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Jan. 15, 2026 - The Culture War - Tim Pool
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Trump Threatens To Use The INSURRECTION ACT, Civil War Is HERE ft. Viva Frei

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Well, Viva, I had to bring you in.
Obviously, I imagine you saw all the carnage last night.
We had a lot of reporting.
You know, we were seeing weapons stolen from federal vehicles.
We were seeing documents seized and being read off on live streams.
The question that everyone's asking, the debate is over the Insurrection Act.
Is it time to sort of enact the Insurrection Act?
Obviously, the last time was with George H.W. Bush running the LA rides.
I was wondering what your take is on that as far as is it time and maybe more generally what the situation in Minnesota is saying about the moment we're in and sort of the left's, you know, if the left still feels like they can operate with impunity or not.
It's the sort of the lose-lose of being on the right or being a conservative or being Trump.
It's they want him to invoke the Insurrection Act so they can then say this solidifies his rule as the authoritarian that we always said he was.
And so they need him to do it.
And so they need to provoke it and act in a way that makes him do it.
So they can then say, look at what an authoritarian is.
I think at this point in time, the obvious answer is yes, it's justified.
It's justified by Tim Walz' own words, which it's wild.
Like when you're talking about war and we've never been at war with the federal government, other than the fact that the idiot seems to be, you know, forgetting about the whole civil war thing.
And it's not just like a state fighting federal overreach and it's not like it's a state fighting for secession.
This is a state fighting for the, I'll put them in quotes, the rights of illegal aliens and arguably invaders.
I mean, this is arguably, but not arguably, a state saying we are now siding with foreign invaders to fight federal law and federal law enforcement.
So it's obvious that he would be justified in doing it.
That'll never satisfy the left who will say he's unjustified in using it and he's the authoritarian that we've been warning about.
And look at this.
He's acting like Hitler declaring emergency powers.
But at some point, I mean, this is insanity.
It's insanity.
And you have state absence of law enforcement and you have state governors fomenting what is nothing shy of seditious insurrection in the true meaning of the words.
Yeah.
I mean, because you're getting this general mood across the right.
And I mean, it's almost a cliche at this point where people say, well, I'm, you know, it doesn't matter if they call you racist anymore because they don't mean it.
But yeah, I understand the impulse from a lot of people where they're like, you know, maybe they want the Insurrection Act.
Again, it kind of gives them sort of some, you know, it solidifies their narrative that Trump is, again, this authoritarian or whatever.
But on the flip side, it's one of those things.
It's like, they kind of already think that he's this fascist, you know, dictator anyway.
At this point, we kind of have to worry about our own affairs, our own interests, and quell this.
I mean, this is just absolutely, I was making point.
We didn't even really see this kind of stuff during the summer of love.
I mean, it was insane.
There was buildings being burned down.
But as far as like breaking, stealing weapons and seizing documents and reading it off on live streams, I mean, it's insane.
You've had people opening fire on ICE agents.
I mean, accidentally killing illegals, which is the ultimate irony of their stupidity.
The reality is, yeah, they're going to say, they say he's an authoritarian already.
They already liken him to dictators of the past.
It's at this point.
History will be written by the victors and Trump had better make sure to be the victor.
And in five years from now, they'll look back on this the way we now look back on the summer of love and say yeah, CHAP Chaws, CHAP Chaws, CHOP AND CHAZ, and these autonomous zones.
It was insanity.
It was the highest crime that America had had in recent memory.
Uh, and nobody looks back on it really with fond or adoring memories.
This is, this is next level, and the problem is you need to make an example of the politicians who are egging it on and and they've got their useful idiots and or I say they're useless idiots.
They've got their idiots who are hearing their political permission slip and running with it and it's getting people killed.
And you need to make an example not only of law and order on the streets and enforcement of federal immigration law.
It went from sanctuary cities to fighting openly with ice agents or federal law enforcement.
I mean it's it's, it's the Overton window that's moving so far to the left.
Now they're not only normalizing undocumented migrants, which are illegal aliens, now they're normalizing not just sanctuary cities but overt war with federal law enforcement harassing stalking doxing, etc.
You need to make an example of the people who break the law and you need to make an example of the politicians who give the political permission slip to their useful, useless idiots to go out in the streets and think that they are morally and righteously justified in violence and doxing and calling for violence against these ice agents.
Absolutely, you made an interesting point there regarding the, the Overton Window, because you know the sentiment on the right is well, the Overton Window is sort of expanding on the right, like it's expanding, you know, in favor of of, you know sort of different conservative opinions and these sorts of things.
But I think it's just expanding in general.
Because how do you see a quote from Tim Waltz where he's saying they're going door to door and forcing people to turn in their neighbors of color?
How do you see a quote like that and not think this guy is effectively at least inciting some sort of reaction to ice?
That that's.
You're putting a target on their back when you say something like that.
Well, I mean, the Overton Window is moving, it's great.
So you know, people on the right are using the word retarded, now free.
Great, that that's.
That's, that's one element of, you know, the push and the pull of of language and the use of language.
But the Overton Window, I mean it is wild where the left has gotten so violent and extreme that I I don't even know where the the middle is anymore.
But it's become normalized where, oh yeah, fight ice.
It's like the new Che Guevara shirt and and now that has been normalized in the eye of the populace, uh.
But the bottom line is, I mean, the people who are not just egging this on, instigating it.
Jacob Fry um, and I hate the fact that his name just sounds like half of my last name, you know, get the f out of Ice.
Yeah, when does a, when does a mayor?
He's a, he's a.
Yeah, he's the mayor.
When does a mayor have the right to basically tell federal law enforcement what federal laws they can enforce?
I mean, I appreciate state autonomy and you don't want a federal overreach of the federal government sure, but you see how it's gone from sanctuary cities.
We won't collaborate with ICE, we won't provide information to ICE, to we will actively fight ICE.
And now you're telling them to get the hell out.
I mean, holy Hell, they should be locked up.
Tim Walz and Jacob Fry should be locked up.
And there is no shortage of laws with which to do it.
If you want to talk about inciting an insurrection, I was going to pull the Chuck Schumer and say, inciting the erection.
You want to talk about inciting an insurrection and you want to talk about seditious conspiracies.
They're saying the quiet part out loud.
And they think they're at war with ICE.
Well, then war you shall have.
Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war, whatever the heck the Shakespearean expression is.
Go after them with the full force of the law now.
It's seditious.
It is openly calling for violence and it's actually resulting in violence.
And oddly enough, the death of their own citizens, but what do they care about that?
They're just going to be the martyrs for their own extremism going forward.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I sympathize with people, especially after what we endured through COVID and these sorts of things, who when they see expanded federal power, they get a little queasy, they get a little nervous.
I completely sympathize.
I understand.
And in some cases, I'm like, yeah, that's a good point.
You know, maybe I didn't look at it that way.
But in this instance, where you quite literally have people that are openly declaring that they want to effectively overturn the results of the last election, they want to impede sort of the mass deportation operation, which was widely popular.
That's what, I mean, like the RNC, they had, were waving signs that said mass deportation.
Now, like, that is the staple, really, of the Trump campaign.
Again, these are policies that are popular.
Like, the majority of Americans support certainly deportation of all illegal immigrants, but based off of a lot of polling we're seeing.
So there's a difference between, you know, like a state operating, you know, with some autonomy and these sorts of things.
There's a difference between that and the mayor of a city literally siding with people that are openly declaring sort of these insurrectionist ideas.
I mean, I just don't know how people can't see that distinction.
Well, you're right.
People should be afraid of not just federal overreach, government overreach.
But there's a difference between federal overreach and lawlessness at the city and state level.
This is lawlessness at the state and city level.
And it's funny to, first of all, ignore the fact that there were more illegals deported under, I don't want to say Biden because I'm not sure, but certainly under Obama and I believe under Clinton.
It's not even a question now of opposing deportation because there have been more deportations in the past.
This is a question of promoting lawlessness and promoting and facilitating an invasion of a country.
You like it or not.
And there are obviously going to be stories of tragedy and it's going to look bad from an optics perspective.
But disciplining a child always looks bad from an external perspective.
But if you don't discipline a child, they grow up to be spoiled, rotten, dysfunctional adults.
And it looks ugly.
It doesn't feel good when you do it, but it has to be done.
Otherwise, you raise bad children.
You raise improperly, I mean, not a curated children.
It's not the right word I'm looking for, but improperly raised children.
If you don't enforce a border, you don't have a country.
If you don't enforce the law because it makes you feel bad, well, A, you shouldn't be in that position in the first place.
And B, you will have lawlessness.
And what you are basically having the left say right now is, we have openly participated in creating a problem that we now say is too big to solve.
Well, get the F out if you want to talk about getting the F out and understand you have no business, not just in being part of the solution.
If you admit you can't, you caused the problem.
And now you're not just being not a part of the solution, you are actively opposing the adults in the room who have to find the unpleasant solutions to the problems that you cause.
Get the hell out of power.
And if you want to incite people to get up in arms and literally up in arms against federal agents, you should be charged.
And there's no shortage of laws.
Get creative, but don't get abusive.
And go after Tim Walz and go after Jacob Fry and get some law and order in these Democrat-run hellholes that have so many of their own problems, they can't solve them.
So they just go after fighting the feds to ignore and distract from their own incompetent governments.
Absolutely.
You made a really good point there regarding the optics.
And we had the writer Patrick Casey on the show on Monday, and he made this point.
It's a really interesting point, is which, you know, the short-term sort of, I guess, shock and awe effect, for lack of a better word, with the ICE raids and these sorts of things.
What you're trying to do there is create an environment that communicates to people that are here illegally: hey, there's a new sheriff in town.
You don't want that to happen to you necessarily.
You don't want to have to get dragged out in front of your family, in front of the neighborhood, or whatever.
So self-deportation is an option.
We've done some different incentives to sort of sweeten the deal for self-deportation because the mass deportation procedure or process, the secret sauce is the self-deportation because it's just not feasible, just from a logistical perspective, for ICE to be banging down the door of every, you know, whatever to execute every warrant, these sorts of things.
Like these things would require a massive, massive operation that we quite frankly just aren't capable of at the moment.
I don't know if we ever would be.
There's so many people here illegally.
You have to create the environment that would sort of foster self-deportation.
He talked about with Dwight D. Eisenhower's deportation operation that he conducted.
The majority of deportations were self-deportations.
These are people just looking around saying, hey, I could be, you know, next.
I don't know.
So I'm just going to go ahead and cut my losses and get out of here.
That's, to me, seems to be the reality of the optics.
Is again, it's not great.
Like, it's not optimal to have these ICE agents being put in really dangerous situations.
You don't want, I mean, it's a tragedy when anyone gets killed, like in this situation.
I mean, I think it's easy for people to forget, but that is a tragedy.
Maybe we're a little burnt out by the news cycle.
We don't want to have that to happen.
A best case scenario is they just all leave under their own accord.
I mean, that's just the best case scenario.
And I don't see how you get there without, again, these sort of short-term shock and awe operations.
Well, you call them a shock and awe operation, but barring actual logistical mistakes, like if they detain a U.S. citizen, and I've heard these reports, oh, they detain someone who's a U.S. citizen.
And I'm not clear as to whether or not they were naturalized or not to us explain the confusion.
First of all, administration of justice is never perfect.
And the idea that, well, don't round up any illegals because you might round up by mistake a naturalized U.S. citizen.
It's like saying don't lock up anybody in jail because you might lock up an innocent person.
You do your best to avoid bystanders or innocent casualties, legal and physical, but it doesn't mean you don't enforce the law because of the human error that goes into it.
And it's obvious it is going to be hard and ugly, but that's what it means to have law and order.
Because the flip side is, well, now you say, we can't close the borders because it's too hard.
Well, you know, lo and behold, Trump successfully did that in no time at all.
And you say, well, now we can't deport the 10 or 20 million illegal aliens that we've let in through our own incompetence because it'll be too hard.
Well, get started by laying down some law and order, by creating potentially some, I don't want to say exceptions, but people who have been here for 20 years are certainly the exception to the rule of what they're trying to administer.
But the flip side to that is declaring war on ICE and enforcement to federal law, whether you like it or not, is insurrection.
It's seditious-y.
And it's like saying, Well, I'm going to defend a murderous because you might lock up an innocent person.
So let's go bust out all of the convicted murderers from jail because there's one potentially innocent person there.
Congrats.
You know what would happen if you do that?
You go to jail.
So we've just, we've gone away now from sanctuary cities to not facilitating, to not cooperating with ICE, to actively calling for stalking and harassing of ICE and now doing nothing to intervene when mobs break into vehicles and steal weapons and documents and dox ICE agents online.
Holy hell.
I mean, that's seditious.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
On the first point, I mean, that's so true is, again, we don't apply that standard to other laws.
Like, it's very obvious that, yeah, like engagements with law enforcement are never optimal.
Like obviously, like, duh, because you're seeing a lot of these sort of, I guess they call them like the podcast bros or that sort of thing saying, you know, why do these have to be so, you know, aggressive or these sorts of things?
And it's like, because law enforcement engages are always that way.
Like, that's just, if the law enforcement is having to engage, that means something's gone wrong.
Like, of course it's going to be a little ugly, a little rough around the edge.
That's just how this works.
That's, that's law and order.
But to your point, I mean, regarding there was the Trump administrator or Trump himself statement where he was saying, if these elected officials refuse to comply with federal mandates, continue to sort of aid these agitators, then we will have to invoke the Insurrection Act.
And then everyone's response was the obvious.
What do you mean if it's already happening?
That's kind of the condition that's being created here.
No, well, and you're going to say, well, the courts have now, you know, prevented at least on a stay of the order deploying the National Guard at the state level.
So the courts have already spoken on these things, which they really haven't because, you know, the stay on Trump invoking the National Guard or calling in the National Guard a different law, different set of circumstances.
But the reality is there is, it's not a hot civil war.
And I hate to sound like Tim Poole saying we're in a civil war.
There's quite clearly a civil war going on right now.
And it's not just states versus the federal.
It's blue states versus Trump.
And you have governors, mayors who are saying, well, we want federal dollars, by the way, but we don't want to assist in federal law enforcement.
I mean, I know you can't do it constitutionally, but that deserves a double-barreled middle finger to them.
It's like, all right, good luck.
You're all on your own.
You want to be on your own.
You want to like, it's like a child who wants his allowance, but doesn't want to do the dishes.
Well, okay, good.
Don't do the dishes.
A, you're not getting food.
And B, you're sure as hell not getting your allowance, except you've got the court saying, no, no, no, you can't, you can't make abiding by federal policy contingent on funding.
That's a command deer, you know, whatever the legal term is.
You can't do that.
They want to be, they want to be the independent, stick it, you know, to the men, but keep giving us our federal funds there.
You know, there has to be and there will be a coming to a head of sorts.
But I would say go after the obvious stuff.
When you have Tim Walz, who it's, this is the ultimate distraction.
Tim Walz, I hate to sound cynical.
The more people that get killed by being motivated by his idiocy, the better for him, because now, you know, people don't talk about these, whatever, $10 billion in Somali fraud.
Now they're talking about ICE agents having killed a woman who was engaging in highly stupid behavior.
Not to say that she, I'm not one of those guys that she got what she deserved.
I think it was unfortunately legitimate, but stay the hell out of harm's way and you'll minimize your chances of unfortunate circumstances.
Absolutely.
But the more people that die, my goodness, it's great for Tim Walz.
He can rally his idiot base, distract them from his own incompetence.
And it's almost like he needs this something of a civil war with the feds to distract from his own incompetent, corrupt governing.
But they should start going out.
I mean, I don't know if Bondi's sort of getting the wake-up call now that the rumors, and they seem to be substantiated rumors that Trump is unhappy with her.
This will be her distraction.
Let's go after Tim Walz now.
And then I can say that I'm doing something as AG.
They need to go after these people.
These words have consequences.
And they're not empty words.
They're not just like generic whatever.
This is real world problems being caused by the leaders giving the political permission slip to their useful idiots to engage in violence.
And that's what we're seeing right now.
Yeah.
I mean, that's an excellent point.
And I mean, that's been the frustration for a lot of the base is we want to see some high profile arrests here because these people are having direct, I mean, COVID, anyone that lived in a blue state, you were being directly affected by the decisions of the governor.
People are very keenly aware that, you know, people have this tendency, it's almost a cliche at this point where they're like, you know, the real thing you should be focused on is like your local elected official, your school board.
And that's true, but we're kind of in a moment where the governor actually has a lot of autonomy over your life.
Again, that was demonstrated by COVID.
So people are demanding these high-profile arrests.
Again, not to make them feel good or not for necessarily red meat, but because these people are literally engaging in behavior that is directly harming their constituents.
And certainly if you're a Republican.
They're, I mean, I'll say it bluntly, you know, they are unconvicted criminals.
You want to talk about undocumented migrants?
That's a good one.
Tim Walz is an unconvicted criminal.
Gretchen Whitmer is an unconvicted criminal.
Kathy Hochle, unconvicted criminals.
And the only way they can distract from that is to find a bigger boogeyman.
But you are dealing with people who are corrupt at all levels.
And right now, I don't think Tim Walz, I think he knows that he doesn't have a political future, but this is at least the interim distraction.
They are trying to undermine Trump's administration and Trump's policy at all costs and with no limits.
And so it is time to start holding them, not just to the standards that they tried to hold Trump to and his whole entourage, to the letter of the law.
I mean, these people are openly inciting violence, openly supporting it.
And it's not a question of free speech or anything.
You want to talk about what it means to engage in insurrection.
This is what it looks like.
When you have governors and mayors, Karen Bass, saying, we're going to protect illegal aliens and interfere with federal law enforcement, these are not just words anymore.
And these are not just words from citizens.
These are words coming from elected leaders who are who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, A, desecrating it when it came to COVID, and B, violating the rule of law and order in their, not just speech, but in their conduct.
And, you know, get creative.
But there are ways to deal with these, you know, these politicians legally.
Right.
I mean, because I agree with Tim's presupposition, which is on this track, it would result in a civil war.
Again, what does that look like?
Still up in the air, but there's no question.
And you made a great point, which is it's not even really necessarily blue states versus red states.
It's literally just blue states versus the federal government versus the Trump administration, which actually is more of a table set for a civil war, certainly in the American context.
But the question is like, okay, if we agree with the presupposition that yes, on this track, it will result in a civil war, you have to ask yourself, what are the off-ramps?
How do we prevent that?
Because we don't want that.
That would be terrible.
Well, it looks like a message sent in Minneapolis.
That's the only off-ramp, as far as my calculation is.
I would argue that we are, I believe, obviously and clearly already in a civil war.
The only thing is, the only comparison or metric that we have for a civil war is the civil war.
Different era.
It's not going to be the South versus the North and people fighting in the woods of Harper's Ferry and Virginia.
This is civil war.
I mean, once you started weaponizing the judiciary and weaponizing police against your political adversaries and violence, you have it.
It's just, this is the modern day iteration of what a civil war would look like.
People are not going to go up in arms in the streets and engage in that type of battle.
Although you have those mini-type battles out there, you're going to have weaponization of all aspects of the government to try to go after your political rivals and anyone who supports them.
I mean, I'd say we were long into the Civil War during the Fed surrection persecution that lasted four years.
We were long into the Civil War when they tried to lock up Trump and anyone in his entourage and go after his lawyers for literally for giving legal advice.
So we're in it.
And now the only question is, forget the off-ramp.
You have to suppress it and suppress it through law and order.
And it'll hurt in some cases and it might look ugly in others.
But this is going to be a case of the victors writing the books.
And you got to make sure to win and not win at all costs.
You don't, I always say, like, you don't defeat the monster by becoming the monster.
You've just replaced the monster.
Sure.
But these people need to suffer the legal consequences of their own conduct and understand what they've been weaponizing can be righteously used against them.
And it's about high time that it be done.
Yeah, no, that's a great point.
I mean, that's why you're seeing people, you know, a few conservative commentators saying we need sort of a reconstruction style policy again to deal with these blue states.
And then people are like, well, reconstruction occurs after a civil war.
And a lot of people are like, what do you think this is?
Like, if we were to, again, take the off-ramp and remain out the offering, but if we were to suppress and sort of emerge out of this now, I think you're correct because if we look back on this time, we will say, geez, that was really a two parties pitted against each other.
And literally, I guess it would be a cold civil war in some regards, but it's gone kinetic at other moments.
And they'll look back and they'll say, okay.
And then that's, that's the moment that we sort of averted like a true, you know, mass casualties level of war.
But yeah, I was wondering.
Go ahead.
Some of these judges need to be impeached yesterday.
I don't know how you can impeach governors.
I mean, it's a whole different process.
And at some point, I don't know where you start having some open discussions because it doesn't seem that I say that you never get a knot out by continually pulling at both ends of the rope.
The flip side is you're literally dealing with at least a large group of people and a large group of politicians that want you in jail, that want you bankrupt, that want you dead.
And so the question is, you can't necessarily negotiate with that.
And so what you have to do is defeat it legally, judicially, not through unlawful violence.
But we haven't even seen that initiative begun yet.
And I can point some fingers and say who's been a little bit slow behind the wheel.
I think we all understand that right now.
But when you have mayors and governors coming out and openly saying F ice, and we're going to actively assist in frustrating federal law enforcement and actively support defending illegal aliens, foreigners, invaders, arguably.
Yeah, if an AG can't find something to do about that legally, find one who can.
Yep.
Yeah.
We can't negotiate our way out of this.
You just have to take their statements at face value.
Like there's no question about it.
Well, Viva, thank you so much.
We're running a little low on time here.
I was wondering maybe your final thoughts and more importantly, where people can find you for more.
My final thoughts are always, you know, the term black pill is going around these days.
And I say reserve the term black pill for people who are promoting violence or promoting withdrawal from participation.
Spread the word.
Don't resort to violence.
I mean, it would be great if the left would listen to this as well.
But continue to put pressure on the administration to implement and employ all of the lawful, righteous means to get what needs to be done done because time is running out.
Where can people find me?
Three o'clock today.
I'm actually going to have Stuart Rhodes on from The Oath Keepers talking about what can be done for Tina Peters and some other issues.
But I'm live daily on Rumble at three o'clock and every Sunday across all platforms with Robert Barnes, Viva, and Barnes.
Law for the people.
Excellent.
Well, thank you so much, Viva.
It's always a pleasure having you on.
I really appreciate you.
Thank you very much.
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