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March 17, 2025 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr
01:15:30
My Father Puts Maduro’s Gangs on Notice — and Sends Them Packing,
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Thank you.
Happy St. Patrick's Day.
And if you had Democrats defending gang members on your bingo card, well, I guess your week is off to a great start.
Just like my father said at the State of the Union, whatever he does, literally anything he does...
Democrats will be against it.
Literally anything.
If he cured cancer, he's a terrible person.
If he creates world peace, definitely not getting the Nobel Peace Prize.
It doesn't matter what he does.
They will go against it.
And by the way, my father says that Biden's auto pen, you know, the auto pen used to fill out the pardons and probably everything else that Joe Biden did, maybe throw out his entire administration, but certainly in the last few weeks are void.
What do you think that means for the likes of Shifty Schiff, as many have called him Bull Schiff, Cheney, Fauci, maybe the Bidens themselves, and all the rest?
We'll get into all of that coming up shortly.
And then later, I'll sit down with Eric Prince to get into a deep dive into all things foreign policy from Ukraine to Venezuela to the Middle East.
We'll be covering a lot, so you are not going to want to miss it.
Eric Prince, he founded Blackwater, is a former Navy SEAL, a big industrialist.
He knows.
He's been in those venues, both as a contractor, as a SEAL. He understands what's going on on the ground and what you're probably not being told.
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Over the weekend, the Trump administration flew hundreds of Trendelaragua gang members to El Salvador as part of my father's order to rid our country of violent Venezuelan gangs and other criminal thugs.
These are murderers, rapists, narco-terrorists connected to the Maduro regime.
But while the planes were in midair, over international waters luckily, a far-left activist judge issued a temporary restraining order to try to stop the flight.
And beyond the absurd decision, this judge somehow believed it was possible for the planes to simply make a U-turn midair.
Which, just as a matter of physics, you know...
Fuel efficiency economy.
You can't just change flight plans like that.
It doesn't work that way.
As a pilot, I know.
It's completely ridiculous.
So the planes landed as scheduled, and the criminals are no longer in the country, despite the left's dirty tricks from left-wing lawfare.
I mean, think about it.
A judge is trying to stop us from ridding the country of illegal criminal drug traffickers, murderers, It's literally what the Democrats...
They're more about defending the worst criminals in the world than they are Americans.
They want them in this country.
They want them destroying our children, our cities.
They want the drug traffic, I assume, to continue.
Here's my father explaining the situation.
I can tell you this.
These were bad people.
That was a bad group of, as I say, hombres.
That was a bad group.
When you look at them and you look at the crimes that they've committed, you take a look.
You don't get any tougher, you don't get worse than that.
You understand that.
Now, guys, the authority for my father to do this is found in the Alien Enemies Act, which he invoked over the weekend.
The order read in part, and I quote, is a designated foreign terrorist organization with thousands of members.
Trendelaragua operates in conjunction with the Cartel de los Soles, the Nicolas Maduro regime-sponsored narcoterrorism enterprise based in Venezuela, and commits brutal crimes including murders, kidnappings, extortions, and human and drug trafficking, and also weapons trafficking.
It goes on to say, Trenadera Agua is undertaking hostile action and conducting irregular warfare against the territory of the United States, both directly and at the direction of the Maduro regime in Venezuela.
That's pretty obvious, guys.
These are not their finest people.
These are not people that are going to be the next Elon Musk.
They're not going to be astronauts or surgeons.
They're going to be responsible.
For a lot of bad things that happen in America.
And yet, the Democrats will go all out to defend those people.
They're not worried about the victims.
We could list them all.
My father did at the State of the Union.
We could get into all of that in great detail.
They're not worried about defending them, their rights, their lives.
They're looking to take care of criminals.
Remember when my father called them animals in the first administration and Nancy Pelosi about MS-13 at the time?
They're not animals.
They're human beings.
No, no, no.
They're animals, Nancy.
It's amazing.
Yet another 80-20 issue, probably a 99-1 issue for Democrats, and they're going all in, folks.
As Tom Homan revealed this weekend, this gang was sent here by Maduro and welcomed by Biden.
What American in their right minds wants these terrorists here?
I mean...
Who, in their right mind, whether you're a judge or not, wants known public...
TDA, a recognized terrorist organization, sent here by the Maduro regime, to create havoc, to unsettle the United States, to use fentanyl to kill thousands of Americans, violence to American citizens, raping and murdering young women in this country.
They are enemies of this country, and President Trump treated them as enemies, and we did exactly what we should have done.
Again...
President Trump is going to make this country safe again.
He's going to do it one illegal alien at a time.
And this weekend, we did 261. So to stop this invasion and these attacks against America, my father invoked the Aliens Enemies Act to get these terrorists out of our country.
And he's within his constitutional power to do so.
And again, I'll ask, who in their right minds would be against any of this?
Here's more from my dad.
On why this is so necessary.
Criticism that the Alien Enemies Act has only been in both three other times.
They were all during times of war.
Do you feel that you're using it appropriately right now?
Well, this is a time of war because Biden allowed millions of people, many of them criminals, many of them at the highest level.
They emptied jails out.
Other nations emptied their jails into the United States.
It's an invasion.
And these are criminals, many, many criminals.
Murderers, drug dealers at the highest level, drug lords, people from mental institutions.
That's an invasion.
They invaded our country.
So this is, in that sense, this is war.
As I said, the planes did land, as scheduled, in El Salvador.
And here is the scene, under the leadership of friend...
And great president, Bukele.
Check it out. Check it out.
Check it out.
Guys, that's not all.
Earlier today, the White House put out this video of the criminals being shipped out of America.
And again, I want to thank President Bukele for taking these animals and putting them where they belong.
And certainly not in America.
As Congressman Collins wrote on
X, Isn't it ridiculous that a Democrat president can import violent gang members, but some judge claims a Republican president can't deport them?
In what universe would that make sense?
And he's 100% right.
It's very clear that Biden knew.
We knew the statistics.
Remember, 13,000 murderers let into the country, 16,000 rapists.
Joe Biden's ICE statistics.
600,000 criminals overall.
They knew and they let them in anyway.
But Democrats like Jasmine Crockett seem to have an issue with violent criminal gang members and terrorists being removed from the country.
But you don't have to take my word for it, guys.
Here she is in her own words.
To deport undocumented Venezuelans that the administration say are dangerous individuals with ties to the gang Trend Aragua.
That gang is obviously associated with a lot of crime, human trafficking, drug dealing, theft, shootings, including in your state of Texas, right outside of your congressional district.
Do you agree with this?
And if not, what's your issue with the U.S. using any tool at its disposal to remove undocumented, violent people from this country?
We already have tools that are available to remove undocumented, violent people from our country.
And so the idea that you want to go into a zombie law, this is kind of like what we saw in Arizona when they decided to revive a zombie law around abortion.
It is the fact that we can't trust this administration to actually use a scalpel, but instead they love to use a butcher knife on things.
And so giving them this wide latitude to just kind of go across and just claim that anybody is anything is wrong.
And so we do have courts.
We do have processes.
We do have laws.
And we should just go ahead and use those.
There's a reason that nobody else has decided to go back into Adams times in order to try to find ways to make sure that we can keep our country safe.
Remember, guys, Trindle or Aga gang members killed Blake and Riley.
They kill Jocelyn Nungari.
Here in America, these murders are attacks against our homeland.
How sick do you have to be to be opposed to getting them out of our country?
What greater, clear, and present danger to our country would be than having rampant murderers illegally doing drugs, selling them, fentanyl, killing 100,000 Americans a year, murdering and raping innocent young girls?
These are not the people we want in our country.
And guys, the stakes could not be higher.
As my father also wrote this weekend, Trendelaraga has engaged and continues to engage in mass illegal migration to the United States to further its objective of harming United States citizens, undermining public safety and supporting the Maduro regime's goal of destabilizing democratic nations in the Americas, including the United States.
And he's 100% right.
And now, DHS, DOJ, the FBI, and other key government agencies are being tasked with doing everything in their power to bring these terrorists and their enablers to justice.
It's a historic shift from the weak leadership of the past, and our country will now be safer because of it.
And the Democrats let our country get to the point where we needed such bold action to actually fix their mess.
It's totally required.
And it's looking like Biden's auto-pen scandal may be backfiring on him big time.
because earlier today, my father wrote on True Social, the pardons that sleepy Joe Biden gave to the unselect committee of political thugs and many others are hereby declared void, vacant, and of no further force or effect because of the fact that they were done by auto and of no further force or effect because of the fact
So if Joe Biden didn't sign the pardons and didn't know about the signings or know what was happening, then wouldn't it follow that the pardons aren't actually constitutionally valid.
And remember, as we were told, and we told you last week, the Oversight Project...
Did a full investigation into the auto pen signatures and concluded that all used the same auto pen signature except for the announcement that the former president was dropping out of the race last year.
You can see him for yourself.
Again, I'll ask.
Imagine for one second.
Imagine just step back, take a break.
Imagine for one second if the roles were reversed.
The media would be calling it the biggest scandal in world history.
Who was actually in charge?
We all have seen Joe Biden.
Let's just say he wasn't exactly always there.
We all know.
But if some random intern is just doing this, if he's not really aware, or if he was made aware but isn't really capable of actually understanding what's in these things, who was running the country?
How many of these things were actually his will?
But nevertheless, the Trump administration is continuing to rack up one win after another.
For example, the nationwide average for gas has declined for four weeks straight, with the majority of states seeing average prices now below $3 a gallon.
This is what happens when you have an administration that puts Americans first.
And over at the VA, Secretary Doug Collins announced today that the VA is phasing out treatment for gender dysphoria, explaining that the money saved, which is going to be extensive, And shouldn't be going there to begin with.
From this change, we'll go towards helping paralyzed veterans and amputees.
You know, the people that actually really need our help, really need that care, that we're probably not getting serviced well because we were worried about gender-affirming care and hormone replacement treatments and some of the appendages that...
Maybe not really required for life, maybe fun, but for trans members, remember those?
Well, now they're going to go to those who need it.
Remember, guys, we broke the story on this show about the gender-affirming prosthetics program, okay?
It's hard to believe we're having this conversation and it's real, right?
It's like...
It's like South Park took over the world under the Biden administration and just had their way with it.
Well, we broke the story, gender-affirming prosthetics, okay?
I guess that's a strap-on.
I don't know.
And it's not really my thing, so I don't know.
But I'm assuming that's what it is.
But they had that program under Biden and how they were putting woke trans madness over actually getting our veterans the care that they need.
So massive credit to the leadership of Secretary Doug Collins over at the VA on getting this done.
Common sense wins again.
None of this happens, though, guys, without strong leadership that actually cares about its citizens.
Look what's happening across Western Europe, where leaders are letting their countries crumble under open borders, madness, mass censorship.
In fact, Conor McGregor, Conor McGregor, the notorious MMA, was at the White House today.
To explain the dire situation going on over in Ireland.
Check it out.
What is going on in Ireland is a travesty.
Our government is the government of zero action with zero accountability.
Our money is being spent on overseas issues that has nothing to do with the Irish people.
The illegal immigration racket is running ravage on the country.
There are rural towns in Ireland that have been overrun in one swoop, that have become a minority in one swoop.
So issues need to be addressed.
And the 40 million Irish Americans, as I said, need to hear this, because if not, there will be no place to come home and visit.
So with that said, guys, we'll get to Eric Prince in just a few moments.
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And with that, guys, now my sit down with Eric Prince.
All right, guys, joining me now, businessman, author, former Navy SEAL officer, Blackwater founder, and now the co-founder of Unplugged, the one and only Eric Prince.
Eric, good to have you back.
Nice to be here.
Thank you.
It was last time I think you were on, you were literally in like the Abu Dhabi airport, like getting yelled at to get on a flight.
We had a late start, so it's good to have you actually in studio right now.
But maybe to begin, because you have sort of...
Such an intimate knowledge of so much of what's going on around the world, just having done that in Iraq and everywhere else with Blackwater.
I mean, you probably have a better insight than just about anyone as to what's going on in the world right now as we deal with Russia, Ukraine, all of that insanity.
I'd love to get your thoughts on that in particular, because I think my mindset has been it's hard to get a deal done in Ukraine because the American public have been told that Ukraine's...
And, you know, if they shoot a Russian Jeep, it's a major victory.
And if Russia takes, you know, the Donbass, it's like that was a strategic withdrawal.
How do you combat that marketing, you know, effort, you know, and get the American people to understand that what they're being told is not the case.
So any deal that we come up with is probably a lot better than they'll be told.
It is a pointless waste of Ukrainian blood and American treasure that they are not going to retake any of those lands.
Much vaunted offensive that they tried to do last summer was a complete wipeout.
They don't have even enough manpower to hardly man their defenses now.
So at best, it's a retrograde action.
And the sooner the fighting can be brought to an end, the better.
The better for Ukraine, the better for its future survival, the better for Western Europe, and actually the better for Russia.
And most of all, better for the United States.
Because for 100 plus years, It's always been the policy of the United States to try to keep German industry from combining with Russian resources.
Now all we've done is, what the Biden administration did, is push Russian resources into a subservient role of the Chinese Communist Party.
Not our friends.
China and Russia are no longer on a level playing field, right?
I mean, China's definitely taking that leadership role.
That used to be a fairly solid buffer.
You know, the two powers sort of canceled each other out a little bit.
I talked to a head of state that had been at every BRICS meeting.
And every time, from the beginning, it was always an equal footing between Putin and Xi.
At the last one in October, clearly there was a defined difference.
And that is definitely not in American interest.
So don't listen to the lie of just a little bit more time and, you know, Putin is on his back foot.
Putin...
If it continues, we'll do a general mobilization and flood the zone with another 350,000 fighters.
And the Russian people have a very high tolerance for taking casualties.
Yeah, there's a lot of history.
27 million people that they lost in World War II. I think it's important even for perspective of America.
You know, we believe our movies, that Americans won, we defeated the Nazis.
Not to take away any of the service of U.S. fighting men.
We lost 250,000 people in the European Theater of Operations.
The Russians lost 27 million people fighting the Nazis.
While we were still messing around in North Africa, you know, in Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, the Russians raised 1.2 million from the German Order.
Sorry, 800,000 from the German Order of Battle.
And they lost 1.2 million just at the Battle of Stalingrad.
Just orders of magnitude difference in the level of suffering that they will take, and there's absolutely no point in continuing that level of slaughter in Ukraine.
Yeah, I mean, at this point, even that mentality has to be ingrained, right?
You don't just forget that.
I mean, strangely enough, it's not that far off.
I mean, this is 70 years ago.
Correct.
And it's not even about high-tech weapons.
They have a supply chain of their own industrial base that's been supplemented by China and even now by North Korea.
For the propellants, for more munitions, and of course they bought a lot from the Iranians, it's actually made the Iranian weapons technology better because it's gotten field tested, innovated, and all those people getting smarter and better at fighting is not in America's interest.
If you shot at the Russians three months after that war started, it would take them an hour, hour and a half to shoot back well at you with artillery.
Now, it's two or three minutes.
So if you shoot, you better be in your vehicle, motor running, Doors open to unask that area or incoming is on the way.
Interesting.
Now, you know, when you talk about that right now, I mean, it feels like Putin probably, in my mind, didn't go as hard as he probably could have.
And I think there's a component of that, you know, certainly the eastern part of Ukraine that definitely did not vote for Zelensky and probably would not ever again.
That whole quadrant of the country or half of the country is really ethnic Russian.
Do you think he actually held back a little bit because of those similarities?
I mean, it doesn't feel like he went as scorched earth as he could have as quickly as he could have.
Certainly did not bomb the power and water and the civilian infrastructure nearly as hard as he could have.
Yes, there's a lot of it that's been damaged.
But no, it was not at the level of the allies going after Dresden when we erased 100,000 Germans in a night with firebombing.
Literally targeting civilians in World War II. So, how do you get this to come to a head right now?
Because it does feel like the world is looking at this conflict very different than some of the other conflicts that are going on right now.
To me, if I'm looking at it fairly objectively, it's like, ah, we can just keep fighting forever because it's just, honestly, European white men dying on either side of the battlefield.
Is that a thing?
All the noise about after the kerfuffle in the Oval Office a few days ago, all the statements of support from the European allies, it's such air.
I mean, Luxembourg, we support Ukraine with their 800-man army and two unarmed helicopters, right?
Well, beyond that, they also said they really support the ongoing efforts in Ukraine, but if you ask those same people, were they willing to sacrifice almost anything, meaning pay for some of it themselves, they're like, oh, no, that's different.
It's like, I want to solve world hunger, but I'm not going to sacrifice a meal.
Myself.
So it does feel like a lot of virtue signaling.
Yes.
NATO is largely 30% virtue signaling by the NATO so-called allies.
70% of the ass of NATO is American, paid for by American taxpayers, provided by American fighting men and women.
So it is some kind of different action is necessary as a catalyst to bring this to an end.
I don't think the Russians have the appetite to invade more.
They were very clear, not Ukraine, not Ukraine, not Ukraine, and the neocons kept pushing, pushing, pushing.
This idea that Ukraine is going to be part of NATO, hard no.
Yeah, we gave them every excuse they needed.
That's not being a Putin apologist, that's just being realistic.
They had a 60-, 70-year stalemate buffer zone that was known as the Ukraine, and we moved the borders of NATO, or we're talking about moving the borders of NATO right up onto their border, and that was...
Always the red line.
And so if you think about Russia as a society, then as the Soviet Union, facing as many unfriendly nations with troops on its borders as they did in May of 1941 when the Nazis invaded, that is, again, pressed into their genetics.
And so they're not going to let that happen again and not be in that situation.
I mean, literally, in Russia, the railway gauge is different.
So if you take rail cars across Western Europe, you have to jack it up and literally change the wheels to carry on into Russia so that an invading force can't use their own railway inside of Russia.
So they've been thinking about this for quite some time?
Yeah.
When you lose 25 million people or 27 million people, it tends to stick with you.
And if it wasn't for Putin, if Putin retired tomorrow, That ethos still remains in Russia, right?
The next guy is going to be...
Be careful that you don't get an even worse Russian nationalist.
Because there is a segment of that society that he has to actually placate.
So to try to bring this to a close, I think one of the things that the Russians offered was basically a 10-year hiatus of these, call it Donetsk, Lohansk, Mariupol, and I can't think of the fourth one.
Obviously, they have Crimea and they've always viewed Crimea as Russian.
To have a 10-year pause and then have a vote, a plebiscite, at the end of that, whether those regions want to stay with Russia or go back to Ukraine.
I think that's a sound, reasonable approach.
It's let it be a competition of governance.
Let Kiev clean up the massive corruption and the kleptocracy that is there and compete for people's will to be governed.
I mean, it's sort of ironic that the people screaming about preserving democracy, if that's the case, I'm not even aware of it.
Like, you know, no one's talking about like, hey, Russia wants to actually allow elections.
And I imagine in part of these peace talks, there could be a proper governance of that.
So it's not, you know, I imagine elections in Ukraine or Russia were probably never on the up and up, but there could be a structure to make it so.
So Russia actually wants to say, hey, let's let's compete for this in a fair way politically.
And in 10 years you have election.
Meanwhile.
Zelensky's in Putin saying, we can't possibly have elections right now.
We can't do it.
And I understand that the Russians would provide a ceasefire to enable an actual election to happen in Ukraine, because I also think that Putin does not view Zelensky as a valid leader anymore because he's outstayed his mandate by, what, 10 months now?
And so for Putin to have a counterparty to negotiate with is somebody that has to bind, right?
Just like the CEO of a company has to be able to bind a company for whatever contract it's going to sign.
The same for the head of state.
And if there's an election held, very unlikely that Zelensky is re-elected.
I've read, again, up to about 16% popularity.
Yeah.
And again, most of that, any of the popular is coming clearly from the western part of the country.
So the irony of it is that his greatest chance at actual political survival would be ceding the eastern part of the country that is ethnic Russian and definitely not in favor of him, and never was, even before the war.
I mean, they voted for different people.
It'll be Zeluzhny, who is the Minister of Defense, or the Chief of the Army, or Budanov, the Head of Military Intelligence, or the...
The boxer.
Yeah, Klitschko.
Klitschko, yes.
I guess, mayor of Kiev, right?
Yeah, exactly.
I would say more of a pro-peace, less corruption candidate.
It'd be nice, because I think that's the part.
How much of this money, you know, we're in for, you know, my father said during the State of the Union, you know, $350 billion, and that probably doesn't include the $260 billion that the Pentagon can't account for.
So I imagine there's a good part of that in that.
So let's just call it...
Half a trillion dollars.
How much of that's been stolen?
I mean, you understand how these battlefields work.
You've done more of it than anyone.
The amount of graft in these purchases is significant.
I mean, I have a lot of friends that offered products at an affordable, very bid price, and were all rejected because there's always some expectation of a vague coming.
Coming through a very convoluted acquisition structure.
Do you think a lot of these arms that we've sent over there also have been sold to other...
I've read that they've been sold to, you know, Hamas and other things, and so they're taking arms, selling them to terrorists and...
There's always leakage of that kind of stuff in the battlefield.
You know, I'm sure sets of...
Because we can buy sets of almost anything the Russians field, and corruption goes both ways.
I'm sure the very best of whatever has been provided to Ukraine has made its way to our opponents, literally being evaluated and replicated in Russian and Chinese armaments factories, 100%.
The frightening thing is that our stuff doesn't work very well there now.
Why is that?
The Russians are very good at electronic warfare, and whether you're sending an anti-tank missile, a ballistic missile, a guided artillery shell, within a couple of months, they figure out how to jam.
The command link or the navigation signal so that instead of hitting precisely, it's hitting off, taking away the whole point of it being.
And so when you have a $100,000 copperhead guided 155 shell and now it's hitting 100 or 200 meters off, that's bad.
We delude ourselves in thinking that we're making the Russians weaker, right?
The neocon wing that says, oh, we're degrading the Russian army.
The sanctions raise the price of oil.
The price of oil goes through the roofs.
I mean, they're net neutral on this war, but they've also built up their manufacturing base.
They've become much closer with Saudi.
They've become much closer with China.
We've empowered them.
They've shortened the flash-to-bang synapse of idea, development, testing, revisit.
Of loitering munitions, all the rest.
And the really frightening thing, right?
The first strategic offset of the U.S. military after World War II was nuclear weapons, right?
We had them, then the Soviets got them, and then it became a big tonnage competition.
And then it became precision strike.
You know, the early version of Gulf War I, you know, with a precision bomb.
Now, literally, everyone has that ability to deliver precision with a small drone, with a...
With a beer can-sized charge on it, you can clack somebody off 15 kilometers away.
So that democratization of precision strike is accelerating the battlefield and the lethality in a way that is frightening, that makes hundreds of billions of dollars of our own stuff kind of obsolete and kind of just expensive targets.
Are we advancing in that same technology?
I mean, you see it.
You see the videos on Rumble.
A drone comes in, they see a guy, he takes shelter, goes through the window, drops the bomb, everyone dies.
It's a $300 drone that we'd be using hundreds of thousands of dollars of missiles to otherwise take out.
I mean, it doesn't seem, it seems very asymmetric that a not all that sophisticated party, then once you get into the jamming technology, that changes, but a not very sophisticated party now can fight.
Way above their weight class and would have been able to take on any conventional forces from a few years ago in a disproportionate manner.
I've said it before, it's like Genghis Khan putting stirrups on horses, right?
So now instead of just riding a horse, you can fight from it.
That speed that can come from that level of delivery of precision, you're even seeing it against the Navy with the Iranians providing drones, missiles, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles to the Houthis.
And they've been shooting $20,000 to $50,000 drones at our ships, who then shoot it down with a, not one, but two $1 million missiles, because they have to double tap it to make sure it gets knocked down.
The Navy says that they've lost, or they've expended a billion dollars worth of missiles shooting down all this incoming.
The real number is more like $5 billion, because they're counting the billion dollars at the 1990s cost that they bought it.
Kind of your original inventory carrying costs.
Now you've got to replace it.
Now you've got to replace it.
Five times that price.
So it's the Pentagon needs massive revision and a hyper-enhancing of competition.
Really, the big five defense contractors behave like a cartel.
We should probably break them up, almost like an antitrust rule.
Yeah, it was always where I see some of these bids or whatever, and we're going to get a new fighter jet.
So Lockheed and Boeing team up together to do it because there's no one else that can actually do it, and therefore...
Monopoly pricing.
There's no competition, there's no cost controls, there's nothing, and we just sort of accept it.
And you compare that to what Musk has done with SpaceX, because he said, look, we're going to lower the cost of Lyft by a thousandfold, and he's done it.
Yeah.
So competition and innovation, there's lots of great new defense tech startups, and I wish them well, but I fear they're going to run smack into a very cumbersome...
I wish Pete Hegseth all the best in wrenching defense reform, but Congress has to do that as well, to buy from the small, fast, innovative people instead of the easy button to buying from the bloated cartel.
Yeah.
I mean, it does seem like there's a bunch of independent guys that are starting up and doing it, and eventually you get there.
But you do have to break through that.
Sort of monopoly of leadership, because it feels like every general ends up on the board of Raytheon or Boeing, and that's their offering.
So they know that's their offering.
The only way to keep that job or to get that job is to keep selling missiles and keep buying from those guys, because that's going to be the more lucrative position.
So they never bother to try to cut costs.
You know, you've heard my father's sort of infamous story with the Air Force One renegotiation.
It's two 747s, but they're like, it's $6 billion.
He's like, gotta have a three in front of it.
He's like, they're like, okay.
They're like...
Wait, what do you mean?
You just took off two billion dollars?
It's like, well, you know, we got room to play.
And it's like, well, why'd you do it now?
It's like, well, if we do this, maybe you won't ask us about all the other things that we're doing.
But it was like a 30% discount.
And why didn't you do it before?
Well, no one asked.
Like, of course, two planes, and I understand they have nice communication systems on them, etc.
But like, they don't have three billion of communications.
What do they sell a 747 to Lufthansa for?
Yeah, like 300 million?
Yeah, exactly.
You know, like, you know, so yeah, fine.
Soup it up.
Put straight pipes on it.
A little turbocharge it.
Some extra communications.
But like $4 billion worth?
And when you're spending your own money, it's a very different buy cycle.
And so that's the divorce of people that have to live with the consequences versus the spending of it is horrific.
And that's why government overspends on everything.
Well, I mean, you obviously did this with Blackwater.
You guys were able to do things better, cheaper, faster.
And without sort of the...
The cost, perhaps there are obviously lives at stake, but it feels like there's an optic and political expense to an American army soldier as opposed to a contractor, right?
I mean, it's just marketing.
It's the same life.
But you were able to do that better and cheaper than the government itself.
My family's background was manufacturing.
And mostly in the automotive industry.
It was probably one of the most competitive industries in the world in terms of volume of stuff made and how many competitors you have constantly undercutting you.
And so I got out of the Navy and I took over the die-cast machine business my dad started and took it through a lean transformation kind of based on the Toyota production system.
And I got to thinking, what does the military do?
It recruits, vets, equips, trains, deploys and supports people to do a thing somewhere.
And so laying out Blackwater as a vertically integrated entity to do that process really let us focus on cutting costs at every one of those stages.
And that's why we could do those things cheaper, better, faster, because we knew what it cost to do the training, to do the vaccination before deployment, or supplying them, or whatever that was.
We knew our costs.
Government doesn't know their costs.
And so we could literally do things for between one-sixth to one-quarter of what government would do.
It's wild.
I guess I got to ask, because I'm sort of fascinated about when you were talking about sort of the advance in warfare, you know, what the Russians have learned to do, and perhaps what the Ukrainians have learned to do in the last three years.
We were in war, felt like almost permanent war, at least a solid chunk of my life in Afghanistan, Iraq, 20 plus years.
Did we learn as much during that period of time as these guys have learned in three years?
And if not, why?
We learned a lot of wrong habits because you had a lot of people that were managing conflict instead of out to just fix it and to solve it.
Instead of driving towards a moment of absolute surrender, If you think about how the Taliban were hunted the first six months after 9-11, when you had a few hundred SAF and agency officers with air power and their targeting cycle, those guys on the hill were going now.
Minutes, not hours.
And then six months into it, when Bagram became a big normal base, when the beards had to go away and starch khakis, when the conventional military came, then it became a...
Very conventional planning cycle of days, weeks, months to go target the enemy.
And so it was just a 19-year repeat of that nonsense that we learned all the wrong habits and promoted all the wrong people.
Because all the commanders...
I think of General Milley, and I see him there with his badges.
North Korean-level badges.
Eisenhower had one.
One World War II. You know, this guy's got...
It is.
It was like North Korea propaganda.
And I'm like, I don't know that you've won anything.
Why are you here?
Why do you have those accolades?
And that's my...
You've perpetuated death.
We went through 19 rotations of commanders in that duration.
And all of them were promoted.
All of them fully retired.
No one called to account to say, you were given almost unlimited funds.
And you...
Significant casualties and what do you have to show for it?
And it's unacceptable.
So returning a culture of accountability, I am all in favor of Pete Hegseth bringing accountability and cleaning house.
And if we don't do it, then we are truly not ready to fight the next war.
Listen, I couldn't agree with you more and I hope they get it done, but it's going to be no small feat because that is...
That is entrenched as bureaucracy in any other agency in D.C., and maybe worse.
It's not a few dozen officers here and there.
It's hundreds and hundreds of flag officers, colonels, staff officers, and tens of thousands of DOD civilians all need to go.
Well, it gives me hope that the January recruitment numbers into the Army were the highest in modern history.
Yep.
After coming out of the Biden administration, where even the last few months of that were the lowest in history.
So it gives me hope that young patriots believe that we can fix this, but we're going to actually have to fix it.
We can't just...
People respond to leadership.
Yeah.
Hard to believe.
Clear rudder orders.
So speaking of leadership, I'd love to kind of get your 30,000-foot view of where we are as a country now.
What's changed in the few weeks since my father...
We, you know, during the State of the Union, he talked a lot about sort of a common sense revolution.
Maybe I've called him sort of the 80-20 president, which is he's like really good at latching on to like an 80% issue.
Maybe some of those issues now, based on what I saw, again, at the State of the Union, were like 90-10, 95-5 issues.
The Trump derangement syndrome.
I'm like, we've got to take the five and we've got to defend the indefensible at all costs.
Because we think it's great that men beat up little girls in girl sports.
How did they die on that hill?
They're outraged that that happened.
During the State of the Union, they can't stand up and clap.
For a kid who survived cancer, another kid who found out that he got into West Point and was there because his father was killed in the line of duty as an officer of law.
They can't even clap for that.
It's wild.
When I started saying they hate America, I actually believed it, but you didn't necessarily have the hard evidence.
Just watching them sit and not even clap for some of the most basic and decent things that America has to offer was both scary and eye-opening.
The most successful political party of the 20th century in America is the Socialist Workers' Party.
I think their party platform of 1924 has been fully adopted into law and is largely the policy of the Democrat Party today.
Big government, remember, we're not...
A socialist is just a slightly milder communist.
And so that idea of fundamentally transforming America that Obama wanted to do, they want to go much, much, much farther.
I think, to me, one of the measurable differences, and I've said that three years ago, long before this campaign, a successful Trump presidency would be a reduction of real estate value in the D.C. area.
And you know what?
You live in the air, so I apologize.
You're doing pretty well on your own.
I don't feel that sorry for you.
I am in favor.
So I think it's already fallen by $145,000, the median value, since January 20. Wow.
It's magnificent.
That's a big deal.
I mean, that's got to be 15%, you know, 15%, 20% of...
And I'm sorry for the non-government employee people that are taking that pounding on their house, but it is a sign to...
The five highest per capita wealth counties in America surround Washington, D.C. That is an exceedingly unhealthy sign, and bringing that back to normal is absolutely essential.
The cessation of funding USAID, or the pause, and I think you'll find it is such a massive grift.
Yeah, talk about the depth of that, because again, people, you know, I've gone through the list on the shows, you know, $10 million for...
Male circumcision in Mozambique.
You know, $5 million for trans Alamo in Guatemala.
And so let me tell you what...
Trans education in places that they wouldn't even...
You know, I hear about trans education in, like, sub-Saharan African countries.
And I've literally been there.
You know, as a hunter, I've spent time there.
And, like, hey, I'll go to some of the guides and the trackers, and we're having a great time and talking.
And I'll even talk about the concept of it.
And they're looking at me like...
What are you talking about?
This can't be real.
And yet we're funding programs to aid these things that I imagine no one's even heard of there, let alone are actively combating.
And why?
Because there's ridiculous programs and there's even programs like drilling wells for water.
It's a logical, morally defensible thing.
The problem is the NGOs, the overhead that these folks load.
So if it's a $10 million contract to do something.
70-80% of that gets burned up in overhead.
So I think you'll find there's an enormous amount of that money gets recycled back into D.C. politics.
And that's all Democrat.
Back into D.C. politicians.
100%.
I mean, it has to be, right?
It sort of reminds me.
Absolutely.
It is a massive drying up of a reservoir of Democrat funding that has been washed through the unhealthy halls of the USAID. It sort of reminds me, like, back in the day when I was, you know, formerly a New Yorker, and you'd go to some of these, you know, like, rubber chicken charity dinners, and they're throwing a wonderful party for themselves.
And at the end of the night, they did a great work.
They raised $3 million for whatever cause.
The problem is the party cost $3.2 million for themselves.
Yeah.
And it was like, no one ever talked about that.
There was never an accountability of the expense side of things.
And it's like, we're just making ourselves feel good about it, but what's going to actually cure pediatric cancer?
Whatever they were doing.
A tiny fraction of the numbers that were raised.
And when you look at the actual charity auditing firms, right, they don't really view an overhead load of much 10 or 15% as being acceptable.
These USAID contractors were high 50, 60, 70. Clinton Foundation, right?
We'll spend $5 billion on this and we'll build exactly zero homes in Haiti.
And fund the Clinton lifestyle and travel budget.
Yeah.
So it is...
I'm so glad they did that to USAID first, and there's so many more across so many organizations to just dry it up.
The education bureaucracy, which our education standards have continued to plummet since Carter made a Department of Education, and again, that funds so many awful left-wing causes which actually undermine education in the labor space.
Here's my wish for housing, okay?
What we should do?
Is go to everyone that's occupying every unit of public housing and issue them a title to say, this is yours.
And it's yours.
It's tax-free for the next five years, but it's yours.
Form your own homeowners association.
It would be the ultimate empowering thing to give those people ownership, not a mortgage, but a title that they can sell if they want to move or if they want to borrow it to start a business.
But America should get out of the housing business and give the housing to the people that are in it now and be done.
What do you think?
I mean, I actually like the idea.
I know if that happened to me, I'd probably try to take care of my place, invest it wisely.
I imagine the vast majority of people would.
What do you do with the people who say, I'm selling it right now and I'm going to Vegas, putting it all on black.
And they can do that.
And they can live with choices.
They can live with consequences.
But we have to have a society.
Are we at the stage yet where it's like, okay, you made a bad decision.
You're on your own now that you don't end up picking up that slack later.
I get it.
You're not wrong.
But it feels like we've created incentive structures for people where the worst actors always get the bailout.
And that goes true for banking.
That's not a demographic thing.
Fair, fair.
But okay, you can start to give people opt-out ability to own their homes and live with the consequences.
I think that if we want a free and prosperous society, we need to encourage growth.
Because I don't think anybody...
Sets out that wants their kid to become a ward of the state.
I mean, nobody really wants to...
People want to breathe free.
It's an inherent human desire.
And for us to continue that is wrong.
And it is wrong for government to subsidize that.
Yeah.
So, skipping tracks a little bit, I know you're really passionate about what's going on in Venezuela right now.
I had the leader of the opposition on here a few weeks ago.
She's incredible.
Obviously, canceling the Chevron contracts over there.
The administration's holding them accountable.
30-day transition.
Fantastic.
Correct.
What do you think happens down there?
By the way, we got the news of the Chevron license cancellation while I was interviewing Machado.
It was sort of amazing.
It's like, hey, by the way, this just happened.
What do you think happens there?
Because it does seem like if someone can win an election by 90 points and still not be able to, is that beyond the point of reform?
You know the military side of things better than anything.
Those are always sort of interesting powers between the leader and the military leaders, and there's always a struggle.
You obviously want to do things peacefully.
What happens there?
Maria Karina Machado is a brave woman and deserving of our help and our support.
And they did to her what they tried to do to your dad.
They canceled her candidacy.
If she was campaigning, went to stay at a hotel, the next day the tax police would come and close that hotel.
If she went to a restaurant, they would close that restaurant.
They locked her off from any aspect of society.
And yet, even with her campaigning and Edmundo Gonzalez, the guy who was allowed to run, who was really the surrogate for her, wins the election in...
End of July by 70 to 30. It really wins by 40 points.
And the Maduro regime, which is effectively a narco state, there's 34 major narcotic and meth production facilities in the country.
So it's like Petrometh?
Petrometh, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
Really bad people in exporting leftist communist money to all the other political parties all across the continent.
There's sanctions.
I'm glad they're tightening down on the nonsense of U.S. oil companies there.
But it's ultimately going to have to be pushed out.
And it doesn't require U.S. military.
It can be covert action from the intelligence community or covert action from...
Venezuelan patriots helped by outsiders.
That's because ultimately the Maduro regime has to know that there are consequences to staying.
And it should be U.S. policy because they're an absolute malign, extremely negative influence.
And just as recently as like a week ago, they're sending gunboats out to threaten Exxon ships loading oil from Guyana.
Again, creating a controversy, creating a conflict, Maduro claims basically 70% of his neighbor on the east side, Guyana.
It's the Essequibo area.
And why do they want it?
Because the largest new oil and gas discovery in the western hemisphere is there.
Guyana is the fastest growing economy in the world because of that.
And now they're out there even threatening their neighbors, trying to...
Take their land.
So again, he's a bully, is a fairly well-funded bully, but their military doesn't really believe him or doesn't really support him.
A few punches to the face and they will go.
So, I mean, that sounds a little bit like what we were talking about, frankly, earlier with like the DRC and then Rwanda, the Congo and Rwanda and these sort of bad actors encroaching on their neighbors that may be resource rich.
That seems to be a recurring theme that we're seeing around the world.
It's a recurring theme.
And I think private sector help, helping countries.
Look, we raised some money.
I trolled Maduro after they stole the election.
And I said, if Biden and Harris actually want to support democracy in Venezuela, they should raise the bounties to $100 million each, sit back and watch the magic happen.
Well, that led to a lot of people contacting me saying, please start a GoFundMe.
We did that.
It's called Yakazi Venezuela, which means almost there, Venezuela.
Raised some money for it.
And I can assure you, my friends in Venezuela, things are in process to push the Maduro regime out.
Look, Maduro is wanted, and the U.S. raised the bounty to $25 million.
Okay?
That was one last thing.
It was one of the few good things the Biden administration did on the way out.
And I want the Maduro team to realize all the other people that have had $25 million bounties on them, What is their status today?
Not so good.
Not so good.
They're either six feet under or they're in the bottom of the Indian Ocean, like Osama bin Laden.
So it's not going to end well.
Leave now and let the Venezuelan people breathe free.
So, you know, Secretary Rubio, I think he's actually done a great job.
He's doing well.
And by the way, it's someone who I'm friendly with, but, you know, on a foreign policy standpoint, 10 years ago, we probably wouldn't have agreed on much.
I think he's actually sort of...
You know, really actually embrace the Trump doctrine, sort of understanding what it is and actually believes that he's not one of those.
He does not at all the guy to guy like, well, I'm going to reluctantly do this.
He actually genuinely believes that I think he's having a good time actually fixing these problems.
But, you know, they they said they're going to go after, you know, sort of these anti-American regimes around the world, that they'll actually, you know, be consequences to that.
You know, who are those worst actors in this?
How do you effectuate that?
To prevent it from happening again.
Look, the simple foreign policy should be that our friends love us, our rivals respect us, and our enemies fear us.
And so when you have Venezuela or Cuba or Iran continuing to do malpractice and hurting us, there's lots of ways to dial up that pressure.
Economically, of course.
And even internally, and lots of people that want to breathe free in those countries, you know, it was a huge missed opportunity within the last four years when the women life freedom protests were on in Iran.
Okay, you have millions of women.
If you're looking for an opportunity to regime change, this seems like the window.
And it doesn't require external troops or anything like that.
You had literally millions of people in the streets, women that just didn't want to have to...
Covered their heads and wanted to be able to dance, drink a beer, be in public, and not have to be subject to religious police.
And so not supporting those people and their desire to be free is a huge mistake.
And I kept telling the Israelis, for the cost of one or two F-35s, you could actually get rid of the mullahs.
And it would be an amazing, you know, Iran has...
Very smart people, very educated, very hardworking, a significant amount of resources, a traditional return of Iran, of Persia, to its rightful role.
It was one of the most like bohemian countries in the world prior to...
Yes, and smart and industrious and all the rest.
If you do that, it would drag the rest of the Middle East far forward because it would make them work hard, innovate, and get off of a Muslim Brotherhood line of...
So what do you think happens there right now as they seem to be getting ever closer to actually achieving some sort of nuclear capability?
I mean, can Israel really just sit there and just wait for it to happen?
It does not seem like that's plausible to me as a thinking individual.
I think it's an exceptionally dangerous position for the entire Middle East for Iran to be nuclear.
But again, I don't think that gets solved best by the U.S. When you look at thousands of years of history, attacking Iran from the outside never ends that well, but almost like a firecracker on the inside of your hand.
I mean, literally, the geography of Iran protects the middle.
Yeah, it's like a bowl.
There's Zaragoza mountains around the whole southern side.
So, again, a little covert action, a little cleverness inside, but the first thing we have to do is make some kind of detente.
We can be frenemies with Russia.
We don't have to be enemies.
And so pulling Russia away from China towards the West, we have much more in common culturally with Russia than we do with China or India or Japan or Korea.
Russia has always been a Western-looking nation.
Return it to that role.
So first there, that will isolate Iran and make them exceedingly uncomfortable and vulnerable.
And that's next.
And the other dirtbag states like Venezuela will fall on their own.
Interesting.
So, you know, as we talk about sort of broken and or corrupted governments, I think we've experienced plenty of that even here in the United States.
Anyone who's been watching for the last nine years gets it.
You know, they've done it to you.
They've certainly done it to me.
Yep.
You, in one of your, you know, many ventures, you started a company called Unplugged.
Private phone.
You know, off the grid.
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Because, again, I think, you know, more and more people, you know, if you would have said this, even honestly, even as they were doing it to us, right?
When they were doing it to me with Russia, Russia, Russia, and I mean, you and I became friends during that time.
I'm like, I don't even know what they're talking about.
But, hey, it's the FBI. A for creativity.
There must be some sort of truth to this.
It's like, no, it's all bullshit.
It was always all bullshit.
But, you know, privacy.
In your smartphone, in your daily communications, I mean, it's a really big deal.
I think people are now far more aware of that again.
Maybe we needed to sort of hit rock bottom to understand and appreciate that.
Tell us a little bit about Unplugged.
Yes, I've felt the heat of the surveillance state coming at me, and it's unnerving.
And we decided to do this phone after the 2020 election when...
People were getting thrown off platforms and censorship and all the big tech collusion with big government.
And I said, we're never going to make big tech better by complaining about it only if we can compete.
And so we pivoted a tech team I had and said, we're going to build a competitive phone standalone outside of the Google and Apple universe.
And the more I dug into this, I learned about something called surveillance capitalism.
Because if you think about what happened after 9-11, USG rightly starts buying advertising information.
Looking for more people that fit the profile of the 19 hijackers.
And so that creates an entire industry of data collection from advertisers.
Then in 2009, when smartphones come out, the apps that are built to sit on that smartphone start collecting all that data and it automatically exports it.
It's brutal.
I'll sit there, I'll have a conversation about something.
My phone's not even on, I'm not even on the app.
And like the next 12 ads I see, the next time I open my phone 45 minutes later, it's like...
Just inundated.
Where you go, what you buy, who you call, what you browse.
Constant exporting.
The phone makers collect about $180 of ad revenue per user.
So that's why they're able to give away the free phones.
Exporting your data.
Exactly.
So our phone doesn't have an advertising ID. The phones that you're used to have a 32-digit alphanumeric code which follows you around.
It makes it possible for the apps to extract.
And interact and export all that information.
Ours doesn't do that.
It prevents that at the root level.
We have our own secure messenger, our own VPN, our own store.
So really our device lets you be in the world but not collected and exported to all of it.
And so especially in an era of AI, like the average kid in America has, by the time they reach the age of 13, has 72 million data points collected.
Okay?
I imagine someone could go many lifetimes a few years ago without getting anywhere near that.
But now, when an LLM large language module gets a hold of all that data, now they can effectively digitally groom you to put whatever it is they want you to think about in front of you.
And so it's pretty frightening.
So, again, our device lets you navigate, bank, communicate, airlines, sports.
Video streaming, all the rest, but it's a little different because you're not being digitally groomed for whatever it is you're supposed to see.
How does all of this, when you talk about security and privacy, what are your thoughts on crypto?
How people should be looking at that?
Where are your thoughts there?
Because again, it seems like, for me, as I've gotten into that world and getting it, it seems like a great hedge against some of the insanity going on right now.
It does seem to have that now.
Anybody that uses crypto should have an unplugged phone.
Why?
Because we don't have an advertising idea.
It's hard for a hacker to find which device has a wallet on it.
And because our device is very hard to hack, your wallet is significantly safer on our device.
I'm in favor of crypto.
I'm in favor of alternate currencies because big government and the hegemony that comes with that kind of monopoly is extremely dangerous.
Unfortunately, President Trump will not be president for more than the next three and a half years.
And we have to be careful of what comes next.
And constant vigilance in protecting liberty and restraining the size of government also comes with currency discipline.
So I'm in favor of crypto.
There will be a shakeout.
If you think about when America got independence, there was probably a dozen.
Or 20-some different competitive currencies in America.
State-level currencies, etc.
And so that's kind of what you're seeing in crypto and there'll be a shaking out consolidation.
The cream will rise to the top and everything else will go, by the way.
It is the capitalist way.
Seems to work out pretty well usually here.
We'll see what happens.
But Eric, thank you so much.
Really appreciate you being here.
You're welcome.
And if people want a phone, they can get it at unplugged.com.
And we'll deliver in two days.
Very nice.
I'll get you one.
Appreciate it, man.
Thanks as always.
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