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Coming up, uh, Debbie and I here for our Friday roundup, we're going to discuss the legacy of Charlie Kirk, how the savagery of Hamas today resembles the savagery of the Philistines.
By the way, this is a theme in our upcoming film, why blue cities seem to like high crime rates, how test scores in America are dropping rapidly, and how Islamic radicals organize the takeover of suburban towns.
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Debbie and I are here in somewhat somber dress, honey, and appropriately so.
The shock of the political assassination of Charlie has in no way abated.
We uh Debbie has a little um sleep device in which you measure your score, and it's normally kind of amusing.
I ask you, How did you sleep last night?
And you're like, let me check my sleep device.
But your sleep device has been giving you a really bad score because you're you haven't been sleeping that well.
And uh it's because all of this is I mean, it's not only shocking because we know Charlie, we've known him for some years, and uh I introduced you to him, I'll let you talk about that in a in a moment.
But in many ways this strikes pretty close to home and has activated some longstanding concerns you have.
So we'll we'll uh we'll get to that.
But let's start by talking about well, how did we I knew Charlie a little before I introduced you to him.
Uh what year was that that we we both saw Charlie?
I think that that was probably 2017, I want to say.
So the year after we got married.
I think we had only been married about a year.
And we went to, were we at a turning point?
We were not at a turning point event.
We were at a David Horowitz event.
Oh, all right.
Freedom Center.
Yeah.
And we were outside and, you know, chit-chatting with people.
And I see this young, tall, lanky guy walking around.
And you go, oh, that's Charlie Kirk.
Let's go say hi.
And I was like, oh, yeah, sure.
You know, so we go over there.
I had not heard of him.
I don't think he was that well-known then.
His organization was probably just a few years old.
I'm not even sure he had actually started the organization.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, I think he I I think he did, but it but you're right.
It was probably it's it was in his it's infancy, I'm sure.
Yeah.
So anyway, so we go over over there and you you know, you proceed to go, hey Charlie, I want you to meet my wife Dixie.
And I'm like you know, obviously she was your first wife for and you were married many years, and so you still had that that muscle memory, I guess.
And so I said to you a couple days ago, I go, Well, I guess I did do that a few times, and you're like, No, no, you actually did that more than a few times.
I think ultimately you would just roll your eyes.
I wouldn't that's how you that's how that's how I was introduced.
And Charlie kind of Charlie laughed really hard because he knew my name was not Dixie.
Right.
And so I think he was like, uh oh.
Well my most vivid, I would see Charlie off and on.
I'm I was not a I was a friend of Charlie, not a close friend, but we did do a bunch of things together around 2000 Mules.
Oh, yeah.
Not only was he, of course, in the film as part of our Salem team, he was, of course, there in Mar-Lago.
Even before that, you spoke at a lot of turning boy turning point events.
Yeah.
I it was fun for me to go typically to Florida for their big kind of end of the year conference.
And I remember you'd be like, I don't know, Dnesh, because remember his conferences were days away from Christmas.
So it appeared to be like hitting right in the holiday.
Uh and you'd be a little bit uncertain about it.
But I thought, well, you know what?
There's so many young people out there that it's really nice to be able to address them.
And that was what Charlie did, right?
He was the midwife, he was like the broker of that kind of um get together.
And then in mules, of course, he was at Mar-Lago.
Uh you pulled out a really nice picture where he's sitting with our family around the table.
Uh, Eric Metaxis, I think, was also on the table.
And, you know, just looking back, it's it's kind of hard to believe.
Yeah, I I mean, I was in, I'm still in shock.
Yeah, you were balling, to be honest.
And uh, and and I think it's not just the fact it's I mean, look, had he died in a car accident, it would be tragic, right?
It's the way he died, and the and what it says about about our culture, where we are as a country.
I think all of this, the weight of that uh descends on us and descended on you.
Yeah, and I've always I know you yesterday you talked about how you were never afraid to go to college campuses because you know, kids were kids and they would they would argue with you, but that was the end of it.
Well, I recall a time when I went with you, and I didn't like going because as you know, I've always thought those kids were vile, always.
Yeah.
I I think they they they've been indoctrinated by some very evil professors, and and I blame them for what's happening in America.
I blame every one of those vile professors that indoctrinate our kids with these evil, evil things.
You know, the um there's a famous, just to give a little bit of historical perspective, there's a famous statement by Lincoln where um where a prominent Northern Democrat named Um Belandingham was arrested by the Union Um uh Army.
And he said, Why are you arresting me?
I'm merely exercising my free speech.
And Lincoln said, Well, you're encouraging soldiers to desert, right?
Desert the army.
And Lincoln said, and this is Lincoln's line that I'm quoting here.
He said, Do you expect me to shoot the simple soldier boy who deserts while I cannot touch the wily agitator that induced him to desert?
That's right.
So what Lincoln is getting at is what you're saying.
The professors put these young people up to it, and then they retreat into the background and they disappear quietly.
Exactly.
But but they are also responsible.
They are.
And and so when I went with you to Michigan State, and that vile demonic kid comes out of the crowd and starts yelling at you.
Right.
And saying all kinds of nasty things to you.
Well, the F you and get out of my ethnic country.
All those things, the mother hen in me or the mama bear in me, I turn around and I let him have it with words again.
Right.
And I was super embarrassed because that's not who I am.
That's not me.
I I don't do that.
But after that event, I I you remember that every time you would go speak at a college, I would cringe and I would beg for you to talk to you.
Maybe even this morning, you said, you know, oh, if that kid had a knife or a gun, he was so out of control that there's no telling.
So in other words, you're saying that it was already getting really bad.
Yes, it was.
And and I felt it, and you know, not it wasn't just at his that at that university.
It was others that I'd go with you, and I was like, I can't go with you anymore.
you remember that?
I said I cannot do this anymore because these kids are so vile, they're so evil.
I I can't do it.
And I didn't want you to do it anymore.
And I thank God that you're not doing it anymore.
I know I know people want you to speak at college campuses, and you're always getting asked to do it, but please I beg you do not do it.
These kids are demonic and out of control.
Well, the thing about what happened with Charlie is that he had security, right?
But what does security mean?
It's not the same security that, say, Trump has or JD Pance.
They're not gonna go beforehand and scope out all the windows and all the roofs.
What they do is they they're there, they were looking around, particularly right around Charlie to make sure nobody like charges him or draws a weapon.
They are not in a way equipped for someone who is let's just say a professional shot at 200 yards away with a long rifle.
Well, this was this was the weapon was a bolt action rifle.
They are known to be extremely accurate.
Um he really didn't have to be that skilled to be able to use it with the scope and you know the accuracy of it.
Uh he had to be proficient, but not a sniper like I had thought envisioned.
Because you're saying because of the telescopic site or because of the yeah, and and it's just a really it's a it's a hard rifle, it's a you know, very heavy rifle, and and uh and I well it's used really to kill deer and animals and whatnot.
Um, so um, you know, but again, uh back to back to the fear that I have of these college campuses and of what they what they breed, these college campuses.
Um, and we talked about the the the very, very hot topic items that these kids go really bonkers over, and that's abortion, Israel, and trans.
Yeah.
And so I and and Charlie has actually been very vocal about Islam as well, by the way.
He has so I was like, you know, it could be that too, but uh, I don't think that that's the case in this case in this case.
Well, look, here is here's Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut.
I'm gonna quote him.
We're in a war right now to save this country, and so you have to be willing to do whatever is necessary in order to save the country.
Now, on the face of it, you could say he's just calling for political registration, greater but look at the language.
You have to be willing to do whatever and now imagine an individual who is twisted, disturbed, and what is this going to say to that person?
Well, look at look at the the the guy, the Italian guy that killed the uh insurance mangioni.
The healthcare look at what he did thinking he was doing something good for the public good, right?
Right?
Right, indoctrinated, crazy, crazy.
I mean, look, crazy at a certain level, but then let's look at, you know, let's look at John Wilkes Booth, who was a confederate, he had served in the military.
He plotted the assassination of not just Lincoln, but the vice president, uh Stanton, the Secretary of State.
Was he crazy?
Yes, but he also was crazy with a political motive.
He knew exactly what he was doing.
He had a very specific goal.
He thought that the assassination of Lincoln would revive the South, would would create a new front in the civil war.
So those are rational motives.
And what when you talk about these professors, it's not like they are.
I mean, look, I think with the trans people, they take drugs.
Um, so they could be the external influence of medication that is taking confused people and making them even more bonkers uh than they are.
But there's also this ideological element to it which cannot be ignored.
There absolutely is an ideological component.
And it's also very demonic.
Very demonic.
And and so you remember the trans guy uh in Minneapolis at the Catholic school, and he drew a picture of himself looking in the mirror, and who's looking back?
Satan.
A demon.
Yeah.
A demon.
So he recognized that he was entering the realm of the satanic.
Yeah.
And of the demonic.
The left pretends like, oh, none of the he's just making a drawing.
No, he was in a way, and he was ruthlessly, in a way, uh, self-aware in saying things like, I'm not really a woman.
Uh I I he goes, I have long hair, that's the only part of me that's quote, trans.
I'm not he knew I'm not really trans.
I'm just a messed up, sick, demented, angry kid.
Yeah, well, what where we have unfortunately found ourselves in in a situation, honey, we haven't found ourselves.
This whole thing has been fostered.
Yeah, I know.
There's a medical industry behind it, there's an educational propaganda industry, therapists make a very good living off of this, media pundits trumpet it.
So it's been cultivated.
I guess that's what I'm saying.
Let's talk a little bit on a uh on a little different note about what Charlie accomplished in his very short life.
I mean, 31 years, right?
And yet he did a lot.
Right.
This young man did a lot.
And um so um we have to we have to pay tribute to his life, honey.
I think that this is a guy who um he d he wasn't just um an activist.
He brought a generosity of spirit, uh, an openness to ideas.
Um that's why I always marvel when people say, Well, Charlie didn't even go to college.
But you know the weird thing is he was the most he was the guy who loved ideas, he loved exchange and debate, he treated his opponents in a civil manner, and all of that, uh all the admirable qualities that college should be teaching.
Charlie learned not going to college, and all the people, or so many of them who do go to college turn out the exact opposite.
They're automatons, they're ideological robots, they don't respect differences of opinion, and the more elite the college, the worse it is, right?
Yes, yes, yeah.
And um, you know, I'm just I just ache for his family, for his wife, uh Erica and his two babies.
Oh, I know, I know.
Well, I read a little bit of parents, yeah, his parents.
I can't even imagine.
Yeah, I mean, you know that his his daughter, like, where's daddy?
How do you answer that?
Like, there's no answer to that question.
It's so difficult to um to carry that burden, and uh and his wife is very young, and look, there's a gonna be a lot of uh public recognition.
I'm sure there's going to be a uh a big memorial, uh, and all that, but at some level, it's like, what does all that matter?
You know, because what's gonna happen is all that will pass, and then like real life comes right back in at you, and you're like, guess what?
I gotta get through the next month and the next year, and the rest of my life.
And and the babies will grow, they'll grow up.
There Charlie won't be there to see them graduate.
He won't see them get married.
None of that, none of that.
And also, again, coming back to the fact that this was a targeted.
I mean, you and I were talking about how this is not a mass shooting.
This is actually very different than Butler.
In Butler, that guy was happy to spray bullets in the crowd, right?
Uh, this is not the same as a guy going into a Catholic school or Audrey Hale, and where they are out to just, I'm gonna take as many, I want to go out and I'm gonna take as many people with me.
This guy had no intention uh of being caught.
Uh he was actually pretty nimble at getting away from the scene of the crime, and his goal was Charlie and Charlie alone.
Yeah, right?
Yeah, entirely targeted attack.
Mm-hmm.
Um But you know, um, again, I I go back to the professors and the media.
You know, as as we were watching uh, because you wanted to watch CNN uh when it happened.
Right.
You wanted to see what they were gonna say.
Yep.
And they were pretty somber about it.
Jake Tapper, we saw, and um, and uh who was he talking to?
You know, the guy you like you always say is looks really old.
Um, I forget his name, the bald guy.
Oh, Brian Stelter.
Yes, yes, sorry.
Oh wow, but anyway, yeah, they were talking, and and um, and apparently um they were, you know, talking about Charlie's legacy and all of those things, and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
What am I hearing here?
You know, the these people have been egging this on for a decade at least.
The people who poisoned the water are now showing up as a water commissioner.
Oh, you know what?
What's happened?
Um you know, even that is better.
MSNBC went full vile on this.
Yeah, and you know, the other thing too that that I've seen on social media is people saying, see, gun control, gun control.
I'm like, no, lunatic control, hate control.
Yeah, that's good.
The gun control nonsense is absolutely going nowhere in this case because but that is what the left wants it, what that's where they want it to go.
They want it to go there.
Unfortunately, no matter how many guns you control, you cannot control the hatred of these people, the vileness of these people, the evil of these people.
Look at that guy that killed Irina.
He killed her with a knife.
Right.
He didn't kill her with a gun.
No.
You know, so again, these things happen even without a gun.
But um, but they happen because our society is kind of boiling these people to a like a a level that I've got to do.
It's turning up the temperature on them.
They they completely are.
And and then they feel it justified because if you've seen some of the comments that some of these crazy people have made, is is that you know, it was a good thing.
I know I I don't care what side you're on.
You can never say that killing someone for what they thought is a good thing, regardless.
I was on the the Ami Kozak uh podcast um yeah yesterday, and I was saying that the reason this is so difficult to reconcile, to heal, to move beyond, is because it's not just that the left and the right are moving in different directions.
It's not just that we are going to Maine and they want to go to Chicago.
It is that what we think is right, they think is wrong, and what they think is right, we think is wrong.
So there's a moral inversion.
They think that we are the more morally twisted, we think they are morally twisted.
This creates an impasse, right?
Because it's almost like we both agree that it's a battle of good and evil, but they think we're evil.
We think they're evil.
So how do you, when there's no neutral vocabulary to arbitrate this difference, how do you move forward on that?
Well, who got killed?
A follower of Jesus Christ.
Right.
So who's evil?
Right.
The left is trying to even the scales by saying, what about the killing of the two democrats?
But no, the killing of the two democrats was not done by a conservative.
They're con this is a big lie that the left is putting out right now, and it's particularly bad time to do it because we are in no mood to hear it.
And is coming at a time when we know better.
So we're not gonna fall for this kind of nonsense.
Uh that was a Tim Wals appointee.
And in some ways, I admit he was completely bonkers, but to the degree that he had a politics, he was allied with Tim Waltz.
In fact, apparently part of his motivation in his own crazed mind is he wanted to find a way to get Tim Walls to get back into this to get into the Senate to take Amy Klobuchar's seat, if you remember.
Let's talk about um Dennis Prager, because I was touched to see the Dennis, who is another story.
We haven't actually talked about Dennis, and this is maybe a good time to do a little bit about Dennis.
Poor Dennis Prager has this is now a little while ago.
Eight months ago.
Eight months ago.
Had an absolutely horrific accident.
He fell in the shower.
He severely damaged his head and spine, spinal cord.
He has been largely paralyzed.
He has been, he's alive, but he has been in a way confined, bedridden, unable to really move most of his body, uh, and in general struggling to hold on to most importantly, breathe on his own.
They breathe on his own.
Uh, we are close to uh to Dennis and close to Prager U and close to the Dennis Prager show, and so we get updates about Dennis.
But Dennis, in his condition, came out to say that Charlie visited him, came out to say that as a committed Jew, I thank God regularly that a non-Jew, committed Christian, became one of the few great public spokesmen on behalf of Israel, the Jewish communities outside of Israel.
Few Jews could match Charlie's knowledge and eloquent arguments on behalf of those entities.
And he goes on to talk about Charlie's um uh love for the Jewish people.
Charlie apparently was talking about how Christians should pay some respects to Jewish Shabbat.
By the way, all of this is now more close to us than ever because of our connection with uh with Israel.
Uh we are actually leaving tomorrow uh to go to Israel.
We're leaving on Shabbat.
Saturday, we get there, you know, we'll get there Sunday.
And um, but I found it very poignant to see Dennis, who has been silent for months, in a sense has had no voice.
He found his voice to say that, which tells you how strongly he felt about this and how how galvanized he was about it.
So I think it's a measure of tribute to Charlie Kirk that he would that he would do that.
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Is the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians the revival of an ancient conflict for Recorded in the Bible.
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Yeah, let's talk about.
And speaking of, you know, I've had this like, I don't know if it's like a premonition or I don't really know what, but um, you know, a couple weeks ago, um, you you were talking about doing a premiere for for the movie.
Right.
And I just something in my spirit just said, we cannot do a premiere.
I said, you don't understand how vile these people are and how dangerous they are.
Right.
I don't want any of us shot.
I don't want, I don't want to take that risk.
I just didn't think it was worth it.
And, you know, we left it at that, and we're not having a premiere.
But yesterday, you know, one of the people involved said, Debbie, I kept thinking about what you said.
Yeah, you were kind of, I won't say on your own, but you were you were the most passionate in arguing that look, this is a serious security issue because, as coming back, this Palestine, like the trans issue, is one of those issues on which people lose their minds.
Yeah.
Uh, and it so happens that we have a film on this topic, um, and we are are now off to Israel.
Let's talk about one of the themes that are uh that are that is in the film.
What we're trying to do here, and then I talked to Ami about this yesterday, is he said, Look, you know, this debate is so raw, you know, over Israel over Palestine.
And I said, well, we're trying to raise the level of it, and we're trying to raise the level of it by helping people to see differently, uh, not just get bogged down into the normal cliches, you know, um the Jews control America, genocide from the river to the sea, colonialism.
And one of the themes that is raised by Jonathan Kahn, I think it's one of the original twists of the movie, is he argues that the battle between the Jews and the Palestinians is a replay, is a recreation, is uh he calls it a resurrection of an ancient battle or series of battles between the Israelites or the Jews and the Philistines.
The Philistines.
And and Khan, when he makes these analogies, he doesn't just make them in a suggestive way, he goes into it.
Uh, and he says that the similarities wait, first of all, the name, Philistine and the name Palestine are the same.
Um, you you hear it better in the Arabic, where they actually sound identical.
Um, but it's not a matter of just the name, it's also a matter of the tactics, the strategies.
Uh, Khan draws out a beautiful analogy between um what happened to Samson, who represents the the force and the strength of Israel.
He is taken captive.
He is yanked to Gaza.
So Khan says he's the first hostage of Gaza.
And right away, I think the I think the skies open at this point, and you begin to see the events of October 7th, the events in the Middle East, even now, the continuing war in a larger perspective.
Right, right.
Well, I I don't want the Jewish people, um, the Jews to think that we're making an analogy of the Philistines being the same people, descendants, or are the Palestinians being descendants of the Philistines?
Because I think they lose kind of the what we're trying to say here.
Yeah, one or two people have raised that with us, and And I think they it's a legitimate issue.
And of course, Khan does not say that he's not making a genetic argument, right?
So let's talk about the Philistines.
The Philistines were described by historians and archaeologists as the sea peoples.
And what see the Mediterranean?
Mediterranean people.
Yeah.
Where did they come from?
The Bible implies that they come from Crete or Cyprus.
And the Bible is right.
They are an Aegean or European people.
They come from that part of the world, which is Greece, Cyprus.
And what happened is they moved basically toward Canaan, the old Israel.
And they also moved down toward Egypt.
The sea peoples had battles with the pharaohs.
And then they settled in what is called what used to be called Philistia.
And the Bible says that in Philistia there were four cities.
There was Ekron, there was Gap, there was Ashkelon, and the fourth, Gaza.
Gaza, which was the main one.
And so this is the historical precedent that the Palestinians are now exactly where the Philistines were.
They fight like the Philistines.
The Philistines, they said used uh rockets or the really arrows that came out of the sky.
Hamas came out of the sky and gliders on October 7th.
And they also they also shoot rockets out of the sky as well.
And they also shoot rockets.
Which is one of the reasons why why Israel had to respond with the with the iron dome.
I mean, this is the reason that Israel has to have an iron dome, because everybody shoots rockets at them.
I mean, it's just it's crazy.
But the one thing that is the same is the evil one.
Right.
I I think this is the point, and that is that the theme of the film is that there's a world behind the world, and that the primordial battle between God and Satan, which started not just at the beginning of the world, we forget that God and Satan fought in the very beginning, long before the Garden of Eden, long before the fall.
This battle has been raging for all eternity, ever since the original fall.
I mean the fall of the devil, not the fall of man.
And what we're saying is that we're living through events that are a playing out of this struggle, but not only that, of this struggle as it is foretold in the Bible.
This is the hint of biblical prophecy.
We don't do too much of the biblical like entrail reading of what's going to come first and what's going to come next.
It's because we don't know.
We don't know, and we can't know, and we're not supposed to know.
That's right.
But but we are supposed to be alert for certain spiritual and even physical or historical landmarks.
And that's what we point to.
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Let's keep talking about this.
We also wanted to talk a little bit about some of the graphic footage in the film.
You wanted to say something about why.
Well, you and I have been on our film team uh insistent that some of this footage, not even the most gruesome, which you've seen at all, but enough to convey what really happened.
Yeah, I I feel that unless, you know, and and again, uh everybody's everybody's different, you know, your your level of of uh, you know, your level of of like not being able to see something is different with for everybody, right?
Um for me, uh, because I I wanted to go into medicine, I I can see that kind of thing, and it doesn't affect me that way.
Obviously, when I saw the footage that Hamas put out, the live streams that they put out, the videos, the photos, all those things, I I couldn't sleep for for nights.
I mean, I just you know, it was just so horrible, but it was horrible, not in the fact that I was grossed out by it, but because of the evil and depravity of it that really caused my soul to just like you know, stir.
I wanted that same level of of like foreboding foreboding for people to see it because again, I would go on social media and these and and I would see some of these these Palestinian sympathizers, Hamas sympathizers, say that these were lies.
I was like, these were not lies.
I saw it with my own eyes.
I saw what you did to these people.
And not only that, but you saw the video with Arabic uh music and Arabic subtitles put out by Hamas by them.
They were proud of it.
Absolutely.
And they were certainly in a way, Hamas speaks as the Bible says with a forkhead tongue, because in their own communities, they're like, look what we did.
We're the greatest.
We celebrate, and then elsewhere, what?
What?
What do we do?
That's us.
No, no, no.
That's all propaganda and lies.
And it and it what they put out is propaganda and lies.
And and I saw this, and I and that's why when we were doing this movie, and I suggested, because I remember we were we were having breakfast, the four of us, you know, and and I said, Well, we need I have a lot of footage, and we need to put it in there.
They're like, uh no, we can't show that people will walk out.
Yeah.
Now I will say what we have done, which I think is is worked very well, is the footage is shown with restraint, it's tasteful, it gives you enough that it puts you on the scene.
But it's not just it's not like a horror movie, it's not a gross out.
On the contrary, it's like, wow, this is what really happened.
I've never seen it before.
In some ways, I liken it to 2000 mules, right?
People know bad things happened.
We put them at the scene, we go see for yourself.
But this is this is a good thing.
Obviously, the emotional thrust is different.
This is graphic is not.
Not to mention the fact that they do kill a dog.
And and we do show it.
Yeah, but look, I mean, I I I do not sympathize with people who say things like, you know, yeah, I can put up with the brutality against women and children, and uh, but but the dog, please don't please do no.
We do show it because they what it's what happened in some ways, it just symbolizes to me the callousness of it.
The horror of the gratuitousness of it.
The monsters that these people are to do that to an innocent animal and to do it to innocent children, innocent grandmothers, innocent teenagers.
Right, the fact that these people are so vile, and they are Satan's pawns.
They are there is it's a hundred percent.
They're Satan's pawns.
One of the little details that a lot of people don't know is that uh right down there near Gaza, those kibbutzes right over there are very socialist, they're very left wing, they're very anti-Netanyahu for the most part, anti-capitalist, anti-capitalist.
Uh and so that they were formed out of this kind of communitarian socialist ideology when the state of Israel was first created.
Not only that, but the Nova Festival, as you and I got closer to it, we were at the Nova Fairgrounds and we're looking at really the pictures of all the young people who were killed at Nova, they're all bohemians.
You know what I mean?
They're like six, they're hippie-ish.
Uh so again, this is not the right wing.
This is not Netanyahu.
Very much so.
And in some ways, I think this has what has shut down and shut up the Israeli left.
The Israeli left was very anti-Netanyahu.
Uh, very similar to the left over here, by the way, very anti-Trump.
And yet what's going on in Israel is that that left has made peace with Netanyahu.
Think of how unimaginable it is for the left to make peace with Donald Trump.
But that's happened in Israel.
Why?
Because I think the left saw that its own people who would have been the first people to affirm Palestinian rights, call for a two-party state, call for giving land for peace.
Yeah, Those people got slaughtered.
They were butchered and it didn't matter.
It made no difference.
It didn't matter.
And this is what I always said about Islam and radical Islam and the left that aligns with them.
It's like you guys are so dumb.
Do you really think that when it's all said and done, you're going to be okay, spared by these people?
No.
No.
They will they will climb over you to get to power, and then they will do with you the same as they would do with the rest of us.
Well, you know, I saw a video the other day about a queer for Palestine.
Okay.
And this guy comes up to this woman because she's like queers for Palestine, all that stuff.
And he goes, Do you realize?
And this, and he was a he was a trans or a transvestite or whatever.
He goes, he goes, why are you for Palestine?
Well, because he goes, Do you know what Palestinian men would do to us if they saw us right now?
She had no idea.
He goes, Oh, yeah, we're not even allowed in their society.
We would get killed immediately.
So again, the the assumption that these people are somehow going to be spared by these like crazy radicals is is insane.
I mean, it really is.
No, it's true.
Oh, all right.
Let's move on.
We've got a couple more topics we're gonna try to hit um in the time that we have uh we have left.
What do you want to talk about next?
Yeah, so um, well, I I kind of wanted to talk about the our test scores, but I'm gonna skip that for now because I want to talk, continue talking about Muslims.
Yeah.
Um, and of course, yesterday was 9-11, right, which was 24 years ago.
Right.
Uh, that America lost its innocence.
They had no idea what radical Islam meant or was.
Um, and so a lot of people woke up 24 years ago to this.
They did.
And and yet, if we look back, let's do a kind of uh post-mortem.
Um, and I think in some ways it's not wrong to compare 9-11 to October 7th, right?
October 7th was like Israel's 9-11.
And in both cases, we have seen something remarkable.
The perpetrators of those deeds in both cases have largely won the propaganda battle, which it you would never have thought possible, right?
You have these absolutely monstrous barbaric attacks.
No one could say a word in defense of them in the immediate aftermath, and yet over time, think of it, it happened a different way.
In the case of October 7th, it is it is genocide, it is civilians, it is so that's the rhetoric.
In 9-11, it was different.
You remember what it was?
Islamophobia.
Oh, absolutely.
So, in other words, the rhetoric was that you who have been hit on 9-11.
It still is, honey.
It still is 24 years later.
No, that's my point.
24 years later, it's still like, listen, we're gonna bomb you, but you need to be on your guard, not us.
We don't have to tame the monsters on our side who are doing it.
You need to restrain your impulses against Islamophobia.
That's the real enemy here.
Uh, I mean, how you pull this rabbit out of a hat in terms of, but the answer is the reason that they're able to do it, they have a massive media network.
That's right.
It's gigantic funding.
That's right.
Uh, think of all the oil-rich Muslim countries putting money into all this.
Uh, they endow chairs at universities and departments.
A lot of universities are taking money through the back door.
Uh, media institutions are getting paid, the influence of Qatar.
All of this, I think, is something that the general public is not very well aware of, even though there's been pretty good reporting laying out the process by which this money trail uh buys influence.
That's right.
And uh more recently, um, so you've I think everybody by now has heard of Epic City Community in Dallas.
Uh that it's but tell again what it is.
So it's tied to the East Plano Islamic Center, and basically it's a community uh built for Muslims.
Now, apparently there's the there's this like um some of these Muslims are saying, oh no, no, no, no.
It it's not just for Muslims.
I mean, anyone can live in this community, Christians can live here, Jews can be there.
They kind of have to say that, by the way, because of fair housing laws and civil rights laws.
They can't say, however, however, there's a caveat, right?
There would be a 75% tax imposed on them that would go to the Islamic Center or a mosque, right?
So if you live in this community, you have to give your money to Islam.
So you have a guy, and and he is uh you played this for me.
Uh he was I think I don't know if he was on a radio show or some sort of podcast, but he this is what he says.
He says, Listen, in order to conform to the laws, we cannot reserve this for only Muslims.
He goes, but we figured that one out.
This is the part that I think he's very cunning.
And he's he sort of takes a lot of pleasure in saying this is how we keep the non-Muslims out.
We announce that when you make your you pay your dues, the HOA dues or whatever, we allocate three fourths, 75% to the mosque.
Now, obviously, if let's say you're non-Muslim, you're not going to want that to happen.
You're like, wait a minute.
So you're gonna say, uh, I'm not gonna live in that community.
So what happens is even though by default, you achieve an exclusively Muslim community, which was their goal.
Exactly.
So their point was how do we get around how do we get around the civil rights laws?
And by the way, it's very reminiscent in the old South when they wanted to prevent blacks from say voting, right?
They couldn't say blacks can't vote.
So here's what they would say.
We are going to impose a poll tax.
That they couldn't afford.
Right.
So the poll tax is gonna be, let's say, in those days, a dollar.
You're a black guy working for 25 cents an hour.
Do you want to give four hours of your work just to be able to vote?
So most of the blacks would be like, okay, well, I guess we won't vote.
We don't want to pay.
We we can't pay a dollar.
So this was a ruse to get around the fact that they couldn't, the Democrats in the South straightforwardly outlaw blacks from the same thing is going on here.
So let me read this.
This is uh this is the AP.
Um, this was back in May, I believe, but it says the U.S. Department of Justice has closed a federal civil rights investigation into the Muslim-centered planned community around one of the state's largest mosques near Dallas without filing any charges or lawsuits.
The Justice Department that opened up the investigation after uh Senator John Cornyn called for it, arguing that the development could discriminate against Christian and Jews.
So the developers of the proposed epic city community tied to the East Plano Islamic Center, have complained that they are being bullied by multiple federal and state investigations because they are Muslim.
Islamophobia.
That's right.
Once again.
Once again.
Honey, we just have a couple of minutes.
I thought we should close on a little.
This has been a rather heavy uh not just podcast, but last couple of days, and and you've shown it yourself uh today.
Let's close out on a somewhat um lighter note, which is you uh saw in a recent article that our friend, our longtime friend, I've known him actually, uh for I guess over 30 years.
Not only that, but uh we're talking by the way about Ollie North, um, who used to work uh in the White House for Reagan.
I don't know if I ever told you, but you know, if you look at the the work chart of the White House, you have the the president, then you have the national security advisor, and you have the domestic policy advisor who's called the DP DPA.
The domestic policy advisor was my boss, and the national security advisor, John Poindexter was Ollie North's boss.
So Ali North and I were the exact same equivalents in the White House of each other for foreign and domestic.
Foreign and domestic.
And in fact, we were both the generalists.
In other words, there are other people who are specialists in certain types of warfare in domestic policy, people who are specialists in tax policy.
But I was the generalist on the team in Ollie North.
So uh I don't remember when I first met Ollie North.
I didn't meet him when I was in the White House.
It must have been, must have been later.
Uh And you remember the famous Ollie North hearing.
You are very young.
I was young too.
I was young, but I was very much into the podcast.
I watched the whole hearing, the Iran Contra hearing.
I watched it.
I came home and like I was just like fixated on the the whole thing.
And some people, not all, will remember that his secretary was Fawn.
Oh yeah.
A very dedicated and loyal Reaganite.
Yes.
Also very devoted to him.
And we find out now, fast forwarding all these decades.
Right?
And by the way, it's in fairness, we should say uh Ollie North's wife died.
She passed away.
Fawn Hall was married.
She had a husband.
He passed away.
Uh in no way are we implying, in fact, the contrary that there was any hanky panky going on between the two of them.
But they have decided at a very ripe age.
How old is Ollie North now?
Yeah, so apparently he's 81 and she's 65.
And they have decided to tie the knot.
No, I think they already tied the knot.
Okay.
They secretly tied the knot.
They secretly tied the knot.
They met at his wife's funeral.
Or they reconnected at his wife's funeral.
And to that I say, what?
No, you you have a theory, which you always tell me, and I I have to like groan when I hear it.
Your theory is that the members of the male sex are incapable of continuing their life.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
We know more than one case where where we have had a wife pass away.
This we're not even talking about divorce.
But but in in two cases that we know quite well, one of them involving someone, we're not naming anybody, of course.
Um, but in both cases, a very quick, I mean almost alarmingly quick remarriage.
Now that is not the in with in the case of Ollie North, uh the uh I mean they met at the funeral.
They met at the funeral.
But but when was the funeral?
December?
It was December.
Okay.
But I'm just saying that's pretty quick if you ask me.
Pretty quick, pretty quick.
But look, it's it's it's all on the upper nine.
I know.
And uh what did I say if you did that?
Oh yeah, Debbie's like, listen, Debbie's like Dinesh, be on notice.
If you try that kind of thing, I'm going to be haunting you.
Talk about life after death.
Honey, uh, since we both believe in it, I guess I've got to take these haunting.
If I was an atheist, I'd be like, haunt me all you like.
Because it's just in your imagination.
But no.
Oh no, no, no.
I think the haunting is gonna be quite real.
And so message noted.
Thank you.
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