Candace Owens Says Charlie Kirk Assassination REEKS Of INSIDE JOB, Right DIVIDED ft. The Quartering
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A transgender furry's boyfriend, angry at Charlie Kirk for spreading hate, who climbed on that roof that fateful day and took a shot?
Was it something else?
There's a rift happening on the right, and it surrounds a variety of topics, largely around anti-Zionism, as well as the killing of Charlie Kirk, which I think is probably the principal core, the moment at which the lynchpin broke.
Charlie Kirk was a good man, and he was holding the right together.
I believe that he was, he's notorious for having answered every text message.
He would respond to everybody, and it was magic.
I don't know how he did it.
Well, Candace Owens has been making claims, insinuations, and investigating on her show, which she says is now the number one podcast worldwide.
She's been heavily criticized by many on the right for pushing a claim that Charlie Kirk's murder was an inside job.
But the bigger picture here, as far as I'm concerned, is the rift and the fracturing on the right and what it means for the movements or the bigger picture moving forward with Trump's plans, the midterm elections, who will succeed Trump.
But I want to start with what is actually going on.
Why is the rift, why has it begun?
And I'll start here with Grock, everybody's favorite large language model.
Now, I'm not saying any of this is true.
I'm showing you how this large language model actually responds to the arguments made against Candace Owens.
With a question, is Candace Owens accused Turning Point USA of killing Charlie Kirk?
No, it says.
And feel free to pause and read through this if you'd like.
We'll be joined by Jeremy Hamley in just a moment to go over all this stuff and talk about what's happening.
They do highlight many statements she's made where they say Owens has repeatedly promoted conspiracy theories that heavily imply Turning Point USA's involvement in a cover-up or facilitation of the killing, which many critics interpret as tantamount to an accusation.
And I think that's what basically everybody's saying.
She's never explicitly said they did, but she has said inside job many times.
In fact, I believe we have, maybe it's not this one.
No, that's the Dead Man Switch video.
The dark story involves donors, sponsors, influencers, a takeover of sorts that I think was happening right under Charlie's nose, effectively calling it an inside job, though she did say in other clips it was an inside job.
Grock continues.
I said, has Candace ever implied Erica Kirk knew or was involved?
Yes, Grok says.
Candace Owens has implied that Erica Kirk knew key details about the circumstances surrounding his assassination, though she has repeatedly denied ever accusing Erica of direct involvement.
They go on to say on September 13th, Owens responded to an ex-user speculating about Erica Kirk's awareness of pressures Charlie faced, stating Erica knows everything.
This was posted shortly after the shooting in the context of Owens questioning the official narrative and suggesting an inside job involving TPUSA staff.
This is, of course, Candace Owens saying that there were donors pressuring Charlie, and someone asked, did Erica know about the pressure?
And she says, Erica knows everything.
On November 7th, she accused Ben Shapiro of fabricating the story that she accused Erica Kirk of killing her husband.
Later that day, she reiterated on her podcast that equating her scrutiny of TPUSA's verifiable lies to accusing Erica of murder is beyond smearing.
Backlash from the interpretations, of course, has resulted in the story I've just shown you.
The overall, I said, I asked Grock, how would you interpret what Candace has said in the context as a whole?
What is the insinuation?
It says, my analysis draws from the chronological pattern of her rhetoric, which starts with the immediate skepticism, builds up specific tips and inconsistencies, and escalates to broader stomach accusations.
This isn't isolated soundbites.
It is a sustained narrative arc that frames the event as a deliberate betrayal within conservative institutions.
With TPUSA at the center, Owens positioning herself as the lone investigator uncovering verifiable lies, drawing parallels to historical cover-ups.
The core accusation, Owens' overarching insinuation is that Kirk's assassination wasn't a lone wolf act by Tyler Robinson, but an inside job orchestrated or enabled by elements within his inner circle in TPUSA, motivated by iological clashes, Kirk's alleged shift away from pro-Israel stances, and the internal power struggles, financial scandals.
They say she stops short of direct accusations to avoid libel, but the cumulative effect through loaded phrasing, selective tips, and guilt by association implies complicity or foreknowledge by those closest to him, including Erica Kirk.
Now, the one thing I can say is, if this is not true of Candace Owens, because I've only seen certain clips and I've only watched a couple of her episodes, I mean, what Grok has been saying about this is largely defamatory.
It's not an explicit claim it mentions.
It's, in some, Owens' narrative insinuates a rotten core in the conservative movement, with Erica as a symbolic gatekeeper to uncomfortable truths.
It's less about proving murder than eroding trust in TPUSA's legacy, potentially reshaping alliances, her anti-Zionist pivot.
If her teased big day delivers, it could solidify or implode.
Implode this.
Otherwise, it risks fading as performative outrage.
Either way, it's peak Owens, provocative, polarizing, and profoundly disruptive.
I want to play a little bit of this clip, and this will bring us into the discussion with Jeremy Hambley.
Because what it registers to me as is power, real power hiding behind a veneer of victimhood, the kind of power that can take somebody out and end their entire career if that person says something that they don't like.
And in this case, it's not that I'm saying things that they don't like.
It's that I'm refusing to allow my voice to be controlled.
I want to be clear to you guys.
I'm going to be honest with you because everybody's noticing it.
Every single political commentator in America, every single one of them knows this, that if you do not step out and say things that are radically pro-Israel, or if you are too quiet on certain narratives and they want you to be radically pro-Israel, you can lose everything.
Not feeling like I need to hide from that anymore because, or be afraid to say it, rather, is a better way to say it, because I've endured this for years.
I'm just at the end of my rope.
I have given so much rope here and I am just done with it.
Every person that you are a fan of, they know this.
I was just ranting a bit longer than I normally do on these subjects.
So sorry to keep you waiting.
But, you know, going over Candace Owens' claim about claims about lies from Turning Point USA, talking, there's the general insinuation that there was anti-Israel sentiment at the core of why Charlie Kirk was really killed.
Now, my understanding, she's never explicitly stated anyone did anything, but she has, I believe she has claimed, maybe I'm wrong, but, or at least heavily implied that Robinson is not really the assassin of Charlie Kirk.
And the reason I bring this up is the conversation, of course, that we're going to be talking about is like this rift, this divide that's been happening.
You've got Tucker, the interview with Nick Fuentes.
Now there's this big story about a resignation at the Heritage Foundation.
Candace Owens is an anti-Zionist pivot.
It's being referred to in media.
And this, of course, is kind of at the core of the Charlie Kirk assassination story.
So I'm curious what your thoughts are on this divide and these theories and the whole Israel thing.
Yeah, I guess you just eat the elephant one bite at a time.
I think that there is a pivot that's undeniable with kind of the Israel stuff.
And I think there are valid criticisms of Israel.
I like you.
Simply am not all that interested in it.
That doesn't mean it's not important.
That doesn't mean it's not, you know, it's a great beat for people to be on, clearly right now.
But I do think that a lot of it is fueled.
It's just, I don't know, Tim, but I know that it's fueled by, I believe, bot traffic and a lot of, look, if I was the left, let's say hypothetically, and I wanted to ensure that the right is, you know, screwing up midterms, this would be a great way to go about it.
I can't prove that, but boy, it sure seems, you know, we're not talking about, you know, we've got a lot of ground to make up in the midterms.
We're talking about who should and who shouldn't be platformed.
I don't care.
Tucker Carlson wants to have whoever he wants.
They even asked Trump about it yesterday.
And Trump's like, I don't care.
I don't care.
Let's talk about the economy.
Talk about Gen Z having like this dread, this complete demoralization about not being able to, you know, ever buy a home or get ahead.
These are the issues that are going to matter in the midterm elections, which, you know, the election cycle is going to start soon.
So look, again, I think there are valid Israel criticisms.
I wish they didn't invest so much money in our politicians, but I wish that was true about Qatar.
I wish that was true about all these foreign nations.
And I just feel like there is a hot, there is a real or fake kind of this, it feels inorganic.
This like, oh, suddenly, let me say this before I'll say this.
Yeah, there's this clip I just played before I brought you in where it's Candace, I believe when she was still at the Daily Wire saying, every conservative, every commentator you follow knows this, that if you don't toe the line for Israel, they'll destroy you.
I think that there's, you have some group of them who are legitimately.
I think Tucker has been legitimately criticizing Israel for some time now, maybe Candace too.
But then like, it's kind of a fad in a way.
Look, I was at an RC track, remote control car track, and people were asking me about the 50-year mortgage.
Not one person asked me about Israel.
And this is one of the very frustrating things.
It's, it's, you have to, I, I too have, I've literally said F Israel.
I, I, but I still get every post.
I'm like, maybe Israel isn't responsible for this 7K, 7K, 7K.
It's like, it is so bizarre.
I have a long history of being America practically only.
And I have people who are like, oh, you're a Zionist.
I'm like, I don't even know what that means technically.
I am so out of like, I'm worried about 100,000 Americans dying every year from fentanyl overdoses.
I'm worried about, you know, 25, 30 million illegals that we need to get out of this country.
I'm worried about, you know, people talk about H-1Bs.
They don't even know that there are multiple other visa formats, not the H-1B that still brings people into this country to take jobs from Americans.
That is what I'm worried about.
And I've tried, I've been very heartened and, you know, you mentioned that you were getting kind of, I feel like it was you maybe talking about getting, you know, it's demoralizing, right?
That is the correct word for it because it's like, damn, guys, we're going to, nobody remembers 2018 to 2020 where Trump couldn't get anything done this final two years.
He was getting impeached nonstop.
That's what we're going to get if we don't fix, you know, we focus on the issues that people actually care about.
I'm not saying Israel doesn't need to be criticized, but nobody's talking about that.
We're going to lose the midterms if all of our loudest voices spend the next eight months talking about Israel and not talking about getting, I mean, we had Candace Owens say, well, I'm not going to vote until I get the answer on Charlie Kirk.
Essentially, I'm, you know, telling her millions of viewers that they should, you know, implying maybe they shouldn't also vote.
And it's like, I remember the last, so we're going to have that again.
Trump's last year's not going to get anything done.
Over an issue that most Americans don't know or care about.
And by all means, like, even if you believe Israel is the biggest problem we face or whatever it is you believe, sure, you're going to lose on your own issue if that's what you're yelling at people.
So I put it like this.
You know, I'd like, let's see, I would like to see poker be allowed in certain circumstances in West Virginia, but it's illegal.
Am I going to run for governor and say my platform is we should all play poker?
No one's going to vote for me.
No, you come out and you say, let me know how I can help you.
Vote for me.
And then I'll take care of what I'm interested in after the fact.
If the issue really was Israel, they'd be saying, let's get Trump to win and elect more Republicans who want to cut off the funding for these interventions in Ukraine, Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq, whatever it may be.
But when they come out only on Israel, regular people are like, hey, look, man, I can't afford groceries.
What are you talking about?
So in that sense, it definitely feels like an op in some sense to destroy the rights message and to throw us off base.
But especially on the Charlie Kirk assassination thing, I'll bring it to this.
You've now got this report from Tucker, of all people, that the would-be assassin of Trump was a they-them who was engaged in weird furry stuff.
So when I hear that the FBI believes the key suspect of the Charlie Kirk assassination was also someone involved in this trans furry stuff, I'm like, well, we have a big list of people now, these mass shooters who are in this weird leftist ideology and getting violent because they're losing.
Why then shift the argument to, no, no, actually it was insiders at Turning Point or Israel?
And I talked about, I stopped making videos about when you say like demoralizing, I was trying to fight against that and I was getting crushed.
And I was just like, I can't like, you start to get gaslit.
I'm like, guys, you know that the left keeps killing us, right?
There was a leftist that was, you know, killed migrants.
He was trying to kill ICE agents in Florida.
Nobody talks about that anymore.
We had, in my opinion, Tyler Robinson assassinated Charlie Kirk.
Now, are there questions around it?
Yes.
Do I believe that his neck was made of superpower or whatever?
No.
But there are other explanations for what may have happened.
I'm willing to wait for the investigation to come out.
There is a very weird thing that happens to when you're like, hey, maybe it was Tyler Robinson.
Like, oh, well, you just believe everything the FBI says.
You're not allowed to say like, yeah, I have questions, but also I believe Tyler Robinson is the most likely person.
Look what happened.
A YouTuber by the name of Turkey Tom interviewed their friend, a friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.
He came out a big narrative.
And I don't want to name names, but a big narrative is, well, these texts aren't real.
Nobody says my love.
Nobody says vehicle, except this person who's close personal friends of them in the interview said Tyler Robinson absolutely called Lance Twiggs my love.
He did it all the time.
So it's like now everyone's talking about Israel did it.
Oh my God, there were Israeli cell phones around.
And it's like, well, I guess the left is just going to do another, you know, they're going to have another, they're going to kill another politician because nobody's paying attention to it.
I was talking to somebody about this recently, and I agree with you.
It's like we're in a similar space.
I said, yeah, maybe the FBI's narrative on Charlie Kirk is not correct.
There are questions I have.
Some of these things certainly I think don't add up.
But Occam's razor would suggest, especially based on the track record of the left, the violence they've engaged in, this person likely was, you know, left-leaning or otherwise.
And someone, so it probably is Robinson, but who knows?
We'll find out.
We'll see in the trial.
And then someone asked me, yeah, but don't you think they're all acting very strange?
Like the turning point people in Erica are acting.
This was someone directly quoting Candace to me saying, you know, something like, Candace mentioned that Erica was aware of the donors and the pressure that Charlie was under.
And that everybody who watches Candace always defends her and says she's never said Erica was involved.
Like, you know, or that she's just blindly working with people who killed her husband and doesn't know.
But they were like, these other TPU inside TPSA insiders seem to be acting very strange.
And so I asked, okay, honest question.
In what, can you reference any other high-profile assassination of a large political organization where the person's wife and friends acted in a different way?
And yet the answer is no, because this hasn't happened before, or at least not in our lifetime in this way.
And so my point is only, listen, I'm not here to say you're wrong on these, on these theories or anything like this, just that there's no metric by which to call it strange.
It's just that you were told it feels strange.
We don't actually know what, why, how, or it's hard to actually assess the facts in this matter.
My bigger concern is Candace is allowed to talk about whatever she wants, be it Israel, Charlie, or otherwise, but it's pulling us off of the core issues that are going to win us a midterm and make sure on these deeper questions we win.
And I believe that it's, and it's an, look, I agree 100%.
And just so people say, you want to do platform?
No, Candace can use her platform to talk about whatever she wants.
Tucker too.
I tell people, look, I'm not interested in a lot of the stuff Tucker talks about, but you better believe I tuned in on Friday when he did an episode on the YouTube messages.
The same thing with Candace.
If she breaks a story that I'm interested in, I'll probably watch.
Right now, I genuinely believe that she believes a lot of the stuff she's saying.
I just don't know if she's getting fed stuff a certain way.
I mean, isn't it possible that maybe somebody is feeding her information that, you know, and gaslighting her into this because they know it's effectively dividing the riot?
I mean, I have 2 million, almost 2 million subscribers now, and nobody has ever said anything to me about, hey, this is what you can talk about and this is what you can't talk about.
That's just a fact.
And I agree that I think that there are a lot of implications that are made with stuff like, well, everybody knows you can't be critical of Israel, which is directly refuted, like you said, in the fact that Nick is one of the top live streamers on Rumble, the platform where, yes, he got banned from YouTube.
But let me also point out, he was banned not just specifically for, look, I think Nick is very entertaining, but I think even he would admit in his younger days, just like with me, he said stuff that was over the line and crazy that maybe he was banned for that, not necessarily being critical of Israel, but I'm not going to repeat some of the stuff, but I think that there was a lot of heinous stuff that he said that maybe he'd even take back now.
Candace is number one.
Every podcast she puts out is fully monetized on YouTube.
So I think for a lot of these people, they'll point to like, yay, and they'll say, look at all the censorship over the people who criticize Jews.
And it's like, yeah, but hold on.
That was the general censorship period where if you targeted a group of people, you'd get banned.
Like if you insulted or denigrated a group based on their ethnic or religious identity.
So if you made a video attacking black people, they'd ban you.
Jews, they'd ban you, but criticize white people all day and night.
I think it's fair to say that these weird censoria social justice people were playing those games.
Now, we've largely won on that front.
And now you can be openly critical of basically everybody.
So I don't think it was ever really an issue of Israel's banning you from talking about this, but social justice wacko leftists hated white people and banned anyone who disparaged any other group.
That's why Candace today is doing really, really well, despite being particularly Israel critical and getting major sponsors.
None of these companies are going, we can't sponsor Candace because she says bad things about Israel and implies turning point killed Charlie.
And I think that there are certain examples where I feel like we are hypersensitive to criticism of Israel.
For example, when you have Pam Bondi coming, oh, we need hate speech laws.
And every time that happens, it's like, you know, I face Palm and I'm like, man, like this just proves kind of that movement correct when you're like, well, we have, or you have like Randy, you have certain politicians, Randy Fine being like very, very, very concerned about Israel.
I think that stuff is gross.
And that's what I mean.
Like, I would agree with some of the issues.
I just don't think that Israel is the most important issue right now when young people can't afford houses, young people can't afford to rent.
We have 50 or mortgages sliding out there.
And I have people in my mentions defending them.
Like I sold cars.
We sold a lot of 84 month loans.
And I'll tell you what, it was never once to somebody with a 700 credit score and who had a good idea about how money worked.
It's predatory.
It's bad.
You'll own nothing and be happy.
And everyone's like, yeah, but I'm like, no, we need to lower the prices of houses.
We need to lower interest rates.
Interest rates are 6.25% right now, 6.5%.
My house is at 2.75%.
I have golden handcuffs.
I can never move.
That mortgage is too good.
Like, there's a lot of things that will get people out to vote.
And almost none of them.
Look, I just say this too.
I think a lot of the people who are talking about this were never this mega fracture.
They were never mega anyway.
You can look at Nick, who actively said, hey, I'm going to get Yangang.
I'm going to get other people.
He actively said he's going to get his crew to not vote for Trump, endorsing Kamala.
All this stuff.
And then everyone's like, well, Mega's got a fracture.
I'm like, how many of them really voted for Trump anyway?
As to the Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories, I'll preface it again by saying, what do we know?
We'll find out.
Maybe there's evidence.
It's funny because I've got sources.
I'm sure you do too.
I know people who know things.
Without saying too much, let me just stress that these FBI people have been on Timcast before, that I've gone to the White House and I've interviewed DHS and Seb Gorka.
I know a lot of these people and I don't publish text messages from any of them.
I'm not releasing emails or leaking anything where what I can say is this, based on my conversations, because I can hear something from Candace or about Candace and I'll make a phone call.
I'll be like, hey, what do we have on this?
What's going on?
And the general assessment is the evidence against Robinson is actually much, much better than people realize.
It's a very convenient position to be, isn't it, Tim?
Like they know they can't release it to counter their narrative.
And so I'm sure what's going to happen is everyone's just going to move on to the next thing as soon as the trial starts because it's a great time to say, make unfounded claims because the FBI literally cannot refute anything.
And again, I got no problem saying maybe they're all wrong.
I don't know.
But what I've heard behind the scenes, private and public, meaning like from government and from corporations and from people in the know who have been involved is that they're not going to release evidence that will lay out their arguments in advance.
They will release evidence to the defense that they are legally required to.
But if they issue a statement saying, here's our position, you are going to give the suspect advanced knowledge to the tune of years or months of what you're going to argue in court.
And they're going to try and find ways to break that apart.
And that could be fabricating alibis or who knows what they might do.
It is an absurdity, in my opinion, that they would expect a high-profile case to come out and be like, here's all the evidence, have fun, go for it, because then you're going to get an acquittal.
So here's what I'm going to say that, you know, people get mad at me about, but I'm not here to hold hands.
I think Candace has a grudge against Turning Point.
Worse, the worst case scenario is she's looking for a means to attack these people she does not like.
What I can't say is, and maybe she's right, you know, I don't know um, I don't think so.
I think it's more uh, bias oriented and I think it's these.
This on this ongoing Charlie narrative, is dividing the right in a way that doesn't help us in any way.
So what i've said is, when people talk to your point about Nick and you know, he's not really Maga, he was pro comedy, he was, he was Anti-trump.
This is what I say of Candace, I don't.
I don't see her as being a Republican comment or conservative commentator.
She's a, she's a in, she's an influencer pot podcaster who talks about Blake Lively and Bridget Mcrone being a man as her accusation.
These are not principal issues of policy debate, elections.
It is true crime and drama, and so if she's going to do a true crime drama thing, as we, as it goes with Charlie, i'm not all that bent out of shape because it's not the right now.
The Tucker thing does bring us into this rift with a resignation from Heritage and all that.
But even Trump just comes out right now and says, Tucker can talk to whoever he wants.
So yeah, perhaps it's not really that bad, so long as what's demoralizing is the Candace thing is pulling conservative commentators into a drama sphere instead of staying focused on policy.
I'll tell you this, Trump last week it felt like this was the worst week of the Trump presidency and that everything was falling apart, and I I tweeted on friday, acts on friday.
Uh, you know, like everyone, just relax.
It was a bad week, we admit it.
But like, look what happened.
Trump came out and said, look, Tucker can interview whoever he wants and oh, by the way, release the files.
So like everything that everybody.
That's why I say it's like.
It's like there is bot traffic or there's an actual effort to like demoralize and break apart the right, because it's like everybody on friday was like, oh my god, it's all falling apart and i'm like, do you?
But like, do you not remember 2016?
This is who Trump is.
He does crazy stuff and then he comes back and most of the time, he fixes it and now go ahead.
Um, I remember when Desantis was the favorite to win the Republican nomination back in like 22, and the right was fighting each other like crazy, the Pro-deSantiside, ripping apart the mega side, and we were like, oh no, and then Trump wins the DeSantis people all come back together and then Trump goes on to actually win the, the actual election.
So, even with all of this demoralization and rift, I'm willing to bet this.
I'm In the event, Candace hears that I have criticisms of her.
My show's nowhere near as big as hers.
But in the event it comes across, I'm sure she'll have a rebuttal or privately have a rebuttal.
She doesn't need to say anything to me.
But I know that probably when we get to 28, we're all going to be on the same page again.
So if you're looking for something to watch, you know, you've got your Tim fix and now you need like a Portly Midwestern guy, you know, I'm on there and I'd love to see you on the live show.
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You know, I'll say one final thing.
I went on Candace's show and I went and visited the Daily Wire a couple of years ago, and I think she's a genius.
I really do mean it when I say it.
I've been familiar with some of her work, and I went on her show, and there was a bunch of issues that were going on that I had analyzed.
I had looked up the evidence, and quick as can be, she nailed every point.
She saw through manipulations and lies.
I was very, very, very impressed.
As for right now, I'm not even necessarily saying she's wrong.
I do take issue with like this hyper focus on Israel.
But, you know, the one thing that always does give me pause is I haven't forgotten.
And I know a lot of people don't like Candace.
I haven't forgotten when I went on her show and how astute and intelligent she was.
You don't get to number one on accident.
So I don't think, I don't think that she's simply making mistakes.
I think bias potentially plays a role in this, her concerns over turning point.
And then maybe she's right.
You know, what do I know?
I think that merit goes a long way.
And there's a lot of people, they're usually leftists.
They take a look at someone like Candace and her success or Tucker, and they're going to say, it's because they're liars because they're grifters.
I don't do that.
I take a look at someone like Candace and Tucker, and I think to myself, what am I doing wrong?
And with that being said, I do have tremendous respect for Candace, even if I think she's wrong, we're deserving of criticism.
And that's why I always say, when it comes to calling people out, there's the benefit of the doubt that I give to people that are typically correct on issues.
And if I think someone's wrong, I'm going to say I think they're wrong.
We'll see.
I think it's all going to work out in the end.
But other than that, hey, it is what it is.
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