Matthew Cox previews his Amazon documentary "Psychology of a Con Artist" and recounts a contentious interview with a psychiatrist who accused him of crimes he denied, while reflecting on his parents' alcoholism and his mother's death. The episode then analyzes Elizabeth Holmes' Theranos trial, noting jury disqualifications based on her turtleneck and potential 30-year sentencing for fraud and employee coercion. Finally, Cox discusses Stephen Laundrie's disappearance with Gabby Petito and YouTube's comment ecosystem, suggesting that understanding psychopathic traits is essential to decoding high-profile deception and personal trauma. [Automatically generated summary]
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America's Favorite Con Man00:01:27
What's up, world?
We're back again with America's favorite con man, Matthew B. Cox.
On this episode, we talk about Matt's latest documentary about to be released in Europe, where they create the Con Man Olympics, in which Matt actually represents the USA.
We're very proud of Matt for that.
Matt also gives his take on the current trial getting started with Elizabeth Holmes and her company Theranos, in which she defrauded investors, committed Wire fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud.
Matt makes his predictions on what the outcome of that trial is going to be.
And also, towards the end of the conversation, we get into the latest developments of the Gabby Petito murder investigation and the Florida man who's currently on the run.
It's crazy out there in Florida right now.
We got hurricanes everywhere, murderers on the run.
Luckily, we have Matt Cox here to keep us entertained through all of it.
So, without further ado, please welcome the man who needs no introduction, especially to the FBI and Secret Service, Matthew.
Beecaux.
All right, what's going on?
What do you mean?
I don't know.
Hey, Matt, we're back.
We're back.
Wagwan.
Wagwan, Matt Cox.
What's up, Matt?
Welcome back to the show, Matt Cox, the FBI's most wanted con man.
Still not wrong.
Living With Someone Else00:09:27
Still not.
Top 10.
America's most wanted top 10.
I was number one on the secret services.
That's what I meant.
How have you been, man?
How's life going, bud?
I mean, it's going okay.
What have you been doing lately?
What have you been up to?
Been working?
I just got back from Amsterdam.
That sounds like a place I want to go.
How'd that go?
You would like Amsterdam.
I liked Amsterdam.
Yeah.
I just wasn't able to do anything.
Partake?
Partake in the extracurricular activities.
Yes, exactly.
What did you do?
Why did you go to Amsterdam?
There's a series called Psychology of a Con Artist.
They're doing a six part series.
Scoot the mic a little bit.
You don't have your headphones, so you can't tell how good your voice is.
Oh, you want me to put them on?
Yeah, if you don't mind.
You could probably turn his mic up, I hear.
So, bro, I go to Amstram, right?
And, like are you nervous?
With the girlfriend.
You went with the girlfriend?
No, no.
I'm saying I'm dating this chick, and then as soon as I get back, boom, we wreck up.
Why?
Honestly, I never get an exact answer.
The answer that I typically get is so ridiculous.
It's not you.
Yeah, it's the whole, it's not you, it's me, it's, you know, it's not going to work.
You've heard this before.
It's ridiculous.
Is this the same girl you broke up with before we talked about in the last podcast?
First of all, I've never broken up with her.
She breaks up with me.
Right.
She breaks up with me every three or four months, and it goes three days, maybe four days, and then she starts texting, this is killing me, you know, and I can't stop thinking about you.
And then, you know, and of course I reciprocate, you know, I'm angry, but whatever.
And it goes back and forth, and then she comes over, and then she comes back and forth for, you know, comes over.
for three or four weeks and then it's like, you know, can we start seeing it just see each other again?
I messed made a mistake.
I mean, you know, so we get back together.
We're back together.
Everything's fine.
Three months later, boom, same thing.
It's never going to work.
We're too different.
We're, we're, you know, we're totally different people.
Well, obviously, like we have nothing in common.
It doesn't seem to be an issue.
We talk all the time.
We joke around.
We have fun.
We, we don't argue.
It's just not going to work.
Okay.
Well, like I'm always like, look, if you're banging somebody else, like I'm like, tell me that.
Tell me you're nailing somebody else and I'll be like, okay, yeah, we are done.
But it's never that.
Tell me.
Why would you, why would that be the thing that you need to hear?
Well, I mean, because I think that would be, it would be a nice clean cut.
Like it's okay.
This is a clear, this is clearly not working.
You're nailing some other guy.
We're done.
But simply saying we get along.
I'm in love with you.
I love the sex.
I love being around you.
I love talking to you.
I have fun when I'm with you, but it's never going to work.
But the words don't match the actions.
Why?
Like tell me, tell me I'm too, she's 34.
Right now I'm 52.
She's 34.
Like it was 18.
It's always been an 18 year difference, obviously.
It's like 18 year difference.
Like tell me I'm too old for you.
And she's like, you're not too old for you.
She's like, I don't look 34 and you don't look 52.
She's like, we basically look like we're the same.
We both look like we're in our 40s.
And she's like, so it's not that.
I'm like, okay, well, you know, tell me it's like give me a reason that makes sense.
And she's like, I just can't.
I'm like, tell me you're not in love with say, look, you know, I'm not in love with you.
Like, I'm just not in love with you.
Like, you know how, you know, you know, I'm saying it's like, look, I've tried.
I like you.
You're cool.
I like hanging out with you, but it's just never going to become love for me.
Like, tell me that.
Like, I get that.
You know, I could be like, you're right.
Can't make you be in love with me.
And she's like, it's not that I am in love with you.
I think about you all the time.
I this, I that.
It's like, it's just not going to work.
Okay.
You know what?
I mean, so, and that's what it was this time.
So it's just done.
And only this time I knew it was serious because, and this, I told you this, this is so stupid.
I know it's stupid.
And I've heard people say it when I was locked up, like I'd heard people say stuff like this on TV.
And I always thought, that's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
This is how I know it's serious.
This is how I knew that was it.
She's serious this time.
Yeah.
She, within a day or two, she changed her relationship status on Facebook.
That's it bro it's, it's over, it's real.
It's real, like because you got to think before when we would not see each other for whatever four or five days or a week, and then we just, we were just kind of sleeping together.
She never changed, never once.
This time, within a day, boom done, it's like, wow okay, that's so funny how people in their 50s the people in their 50s act the way we used to act, like in high school about social media, because when we were in high school, we probably would worry about A girl changing their social status of being single or in a relationship or whatever.
You don't even know what I'm going through.
You're married.
It's over.
You don't even remember what it was like to be pathetic and feel insecure.
Of course I do.
To you, you're like, ah, you don't need her.
Yes, I do.
I'm always saying, ah, you don't need her.
When you've got some chick, you're always the guy who's like, fuck her.
Yeah, because you're living with someone.
You've got her locked down.
It's over.
You're all good.
It becomes fuck her.
But when it's you, it's like, fuck.
This is the worst, but it's so weird.
Like, why can't you just be happy just playing the field, getting your doing your work and just banging random broads?
Because I'm 52 and it's almost over.
Like, I my best years are way past me.
They're so they're gone.
You don't you're not good in solitaire.
You need a cellmate.
I absolutely need a cellmate.
I need someone who's down who's going to be down with me for the whole thing.
That's what I need, you know.
Yep, you know, and the worst thing is too, like it's.
I know, like, part of it, I get it because, like, she didn't want to move in.
And so I knew when she didn't want, when she, we first met and she did want to move in, then she didn't want to move in.
And I always knew that was an issue.
But as we started talking, I started realizing the major issue is it's hard to fight with me.
Like, I'm very easy to get along with.
I almost never draw a line in the sand.
I never have 100% opinions.
This is the way it is.
Like, I'm totally okay if we don't agree on the same subjects.
I'm, I'm pretty easygoing.
You want to do this.
Okay.
Well, I wanted to do this.
But if, This is important to you, then it's important to me, and I want to do it.
Like, I'm available almost all the time because I work for myself.
So, all of these things make me a guy that's difficult to not get along with and not which probably drives some women crazy, right?
It makes her nuts because I'm always available, I'm always this, I don't argue, I don't.
So, I guess in her mind, maybe she's just like maybe she's just not interested or disinterested, or I don't fight or argue with her.
Or she needs a challenge, maybe she needs.
I keep telling her, I say, Look, I get it, you want a guy that drives a forklift that will.
She wants shame.
Come home drunk.
She wants shame.
Right.
I'm checking off a few of those boxes.
Keep going.
Couple DUIs.
Three for three.
Six three.
Every three months, you got to get him out of jail.
He's six three.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Six three.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
And I even said that one time.
Tell me that I'm too short.
Tell me that.
Like, I mean, this is how comical it is when we're arguing.
When I'm, when every time we break up, this is how much I go.
Tell me that, like, I'll make, I'll make joke.
And she's like, it's not that.
I'm like, Tell me that it's, you know, and she's anything other than this ridiculously stupid answer.
What do you think it really is?
What do you think the real answer is?
I mean, I think she's just not in love with me.
But I'm easy to get along with.
I'm fun to be around.
I'm funny.
I'm nice.
Like the last time she broke up and got back together with me, here's what she said.
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After we'd been, we broke up for a few days, then we start sleeping together again.
She's coming over three, four days a week now.
And then, so after a month or so, this was how we got back together.
She said, I would be stupid not to be with you.
Delete The Emotion Only00:04:47
You're a great guy.
So I would be stupid for us not to be together.
I don't know what I was thinking.
It's just stupid for me not to be with you.
Well, that's not because you're a kind of a catch and you're easy to get along with and you're a nice guy and you're funny.
That would be stupid for me not to be with you.
Well, you should really just want to be with me because you're in love.
And so what happens is three months later, I just think she's just not in love.
You know, that's probably the case.
It probably is the case, right?
And she just doesn't want to say it because she doesn't want to hurt my feelings.
And I've even said that like, look, you're not going to hurt my feelings, okay?
It's impossible for you to hurt my feelings.
Why can't you just take this input and just do the math?
One plus one is two.
Why can't you just walk away from it?
Why can't you put it to bed?
Because I love her.
You know, like, you know, those pathetic women that, like, you know, he's beating you every night.
Exactly, but I love him.
Yeah, that's how I feel when I say that.
But, you know, because I did it, because, you know, I love being around her and seeing her and being around her.
And, you know, but whatever.
I mean, it's fun.
It's over.
So I'll figure it out.
I'll work it out.
She'll be back in three weeks.
It's one of the worst things that human beings have to deal with the same thing that you're going through, it's just relationship problems.
And so many people suffer because of that.
And I always wonder if, like, down the road, through whether it's some sort of technological enhancement, like Elon Musk's Neuralink, Where we'll have the ability to flip a switch and just turn off an emotion.
What was that movie?
Was it Reliquy for a Dream or something?
I forget where.
Yeah, Requiem for a Dream.
Requiem for a Dream?
Yeah.
So it was where they removed the memory of the girl.
I don't know if it's the same movie.
I haven't seen it in so long.
It was Jim Carrey, and he was in love with this chick, and he goes to some guy who can remove the memory of a person.
Really?
Right.
Oh, yeah.
That's exactly what we need.
Right.
And so Jim Carey's kind of going a little crazy because he feels like something's missing, but he doesn't know what it is.
And the guy actually, they actually mail out these cards to all your friends and family and explain, this is what's happened.
This is a procedure.
Do not mention this person to him.
And then somebody at some point, I think, shows him the card.
And then, like, he goes back to the doctor and he tries to say, I want to know what's happening.
Who is she?
Where is she?
What's going on?
What did you do?
It's a whole thing.
I need to watch this again.
I need that doctor.
Yeah, you do need that doctor.
That's what I need.
Yeah, but I mean, what if you could do it?
I mean, sometime in the future, there's got to be a way to where you can do it without.
Really you don't not really like Jared Leto.
Oh it is, it's Jared Leto.
Yeah, Jared Leto.
No no, this was no no no okay, then it's the wrong movie.
This was Jim Carrey, this guy, are you sure?
I'm sure it was Jim Carrey and they removed it.
Well, it was obviously.
I got the name of the movie wrong.
Well, it's hard to get the name of that movie wrong.
That's a very, very.
It sounds like the story you're talking about maybe.
Really, what is it?
Requiem For A Dream anyways, can you pull it up on there um?
But there's got to be a way.
Maybe it's a different way.
There's got to be a way for, like, not to delete the memory, just to delete the emotion.
Because, you know, just make it.
Then you're basically a robot.
I mean, that's what a robot is.
They just got no emotions.
Right.
But if it's an emotion that's going to benefit you to turn off and you're suffering and you're depressed because of that.
What emotion is that?
Love?
Instead of taking.
Turn the fucking.
Turn the fucking love off?
Instead of drinking alcohol and taking, popping pills, smoking, trying to bury the emotions.
You just flip a switch.
And you can just get rid of the negative feelings and maybe reverse it into a positive feeling or something.
Ooh, ooh.
Yeah, with mushrooms.
I got it.
I got it.
It's called Eternal Sunshine.
Eternal Sunshine.
Eternal Sunshine.
Oh, wait.
Of the Spotless Mind.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
That's it right there.
Can you text me that?
Sure.
I don't want to say it's an amazing movie.
It's an interesting movie.
Kate Winslet?
Kate Winslow?
Yeah.
And so, like, he's programmed to forget her.
There's a couple good ones in there.
David Cross.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Let's check that out.
So, yeah.
So I go to Amsterdam.
Yeah.
Why'd you go to Amsterdam?
Okay.
I went to Amsterdam because there's a documentary company.
They contacted me, like, whatever.
They contacted me, like, a year ago.
And then there was the COVID thing.
It was, like, in the middle of the COVID thing.
And they were trying to work out how do we get you over here.
I literally, so they're doing a six part series on COVID.
Psychology Of A Con Artist00:11:43
The psychology of a con artist.
They are doing like one on a guy from like Germany, one from a guy on France, one guy's from the UK, one guy's from whatever.
And then I'm the guy they chose from like the United States.
So you're representing the United States.
Representing Danny.
As the United States' best con man.
In the con man Olympics, you're representing the United States.
I mean, you would think they'd get Belfort or something.
But yeah, I ended up, what they said was that I was extremely.
Forthcoming and willing to talk.
He's immediately disqualified because he's a New Yorker.
Why?
I don't know.
You don't like New Yorkers?
No, because he's a fucking New Yorker.
He's an Italian New York guy.
First of all, he's Italian, so he's automatically a pervert.
Wow.
And his subscribers hit him hard.
Like Cuomo.
He's not perverted.
He's just Italian.
He's not horny.
He's just Italian.
He's just got that.
I don't know.
He's just a salesman, really.
He is a salesman, but I think speaking of salesman, it's kind of a part, a little con man.
Yeah, you got to be a little con, you need to be a salesman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But there's a difference between a guy like him and a guy like you.
There's a very, very obvious difference talking to a guy like him and then talking to a guy like you.
He's just one of those, like, he just reminds me of every high energy sales hustler guy.
He's a hustler, really.
Right.
He's not a pyramid scheme.
You're more of like a pump and dump scheme.
Yeah, he's a pump and dumper.
Yeah.
You're more of like a hitting the vaults.
You're thought out.
Everything you did was well planned out, well thought out.
He was bringing companies public.
I mean, he was.
Yeah, it was thought out.
It was thought out.
Like he was.
No, but not to the level that you were doing it.
You were literally.
It's a little more one-on-one, maybe.
He was $102 million.
Like, I mean, I wasn't at that scale, but I hear what you're saying.
You were creating and manufacturing identifications.
You were buying social security numbers for a little more.
He was really kind of working in a gray area that was.
It was all seemingly legit, and he was really just cooking the books.
So I get it.
He wasn't like a running.
Scams and well, and it was still a scam.
It just was more of a cook of the books type of deal and he was doing it all in his name and he was.
So yeah, I totally get.
Okay, I definitely see, it was definitely.
Mine was 100% in the gray or in the, in the red and the black or whatever.
Right right right, yours was, from start to finish, right fraud, like it was out to just it was a total scam.
Right okay, I get that.
So anyway yeah, so they wanted to talk to me that I, so they flew me out there.
First of all, I had to get my judge to sign a mo, or I had to apply in front of the judge to have permission to apply for my passport and leave the country.
Not an easy task.
I owe six million dollars.
Two of my charges are passport fraud.
One one is, how the did you pass this test?
You're going, you go in and say like I, I know how this sounds, but I need a passport.
And look, I my argument to my attorney that put in the uh, the motion to the judge.
I was like listen, I think honestly, I said, I feel like, you know, I don't need permission to get a passport.
Like, I can get a passport.
She was like, Matt, don't go there.
That's not an argument.
I'm not even, don't, please don't joke about that.
And I'm like, all right, I'm just saying.
So I think that's part of the argument.
It's like, look, Your Honor, I'm trying to do the right thing here.
Showing up in good faith.
Right.
Like, don't make me go the other way.
No.
Yeah, yeah.
So anyway, so anyway, she went in front of him.
She said, look, this is how he makes his, you know, his living.
This is a thing, blah, blah, blah.
And they said, okay.
And he said, okay, fine.
So, My two charges.
One was applying for a passport, like fraudulently applying for a passport.
And the other one was use of a fraudulent passport.
So, first you applied for several of them.
And then when you got them, you used them.
Like, you didn't just get the thing, keep it.
You went out of the country back and forth several times.
So he said, okay, I'll let him get the passport.
And yes, he can leave.
So I got the passport.
Do you know that when I used to apply for passports, you could get one in about 15 or 20 days if you paid the extra, like the expedited?
No, I got one a couple of years ago in like less than a week.
Yeah.
Well, guess what?
Now it's like, It's like eight weeks behind.
It took like between six and eight weeks for me to get mine.
Damn.
So I get it.
I go to Amsterdam.
I get there.
They put me up in a great hotel.
I was there eight days.
Put me up in a great hotel.
Walked around the city.
You know, I had a couple days here and there to myself, a few hours here, a few hours there.
Like that would have been awesome to be there with a chick.
You're right.
Instead, it's just me.
Did I tell you that?
What?
Did I tell you that about the guy?
No.
Get the fuck out of here.
You're going to love this.
What?
Okay, so.
I go into with my mask on, by the way, when I get to the airport, Tampa International Airport, I'm there standing in line and somebody came, one of the Delta people come up to me.
They say something to me and blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I said, well, which line do I need to be in?
Is this international, right?
And they were like, yeah, yeah.
I was like, okay, cool.
And these two guys turn around.
They're from Slovakia, by the way.
This is in what airport?
Tampa International.
Okay.
So they turn around and the guys, they look at me and the one guy goes, you were on a podcast or something, right.
And I went, yeah, how'd you know that?
And he goes, well, I recognize you.
And I went, I got a mask on and he goes, no no, I recognize your voice, oh.
And he said yeah yeah, you were on that.
Um shoot, he goes, what's that jerk off's name?
And I go, Danny, I go concrete.
I knew immediately yeah, and I go Danny.
And then the other guy goes.
He goes yeah yeah yeah concrete, concrete.
He goes with a k.
They spellify yeah yeah, yeah.
And and so the his buddy and I go, what do you get?
Look, that's what he said.
I believe I could lie, i'm not really say jerk off, I believe yeah he, they had a few choices yeah, he's always interrupted Thing, he's this, he's that.
I go, and yeah, I go, but you keep saying guys in the comments.
I looked at her, I said, You, I go, you still watch it though, don't you?
He goes, Well, he's got good guests, and it's he's not, he's not bad.
I mean, I, you know, so, um, so anyway, he said that, and and then he was like, Hey, what do you, what do you think about this whole COVID thing?
Do you know about this?
And I went, Here we go, what do you mean?
And he goes, This whole COVID thing, and I went, He goes, This is the biggest scam of them all, and I was like, What?
And so he starts telling me about how he thinks that this whole thing, it's all, you know, and there are those, the conspiracy guys, and I get it, you know, and there is some of that.
First of all, thank you, Matt, for getting this podcast demonetized by YouTube.
I just realized that too.
I just realized that too when I said it.
It's all right.
Yeah, you have to clip that.
It's all right.
We'll leave it in.
Fuck it.
So anyway, he goes on and on about this whole thing, right?
I mean, he's right.
Like, he's right.
I don't doubt for a second that they'll flag it.
Yeah.
So he goes on and on about it.
And he's like, and I was like, look, take down my email, send me the stuff, the information, whatever.
And you know blah blah, blah.
And we talked and you know, seemed like a nice guy.
He's from Slovakia, I think both of them were.
He was going back there.
He was like giving up his U.s citizenship, like he had a whole.
He's out of here, super upset with the United States really.
Oh yeah, he was all.
I've had enough.
Was he wearing a Make America Great Again?
Hat no, but he was.
He was upset like to me, i'm not going to Slovakia, i'm not giving up my U.s citizen ship, no matter how upset I am.
So yeah, he's upset, he's upset.
He had a whole thing and he wanted to talk.
So what was he saying?
Why did he say it was a scam?
I mean, it was all.
I didn't really get into it because We're in line and we're moving forward, and I'm trying to get on the Plane.
You're not trying to get deep into conversation with this guy.
Right, right.
And look, you know, people believe what they're going to believe.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, who am I to say, like, 10 years from now, for all you know, what's going to happen?
So, but the point is, he was super upset about it.
So, anyway, that's one guy, or those are two guys, but he was the first one.
Then I get to Amsterdam, and I forget the plug.
I can't, you know, the plug that goes in the wall.
Yeah.
So I had a whole issue with my plug thing.
So I go to.
One place, then I go to another place.
I end up in a supermarket because I also forgot deodorant.
So I'm walking around buying this stuff that I forgot.
I go in to get deodorant, and this guy walks by me in the supermarket.
He walks by me, looks at me.
I look at him, keep walking.
I get my deodorant, and I come back.
And as I walk by, he goes, Hey, man.
And I said, Yeah, what's up?
And he goes, I love your podcast, bro.
And I go, Get the fuck out of here.
Are you serious?
And he goes, Yeah, man.
I've watched a bunch of them.
I watched you on Concrete with that jerk Danny.
No, he didn't say that.
Jerk off.
No, he said, yeah, I watched you on the other one, the concrete with the two guys.
And I said, yeah, yeah.
And I said, Danny and Hat Racket.
He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he said, and Patrick, he was Bet David.
I watched that one.
He started naming off.
I was like, wow, he's like, I watch a bunch of your stuff.
Nice.
And I said, I've got a channel.
Did you subscribe?
And he goes, I didn't subscribe.
I'm sorry.
I did it right then.
I was like, all right.
I said, you did the right thing.
Yeah.
So, so that was, I mean, in Amsterdam, that's pretty cool.
Like, that was cool, bro.
That's badass, bro.
Yeah.
That was awesome.
How'd that make you feel?
I felt great.
I was like, this, this may be something.
This may be something.
You're on to something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're on a tear, Matthew Cox.
You know why?
All because my buddy Treon, Said, you ought to get in touch with this guy, Danny.
Really?
Because my only option was to try and get some articles made, put up a website.
I don't really know what to do.
I want to do a true crime podcast.
I don't know how to do it.
I don't know.
I was already kind of watching videos and I didn't quite know.
And it just happened to be he was wrong.
The reason he wanted me to contact you was for real estate.
I was like, because of life for sale.
He doesn't want to talk to me about real estate.
Yeah.
He's like, well, the other thing, the other thing, like you got a story.
He interviews people.
I was like, nobody interested in my stuff.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I'll send him an email.
Anyway, so yeah, that was pretty cool.
So anyway, I go to the store or go to the shop.
It turns out that I thought they kept pitching this thing as a documentary, right?
On Con Men.
So it's a documentary.
Documentaries are typically low budget.
Right.
Relatively.
Right.
Right.
I mean, there are other ones, right?
There are the ones with reenactments.
But when I think of documentaries with reenactments, I typically think about.
I typically think about like, I almost got away with it.
Or, which is one of the best ones, is Locked Up Abroad.
That's a pretty good one.
Yeah, yeah.
I saw a really good one recently where they had really fucking good reenactments.
What was it?
Was it Netflix or something?
It was Netflix.
They're doing great ones.
Like, they're really doing good reenactments.
This one was like crazy with like cartoons and animations and fuck.
I can't remember what it was right now.
Well, so anyway, so I get there and they had said, oh, there's going to be some, there's going to be B roll and some reenactments.
Like, I felt like, okay, this is kind of low budget.
Listen, so I get there.
Man, this place, I was way wrong, bro.
Like, this is like top notch.
Like, did I send you the pictures?
You did.
Oh, bro.
They've got fucking crazy.
You know those red cameras?
The camera, like, how much are those things?
They vary.
Like, the cheapest ones are $15,000 and they go up to, they're in the hundreds and thousands.
Like, they've got like every other camera I'm looking at is red, red, red.
I mean, they've got, it's just, it's huge.
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They've rebuilt all of these sets for the main.
Set that they have, like they have this huge set that they're using, which is like a museum and it's super ultra modern.
They've rebuilt all of these rooms in the museum inside of their not studio, but what do you call it?
Like the back lot.
It's, I don't know, whatever.
It's like a huge building and they've got these rooms inside.
They got all these sets and it's like soundstage.
Right away, I start realizing it's a real deal.
This is way big.
And then I'm like, hey, who's so are you doing reenactments?
They're like, yeah, like, who did you get to play me?
They pull up the pictures of the guy and I'm like, really?
That's really not bad.
Do you have a picture of him?
No, I don't.
Oh, yeah.
I would love to see the guy.
I should have got you to play.
Yeah.
Could you imagine them scouting the guy, scouting the actors, getting them to do auditions to be Matt Cox?
They were like, he's your height.
He's your size.
They said he's about your body, your good hairline.
Yeah.
I was like, great hairline.
I was like, nice.
Nice.
Wow.
It was good stuff.
So, anyway, I go there.
I do that.
So, we spent like four or five days shooting.
I was interviewed by all these different psychiatrists, took all these tests.
Then I fly back, went to Atlanta.
There was a bomb scare in Atlanta.
So it was like four hours in Atlanta.
I finally get on my plane.
Oh, no, no.
That's what I was going to tell you.
That's what we were laughing about.
When I get to the United States.
So when I went into Amsterdam, by the way, I walk up to passport control.
I show him my passport.
Guy looks at the passport and he goes, okay.
He said, where are you staying?
And I went, oh, man, I don't know.
Hold on.
I start looking through my paperwork and he goes, where are you here?
Business or pleasure?
I go, oh, business.
He goes, what's the name of the company?
And I went, God, it's like.
Tops.
I don't know.
It's in it's like I was German or something.
I don't know.
I'm looking I'm looking he's sitting there.
He goes whatever move on Yeah, he goes yeah, man.
You're you're okay.
Just go.
It's fine.
I'm like that was easy done We get the United States after standing in line for whatever 30 40 minutes when you're coming home coming in to the United States coming home I get in there Walk through passport or you know in the line at the six or seven people in front of me like they walk up they flash their passport boom the guy goes he scans it.
He goes okay.
Thank you Thank you.
Next one.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I get there.
Beep, Puts the passport way over here, like I was going to snack it.
It's like I'm going to snap it out of his hand and run.
Where am I going?
And I was like, huh.
And then he starts kind of, you know, looking through the, he's got the computers, but he's going down on the screen, right?
He's like, not scanning, but whatever.
He's click, Oh, fuck.
Click, click, click, click.
He's going on and going.
I mean, it's a lot.
He's sitting there and he looks at me and I go, Fine.
Now I'm thinking, this is not good.
Fuck.
And I went, I said, How bad is it?
And he goes, Well, it is what it is.
And I was like, I mean, am I going to make my flight?
He goes, Well, you're definitely going to have to talk to somebody.
I can tell you that.
And as I go, I was like, I mean, I'm cutting it close on my flight.
You know, I end up missing it anyway because of the bomb scare.
But, I'm sitting there.
All of a sudden, a guy comes walking down.
I see him walking.
The guy takes my passport, the guy I'm talking to, puts it in this thick, clear plastic bag with a zipper, zips it up and hands it to this guy who walks right up, grabs it.
He goes, you're going to have to follow me, Mr. Cox.
And I was like, how does he know my name?
I'm like, oh, okay.
So I follow him.
I have to sit down for about five minutes while these guys are talking and talking.
And then finally they call me up and I walk up.
I mean, I walk up and the guy's like, so what's this about?
And I went, I don't know.
I said, I'm not sure.
I said, he said, you know what it's about.
And I went, well, I mean, assuming I was, I'm a felon.
He goes, he's looking at me and he goes, it's more than that.
And I looked at him and I went, I thought, okay, you know, it was funny before, like, because I know I'm good.
And he goes, do you have anything?
And I went, like, now I'm thinking, do they think I have drugs?
Like, and I went, have anything?
He goes, Yeah, I mean, you're on federal probation.
He said, How did you leave the United States?
And I go, Well, I have permission.
I wouldn't leave without permission.
And he goes, He goes, Oh, you'd be surprised how many people do.
And I went, He goes, Do you have anything?
I said, Yeah.
I said, I have a travel permit from my probation officer.
And I said, I have a motion from my judge that says I'm allowed to leave the United States.
And he looks at him.
All manufactured on Photoshop.
Is that right?
Oh, he was.
He sat there and he goes, He said, What did you do?
It's like a Ponzi scheme or something.
I went, No, no, it's real estate.
It was just real estate.
He's like, Well, What is it?
Because he said, you were, there was, he said, there's a, I forget, it wasn't a red notice.
He didn't say a red notice.
He said something else with Interpol.
He said, there's an Interpol such and such on.
He said, like a watch list or something.
Right.
And I went, I said, still?
And he goes, and he went, I mean, no, but there was.
He said, and it was, he said, like, what did you do?
I said, well, I was on the run for like three years.
He goes, oh, okay.
And I said, I have multiple passports.
And I go, but that one's good.
And he goes, okay.
And so we had this like 15 minute conversation.
And I'm like, bro, I mean, honestly, I said, am I going to be able to make my flight?
He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's just wrap this up.
Okay.
So he scanned this and I was like, subscribe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Subscribe to the podcast.
Hey, can you do me a favor real quick before I go?
So I leave.
Then there was the, um, the bomb scare thing.
And that was three hours later.
And I got, but yeah, that was funny.
Wow.
It was funny.
Like I, I really thought, I really felt like I was going to sail right.
Yeah.
Are you sweating?
Are you nervous at that time?
I wasn't nervous until he started doing it.
Once I thought, okay, well, maybe it's, I didn't really think federal probation.
I just thought.
Felon, like I knew there had been what's called like what's called a red notice on me at one time and all that means is like arrest him immediately and hold.
You know, hold this person not, don't detain him.
Like hold him yeah, and don't notify, because they have other notices are like look, let him in but notify us.
But it wasn't that, it was for me.
It was like no no, you hold him, but I so I thought it might be that.
But when then he said federal probation, and then he was like do you have, like when she gave, when my probation officer she's given me travel permits before And nobody's ever asked me for it.
So when he asked for it, I was like, oh, geez.
Thank God I printed that thing out.
Yeah.
Like, nice.
Got it.
And thank God I brought the motion too.
Is this the first time you've left the country since you were released from prison?
Well, I went to Puerto Rico.
But you don't need a passport for Puerto Rico.
Right.
But they never asked me for anything.
I walked in and out.
No big deal.
All right.
I wonder what they see on the computer when you're hanging out.
I'd love to see, like, because he doesn't know exactly what you did.
He didn't.
But he sees something.
And he saw something big.
He only knew.
Just a flashing red light.
Warning, warning.
He only seemed like he knew it was financial or bank fraud or something.
I wonder if they see like a dollar number or something.
Or just charges maybe.
Maybe the charges.
Like I don't know.
And by that point, I am concerned.
Like at that point, he's like, he's not kind of laughing it off like I was.
I was laughing it off because I know I'm good.
Right, right.
Then he starts like, you know, it made me feel like I was doing something wrong.
Like I started feeling, even though I know I'm not, like I started feeling like I'm doing something wrong.
So that must be the best part of those guys' jobs, making people sweat.
No, just like meeting people like you, like me, like seeing those like interesting people come through, you know, with the crazy backgrounds or something crazy on Interpol on the watch list or whatever.
That must be like the they come home from work, they got to Google you after that or something.
Yeah, they come home from work.
Who is this guy?
Did anything new happen at work today, honey?
You'll never believe the guy I met today came through customs.
This guy, Matthew Cox.
You know, it's you know, it's funny, because whenever I meet somebody like.
Typically I just talk to people like I'm just talking, like you would talk to right, and every once in a while somebody, it something comes up and I realize like when they I get that that shock, look on their face so that what I realize oh, that's right, that's not normal.
Like right right, that's not, because for me it feels normal yeah, and then suddenly they're like, well what, what?
Well, what do you, what do you mean?
I'm like, oh man, that's right.
No see, okay here.
And then I'm like, I explain kind of real quick.
You know, I try and Slim it down as quickly as possible.
And then they're like, and then it's instead of them being like, oh, wow, that's interesting.
Now they're like, bro, like, how did you?
And then I realized.
Here we go.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Like, this guy worked.
I forgot.
This guy works.
He works in, you know, he works in the mailman.
He works in the warehouse at Walmart.
So the company that's shooting this documentary, producing this documentary, is it a six-part series?
Yes.
Do you know where it's going to be published?
Do they already have it sold?
Yeah, they said it's like, I want to say, I could be wrong, it was like four different networks throughout Europe.
Apparently they're like blocked off.
Like these two countries are part of this network.
And then the network, is it Prime Plus here in the United States or Prime?
And I guess you get so many channels with Prime, and one of them is like Discovery 2, which is like all documentaries.
Amazon Prime?
Oh, I'm sorry.
Amazon.
What did I just say?
Prime Plus.
Amazon.
I'm sorry.
It's Amazon.
So it's on, is it Amazon Prime?
Yeah.
So Amazon Prime, and you get so many channels with that.
And so you end up having like Discovery 2, which is like all documentaries, and it's going to be a part of that document.
And I think it comes out in December.
Oh, wow.
It's quick.
Right.
But I don't think mine's done.
I think they've done, they've edited like three of them, and they're still editing.
Right.
So, you know, so.
Nice.
I don't know how well we should have a watch party here.
We could watch that's awesome.
Listen, this one, this so the two male doctors were pretty cool, right?
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The female doctor, the psychiatrist, like she didn't like me.
Why?
She immediately started, you know, I got this whole Nancy Grace feel, you know, where she hated me as I walked in the room.
Like, and she just had this, I could just tell.
Disdain for me and and as we we talked and I realized i'm trying to be nice and funny and joke around and you know, be um uh, you know be charismatic or whatever charming, and i'm working, trying to work on her.
Yes, it's not working on her no, she's not having it.
And then at one point hey, can you hit the ac over there?
Yeah, it's die, i'm dying in here.
You know how to do it.
You've never done it, I. What what happens is, at one point she starts in with, as she's answering, asking questions she, she suddenly says, so, you involved quite a few, you know single mothers in your crime.
And I went, she said that yeah, and I went, she's a single mom no no, she's not no.
But she just like everything she was asking was normal yeah, and then suddenly boom, so anyway, she says something about mothers or women or single.
And I went, well, what?
And she goes, well, I understand, you involved several uh several uh females uh, in your crime.
And I went, well No, I said, I involved, there were people involved in my crime.
I said, a few of them happened to be single mothers.
But I said, but I didn't involve them.
Like, you know, like pick them out.
Yeah.
And I was like, she's like, well, you were dating them, right?
I was like, well, I've dated a few women, but most women in their 30s, I go, in the U.S., you're 30 years old and you're single.
You probably have a kid.
And she goes, not all of them have a kid.
I said, yeah, yeah, I understand.
Not all of them have a kid, but 80 or 90% of them have kids.
And she went, she said, Well, that seems like a high statistic.
I forget what, you know, I was just like, where are we going?
She's kind of argumentative.
And I was like, okay, so I said, listen, let me explain something.
I said, she's like, why would they want to be involved in your crime?
I said, because I was making money and I was dating them.
I go, and I'm not running a charity here.
I'm not just giving you money.
And they start saying, hey, can I do something?
Can I get involved?
And so if I happen to say, well, I mean, you could do this or you could do this and that would, we could, we would share in the profit or you'd make $50,000 or $100,000 or whatever, but you got to do this and this and this.
Because otherwise, I said, I don't need them.
Yeah.
So I said, I'm not going and saying, hey, I'm dating you.
Here's $50,000.
If you're saying, I want to make some money, and I say, okay, well, here's what I'm doing.
You can do this.
And they say, absolutely, I want to do that.
Then that's great.
I said, I said, now you're making it seem like I targeted them.
I said, which I absolutely did not.
And she's like, well, that's what, you know, what she basically starts making it sound like, like that's what it is or something.
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I was like, that's not what it is.
Like, I don't know where you're getting this.
Like, I mean, these women came up with this whole scheme to get a lesser sentence.
And I explained how that whole thing kind of took off.
And I said, I said, but you know what?
I said, you know what?
I said, listen.
Just to wrap this up real quick, I go, if that's what, if that, that, I said that, if you want to wrap this line of questioning up real quick, I said, absolutely.
I targeted single mothers.
I forced them to help me with their crimes.
I sent them all to prison.
I said, I left them with nothing.
I said, is that what you want?
Because I said, if that's what you want, that's what you want.
I'm good.
So it was something along those lines where I just snapped and she was like, well, I'm just, and then we went on.
It was just like, like, I'm, you know, oh, and this is the, and I even, I think I even said this.
I said, you know what the worst thing about this whole line of questioning is?
I said, Really?
You really went that far to say that to her?
Well, because, yeah, because she was a cynic.
Well, here's the issue is, look, you're accusing me of taking part in the Kennedy assassination.
And then if I say, what are you talking about?
Like, I wasn't, I didn't help kill John F. Kennedy.
What are you talking about?
That's ridiculous.
Like, I, you know what they, then they say, oh, you're unwilling to take responsibility?
Yes.
Just like I'm unwilling to take responsibility for the bombing of Pearl Harbor or the invasion of Iraq or whatever, all these other things that I had nothing to do with.
So it's hard to say that's not true without, then they just spin it.
And then you look like, oh, you're denying it.
So I said, look, I said, I'm willing to own up to everything I've ever done.
I said, and if I did that, I'd be laughing about it with you.
I'd say, yep, that's what I did.
Ha, fuck them.
I said, but I didn't.
I said, so I'm not willing to live under that yoke.
And that was it.
And she went, well, and then she kept going.
That chick hated my guts.
Like, I know she just disliked me.
And, you know, I tried to be nice to her, and everything was, she just seemed like she had a little dig every chick.
Was that the interview where you sent me the photo where you're like in that big room with the cool lighting where it looks like it's a psychiatrist's office or something?
Yes.
Very modern.
It's on the sound studio.
Blonde lady, right?
No, redhead.
She was redhead.
Redhead.
Okay.
Yeah.
I can't wait to see that now.
You really told me on that part of it.
She was super pretty.
She was like the worst kind of woman.
She was like pretty and smart.
Oh, yeah.
Horrible.
What a horrible combination.
You can never win when you're a girl.
No, you can't.
You have to feel horrible for any guy that dates her because she's also a psychiatrist.
So no matter what you do, she can spin it and twist it and tweak it.
And this is like, I can't win an argument with you.
The worst thing is to be dating a chick.
The worst thing is to be a dumb guy dating a smart chick.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Or maybe it could be the best thing, you know.
Or a smart guy, and she's smarter than you, right?
Which is even worse because you can't even fall back on being stupid, just like you guys were lashing, right?
Horrible, bro.
She's as bad as the psychiatrist at, um, at uh, your appointed psychiatrist, yeah.
No, the one at the one in Coleman, like she'd seen a thousand Matt Cox, and she was cocky, and so it's like there's nothing I could do.
This woman, I walked into her office, and I'm already just like the whole room's closing in on me.
It was like she knew everything about me, she'd already been.
taken me and categorized me and said, okay, bop, boom.
You sit down, she's like, so one of your parents was an alcoholic?
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Like, what are you talking about?
How would you know that?
So, your mother, was she?
How do you know these things?
Oh, my God.
Like, super smart.
Like, anything you say, she just twisted this way, twisted this way.
Of course, she was divorced.
Because that dude finally just said, I give up.
I wonder if the lady in Amsterdam who's interviewing you, if she was divorced, or I wonder what was her mother?
I don't know.
She was single.
Was she a single mother?
She wasn't a single mother because I even mentioned she.
Oh, you already said that, yeah.
Yeah, but not just that.
I had said something to her when we were talking about dating.
She's like, well, you don't have to date single mothers.
I said, the bulk of them are.
Are single mothers that I'm studying?
I'm not trying to discriminate.
What am I saying?
Easy for you to say.
I'm not trying to discriminate.
Thank you.
I'm telling you, I'm losing it.
So, you know, I said, so I said, I mean, what do I care?
I like kids.
If they have a kid, fine.
So, as we're talking, I said, you know, I said, let's face it.
I said, she goes, well, you could date, you know, what she started going on and on.
I said, well, let's face it.
I said, someone like you's not going to date me.
She goes, oh, no, I wouldn't date you.
And I was thinking, well, that, what, you know, like, I walked into that.
Like, that wasn't, you didn't have to say that.
I was just like, Jesus.
Should have hit you while you were down.
Was that filmed for the show?
Yeah, the whole thing.
You said they had me doing all these tests.
Like I'm answering.
On camera.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It was all messed up.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
It's crazy the amount of work and the time and the planning and the production that goes into those shows, man.
Yeah, this thing was nice.
This was a good show.
And they had a budget.
Like everything was top notch.
It's not like you can say, eh, they were chintzy here or they scrimped here.
No.
Did you hear about the new CBS show?
They just.
Announced called The Activist.
No, what is the hell?
It's a CBS.
Uh, is they have, I guess they've already produced it, but it's a new show that they're getting ready to release called The Activist.
And it's a game show, it's a competition show for uh, for activists, so for like, for like activists for social justice or oh my god, or climate change, and they compete.
It's a game show.
Not a game show.
It's like a competition show.
Kind of like American Ninja Warrior.
They follow you around for three weeks and see who does the most outrageous thing.
You know, like the cooking shows where they compete or like Survivor.
How do you compete with that live?
I don't know.
We'd have to watch the trailer.
But I could, you know, I was.
If you think about how long it takes those shows to develop and they're just now announcing it, they must have come up with the idea during the whole George Floyd era riots.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
They had some fucking executive meeting.
Some guy saw some dollar signs.
Let's jump on this.
How can we make money on this?
You want to hear a crazy show?
Yeah.
Activism.
But people are going to get bored.
So we make it a competition show about activism.
Yeah.
It sounds like it.
I was just listening to Tim Dillon.
He just released a new podcast and he talks about it for an extensive amount of time.
And he fucking goes off on it.
He has the funniest takes on this shit.
Oh my God.
It's.
I can't even imagine what it's going to be like, but it seems like it's going to be pretty good.
You know what?
The funny thing is, every time I'll hear about some show like that, I'm like, that's never going to last.
And then it runs eight years or something.
You remember ER?
Yeah.
I remember ER was coming out, and I was like, that show's not going to do well.
We're talking about emergency room, people getting hurt.
That's too much stress.
Nobody wants to watch that.
It went like 10 years or something.
It was outrageous.
It was like the tops.
It's like, I can't pick a show.
Yeah.
So I'm sitting here thinking that sounds stupid to me.
It'll probably be on for the next 12 years.
Yeah, I don't even watch any shows really, except for the only really like cable network shows I watch, just sports.
It's just sports.
You know what I mean?
Like football or basketball.
Yeah, but those aren't really shows.
I don't watch any shows.
Well, the only content I watch on cable or network is sports.
But other than that, it's just Netflix or like Amazon documentaries and shit.
I watch a ton of documentaries.
Or I'll watch maybe, I don't know, I do watch a lot of that.
Like, definitely watch a lot of World War II stuff.
Really?
Yeah.
Why World War II stuff?
I like watching that stuff sometimes.
The new ones, when they put them in color.
That whole series?
Those are sick.
I've watched that whole series like three times.
Yeah.
Which ones are really cool.
It's a thing called World War II in color.
Really?
They take all the old black and white footage and put it in color.
Oh, it's pretty gnarly to see.
Is that new?
It's been on for a while.
I mean, it's the same story.
I just started watching this new 9-11 documentary they just released on 9-11.
Oh, I didn't.
I've seen it.
I haven't watched it yet.
There's even one on, what's the artist?
Come on, with the Afro.
Bob Ross.
I just watched that.
Did you?
Somebody tell me it was good.
It was good.
It was pretty good.
Really?
I should watch it.
It's almost a little like, what's the Tiger guy?
Tiger King?
It has a little Joe Exotic spin to it because these people he gets involved with, they try to.
Take all his copyrighted name and his work and shit, and he leaves it to his son, and his hair is just a perm.
But it's actually a pretty good show.
You should watch it.
Plus, he's a painter.
You would really like it.
Wasn't he in like North Florida?
Yeah, he was in Florida somewhere.
Yeah, I think he was in like around Jacksonville area.
Maybe.
Yeah, it was Florida somewhere.
I don't know.
That's wild.
There's like these other painters.
They paint flowers, he paints landscapes.
They're like the competition, and they, you know what I mean?
That's funny.
Fucking the guy who's selling the books and TV shows.
Fucking screws the other guys over.
Tom's doing daffodils now?
Yeah.
Damn it.
I'm going to start doing boats.
What?
Bob was pretty cool, though, man.
He's a super humble, like just super chill guy, all happiness.
It was pretty cool.
He's a weird guy, but cool guy.
He reminds me like almost who's the infomercial guy?
Billy Mays.
He reminds you of Billy Mays?
Billy Mays ish.
Billy Mays was not laid back at all.
Yeah, but he was like super nice and happy, friendly.
Marketing show because there was this other painter in Europe or something who had the show before Bob, and he but he was like crazy, he was like German and Russian, so he's always shouting and painting and shit.
Bob's like, I'm gonna do a show and be the opposite of this guy, I'm gonna be the nice guy, and all the women want to watch his shows.
Could you imagine some just meth'd out Nazi doing art?
That's what this guy was like, bro.
We're gonna do a tree, yeah.
Let's scrape here, we're gonna take a little cream.
Bob Ross, when did he first come on the scene?
I don't know, I mean, that was way before my time, gotta be in the 70s, right?
Yeah, it was back there.
So, like the whole hippies movement, the whole hippie movement.
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It was shit.
Maybe just after, like this, or roughly during the same time, but he didn't seem that hippie ish to me.
No, he wasn't very hippie ish.
No?
Not hippie.
No, but he was very hippie.
Did he have his own TV show?
No, he had his own show.
His own show, right?
His own show that they put on TV.
Obviously, not network.
I didn't mean to say network.
Did he have his own YouTube channel?
Not quite.
Bob, that's a good one.
You should watch it.
What's another one?
Are you still doing art?
Yeah.
I just watched a video.
You just watched a video on me doing, I did Biggie, two Biggie Smalls.
Oh, I wasn't watching it.
You were showing him.
Because you don't care.
Because when I send it to you, when I email, I texted it to you, you don't watch them.
Dude, I'm so fucking busy.
Stop.
I'm just sitting watching a YouTube video.
Stop.
He looks at it and goes, eh.
He goes, oh, Cox.
I don't need him.
I'm raising a kid.
I have no time for nothing.
Your wife's raising a kid.
You've got a full time nanny.
You come home and you, oh, listen, I have a buddy who literally, his wife makes him spend an hour with his daughter every day.
One hour?
That's it?
And he'll call me and complain.
He's like, what a piece of shit.
Listen, bro, he's like, I'm almost done with this.
I got like 15 more minutes.
And she's like, get off the phone.
He's like, all right, all right, one minute, one minute.
Listen, I got 15 more minutes with this kid.
Oh, that's sad.
That's fucked.
He'll call me back in 15 minutes.
He'll be like, It's like an hour.
I mean, she's like four months old.
She can't even hold her head up.
What are we going to do?
What bonding?
She doesn't even know I'm here.
She didn't know who I am.
It's true.
It's like, I mean, can I come back when she's seven?
Like, okay, maybe we have something to talk about.
It's horrible.
And it's horrible, Danny.
I hear you.
I see the look on your face.
Oh, yeah.
It's horrible.
It's sad.
It is sad.
But it's a majority.
It's a majority of parents, unfortunately.
Yes.
My wife knows.
I mean, I'm not, I don't really want to.
But there's a lot of even moms who are just like they have children young toddlers two-year-olds and they're just like they just want to get away from them They're just looking for escape from they want to be they want to have a kid, but they don't want to be a mother exactly right.
It's fucking sad Well, anyway, it's the problem.
It's the problem with the world, I guess.
Yeah, the biggest problem is parenting.
That's what creates all the problems bad parenting creates bad people.
Hmm, maybe some case in point what he's got look at you.
He's got a job exactly.
Yeah, yeah He's doing all right.
There's an occasional DUI and arrest and some domestic violence.
Did you have good parents?
Me?
I had.
I mean, I'm not getting flagged at the airport.
Not great parents.
What?
I'm not getting flagged at the airport.
I had a great mother, and she just got stuck with this guy, my father.
Did you ever meet your dad?
Yeah.
Yeah, he was there the whole time I was growing up.
Oh, was he?
Yeah.
He wasn't that great of a guy.
There are people that will tell you he was a phenomenal person.
He was an amazing person, you know, and there's his family.
You know, it's just like growing up, you know, he's an alcoholic and there are screaming matches and alcoholic binges and throwing bottles and calling, you know, your kids' names.
And, you know, it's, you know what I'm saying?
Like my mom, like she's got four kids.
Like, what's she going to do?
Leave?
She can't leave.
How's she going to support four kids?
You know, and he was just belligerent and he was just, you know, he was an asshole.
But you talk to any of the people that worked with him, and they'll tell you he's amazing.
He was amazing.
What did he do for a living?
He was a state farm manager.
So he would hire you to become a state farm agent, and you're showing up driving a 10 year old Volkswagen Beetle that's rusted out.
And two years later, you're living in a $300,000 or $400,000 house, driving a $90,000 Mercedes, and going on a month's vacation every year and just kicking ass.
Where's this at?
What do you mean?
State Farm.
State Farm.
It's here.
So, and so they were like, you know, those tampa?
They're everywhere.
No.
Yes, he lived in T.
Yeah, I grew up in Tampa.
So, but I mean, and he had like 25 agents and they all, look, his agents were like always, they had this thing called like the Millionaires Club.
Like they were always in the top, at the top of the whole country.
Like they're always winning the trip through.
So they'll tell you, he changed my life.
He was amazing.
He was an amazing salesperson, amazing motivator, amazing this, amazing.
And he was.
But, you know.
He was like the Belfort.
Not when he came home.
Right.
But when he came home, you know, it was a different story.
Or he was great and he was great for a year and then he'd go on a three-week drinking binge.
Listen, it got so bad State Farm stuck him in multiple rehabs.
Had our whole family go to like Al Anon.
You know what Al Anon is?
So you have AA.
And then for the families of people in AA, you have Al Anon.
So our whole family, it's like now my dad's got 45 days in this, you know, whatever, this rehab.
And now somehow or another, I just got sentenced to 45 days where I got to come twice a week and hold hands with all these people and talk about how horrible their alcoholic parent is.
It's like, what the fuck?
How did I get stuck with this?
He's got the problem.
I don't have a problem.
But yeah, and that's the whole thing.
It's like you can be amazing in one aspect of your life and just a complete shit in another.
Is your dad still alive?
No.
Died when I was in prison.
Died when you were in prison?
Did you ever rip off State Farm out of spite?
No, no.
Did you think about it?
No, I'm not sure how I would have done that.
I mean, actually, I'm sure how I could have done it.
Well, it's funny.
I mean, it's a sad thing, but some of the most successful, the fact of the matter is, some of the most successful and some of the most creative people have drug and alcohol problems or have addictive personalities or have vices that eventually send them down the spiral, the dark spiral.
Right.
So, you know, it's hard.
A lot of people can't balance that.
A lot of people can't balance having a successful career, being really good at one thing, and balance another aspect of their life, balance their family life and their professional life.
Yeah, nobody's.
You got to, you know, it's got to give somewhere.
And in his case, it was, you know, his family.
And it's funny growing up, like some of the best people I've ever met have been alcoholics and drug addicts.
Oh, without a doubt.
You know, I agree.
I mean, I know a bunch of guys that are in AA and, you know, great.
I know a bunch of guys that have drug problems that I think are great, great people.
Um, I was just thinking, like, I remember growing up, like, my parents would get into fights and they might, they would threaten, my mom would threaten to leave my dad and they'd get into arguments and it was, there was going to be a divorce and this and that.
And like, you know, and like my brothers and sisters were like, no, let's, you know, don't get a divorce.
Like, you know, this and this, it'll be an issue and this and this.
And I was like, the only one out of them was like, let's go.
I'm done with this dude.
Like, what is with you guys?
Really?
Oh, yeah.
I was like, remember one time my dad brought us, drove up.
My mom was like, gonna leave, like i'm leaving, i'm taking the kids, and he drove us into like the projects, like a really really rundown area where the houses were just crap and there's like houses like, or there's like cars on concrete blocks.
I mean there's trash in the street, like it's a rough looking area, and we're driving through my.
My dad goes.
If your mother leaves me, we can afford two houses like this.
This is the kind of neighborhood you'll be growing up in.
I'm terrified.
Like we're like this is wow, he's selling it.
Oh, he's really, I mean, and he goes and you'll have to, you'll all have to make the decision.
I remember my mom said, Oh, George, don't say that.
Don't tell them that.
And he said, Your mother will have, you will all have to make the decision on who you want to live with.
And I, before the, who you want to live with.
And I said, Mom.
I'm like eight years old, nine years old.
And I'm like, Mom, I want to live with mom.
Mom.
Like the look on his face was like, Jesus.
The words were still lingering in the air.
Like it was like, Yeah, I'm good.
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
So never had a good relationship with him, huh?
No, no.
He died.
So he died, I think, in 2014.
And my mom died last month.
Oh, man.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
I'm sorry to hear that.
I've been wanting to do like on my channel.
I want to do a video because people leave the.
Did you ever see the videos where I mimic my mom's voice?
Where I do the whole, you know.
Yeah, I've heard you do it on here.
You've done it on here.
Yeah.
You've called your mom on this podcast.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we've had her on the phone a couple of times.
So sweet.
Rest in peace, Ms. Cox.
So I want to do a video on my thing because I've got guys leaving comments in the comment section saying, bro, you got to do another video on your mom.
And then people will leave.
Comments on the mom videos.
Like new subscribers will go back and start watching all my stuff and then, when they get the mom videos like bro, your mom's a gangster bro, your mom's awesome, like you got to do.
And it's like that's been going on for over a month now, month and a half now, and i'm sitting there thinking I need to do a video but like for a month like I couldn't even talk about it, I tear up I, I was, I was just I get upset and uh.
But you know honestly, like I got out of prison, like I was desperate to try.
You know I wanted to get out of prison because you know my mom's coming to see me every two weeks, like and she's old, she'd had a couple strokes Like, I want to get out.
I want to at least get out and have her see me free.
Does that make sense?
Like, I don't want her to die thinking I'm in prison.
Like, I want to be able to get out and see where she sees, hey, he's doing the right thing.
So, you know, I'm going to see her three days a week in the morning.
I had breakfast with her three mornings a week, and then I would have dinner with her once a week.
Wow.
So I'd go get her, like, you know, Olive Garden.
You're like the picture perfect son.
No, honestly, my sister.
Like, my sister would see her every day, sometimes twice a day.
My sister handled all, that's what, and like anytime, anything.
That's a lot.
Oh, bro.
It's, it's, yeah.
She, my sister.
Still breakfast three times a week.
That's a lot, bro.
I mean, yeah, but that's, you're a great son.
But stop.
We, that's also the reason I didn't get, like people were like, oh, why don't you, you know, why don't you get a job doing that?
Really?
Because if I work at FedEx, I can't see my mother three days a week.
I can't have dinner.
Like I can't say, hey, look, my mom, she would call me in the middle of the day.
You know, it's one o'clock in the morning or one o'clock in the day and you answer the phone.
Hey, mom, she would FaceTime me.
How are you doing?
You know, and I'd be like, I'm painting.
What are you painting?
You know, and I'd show her.
Yeah.
So, you know, that kind of stuff.
Like, so, you know, my sister was, you know, the top notch.
Like, but, you know, I was trying to be what I could be.
But do you think that's why you're such a good son?
Because your sister was setting such a high bar.
I've heard people say that, bro.
I was a shit of a fucking son.
So, you know, because I got out and I went to go see my mother after she came to see me in prison every two weeks.
Right.
Oh, she did?
Yeah.
Every two weeks she saw me for 12 years.
And so I got out and I'd go see her.
She would drive to Coleman?
Until she had the stroke.
And then when she had the stroke, she would make my brother take her or she would make one of her nurses take her.
Oh, absolutely.
She was a fucking gangster.
Wow.
She wasn't fucking around.
That's badass.
And if somebody couldn't do it, she said, well, then I'll pay somebody to bring me.
We're going.
Well, mom, you're tired.
You had the stroke.
You don't do it.
Well, then I'll sleep in the car.
And they'd say, you know, and we have to wait in that area.
And, you know, and they'd say, well, then I'm already sitting down in my chair.
I'll wait.
Well, you know, and then what if this, what if that, well, you know, what if they won't let you bring your chair in?
Remember that one time they wouldn't let you bring your chair in?
Right.
And I used their chair.
Yeah.
No, she's just like, how old was she when she passed?
91.
91.
Wow.
Right.
So, you know, so I would go there and we would go for, well, we'd eat, she would eat and I'd drink coffee and we'd eat breakfast, whatever.
I told you that she saw the commercial.
Remember I said she saw the commercial?
That's the lifeline.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was hilarious.
So then I would walk her around.
So I remember.
It was on a Monday.
No, it was a Friday.
So on that Friday, I went there and we walked around the whole compound, right?
When I say walked around, I pushed her in the chair, and her nurse would come with me.
Her nurse is named Celine.
Super sweet.
She loves Celine.
So we would walk around the whole compound.
And I remember we walked around once.
And then for some reason I went, let's do another lap.
And I'm like, I'd never do another lap.
Like it's hot.
Like I'm ready to go.
And she's hot.
So we go around another lap.
And then we go back and we get her out of the chair and she sits down on her bed.
And as soon as she sat down, she went, kind of rocked a little bit.
And Celine goes, are you dizzy?
You know, Miss Cox, are you dizzy?
You know, she goes, I think she's dizzy.
And I went, no, I said, mom, are you dizzy?
And she looked up at me.
And her face slumped and her eyes shifted to the side.
Oh, and she just leaned into me and I was like she had a massive stroke.
So we laid her down real quick, took her vital signs, bro heart like a like, like a bull, like just boom, boom.
But just fine, heart's fine, everything's good.
So we call my sister.
What, what do we do?
He wants to call 911.
So we call 911.
They come and get her.
She's in the hospital within 15, 20 minutes.
Hospital's right down the street.
So bring her to the hospital.
They say we can give her a drug, Maybe it breaks it up.
They give her the drug.
It doesn't work.
Now what do you do?
They're like, we can put her in the, you know, we can put her upstairs.
We can make her comfortable.
We can do this.
We're like, no, no, no, she's not.
Like, we can give her a feeding to, like, at this point, she can barely communicate.
She can, she can't swallow.
So, you know, she had a, I forget what they call it, but there's a form where it says, like, you do not resuscitate.
You do not do anything that will continue my life.
if I can't do these things.
And so if I can't feed myself and do certain things that you don't, don't do any, no procedures that will, that will extend my life.
So that's a feeding tube.
That's like, there's all these things.
And they're like, well, we can put her upstairs in the ICU.
We're like, no, no, no, no.
She has 24 hour care.
We'll bring her home.
And they were like, we can bring her to hospice.
And we're like, she has 24 hour care.
Like she loves her, her, her nurses.
She had a great nurse team.
So they bring her back and hospice comes in and they just monitor her.
Does it make sense?
Like they're not there.
They come in once a day.
They call a couple times a day and they come in and hospice is amazing.
Like if you've never been through it, like some people will tell you, oh, that's horrible.
Listen, I don't know anybody's had a bad experience with hospice.
Like they're awesome.
So they come in.
What's going on?
They talk to her or they try and talk to her.
She can't talk, obviously.
They basically give her pain medication, but she can't eat.
She can't feed herself.
So basically you're waiting there.
You're changing her.
You're, you know, you're just waiting with her and you're talking to her.
And then and they just, they give her. pain medication.
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And so after a few days, she kind of slipped into, you know, like not a coma, but she just was sleeping.
You could wake her up, but even then it's like she's woken up and she can barely, she can, you know, maybe pump your hand or something.
And so then like the last three days, like I was there like the whole time for literally like that, you know, so it was like a week.
So it was actually one, exactly one week because it was the following Thursday.
So the following Thursday, and I was there, like I think I left other than going home to go sleep and come back.
I left one time to do a Zoom call and came back.
And so it was me, my sister, my brother.
And for a week, like her family came in.
Like this is it.
Keep in mind, too, she's been in hospice before.
And after two weeks, she just got better.
Wow.
She'd had a massive stroke.
I mean, listen, she's a Viking.
Like she's a gangster, bro.
Like suddenly she just, one day she's sitting up and saying, I want to play bridge.
What's going on?
Why am I not at home?
And you're like, what the hell's going on?
Like, we're planning a funeral.
Oh, my God.
What are you doing?
And she's like, I want to be in my apartment.
I don't want to be here.
You know, you're like, what's going on?
Jesus Christ.
So I remember my brother-in-law, he's funny.
He goes, look, they have hospice come in.
They give us all a big talk.
You know, we're all, my ex-wife's there.
She's a fucking mess.
Crying.
She loves my mom.
Crying.
Like, my sister, everybody's upset and everything.
We're sitting there.
And my brother-in-law says, can I say something?
He said, I just want everybody here to know.
There is a good chance a week from now she's feeding the fishes out in the pond and asking to be taken for a walk.
He is, I'm just saying she's a Viking.
We all know that.
Bro, we just burst out laughing.
It was so, like, it was so boom.
He's like, so I know you're upset.
This doesn't necessarily mean what we think.
We've been through this before.
Well, they had.
I wasn't there.
So, yeah, so I was there all the whole time, held her hand, and finally, you know, her breath gets.
You know, she starts turning blue.
You know, her breaths get deeper or further and further apart to the point where, I mean, like she stops for like a minute.
And then you think, oh my gosh, she's not, like it's been a minute.
And all of a sudden she goes, takes a deep breath and then stops again.
Man, that's crazy.
Bro, it got to a point where it was like, it got to a point where it's like a minute, minute and a half where you're like, like you know it's coming.
I remember I walked outside.
I said to my sister, she was on the phone.
I go, Helen, you got to come in, come in.
We walked back in, sat down.
She took her last breath.
I grabbed her hand, took her last breath.
Minute and a half later, maybe two, three minutes later, be honest, her nurse, Celine, goes up, listens to her chest, bursts into tears, runs out of the room.
And she just never breathed again.
Wow.
But here's the thing like, I was upset about it, but it was the best.
Look, like my mom said this, you know, life's dangerous.
Nobody gets out alive.
Like, you're going to die.
In the game of life, 91 died surrounded by her family.
Yeah.
I mean, she fucking won, bro.
Yeah.
Like, it doesn't get better than that.
Of all the possible scenarios, that's the best you can hope for.
Absolutely.
So, yeah, it was it.
Really thought I was going to be able to get through this.
I've told this story a few times.
I think I've told it once without tearing up.
But, so yeah, that was it.
So it was, you know, a week later, we had the celebration of life or whatever.
She was in an urn, so it's not like a.
Thing, you don't view the body.
And then, like a week later, she was.
Um, we buried her with my dad in um Florida National Cemetery or something.
My dad was in the Korean War so um, they put her urn with his urn there.
Wow nice, and that was it.
Wow yeah, so I got to get out of prison, I got to be with her for two years.
Best possible, like best possible scenario right, right.
Most mothers probably don't get to experience that much time with their kids, especially towards the end of their life.
Listen, and I was such a shit as a son.
If I hadn't gone to prison, I never would have spent that much time with her.
Right.
Because I wouldn't have felt obligated and I had a completely different frame of mind where I'd have been like, well, I'm living my life, man.
I'm living, it's like, well, right, right.
Then you go to prison and you get your priorities straight and you realize like every two weeks, bro.
Like I think she missed maybe two or three weeks when she, I mean, when she had the stroke.
So, like, it was like a month and a half.
Like, she missed a few weeks, and then it was like, boom, I'm coming.
On my way.
Fucking.
You're in a wheelchair.
Well, I've seen people in wheelchairs.
Yeah, they let them in.
That's awesome.
She's a badass, that's crazy man.
Yeah, I wonder what it must be like for to see your son or your child, or whoever it is, go to prison for that long, for that long.
What it must be like.
You know what I mean, because I'm sure you know, oh yeah, she's they.
They've got to be brutal, especially when it's your own kid.
You'd be like oh, what did I do?
You know what I mean.
There's so much like reflection that you must do.
But I mean honestly, like you know that's, you know how they, it's the whole nature versus nurture, like you know.
But, to be honest, like it's, in my opinion i've heard other, i've heard doctors and um and you know geneticists and say, say it's really.
You'd be shocked how much uh, nature it really is.
You know what i'm saying.
Like it's a lot of nature, like it's more nature than it's, not 50, 50.
it's like 80 20.
like you could be the perfect parent to this child and he still is just a psychopath just out of the box yeah yeah there was just nothing you could probably do that is crazy isn't it It's also crazy how some kids, like young kids, come out.
Like, people have two kids, and one will be like completely calm, you know, and relaxed.
The next one will be completely fucking bouncing off the wall, psychopath.
Well, you know, they have all those twin studies where they've got like twins or triplets that were all separated and moved around the country.
And then they find them, and there's like three women, and all of them are nurses.
And like, one of them was raised, you know, in a, Family of like doctors, you know, one of them was raised basically like in a trailer park where their whole family was drug addicts and they ran out of prison, you know.
And one of them was it's like, we they're all nurses, like, how did you all of them manage to get through school and become nurses?
Like, you know, I'm saying, like, there's all these nature, right?
There's these guys that, like, boom, these two male twins separated.
One was raised in foster care, the other one was raised with parents that were millionaires, you know.
They both end up owning businesses that are similar and they're doing basically at the same level.
They have are married, they have a couple kids, like.
They both teach, you know, Little League.
It's like, that's insane.
Like, there's all these studies like that.
It's in you.
Right.
That is weird.
It is.
I think that's super odd.
You know?
It's like when I first had my dog as a puppy, we used to take it to, like, this doggy daycare during the day.
And it's an Australian shepherd, a sheep-herding dog.
And even it never, like, herded sheep before, you know?
But we took it there, and it's got all the other cameras.
What happened?
His camera died.
Sorry.
Suddenly, it's got all the other dogs in a corner.
He's running around touching them.
Yeah, so they call my mom and they say, You got to come pick him up.
He can't come here anymore.
They say, We put him with the small dogs.
He's cornered them all and herds them in a circle.
We put him with the big dogs.
He does the same shit.
Nobody wants to hang out with him.
Yeah, but when my little teacup Yorkie comes around, the Yorkie herds the sheep dog all around the pool.
That's like a fly buzzing on a cow shit, bro.
My friend Stacy's dog does the same thing.
He's constantly nudging me, trying to stop it.
Yeah.
Constantly trying to herd me and just.
It's just in you.
Yeah.
It's in some people, dogs, animals, everything.
So funny.
That is weird, isn't it?
What are your brothers doing?
I was thinking, this better go somewhere.
When you started, I thought, but okay.
Yeah, it was just what it made me think of.
What are your brothers and sisters doing?
I mean, my brother works, like, he's a manager at a recreation center.
My sister is a manager at my brother in law's law firm and raised three boys.
My brother has four girls.
Um,.
So, no more, no con artistry.
No, they're all adopted.
Oh, really?
All three of my siblings were adopted.
Have any biological brothers and sisters?
No okay, all three of them were adopted.
My mother went in for a hysterectomy at the age of 40.
The doctor opened her up, her ovaries were spongy.
And he was like, did we give her a pregnancy test?
And they were like, no, she can't have kids.
And they were like he's like give her a pregnancy test because her ovaries are spongy.
Like they went and they tested, came back boom, she's pregnant, so we're up.
Stitched her up.
She woke up my dad's there and she said, how'd the surgery go?
And he said, you're pregnant.
And she said I came in for a hysterectomy you're talking about.
And then came Matt Cox, a miracle baby.
Yeah, Weird, huh?
Like she had been told she was barren.
And she was 40.
Yeah.
That's late.
Keep in mind.
Yeah, she's been trying to have kids since they got married in their early 20s.
They ended up adopting three kids.
Before they had you.
Right.
And then they were like, well, I wasn't even the bit like that.
She can't get pregnant.
Right.
Period.
So.
That's wild.
That is weird.
That is a crazy story.
I wonder if you're somehow related to Elizabeth Holmes.
I don't know.
Is that the segue?
You like that segue?
It was forced, but it was good.
Maybe Elizabeth.
I was wondering where that was going.
That could have gone anywhere.
Maybe we were separated.
You and Elizabeth were separated at birth.
You guys don't look anything alike, though, so it's not possible.
You know, what's funny, though, is yeah, she, like you were telling me about, because this whole time, like she's supposed to have been going to trial.
It's been years, right?
How many has it been?
A couple years?
Yeah, it's been two, three years.
I don't know, but I think it's close to five years.
Five years?
Yeah.
And now she's finally going, I mean, and I remember I told you she was trying to say like, she was trying to do like, was it that she was like a narcissist or something?
She was trying to blame it on some kind of psychological problem.
And they were like, it's like the court's not having that.
We're not, you can't present.
Well, I heard that she had some sort of like me too defense that she was being sexually manipulated by Sonny, her partner.
But that's what you said.
That's what you said.
That's her new defense.
Her new defense, right?
But you watched the documentaries on her, right?
There's so many.
I listened to the podcast.
There was like a podcast.
Oh, yeah.
I've listened to three documentaries.
Some of them are short.
Some are like 15 minutes.
And then there's one that's like 45 minutes or so.
Like it's so over the top.
Like there are so many interviews with people that worked for her where she's coming to them and telling them, you're going to do this or you're going to say, or stop putting those in.
Or, you know, any of these that are negative, you know, we send them off and retest them.
We obviously like she's running this whole scam.
So, I mean, if anybody doesn't know about the scam, is that she went to what, Berkeley?
For like one, I don't remember for like a year or something or two semesters or whatever.
I guess two semesters kind of is a year.
So for like a year, she went to like Berkeley and dropped out because she was going to come up what she wanted to come up with.
First, it started off as a patch that would constantly give you medication based on your blood.
Like it would constantly see like how much, let's say insulin do you need and constantly monitor and that sort of thing.
And then it turned into or any type of medication really.
And then it turned into she wanted to come up with a machine that you with just a, a, a.
Pinprick of blood, it would do like 140 tests.
Right.
And it was small and compact.
You could do it and it would be in your local Walgreens and you wouldn't need all these expensive tests.
And so it would tell you what kind of cancer you had or if you had, you know, smallpox or whatever.
So, and so she started this company called Theranos.
Theranos.
And she immediately, like, she got like a million dollars from like a neighbor or something.
Then she got another investor and then another one.
And then she started doing some advertising and then she did this.
Next thing you know, she got into like some women's magazine.
And next thing you know, she's getting in millions and millions of dollars.
Right.
And she had met a guy.
She'd gone to China, I think, and met this guy, Sonny, who was Indian, happened to meet him on some kind of a, some kind of a thing, met him.
And now he ended up coming to the United States and helping her open this company.
Then they started dating.
He's like, what, 20 or 30 years older than her?
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah.
He was already a successful investor or something.
Right.
And not in her league.
Like, you know.
Like to me, I thought she was she's super I think she's super attractive so you know she's plain.
Okay.
She's plain, but I think she's She's not unattractive.
She's not unattractive.
No, so she's not smokeshot.
She's not look in comparison to Sonny She's a 10.
Yeah, she's a dime piece compared to not really and I've seen uglier dudes in Sonny score way hotter chicks than her Well, he's also he's also got like 20 million dollars.
He was right.
He can do better for 20 million for 20 million you think yeah, well, yeah, if you want to just basically you just have to have him sign a contract I'm just putting you on payroll Yeah.
Of course.
Anyway, everybody does.
So, you know, so they end up starting this company.
He comes in and he's like a little tyrant.
He was a little tyrant, supposedly.
And he's threatening people and they're signing non disclosure agreements and they're threatening lawsuits.
And, but they started getting all these big names on the board because if you can say, hey, Bill Clinton is on the board, it's.
You can raise money easier.
Right.
It's easier.
Like, oh, well, how do I know this is for real?
Well, Bill Clinton thinks it's for real.
He's on our board of directors.
Right.
Right.
And one of the main problems was a lot of the money they were raising.
They were.
They were spending a significant amount of the money on advertising and not actually making this thing work.
Well, not actually on the product itself.
They're spending their money getting their name out there and creating a big name in the media.
But they are still putting money into the problem.
They're still dumping money into it.
But you do understand that the technology doesn't work.
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You can't do what she's saying you can do.
Even the machines they finally came up with out of 140 some odd tests, it could do like.
18 tests.
And even then, half of those were in the test.
They could do those from, yeah, right, from one drop of blood, right?
One finger prick.
Right.
And a lot of those, they were still sending off samples.
A lot of them, they were taking full blood, whatever, vials and sending them off.
Like, the whole purpose, what did they get?
Did they get Walgreens for 140 million?
Was that what it was?
Something like that.
Something like that.
Oh, yeah.
They hit Walgreens for a lot.
Here's the thing, too.
Like, you're not even telling them what the technology is.
Like, they're like, how does.
This work and that work and they're like she's like, oh, it's proprietary, I can't, we can't discuss that, but we basically it's, and she'd give the basic, a very broad basic explanation.
That kind of seems like it works if you don't really know what you're talking about.
But if it, there's a biologist there or there was even some lady there was in the podcast I listened to.
There was even just some lady who you know, lived in, lived by herself on a single income and I guess she had like some retirement saved up and she invested a hundred thousand of her own retirement into the company and lost it all.
Yeah that's, and that's just left and right.
Like this is, this is, that's what's just happening, left and right.
So then eventually it collapses.
Eventually the whole thing collapses.
Like finally it comes down to it.
We can't provide the machines.
We don't have the machines.
They can't do what we said, what we've been saying they can do.
We can't get them.
They don't, even the ones we've come up with that are like twice as big as the ones we've been showing you.
They only do like 15 or 18 tests out of 140.
Yeah.
It's just not working.
And so the whole thing starts to collapse.
And then the, well, there's an investigation.
There's.
Right.
I forget who the big politician is.
I just can't get past.
You can't get past the fucking fake ass turtleneck and the voice.
That weird voice.
She starts mimicking talking like a man.
What if she was mimicking what the she they said she she was trying to mimic Steve Jobs with the turtleneck turtleneck and Zuckerberg with the voice and the she kind of looks like Zuckerberg like the beady eyes.
She does that so she and every once in a while she would slip like they have her on recordings where she would slip for a second and then she comes right back into it.
I wonder if she's going to change that for the trial because you would think she'd be more she'd be more likable and innocent being like a girl more more feminine.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And now trying to be like, hey guys, I'm innocent.
It's just, it was just, it's just stupid.
She's taking this to trial.
Oh, they're picking the jury right now.
Oh, yeah.
She's done.
Like, I'll bet you they went to her and they offered her a plea of.
That's your cue, Ryan.
What?
Yeah, he's got to fix the camera.
You can fix the camera.
What was I going to say?
Oh, yeah.
I'll bet you.
I was going to say, that's the wrong one.
Yeah, brothers.
Better picture Help her out.
So this is the Wall Street Journal article.
Elizabeth Holmes, Theranos trial pictures inside the courtroom saga.
So they're picking the jury, and I heard that they're having a lot of trouble whittling down the jury because they're asking them, okay, what do you know?
Do you know anything about Elizabeth Holmes?
And a lot of them know about her story.
They're like, yeah, I know she wears turtlenecks and changes her voice.
Okay, you're disqualified.
Right.
You know what I mean?
They want to find an unbiased jury, and they're having trouble doing that.
Yeah, well, that's every big case.
Everybody knows her story.
Well, I mean, look, you understand they probably went to her and offered her 20 years.
That's probably what happened.
They probably came to her and said, Look, she's not going to do any time.
Male, huh?
I don't think so.
In her mind.
In her mind.
And her husband, you know who the guy is?
She's going to prison.
She just had a baby.
How much baby did she get?
I think she gets 30 to 40 years.
Really?
It's a ton of.
I mean, these are people's retirement funds.
She's been lying.
She lied for years.
Basically like a Madoff.
She threatened, worse than Madoff.
She's threatening.
Worse than Madoff?
People are leaving.
People are saying, This is what's happening.
You're lying about this.
These tests.
And she's telling them, we're going to sue you.
We're going to, like, I mean, left.
One of the guys committed suicide.
Oh, yeah.
One guy that has to do a deposition, she's pressuring him to not say what he has to.
If he's being honest, I have to explain that you're fudging all of these numbers.
Like, and so what happens is they put so much pressure on him.
He's so afraid to testify, doesn't want to lie.
He goes home and kills himself.
He's an older.
Oh, I think they were going to fire him, too.
I think he had been fired.
They were going to fire him.
And they, they, she was, He was saying, like, if I tell the truth, she's going to ruin my life.
And he just commits suicide.
So he was, yeah, he was a lot older.
Right.
His wife was, I remember that in the podcast.
I was fucked up.
I mean, it's like this chick has been blatantly forging documents, forging test results, threatening anybody who dares to try and expose her.
And then they probably went to her and said, look, we'll give you a 20 year deal.
Like, that's a gift.
But to her, In her position where she's living in a multi million dollar house, she's living in a 124 million dollar house.
Same nice.
Her guy, the guy she's with now, he's like an heir to some big hotel empire, and they just had a baby.
Can't so I mean, look, she's setting herself up for like, she's setting herself up.
You think the baby was only for the fence?
Oh, absolutely.
She's that bad of a sociopath.
Absolutely.
I mean, she listened, they probably offered her 20 years, and in her mind, she's thinking.
I can't do 20 years.
Now, if she had already been, if she'd been being held in the Marshalls holdover for a couple of years instead of being let out on bond, she would have gotten her head right.
Like in her position, she can't fathom being in prison.
Like to her, that's hell and she'll never survive it.
But if she'd actually been held for a year or so, she'd realize, I can do this.
Like right now, her expectations of life are so high.
Yeah.
She can't imagine it.
But if she had got them knocked down, like look, she'll be suicidal for a year or so in prison.
But after a couple of years, she'll start to realize her expectations of life will come down.
She'll start to appreciate a cup of coffee.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
You don't think.
All of the wealthy people that she's connected with, all of the lobbyists and politicians she probably knows, you don't think there's anything that she ripped off?
Nobody's coming to her to finish.
There's still, there's not still people that there's got to still be people on her side, especially with her husband, how wealthy he is.
Yeah, they got money.
They got a lot of fucking money, Matt.
There's got to be a way she'd slip through this.
Oh, yeah, this is a possibility.
No way.
We need to come back here after she gets sentenced.
I'm telling you.
She's getting a minimum of 20 years.
If she goes to trial and loses, she's getting 30.
You get the right lawyers and the right jury, you can force her to go wrong.
She should plead guilty to 20 years and take 20 on a wire fraud charge.
You're taking over 30.
I'm saying over 30.
I'm taking the under.
Wow.
Wow.
I'm saying she does.
No, but if she goes to trial and loses, she's getting 30.
I'm saying under 10.
There's no way.
Under 10.
No way.
How much loss is there?
How much restitution would she have?
Go to the next slide, Brian.
What do you think?
You're talking $500 million?
The trial of Elizabeth Holmes, founder of the blood testing company Theranos, who was accused of defrauding patients and investors, began with opening statements September 8th at California Federal Courthouse.
The one time Silicon Valley superstar has inspired movies, books, and podcasts.
How much money?
Next slide.
Okay, this is showing reporters, spectators.
Keep going.
Oh, it's got to be hundreds of millions.
It's got to be.
Half a billion, 37 year old founder of Theranos faces charges of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud.
Once known for her black turtlenecks and baritone voice, she has worn a mask, ignored questions from reporters, and stayed mostly silent in court.
She's also walking around with her mom.
They show her walking through, walking into the courtroom, like holding her mom's hand.
Are those her only charges?
Yeah, you understand.
Wire fraud's 20 years.
So if they said, if she's if she had said, listen, I'll plead guilty to one count of wire fraud, like, like, if I plead guilty.
Typically, if you plead guilty, they will consolidate all your charges.
So I get the max.
You can give me the max.
I clearly have made hundreds.
It's been hundreds of millions of dollars were lost.
I'll get the max.
It's 20 years.
No, no.
In her mind, I'm going to go to trial and I'm going to blame everything on Sonny.
And they're going to, you're fucking nuts.
Nobody's going to buy them.
She's got some crazy lawyers.
Well, it's going to be a fun trial.
She's in a California court.
Ms. Holmes' mother and constant companion has firmly held hands with her daughter while entering court.
And defense attorney described her to the jurors as a public servant who instilled in her daughter a desire to change the world for the better.
Oh, yeah.
She's going to sell it, man.
It's going to be good.
Did you watch the new Cocaine Cowboys?
That's her.
Oh, no, I heard that was good.
I've got to watch it, though, because you've got to see the lawyers these cartel guys hire, bro, and they get off on everything.
We know a lawyer who represents the cartel guy.
This guy reminds me of Bjorn, too.
He's brilliant, but he's like next level crazy.
We've got to get Bjorn back in on this fucking podcast.
I'm saying one of the Cocaine, one of the Colombian or whatever.
Drug dealers.
I thought you would be a drug pilot.
No, no, this was like a Spanish guy.
Oh, yeah, George Valdez.
George Valdez.
Yes, yes, I had him on.
Yeah, yeah.
Remember his son had he was an accountant.
Yeah.
He did the accounting for a bunch of that.
Yeah.
I thought he was a drug.
You got to watch the new one.
No, he started out doing the accounting, bro, and then he made a lot of fucking money.
Crazy amount of money.
You got to watch the new one.
It's really good.
I think George Valdez is in the new one.
Yeah, he is in the new one.
Is he really?
I saw him, and I was like, oh, I got to watch it.
I got to watch it.
Yeah.
Yeah, you got to watch it.
And I saw it.
But after I watched it for a little bit, like I watched like 10 or 15 minutes of it, I forget what happened.
Somebody called or something.
Yeah, Bill, you got to watch when they start to go to trial, bro.
It's so crazy.
They hire like the craziest, most expensive lawyers.
And then there's like a whole deal at the end where like the lawyers got paid by drug money, like millions of dollars.
So they try to like get the money.
Trying to get the money.
And the lawyers are like, oh, you're not allowed to take this money or whatever.
And I think that's actually what one guy ended up down the road getting popped for finally, he paid one of his lawyers one time with a check.
And they traced it back.
They couldn't prove it or something.
And he ended up getting that charge.
And they hammered him because they beat the whole conspiracy charge.
They beat everything.
It's fucking insane.
Were there any cops?
Because I was tons of cops.
Cops that were indicted?
Oh, yeah.
They came out with a you'll like this part.
The lawyers pre-trial, all of the people who were testifying, there's like 100 people, a list of them.
They print it in the jail magazine, in the New York Times, in the paper with everybody's name.
Everybody gets killed.
Every fucking buddy.
So there was a cop in Coleman.
They do that?
Yeah.
In that Prison Time magazine.
I mean, they're not supposed to.
That's just like a murder.
Basically, they put a kill list.
That's what they said.
They said, you put out a kill list.
They said, look, we're looking to talk to these people to get some information.
We're trying to talk to them.
If you can find them, please help us.
Wow.
Well, they got found.
So one of the cops involved in that whole thing I was locked up with, he had an amazing story.
And there was a hitman.
That I actually read.
There was a book called Making Jack Falcone.
So, and I, in that book, and a lot of.
Jack Falcone?
Who was Jack Falcone?
It was a fictitious FBI agent.
Like, it wasn't a real person.
There was an actual, like, big time cocaine trafficker down there named Willie Falcone.
That's who this whole documentary is about, Willie Falcone.
Is it really?
It's about Sal and Willie.
BB was friends with Willie.
The whole thing is about Willie Falcone.
This is a different person.
So, this was an FBI agent pretending to be a guy named Jack Falcone.
And he infiltrates.
But in the infiltration, and when you read the book, There's a guy who keeps, there's all these murders happening.
And at one point, one of the guys goes to kill a lawyer.
This guy's killing all these lawyers.
So, not the FBI agent, but the murderer who's out there, one of this one murderer.
And he goes in and he kills this lawyer.
He's killed a bunch of lawyers for the drug dealers.
So, he kills this one lawyer, him and another guy.
And when they're leaving, the secretary's there.
Like she sees the whole thing.
And the other guy's going, let's kill her.
And the other guy's going, no, no.
They argue.
No, no, no, don't kill her, don't kill her.
And it finally comes down to it where the guy's like, wow, he's like, listen, we didn't get paid to kill her.
Do you understand?
We weren't told to kill her.
We're not killing her.
It's like a Scarface thing.
And he tells her, listen, this is a guy in prison that I knew named Gordo.
He's the one who wouldn't kill her.
And he says, and he got 40 years.
And he testified against everybody and still ended up with a guy 40 years.
So that's how bad.
He's got like 12 fucking lawyers that were murdered.
He killed.
And then anyway, he ends up telling him, no, no, no.
And he tells her, he says, listen.
When the cops come and this and this, you know, you don't, you've never seen us.
He's like, 'Cause I will come back.' And if I don't come back to kill you, some I'll have someone come and do it.
Like, I know who you are.
He got her like license or something, and then he leaves.
And he said, 'You know what?
She never said nothing.
She said, I am not talking to you guys.
The guys, some guys came in here and killed them.
I couldn't recognize them.
I don't know who they are.
I don't know.
I don't know.
He's like, she never said nothing.
It was like, oh, okay.
Gordo was really actually a very nice guy.
Was he?
I'm not a lawyer.
That actually didn't have a hit out.
That's what I'm saying.
They kill a couple lawyers and they do kill somebody.
Somebody sees it and they take their driver's license and he goes, yeah.
I mean, I think that's pretty common.
He says, you know us, but we know you.
And he takes her license and puts it in his pocket.
I want to say this happened.
In Miami, it was either like Miami or maybe it was New York or something.
I, I, because the Jack Falcone thing happened in like New York, but they were talking about how all these guys are connected and they were murdering all these lawyers.
And this one guy, and as I'm reading the book, Jack Falcone, Gordo's in the unit with me.
He's like, like, you know, as I'm reading, like somebody saw it and said, Hey, you know, Gordo's in that book.
I'm like, What?
And they're like, Yeah.
And I walk, I go, This, you're in the book.
He's like, Yeah, yeah, page 142.
I'm like, Yeah, that's funny.
He knows the exact page, of course.
He's a big shot.
That's funny.
So Elizabeth Holmes anyways, we're talking about her.
Yeah, Billy.
That's the that's the rich That's her new husband her partner accompanied her to trial the 29 year old hotel air Once worked at LinkedIn and Luminar Technologies and is the father of her infant son named William Evans like his dad and grandfather How long royalty how long Is that a plane fucking feds flying in we got a fucking airplane flying like 10 feet above our building right now They all know when we're doing the podcast.
How long was she trying to get pregnant by this dude?
Day one.
Oh, I mean, she's like every time.
She looked at him and she said, You know what we're doing.
Come in, me.
Come in, me.
Every single time.
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I wonder if he was just.
Do you think he was just clout chasing?
Because you know he could do way better than that.
Listen, he's got to be getting something out of it.
He's clout chasing for sure.
She's probably the best girlfriend he's ever had.
Yeah.
She's probably the best chick he's ever had.
Because think about it.
She's not going to argue.
She needs you.
Yeah, but.
Even the prisoners.
After the prisoners are there for once a long enough time, they think they run the asylum.
I'm not sure what that means.
I think she's got this guy roped in.
Whatever it is, definitely she's got him roped in.
Yeah, what's his angle?
His angle is she probably thinks my poor baby, she was taken advantage of by that mean Indian Sonny.
She manipulated and like Sonny's like.
So her the guy's.
The guy's dad is a San Diego hotel proprietor who's joined the Theranos founder.
In court, during jury selection, He donned a ball cap and introduced himself to reporters as an interested spectator named Hanson.
An interested spectator.
So she's got a lot of rich people around her, Matt.
I can't imagine she still has any money, though, right?
Does she still have money?
Yes, she's got fucking money.
Yes, she's got money.
How do you have money after.
Well, now she got this guy.
She hasn't gone to court yet.
I know, but you would think they would seize everything.
No, she's got it in banking.
She's got money stashed.
The fans.
Look, she's got fans.
There's women, blonde haired women wearing black clothing.
That's crazy.
Wouldn't it be amazing if half the crowd were all women with blonde hair wearing turtlenecks?
So they're all just like fangirls.
These girls are like fangirls.
She's got like a fan club and they all have turtles.
They talk like, Elizabeth, we want to be just like you.
Elizabeth, you're innocent.
We know you're innocent.
She's got to, at this point, be like, this is nuts.
Like, even I think this is nuts and I'm crazy.
Where's her trial at?
What state?
It's in California.
It's Northern California.
Oh, my God.
In her hometown.
You know, her mom has to know she's nuts.
Like, this didn't slip up on her.
Like, she's already got to know, like, she's crazy.
Like, she's been lying her whole life.
Yeah, but it's a kid.
I've got a feeling her mom's probably not too far from that, too.
No.
I don't know.
Next.
Oh, listen.
That guy looks like a fucking dude.
I read a.
So, when I was doing the Marcus Shrinker story.
Yeah.
When I was doing the Marcus Shrinker story, I read all these books on psychopaths.
He's the pathological liar.
Yes.
So, I read all these books on sociopaths, psychopaths, everything.
And they have all these different examples.
Like, there was this one guy.
Who, like, literally had gotten a hammer.
This is when he's, like, seven or eight years old, and the family had gone to some lake house that they had, and he went down, and he got a hammer, and he went down by the lake, and they said, We could hear, like, they said, but it wasn't like, it was like he's banging into the dirt.
We didn't know what he was.
We would listen to it for, God, she said, I mean, you know, for a while.
We thought maybe he's nailing something in a tree, maybe he's just hitting stuff with a hammer, but there was nothing down there he could do any damage with.
She said, well, finally, like her husband, she or her husband went down to see, what is it?
And he was smashing frogs with, and I mean blowing them apart.
Like an egg, if you smash like guts and blood.
But she said they were just, he'd been doing it like there were hundreds of them.
And it was just death, like just blood everywhere.
And he was just having a blast.
She said then later did it with kittens.
Like the neighbor had.
Shrinker?
Not shrinker.
Oh.
You understand, right?
So I read a book.
I read a book about during the while I was writing.
While you were doing the striker thing.
And she was explaining, like, so the psychiatrist that wrote this book is explaining just like the psychology and the whole thing.
And it was just horrible.
Like, at some point, this guy goes and he gets a job, like, graduated college.
He's never had real friends.
He's never, she's like, he's always, like, the mother was explaining, like, he's never had a connection with anybody.
He's always used people.
He's always.
He would lie and do whatever he had to do to get what he wanted, then not own up to anything.
His parents are just like disgusted and terrified by him.
He goes to college.
He had nothing to do with it.
They were, you know, they knew this is our son and we love him, but we don't like him.
And so at one point, he gets a job and he immediately, he gets some job in some corporation, starts moving up the ladder basically by just fucking over everybody.
Like everybody hates him.
He very quickly, the CEO of the company, or the owner of the company, He finds out he's got a daughter and he immediately hooks up with the daughter and they end up getting married.
And his mother actually goes to him and says, the day of the wedding or a few days before the wedding, she says, she's a wonderful girl.
And he's like, yeah, I know.
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And she says, do you really have to do this to her?
Do you have to marry her?
And he says, come on, mom.
We both know she'll never see it coming.
And she said, like, it was like a moment.
Where they they They both kind of admitted I know that you know what I am and you know that I like but they'd never really had that and she said at that moment she said I Desperately wanted to go to this girl and say he is a sociopath and He's going to ruin your life.
She's like but I couldn't he's my son and I love him and she was just trying to tell him please spare her whatever you have planned Yeah fucking reading that I read that book was horrible, bro That sounds crazy.
The mother just described this guy as just a maniac.
So, I mean, so what I'm saying is, I don't think they like that out there, man.
But that's what I'm saying is, like, you think that's what she is.
I'm saying you know that the mother, like, like Shrinker's parents, his whole life, he's been lying.
Like, they've all known it his whole life.
There have been all of these signs his whole life.
Like, you've got a couple of brothers, you got three boys, two of them are normal, and you got this psychopath.
Like, you know, he's doing shit that these two, these two, even if they're lunatics, they're not like this.
This is just nuts.
You know, this mother has got to be like.
She knows.
Oh, yeah.
Like, she's fucking disturbed.
What about this new kid, Stephen Laundrie?
Is that his name?
Steve Laundrie?
Is that the one with his girlfriend disappeared?
The guy who went hiking and his girlfriend disappeared.
Did they find the body?
Yeah, they found her.
They don't know if it's her, though.
They haven't confirmed it.
They said it resembles her, but they haven't done the DNA.
How many fucking dead blondes are out in the desert?
Yeah.
Like, where'd they find her?
Well, they found a bunch of dead people over there.
They found two other people that they think he might have killed also.
Yeah, where they found two other girls in the same area near an area like a restaurant or a bar they went to.
I mean, how many cross country tours is this or trips has this guy taken with girlfriends?
Well, he does it all the time.
They have a YouTube channel where they travel the world.
Hey, I didn't know that.
They have a YouTube channel.
That's nuts.
They have a YouTube channel.
I mean, I saw the videos and I saw the video with the cops where she'd been scratched, and he's like, Yeah, we got into a fight.
But I was like, You know, like they got into an argument and a scratch, but she was still alive.
Yeah.
Not anymore.
Yeah, did you watch the video of them getting pulled over?
Yes.
Yeah.
He seemed pretty normal.
She seemed like the psycho.
When I was watching it, I was like, yeah, she's crazy, bro.
He's trying to downplay it.
Yeah, well, she might have.
We were both upset.
I'm like, okay, he's like a good dude.
The theory is what I heard is she's all distraught because he might have just killed those other two people.
I thought they were together?
I thought it was just the two of them.
Yeah, but there's two other dead people.
So, what he said, oh, by the way, this is where I dumped the body, and that caused an accident.
Maybe she saw they had a pretty, they had a pretty, their stories were pretty identical when they got pulled over.
Like she was crying.
She said, I've been working on my blog all morning.
And then they pulled him out of the van, and his story was to the T almost exactly to what hers was.
So, they either, I mean, they had a pretty well rehearsed story, or that's just what happened.
Or that's what happened.
And then it later sparked into, I'm done with this chick.
It's time.
Oh, we're at mile marker 32.
What happened?
Getting close to the grave, to the burial.
Yeah.
I got to choke this chick out.
I mean, you think that, like, it's like, he's on the lamb now.
He's from Vero Beach, Florida, is where his parents live.
There's a lot of crazy people.
It's literally directly across the state from here.
It's exactly two and a half hours east of here.
And you saw the surf there?
I surf there all the time, exactly where they live.
They live on Wabasso.
Did you see the search warrant where they were surfing?
Yeah, it was today.
They were there for like two hours.
There was a search warrant where they went into the house.
Or I think the parents let them in.
Yeah.
And they were bringing out box after box.
Or they were bringing in boxes, loading them up, and taking them out.
So.
Yeah.
So I think the parents are like cooperating.
Cooperating, like, look, you know.
But they're not.
We got a crazy one.
We've known it for a while.
Like, he was probably smashing fucking frogs, too.
Well, I heard his mom told him, too, like, the night before he went out.
He, like, packed all his camping shit up, all his gear, and fucking hit the road.
After he came back without her?
I think, like, after they found the body or after he knew they were coming.
Well, he's been gone for a week, and they just found the body yesterday.
Where was the body found?
In Utah, I think.
Utah?
Near Salt Lake City.
The last place they were seen was coming out of a hotel near Salt Lake City.
This is their YouTube channel.
Where is it?
Nomadic Static.
And look, they posted this video a month ago and it's got 3.5 million views.
It's all from the girl.
So he's banking too.
The girl who died or is missing, she got like over 600,000 Instagram followers in the past five days.
Well, I mean, it's not for interaction or what do they call it?
No good to her.
And they got 60,000 YouTube subscribers in the past week too.
Yeah, it's a crazy story, man.
$56,000.
So we're looking for our daughter, and he says she's in Utah.
And they said, We looked in Utah, and he said, Did you dig?
Yeah.
Horrible.
Crazy fucking story, bro.
I don't get it.
Like, I don't understand.
I just, I'm like, I'll commit crime.
Like, I get monetary gain.
I get that.
But.
The desire to murder someone.
It's got to be baked in.
Like I've hated people.
Like I've been furious with someone.
But I'm not like plotting their death or I'm not thinking I'm going to choke you to death.
Like, and there's people that do it once and then they're like, that was easy.
This was good stuff.
I got to get me another one.
I mean, it's like, what are you doing, bro?
Like you're going to, how many people have you dated and dropped off in Utah?
You know, there's a, there's a, a, a, A psychiatry center in South Florida.
I think I want to say Bradenton or Sarasota.
And it's an entire sort of like, it's like a university for psychiatry that specializes in psychopaths and murderers.
We got to interview some of those guys.
Well, I have a guy that actually did a book on that place, a guy who came from there who wrote a book on it.
And I'm having, he's coming on in like the next couple months.
And basically, they dedicate their lives to studying people who are serial killers and.
You know, do commit the most heinous murders.
Crazy.
And yeah, I can't wait to have him on here.
Because, you know, I think shit like that has got to be big.
You got to come like that out of the box when you're born.
You know, how can you.
I think those guys.
Well, I think sometimes you're probably just born like that.
I also.
There's also the study that says that typically it's like a.
You can create like a psychopath or a sociopath.
Like someone can be created with antisocial disorder if there's some kind of a trauma.
Typically, it's some kind of a traumatic event in their childhood will cause that.
You know.
And others say that they're just born like that.
Like, there's a case for both, you know?
So, I think you could probably be some are created and some are probably just born like that.
Right.
But, yeah, but I'll bet you, like, that guy, I'll bet you he'll be either amazingly boring and clinical or he'll be like, have some crazy fucking story.
Like, he's got to have some, like, he's met some fucking, he's met some nuts.
Yeah.
That guy's met some people there.
He's like, oh, let's not listen to this one guy, you know, tell you.
Well, he, Yeah, I don't know if he's met a lot of the people that he's studied.
A lot of them are people that have already died or, you know, like Jack the Ripper was one of them.
Oh, that's no good.
A bunch of people like that.
But I'm sure there are some that he has interviewed.
Yeah, I would want to enter.
I got to interview these guys.
Hell yeah.
We got to have a talk.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a talk.
Oh, fuck.
So after you took her head off, I took the skull out and I wore her.
I put her head on my.
On my head and wore it as like a hat for a little bit, and then I took the you know, it's like Ted Bundy.
Why have you seen that?
We've talked about the Ted Bundy documentary, right?
That was, yeah, that was nuts.
Yeah, he was and he was got married in jail.
Didn't he get the chick pregnant and married?
I think so, yeah.
Boy, he was talking at the end of the country.
Oh, yeah.
Women loved him, too.
That was crazy.
Like groupies.
Oh, man.
It was so crazy.
What are you doing?
Yeah, that was wild.
Oh, man.
Oh, Ted.
Ted.
Well, Matt, I think we've hit a wall, brother.
All right.
I'm.
What are we doing?
Two hours?
Is it two hours?
Yeah.
What's coming up next, Matt?
For me?
Mm hmm.
I mean, you know what?
Speaking of hitting a wall, I hit a wall.
Like, so I was getting like 2,000 to 3,000 new subscribers every month on my YouTube channel, right?
In the last month or so, it's dropped down to like less than a thousand, like 900, 800 or 900.
Like, the closer I get to 35,000 subscribers, the slower it, like, I'm like, I'm like, man, it's like, I can't break this thing.
I mean, at one point, I was getting 3,000 a month for several months.
And I don't know what happened.
And yet, I'm putting out more content than ever.
Are you really?
How often do you put out videos?
Um, Oh, every day.
Every day?
All last week, we put out a video for six days straight.
It's every day, bro.
And then this week, we're putting out.
The new Logan Paul.
On Sunday.
We're doing Sunday.
Well, no, we did.
Sorry.
We did Sunday.
We're doing Sunday, Wednesday, and Friday.
And then, and actually, I think Colby, Colby's my video editor, he's breaking up this one video I did with this guy for like two and a half hours, or like it was a little over two hours.
He's breaking that thing up into five.
And I think he's going to release that every single day.
Oh, so you're doing the Vlad TV thing where you do a long podcast and you only release sections at night.
I mean, you know, I'm trying to get something to hit.
Like, every, you know, look, like, like I get a ton of people that, like, you know, in the comments, I don't have a comment section like yours.
I don't know how you, you can't, it is accessible.
You can't look in that.
Like, to feel good about yourself, you cannot read the comments.
You read my comments?
Every once in a while, like maybe every once.
Oh, you want a good laugh?
Read them.
Oh, God, they're horrible, bro.
Like, I don't, you have almost half a million subscribers.
People hate your guys.
Yeah.
They, they, they, they say horror.
I mean, do they really say horrible things?
What do they say?
About you?
Yeah, I haven't read them in a long time.
Bro, you give a couple good ones.
Yeah.
Oh, I what do you mean?
They're, they're, I mean, obviously, you know, that the they're not thrilled with you.
They dislike you the most, though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The most like I've seen some pretty good ones, though.
On the last few podcasts that you did, there were some pretty positive.
There were some good ones that I, huh?
Yeah.
I remember I sent you a couple screenshots.
Oh, the last time I dug into the comments, it was pretty positive, but I haven't been in there since.
A lot of them are.
I've been staying away.
The interrupting, these guys are.
Yeah, but what?
Really?
Is that going to really, like.
I mean, look, what am I supposed to say?
I don't want to say it.
I mean, they're all, you know, they're stupid.
They're, you know, they can't follow a conversation.
True.
They're, you know, I mean, just, it's just, it's true.
On and on.
I mean, it's all true.
We are stupid.
We can't follow a conversation.
We don't, we're fucking retards.
They go on and on.
I mean, I listen to them and I'm just like.
Well, then why are they watching?
That's the internet for you, man.
That's all it is.
Mine is, like, completely different.
Like, I probably get.
No, they genuinely love you.
For every 20, I do get one guy who's like, this rat scumbag piece of garbage.
And I'm like, well, did you at least subscribe?
Yeah, right.
Please share the video.
Please click.
Scumbag lowlife.
I'm like, yes, I understand.
That's the guy who's already subscribed.
Share the video.
Share the video.
Right.
Yeah.
But for the most part, mine's positive.
And I get a ton of likes.
I think there's maybe three guys that, as soon as they, oh, Cox just posted.
Dislike and then they that's it.
Leave a mean comment, dislike.
Leave it.
There's like two or three guys like that for every video, and then there's like 350 or 500 that are like, As much as the comments can be such a cesspool and so negative, I do love the comments.
They're so spooky.
Some of the insults are hilarious.
Well, once you dive, sharp.
The thing about it is, once you actually dive into it, it's hard to get out of it.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I can lose an hour.
I can lose an hour.
Oh, easily, bro.
And it's like the greatest thing about those comments is it's like a whole separate organism from the video or the content.
So you have the video, you dive into the comments, and it's like a whole other world.
It is.
You know what I mean?
It's such a cool thing.
I love it when they argue with each other.
Oh, yeah.
You'll get like 17, 18, 20, 30, 30 different comments back and forth.
The guy's just, and it's like, nice.
And it's one of the greatest things about YouTube is that when you see the video, you know you get this great fucking edition of this comment section.
You see something, be like, oh, I know someone said something funny about this.
You immediately scroll down and you want to see.
And it's like a competition.
It's like a writing competition to see who can come up with the funniest, funniest take, funniest or most clever take on what just happened in that video.
And then that person gets attention.
They get upvotes.
You know what I mean?
So they get more people go to their channel or whatever.
So that's cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, I didn't know that.
What do you mean?
Up what?
So comments get upvotes.
A comment, you can click like or dislike.
Yeah, right.
I see that.
So it upvotes it to the top, though.
The top comments sticks up there.
Oh, okay.
So popular comments.
Within the comment section.
Exactly.
I thought you meant going to.
So then people will see, oh, this guy fucking left a comment with 100 likes on it.
Let's see what he's got going on.
Right.
He's funny.
Something's good.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
I get that.
I get that.
They're great.
Yeah.
So I fucking love the comments.
No matter how much they hate me, I love them.
What else?
Now he's going to get, he'll have, he'll have, he's diving in tonight.
50 comments now saying, We love you, Danny.
Don't listen to cocks.
No, they'll be like, Yeah, you're right.
We hate you.
We hate you, you fucking rat.
The rat.
Oh my God.
All right.
Funny.
Parlay the plugs, Matt.
What are the, what do we got to do?
Subscribe to Matt's YouTube channel.
Nobody's, at this point, you know, 95% have already, no, I mean, I have a YouTube channel.
Like, Subscribe to my YouTube channel.
I need to get over 35,000.
I need to get up to 50,000.
I feel like 50,000 and I can actually start making some money.
But, you know, eh.
But yeah, Zach, my buddy Zach, does the podcast with me.
And yeah, so we do that and we interview.
You ought to interview Josh.
Didn't I send you Josh's?
I interviewed Josh.
Who's he?
Josh is a guy that runs a YouTube channel called.
We'll talk about it after the show.
Oh, okay.
He will.
Anyway, he's got a great crime story.
Super cool guy.
Okay.
Perfect.
We'll do it.
I sent you this stuff.
Anything I send you, you don't look at anything I send you.
You're not the only one.
He just, everybody.
Well, he's a big shot.
You're a big shot.
He gets it and he's like, what do these peasants want?