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Hats us to this very special podcast.
I'm excited to be joined today with the one and only David Icke.
This man needs no introduction.
He's been fighting for our freedom and our truth for eons now.
Absolute veteran and empowering people all over the world through his knowledge.
So welcome to the podcast, David.
Thanks, mate. Yeah, looking forward to it.
So I thought I'd start off with the event's Currently taking place in the world of geopolitics with Ukraine and Russia.
There's obviously a narrative that we're getting in the West about how poor Ukraine and how Russia's the baddie and how Putin's a madman that's trying to take over the whole of Europe.
I do think, though, this feeds into this idea of blocks being created around the world, economic zones.
How do you see things playing out?
Well, I think it depends where you're looking at it, really.
Because this global conspiracy, which is called geopolitics, or on one level it is, it operates on different levels.
So if you look at it on one level, you've got NATO poking Putin in the chest for a long, long time, trying to get him to react and do what he's done.
And then you've got Russia, which is saying, look, you're coming closer and closer to our borders with your NATO, with your weapons, etc.
Now you are looking to go into Ukraine.
So we're not having it.
So you can see it at that level.
But on another level, Where the strings are held, there's something much bigger going on.
I've been saying for a very long time, way back, that part of this plan is to dismantle Western society and to move the power alignment from the West to the East, to China particularly, As part of the process of creating a global society based on a world government, World Central Bank, World Army, etc.
that is based on the China model of total surveillance and control using technology.
So the Mao revolution in China was Manipulated and was driven by what I call this global cult, this global network of interlocking secret societies with a central mission control in a core.
And the reason for that was they wanted a country with a fiercely authoritarian regime which could just impose what it liked So that a system of mass human control could be incubated, not least, like I say, using technology, that could eventually be played out across the world.
Because up to the COVID era, and because they dropped any pretense when that started, the West has had to pay lip service to freedom and democracy.
So they've been able to move slower in this regard.
Not that they haven't moved, they have, but slower.
In China, what the government says happens, happens.
So what you've developed in China is this enormous technologically generated surveillance and control system in real time, where they can find almost anyone within minutes.
I've seen documentaries where they've tried it and shown how quick they can find people.
Millions of cameras in every city and this social credit system, of course.
Where you do what the government wants and you get credits.
You do what the government doesn't want in all areas of your life and you lose credits.
And if you lose enough credits, then you can't go on planes, you can't go on trains, you can't take part in the life that everyone else does.
So it's a control, absolute control system.
And the idea was to play this out across the world.
And of course, where did this COVID hoax come out of?
It came out of China.
We were shown all these pictures of people collapsing in the street.
That's not happened anywhere else, but it happened in China.
The pictures told us.
And what's happened is that the Chinese system has been played out more and more across the West.
That's the idea. But the bigger picture is that the center of power Moves to China.
China is a massive center for this global cult.
And so look at what's been happening over the recent decades.
The cards of control have been handed to China, and they've been handed to China with the support If not support, then the non-resistance of Western governments.
So first of all, you started this process of corporations in America and Europe, etc., outsourcing their production to China and the Far East, controlled by China.
So what they were giving away was the production of many essential products to China.
On the basis of it's cheaper.
Well, what they meant was that you had basically slave labor in China, so let's exploit it.
But that wasn't the real reason.
Like I say, there are these different levels.
So on one level, it's like, oh, we can produce cheaper in China.
But on another level, it's actually handing the aces to China.
It just depends what level of the pyramid you're looking at.
So what has happened is China's now got major control of the global supply chain.
And whether products get delivered or produced or they don't.
At the same time, you've had this strengthening alliance, which has become much stronger now, between China and Russia as the power alignment moves eastward.
So as a result of what's going on in Ukraine, This has been massively advanced in the sense that I did a meme recently on the website and it was of a person about to shoot themselves in the foot and the word said, take that Putin. So you've got, and this is all part of this process that I'm talking about, all these dots connect.
So, of course, you've got the energy supply, the gas and oil supply from Russia, which is now being affected, of course, by what's going on.
But go back one stage further and you'll see how these dots connect.
When Biden, who is just a complete, obviously a puppet, he can't even read the teleprompter properly, but in his name, from the moment he came to official power, the energy supply within the borders of the United States started being targeted.
So when he came to power, the United States was basically independent in energy supplies.
And what he then did from day one was shut down pipelines, stop investment in carbon fuels, etc., etc., etc.
This green hoax that is designed, well, we've now seen very seriously part of what it was designed to do, to destroy Western energy supply.
Because if you notice, with all these extinction rebellions and Greta Thunberg and all these people, they target the West, say the West is not doing enough, the West must do this, do that, must stop using fossil fuels and all that.
But they leave China alone, if you notice.
Yeah, no, absolutely. I find the hypocrisy quite stunning.
China alone.
China's still building coal-fired power stations.
Now, I actually don't have a problem with that, because if you look at the truth rather than the lies, carbon dioxide is the gas of life.
And in fact, there's not enough in the atmosphere, never mind too much.
If you talk to carbon dioxide experts and how that relates to the The natural world and the food supply and the growth of plants.
It's not by chance that growers put extra carbon dioxide into their greenhouses because, you know, the plants and the food supply, in other words, they suck carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.
It's their version of oxygen.
And so if you reduce it and reduce it and reduce it, you're hitting on that.
That's why, and this is provable fact, the Earth has got greener since the industrial era.
So, you've seen that too, whereby the Western supply of energy has been targeted by the cult.
I mean, who was it?
That put Greta Thunberg on the stage, on the world stage.
It was the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab.
That's where they did it.
They launched her there. Her handlers being Rothschild and...
Absolutely right.
Look at who funds Extinction Rebellion, Soros-funded organisations.
Yeah, and of course it's always the cult billionaires that fund all these organisations.
They couldn't care less about the environment.
Well, not only that, I put a story on davidapp.com today about Bill Gates and his beachside properties.
He's terrified of sea level rises, obviously.
I mean, these people know it's a load of crap, right?
They just want to tell us to believe it.
So we'll accept their agenda, and their agenda is...
I mean, if you think about it, if you want to control a society, there are many different elements you can control to control a society, but one of them is energy.
You control energy supply, you fundamentally affect and control a society and what it can do, what it cannot do.
So is the dots building They targeted through green policies, they called them, energy supply.
And from America, for instance, being self-sufficient in energy, we reached a point in basically less than a year of Biden, whereby they were dependent for oil, etc., on Russia!
At just the time, they were really poking Russia and Putin in the chest to try to get him to react.
And what was Biden's first response when the invasion of Ukraine happened, or very early in the invasion?
It was to ban the import of Russian products.
So there's your Russian oil gone, which you've made the country dependent on.
And so what's happening with all these different things is that energy prices are going through the roof and beyond, skyrocketing.
And one of the things I've pointed out over the years is that the plan to Create a method of control by controlling food supply and reducing the food supply so people become dependent literally to eat upon the authorities.
And so what you've had in this invasion of Ukraine is that something like a quarter, for instance, of the wheat production in the world is produced in Ukraine and Russia.
So that's now under question.
Russia produces a vast amount of fertilizer which American farmers, Western farmers use to grow their crops.
No, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
That's gone. So this is why I did that meme with someone about to shoot themselves in the foot saying, take that, Putin.
Now, on one level, again, these different levels, you can look at that and you can say, Biden's an idiot.
And you can say previous presidents were idiots, like Obama, et cetera, and before.
Why would they keep handing all the aces in control to China?
And why would they negatively affect their own country with all these decisions, like the decisions with Russia now?
But when you go to that level, they are dismantling Western society.
The penny drops When you realize that China's controlled by the cult, Russia's ultimately controlled by the cult, Ukraine's controlled by the cult, European countries are controlled by the cult, and America, Canada are essentially controlled by the cult, plus other places in the world, but they're the key ones.
And therefore, at that level, there's a chess game going on, which appears at this level on the daily news to be happening in a certain way, but the real reason is happening here.
So now you've got this...
Alliance which was always planned to be cemented between Russia and China.
There's no way that Russia went into Ukraine without China's backing because they knew the sanctions would come and therefore they needed a major, major power like China to watch their back and mop up the economic Consequences of doing that.
And so there's a massive geopolitical game going on, but the foundation of it is securing this Russia-China alliance with other countries pulled in, maybe Iran, etc.
And the idea is to bring the East and West into conflict.
Militarily and economically.
But economically, of course, as we've been talking about, the West, through decisions made by cult operatives in the West, they've been handing the power to China.
And then you look at the COVID situation, or the alleged COVID situation in China, where they're locking down draconian lockdown, merciless lockdown.
Tens of millions of people.
But that's affecting the supply chain.
And none of these things are by accident.
They are by design.
And so we're in for some interesting times because, as always, you've got the psychopaths running governments in the various countries, and you've got the people taking the consequences of the psychopaths.
That is human history in a sentence.
No, it's interesting. I mean, I think it's fascinating the fact that we've placed these sanctions on Russians, and I heard Jaguar saying that Russians can't now import Jaguar as well.
I don't know how many Russians that own Jaguars, do you know what I mean?
But there's a lot of, like you said, it's the food, it's the energy.
Yeah, a lot of the stupid things they've done.
You know, the stupid, childish stuff they've done.
Stopping Russians attending a tree conference and stuff like that.
You know, I mean, Putin's just racing to surrender at the very thought.
It's, you know, it's just ridiculous.
Taking vodka off the shelves was not even made in Russia.
I mean, You know, I said years ago, mate, you know, the world is ruled by psychopaths and run by idiots.
And that's pretty much the dynamic.
Well, I mean, it's the totalitarian tiptoe, isn't it, which you write about in your books.
And it's all linked.
Like you say, it's connecting those dots.
I mean, if you look at the social credit system, that is the blueprint for humanity.
Then you've got the transhumanism as well.
And what they're doing with that.
And it's interesting about the food shortages, because under the sustainability agenda, they are definitely trying to push out the synthetic food, lab-grown food, lab-grown meat, plant-based food.
And I think they're trying to get humanity to switch over from living food, from nature, effectively, and create this artificial food.
Yes, they absolutely are.
And Gates is at the center of that.
He's funding that massively.
And he's come out, apparently, today, I saw a story in the last few days, to say that rich countries must move totally to a synthetic meat diet.
And, you know... It's very, very important that people don't get hooked on certain obsessions to the detriment or the exclusion of all else.
What you know for sure, for certain, is if this cult and its operatives like Gates want it, It's bad for humanity.
I mean, that is a cause and effect that is unquestionable, purely by the experience of the decades, etc.
So if they want to stop people, for instance, eating meat, I mean, you know, people talk about, you know, they have moral reasons for not eating meat.
Completely understand it.
Completely. And it's a choice.
And it's a choice, rightly, that people choose to make.
But If he don't want you to eat meat and only wants you to eat synthetic, well, it's not meat, is it?
Then there's a reason for it, which he knows and he doesn't want you to know.
And, you know, this whole synthetic thing is very much has been at the center of what I've been writing about in recent years.
I mean, it's no accident that these COVID jabs have synthetic genetic material in them.
It's no accident that That one of the fastest emerging of new scientific disciplines is synthetic biology.
The creation of synthetic life forms, synthetic organs, synthetic blood, synthetic everything.
They are...
The bio...
Bionics, you know.
Yeah. That is definitely something to do with moving humanity from a natural order of things to...
It's AI, automation, living on the smart grid, smart meters, smart technologies, IoT, Internet of Things, electric cars.
It's not because they love the planet, it's because they want to control you.
First of all, if you look at the list of solutions to...
The climate change hoax, and you look at the list of solutions to the COVID hoax, the enormous numbers of them are the same.
And it was all to do with the centralization of power and dictating a fine detail of your life.
But if you look at the climate change hoax, I mean, there's so many elements to it that are needed desperately By this cult to justify its agenda.
And so, you know, we talked about the targeting of Western energy supplies by wind power and all this stuff, which is never going to meet demand.
And you...
You look at all these other elements, like electric cars.
Okay, what are electric cars about?
Why is Elon Musk, this apparent man of the people, why is he fronting up SpaceX to fire 5G and other Wi-Fi radiation at the Earth from low-orbit satellites, increasing in number by the week?
Why is he running a company called Neuralink to connect the human brain to computers?
And why is he fronting up, and I say fronting up because that's what he's doing, for Tesla, which is driving this electric car, autonomous car, driverless car agenda.
It's because you mentioned this smart grid.
I mean, what is the smart grid?
It's a global version of what goes on now in China, only a much more advanced level of it eventually, where everything is controlled by technology, including the human mind, which is why they want to connect the human brain to artificial intelligence.
So artificial intelligence becomes the human mind, the human thinking processes.
And to do that, At the level they want, they need, and there are other reasons for this, but this is one of them, they need a much more synthetic human body.
And so you're seeing this movement from human 1.0 that we've known to human 2.0, which is a much more synthetic version, hence the mRNA synthetic genetic fake vaccines.
And this all connects, as we can come to, into this whole transgender agenda as well.
But if we just stay with electric cars and autonomous cars, that's all vehicles.
This is technology, AI, taking over for a start.
Far, far more jobs.
I mean, there's going to be no truck drivers eventually.
That's the idea. Bus drivers, all of them.
They won't be needed because of this autonomous vehicle agenda.
Of course, if you have petrol-driven cars, diesel-driven cars, you can't run them autonomously.
You need electrical vehicles to do it.
And then the computer can dictate everything.
And the idea of driverless cars is that the computer not only drives your car, It tells you where you can go and where you can't go, because where you can't go, it won't take you.
And you can't drive yourself, so there you go.
And so the driverless car agenda is all about control.
And where you can and cannot go on one level.
And of course, in Britain, we've had this controversy, quite right controversy, about what they call smart motorways, another giveaway.
Where they're taking out the emergency lane what we call in Britain the hard shoulder, which is where a car vehicle can escape to when it breaks down amid very fast moving traffic.
So what they're doing for people around the world listening to this Is they're taking out the emergency hard shoulder lane and making it a running lane.
So on these smart motorways, there's no escape.
There's no escape if you break down unless you're lucky to get one of these little escape areas.
They're putting it really too far apart.
And so many people have died already by the car breaking down and being hit from behind by a truck or something.
Now, why would they do that?
I mean, this is why people need to look and see how everything connects.
Why would they do that?
Why would they do something so stupid?
Because they're preparing for driverless cars.
That's what smart motorways are about.
That's what they're preparing for.
That's why they're doing it. For driverless cars.
The car won't start if you haven't got another car.
Social credit score or something, you know.
Yeah, I mean, well, they've got control of your car.
You can't start it up like a petrol engine and drive off.
If the computer says no, then you don't move.
You know, I mean, they've got, they're developing these autonomous vehicles that respond to police vehicles.
Whereby they pull over, if there's a police vehicle after you, and the windows come down.
I mean, people have no idea, most people, the scale of control that we're moving towards.
And the thing is, you know, in the end, it's all psychological.
Because human behavior comes from perception.
So you control perception, you control behavior, because people behave as they do, because they perceive as they do.
And what you want is to manipulate the psyche so it basically goes to sleep.
You may have noticed a few people have bought that one.
And it goes to sleep.
It's like a muscle. If you don't use it, it starts to fade away.
And the whole psychological underpinning of this is for technology to do everything so you don't have to think.
You know, imagine or observe all the things that the brain used to do that doesn't do anymore.
I mean, how many people, you know, Work out figures, you know, instead of using a calculator.
And the smartphones are like do-all devices that stop you having to think.
You just press some buttons and it does it.
Autonomous cars, you're not even driving anymore.
And so the idea is to continually Basically stop the psyche operating.
Well, it's interesting because since people have been vaccinated with this poison, I've noticed in the research that I've done and Hats does, we've noticed that people are a lot more docile.
You walk into a shop, people are bumping into things.
I think lockdowns mask the lack of oxygen and these vaccines, they're numbing your brain effectively.
And that's what they want, isn't it?
Well, that's massively part of what the COVID hopes was all about.
And I've heard it described as people being COVID trained.
Because one of the things that they were trained to do was just obey authority without question.
And you saw it all over the world.
You know, a comparative handful of people can't lock down billions unless the billions acquiesce.
You can't do it. So you start off by using the potent weapon of fear, fear of a virus that you've never actually scientifically shown to exist, but Even if for those people that accept that it does, it's nothing like as impacting upon health as they claimed.
But we had the...
The pictures out of China.
Then we had the pictures out of Italy, which a whole new view of those is now there to be seen.
That was a total con.
All that Italian crisis stuff.
Total con. Even the Italian authorities, health authorities, have admitted that.
They've not said it was a con, but they've said actually it wasn't what it seemed to be.
And so the fear that was engendered at that time, and a lot of old people in care homes in Britain were murdered by the state through a drug called Midazolam.
In America, it was a drug called Remdesivir sanctioned and imposed on doctors in hospitals by Anthony Fauci when the studies have been done that it caused multiple organ failure.
And these deaths from these drugs, particularly to bold people, were called the first wave of COVID. So if you only got your information from the BBC and CNN, etc., Then you appear to have reason to be frightened for your health and your family's health and survival.
And therefore you did what authority wanted.
And that was a big part of this COVID training.
And you get people into a mode of just doing what they're told without question.
I mean, I'm going around now on, you know, brilliantly hot days.
I'm still seeing people, sometimes young people, with masks on in the street.
It's insane.
Especially when, you know, if you believe in the virus, virus, virus, viral particles are so minute, you can only see them under an electron microscope.
The holes in the masks are far too big.
I think Jock is in the park running with masks on.
Cyclists with the mask on.
I've seen people in their own cars with a mask on.
I know! It's just unbelievable.
But that's mental illness, you see.
Mental illness with the definition of...
The conceding of the right to think for yourself.
That's what it is.
And conceding to fear.
And fear of death is massively, mercilessly manipulated.
It's where doctors and the medical system get their power from.
The population's fear of death.
Save me, doctor. As if the doctor most of the time is going to, because he hasn't got a clue how the body works, what the body is, never mind what to do about it.
And we've seen, of course, in these COVID years, how the medical profession, doctors and medical professionals in general, with honorable exceptions, are absolutely not to be trusted.
They're not to be trusted to be ethical.
They're not to be trusted to put the patient first.
And they're not to be trusted to have the intelligence to do the job that they're doing.
They're just... They're basically...
Well, not basically. They are.
They're just repeaters of the official version of everything.
You know, I've had conversations with some of them and asked them questions.
You know, how do you know that?
How do you know that? And the answer in the end, when you break it down, is, well, we've been told that's what it is.
Yes, but you don't know that, do you?
You've not researched that, have you?
What's in that... Fake vaccine vial you're putting into people.
You don't know, do you?
You've done no research.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
And what the COVID years have shown, which was obvious to some of us before, is just how few people it takes to dictate violence.
The direction of the world.
Because the people in the key positions say this is what's going to happen.
And then the hierarchy below them, in whatever profession it is, medicine in this case, just do what the few tell them.
It's a piece of cake.
And so... I mean, are you encouraged to see, though, in these COVID years?
I've seen a lot of people waking up in hats.
We tried to empower people.
What we're seeing is I think, personally, this game is going to be up for the elite, because people can see through the bullshit, right?
Like, people can see that this is a narrative.
There's always going to be those people that aren't awake.
But are you optimistic about the future?
Well, I've always been optimistic.
It's what's kept me going over the years.
But, you know, optimism only goes so far.
You know, people have got to not just see it, they've got to stop cooperating with it.
And when we stop cooperating with it, what is being imposed upon us becomes unimposable.
It becomes unenforceable.
And, you know, When you see the last two years, it's been a real eye-opener on how easy it is to dictate the behavior of enormous numbers of people.
I mean, you look at the way that very, very large numbers of people have moved from hating anti-vaxxers and hating so-called COVID deniers, as they hated COVID, Climate denies, as they call it, and have now started hating the Russians and anything to do with Russia.
These are software programs.
They are press-enter people, as I call it.
So there are still enormous numbers of them.
But there are, you're right, and it's been very encouraging to see the number of people who are seeing through it.
What's surprising What a number of people have observed is how some of those that saw eventually through the COVID hoax have bought the Ukraine-Russia hoax without question, which is kind of, no, no, no, that's not what it's about.
It's not just about COVID. It's where COVID fits in a much bigger picture.
And it's the methods of psychological manipulation used in the COVID era.
That's the level you have to see it.
Don't get caught in just COVID. Look at the psychological techniques that were used to get people to believe nonsense with relation to COVID. And you will see that the same techniques are being used to get people to believe complete nonsense about what's going on in Ukraine.
Because You know, like I say, when you see world events at the level of countries, you can see them in a certain way.
And it's very easy for the powers of communication, the media and Silicon Valley with its censorship, to present what all propaganda looks to present.
And that's a black and white view of the world.
The Nazis used to say, keep your propaganda simple so people can easily understand it.
So what we've got at this level of the Ukraine-Russia situation is the narrative of a psychopathic madman, Putin, invading the country of a good guy, Zelensky, fighting for freedom and democracy.
But Zelensky is a psychopath.
He's a crook. He's controlled by oligarchs.
He's, to an extent, an oligarch himself in terms of corruption.
And Ukraine overthrew an elected leader in Yanukovych in 2014.
I didn't like him either.
I went to Ukraine when he was leader.
Ukraine wasn't free then.
But they overthrew an officially elected leader with an American coup.
And this guy Poroshenko came in, complete crook, put in there by the Americans.
And eventually it's led through to this comedian Zelensky.
And so this is not an independent little country that is defending itself against big bad Russia.
This is an asset of the Western structure, power structure, being used in a much bigger picture of geopolitical realignment.
Yeah, it's interesting that we've described.
I'm getting a couple of...
In the truth movement, we're getting two different schools of thoughts.
I'm guessing that Putin is fighting the New World Order.
He's a good guy. And some people think it's all theatre.
What would you say is that...
Where do you stand on Putin as a pawn in a bigger picture?
Has he got a vote of integrity?
The thing I always say to people is don't listen to the words, look at the actions.
And when you look at what Putin and China have stood for and encouraged, these are the elements of the Great Reset.
They support Agenda 2030, the UN version of the Great Reset.
According to Klaus Schwab, Putin is a graduate of his Young Leaders School.
Yeah, yeah. Economic Forum.
And then you look at outcomes.
You know, it's not It's not what people say, it's what people do, and it's the outcome of what they do.
And so you look at what's happening with Putin now, and the outcome is exactly what I've been talking about for years, which is the fusion, the cementing of this alliance between two massive land masses and population The Russian, the country of Russia and the country of China.
So that's what was planned and that's what is unfolding as a result of what Putin has done.
So I don't think Putin is trying to bring down the new world order at all.
But it's something that is Promoted by some parts of the alternative media, which has, of course, every right to do.
Everyone's got a different opinion, but not for me, not at all.
He is playing his part in bringing about what is happening.
Now, you know, he's supposed to be a friend of Henry Kissinger.
Henry Kissinger is the man who is behind Klaus Schwab.
Look at Klaus Schwab's history.
And it links to Kissinger.
Long, long ago, it was Kissinger that basically, through Suave, with one or two others, created the World Economic Forum.
So, you know, these are all in it together.
It's a chessboard.
And so, no, I don't buy that about Putin at all.
But nor do I look at Putin and say, big bad Putin, he's the problem.
You know, if it wasn't for him, this wouldn't be happening.
That's not true either, because the West has played its part, again, the chessboard, in bringing this about.
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting.
We did report in Hats about these bio labs that they have found in Ukraine.
And actually, there was some bio labs that the Americans were running, CIA, In Georgia, Tbilisi.
There is definitely a lot of nefarious activity going on in Ukraine.
It is obviously a puppet regime propped up by the Pentagon.
But there are these labs, a bit like the Wuhan lab, that's funded by the WHO, Pentagon controlled.
Do you think that there's going to be, with what we've had with COVID, do you think they're planning on more scandemics moving forward?
Well, a fake pandemic is, we've seen, a wonderful way of advancing this agenda for global control.
But, you know, I don't accept that the Pentagon controlled the Wuhan lab, the Chinese Communist Party controlled the Wuhan lab, and the Chinese Communist Party is owned by the cult.
That's the way I define it.
What's happening, actually, is the Pentagon is being systematically undermined on purpose.
You know, if you look at this woke mentality, it's fundamental to what's going on.
If you look at this woke mentality and where it came from and who funded it through the schools and the universities and who funds these woke organizations like BLM and all these other, you know, like climate change organizations.
And transgender organizations.
They are the billionaires and the billionaire corporations of the cult who couldn't care less about any of it.
But they're using that as a means to transform global society.
So this woke mentality Where you're supposed to believe that a bloke, calling himself Leah Thomas, with dangly bits still intact, is a woman so he can compete against women in swimming and go from the 462nd ranked male in America to the far and away top-ranked woman.
That's ridiculous.
That's absurdity.
And part of this psychological operation on the human psyche is to get you to believe in absurdity.
It's like Voltaire said, those that can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities because they have control of your mind by your belief in absurdities.
For them then to get you to commit atrocities.
And so the woke mentality is overwhelming the Pentagon.
It's just madness what's happening.
And at the same time, China has...
programs in place to make sure that male Chinese people are...
Keep the testosterone up, whereas the whole Pentagon is to do the other way.
It's about what we're seeing in every area, and this woke thing is massively part of it, is the weakening of America, the weakening of the West, the weakening of the Western male.
Well, fertility rates have dropped massively, haven't they?
Oh, yeah. Well, this is part of moving from human 1.0 to human 2.0.
As you move to 2.0, you need to phase out 1.0.
And 2.0 is not meant to procreate.
It's meant to be produced technologically.
And therefore, you don't need men and you don't need women.
So they started targeting men and macho men and toxic masculinity, as they call it.
And when they did, I said, they're coming for the women next.
And they're coming for the women.
Because with a non-procreating, not transgender human 2.0, a no-gender human 2.0, which is what the plan is.
They don't need men or women.
They've become surplus to requirements.
Well, this is it, and I think this is where people get a bit confused.
This idea that, oh, there's 50 genders, it's actually about, it's a tiptoe effect for genderless.
Yeah, absolutely right.
Absolutely that. I mean, I've been talking about that for so bloody, writing about that for so long.
The whole transgender explosion, and I've said over the years, if something comes out of nowhere and is suddenly everywhere, it's the agenda.
And this is what, of course, happened with the transgender thing.
It came out of nowhere, and suddenly it's right at the top of the political correct hierarchy of privilege and protection.
And, you know, if you say the mildest thing that's taken offense by the transgender activists, then you can lose your job.
You can be thrown off a television show.
And the people with the power to do that are saying we are an oppressed minority.
I mean, hello? It's ridiculous.
So the idea, because this human 2.0 is being...
It's the young people today, the children today who are going to really be impacted by this.
And so what they're doing with the kids all over the world is they're confusing them in terms of gender.
So putting drag queens into schools and libraries to read stories and do their thing to the youngest children is to confuse them.
I mean, you know, if you want to go along, you know, be a drag queen, good luck to you, mate.
All the best. None of my business.
But it becomes my business when you're being used to...
Psychologically transform little kids and so if you want to confuse the view of gender of little children Then a guy with a beard wearing women's clothes and acting like a woman is a perfect way of confusing.
And so what you've got in this period where all this has gone on, a very concentrated period still, is that more and more young people and children have said they want to change their gender and they're not happy with their gender.
Well, this wasn't happening before.
Of course, there were some and they need to be supported, but it wasn't the numbers you've got now, numbers increasing all the time.
This has been systematically done.
Also, the food, GMO food as well is great.
Oh, yeah. You see, all the chemicals that we've been subjected to in food and drink, et cetera, and all the radiation, too, has impacted on testosterone.
It's impacted on sperm counts.
And therefore, it's affected people.
You can't ignore the fact That fish in chemically polluted rivers, chemicals that are in the environment, change sex.
You can't just ignore that.
This is all part of it, too.
And the idea, if only the transgender activists would Just have a bit of humility and open their eyes.
It's not about them.
I think George Soros and people like that could care less about transgender people, could care less.
You're a vehicle to people like him.
And it's a vehicle not to create a transgender situation, but to create a no-gender situation.
You are just the stepping stone.
To that end.
So all these things connect.
And so you've got China saying, we're not having that.
Well, we're having men being men, if you like.
And you've got countries like America in the West.
We're going the opposite way.
And, you know, toxic masculinity.
Okay, so, you know, if you need protection from some kind of attack, do you want a weak man who's going to run, or do you want someone who's going to stand up and say, hey, I'm not having it?
And China's building up those people on purpose, systematically, while the West is being...
They're being run down on purpose because there's going to be a big takeover, the way things are going, of the West by the East.
That's what the plan is.
The takeover of the East, China, etc., of the West, will bring about this global version of what?
China and the Chinese system of control, which has been incubated since the Mao Revolution.
The other thing that's going on In terms of weakening America, and this all connects too, and it's happening in European countries, but not as obviously, is first of all, the center for production of fentanyl and the ingredients of fentanyl, this opioid drug that's devastated American society, about 100,000 deaths so far, is Wuhan,
China. So this fentanyl is coming out of China.
It's going into Mexico and it's coming across the border into America with the drug cartels and the drug gangs across a border that is now, thanks to Biden, all part of the plan, is wide open.
They just walk across.
And at the same time that these drug gangs are moving in on America with across the border, nothing to stop them.
And these criminal gangs are moving in on America, creating terror in the cities.
You've got George Soros funding the election of district attorneys like George Gascon in Los Angeles, who soon as they take office, they stop prosecuting crime and they start letting people, violent people, out onto the streets before the end of their sentence.
And this is all part of creating a It's an atmosphere, an environment for people to live in of constant fear.
Fear of not letting your kids go out, etc.
This is what's being done on purpose.
It's to create this fear-based existence.
Where people look to authority to protect them from what the authority has actually created to make them fear.
So all these things are happening, but if you break it down, every single one of them leads to the psyche.
Every one of them.
Because if you can control that, you control everything.
When you talk about your books, I mean, I like your books from the early 90s, but it's all about the spiritual aspect and the vibration.
This could all be over if we just raise our consciousness, right?
I mean, that's all we have to do.
We have to go within ourselves and remember that we are only vehicles physically, but we're part of a massive universe of infinite possibilities.
And as soon as people realise that, we can flip the switch on this, can't we?
Well, if you look at the, if you call it consciousness, the state of consciousness that is driving all this, then it's deeply disturbed, deeply psychopathic, deeply inverted, deeply chaotic, and what you could call or what you should call evil.
And evil, in my definition, is the absence of love.
So what you've got is a very distorted, very disturbed, very mentally ill state of consciousness that is driving this cult.
You know, you don't want to impose your will on everyone.
You don't want to make people suffer.
You don't get off on seeing people suffer unless you're anything but deeply, deeply disturbed and in a very, very low level of what we call consciousness.
And what this state of consciousness, which has been given many names in different cultures, in different eras of history, The Christians call it the devil, Satan.
The Gnostics call it Yelda Bayoff and the Archons.
The Native Americans call it Watico, a mind virus.
Whichever one you choose, whichever name you choose, they're talking about the same thing.
And the idea of this, I'll call it Watico, is to draw the consciousness of the target population into the same band of frequency that it's in.
So a few things happen when you do that.
And one of the foundation states of this Wotika, in fact, the foundation state of this Wotika consciousness, for reasons I explain in the books, is fear.
It itself is fear.
It brought fear into the world.
That's where it came from because of this state of consciousness.
So this is why it manipulates fear and wants people in a state of fear and anxiety and depression, these low-frequency, Emotional and mental states.
Because once you fall into them, you enter the realm of Wotiko.
You enter the realm of this consciousness.
Which, at that time, at that point, a vibrational connection is possible.
Whereby Wotiko can basically possess the minds of those in the same frequency band.
And they can...
It can...
Make the population that fall into that frequency band start to act as it does.
So if you look at much of this woke mentality, it has no empathy.
I mean, this Wotiko has no empathy.
It has no compassion. It doesn't have the ability to manifest those emotions.
Those states are being.
That's why it does what it does.
If Wetiko had empathy, it couldn't do what it does.
It couldn't do what it's done to people in the COVID era.
It couldn't use war all the time, constantly, to change society, to advance its agenda.
The basic foundation of compassion and empathy would stop that.
You wouldn't be able to do it. So it has no empathy.
It has no Compassion.
And you look at this woke mentality, which is an expression of Wetiko.
It absolutely is. It has no compassion.
It has no empathy. It has no empathy that it will destroy people's lives who commit the crime of not agreeing with it.
It has no empathy with the consequences of its actions on other people, the actions of silencing people, of getting them thrown out of their job.
For not having the right thoughts and beliefs.
It has no empathy.
Woke is Wetiko.
And you can see people being pulled into it.
Now, the reason that when you go on these freedom marches and freedom rallies, not just in Britain, London, but around the world, And I've been on enormous numbers of them over the last few years, last two years. It's a completely different energy.
It's a completely different psyche.
You don't get that low vibrational energy No, you don't.
You get love, you get unity, you get mutual support, you get laughter, you get joy.
All these things that you don't get when you're locked into Wetiko.
I mean, you look at, you know, what I call Wetiko people, extreme Wetiko people, they're just walking around like there's a dark cloud above their head.
Throughout the COVID era, even many now, they'd be face-napping all the time.
And it's a completely different energy.
And it's because the people are in a different state of awareness, consciousness.
So we are a point of attention, however large we make that point of attention, or however small, in an infinite flow of consciousness.
And human is just a tiny, tiny experience for that expanded state of consciousness.
And if you come into this world, into this reality, into this experience, and you are interacting with this world through the five senses, But you have expanded levels of consciousness connecting you to higher, more expanded levels of awareness, insight, knowledge, love, etc., Then you've got this balance.
You're directly interacting with the world, you're in the world, but you're not of the world completely, or even nearly completely, because you have other levels of perception, other ways of seeing the world.
You can see the panorama, not just the myopia.
And the foundation of this global control, which eco-control, is to disconnect Incarnate humans from that expanded state of awareness.
So that we basically function only through the five senses.
And that feeds us a world where everything's apart from everything else.
Nothing's connected.
It feeds you a world where you are just your labels, just your human labels.
You're nothing more than that.
And it creates a myopic view of the world.
And so what it's telling us all the time, this system, is to self-identify the I with the labels of a human life.
I am a man, woman, this race, that race, this religion, that religion, this income bracket, this sexuality.
And to say that is me.
No, no. That is what the true I, consciousness, is experiencing.
What this... What this control system wants to do is get us to identify, self-identify the I with the labels, with the experiences, and not with the true I, which is consciousness, eternal, infinite, ever-exploring consciousness.
And if you look at the woke mentality again, and I keep coming back to this because it's so, so important.
It's the foundation of so much of what's going on.
They are subdividing the previous labels, human labels, into smaller and smaller labels.
So now you have this list of letters getting longer all the time where people are self-identifying the I with the fine detail of even their own sexual preference, which is ludicrous.
What is the sexual preference?
It's an experience, all right?
It's not you.
It's what you're experiencing.
But you get this More and more fine detail that people feel necessary to self-identify with.
And the more that you make the self-identity more and more myopic, the more you're disconnecting people and focusing their attention.
I mean, it's a simple thing.
If I look at my finger and I just focus on it now, focus on that finger, I can't see anything else now.
Apart from that finger.
Everything else is in peripheral vision.
And it's exactly the same principle.
The more you focus on the minutiae of what you perceive to be your self-identity, the greatness of yourself becomes peripheral vision.
It doesn't influence you anymore.
You're not even aware of it.
Because what I am is that.
And this is the whole foundation of it.
And The plan for the connection of the human brain to AI is simply to go that one step further, whereby you completely disconnect people from their expanded states of awareness because they become...
AI consciousness and no longer what we call human consciousness.
And in the end, it's all down to your state of consciousness.
And this is why it's important because it depends how you see the world.
You know, I've talked earlier about you can see world events at this level and they look a certain way.
And at that level, they are that way.
But you look at it from this level and it takes on a completely different direction.
View of actually what's going on.
And it's the same with your self-identity.
If you self-identify only with the five senses, then you see the world in a certain way.
Everything's random. Everything's apart from everything else.
Nothing connects. It's a world of fear and it's a world of all worry and anxiety and what's coming next and fearing tomorrow.
And then you go to a self-identity that says, I am an infinite aspect of all it is, has been and ever can be.
Having a brief experience called human.
And suddenly the human experience becomes tiny.
It goes into perspective.
And what happens in this little tiny experience takes on a completely different perspective.
So, you will do things and stand up for things when you see the human experience in those terms that you won't if you think the human experience is all that you are and all that there is.
So, from an expanded state of awareness, and I don't say this from a point of view of, you know, elitism, The point is that's our natural state.
This is an unnatural state that we've been put in so we can all be controlled by a bunch of morons.
Absolutely. So...
Because morons can only control you when you're in that state where you're in a smaller box than they're in, which is what it's really all about.
So when you are in this more expanded state of awareness, and that's in perspective, that human life, then you're not going to put everything in terms of your focus Upon staying alive for every last second that you can.
Because if you think this is all there is, then you're trying to extend your life.
And there's nothing wrong with that to a point, but you're trying to extend your life because you fear death, you fear the unknown, so I want to stay alive as long as I can within this body.
And so you give your power to doctors.
Like I said earlier, save me, doctor.
Keep me alive, doctor.
And you also will say, well, what are the consequences for me doing what I know to be right in this situation?
Could the consequences mean that my life will be shortened?
Could the consequences mean that my life will be affected like this or my life will be affected like that?
Oh, well, I'm not doing it then.
Because I know what I should do, but I'm not doing it if those are the consequences.
That's what that myopic, this world only view does to people.
Whereas when you have a more expanded state of self-identity, that's what it is.
That, you know, we are exploring infinite reality infinitely, and this is just a brief experience.
It takes on a completely different Completely different view.
And you start to do what you know to be right without going through a big list of consequences of what might happen if I do what I know to be right.
You just do it. Because to you, at this level of awareness, whatever happens is just an experience.
There'll be another one along tomorrow.
And, you know, we are infinitely...
Exploring infinity.
So what happens here, it takes on a much less sense of importance in terms of what happens to you compared with someone who thinks this is all there is.
And it's that expanded, more expanded state of awareness That's where you find people who will not acquiesce to stupidity, will not acquiesce to tyranny.
And they're always the ones that overturn tyranny because no one else is going to do it.
Well, you've absolutely been a beacon of light for this movement.
It's been an absolute pleasure.
You've been living without fear for a long time, decades now.
And, yeah, it's a real honour to have you on the Hats podcast, David.
Thank you. What you're working on now, by the way, have you got any projects?
Oh, endless. Yes, I'm just coming up to my 70th birthday, actually, on April the 29th.
So I'm going to do a few things relating to that.
I've got a book I've just finished, which is coming out.
It's called The Trap. And it's not just about the trap.
It's about how you get out of the trap.
And what the trap is, it goes into some deep areas that very few people have ever been into.
Wow. The levels of this trap.
Again, you know, it's not something to be frightened of.
It's something to be aware of so we can do what's necessary to get out of it.
And I'm Iconic.
The media platform Iconic is going to start filming a series about my life during the summer.
I'm doing a three or four other series with them as well and so you know we just move on and keep on and we see where it goes but if you keep doing what you know to be right well that's all you can do and what happens happens and the consequences will take care of themselves what's for sure is if you don't do what you know to be right then What you don't like is just going to get worse.
This really is a time when people have got to see what their priorities are.
They might say, well, my priorities are my kids.
Yes, okay. But what kind of world are they going to live in if we let this go on?
So... Bringing an end to this, and we can do that.
We have the numbers, if only we had the psyches.
And that is happening, there's no doubt about it.
You're right. Bringing this to an end has to be the priority of everyone's life who's in any way awake.
Because everything comes from that.
Freedom comes from that.
Your kids' future, your grandkids' future comes from that.
Whether we eat or not comes from that.
Whether we are consumed by war or not comes from that.
It is quite extraordinary when I see people like Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland and I see Mark Drakeford in Wales.
A pair of morons, really, you could oddly make up.
I mean, these are real dense people who shouldn't be in charge of a wealth store.
And because they get manipulated and help to manipulate themselves into these positions of power with fancy titles like first minister, they say this is going to happen.
And the population do it.
That's how it comes about.
How can the population of Scotland be told what to do by we Jimmy Cranky Sturgeon unless the population just acquiesce to what a moron has told them?
How can the population of Wales be told by Drakeford only because they acquiesce to a moron like Drakeford?
How can the people of America be controlled by this senile man, Biden?
Because of acquiescence.
Yes. The only way that a few people can control the many is acquiescence of the many.
And it has to stop.
And that's why they have to work so hard to divide rulers.
So we're fighting among ourselves instead of calling them out and refusing to cooperate.
Because the moment we do in enough numbers, it's over.
You know, I mean, when the...
The protests started at the lockdown in the early days, especially no one came.
And the police moved in and they basically arrested people.
But then by the August, September of 2020, 35 and then 45,000 people were in Trafalgar Square.
And then in the spring of 2021, the multitudes entered the streets of London.
And what could the police do then?
Stand aside and watch.
It's all they could do.
Too many people. The answers are staring us in the face, mate.
They really are. Absolutely.
It's fear.
It's fear of not acquiescing.
That is a major part of this.
And that's when you come into your spiritual power, into your consciousness power, and overcome that.
That's when big change can take place.
Absolutely. Well, David, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on.
We have to do this again. And just wish you luck with the book and everything you're doing for humanity.
Thank you. Stage one, you create a problem.
It could be a manufactured virus.
You want a reaction and you want them to either say, do something, or you want them to accept what the authorities suggest must be done.
So one of the agendas is to massively cull the population.