of the first.
I first.
Okay.
CIA said two problems.
How do consciousness work?
And how do UFOs fly?
I basically solved the hard problem back in the mid 1990s.
You know, people are stupid, they don't get it.
Finally, two years, a year last year, a year ago, there's this guy, Paavo Pilkin, who's now a respectable cognitive, kind of biophysics guy, philosopher of science.
You know, he gets grants from the Fetzer Foundation.
You know, he's part of the in crowd.
The kind of, with Steve with Hammer off and all this.
You know, he's a mensch.
He's a serious person, according to the establishment.
Okay.
And he is a Finnish guy.
He's a professor in Helsinki and in Sweden.
Okay.
And he published a paper in December of 22 on the brain as a quantum measuring device.
And section seven of that paper, in a very respectable peer reviewed journal, is the Sarfati theory of the mind matter consciousness interaction.
And he basically says it's the only, I am the only.
Theory in town that explains it.
Nobody even else comes close.
I explain using Bohmian physics, you know, it's all in there.
Okay.
And just like these guys at law, so, okay.
And then it took me only at 2011, basically 2011, I basically solved the UFO warp drive low energy problem.
And I gave a talk.
I was working with these guys, Creon Lemke, who works with, you know, now with Jacques Valet and Gary Nolan.
And I was General Pete Worden, who's the head of NASA Ames back then in 2010, 2011.
He had retired from the, he was a, He's an Air Force general, brigadier general, who ran the Space Command.
He has a PhD in astrophysics from the University of Arizona.
So he's a smart guy.
And then he took it.
And my kind of informal, this guy Creon Levitt, who's now the research director of Planet Corp.
They do these satellites for the CIA, small, you know, they do like SpaceX.
What does Elon Musk have?
That sky thing, all these little satellites.
They do stuff like that.
You mean the internet?
Yeah, all the, you know, the space surveillance, all these small satellites.
Space surveillance?
Yeah.
What?
Starlink is the internet.
Oh, yeah, they do like the Planet Corp.
They're here, right here.
It's a Spinoff of NASA Ames, the guys I knew.
And they've done this.
In any case, back in 2010, 2011, there's a big meeting with DARPA, Defense Advanced Projects Agency, NASA, and what they're called the 100 Year Starship.
And General Pete Warren invites me to Orlando this October 2011.
And I sort of solved the problem by then.
I give my basic paper.
But I'm trying to explain to you guys.
It wasn't as good as I have it now.
I have it, you know, things get better with the time.
But I give the first form of it.
Eric Davis is there.
He tries to put me down.
Even though he believes in it, I guess he was afraid that it was, you know, too fringe.
What was fringe about it?
Who knows?
You got to ask Eric Davis.
Go interview him.
What do you think he thought was fringe about it?
I think because he was after the money and he knew he, you know, I think Ron Padolfi calls them crooks and loons.
I don't know.
But the thing is this.
Sharon Weinberger was there.
Sharon Weinberger is a defense journalist.
She writes, you know, and she wrote an article about what happened, this whole thing, about me at this meeting and what happened.
You can read the article, Creon Levin's in it.
And she writes about the whole thing.
It's on the BBC website, British Broadcasting Corporation.
So everything I'm saying can be checked.
So I solved the problem then, back then.
And basically, the last 10 years, I've been improving it.
But I've been getting all this opposition.
From the Eric Davis, Chris Mellon, Louis Elizondo, Colonel Alexander crowd, mainly because of that they hate Donald.
They have Trump derangement syndrome.
So, because of that, they have Sarfati derangement syndrome because I was supportive of Donald Trump.
That seems to be it.
Or they're trying to keep the real secret secret because they don't want anybody to know.
But it's too late.
The cat's out of the bag.
So, I don't know why they're doing it.
But see, this is something now for you to find out.
You could ask.
You should interview, you should call up.
You know you're a, you know you're a major guy.
Now you should call, get in touch with Chris Mellon, get in touch with John Alexander, get in touch with Eric Davis.
In fact I give you a list of people.
They're the ones who are anti-jack, but there's also Ronald Pendolfi, pro-jack Travis Davis, kind of pro-jack, Larry Lemke.
You get Jacques Valet.
You have a panel, just have a thing you know and all get everybody in the same or on zoom, do a zoom, whatever the hell you want to do, And let's just get it all out in the air.
So, all these guys that you're mentioning, they're all experts in different fields, right?
Obviously, Christopher Mellon, he's a politician.
He's a defense guy, right?
He's a.
Yeah, he.
Well, he's not a politician.
He's a, what is his title?
I don't know what his title is.
Okay.
He was Secretary to Defense, right?
For intelligence.
For intelligence.
Yeah, back during Clinton.
Right.
And a little bit under George Bush.
But, you know, but he was young.
His job, by definition, is not to understand physics, is it?
Well, intelligence, you got to know something about it.
He's now the, I mean, Chris and I agree on some very core issues.
Chris says UFOs are real.
Tic Tacs are real machines.
Jack Safati says, yes, UFOs are real machines.
Chris Mellon says UFOs are a military threat.
Jack Sarfati says, yes, Chris Mellon's a UFO's military threat.
And Elizondo agrees with him, and actually Put Off agrees.
Eric Davis, we all agree on this.
So, on the important stuff, we all agree.
Where they start attacking me is they say, Jack Sarfati is a nutcase conspiracy kook, everything, you know, he's a nut, and he doesn't understand physics, and his physics is wrong.
We got the physics.
What do they say specifically?
Is a conspiracy.
They say you're a conspiracy kook.
What part of what you say?
Oh, because I support Donald Trump, and I believe that January 6th was a ripoff.
It was like the Reichstag that they had, because I think there have been FBI and government agitators leading it on, and I think Trump was stupid to do it in the first place.
He fell into their trap.
And so I think it's a lot of bullshit.
All the indictments are bullshit.
I basically say, I'm on that wing.
I'm with Matt Gaetz.
And who are some of the other guys?
What's her name?
They hate her.
The girl from South Carolina, the congresswoman, who's Green, is it?
I can't think of names offhand.
Oh, well, that's part of it.
I support Tucker Carlson, all these people.
And so that's why.
It's part of the political, the Civil War, the Civil War going on.
Yeah, no, you're basically just giving them an easy excuse to dismiss you.
Yes.
By talking about all that.
Yes.
Because I'm not going to compromise.
I'm not going to protect.
Because no matter what's true, they're going to be able to justify that.
Exactly.
You get half of the country.
And I'm not like, for a while, I supported, what's his name, Sanctimonious, he calls him, because he's a good governor.
Ronda Sanctimonious.
Ronda, your governor.
And your governor comes off, this is interesting.
And he says, at one point early, he says, we shouldn't be giving money to Ukraine.
Ukraine's lost the war.
It's a stupid, stupid strategy.
And then, because this is Colonel Douglas McGovern.
Talking, he says, then one of Sanctimonious's donors, a big donor, calls him up, and the next two days later, Sanctimonious does a 180, because, in other words, because of the money.
Right.
You see, these are just politicians.
These are about just going the script of their donors.
These aren't just good people who want to make the country better.
No, that's right.
But RFK Jr., and I support Trump, but I would support RFK Jr., is the real thing.
Okay, I may not agree with everything he says on certain things, which I'm not, you know, but he is authentic and he is honest and he's not bullshitting, he's not lying about anything.
He believes he's okay, and that's why I support Trump.
So, Trump is the yeah, because Trump says what's on his mind, he doesn't around, he says what he, but you know, he acts on, he did what he said he was going to do.
He doesn't get it, he's like me, Trump is like me, he's in New York, and he has enough money, he didn't go in for the money, he lost billions of dollars.
By doing it, he could have had, you know, enjoyed his.
He's doing this because he's a patriot.
He's doing this because you see the country going down, but he's stupid assholes.
That's why he did it.
That's the reason, you know, that's why I can't stop saying, I'm a patriotic American, man.
Right.
Yeah, in the old school.
So there it is.
You know, and I agree with, okay, one of my politics, my talk's the same as Douglas McGregor, Ray McGovern, Scott Ritter.
Scott Ritter got himself some trouble, but it doesn't matter.
He's a smart guy.
And there's a couple of other guys that there's Judge Neapolitano, Tucker Carlson, basically, Michael Savage, who's a personal friend, you know.
Yeah.
And, And that's it.
And RFK Jr., I think if Trump survives all this, you know, the Stalinist show trials, 1936 Banana Republic, you know, treason that they're doing in New York and Jack Smith, that asshole, and all of them, you know, if he survives this, and if he and RFK, if RFK got in as vice president, they'd have a winning ticket.
As far as the indictments, I mean, I don't want to like turn this into a political podcast, but the indictments, it seems like the Georgia ones kind of that's kind of a straight shot for them because they have like the recorded conversations with him, them.
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Well, I don't know what they have.
They have some pretty damning evidence.
Have you heard it?
I haven't heard it.
Yeah, I've heard people talk.
I can't remember it.
I can't recall it right now.
But sort of, what did you hear them say?
That they knew what they were like?
Yes.
Yeah, basically.
Either it was the guys that were working for him or Trump.
There was a quote.
He said, Find the votes.
Oh, no, but that's.
Oh, no, no, no.
They're not going to.
They'll win on that.
No, no.
Oh, no, that's bullshit.
That's all.
If it's just find the votes, that's bullshit.
That's like saying, that is total crap.
That's an ass.
Oh, I'm not even a lawyer.
I could defend them on that.
Yeah.
And he said, fine.
He meant by that, he believed that's not lying.
He meant that there were phony votes and there were real votes.
They haven't counted properly.
By find the votes, he means weed out the illegitimate votes, the phony votes.
He's talking about find real legal votes.
Okay, let me tell you something.
I have people, I have a guy I worked with, a physicist down Orange County, okay?
And they voted, and then some of their friends, they voted Republican, and their votes were lost.
They were disenfranchised in the 2020 election and the 2022 election.
They were disenfranchised, I know.
My vote doesn't count here.
I've lost my vote because they have all this bullshit thing about this graded thing.
I'm a PhD theoretical physicist with an IQ of God knows what.
I can't figure it out.
I mean, I'm not interested.
I don't know.
You know what I'm saying?
I can't figure the thing out.
So, what are all the dummies?
They don't know what the fuck is going on.
Right, right.
So, we don't have any voting here in San Francisco for locals.
I can vote for Trump or for somebody or for RFK Jr.
But then they still don't, you know.
I mean, so we don't have any votes.
California is a one party rigged election state.
We have no voting rights.
My civil rights have been violated for a long time.
Why don't you move to Florida?
What?
Why don't you move to Florida?
No, because I can't stand the weather.
I know.
I have a beautiful wedding here.
Are you kidding?
Look at where I'm living.
So you'd rather you give up some freedom for good weather?
Yes.
Fair enough.
And also, I'm in London almost half a year.
Okay.
Half the year?
Wow.
Well, it's been four months.
I plan to spend more.
If this thing comes through, we have a London branch, a London company.
Uh huh.
And my better half is.
British citizen.
And we have, you know, I belong to a British club.
They don't throw me out for politics because they're all pro Ukraine and I'm not.
But whatever, I'm with this very exclusive club and the club world.
And I just like London.
Have you been to London?
I've never been to London.
Hey, you guys, if you have the money, if you want to do, maybe come over to London for a couple of days.
It's not that far from Florida.
Fly over to London for a couple of days and we can walk around.
As long as I don't look the wrong way when I'm crossing the street.
Like John Mack yeah yeah yeah, right.
No no, London is great, London is still, and even even England's going downhill also, they some of the same.
They have some of the same problems we have.
Yeah, but yeah, but still.
The Londoners are just, you know they they, they're just uh, more fun in general, and i'm with a very elite group of you know, people in the, in the theater world, the government world, the army, the police, the London my, my friends are assistant commissioner of the London met, you know, we have dinner and we, You know, and it's playwrights.
You're a big shot.
Well, I'm involved.
Yeah, I'm part of the.
You know, I'm integrated into.
Bohemian Grow.
Yeah, okay.
Watched it.
Yeah, right, right.
Yeah.
Well, no more Bohemian Grow because my guy died.
My guy died, you know.
I could.
Are you sure they don't do sacrifices at Bohemian Grow?
No, they don't do anything like that.
Have you seen Alex Jones' documentary about the left?
Alex Jones, look, some of these.
Alex Jones's an asshole.
He's an asshole on the left.
I like some of the stuff Alex Jones says, you know, because I'm a conspiracy nut too.
But Alex Jones really screwed up.
You're a conspiracy nut.
You just made fun of Chris Mellon for calling you a conspiracy nut.
You just called yourself a conspiracy nut.
I am a conspiracy nut, but anybody who isn't a conspiracy nut is just stupid.
You gotta be stupid not to be a conspiracy nut these days because it couldn't be worse.
Everything you think is bad, it's worse than you think it is.
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth?
Do you know?
Not much.
Six months.
Yeah, okay.
Right, right, right.
So, what we're talking about?
Okay, the Grove.
Okay, Alex Jones basically screwed up on the Sandy Hook thing.
Oh, yeah, big time.
That was dumb.
That was real.
I don't know how it would be so stupid.
I like him as a personality.
I like him.
And then he screwed up on the Bohemian Grove.
That's stupid.
I've been to Bohemian Grove many times, and it's just like me being in a London club.
It's a bunch of basically old guys like me.
Okay.
Old guys like me who are relaxing because they feel safe.
Okay.
And then they have a few guys like you up and coming, you know.
And hedge fund guys, and a lot of them are rich and powerful, like Henry Kissinger, George Bush.
There's this whole camp where it's all like Robert Gates, defense intelligence, heads of the CIA, admirals, the four stars.
They have their own camp.
I can go in there and talk to them if I want.
Everything is very friendly.
Oh, we go there, and there's this beautiful night, a summer night.
They have like a thousand people there, tables out, you know, dinners.
And there's young people, they have these beautiful young waitresses and young men like you, you know, who are like making, you know, they had summer jobs, college kids, you know, stuff like that, who are the waiters and stuff like that.
And they, sex slaves?
No, no, none of that.
In fact, these guys couldn't get it up anyway.
When they got sex slaves.
I don't know if Viagra would help them.
They're not, no, they're not.
You ever seen Obama there?
I don't think they let Obama in.
They wouldn't let Clinton in.
They don't like Clinton.
Really?
Oh, no.
Clinton would not be made a member.
For some reason, I was told Clinton probably not by some of the top guys.
I don't know what they have against Clinton.
No, Clinton wasn't there.
Clinton was a straight shooter.
I don't know.
Maybe the guys I just spoke to didn't like it.
Maybe they were Republicans.
I don't know.
I don't know if Obama's been there or not.
It's a good question.
No.
But the people go to Kissinger, Bloomberg.
Who are some of the other guys?
George Soros.
I don't think they like George Soros much.
I don't know.
I don't know if Soros.
That's a good question.
I don't know that much who's been there.
But let me put it there.
Okay.
Being at the Grove is like when I was at Cornell at 16, coming in on the Cornell special with the band.
Being at the Grove at times is like being back in the 50s.
They have these plays, they have these performances, and everybody, the orchestras, everything, the opera, everything is done by members.
They have a lot of talented people from Hollywood, from Broadway, very famous rock stars come, you know?
Wow.
Okay.
And it's very patriotic.
We go, it was just like when it was back at Cornell.
So we go up there, there's this big, whoops, big amphitheater, and they're putting on a play, a show, and they play the Star Spangled.
Everybody gets up, we pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.
These women, your families are there.
It's all very American.
It's all Norman Rockwell, you know, and the bands, and those old guys, and the American flags.
And then they play all the Stanford song, the Berkeley song, the Cornell song.
The uh, you know, the uh Harvard yeah YALE, these are all Ivy League people.
These are guys I knew back at Cornell.
They're all you go from.
You go from the Ivy League over to Bohemian Grove.
You know, if you made money.
Okay, they have two classes of of uh, they have two classes of members.
If I would have, if my friend hadn't died and if I hadn't been busy, I could have become what's called the bohemian, a real bohemian, a creative member, the creative members they don't have to pay anything.
You pay your bill, your bar bill, you still have to have money.
But a guy like Kissinger, he'll pay like $30,000 a year just dues.
Maybe it's $50,000, but it's a lot of money.
And they were hurt by COVID.
And those are the rich guys, those are the rich bohemians.
The professors, the creative, maybe the movie star, well, it depends if they have money.
It all depends.
But they will let you in, like my friend, Had somebody by my friend, my mentor, who was a top guy.
He was a creative member, but he took care of the Grove.
I mean, he spent, in other words, you put your time in.
You do, you know, you do something that the club needs.
You make sure everything's running on time.
You know, you work for the club.
You do sets.
You do in the band, if they're doing a show and you paint the set, you act.
You know, you put in your time and, you know, you don't have to pay the yearly dues.
You keep the club running.
And creative.
They're very creative.
It sounds like Scientology, kind of.
No, it's not.
Nothing like Scientology.
It's just like Scientology.
That's exactly how Scientology works.
No, except they have.
You're talking about who are some of the big rock stars there?
Mick Jagger?
Well, I don't know if he was there, but.
Alice Cooper?
Yeah, well, I don't know.
But who are some of the American ones?
Those guys.
Oh, America.
Oh, who are the Broadway?
Who's the Sontag?
Guys like that.
Oh, okay.
They put on before this is pre COVID.
Michael Jackson?
No, no, no.
Michael Jackson.
No, these are, you know, I don't think so.
But what's his name?
But you talk to John Warner, you know, Senator Warner, he would come there, you know, Richard Nixon, you know, Oppenheimer, a lot of Berkeley professors.
No, they put on shows.
They do original scripts.
They put on shows that are Broadway quality shows.
Wow.
Okay?
They put on 30 to 50 a year.
Okay.
And they do it one night.
Everything's done by members of the Grove.
Okay.
They put it on.
And then I think they do something, but official photography.
You can't, no cell phone, nothing like that.
And it's just done.
Okay.
Okay.
And that takes a lot of effort.
And they have lectures by, you know, Robert Gates.
You know, top intellectuals come.
It's like Chautauqua.
It's like a university.
You go there in the encampment and you have.
It's like going back to college.
They have top people all over the world.
You know uh uh, prince Philip was there.
Prince Philip would come.
Prince Philip was like an honorary member, you know the, the husband of the queen of England, you know, and I think Charles has been there.
I think Charles comes.
Yeah, he's come in the past.
I don't think he will now.
No, it's very.
What about Andrew what?
What about Andrew?
I don't know if Andrew was ever there, but uh, I i'm not sure that's.
I don't know.
I never heard anybody talk about Andrew okay, but I know uh, Charles was there and Philip would just come there.
Nixon, Nixon.
No, and it's all very straight.
It's all very proper.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So, oh, all right.
So, one of the things is that's why Alex Jones is full of shit.
Because at nine o'clock, when they do have women there on weekends, a special weekend, women come, the wives come.
At nine o'clock, they all have these GM trucks.
So, but they all have nine o'clock, all the security guards come to all the camps, and the women have to get on.
The women stay outside the camp.
They have various inns and motels surrounding the Grove.
And that's where women, after nine o'clock, there's a nine o'clock curfew.
No women.
No women after nine o'clock?
No women after nine o'clock.
Only young boys.
No, it's none of that.
I was there.
I was walking around all the time.
I saw everything.
No, it's guys drinking.
Yeah, they drink.
They sit, they'll pee on the people.
They don't have to go to bed.
Yeah, they get drunk.
It sounds so weird.
No, it's a fraternity.
Have you ever been to college?
I know.
I went to an Ivy League school.
It's fraternity.
It's like the fraternity for super powerful billionaires.
It's what these are all arrested development.
Yeah, these are superpower.
The people who run the world, not just, it's like Davel.
Yeah, these guys, these are the big guys.
These are the people that run the world that go to the woods and they kick the women out at nine o'clock.
That's right.
That's right.
But it's not fun.
It's because they are back.
It's arrested development.
Yes.
They are back.
Sounds very culty.
Well, I'm going to call it very culty.
It's fun.
Yeah.
I mean, it's fun.
It's like I'm back.
It's an 80 year old guy who feels like he's 20.
He's back in college.
He's back in the 50s.
It's very innocent.
Yeah.
There's no.
And by the way, because my guy, my guy, he's in charge of the cops.
You know what they got there?
They got their own police force.
They got ex Navy SEALs, FBI, California Highway Patrol.
They have a private army there.
Wow.
You know, they have like, you know, because, you know, it could be, they have helicopters.
They got everything.
They got, you know, they got, you know, machine guns there.
They got probably, and my guy was one of the six in charge of the military there.
And he's a straight guy.
These are Marines guys.
These are Semper Fi.
These guys, these are old school guys.
They're not going to put in any bullshit.
In fact, there was some guy who started there, and then they just threw him out.
There's no Epstein type stuff going on at the book.
Okay.
I'll take your word for it.
I mean, I know, because I speak, this is Francesca.
I was there.
Okay, and I know what, you know, I know that much.
So that's all, so that's all libel.
So I'm defending the Grove.
Yes.
Oh, actually, I'm defending.
You're on record defending the Grove.
Yeah.
Anything that Alex Jones and some other assholes, left wing, you know, bullshit, fuck them.
They're full of shit.
They're liars.
That's not what happens.
Okay.
There.
How should we wrap this up?
What do you want?
How do you want people to remember your legacy?
If you don't live forever, if you don't find immortality.
Okay.
I'm the.
What do you want?
Do you see Star Trek IV?
Do you ever see Star Trek IV?
I don't think so.
You see Star Trek IV where they come back in time to San Francisco, to North Beach, to save the whales?
It's filmed at the Cafe Trieste, Star Trek IV.
Really?
Yeah.
And Paramount Pictures have the directors cut the CD.
I don't know if they have CD.
They have me, after the show itself, they have people come on, talk about the show.
They have me lecturing on time travel.
And in the plot, there's this crazy rocket scientist, like Back from the Future type guy, which is like me, building the warp drive to get them into time travel and able to come back to San Francisco.
So I want to be that.
I'm that guy.
I'm Emmett Brown.
I was actually the mom of Emmett Brown.
I want to be the guy who brought Warp Drive time travel to the world and saved the world from nuclear war.
Superhero Jack Sarfati.
I love it.
That's me.
That's who I think.
Super Jew.
That's a great.
Super Jew.
Super Jew Jack Sarfati.
It was Jack Sarfati.
I mean, you want the Mossad?
You should make me in charge of the Mossad.
Well, Uri Geller's podcast.
That's a great way to end this podcast, man.
That was a very strong ending.
Yeah.
Where can people find more of your work on the internet?
Where do they find you?
Come on, just Google me.
Just Google me.
Okay.
Come on, I'm all over the place.
Super Jew Jack Sarfati00:01:28
I mean, Star Drive Report.
Oh, did I send you?
Yeah.
Just by email, I'll send you because you've got to get back now, right?
I've got to get back.
Yeah.
I've got to get back.
I've got to fly back to Tampa.
Yeah.
Thanks again, Jack.
Okay.
We've got to pack up all this shit.
Okay.
See if you can get some of these assholes I mentioned to debate me with you.
Yeah.
That would be great.
Okay.
And also, think about if you want to come to London or maybe you want to come to London and go to Italy too.
Okay.
And just remind me if you really want to do it, I'll put you in touch with the Italians.
Okay.
You decide if you want to do it.
Get us in the Vatican.
Well, Asaro, yeah, actually, he's in charge of the Vatican gods.
One of the guys I work with.
That would be incredible.
You could, you know, I'll put you in the U.S. to see if you can arrange it.
Okay.
All right, folks.
Hey, that'd be fun for us all to go to the Vatican.
That would be incredible.
Because they have the astronomers there in the UFO.
Yeah, if we could do a thing, if he could arrange us to do something at the Vatican.
Now, you're talking, that's a big box there.
and then you know yeah that's that's let's make it happen okay good idea all right good idea next episode will be held at the vatican or london whatever the tuscany they could definitely do it in tuscany which is beautiful thanks again jack let's wrap it up let's wrap it up good night everybody i hope you enjoyed this uh wonderful uh marathon of an episode yeah marathon good night everyone i feel okay i feel like jerry lewis you know i used to the marathons for the uh charity