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The MAGA Engine That Could: Interview with Steve Bannon | TRIGGERED Ep.198
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Well guys, joining me now, the host of War Room, the one and only Steve Bannon.
Steve, great to have you back on.
Hey Don Journey, how you doing man?
Oh, you know, listen, as we were joking about before, I am not yet sick of winning, but man, we're getting there.
Getting there, it feels great.
I think I might have got to my almost tired of winning too much when President Trump showed up at Charlemagne at Notre Dame on Saturday.
No, no.
And Joe Biden's playing goo-goo eyes.
What's the over-and-under that she voted for?
100%.
Like, there's no over-under.
It's yes or no binary, and I'm taking yes.
Literally, you know, there were hints early.
You saw, like, you know, when Kamala Harris showed up at one of those things, and she didn't even make eye contact with her.
It was the red dress on Election Day.
It was, you know, there was a lot.
But if there was ever any doubt that women still like alpha men, it was the way that Jill Biden looked at DJT like a steak.
Like an A5 waigu ribeye in Notre Dame.
I mean, that was pretty amazing.
That whole thing.
He showed up.
He was like Charlemagne.
It was...
Amazing.
They all wanted to flock around.
And you know, that whole crowd is the one that cuts him down all the time to try and cut him up.
It was just, it was, that was a seminal moment.
And that's why I thought, I don't know if I'm tired of winning yet, but...
If I ever was, like, that's a good idea.
Just kill me now.
I'm good.
That's all I needed to finish off, you know, all of this.
But, you know, it is interesting.
I mean, I... As brutal as it's been for the last four years, and man, I used to think it was like, DJT and me is the most heavily persecuted.
You're obviously on that list.
You've literally served jail time for sticking up for the things that we all believe in.
But I'm actually...
For me, all of the insanity of the last four years is actually totally worth it because I think we actually have a chance to do it right this time, right?
If we won in 2020, and I don't think anyone actually believes we didn't actually win in 2020 at this point, especially looking at the numbers and everything, the way it rolled out, but If we just rolled over those same, you know, guys, many of them Washington, D.C., bureaucrats, diffs, because we didn't know any better.
You were there.
I mean, you didn't know any better.
So he's got an R next to his name.
He must be good.
If you just rolled over the 2020, 2016 to 2020 crew into, you know, 20 to 24, I don't think we got nearly as much as we can get done as we do today with a clear mandate starting from scratch with all of this.
You know, what do you see?
Your father, look, he's not a particularly what I call churchy type, but I say this, our win in 16 was providential.
The steal in 20 was providential, because I think it showed the whole country exactly how radical these people are.
And it strengthened us, right?
President Trump's coming back now With a much more defined, I think, task and purpose.
You can feel it.
You can feel the energy, right?
You can feel, particularly in the selections, the boldness of everything.
The Kristen Walker interview on Meet the Press was, you know, she's trying to trap in the first thing.
Well, will you turn the page just in mid-2020?
No.
How about this?
The answer's no, right?
Because everything's coming with a certain power and direction to it.
That we didn't have in 16. And there was a reason for that, right?
We snuck up on people, right?
They didn't expect it.
We didn't, you know, all of us didn't expect.
I mean, we felt confident.
We're going to win, but you don't even know what that means.
Steve, you and I... We're the only people We're not dropping out.
They were like, you should just drop out or it's going to be the greatest landslide in political history.
And I'm like, we got like three weeks left.
We fight, whatever, fight.
You have two choices, either drop out or you lose by the biggest landslide in history.
And you and I look at each other, what's he talking about?
I was like, I'll take my chances.
At this point, it's like, all this crap, we're just going to drop out?
Like, that's A, not very Trump.
In my father's defense, he agreed with us 100%.
But like, you know, the experts, right?
The experts, the people who knew and who've done this for decades, like, you know, this is what's going to happen.
And, you know, they were all wrong.
We won't get into the names, because it doesn't really matter.
But like, yeah, no, it's a little bit nuts.
But that's why this time is very different.
You can tell the whole feeling down in Mar-a-Lago, the focus, the intensity, the brilliance of the different picks, you know, this whole going after the administrative state, whether you got Bobby Kennedy or Tulsi Gabbard, the mix and match of not just Democrats and Republicans, those are old terms, the populist nationalist direction, the America First direction.
This is why it's a whole different deal and everything just gets better.
You know, with every day we go on and people got it.
By the way, we still have huge fights.
You know, Pete had a string last week and now Joni Ernst is on board.
Other people are on board.
He's getting momentum.
Cash is getting momentum.
So I agree with Tom Cotton.
Tom Cotton said last night he thinks everybody gets approved and I do too.
Yeah, I mean, it didn't feel that way.
It felt like, you know, after the gate stuff, you know, they saw some blood in the water.
They immediately went after Hegseth.
And it was like, man, there was a time I'm like, how do we get this over the line?
And then what was great was like, literally, like the people watching this right now, the people who watch War Room were like, no, this is bullshit.
Like, we're not going to let the media publishing, you know, Anonymous sources say all these things when literally everyone who was there on the record, the people who were willing to put their names out there, are saying otherwise.
And it was ugly, but some of those people who were getting wishy-washy, I call it ETP. Education through pain.
But it wasn't coming from Washington.
That's my favorite way to do it.
It's like, you know, the beatings will continue until morale or, you know, consensus improves.
And it was regular people, the guys that watch my show, your show, you know, like this band of America First Patriots, they went nuts online.
They started calling these people out.
They're threatening primaries.
And all of a sudden, you know, everyone's like...
You know, you gave them a little bit of an off ramp.
Sometimes you need to do that.
Sometimes you go too hard, and it's like, well, then they have to dig in because they can't help themselves.
And I respect that, too.
I'm a Trump.
I mean, I get it.
But, you know, watching these people come around, because if they got Pete, they're going to get Tulsi.
And if they get Tulsi, they're going to get Bobby.
And that was the thing.
So if we hold that line, you know, right now, man, I think, you know, I feel really strongly about getting all these guys in.
The audience has got a pretty simple way they think about it.
Here's how they think about it.
The man got shot in the head, and four months later, he won a landslide victory.
He gets to pick the team he wants.
Yeah, this is not rocket science.
It's not rocket science.
He wants Hexeth, he wants cash, he gets cash in Hexeth, right?
And Tulsi, and Kristi Noem, and the whole thing.
So it's just, this is why I think we just got to power through this.
And I'm a big advocate of Swear them in on January 3rd and on the 4th and 5th, everybody goes up, get your committees ready, and let's get the confirmations and have it all done by January 20th.
Let's let Trump field his team.
Yeah, listen, I love that because, you know, again, there is a mandate.
We've got to get to work.
We've got four years.
Now, I think we've, you know, and I've been a big part of, you know, trying to make sure it's not just four years of Trump, but that we actually have A runway of those same populists, right?
I think JD's been an absolute rock star in that.
But, like, others are emerging where we actually have a bench this time, which is so critical.
Because I don't want it to be four years of Trump, and then it's like back to business as usual.
I think that's part of why the swamp was rebelling as much as they did, because they're like, okay, fine, we'll do four years.
It's a drop in a bucket relative to what we're used to as 50-year Washington, D.C. bureaucrats.
We'll deal with it reluctantly.
We'll slow roll them whenever we can, as we did between 16 and 20. But I want to make sure we have that runway and we have that bench.
I agree.
And here's one of the things I think you see it happening already.
Because I think the doge with OMB is one of the most brilliant.
This is going to be one of President Trump's most lasting accomplishments.
The deconstruction of the administrative state and do it in a smart way.
And everybody up here is running around spending all their time on passing the NDAA, which locks in a $1 trillion defense budget before President Trump actually shows up.
And so...
My point is, they're going to come at President Trump in this movement, and they're so sophisticated, so smart.
It's like a casino where they are the house, right?
They know every game, they know the odds in every game, and they know they put the thumb on the scale and change the game.
And that's what we're up against.
And people have to understand, last week, the call to action for the audience to come up, the audience of all these different shows and people to sit there, it was the sovereign will of the people that spoke and said, hey, by the way, Republican establishment and media, we have President Trump's back, okay?
We have his back.
We want to see his team, the team he wants in there.
We want to see him get his policies put forward and approved, and then we'll see what the outcome is.
So, you know, we're a little bit over a month until January 20th.
You were involved in the transition the first time around.
I actually wasn't.
I'm much more involved this time around because I want to make sure we surround those people.
And I think I've gotten to know the players really well over the last eight years, who's real, who's fake, who's trustworthy, who's not, who's going to, you know, who won't just fall to the pressures of the swamp, you know.
As someone who was inside then, perhaps a little more outside now, but obviously I think you and I have generally been pretty damn aligned in terms of mentality on these things.
Compare what you're seeing in this transition versus what was going on in 2016. What do you see going right, and where do you think we have work to do still?
And in 16, people don't remember.
And I do think in the 16, because if you look at what was accomplished in 17, set the predicate, particularly the tax cuts, VA, other things on deregulation, set the predicate for the golden years of 18 and 19. This last campaign really came down, as President Trump says, immigration, the border, and groceries.
The golden years, you talk to blacks and Hispanics, they said, hey, I want to go back to 18 and 19. That was an economy that worked for me.
You know, blue collar wages increasing higher than white collar, non-college graduates.
That is kind of the little mini golden age we had.
A lot of that was laid in the transition that came in, you had to execute in 17. What I like about this, it's a much, this is a much bigger economy.
President Trump, at least the way I view it and I've been around it, he's less engaged in the day-to-day and more back overseeing the whole kind of, not just chessboard, but the whole everything from geopolitics and the war to the budget and the economy to what's happening to immigration.
He's got a very big purpose of what's happening, and I think that's filtering down.
The things you're seeing are so much more sophisticated.
And I think the team, not just the simple team, or the team of the rock stars at the cabinet level, where the work gets done and really you hammer these things out is a second, third tier, and then certain things like OMB. I don't think you can compare at all.
And today, and I'm not just talking to John Kellys and the Madisons and the guys that had reputations that came in there.
They're very sophisticated people.
And at the second, third level, and with like OMB and Doge, you have the most sophisticated angle of attack on really getting us back to the benefits of liberty, which is limited government.
People have talked about limited government for years.
The Republican Party has yammered on about it.
Trump has come in with a coalition of independents, Democrats and Republicans, and he's going to do something about it.
That is extraordinary.
And I think if people see this and see the work behind the scenes, you can't compare them.
I just think...
Every day we have to understand their resistance.
Because they had the nullification project, Don, as you know, that came after us hard.
Eventually we had to go with all these committees, etc.
It's going to be just as hard this time.
But I think they're even a little exhausted because they realize the motive force in back of this, what President Trump is converging on a point, is just so powerful.
So I think people should just stand by.
But the audience, your audience in particular...
We always have to have the president's back.
These things are going to pop up all the time.
Last week it was Pete Hexeth.
Other things, you're going to get the call to action.
What I call, I say it's fixed bayonets, okay?
We're going to have to go over the top a couple of three times.
We don't want to do it every day.
We don't want to do it every week.
But those moments where you hear the call, fix the bayonets, get ready, and then let's get over the top and get this thing done.
100%.
I mean, I think the thing I'm most excited about in all of this, and it didn't probably really pop up until the last couple of weeks of the campaign, was this notion of Doge.
Because having a mind like Elon, people that can look into the details of what's going on, before you even do anything, just exposing it to the American public.
Just, hey, full disclosure, open the kimono.
Show everything that's going on, every dollar that they've spent unwisely.
You know, the Pentagon failing seven audits, losing trillions of dollars.
No one cares.
No one knows.
But they're going to audit you for $601 in a Venmo transaction.
I mean, once the American people see the amount of waste, the graft...
You know, the essential bribery, you know, back and forth between DOD and where the people making the decisions end up and what board seats.
Once people understand that and they realize we've literally wasted trillions of American taxpayer dollars, I think that's when you get actually like revolutionary type change in government where like no one's going to accept that anymore.
And no one from the swamp, even some of the best people on our side, wouldn't be able to expose it in a way like Elon, I think, could.
A guy that's built seven companies, if one guy built one of his companies, it would be a crowning achievement in a life well spent.
This is the kind of mind that can do that.
And more importantly, this is the kind of mind that's offering it up to do it for the American people.
And they wouldn't do it under another leader other than Trump, because Trump's the only guy that doesn't feel the need to conform to that swamp.
It's also your father.
And I realize you guys are too self-effacing and humble to do this, but he is actually, along with General Washington and Lincoln, now of that top tier.
And here's how I make the argument.
And this is why he can actually be the one that can actually take the government apart and put it back together in something that is what we want and can afford.
Okay?
And it does this because when he left, and this is why the Christian Walker answer was so good about 2020, when he got back to Mar-a-Lago in January, February of 2021, That, you know, with everything that was going to come at him, he could have very easily said, okay, I did it.
I fought the good fight.
I just won again.
Big.
They stole it.
I guess I'm going to go buy some more courses in England and get back on the Open Championship Rota.
I'm going to buy a couple of courses here and get into the thing of the USGA, the PGA. I'm going to join my kids, my grandkids, Milani, the whole deal.
Consciously, he made a decision, understanding what they would do to stop him on bankrupting the company, on destroying his family, of putting all the kids in jail, of then coming after him and putting him in prison.
He made a conscious decision that, hey, I'm going to do this because I have, not just myself, I have a responsibility to the American people to do this.
Okay?
Leading up, that's moral courage.
Leading up to the moment in Butler where they try to take him out.
He's a tried assassination attempt.
The physical courage of, as you know, Don, when they hit you on the floor of that Secret Service, they want you to crawl off there undercover.
He stands up.
You can't coach that.
You either have that Just finally inspired like charisma, like the Greek said, the fight, fight, fight with that iconic shot.
That is the merger of moral courage and physical courage that has attracted the nation to people who never support Republicans.
And quite frankly, after the media ripping on this guy for eight years, people finally said, well, hang on for a second.
I don't know the difference in these policies, but I want to give that guy a chance.
He's a fighter.
He's a gladiator.
And that's what he's bringing here that I think gives us so much power.
It's attracted the Elon Musk of the world.
You talk about the Joe Rogans and all the young bros.
They sit there and go, hey.
I'm not so sure.
I don't understand his tax policy.
I don't understand a lot of this stuff.
I don't really understand America first, but I know a man when I see it.
I know a leader when I see it, right?
And I want to follow that guy.
I want to follow the guy and see where this thing goes.
And that's where you're having a unique convergence that's beyond politics.
The reason that he's so successful, the media and all the guys on the Democratic side on the matron matter every night, they're looking at him in the prim of political culture and political speak, which is so shallow.
And that's the reason the Republicans can't stop.
And they still talk in political speak.
He doesn't speak like that.
He speaks at a very deeper level that resonates and hits working class and middle class people in the solar plexus.
And they go, sign me up.
That's why we have a unique shot.
When you've got a brain...
Like Elon Musk, and particularly engineers, and guys like Vivek, who can articulate.
All the guys have for years talked about limited government.
The government's only gotten bigger under Republican administrations.
Now you have a unique opportunity to take this thing apart and put it back together, like the founders of Ramers thought, to get the blessings of liberty.
If we don't get it done now, it's never going to get done.
And that's why this next year, Will be, I think, one of the most intense, particularly to what's happened geopolitically, one of the most intense and meaningful years in all of American history.
And I'll just finish this segment with saying it's divine providence that 90 days into President Trump's second term, his third victory second term, 90 days, is the 250th anniversary of Lexington and Concord, the shot heard around the world.
It's divine providence that That they stole it and we saw exactly how depraved they are to now come back and on the 250th anniversary of Lexington and Concord.
And then the Declaration of Independence 18 months later is providential.
And that's why this is all at a very deep, a deep level.
And Trump is the man he's, look, he's at the level of General Washington and Lincoln.
It's just no doubt about it, to kind of had this third big movement in American history and take us in a totally, to really take us to the next level.
Well, I want to note for the record that Steve Bannon may be the first person to ever call Trump humble and modest.
But as you said earlier, but- By the way, can I say something?
Actually, no, you know him.
People know him.
I'm playing around.
He's got all of that.
Not just that.
People don't understand.
This guy's got a kind heart.
He's a kind-hearted person.
He's not hard-hearted.
This is why so many people in different walks of life, before he ran for president, they all loved him.
He's a good guy with a kind heart and always trying to help other people.
Well, it was funny.
I've said that.
I've gotten, you know, I get in trouble for a lot of the things I say, but this one in particular, like I've said, you know, perhaps his biggest political liability is that he actually has a lot of empathy.
There's a reason he's got 40-year type employees and people, you know, two decades or four decades of their lives, they work for the guy.
Like, he gets them.
He knows them.
He's empathetic to them.
He understands that.
He treats them well.
His thing is, he's also a little bit old school.
Like, he doesn't want to show...
That empathy.
He doesn't like talking about those things.
I'm like, every other politician in America would jump on each, you know, one of these stories and ride it to the presidency.
He doesn't want to talk about dozens of them because he thinks, you know, I can't go negotiate against Putin if he thinks I'm soft.
Like, it's sort of amazing.
I know you've been around close enough to actually have seen that.
I've seen it.
Other people in there are like, what are you talking about?
I'm like, no, trust me.
Like, just, you know, talk to him.
And you hear these stories.
People come out who are not part of the campaign.
They're like, Donald Trump did this for me when I was 14 years old.
And, you know, I can't believe it.
It changed the course of my life.
And my father was like, You know, great to see you.
There's really no cameras, no cameras.
We went away.
You know, it's sort of funny.
Big.
So Steve, this is sort of a big one.
I know something you rally about a lot, and I certainly do.
But when you look abroad right now, it seems that whoever's actually running the White House in these last days wants to sow as much chaos as possible.
More Ukraine funding, a power vacuum in Syria.
It seems like they're literally trying to create something that they can then flip into my father and be like, Oh, you know, it's yours.
You own this now to continue, you know, that nonsense.
Will America be more engulfed in war before my father even gets into office?
And frankly, is that intentional so that they can make him own it?
It feels like, you know, I watch, you know, I always use this sort of analogy, you know, Ukraine shot a Russian Jeep.
It was a major victory, but they withdrew from three quarters of the country.
You know, Russia's making gains every day, but the American people think Ukraine's winning.
They're putting up a resistance because we're spending a trillion dollars there.
Sure, but they're not winning this war.
But in the minds of the American public, if they watch sort of the lamestream media, they think they're winning so that anything less than Russia's out, Ukraine gets everything, they become a member of NATO, looks like a loss.
Even if that's not even in the realm of possibility, they feel like they're sowing that so they can use it as a narrative.
That when my father creates peace, no matter what, even if it just stops the death, which seems like it should be the biggest victory for civilization, that they can pin it as a loss.
What do you see there?
Because it's so glaringly sick to me right now.
If you look at the three lines of work of what President Trump has to bring together in the first year of his second term, you've got the geopolitical situation, what I call the Third World War.
You also have the balance sheet of the United States, the $36 trillion, the deficits, the spending, all of it.
And then you've got the invasion on the southern border.
And all three of those lines of work.
The Biden regime is going out of their way to make sure that they narrow the possibilities of what President Trump can do, almost to the point you're forcing crises at the very beginning on the afternoon of the 20th of January.
And it's obvious to anybody who's watching this.
Geopolitically, the arc, that's kind of what I call the arc of instability, all the way going from southern Russia, mid-Russia, through Ukraine, to Romania, the Balkans, Turkey, Syria, Persia, the Gulf, the Red Sea, if you look at that right there, they're doing as much as they possibly can to stir it up.
First off, in the Ukraine, the Ukraine situation, they're sitting there saying they need 500, the Biden regime comes out and says they need 500,000 18-year-old recruits immediately to stave the Russians.
President Trump, I heard him talk the other night in the Russ Vogt CRA Galloway said a few words.
He was very touched.
He says, look, I can't give up classified information.
When I briefed on this, he says, when they talk about a million Ukrainians dead, civilian and military, it's actually worse than that.
When they talk six or seven hundred thousand Russians dead, it's probably worse than that.
This has been a killing field.
And not only is Ukraine not winning, it's collapsing right now.
The Russian army, if the Russian army gets to the Dnieper River, as you know, Don Jr., they have a history of when they take something, it takes a couple of decades to convince them they got to leave, right?
Yeah.
They stayed in Eastern Europe for 50 years.
So the regime, having screwed up Ukraine, is trying to do everything possible to take his leverage away.
He called for a ceasefire, though, that he's in Notre Dame, meets with Zelensky with Macron.
And what did your father say?
He says, I need an immediate ceasefire, need everybody to put their guns down, no more killing.
I'm in in six weeks or seven weeks and we're going to sit down, we're going to negotiate this, but let's stop the killing and let's do it right now.
The Biden regime is doing the exact opposite.
They're forcing weapons in there to the fact that the New York Times reported, the New York Times, not Breitbart, not Citizen Free Press, they reported two weeks ago there were discussions By senior administration officials, senior members of NATO, Brussels, and Ukraine about putting tactical nuclear weapons back into Ukraine, the old weapons Ukraine used to have.
What could go wrong, Steve?
What could go wrong?
Look, and Zelensky's sitting there talking about, well, I need NATO membership to consider it.
Dude, this war started over that.
We're kind of beyond that now.
The war started over that.
Yeah, well, I make no mistake.
Like, I'm not saying, you know, I'm not being, you know, anytime you say something like that, you know, Even logical and right, you're a Putin apologist, but we gave him, and I'm not saying he's a good guy, but we gave him every excuse he needed to go into Ukraine.
Ukraine was literally a 50-60 year buffer zone between Russia and NATO on their border, and it's like, okay, we're going to move it right up onto your border, despite that always having been the red line.
It's not like he changed the deal.
It's not like he was mincing words.
Absolutely.
I'm not saying he wouldn't have done something for some strategic assets, but this war is 100% instigated by America forcing his hand.
And NATO in the West, look, the KGB, you can't trust them anymore.
You can trust the CCP in Beijing.
They're gangsters, bad guys, but you got to deal with them.
The Russian people...
This is why I have a problem with Biden and his regime shooting long-range missiles with our technicians into Russia.
The Russian people were our allies in World War II. They lost 35 to 60 million people fighting the Nazis, fighting the Wehrmacht, just like the Chinese people fought the Japanese Imperial Army.
Those two sets of people were our allies.
The reason we didn't have 3, 4, 5 million casualties because of the blood laying of those guys.
If you look at NATO, I hate to be brutally frank about it, but if you look at virtually all the countries in NATO, except for England, right, most of those threw in with the Nazis or were neutral so that they were kind of with the Nazis, right?
We didn't have a lot of allies in what is NATO today, so people have to be advised that this thing has big geopolitical consequences.
My problem is that instability has now gone all the way down to Syria, where you have Erdogan And the Turks are like, hey, maybe I start the Ottoman Empire because Biden's so messed up.
And before Trump gets in, I want to have a land grab.
This thing's teetering right now on the third world war on the rim of the Eurasian landmass where you go in kinetic and all you see every second, every day, they want to suck us into Syria.
They want to suck us into military involvement.
Everything that President Trump's going to sit there and go, hey, hold it.
I'm talking peace and prosperity, right?
The way we get to peace and prosperity, first thing we do is we put down the guns, OK, because the guns now we go up the escalation ladder.
You're going to have tactical nukes flying around places like Ukraine, you know, places like the Century Asian landmass.
And that can't happen.
And they're trying to box Trump in there.
What they're doing, the federal reserve, what they're doing, the Treasury on refinancing one third of the debt they got to do every year.
Janet Yellen's playing games.
Scott Besson's going to have a mess he's stepping into.
And then on the border, they've got the CP app.
We've got a team in Mexico City.
And at the camps, the people are saying, I've got to use the app now and get in line because Trump's coming on the 20th and they're sending everybody home.
I've got to get in to at least have some sort of chit that I can stay in the United States.
Every line of work.
That President Trump has to turn around on his kind of immigration wall in the grocery situation.
Biden, these guys right now, are actively, actively, actively trying to suppress what he can possibly do.
On top of it, the other thing they're doing in the White House, and they said, oh, President Trump was wrong, President Trump's vindictive, they're sitting there spending all night on blanket preemptive pardons.
Blanket preemptive pardons.
They spend their time with us.
It's insanity.
Remember the crap that we took when like they were there was talk in 2020 about them.
They were maybe going to just preemptively pardon the family and, you know, members of the cat like and like it was like I was like, I don't even want like either.
I've been through this before.
I'm battle tested in congressional testimony.
Like, even if there's a thought, I was like, I just didn't do it.
Like, I don't want it because that's the, well, you took the pardon.
But I have a feeling all these guys and all these guys that are pretending they wouldn't take it, they're going to take it if they get one.
President Trump's answer to Kristen Welker is absolutely correct.
His retribution is peace and prosperity and another run like he had in 18 and 19, okay?
Before the CCP unleashed the bioweapon.
That would be a new golden age.
And I think you can see the sunlit uplands with President Trump, you know, hitting all cylinders here.
But they are...
I'm not in for vengeance.
I'm not in for retribution.
This is all about making success.
He had a great...
I'm here to unite the American people.
I'm going to unite them in a cause for peace and prosperity.
However...
If people have done things wrong and some of these investigations go on, particularly about January 6 or about the stolen election or about what the Justice Department did for the right to life people, the praying the rosary, what they did to the parents, or whatever.
We have to have full transparency.
It has to be done in the full light because the more transparency you put here, the worse it's going to be for them.
I think President Trump's answers are terrific.
And I think, more importantly, the American people back him 100% of this.
Well, and I think this is all why we need cabinet picks confirmed, right?
No unnecessary delays in the Senate.
As you very well know, personnel is policy.
We have a great opportunity of putting in incredible personnel and therefore incredible policy.
In 2016, you had Sally Yates running the Justice Department before our AG was ever confirmed.
Will we need day one acting actings?
You know, will we have confirmations by January 20th?
What do you think the sequence of that?
What do you think the reality of the swamp is?
No, my reaction, my advice to your father is twofold on that.
Number one, The theory of the case is the Biden regime is illegitimate.
There's no doubt about that.
That election in 2020 was stolen.
President Trump knows of the marrowless bones.
You know it.
I know it.
Number one, the very first thing that should happen is every single part of that regime, every person on a commission, on the board of West Point Naval Academy, all 3,000 political appointees and all 1,000 Senate confirmed have to be fired, terminated immediately.
The entire, and all the U.S. attorneys, the deputy U.S. attorneys, all has to go.
Immediately.
You have to purge this thing of these people immediately.
Then in addition, we have to think through right now, if it hasn't been confirmed, and that's why I think on January 4th, you swear them in on the 3rd, up on the 4th, flood the zone.
Let's work through weekends.
Let's work till 11 o'clock at night, midnight every night.
Let's get these guys confirmed.
What's not confirmed on 1,000 temporary acting people put in there right away.
Field promotions for guys on the political side.
You hit with as deep a team as you possibly can.
That's why I think they're doing such a surgery on the guys.
And they're doing such a good job of processing people.
The second, third level.
We get as many teams on the landing, many bodies on the landing teams, fleet them up.
If they're not, guys are confirmed, particularly second, third level, fleet them up.
Boom.
Let's go.
You get rid of all the Biden people.
I mean, every swinging dick that was a Biden person has got to go.
They all go.
And I don't care if they're on the Battlefield Commission or the Civil War Commission, the Smithsonian.
You go through and you say, you sent them on the day before.
Your resignation is, we want your resignation signed by high noon on the 20th.
And if it's not signed, you're hereby terminated one minute after noon.
Thank you very much for your service to the country.
Right?
Yeah.
Well, and they did that to our guys, because, you know, when we do that, you know, there's going to be the stories, oh my God, this is unprecedented.
Like, I know guys that served on, like, I think it was like the Holocaust Museum, and these places that you didn't even think was necessarily a government appointee, and it's like, yeah, Joe Biden wants your resignation, but he's like, I'm on a commission.
Like, you know, what do you mean?
Like, it's like, it doesn't matter.
They got rid of everyone, and so, you know, they've sort of set that precedent, so I think you're 100% right.
And then we fleet up as many people as possible and hit as possible.
And then I think it's very concentrated, I guess, now on the reconciliation.
Well, first of all, I think President Trump's going to hit them with 100 executive orders, particularly around the border and around, you know, everything Biden undid.
Remember, this mess started with President Trump finally having the border under control, right, and having some semblance of having a plan we can implement On immigration over time that would be both empathetic and good for the country.
Biden got rid of everything day one.
He put in like 50 executive orders because they didn't have chaos at the border.
They had a very well thought through plan on the invasion of this country with 10 to 15 million illegal alien invaders.
President Trump, I think, was Stephen Miller and Homan.
You hit, you lead with that.
But you hit everything else you can do with an executive order.
You also, I think, put the reconciliation package.
I would put for it.
I guess it's going to be on the border.
What they're saying, the Senate will be that first.
But I would tell them, hey, coming down in 90 days is going to be the tax and the economic, the second reconciliation.
I would do that and I would announce Doge and OMB going into the appropriations process because we kicked the CR down.
President Trump's first budget is going to have both Vivek and Elon's handprints all over it with Russ's vote in the appropriations process.
Then I think we're off to the races.
I think it sets a tone.
It's driving the narrative.
You always have the media on their back foot.
You have the Democrats on the back foot.
You overwhelm them with action, action, action.
So, you know, we've seen a little bit with Pete Hegseth this week, you know, education through pain, all those people that were, you know, going against him, you know, but our base coming out for him, not the D.C. people, the people who matter, the warfighters, Congressional Medal of Honor recipients coming out and having his back.
You know, talk about, though, how loud and how strong the MAGA base has been on rallying around not just Pete, but Cash, Tulsi, Bobby Kennedy, and others.
Let's talk about the election.
I mean, go back in time, and if you go back in time, this populist, because remember, once again, he was down by points, and they're dropping a billion dollars in advertising, and her politics are joy.
They were so cocky.
They thought they had this.
This is just one tiny notch down from Hillary Clinton.
They thought they had this, okay?
Think about it with, what, almost 80 million votes?
Even with the pre...
And by the way, guys coming out early was fantastic.
I'm a guy who did it.
But still, you had to have 55 or 50 million people or 60 million people show up on game day with no money, with that volunteer effort and Elon putting the money in and Miriam Adelson of kind of coordinating on the grassroots.
You had a mass mobilization on the 8th of November that's never been seen before in American history because the Democrats, you know, is the vote so early of...
Principally, low propensity, low information voters doesn't mean that they're stupid or not degreed.
It means they're just not that interested in politics, but they understand something wrong with the country.
That, in and of itself, got by it.
And this is why I say about all this stuff coming after President Trump with Mershon, everything like this, and all the lawfare.
We had the biggest jury in this country's history convened on the 8th of November of 2024, and they rendered a verdict.
And that verdict is Donald John Trump won an overwhelming victory, held the House, took the Senate, won the presidency, and won across the board in state legislative governships.
The American people rendered their judgment after weighing and measuring this for a couple of years.
I say it's like the movie Lincoln.
When Lincoln talks to emancipation proclamations and executive order, he says, but you know, I gave the people, and he says, it's a little questionable about the legality of it.
He said, but I gave the people two years to think about it, and then they voted me back in in a landslide.
This is what happened with Trump.
He gave them four years to think about this.
What you saw on November 8th is what we call populism, the sovereign will of the American people.
It stood up against all odds.
All money stood up and go, you know what?
We want this guy, and we're going to have his back.
And I think that's what you're seeing.
Now, people are trying to celebrate and go about their lives, but when they see a danger, when the flare goes up, and the opposition, the Republican establishment better understand this.
When somebody in President Trump's camp puts a flare up, They're in the trenches and the bayonets are getting fixed and we're going to go over the top and we're going to win.
We got his back.
We had this thing stolen in 2020. We're not prepared to have this stolen.
President Trump has a plan.
He's got a method to implement that plan.
He's brought in some of the best people in the world in the United States to implement that plan.
We're going to give that plan a shot.
And anybody that tries to stop it is going to have to deal with With the sovereign will, not just a MAGA, because I think you're getting more and more people to say, give this guy a shot.
And I think that's where we stand right now.
And nothing's been stronger.
Remember, when this age is written about, the age of Trump, just like they wrote about the age of Jackson, they're going to, you know, I'll be forgotten, Tucker will be forgotten, Elon will be forgotten.
Here's what they're going to write about.
Rachel Maddow, all of them.
Biden.
They're going to write about Trump.
And they're going to write about MAGA. MAGA is the most important political movement in the history of the country.
The history of the country.
And it's really at the top of the first inning.
And I think last week you saw that.
We're saying, hang on, Hexeth, he wants him as Secretary of Defense?
He's going to have him as Secretary of Defense.
That's what I think what happened last week was so powerful.
Yeah, I think you can also see some of this sort of play out in the ratings for cable news.
CNN, MSNBC, they're hitting 20-year lows in their key demographics.
I mean, you know, they are at rock bottom.
How does that tie into, you know, the power that guys like you, perhaps myself, and others have, you know, in the opportunity front, sort of this, you know, independent journalist, non-mainstream media, you know, alternate sources of, you know, information?
Well, there's twofold.
Let's take one, the ecosystem on the right, the podcast.
Because remember, I think you were banned or you weren't on Fox for two years or a year and a half.
Yeah, two and a half years.
Two and a half years.
Don Jr., two and a half years.
Your father was not covered live on Fox from January 2021, I think for 18 months or right before the 22 election.
He was not live.
So the ecosystem on the right has broken the mainstream media.
But let me get back to those ratings because we have the great benefit here in the war room.
We literally monitor MSNBC and CNN 24 hours a day, not Fox.
You may be the only one watching.
We did.
Well, here's what Don Jr.
Here's why it's so bad.
The way they oversold this, particularly MSNBC, the biggest shock came late that night when when North Carolina was called the MSNBC.
I'm not sure Rachel Madden, those guys hung around after midnight.
I think they all departed because they understood they had oversold the victory so much.
There are people who are more traumatized than really Hillary Clinton, because now you had four years of Trump when they saw it was going and going so big with all the battleground states and the popular vote.
Their audience is sitting there going, hang on for a second.
I think these people lied to me.
I'm not so sure.
I was in North Carolina.
I visited some of the hurricane damage and stuff like that on two separate occasions with the guys from Samaritan's Purse.
They hadn't seen anyone from the administration.
They hadn't seen anyone from FEMA. They hadn't seen any help.
It was all being done by private charitable organizations like Samaritan's Purse.
I'm asking, well, no, I don't know.
I'm not talking to some stranger that may not be in it.
I'm talking about the sheriff, the head of the fire department.
And I'm like...
When they were like, we're going to win North Carolina, I'm like, I don't know, guys.
These people, they lost their homes, and I didn't even want to bring up voting, but they would have crawled three miles through broken glass to vote these guys out.
Amen.
And, you know, so it was interesting to see that when they're like, Trump's got a problem in North Carolina.
I'm like, oh, it's the swing state we've won all three times.
So it's probably not that bad.
I understand there's a demographic shift.
You sort of have, you know, the New York in background.
They move from New York to Florida.
They realize maybe Florida's a little too hot.
They come back to, you know, settle in North Carolina.
So there's been a demographic shift, but we weren't losing North Carolina and they had no idea.
It's not an unrelated event that the Roberts made a decision afterwards to spin off MSNBC and CNBC and these others into a separate entity.
MSNBC will never recover the power it once had because there is a certain core of their audience that felt they were lied and misled the entire time.
When they saw the breadth of President Trump, not victory, but the demographic groups running in, I think they took a mortal blow.
It'll be something, but it'll be something different, particularly as they get spun off CNN, I think the same.
I don't think those entities, and quite frankly, I don't think they matter that much anymore.
I don't think the New York Times matter.
I don't think, like this big thing about an op-ed supporting an endorsement of Trump in the Washington Post, nobody cares.
It's the streaming services that you can see on Rumble, the real market streaming service.
It's the podcast, particularly the multi-hour podcast.
It's also social media.
I mean, Elon being at Twitter was huge, but it's also all the influencers and putting up news all the time.
There's a whole new environment.
You've got to be on the edge of that.
What I found is that You have to be giving people actionable news, not just opinions and not just punditry, actionable news, and they're thirsting for that.
That's why I think we're going to win here.
I think that our side of the football is like these guys are now saying, oh, well, it's just we're all populist or we're going to be populist.
Populism is not just something you slap on about a tax cut or whatever.
It's something deeper.
You actually connect.
This is what President Trump connects with the average person.
He has for decades.
This is why he's not a politician.
He's somebody that has a visceral connection in the solar plexus of the working class and the middle class in this country.
That is what populism is.
And to have that connection and that empathy and to put America first and American citizens first.
They can't replicate that.
So I think that that's why it's now incumbent upon us to make sure we have his back and we drive the message and we drive the actions so that he can fulfill what he feels is right for the country.
So I've talked about this on the show quite a bunch.
I kind of love the idea, especially, you know, when it's so clear that so many of the typical mainstream sources of media have literally just become, you know, regime propagandists.
They've lied to us over and over again.
It's not like they're doing their job.
They're regime propagandists functioning as the marketing department of the Democrat Party.
So I've talked about, you know, restructuring, remaking the White House briefing room, you know, allowing, you know, podcasters in there, allowing independent journalists in there.
You know, I get that The New York Times has had, you know, a front row seat for decades.
But when you see the stuff that they're pushing, when you see the lies that they've done, when they're winning Pulitzer Prizes for their incredible coverage of Russia, Russia, Russia, even though all of it end up being a lie, it didn't matter.
I guess the writing was nice.
It served its purpose, you know, again, being propagandists.
What are your thoughts on that, Steve?
I know, you know, I got some outrage from, of course, those people who are likely to be displaced.
But if more people are getting their news from these podcasts, from these other trusted sources, if those people aren't then lying to their audience and they're frankly, you know, they don't have, you know, permanent licenses from the government to have these kind of things.
They've built up those bases on their own in the last few years.
You know, I think it's actually a great idea.
It's actually a way for more people to have actual knowledge, you know.
What is it?
Democracy dies in darkness, but no one's reading the Washington Post anymore.
They've lost 50% of their readership in the last few years.
What are your thoughts on that?
What do you think makes the most sense?
I think following on what you've been talking about, it's structure and process.
Number one, You've been in the West Wing so many times.
Why we have the media sitting on top of the Oval Office, the President's Office.
Because that's how they get their leaks, Steve.
Exactly.
And they take some low-level staffer out to dinner for a steak dinner, so it doesn't seem like a bribe, but it basically is.
Number one, I think in the White House compound, you have the beautiful old State Department and War Department across the street, which is now the executive office building.
It's on the compound.
You're inside the gate.
You move over.
People forget that Jack Kennedy, which is really the gold standard for the press conference, started at the State Department and then went across the street to the EOB. You move all of it away from, and I actually say rebuild the pool that was downstairs that Jack Kennedy used so well.
There's a lot of action in that pool and it wasn't swimming.
I know it's a family hour show, so we'll save that for later.
But you move them from there, being on top of people, you move them across the street, you get more space, you have that beautiful auditorium.
So, number one, they're out of the building, and they're there, and they can have bigger offices, they can have more people.
There's plenty of room over there to let them have more people, bigger staffs.
We want more coverage, more international people, more the merrier.
You do include, you have to include the Joe Rogans and the streaming services, the Tucker Carlson show, all of it.
War Room, we would have, of course, everybody gets it now.
When you actually do the press conferences in the bigger room, I believe that you have to put, and I think this is a outreach to younger people, because if you look at the average age of Fox and MSC and CNN, it's now 69 to 70 years old.
Under 35 is not even cable.
You have to go, the Rogan show, Tucker, all these different shows and podcasters, David, all of those guys are in the first or second row, right?
The mainstream media, Third or fourth row, right?
And kind of, you know, you get called on when you get called on.
I think we have to be very aggressive in this.
I think you're doing it for the American people in access.
I also think you're sending a message.
We're not going on your agenda anymore.
You don't set the agenda for this.
President Trump sets the agenda.
And here's what the agenda is going to be.
Bigger auditorium.
It looks great.
It's got better sound.
We have a bigger room.
More people coming.
Not...
30 people crammed down that little space where the mainstream media takes it on.
Maybe you got a Newsmax guy in the last row or, you know, Breitbart's got a guy in the last row.
That's not right.
Spread it out.
Get more and more international.
We want all of Asia.
We want all the world.
Let them see President Trump every day, a briefing by the press secretary.
And guess what?
In the fourth or fifth row, in the medium seats, you got the New York Times, Washington Post, and guess what?
The coverage will be 10 times better.
It'll be dynamic.
It'll be urgent.
It'll also keep them honest, because I see how those clips used to fly.
You know how it is online, right?
The first two guys that get the clip, they make it go viral with whatever narrative they want, and then everyone else is basically rinse and repeat, cut and pasting, whatever it may be.
You have more people in the room that mainstream media tries doing that, where they're manipulating...
They play the first half of the answer, but not the second half that's the disclaimer language that actually explains what's really going on.
It's two different narratives.
I think just having that expansion...
Frankly, it keeps everyone honest, but mostly the people who have been manipulating.
So I agree with your idea a million percent.
And I hope that the comms teams over there, I hope we're in the execution part of this and not debating it.
To me, it's not debatable.
Move them out of the building, get them.
They're underfoot to President Trump.
It's not acceptable.
They're underfoot.
Get them out of the building.
Give them more space.
And then let's have a bigger auditorium.
When President Trump goes over to a press conference, it kind of replicates what Kennedy did.
And I think it's better optics and a better process.
Yeah.
So, you know, you said it's the Trump agenda, but as we wrap up here, give me the Steve Bannon war room minute one agenda for January 20th.
Tom Holman told me to expect shock and awe, which I like.
God knows we need it because it's been so bad for far too long.
What do you think?
What's the Bannon minute one agenda?
I think it's Homan and Miller on everything we're dealing in, 50 or 60 executive orders regarding that.
I think it's also on the economy.
I think it's an immediate spending freeze.
You cap everything in an executive order immediately, full stop.
Besant, Navarro, you know, all the...
National Economic Council, everybody coming together for the plan, working with the House on appropriations to get a budget for President Trump immediately.
And then on the wars, quite frankly, I think you set up, you start, President Trump says, I want to sit down with people, right?
I'll go there if I have to.
I'd rather have you come here to the White House.
Also, in the deportations, I think he immediately calls for a summit, either in Mar-a-Lago or down the Rio Grande Valley, where he has the frontline nations, Mexico, Latin America, President Trump, you think he's good on stage, he's best in the room.
And what I think in the first 100 days, we all think, he should be in the room with the key decision makers in the Third World War to shut down the kinetic part right away.
Also, the invasion of the southern border, that all, to me, should be in the first 48 hours.
I'd also, since it's a Monday, I would, you know, maybe the next day or the day after is call Congress back.
He goes up there.
He gives his inaugural address.
And he goes back, he goes to Congress and gives that.
The only thing I will say about the inaugural address, and this is a strong recommendation, last time I think it would have been better if I did the whole thing.
The speech this time, I think he starts and gives a traditional speech to the people and this huge crowd that's going to be there.
I would strongly recommend halfway through just pivot the podium and turn to the political class of Washington.
With the people to his back, and he goes through, bang, bang, bang.
I want to make sure you guys are looking at me when I walk through what I want to do.
Bang, bang, bang.
The crowd supports him.
He turns the podium back around, finishes the speech.
He's put everybody on notice.
As your father has a great saying I always love, no games, no games.
So we just do the no games 100 days.
We're going to hit it with muzzle velocity, and I think this country is going to be saved.
Okay, so some people are getting it.
So, you know, what kind of confidence do you have in sort of the Republican House with, you know, a three-seat majority and a Senate with a three-seat majority?
You know, do they get that message?
Did they hear the mandate from the American people?
I mean, you know, I'd question some of that given sort of the attacks on some of the appointees so far.
I think we've won that back over again in large part due to, you know, Our audience is going after and having the backs of these appointees.
Do you think those people will be along for the ride?
Because that has not traditionally been the case.
To the degree that the cartel members, the swamp, can defer or delay action, they're going to do it.
I think we may have to reiterate what happened last week.
So the audience has got to know that you're not going to sit at home and just get the popcorn, right?
The audience here is probably the most active part of this at all, because they're going to have to continually, particularly for the first 100 days or six months, let political Washington know they have the president's back and they want to see these actions.
No.
I think it's going to be very tough.
That's why...
Given the slim majorities, although I do think we're going to get some Democrats and all these things, and in the Senate, and the Senate to me is still where Mitch McConnell can fight a rearguard action, I believe you're going to see President Trump, who's the best negotiator, lay out a plan, get everybody on board and say, we're marching this way, guys.
Line up and line up in back of me.
And he's going to have the back.
He's going to have, MAGA's going to have his back.
And so I think, you know, he's got a lot of political muscle.
So, as Frank Pantangeli said in The Godfather, let's hit him now while we're strong.
That's where I think coming out of there, that first day, that's where I love what Holman and Miller are talking about.
Let's show them shock and awe across the board.
I love it.
Steve, thank you so much for joining us, guys.
Make sure to check out Bannon's War Room.
You guys are going to love that.
Obviously, the home team, part of the same movement.
Promise me one thing.
Yeah.
Please promise me you'll execute what you've laid out for the media.
If we do that...
Listen, it's a top priority.
I got to get everyone else to play along.
You know, my father will always make up his own mind.
I think sometimes he's like, it's just easy for me to walk to the other room rather than across the street.
So that could be as simple as the decision-making process.
But no, I think to actually get honest and fair coverage, it's almost a prerequisite.
So I'll be pushing for that.
I'll call Caroline Levitt right now.
All right, buddy.
Be well.
Thanks a lot.
Thanks.
Thanks for having me.
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