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June 28, 2024 - Doug Collins Podcast
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Debate 2024 Joe Biden vs. Live Television.
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The greatest thing I have ever heard in my whole life.
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I'll tell you where bravery is found and courage is found.
It's found in this minority who has lived through the last year of nothing but rules being broken, people being put down, questions not being answered, and this majority say, be damned with anything else.
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Because we won an election.
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Hey everybody, welcome to Friday.
If you're not a Democrat this morning, you've got to be feeling a little bit better if you are a Democrat and especially Jeff Duncan, Adam Kinzinger, a couple of you out there in that very crowded atrium in the capital in the state of Georgia the other day when you endorsed Joe Biden.
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James is here.
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This is a lot to digest here as we go through on this debate from last night.
And the absolute apoplectic calls from Democrats last night that went on and We're going to talk about that because I think there's also some old school Democrat operatives who've been warning about this for the whole time.
Come to mind James Carville and others who are being laughed at, ridiculed, and mocked.
Nobody's mocking anymore.
Only Jill Biden's yelling.
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Okay, Chip.
I mean...
I mean, we can talk about a lot.
Where do you want to start?
I mean, this was just...
Before you said, where do you want to start?
What was in my head was, where do we start?
Yeah.
I mean, where do you start?
I want to get out here quick in this process, because it's sort of a personal issue to me.
You and I have worked campaigns before, and I've been a part of this, and we've been...
But I think it's...
Look, mainstream media is not going to report this, period.
End of statement, they're just not going to.
They're going to blow this part that I'm getting ready to talk about completely out of the water.
But for the first time, a few years ago I used to say that today is the best time to be a conservative because now Democrats admit that they want gun control, they admit that they want more taxes, they admit that they want bigger government, and now they've sort of crossed the next rail and you had the President of the United States say, Democrats want abortion anytime, anywhere, for any reason.
Sex selection, 40 weeks, even conceivably after birth, but also, you know, anything that they want here.
We believe the first time that's ever been said out loud by the main party candidate, the Democrats in their platform, but he actually said it last night and Trump had the The fair wherewithal to actually remind Joe, that's exactly what Roe v.
Wade did.
Now, you may not like Trump's answer, and I know there's friends of mine who don't like Trump's answer, but that right now, look, the Democrats have so many problems they're trying to cover up this morning.
That's one that will definitely never see the light of day.
It won't see the light of day because of Because of everything else that Joe Biden did in that debate, right?
It wasn't the news that came out of the debate.
I remember we did this podcast last Friday, Doug, and I just said, I've never looked forward to a presidential debate more in my life.
Now, did I know exactly what was going to happen?
No, none of us did, right?
That's why we look forward to the debate.
But I tell you, we all know, I mean, it's no secret that there's been a cognitive decline.
I mean, that's not a secret.
But when I really realized that I just don't think he can make it through a 90-minute debate, he gave an interview to David Muir when he was in Normandy.
And I watched that interview, and I remember saying, I really can't believe they're going to let him debate.
He won't make it through, and he didn't make it through.
I mean, yes, he made it to the end, and he had a pulse, but it was sad.
I mean, just from a human perspective, you know, it was really tough to watch.
But I tell you, though, I've always said, You know, the social media platform of Twitter, I still call it Twitter, even though Elon Musk wants me to call it X. It was made for nights like last night.
Oh, yeah.
And it was made for mornings like the morning that Scotty Scheffler got arrested.
I just don't...
I don't see a clean way out of this for Democrats.
I mean, there's lots of options.
There are lots of options that they have.
I mean, I've seen people say, well, Democrats have no options.
No, they actually have quite a few, but none of them are really that good.
And look, give Donald Trump credit, Doug.
He saw what we saw.
And he saw what the country saw.
He saw what the world saw.
And he got out of the way.
And that's a big deal.
I mean, that shows me how much he's learned since the last campaign.
And I think he deserves a lot of credit for...
Donald Trump knew if he could just make it through the debate...
This was the first debate that I think Donald Trump has been in out of the six that really wasn't about him.
Yeah, it was.
I agree with you.
I think the interesting part here, too, is...
And, okay, let's just dive in, I mean, to that part right now that this replacement idea, the Obamas are behind it, they pushed him out there.
Look, I don't think Jill Biden is behind it, okay?
I think she is, I mean, we've seen strong, you know, female behind executives here.
But, you know, here's the facts, okay?
For everybody out there saying, oh, you know, and you and I have talked about it, and it's something I think they want to do, they have a problem, structurally.
And there were several Democrats having commented about this this morning.
Unless Joe Biden says, I want out, unless he releases everybody and he steps down as nominee or dies, there's probably a provision there, which nobody's asking for a warning or anything else.
In fact, that's just a natural.
But he's got to be the one to do this.
I know that in states like Georgia and others, there's some legal bounding in the Democratic side on who they have to vote for at convention.
Their own party rules because of the...
If you remember, when they opted out of Bernie Sanders in 2016, when they did all these things, they began to have a process in which they have to struggle to...
They have to go along with the nominee.
And I think that's going to make it very hard for them.
Number two, the logical choice is Kamala Harris.
And nobody on the Democratic Party wants that.
I mean, they tried a little bit last night saying, oh, she's a great communicator and everything else.
She comes on and she can't get through it.
The third part I keep hearing, Chip, is this 25th Amendment argument.
That ain't going to happen.
There's no cabinet member going to put this on.
So the question becomes for Democrats, Never put him back on stage.
It reminds me of the time, and you and I laugh about this all the time, that I did a first debate and a runoff in 2012. And it was just one of those times when I thought, well, we made it through it.
You thought, God, this was terrible.
You know, just pathetic.
And you basically said, we're just going to do paid media for the next two weeks.
I mean, they got four months to do this.
I just don't see them putting him back up on stage.
I just don't see.
And if Trump, I wouldn't agree to another one if I was Trump.
Well, look, a lot to unpack there, right?
I don't disagree with anything that you've said.
The one thing I would add, or the one observation I would make is, and look, you know, we're The whole world, the whole country, all the talk radio, all the cable news, all the network news, we're all speculating right now as to what the next move's going to be.
I actually think the door is open now to Joe Biden voluntarily stepping a slide.
And that's the only way right now.
What's that?
That's the only way.
That's the only way.
But I think that will begin to manifest itself because, you know, look, I'm a Republican.
I'm a conservative.
I wasn't voting for Joe Biden.
I won't vote for whoever replaces him.
But, you know, if you're a Democrat and you wanted to defeat Donald Trump, This is not your guy.
And the next person might not be either.
But what we do know is...
And look, you know, Van Jones was on the CNN panel.
I really enjoyed watching the first 30 minutes of CNN after the debate because watching...
You know, watching Kate Beddenfield and Van Jones and David Axelrod and really all the CNN talent was just priceless.
I mean, you can't replicate something like that.
But even Van Jones said, You know, Van Jones is probably the one person on that stage that's the most progressive and the most liberal.
Even Van said, you know, it's just a bad night tonight because I know that he's a good man.
Yeah.
And when you start seeing stuff like that, I mean, you know, It was just so bad.
I mean, you can't have him.
And so, you know, but I think the problem is, so how does he exit stage right with it being his decision?
And I think right now he can say, you know, guys, I love my country.
My country's given more to me than I've ever given to it.
And I, you know, I just tried.
I tried my best.
But, you know, father time is undefeated.
Yeah.
And father time has always been undefeated.
And, you know, he just didn't have a bad debate, Doug.
You know, history says when you have a bad debate in a historical context, you go back and you watch film and you come up with a different game plan and you learn from your mistakes.
This is not something he can fix.
No, this isn't a mistake.
No, no.
This is something that gets worse over time, not better.
I retweeted last night, and Rachel Bade, who you and I both know at Politico up in DC, put out something to the effect of the difference between him and the State of the Union is massive.
And I retweeted that and said, can you imagine what it's going to be like in four months?
Oh, 100%.
And for those of us who have lived with dementia, with the old age issue, and again, I'm just going to willing to call it what it is.
It's older age.
He's just having a lot of health issues.
He's there.
Whether it's early onset Alzheimer's, whether it's dementia, whether it's just Joe being Joe, whatever.
It doesn't get better, folks.
I'm going to tell you.
I mean, I've had parents.
I've had a parent.
I've had in-laws.
I've had a pastor of a church in which I saw it on a regular basis.
And what will happen is, and here's the problem they've got, and I don't know if anybody's willing to talk about this, and I'm saying this with respect, okay, because I think this is a medical issue that they're dealing with.
You don't notice the decline if you're seeing someone every day.
You notice it in bits and pieces.
Where you notice it is, and this is where the Biden team has the issue, they know they really can't put him out all the time.
So what happens is you go a week and you see him two or three times.
Hopefully they keep him in check.
He doesn't freeze up.
He does anyway.
And then for two or three weeks you keep him off camera.
Well, then the next time he comes back on, the facial expressions, the open...
Who was it last night that said something about this blank stare and the open mouth?
I mean, that's...
It just gets worse is what I'm trying to say.
Yeah.
I mean, look, we've all seen it, whether it's with our family members or friends of family members.
You know, I mean, the State of the Union was only four months ago.
Yep.
And he was sharp at the State of the Union, and it surprised me.
I mean, look at the decline in four months.
Can you imagine where he's going to be four months from now?
And so, look, I would be, at this point in time, I would be surprised if he doesn't agree to step aside by the convention.
Now, look, I wouldn't be shocked, but I'd be surprised, right?
I mean, you know, but if he does, I mean, they have created within their party An identity politics construct that now I don't think they can back themselves out of.
And you mentioned it earlier.
Nobody in the Democratic Party believes that Kamala Harris is I mean, it's just not.
And if it really does go to a convention where there is a floor fight and a floor vote, it's going to get ugly and nasty, and it's going to get closer to the election, and there are going to be hurt feelings, and there's going to be identity politics fallout.
Because Joe Biden picked Kamala Harris as vice president, and he said so before he picked her.
He said, I'm picking a minority woman.
I'm sorry, maybe he said that about Ketanji Brown Jackson.
I don't know that he said that about the VP pick.
I think he just said, I'm picking a woman.
But now you're in the position where if the nominee is not an African-American female, there are going to be base problems that are bigger than the ones he's having right now with Israel and Palestine.
And so, you know, I think...
I think part of the discussion to get him out and part of the discussion for him to get out, I think, is going to be negotiating A replacement so that there's not a floor fight at the convention, and that I don't know that they can pull.
I don't think they can.
Look, when there's having to send Rokihana out of California into Michigan to talk to the Arab-Palestinian vote in Michigan, and they're sending in surrogates who are getting killed because they can't send Joe Biden.
into those conversations.
They can't send Kamala Harris into those conversations.
It just shows you the issues they have with their fractured base right now.
Look, polling is already showing that they're losing Historical numbers.
Now, again, and I say this, and I don't want to be like every other, you know, a lot of these other conservative people out there who say, oh my God, we got 25% of the African American vote.
Okay, if you get 25% of the African American vote in November, it's historic, and this is a 50-state sweep, okay?
It's going to be more in the 12 to 15 range, and even that is historic.
Okay?
Yeah.
So let's get over this kind of stuff.
So they're having trouble already.
Hispanic votes are already having trouble.
Last night, more specifically, Joe Biden could not deal with the immigration issue, which was, you know, I will say this.
The first 45 minutes to an hour of this debate Hands down, Donald Trump stayed focused, stayed in.
You may not have liked his answers, but they were consistent answers, and he never raised his voice.
He never did the back and forth.
Biden, I even texted you about this.
Who, and I don't think, again, this is also a case of symptoms of of a mind that is struggling, okay?
When you're cussing and it's not what you do all the time, where the hell, you know, where did he come up with it?
That is a symptom Of someone who is so struggling to come out with something that they get frustrated.
I've seen it in family members.
I've seen it in others.
But that first 45-50 minutes, now the last 30 minutes sort of just deteriorated.
Neither one of them answered questions.
I remember Tapper desperately trying to get them to talk about childcare.
Neither one of them talked about childcare.
They just wanted to talk about who was the worst president in history.
They, you know, then they got into the classic, uh, I've seen your golf swing.
Oh my God.
That was just, you know, again, we're talking about this and the, you know, and as James's favorite quote of the whole night, you have the morals of an alley cat.
I mean, like, where did that come from?
So, you know, these are the kind of things, but the immigrant, it was amazing.
And then the first question of the night really came in the first back and forth.
He ended, everybody thought Trump was going to have trouble with the lights.
It was Biden who had trouble with the lights.
And he came up to the end.
And we kill Medicare.
You know, Doug, it reminds me of the song, you know, Video Killed the Radio Star.
Yeah.
Because, you know, you bring up a very good point, which is, you know, you and I spoke a couple times during the debate last night.
You didn't tell me that you were in an automobile, but I sensed that you weren't watching the debate.
Right.
I just did because, you know, I know you were on your way back from opening up a Trump office in another part of the state, but...
And I remember you telling me how bad this was going for Biden, and you could just listen.
You didn't see at the time.
Right, right, right.
At the time, you couldn't see how bad it was.
It was worse when you visualized it.
Mike Murphy, and Mike is very smart, operative.
He doesn't like Trump.
He's made no bones about it.
He was John McCain's media vendor, and he's kind of switched teams now.
He's a Democrat, and he's a Biden supporter, and he supported Joe Biden.
And it was just kind of fun watching his tweet storm yesterday, because he was venting, right?
And he kind of crystallized.
He crystallized.
You know, what Democrats were going through as they were watching that debate with this one tweet, and it was just real simple.
It said, Biden's listening face is a real visual problem.
It's heartbreaking.
Yeah.
That's it.
That was the tweet.
And that really kind of summed up, right?
I mean, you know, and you are correct.
With everything you said on the abortion issue, right?
You're correct.
With Biden's answer on that, but I don't know that anything that any of the candidates said last night about policy, I don't know that any of that sticks, because that's not what...
I think what people took out of the debate was profound, and that is how dare...
His family.
Yes.
Put him.
I mean, just as a human being, this is close to being over.
And by the way, Doug, I'm not talking about the election.
No, no, no, no.
I agree.
Look, I said this before, Chip.
I've said it on this podcast.
James can go back and find the clips.
I have said I blame his staff and I blame him.
Just like I did John Fetterman.
I blame John Fetterman's staff.
Now, Fetterman has gotten better, okay?
In fact, he's come off in a whole different light.
But when he was struggling and struggling, I blamed his staff.
They were milking him, okay?
Biden is now...
And Jill Biden, she came out very badly last night in many...
I've seen some comments.
I mean, walking...
Look, the picture of him getting walked off of stage when he had to actually...
I mean, he was honestly trying to figure out how to get to that first step.
If you look at the video, you can't make this up.
It's not a fake video.
It's real.
It's there.
He's doing that.
I'm turning sideways and putting my foot down.
And then she gets on afterwards, almost like a toddler.
You did so good.
You answered all the questions.
And it's like, She'd come off as, you know, this sort of backroom figure.
It's like, oh my God.
You know, your husband just had a bad night.
Take him into the backroom.
And then did you see they showed up at a Waffle House near Truist Park last night?
No.
Yes.
There's pictures.
No, I did not.
I saw that he went to a post-debate party.
I did not see the Waffle House.
They did a Waffle House.
Not a lot of people were there.
He's shuffling around with a Waffle House cup of coffee in his hand.
You know, he got some pictures with some folks.
I mean, it was a staged event.
They had the staged event because Trump did it in College Park at a Waffle House.
You know, we know Joe.
You and I both know Joe well.
I mean, they're getting more Waffle House commercials out of this than anything else.
But this was, I mean, people don't understand this, and I think they're now understanding.
Look, you mentioned Mike Murphy.
Joe Scarborough, you know, was just vehemently vile to the world about fake videos.
Kareem Jean-Pierre, you're making this stuff up.
Trump team's doing AI video.
This morning, after saying how much he loved him, he did the Van Jones and says, it's now time for somebody to replace him.
I mean, You got four.
There was a picture that was on the memes.
Every New York Times opinion writer today basically said the same thing.
Trump, you know, Biden is over.
But here's my concern.
And since Murphy was on a tweet storm, I'm going to read you his tweet from 12.06 a.m., which And this is the big problem for Democrats, I think, going forward.
Another post-debate problem for Biden, he's been making a strong argument That the choice between Biden, who is fighting for the middle class, and Trump, who only cares about himself.
Staying the Democratic nominee after tonight looks selfish.
Undercuts the about you, not me badly.
I mean, think about that!
Think about that!
I mean, here's a guy that is supportive openly of Joe Biden saying that all of a sudden now his argument about this is about himself.
Wow.
I mean, that's how far we've come since 9 o'clock last night.
It's just stunning, you know, to see what's actually going on here.
But also, let's take into account, nobody on the left media likes to talk about this.
But it's said more than many times.
And everybody says that Obama's running this third term and everything else.
Everybody forgets.
That Joe Biden was disrespected and cast off in many ways by Obama in 2016. They all but said, Joe, you know, we're with her, you know, kind of thing with Hillary.
They just basically, you know, told Joe, you know, these are stories that were all percolating in 16, 17 and everything else.
I don't think they've ever reconciled in many ways there.
I think that Obama's done the, I have to be the statesman and be the bigger, it's all come around.
But every time they're there, you see the pictures of Obama getting mobbed at the White House and you see Biden standing by himself.
That's just an image that they, you know, that the Biden, especially Jill Biden, and we have to remember this, Jill Biden.
Is the enabler here, okay?
And, you know, so I don't think, you know, this idea that the Obamas are behind getting him out or anything else, I think is a huge issue that they don't want to deal with.
Here's the part, though, and let's turn this a little bit.
I now see victory laps being done by every Trump surrogate, everybody, and it was.
It was a victory last night.
You won it.
And like you said earlier, I'm not sure that anybody will know what you said.
This was a Nixon-Kennedy debate and Nixon sweated and Joe Biden mumbled.
I mean, that's the basic way this went.
The question becomes now for Republicans.
My fear Is that the building momentum of Biden is an idiot, we're going to win hands down, nobody would vote for him, is going to fester even further.
And my fear is, is overconfidence starts running into this campaign, not necessarily from the top, not from Las Vidas and Wiles, but from surrogates and others That we take the eye off the ball.
We can't do that.
Is that a concern for you, Chip?
It is.
I mean, it naturally is because, yeah, I mean, look, races can never be over before voters start voting, right?
I mean, you know, I've learned a lot of things in this business, and things change throughout elections, but one thing that's always remained constant, And that's voters always make the rules.
It's not consultants.
It's not candidates.
It's not the media.
It's not spouses of candidates.
The voters always make the rules.
And so the voters hadn't started voting yet.
So yes, it is.
But I think, you know, Maybe even a greater concern is, you know, look, I think now he will be replaced, and I think he will agree to be replaced.
I mean, you know, whoever replaces him, and I don't know who it'll be, but they will have more energy.
They will bring more energy to the ticket, and that's not hard.
And so now all of a sudden you're going to have, but, you know, a byproduct of that is, you know, I've spoken to, you know, many people, well, not many people, but I've spoken to some people who, you know, aren't political and, you know, they're suburban college educated voters and they don't like Trump and they don't like Biden, right?
They're the double haters.
They're part of the double haters.
You know, they might consider voting for Biden, but I don't think those people would vote for Gavin Newsom.
I really don't.
And I don't know that Gavin Newsom is going to be the replacement.
What I'm saying is, if you're the Trump campaign, you just, you know, you just got to, you have to be prepared for all these different scenarios.
Yes.
What Democrat would willingly be what could be termed a sacrificial lamb in this cycle?
And I think Harris probably is the only one that they could probably talk into it, because if Newsom's smart, he stays out of this mess.
I mean, there's no riding in to save the Democratic Party here.
Gavin Newsom is far left, admittedly, than even Joe Biden.
The swing states of Georgia automatically goes off the map if Gavin Newsom is on the ticket.
I mean, I would think so.
I mean, I would think so, Doug.
Conventional wisdom would agree with that sentiment.
I think you lose.
Georgia goes off the map.
North Carolina goes off the map.
Virginia becomes dicey at best.
I think it's still the northern Virginia suburbs would pull that out for whoever, but it's still there.
Even a Wisconsin, a Minnesota, and a Michigan.
Think about that for a second.
You and I talk about this a lot, and people sometimes get frustrated with this.
I know I get frustrated with the issues of money and voter patterns and everything else, but they're true.
You have to do, just to simply make the change here is not simply make a change to a Newsom or a Moore out of Maryland or what's the, Brashear out of Kentucky.
I actually heard his name last night.
But they've also got to be willing to sacrifice themselves because they know if they lose this year, 28 for them is dead.
They don't have a chance in 28. This would be a sort of hold through.
But what does change in the dynamic ship that they would have to account for in the swing states?
Or do possibly a state that is not swinging now become swing with a new Democrat?
Well, but look...
Trump has broken the media, and he's also broken the Democratic Party.
Yeah.
I mean, let's face it.
I mean, the Democratic Party today looks nothing like it.
Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party look nothing like they did before Trump came on the political stage.
They look nothing like they did.
And we could have a discussion all day long about how Trump's made the Republican Party better in some areas and maybe not as good in others.
But that's neither here nor there.
He's made the Democratic Party worse.
Because I guarantee you, Doug, and you know this just as well as I do, there's not a majority of those delegates at the convention that are thinking what you just said, which is...
You know, can we get an Andy Beshear?
No, they're going to want somebody progressive.
Somebody that fights for identity politics.
That's who they are.
That's their DNA. They can't get away from that.
You know, they're not the party of James Carville, Roy Barnes, and Andy Beshear anymore.
They're just not.
Or Roy Cooper.
They're not.
I mean, those are outliers in the Democratic Party.
I mean, they're not mainstream Democrats.
And yeah, that would be the best type of candidate to put up against Trump, but I don't think there's any chance that it's going to have to be somebody that checks the identity politics box.
I mean, I like that because I think it gives us a good chance at winning.
And look, no matter who it is, Doug, they're going to embrace the same policies that this administration has.
Oh, exactly, exactly.
Also, I want to hit one last thing before, and I want to move on this as well, but on this issue of the convention, the Democrat, you have to remember, unlike...
And I'm saying this loosely, unlike the Republican delegates to the National Convention, Democrat delegates are very much proportioned by groups.
There's so many union people, there's so many teacher unions, labor unions, there's the diversity message in here.
So these are people who are locked into that more radical, liberal message.
Just like, frankly, okay, I'm gonna be honest, on the conservative side, you'll have far more conservative delegates at the Republican convention than you would in, say, your local Rotary meeting.
Our conservatives are mainly fractured.
They don't belong to a certain group necessarily.
The Democrats are though.
They go in with union cards and marching papers.
This is how we're going to vote and this is how we're going to do it.
I think it brings up a whole different map.
Do you see now Let's just say this continues.
Biden, you know, everybody freaks out in the first 24 hours, okay?
By this time next week, nothing really changes.
He goes back to his normal.
He goes to Delaware, the beach, and we're just croaking along.
And Democrats get the sense of, look, he's not leaving.
We've got to live with this.
Do you see a mass move of resources to Ohio, Montana, Arizona, Nevada?
Pennsylvania to save the Senate for Democrats.
You know, if that scenario that you just laid out manifests itself, yes.
But it's a fool's errand because, as you know, how many times, even in recent history, in competitive Senate races, when there's a presidential race on the ballot, Is there really a change in what happens at the top of the ticket and the race in the second?
Yes, it can happen mathematically, but to me, it's a fool's errand.
I don't know, Doug.
This feels different.
This one feels different.
I don't know that it's just going to go back.
I don't know that the Dems by next week...
I don't know that the Dems go back to where they were at 8.59 yesterday.
How do you walk away from the comments?
I think that's the question that comes here, Chip, and I think you just hit on something.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but you just hit on...
How does Scarborough walk back the comment, we've got to find somebody else?
How does Van Jones walk back the comment, we've got to find somebody else?
How does these media pit types, the Jeff Duncans, which, by the way, I haven't seen anything out of our...
Former Democratic Lieutenant Governor.
He's probably in a meeting with his life coach right now.
And also Adam Pentinger and all these others, Liz Cheney, you know, all these others.
And now they've tried to whistle back to what we've talked about before.
Oh, well, this is a threat to democracy.
You know, democracy is fine while we had it.
You know, again, that wasn't working before this debate.
It's not going to work after this debate, you know, going forward.
But, you know, that's the company.
You know, look, this is why I love Twitter and I hate Twitter.
Okay?
I love to look at the hot takes.
Don't get me wrong.
I mean, they're hilarious.
And the memes on this thing, I mean, my goodness.
You know, they were on fire today and last night.
But you don't want those back.
Especially in the op-eds like in the New York Times today.
You don't want those back.
110%.
You just hit the nail on the head.
And that's why Democrats, so many prominent Democrats, I think did what they did at 1030 to midnight last night.
You know, if they can somehow catch lightning in a bottle...
And right the ship between now and November.
I think between 10.30 and midnight Eastern time last night was the most pivotal 90 minutes in the elections for the Democrats because so many of them put themselves out there and you can't walk those statements back.
Even Jen Psaki.
Yeah.
Think about this.
Even Jen Psaki was talking about the replace.
So you can't.
And so now all these people are going to be going, hey, guys, we want to be we're going to support the dim ticket.
You know, President Biden, if you decide to stay, we're going to do what we can.
But remember, they now have all of these things that we all said and we all tweeted and we all talked about during this time period.
So How do we walk those back?
You can't walk that back because it's not like the problems that existed last night that can be fixed.
They're only gonna get worse.
And I would just Google the David Muir interview with Joe Biden at Normandy.
It was three weeks ago, but it looked a lot like what we saw last night.
And it's just who he is right now.
That's just who Joe Biden is.
And look, I can't say it enough.
Give Donald Trump credit for getting out of the way last night.
Yes, I agree.
Completely.
He saw early on what the rest of us saw.
And he, you know, I mean, he said, look, I'm not going to make news of this debate.
I'm going to let I'm gonna let the guy eight feet to the left of me be the news and he did and that takes an incredible amount of discipline and I mean he deserves all the credit in the world for it because it's not in Trump's DNA to do that and for an hour and a half He let that debate be about Joe Biden.
And that's what should have happened.
And it did.
And as a result, everybody in the political world is talking about Joe Biden today and not Donald Trump.
Exactly.
And I think that's the most...
And now you're going to go into an interesting contrast.
Biden's going to go to North Carolina in a small crowd to, you know, grouping, you know, that's not going to look very good in North Carolina that's not going to look very good in North Carolina to a massive Virginia Chesapeake rally at three o'clock this afternoon with Donald Trump.
And it's just going to play this scenario out further and further of what we've been seeing.
But now, instead of the Democrats being able to sort of wash it off, they're going to have to They can't wash it off.
They can't say that the small crowd, you know, because again, you think about Philadelphia.
Biden and Harris went to Philadelphia and had to do half an arena.
Basically, Donald Trump went, I don't think it was the same arena, but basically the same size, and filled it up.
No halving it.
You know, so I think this is, I mean, this is going to become a long-term issue, you know, for them as they have to go through I guess we'll just have to see how it all flows out from here.
This is going to be a problem.
I think it's going to be a down ticket problem that they're going to have to deal with.
And you hit it.
We both hit it.
How you walk back these diehard surrogates who've all said, hey, we've got to change this.
And then the massive issue it takes...
You know, and the Democrats have set themselves up on this democracy front.
They keep saying, oh, we need democracy.
And now they're going against democracy by taking out the very candidate that the Democrats picked, you know, wanting to take out the very candidate the Democrats picked in the primary.
I mean, you talk about hypocrisy.
Oh, it is all over the place, and it couldn't happen to a better party.
Yeah, I can't believe it.
Well, look, a lot of things going on today.
James has been joining us as well, but we had to get in this debate topic.
I mean, next week on Friday's Finest, we'll probably pick back up with the issue of Bronny and LeBron in L.A., so much for their title hoops for next year.
And a lot of other, France has now taken over the NBA. You have Panama beating the United States in Atlanta last night, not the only beatdown that happened last night in soccer.
It was at the CNN Center.
It was also at Mercedes-Benz.
And James brought up the fact that we lost to Japan in football.
I... I'm sorry.
I can't.
I mean, that to me is almost, you know, undiscussable after the Biden thing last night.
We just can't go there with that as we go.
But folks, a lot of things going on.
Chip, thanks for the input.
James, thanks for all the help as well.
We get ready for next week on 4th of July.
Coming up in the next few weeks, we've got Lee Zeldin on, we've got Bruce Thompson on, we're gonna have Patrick Murphy on, former Democrat from Pennsylvania, is gonna be on with us, former State Admiral, talking about a lot of things, but we're also gonna have Friday's Finest, got a lot of political left is up.
And just think, folks, we're 130 days away from an election, I think it is, something like that.
Chip, Last word, where do you think we are when we do Friday's Finest next Friday?
I mean, last week we were saying, this is going to be the most watched.
Now, a week from today, 4th of July weekend, what do you think?
I think there will be leaks about internal discussions within the White House on an exit strategy.
Yep.
It'll be interesting to see how they actually do that.
We'll see.
Look, folks, I think they're going to have this conversation.
I don't think you see Joe Biden after today.
Would not overly shock me they canceled today's rally in North Carolina, but I think they have to go through with it.
And then you won't see Joe Biden until, if you see him at all, you'll see him after the 4th of July.
I think he makes zero public appearances, zero questions, zero anything for the next 10 to 15 days after this.
I just, I don't see how you can bring him back out as we go forward.
With that, folks, that's another Friday's Finest here.
The day after the debate, Atlanta came, and I did see a funny one, because you have to remember Georgia politics, and this is something that would be for people to...
I saw an interesting tweet last night that said the Democrats hadn't had as bad a day in Georgia since Sherman came through Atlanta.
Wow.
That's about true from last night.
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