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My Visit to Serbia & Conversation with President Vucic | Triggered Ep224

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	Thank you.
	And today is yet another special show, because we took the show abroad to Belgrade, Serbia, where I sat down with Serbian President Aleksandr Vucic.
	It was a fascinating and eye-opening experience.
	Serbia is a country that finds itself actually standing for sovereignty and secure borders, while Western Europe is doing exactly the opposite.
	It's a country where the legacy of the 1999 NATO bombing still looms large.
	And what's incredibly fascinating is that groups like NATO had the very different view of territorial integrity when it comes to Serbia and Kosovo when you compare it to their position on Ukraine.
	In the interview, we will get into all of that.
	Serbia finds itself located in a unique place, both literally and figuratively.
	It's a landlocked country at the crossroads of Southeast and Central Europe located in the Balkans.
	Serbia is part of the former Yugoslavia.
	During the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbia formed a union with Montenegro, which was dissolved in 2006, restoring Serbia's independence as a sovereign state.
	Tensions in Kosovo and ethnically Albanian region in Serbia escalated into open conflict in 1998. NATO actually bombed We
	also discuss the issue of Kosovo more broadly.
	And even many in Washington want to normalize relations between Kosovo and Serbia.
	But Serbia maintains and argues very passionately that it is part of its own sovereign territory.
	There's a lot to get into and you're going to learn a lot.
	President Vucic also knows very well both Vladimir Zelensky and Putin.
	He knows them well.
	He spent a lot of time with them.
	Of what you're not hearing from most of the media.
	And walking through Belgrade, you see the various remnants, legacy, and history of so much.
	There's the ancient city.
	There's the remnants of Yugoslavia and the Soviet sphere of influence.
	And then there's the new modern element of the city, symbolizing the growth potential and the embrace of freedom and free markets.
	Serbia is embracing my father's election.
	And the values of the MAGA movement and what that stands for.
	That's what makes this all so fascinating.
	There's an embrace of common sense, an embrace of law and order, of a shared national sense of identity.
	And we also talk about the protests you've been seeing in Belgrade.
	I'm sure the media will cover them only one way.
	And now there's seemingly evidence that they are all tied in some form to the same left-wing actors.
	Here in America, that same propaganda machine.
	There's even some reported links to USAID. Shocked to hear this, guys.
	Shocked.
	So you really don't want to miss this interview.
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	And for all the headlines that we cover here on the show, go over to my news app, MXM News, like minute by minute, MXM, where you can get the mainstream news without the mainstream bias.
	And before we get into the interview, Let's get into a couple of the top headlines that have happened this week, along with a quick word about a major issue that could affect your health care.
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	That's with the number four, not the word, seniors, number four, bettercare.com, and make sure your voice is heard.
	And now let's take a look at the top headlines.
	And we begin with the big news overseas, where Putin today agreed to a ceasefire in Ukraine under the conditions that they work for a, quote, permanent peace.
	And the news comes after Zelenskyy reportedly agreed to ceasefire framework in Saudi Arabia with Secretary of State Marco Rubio earlier this week.
	So how did all of this happen, guys?
	To put it simply, Trump strength.
	Trump resolve.
	They understand he's not playing around, and they're going to come to the table.
	It was reported earlier today that my father had cut off all Russian oil sales to the EU and ended the Biden exemption that allowed Russian banks to process European payments for oil sales.
	Basically, it means no one in Europe can purchase Russian oil.
	Even in this war, Joe Biden thought, well, we gotta let them keep doing that.
	The stupidity never ends.
	The Trump administration is making it clear.
	There must be a path towards peace and no more endless death and bloodshed.
	Here's Putin earlier today.
	We agree with the propositions to stop hostilities, but we proceed from the fact that such ceasefire should be such that would lead to permanent peace.
	And remove the initial, original causes of the crisis.
	And here's my father in the Oval Office today with the Secretary General of NATO, making it clear that we need to end the bloodshed.
	We're going to be discussing a lot of things, obviously.
	We'll be discussing what's happening with respect to Ukraine and Russia.
	At this moment, we have people talking in Russia.
	We have representatives over there, Steve Witkoff and others, and they're in very serious discussions.
	As you know, Ukraine has agreed, subject to this, what's happening today, to a complete ceasefire, and we hope Russia will do the same.
	Thousands of people are being killed, young people usually, mostly.
	Young people, we were just talking about it.
	Thousands of young people are being killed a week.
	And we want to see that stop.
	And they're not Americans, and they're not from the Netherlands, for the most part.
	They're from Russia, and they're from Ukraine.
	But they're people.
	And I think everybody feels the same way.
	We want it to stop.
	It's also a tremendous cost to the United States and to other countries.
	And it's something that would have never happened if I were president.
	And it makes me very angry to see that it did happen.
	But it happened, and we have to stop it.
	And Mark has done some really good work over the last week.
	We've been working together.
	And he's done some really good work.
	So I'm very happy about that.
	We'll also be talking about trade and various other things.
	And I think we'll have a very, very strong day.
	We're gonna have lunch afterwards.
	That'll go.
	And then we'll see you all later.
	It's yet another example of all we needed was a new president.
	It's that simple, folks.
	We need to end the death.
	End the endless wars and actually care about US taxpayer dollars and how they're being spent.
	Because we're learning today even more about just how much USAID was not just being wasted, but artificially propping up other countries' economies.
	Look at this chart for a second.
	It's absolutely mind-blowing.
	It was released by the news outlet Semaphore.
	Did you know that American aid, just through USAID, not including the other places they probably got American aid from, but just through USAID, amounted to 40% of Somalia's GDP, their gross domestic product.
	40% of what they earned was from USAID. 40% of the entire nation!
	And the numbers are similar for other African countries.
	It's absolutely Like I told you last week, we are just at the tip of the iceberg.
	And here's yet another example of that.
	USAID was literally propping up entire world economies.
	And meanwhile, over at the EPA, Lee Zeldin, many have called him the legend of Zeldin, is delivering on the biggest deregulatory action in U.S. history within the agency by overhauling 31...
	Far left, economy-killing environmental rules dating back to the Obama era.
	And the media is melting down.
	But they don't even have their own facts right.
	Just look at CNN's climate expert, Bill Weir.
	Today, Lee Zeldin put out a video on X and they were putting out press releases with such a flurry, about 31 different actions and rollbacks, that some of them had typos or placeholders at the top.
	We have one of those there.
	Trump EPA announces zero, zero, zero.
	You can see there.
	It's sort of shoot first, fill out the press release later.
	As Zeldin explained, the fact checker doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking O-O-O-O-B slash C is not a typo.
	40 CFR Part 6C Quad Zero is a federal regulation.
	Under the Clean Air Act.
	Those aren't zeros.
	It's the letter O. They don't even know what any of it means.
	They just want to jump and say it's a typo and they can't get it right in a press release.
	So Lee is finding billions.
	He's ending the insanity.
	He's stopping the regulations that have smothered and stymied American growth for decades for nonsense.
	And meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, Democrats are spinning in circles amid talks on a continuing resolution to fund the government.
	Chuck Schumer announced himself that Senate Democrats will block the House past CR. These are the same Democrats, just reminding you, who have said for years that shutting down the government is the worst thing you can do.
	Here's a quick trip down memory lane for those of you who missed it or forgot.
	Courtesy of the Republican congressman and my friend and friend of the show, Wesley Hunt.
	Republicans are marching America to a painful government shutdown.
	But we need traditional Republicans to break with MAGA extremists so we can keep the government open.
	Republican shutdown will cost 6,306 of her constituents their paychecks.
	Put the bill on the floor for another down vote so we can end.
	This MAGA Republican nightmare.
	And if you don't, you own this government shutdown.
	And we could put the threat of a shutdown behind us.
	Our agreement would keep the government open, provide emergency aid for communities battered by hurricanes and other natural disasters.
	It's about the harm that House Republicans will do to the American people if the government shuts down.
	One Democrat said to me they feel like they have a mandate from their constituents to shut down the government.
	Raising the possibility of shutting down the government in March.
	We will use whatever power we have and fundamentally we're not going to vote for something that undermines the American people.
	To withhold votes, do Democrats have the stomach?
	I certainly hope so.
	I know that I'm not going to vote for their proposal for sure.
	Are you prepared to shut down the government to join Democratic colleagues who want to stand in the way of keeping the government open?
	So yes, look, if we have to take steps...
	14 days from now, government shutdown is looming.
	If we don't believe that we have a willing partner on the other side, then we need to stay united and not bail out President Trump.
	Yet at the same time, in order for a lot of voters to fully understand what Elon Musk and Donald Trump are doing, people are unfortunately going to have to feel some of that.
	And the only way that that happens is if the shutdown happened.
	Have you ever seen a delusional Democrat party as bad as this?
	They used to be at least, I guess they'd pretend to want what's best for the country.
	Now they just spew endless hate and rage at all things Trump.
	Because despite their hysteria, the Trump agenda is working.
	And it's firing on all cylinders.
	Just look at this clip from CNBC on how the inflation report shattered expectations.
	Up zero.
	Zero.
	On the headline, expecting up three tenths.
	Up zero.
	Goose egg.
	Unched.
	Boy, that is progress.
	We haven't had a number that low.
	Well, we equaled it in July of last year when we had another zero.
	To find a lower number, you're back to October.
	October of 23 at minus four tenths.
	Strip out the all-important food and energy.
	Down one tenth.
	Down one-tenth, that's four-tenths lower than expectations.
	Down one-tenth also equals July of last year.
	Find a lower number, you're going back to COVID times.
	April of 2020. And guys, as we wrap up the news rundown, we have some big news on a topic we'll actually discuss in the interview.
	ActBlue.
	You know, the big Democrat fundraising apparatus, the one that seems to raise five times more than Republicans can ever raise.
	Well, in a letter sent to the Treasury Department on Tuesday, Republican Congressman Daryl Issa called it imperative that the agency look into whether ActBlue charities had reason to know it was handing payments that could support terror.
	Seems like a big one.
	Along with other allegations of illegal money laundering activity and ghost donors.
	ActBlue has raised massive sums of money, regularly outspending Republicans.
	And there's growing calls for a full investigation.
	I think James O'Keefe discovered some of these things where one donor made like 18,000 donations in 24 hours.
	Ah, doesn't seem to be legit.
	But there are growing calls now for a full investigation into just where the money is going and where it's coming from.
	Recently, there's been a wave of resignations at ActBlue, like the entire C-suite.
	The seven or nine top executives just all handed in their badges on one day.
	Huh.
	And Elon Musk says ActBlue is actually behind the anti-Tesla protests because I guess Democrats and leftists now hate electric cars.
	According to the Federalist, ActBlue is currently facing internal chaos.
	The platform senior staff began resigning in late February with seven top officials.
	Leaving the platform and a remaining lawyer suggesting he faced internal retaliation.
	It looks like the writing is on the wall and will continue to keep following all of it.
	And our exclusive interview with Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic is just ahead.
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	And now, guys, we go to my exclusive sit-down with President Vucic in Belgrade.
	Enjoy.
	President Vucic, thank you so much for being here.
	I'd love to get your perspective as we watch the turmoil that you see across Europe right now.
	seems like entire existences are going.
	Where does Serbia stand in all of that and in contrast to what we see, perhaps more so in Western Europe?
	Thank you very much for having me, Dirdan, and just would like to present in a few sentences.
	Serbia and Serbia is a non-EU country, and the Western Balkans, Southeast Europe, which is confusing a bit.
	The Americans in particular, but it's a country that is on EU path.
	But our country was number two fastest growing economy last year.
	This year we believe that Serbia is going to be number one fastest growing economy in Europe.
	And in the recent years we really made a big economic development and a big impact on People's living standards as well.
	Of course, the situation is never ideal, and you can always criticize many things, but generally speaking, we are heading, or Serbia is on the right path.
	Let me define it this way.
	But we do invest hugely into infrastructural works.
	We do try to We attract a lot of foreign direct investments and we've been doing that successfully in the recent years.
	And on the other hand, we still brag ourselves of having an independent and sovereign approach towards international political events, actors and also...
	Ideas, and that's what, in a way, makes a difference between us and at least many European Union countries.
	On the other hand, there are a few countries in Europe that are facing protests right now.
	One out of these countries is Serbia.
	Big protests against us because of that canopy fall that happened on November 1st.
	Get into the details of that, because it feels to me, as someone who's watched this play out in America and with my family, a tragic incident, of course, but it was later weaponized, perhaps like our January 6th turned into something that it wasn't to incite potentially even a revolution.
	I was saying the same to my people here.
	What happened on January the 6th for Donald Trump, for all of you, dear Don, it was for me in a way November the 3rd, when one tragic accident, which happens all over the world, like it happened after President Trump was inaugurated this year with that helicopter and plane, and it happens.
	With even bigger number of casualties.
	And it was used in a way that I couldn't believe it against the government, although the prosecutor's office indicted all the people that they thought would have been responsible for that.
	We did our job.
	We fulfilled all the requests, all the demands made by Students here, but it was not enough.
	And I realized that, let's say, mid-December, a month and a half after.
	Then I realized that it was an ongoing colored revolution, imported revolution, something that you couldn't handle easily, and it was not easy, it's still not easy, but I believe that we are on a very good path.
	To overcome it successfully and victoriously.
	It was huge amount of money that was invested from outside, from different countries, different foundations, different agencies, because nobody wanted to see...
	there are three reasons why they wanted to destabilize Serbia.
	Number one was Serbia was performing better than the others in the region.
	Well, that was not a good sign for the others that didn't want to have that disbalance.
	On the other hand, Serbia was having its own independent policy, which was, yes, we were on Ukrainian side when we discussed territorial integrity, an incursion issue and everything else, but we were the only country that was
	Not imposing sanctions against Russia, because Clinton administration was imposing sanctions against us, and we still remember that, and that was one of the main reasons why we didn't want to do it.
	I want to ask about that later on as well.
	I'm saying this, all this stuff were quite a reason to go against this government from outside, and we were not always very much obedient like most of the others in Europe.
	And, yep, we are a small country.
	We cannot easily oppose to that.
	We couldn't repel that easily.
	But now I really believe that, at least in the days to come, it will be all over this or another way.
	But I think, and I'm very much prudent and very much cautious, I think that we are going to win because I see the clear veil of Serbian people, which is on our side.
	It doesn't mean that they like me or they dislike.
	It means that people would like to have peace, stability, and to decide on their future in elections.
	In the election process, not in the streets, not under the influence of some foreign countries and everything else.
	Well, there's another planned protest in a couple of days.
	How much of that is manufactured?
	I've read and I've seen and spoken to other people here.
	Some of these protests, they're offering kids a hundred euro to show up.
	And then they'd have a fake social media account of a good-looking woman saying, you know, you're a ten if you show up to the protest.
	And so kids are basically showing up to a party that they may not even know.
	But then once it's manipulated through the lens of a media, through perhaps the EU, who would much rather control everything through Brussels rather than allow actual sovereignty of a nation.
	that image is shaped differently to the rest of the world.
	You, dear Don, mentioned some of this stuff.
	There are so-called, I'm not an expert on this, but they told me so and they showed me some proofs.
	These are cell phone or IT farms, how to create, how to boost all this stuff against the leaders during the protests and during all these events.
	But the real issue is that if you analyze one thing, and I'm absolutely certain that your father and let's say Elon Musk and some other guys, they can recognize it easily.
	When you see an entire liberal establishment from Washington and New York and LA going against you, and you see that there is no single NGO that was on your side.
	And you see the same in Serbia.
	Can you imagine that all these NGOs that were participating in organizing these events in Serbia were paid from outside?
	From United States, from USAID, National Endowment for Democracy, and some other organizations.
	And I don't say that they were using this money only for that.
	They were using money for everything.
	But also for that.
	Also for that.
	So USAID, and I think Americans have been watching some of the disgraces, you know, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars blown for things that can't have any possible benefit to Americans or probably anywhere else in the world.
	Transelmo in Guatemala is probably not all that important, but maybe I'm wrong.
	But you're saying that that was even playing here in an also political fashion.
	Maybe they were doing some good, but...
	Yes, exactly.
	What I'm saying, we were listening to President Trump, and he was actually mentioning Serbia, saying the USAID was spending $14 million on public procurements.
	But they were spending much more money, which was not public procurements, which was NGOs that became very instrumental in any kind of political crisis.
	Choosing the side that was anarcho-liberal, that was so-called green, but just so-called, and always against the leaders that would have kept sovereignty and independence of the country and of the nation.
	And interfering into all our election processes through all these NGOs that were Allegedly presenting their agenda as someone that was independent, as someone that was not actually involved in the process, but they were so deeply involved into the process.
	Then supporting the medias that were always against the government.
	And I don't understand what was that good for the American citizens regarding these issues.
	Has your government made requests to figure out where this money is going?
	Because it seems like a reasonable question if they're interfering in your elections to find out.
	That's what we wanted to do.
	And we faced an avalanche of criticism, even coming from some sources from the deep state of your country, but from Brussels in particular.
	There is no single clerk in Brussels that was not criticizing us just on a fact.
	We did not detain anyone.
	We did not detain anyone.
	There has been no apprehension, arrests, nothing.
	Our prosecutor's office wanted to scrutinize their financial activities and that's it.
	They were spending that money.
	And how they were using that money.
	And after they did it, we did it.
	All of a sudden, everybody started attacking us and protesting every single day.
	Like, you must not ask.
	You have no right to ask someone.
	We can ask you.
	You can ask us.
	Everybody can ask everybody in the world, apart from NGOs that are...
	Like, blessed by someone and protected by the liberal world because if you touch them, if you ask them, okay, is it a rainy day or it's a sunny day, you made the most terrible mistake and you are going to be crucified by them.
	And this is something that is happening to us now.
	But we'll finish our job.
	We'll finish our job and you'll be very surprised with the results because I got some information, but I need a confirmation to say it publicly.
	You'll be very, very surprised.
	And it will be helpful to President Trump very much in the next period to show what was the purpose of that money, and it can happen to you and to him again, because they're going to use the same sources against you.
	They don't seem to have a very creative playbook, and it seems like whether it's yourself, whether it's Viktor Orban, whether it's my father, anyone who's adhering to the notion of sovereignty, perhaps the notion of traditional Western values, that becomes the enemy of all of these.
	The American left, the de facto American left, which is USAID functioning abroad, and you mentioned the EU. You're obviously not a part of the EU, but...
	You've seen what happens as these nations sort of bind into one blob and they lose their own identity.
	Talk a little bit about the difference between Serbia and some of the other nations that have held fast versus Western Europe that's been sort of absorbed by that mindset.
	We are on the EU path and we respect you.
	But the real issue is that they, from time to time, expect from us to be 100% obedient on everything.
	And my question to them has always been, then why do you need our government?
	Why do you need any government in the region?
	Because they have always been criticizing us because of those sanctions against Russia that we did not impose.
	They were saying to us, you are aligned 52, 54, 56% with us.
	I said, okay, yes, it means that we have our government, our own government, run by our people, run by our people.
	They were saying to me, but you need to be aligned 100% like all the others.
	And my question was, why would we need a government?
	If you bring all decisions instead of us, we don't need ministry for foreign affairs.
	We don't need many ministers.
	And that's it.
	And there is no response from their side when I say something like that.
	And you are absolutely right.
	It's the same type of playbook against Victor, against myself, against Robert.
	In Slovakia and against some other guys.
	And it's always the same.
	And we see it now.
	You know, in the last four months, we didn't use force at all against demonstrators.
	Not at all.
	Nothing.
	Zero.
	Actually, if you see the protests in the other countries, in Western Europe...
	Sorry that I'm using this word, but they beat the shit out of these people that are protesting against themselves.
	Well, they're jailing people for opinion in Germany.
	They're jailing people for saying there's two genders or misidentifying a lunatic.
	And I say the same, that we have two genders.
	Maybe that's also a big hurdle or a big problem for me.
	You obviously don't trust the science.
	Yes, you're right.
	It has stood for hundreds of years.
	And I don't know in Serbia, not to mention in English, I don't know in Serbia how do they call this third gender or I don't know what else.
	I don't know.
	And I don't want to know.
	Maybe I'm stupid, maybe I'm crazy.
	I know that there are two genders.
	I was born like that, now everything.
	I think you're right.
	There are a few people that...
	The NGOs would disagree with us, which is why they're spending tens of millions of dollars pushing it in other countries.
	Yes, but if you go to some other countries, like Germany, they were...
	It's not USAID that was even the biggest.
	From Brussels, from, let's say, from Green Party, from their foundation, from Socialist Foundation, their foundations, they were financing everything here.
	And it was all just a cover.
	For political activism financing here.
	Just to cover.
	And not only that, but also from Brussels and from many European capitals as well.
	And that's what they were doing against your father all the time.
	All European mainstream medias were launching terrible campaigns against him without even...
	Asking him or giving him a chance to respond, but just say that he was ruining values, ruining that and that, and there has never been values, because they were always insisting on values.
	When you come to values, there are no values.
	Can I tell you one?
	Just for your people, because everybody knows it here in Serbia.
	I'll tell you, dear Don.
	You hear when Marco Rubio, when he says, Well, Ukraine will have to do something to compromise or whatever.
	Then they say, but who are you to do something against territorial integrity of Ukraine?
	You, Donald Trump, are going to ruin all the values of contemporary world.
	And then, when they see me, they always stop saying that.
	You know why?
	Because I always say to them, really, you speak about territorial integrity.
	But why you Europeans, together with Bill Clinton in 1999, why you violated an international public law, brought a decision without any voting within UN Security Council, and you were bombarding this country, and then changing the borders of this country?
	Changing the borders of this country, which means that you didn't care about territorial integrity at that time, but now when you care about it, when it's in your interests, and I have nothing against Ukraine to tell you the truth, nothing at all, but when you changed your rules and your values, you stick to the values.
	Do as you say, not as I do.
	Exactly.
	When it fits to them, then they have these values.
	When it doesn't fit, To their interests, well, just put it aside or cover it with something else.
	So, in the big picture, I mean, that was 1999. Bill Clinton decided to bomb Serbia unilaterally, to your point, without real consent from the rest of the world.
	Was that a distraction to what was going on in his personal life at the time?
	No, dear Don, I'm not speaking and I'm not exposing my opinion.
	What I'm going to say are facts.
	Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, just once or twice Montenegro as a part of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and a Serbian inhabited part of Montenegro in the north.
	And Serbia itself was bombarded by 19 NATO countries.
	Nineteen NATO countries attacked small Serbia.
	Because they were saying that we were violating an international public law.
	Now you're going to hear something for the first time in your life.
	That we were violating an international public law in a part of our territory with the possible, in the future, humanitarian crisis that we might cause.
	That was the reason for Bombardment.
	So it was preemptive?
	Exactly.
	But please, then Putin learned something from that.
	And when the crisis started in Donbass region, he said, exactly using the same words, well, you see, it's going to be a massive humanitarian crisis.
	Ukrainians are jeopardizing.
	Russian-speaking people in East Ukraine, and we had to intervene using exactly the same narrative, exactly the same language as it was used against us.
	He did it smartly.
	If I were him, I would have done the same.
	I disagreed with that.
	That's not being an apologist, that's just understanding...
	Just put it rationally.
	And that's it.
	And now when they say to him, you cannot take Crimea, you cannot take...
	Kerson, you cannot say that.
	He's going to say, which is also not good for us, but he's going to say, but you did it with Kosovo.
	And what is going to be their answer?
	I'll tell you.
	Well, that's not the same.
	That was a real humanitarian disaster.
	And he's going to say, this was even bigger, much bigger humanitarian disaster.
	And this is what I wanted to show it to you.
	And is the fact that people actually...
	When it's good for them, when it suits them well, they're okay with international public law.
	When it doesn't suit them well, who cares about it?
	But if you do it once, then you cannot speak about the real values or constant values.
	Correct.
	And don't lecture all the others.
	And that's it.
	And this is all what I said about it.
	It's completely true.
	It's completely true.
	So you've had a lot of pressure to normalize relations with Kosovo.
	There's a lot of pressure coming from all different parts of the world.
	How does that actually look?
	How does that work in reality versus perhaps, again, the narrative that's put out there that this would be something that is simple?
	What is that message?
	Thank you for asking me that.
	Unlike guys from Pristina, I'm not going to criticize them and to use this opportunity to say something bad about them.
	I'm going to say that we were still under big pressure on this issue.
	Everybody or many people wants to undermine our territorial integrity, our constitution and everything else.
	But the real thing is that we wanted always and we have always been open to get us closer to a And
	when I entered the Oval Office, the second question...
	After asking me about China something, the second question was economy.
	Direct flights.
	That's what you guys need to do.
	And I immediately agreed with that.
	Because I understood that he noticed that it was very complicated from a political point of view.
	Because he cannot change absolutely everything in American politics from the past.
	And he wanted to also not to hurt us even more.
	And he wanted to find something that would be out of the box.
	A solution based on a better economy in the region, open borders, and everything else.
	Speak about an entire region.
	But, as a matter of fact, Europeans were going strongly against that arrangement.
	We call that Washington Arrangement.
	Why?
	Because they thought that they were much smarter, that it was a superficial approach, or they wanted to have steering wheel in their hands.
	Well, it seems like if we're talking about Bill Clinton and mistakes, he's the guy that said, it's the economy, stupid.
	If everyone's benefiting, you would think that they would go along with that, or are they better off when they fragmented?
	You know, I... I just don't understand why people in the region did not accept fully the idea of an open Balkan, which we discussed and it was fully supported by the Americans and even by the other administration, Democratic administration, because they were getting some impulses and signals from Europe not to go with it.
	I don't know.
	Is that about limiting your success because you've gone against the grain?
	Partly, partly, partly, at least partly yes, I believe so.
	How has, you know, that bombing from 1999, how has that shaped sort of the values of Serbians today?
	I mean, did that change the mindset and the ethos of how their worldview is?
	Very much, very much, very much.
	People here, they live a sort of Western way of life.
	But since Trump appeared on a political scene, Serbs didn't believe to any other political leaders from the United States now.
	Now there is a big shift and a big change.
	Trump became very popular in Serbia.
	This was the country where Trump was enjoying the biggest popularity in entire Europe by far.
	I'll tell you.
	You see, Viktor is my friend, my brother.
	Viktor Orban.
	Yes.
	But in Hungary, it was, just because of his party, a bit bigger popularity of Trump than of Joe Biden.
	Here in Serbia, it was, at least speaking about determined people, 78 to 79 percent on Donald Trump's side.
	At least.
	At least.
	And no one can deny it.
	Today, these numbers are even bigger.
	Because we had huge expectations.
	Now they are even bigger than huge.
	And there has already been some fulfillments of that.
	And people here, they like sovereign leaders, but that are not afraid of that.
	A liberal pond which is criticizing everybody and everything that they cannot control, you know, and that's why people like him very much.
	And he is the first American president that is predominantly loved by people of this country.
	And that's a big, big shift.
	Big, big change.
	Huge one.
	And I'm not, as you know, we discussed everything.
	I'm not flattering him.
	I'm not flattering you.
	I'm saying what people here think.
	I think even better than that because he is changing something even more important than people could have imagined.
	He is changing the way of thinking.
	He is going against the mainstreams.
	He is doing something.
	Against the deep state which was unimaginable.
	And I'm not sure that he'll be 100% successful on this because it's impossible.
	But what he tried, what he did was something of an utmost importance not only for the United States of America but for many freedom-loving countries here, in Asia, in Africa.
	Did I tell you that because I'm From the very small country, relatively or very popular in China.
	Do you know that, apart from all the tariffs and everything else, Donald Trump is ten times more popular than his predecessor?
	And I know it.
	I know the figures.
	In China.
	I wouldn't have thought that, but maybe they too hope for some freedom and the ability to say what they want.
	I can tell you why.
	They respect someone who speaks sincerely.
	Chinese people are very serious people, good people.
	They respect, okay, you're our opponent, you think differently.
	But when we hear you, when we understand what you want, it doesn't matter.
	We can respect it.
	And that's a different type of attitude.
	Do you think they respect some of the other leaders of Europe when they look at it?
	It feels like it'd be hard to.
	I don't take so many of these people anymore as serious people.
	Chinese show respect to everybody, but I see the difference between real respect and an alleged or diplomatic or protocolarian one.
	What were your thoughts about the infamous now meeting in the Oval Office between my father, J.D. Vance, some of that team, and Zelensky in terms of trying to come up with a settlement?
	Zelensky is a very smart guy, very intelligent person.
	I met him nine or ten times.
	He was doing something for his political position in Ukraine, smartly done.
	He went back as a hero to Kyiv, and his numbers were, as your father was saying it in a very proper way, not very good, but that was one of the reasons as your father was saying it in a very proper way, not very good, Protecting Ukraine from everyone, even from the United States of America, doing that and that.
	That was number one.
	Number two, my friend Zelensky, I think that you can I accept his apology on this because I think that he did not act fully in a rational way.
	Because when you see the President of the United States, particularly a guy that is determined and decisive, that knows the politics, that knows his aims, like Donald Trump, you need to understand your position as well.
	And you are not equal.
	And, you know, people here were, I'll tell you the story, people here were criticizing me because when I was at that Oval Office, Donald brought, or his people brought, like a tiny chair for me, like this one.
	And I looked like a kid, you know, and he was having that big armchair, you know, like a king sitting above me, you know, and people were saying, you humiliated us, you did that and that.
	And I was thinking about it.
	And I said to myself, hey, this is Donald Trump.
	This is the President of the United States of America.
	You can sit.
	You can lay down.
	You can do whatever you want.
	You have to show respect to him.
	And you have to fight for your people.
	For the benefits, for the sake of your people, Serbian people.
	And I was doing that.
	I was doing that.
	And I saw no problems on that.
	And I was shocked when people and Maria Zakharova from Russian minister of foreign affairs attacked me like I was humiliated by American president and that and that.
	It was not.
	He was very friendly treating me, very friendly.
	We were discussing even some private issues and everything else.
	He was catching everything in a minute.
	He couldn't know all the details from the Balkans.
	you know it because you spend more time here and you do understand that.
	But he caught absolutely everything in two, three minutes.
	And you see the real talent.
	And you see and notice how he works and how he brings his decisions and everything else.
	But your job is to, if I were Zelensky, would have listened, would have, of course, when camera were turned off.
	That's number one.
	Don't renegotiate a deal with Trump on camera, because that's not going to work out well.
	When cameras are switched off, then discuss whatever you want.
	Then discuss whatever you want.
	That's what I was doing.
	That's what I was doing.
	It's not a show for everybody.
	Your job is to take care of your people.
	That's it.
	That's what I would have done differently.
	What does that roadmap to peace look like for you?
	If you were in his spot, you've spent time with Zelensky, you've spent time with Putin.
	Twice more with Putin.
	Twice more with Putin.
	You understand both.
	You understand both sides of the spectrum.
	I feel like in America it's difficult because I feel the media has programmed the American people to think that Ukraine is winning and they should be able to get everything.
	It's probably not realistic, but that makes me an apologist.
	I cannot discuss wishful way of thinking because I'm too pragmatic, too rational.
	I'll tell you, I think it's the worst job in your father's hands and would never like and would never dare to do anything like he wants to resolve.
	Because I know how complicated that is.
	But my response is going to be very simple.
	Someone has To start losing in a very clear way, not in a clear way, but in a very clear way, doesn't matter which side, in order to get us closer to peace.
	Well, I think that's right.
	And I think that has everything to do with the money.
	Of course, that's a part of a job.
	And that's a part of a war.
	Do you feel that if this was a conflict that wasn't basically between two Eastern European nations and there was, say, an ethnic minority involved, and perhaps you've dealt with some of that at least in the history of this country, that there'd be more clamoring to peace?
	Because I found it fascinating even during the early part of the election cycle when my father said his only objective was to get to peace.
	And the geniuses at CNN said, "How dare you?
	We just want to stop the death," was his exact question.
	I just want to stop the death.
	But nobody's interested in peace, actually.
	Apart from Donald Trump.
	Russia's rebuilt their economy because of a war.
	The sanctions jacked up fuel prices.
	Zelensky's probably stealing a lot of it, at least in my opinion.
	You can't say that because you're his friend.
	Russians are doing very good stuff on their military industry.
	Of course they had and they still have some economic issues.
	To resolve it.
	But Ukraine was losing many people, as many as Russians, and at the same time they were losing territory, but they were losing their economy and they were losing their future because there are more than 7-8 million people or even 10 million people that left the country.
	I cannot say for good, but it's very doubtful whether those people will come back.
	Ever or not.
	And on the other hand, what I see is that Russia calmed down all internal disputes on this issue.
	They are doing better and better in a battlefield.
	And I think that peace is of utmost importance for all of us.
	How Donald Trump will contribute To finishing this war.
	I don't know.
	But I keep my finger crossed.
	And God bless him if he does it.
	Because that would save the world.
	Because it was not Russia-Ukraine war.
	It was a war.
	Half of the world participated in that war.
	Everybody was pretending that we're not participating.
	And when you hear...
	I heard from many...
	Presidents and prime ministers in Europe, we must not lose this war.
	I said, good.
	Then Putin was saying the same, we must not lose this war.
	Then Zelensky was saying the same, we must not lose this war.
	But, okay, then nobody loses this war, but just make a peace.
	What does victory look like?
	And that's what no one has articulated to me.
	And at the end, everybody will claim victory.
	And everybody will feel victorious, but...
	As a matter of fact, no one is going to be the real victor.
	Well, I think stopping the death is victory in and of itself.
	Now, are you about territory?
	Absolutely, absolutely right about it.
	What Americans don't know is that a vast majority of eastern Ukraine would probably be perfectly comfortable being part of Russia.
	I can tell you, even during that terribly difficult situation in Bosnia.
	When we came to Dayton Peace Accord in 1995, that was very helpful because the war was stopped, at least.
	Whether I agree or disagree with that, doesn't matter.
	Put it aside.
	But the war stopped.
	If you'll be able to stop the war in Ukraine, everybody will say many thanks to the United States of America, many thanks to President Trump.
	God bless him.
	He saved us all.
	We saved us all.
	Because that will be a big boost for the European economy.
	European growth rate this year is going to be 0.2.
	With 0.2, what you can do?
	Not a lot.
	Not a lot.
	Especially not with the migrant crisis.
	Not a lot.
	With all the other crises as well.
	Political and all the others.
	That's why we need to hold, to stop this war.
	I see that they are not interested in having truce or ceasefire or whatever, but...
	Well, they were interested in prolonging the war.
	I saw the statistics last week.
	The vast majority of Europeans wanted to keep fighting.
	The problem is that statistic changed the second they were asked, were they willing to actually help contribute and pay for it?
	So, you know, that's wonderful.
	I'd love to create world peace.
	I'd love to end it, but I'm not going to give up a meal.
	Yes, and you might add even their participation in that war.
	And then nobody will be in favor of that.
	Because it's easy when someone else is dying, when someone else is paying the price.
	And you are not doing it, but because of your global or regional interests, you would like to see more of a war, which is very hypocritical, to tell you the truth.
	And you can see it in a very easy way.
	It's present all over the continent.
	Well, hypocrisy is getting very common these days.
	Tell me, one of your neighbors, a lot has been going on in their election process over in Romania.
	Do you have any insight into that?
	Because as an American, you see at least the conservative candidate is thrown off a ballot.
	I'm sure there's more nuance to that than that.
	I can tell you, I'm not an expert on Romania.
	I don't understand Romanian language.
	Apart from Romanian and Hungarian language, I do understand all the other regional languages.
	From Bulgarian to Slovenian language, I do understand it's Serbo-Croat or Serbian and Croatian, whatever.
	Languages, we all do understand these languages.
	And this is one of the hurdles which I'm facing when I want to understand more of Romanian politics.
	But I can tell you something not hiding anything.
	I have many friends in Romania, including, I believe, our common friend, Victor Ponta.
	He is an honorable man.
	But also, I cannot imagine, I have never met, I have never spoken to Kalen Gjordzescu.
	Never, ever.
	Never.
	And I would like to speak to him as well.
	But the real issue for me is...
	That, you know, I don't understand and I don't want to interfere into their internal relationship furthermore.
	I don't understand why they did not allow him to candidate himself, but maybe they're even right.
	Maybe I don't know something.
	What was that all about?
	Do you think it's some of the same forces that are creating the noise here?
	I mean, again, you have a protest coming up in a couple of days.
	I have it every single day.
	Funded by the Soros groups or whatever it may be.
	Do you think that's happening there and it's just anything that could take out a potential...
	I have the protests every single day here, all around the country.
	And as you can see, not only that I'm still alive, I'm still by far the most popular politician in this country, by far.
	And it's not about protesting, it's about someone's programs, plans, political ideas.
	If you ask me whether it's the same kitchen like it was happening in Moldova, in Georgia, in Hungary, yeah, I believe so.
	It doesn't mean that I'm fully right because I don't know many things about Romanian political landscape, but that's how it looks.
	Do you feel that perhaps you see all the flight from ACK Blue, obviously the big Democrat funder in the United States, do you think that with the cutoff of the USAID funds and all of those, there's a reason that those people are fleeing?
	Because again, it was the NGOs kicking back to these organizations illegally?
	That's a big deal here.
	That's a big deal here.
	And these people that were very well paid, they became very nervous.
	That's why they would like to come to power here or to keep the power somewhere else because they need it very much because they are not going to spend your taxpayers' money.
	They will have to earn it differently in the future, which is not always as easy as it looks.
	They are not used to market terms.
	Yeah.
	Well, I guess when you're playing with house money or other people's money, it's easy to continue a war, just like the Europe mentality in Ukraine.
	right?
	If America's big and dumb...
	And they'll pay for it indefinitely.
	It's not the end of the world.
	I will ask, though, this summer I went at a speaking tour across a lot of even Eastern Europe.
	I think a lot of people, similar mindset to me.
	But there was this notion, even in these rational places, perhaps here, certainly in Romania, that if you don't figure out Ukraine, Russia's going to sweep through the rest of Europe.
	As an American, I find that...
	Almost absurd, but it was a genuine concern for them.
	I don't think they've necessarily overperformed in this war.
	I certainly don't think they'd want the actual full force of NATO. There is something to be said about if NATO doesn't carry their weight, why should America be doing that?
	And, you know, those were all written deals that the rest of the EU hasn't, or the rest of NATO hasn't lived up to.
	I'm not going to take a lot of your time.
	We'll tell you the story.
	Three years ago, when the Russian-Ukrainian war started.
	Since then, I was attacked more than 10,000 times in Western liberal medias for the alleged fact that Serbia was going to attack neighboring countries because Vucic became an imperialist.
	Now they compare me with Trump, Putin, and the others.
	Wait, so you're with Trump and Putin as an imperialist?
	Any other imperialists?
	Erdogan.
	Erdogan?
	Yes, that's what they say.
	Four of us, last evening on German ARD main television, we were shown as symbols of imperialism.
	And you know what is really hypocritical?
	Why am I an imperialist?
	And then I can tell you why Donald Trump is an imperialist.
	Because I didn't take any other territories.
	We lost our territory from their point of view.
	We didn't take any.
	But I still did not agree with them that we should have lost that territory.
	And that's why I'm an imperialist.
	Donald Trump is an imperialist because he wants to defend an American interest and he wants to get something for American people.
	But they always need it.
	But they were saying for three years that we were going to attack someone in the region.
	And we didn't do it.
	And do you believe that none of these big papers, big outlets, were saying, sorry or excuse us, Mr. President, we were lying about you for three years?
	I'm not shocked at all, actually.
	I've been dealing with this for nine years now.
	A very crazy situation.
	If you deny everything, if you try to defend yourself, you always become too defensive and then people say something's wrong with this guy.
	And you don't know how to act on this.
	And then, I don't care anymore.
	They can write whatever they want, they can say whatever they want.
	Like I saw that campaign against you after you visited, we say it here, Gothob, or I don't know how you say it in English.
	In Greenland.
	Oh, Greenland.
	When I saw that, I immediately knew that they were lying something because it was too harsh, viciously harsh against you.
	Yeah.
	In a very stupid way.
	Well, they actually went on the record to say that I was there bribing drug addicts in the streets.
	First of all, it's minus 32 degrees.
	There's no drug addicts in the streets.
	But you were cravingly trying.
	You were so eager to meet drug addicts.
	And they found all those drug addicts at Greenland, you know, with 56,000 people.
	Come on.
	And that's how it works in their liberal bubbles all over the world, you know.
	Yeah, you're guilty if they accuse you of something, and you're also guilty if you fight back.
	Yes, and then...
	You're even more guilty if you fight back.
	Exactly.
	Because you have no right to strike back.
	If you are obedient enough, if you are silent, quiet, then...
	We can forgive you something.
	But if you strike back, if you fight back, and now we're going to kill you.
	And that's it.
	That's how it works.
	But I also feel like, even if you...
	You're not going to win everything, and not every hill is the hill to die on.
	It feels to me, and I've seen this in my own dealings, when I was accused of being a Russian spy or traitor or whatever, you know, who knows.
	Welcome to club.
	Yeah, no, exactly.
	For me, I considered it a great honor.
	For me, they were saying that I was a member of...
	That's Russian club, but that's very recently when they wanted to say that I became a traitor, I became a member of the American and European club and all the others.
	I'm changing, shifting the camps, that's it.
	Their attack on me, to me, was an honor because it meant I'm always over the target.
	I was on to something.
	It was a little bit preposterous, but it didn't matter.
	But I think what I learned in that lesson is...
	When they started it, I came right out of the gate.
	I went on TV that night, a very open book, and even my lawyers, you can't say that.
	They'll put you in jail.
	And they were trying.
	But I think the point that they then came to me two years later, you know what, Don, you were right to fight, because if you curled up in a ball, put your thumb in your mouth and cry for mom, that's the admission of guilt.
	That's when they even go harder.
	They would have so far suffocated you.
	When you have your own ideas, when you have something that you believe that is worthy to fight for, then you have to express it freely, openly, sincerely.
	And then people will like it.
	Because whether they're gonna do a lot of scoffing, whether they're gonna What's the future of Western Europe look like?
	It feels like Eastern still has at least a foothold in reality and in tradition and in identity.
	I can tell you I hope that Western Europe will revive its economy.
	That's important for us because we are partly dependent on their growth.
	That's what I hope.
	And I hope that politics-wise they will be changed a lot in the future.
	And I hope that the influence of the United States and Donald Trump will work in a sense to Get to the point where many things are going to be different than they are today.
	Well, we appreciate you having the guts to actually say that out loud.
	If other leaders did the same, I think we'd make a lot of progress towards those goals.
	I always say what I think.
	And I don't care what the others will say out loud.
	Me too.
	Thank you so much.
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