Tim Pool analyzes Turning Point USA's low Athens attendance, contrasting Candace Owens' claims with JD Vance's security protocols to expose perceived hypocrisy. He argues Trump's policy shifts on glyphosate and FISA have alienated young libertarians, fracturing the MAGA coalition beyond its loyal base. While conspiracy theories about Epstein files and moon landings surface, Pool concludes that cultural victories under Biden might make a Democratic midterm win preferable, signaling a complex realignment where regime change fears clash with disillusionment over betrayed principles. [Automatically generated summary]
Last night, Erica Kirk announced that she would be canceling her appearance at a Turning Point USA event due to security threats.
Candace Owens has accused her of dropping out because of low ticket sales.
At the same time, we're seeing articles pop up all over the place saying MAGA is dead.
For a while, they were saying it was a civil war.
Now they're saying MAGA's dead, citing examples like Donald Trump backing glyphosate, Donald Trump starting a war with Iran, and now Donald Trump fighting to extend the FISA bill.
That's the Foreign Surveillance Act that he said before was used against him.
Last night, Tom Rens on the show says, We want MAGA back.
Well, it doesn't seem like that's going to come back anytime soon.
Trump seems to have changed on many of his core positions.
The argument now is that low attendance at this turning point event was due to the fact that young people feel conned.
No Epstein files, new wars, some of the biggest issues that they voted on, well, they feel betrayed.
Now, the mega base, those that back Trump say this is exactly what Trump has always promised.
Though, to be fair, with bringing on RFK Jr., I don't think glyphosate was included, including, and not to mention, with Donald Trump saying end FISA, now he's saying protect FISA, and of course, no new wars.
Yeah, a lot of people feel like the key issues that they wanted did not come about.
Now, the question is does this fall into the Fell for It Again award category?
Now, this meme is used by liberals to mock Trump supporters saying you fell for it again.
The only thing is, Trump actually does have many accomplishments, which I think we should not ignore.
Notably, woke has been routed.
Donald Trump said in his second term he was going to end government contracting in DEI.
Okay, well, major cultural victory there.
There are a few other issues that I think people often want to support Donald Trump for.
The border is secure, he has fought very hard on tariffs, but there are key cultural issues that Reached the forefront in political discourse that many people feel he didn't quite make it.
Which brings me to this video, which we'll kick everything off with.
This is last night's event where JD Vance, the sitting vice president, was coming to speak.
And estimates range to about 1,000, maybe 2,000 people showed up for a stadium that was supposed to have a capacity of 25,000.
Let me show you this video and then we'll get started on what this all means.
And the question is is MAGA dead?
My friends, I don't think MAGA is dead, but the coalition may be.
The response to this video is that this was filmed at doors, this is not filmed during the actual event, except you can hear JD Vance speaking.
Well, the theory is this guy or someone faked the video by overlaying audio from later.
Till now, and they're claiming no one's actually sitting in the chairs.
Well, I can only tell you this there are other photos that show it is sparsely attended.
The question then is where is all of the support?
And guys, I think it's fair to say the momentum is breaking down.
Young people are pissed.
You can't ignore it.
What I will also add, I want to stress this to my friends.
When people are saying MAGA is dead, MAGA is Trump's core base.
He will never lose these people.
Facts.
This is what they were saying in the first term.
They were saying it, you know, when Biden got elected.
Trump will never lose his base.
But what gets Trump elected is a coalition, including libertarians, moderates, former liberals, et cetera.
Disaffected liberals who might want to go back to the Democratic Party, to be completely honest.
So when Trump says MAGA loves me, well, take a look at this image from the event.
You can see that it is sparsely attended.
Now, again, the comments from people is that, but this is before JD Vance was speaking.
Well, there are other photos too.
I think we have this right here.
This is a close up shot from the press that was published during the event when JD Vance and Colvette were speaking.
And you can see the back of the stadium, it is largely empty.
Turning Point booked a massive stadium and they did not fill it.
What does that mean?
Well, honestly, you guys tell me in the comments what you think this means, but.
Let's get started at the beginning.
Erica Kirk, the attacks against her, the change in sentiments, how it's evolved, where we are today, and the question is MAGA actually dead?
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And as we're looking at this major fracturing of MAGA or whatever you think is happening, certainly everybody is at, well, I don't want to say they're at war with each other, but people who are once friends are now enemies.
And that's kind of where we're going with this story.
So let's start here.
From the Daily Wire Turning Point USA explains why Erica Kirk was forced to skip.
The event with JD Vance.
They say, Erica Kirk was scheduled to appear at a Turning Point USA event at the University of Georgia on Tuesday night, but was forced to stay home after receiving what organizers described as very serious threats.
Vice President JD Vance still moved forward with his planned appearance and delivered remarks to students at the event, which proceeded as scheduled with Turning Point USA leader Andrew Colvitt taking Kirk's place.
Vance addressed Erica Kirk's absence at the start, saying he had been concerned that the event might be canceled.
He said he spoke with the Secret Service and ultimately told Kirk to do what she needs to do for herself and her family.
A Turning Point USA official told the Daily Wire late Tuesday that the organization's security had been monitoring threats to Kirk in the days leading up to the Athens event.
Kirk's travel location was doxxed numerous times, and people were trying to track her arrival and departure, the official said, noting that there were multiple direct threats against Kirk herself specifically.
This ultimately led to her security assessments that they couldn't guarantee her safety.
The event venue itself was fine, especially once VP was on site.
But it was the travel portion that was of chief concern.
Her children are one parent away from being orphans, so we take security assessments and advice seriously.
Erica Kirk posted an X during the event saying that after all our family has been through, I take my security team's recommendations seriously.
And then we have this on Reddit r slash murdered by words.
What does that mean?
They're insinuating that Candace Owens roasted Erica Kirk with this takedown.
Candace Owens.
She posted on X. Stop.
This is exhausting.
You pulled out because of bad ticket sales.
For the same reason, TP Faith had to reschedule the pastor's summit and various other events quietly.
People don't believe you and don't line up for you because you struggle to tell the truth about even the most basic facts.
Where is the video of Charlie appointing you as CEO weeks before his death?
The Secret Service sits above your security team.
Were there actually a viable threat, the vice president would not have continued the event.
Your closest threat.
Is the ish public relations team you hired that continues to operate under the delusion they are smarter than the public?
They aren't.
Oh boy, murdered by words, they said.
That's how they describe it.
We have this post from Carrie Pregene Bowler who said, After all our family has been through, do you mean after your husband was assassinated in front of the world?
This is so weird.
I can't stand any of this psychotic nonsense.
I'll say this.
I got no problem pointing out, guys, the turning point event was dead.
You can be mad at me all you want, but don't shoot the messenger.
Trump defended.
Do I have all this stuff pulled up?
Texas Farm Bureau.
Trump issues executive order on glyphosate.
Maha just.
I'm going to avoid swearing.
They just dropped a brick.
We'll say it like that.
Yo, this is the antithesis of MAHA.
For those that don't know what glyphosate is, it's a desiccant.
They spray on crops to dry them out faster so they can get them to market faster.
And the MAHA Corps views this as poisoning our food supply.
Donald Trump came out issuing an executive order prioritizing U.S. production of glyphosate, citing the herbicide's critical use to national security.
Thus, Maha is apoplectic.
But wait, there's more.
Donald Trump, this is just today, arguing for an extension of FISA.
Check this out.
Posting the X, Lauren Boebert says, no way.
House leadership is still trying to ram through a clean FISA extension with zero forms, zero warrants, and zero accountability.
This is the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Donald Trump had previously said we needed to end this because it was used against him.
My friends, not to mention you have the war with Iran.
Now, I actually think Trump's got a larger plan here, but I can point to these things and say if you are coming to me and you are arguing that I'm wrong about all of this, I think you need to take a closer look at what is going on.
The libertarians who back Trump are out Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn, Tim Dillon.
I mean, Tim Dillon had a, I saw this clip from him.
I want to be careful here because I don't know the context.
But it was a clip where he was saying that MAGA was a con the whole time.
You are losing the middle.
So people aren't going to be showing up.
I think what we're seeing from young people is that they don't trust that the culture war issues they had focused on, Trump was going to deliver on.
Now I'm going to say this USAID's shuttering and reconfiguration into a smaller organization under Marco Rubio, fantastic.
This is the liberal economic order, WEF garbage, being struck down.
Securing the border, tariffs, U.S. manufacturing.
I think Trump has done many good things.
And if Trump successfully cuts off China from their energy supply with the Strait of Hormuz, that's going to greatly benefit the United States.
You don't have to argue the morality.
I'm not arguing that.
I'm just saying these things will benefit the United States.
But for a lot of the culture warriors, young people who entered the fray, they saw a turning point.
They were inspired by Charlie, and Charlie is gone.
So I will say this.
Charlie Kirk's death.
I asked this question, and boy, did they get mad.
I said, Can they survive without Charlie Kirk?
In fact, the way I actually said it wasn't a question, I said, There are people who fear turning point will not make it without Charlie.
Charlie was turning point, turning point was Charlie.
But don't get me wrong, there's a lot of people who work there who do a great job.
Erica Kirk is certainly trying, and you just Charlie had that magic.
That's why they killed him.
Now, again, when I say they, you say, Who is they, though?
Well, honestly, I don't know.
I believe Tyler Robinson.
Most likely is the suspect.
I believe that the official story is likely not the full picture.
I believe that this man, if he did do it, I don't believe the shooter acted alone.
I believe we have evidence that other people had foreknowledge of what was going to happen and there was a motive to stop Charlie Kirk.
Now, without Charlie, Turning Point seems to be having a rough go of things.
But I'm going to throw it to Candace and give her all the credit.
And I'm going to say credit.
For those that don't like Turning Point, don't want Republicans to win, Candace has been a boon, a godsend.
I will get into the minutiae a little bit and address this though.
Candace is attacking Erica Kirk saying she pulled out because of bad sales.
You know, to be honest, I don't think it's all that unreasonable.
I'll put it like this.
How would you feel, right?
If you booked a stadium, it's not an arena, sorry, it's 25,000, not 100, and only a few thousand people were going to attend, you'd be like, oh, am I going to travel, go through all this, and like the event's not even working?
You might be like, eh, not really interested.
I mean, that's how I'd feel.
I mean, I'd still go, but I get that.
That being said, let me tell you about the lies and the manipulations of Candace Owens.
When she says, and they play this game, right?
The reason I highlighted this other tweet where it's like, that's so weird.
Weird is the word they use to signal to women that it is out of line with social order because this is.
Largely the female motivator.
No, ladies, I'm not trying to disparage you, but women are motivated by social cues.
That's why Candace Owens has a Stanley Cup on her desk when she does her show.
It's a signal to women this is the socially acceptable show for women.
Candace Owens is an anti vaxxer.
She has targeted the MAGA base.
This brought in about nine or 10 million votes for Donald Trump, which put him over the edge.
They are now breaking away from Trump and the right, largely.
Let's be real Trump, the glyphosate thing, that's big.
Look, you might like Trump, but that's a nuclear bomb for Maha.
Before they even announced this, like the reasoning, people were like, why would the vice president go, but Erica Kirk wouldn't?
And my response was, because transit may have been the threat and she's a single parent, like they're concerned about her safety more so than JD Vance.
She doesn't have Secret Service.
I mean, that's just the first thing I think of.
And that's exactly what they said it was Erica Kirk transporting to the event was the security risk.
And our security team said, I don't think we can guarantee your security.
You know why I, this one is, this one's personal to me.
When Charlie Kirk was killed, they announced his funeral.
It was going to be this big event.
And I was invited to attend, along with the likes of the vice president and so many of my friends and people in the space.
And I wish I could have gone.
And there's a reason why I couldn't have gone.
I get death threats like crazy.
I think I get more death threats than a lot of people.
And it's probably because I'm antagonistic on X and I post crazy things, but whatever, I do it to myself to a certain degree.
I'm not going to blame myself for the fact that making a joke results in someone wanting to kill me, but they do.
In the span of a couple of years at our old location, we've been swatted something like 13 times.
The bomb squad came out several times.
We had credible threats.
When it came to travel for this event, we had credible threats.
I have been in contact with the FBI over these credible threats.
We have had people posting videos making direct threats to kill me and my family.
I contacted, let me give you an example of what a credible threat is.
I get threats all the time, I ignore them.
A credible threat.
We were in the castle.
This is a few years ago.
This is, it's crazy how long it's been, you know, when we're at the old studio.
And in the middle of doing the show, I get, there's a knock on the door, and our security is there.
And they say, Did anyone, you know what?
I got it.
I got it.
I don't want to give away the security information on this one.
Let me keep it a little bit more vague.
They said, Can you confirm this detail?
And I said, Yes, that happened.
And it was seemingly innocuous.
And he went, Okay, we're evacuating right now.
I was like, Whoa, we have a bomb threat.
Someone sent in a bomb threat with information about a specific incident that occurred that was innocuous.
I don't want to go into detail, but over the weekend, we had done something seemingly innocuous but not public.
When I say innocuous, let me give you a facsimile.
Let me give you something likened to it.
We grilled burgers.
That's about it.
Something like that happened.
And someone called in a bomb threat saying, When Tim and his crew and family did this specific thing, I did this other thing at the same time.
Basically, insinuating that access to information no one should have, which could suggest they were present on the property without our knowledge.
So, we evacuated the building for several hours because it was a credible threat.
When it came to traveling to Arizona for this event, I did not go.
And the reason why is my security team said, Of course, it is possible.
Here's the cost.
Here's the plan.
And I said, Holy crap, I'm not doing this.
They said a few things that I'll get into.
I won't get into a lot of the core details because explaining our security plan compromises our security.
But they said, Here's what's going to have to go down.
I'm going to remove some of the security stuff and just say, you know, I can't explain everything.
But some of it was three guys will meet you at a black SUV, we'll drive to the airport, you will exit the SUV, those three guys will walk you in.
Bring you to the TSA checkpoint where they will have tickets for the flight.
They will fly with you.
When they land, they will walk you out where there will be three guys waiting in an SUV to drive you to the hotel.
In that hotel, they will stand outside your hotel room the entire time you're there.
We recommend not leaving.
You will then be transported with three bodyguards in a vehicle through the building, brought in.
And I said, And how much is this going to cost?
There are a few other details to it.
And I was like, I can't do this.
That's likely what happened with Erica Kirk.
They probably said, We can get you there, but you're going to need three vehicles.
Just, just, I want, I want you to imagine you're in this position.
You set up this big event with the vice president, ticket sales are abysmal, and then you have to be just brought in by armed guards in this big show of force.
It's, it's, it's a nightmare.
Would you not also be depressed?
Just like, I, I, I, I can't do this anymore.
I, I wonder if Erica Kirk is just like, I don't want to do this.
I'll tell you what my thoughts are.
I know Erica not particularly well, but.
My assessment is that after Charlie's death, they have this hundred plus million dollar network organizations, powerful interests and donors probably said, Who's taking over?
And they said, It has to be a Kirk.
It has to be Erica.
It can't be Colvet.
It can't be any, like, who are these guys, you know?
It's got to be someone with some connection.
And they asked her to do it.
And she probably agreed to.
Well, she literally did.
Here she is.
And now she's being attacked mercilessly.
No matter what she does, it's wrong.
No matter what she does, it's crazy.
But here's the thing I know we're supposed to be talking about next question is Mega Dead, but I want to say this.
Candace Owens' evolution.
First, she was very nice to Erica because you could not attack the widow.
Now she's just beating the crap out of Erica publicly nonstop.
We're going to lose the midterms.
The Democrats are going to win.
It's going to be because of Candace Owens.
Not entirely, but largely.
She built and amassed a large following attacking Erica Kirk because, to be honest, the political space is kind of dead right now.
There's not a lot going on.
People are demoralized, they're largely checking out.
Well, for me, I'm just kind of here to tell you what I see happening, right?
The American conservative says MAGA is dead.
Newsweek says, Was this the week MAGA died?
And we have this video from Dave Smith talking with, I believe it's Professor Jang and Sneeko.
I think this video is very important.
A lot of people are making fun of Dave.
I have some critiques of his statement, but I think it's worth listening to, at least a little bit.
You know, when it comes to voting, right, like there's, again, voting is like a strategic thing.
That's what voting is about.
It's like you have this little bit of, a tiny little shred of authority over one election and then nothing else.
That's just the hand you're dealt.
And so, what's your strategy there?
Now, there are arguments all around.
I mean, look, there is an argument that we'd be better off if Kamala Harris was president today.
At this point, that's not that.
Tough of an argument, and part, at least for me, of the best, strongest argument that we'd be better off with Kamala Harris is just that the whole resistance would still be the resistance.
So I want to pause real quick before he goes, and I want to add that I half agree.
I half agree.
If his argument is that everything would be the same, but you'd at least still have a large right that is coalesced around stopping these things, you have the cultural victory.
I do agree.
However, I have to stress, not only would we still have all these wars, People would be in jail.
Children would be getting sex changes.
I have to say, there is no strong argument that we would be better off.
We'd be worse off, but we'd have cultural resistance.
And then all of a sudden, you started having things like the Bud Light boycott and the Target boycott.
And I mean, Elon Musk bought Twitter in those years.
Like, there were a few major factors that happened.
But anyway, look, I think there is an argument that the best thing right now is that the Democrats win the midterm elections because the Republicans just have.
To be punished for this.
Like, it's there's got to be a message that, like, you do this, there is a cost to it.
But what I will give Dave that he's right about when Democrats were in power, when Biden won, the right unified against their cultural endeavors and won the battles where they could.
Not in office, not with law.
They went after Trump, they went after Trump supporters, but culturally, the right pushed back against censorship, shut down the weird woke stuff.
Boycotted these companies, but now that's all fracturing because when the right took political power, Trump failed on several key issues.
Even if that means we have to give ourselves the Democrats in Congress.
But giving ourselves the Democrats in Congress is a different thing than, say, like giving the Democrats the White House and both chambers of Congress where now they can go crazy with their agenda.
So, like, but I just kind of think the Democrats are going to win anyway.
So, I don't really, I'm not signing up to vote for no Democrats.
You know what I mean?
Like, I just, I don't know if I'll ever put my name, like, if I'll ever vote for a major party candidate again unless, like, Thomas Massey or someone like that runs.
I've never looked at Donald Trump as a messianic figure.
He's just a guy who's slightly better.
I didn't vote for him in 2016 nor Hillary Clinton because I viewed them both miserably.
Probably agree with Dave on a lot of these things.
And I actually think Dave would be the best candidate.
And a bunch of Trump guys, they share this clip where I was saying when I was in Austin that if I had to vote for a president, it'd be Dave Smith, even though I disagreed with a lot of things.
The reason why, well, the funny thing is I think Dave, Dave, I'm going to say this if you hear this.
We can both admit that if you became president, you'd have a cold wake up call when the intelligence file slammed on your desk and you learn all the things you did not know that was classified.
But in terms of a real guy that's going to focus on America First issues, I think that's going to be Dave Smith more than anybody else.
I'm not saying he, listen, listen, I'm going to say it again.
Dave is not anybody's savior.
He could have been the front runner, but libertarians aren't going to win anyway.
What the libertarians can do is apply pressure so that they can say, we'll give you our 3% in exchange for something.
And RFK Jr. getting in was fantastic.
The parting of Ross Holbrook was great.
You know, it's one thing, but I'm glad to see that that happened.
It was good.
Trump kept his word.
Ultimately, I think, you know, it would have been great if Dave stayed in the race, dropped out, endorsed Trump, and then got a cabinet position because this could have prevented a lot.
But I'm going to be honest with you, and I say this for Dave as well.
I think the reality, the truth, when you guys actually get into that seat of power, you realize just how strung up you really are.
Yeah, I think Dan got in there and saw what was behind the curtain and went, oh crap.
I think Trump got in there, saw behind the curtain, and said, oh crap.
And you can call it any conspiracy theory you want.
But I wonder if the reality is every time Tulsi Gabbard, come on.
She's working for Trump while Trump's starting a regime change war?
Tulsi Gabbard must have saw behind the curtain and said, Oh crap.
I'm a realist, guys.
I try to be pragmatic, reasoned, dispassionate as often as I can.
Although I rant and get angry about many things, on calculating probabilities and what I think is going to occur, I try to be dispassionate.
I think the reality is this I think we as a generation have post intervention stress disorder.
These regime change wars have failed us in a lot of ways.
We have also been propagandized mercilessly, so it's hard to know what is.
There's a recursive propaganda loop where one generation propagandizes the next, creating a network of idiots.
We grew up living in a world where we believe the news is true, but the truth is probably so far removed from what is actually happening, we're clueless.
We are built upon generations of propaganda.
From the Civil War to the Federal Reserve to World War I and II, we are always told what to believe and why.
There was a US Department of Censorship.
So, I think what happens for a lot of these guys is they get into the office, they are given the security briefing and intelligence, and then they realize everything they thought is just the inverse of what actually is.
I think that's true for Trump right now.
The story of Trump and the Iran war is interesting because, regardless of what you think is or should be happening, there are facts.
China just lost access to half of its energy, though Trump is arguing he's reopening the strait.
Venezuela is under U.S. influence, Cuba is sanctioned on the verge of collapse, Iran's government's been blown up.
Now, Trump was supposed to be the not war president, but could it be that we have been propagandized by a political machine from Democrat and Republican trying to steal power so much that we actually don't even know what's close to reality?
The story goes we mock North Korea, we make fun of them, we say that they live under the boot of a dictator and they don't even know it's true.
They believe all these lies.
Maybe that's the same for us as well.
We've been swimming in so much propaganda that things that are obviously false to those who have access to the intelligence are presumed to be true by the general public.
The moon landing is a good example.
The theory goes that it never happened.
It was a sound stage, and the government did it to terrorize the Soviets.
Like, literally, to make them think that we could make bombs that would go to the moon and blow them up, and that we had better capabilities than they did.
What if that's true?
The general public thinks we went to the moon.
From there, you have decades of trying to maintain a moon lie.
Now, people are largely not believing it.
I think we went to the moon, guys.
I really do.
I think we did.
I think this is a justification for a massive weapons program.
To build the most powerful rockets at the time and basically send a message to the world that we can launch a bomb into space, put it on the moon, and then blow you up with it.
You can't, as a government, go to the people and say, We want to build a moon bomb.
So, you say, we want to do great things for mankind.
Wouldn't it be great?
We're explorers.
And then everyone cheers for it.
They agree with it.
We spend the money on it.
And the real plan is we want to develop weapons like crazy.
So, here's the thing.
Let's say it's true the moon landing was faked.
This is just an example of my point.
From that point on, the US government says, let's stage this thing so we can scare the Russians, the Soviets.
The American people believe it.
10 years later, the American people say, We want to go to the moon.
And you go, Yeah, we'll do it again.
And they do.
Now, 40, 50 years on, the people are saying, Why haven't we gone to the moon?
You get Artemis II.
Now, truth be told, guys, I think we went to the moon.
I think people just exaggerate the difficulty.
For our degree of technology, it seems rudimentary.
Fire a rocket.
We have rockets, I've seen them.
You can make little ones.
And then you calculate the path of the moon and you lead the target and you go and you wrap around or whatever you're going to do.
My point is simply that we know propaganda is real, we know the government has lied to us, but those lies become history.
So, what happens when the propaganda that you launched in an effort to get us into a war turns into a history that persists for generations and children grow up believing that propaganda to be true?
Then that child grows up, gets a job in the CIA or in deep intelligence agencies working at the Pentagon, and they say, oh, by the way, here's the real history.
We made that up, we made that up, we made that up.
This was us.
That thing that Alex Jones is talking about, actually, we gave it to him.
But things like that probably are how it really goes.
And that means, Dave, buddy, come on.
If you or I or anybody else actually got in the office, we'd disappoint everyone.
Because you'd get in there and they'd slide you the paper and be like, here's what actually happened.
So we asked these questions about Epstein.
I'd like the answers, but I can't just be angry.
I don't know.
I wanna know, but what if it's like Epstein was, you know, just come up with a million and one, you know, reasons for why they wouldn't wanna release the Epstein files?
He was blackmailing powerful world leaders, and he has a dead man switch that if they ever reveal anything, a random person who's a confidant of Epstein who is in the files will release incriminating evidence or I can make up a million to one reasons.
Let's say you get in office and Dan Bongino goes, okay, the first thing we got to do is this Epstein stuff.
And they say, Dan, three guys on the Epstein list have zero day exploits that will take down the U.S. economy if we release this.
We're being blackmailed.
If you expose them, the U.S. economy collapses overnight.
Okay, what do we do?
We can't do anything.
I'm not saying that's true.
I'm just saying the reason why I think we are let down by Dan Bongino or Cash is because once they get in, they go, oh.
Yeah, the things you can actually do, you are constrained.
I wish it were so simple.
I wish it were so easy.
You tell me why Donald Trump flipped on these key issues like FISA, the Iran war.
Well, to be fair, the Iran war, Trump said he would not allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon.
So I don't think that's fair to count.
But glyphosate and FISA, those are big.
All I can say is this I don't know about Turning Point, but it does seem like the steam is gone.
And it could just be that we're in this cycle.
Guys, why didn't people show up to a Turning Point event?
It's warm out.
You know, they went to hang out with their friends, watch movies, and just relax for once.
We have been so strung up for so long.
You know, I get people hitting me up being like, Tim, is your engagement down?
And I'm like, in some areas, but I think for the most part, like we've been doing pretty good.
I think we're fairly lucky here at Timcast.
One of our episodes, our episode from two days ago, got over a million, over a million views.
A couple weeks before that, another million.
We've been actually doing really well, surprisingly.
We've been doing like 700K.
I was mentioning before that our views had dipped a little bit, but in the past month, they've been.
Popping up like crazy.
I wonder what it is.
Honestly, some people are seeing a big hit.
We're actually doing pretty dang well and a bunch of stuff in the works.
So I'm pretty excited.
I wonder if it's just that, you know, if you tied yourself to one core issue that people have broken upon, like they're fragmenting from, you're going to see an audience hit.
You're going to see a decline in momentum.
Maybe people just don't want to just scream about politics 24 7 for 10 years.
Maybe for once they want to put on some swim trunks, go to the beach, and just have a cheeseburger.
Guys, You know what?
More than anything, you know what I like to do?
Maybe I'll do it this weekend.
Go to the beach, get the grill going, make some burgers, get some cheddar cheese, nice cheddar cheese, some pickles, some grilled onions, and mustard.