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The Trump Plan Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep 655
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Welcome to the Dinesh D'Souza Podcast.
I'm Brandon Gill. I'm Dinesh's son-in-law and I'll be hosting his podcast this week while he takes a little bit of vacation.
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Today we're going to go through President Donald Trump's amazing and concrete plans to fix our immigration system and close the borders, something very few people surprisingly are talking about despite how important these things are.
Then we're going to discuss how the left and big business are colluding to weaponize mass illegal immigration for their own political and financial benefit while the rest of us pay the price.
And later we have Libby Emmons, editor-in-chief of the Post Millennial, joining us to discuss the Trump indictments, the left's weaponization of the federal government, and really the entire political system, and what we can do to stop it.
It's going to be a great show.
We've got a lot going on, so we're glad you're here and let's get started.
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Welcome to the Dinesh D'Souza Podcast.
I'm Brandon Gill.
Last week, Axios reported on President Trump's plan to stop illegal immigration once he becomes president.
The report was fascinating.
It was revolutionary in some ways, and it got almost no media coverage, despite the fact that President Trump is the clear front runner for the Republican nomination.
In the report, the plan, which was described by Stephen Miller, one of President Trump's top domestic advisors during his first administration, a brilliant guy, one of his best hires, he said that there's some clear validity to what they're saying.
The plan itself is more comprehensive, more sophisticated, and more cutting-edge than any immigration policy conceived in America by any candidate ever, at least for the past several decades.
And it proves once again, in my opinion, why President Trump and only President Trump is the guy for 2024.
Stephen Miller describes it this way.
He says, For those passionate about securing our immigration system, the first 100 days of the Trump administration will be pure bliss, followed by another four years of the most hard-hitting action conceivable.
In another instance, he called the plan sublime, saying, At another point, he said, Wow.
So here's the plan.
According to Axios, He'll label them unlawful enemy combatants.
That label will authorize the military to fight them, not just on U.S. territory once the cartels have already invaded, but even south of the border on their own territory before they enter American land.
Trump plans to use both the Navy and the Coast Guard to institute a naval blockade of American waters to prevent drug smuggling boats from arriving on U.S. shores.
He also wants to end birthright citizenship for the children of illegal aliens.
And if you can remember from his last presidency, this was something that was discussed, but it was deemed likely to be challenged in court and unlikely to be held up.
The thought now is that with a more conservative Supreme Court, there's a higher probability that the policy will actually hold up legally, which is a good thing.
President Trump also plans to revive the wildly successful Remain in Mexico policy.
That's the one that simply stipulated that migrants seeking asylum status must remain outside the U.S. until their immigration court date.
It was one of the most common sense and really effective policies of the Trump administration that current President Biden immediately got rid of.
President Trump plans to utilize a provision from the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts passed under President John Adams that would allow him to quickly deport illegal alien gang members, smugglers, and other criminals.
The 1798 law would allow deportations without having to go through the longer legal processes required by ICE. To do this, Trump would declare an invasion at the border and label certain people alien enemies.
To enforce the statute, Trump will reportedly utilize agents from the FBI, the DEA, which is the Drug Enforcement Administration, and even possibly the National Guard.
He also plans to expand border protection by finishing the wall and extending the floating barriers on the Rio Grande between the U.S. and Mexico.
It's a phenomenal plan, and so far this is the most comprehensive and thoughtful proposal we've seen from a Republican candidate.
But what's great about it is that it's not just illegal immigration that President Trump is targeting.
He's also pushing for major reforms to the legal immigration system.
According to the plan, his administration would screen legal immigrants for communism and bar anybody deemed a Marxist from entering the country.
Apparently, under President Trump, all of America, and not just Florida, is where woke will go to die.
What's particularly clever about this portion, and I think really shows how important this is to President Trump, is that this is already part of U.S. immigration law.
It just hasn't been enforced for decades.
In other words, Trump will not even need to pass new legislation to start doing this screening.
Trump will also make sure legal immigrants follow our immigration laws and have the means to support themselves while here.
These are ideas about as common sense as it gets, which is why the Democrats are opposed to them.
According to the plan, Trump will cut immigration from countries whose citizens have a high tendency to overstay their U.S. visas.
And travelers from some of those countries will even be required to post travel bonds in order to visit America.
He also plans to require potential immigrants to show they won't burden American taxpayers by proving they can afford health insurance.
Trump also plans to expand the list of countries who are banned from immigrating to the U.S., what Democrats called the Muslim ban.
And his focus in doing this would be on particularly impoverished nations whose immigrants would be a financial burden to U.S. citizens, which is incredible.
One of the things I particularly love about Trump's plan and something that proves how sophisticated it is, is that a lot of it relies on statutes that already exist.
They just weren't enforced.
In other words, large parts of this are completely independent of Congress.
We don't need them.
Every time Democrats come into office they find ways to push through some of the most egregiously radical and detrimental agendas imaginable and they often do it solely with the executive branch.
For years, our side would complain about federal overreach, which is, in fact, a serious problem.
But now Trump is doing something better.
He's doing exactly what they do.
A large part of the plan, this immigration plan, relies on Section 212F of the U.S. Code, which grants the president broad power to, quote, suspend the entry of any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants if their entry would, quote, be detrimental to the interests of the United States.
And in order to get all of this done, President Trump plans to purge the federal bureaucracies of people who will subvert him.
He's not letting the federal bureaucrat stop his agenda this time.
According to Stephen Miller, agreement on immigration goals would be a quote, non-negotiable priority for several administration positions.
Now, it goes without saying that this is a fantastic plan.
It's more concrete and more thorough and more cutthroat than anything any other presidential candidates are talking about.
It's clear evidence that President Trump understands how important it is to get our anarchic immigration system under control.
Of course, the left is furious.
But even when they try to criticize the plan, they make it sound even better.
Here are a couple examples.
The New Republic has already called it, quote, sickening and an all-out war on illegal immigration that would make his first stint in the White House look tame.
The American Immigration Council's Aaron Reichlin Melnick called the plan, quote, an assembly-lying deportation machine.
Reason Magazine calls them draconian restrictions.
And it's funny because every time the left criticizes Trump's plan, it sounds even better.
And that's because it's absolutely nuclear.
And it's far more likely to hold up in court than other plans.
That's why the left is so terrified about it.
The left knows how serious President Trump is about sealing the border.
And that's important because the border is the key to all of the left's goals.
Open borders may be destroying the country.
They may drive down wages for American workers.
They may tear apart America's cultural fabric.
They may turn previously safe streets into no-go zones.
They may flood our communities with the illegal drugs that kill American citizens.
And they may create the biggest human trafficking hub in the world.
But they also allow Democrats to import a voting bloc they believe will vote Democrat for life.
live.
President Trump intuitively understands this better than any candidate.
That's why illegal immigration was the center of his campaign in 2016.
Why he did everything in his power and his four years in office to seal the border and was quite successful at it, by the way.
And that's why he's focusing on it now with such a great plan.
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The states that border Mexico now aren't the only ones bearing the brunt of Biden's open borders policy.
The immigration influx has become so severe that several cities and states across the country are now effectively border states.
And suddenly the term sanctuary city has real meaning.
Prior to Biden, when cities like Boston or New York declared themselves sanctuary cities, the term didn't mean a whole lot.
That's because prior to Biden, New York, for example, didn't have to deal with massive influx of illegal aliens on their streets.
Sure, it had some, but relative to the population, illegal immigration was just one of many, many of the city's problems.
It didn't really stick out much.
That allowed New York's governing class, its mayors, and city council members to mouth off about the xenophobic conservatives down south who don't want to welcome the migrant refugees flooding across our border peacefully looking for work.
But now with southern states like Texas bussing thousands of illegal aliens to New York and the Biden administration sending illegals all across the country, things are changing.
And New York is particularly hard hit.
Roughly 100,000 illegals have entered New York City alone since last spring.
And these aren't transient tourists spending money.
They're often dead broke people with no significant skills who do not speak our language.
In other words, these are people the average American can't even communicate with.
They're people with no jobs and nowhere to live, nowhere to go.
According to the mayor, the crisis has already cost the city nearly $3.6 billion this fiscal year, and that number is likely to go up.
The illegals are transforming New York in a way the city hasn't seen in a century.
Migrants are sleeping on sidewalks and streets, effectively taking over the city.
A casual observer would think the city looks like the third world and that's because it is, in fact, turning into a third world city.
And it's destroying lives and businesses, which raises an interesting question.
What do New York business owners think about this?
We can give one example of what a business owner in New York thinks and it's actually quite insightful.
Now, of course, the small businesses in New York, the ones usually run by American citizens, often legal immigrants, these are the small shops, restaurants, many of the places that give New York its charm, those people are horrified.
Illegal aliens drive away customers.
They destroy property values.
They bring additional crime and social instability.
That's obvious.
But some of the bigger businesses in New York see things a little bit differently.
Last Friday, Union Square Hospitality Group had to close two of its restaurants that were previously located in an iconic New York City hotel.
The Redbury Hotel was built in 1903 and was originally a women's only hotel, quite a historic place.
In fact, in 2012, the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission designated the hotel a historic landmark.
As recently as last year, it was a four-star hotel.
Usually it costs over $350 a night to stay there.
But now it's been converted into a migrant shelter.
When historic American cultural institutions are erased and desecrated in order to make way for masses of illegal aliens who have no claim on this country or its resources or its people, that's what it means to have your culture ripped out from under you.
And you might think the founder of Union Square Hospitality Group, Danny Meyer, would agree with that sentiment.
That he might have a problem with what's happening.
Those were his restaurants that had to close.
He's going to be taking some kind of financial hit from this mess.
But he says he'll move the restaurants to another location.
Obviously the process is going to be costly for him.
But Danny Meyer is a good, big-business left-wing ideologue.
He's a major Democrat donor, and he supports the alien invasion of this city, even if it means he has to close his restaurants down.
Now, on the face of it, Danny Meyer might seem altruistic.
He supports a social policy he deems humanitarian, despite the fact that it carries a financial burden for him.
But that's not really what's happening here.
Danny Meyer is a major restaurateur.
His net worth is north of $400 million.
He didn't only found Union Square Hospitality Group, he founded Shake Shack as well.
He owns restaurants all over the country, and he's complained a lot recently about a labor shortage, particularly in New York.
And when there's a labor shortage, the only way to keep restaurants open is to pay employees more.
And Danny Meyer doesn't like that.
Paying employees more might cut into Danny Meyer's profit.
So when labor gets tight and wages need to rise, Danny Meyer wants to import more workers.
Because why pay Americans more when Danny and his big business friends can push Joe Biden to flood our communities with illegal aliens who will work for less?
Your wallet may be getting smaller, but Danny Meyer's is getting fatter.
And even though 28th Street, where this previously iconic hotel is located, even though it may be less inhabitable with more homelessness, more crime, more drugs, more instability than it was ever before, that's no matter for Danny Meyer and his friends and the ruling class.
They don't have any ties to 28th Street, and if they did, they can just move.
They don't have to live in the communities whose fundamental character they are transforming.
Their wages are high enough that they can just pack up and leave, and Danny Meyer has other places he can open his restaurants.
Other people's neighborhoods might be turning into slums, but not his.
And it's not just Danny Meyer. This is happening all over the country.
Large businesses want cheap labor, labor they can often exploit, labor that doesn't demand nice working conditions or good benefits or retirements or time off.
They just want cheap labor.
And it doesn't matter where it comes from or what it does to your community or my community or to our country.
So when you see large businesses and wealthy liberals virtue signaling about helping migrants or supporting refugees or gunning for open borders, remember it's not about altruism.
It's ultimately not about helping anybody because on the whole it actually doesn't.
It's about creating a class of cheap, exploitable labor and keeping your wages low to make them more money.
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Welcome back to the Dinesh D'Souza podcast.
I'm Brandon Gill filling in for Dinesh this week while he's taking some vacation.
We've got a special guest with us here now.
This is Libby Emmons.
Libby is the editor-in-chief of the Postmillennial and Human Event.
You can get great breaking news from the Postmillennial and American culture.
And politics and great news and opinion on international relations from human events.
I highly encourage you to read them.
I read The Postmillennial pretty much every day.
So Libby, thanks for joining us.
Thanks so much, Brandon. Libby, I want to start.
I think one of the most interesting things about the post-millennial is how much news you guys actually break on what's going on in the culture in the United States.
You tend to think about big outlets like the New York Times or the Washington Post or the Wall Street Journal as outlets that really should be on the ground covering things like BLM or Antifa riots, but they're nowhere to be seen.
And Postmillennial is only a few years old.
So tell us about what you guys do and how you do it.
Yeah, so our senior editor at Postmillennial is Andy Ngo, who is a world-renowned journalist who covers Antifa, who has covered BLM, and who has made that his...
His primary reporting project for several years now.
And so he is kind of our lead on that.
And we also have a lot of reporters who he has worked with and who really like to go out there and get dirty and get their boots out there on the ground.
Katie Davis Court is out in Seattle.
She actually goes out and covers a lot of stuff.
And in Portland as well.
And she has been covering what's going on in San Francisco.
In Portland recently, she was covering Andy Ngo's trial where he actually filed a civil suit against Antifa militants who had beat him up essentially and who had threatened his life.
That was a really fascinating case.
We were the only outlet that was in the courtroom every single day doing that.
We also have a reporter in Canada, very intrepid young woman, Beth Bache, who goes out there and she's always like, I got to go to Ottawa and cover this.
I got to go out in Toronto and cover this.
And she goes out and covers what she sees.
She did a great job this weekend covering Ottawa Pride because of course Pride is no longer just for June.
It's for the whole year.
She went out there and covered, she got footage of a dildo ring toss for kids, a pin the clit on the vulva, and some other things that most of us would not typically say on a podcast, yet there it was, four kids, backed by Justin Trudeau.
The leader of Canada.
I like to go out myself when I'm at events.
I like to go cover stuff.
I had a great time last year at the New York Young Republicans Club with a bunch of people screaming at me outside.
And it turns out I learned that...
I enjoy getting in these people's faces.
So, yeah, we've had a lot of great reporters go out and cover stuff.
And we, yeah, we just like getting our hands dirty.
Oh, and Ari Hoffman.
I cannot forget Ari Hoffman, who is also in Seattle and who broke the Autonomous Zone Chaz story.
That was out there. I forget which one was the original, but he went out there and got the first interview with the warlord of the Seattle Autonomous Zone back in 2020.
So yeah, I mean, it's mostly a bunch of dedicated reporters.
And what's interesting, I think, too, is that the coverage that we get is based on their passion.
So I don't assign these guys.
I don't assign Katie or Ari or Beth.
To go cover things on the ground, they say to me, hey, can I go cover this?
Can I get someone to cover my days this week because I want to go out and make sure that I get this?
Katie was assigned to the Portland Courthouse, but we don't assign people to go cover riots.
They're just like, I gotta go do this!
So it's an awful lot of testament to their drive.
Right, and why do you think bigger outlets aren't there?
Take BLM, for example.
I mean, these are some of the biggest, most consequential stories we've seen in U.S. politics in years, and bigger outlets were not on the ground.
They weren't getting the same kind of coverage that you guys were.
Why do you think that is?
I think that, to a certain extent, BLM and Antifa, and this is something that Jack Posobiec has said as well, and Andy Ngo, and Jack, of course, He's at Human Events and he has gone out and covered Antifa before as well.
Really excellent work.
Anyway, they both say that BLM and Antifa, that these guys are the shock troops for the Democratic left.
So why would the New York Times go cover the violence being perpetrated in the name of the ideology that they support?
Why would they do that? They don't want to do that.
The Washington Post doesn't want to do that.
Instead, they plaster their pages With footage of January 6th of grandmas getting arrested.
There were journalists out that day who have faced charges as well because they were independent civilian journalists, citizen journalists, as James O'Keefe would say.
Who were out there doing the work.
And you see that repeatedly in the Washington Post and the New York Times.
That was one day. That was a one-day riot.
Say what you will about it.
The Department of Justice has arrested a thousand people.
They promised to arrest another thousand, I believe.
The sentences have been meted out by, in fact, the same judge that is working on Trump's case in D.C. She has meted out sentences that are even longer than the Department of Justice has recommended.
That was one day.
January 6th was one day in 2021.
Whatever your opinion is on it.
It began on January 6, 2021, and it ended on that day.
The riots of BLM and Antifa started, I believe, the Wednesday after George Floyd was killed.
So if that was May 25, 2020, they started May 27.
I remember distinctly by Friday of that week, people were out in New York every single night, which is where I was living, which is my home.
So yeah, and that lasted a full summer.
And it was almost as though the promise was of that election season, if you recall, it was almost as though the promise was, elect Joe Biden and the riots will stop.
And of course, that is what happened.
We also had sort of a jubilee for a moment where there were less COVID restrictions after Joe Biden was elected until they cracked down again, then used January 6th to continue to obstruct our rights and freedoms.
But yeah, the New York Times has no interest in covering that.
The Washington Post has no interest in covering that.
These are all their voters, right?
These are all the Democrat voters who went out there and caused intense mayhem.
I think it was billions of dollars in insurance damage.
I think also 30 people were killed in They continuously talk about the deadly riot of January 6th when one woman was shot by police on that day.
Another woman died under circumstances that I don't know what the full story is.
And an officer died the next day.
That was reportedly a cardiac situation.
Yeah, the deadly riot of January 6th versus the 30 people killed over the entire summer.
And in Portland, it was over 100 days of straight rioting every single night.
Right, right. And I think you make a good point, which is that the left will coalesce behind whatever is the primary focus of their movement at the time, and they will defend it with everything they have.
So they know that BLM and Antifa, that is their on-the-ground militia.
So the New York Times, the Washington Post will not cover it.
So Postmillennial has to.
But they also defend these people with everything they have.
There's a case that you guys reported in the Postmillennial recently where a BLM rioter in LA was given almost a $4 million gift from the court after attending one of the riots.
I think he was shot by a rubber bullet.
You guys see this kind of firsthand.
Tell us a little bit about how the left will reward some of their allies.
Oh, for sure. Yeah, this was a guy who was out there protesting.
It's almost $4 million that he got rewarded.
And if you recall, what I find so interesting about that case and what prompted me to cover it, although I think Andy suggested we cover it, what I found the most interesting was if you remember that summer Of 2020, there was a lot of talk about police violence, defund the police, install social workers instead of police, cut police funding.
That was in Minneapolis.
That has been a problem.
It was in Chicago. It was in New York.
was all over the place, these calls to defund police.
And some of these places actually did it.
And they were successful in pulling budgets back from police officers.
The movement of defund the police itself was very successful in that it lowered morale of police officers to such an extent that many, many of them retired and combined that with the officers that left rather than be mandated to take COVID vaccines, as well as the incredibly low recruitment numbers, which goes back to no kid grows up and no kid is looking at it and saying, I wanna grow up to be a police officer because officers are so incredibly derided at this point
in our culture and society at large.
So this guy, what we had that summer was officers shouldn't use non-violent or non-lethal munitions, right?
Non-lethal. There was a lot of talk of rubber bullets.
There was pepper spray.
There were all these things that police were asked to use to control the riots that were burning cities down.
And they were asked to use these non-lethal munitions, that this was better than using guns.
The police forces largely complied.
Los Angeles Police Department complied.
They got rubber bullets.
They got pepper spray.
They didn't go out and shoot people, right?
Which, good. They didn't kill anybody.
That's great. But why?
Are we handicapping our police force to such an extent that they are not allowed to control crowds that are threatening to burn down buildings and hurt other people?
In New York as well, rioters were awarded hefty, hefty billions of dollars because they were, I don't know, like detained in some unpleasant way after setting fire to police cars.
in Brooklyn, if I remember that story correctly.
So what is this that we are doing?
Why are we saying, hey society, please behave in a criminal manner, destroy our society and our country?
And if we try to stop you, then you get a ton of money from the government for doing that.
What about all the money for the people who were in the autonomous zone in Seattle who lost their businesses, who lost their ability to do business because they were blockaded in an illegal occupation by violent people and two young black men were killed In the autonomous zone.
Where was BLM for these two young men?
Where were they then?
They were just not there.
They didn't care.
That was not their concern.
Because, of course, BLM is a massive grift, in my view.
I don't know why we're doing that.
Right. It seems like the left's MO now is reward our allies and punish our enemies, which is why we see such disparate treatments between BLM and Antifa on the one hand and then the January 6th rioters on the other hand.
And you guys have followed this really closely.
And I think it all plays into a broader narrative of what they're doing actually to Donald Trump right now.
The persecution of Trump didn't just start last month or earlier this year.
It's been going on for years now.
And everything leading up to the 2020 election was actually setting us up for this.
You can't allow one side to riot and burn down our cities and then reward the people doing it and then not have the other side push back in some way.
And I think that that's kind of the key here, is that this isn't happening in a vacuum, what they're doing to Trump.
They tried to rig the election, they did rig the election, and now they're just taking it one step further.
You got him out of office, and now it's let's get him in jail.
And then we'll see where we go from.
Where do we go from that?
Where do we go from there?
Yeah, just to track back for a second, if you remember during the pandemic in April 2020, Some Michiganders went to Lansing to protest Gretchen Whitmer's lockdowns.
She was closing hair shops and churches and schools, leaving open casinos and liquor stores, almost as though all she wanted was for people to spend all their government money and get trashed and stay at home, which is, I think, what they wanted us to do.
But these Michiganders who went to Lansing I remember distinctly they did a car protest.
A lot of them didn't get out of their car.
Some of them did go into the Capitol.
And they were saying, hey, don't lock us down.
We get to make our own decisions.
These people were called white supremacists.
They were criticized for breaking COVID protocol and rioting, or not rioting, going to the Capitol to petition the government for a redress of grievances, if I can just quote the Bill of Rights for a moment.
That's what they did. And then you had...
The rioters, the BLM, Antifa people...
They were supported by the entire medical community who said that racism is a bigger health crisis than COVID. So anybody who has ears, any American who was actually listening at that point could realize like, oh, everything you're saying is total trash and you are liars.
I get it now. And then COVID protesters, when they were out protesting during COVID, rather, the BLM people and the Antifa, Governor Cuomo, for example, said, when you're contact tracing people, Don't ask the protesters if they were at protests.
That's not okay. We have to respect their right to protest.
Unless you're in Lansing and you own a hair shop and you just want to get your employees paid.
That's not okay. So where do we go from here?
I think that's a question that we should have been asking this whole time.
As we kept watching this unfold recently, Ridiculously, right?
And now we see they loot Nordstrom's.
Nordstrom's closes down in San Francisco.
Soon there will be no way to buy goods in our downtowns.
They will just be places where people go defecate on the street and shoot up on the government's dime with their free injection sites and what have you, what else they're doing.
We will all just be trapped in our homes.
We'll just be sitting here.
The technologies that are coming down the line in America are ones that are designed to keep you stationary in your house, have stuff delivered, you know, have stuff streamed to you.
The movie theaters are in disrepair.
It's gross going to the movies now.
Your feet stick to whatever.
Where do we go from here is the question.
And I honestly don't know.
This is something that I have been grappling with.
I hear calls from some people that are saying, you know, there's going to be a civil war.
Well, okay, what does that look like?
Are we back to a state's rights thing?
That's kind of, that's something I've been thinking about because you have the Dobbs decision that came out of the Supreme Court and they said abortion is a state's rights issue.
We're also looking at trans issues and the states are making different laws.
So depending on where you live, you know, you may be in a state where the teachers are legally obligated to keep your child's gender identity secret from you or one where they're legally obligated to tell you right away what's going on.
It's all about which state you live in for that stuff.
If we start seeing COVID restrictions come back, that's going to be state by state as well.
So what are we looking at?
And as we also, you bring up the Donald Trump four indictments, each one of them more ludicrous than the last.
If you look at the indictment for Atlanta, he's being charged for tweets.
Mm-hmm. And this reminds me of what they did to Jordan Peterson in Ontario, the Ontario College of Physicians, trying to take his license away because some people saw his tweets on the internet, on twitter.com, and said, hey, I feel unpleasant about that.
And they're trying to withhold his license.
The left told us that words are violence, and now they are saying that our words are violence and using actual violence, lawfare, Antifa, BLM, Right, right.
Well, that's the problem with saying words are violence, is that it justifies using violence against the people speaking those words, and that's what they're doing.
One of the things they're doing with Trump reminds me of sort of what happened in the 2020 election, which was where Republicans and conservatives went to the courts and they said, we have an issue with what's happening.
And prior to the election, the courts pretty much ignored us.
They said, well, You don't have standing.
We haven't seen the actual fraud yet.
So we're going to pass on this.
Then after the election, they said, well, the issue's moved.
The election's over.
There's nothing we can do. So they completely ignored our issues then.
And they're doing something kind of similar to Trump now in a way where the judge is telling Trump now...
We're going to have a court date that's in only a few months, even though you have...
Thousands, hundreds of thousands of emails and data to go through prior to this court date.
And they're saying, basically, you should have already done this ahead of time.
Was this Chutkin? This was like Chutkin, right?
In D.C.? Right. The D.C. one.
So, yeah. So, the Department of Justice, which it's a key to point out that this is Joe Biden's Department of Justice, turned over 12.8 million pages of discovery to Donald Trump's attorneys.
Right. Then Chutkin rejected Trump's attorneys asking for a 2026 court date so that they could review the 12 million pages of evidence against him, of discovery.
And Chutkin said, this is what she said, she said that they should have been preparing their defense from the moment the grand jury was convened, and that they should have been reviewing the evidence prior to charges being laid.
So, I don't know how many people out there have read The Trial by Franz Kafka, who was an Eastern European writer who was very, very detailed in his exploration of what authoritarianism looks like in a society.
He was a master of it.
going on. You can't. The judge said you should have been preparing a defense before we filed charges against you. Before you knew that you were being charged or what you were being charged with, you should have been preparing a criminal defense. That doesn't make any sense.
If you ever saw Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, the original one, with Gene Wilder and the math teacher says, you know, we're changing the date of the test so that we're not going to be taking, instead of taking the test on Friday, after the week in which you learned the material, we're not going to take the test on Monday before you've learned what you need to know for the test.
That is what's going on here.
It's absolutely insane.
That should be a criminal act.
That's a banana republic.
You can't defend yourself against charges that you don't know what they are.
I find this so personally and professionally infuriating and terrifying because if they are saying to Donald Trump, and this is the January 6th judge, right?
If they're saying this to Donald Trump, They can say this to literally any defendant.
You should have been preparing your defense since January 7th, 2021.
What? What? Why?
Before what? Before everybody showed up at my house and dragged me out?
Before my son ratted me out to the feds, as it has been the case in some of these instances, which like...
You raised that kid wrong, first of all.
But anyway, you know, there's things that should stay in the family.
Anyway, that's my take.
I find it so horrifying.
Well, it is, and it should horrify everybody who's paying attention.
Whether you like Trump or not, even if you're a DeSantis person, even if you're a leftist, this should absolutely horrify you.
Especially if you're a liberal.
Especially this should horrify you.
Right. I mean, for years, the left was supposed to be the ones who were raging against abuses of power of the federal government, or at least that's what they said, but not anymore.
Libby, thanks for joining us.
I appreciate it. We've got a lot more that we could talk about, but we've got to wrap it up.
So I appreciate it. Thanks for coming.
Thanks so much, Brandon. I appreciate it.
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