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The Coming Lockdown Dinesh D’Souza Podcast Ep 654
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Good afternoon. I'm Brandon Gill filling in for Dinesh this week while he takes a little bit of time off on vacation.
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Today, we're gonna be discussing the resurging talk of COVID mandates and the new variant coming just in time for election season.
We'll break down what the lockdowns really meant and why we absolutely must not allow 2020 to happen again.
Then we'll be joined by Mayor Trent Staggs.
Mayor Staggs is a great patriot from Utah doing God's work running for U.S. Senate to unseat disgusting establishment rhino Mitt Romney.
Then we're going to have a great conversation with him, so you definitely don't want to miss that.
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The elections are heating up again, and that means according to the left's seeming new tradition, that it's time for another COVID variant.
This time it's the BA 2.86 variant.
It's nicknamed the Parola variant, and it's supposed to be a new COVID mutation.
This one is different than the new COVID mutation that came out a few weeks ago.
That was the ARIS mutation.
The White House and the media are concerned about it.
They've been increasing their fear-mongering, talking about a possible new resurgence in lockdowns and vax mandates.
But so far, they can't help but admit that the new variant seems like sort of a minor threat.
So far, there have been a whopping 11 infections of the Parola variant, 11, and that's worldwide only 11.
And only three of those are in the U.S. One was in Michigan, one in Ohio, one was identified at Dulles International Airport in Virginia from a woman who was returning home from a trip to Japan.
And so far, there's been no indication whatsoever that the new variant is any more dangerous than previous ones.
But nevertheless, the White House is pushing the new COVID vaccine that's rolling out next month.
The problem is that the vaccine coming out in September is for a past variant, the XBB1.5 variant, and our venerable health authorities are unsure whether it will work against the Parola strain.
Some officials have even been talking about whether we'll need to develop another vaccine for Parola.
And in the face of these ostensibly new public health threats, we're already hearing rumbles of the kind of draconian restrictions on our freedom the left has been gunning for since 2020.
You know, the ones we all lived through for the past three years.
According to the Daily Mail, Additionally, Kaiser Permanente Hospital in Santa Rosa, California and Upstate Community Hospital in Syracuse, New York, have both brought back mask mandates for doctors, nurses, patients, and visitors.
On Friday, President Biden said his administration will likely recommend Americans receive another COVID booster vaccine in the coming weeks.
He signed a proposal on Friday asking Congress for more funding to update COVID vaccines to better protect against the new variants.
Additionally, if you watch the news, you've probably seen CBS News and other mainstream media outlets are pushing masks again.
And according to no college mandates, there are still between 86 and 88 colleges still.
Still requiring COVID vaccines for fall admittance.
So the mandates are coming back, at least mask mandates.
The left is pushing for them, and that means that vaccine mandates and lockdowns could potentially be next.
They could be coming back too.
The left is teeing them up.
It starts with media hype and discussion from the White House.
Then colleges and schools and other institutions follow.
We might see mask mandates on planes return soon.
And then once they become normalized in areas the government has direct control over, or at least indirect control over, they start to spread to businesses and other parts of society.
It's starting now.
And there's even some early talk of something more sinister.
According to the National Pulse, Yale University researchers have created a new airborne method of delivery for mRNA vaccines, which they believe will radicalize the way people are vaccinated in the near future.
Their findings are detailed in a report published in the journal Science Translational Medicine.
In the new report, there is no intramuscular injection, said Professor Mark Saltzman.
The news comes at a time when COVID is back in the headlines with unearthed documents revealing the Department of Defense has spent millions of dollars on the new COVID equipment contracts that are due to begin in September and October 2023.
The way these new airborne mRNA vaccines work is that they're like a spray, a mist that I guess you inhale and they're supposed to inoculate you against COVID. The most obvious characteristic about them is how they appear incredibly easy to use, even on lots of people at once, and possibly without them knowing.
And if you think coerced airborne vaccines are above our government, that this is something they would never dream of doing, you must have been asleep the past three years.
The left, Biden, Kamala Harris, and the massive federal bureaucracies they oversee will have no scruples about covertly using a vaccine on you, whether you want it or not.
Just look at the past three years.
How do we know this? We went for years with the left-wing media, the left's opinion makers, telling us that unvaccinated people were responsible for the pandemic.
They were responsible for people dying.
That they essentially had blood on their hands.
We were told that unvaccinated people themselves deserve to die if they got COVID. The left celebrated as some form of perverted poetic justice when unvaxxed people perished.
We were told the unvaccinated shouldn't have the right to go out in public.
That they shouldn't be tolerated in schools or businesses.
That they shouldn't be able to travel.
They were basically not even citizens anymore.
They were supposed to be pariahs and outcasts.
That was the America the left wanted.
And the left had no problem relentlessly destroying people's lives over the vaccine and mask mandates.
And they had no remorse when older people died alone in hospitals because their families weren't allowed to visit them.
When American citizens had to sell their homes because they were put out of work by draconian lockdowns, no leftist cared.
When American businesses were shuttered, destroyed by their own edicts, the left was silent.
And it didn't matter if there was some ostensible purpose for the lockdowns or mandates or not.
It was an exercise of raw political power.
They flexed their political muscles in a way that had never before ever in American history been done.
So the question with all of this now as we're seeing this resurge, at least potentially on the horizon, is how will you respond?
How will your elected officials respond?
How will your community and your local leaders respond when the left tries to pull the same stunts they pulled in 2020?
And how will you vote in 2024 in the face of all this?
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COVID mitigation policies, things like lockdowns, mask and vax mandates, were an exercise of raw political power and a demonstration, excuse me, of the extent our leaders can go to deceive and coerce the American public.
And they were based on lies.
Our leaders lied about whether masks worked.
They lied about the vaccine.
They lied about how many people died from COVID. They lied about natural immunity.
They lied about how the virus spreads and who can spread it.
They lied even about where the virus came from.
They lied about the fundamental nature of the pandemic and about virology.
And then they censored and slandered anybody who dared to defy them, especially publicly.
So when it comes to our ruling class, COVID was not handled in good faith.
They did not intend to keep anybody safe or stop them from contracting the disease.
That wasn't their goal.
They intended to use COVID as a crisis to push radical social and political changes.
Changes in the way we vote, the way we interact with each other, the way we work.
It was the great reset, the time to fundamentally remake Western civilization in a new image based on a new world order defined by secular, liberal, globalist, neo-Western values.
That was what the ruling class, the people in high levels of government, the media, and academia wanted.
But not everybody saw or understood what that agenda was, including many of the people who advocated for COVID restrictions themselves.
You probably know some of them.
Maybe your next-door neighbor who thought the whole economy should be locked down.
Some people outside of the elite bubble who supported draconian social policies on the name of COVID mitigation actually did so in good faith.
They wanted to stop the spread of the disease, so they took the advice of our leaders at their word.
And as we're coming around to perhaps another round of COVID measures, it's worth taking a second to analyze some of the lockdown mandates at face value.
So let's do that.
When you're evaluating any piece of public policy, whether it's economic policy, social policy, foreign policy, really anything, at some point you have to do a cost-benefit analysis.
You have to weigh the good versus the bad.
The benefits are usually straightforward.
They're the reason the policy you're analyzing was conceived in the first place.
For example, higher taxes bring in more government revenue.
That's obvious. Welfare spending supposedly helps the people who get the money.
You can see what the proposed policy's goals were quite simply.
But you also have to look at the costs, and there's always a cost.
It may not be obvious, you may not be able to see what it is, but it's there.
There's no such thing as a free lunch that's just as true in economics as it is in public policy.
When the government runs up a massive debt, for example, somebody has to pay it back.
You may not know who they are because it may be future generations, but somebody will.
And that's a key point.
We also have to look at who bears the costs and benefits of any proposed policy, and that brings us to an interesting point regarding COVID mandates.
When you learn who benefits and who pays the price of these policies, you get a good sense of what lawmakers' intentions actually were.
So let's apply that framework to lockdowns.
Taken at face value, what are the costs and benefits?
And who was supposed to pay the price?
We're discussing things like mask mandates, shutting down businesses and schools, and forcing people to get an experimental vaccine.
The goals of lockdowns were ostensibly to stop the spread of COVID. But who does that impact the most?
And we've known this for a long time, and that's a key point.
It impacts the people who are most at risk for COVID. We've known for a very, very long time, even early in the pandemic, that the people most at risk of COVID by far, and it's not even close, are older people, people 65 and older, and the obese.
And it really is only those two groups.
For young people, for healthy people, COVID generally is like getting the flu.
Of course, that's not to say that it won't be serious for some people, but generally, generally speaking, people who are younger than 65 and not obese are at a much, much lower risk of serious health complications from COVID. So those are the people who benefit supposedly from COVID policies, ostensibly if we take them at face value again.
So then who are the people who pay the highest price for these policies?
Lockdowns, school closures, things like that.
Well, one group is the working class, which is largely made up of people who can't just work from home.
That seems almost foreign to our Washington ruling elite, but a lot of people can't.
You can think of also people who work in the service industry, hospitality.
Restaurants come to mind easily, but there were also millions of people in other sectors who lost their livelihoods as well.
But another often overlooked demographic is children.
We know that masks slow cognitive development in young children.
It's really, really important for children to see the faces of their parents or teachers.
We also know that it's important for children to be at school in a learning environment.
That's been obvious for a long time.
So it was obvious what the effects of shutting down schools would be.
We knew it would impact our children's education and we're now seeing the results.
Children across the country are showing lower test scores, sometimes significantly lower, in math and reading.
Study after study has shown that cognitive development has slowed.
Mental health problems have skyrocketed and the impact was particularly acute on children from lower socioeconomic backgrounds.
And it's all directly a result of lockdowns.
And again, none of this is new.
We've always known what the effects would be.
Closed-down schools and education and mental health will suffer.
Education will suffer.
So we destroyed our children's education, which means that, in effect, what COVID restrictions meant was that people who had the least to gain children were the ones who bore the highest cost of COVID mitigation policies, policies that primarily benefited older people.
And again, you can't hammer it hard enough.
We've always known this.
From the early points in the pandemic, we've known this.
You can agree or disagree with COVID policies.
You may view COVID as being the worst thing that's ever happened.
You can agree or disagree with the efficacy of COVID mitigation measures.
You may think some of these policies were phenomenal.
But it's undeniable that the deliberate policy calculus was to sacrifice our children for the ostensible benefit of the old and the obese.
That was specifically what we did.
And sacrificing children's welfare for the benefits of older people is a reprehensible way of running a society.
It's morally indefensible.
No policy should be framed that way.
And we have to pay attention because if we're not careful we're going to be doing it again.
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Welcome back to the Dinesh D'Souza podcast.
I'm Brandon Gill filling in for Dinesh this week.
We have a special guest with us now.
He's the mayor of Riverton, Utah.
He's running for U.S. Senate against, or he's primarying, RINO establishment Mitt Romney.
He's born and raised in Utah.
He's a successful entrepreneur, husband, and father.
You can find him on Twitter.
He's at Mayor Staggs.
And you can go to his website.
It's TrentStaggs.com.
So, Mayor Trent Staggs, welcome.
Thanks for joining us. Hey, thanks for having me, Brandon.
I want to ask you...
I think from the standpoint of people who are maybe not in Utah and are sort of looking at what's going on there, we've been pretty disappointed in Mitt Romney for a long time.
He's been a prominent U.S. Senator.
It's hard to believe that he was actually our Republican presidential candidate in 2012.
So I want to ask you, he's been in office for quite a while.
What was it? Was there something in particular that you saw and you said, I've had enough, Mitt Romney needs to go, and I'm the person to do it?
Yes, absolutely, there was.
I mean, and I wrote an op-ed when we launched the candidacy just saying, I love how you just phrased it, because I said, enough is enough.
Why I'm going to replace Mitt Romney.
It's two things, largely.
It's his voting record, and we called that out.
We had a launch video that's about 90 seconds that we put on Twitter, got a million views.
It really highlighted five years ago when he moves to Utah and decides to run for the seat, he claimed that he was going to put us on a path to a balanced budget, he'd end illegal immigration, he'd stop federal spending and overreach, and he'd appoint conservative justices to the court.
Now, we know that's not his record at all, you know, five years later.
In fact, he's worked for just the opposite of those things, voted for just the opposite of those things.
But more than just the record, man, it's really his lack of representation in Utah.
I seriously pose the question to many out there, when's the last time you've seen Mitt Romney in Utah?
He's rarely here.
And I'm a state delegate, a GOP state delegate, and he hasn't bothered to show up the last two years to our state convention.
I was asked to chair the Salt Lake County GOP convention, the largest county in the state of 1.2 million people.
We have 1,500 delegates.
His response was, I will yield my time.
So he didn't care at all to come here, to show up.
As I've been calling other mayors, that's something I'm hearing too, is that he doesn't really respond to them.
And he doesn't take their concerns seriously.
And that's something that I've done as a mayor for 10 years.
I'm always responsive to my constituency, and I promise the same.
And so it was really those two things that just led me to believe we need better representation.
Utah deserves better representation of this.
We deserve a true conservative, another Mike Lee, if you will.
And so I was encouraged by many to run for this office, and here we are.
Right. And it's amazing.
You have one Senator Mike Lee, to your point, who is a phenomenal fighter.
And then we have Mitt Romney from Utah.
What do you hear on the ground from the people of Utah about Mitt Romney?
Oh, well, it's been just over three months, right about three months since we've announced.
Yeah. It's not just the polling data.
I've seen maybe he's 30% favorability in terms of Republican voters.
That is really borne out on the ground too.
As I go around, I mean, anecdotally, as I'm speaking to people, they've had enough too.
I've also used the line, I'm running because Massachusetts doesn't need a third senator.
And people, that really resonates with folks.
They're like, yeah, you know, he's Not really from here.
And he moved here. He promised that he'd be highly conservative.
And his record has not proven to bear that out.
You know, he's really supportive of Biden 60% of the time or more.
He encouraged Joe Biden to run for president, too.
And at every opportunity, he tries to really stick it to President Trump.
And that's just unacceptable.
And again, for all these reasons, I decided to run, and this is what I'm hearing.
It's really been validating to go across the state and hear from so many Utahns that this is not what they want.
They want a true conservative to represent them.
And you've been representing the people of Utah for a bit now as mayor of Riverton.
And I want to ask you, for the past three years with the COVID pandemic, mask mandates, vax mandates, lockdowns have been really...
Really popular, at least with the governing class.
The federal government's pushed them pretty hard.
You've seen state governments push them.
And even local municipal governments have been pushing these kinds of draconian mandates.
But you took a different approach in Riverton.
Tell us about that. No, absolutely we did.
And it's unfortunate that so many have abused their office to really force or compel people to do certain things that I think are against their liberties.
And that's why so many have asked me to run for this race because I've actually got a record now for 10 years, I've been leading my community.
And when COVID came, I've got a record of standing up and saying no.
We had state and county mask mandates that were foisted on us and they wanted me to use my police department to enforce these, what I've used as unconstitutional mandates.
And so I said, absolutely not.
I put it out there as a statement, said we will not be doing this.
I won't be enforcing these mandates.
And I trust our residents.
I trust the people of Riverton to make these decisions for themselves.
And that was met with a little bit of controversy from some.
I think by and large, most of our residents really appreciated that, erring on the side of freedom.
But I had many, I remember back then, that thought I was trying to kill everybody.
And I got so many emails, just hate mail and phone calls to my office from across the country when they saw this go out there.
So... But no, we've got a clear record of standing up, pushing back against the establishment, saying, no, we're not going to conform.
I did it also with vaccine mandates when the Biden administration was trying to push that down on any organizations that had more than 100 employees, which our city does.
I said, absolutely not.
We're not going to be doing this.
And as a preemptive strike, if you will, with all the talk about mask mandates potentially coming back, I said, no.
Definitely not. We're going to hold the line, and we're not going there yet again.
And that's what people have really appreciated in my 10 years in office.
What's typified my career is someone who's a business person, who thinks outside the box, who's able to make government more efficient at the municipal level, who understands federalism, local control, and that's what we need in D.C. now more than ever.
Right, absolutely. It takes guts to stand up to the ruling class, that's for sure.
And there's another sort of iteration of that.
I want to read to you something Mitt Romney put on his Twitter recently about Ukraine, and I want to get your response.
He said, and I'm quoting,"...the single most important thing we can do is strengthen America relative to China is to see Russia defeated in Ukraine." A weakened Russia deters the CCP's territorial ambition and halts Putin's vision of reestablishing the old Soviet Union.
Supporting Ukraine is in our interest.
What's your response to that?
Well, I don't at all agree with supporting and getting the U.S. into endless wars and spending $130, $140 billion for a country that is not part of NATO and that Europe, its closest neighbors, are only putting up around $20 billion.
So something is wrong here.
We shouldn't be advocating for this.
You know, I saw where he said also that this is a great deal.
You know, it's only amounts to about 5% of all of our defense budget and we can spend it over there.
I don't know what it is with these neocons that are so eager to rush America into war.
It's just not something at all that I would do, that I would support.
I've been on the record very clearly about that.
I like some of the comments that Vivek Ramaswamy actually responded to that.
I saw and took a swipe and just said, hey, no, Senator Romney, you're wrong yet again.
What this does is only emboldens China even further by pushing Russia into their arms.
And so I think he's completely wrong with respect to this issue.
And it's amazing.
It does seem on so many issues, it is sort of the ruling government class against the people, whether it's COVID lockdowns and vax mandates or Ukraine wanting to send our tax dollars overseas.
But there's also, over the past few years, we've seen a pretty disturbing weaponization of the federal government government.
From the DOJ, from the presidency, from the bureaucratic machine going after everyday Americans, mothers, pro-lifers, and obviously even President Trump.
He's got over 90 counts against him for indictments.
Tell us, what do you make of this?
Well, as you said, it's the weaponization of federal agencies against just one ideology.
I mean, there's no uniform or application of justice here.
That's what's laughable.
I mean, if it weren't so serious, it would be laughable.
But Utahns get it.
I think Americans get it.
They see right through it.
This is an assault on free speech.
They have now dragged out four different indictments against President Trump, largely based on novel legal theories.
These legal theories have never been tried in court before.
They've never been successful, but they're doing all they can.
They're doing this legal gymnastics to try to come up with ways in which they can interfere with an election.
You know, that's the irony here is that Democrats and the left, they always accuse the other side of what they themselves are doing.
And that's exactly what they're doing here.
They're interfering in election.
I mean, these charges, you know, three years after the fact, they couldn't have been brought previously.
And again, they're based on novel legal theories that I don't think will stand up at all.
It's an assault on free speech.
And, um, I, I wish the president well, it's just, it's incredibly disappointing that they're doing this in the midst of an election.
And, and you look at the timing of these indictments too, right?
I mean, here we've got the Biden crime family.
We've got documentable, irrefutable proof of Hunter Biden being involved in working with foreign agencies, selling access to the White House and giving 10% to the big guy.
Yet nothing is going on there.
No, we just want to drum up some bogus charges against President Trump Right.
And your opponent, Mitt Romney, as far as I've seen, has been completely silent on the weaponization.
I mean, he's supposed to be pro-life.
He's supposed to be a conservative.
But as far as I've seen, he said nothing.
He's been 100% silent on this issue.
I mean, with respect to Hunter Biden, the weaponization of agencies, I've talked to people that really reached out to him and asked for help during the January 6th incident.
He got nothing. And so he's just not here again representing Utahns, what we're looking for.
The only thing he's exhibited a lot of passion and energy around is trying to fight Donald Trump.
And he's done that since day one, since he got into office.
You know, I listed off several things that he claimed he was going to do.
Ending illegal immigration was one of them.
Ending illegal immigration, he claimed.
Yet, we only need, what, $5 billion more to finish the border wall?
He's all too eager to send $140 billion to Ukraine, but he petulantly, petulantly refused to work with Donald Trump in 2018 to implement the border wall when he had an opportunity.
He's also, one, remember, one of, I think, five Republicans that confirmed Secretary Mayorkas, who is a complete disaster, just an utter disaster.
And he's been one that, you know, confirmed Ketanji Brown Jackson, the radical Supreme Court justice, associate justice of the Supreme Court, who can't even define what a woman is.
These aren't consistent with what Utahns want.
They want true conservatism, constitutional conservatism.
They're senators to represent them in that way.
Mitt Romney's not giving that.
The only thing he seems to care about and exhibit any passion, again, is just going after President Trump.
You saw after the first indictment, he issues a statement.
He's silent on everything else, as we've been saying, but he issues a statement there saying that President Trump brought this upon himself.
It's just ridiculous.
Utahns deserve better.
America deserves better.
And that's why we're stepping up in this race.
Well, and it's sickening to see a Republican take these views, especially when they're so out of step with the people he's supposed to represent.
Lastly, we're in the middle of a pretty heated presidential primary.
There's obviously a very clear frontrunner, President Trump.
You endorsed him early on.
Tell us about that. Why did you endorse President Trump?
Yeah, I gladly did.
I ran an op-ed that endorsed President Trump because we just had, it was really somewhat of a counter to Romney's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal where he was pleading donors not to fund a Trump plurality in his view and wanting everybody to let's gang up against Trump.
And I just thought when I read that, I thought, here we go again.
I mean, people are looking at this, Utahns, and they're literally rolling their eyes at Senator Romney.
He just doesn't get it.
He doesn't understand why he's just not in favor with Utahns.
He cares more about winning the appeal of CNN or people that didn't vote for him back in 2012 than he cares about really representing Utahns here.
And so I thought, look...
We are at a crossroads.
I mean, I never thought this country could just go down as precipitously as it has since the Biden administration.
Romney, as a large result, Romney and people like him, because of him, we have President Biden in office.
And you see what's gone on.
I mean, during Trump... I outlined the reasons why I support.
I mean, we had energy independence.
We had $2 a gallon gasoline, and don't we all want that again?
I helped take a company public in the energy space.
Part of my background, I'm very, very much about energy independence.
We had the tax cuts in 2017 that I know I and all of my residents really benefited from here in our state.
We had the conservative justices, the appointments that I think were phenomenal.
And of course, we were respected on the world stage.
I mean, President Trump was forcing NATO and our allies there to finally pay their fair share.
We didn't have any of the issues that we have here today.
I mean, look at where we're at with Biden.
So I just think there's a stark difference between where we were with President Trump versus where we are now.
We need to return to that.
And that's why I'm supporting President Trump.
Absolutely. And people can find you on Twitter.
It's at Mayor Staggs.
Is that correct? That's right. At Mayor Staggs.
And your website is at TrentStaggs.com.
Mayor Staggs, thanks for joining us.
We really appreciate it. Thank you so much.
I appreciate the conversation.
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