We Live In A Simulation Created By A Non-Human Force - David Icke
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Welcome back to Universal Grace.
I am your host, Nadine Grace.
We have a very special guest in today.
His name is David Icke.
He's an English writer and public speaker known since the 1990s as a professional conspiracy researcher, calling himself a full-time investigator into who and what is really controlling the world.
David is the author of over 21 books We're good to go.
Today, his books are read all over the world, and his speaking events are watched by thousands on every continent.
Why? Because what he has been so derided for saying is now happening in world events and even mainstream media.
Scientists are concluding that reality is indeed a simulation.
And almost every day, something that David Icke said long ago is supported by happiness and evidence.
As Mahatma Gandhi said, first, they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win.
David Icke's time has come.
Welcome, David. Thank you so much for being here.
Thank you. It's a pleasure.
It is an honor to have you, David.
It is really, really, really an honor to have you.
It's like I said before we got on, we started recording that it's hard for me to think of a person that I respect more than you.
For the past 30 years, everything that you have predicted is now happening in current events.
Excuse me. You're one of the most bravest and most courageous person that I've ever met.
And like I said, it is an honor.
I'm going to start with your book.
Your book is called The Perceptions of a Renegade Mind.
I've read it once on my Kindle, and I'm reading it again in the physical hard copy form.
And you've put immense wisdom and research into your book, into all of your books.
And what I gather from this book is this book is an invitation for all of us to change our perception And, you know, so that we can change our lives because our perception of how we're perceiving the world is what's running our lives right now.
And you also went into great analytical depth of the New World Order cult and how everything is interlinked and connected.
So we're going to start off with COVID-19.
In Chapter 4 of your book, The Calculated Catastrophe of COVID, you spoke about fraudulent testing and detailing how the inventor of the PCR test, the biochemist Kerry Mullis, in the 1990s, he publicly stated that his PCR test cannot detect infectious disease.
But yet they're using an intestine.
And also in chapter five, you said that there is no virus.
Can you please elaborate on that?
Is there a virus? Well, that is an astonishing thing to say after the last two years.
And people have not been paying attention outside the mainstream media.
Including, you know, there's a number in the maternity media, will think that there is no virus.
That's just crazy.
But my interest in the last 32 years has been what the truth is rather than what I'm told it is.
And my experience in the great spectrum of subjects is that if you go into them with an open mind, Without a preconceived idea.
And you ask simple questions.
Like, yeah, what is a virus?
Okay, where's the evidence?
Where's the evidence?
Show us the natural virus in a natural state.
No, not a computer program which you've put together from a gene bank and told us it's a virus.
Show us the natural virus.
And This SARS-CoV-2 has never been isolated from other genetic material and purified and shown to exist in and of itself.
And it has never in that natural state been introduced to a living host and caused what it's claimed to cause.
That is true, by the way, of every alleged virus around.
And from the start, you had the chief epidemiologist of the Chinese CDC asked on American television why they hadn't shared the virus data with the rest of the world at that time.
And he said, the issue is the virus has not been isolated.
And so then you go to a guy in Germany called Christian Drosten, a so-called virologist, and right on cue in January of 2020, just as this thing, this hoax, was being played, he came out with a protocol to use the Kerry Mullis PCR test to test for the so-called COVID virus.
He did not have his protocol peer-reviewed by other scientists, and yet immediately the World Health Organization, which is owned by this cult that I expose, recommended the Drosten protocol using the PCR test to all its member states, which pretty much the whole world.
And later, it turns out that Drosten had to admit that when he produced that protocol, he never had a natural virus.
He had a computer mock-up of it.
And wherever you look for an isolated, quote, natural virus, you find computer programs that are not natural at all.
The FDA in America, the Food and Drug Administration, has indicated too that its protocols for the PCR test were based on a computer version of the virus.
Then you've had Freedom of Information Act requests going out all over the world.
To medical authorities and governments asking for any scientific paper that shows that SARS-CoV-2 has been purified, isolated, shown to exist and to cause what they claim is COVID-19.
Not one single reply has come back with that information, only that they do not have it.
If you put out a pathogen, you lose control of it immediately.
And I can tell you that the mentality of this cult is that it is absolutely terrified of states of flux.
This is why it wants to control everything.
You show me a control freak, and I'll show you someone who's deeply insecure, which is why they want to control everything.
And this cult wants to control everything.
Why? Because it's deeply insecure.
And it's very ill at ease with states of flux where it can't call the outcome.
This is why everywhere you look, it's trying to control both sides in a situation so it can dictate the outcome.
Both sides in a football match plus the referee so it knows the score before the ball is kicked off.
And so the idea that it would put out a...
Global pathogen that it would then lose complete control of is ridiculous.
But from that mentality they have, and I've studied them over 32 years, now, if you are a control freak, then not having a virus means that you don't lose control of it.
In fact, you have absolute control of it because you have control of the public perception of it.
And then, once you've conned people into believing there's a deadly virus, then you can have your controlled bioweapon, which is in a vial, which you can then inject into who you choose and choose not to have it.
So the control is always there.
So this is how the scam worked.
And it basically is the old thing of repetition, which is the greatest form of mind control ever invented, really, along with religion.
It's... It's a situation where you keep repeating the same thing so that all people are hearing.
This is where the censorship comes in.
So all people are hearing is the same thing.
And it goes from being a government statement, an official statement, to through repetition, becoming everyone knows that, mate.
So everyone knows that, mate, will say, what do you mean?
There's no virus. That's ridiculous.
Everyone knows there's a virus.
Well, excuse me, how do you know?
Tell me how you know.
Not what you've been told.
Tell me how you know.
And they don't, because there isn't one.
So this is how the scam works.
And I was sent a long email.
From a medical scientist who wrote it in America.
In March 2020, and he was explaining how this scam was going to be played, and he was spot on.
That they were going to use the PCR test, which is not testing for the virus, to get their cases.
But what they would do, and what they were doing in China, was taking the worst of the flu cases, Where people were going to die in numbers because the scale of the flu cases was severe.
And they were going to call it COVID-19.
And because they took the worst of the flu cases and not all the flu cases together, it seemed as if the death rate of COVID-19, i.e.
severe flu in this case, was way beyond COVID. Normal flu.
And so, oh my God, you will perhaps remember that we see these tiny, tiny numbers, even if you believe in the virus, of fatalities ratios from this so-called virus.
But the World Health Organization Was saying in the earliest days that it was something like 3.4% of people who got COVID-19 were going to die.
So it was all a scam.
Now, so that's where the cases came from.
And then they introduced the so-called lateral flow test, which is so useless.
If you tested positive with a lateral flow test, it had to be confirmed by a PCR test that wasn't testing for the virus.
You know, as Kerry Mullis said, it can't tell you if you're sick and it can't test for infectious disease.
But they've been using it to kid us that it's doing that to give them their cases.
So this is why there's been so many so-called asymptomatic cases.
Because there's nothing wrong with them.
What they've done is tested positive with a test not testing for the virus.
So what is the test testing for?
It's testing for genetic material.
And it has a system, the PCR test, of amplification, amplification, making more and more copies of the genetic material being tested.
And the more amplification you have, the more copies it makes, the more sensitive the test becomes to the genetic material.
It picks more of it out.
And therefore, the more you amplify the test, the more positives you're going to get, not for a virus, but for different forms of genetic material in the sample, which the test is picking up more and more the more you amplify it.
Now, even according to Fauci, he's a liar, of course, but even according to him, if you go above 30 cycles of amplification, Of the PCR test, then basically every result above that is useless.
Well, the National Health Service and most other countries around the world, the National Health Service in Britain, has been using 45 cycles of amplification.
And it will pick up...
Well, you really only have to look at what it has picked up.
It's picked up positive for a poor, poor fruit, for a glass of cola...
For a puddle? For a goat?
Because if you amplify it enough, as Kerry Mullis said, if you know how to use it, you can make it appear to do anything.
So it's perfect to scan the cases.
So all these cases, all cases are going up.
No, no, that's not cases.
That's people testing positive with a test not testing for it.
And then you'll remember, and you know, why people didn't stop it at this point, only they know.
They introduced this bizarre system whereby if you test positive with a test now testing for the virus and then die of any other cause within 28 days, COVID-19 went on your death certificate no matter what you actually died of.
So, oh, here's the case is no.
They're From a test, not testing for it.
Oh, here's the deaths. No, they are redesignation to COVID-19 of people who've died of other things.
So you ask them the question.
In those early days of 2020, before they introduced the fake vaccine and everyone of all ages started dying, Getting in health troubles and fatalities.
But before that, it was old people.
You remember? Oh, the first wave.
Always old people.
Old people are in danger.
We must get their children to wear masks and do all this to save the old people.
Well, why?
Why was it old people?
Well, because young people, by ratio, Very few of them die because they're young and they're healthy.
Old people die all the time.
And thus you have an endless potential for redesignating what they actually died of to COVID-19.
I quote a National Health Service doctor in one of my books.
Who said that from March 2020, all the other doctors, all the other doctors that he knew, were putting COVID-19 on the death certificate no matter what they died of.
So you have a coroner in America pointing out that a fifth of the COVID deaths in her county had gunshot wounds.
People falling off motorbikes, people dying of other diseases.
And you'll remember the propaganda, the furore, the fear porn that came out of Italy.
Because this was the plan.
You play the scam in China.
And what you want to do is to...
Set the response blueprint.
So what you had in China, because it's China, was draconian response lockdown.
And you'll remember that in China, we saw all those pictures of people collapsing in the street.
Where are the people collapsing in the street anywhere else since then from this alleged virus?
And so, the Director General of the World Health Organization, a guy called Ted Ross, who used to work for Gates-funded organizations.
Gates runs the WHO for the Rockefellers, who created it in 1948.
And he came out and said, China is the blueprint to respond to this disease, right?
You've still got a psychological gap to jump, because China is China, and to people in the West, China's a long way away.
And China's China, it's different, you know.
So they needed a Western example To terrify the West into compliance with the draconian Chinese lockdown system.
So they picked Italy.
And what they picked was an area of northern Italy called Lombardi, which is notorious for its air quality or lack of it, and therefore respiratory disease.
Exactly what Wuhan in China is, absolutely notorious for its atmosphere and pollution and respiratory disease and so you had that All that propaganda about the disaster going on in Italy, and because it's all psychology, all of it, people in the West were going, because they could associate with it, well, if it can happen in Italy, it can happen to us.
And then after that had been done and all the lockdowns went in, and initially people were, you know, yeah, we'll succumb to that because look what's happening in Italy, exactly.
The health authorities in Italy announced that actually only something like 12%, I say 0%, but only something like 12% of people who were said to die of COVID in that furore that we saw of panic actually died from it.
And they pointed out that 99% Of those who, quote, died from COVID in Italy, had one, two, three, four or more so-called comorbidities.
In other words, reasons to die.
Now, the CDC in America has said something similar.
So what you've had was this mass re-diagnosis.
Of people dying of pneumonia, flu, and other things to COVID-19.
And this is why flu disappeared worldwide.
I mean, worldwide, disappeared.
How can flu just demanifest in the COVID period?
Yeah, it's like, where did it go?
Yeah. Well, what did they say the symptoms of COVID were?
Flu-like symptoms. Flu-like symptoms, yes.
What's flu? Flu-like symptoms.
It was all redesignation.
And because, you know, of the propaganda, the fact that people...
Still today, the naivety of people is extraordinary.
Still looked at mainstream sources to get their information.
They were just, you know, believing the lies and not realizing that they were being absolutely conned.
And if they chose to look elsewhere, they'd have realized it.
And so you've had this con that Of the non-existent virus, which was made to seem so by a fake test and fake death certificates.
And it was to justify the real point of it all, which was to terrify people into having this fake vaccine, which is not a vaccine at all.
It's gene therapy. It's DNA manipulation.
It's genetic manipulation.
And there are Now, although they've massively tried to stop it coming out, there are Pfizer documents being released on the order of courts that are showing that they knew the consequences of this fake vaccine.
And it's mass murder.
I mean, the CEO and all these people involved in Pfizer and Moderna, they should be going to jail for the rest of their life for mass murder.
I mean, you know, have you noticed all these young, healthy sportsmen and women are just keeling over?
You know, there's a very famous cricketer called Shane Warne, a spin bowler from Australia who is...
He was a phenomenal player, one of the greats of cricket.
Well, he's just died today of a heart attack, fully jabbed at 52.
And these things are happening all the time.
Superfit footballers just drop down dead or getting myocarditis, heart inflammation, which ends their career, on levels and in numbers that's absolutely unprecedented.
All in the Fake vaccine era.
And, you know, people, you know, don't realise the numbers who have died and had their health destroyed by these fake vaccines already because they're getting their information from mainstream sources.
But, of course, with these famous sports people, you can't hide that.
You can hide why it's happening.
Yeah. Your lies, but you can't hide that it's happening.
And it's unprecedented.
And so that's basically the background to it.
But it's all been psychological.
There's been many, many different elements to it that come from it.
And one of the things is that the term misinformation Which is a cult term meaning the truth has become a justification for censoring opinions and evidence and information that doesn't support the official narrative.
So anyone involved in what they call COVID misinformation like me have been banned from the mainstream internet.
I was banned back in 2020, I think.
2020 and April 2020.
Funnily enough, the moment I was banned was after I said there is no virus.
And I also said the PCR test is not testing for the virus, which, you know, what?
But it turns out that's exactly what the situation is.
And what's happening now, of course, in recent weeks, is more and more of the things that we were saying in the spring of 2020, which we were banned for under the heading of misinformation of turning out to be true, even by the admission of the authorities.
And so it was also about setting that precedent, because if you want to control the perceptions of the population, to control them, so through their perception they'll behave the way you want, then you've got to control the information they receive through which they form their perception.
This is what censorship's all about.
And so that Is absolutely vital to what's going on ongoing is to control the information and thus control the perception.
So what you had that precedent set With COVID, anyone that challenges the official story, even though the official story is a lie, is censored.
Well, that's now moved on to where we are now.
Now, if you challenge the official story of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, then you're censored.
Because it's misinformation.
No, it's not. It's another opinion.
And so the normalization of censorship that questions the official story has all been part of this psychological operation which come through COVID and now into this and is designed to go on and be the norm, the blueprint for any subject at all.
When you think about it and you think about the world that we're living in, and like you said in your book, we have the majority of people, the majority of the humanity, we have the power.
The people running the show is just a small percentage.
However, if we're not realizing that our perception is being skewed, and we're not realizing that the information that we're taking into our consciousness is It's creating our behaviors, creating our lives, and this will continue to happen.
And, you know, like the censorship, as George Orwell wrote in his 1984 novel, it's in a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
But yet they're taking away that freedom from us to speak our version of the truth of what we believe.
To be the truth, of what we know to be the truth.
How do we walk into our sovereignty and really get ourselves back?
Because now they've created the metaverse, which I'm going to let you speak to that, because the metaverse somehow ties into where they're trying to take humanity right now with the vaccines and And the COVID and everything ties into creating that synthetic world that they're planning on taking humanity.
Yeah, but just on another point there that you made, has Putin invaded Ukraine?
No. Is Biden going to step forward and stop him?
No. Are European leaders?
No. Who's invaded Ukraine?
Russian soldiers.
Rank-and-file members of the Russian population.
Why? Because Putin told them to.
Putin's not invaded Ukraine.
He's in the Kremlin, sipping coffee.
Biden's not going to stop him.
He's in the White House sipping tea.
It's, you know, we had this phrase going around in the 1960s when I was growing up.
What if there was a war and nobody came?
You know, These people only have power when we acquiesce to what they tell us to do.
So Putin says, invade Ukraine.
The soldiers say, no, we're not doing it.
So there is no invasion.
And the other thing is that it's very important That people don't take sides.
Because if they take sides, they've lost the plot.
Because actually there are no sides.
There's one side, the global cult, operating through multiple different vehicles.
So you've got the cult driving the Russian invasion of Ukraine because of a much bigger agenda that I've talked about before.
But you've also got a deeply corrupt Ukrainian government And a deeply corrupt Ukrainian president, Zelensky, and a country that's run by oligarchs and as a court system so corrupt it's almost not worth having.
And then you go to Washington and you've got cult-owned Biden.
And the cult-owned regime there.
You've got cult-owned Trudeau, cult-owned Johnson in Britain, and cult-owned Macron in France.
So the people that are condemning Putin are...
Are assets of the same cult that's controlling Putin.
It's all theatre. It's all a game to them.
And it's about constantly keeping The population in fear, you would move seamlessly from...
Notice, you had all the COVID stuff going and going and going.
Then, in an obviously coordinated way, they've rolled that back immediately, you have a war.
So you can't see COVID in and of itself and this invasion in and of itself.
They are a seamless flow of the same agenda.
And so if you take sides, you've lost the plot because there are no sides.
Zelensky is controlled by the cult.
Biden is controlled by the cult.
And China and Putin are controlled by the cult.
This is how it works. But they've got to divide and rule us.
They've got to set us at war with each other.
So we are so busy fighting with each other that we don't see that the same hands are holding the strings attached to both of us and all sides.
So when you take a deep breath and you go to that level, Where the cult is orchestrating this from.
And you see your Putins and your Bidens and such like.
They're just pawns in a game.
This is where it's coming from.
And here there are no sides.
There's only the illusion of sides.
That's why I call it a stage show or a theater.
I think it's very appropriate.
They talk about theaters of war.
And so we now have The people in America and in Britain that orchestrated, through the networks I'm talking about, the invasion of Iraq on a lie, the devastation of Libya on a lie, and the devastation of Syria, who are condemning Putin for what's happening in Ukraine, when actually they're all the same expression of evil and answering to the same masters.
And it's so important that people don't get pulled in, because if they do, well, I mean, what we're seeing now, aren't we?
You know, a situation where we've gone from vax-anti-vax to anti-Russian, pro-Russian.
It's the same mentality.
It's just taken a different form.
And, you know, just as anyone that refused to have the fake vaccine nightmare potion was targeted, now we're having Russians targeted.
Innocent Russians have had nothing to do with the invasion of Ukraine.
They're losing their jobs.
They're being banned. This idiot Swalwell in America wants all Russian students ejected from university.
But where have we just come from?
Anyone that won't have the vax, anyone that won't wear a mask has to be ejected from the university.
You see how it's the same mind pattern, the same psychology, they've just moved it to a different subject heading.
And this is very important in very large numbers of people.
This COVID period Has rewritten their psychology.
People that disagree with them in a certain way.
So it was ingrained by anyone that doesn't believe the official narrative of COVID is evil and selfish and all that stuff.
But that mental response, that psychological response, has simply moved seamlessly to anyone who has in any way a different opinion about What's happening in Ukraine.
They get the same treatment, but it's the same psychology.
And you'll see this now among these people that have fallen for it.
You'll see this ongoing in relation to subject after subject from here on, where anyone that has a different view to them We'll get the same treatment the COVID people did and anyone with another view of the Russian invasion did.
And so there's been a psychological rewiring of the psyche of enormous numbers of people.
And part of that rewiring is the acceptance that anyone that doesn't agree with them on any of these subjects must be silenced.
Not debated. Must be silenced.
Because this is how it works.
This is how the psychology works.
I am right.
And because I am right anyone that disagrees with me must be wrong.
And if they're wrong what's the point of them having freedom of speech?
That's the sequence of What passes for thought is actually playing out now on the Russian situation as it did on the COVID situation.
So it's all psychology.
And if we're going to get out of this, we have to take control of our minds back.
And what's encouraging...
Is the number of people...
I can see this. I've been doing this for a long time.
I saw what it was like in the early 1990s.
You know, you try to get anyone interested in this subject, forget it.
But these years of COVID, as the lies have more and more come to the fore, have woken a lot of people up to things they would have dismissed before.
You can see this parting of the ways between two states of consciousness.
Those that are awakening to a greater view of the world and themselves and those who are going deeper into the program.
It may not work out like this 100%, but you'll be pretty close.
Those that bought the COVID story are buying the Russian story without any mitigation, or not mitigation, but any balance, i.e.
the Ukraine government is not about freedom of democracy, it's a corrupt oligarch.
And those same people that condemn the anti-vaxxers They will be condemning Russians just because they're Russian.
Not because they've done anything or had anything to do with the invasion, but because they're Russian.
And those that refuse the vaccination and have seen through this COVID hoax, overwhelmingly, they'll be the people saying, why are you condemning them just because they're Russian?
You can't do that. It's about what they do, not about what their body is or where they come from.
So you can see and you will see these two states of awareness will move forward and they will constantly respond to different situations that happen in the world.
In very different ways, because they're literally different states of consciousness.
Yes, yes, all that information that, you know, we've been allowing into our consciousness is determining, you know, how expansive or restricted our consciousness is and where we're heading.
So why is it, why the urgency and the need of Since the beginning of time to dumb down humanity and keep us so suppressed, what is it that they don't want us to know about ourselves?
Why are they so afraid of you to come on and really share your truth and your finding and your research with the world to wake us up?
What is it that they're so afraid of and why don't they want us to know who we are?
Well, yeah, I mean, God, I could talk for hours on this.
It's a massive subject.
But if you take people like me from a personal point of view, if you want to control perception because perception controls behavior, we behave as we do because we perceive as we do.
And the collective nature of human behavior is what we call human society.
Human society is the sum total of human perception made manifest.
So how do you control perception?
You control the information that people form their perceptions from.
So there's the sequence.
So I said...
A long, long time ago, decades ago, that the plan was to eventually have no one see or hear anything that hadn't been sanctioned by the authorities.
And that means that although the censorship has reached a hysterical level already, it's nowhere near where it's going.
Where it's going is the complete suppression of any other opinion that there's different to authority.
And you're seeing the psychological, I've just been talking about it, the psychological manipulation to get people to accept that.
And to demonize and attack and abuse anyone that doesn't agree with that.
And So if you are someone like me who's putting out information that's challenging every kind of level, absolutely in every subject area, what the official version of everything is, then you're a problem because you are potentially giving people Another way of looking at the world in all its aspects that's different from the official narrative.
It's the last thing you want.
And so, you know, if you are confident of what you're saying, you're confident of what you are suggesting is the situation, then the last thing you want to do with anybody is censor them.
Because you welcome open debate because you're confident that you can stand up to debate with your arguments, with your evidence.
So you're not afraid of other people's opinion because you're confident of your own.
And so you don't want to censor anybody.
Why would you? Censorship is the destruction not only of the freedom of speech, Of those you silence, but the freedom of speech of those that support those people being silenced.
Because once you start saying that someone cannot give their opinion and their view, immediately you're giving some form of authority the power to say who can be heard and who can't.
And of course, once you stop anyone having the right to an opinion and a view, you have destroyed freedom of speech for everyone because freedom of speech is gone.
Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak.
So immediately you censor someone.
You're squeezing the...
The band within which you are allowed to have an opinion.
Now, that's not freedom of speech.
So freedom of speech goes the first time you censor anyone.
And if people are saying stupid, unsupportable things, then in our open public debate it will be shown to be so.
But they don't want that because they want to censor because they're lying to us.
That's the point. Everything they're telling us is a lie.
Right? What they told us about COVID is a lie.
What they're telling us about human-caused climate change is a lie.
What they're telling us about other events and happenings in the world is a lie.
And so a lie is easy to unravel in open public debate.
So if you can't win the debate because you're lying...
Then stop the debate. And that's what this censorship is about.
The censorship is not coming from a position of power.
It's coming from a position of weakness.
Because they know that they can't, what they're claiming can't stand up to public scrutiny.
So they stop that scrutiny.
And that's what it's really about.
But, you know, you introduce something which takes us into a much bigger picture of all this.
You know, We live in a reality, but it's actually two realities running side by side.
One is the reality of the population.
They get their information from the cult-owned education system.
You see how the teachers' unions have been absolutely co-opted all over the world to this cult agenda.
And you have your information coming from the cult-owned media, cult-owned government, cult-owned government agencies, from cult-owned Silicon Valley and their censorship.
And that's where you get your information from among the general population.
And then there's another world, the world of the cult, which is a global network of secret societies with an interlocking Mission control leadership globally.
And they get their information passed on through the upper levels, not your rank and file Bill and Joe down the Freemasons Lodge, the upper levels of this secret society cult.
They get their information passed on secretly through the generations.
And the reason they're called secret societies is to keep secrets from the population.
So you have two worlds, one of the majority of the people, and the other, the chosen few, and the difference between them is knowledge, and knowledge is power.
Knowledge is power only if you use it.
If you don't use it, knowledge is not power at all.
It's a waste of time having it, but...
Knowledge is power if you use it.
So you have two basic strands, many other things too, but two basic flows of knowledge that this cult doesn't want the people to know.
One is where the world's being taken.
It's more difficult now for them to keep that secret from anyone with a brain because You know, I said years ago, there's going to come a point where this under the radar manipulation is going to have to break the surface.
Because, you know, if you want to change human society in a certain way, There comes a point where it has to change that way.
And as it changes, it's now on public display to people.
They can see it. It's not under the radar anymore.
Just being manipulated into place, now it has to break the surface.
So it's still more difficult for them, but all the way through this period, and still today, because what they're doing now is they've gone from hiding it to sales pitching it.
And what a great idea it would be for this great reset and all this stuff.
Anyway, so you've got that That area of information of where the world's being taken.
Because to keep that from the public means that the public then see events like COVID and the invasion of Ukraine as totally separate random events.
And they see the dots, they don't see the pictures and the patterns, if you connect the dots, that it's actually all connected.
So if you can keep the public seeing events as random, they won't suss what's going on.
And that there is a force coordinating it all.
And then the other area, you know, in many ways more important, in many ways the absolute foundation of it all, Is to keep from the target population the nature of reality and the nature of the true I. What you want to do, which is why this information system of education and media and all the rest of it is focused on this, is to get people to believe that their true I Is their name,
their sex, their religion, their race, Their sexuality, their labels, the labels that we give ourselves and are given in a brief experience of our consciousness we call human.
What they don't want us to realize is actually we, the true I, is the consciousness having the experience.
They've got to get the population to self-identify the experience as the I and the only I. And so you have religion that basically sells the idea that there's a god who wants you to act like he says that you should, otherwise there's a problem.
And then you have the other side, which is basically we're just a cosmic accident.
This is the mainstream scientific view.
Again, mainstream science controlled by the cult.
That's why they They overwhelmingly don't go into these deeper areas of reality except on the fringes.
And so if you self-identify the I with the labels of a human life, what you're self-identifying with is limitation.
You're self-identifying the I only with the five senses.
And the five senses can't connect dots because that's not how they work.
I'm looking into this room now with my five senses and I can see form.
But between the form, to me, it looks like empty space.
So the five sense view of the world immediately gives you the visual impression that everything's apart from everything else.
That I'm apart from you and everyone's apart from everyone else.
There's no connections. And that, of course, makes divide and rule very, very easy because the five senses are telling you that it's all about division.
And nothing's connected.
But actually, if you could go deeper into the visual field, you'd see that actually the form, all the form, whether it's human form or any form, is connected by a sea of energy.
Just like all the fish are connected by the sea.
Just like a Wi-Fi field.
And it connects everything.
And we are interacting with that field all the time.
And we're interacting with that field of possibility, probability, the quantum field of possibility and probability, as it's called.
We're interacting with that with our own energetic fields.
Because the body is just the level the five senses can perceive.
There are many, many other levels of the human entity, which are what some people call subtle bodies.
They are energetic fields of consciousness that are outside the visual limits, which are pathetically small, of the five senses.
And we are interacting with this field of possibility and probability, this ocean.
With our energetic field.
Now, what dictates the nature of our energetic field?
Our perceptions do.
If you believe yourself only to be the labels of a human life, you perceive yourself to be little me, I've got no power, then that perceptual state will become your the state of your energetic field because as is well known now every time we think and every time we feel We are generating frequencies, and those frequencies are different depending on the nature of the thought and emotion.
So joy and love are very high light frequencies and depression and fear are very low slow frequencies, which is why we feel, quote, heavy when we're in those low vibrational states.
So the sum total Of the mental and emotional frequencies we are generating from our perceptual state is dictating the perceptual field.
And thus it's dictating how we interact with this sea of possibility and probability that we're interacting with all the time without knowing it.
And so if you are in a little me, I've got no power, What can I do?
A kind of mentality.
Then that will express itself through the frequencies it generates in a very limited perceptual field.
Your mental and emotional sense of limitation will become your energetic perception.
state of limitation and so you will interact with the field of possibility and probability in a very narrow low vibrational way and therefore you will create this feedback loop which will deliver a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Your perception of self becomes your experience of self and when you Re-evaluate your self-identity, which is the last thing this cult wants.
Oh my God, worst nightmare.
And you start to self-identify with being not the labels of a human life, but the consciousness, eternal, infinite awareness, having an experience called the labels.
Then your expanded sense of self-identity Becomes an expanded perceptual field.
One creates the other.
And as a result, you are now interacting with the field of possibility and probability in a much more expanded, much more expansive, and much more high-frequency state.
And thus, what you will bring into your life as an experience through the feedback loop between the fish and the sea We'll be extraordinarily different to someone in little me mode.
And this is why when people go through this so-called awakening, what is awakening?
It's awakening from the five sense prison.
That's what it is. It's awakening to the fact that we've been living a false self identity, which I call phantom self all our lives.
And as we go through that, Awakening, people then start to see synchronicity in their lives and things happening and bits of luck just when you need them and fancy seeing you here.
What's the chances of that?
And I mean, the information has come from me to me over the last 32 years through synchronicity.
I mean, you couldn't make up some of the things that have happened to me in terms of information dropping in my lab.
And so your life becomes expansive because your self-identity becomes expansive.
And what happens is as you expand your awareness, you go to levels of perception which can see the dots.
You are perceiving through your intuitive knowing that Beyond the five senses.
So you start to see intuitively how the dots connect and how the patterns are there to be seen.
Whereas in little me mode, five sense only mode, you can't see how dots connect because all you can see is dots.
It's what the five senses do.
And so what you're seeing, going back to what I talked about earlier, With the awakening people in the COVID era and the ones buying the lie in the COVID era, you're seeing absolutely on public display this different state of consciousness.
When you are in little me mode, so I'm little me, I've got no power, so the government must tell me what to do.
So those who are becoming more and more aware of their own power and their own potential, and thus they don't want to be told what to do, they want to decide what to do themselves.
And it's the decide-what-to-do people that all this censorship is targeting.
Because the cult's terrified of that.
They're terrified of awakening because their control, how can the few control the many?
How can a literal comparative handful control 8 billion nearly?
Unless the 8 billion control themselves by their perception.
And therefore their behavior.
So once this cult loses control of perception, it loses control of the world and it loses control of humanity.
Yes, yes.
and they don't want us to create a, to get together and recognize that we're all one,
there is no separation. So they create race wars and all those different, you know,
things to separate us because they don't want us to get together and create a world of love
because they cannot touch love. They're afraid of love because love is what bring us all together.
And you can't touch love because it's, it's a frequency beyond where they're at.
Literally, it's a different radio station on a completely different wavelength to the one they're on.
why that's why they they not only can't affect it, they seek to stop it being felt by other people,
which is why they are all the time trying to get us to fear and pull us into those
low vibrational band that they're in. Because they know that they lose control of us once that,
once we break out of that band and start to express ourselves in a more committed way.
And that's what I tell my family.
The only purpose of the news media, in my opinion, the only purpose it serves, I really don't, I haven't watched TV in so long, but the only purpose it serves is to consistently give us hope.
False information to change our perception, to create that fear and that division so we can always believe that something or someone outside of us is doing something to us, so we can always live in that state of fear and totally detach from love, which is what we are.
We are love. So how does this tie into the metaverse and Their plan to change us to a synthetic biological human being.
How does this all tie into our minds connecting to AIs and all of that they're planning in the new world order?
Well, I've just finished a new book, actually, which goes into this in levels that I've never seen written anywhere else.
It's another stage of the rabbit hole.
It really is. But to keep it where we are at the moment, I've been saying since just after the turn of the millennium that we live in a simulation.
It's the equivalent of a vast advanced virtual reality.
And came across who was even going there and he went there in a different way to me,
was a guy called Nick Bostrom at Oxford University.
But, you know, in the years that have passed, the many years that have passed, more and more mainstream scientists are saying, well, actually, if it was a simulation, it would explain so many things that are otherwise unexplainable.
For instance, the physics of our reality is the same physics, basically, as a virtual reality game, a computer game.
It's been well established.
So why? And this simulation is a trap.
And we interact with the simulation through the human body, through the five senses.
And that's why the cult wants us to stay In only five-sense mode, five-sense perception, because then our perception is the simulation.
The simulation is being fed to us all the time.
And, you know, when the Matrix movies came out, it was a godsend for me, for whatever reason that motivated them, because suddenly there was a visual portrayal Of what I was trying to get across.
And so if you look at the symbolism of the matrix, the characters who were outside the matrix didn't go into it in their bodies.
Their bodies stayed outside.
They went into it through their minds.
So there was the probe put into the back of their neck and what that fed to their brain was information.
And they went in to the matrix as a result of that information.
It was like putting a headset on in a virtual reality game, basically.
And so if you take the brain in that To be actually the mind, because the brain is not the mind.
The brain is a computer that processes information.
The mind is an energetic field.
If you take the mind to be the brain in the matrix, if you like, the simulation is being fed to that level of us that we call mind.
And the mind is decoding that information in waveform, etc.
It decodes it into a digital form.
And that digital form, digital holographic form, is the world that we're experiencing.
And it's kind of interesting that when you break down how we...
Create and perceive what we call physical reality.
There is no physical reality in truth.
The five senses are picking up waveform information.
They turn it into electrical information, which is fed to the brain.
And the brain decodes it, processes it, into digital holographic information.
And that digital holographic information appears to be outside of us when it's actually within us.
And so the external world does not exist in physicality.
What we call the external world is a waveform field of information which we're decoding.
Just as you get Wi-Fi and the computer will take that Wi-Fi information, which is nothing more than a radiation field, But it's encoded with information.
That Wi-Fi field is encoded with the entire information of the internet.
And a computer will tap in, connect with that Wi-Fi field, and it will put the information in the field on the screen in a totally different state to what it is in the field.
This is one of the interesting things as I research this.
The gathering technological network and possibilities of the modern technological world are mimicking the reality that we're actually experiencing.
So when people put a headset on and they put the gloves on, And they put the earphones on when they're playing a virtual reality game.
What that game is doing is hacking into the five senses.
It's hacking into the brain.
And that information is being fed to the brain.
Think of the probe in the back of the people of the matrix.
Outside the matrix.
And they go into the game.
But what's taking them into the game is the mind.
And you can see as people kind of respond.
I mean, they're standing in a room.
They're like in the Matrix.
They're outside the Matrix.
But through the mind, they go into the Matrix.
They go into the virtual reality game.
And it can be so real to them that they're thrashing around, even though they're in a room that's obviously not in the...
Reality that they're experiencing at all is completely different.
Take the headset off, oh god, back in the room again.
But when it's on, it is constantly feeding information to the brain and it's hacking into the very processes through which we create this reality.
And imagine if you put a headset on when you come out of the womb, And you'd never take it off.
What's going to be your reality?
What's going to be your sense of reality?
It's going to be whatever the headset is feeding your brain.
When you go through that process of expansion, expansion of awareness, you start to tap into frequencies that are beyond the simulation.
That's when you start to get it.
You start to realize what the situation is.
And, you know, you see more and more and more about the simulation as you awaken and expand.
But there comes a point where you actually are tapping into energy's consciousness awareness beyond the simulation.
And at that point, you see we're in a simulation.
Even if you don't see it, then you intuitively know it.
Mm-hmm. You know, just after the turn of the millennium, I said, we're in a simulation and the limits of the simulation on our level of it, if there are other levels of it, is the speed of light.
And that the speed of light appears to be the fastest speed.
It's not. It's pedestrian compared with what's possible.
But it seems to be the fastest speed because it's the fastest speed Within the simulation, it's the limit speed of the simulation.
And then in April 2021, there was an article in Scientific American where this guy, you know, academic guy, comes out.
He says, he's concluded that we live in a simulation and the limit of the simulation is the speed of light.
I thought, that's interesting.
I said that around 2002, 2003.
And so what he's saying is he's absolutely right.
Is that if you create a virtual reality game, then the rules that you set for that game, and you're setting them because you're creating it, are what we call the laws of physics.
It's the rules of the game.
But no matter what the rules of the game are, there's always a limit And that's the processing speed of the computation.
And he was linking the speed of light to the limit of the processing speed of the simulation.
And he's absolutely right.
And so as people awaken...
This group that I'm talking about, getting bigger all the time, they are becoming less and less influenced.
They might not know we're in a simulation, they might not have got that far, but they're becoming less and less influenced by the simulation direction.
Because what they're doing is they're starting to say, instead of just following everyone else, I want to think for myself, I want to make my own decisions.
So you become less and less influenced by it, even though you don't know you're in it.
But if you expand your consciousness enough, You start to see that actually we are in a simulation.
And that's the last thing this cult wants.
It needs us in the simulation to be in this world and of this world.
So all our perceptions are coming from the stimuli of the simulation.
The awakening break that.
And when they break it, they start to access levels of awareness that are not influenced at all by the simulation.
And that's when the whole house of cards comes down because it loses its power over us.
And, you know, I've reached the point now where I keep it constantly in my mind that I'm in a simulation and that I am a state of awareness Outside the simulation, that's the true I, that's me.
Yes, yes. Because it's important, I would suggest, to kind of hold that because what this simulation is doing is subliminally impacting on us all the time through the subconscious, the conscious mind, whatever.
It's subliminally impacting upon us.
And what you find with the subliminal world is that once you make the subliminal conscious, the subliminal loses its power over you.
So I've used images in my books over the years where I put the picture in the book and there's been a subliminal image in it.
Something that the conscious mind can't see, but the subconscious sees it.
That's what subliminals are about, manipulating the subconscious.
But the point is, something like 95% of people won't see the subliminal.
But once you point it out, there it is.
And people see it.
In other words, it's gone from the subconscious to the conscious.
Every time that person sees that picture ever again, The subliminal is the first thing they see because it's been made conscious.
So this simulation is constantly, subliminally, directing our thoughts, directing our lives, directing our perceptions if you're not in touch with awareness beyond it.
But once you make it conscious, Yes, this is a simulation.
And I am consciousness beyond the simulation.
Then there's a completely different perceptual consciousness and dynamic between you and the world that you are experiencing.
And this loses its power over you absolutely massively.
So we'll come to the metaverse because this is where this connects into this.
As people...
More and more awaken.
They are creating, not least to take those not awakening deeper and deeper and deeper into the illusion.
They're creating other levels of the simulation.
What you could call, because it's true, a simulation within the simulation.
So if you look at this smart grid that The smart grid is, which is being created by people like Elon Musk, putting up these low orbit satellites, thousands of them, to beam Wi-Fi and 5G, et cetera, at the Earth.
Because they're creating this technological, what they call cloud, and the point of the satellites is to eventually have the cloud at every inch of the planet.
Because the idea is to connect the human brain through artificial intelligence to the cloud.
So we become a hive mind of the cloud.
I mean, they're basically admitting this.
Well, they are admitting it. People like Ray Kurzweil at Google.
Because now, like I say, it's come to sales pitching it and selling it because they know they can't hide it anymore because they're on the brink of bringing it in.
So, this smart grid in which all technology is connected to this cloud, this internet cloud and is controlled by it, and the internet of things, which is what that is, is moving towards what they call the internet of everything, which is when the human brain is also connected to the cloud.
So whoever controls the cloud controls every human mind and all technology connected to the cloud, which is planned to be all technology.
I mean, it's tens of billions of things already.
So what they're doing is they're creating a simulation within a simulation because what this cloud is doing is creating another layer Or another layer of information, another information field to which humans are attached and are influenced by.
So you've got the simulation field where you've got the infinite field, then you've got the simulation field.
But now you've got the smart grid field within the simulation field.
And the metaverse is another layer.
That's to take your...
Perception, even out of the body and into an avatar, which is nothing more than a digital vehicle.
So consciousness then is within a simulation, within a simulation, the smart grid, within a simulation, the metaverse, And consciousness is working through a body which is connected to the simulation and is all part of the simulation actually.
But through the body it's now also a avatar body that's simply in cyberspace.
So look at where it's going.
Further and further away from expanded levels of consciousness which is the true I. They're building layers and layers and layers of illusory technologically generated simulated realities to entrap us deeper and deeper and deeper into the illusion.
And one aspect of this is, or one expression of this, is the woke mentality.
Once upon a time, we had human labels, which were human self-identity labels, which were man, woman, religion, race.
But now, in the woke era, which is all funded by the billionaires of the cult, BLM is funded by the Anyone think George Soros cares about black people?
I'm going to laugh. So why is he funding BLM? Divide and rule.
Yes. So you have this woke mentality, which what it's doing, if you look at it, because you've got this list of letters, LGBT, and it goes on and on and on and on now, Where people are now self-identifying the I with the minute eye of sexual preference, even.
So what's happening is, from an expression of all that is, has been and ever can be, we're coming down into, who are you?
I'm my sexual preference.
So everything is trying to pull people into this perceptual self-identity myopia, which all these simulated illusory realities are there to entrap us in.
So, you know, when people like Elon Musk come out, Elon Musk is absolutely involved in this.
I mean, instead of listening to his Man of the People kind of...
I mean, a lot of the alternative media bought this guy.
He's an absolute fraud.
Just look at what he's doing.
He's putting up the satellites, which are essential to creating the cloud, and that's the smart grid.
He's fronting up Tesla, which is going towards autonomous cars, which is simply to make sure that the computer will decide where you go and the limits of where you can go and not you anymore, like with a petrol engine.
And he's started this company called Neuralink, which is killing lots of monkeys on the way to connecting the human brain to computers.
Just look at what he's doing.
Everything he's doing is serving the cult.
So this is the reason I mentioned that, is when he comes out, as he did a little while ago, and he said we could be living in a simulation, because he knows we are.
All these people know we are, these cult operatives.
All these people in Silicon Valley, the major players, they know we're in a simulation.
Zuckerberg's not the brightest man ever to walk the earth.
I mean, just look at him. But he will know that this is a simulation and the metaverse is part of accentuating the simulation with another level of it, another level of illusion.
You know, it's so important That people let the information be their guide and not preconceived idea and certainly not limit where they will go and what they will say and what they will explore by how they think people will respond to them doing it.
Because if you live in a prison of fearing what other people think, Then you're not going to go into any of these areas that are going to bring things to the surface that we need to know about.
Because you're going to say, well, even if I've kind of seen it, I can't talk about it because how will people react to me?
So I'll keep my mouth shut.
And so what happens is through intimidation, the prevailing simulation narrative prevails.
And... So, crucial to actually breaking out of that prison is to lose the fear of what other people think of you, because it doesn't matter, because they'll think something else tomorrow.
Yes. I'm the living proof of that.
I mean, you know, I've been ridiculed and abused by some monumental morons.
I mean, you know, if you want to meet a moron, just follow me in the 90s.
You meet them all the time. Passing me in the street and laughing and pointing and all that stuff.
If you had allowed that to happen, you wouldn't be where you are today and written the 20 plus books that you have written.
Caring what other people think about us is detrimental to our expansiveness and our growth and to breaking out of this matrix.
If you look at it, fear of what other people think is another means to impose the official narrative.
Yes.
Because you simply will not challenge the official narrative because the majority have bought it and you don't
want to go against the majority because what will people think?
What will people do and say? And so the official narrative, even though you may want to question it, doesn't get
questioned.
It's another form of censorship.
Because the worst type, the most insidious type of censorship is self-censorship.
Because that means there's no debate.
There's nothing. What's inside you simply doesn't circulate or get debated or discussed because you won't say it.
And what happens when you go through this awakening process, you break out the five cents prison cell, is this demand that comes from that, that you come to your own conclusions, rather than someone else telling you what your conclusion should be, Means that you are going to speak out.
You are going to speak your truth.
The more you awaken, the more people speak their truth.
Because the less concern they have about what other people think.
Because the greatest way of suppressing and submitting humanity, getting them to submit, is to delete their self-respect.
Once your self-respect's gone, there's nothing left but submission.
It's self-respect that stops you submitting.
It's self-respect that stopped people having the jab, that stopped people following the guidelines of the COVID hoax.
I went through the whole thing.
I never did any of it.
Nothing. Not one little tiny thing did I do in that whole period that I was supposed to do.
I wouldn't do it. And so, again, when you open this and you go into these expanded levels of consciousness, it doesn't mean you're Buddha, you know, cross-legged on a mountain or under a tree.
It's our natural state.
It's how we all should be.
We're in an unnatural state because it's been artificially suppressed.
So we don't express that natural state.
The whole point of the manipulation is And so once you open your heart, once you start to expand your awareness to levels of frequency that are beyond the simulation and its influence, you stop looking at consequences for doing what you know to be right.
Because To look at consequences is to consider not doing what you know to be right.
And anyone that wants to stand up and challenge this evil will be able to list a series of potential consequences for why they probably shouldn't do it.
And the list gets long enough and people say, well, I'd like to do it, but not that badly.
Whereas you reach levels of awareness, levels of self-identity, where consequences don't matter anymore.
I'm doing what I know to be right, and that's it.
There is no other conversation to be had It's right to do this.
It's right to say this.
So I'm going to do it and say it.
And that's when no level of ridicule, no level of abuse will stop you saying it and doing it.
Because fearing abuse and ridicule for doing and saying something That's a perceived consequence which stops people doing it.
Well, you don't perceive consequences because you don't even consider them.
It's right, so I'm doing it.
Then ridicule and abuse have no effect on you whatsoever.
And I can tell you that from experience.
There's no level of abuse.
There's no level of ridicule.
There's no level of threat or alleged intimidation that will stop me doing what I know to be right.
It just won't happen. I'd rather die than do that.
I love it.
I love it. It's so important for us to, you know, free yourself from the chains of what other people think about us and, you know, speak the truth.
I think it's our divine right once we've awakened to what's going on.
To bring that information into the world so as to wake up the rest of our brothers and sisters and realizing that, you know, we are the majority and we are the ones who are holding ourselves back by allowing the few at the top to control us.
Exactly. And it's very simple.
It's just a system of imposition and acquiescence, imposition and acquiescence.
Each perceived superior level in the hierarchy imposes and the level below it acquiesces and then imposes on the level below them.
That's how the whole deal works.
So you've got your people in your luminous jackets who seem to be breeding overnight.
Luminous jackets are everywhere.
And their perceived bosses Tell them what to do and how to behave in relation to the public and so they do.
And their bosses are told by their bosses and their bosses are told by their bosses.
And it's a hierarchy of imposition and acquiescence, which comes eventually down to the bottom of the pyramid in the hierarchy where you have the mass of the population.
And if we acquiesce at that level to those levels that are imposing upon us, like governments and law enforcement and all these people, then we have completed a circuit between the top of the pyramid, which is the inner core of this cult, globally and nationally, to the bottom of the pyramid, which is the mass of humanity.
We've completed a circuit of imposition, acquiescence, imposition, acquiescence, that if we acquiesce, As a population, that circuit has imposed upon the entire human population, getting over 8 billion people, what a handful of people at the top of the cult, top of the pyramid, have dictated.
And that inner core of the cult, you would get into a single room.
And yet through this imposition acquiescence technique, They impose their will on billions and billions of people.
And if people say, well, you know, they can't do that, well, the COVID era, I rest my case.
Yes, yes. Thank you so much, David, for that, you know, for standing up to your truth.
And in doing so, you have opened my eyes and a lot more, you know, thousands, millions of other eyes and have awakened us to what is really going on in the world and how we can, you know, stand in our sovereignty and stand in our truth and, you know, really stand in our powers, realizing that we are the power and And there's just no more in, you know, accepting what is being told to us and accepting that we are seeing reality through our five senses, which we're not.
That we're consciousness, we are the great I, having human experiences.
And it is our divine right to live in that truth and be able to see your kids and grandchildren live in their truth as well.
So thank you. My next question is how...
How do we gain, reclaim our sovereignty and really be able to say enough is enough?
How do we reclaim our sovereignty and step out of the stories that are being told to us for the ones that are still asleep?
What is it that you want to say to them to wake them up?
Well, the ones who are asleep are asleep.
And the only people that can wake up asleep people are asleep people.
What you can do is put information out there and those who have ears will hear.
Those who haven't yet won't.
And I think this is important because I meet a lot of people, I do understand it, who get terribly frustrated That their family won't get it or people they know won't get it.
Friends won't get it.
But what's the point of becoming frustrated?
You know, you put information out there and people that are affected by it will be affected by it and people who are abused as a result of it will do that.
So it's just a matter of doing everything you can And not getting pulled into all the emotion and frustration of it.
Because that ain't going to do anything.
It's just going to pull you down.
And, you know, it's one of the things that, you know, when you break out of the five cents prison, you find a sense of security.
And Secure people are at peace with how things are.
They say things like, it is what it is.
It doesn't mean they accept what it is.
They do everything they can to make the is nicer, more enlightened, if you like.
But they accept it is what it is.
And they don't get frustrated when it's not what they'd like it to be.
We continue to work towards that, but we can get pulled into low-frequency states trying to express high-frequency states.
It's very easy to fall into it.
That is true, especially when you care so much.
Yeah. Yes.
And it's not about...
Caring or not caring.
It's about doing what you can and being at peace that you've done what you can and therefore not to get frustrated that it's not had necessarily the effect with some people that you'd like it to have.
You see, I have this...
This philosophy on life, which has been very useful over a lot of years.
Well, many years, decades.
And that's, I don't do things to help people.
Because if you do things with the motivation of helping people, then when they turn on you, they variably do, a lot of them, you become hurt and...
Almost resentful.
I've tried to help you and you treat me like this.
I do things because I believe them to be right.
And in the process, people are helped.
But I'm doing it because I believe it to be right.
And that's my motivation.
So when people turn on you, You don't say, well, how can you do that?
You know, I've tried to help you.
No, I did what I did because I believed it to be right.
I like that. And the fact that you've turned on me having done that, well, that's fine because I've not done it.
I've not personalized it with you.
I'm doing it because I believe it to be right.
And it's a completely different way of interacting with the world.
So, you know, you do what you know to be right, or you believe to be right, in putting information in front of people, but you don't take it personally when they reject it.
Because, you know, if we believe in freedom, and I do, then people must have the freedom to reject what you say, because otherwise it's not freedom.
My motivation is not to persuade people that what I'm saying is right.
They have to decide that.
It's to say, here's another way of looking at the world.
Here's another way of looking at this situation, this event, this happening.
That's different to what you're being told through the mainstream and the authorities.
Here's another way of possibly looking at it.
But once I've done that, whether people look at it or don't is entirely up to them and I'm completely at peace with that.
It is what it is.
I like that.
I absolutely like that.
You're doing it because you know it to be right.
And not caring what other people think, you know, about what you're doing, but you're doing it because this is what you know to be right.
I absolutely love that.
I'm not quite there yet, but I'm working on getting to a place in my life where I sincerely do not care what other people think about me.
And be able to, you know, rise above the fear and rise above, you know, the level of criticism that I know is out there.
So tell us about your next book.
I do know that this book, The Perceptions of a Renegade Mind, is continuing to open my mind.
And it is continuing to, you know, shift my paradigm.
It's a masterpiece.
And I just want to encourage anyone who wants to know, you know, what is going on in the world.
And, you know, with the current state that it is right now, especially with the COVID, to pick up this book, you can get it from David's website or from Amazon.
So, David, tell us about your next book.
Well, it goes into...
Very deep levels of the trap.
How the trap works, what the trap is, and how we can escape from the illusions of the trap, because the trap is simply the selling of illusion.
And, you know, there are other levels of this simulation, not just The level of what we call the physical world.
There are other levels too.
I came across this obviously a long time ago.
This whole idea of reincarnation.
I'm not saying that doesn't happen.
I'm not saying that at all.
My question is, and always has been, is if you look at the size of, even if you take mainstream science, if you look at the size of the planet Earth against the perceived projected size of the universe, then planet Earth is the equivalent of a billionth of a pinhead.
So my question was, and continues to be, why do you have to keep reincarnating onto a planet, a billionth of a pinhead, over and over and over again, to learn the lessons that stop you having to do it?
Makes no sense.
Wow. But...
If there are other levels of the simulation to continue the entrapment of consciousness when it leaves the body, then it makes absolute sense.
Because what you're doing is reincarnating over and over again into a simulation, into one level of the simulation, this one, from other levels of the simulation.
And so what I've done across a great range of subjects over the decades is I've looked at ancient and modern and seen where the common themes are, because I'm always looking for patterns, I'm always looking for common themes, not least ancient and modern, because this ain't just happened, so it must have been talked about in the ancient world as well, and it absolutely is what you find.
And you are supposed to see, there's a In almost every, if not every, ancient culture, belief system, religion, there's this thing about learning and evolving and all that.
And if you go into the more esoteric kind of religions and cultures, it's about raising your frequency To escape the cycle of reincarnation, the vicious circle.
And there's an esoteric concept, an old esoteric concept, called the ring-pass-knot.
And that is perceived to be a barrier which you can only cross if you have reached a certain level of frequency, In other words, enlightenment of perception and enlightenment of self-identity.
And if you don't reach it, then you remain entrapped inside it until you reach that frequency level through enlightenment, as they call it, to leave.
You look at the various reincarnation religions, and that's what they're telling you.
But this is an esoteric concept.
They call it the Ring Pass Knot. But it's also, you've got the, some talk about the Ouroboros and the snake that's swallowing its own tail, and that's symbolized as the limit that keeps you inside.
So suddenly reincarnation starts to make more sense.
That you're not reincarnating onto a planet the size of a pinhead.
You're actually reincarnating from one level of the simulation into this level of the simulation.
And the idea is to keep you inside and outside of this in a state of perception, thus frequency, that stops you escaping.
The Frequency walls, the prison walls of the simulation in all its forms.
This ring past knot, if you like.
And so if you...
When you leave the body, your perception is that you have to keep coming back.
The perception of your mind, as opposed to your expanded consciousness, that you have to keep coming back to learn more lessons to evolve and be free of the cycle.
Then that becomes your perception of reality as much as this becomes your perception of reality when you're at this level of the simulation.
And so it's vital that we hold...
I mentioned this already.
We hold this self-identity that we are consciousness...
Infinite awareness beyond the simulation.
And that is the I. Because any other I is going to hold you in a state of imprisonment.
The five senses of the human body are going to imprison you in this level of the simulation.
And your...
Perception of reincarnation is going to hold you in that level of the simulation.
As long as you are not self-identifying with being all that is, has been, and ever can be, you are in some form of perceptual reality.
And that perceptual limitation expresses itself as a frequency limitation, thus entrapment within the frequency field bubble, if you like, of this multi-level simulation.
But, you know, the thing is, like I said earlier, if you self-identify with little me, You will create little me because you become little me.
Your self-identity dictates what you connect with because it's dictating your frequency.
So if we self-identify with the body as opposed to being a vehicle for an experience of the true I, Then the limitations of the body become the limitations of the perception of the eye, become the limitations of the frequency field that we're generating and operating on.
If you go to the level of you are a soul, then you have to keep reincarnating to evolve, because that's what the other levels of the simulation are feeding you when you leave the body.
Through the tunnel and all that, then that's going to be your sense of reality and that's going to be your sense of limitation.
And it's going to be what you attach to.
The level of awareness that you attach to is the level of awareness that you self-identify with.
That is powerful.
You can just hold this self-identity that I am a point of attention Within all that is, has been and ever can be.
And potentially my attention, point of attention can be all that is, has been and ever can be.
But I am a state of awareness.
I am a state of being aware.
I'm not a body.
I'm not a soul.
I am awareness.
And potentially all awareness.
That connects you to that level of awareness.
It doesn't matter if you're in a body or reincarnating or whatever.
That self-identity, if we can hold it and not get pulled in, Will attach you, will connect you.
It has to, because what you self-identify as you will connect with in terms of frequency.
And so then when you leave the body, you'll be out of here.
Because you will not be on a level of frequency, thus perception, which becomes your frequency, self-identity, which becomes your frequency.
That can be stopped by any simulation.
You know, it's like two radio stations.
You're out of here. There is no limit once you become a self-identity of no limit.
I love it.
I love the way that you just broke it down and the way we're identifying ourselves is creating that, you know, that loop that we find ourselves in, keep coming back reincarnated.
And it's so important, like you said, for us to self-identify as consciousness, not having a gender, not having a title, not having, you know, nothing, just a A pure awareness who is having an experience but not attaching that awareness to the experience.
Hopefully I'm doing you justice and trying to explain it over again.
See, this is one of the things you see is that people hand over responsibility for Reality and the eye to people they consider to be cleverer than them.
So they will hand over responsibility for telling us what reality is to scientists, the great majority of which haven't got a bloody clue what reality is.
They're still stuck in the five cents prison cell.
It's why science is overwhelmingly, apart from, you know, in some areas, but overwhelmingly, it's about the world of solidity and the world of physicality.
The world of biology and all this stuff is because they're stuck in the five senses.
You know, there was the famous Plato analogy about the cave when he was using it as a...
As a symbol for reality.
And it was prisoners in chains in a cave, so they could only see one wall.
And behind them, they couldn't see it, was a fire.
And behind them, there were people and there were animals walking past.
And because of the fire, their shadows were cast on the wall.
Now, these prisoners could only see that wall.
So the shadows on the wall were now their sense of reality.
And Plato says that some of these prisoners became experts on the shadows on the wall.
And they are today's scientists and academics.
They're studying the shadows on the wall, thinking it's reality.
So, the point is, and to maintain their careers, they need to keep saying that.
So, what I'm saying is, don't fall for the complexity.
Because once people see something as complex...
They don't think that they could possibly understand it.
So they hand over responsibility for understanding it, which is then told to them what they should understand it has, to people they think are clever and can understand complexity, which is scientists and academics who, you know, talk about the blind leading the bloody blind.
And yet...
The genius is not in understanding complexity.
It's seeing the simple hidden by complexity.
So the foundation of life and how it works is dead simple.
But as it plays out, it appears to be complex.
Because of all the different expressions of this simple situation.
And the simple situation is what you self-identify as you connect with.
And so if you self-identify with limitation, you will connect with limitation.
You will live, experience limitation.
And if you, like I say, self-identify with being that all it is, has been, and ever can be, Then you will connect with that, and it will influence your perceptions, your understandings, your insights, your intuitive knowing.
And that's the whole simple foundation.
What you believe, you perceive, and what you perceive, you experience.
And then from that simple perception becomes experience foundation.
Becomes all these different perceptions and all these different experiences as a result of the perception.
And that's where everything seems so complex.
And oh my God, you know, I don't understand it.
Get a scientist in here.
Right? But that complexity is just the playing out of the deadly simple.
And if we can go to the deadly simple, then we take control of our lives.
Because why is this cult, through all its networks, constantly trying to control our perception?
Because it knows this sequence is real.
If they can hijack our perceptions, they'll dictate our experience.
And what we need to do is take control of our perceptions back and thus take control of our experience back.
And that's the difference between awakening and being fast asleep.
That was brilliantly said.
Thank you so much, David.
I'm sitting here with just shivers going through my body because if people really understand, like you say, how much their perception matters, then they would be more mindful of what they consume, of what they watch, of who they listen to, and just be more curious into asking the questions, who am I? Just asking that simple question, who am I, will lead to Thank you so much, David, for taking time out of your busy day to sit with me and have this conversation.
It is so well needed, especially in today's world where, you know, it's just so much wrongdoings
going on.
And the good news is, you know, having a book like this, the perception, perceptions of
a renegade mind will is opening the minds of a lot of people who didn't know what was
going on like myself.
And you know, I just want to just, you know, like I said before, I just, I honor you so
much and I just want to thank you so much for taking time out to come and sit with me
and have this discussion.
And I hope that in the future, you know, we can sit here again and talk about this because
humanity needs, the good news is humanity is awakening and, you know, recognizing that
things are not what it appears to be.
So I would love for you to come back on and another time to sit down and talk about your new book when it's released and just have good eye-opening discussion.
Thank you so much, David.
Pleasure. Lovely to meet you.
Stage one, you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.