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| I think it'll be interesting, the combination of the National Guard, ICE, and Trump moving, you know, those various uh federal forces uh throughout the country. | ||
| It's a question of you know what bad thing could happen when that's happening on such a broad scale, and then how is that gonna set off, you know, potentially another uh George Floyd type situation or the situation with uh Jacob Blake and Kenosha. | ||
| So it's it really just takes one spark to then devolve things into chaos. | ||
| Hey guys, Tate Brown here holding it down for Tim Poole. | ||
| Today's interview we got Richie McGuinness. | ||
| He is an expert on all things leftist violence. | ||
| So we had to bring him in to discuss Antifa, the situation in Portland, how Antifa's operating, where their money's coming from, how the feds could better crack down on them. | ||
| It's a great interview. | ||
| Please enjoy. | ||
| So you want to give people a quick introduction, who you are, what you do. | ||
| I'm Richie McGuinness. | ||
| I well, I I worked in DC media for the last decade. | ||
| I went from MSNBC to Mark Levin to running the video at Daily Caller. | ||
| And now I I wrote uh the book over my shoulder here, right? | ||
| I about all the civil unrest in 2020. | ||
| Yeah, uh, the so-called summer of love, and then on into 2021. | ||
| And now I run uh the publishing company I started for that book because everybody every publisher was telling me Trump wasn't gonna make it through the primary. | ||
| That's called Pigeon Press. | ||
| And uh I work at a couple different websites, got about four jobs right now. | ||
| Dude, that's base. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Dude, well, unfortunately, you know leftists very well. | ||
| I was I was, you know, opened up the show with the story out of DC. | ||
| Um, this church was targeted specifically because of Supreme Court justices that were uh scheduled to attend a mass on Sunday, and he had like 200 uh explosive devices on him. | ||
| Obviously, it was foiled, thankfully. | ||
| But um the the environment in the country is getting scary. | ||
| It's it it really feels like there's a large proportion of the country with nothing to lose that are ready to snap at any moment. | ||
| Can you maybe dive a little deeper into the psychology behind these sorts of people? | ||
| Because I mean, obviously you're quite familiar with them. | ||
| Yeah, I I think it's it's basically you know, a similar mirror image of what we saw in 2020, and that obviously that was during a campaign season, so it's a little bit different. | ||
| And and the pandemic, I think is obvious obviously a major uh additional question mark, which you know, obviously hyper uh generated everybody's anger, and you know, when they finally got in the streets, they had all this pent-up frustration. | ||
| But the parallels that I see are number one, the the galvanizing factor out there isn't like one specific ideology. | ||
| It's never Trumpism. | ||
| It's we all hate Trump and all of his stormtroopers. | ||
| And so what you see in Portland or in various cities around the country, obviously Chicago right now, is the same thing we saw in front of the Portland courthouse in 2020, which is Trump's not gonna bring his stormtroopers in here. | ||
| We're not gonna cooperate with the DHS who are trying to protect this federal building. | ||
| And that's what galvanizes everybody to come to the streets. | ||
| Now, what I'll say is different this time around is number one, the fact that we've been there before. | ||
| So on both sides of the equation, both the reporters, the people, the media who's showing people what's going on there, as well as the people out on the streets are much more well-versed of where the cameras are and who's filming and specifically how the media landscapes function right now. | ||
| And so they're always looking for adversarial media. | ||
| I think we would dress like them and you know, kind of slide under the radar for most of that summer. | ||
| Uh, and that's not the case anymore. | ||
| So you see a lot more open confrontations between media and the people out on the streets, uh, specifically the ones who are the biggest agitators. | ||
| What's so this this attack, he had this notebook on him, I think like basically his manifesto, and he specifically cited ICE. | ||
| And then we're seeing in Portland, ICE is on the receiving end of all the vitriol. | ||
| And then obviously this is unnested within the never Trumpism. | ||
| What's specifically do you think it is about ICE that really sets these people off? | ||
| Well, immigration has been an issue that has been barely touched by either party for 40 years. | ||
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| And so really it's a powder keg that's built up over decades because you know, if you look at Barack Obama, one famous man on the street we did when we were at the collar was we would read Barack Obama's immigration quotes and say, what would you think of you know that the president said this? | ||
| They say Trump this, Trump that. | ||
| When we reveal to them, oh, it was Barack Obama. | ||
| So these open border policies have been pursued for you know across Republican and Democratic administrations for 40 years. | ||
| And this election 2024 was immigration was probably the highest on the list that it's ever been in American history. | ||
| And that's I was at the border in uh March of 2021, sounding the alarm because every single migrant who came over the the border illegally into the United States. | ||
| I I interviewed them as they took their first steps into the country and prepared to surrender themselves to border patrol on purpose because they said explicitly, every single one, hundreds. | ||
| We came because Joe Biden is president now, and we know we can come in and we know we're gonna get, you know, to go a flight to go see our families. | ||
| And so the fact of the matter is this this toothpaste has come out of the tube. | ||
| And the question now is how do we fix that? | ||
| Well, obviously the left isn't willing to give an inch on this. | ||
| I mean, you see that with the healthcare bill right now. | ||
| And so the the galvanizing factor now isn't necessarily uh, you know, there's different manifestations of how Trump actually impacts these various cities. | ||
| So it's not the DHS troops in front of the federal courthouse, it's ICE, and it's a far more national issue because obviously ICE is operating in all these different cities and you have the sanctuary policies. | ||
| So in that respect, I think it's actually a much broader and um potentially more dangerous issue than it was in 2020 when you know you only had these hotbeds of Seattle or Portland or DC or New York, where uh the civil unrest was popping off. | ||
| Obviously, Kenosha being another good example, National Guard was there, but they didn't end up actually doing anything to keep the businesses from burning, and obviously from what happened with the shooting uh to take place, is it was a complete power vacuum. | ||
| So I think it'll be interesting, the combination of the National Guard, IC, and Trump moving, you know, those various uh federal forces uh throughout the country. | ||
| It's a question of you know what bad thing could happen when that's happening on such a broad scale, and then how is that going to set off, you know, potentially another uh George Floyd type situation or the situation with uh Jacob Blake and Kenosha. | ||
| So it's it really just takes one spark to then devolve things into chaos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the the Portland situation is specifically interesting to me because that's where you seem to see the the most pressure put on ice, where you have like the most the the most extended uh protests, like they go all night, these sorts of things. | ||
| And Portland is like the whitest city in America. | ||
| And so part of me wonders if the psychology, like kind of underlying this is really self-hatred. | ||
| They hate, they hate that they hate being white, they hate America. | ||
| And ICE is really the last thing standing between them and just demographically replacing themselves because ICE is sleeping to slow that down and potentially reverse it. | ||
| And so for me, I think the reason Portland specifically is where you're seeing the most vitriol, is just because of these self-hating white people. | ||
| It's funny you say that because I I've dedicated a number of pages to that in my book where in the Portland chapter, because Portland, yeah, it's number one, it's below five percent black, and even even today and historically, all the way through the 1970s, there were laws that prohibited blacks from attaining property in within Portland city limits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so this and actually it was a stronghold, you know, pre-World War II, uh, pre-World War I, it was a stronghold for the KKK. | ||
| And there were a number of um anti-Chinese uh uh riots that took place where you know fires were set and burned down uh Chinatown in Portland. | ||
| So this is something that I I definitely touched on because when you're out there, it's like predominantly white. | ||
| So it was even stranger in 2020 when it was a black lives matter demonstration, and you had um uh Philip uh I forget his last name. | ||
| He's a he's a tall black dude who who uh was a conservative um activist at the time, and uh he's standing in front of the fence saying, Don't smash into this fence, you know, the cops are just gonna come out, it's gonna make the cause worse. | ||
| So you're gonna make us look bad, and they're all yelling at him a bunch of white people telling him to get out of the way and let them, you know, basically agitate the police. | ||
| So Portland is definitely has done a 180 as far as their perspective on race relations and um their responsibility to go out there and I guess creating chaos somehow in their minds solves this situation. | ||
| I mean, whether it's ICE or DHS or Portland PD, I my opinion was always the fact that you know, the more that you beat up on conservative commentators who might be out there, the more that you agitate police that the worse that makes your cause look. | ||
| The best thing you can do is go out there and actually be peaceful. | ||
| So, what do you think? | ||
| What do you think Antifa's goals are at this point? | ||
| Because obviously they can see the hammer coming down, right? | ||
| The this is the first time, at least since Antifa's really emerged in the 21st century, and in large part that it seems like the feds are really just intent on destroying them. | ||
| What do you think their strategy is now? | ||
| What do you think their goals are? | ||
| Well, the you know, the way that Antifa is built is actually I it for lack of a better comparison. | ||
| I I studied Arabic and lived in the Middle East, and I've studied studied the Muslim Brotherhood extensively. | ||
| And ultimately it's a it's a decentralized group of cells who operate independently of any kind of central hierarchy. | ||
| And the fact of the matter is when you're out on the streets, it's very rare that you say, you'll see an Antifa flag, you'll see a patch. | ||
| But if you go up to somebody and say, hey, yo, are you Antifa? | ||
| It's a lot different than if you go up to a proud boy and say, Hey, are you a proud boy? | ||
| They're literally says Proud Boy on their shirt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's it's intentionally anonymous. | ||
| A lot of the conversations about strategies uh and whatnot take place during through encrypted apps in 2020. | ||
| I was in a lot of those infiltrated a lot of those groups, and that's where they're really, you know, planning the most extreme measures like building Molotov cocktails. | ||
| Uh and you know, they'll they'll do it also through uh meet and greets, you know, at their safe houses, which they have throughout the city. | ||
| And so if they do operate similar to the way that a terror cell would operate. | ||
| With that being said, it's almost impossible to say all these people are Antifa because ultimately there's a group, a number of groups of people out there. | ||
| They're like the first timers who come out there and want to test it out. | ||
| They usually most of them will leave when the violence starts to happen. | ||
| Then there's like the hardcore young people who are new to the game, but they you know they can be very dangerous because you know they have a lot of energy, they're they're kind of ignorant to how these things can devolve into chaos and get really dangerous. | ||
| And uh, and then there are like the you know, salty locals who have been out there since 2020, and they come out and you see the same people every night. | ||
| And so between those three groups, there are uh certain number who are affiliated and or communicating with Antifa, but just because they're wearing all black, you know, it doesn't mean that they're necessarily explicitly like, oh yeah, let's go out and firebomb this place. | ||
| I mean, that's what seems to make it tricky. | ||
| Obviously, Trump declared them to be a terrorist, you know, cell, but it was domestic, so there's not really any like legal, nothing changes legally unless you were to declare them like a foreign terrorist organization. | ||
| Tim's made the point that they are, because Antifa does operate like in Paris and Berlin and et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| But specifically in the United States, like you're saying, it gets a bit muddied who's in, who's out. | ||
| I mean, are some of these clubs like the John Brown gun club? | ||
| Maybe do you start there? | ||
| Because that seems to be a bit more formal. | ||
| Yeah, we saw the John Brown John Brown gun club. | ||
| That's a tongue twister, uh, outside of doing security in Seattle at the Chaz. | ||
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| So if you guys remember, Chaz was a six-block area that the Seattle uh police chief and mayor, Mayor Durkin and Carmen Best was the police chief, capitulated a six-block area to the protesters. | ||
| And what's the first thing they did? | ||
| Set up borders with uh checkpoints and put armed guards at those borders. | ||
| And so we had a couple of encounters with members of the John Brown gun club, and right at my alma mater in DC, I mean DC of all places for a gun club. | ||
| Yeah, but uh Georgetown in in western northwest DC, there was a flyer for the John Brown John Brown gun club uh in Red Square, which is one of the main squares in Georgetown, and it was soliciting applications. | ||
| I don't, I mean, it takes like a year to get a concealed carry permit in DC. | ||
| So I don't know exactly how that functions. | ||
| But the fact of the matter is those groups should be examined, and this is the same as the funding that comes from the protests. | ||
| Who's who's paying for the signs, who's paying to transport these people in and out? | ||
| Well, the answer is they're the names are constantly changing by design. | ||
| So the open, if if you follow like George Soros' Open Society Foundation, you'll see they give to, well, in this selection cycle, it might be called indivisible, and in the next one, it'll be called something different. | ||
| So they'll fund the side of you know the transportation, the the signage, they'll they'll print all that stuff out, and then you have uh another level of uh agitators who are specifically you know organizing themselves in much seedier, shadow more shadowy realms, not through the nonprofits, but they capitalize on that protest as a power vacuum. | ||
| So it's it is it's it's complicated by design. | ||
| And that's the that's kind of the scary part. | ||
| But ultimately, I think if you're investigating it, you do two things. | ||
| You follow the actual people who are perpetrating violence in the street, and you know, if you arrest them, you know, you you investigate them, you find who they were communicating with, and then on the other side, you follow the money because the money is where these protests are actually being sprung up, | ||
| all the social media arms, and you know, that takes a lot of resources and people to to get these protests to actually take place, whether it's the No Kings, whether it's the anti Tesla stuff, and all of this stuff is funded by groups like Indivisible, and it's it's it's like a a web of various nonprofits, and that's the same way that they do it in the Middle East, by the way. | ||
| Dude, I mean that it's that, and you see, like in Portland, I mean, I keep going back to Portland, like that's just where a lot of the content is right now, where the Portland police just kind of uh stand down. | ||
| I think that'd be the most gratuitous explanation of what's going on. | ||
| The Portland police were certainly less confrontational than definitely in 2020, and from what I can gather, definitely right now, yeah, than any of the federal troops who come in. | ||
| So at the time it was DHS surrounding the federal courthouse. | ||
| And um, you know, Portland also the Portland PD, yeah, I also it's kind of like darned if you do, darned if you don't, because the policies that are surrounding them as a local uh police department are very, very strict, and you know, the last thing that they want is another BLM situation where some somebody gets violent and then you know they get hurt and things everything gets worse. | ||
| So, in a lot of ways, they're handcuffed with what kind of non-lethals they can use, and you've seen around the ice facility, that's definitely not the case. | ||
| I mean, what is what does this say about the United States, the environment we're in? | ||
| I mean, obviously here at Tim Cast, civil war predictions are quite rife, like that's kind of how it goes. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't I don't know if I'm there. | ||
| I I I'm closer to that position than I've ever been because I'm seeing a vast chunk of the country that's just egging on political violence. | ||
| They love seeing what happened to Charlie Kirk. | ||
| I mean, they would give this like half-hearted condemnation, but ultimately they're like, well, you're still a fascist at the end of the day. | ||
| And I'm like, how do I share a country with these people ultimately? | ||
| I mean, I I I I can't, I can't live like this. | ||
| Yeah, it's it's crazy because I I was bumping between you know the Proud Boys during all the stop the steal stuff, and then the counter-protesters who were in DC, and it really is it's like two completely different worlds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The fact of the matter is is that right now the way that all the algorithms are set up on on Twitter, what whatever it is, YouTube, Instagram, Meta, whatever you want to call it, uh the they direct you towards two different one of two echo chambers if you're looking at political content. | ||
| And when it comes to these kinds of protests and stuff, and I this has been the case in 2020 as well as now. | ||
| If you say Antifa terrorist does X, you're gonna get more retweets than if you say a guy wearing all black did this, because you don't, you know, you don't know what his background is. | ||
| And look, I I get it, but it it does create uh situation, and then the other side is taking that same clip and you know, cutting it up, taking it out of context, just that one part where the cop pepper sprays whoever, and then they say, look at the police brutality. | ||
| So you have the exact same clip that's being viewed completely differently by the two different sides of the country. | ||
| And unfortunately, with social media, people aren't willing to like kind of look and get the bigger picture. | ||
| If you look at Jacob Blake, the shooting that that kicked off the police involved shooting that kicked off all of the riots in Kenosha, he was armed with a knife. | ||
| Uh, and the video that went across social media caused the NBA to cancel games, you know, you had the entire media saying that he was shot in front of his kids. | ||
| Kamala Harris said that. | ||
| Uh Joe Biden said that. | ||
| And the fact of the matter is the kids that he was shot in front of were his kids, and the baby mama had there was a warrant out for his arrest for domestic abuse of her, and she had called the police saying, I'm worried for my safety, he's back. | ||
| And so they came out because he had a warrant for his arrest, and those kids, you know, were the kids also of the woman that he had battered. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Uh so he was trying to the video shows him get tased as he's trying to get into the car, and it didn't show the fact that he was armed with a knife. | ||
| And then uh he was also tased previously to that, and the police have done everything they could to non-lethally subdue him. | ||
| And uh, he was effectively uh potentially entering that vehicle to, you know, kidnap the kids. | ||
| So uh that that context is important, and that's not what we're getting still to this day. | ||
| And that's why I appreciate you know, Tim Cast and going on there because you can talk about these things at greater length than just whatever's on your Twitter timeline. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree. | ||
| Like the echo chambers is a problem. | ||
| I mean, part of it though is I think it's just exploiting very real divisions that are kind of irreconcilable to a large degree. | ||
| Because I'm like, I mean, I I I do agree, yeah, the the echo chambers thing is an issue. | ||
| But when I see people that believe that having a position on abortion like Charlie Kirk's warrants death, I mean, I don't know if that's if that's created by social media, or if that's a division that already exists, that's just exploited by by social media. | ||
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| Well, I don't think it's necessarily well, it's created by social media in I think a couple of different ways. | ||
| Number one, like the content that people are actually viewing, but number two, the fact that social media makes you so hyper-aware of all the things that you don't have. | ||
| And I think if you're constantly jumping into the lives, by the way, behind filters and behind, you know, set up shoots, even people who rent, you know, Porsches to make themselves look richer, the image that you're seeing on social media is telling you, oh, the grass is greener over there, there, and that didn't exist in the past. | ||
| So I think young people entering the job market. | ||
| I entered, I graduated high school in 2008. | ||
| And so, you know, it's a similar feeling, but it's it's supercharged by the fact that we we were using you know AOL instant messenger back then, yeah, and like Blackberries. | ||
| So it's it's to a certain extent, there's a spiritual sickness that pervades across uh all of these dissident and extremist groups, and it it causes them to branch out into their their tribe, their digital media tribe, and that's their community now. | ||
| So if you have all our local newspapers are dried up, you know, people aren't going to church, they don't have that aspect of community, uh, less people are like doing sports and and living in small towns. | ||
| And so, you know, when we whereas we growing up went outside to, you know, play with our buddies and ride on bikes for a couple hours. | ||
| Like now they're sitting playing video games shooting people. | ||
| I I played Halo, but it was you know, it wasn't everything that we did. | ||
| Um it just was and and you weren't um integrated with six different devices uh at the same time. | ||
| So I don't know where it goes from here because honestly, it only seems to be getting worse. | ||
| And Trump still has two and a half more years. | ||
| So yeah, and even like you can you can you can stop these things three years in a month, couple months, sorry. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| I was checking my math. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, it's like even even at the institutional level, like, okay, yeah, there's things we can mitigate as far as like antif and these sorts of things, but the the issue you're addressing is really important, which is I mean, the the big the big and you know, the big incidents have been carried out by like atomized young people. | ||
| And A, because they're just tapped into this on this online world that they they get that socialization bug out there, it kind of gives them this false sense of socialization, and maybe that can like mask the um the spiritual rot for like a a proportion of time, and then they get radicalized on these online groups. | ||
| That's one thing, like with the discords and everything. | ||
| But then also like just the way the economy is and the and the and the uh way the the pathways to matriculation for young adults just completely broken down. | ||
| So they just really feel like they have no nothing to lose. | ||
| And um that's a really petrifying thing. | ||
| You have so you have people with radical political ideology, that's one thing. | ||
| We're used to that. | ||
| Like people with radical political ideology have been around for a long time and they just kind of mind their own businesses. | ||
| When they have nothing to lose, that's when it gets very worrying. | ||
| That's when they snap, so to speak. | ||
| Yeah, and the irony of the whole thing is that the hollowing out of the middle class and the hollowing out of opportunities for young people to have a home and a you know, a vehicle and a stable job, that all took place over 40 years across what I would call the uniparty. | ||
| And I would put Barack Obama having even knocked on doors for him in 2008 as an idealistic 18-year-old. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I would put him into the category of the Uniparty who appealed to, I mean, he bailed out the banks in 2008. | ||
| And so when that happens across the Reagan, uh Bush won Clinton and Bush too, and then Obama, you know, that is actually the preconditions that created the opportunity for a Trump to actually take power. | ||
| So there's it's something ironic when they're saying, oh, everybody who voted for him is a Nazi and a fascist, whereas when if you look at it through a different lens, like I started working for Mark Levin in 2015, and I saw the Tea Party and then how that kind of played into a lot of the uh grassroots approaches that Trump took to his platform, and something as simple as build a wall. | ||
| I've talked to hundreds of border patrol agents, they all say a wall is a good idea Because you can't uh drive across the border. | ||
| So, you know, and if you you kind of have to climb, that's harder than walking. | ||
| You kind of have to dig a tunnel. | ||
| That's harder than driving, right? | ||
| So, and then everybody's saying it's the dumbest thing in the world in 2016 when Trump was running on that platform. | ||
| And so it's it's like this detachment from reality that's now taking place because everybody has such a personal animus towards Trump, but they can't see the historical antecedents for that. | ||
| And it's pre it's like they're all saying it's unprecedented. | ||
| Yeah, it's unprecedented. | ||
| How uh I guess since the Gilded Age, we haven't had this disparity between the rich and the poor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's that's the last time that that's when the William Jennings Bryan really initiated that transition for the Democratic Party to go from the party of the South to the party of the working class by FDR's time. | ||
| And now we're seeing that paradigm shift in the other direction. | ||
| And it's just I'm asking the question 2016, I thought it was gonna happen, 2024. | ||
| I thought it was, oh the Democrats, maybe they'll get a reckoning. | ||
| And it just doesn't seem like they've really figured out the fact that running for the same mole business uh in DC is not gonna work among the American voters right now, especially young people. | ||
| Well, and it seems like Democrats now are beholden to that same activism class that drives the uh the same sort of ideological impulses that drive Antifa. | ||
| So it's like that's why a lot of people are saying at this point Antifa could be viewed as sort of the paramilitary arm of the Democrat Party. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's that famous Jerry Nadler quote, oh, Antifa's a myth. | ||
| Yeah, that was in the summer of 2020. | ||
| And it's but they still they're still maintaining that that is the case, that it's not really and it's it's so ridiculous because obviously now there are countless acts of violence that took place. | ||
| Uh, you know, obviously there's a um uh was it Derek Reinhold in 2020. | ||
| Uh there's a just basically uh uh praet member of the Patriot pair just shot dead in the street by somebody who actively said that they were Antifa. | ||
| I mean, literally publicly said that and then got into a shootout with police and died. | ||
| And so it's it's not new to see that Antifa has been people who actually acknowledge I'm part of Antifa have committed these violent acts, and they're still saying that it's some kind of myth. | ||
| I think it's just it's because of the echo chambers that we have, they're never gonna be in front of somebody who really holds them accountable unless they're in some house hearing, you know, once in a blue moon. | ||
| So we're also in a situation in DC where it's not just the country that's split between rural and urban and and left and right, but that the city is like if you're a reporter, it's really difficult. | ||
| Oh, where did you work? | ||
| Oh no, I'm not gonna do an interview with you because you worked at the Daily Caller. | ||
| Yeah, or the same thing happens in reverse. | ||
| Um, and that's why I appreciate Tim Cast too, because it's like you guys have cross-pollination and not everybody has to agree. | ||
| And Tim, you know, former lefty like me, like knocking on doors, I was knocking on doors for Obama. | ||
| Tim was, you know, in Ferguson and at Occupy, and then it's like really hard for the left to wrap their heads around the fact that all these people who voted for Obama then voted turned around and voted for Trump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's true. | ||
| Well, I guess one more one more question with Portland. | ||
| How effective if the National Guard is able to finally deploy, how effective do you think that's gonna be letting those federal agents do their job and conduct? | ||
| Do you think they're actually gonna be able to crack down on Antifa in any effective way? | ||
| Because I mean, there's a lot of those guys. | ||
| Well, there's a there's some factors involved. | ||
| I mean, obviously, this this case that's pending that's that's was just challenged that Trump being able to even bring them in. | ||
| Well, the fact of the matter is is first thing that happens is gonna be what happened in 2020, which is the the feds come in and then it kind of amplifies the response, right? | ||
| Because they're like, okay, here come the feds. | ||
| Now we have our cause. | ||
| Trump's stormtroopers are here. | ||
| And so in the short term, I think that will definitely happen. | ||
| And it's just a question of what the numbers are, because ultimately, however big that swelling of the crowd is, they're gonna have to match that uh from an enforcement perspective, so that they don't use to have to use the force multipliers that make things get out of control, like you know, tear gas and pepper spray. | ||
| Because ultimately, when cops use those measures, it's because they're overwhelmed, it's because they're outnumbered, it's because they need to get things under control. | ||
| So I think if you're gonna get it under control, you really just need to make sure that your numbers in terms of enforcement are greater than what they're gonna be able to dish out in the streets on the on the other side of things. | ||
| And that's where you'll see it maintain more of a peaceful posture than if you know they're they're overwhelmed and and um don't have any support from local PD and don't have any support from the local government. | ||
| Well, yeah, because that's I mean, that's what uh that's what I've seen is there's like what nine, nine hundred uh federal agents that are available to even protect these buildings. | ||
| So it's like the National Guard is a no-brainer because obviously Portland police. | ||
| I mean, the city of Portland gave the feds a code violation for boarding up the windows. | ||
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| So there's like it's clearly they're antagonistic to the feds at this point. | ||
| And it's the same thing as 2020. | ||
| I mean, people Jenny literally the Chaz took place in Seattle because from the governor Insley on down to Mayor Durkin wanted to put their thumb in the eye of Trump and get the national attention of I'm the Democratic politician who's standing up to fascism and this is Orange Man bad. | ||
| And so look at me. | ||
| I'm so righteous. | ||
| And then you get the national attention, you get the spotlight. | ||
| And that's it's the same thing taking place yet again. | ||
| And so it's gonna be a matter of whether or not they're able to m muster the actual number of people that they need out in the streets defending these various, whether it's the ice facility or the federal courthouse. | ||
| You know, if they're overwhelmed, then boom, here we have tear gas, and then here comes more chaos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, this is gonna be a wild few weeks watching this unfold. | ||
| Where uh where can people find you? | ||
| Where can they get more? | ||
| So you can check out Riot Diet at Pigeon Press.com. | ||
| And we got a couple more books coming out there, and you can follow me at at Richie McGuinness, R-I-C-H-I-E-M-C-G-I-N-N-I-S-S. | ||
| Base, dude. | ||
| Thank you, Richie. | ||
| See you next time, man. | ||
| Hey, thanks for having me. | ||
| Always a pleasure. | ||
| All righty. | ||
| All righty. | ||
| Well, that was the great Richie McGinnis. | ||
| Uh dude, so thankful he's able to hop on, really break down like the situation, what's going on there. | ||
| Dude, these videos out of Portland are just absolutely mad. | ||
| Um, so uh thankfully Trump, this litigation should you should win. | ||
| He's Trump. | ||
| He always he always wriggles out of these jams and uh see how it goes. | ||
| But uh we'll be back tonight for uh Timcast IRL at 8 p.m. | ||
| We got a big show tonight. | ||
| So uh be there for that. | ||
| You don't want to miss it. | ||
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| Uh I tried to switch up the style today. | ||
| I tried to do like uh opening monologue, like Tucker style. | ||
| Uh but I was like super rigid and stiff during, I don't know, maybe just like daydrink or something. | ||
| I think that's that seems to be what a lot of people do. | ||
| But uh I'm just kidding, just kidding, disavow. | ||
| Um, we don't do that here. | ||
| But uh yeah, thanks for watching. | ||
| Uh see you guys at Timcast IRL. |