Dinesh D'Souza - REMEMBERING CHARLIE Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1169

Sept. 16, 2025 - Dinesh D'Souza

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REMEMBERING CHARLIE Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep1169

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	Hi everyone, I'm Danielle DeSouza Gill, and I'm so delighted to be hosting Dinesh's podcast.
	He is actually on a trip.
	He is away in Israel right now.
	Um I am his daughter.
	I live in Texas as well.
	And um I've been able to guest host the show in the past, and I always really enjoy when I get to be here.
	So um, yeah, before I did this, I used to host a show called Counterculture Myself, but then my husband ran for Congress.
	I had two babies.
	So I really just only do this when my dad needs me to substitute for him, or I'm a guest on someone else's show.
	Um, but absolutely love um love getting to do it, love getting to be in the political fight.
	You can find me on social media.
	I'm very active there.
	I'm on Facebook, I'm on Instagram, I'm on True Social, I'm on X, I'm on uh Rumble, all the places.
	So you can find me on there.
	I'm at Danielle DeSouze at Gill.
	And um, we have a lot of topics we're gonna talk about today.
	We are gonna talk about the horrific uh assassination of Charlie Kirk.
	We're gonna be talking about just remembering him, remembering his life.
	We will be talking about um some issues with Israel.
	We'll be talking a little bit about the court as well as some things going on here in Texas.
	We're gonna speak with Josh Hammer, he's uh brilliant mind, and we're also gonna speak with Lee Wamscons, a candidate for Texas Senate.
	Thanks for being with us.
	Music by Ben Thede America needs this voice.
	The times are crazy in a time of confusion, division, and lies.
	We need a brave voice of reason, understanding, and truth.
	This is the Dinesh D'Souza podcast.
	I am delighted to welcome our guest today, Josh Hammer.
	He is the host of the Josh Hammer Show and the author of Israel and Civilization.
	Josh, thanks so much for joining us.
	It's my pleasure.
	Thank you, Damiel.
	Yeah, of course.
	Well, I know you all have heard Josh on the show before, but we love having him on because he always has such great insights to share with us.
	Um Josh, maybe we can start by talking a little bit um about this horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk, someone who was such an incredible leader, an incredible person, and someone who we both knew personally.
	Um maybe you can start by just telling us a little bit about um what you remember of him and your personal relationship with him.
	Yeah, Danielle, it's a catastrophic loss.
	It's a loss that will not be replaced easily.
	I mean, this is one of the absolute titans of uh of our movement.
	This is not a foot soldier.
	This uh this is a you know a five-star general, right?
	Of the conservative movement of the of the American right.
	Yeah, look, I mean, there's so much to be said about Charlie.
	I mean, yeah, I think it would be easy to kind of just rattle off all of his various achievements at an extraordinarily young age.
	I mean, founding turning point in high school, turning it into probably the single most powerful organization on the American right in America there.
	But I I think that what's more interesting probably for the viewers is the Charlie Kirk that you don't necessarily see in public.
	And the thing about Charlie, you know, he he knew everyone, right?
	And I uh pretty much to a T. Everyone who knew him says the same thing, which is that he was always just very down to earth.
	He was always very down to earth, very real, very human.
	He never forgot where he came from.
	He never had kind of an oversized ego or anything like that.
	He was always just a very kind person.
	He would treat people very much on their level.
	You know, Even on the even in these college campus interactions, when he was debating leftist students, and that was kind of the whole point of this, right?
	Was he wasn't necessarily trying to get the turning point USA campus leaders.
	I mean, what's the point there?
	We're gonna agree, it's not really fun.
	You want to get you want to get the fireworks.
	You want to disagree.
	That's the whole thing.
	He was sure he was he was trying to model the first amendment, trying to model public discourse, right?
	But if you look carefully, he's not like mocking the leftist arguments, right?
	He's not he's not saying, oh, you're stupid, you know, go back to the dorm room whence you came.
	No.
	He's trying to win over with reason, logic, Socratic method, and always with kind of like a winsome smile and a warrior spirit on on his face.
	And he he he was just he was a fundamentally good human being.
	I mean, I I mean a truly dedicated person of uh of God, someone who who genuinely walk the walk when it comes to being a religious person.
	There are a lot of people, Danielle in this broader space, I think, who talk the talk when it comes to religion and and they like to you know present themselves as Bible thumpers.
	No, no, Charlie was the real deal.
	He he was a genuine, sincere principled Christian.
	I think that's why, you know, I've I've known him for years, but really over the past year and a half, two years, we we became much closer to the point where we were talking virtually every day.
	And I think part of that was you know, my becoming more religious as a Jew, him as a religious Christian, we kind of had just had kind of this this natural affinity towards one another.
	So it's just a it's just a catastrophic loss.
	It is truly, truly horrific.
	It's it's unconscionable, unconscionably awful.
	But Danielle, if there's one thing that I know, it's that Charlie would want us all just to fight on and to not relegate ourselves to the sideline overly long to grieve and tomorrow, and there is a fight to be had, there is a country to be saved, and there's a civilization to be saved.
	Yeah.
	Maybe before we dive into the issues, we can talk a little bit about you recently did a debate with Turning Point and you debated um the Israel issue.
	And so what was that like?
	Just um, you know, you were with Charlie recently.
	I I think I I hadn't seen him, you know, since a little while ago.
	Um I wish I was at the women leadership conference.
	He had said, hey Danielle, can you speak at it?
	And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm having a baby within the same um like week or two time span than it was in Dallas, but unfortunately I wasn't able to make it.
	But um, what was that like?
	Kind of just being with him recently and what were your conversations about Israel?
	Yeah, I I saw him twice recently, actually.
	So uh the last major turning point USA conference that he presided over was, I guess, the student action summit that just happened in July in Tampa.
	Danielle, I didn't actually realize this until my wife said it to me, but I think that Dave Smith and I were the last two people to be on stage with Charlie Kirk at a turning point USA event, which is just um I I I genuinely had not thought about that until my wife said to me, but I think I think it's technically correct, actually, which is um just crazy.
	Um, we spent time with with Charlie with his producer Andrew and others kind of backstage before going on there.
	I mean, Charlie was uh he was literally like munching on a snack, you know, like his feet up on the table.
	He was he was a very like laid-bad guy.
	I mean, like a genuinely, I mean, people he he very much was kind of like an international megastar.
	I mean, he got the J.D. Vance Air Force II treatment.
	I mean, this this vigil, the Kenny Center, they're the decking on the NFL Stadium out in Arizona for for a memorial.
	I mean, he he was a rock star.
	I mean, uh, but he was just a genuinely down-to-earth kind of person as well.
	And then I actually saw him just a few weeks after the student action summit at a at a smaller private turning point USA retreat uh up in the Hamptons, actually, in in New York, which is which was the last time that I saw him in person, I guess.
	I that was when I signed a book copy for him, and he said that he was gonna read it there.
	It was actually, you know, Danielle, we talked very frequently, actually, uh, about the Israel issue.
	There's a lot of misinformation on this.
	A lot of people say that you know, Charlie, I mean, Charlie doesn't blindly carry water for anyone.
	He calls it, he called it like he sees it.
	But I think there were a lot of people saying that, you know, he was going like really wobbly, that he was heading in a particular direction on this issue, and it it's total nonsense.
	You know, he he wrote he wrote a letter to Prime Minister Netanyahu back in May.
	I don't think that was public information until the day after Charlie was assassinated when Primar's Netanyahu went on Fox News and discussed it.
	I actually read that letter privately back in June or July.
	It was an extraordinary letter.
	It was amazing advice.
	Charlie said literally the first line of this letter was that as a Christian, one of my greatest joys in life is advocating for the Jewish date for the Jewish date of Israel.
	And literally less than 24 hours, Danielle, literally less than 24 hours before he was tragically taken from us, at least in this in this realm, we had a Zoom call.
	It was me, one other guy, Charlie, and uh a few of his producers just talking about this issue.
	We kind of had we kind of had like a kind of like a, you know, like a rapid fire of list of issues, like the genocide charge.
	How do how do I respond to that?
	Like the this, this, this.
	How do how and we were we were kind of just giving him advice because he knew that he was going to get bombarded by the anti-Israel, the pro-Palestinian, you know, kafia clad crazies all throughout this campus tour.
	So we literally had that less than 24 hours.
	And then kind of in our little group chat afterwards, he was like, you know, thank you guys so much.
	I feel more confident now.
	So and then the next day happened and uh the rest is history, I guess, as as they say.
	So, you know, yeah.
	We we talked frequently about this, and he was uh he was sincere.
	He was very, very sincere from the heart.
	He was coming from the place of an evangelical Christian who believes firmly in the Hebrew Bible along with the New Testament.
	I mean, he was he was he was very much the real deal on all of these issues.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Yeah, some people are out there saying that, you know, uh information's gonna come out showing the opposite, or he had changed his view and all of this, but it's interesting because I think that you're you're saying the opposite.
	But also it's one thing to say that after someone's died because he's not here to defend himself, or you know, he's not here to say otherwise.
	And so it's kind of like, well, you know, how can you really say that in this point?
	Um, because while he was alive, he was very supportive of Israel.
	And I think even throughout his his history with Turning Point was was very vocal about Israel.
	Um You know, look, I I mean, just real quick.
	I mean, I I I think that he, like a lot of Americans, Danielle, um, was probably getting tired of the duration of this war in Gaza.
	Guess what?
	I'm getting tired of the duration too.
	It's gone on for almost two years now.
	I mean, I want Israel to just win this thing cleanly.
	But, you know, I mean, the notion that he was that he was souring, you know, uh on Israel or souring on the notion of this Jewish Christian alliance.
	I mean, Charlie literally kept his version of the Jewish Sabbath.
	Like he actually turned his phone off from Friday night to Saturday night, like the same time frame as the Jewish.
	Yeah, he he actually has a whole forthcoming book on this.
	I hope that this book is published posthumously.
	It should come out in in in December.
	So I mean, he again, he he was not one to just talk the talk.
	Like he really felt it here in in his heart on these issues, and he really did walk the walk as well.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	What was your reaction to the the vigil and um seeing so many supporters out there for Charlie Kirk?
	You know, look, uh I don't know that I fully appreciated just the c impact, the ubiquity of his impact, really.
	I mean, you know, I I mean I'm a big country music fan.
	So seeing people like Morgan Wallen and Jason Al Dean like mid-concert, you know, send tributes there, send prayers to his widow, Erica Kirk, you know, I I I don't necessarily I didn't necessarily expect that, right?
	Morgan Wall and Jason Aldean there.
	I mean, virtually all of the NFL teams, other than I think four held a moment of silence.
	I I grew up a diehard near Yankees fan.
	The New York Yankees held a moment of silence there on that day when he was assassinated there.
	I did not see that coming there.
	So all sorts of kind of cultural totems like this, to say nothing of all the elected officials.
	I mean, the call all the cabinet officials there at the vigil there.
	I mean, the vice president of the United States, you know, flying out to Utah with with Air Force II to fly from Utah to Arizona, personally holding the casket.
	I mean, my goodness gracious.
	I mean, you know, I look, but if anyone, if anyone deserved it, if anyone deserved that treatment who was not a fallen soldier who was a civilian, a layman, it was Charlie Kirk because Charlie Kirk did more than literally probably anyone in America to get Donald Trump and J.D. Vance back in office.
	I mean, the the effect of turning point action and getting people, especially young people, Gen Z, millennial conservatives, really Gen Z above all, to the polls last November, extraordinary stuff, extraordinary stuff.
	And I I, for one, am genuinely heartened that the president and vice president are paying this level of respects to our to our fallen friend.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that Gen Z really is kind of making this maybe let's say more permanent turn towards conservatism and is going to stay stay strong in that?
	Because I know it was happening before this, And we were seeing a lot of young people, especially men turning towards conservatism.
	But it seems like since Charlie's passing, we've seen even more people be more interested in conservatism, going to church, being just drawn to his work.
	And so are you kind of predicting that that will continue?
	Yeah, look, the Gen Z polling is kind of a mixed bag, depending on the issue.
	They are definitely more church attending demographic than old generations, which is an amazing thing.
	I think Charlie probably single-handedly has a decent amount to do with that, honestly.
	I mean, if you if you look at his past few years there, you know, his message in turning point, when Turning Point was first founded many years ago, it was kind of like a big government sucks, stop socialism, a lot of talk about economic issues, you know, Tea Party era, size of government.
	And to be clear, he cared about those issues.
	But, you know, I think as he as I as he got older, as he got married as he as he became a father, you know, I kind of see this in myself, right?
	I mean, when you get married yellow, you know, you're kind of focused, the the issues that you focus on kind of naturally gravitates.
	And he and he became kind of increasingly focused on this, you know, this notion of trying to get young men to start asking girls out to start trying to go on dates to become a man, to get married, to have children, build a home, to advance in your career there.
	I mean, kind of like, you know, kind of like Jordan Peterson, like make your bed style of basic advice there.
	And, you know, for a generation like Gen Z, which is growing up with, you know, catastrophically low rates of homeownership there and all sorts of other metrics where they're falling behind prior generations.
	I think Charlie's voice was was absolutely indispensable.
	Now, on the other hand, you can look at Gen Z polling that shows that a shockingly high percentage of Gen Z, you know, call themselves socialists, a shockingly high percentage Gen Z supports Hamas over Israel.
	So I mean, the the there definitely are some warning signs here to be clear.
	But overall, you know, I mean, when you look at kind of the straight up or down kind of referendum, which was the 2024 election, last November there, yeah, Gen Z came out pretty powerfully for Donald Trump in a, I mean, it was basically a coin flip, right?
	Kamala versus Trump among Gen Z, which is shocking.
	I mean, absolutely shocking compared to like, you know, I saw uh some of myself who remembers vividly, 2008.
	I was in, I was a sophomore in college during the Barack Obama, you know, hope and change election there.
	You know, I don't think I had a I I I literally think Danielle, I I was like the only person in my fraternity, like maybe one other person voted for John McCain that year in 2008 there.
	I mean, everyone's for Obama.
	Everyone's for Barack Obama there.
	So you compare then to, you know, 2024 where Donald Trump is basically splitting even in that demographic with Kamala.
	I mean, that is a veritable sea change.
	I think Turning Point and Charlie had a lot to do with that.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Um, if we shift to kind of talking about the political landscape, what do you think is gonna happen?
	I know you mentioned at the beginning of the show that he was this big Titan and he was like losing one of our star generals.
	It wasn't just anyone.
	Um, what is gonna happen to, I mean, where does the leadership go, I guess, with with maybe not turning point, but um, I guess that will remain to be seen.
	But um kind of who will maybe fill the shoes of, let's say, someone to lead our youth and talk about a lot of these issues and you know, take out that mantle, I guess.
	Look, I don't know.
	I mean, you know, I mean, I I I think the easiest answer, Danielle, is that it'll probably be a lot of people at once, and we'll kind of, you know, see if one singular person emerges, like the voice for a generation, kind of like Charlie was a voice for a generation or more.
	That person presumably is out there, and we'll see whether he or she kind of, you know, rises to the challenge.
	Look, there are any any number of very powerful voices, certainly, when it comes to to speaking, to to podcasting, to YouTubeing and radio and all the various things that Charlie did.
	There are there are any number of us who are kind of in that game there.
	I'm not sure if I can kind of like think of like one single person.
	Um the impact that he had, the issues he talked about, because those issues we're gonna keep talking about them.
	There's gonna be um no shortage of dialogue there.
	And it seems like um, some people are saying, oh, you know, he wasn't even the most far right of of the rest of us and so on.
	And so do you think that the reaction to all of us is gonna be more conservative, saying, you know, we're even more conservative now because Charlie Kirk, some people say, oh, you know, he kind of appealed to boomers or something, and like he was he was more moderate, maybe than some people who are more trad or something.
	Do you think that there's gonna be people saying, you know, we're just gonna be more conservative now.
	Or do you what do you think?
	Well, I don't think Charlie was a moderate.
	What I do think that Charlie did a very good job of doing was trying to keep the Nick Fuentes crowd very much at bay.
	He was extraordinarily effective at that.
	And I don't, I don't exactly know Danielle, to be honest with you, what's going to happen to that block to that segment in Charlie's absence?
	Because Charlie, I think single-handedly was doing a lot more than anyone else in America to really keep that relegated to the fringe.
	So that's that's one potentially dangerous, insidious thing to have to keep our eyes on because you know Niff Londes is bad.
	I I mean your father debated Nick Fuentes and did a great job.
	And if one is I guess I meant right wing in a positive way.
	I meant maybe more uh Michael Knowles, like positive trad, not uh, you know, French liberal.
	Look, I I I think a lot of young conservatives will be radicalized in a good way by this.
	Okay.
	And they and they and they will commit to double down and triple down like never before.
	You know, Erica Kirk in her extraordinary remarks this past Friday, extraordinary stuff.
	Like truly, truly impressive.
	She basically said that.
	She said that they have no idea what they have unleashed.
	And that's not to say that people are calling for an eye for an eye, God forbid, calling for retribution, uh, you know, uh assassinating uh again, God forbid.
	No, that's not that that's not what anyone is saying there.
	We're talking we're talking here about people genuinely just looking at this and saying, oh my God, like they just took out one one of our leaders there.
	I mean, we this country is on the brink like never before.
	I've got to get in the fight.
	I've got to get involved there.
	I've got to start, you know, calling my congressman or maybe trying to work in politics directly there, or maybe get involved with my local school board, something that I often encourage activists to do, is try to get involved locally, where you're more likely to have actually a bigger impact than in kind of just shouting into the abyss at the national level.
	But whatever it is, whatever your outlet of choice is, I think a lot of people are gonna double down on that there.
	They're probably gonna double down on free speech, which Charlie literally died as a martyr for, literally died as a as a free speech martyr there.
	These values are not going anywhere, Danielle.
	And that's kind of one of the big silver linings as a result of this, is that I think this could have a salutary red pill radicalization effect for an entire generation.
	And it remains to be seen there, but that's one of the things in these very dark moments that I'm kind of holding on to as a sign of hope.
	Yeah.
	What is your uh reaction to maybe maybe your analysis of Trump's reaction?
	I noticed that he he had us um put the flags half masked, he put out some posts on true social, but then was also seen kind of like in a good mood, you know, when he would he would go out and stuff.
	And so I know he's been through so much.
	I mean, he's been shot.
	He's um kind of been through a lot in the past decade.
	So he has really thick skin.
	Um, but what's kind of your your analysis of that?
	Yeah, look, I mean, Trump's the guy who came within millimeters of losing his life, his his ear was gushing blood.
	And instead of just like whisking off stage like a normal human being was, he would always puts his fist in fear and says, fight, fight, fight.
	So I mean, like, you know, Donald Trump's reactions, moments like this are are not always what he necessarily expect them to be.
	I guess is kind of the point that I'm that I'm trying to make here.
	Yeah.
	Look, I mean, Charlie was close with President Trump.
	Charlie did a lot, again, a lot to get President Trump elected.
	I have no doubt that President Trump is extraordinarily grateful for that there.
	I thought that his video remarks the evening uh after the assassination this past Wednesday were were were really good, actually.
	I I I was very I was very pleased with those remarks there.
	It was sincere.
	It would he was saying all the right things there.
	I I thought I thought those remarks were actually a 10 out of 10 there.
	So I mean, like, I mean, am I gonna quibble that he's like smiling?
	No, I I I don't I don't really care.
	Again, this is Trump, you know, Trump does Trump there.
	I I have no doubt that Don that Donald Trump appreciated Charlie Kirk.
	He will attend the funeral in Arizona there.
	And I think Donald Trump is very much among all of us who knew that Charlie was a tight end, that he'll be sorely dearly missed.
	Yeah.
	I hope that we can sort of cement Charlie Kirk into our history as like our JFK figure, because then we can celebrate the values that he talked about.
	Because in so many ways, I feel like his his impact has been larger, honestly, than maybe many people would have expected and even known during his lifetime with people all over the entire globe really mourning his death and some people posting saying, you know, I can't believe how hard it's hit me.
	And that's the only reason why um I was asking about that with Trump, because um, in a way, I feel like a lot of people feel like they've lost like a family member.
	Like they feel very impacted by his death.
	Um in kind of maybe shifting gears a little bit um and just talking about kind of the future of uh Israel issue.
	Um where do you kind of see see that going right now as far as just um Israel as a um really like a pinnacle of the West is something that is really important to to Jews, to Christians, and to just people who who enjoy the fruits of of Western civilization.
	Um do you think that we can hopefully come together and in preserving the fruits of the Western civilization, or do you think that um there's ground ideologically being lost?
	What's kind of your analysis of the current current state of things?
	Yeah, so look, I mean, shameless plow, Danielle.
	I mean, you know, uh this is all covered in my book, Israel and Civilization, the fate of the Jewish nation, the destiny of the West.
	But look, the basic argument that I make, which is not as out the a novel argument, but it's probably time that someone make this argument again, is that Israel really is the canary in the coal mine when it comes to all three of the various forces that are threatening to overturn Western civilization and subjugate us, which are wokeism, Islamism, and global neoliberalism.
	The tiny state of Israel really is the tip of the spear against all of these various threats.
	And look, I think a lot of Americans, as I was saying earlier about Charlie, I think a lot of Americans are understandably war-weary.
	They under they understandably want this war to come to an end.
	But I think it's some it's sometimes worth kind of pausing and thinking, let's remember like who the two sides are here.
	Okay.
	I mean, we have we have Israel versus a literal foreign terrorist organization, like a literal US State Department recognized foreign terrorist organization.
	A lot of people forget Hamas was designated as a foreign terrorist organization during the Clinton administration, 1997.
	It was founded as the as the Palestinian Arab offshoot of the of the global Muslim Brotherhood, which is the mother's milk of Sunni Islamism and jihadism all all throughout the world.
	They're their family charter calls for the death, not merely of all Jews, but of all infidels.
	This this is a horrific, horrific jihadist organization.
	And Israel's gonna keep on fighting until they are so are sufficiently there's they they are sufficiently satisfied that Hamas has actually been eradicated as a political and military force inside Gaza.
	After that, the proverbial or literal next day question, I don't pretend to know.
	I think most likely it'll be probably some sort of moderate Arab consortium, some sort of Saudi Emirati, maybe Egyptian consortium there.
	But I think that when that war ends, and I I have reasons for believing that it actually will end sooner sooner rather than later.
	Maybe that's another another conversation.
	But if that's true, I think that a lot of this kind of anti-Israel sentiment as it is boiling up on certain pockets of the right will probably die down pretty pretty quickly, to be honest with you.
	I think that I actually am pre-optimistic that Israel will go back to being a very popular issue on the American right sooner rather than later.
	I I don't necessarily share that same hope for the American left.
	Uh I I unfortunately I I wish it were still a bipartisan issue as it was for a very long time.
	I I'm not particularly optimistic about that.
	But you know, Danielle, look, there's uh I would just very briefly kind of sum up the battle this way there.
	We we we have a Western civilization, okay.
	And what is Western civilization?
	Well, Western civilization is essentially coterminous with the Bible.
	When we talk about the West, we're talking about the Bible.
	We're talking about the original revelation of God to Moses and the Israelites standing there at Mount Sinai, working its way all throughout the various biblical precepts that undergird our legal system, our day-to-day morality, ethics, et cetera, there.
	If you let the state of Israel go, you're you're literally letting the branch go upon which all of our ethical and moral legal codes sit.
	I mean, uh it is an extraordinarily dangerous proposition.
	So even holding aside like the very like kind of practical real politique point that they're literally killing off our America's enemies for us, which they're doing on essentially a daily basis there, even holding that aside there, there are really kind of important conceptual points there that I think that a lot of conservatives when the thing clearly understand in today's kind of you know, fog of war times, it's not always made as clear.
	But again, I think when the war ends, I think a lot of people who were kind of muddy will kind of come back to seeing this a little more clearly.
	Right.
	And Trump has done such an incredible job on this issue.
	So I really hope it can be resolved under President Trump because he is just the master of Resolving things and he should get the Nobel Peace Prize.
	He's he's really done a great job.
	Um so many world conflicts, I feel like would have looked so different had Trump been in office instead of Biden.
	But putting that aside, um, how do you think kind of the political climate has changed?
	Cause we've we've seen, you know, what it was like under Trump's first term.
	Then we had the Biden dark ages, I guess I'm calling them.
	And then we have now where it's like, wow, this is so amazing.
	You know, we won the popular vote, we were back, all of this, we have three branches of government, but then we see horrible things like this take place.
	And um, you know, you were talking about how half of Gen Z is just uh completely the opposite of the conservative side.
	So do you feel like our future has some troubling times in it?
	Even though we do have more people becoming conservative, we also have these radical leftist lunatic people, and um our country is more divided than it ever was 20 years ago.
	Um what's kind of your prediction of what this all looks like?
	Yeah, look, I uh I'll give you a black pill and a white pill in succession.
	Okay.
	So the black pill is that the the left is genuinely truly insane, and they are genuinely truly insane in a way that they are fostering a political violence assassination culture.
	I basically think that MSNBC these days, or MS now, whatever they're calling it, is basically like assassin assassination fetish, like assassination porn, basically.
	I mean, like if you actually listen to what they're saying to what some elected Democrats are saying, like Senator Chris Murphy uh of of Connecticut who was basically saying for, you know, all options on the table, whatever it takes there.
	You know, they're basically wink winking, nudge nudging.
	You know, a lot of these political violence shooters, by the way, turn out that they're actually hardcore MSNBC viewers.
	So James Hodgkison back in 2017 who shot up the Republican baseball team almost fatally wounding Steve Scalise, he was a he was a Bernie bro, a diehard MSNBC watcher.
	So was Floyd Lee Corkins back in all the way in 2012, the guy who tried to shoot up the family research council.
	He was he was radicalized from watching MSNBC.
	So the left has a genuine incitement to political violence problem there, whether it's taking down the CEO of United Healthcare, whether it's murdering two Israeli embassy staffers from a communist DSA, you know, free Palestine guy from Chicago, obviously whether it's the horrific assassination of our of our friend Charlie Kirk, uh, Donald Trump, the shootings.
	I mean, uh, you know, on and on we go.
	I mean, the attempted assassination of Brett Kavanaugh, the guy who flew from California to Maryland trying to murder, I mean, there's so many examples now.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So it it's really, really bad.
	And if you look at the, if you look at the polls, the percentage of Democrats who say that they could see a justification for murdering Donald Trump is shocking.
	It's literally over 50% based on some things.
	Okay.
	That that is how republics die.
	I literally, that's how republics die there.
	So that's a black pill and it's pretty black.
	Now, the flip side of that is that the white pill is that because they're so freaking crazy there, the meeting American is just saying, get you know, get the hell away from me.
	And I I think that it uh as Democrats is doubled down on the insanity, as they doubled down on people like Zora Mamzani and Jasmine Crockett, you know, as their future kind of paragons of of statesmanship and leadership.
	You know, it's hard not to laugh at that, right?
	But as they double down on that in the future there, as MSNBC and all the usual suspects kind of just double down on the craziness there.
	I mean, saying that Charlie's shooter might have been just a MAGA guy with an accidental gun.
	I mean, when every time they do something stupid like this there, I think the mean American really does repel them there.
	So I continue to actually, I could see him to be very bullish actually about the Republican Party's partisan electoral chances in in the in in the near to midterm there.
	And that ultimately definitely is a pretty reassuring white pill in many ways there, but it's really dangerous, this this left-wing violence problem.
	And the paradox, Danielle, is that there's only so much that you and I and folks like us can do about it, because it is fundamentally a problem of by and for the left.
	And less than until the left and democratic of elected leaders really kind of try to get their own house in order there, there's really not a whole lot that folks like you and I can do, and that's a very frustrating situation.
	Yeah.
	If you think about the the issue, the issue facing us, it's almost like it's good that people have this common sense and they're like, whoa, you Democrats are crazy.
	We don't agree with Jasmine Crockett, we don't agree with El Han Omar, we're going to the right.
	But then at the same time, why does the left keep pushing these people and they keep winning unless there's a group of people that are going to vote for those people and they still have their kind of you know, cohort that's going to be so crazy and insane.
	Um and then I think about places like California that have so many illegals that it's almost like they've kind of just dragged down the whole place, even though so many of those people in California probably do have common sense and want to be on our side.
	And um that's one of my concerns if we don't um really prevent illegals from entering again.
	Because even if we deport them all, what's gonna happen after that in the next, you know, Democrat president, God forbid there is ever one, but when there forest one, that they then open up of the border again.
	What do you think we can do about something like that?
	Well, first of all, if you're a conservative leading in California, just to be blunt, it's probably time to leave.
	Um I was just speaking at a I was just speaking at a conference in Las Vegas this past this past Friday, and there are a lot of people from California there.
	And that was my advice was that the time has come the time has come to abandon the Golden State.
	I'm sorry to say it, but it has.
	It is a wonderful slice of earth.
	It is gorgeous, it is beautiful, but it is precipitously declining.
	And Gavin Usum has overseen the first decline of the number of seats that California has in the census and in the House and in the electoral college.
	And it really is kind of time to flee.
	So I I am generally a big fan, Danielle, of this notion of the great sort of, you know, if you are kind of a a red-blooded American living in a blue state there, okay, you know, maybe you're kind of local politics or fine, you like your county, whatever there, but you have the ability to pick up and leave.
	I am I I having lived myself in blue jurisdictions, I've lived in New York, DC, and Chicago.
	I've also lived in Texas and Florida there.
	I mean, I I am of the opinion that living in a red state is is genuinely better as a matter of your your practical day-to-day lives for pretty much any reason you could think of there, from starting a small business there to to to taxation there to fire them ownership, religious liberty.
	There's so many ways.
	And you know, Texas in Florida, Tennessee, there's there's some examples of states that really kind of I think I think showcase this.
	That would that would be kind of my first advice.
	Like specifically kind of the the issue of illegal aliens, you know, I'm hoping that Donald Trump will find a way to get illegal aliens removed from the census.
	You know, he tried to do that back in the first term, right?
	And the US Supreme Court in a pretty ludicrous opinion, so that he didn't follow the administrative procedure act, he didn't kind of dot all the I's and cross the T's correctly there.
	It was total nonsense.
	And frankly, at the time, I actually said that Donald Trump should basically stick to Millfingers and actually ignore this was the article that wrote at the time there.
	I'm hoping that they've learned some lessons in these six give or take years since then and have found a way to get this executive order done in a way that satisfies you know John Roberts' very delicate sensibilities on the nation's highest court.
	So I, you know, that's a very important thing there.
	And it's ludicrous.
	I mean, it's it's absolutely ludicrous that illegal aliens are counted in the census.
	If you if you look, if you look at the language of section two of the 14th Amendment, it it refers to all persons being counted.
	So maybe, maybe there's an argument that that includes green card holders, legal aliens, but there is zero argument, zero, that it includes illegal aliens who are literally from a legal perspective, actually not persons here because illegally speaking, they're not here actually there.
	They might physically be here, but legally they're not even here.
	So this is just a total total no-brainer.
	I think that Donald Trump probably can pull it off.
	Yeah.
	Because you are such an expert on the Supreme Court, I wanted to ask you about some judge-related things before we go.
	What do you think um will happen?
	Do you kind of foresee us facing further issues with judges as Trump moves along in his term?
	Or do you think that things are basically being resolved?
	How do you think it's gonna go?
	Because um some of these judges kind of just act like rogue judges.
	Yeah, I don't see it getting any better in the short term, unfortunately.
	Um, because basically what happened was you had the Casa case, the birthright citizenship case that they turned into this pretty solid anti-nationwide injunction case.
	There was some kind of lawyerly language there, Amy Cody Barr's pain, but it was overall pretty strong opinion.
	But what many of us said at the time was okay, I mean, there's also class action lawsuits, which has been a it's been a long-growing debate ever since my first year of law school.
	I I remember reading kind of majority opinions versus dissents of Anthony Scalia versus Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
	You know, the conserv the conservatives have long tried to kind of crack down on these extraordinarily expansive class action lawsuits, what the, you know, liberal judges, you know, ever kind of, you know, in hockey to the plaintiff's bar, the trial lawyers.
	They they love these massive class action lawsuits there.
	So, I mean, already we've seen since this Casa case in June.
	We've already seen some of these major class action lawsuits that get certified as pretty ridiculous, dubious classes, and then take the effect of kind of a de facto or a quasi-nationwide injunction.
	So that's kind of what I'm looking at now is, you know, I I I would like there to be a showdown on the class action scope, but really even more profound than kind of fundamentally than that.
	I really think you have to impeach one of these judges.
	Like you genuinely have to impeach your husband to his great credit, I think, was one of the first ones to get out there with Judge Bozemar, sirs.
	Um that has to happen.
	That really absolutely has to happen.
	I'm not saying that you're gonna get a two-thirds conviction in the Senate.
	It's probably not gonna happen, to be honest with you.
	But you gotta get that ball rolling.
	You really have to get that ball rolling there, get that impeachment vote in the U.S. House at least there to send a shot across the bow, some sort of tangible message that if you really do cross these lines, if you betray the public trust to borrow the language of Alexander Hamilton, the Federalist number 65.
	You really kind of betray the public trust there.
	We are going to impeach you and you will pay for your sins.
	That message has to be sent at some point.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Yeah, you have to send the message.
	And um I think the message came across.
	You know, it was funny when um my husband Brandon filed those articles of impeachment, then all of a sudden, um, Chief Justice Roberts decides to start opining on this just completely out of nowhere.
	And I'm like, this isn't really uh typically happen.
	And then um, you know, Trump and Elon were backing this that he was doing, but we don't have the votes in the Senate.
	Daniel, I'll just say briefly here, it is it is to your husband's honor that he managed to aggrieve Chief Justice John Roberts.
	Well, gosh, I mean, we were like, I don't know what's gonna be the consequence of this, but we're doing it anyways.
	And um, so yeah, hopefully, hopefully we can see some some positive effects there.
	But Josh, thanks so much for being with us.
	I really appreciate it.
	My pleasure, thank you.
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	I am delighted to welcome our guest today, Lee Womskon.
	She is one of our dear friends.
	She actually is from North Texas and nearby, right in our backyard.
	Such a sweet friend.
	She is running for Texas State Senate up in Tarrant County.
	It is SD9.
	And we're just going to talk to her a little bit about Texas and about things going on today.
	So Lee, thanks so much for joining us.
	Thank you so much for having me, Danielle.
	I'm so glad to be here.
	Of course.
	Well, maybe we can start by you telling us a little bit about, you know, what do you think are some of the most pressing issues?
	Maybe what are what are the top three issues that you think are pressing to Texans today?
	And um what do you think it is about those things that is just so pressing for our time?
	So I travel this district and it's very vast.
	You know, I live in Terra County.
	It's the largest Red County in the nation.
	And Senate District 9 takes in half of that county.
	So for perspective, the state of Texas has 38 congressional districts and only 31 state Senate districts.
	So my district is larger than a congressional district.
	And it's a very diverse district.
	You know, as you can imagine, there's a million people in it, many, many different cities with their own personalities and their own cultures within their cities.
	But by and large, the same top issue that comes up is property taxes.
	And a very close to that, it used to be number one, but it's still number two, is our Texas border.
	So those are really the top two.
	You know, the state of Texas, we don't have an income tax, which is wonderful.
	It's a great thing, but we have property taxes, and we have citizens being taxed out of their homes.
	And we have to do something about it.
	I absolutely support lowering tax rates.
	I have fought for lower tax rates at every level of government, from city to school to county to state.
	I've also support what's called compression.
	And you know, in Texas, our highest property tax is the ISDs, the independent school districts.
	And compression is where the state lowers the uh school district percentage of the rate that they can charge, but they back in that.
	So the public schools are still funded through the state funds that they do have, you know, millions and millions of tax dollars.
	Conservatives know those are our that's our money to begin with.
	There is no magic, you know, money tree.
	I wish there was, but there's not.
	Right.
	Well, maybe tell us a little bit um as far as the border.
	What are some things that Texas can do to work with President Trump, secure our border?
	I know we have been deporting um illegal aliens.
	We have some of the lowest border crossings, things have improved greatly, but we still have a lot more work to do.
	So, what would be um what you what what what would you kind of be advocating for, Dara?
	Well, I can't overemphasize the appreciation that Texans have for President Trump and Borders Our Homeman.
	Because they have literally just shut it down.
	And it was crazy.
	I mean, in the beginning of the Biden administration, there's over 11 million verified illegal border crossings.
	So I know people talk about numbers a lot in these podcasts, but but for perspective, there are 40 states that don't have a population of 11 million.
	So we i it's insane to to think that.
	And we need to make sure, as Texans, that we are never in that position again.
	Now, our our governor and our state legislature um opened Operation Lone Star.
	And you know, toward the last couple of years of the um of the Biden administration, they made a lot, a lot of head headway.
	And in fact, they seized enough fentanyl that would have had the capacity to kill every man, woman, and child in the United States and Canada and Mexico combined.
	I'm a big supporter of continuing Operation Lone Star.
	Yes, border security is a federal responsibility.
	But Texas can never allow when we get a woke administration that wants open borders, Texas can never allow our citizens to be put in that situation again.
	You know, Tarrant County, the largest red county in the nation.
	Our sheriff, when they when she he was busting a stash house, found women in cages in our red county.
	That is unacceptable to Texans.
	Public safety is one of the highest responsibilities of government, of state government.
	And we can do that.
	We can keep that going in our state.
	I I applaud the governor's uh efforts in creating Operation Lone Star and fortifying it.
	I support law enforcement and I support giving them the tools to keep Texans safe.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And when it comes to things like property taxes, what are some ways that we can bring it down?
	Because I know that recently um there was some work on that, but it seems like there's more that we're to that really needs to be done because it is still incredibly high, and so many people who, especially are older people, they don't have that income to pay that, even though they have saved up, they've paid off their home, they're constantly having having to pay this tax um when they don't have the income to do that.
	So uh what would be kind of uh way that this could be changed?
	So there is actually a big way that they can do something about it in November.
	Now, my election is a special election, it's an open seat.
	Um, and it's unusual because there is no primary.
	And so November 4th, early voting starts October 20th.
	November 4th, there are 17 constitutional amendments on the ballot, and there are two of those that will give us some property tax relief.
	And those come in the form of homestead exemptions.
	So one is for everybody, they just check yes on that, and it it takes our homestead exemptions higher.
	But there's another one on there um that is specifically for senior citizens.
	We need our senior citizens to get out there and vote for that also, because what it means is the one for everybody is about 140,000 uh homestead exemption.
	That means it takes that much value off your property for the school taxes.
	Uh, but the additional one for um senior citizens adds an additional 60,000.
	So that gets them up to 200,000 of homestead exemption.
	I I am completely in supportive of increasing that home exemption even higher because uh, you know, again, like you said, our citizens are getting taxed out of their homes, and that's just not right.
	You know, private property is the cornerstone of our constitutional republic, and that's one of the great things that's different um about America.
	And it's it's when you don't when you when you can't stay in your home because of taxes, then that's not having great private property, you know, rights, and we need to reinstill that through tax relief with our citizens.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And um, I know this isn't one of the major issues you brought up, but what are you hearing on the ground as far as concern?
	I know a lot of people are very concerned about um safety issues that could be illegal and illegals, but also legal immigration.
	Um, a lot of people ask us frequently about the epic city, about um Sharia law, people ask us about um just a change in feeling comfortable in places that they've known for a long time, um, feeling like Texas is changing a lot, um, is that a priority for Texas Senate?
	You know, it really is, and an epic city is just one part of it because even though we have a lot of of great things, you know, looking up at the border, we still have a lot of uh dangerous criminals, cartel and those kind of things, you know, in Texas.
	So uh we are moving forward on those things.
	The things that we have to focus on is equipping our law enforcement, feeling safe.
	And always, in my opinion, it's every person's responsibility to learn how to take care of themselves.
	And that's one of the reasons I'm a huge proponent of the second amendment.
	I have fought for the second amendment for decades.
	In fact, um after a school shooting um when our legislators created this uh traveling gun safety um panel I was I'm the only candidate in this race that testified and explained that shall not be infringed means shall not be infringed.
	Um being having you know you and I have a different um experience when we're walking down a dark alley right than a grown man does.
	Women are some of the it's the largest growing uh market share of new gun purchasers in America.
	And that's because we have to take care of our families.
	We have to be properly trained and to know how to defend ourselves.
	And let's face it, you know every civilization in the history of the world whenever guns were taken away it l it led to tyranny and you know confiscation registration lo leads to confiscation confiscation leads to tyranny and tyranny leads to genocide.
	In America, one of the great things about our country, and I think the Second Amendment is the most important amendment, because without it, all of our other rights can be taken away.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And you're endorsed by President Trump.
	You're endorsed by Dan Patrick.
	You're endorsed by my husband, Brandon Gill.
	Yes.
	Many other amazing people.
	And so congratulations, because I think it's just going to be so exciting to have you there and really just fighting for Texans.
	And I know that Trump believes in you and I know that you will do such great things there.
	So uh Lee great luck with your race and thanks so much for being with us.
	Thanks so much and if someone wants to find me they can find me at Leefortexas.com I welcome any and all the help we can get well that wraps up today's show.
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