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April 9, 2024 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr

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Biden Moves Us Closer to WWIII, The Left’s Abortion Lies, Plus Mike Cernovich on “Meaning” | TRIGGERED Ep.126

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	Hey guys, welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.
	Tonight is going to be a fun one.
	We have the one and only Mike Cernovich.
	Mike isn't just a commentator or political pundit, he does a little bit of everything.
	He's built businesses, produces films, he has some of the most interesting political and cultural insights on Twitter.
	He's a must-follow there, by the way.
	And he always seems to be one step ahead of knowing what direction the country is headed in.
	We're gonna discuss a bunch of different topics, and Mike doesn't shy away from even the hard ones.
	Even the things that we may not necessarily believe as conservatives.
	You know, we understand where that world is, and he's someone who's willing to say the hard truths.
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	All of the top headlines we're going to spotlight here on the show.
	You can check them out on MXM News.
	That's my news app.
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	Let's take a look at a few of the top headlines, guys.
	The weekend has been a busy one.
	We're living in weird and crazy times, and I have to begin with Biden trying to move us closer to World War III.
	Joe Biden and his incompetent administration appear dead set on starting a nuclear war with Russia.
	Secretary of State Antony Blinken, arguably the weakest Secretary of State or the most incompetent in our history, just announced that we're apparently pushing for Ukraine to join NATO.
	Hear it from him, yourself.
	We're good to go.
	Remember guys!
	This is about as irresponsible of a statement as you can get from our Secretary of State.
	If Ukraine was in NATO, any attack on Ukraine would draw America into a boots-on-the-ground conflict in Europe to defend what was prior to becoming, I guess, a deity of the world, one of the most corrupt nations anywhere in history.
	Putin has said on numerous occasions, this was always his sort of red line, if Ukraine joins NATO, he's ready for nuclear war.
	This was the precipice for them invading Ukraine when we even started talking about it.
	Now we want to do this?
	Now we're going to bring the American boots on the ground?
	Like, you know, I know we've only been out of war for like a year and a half, so I guess the military-industrial complex is jonesing to get back in.
	But I don't think this is where America is, as much as they may be convinced that Ukraine's president, Vladimir Zelensky, is the high priestess of the left.
	And Biden's weakness is, frankly, emboldening adversaries like Putin more and more every day.
	You don't think that he'd be willing to escalate against the incompetent leadership of Joe Biden?
	And Anthony Blinken?
	If you don't think that, guys, you don't know anything about these guys, and you don't know anything about common sense.
	Wake.
	Up.
	Watch this from Putin himself.
	I want to emphasize this once again.
	I said it, but I would really like you to hear me, after all, and convey it to your readers, viewers, and users on the Internet.
	But do you understand or not that if Ukraine joins NATO and returns Crimea by military means, European countries will automatically be drawn into a military conflict with Russia?
	Of course, the potential of the United Nations and Russia is indisputable.
	We understand.
	But we also understand that Russia is one of the leading nuclear powers.
	According to certain components, it is even ahead of many today.
	There will be no winners.
	I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to be in a nuclear war where there are clearly no winners.
	There is nothing being saved that...
	Matters to most Americans.
	Most people probably couldn't find Ukraine on a map.
	Again, it was one of the most corrupt nations anywhere in the world.
	It's 50% ethnic Russian, so I don't know what's going on here, and our great leaders have not actually told us what victory looks like.
	But once the nuclear missiles start flying, the world would be over.
	By the way, if you wanted to start World War III, what else would you do differently than we're doing right now?
	It's a seriously good question because it does not seem like you would do anything differently.
	This is exactly how would you if you want to escalate with a rough guy with a lot of nukes.
	Torment him on a world stage, cross his red lines, poke him in the eye.
	That's exactly what we are doing today.
	Not only are we pushing for Ukraine to join our military alliance that they have never been a part of, so don't believe this leftist.
	They've always been our great ally.
	They have not.
	Ukraine has been, let's call it like a 500,000 mile, whatever it is, buffer zone between NATO and Russia.
	But now, we want to move NATO right onto Russia's border.
	But we've been sending them billions worth of dollars in weapons, and it seems that Ukraine wants to further this war.
	I read this weekend about wanting to actually send offensive weapons into Moscow and other things.
	This will not end well for the world, and as someone with five young children, I'd love to avoid a nuclear holocaust.
	Despite all of this risk, though, folks, we have members of the Mitch McConnell Ukraine First Caucus in the swamp that actually seems to support all of this.
	Like, they're all for it.
	I guess they're waiting for their board seat at Raytheon, or Northrop Grumman, or Boeing, or one of the other guys who are going to get really rich while bankrupting the American taxpayer.
	We need to stop the endless aid to Ukraine and stop putting this country more and more at risk of all-out war and death because that's where we're headed.
	This should be a litmus test for all Republicans especially because
	Seems like the Republicans I speak to around the country are not in sync with the rhinos in Washington, D.C.
	in terms of their desires, and this country was founded on representation.
	Time for those Republicans to start representing their constituency, not making money by sending us to war and sending young Americans to die for causes unknown.
	And by the way, guys, we just put troops on Ukraine's border in Moldova.
	This month, a group of special forces troops went to Moldova for a so-called training operation.
	I'm sure it's just gonna be at that, right?
	Remember the whistleblower that said we had boots on the ground?
	We haven't heard from him in about six months.
	It's almost like he disappeared off the face of the earth, because of course that's what we've been doing.
	Our government, whether it's the CIA, whether it's the military, they have not been telling us the truth.
	They have not been doing so for decades.
	But now, I imagine it's worse in their ever-ending quest for war.
	This is why the election in November is the most important election of your lifetimes.
	Maybe in the history of the country.
	The stakes could not be higher.
	And only my father can stop World War III.
	Listen for yourself.
	The choice is pretty clear, guys.
	And it's not like a Joe Biden replacement would be any better.
	Have you seen Kamala Harris talk recently?
	Could you imagine her in charge of our nukes?
	Could you imagine her in charge of
	Pretty much anything?
	I mean, she's clueless.
	Here she is, just the other day.
	Do you know, okay, a bit of a history lesson, do you know that women were not, the women's teams were not allowed to have brackets until 2022?
	Think about that, and what, that talk about progress, you know, better late than never, but progress, and what that has done, because of course when, you know, I had a bracket, it's not broken completely, but I won't talk about my bracket.
	But you know what, just how we love, we love March Madness, and even just now allowing the women to have brackets and what that does to encourage people to talk more about the women's teams, to watch them, now they're being covered, you know, and this is the reality.
	People used to say, oh, women's sports, who's interested?
	Well, if you can't see it, you won't be.
	But when you see it, you realize, oh!
	So guys, is Kamala Harris lying?
	Is she doing this knowing the media will try to make her seem like one of the great orators of all time?
	She knows so much about these issues.
	Or does she just have the memory of one of the many potheads she's locked up in California's prisons?
	Because she tweeted in 2021 about the women's bracket.
	We're talking NCAA basketball.
	Meanwhile, the latest fake news hoax is from USA Today.
	Shocked.
	Shocked they're still pushing hoaxes.
	You might have forgotten that USA Today exists, guys.
	That's probably not where anyone actually get their news other than in some very small hotels and motels around the country.
	It's one of those newspapers that seems to only ever show up there.
	They wrote this weekend that Joe Biden has, quote, clamped down on unauthorized border crossings.
	Does anyone really believe that Joe Biden's clamped down on unauthorized border crossings?
	I don't think so.
	Like, what?
	What in the world are they talking about?
	In what world could that possibly be true?
	Joe Biden has opened up the border to millions of illegal immigrants.
	He put out the welcome mat for murderers, rapists, terrorists, tons of fentanyl, Venezuelan street gangs that make our street gangs seem like they're out of children's programming.
	If the USA Today considers this clamping down on illegal immigration,
	Will they report next that Joe Biden is bringing peace to the Middle East?
	Is that how far they're willing to bastardize their profession of, let's call it journalism, to move forward their radical leftist agenda?
	By the way guys, have you noticed that Biden is refusing to commit to a debate with my father?
	That's how he'll run another 2024 basement campaign.
	He doesn't want to explain the failures of Bidenomics.
	He doesn't want to talk about the border or the wars breaking out all around the world or the economy or anything.
	He doesn't want to talk about any of his massive disasters.
	We understand why.
	Because there's no reasonable individual that could look at him and say that there's any successes.
	And trust me, as the father of five young kids, as a patriotic American, I'd love for him to be successful.
	It'd be nice to not have to do another four years of this and congressional testimony and me being smeared through the mud as well as the rest of my family.
	So, you know, perhaps that's for selfish reasons, but I genuinely would like to see America succeed.
	That is not what's happening.
	And I'm sure you've seen the Democrats celebrating the recent jobs report as great news, good news.
	But there's a lot more to the story.
	There were, in fact, zero manufacturing jobs added in March.
	Zero.
	Full-time jobs are disappearing and being replaced by part-time work.
	32% more Americans are being forced to work multiple jobs just to make ends meet.
	But if they're working multiple jobs, that counts as two jobs, so we added jobs!
	Even if they're part-time jobs.
	Even if they're not really paying well.
	It doesn't matter.
	These are the lies they will continue to perpetrate on us.
	And these jobs are not going to native-born Americans, folks.
	People who have paid into a system, people who pay taxes, they're not getting those jobs.
	Over 600,000 native-born Americans lost their job in the last year, while 1.3 million foreign importers' workers gained jobs.
	Joe Biden is America's last
	As always, he is not representing Americans.
	He's representing those who will ultimately vote for him, even if they have to create that.
	It's why the left is desperate to fearmonger and smear the MAGA movement in any way, shape, or form.
	In any way possible, they will do that.
	They're already out there lying about my father's remarks on abortion policy earlier today.
	They understand they want to make that a one-issue
	Election.
	That's what they're trying to do.
	I think my father took a very reasonable response.
	As a conservative, let it go to the states.
	That was the purpose of Roe v. Wade.
	We understand where this is going, and we'll get into that a lot more with Mike Cernovich, because he will have some thoughts as someone who is pro-life, but understands the realities of the world, and I think that is a really important thing to actually understand.
	Here's my father earlier today.
	Today I'm pleased that the Alabama legislature has acted very quickly and passed legislation that preserves the availability of IVF in Alabama.
	They really did a great and fast job.
	The Republican Party should always be on the side of the miracle of life and the side of mothers, fathers.
	They're beautiful babies and that's what we are.
	IVF is an important part of that and our great Republican Party will always be with you in your quest for the ultimate joy in life.
	Biden's allies are coping with his failing campaign by getting increasingly unhinged.
	Check out this recent segment, guys, on Sirius XM on a show called Mornings with Zerlinda.
	You gotta watch this one.
	It's pretty special.
	If that man gets in,
	As soon as he takes the oath, he will have generals walk down the steps of the Capitol.
	He will take a hammer and break the glass where the Constitution is, and he will tear it up in our faces.
	And say, now, I'm the king of the fucking world.
	You will bow down, bitches.
	Let's check back with her in November.
	I can't wait to see her response to Joe Biden's defeat.
	But this is what the left is, folks.
	They have lost their minds.
	And we're going to get to Mike Cernovich in just a few moments.
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	All right, guys.
	Joining me now, author, documentary filmmaker, much, much more one of the better social media commentators out there, the one and only Mike Cernovich.
	So, Mike, good to have you on here first and foremost.
	You know, I enjoy your commentary every day.
	I imagine many of my viewers do, but crazy times as always.
	Yeah, yeah, it's a very interesting time to be alive.
	It is, man.
	I always joke, I say, like, I wake up some mornings being like, you know, are the TV cameras, like, hidden in the ceiling?
	Like, I'm just the star of the Truman Show, and no one's had the guts to just tell me, like, hey, Don, this is, like, you're just being punked.
	It's one big joke, because sometimes it actually feels like that.
	Yeah, it's pretty strange all around.
	I think everybody has that surreal moment throughout the course of the day.
	Yeah, so speaking of, I guess, surreal moments, I want to start with some of the news of the day.
	My father today put out a statement about abortion, saying that the issue should be left to the states and that the voters should have a say in the matter.
	I mean, I think that was sort of the whole purpose of overturning Roe v. Wade, which was like, let the states decide, but
	He also made it clear, though, that the Republican Party must promote the miracle of life and family.
	And I think, you know, that's a pretty solid tenet in the Republican Party.
	That seems to me to be where most of the country's at.
	But I also know, you know, you've said that you can't win a national election with a six-week abortion ban.
	I mean, obviously, you kind of lean right, but you're objective.
	I think that's probably right.
	Is that an issue states should have their say in?
	And what do you think overall?
	Yeah, I watched the reaction to Trump's statement on abortion before I watched the statement and what a disconnect people are saying.
	There always is.
	Yeah, what an incoherent statement.
	I can't believe it.
	So I thought, oh boy, he really went off the reservation.
	Then I saw it and thought,
	No, he said what everybody who has voted on it has basically reached a conclusion, which I don't like the conclusion that people have reached, but because I'm pro-life, I have been, especially since having kids, but Europe, they voted on abortion, they didn't have Roe vs. Wade, and they settled on early first trimester,
	It's been on ballot in Ohio, Kansas, whenever it's on ballot we know how people are going to vote on it.
	My view, and I really upset people when I say things like that, I say, look, man, I'm anti-weed.
	I'm anti-sports betting.
	I go through these towns and I see all the slot machines for legalized gambling.
	I mean, I'm like, you know what I lost?
	I lost.
	Whatever it is, it's not enough to be anti.
	You have to have a message that steers people away from that culture of doing that, which is something I try to do with my own writing, is get people to think about life maybe in a better way.
	And as much as pro-life, what are you going to do?
	You're going to lose the issue on the national ballot so clearly.
	You're losing it in red states so clearly.
	It's on the ballot.
	What do you do?
	The Ohio thing was sort of an eye-opener, right?
	I think it's, you know, basically an R plus 12 state that went 75% for abortion.
	It's, you know, and you're right.
	Like, I think, hey, I was a guy from New York when I was younger.
	I was definitely, you know, leaned more pro-life, not sort of the insanity that we saw.
	And I thought we were doing really well on the issue a couple of years ago when the left was out there literally being like, you should be able to abort a baby halfway through, you know, labor.
	Uh, you know, there was a Princeton professor that wrote a paper like you should be able to literally end your child's life up to the age of six, six years at Princeton.
	Uh, we were losing that, but they're so much better at the messaging.
	And then, you know, they bring up the, you know, 0.03% of conservatives who, you know,
	Well, no, you must have your rapist baby.
	Like, that's not a conversation I'm willing to have with my daughter.
	I just, I would rather eat a bullet than have that conversation with my daughter.
	And it's, it's interesting watching sort of how this plays out.
	Because I speak to my daughter and her friends to kind of get where they're at.
	She's 16, they're sort of right in the midst of this.
	And, like, shockingly, like, they're, they're, they laugh at, like, the trans thing.
	They think it's a, like, it's, it's funny.
	Like, we're actually winning some of the culture wars, finally.
	But like, this was the deal breaker, and they'd be fine with something like 15 weeks.
	They're like, that seems pretty reasonable, like what you could do- But not this draconian, you must no matter what, at all costs, and, you know, what happens from here?
	Well, we don't know.
	We know what happens if it's on the ballot.
	We know what happened when we were supposed to have a big red wave in 2022, and Lindsey Graham decided that he wanted to introduce a national abortion ban, which I think a lot of people should ask why that was a good idea.
	Going on there but we know it's just we have objective evidence because a lot of people like to bring up polling and say America says it's pro-life but it's when it's on the ballot we know what it is.
	When it was on Europe or early on Europe now would probably have no holds barred but when Europe was a more conservative Christian country
	They voted on it and they reached the consensus that first trimester allowed anything after that.
	Maybe third trimester, absolutely banned.
	So it's not, it's not really like people have these opinions, right?
	We all have opinions.
	I try to have opinions.
	I try to have them based on facts.
	You can't really have an opinion on
	A federal abortion ban and where it would go.
	There's actually an answer to it.
	You would lose.
	You lose that every time.
	You'd lose everything.
	And well, that's what I sort of, my friends who are, you know, you know, all the way on the issue, I asked him, I was like, so, you know, it has been sort of decided, right?
	The Ohio, I use the Ohio example, because like 75% and it's not like this was 75% of California.
	This was 75% of R plus 12, you know, state went for Trump twice.
	I say, you know, sort of, you know where the left is sort of going these days.
	I mean, it's totalitarian, it's very extreme, and yet they want to run the entire election on this one issue because they know it's a winning issue for them.
	So the question really is how much are conservatives willing to sacrifice?
	Are you willing to give up your First Amendment?
	Certainly your Second Amendment and all the other amendments and basically the, you know, the freedoms that we enjoy and love as Americans.
	You know, for this issue that seems to have already been lost, at least in the minds of people, until we figure out either how to message it better or just do a better job on the issue.
	Yeah, and you lose on abortion, which is what I tell them.
	I go, it's not like you're compromising on, okay, well maybe we'll lose a little here, but we'll win on abortion.
	Because a lot of people are saying, I won't compromise on it all.
	I mean, you won't compromise on it all, but not the way you're saying it.
	You won't compromise on it all, at all, because you won't have any political power.
	So you lose the whole abortion, right?
	So I see these people, it's like a suicide pact or something where they're going, we will not compromise on this issue at all.
	Well, yeah, you won't.
	You can't in California compromise on the issue because you've just lost it completely.
	And in other states, you've just lost it completely.
	So I don't know, honestly, what people are thinking when they talk like that.
	Do they think that if they say we won't compromise at all, that somehow they're magically going to win, and then they're going to be in a position to run the table at negotiation, right?
	Yeah, I don't think that's ever playing out.
	And, you know, that's the reality.
	Also, I mean, there is some
	Irony, and you do a pretty good job, you know, on your various feeds calling out sort of the hypocrisy sometimes of the right.
	It's like, we're all about federalism and we want it to be with the states, except for this one because it doesn't seem to be working in our favor.
	And, like, you can't kind of have it both ways in our system of beliefs.
	Right, and again, unfortunately, people are not looking at the board.
	They're not realizing that it's a complete disaster for abortion and every other issue to claim that you're not compromising.
	And then even something I say to people that really upsets them,
	But I don't really mind, it's like, look man, their people went to prison for 11 years for sitting peacefully in front of abortion clinics.
	They're prosecuted under the FACE Act.
	There are so many things that could have been fought and aren't fought.
	That you could not compromise on.
	How did the F.A.C.E.
	Act happen?
	Why was that allowed?
	Why was there no movement to repeal the F.A.C.E.
	Act?
	Why is it that if you're a peaceful person, because I've watched the videos in D.C., they're just sitting there.
	They're not doing anything violent.
	Eleven years in prison.
	There are so many other things that we can talk about.
	If you want to say, oh, we're not compromising on this issue, well, what have you done to help these people?
	Oh, nothing, because you're in D.C.
	Guess what?
	You go to D.C., you don't have any rights.
	Right?
	You're not doing anything.
	What always kind of bothers me is big talkers like, oh yeah, I'm this, we're not going to do that, we're going to fight.
	It's like, no you're not, bro.
	You're like me sitting somewhere talking.
	You're not going to go to prison for the FACE Act.
	You're not going to go stand in front of a clinic.
	Right?
	So we're already compromising on it every day when we debate the issues democratically, which we should, by the way, instead of risking a FACE Act prosecution.
	So everybody who's saying we're not compromising, you are.
	We all are.
	When you live in a democratic society with laws, you make compromises every day and you accept things that you might view as immoral every day of your life.
	And the challenge
	of your conscience is when you can't tolerate it anymore, and then, of course, what you do.
	But that can lead down a very dark path, too.
	So it's very complicated.
	A lot of people aren't talking about it with any sort of moral nuance, because if you really think about it, it's a challenging issue consciously.
	Well, you're right.
	I mean, we are also sort of discriminated on unequally, right?
	I mean, there's not sort of left-wing protesters protesting whatever they want being thrown in jail for even having some convictions, let alone just, you know, showing up peacefully.
	So it is different.
	But all the more reason to understand sort of what's coming down the pipeline if you're willing to lose everything for an issue that's already been lost.
	That to me is perhaps the scariest part.
	I think, you know, that could have been a big, you know, you sort of talked a lot about sort of Ron DeSantis and his run, and that could have been sort of the kiss of death when he tried to go further right than even Trump, who did eliminate Roe v. Wade indirectly, I guess, through Supreme Court picks, et cetera, et cetera.
	That was like almost the moment of like, OK, that ain't going to work.
	This is not going to be a winning platform no matter what.
	Right, and DeSantis signed that abortion ban after he was re-elected.
	That's another issue lost in the narrative.
	They say, well, you're wrong, Cernovich.
	Because I got into it with all these people.
	They go, you're wrong, DeSantis signed an abortion ban.
	And I said, OK, well, let me look it up, obviously, when it was signed versus when the election was.
	So he gets re-elected and then he signs it.
	And now, lo and behold, it's on a Florida ballot where they want to overturn it, overrule it.
	And people don't, they don't,
	They don't get out of their own ideological preferences, which I have, and understand that it's what people believe, and it's how people live, and the conservative movement in general hasn't been good on pronatalism.
	It hasn't been good on pro-family messaging, pro-family imaging.
	The Kardashians and people like that took over that space.
	Reality TV took over that space, and
	When you're not creating a culture of life and a messaging of life from people, then they just view it as, oh yeah, you're getting an abortion because I don't want a kid to get in the way of my life.
	That's how most people think about it.
	I don't want a kid to get in the way of my life.
	Why do you think a kid gets in the way of your life?
	Oh, because all the messaging you're receiving is generally pretty hostile to kids.
	You're taught that it's going to interfere with your life and really makes your life better.
	And rather than, if you're pro-life or rather than say, hmm, what have I done over the past few years before Rover versus Wade was overturned?
	What have I done to promote family?
	Not just say, oh, have kids, but really in a messaging that people understand and it looks good.
	What have I done to promote family?
	And the answer is not too much.
	Yeah, no, I think that's right.
	I think you're 100% right about fatherhood.
	Like I said, growing up in New York City, while I was pretty conservative on every issue, it took a couple experiences in my life having kids to actually have me not be glib about the issue, to be fairly pro-life in my own mind and what I'd love and desire.
	You know, again, I'm still able to sort of juxtapose that relative to the rest of society and where they're at.
	But you talked about fatherhood and sort of, you know, how good that is.
	What has fatherhood taught you?
	I know you have young kids.
	You know, how important is it to get to sort of get your children, be with them, get them in the outdoors?
	What are the shifts that you see in parenting today versus when we were kids?
	Well, I think parenting today has gotten better because it's very
	Collaborative maybe, so maybe collaborative isn't the right word, but it's more kind of dialogue based.
	You'll see people, the jujitsu dads or the dads at the parks or the moms at the park, kind of talking to the kids.
	Whereas when I was a kid, it was more, we're the adults.
	We're kind of over here.
	You're over here.
	You're a little kid at the little kid table.
	The kids are here.
	Kids should kind of be seen and not heard.
	And I had a cool dad.
	It wasn't some, he wasn't some ominous figure in my life, but he wouldn't, you didn't just talk to them, right?
	So I remember I had this weird moment with my older one when she was maybe four or five and she's like, Dad, you want to take a walk around the neighborhood?
	And I thought, well, that's weird.
	You know, just go take a walk together.
	Sure.
	And we just walked and talked.
	And I go, oh, I didn't do anything like this when I was a kid, where you would talk to your kids, listen to your kids, see what they had to say about things.
	It was more you would receive instruction.
	So if you had a good dad, which a lot of people didn't, so I'm not complaining about mine, but it was more like, okay, here's what you got to do.
	This is the way it is.
	All right, now go get on your bike, go play with your friends, come home when the lights are out, and then we'll hang out or whatever and have dinner.
	So now people are definitely more about the dialogue with the kids, especially, which I think is good.
	People on X try to argue with me about that.
	We'll see how it ends in the next 10 or 20 years.
	But that's definitely been a huge shift, where instead of just saying, look, this is the way it is, my house, my rules, you said, well, I mean, there's a reason for the rules, right?
	Yeah.
	There's a reason
	We try to rule with some kind of moral legitimacy.
	It isn't that I'm the dad and that's the end of the discussion.
	You try to make it look like I'm a just king who has your best interests at heart.
	It's still a dictatorship, but for the most part, we'll hear you out.
	Yeah, I've seen that as my kids get older.
	Like I mentioned my daughter earlier, you know, I'm going to her to see sort of where
	We're culturists.
	I realize as I'm cracking dad jokes in front of her kids, I'm like, oh my god, I got old.
	I'm not necessarily with it.
	I don't want to make the mistake of assuming I am.
	And she happens to be sort of a very mature 16-year-old.
	So I listened to her.
	My son at 15, totally different mentality.
	He's great, but it's just...
	My daughter's thinking about things around the world in a really interesting way, and so it's sort of fascinating to actually have that conversation.
	I think it allows me to sort of do what I do much more effectively, understanding where that next generation really is.
	Yeah, you're plugged in, definitely, to the culture with the other parents.
	You feel the vibe.
	You see where things are going on, you know, on the broader level.
	That's where a lot of people, too, I think, get out of touch.
	It's weird.
	It's weird because when you've lived something and then you kind of see somebody talk about something, you realize they're not involved in the area, right?
	So, like, you're a hunter and if I mentioned a certain kind of shotgun for a certain kind of hunting, you would say, oh, come on, Mike.
	You've never gone bird hunting before.
	That's not what you would use on it.
	But unless you're inside it, people can get away with saying nonsense, because everybody else is kind of saying nonsense, and they're jibber jabbering back and forth, arguing back and forth.
	And I think especially with kids, I see a lot of comments from people where I think, oh, okay, you either don't have kids, or maybe you're not the parent who's involved with the kids, because that's not
	We're good to go.
	Right?
	They're kind of a menace, like little biker gangs on e-bikes.
	But then you log on to X and all the commentators, oh, kids are not doing anything.
	I think, man, I don't know, have you gone to a park lately?
	There's a lot of kids there, right?
	Well, you know, it's interesting you bring that up.
	As I said, you're sort of one of my favorite followers on, you know, on Twitter.
	You know, I like seeing what you're, but you don't just talk politics.
	And I think there's a component of what you're saying in that, like, there's people that are sort of,
	You know what?
	It's just a thousand posts about, you know, what someone said on, you know, one of the Sunday morning shows.
	One of the things I've noticed you have, and you've already mentioned it here today, is you're calling out sort of the weedheads.
	You've been hitting them pretty hard recently.
	What's sort of behind that?
	Why do you think they lash back out of you?
	And, you know, how detrimental is sort of weedhead culture in America right now?
	Yeah, the weed head shift is funny because I was pro-legalizing marijuana and because, in theory, you'd think, well, how could it not be legal, right?
	And the answer is more like, how is it legal and how is alcohol and large consumption legal?
	Maybe you should ask why, right?
	I was gonna, yeah, that was gonna be literally where I was going with it, which is like, I actually think that, you know, I know a lot of people that have had issues with alcohol, it runs in my family, I've seen it, like, firsthand, I'm like, if those people smoked weed, the world would actually be a better place, if you could get them to stop alcohol and weed, so, and maybe that's the difference, which is that, sort of, alcohol is sort of just, it's just understood, it's longer-term culture, it is what it is, but,
	Yeah, I mean, that dichotomy is really interesting.
	You don't hear about guys getting too high on weed and beating the hell out of their wives, whereas you do hear about it in alcohol every day.
	Same with driving, same with a lot of other things.
	Right.
	So my answer is neither.
	And I've noticed that there's a very strong anti-alcohol movement coming from the culture.
	So this actually dovetails to the abortion discussion.
	Millions of people don't drink anymore.
	Millions.
	And it isn't because the government banned alcohol, even though, as I posted before, there's a lot of evidence prohibition worked.
	People say, oh, prohibition didn't work.
	You can't do prohibition on marijuana.
	And if you go back and look at the history, prohibition did in fact work.
	So that's not true.
	You don't have to be an alcohol, necessarily, to get people to stop drinking, right?
	So, alcohol, in my peer group, people are at least at half what they were doing.
	A lot of people don't drink anything at all.
	I host these cigar nights, and I used to drink alcohol at them, not to get drunk, but a few drinks here or there.
	The last one, almost no one was drinking.
	And a lot of that is through people providing facts and information.
	I think so.
	I don't know.
	I mean, what am I really?
	Is it worth losing sleep quality, especially as I get older for it?
	I don't know.
	Well, maybe sometimes.
	Sure.
	Sometimes, you know, it would be a couple glasses of wine, cigar with a friend after a day of hiking or the hunting lodge or something.
	Sure.
	But you're actually conscious about it.
	Whereas before, everybody's just like, oh, yeah.
	Five o'clock, it's five o'clock somewhere.
	Let's crack open a bottle, right?
	Let's have a couple whiskeys tonight.
	Let's have some wine tonight."
	And it was very mindless because that was the culture.
	The culture was that you did that and nobody really saw a problem with it because most of us didn't struggle with alcohol.
	So you realize, why not just drink?
	So more and more people are realizing it.
	So there's vectors from Huberman.
	There's been vectors from me.
	Candace has talked about it for years.
	And that was what the right or the pro-life people missed on abortion.
	You need that sort of propaganda campaign on family, because the alcohol consumption, if you want fewer abortions, you want to encourage people to have more children, right?
	Well, people are quitting drinking alcohol not because of prohibition, but because they're getting real-time data.
	Their favorite podcasters are all in saunas, right?
	Saunas were so expensive like a few years ago, right?
	Now you can get a $150 one from Costco.
	Obviously, there's nicer ones, but the technology is so improved because now people are like, oh, they want a sauna, they want a cold plunge.
	Why?
	Because people are setting good examples.
	Yeah, I think they did it sort of with cigarettes, right?
	I mean, you know, I did a quick work trip to Asia recently, and it's like, everyone's still smoking cigarettes.
	But here, it's like, you see someone smoking cigarettes, it's almost like, what?
	Oh, wait, really?
	People still do that?
	Uh, and that went from being, you know, you went from the Marlboro Man to almost non-existence.
	It didn't ban him, uh, but, you know, culturally it just became, you know, uncool or, or not as cool that, that it's, it's, it was a, you know, really significant, uh, change in the way we viewed things.
	I mean, I grew up on planes in the 80s.
	People would be smoking cigarettes in a, in a plane and it was totally common.
	Right, and that's how people should be thinking about.
	And that's why I talk more about family, too, because I get a lot of people come up and say, man, you know, you really changed my outlook on having kids.
	We were waiting.
	And then I think one of my tweets that made the rounds was,
	The dumbest thing people do is they get married and then they say, oh, we want to be married for a while before we have kids.
	And I said, well, you have brunch again, right?
	Like, what are you missing out on?
	Oh, we need time together as a married couple doing what?
	Waking up, going to brunch, watching The Sopranos at night?
	Get out of here.
	So, I think that that's more pro-life than just saying, you know, abortion's a sin, you can't do it, I can't believe it, the karma's bad.
	The pro-life movement has been so focused on fighting against abortion that they didn't fight for childhood or for parenting or show that message to people.
	Because I remember when you have kids, you realize it's not with these
	I don't know.
	Is to focus on the other thing, right?
	So instead of just saying don't drink alcohol bad, that doesn't work.
	Didn't work when you was a kid.
	Dare.
	None of that worked for him.
	Don't ever drink.
	Oh yeah, that's going to work well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What you tell people is, I don't know, why don't you get a mountain bike and go ride your bike?
	Why don't you get up early and push your kids in a stroller?
	And if you're doing that, you know, get your cardio and push your kids around.
	If you're doing that, then you think, I'm a little more tired from that drinking last night.
	Maybe I don't want to drink every night.
	Maybe it'll be a once a week thing or maybe once a month thing or maybe a special occasion thing because if you're persuading people you can't just say don't do that.
	You can't just say don't get an abortion.
	Yeah.
	Well, you can, but you lose, but... Yeah, clearly not winning, just sort of being restrictive in this.
	But I mean, maybe you actually have a new film on its way called Meaning, and it's about the meaning of life.
	So this is not exactly a small undertaking, but, you know, maybe, I mean, is that part of it?
	Is that part of the meaning of life, Mike?
	What should people expect from this movie?
	Is it about changing sort of that mindset and opening up yourself to more to create that meaning that seems to honestly have been
	You know, hit pretty hard over the last few years.
	Yeah, we're focusing on the disconnect that everyone sort of feels from the way you're living and the way that you think you should be.
	The way you think you should feel.
	You mean Instagram versus reality?
	Yeah or or even more there's a meme with a it's like it's kind of a cheesy meme but it shows a guy with a puzzle and there's a missing piece of the puzzle and they put the puzzle in and everything makes sense and I think most of us are walking around with a piece of the puzzle missing
	We can feel that it's missing, and what we do is we distract ourselves, we go for the marijuana, we go for the 777 slot machine, and these small towns that are maybe, don't have a lot of hope, have a lot of despair.
	Because every time I drive through the Midwest, man, it's a bummer, dude.
	It's a bummer.
	Everywhere you go is those slot machines.
	They got legalized gambling.
	Everybody said it was a good idea.
	I think people are really going to regret that.
	Just like legalized marijuana, people are really going to regret that, especially in five or ten years when we have more data available.
	So what we're trying to focus on with the film is following people and traditions that have found some sort of meaningful way to live and some meaningful connection with yourself.
	And then present different points of views, different religious points of views, and leave it to the viewer to decide.
	Yeah, I mean, it's something I've talked about quite a bit.
	There seems to be that struggle for so many Americans just finding meaning, finding a purpose.
	I said really during, really that the COVID lockdowns contributed so much to that, right?
	People sat on their couches, they weren't able to go out.
	I mean, they shut down gyms.
	It was sort of insane, you know, but like Starbucks, that was very necessary.
	That was a critical business, it must stay open.
	It's, you know, who paid their lobbyists the most?
	But a lot of that was,
	Really about reducing work and life to sitting in bed and doing an email job.
	You know, how do you see that?
	How do you see that progressing?
	Because it doesn't seem like that's going away anytime soon.
	No, and that's honestly, that's a great point.
	I hadn't thought about it in those terms.
	Where people are more and more, there's a reductionism happening to people where you're, you know, I use the term goober, muppet, where they're just sitting around and they have all this angst.
	So clearly that isn't it.
	Because if you try to ask someone, oh, what's the meaning of life?
	There's that sci-fi film and you get a number at the end.
	It's a very impossible question to answer with words that are going to make sense to everybody.
	But you can tell everybody, hey, this ain't it, man.
	Whatever this, laying on the couch, being wound up, watching internet pornography,
	Smoking weed all day, you know, getting drunk.
	You know that ain't it?
	Because you know that you feel alienated.
	You know that you feel disconnected from ultimate reality.
	And that's why, you know, church attendance declining is a kind of a chicken and egg problem.
	Why do people quit going to church?
	Well, because churches change your message.
	But people don't go to church or they don't have spiritual traditions.
	And then that further alienates them from
	From ultimate reality.
	Fundamentally, I believe that we're alienated from God, and that's why there's this gap between where we are and where we should be.
	But I don't want to, in the movie, push a religious message on people because we have enough religious movies.
	But it's more getting people to realize that if you look at the Garden of Eden as a metaphor and not a literal story, the meaning behind that metaphor would be that all of us kind of feel that there was a time where things were the way they were supposed to be.
	And now we're just running around like animals, completely lost.
	We're completely disconnected from something.
	So what is it that we're disconnected from?
	And how are we going to get reconnected to that?
	What do you think happens sort of, you know, with the sort of the advent of AI?
	I'm not saying it's a bad thing, right?
	It seems like it's actually, it's not replacing farmers.
	It's replacing menial sort of bullshit, like desk job type jobs.
	You know, the reporters that used to, you know, oh, yeah, learn to code.
	Like, looks like they're the ones learning to code.
	Now you put in a couple of talking points and, you know, you can crank out an article in 0.2 seconds.
	But it seems like that will
	And again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing because it seems like it's getting rid of some of the mundane, the inane stuff that people do that it kept them busy.
	But what happens as it progresses and that technology is there and so much of the stuff that has kept people, you know, at least busy, even if it's just sort of tedious, busy work, and that just disappears and it's done by a computer in milliseconds.
	Every technological advancement up until now,
	Has seemed like it was going to destroy and it ended up changing society for the better.
	So, the internet has given more people opportunity to e-commerce, more people to run, especially a lot of mom, like I read a lot of the mom Instagrams and mom blogs, a lot of people who it's not a full-time career, but they have a side thing that really helps, especially when you're new family, a little thing on the side can make a big difference.
	It's a car payment, it's a real big difference.
	So, I'm of the belief that AI is probably
	After a brief period of upending things will be a net positive for people.
	It'll be like social media, give people more of a, even though social media has problems, obviously, it'll give people more of an outlet.
	It'll give people who maybe have ideas, but don't have the technical skills to do things, the ability to do that.
	And I think it'll make people, I think it'll make people more productive.
	There will be maybe a hollowing out of people with the, there was a book many years ago called Bullshit Jobs.
	Which is the corporate jobs people have, and you're shuffling papers back and forth, or like the movie Office Space, you go in, you're not sure what anybody does.
	Great movies.
	Yeah, and you've got five managers above you, and you're thinking, what is it that we do?
	We're so disconnected from our product.
	So it may eliminate some of those, but I'm more of the mind that is going to be a net good.
	So you mentioned sort of social media as a positive right there.
	Is it or, you know, does it end up being one of these things where so many people see, you know, what I call, you know, fictitious reality, right?
	It's out there.
	I'm probably guilty of it myself, but everything looks great.
	There's no issues.
	Everyone lives this perfect life, but
	People then, oh man, I don't have that.
	Maybe it's aspirational and maybe that makes it good or maybe it sort of creates a sort of keeping up with the Joneses type of thing where people are miserable because they don't have the artificial reality that they believe someone else to have.
	Even in their own peer groups.
	Right, but if you think of keeping up with the Joneses, that was something people said when we were kids, before social media, right?
	Yeah.
	There's always been this memetic desire of the neighbor got a new car, the neighbor got a new fridge, I need that.
	That's more of a meaning issue, right?
	That's more of an issue that people want to find out why they're chasing that dragon of consumer consumption.
	My view of social media is
	That has completely changed society for the better in nearly every way, despite its downsides.
	So one example is that before social media, we'll go political and then we'll take it not political, but before social media, they just lie about Trump.
	They just lie.
	And what do you do?
	Write a letter to the editor?
	Seriously.
	A newsletter?
	Send a newsletter out?
	Maybe some small magazine from Reason Magazine or something comes out a month later?
	Once you go back and you start looking at the historical account of various events, you realize, man, we were completely lied and there was no way to counter propaganda, right?
	Another thing, so that's the political component where... Although that still happens today.
	I mean, you know, I think X has certainly changed for the better, but I mean, it was one of the, you know, let's call it enablers of the propaganda and the suppressors of
	You know, truth or reality for many years, you still, all of the meta platforms are still very much that way.
	You see the censorship even on TikTok, and then you got the whole Chinese sort of, you know, propaganda component of that.
	You know, the algorithm in America, you know, encourages people to love and admire the dumbest of human beings.
	But, you know, in China, like, if you're a young kid doing, like, physics projects, you're the hero.
	And it's like, man, it's a psy-op.
	Well, but think about, even under the prior Twitter regime, there was still a lot of pushback.
	Covington, Kyle Rittenhouse would be in prison for life, for sure, if it weren't for social media.
	If you look at multiple, multiple hoaxes against Trump, those were kind of busted in real time.
	And if you think back to, say, the Iraq War debate, for example, the Iraq War debate was the regime media, CNN,
	Fox News and National Review.
	And anybody who was against the Iraq War just got kind of purged.
	That was it.
	There was even a big article in National Review called anti-war coward, something very aggressive.
	And it was an overt purge.
	Whereas today, that's why the
	The deep state people, the neocons struggle so much.
	They think it's still 2003 where you can just say, oh, we're going to put your name on the cover of a magazine and that's the end of you.
	So the political discourse is way more rich.
	There's way more opportunities to push back.
	And even under Facebook, even under the censorship is so much better than not having it.
	I mean, the Purges still exist.
	I mean, they fired Tucker Carlson, the number one host of, you know, on cable television because he questioned a lot of, you know, that same narrative.
	And that happened last year, right?
	So it's still going on, but I guess you're right.
	He has the ability and a platform now to get that same message out there, not through conventional means.
	Right.
	And even bad Twitter, old Twitter, you were still able to push back against a lot of the lies and deceit.
	So on a political level, we might be a communist country already.
	We might already be in a starvation, famine type scenario from the regime if they had been able to roll up power.
	COVID got a lot of pushback through social media.
	They banned a lot of people, but there was a lot of pushback too, man.
	There was a lot of pushback.
	I think that what
	We, who live in this world a little too much, do as we kind of take it for granted, that we were actually able to push back, whereas without it, there'd just be no pushback.
	The media would have said, millions of people are dying, it's a Spanish flu all over again, and we might still be under lockdown, right?
	So as bad as it, because
	Here's the problem, and this is why we evaluate social media from the prism of an idealized version.
	The idealized version is that we know that conservatives and right-wing wins in landslides.
	We know that if you have truth.
	We know that because every story that the media pushed ended up being a huge hoax, right?
	As the probably number two target of Russia, Russia, Russia, yes, I understand all too well.
	Right, exactly.
	So if we had real truth, those stories in the media never even happened.
	And then we got real news and real truth coming out there.
	But then Republicans would have control of the presidency, the House and Senate, we'd have super majorities, right?
	Yeah.
	So we're saying, well, that's what we should have, and we don't have it, therefore, it's bad.
	Whereas the answer is, that's what we should have.
	If we didn't have social media, it would be way worse, where the regime would completely control the narrative.
	And that's why I love social media.
	I love it as much as I complained about prior regimes, I still was on the site all the time trying to, you know, here's the line, okay, you can't say this, you can't say that, and push it.
	And then, if you look at social media not politically, like I had a funny thought the other day, I was taking my kids, my daughters to go present Jiu Jitsu,
	And I said, man, 20 years ago, nobody, you know, trained jujitsu.
	There were hardly any black belts anywhere.
	And now everybody's cousin's brother is trained or trains.
	My wife's cousin is a purple belt, right?
	That's so common if you look at it that way.
	If you go to the gym, so many people actually know what they're doing because the guys like us, we just had muscle magazines.
	We didn't have video.
	Yeah.
	And the muscle magazines promoted a certain agenda.
	So, you go in and you see a lot of people who are in their 20s and they actually know what they're doing.
	Hunting culture, gun culture, everywhere you look at it because people are able to plug into the microculture.
	So, you're always going to have people
	Who have this memetic desire, memetic envy for what other people have.
	Oh, he's got the alien gun.
	I don't have that.
	I feel like less of a person.
	There's always going to be that kind of person, but there's also going to be that person who says, oh, I saw that guy get an AR lower, and I see he's building out something.
	Actually, I could build that out.
	I could build that out if I saved up for that and get my components and set things up, right?
	So you have way more of that.
	We're homeschoolers.
	And that's all culture, social media.
	Or family, the parenting stuff's good.
	Okay, you know, I never thought about that.
	Or you see somebody with a rock climbing wall in their house.
	I never would have thought about that.
	They're not even expensive.
	That's not even keeping up with the Joneses.
	You go, oh man, that's cool.
	You can literally take a couple, you know, drill right into a stud and let a kid hang there and build up hand strength for it.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Right.
	But so, you know, as you're talking about that, people talk a lot about sort of a vibe shift going on right now.
	I think you probably put it best with, you know, a shift in the zeitgeist.
	What's your sense of where those vibes are right now?
	Where is the country?
	Yeah, I was with some people who were Republican but didn't like Trump.
	They didn't like Trump or vote Trump in 2020.
	And we were at a dinner and one of them said, man, after, I think it was right after the New York case, the Alvin Brad case.
	He said, after that, I vote for Trump.
	A couple other people at the table were like, me too.
	And these were, they weren't never Trumpers, but they just, they lost the plot and didn't vote him in 2020.
	And I've seen that way, way more often now, where people realize that the whole, because the regime went so far that the whole thing is legitimate.
	It's one thing if you're like me, or you, and you're on X, you can see things debunked in real time.
	Most people aren't getting the debunks in real time.
	It takes months to filter down to them, right?
	I mean, there's people that think that January 6th was an insurrection.
	Like, you know, it happened to be the first unarmed insurrection in the history of the world.
	They're not, you know, they're not questioning how people can be in jail, you know, three and a half years later with no due process.
	Like, it's totally lost on them.
	And they're like, and some of these people are like intelligent, like, you know,
	By whatever metric you want to measure that, whether it's the schools they attended, their SAT scores, their net worth.
	They're not dumb people, but man, they've been living in some sort of alternate universe.
	Yeah, their information flow is bad.
	And with the legal cases against Trump, everybody knew this is way too far.
	This is complete lunacy.
	So that was even with the Alvin Bragg before the other ones.
	And that was a major sentiment for Trump.
	And then what?
	This is less prevalent than that, but what's happening with people is they're realizing that, hey, New York City didn't look like this.
	This is a choice, right?
	The LA people, they're still obviously going to be 90% for Biden, but we're talking about the trickle-down effects and the overall change in sentiment, where you look at LA and you realize,
	No, that's a choice.
	It doesn't have to look like that.
	Yeah, you voted for this.
	Right?
	And because a lot of people go, oh, California is a crap hole and this and that.
	And I said, well, you're a victim of the propaganda because you think all of California is L.A.
	and San Francisco, and you don't even know it snows in California, or you don't even know where Temecula is, where they fly Trump flags everywhere, and everybody's got trucks, so you've never been to Big Bear.
	The more and more people are realizing, hey, these places are bad, maybe you can't really save them, but that's a choice, and we're not going to make that choice, and you realize you've got to vote for Trump.
	Or take Israel and Palestine.
	Whether you're Israel or Palestine on the issue, everybody knows Hamas doesn't do that October 7th thing with Trump, because they know that Trump just would have got the guys in Qatar.
	Right?
	Everybody knows because he took out Soleimani.
	Everybody knows he would have done it.
	So Hamas never would have done that.
	Same with Putin in Ukraine, by the way.
	I mean, probably a bigger issue because it's costing us $130 billion.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Anywhere you look, you realize, well, Putin didn't invade Russia, or rather, Putin didn't invade Ukraine when Trump was in office, but he took territory during Obama's reign, right?
	He took territory during Biden's reign.
	So, you now have a choice, man.
	You have a choice.
	You can be in denial and live in delusion when Trump is in office because you didn't really have anything to compare it to, but now you have a choice.
	You look, and you see, and you have to decide
	If you're going to allow, I don't, I don't even know.
	It's just like by now, anybody who claims to be a Republican or a conservative and won't vote for Trump, it's some psychological complex they have with their own dad.
	Honestly, there's no rational.
	You have daddy issues.
	There is.
	Even in 2020, there was no rational reason to be conservative in 2020 and voting against Trump on principle or something.
	We know what Joe Biden did to Clarence Thomas during the confirmation hearings.
	Joe Biden has always been a craven man, always been a serial liar.
	He was never a decent person.
	Any problem that you have with Trump, real or fabricated, Joe Biden had it.
	Joe Biden used his kids as props when his wife died.
	Just, you name it.
	He puts Trump to shame, right?
	Trump's worst moment to shame.
	They said there was never any reason to not vote for Trump in 2020, but now, after seeing the past four years, you're a conservative Republican, don't vote for Trump, it really is some kind of psychological issue that they have with their own father, or an absentee father, and they need to go to therapy for sure.
	I mean, with the Middle East blowing up, you know, under Joe Biden, you know, just to keep on this theme, you have Ukraine, obviously.
	What is it about him or this presidency that's literally just seemingly causing war, right?
	You're talking about, you know, they're flying planes into Guyana and Venezuela, and I'm like, are we on like a three-front war?
	No one has articulated what victory looks like.
	What is it about them that's causing this?
	Is it just
	You know, I always say it's sort of the nature of predation, right?
	You see weakness and a predator strikes.
	That's what they do.
	This is a story as old as time.
	What's your take?
	Well, that's part of it.
	Another part of it is because Trump changed the way war is conducted.
	So there's a quote about war which goes something along the lines of, war is where men who don't know each other
	Kill each other on orders from men who do know each other, right?
	The generals are always safe.
	The presidents are always safe.
	Soleimani is always safe.
	Nothing happens to them.
	So, Soleimani will send out some Iranian guard to snipe at American soldiers, and American soldiers will shoot at some guy in Iran who just has to shoot at.
	That's what they're doing.
	That's the way
	That's the way war was always conducted, and that's why it's allowed to be conducted.
	And what Trump did, especially, was he did targeted hits on the decision makers.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	And so Maney was the one that everybody knows about, but there's way more.
	That was one of the first things they did to change counterterrorism during the Trump administration, was they just said, no, no, we're going to go after the shot callers now.
	And when you go after the shot callers, they start to think, I don't know, maybe it's not such a good idea.
	Yeah, I read some stat over the weekend.
	It was something like, you know, grossly disproportional death rate for leaders.
	So, you know, generals and, you know, from like the Revolutionary War, the Civil War and all these things, because those guys were guys leading the charge.
	Today, they're not.
	It's the opposite.
	There's almost no death toll, you know, amongst the high-ranking leaders because they're all behind the scenes.
	So it's much easier to send someone else to their death when you're not, you know, right there alongside them.
	And that seems to be prevalent, you know, in all of this sort of, you know, what I call, you know, bureaucratic military brass that doesn't seem like they have any interest in actually, you know, being part of these wars anymore or certainly not winning them because, you know, the board seat at Raytheon is contingent on selling more missiles, not necessarily winning.
	Right, and if you're the leadership of Hamas in the palace, you're fine to organize some attack against kibbutz by random people in Gaza and Hamas people, because you're not going to feel any of that.
	There's no consequence.
	So you send people who don't know each other to fight and kill each other, while you and Netanyahu and everybody are playing the chessboard, right?
	So with Trump,
	Again, this is one of the most underreported aspects of his administration, was that they changed counterterrorism for the better.
	They also gave a lot more discretion to CAG and these other guys on the ground to make their own decisions.
	And you knew that you couldn't get away with this kind of stuff.
	And under Biden, who knows who's calling the shots?
	Who knows who's in charge?
	And everybody knows that they can order attacks and there won't be any repercussions to them.
	Because
	That, you know, we can look at what Israel is doing and people argue about that, which, you know, we're not here to do today.
	But you can look at that and do you think the leadership of Hamas cares that that's happening?
	No, that's good for them.
	No, it's the greatest fundraiser in the history of the world for them.
	And yeah, there's no real cost.
	If they cared about human life, if they cared about the lives of their others, they wouldn't hide behind their school children or in hospitals, right?
	I mean, it seems pretty clear.
	I guess the corollary to that is though, you know, we don't need to talk about the issue of what's going on now.
	I think, you know, you know, that's obviously a mess, but
	October 7th.
	How did this happen in Israel?
	Like, do you believe that this is some organic attack that no one knew about, that no one could question?
	I mean, you know, what are your thoughts on the origins of this?
	Because, you know, just understanding how the IDF works, understanding their intelligence, you know, Mossad, like, could this actually happen and no one had a hint of, you know, knowledge?
	They flew hang gliders into... The whole thing seems off.
	It's a very tracked nation.
	The area of Gaza is very monitored.
	They know where everyone lives.
	They know where all the cell phone reception is.
	They have all the cell phones intercepted.
	They have stingers set up.
	They're doing all the intel.
	So, on the one hand, it is odd and unusual that such a small country, which is a point that a lot of people don't realize, is how small the country really is.
	People think, oh, Israel country, it must be the size of America.
	No, it's maybe the size of Delaware, in terms of Delaware's tiny.
	Most people don't even know where to find Delaware on a map.
	So, you would think, why couldn't they have helicopters there?
	Why couldn't there have been more resources?
	On the other hand, attacks do happen.
	The enemy gets a boat, right?
	One of the great
	Mistakes that we all make in business life or personal life or in politics is not understanding the enemy gets a vote.
	And if Hamas had been orchestrating and planning this for a very long time, then eventually they were going to pull something off because they were trying to do this for a while.
	So I'm not, definitely in Israel, they're calling for an investigation to answer these kinds of questions that you asked, which is funny because whenever anybody asks them, like when Charlie Kirk does,
	Americans, how dare you ask this?
	Like, wow, you should pick up some Israeli media, because they all want an explanation.
	They also wonder if it's in Netanyahu's best interest to keep the war dragging on, because if the war ends, then he's probably going to be out of office and have even maybe bigger problems.
	So there's a lot of that.
	Oh, it cuts both ways.
	I mean, you know, then you also talk about sort of the, hey, is the response
	You know, is it overkill or is it necessary?
	I mean, you know, if you don't sort of take out the leadership now, you've already kind of probably lost the PR war, but they always will, given the world in which we live.
	And I was sort of shocked, you know, at the American response.
	I graduated from Penn, one of the schools that couldn't testify that basically calling for the rape and murder of children in the streets, you know, would be a violation of their community conduct code.
	I have a feeling, you know, as a Penn frat boy, if I'd have said anything even remotely like that, I'd have been thrown out on my ass.
	But, you know, so
	What was perhaps more telling than anything was just sort of the response globally afterwards.
	So then it's like, well, if you're losing the PR war, do you just try to win the regular war so you don't have to deal with this shit every six months, year, two years, whenever it's happening?
	And, you know, I understand that too in terms of sort of the aggressive retaliation.
	It's not nice.
	It's not kind.
	It would not be something that you could say in polite society, but we don't live in polite society.
	We live in reality.
	Right.
	The Israel situation is complicated because for everything that you said and more.
	So, for example, during the October 7th attack, it wasn't just Hamas that did all this orgy of violence.
	They broke through the lines.
	They were killing people.
	And then a lot of so-called civilians came in, were stealing things off of dead bodies.
	They were joining in the killing.
	They were stabbing people.
	So, I think of it like I always try to go through life with
	A lot of seeing things from your perspective.
	The other perspective, even if I don't validate it, I think, what would it be like?
	So, you know, you imagine you're in Israel and a lot of those kibbutzes were left, they have, that's the thing Americans don't know because in a way that the conversation about Israel and America harms Israel, because if you plug in American media, it's, you think Israel is some right wing, far right wing country, which I wish it were.
	Yeah.
	But they have left-wing movement, too, and they had a lot of left-wing Israelis who wanted a two-state solution.
	Earnestly, we're seeking that.
	The kibbutz is a collectivism that's almost a form of communism.
	People at music festivals, for the most part, they're not voting right-wing, right?
	So, if you're them, and you see, okay, so Hamas breaks through, and now all these regular Gazan citizens come and loot, kill, join in on the violence,
	You're thinking, okay, this is awful.
	What a tragedy.
	You're expecting everyone to say, hey, this is bad.
	I can't believe this happened.
	And then maybe your war posture is going to be different.
	You think, okay, we're dealing with people that we can reason with.
	And instead people are going, well, I don't know if we can believe this even happens.
	Like, come on, dude.
	We all saw that girl in the truck.
	Get out.
	I remember having this conversation with people where I go, I didn't know that if it was 1400 people, numbers, you can always dispute.
	We all saw what we saw, man.
	And
	So if you're an Israeli and you see Hamas breaks in, Gazans coming behind them, joining on the violence, everybody pretends like it doesn't happen, and then when they can't deny that it happened, they downplay it or they rationalize it.
	Then you are going to say what you just said.
	Well, we might as well just go to town, because we're not dealing with sane, logical actors, and we're going to solve this problem with as much force as we want to use.
	But then the problem in American media, they always go, how dare you, Cernovich, claiming that Israel's not the most just army?
	It's like more just than American army, right?
	Now, that's again where
	That's where the American pro-Israel movement harms Israel, because then it makes it so that people don't even want to talk about it, like we are, in a reasonable way.
	And then what happens?
	Well, then you have the real nutjobbers, or the October 7th deniers, kind of leading the discussion.
	It becomes a narrative, which becomes inherently anti-Israel.
	But yeah, if I'm an Israeli, I don't know that I do much differently than they've done.
	It's easy for me to, oh, I'm judging.
	I'll be a moral judge because I have some great God insight into how they're doing things.
	But all things considered, if I'm them, I don't know that I do much different.
	Well, so you're talking about this as sort of, you know, at least somewhat, I don't want to say a fabrication of the media, but certainly, you know, the driving of a narrative within the media.
	You put together a great documentary, and I guess it was 2018, called Hoaxed, and it was on the fake news media.
	How much worse has the fake news gotten since 2018?
	Have they learned anything, or are they just doubling down because they see this sort of, the threat to their hegemony?
	Yeah, their ethics have gotten worse, but there are fewer hoaxes because Trump's not in the White House, so they can't manufacture stuff against him every day, right?
	Because I'm sure you remember during the Trump years, you would read something and you would know who leaked it.
	And you're like, this is so fake.
	And I know that this person shopped it around to five other people, and nobody would take it.
	I was in the room for like a lot of it.
	I'm like, this is just not, and it's, you know, but it was the gospel.
	According to the media, it was the gospel.
	Just like, you know, of course Trump colluded with Russia because obviously he needed the money or something.
	I don't know.
	Right, so now the media ratings are so down and starving because we've never had more real news happening with Biden.
	But they don't want to report that, they don't want to cover that, let alone all of the thinly sourced two intelligence officials speaking on condition of anonymity have said X, Y, and Z about the orange man, right?
	So they could be, we should be in a news renaissance.
	Of how bad the Biden administration is and how corrupt it is and how terrible it is.
	So we're not getting much news.
	So now they have to really reach for things.
	Oh, someone on Twitter said this.
	OK, well, this person was in a picture with Trump Jr.
	I don't think so.
	If there's all these media layoffs, if and he should win in November, he's going to save the media because they'll be right.
	They're going to have a great resurgence by those shares.
	So talk about that a little bit because you talk a lot about sort of so-called the reply guys, right?
	So what drives
	We're good to go.
	Not a lot of people offering all that much there because the first 30 responses are those guys that are literally feel like they're refreshing their feed to see when you tweet next because they definitely have something not all that intelligent and not all that witty to say every fucking time.
	You know, for the past four months, I've limited replies to verified followers, verified followers of people who subscribe to xPremium.
	So they at least have to pay Elon's company money to reply to me now, because the mindset of the reply guy, other than the real bad faith actors that you deal with at scale, is that they want to catch you slipping.
	Right?
	They don't want to read what you have to say.
	They don't want to read the vibe.
	They don't want to think what the sentiment is.
	They want to think, oh, you just said that you had meat today, but last week you said you gave up meat.
	And then if you go back and read what you said last week, it would say, I gave up meat on Mondays.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	But then they're like, I caught you, you hypocrite.
	I got, you know, I got you.
	And that, so there's, so there's very much, um, there's very much like that whole, like catchy slip in.
	My you know mindset going on with it and then with you you have used to all the loons who are politically
	Deformed people in your replies.
	Your reply is awful.
	It's actually sometimes amusing when I do take the time.
	It's like, wow, like there is, you know, how they get from like this to that is truly special.
	I mean, it's somewhere between retarded and genius because I can't tell which one it is because like, I don't even know how they do it.
	It's impressive, but man, there's a lot of them.
	Yeah, your replies are pretty bad, man.
	Mine were, but it was more of annoying reply guys, which I guess in some sense are kind of harmless.
	Whereas I click on yours and it's prison, Putin, it's real.
	It's like verified accounts that work at mainstream media publications.
	It's pretty, it's special.
	Yeah, I think there's a lot of mentally ill people in left-wing politics, and that's what you're dealing with, which I wouldn't even consider that a reply guy.
	That's more of a mental health issue.
	Reply guys are annoying and have their foibles, but the mental illness crisis happening, probably from maybe psychosis induced by high-dose THC, is a real problem.
	So, speaking of some of the mental illness, right?
	You're a lawyer.
	I'm curious to hear your thoughts on a lot of the lawfare that's going on, you know, around right now.
	Whether it's, you know, whether it's against Trump, whether it's against, you know, you know, someone who's clearly, you know, taking a selfie inside the velvet ropes on January 6th, who still happens to be in prison, you know.
	What was Mike Cernovich, the law student, like?
	Has doing that and being in California changed or shaped your worldview anyway?
	Well, law has always been a left-wing profession and left-wing dominant, but what used to be a countervailing force against that is it was very civil libertarian, right?
	It used to be a point of pride or a point of honor to represent the people who deserve no representation, to be the devil's advocate.
	Eric Holder, for example, provided pro bono legal representation to the 9-11 hijackers.
	So post 9-11, every big law firm in the world rushed to represent these people for free because the culture was that everybody deserves a lawyer.
	These guys aren't going to be able to get lawyers.
	So everybody lined up to do it.
	And then in the case of January 6, it's really the opposite.
	Or in the case of in 2020, with some of the more viable litigation that could have happened,
	We're good to go.
	We're good.
	Right, so you're looking at John Eastman getting disbarred, Jeffrey Clarkton trying to disbar him.
	There's litigation happening at every level against everyone from J6ers to lawyers who represented Trump to send a message.
	Because if you look at what John Eastman did or what Jeffrey Clarkton did, they wrote a memo.
	Right?
	They wrote memos.
	It's literally legal opinion.
	Yeah, they didn't go to court and sign documents or sign things that ended up not being true because that could get you into trouble.
	They didn't do anything like that.
	They said, no, here's actually the constitutional law on it.
	There's a little quirk.
	Might work, it might not.
	I think in Eastman's case, he even said, I don't think it's a good idea
	Yeah, Pence not.
	I think he even said, I don't think it's a good idea for Pence to send it back to the states.
	But there is this quirk of law.
	And we know as a matter of fact, that the quirk of law was real because the loophole was closed after January 6.
	So they say, oh, this was without legal basis.
	Well, then why was why was the loophole?
	Why was it closed?
	And you can even there is even a Van Jones segment.
	On that very issue, before any of this happens, saying, oh, this could happen.
	This is a possibility, right?
	So if you're getting inspired for that, the message is really that Trump is untouchable.
	You can't represent him.
	He can't have good lawyers.
	Everybody stay away from Trump.
	And that was happening, of course, when the media would leak and attack people.
	So we're in a dangerous place in the country, more so than almost any other issue, because in America,
	People cooperate with legal processes because they know that they're going to have legal processes, right?
	You know that if they say something, even if it's a lie, you know that you can hire a lawyer.
	The judge is going to kind of call a fair game, maybe put his thumb on the scale, but you know that you have a process, right?
	And the message being communicated to people is that you're not going to get any kind of legal process at all.
	Yeah, well, and you saw that, you know, and again, I was actually quiet on a lot of these things at the time because, like, you know, I was, you know, not a believer that the ghost of Hugo Chavez came back to manipulate the Dominion machines.
	I'm not saying they couldn't be manipulated or other, but, like, I sort of feel like the other side also did a great job sort of
	Grouping some of the things that were, let's call it, not exactly plausible with things that were, like, statistically obvious.
	Like, you know, just, like, mathematically irrefutable.
	And once you group them all together, you discredit one, and therefore everything else went by the wayside.
	You know, they did that very well.
	They did that with, you know, a lot of, you know, very intelligent lawyers who were willing to and had no consequence for taking the most radical
	Uh, leftist position on those things, whereas if you even chose to represent someone on the right, so, you know, that disbalance also creates a problem, right?
	Because the finest lawyers in the world can do this, and you may be left with someone who's a total lunatic because he's the only guy with a legal license actually, uh, saying, okay, I'll take the risk, I'll take the chance, knowing what's coming down the pipeline.
	Right, keeping Trump off the ballot was reverse 9-0.
	Does anybody think the state bar is going to go after the lawyers who filed those cases, right?
	What a laugh, right?
	What a laugh.
	Well, why wouldn't you say that was an illegitimate threat of democracy because you're trying to keep voters from having their preferred choice on the ballot and the Supreme Court said it was 9-0?
	So clearly it was without any basis.
	You lost Kagan.
	You lost everybody.
	Clearly there's no legal basis for it.
	Therefore, you have to go to the state.
	We know that's not going to happen, right?
	We know that's not going to happen.
	So what basis is there to say that John Eastman then violated some state bar rule when he had a legal theory that probably would have lost 9-0?
	Maybe, maybe not, but same thing.
	That's what lawyers do is they push edge cases.
	So I often ask about sort of political predictions on the show, but perhaps I'll give you a sort of a bigger picture question.
	What will be the biggest difference in American life five years from now?
	Well, if Trump wins, they're creating a lot of messes for him to clean up, and it'll be a replay, I think, in 2017 to 2021, which is way better than the alternative, obviously.
	Not for me!
	Another 50 hours of congressional testimony will not be awesome, but you know, I'm a treasonous kind of guy, so I guess I gotta fight.
	Yeah, it'll be messy.
	But should Biden find a way, because as of now, unless Democrats really come up with something, power outages on Election Day, I would tell people to pay attention to the solar flare narrative and ask why it's being pushed, power outages are being pushed, maybe ask about that.
	There's no way Biden wins in 2024.
	And that's not a partisan point, because I told everybody
	In 2020, it was too close to call.
	Really, the whole time, I think Trump has it.
	I don't know.
	Not really.
	You know, on the ground, the enthusiasm was greater in 2020 than 2016, but you didn't have sort of the magic of mail-in balloting and, you know, all of these things.
	So, you know, that was different.
	Yeah, yeah, because without mail-in balloting, Trump wins the landslide 2020.
	So in 2024, most of these issues have been kind of figured out, and they don't have any new trick necessarily.
	What about World War III?
	I mean, when you talk about that, like, I agree with you.
	It's like, you don't have COVID, how much can they create in seven months?
	And the answer is a lot when you're dealing with, you know, Russia and 6,486, what is it?
	You know, nuclear weapons, you know, nuclear in missiles.
	You see, you know, Blinken's calling for bringing Ukraine into NATO now, you know, and so all of a sudden that happens and unilaterally every Eastern European, Western European country has to start be at war with Russia.
	I don't think these are serious people, but I think they're willing to risk nuclear war to get their way because I don't think they care about much.
	What about that?
	Because I feel like that's their last hope, unless they can do something to Joe Biden and replace him with someone who's not Kamala Harris.
	Well, I don't think they can do that before the election because that'll get blamed on Biden.
	Usually war is good for the incumbent, and usually you're a wartime president, everybody unites, everybody rallies around you.
	That wouldn't happen.
	It would be seen as incompetence to blunder the U.S.
	into a war if Biden did that.
	So I don't think that happens.
	They can't do the race riots now because Hamas will be right there with Black Lives Matter.
	So those are done.
	I think that there's a lot of gangs that were brought in from Venezuela, especially.
	So I think gangs will be unleashed on people in a targeted way, especially in a way to suppress voting.
	So I expect a lot of agitation and activation of the criminal gangs that the Biden administration brought in.
	Speaking of which,
	The Republicans have an impeachment sent to the Senate, and the Senate's not doing anything about it.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Of course they're not, yeah.
	I thought about that the other day.
	I go, wait a minute, wasn't there an impeachment or maybe that didn't happen?
	Let me check my notes here.
	And you think about when Trump got impeached, Republicans, they'll carry that right over.
	Right, which is another trend that I don't see improving unless there's better leadership with McConnell being gone.
	Are they who are they really going to put corn in it?
	What are we going to?
	I think I think it could be worse.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, what really that's people need to be start thinking about that, too, in terms of the five year plan, what things are going to look like is why is Menendez still in the Senate?
	Well, because the Democrats aren't going to expel him.
	Yeah.
	That vote matters, and they know how to play that game, whereas we'll throw, you know, what's-his-face-out-of-New-York-for-Congress-before-they-even-have-a-trial-before-he's-found-guilty.
	I'm not saying he's innocent.
	I'm just saying we don't know that he was guilty.
	He wasn't convicted of anything.
	That doesn't seem to matter because we're playing two very different games versus the left.
	You know, we're playing t-ball, they're playing hardball, and it's an ugly outcome.
	Right, so you have to...
	You have to think about what's the leadership fight, you have to think about all the, you have to think about all those pieces, because if the Democrats aren't going to take, aren't doing anything on the impeachment, and the Republicans aren't pushing them, because it's not, what can JD Vance, I mean, there's only, what can you do really?
	Yeah, we only have one JD Vance, unfortunately.
	Yeah, so what are we going to do?
	Well, if we have somebody like Phil, or Cornyn, or these guys, or Lankford, or somebody, and leadership, say somehow, you know, because I don't know, I don't know that the GOP is going to take the Senate back.
	There's some seats set.
	I know you're working on one in Montana, that maybe it can happen.
	I know that you're working, there's Ohio possibly, maybe one, right, with Bernie.
	So, Moreno, so
	You know, maybe we can flip it, but if we flip it and then we have Cornyn in there, what have we really accomplished, right?
	What have we accomplished?
	Well, yeah, it's daunting.
	And then you look at the Senate map for the next decade and you're like, this is basically our last chance to get even a basic hold.
	And if we have a hold with weak leadership, what does it actually mean?
	But, you know, that said, like social media, we may not have an advantage there, but we also can't cede
	Uh, the battlefield.
	We got, we got to be out there fighting across the board.
	So, you know, we'll continue to do that.
	But Mike, I just wanted to thank you for being on here today.
	Uh, have to have you back on some of these things, you know, let me know once the documentary and stuff, you know, fully comes out because I think it'll be an important for people to, to understand.
	And I do think we are at a place in our country right now where, where people do realize they've been lied to a lot.
	They, the pendulum has swung so far the other direction that, you know,
	You're not going to believe your lying eyes, right?
	You understand what's happening, and there's no amount of lying or manipulation.
	It may sway basis points, but it's not moving things points anymore, and I think that's a solid window for us to go after and make some gains.
	Thanks to my kids just woke up, so perfect timing.
	Perfect timing, man.
	You have a good one.
	I'll talk to you soon.
	Yeah, bye-bye.
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