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Sept. 15, 2025 - Dinesh D'Souza
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IS FREE SPEECH SAFE ANYMORE? Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1169
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Hi everyone, I'm Danielle D'Souza Gill, and I'm going to be hosting the podcast this week while Dinesh is in Israel.
Um, of course, wish I was joining the podcast on in a better environment, but um, in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination, we will be talking about that in depth.
Um, we will be speaking with John Cardillo, former NYPD about security and about some of the uh some of the details um of the killing and the environment there, and we'll be talking about about Charlie.
So if you want to follow me, know more about me on social media, you can find me at Danielle D'Souza Gill.
I'm on X, Facebook, Instagram, Truth Social everywhere, and um we're in for a really interesting show.
So let's get started.
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Deflection is the name of the game on the left, whenever they can't hide the fact that their ideas and their policies cause yet more human suffering.
The assassination of Charlie Kirk is but one prime example, finding themselves in the uncomfortable position of having fomented the hatred that led to the public killing of a man whose only offense was using words to defend his views.
The leftists allocated all power to their deflection shields.
One of the most heinous examples of this is how they seek to blame this brutal murder on conservatives.
Some are actually trying to argue that the shooter is a conservative because he grew up in a Christian household with guns and a father-in-law enforcement.
But that doesn't make any sense.
The argument here is that leftists called for Kirk's assassination as well as openly celebrated it online on TikTok, on Instagram, on social media.
But the actual assassin was somehow also conservative.
No, this doesn't exonerate the left from the role they played in this act.
A child caught with their hand in the cookie jar can come up with a less pathetically self-serving excuse.
Details are still coming out, but it is safe to say from the choice of target, Charlie Kirk, to the shell casings alone and what was written on them.
This manifesto that the shooter left wasn't from a conservative ideology.
It was actually from a clearly leftist ideology.
Let's not even sully ourselves with such meaningless blotter.
But even before the shooter was caught and his motives outlined, the left was already in full-blown panic mode.
All of us remember the tone-deaf words uttered by political commentator Matthew Dowd on NSNBC in response to Charlie Kirk's assassination.
Before the body of a husband and father of two was even called, Dowd went into full-on deflection mode, blaming Kirk for his own assassination because of his divisive and hateful words.
He also suggested that the shooting was a mere accident and perhaps it was just a gun fired in celebration by a random Trump supporter.
Sure, reasonable people can be upset about what Dowd said, but not many people have noticed that he was simply answering the question posed to him by mouthpiece Katie Turr.
She was leading Dowd to that response by asking, talk to me about the environment in which a shooting like this occurs.
She set up the question to focus on the political climate or environment as if that caused it.
That question is just as much part of the scandal as Dowd's response.
We can't for a moment actually believe that Tur was asking Dowd for a rational and unbiased opinion about the nature of current day environments or public discourse.
Such a thing is against all that MSNBC stands for.
Blaming Kirk for his murder is only one of the tactics employed by the left to deflect from the real cause of this tragedy.
Other Democrats, like Ilhan Omar immediately jumped on the issue of banning guns.
J.B. Pritzker decided it was better to blame Trump's rhetoric than Kirk's.
Another deflection tactic employed by the left was the one used by Hassan Piker.
He took to cowering in fear, pretending he was in mortal danger from an enraged American right.
But the most insidious example of deflection are the calls for unity from the left.
The same left that booed the idea of a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk on the House floor.
The same left that took to social media to gleefully dance, cavort, celebrate his cold blooded killing.
Like all other responses, these calls for sober discourse and unity are merely attempts at deflection.
We want to get to the truth.
We know this because that's what history tells us.
Deflecting is a very common tactic.
How long do these same calls last after Trump's first assassination attempt?
A week, days, hours, more like minutes.
And then those same people who engaged in red hot rhetoric went right back to their shtick.
These calls for unity are anything but genuine.
They merely want to lower the temperature and really just not take any responsibility for their role in this taking place.
The left has been openly endorsing and calling for an increase in political violence for about a decade now.
Not a day went by in 2016 where someone on the left didn't intone that Donald Trump or his supporters were racists and fascists.
Obviously, this shooter was clearly labeling Charlie Kirk as a fascist.
He wrote about fascism on one of the um bullets.
And so this accusation of anti-fascist, racist.
They use that accusation so much that the word no longer carries any kind of meaning.
So instead of rethinking the tactic of overplaying their political rhetoric, the left has since leaned in to their new favorite phrase, genocide.
Not allowing children to be sterilized by ghouls is transgenocide.
Actually, no, we are simply saving children from having their body parts mutilated.
Enforcing immigration laws is also genocide.
No, actually, we want to have strong borders so we can protect the people in this country from let's see, drugs, criminals, people simply coming into this country and you don't know who they are.
Fighting terrorists is a genocide.
Oh, we need to now sympathize with terrorists, not agreeing with them, of course, is genocide.
I wouldn't be surprised if some lefty influencer, outraged at a ticket on their car windshelled, complained about parking genocide.
Too much mayo on your sandwich, that's genocide.
To the left, everything that they don't like is going to be labeled as genocide or something so extreme that the more you hear it, the more you're indoctrinated by that kind of language, the more you truly believe it.
And I think unfortunately, that is what has happened to a lot of our young people today who are these radical leftists who are involved in groups like Antifa.
To the left, every election is the establishment of a dictatorship.
Any attempted debate means your very words are acts of deadly violence.
To Them, words are violence.
They literally will say that kind of phrase.
They'll say, words are violence.
Well, when you say things like that, you justify the killing of someone like Charlie Kirk, whose life was only taken because of his words, because of free speech, because he was out there never condoning violence.
And yet, this is the kind of thing that the left has really encouraged.
Every immigration law enforced is in abduction by mass government agents, talking about anti-white hate crime is supporting the KKK.
None of these sentiments are fringe on the left.
These are the kinds of sentiments that are written about all of the time in leftist papers.
These are talked about by a lot of their professors.
Their pundits talk about this kind of stuff on social media.
They're freely openly expressed on the left.
And many people on the right, and even independents cower.
They say, oh, you know, we don't really want to upset liberals.
So we're not going to do this, and we're not going to say that.
Well, even when you only want to engage in free discourse, guess what happens?
They shoot you, which is what happened to Charlie Kirk.
So these ideas that are expressed on the left are really harmful.
They lead to actual killings.
Um they've been shouted by the likes of Tim Walls, Harry Sisson.
But even current and former government employees, like disgraced former FBI head James Comey.
He routinely engaged in cryptic calls to assassinate Trump.
He was very careful about it.
But, you know, he has been called out.
He's feigned ignorance, of course.
Oh, I didn't know what those numbers really meant.
Honestly.
What you find on sites like Reddit, Blue Sky, TikTok are really extreme examples of this rhetoric with open and explicit, just laughing about what happened.
This is happening multiple times a day.
Let's not forget that the constitutional right to free speech does not protect incitement to illegal activity.
It does not protect speech that is likely to cause an assassination like this.
And last I checked, FBI, murder assassinations, those are not legal.
Maybe the reason they won't enforce this law is because they don't see half of this country's population as human beings worthy of protection.
And this is a commonly held view on the left.
It's why they're so upset that Charlie Kirk, like the rest of us, spoke out against Arena Sarukska's murder.
This was one of his last posts.
Charlie was talking about how we need to politicise that killing.
This was the woman who was from Ukraine.
She was sitting on the on the subway and she was brutally murdered.
Um, so it's not hard to see that.
This is the kind of stuff that the left wants to defend.
The left literally wants to defend this kind of senseless, this awful type of murder.
And yet, us on the right see this and we're horrified by it, and rightly so.
This is cold-blooded killing.
Now, obviously, Dinesh, he's he's made films.
He's been incarcerated by the Obama regime, and he's made um, you know, he's used his his words to criticize Obama and obviously had to pay the price for that.
But at what point in this country do we say this is not par for the course?
This is not normal, this is not something people should have to go through.
People shouldn't have to be incarcerated or murdered simply because they are conservative and for voicing their opinions on college campuses or in movies.
So the number of people that I've seen just I've talked to who are conservative who just say, yeah, you know, we all just know you can't wear a MAGA hat in a liberal city.
Obviously, you're gonna get you're gonna get attacked.
You can't, you know, be conservative on a college campus, your car will get keyed.
You can't voice this opinion.
This is horrible.
We can't just accept this as our normal.
We can't accept, accept that.
And we need to speak out against it.
And that's why when we see all of this um support for Charlie Kirk now in the wake of his death, I think we have to realize we need to continue long term to really make sure that this isn't just a moment, but that we actually aren't afraid to be conservatives because ultimately what the left wants to do is silence us.
And this shooter probably wanted to silence us.
He clearly wanted to silence Charlie Kirk.
Um, His hope was probably that he would never hear anything that he deems as fascist, racist, all of this stuff, which of course it isn't.
But we can't just cower to the left.
And so we need to really pray that we can keep this going.
He was arrested in a federal raid on his home for the crime of protesting abortion.
And you didn't hear from his supporters or advocates that much.
You didn't hear, you know, horrible talk from the people supporting him, asking for retribution or going after abortionists or anything like that.
Many on our side are peaceful, they're gathering in prayer.
They're um just really wanting a better America.
And that's why we've seen these, these vigils all around the country, actually all around the world for Charlie Kirk.
And um, yet when we look at the left, we have the George Floyd riots, for example, when something happens that they don't like, they decide to go burn down buildings.
But we don't do things like that.
We don't stoop to that level.
The fact is it's really easy to go through life not wishing death on random strangers whose words and actions may upset you.
This this should be the norm.
And that's something Charlie Kirk did every day.
He talked to students, he went up in the face of people who totally disagreed with him, and he was able to keep his calm, stay calm, cool, and collected and say and say his views.
And that's what America should be like, um, especially if you're a student.
Um if you're a student, if you're in college, you should be able to be conservative or liberal on a college campus and not worry that you're gonna be murdered.
Um the outlier here, the really unusual horrific behavior is actually the behavior of the savage left.
So, no, I do not take their calls seriously for unity.
Um, I doubt they will even last long in calling for unity anyway, because they don't actually want to unite with us ultimately.
Um their goal is really only to indoctrinate us.
And unless you get on board with what they want, there's absolutely no desire for conversation.
Um, if the left had an iota of decency and sincerity, they would not be deflecting.
They would be offering heartfelt words of apology.
The closest I'd seen to this is Bill Maher.
He um recently started talking about how we cannot keep calling Trump Hitler.
And I think that's great.
We should praise him for doing that and praise anyone who's liberal who says, let's stop doing this, we're sorry, because it is awful.
Hitler was an awful person.
We cannot, we cannot keep comparing modern people who America loves, who's helping this country to someone so awful.
So if the left is willing to acknowledge their role in advocating for for violence and murder and creating creating an environment that produced this, then you know what?
We we welcome them apologizing in that way.
And I think that Charlie Kirk would have also welcomed apologies in the sense that if someone was leaving the Democrat Party, he was always happy to welcome them.
If someone disagreed with him on some things but agreed on others, you know, that's okay too.
Um but most leftists have not done this.
And I think when you when you look at posts on X, when you just when you see posts like Stephen King, he came out saying something, something very critical of Charlie Kirk, and then he got so much blowback, so he had to delete it.
Well, that's not the same thing because you actually believe what you've said originally.
You're only deleting it because you're freaked out that some conservatives are now, you know, shaming you, rightly so, and criticizing what you've said.
Um, and then he goes forward to delete the content.
So that's not the action of a man who's apologetic.
That's what they call in legal uh terms mens rea, which is Latin for knowledge of guilt.
So if you know that you kind of did something wrong and walk it back, that's kind of what that is.
Distancing yourself from your own radicalism.
So these people on the left, they know that they're guilty.
They know that they're that they're part of this culture.
Um, so it's here I have to stop for a moment and just say that over the course of the years, um, we have seen a lot of liberals coming over to the conservative side.
And so, firstly, we have to thank those people, those liberals who have become conservative because they've seen the light.
They've decided to follow common sense.
And I think that's also why the people who are still liberal at this point are just so radical.
They're so incredibly radical.
And um there's a huge divide in the country amongst what conservatives and a lot of normal Americans believe, and people worldwide believe celebrating Charlie Kirk versus these very radical leftists.
So we need to really think about how can we, how can we stop the radicalization of these far, far left um students?
And I think it really goes down to the campus.
It goes back to that because we see people grow up in a conservative or Christian home, then they go to college, they get exposed to a lot of this Marxist, horrible ideology.
And sometimes this actually happens in high schools and even elementary schools, and so that's it happens at every level.
But um, I think in college it really is another level, and we need to start waiting out who these organizations are.
Who are these organizations that are uh priming these people?
What groups like Soros are funding this kind of stuff?
We need to really dig deeper.
And so it's really begs the question for a bigger conversation.
So I'm gonna leave it there for now.
We're gonna dive into some further conversation with our guest, John Cardillo in a few moments, and um, we will talk more about the assassination of Charlie.
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I am delighted to welcome our guest today, John Cardillo.
He is a conservative commentator and a former NYPD.
John, thanks for joining us.
Great to see you, Daniel.
Been looking forward to doing this.
Yeah, well, there's a lot to talk about.
I feel like it's just there's so much to cover.
We were initially going to just talk about crime in cities, and then the horrible, horrific murder of Charlie Kirk took place.
And so I feel like I have a lot to ask you about.
But what was kind of just your initial reaction after uh the shooting took place.
Well, you know, at first, it's okay, everybody is in this sense of shock and surprise.
I mean, I know Charlie since about 2015, uh, maybe a little bit before that, and I'll give you a quick anecdote.
I met Charlie before Turning Point was really a thing.
So some of the initial money to found Turning Point came out of South Florida where I live.
I knew one of the initial donors, and I remember this vividly.
We were having cigars, and he said, You've got to meet this guy, this kid, he's young, he's in his early 20s.
Charlie Kirk, he's gonna have something huge, but this guy's so impressive.
Everybody of mine, I took him to in finance, wants to donate.
And I probably was about five, six months from then until I met Charlie, and I said, Man, he was right.
This guy's really impressive.
And what he built was was tremendously impressive.
But what really struck me, Danielle, was the left took out the nicest guy in the room.
Charlie was the guy that would sit there for hours and let them line up behind a microphone and speak.
Now they made themselves look ridiculous.
They made themselves look incredibly foolish and they debunked their own positions.
But think about this.
They went after the one guy who let them speak because they were upset about the way they made themselves look.
And they killed them for it.
And to me, there's nothing more reprehensible and evil.
It's an act of terrorism, plain and simple.
They were using violence to further a political cause, a political message.
And they took a real player for us off the chessboard, somebody that was transformational to the conservative movement.
But I think the left isn't ready for the backlash.
You know, down here in Florida, you saw it the last couple of days, uh, Governor DeSantis, Attorney General Loopmeyer, they're going after every teacher in the Florida public school system who celebrated Charlie's death.
So I think the left now has opened a uh a bottle that you know, they're not going to be able to cork this.
You can't put this genie back in the bottle.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I feel like in so many ways, there are ways this can be used for good.
I'm sure God will use this for good, but also it's still so horrible that it happened because, like you said, he's was so good.
And to see, I think evil versus good in such a stark contrast in our world where we know there's this spiritual battle, we know there's good and evil, but then to see it take place like that is really just kind of so shocking, I think, for so many people.
Um, why do you think so many people were so impacted by it?
Because, you know, you and I were kind of in the conservative movement.
Um, of course, we may know Charlie Kirk personally.
Um, I've spoken at some turning point events, but you know, so many people, even around the world, not even in America, um, are kind of gathering together for Charlie Kirk.
There was recently, I think millions of people in London gathering um for Charlie Kirk.
We've you've gotten messages like from people in other countries.
So, why do you think he's he's had this large impact?
And why do you think so many people are affected um by his death?
You know, I love that question, and I have a great answer for you because this morning uh I'm on a text group with a few guys, and one of them um is a guy who's had a tremendous career in finance, one of the one of the best guys I know.
And uh he's in his 50s, and we were talking about Charlie, and I that that came up, and he said, because for people like me who aren't in in on the inside like you and the people you know, meaning people like me and you and the people we know in media and the movement, he said Charlie's message was so inspirational.
He said, I would watch it, my kids would watch it, my wife would watch it.
He said it was so refreshing.
And I'm on paraphrasing, but his message was especially his faith-based messages to see somebody so unafraid to push the conservative messaging, the faith-based messaging, despite all of the hate from the left, the mainstream media.
So I think he gave people who were afraid to speak up a voice, and he showed them that it's okay.
You can go speak up.
You don't have to be afraid to wear your MAGA hat hat in the restaurant.
You don't have to be afraid to wear your, you know, DeSantis for governor t-shirt anymore when you go out for breakfast or you go on a run.
So guys like Charlie were really the tip of the spear at giving the right, the really giving them back their right to speak freely in public and express themselves freely in public.
I think that's why so many people were so impacted by this.
Yeah.
And in an interesting way, I almost feel like his ideas are now even more amplified because he before was reaching a lot of people and doing these events on college campuses.
But now I've had so many people who maybe never heard of Charlie Kirk, who are now, you know, thinking about all the things he said.
And and maybe some people who knew about him before are now thinking, oh, I actually want to change my life.
Maybe I should go to church, or maybe I should you know, start to think more about some of the some of the ideas he talked about.
So I'm feeling good in the sense that I feel like his message is really gonna resonate long term.
It's definitely not gonna die with Charlie Kirk.
So his wife Erica recently gave a an address, a speech, and she was talking about um Charlie uh being shot, what happened, and then also just about how turning point is going to continue on, how it's going to be stronger than ever, how they're still going to have America Fest.
And um what was kind of your reaction to to her speech?
You know, it was heartbreaking, actually.
I, you know, all I kept thinking about because her her words, we expected that, right?
Uh, you know, for her to talk about Charlie's accomplishments and turning point has to go on and his movement has to go on.
But for me, I just kept thinking, my God, how tragic.
You know, take take the Charlie Kirk brand out of it.
He was a 31-year-old guy with a young wife and two babies.
So that's really all I could think about at that moment because she, you know, she she gave the speech and she's clearly devastated beyond belief.
But at the end of the day, when she's home alone at night with those kids, I don't think she's thinking about turning point.
She misses her husband, they miss their dad.
And for me, that's the most tragic part of this.
His kids probably aren't going to remember him, but through you know, videos and photos.
And that that to me is just heart wrenching, absolutely heart wrenching.
So that was my takeaway from uh Erica's speech.
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, it was absolutely heartbreaking.
I think she was so put together, maybe she's still just processing it all, and it's um, you know, able to hold together because I was I was thinking, wow, that's that's so soon to be able to talk.
And so she must have just had so much composure.
Um, she had flown with um vice president JD Vance, Usha Vance, they flew the body back to Arizona.
Um I thought it was interesting just to see, yeah, he's gotten really just the presidential treatment in all of this.
He's really gonna be treated like someone who was um was like a president.
Some people commented saying Charlie Kirk may have become president, he could have been president.
And so he's kind of getting that that treatment now, of course, horrible that his life was cut short.
Um what have you kind of seen as far as maybe we can get into a little bit as far as the shooter?
Um, especially with your your law enforcement background, um, we're still getting more information, but we we know that his father was instrumental in turning him in.
Um, we know that he was 22 years old.
We know that he was um frequently on on Discord, he was um someone who engraved onto the bullets those statements, um, catch fascist things like that.
Um what's kind of your reaction as someone in law enforcement?
Do you feel like um this is something that's you've seen before?
Is this kind of like a typical profile of someone who would do something like this?
What was your reaction to finding out more about the shooter?
You know, it's a it's a great question, right?
And And there's so many answers, really.
So let's let's just go to grassroots here for a moment.
One of the things I talk about often, I I've had this conversation on uh so many different shows.
I've had this conversation, you know, offline with guys like Dave Rubin, Buck Sexton, and and uh so many others.
And it's that I don't ever expect in this country to see another 9-11 because we've gotten pretty good at interdicting that.
But this, what happened to Charlie, these are the ones that worry me.
The one, the one off Lone Wolf, who radicalizes whether it be into leftism, into radical Islam, whatever the radicalization may be, because what they do doesn't require a lot of planning, Danielle.
You know, okay, yes, he was on Discord message boards, and maybe there should have been a better monitoring of those boards, of these people, these these in this case radical leftists who were discussing violence, but all that stuff really is still First Amendment protected, right?
You can go outside and say, My God, I'm so angry, I want to kill somebody.
And then really the police aren't going to come and lock you up for it.
So at which point do we start saying, okay, this isn't just some lunatic ranting?
This is now a legitimate threat.
And so law enforcement is really going to have to, and I hope this case is really a defining moment for law enforcement where they take a long hard look with their legal bureaus, uh, you know, their legal departments, whatever they're called in that agency, and they start to to set protocols and policies as to where free speech ends.
Now it's a legitimate threat, and it needs to be monitored.
I'm not saying go kick indoors, but at least keep tabs on these people.
And so that's my my first thought.
Uh from what we know, does he fit the profile of somebody who would do this?
Well, now, yeah, in retrospect, right?
Hindsight always be in 2020.
Uh certainly he checked all the boxes of somebody who could radicalize and do this.
You know, that the shot, people saying it was a professional shooter.
I never bought into that.
I put out a couple of posts saying this is somebody who understood firearms, but I'm a shooter.
I collect firearms.
When people hunt out west, you know, they were in Utah, 300 yards is a pretty routine shot.
These are big, you know, vast areas of land when when they shoot game out there.
And so 200 yards from an elevated position with a 30 odd six scoped is a pretty common and and relatively easy shot for anybody who grew up hunting and using firearms.
And so I wasn't convinced of a professional assassin.
I really do think, and I'll get flamed by so many conspiracy theorists on social media, but I do think the official narrative on this guy is the right one.
I've got some friends in the U.S. Marshall Service, and they were actually the entity when his dad brought him to the police station to turn him in or the sheriff's office, I'm not clear which it was.
It was actually the U.S. Marshals, because they handle fugitives who took possession of him and then brought him to the FBI for questioning.
And uh one of my friends in the Marshalls, I was talking to him yesterday, and and he he's pretty convenient, he's one of us politically.
He's not a deep state guy who's you know, toes the line, but he feels that the official narrative right now is is what it is, that that what we're hearing about this guy, his family, I mean, his dad deserves a medal, you know, and and somebody yesterday, I forget who posted it out on X, but they said, I mean, not only did this guy kill Charlie Kirk, but look at what he did to his family.
He made his dad, a 27-year law enforcement veteran turn his son in on a death penalty offense.
I mean, what kind of demon would do that, not only to a 31-year-old husband and dad murdering him in cold blood, but to their own family, making his career law enforcement father turn him in and potentially send him to his death at the hands of the state?
So this is a terrible evil guy.
I fear there are a lot more of them out there.
But yeah, I think in terms of profile, from what we know, he certainly fit it.
Wow.
What what do you think that would be like?
I guess.
Have you ever seen situations like that where the parent comes in and has to turn them in because um thank goodness he he was someone who was willing to do that?
Um, because some crazy parents out there might say, you know, they're gonna justify it, obviously, this is an extreme situation.
But um, but I think the reporting on it at least is getting a little confused by the left because they're trying to make it out like, oh, look, his parents were conservative.
Therefore, he was conservative.
And this was a MAGA on MAGA crime.
But the reality is no, okay, maybe his parents were conservative, but then he went to college.
Then he got involved in all kinds of things online, indoctrination.
And we can see from what was written on the bullets that that was clearly left wing jargon.
And so how do you sort of make sense of the ideological motive?
Well, look, he radicalized.
So you know what your parents are really don't matter.
There's that old saying, you know, if it, if at 20 you're not a liberal, you don't have a heart.
If at 40 you're not conservative, you don't have a brain.
Luckily, we've gotten high school age kids to get smart and have both the heart and the brain and come over to the right, more and more of them.
You know, your generation, you're considerably younger than me.
You know, you grew up in a conservative family with a great role model, uh, you know, in terms of uh ideology and and and intellect.
And uh I think that's rubbed off on a lot of people, fortunately.
But no, what would you your parents' political persuasions have nothing to do with yours?
This guy is a grown man, he's in his early 20s.
He uh, I'm sure got a hint of it in school, and then the message boards he was on, the the sites he was on, who he was engaging with furthered his radicalization.
So I watched that absolute panic from the left over the last couple of days on social media, especially on ex, you know, uh high profile left-wing accounts, Danielle.
This is a Christian conservative.
He was a hunter and a second amendment advocate, and he's a registered Republican.
All lies, by the way, he's a registered independent.
But um, there was no evidence this guy was a devout conservative.
So what do they do?
They go and they dig up some things from his childhood where he talked about attending church with his family and whatnot.
Well, people change quite a bit from from young teenagers to their early 20s.
So, no, I think this guy was a solid leftist.
And I think the left is terrified right now because we've been saying they're violent, they're dangerous.
They put it on display with the BLM riots, the Antifa riots, these pro Hamas demonstrations in cities where terror groups are are being promoted and Jewish students on campuses are being harassed and in many cases assaulted.
So we know the left is violent.
Well, now we know they want to kill us because they shot at President Trump.
They they they killed Charlie Kirk.
So they have nowhere to go.
So of course, their default position is well, he's a white Christian man because his family's conservative and his dad was a cop.
This must be MAGA on MAGA.
This must be right on right violence.
And it's preposterous, and nobody's buying it.
Everybody sees through it.
And fortunately, they're being thoroughly and relentlessly mocked for those idiotic posts.
Right.
What do you think about just the plethora of anti-Charlie Kirk posts out there?
I mean, aside from all the leftists that don't post, but there are so many TikTok compilations, all kinds of things.
And some of these people, they're educators, they're people who are impacting kids, they're people who are healthcare workers, all kinds of things like that.
Um how can there be so many of these people like they're like out there like that?
Because one would like to think, okay, that is a very rare disturbed person.
But this is fairly common on the left.
Yeah, yeah.
So there's like three answers to that question, right?
First, the educators.
Let's take the teachers.
There is no institution in the history of America that has done more harm to American children than the teachers' unions.
Randy Weingarten is one of the most evil human beings alive who cares about her union members will protect pedophiles and keep them employed sitting in cafeterias, so those union dues keep flowing.
So it doesn't surprise me that radical far-left teachers, especially union teachers, were celebrating this.
And I'm like I mentioned earlier, I'm glad here in Florida, our governor and attorney general are purging them from our public school system.
Then you've got the people who couldn't care less about Charlie or politics, but they know it's great rage clickbait and they'll make money if they post these uh these the if they put up these posts in these videos and whatever these cuts are, celebrating Charlie's death.
There's a big cottage industry on the left.
If you go to that insane platform, Blue Sky, I lasted about 47 seconds reading the insanity, the demonic insanity on there, celebrating this murder.
So you got that group that's all about money and and click rage, uh, clickbait rage and and the dollars that ensue.
And then you've got the dangerous radical leftists.
And you can even put the teachers back in there, some of those teachers uh union people, but you've got the lunatics like this guy.
I don't want to say his name.
I have a rule, right?
I don't ever say the names of cold-blooded killers.
I don't want to give them any more attention, but like this murderer, and uh, you know, there are too many of them.
And so those are the groups that we need to monitor.
And I know the civil libertarians watching this, Danielle, are gonna be all over me for it.
But profiling and monitoring are effective law enforcement tools.
And if somebody says, I want to kill this specific person so many times in a group of other people saying the same thing, that is definitely, definitely uh a group that should be monitored, and it does not infringe on the First Amendment whatsoever.
In fact, I think at that point, law enforcement would be irresponsible not doing it in light of recent events.
Yeah.
Yeah, I want to ask you more about security as someone from law enforcement, because there have been a lot of questions about, because you're talking about kind of intelligence, you know, finding these things out ahead of time.
But what about um security in terms of just kind of the event itself, like the physical buildings?
How come we aren't, you know, looking out for rooftop situations, things where you know, someone could could be located.
I understand that makes it very expensive.
These are private citizens.
I mean, if you're, I mean, Charlie Kirk is really big, but a lot of people would say, like, I don't know if I can be a conservative speaker and like pay for private security and all this stuff.
I know he did have security, but um, there's you know different levels.
There's like body man or someone who's near you, kind of in case somebody rushes you versus there's kind of involved detail of an entire building.
And this is, of course, a college campus where I think my understanding is the different roofs of different buildings were connected.
Um, it wasn't like they were just in an auditorium or one space.
So do you think this kind of means they can't do outdoor events?
Does this mean that they need to have security that is able to be very detailed?
Or what's kind of your expertise perspective on that?
That it's an outstanding question.
And I'm really glad you asked, right?
So let's let's take two situations.
Butler, Pennsylvania, President Trump.
That was an abysmal, egregious failure by the Secret Service, right?
There should have been the first thing you do.
This goes back to Teddy Roosevelt when he was shot uh right after the turn of the last century.
The Secret Service then started securing the high ground of buildings.
They understood that needed to be their primary mission.
So Butler was an abysmal security failure.
This was different.
This is a college campus.
This is not a head of state.
This is not a public official.
Yeah, he's a high-profile guy.
But if Tom Cruise came to a campus, there wouldn't be snipers on the roofs, right?
Because you're expecting an unruly crowd, potentially a violent crowd.
Charlie's personal detail did a great job.
You can see these guys, they're fit, they're clearly former military and law enforcement, they're positioned properly.
You can tell by the outlines of their shirt, they're gunned up.
Uh, I saw in one video it looked like they had tourniquets, blowout kits.
So they were really ready for anything that might have come that way, but nobody thought about a sniper.
So that's the principles, security detail and their threat assessment.
Now you've got the political and PR implications of snipers aiming their rifles at a bunch of college kids listening to a free speech debate.
And so that in and of itself, I don't know many schools that would allow it.
You know, Danielle, many states have legislative have baked into legislation that only law enforcement can carry on campuses or others designated.
So Charlie's security would have been given a dispensation to be armed.
But I don't know if many campuses, short of a president, a governor, you know, a high profile mayor, like when Rudy Giuliani was mayor post-9-11, um, and even earlier than that because of the mob threats, he would get that kind of security.
But it doesn't surprise me that Charlie didn't get it.
I don't think we're gonna see conservative speakers get that level of security because it's expensive and because it just presents an optic that many colleges and universities won't want.
I don't agree with it, but that is what it is.
So I've told my friends that the people like the Dave Rubens of the world, like the Carol Markowitz is the uh, you know, the Bucks.
If you're gonna do these speaking events, do them indoors because you can secure an indoor venue very effectively.
It's very, and I hate, let me tell you, Danielle, I hate that because it sounds like surrender, but until we can figure out better means of survey, and maybe it could be as simple as a cheap drone going up.
Every one of these people just hires a drone operator for a few hundred dollars for the day.
They send the drone up just to watch the rooftops.
That might be the answer.
But until we get an answer, indoor venues are a lot easier to secure, much easier to secure.
And when you have limited resources and you're not a law enforcement agency or a public official, it's gonna be very difficult to secure these outdoor venues in in any effective way.
And the larger the venue, the more difficult it is.
So I would say short term, do them indoors, and then uh uh, you know, midterm, let's figure out a solution.
I keep hearing drones from some very uh uh from people I respect, tier one special operators, uh, you know, former Secret Service, former US Marshals who did judicial security.
So I like the drone idea, but we need to figure out a protocol.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I wonder too, how quickly does that information get back?
Because this person goes up there and within 15 minutes or however long it takes them to kind of position themselves and do this, even if they are spotted or that something could be happening.
It's so it's horrible.
But I also think about how the inauguration was moved indoors, how thank goodness there wasn't any casualties from that, but it really is just kind of a reminder that this political time we're living in is in some ways, you know, it's amazing because President Trump had this amazing comeback.
We won the popular vote, all of this.
And so it feels like things are going really well.
We're deporting all these illegals, but then at the same time, it's like, well, we actually still have all these underlying problems in our society because the left has been indoctrinating and bringing up these um these people and really priming them to do things like this, constantly saying uh Trump is Hitler, constantly saying conservatives are these things, which really can justify someone doing something like this in their own minds, in you know, a sick mind.
And so, in some ways, it's like, well, okay, we are winning more people to our side, but the left is going further to the left.
I don't know if I see them backing down in a time like this.
I mean, we've seen comments from from Elhan Omar, we've seen comments from a Jasmine Crockett, basically people sort of saying, like, no, no, no, our words don't really affect um these kinds of actions.
So, in other words, basically saying they're gonna keep up those words.
They're gonna keep up those things.
So, what do you think this kind of says about our culture and our time period right now on politics?
Yeah, well, I'm gonna say something that you know, I've say it all the time, and and it it's made me uh fewer friends in in our legislature.
But I think uh congressional Republican leadership should be ashamed of themselves because we've had people for decades like Maxine Waters calling for overt violence on Republicans on conservatives.
Jasmine Crockett out there entering false, misleading lies into the congressional record every day, and leadership does nothing to shut her down.
Maxine Waters still calling for violence, leadership does nothing to shut her down.
Republican leadership has to stop being afraid of being called racist or oppressive, et cetera.
Because when sitting members of Congress are legitimizing violence against the other side of the political aisle, it's incumbent upon GOP leadership to step in and shut that down with censures with polling committee assignments, what have you?
They won't do it.
They are terrified of that fight.
And until they start pushing back, it's going to be very difficult for everyone else to start pushing back because when elected officials are legitimizing this, it makes it to the lunatic left quasi legal.
Well, hey, Maxine Waters said I could do it.
Jasmine Crockett said I could do it.
AOC said I could do it.
Rashida Taleb, well, she hangs Hamas flags outside of her office.
Why can't I storm a college campus?
And it really upsets me.
Republican leadership sits by and does nothing.
And you know more than most about the inner workings of Congress.
So I don't need to tell you things you already know.
But to me, it needs to start there, Danielle.
They they are dead silent on this.
I mean, Charlie Kirk was murdered in cold blood in front of his wife and children.
Jasmine Crockett is still spewing this nonsense.
Where is Mike Johnson?
Sitting this woman down and telling her enough is enough is enough.
I'll tell you something.
If a Republican had said things that that Maxine Waters did, that Sheila Jackson Lee did, that Crockett did, that Talabe did, and Pelosi was speaker, they would be buried in the basement in some corner office next to a broom closet and get the worst imaginable committee assignments for the rest of their tenure.
And there would be millions spent against them in a primary and in a general, they would put ringers in that election and get rid of them.
We don't fight the same way.
And until we do, the left is going to continue down this path.
Absolutely agree with you.
One thing I will say though, that makes it even harder is on the House floor, the Republicans, I think Mike Johnson calling for a moment of silence.
The Democrats protest.
They don't want to do it.
So another problem is it's not just one true Democrats, let's censure you, let's take your committee assignments.
It's like all of them.
It's basically all of them saying we don't want to even do a moment of silence for a man murdered in cold blood in front of his wife and children in this heinous way.
So we basically just have to beat the Democrats.
I mean, that's really what we can do.
I mean, of course, you want to pick like the worst ones and hopefully they get, you know, they they can get censured or something.
But I feel like I mean, most of them, they don't want to do a moment of silence, they don't want to do a prayer.
They basically just kind of like shrug this stuff off.
I mean, we would all say, wow, like we we would be impacted if even if he wasn't conservative.
It's not about that.
This is a human being, a human life that was taken and killed like this.
And so I think there's this cancer that's like this ideology that's spread amongst Democrats that's literally kind of justifying assassination to the point where it's it's affecting people who are whether you're a Congress Congressperson on the left or you're literally someone online who's making these crazy TikTok videos justifying this.
So that's horrible.
But I do feel like a lot of people in the middle, a lot of normal people are waking up to this and are realizing that this is not normal.
This is not the site you want to be on.
And I've seen countless posts like that.
Do you feel like maybe from your experience in New York?
I mean, do you think there are people who will kind of wake up to to these realities and come over to our side?
I do.
So I moved down to Florida in 2004, 21 years, never looked back, right?
At New York.
But um, you know, I saw all my family's in New York and so many of my friends, and I hear the horror stories.
But you know, the Democrat reaction to uh the speaker calling for a moment of silence for Charlie didn't surprise me because you remember they wouldn't stand up for DJ, a little boy with brain cancer.
I mean, how demonic do you have to be?
There's a child suffering the worst imaginable disease, standing there, and he gets like a moment of happiness in between all these treatments.
So he gets sworn in by the Secret Service and his dad's there, and the people are cheering him, and they sat there.
I mean, what kind of sick, ice-cold, heartless demon are you that you can't put your partisanship aside for 11 seconds and stand up and give this little boy a standing ovation and maybe give him one happy day in a grueling treatment schedule.
So I I saw such backlash from moderates on that.
And I'm seeing more on their refusal to give Charlie a moment of silence and just all their their lunacy.
But I think DJ was really the point where so many moderates said, wait a second, this has nothing to do with politics.
A sick little boy.
A little boy is probably not gonna, you know, see his teen year.
Like how how how horrible of a human you have to be to see him sitting there and sit down and make this kid feel horrible.
So I think that was a defining moment for so many moderates and independents, and this hopefully will push more over.
But look, I think the proof is in the data.
States like Florida, states like Texas, we're seeing a massive influx from states like New York and New Jersey, and they're not coming here to vote blue.
It's not a California to Colorado situation like we saw a couple of decades ago.
I I see them, I belong to a beach club here, and uh uh there have been three couples for New York transplants, all of them, all of them got here a couple of years ago after COVID, a few years ago.
They voted for DeSantis' reelection and Trump for president.
They were lifelong Democrats.
Florida now has a one point nearly 1.4 million voter advantage over Democrats.
In 2018, we were under 400,000 votes.
So there is is definitely a sea change coming in the way moderates are looking at the Democratic Party and migrating over to the GOP.
Yeah, yeah, that's great news.
Um, I want to just ask you a little more law enforcement before I let you go.
So going back to kind of where the shooting take took place, that whole situation, he had the security detail, but it wasn't drones.
Is there anything else that could have really been done in a situation like that?
Like looking back at it now, obviously there's so many things we can all say, but I guess looking at it as someone in law enforcement, did you notice anything that jumped out to you when you looked at any video or when you looked at it?
Because if I look at it, it's it's not gonna have the same reaction because I'm thinking, you know, not with the law enforcement mindset but did you have any initial reaction just to seeing how it all played out yeah you know I I I couldn't really fault local law enforcement so they had a six man detail from the university police or um it was in Oram Utah or on police were not far away it's not a large community uh the FBI field office they were reactive is about 45 minutes away in Salt Lake City.
But Charlie had like I said effective security there'd never been a threat on his life at how many events he's done hundreds if not a couple of thousand campus events and various events at this point.
Nobody ever tried to kill him.
There were unruly crowds so they went and they they they I shouldn't say went but they prepared for the threat that they had encountered and you know uh his security teams were comprised of former special operations guys over the years, former FBI you know other federal agencies.
They understood threat assessment.
They were working with law enforcement getting the threat assessment so my my guess is there never been a threat of a sniper there'd never been a threat of a shooting it was probably you know disorder control is what was really on their mind you know the Hamas protest or storm in the campus or Antifa storming the campus.
I think that's what they were preparing for.
Sadly you know we we look back and and we we learn from these tragic events and right after Kennedy was assassinated presidents weren't allowed to ride in open air vehicles anymore.
So going back to what we discussed earlier, I hope this now uh forces standard operating procedure to secure these events to be uh for there to be a focus on these rooftops and on windows not just the rooftops.
We gotta look at all windows that can be open slid open or open this way they need to be secured as well.
You know when the president uh goes somewhere most people don't know this they see the overt Secret Service presence the ones around him the bubble what they don't know is that there are there's law enforcement from various agencies in every doorway in every hallway of every building the president is going by.
Now you can't do that for one of these events but you can use technology to at least get eyes on a lot more than we have eyes on now.
Yeah I completely understand that and it's just so crazy because he's not like you said he's not president he's not a government official he's just a human being just a person who's a commentator right so um the fact that that is needed for a person to have a debate on college campus is just horrific.
Terrible terrible but John thank you so much for joining us today thank you for your thoughts uh make sure to find him on X and on social media and um appreciate you being with us.
Thanks Daniel this was uh this is great love to do it again take care that wraps up today's show if you enjoyed the show you can find me on social media I am Danielle de Suza Gill on Facebook I'm on Instagram Rumble True Social X all the places I will be back tomorrow and we will be talking more about the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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