Demand For UNMASKING ICE Grows, Immigration Court Arrests CONTINUE ft. Elaad Eliahu
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Uh, I'm a White House correspondent here at Timcast.
On my off time, I cover immigration and the Trump administration's new uh immigration initiatives and how they play out uh around the country.
So they've recently been trying to obviously up their numbers, and the President Trump administration are we Gucci?
Um so part of the new initiatives of trying to increase their numbers have been DHS and ICE agents going to different immigration courthouses around the country.
Um, mainly in New York City and California is where they have the highest numbers, and they are waiting outside of courtrooms of court proceedings for illegal immigrants.
And oftentimes they are taking them before their uh proceedings have fully finished because they are eligible for so-called expedited removals.
So the administration and DHS is prior prioritizing those who came here in the past two years or those who have a criminal record, and then after their court hearings, they are grabbing them.
And then you'll see many of these dramatic scenes outside of the courtrooms going on.
Um and despite these very dramatic scenes uh that I film while at these courthouses, only five to ten immigrant illegal immigrants are being detained per day um at these different uh courthouses.
So you're seeing that, and and actually this video, why is this important right now?
This making national news because this video in particular is of a man who is actually separated from his wife who chose to resist arrest with him and his family.
So they all chose to grab each other.
The f the agents were forced to forcibly remove them from one another.
And then if you want to scroll down to the next clip, um DHS agents, um, you know, while being physically agitated by the woman uh also who is an illegal immigrant who was frustrated with her husband being taken away, um this DHS agent reacted to him being grabbed and shoved this woman to the ground.
This got another this got a lot of pushback initially.
Um I believe the speak spokesperson for DHS, I believe her name is Trisha McLaughlin.
I'm sorry if I'm butchering that.
She said something along the lines of this being unbecoming of ICE agents.
Despite that, um, he is actually back on duty.
So 26 Federal Plaza, where these ICE agents are hanging outside of these immigration courts and doing these arrests, has increasingly become a flashpoint.
Um Democrats and activists are often going there to protest what they see as poor treatment of um people going through the court process, um, poor treatment of people in the processing facility on another floor where they take them to prepare them to be taken to a detention facility to ultimately be deported from.
And uh so that's why, you know, we're seeing a lot more of these scenes out of these courtrooms.
Yeah, I mean, so for my perspective, I was going through it earlier.
I was I was I was showing some of the the the polling as how deporting illegal immigrants and illegal criminals is extremely popular, even with Democrats.
This is a very popular position.
So going into going into the election, you had the the bro casters, I think is what you would call them.
Um that's like your your Rogans, your Tim Dillons, your Theo Vaughn's, you know, they were they were behind Trump, they were supporting Trump, these sorts of things.
And then as soon as videos like this started coming out, um, and a lot of them were were your videos, uh, everyone just soured really quickly and they were like, oh, but this is so mean, these sorts of things.
I mean, how else is ICE for my perspective, I'm sitting here, I'm like, how else is ICE supposed to conduct these these operations, especially when they're not getting any support from these blue state and blue city governments.
Most of the detainments and arrests don't look like this.
If we want to scroll through some of the others, uh, most of the them don't look like this.
But it's the power of video.
It's it's very potent.
The power of um capturing live arrests.
We could be sympathetic to criminals if we see, you know, how they're treated uh after they're arrested.
So this is ultimately, I think the safest and most reasonable way to go about it, oftentimes, because if they they've um said, I believe Todd Lyons has said that if they're not going to get them at these courthouses, or I believe it wasn't, it wasn't Todd Lyons, it was um the border um Tim Tom Homan who said that if they're not going to get them at the course at courthouses in an orderly way, they're going to be forced to go into the neighborhoods.
If they're not able to go after them in the jails, then they're gonna have to be going through the neighborhoods and then really break neighborhood trust with law enforcement, which would lead to a more detrimental situation.
So the number of agents there, frankly, actually hasn't increased um since the passing of the big beautiful bill.
The number of detainment at these immigration courts has actually gone down since the President Trump administration has begun.
And this is because as they began taking more and more people out from these courthouses, more people have been suing and they're caught up in a lot of litigation.
Also, there's issues with people um with the processing facility um allegedly not having enough room to house all the people that they're being detaining.
So between that and a couple of other factors, they've definitely been decreasing the numbers of daily detainments, at least outside of the courthouses that I've witnessed.
Yeah, the person who was actually shoved the woman to the ground was a supervisor and was hired way before anything, any of these recent big beautiful bill or or the signing bonus or what have you.
That guy wasn't getting in any of that.
This this gentleman in the plaid shirt um who's now back on duty.
No, no, the new guys have been surprisingly orderly.
Okay, all of the photographers are desperate to try to catch a story to try to slander ice.
All the photographers there are trying to catch the most dramatic moments and whatnot.
And I mean, these scenes do look very dramatic, but no, um, for by and large part things are extremely orderly.
They're not beating up or uh I don't know, they're not hanging, they're not killing, they're not assaulting any of the people who are there detaining.
If you leave in an orderly way, they'll escort you gently, frankly, in my in my estimation.
Um if you go scroll down a little bit more.
Most arrests, if you could keep going, those are some of the protests outside.
This is the very dramatic arrest, but most of the arrests are actually extremely ordered.
Keep going, go like three or so post down, if you could please.
Like many look like that one, something like this.
So the guy will ask for his court papers.
The agent will have a packet in his hand where it actually has all the information of the illegal migrant.
They'll make sure it's the correct person, and then they'll just orderly escort them down the hall.
Sometimes I'll try to ask them what country they're from.
They usually don't tell me which, uh, either because they're embarrassed.
What country are you from?
Or don't speak English.
So, yeah, but there's been a lot of consternation from the left over this because again, they think this discourages people from showing up to court.
They're uneasy with these agents being masked.
I believe Tim was also uneasy with this these agents being masked.
Some agents also used to obscure their um ice badges until like the last moment, which could be a concern for some people.
But I I believe this is actually by and large part the most orderly way to go about this.
Here's another example though.
I'm talking about this really demonstrates what's going on there.
These are hallways around courtrooms.
Most of the people who go to their court hearings aren't being detained, but there is this sense of, you know, this um illegal migrant, illegal um migrant woman with their uh presumably American child walking down these hallways with ice agents just lining the halls at a sort of into like masked agents, and there is a sort of unease.
I I will say I don't um I I talked to Todd Lyons about this, the acting director of ICE.
He said, you know, he doesn't like it, but he doesn't want to encourage you know things that could promote violence against his agents.
And I understand that, but these guys are all armed and you know, you're getting a nice signing bonus.
And this isn't an easy job, but it's an important job.
And I don't want people in law enforcement to get attacked, but uh I I think there is this uneasiness of not being able to, you know, identify.
I don't want people masked up.
I I didn't like it when Antifa masked up.
I don't like it when the the left masks up.
And um, I I understand that the consequences will be some of these ice agents getting doxxed, but guess what?
There are also just a handful of um ice agents who don't wear the masks and have dealt with the consequences and they've been fine.
So, for example, this short little girl, uh surge in the video before this, that that one, yeah.
You see this the short little woman, she's not wearing a mask.
If you want to scroll to the beginning of this, yeah, that she that woman is, I believe also a supervisor.
Well, I think the problem is like, look, if we're trying to, we we need mass deportations.
There's tens of millions upwards of 30, 40 million people to some estimates of legal immigrants in the country.
And it's like I'm not so concerned about the trust of the institutions.
I just need them to conduct their job as efficiently as possible.
And if they're getting docs and there's people showing up to their houses and giving a hard time, that that impedes the operation, the mass deportation operation.
So it's like I'm willing in the short term to make people feel a little uneasy if if what the what you know what we're trying to do is get millions and millions of legal immigrants out.
I'm I'm okay with I'm okay with them doing these sorts of things.
And it's like if you don't want a mask, that's great.
If you want the smoke, but it's like, look, I don't I don't need these guys to be thought leaders.
I don't need these guys to be, you know, you know, brave and putting their face out there.
I need them to get the job done, right?
I need them to get illegals out of the country.
So I I I mean, I don't need I don't need to test them.
I don't need, yeah, I don't need them to be like I said, I don't need them to be thought leaders.
I just need them to, and I don't care if I don't I really don't care if it makes people feel uneasy.
If you're here illegally, you should feel uneasy no matter what, because you're here illegally, you're breaking the law.
I ultimately think it's counterproductive though, because if it's DHS and ICE agents' goal to try to deport as many people possible, then they need to stay popular and uh written large among among the populace and politicians while they do so, or they won't be able to fulfill that goal.
So I think this is a small I don't I don't think I think most ICE agents would be fined if they were unmasked.
As I said, they're already a handful of agents who chose not to wear the mask.
I've spoked to agents both who do and don't wear masks, and one person told me, you know, he'd be popular if I got I'd be popular if I got doxed in my neighborhood.
Like they they all appreciate agents there, but I I do think that it does give people an easy way to sort of slander them.
If you're not proud of your work, why are you wearing like if you're proud of your work, why are you hiding your face?
I think all the arguments that people use against um Antifa in the far left hiding their face really does also apply here for law enforcement.
Well, I think I think at this point, so your first point about keeping you know popularity up of like keeping uh you know public opinion of ice popular.
I I think at this point, everyone that has an opinion on ice has you know, they've they've they've they've come to a conclusion whether they like them or not.
I don't think there's anybody that's like on the fence about ice.
So I don't really know if there's much more that ICE could do to really, you know, win over new supporters, I guess is no, I will say no.
I I mean I think they could lose supporters over this.
I think there's uh a percent of people, maybe small, maybe in the teens, maybe in the 10 to 20 percent of people who support law enforcement, but do genuinely feel uncomfortable with masked law enforcement doing their job.
And I'll give you an example.
Our boss, Tim Poole, he feels very uncomfortable.
He said before on the show, I don't know if he'll change his mind, he changes his mind often.
But he said, like, no, this is bullshit, and the ICE agents shouldn't wear these masks.
And you know, they they really do look like a form of secret police in some way.
I totally support their their, you know, what they're trying to do, and they're just enforcing the law.
They don't they don't write the law.
Um, and I think it's ultimately hurting their cause.
The the masks, like some of these videos, they uh here's the thing too.
As some on the left have said, I don't know if we caught it in the in the f the second part of the audio or what have you.
Some people say that um the intimidation is is part of what they're trying to do.
Part of the the like factoring in try like the cruelty is the point, I think is what the what the liberals and left say about this.
So if that is true, then the masks is uh are actually playing into that.
But I I I think ultimately we we saw with and you know, it's unfortunate this the environment we're in, but we've seen that the left is willing to use violence as a means to shut people up and to and impede on their uh opponents' goals.
And so I'm looking, I I guess I'll go back to my First point, which is my goal ultimately is to get as many illegal immigrants out of the country.
And as if if this causes them to lose, you know, 10, 20% of the country support-wise, I think that's worth it because the alternative is I mean, you don't know what could happen to these guys or their families.
I mean, we just can't put it past.
We're seeing coordination.
I mean, like uh with the Charlie Kirk murder, there's now like you know, a lot of people speculate there was coordination.
Who knows what these black bloc operations and in New York and Chicago and in Portland.
I mean, they probably have a list of these guys and their families and these sorts of things, and it's like whatever we these guys can do to insulate themselves from violence, uh, you know, vigilante violence, I think is worth it because ultimately I mean, I they've had trouble.
They've had they've had some difficulties hiring uh in certain in certain places, and I I want to maintain as many agents as possible.
And uh I don't want to see these guys getting, you know, getting roughed up by these leftist activists.
I think they're of being the roughed up would be in reverse, but it's well, you know, I mean, like we saw with with Kirk, and we and we we've seen with others is they're willing to go there, they're willing to to harm these guys, and and ultimately I just don't see why they need to unmask like for public.
They're already they're deport these these people that would be on uneasy with with ice agents being masked, they're gonna be uneasy with them anyway, because they're doing something they don't support, which is they're totally I will say that people who make the argument that ice agents shouldn't be wearing masks are almost exactly the same people who don't care about the far left and black bloc and antifa wearing masks and using that as a way to protect their identities while committing crimes.
So that's yeah, there's there's probably a narrow group of people that just don't want masking across the board, whether it be Antifa or I think there's like a libertarian leaning type who's like anti law enforcement, writ large, anti-authority figure writ large who feels that way.
I will say though, after um the dramatic video of the the gentleman shoving the woman to the ground, which went viral, and um many Democrats uh Congresspeople ended up commenting on um that guy was put on leave, ultimately brought back.
But uh I spoke to some of the agents around that gentleman, and after the fact of that video going out, and he told me there were efforts to dox all of them.
Yeah, all of the guys in the video.
And I I said obviously, like, of course, and that's unfortunate, and um, you know, you're you guys are masked up, but like their consequences that kind of come with the job.
I'm not saying that a consequence should be getting doxxed.
I mean, please, but they're not they're not conducting as abrasive of an operation as mass deportations, like the police have they're doing the same thing they've done for hundreds of years, versus what ICE is doing is actually on unfortunately as unprecedented, which is mass deportations that hasn't been done since like Eisenhower.
And this at least in the scale that the Trump administration is envisioning.
And so, yeah, I mean, they they are conducting an operation that is much more abrasive.
There's a large proportion of the country that really just wants to kill them.
Um, and so it's like I'm sitting here, like, yeah, I mean, I think this is in the at least in the short term, the the solution until I Tim made a good point, which is he just doesn't like that there's an environment in which federal agents have to mask for their lives.
Like that just shows you that the country is in a position that is just untenable, which is that they have to mask for their lives.
Like, well, frankly, yeah, and we should be able to crack down these people preemptively.
When it gets physical, then they have to get physical in return.
And then that's when the clips just look ugly of them like hit sticking someone.
It's like, well, I mean, that's that's what you have to do.
I I don't think these ICE agents really want to be like going out and just like you know, hit sticking random illegals.
Like that that's that's not especially if they're masking, they're already concerned about you know, they're of getting doxxed.
Why would they make it worse for themselves?
And like you were saying, that's why I asked the question earlier where I was like, I mean, are these guys sloppy?
And you're saying no.
I mean, because that's what I've seen.
These guys seem to actually be really professional, especially in their new hires and their and I think part of that is because they know they know the pressure, they know that there's a lot of eyeballs on them, and these have a million cameras on them.
They just they wanna they want mass deportations and uh they know that they're being on their best behavior and and and whatnot is how you conduct that.
All right, let's roll this uh clip back if we can, Serge.
So I had this go viral on Instagram.
Um, yeah, this clip got 15 some odd million views, and I was reading through the comments.
Very funny.
Somebody pointed out to me, it's like, yeah, this man's being detained by a little Hispanic woman, an Asian guy on the right, this fat black guy in front of us, and then a white guy.
So it's a very diverse group of ICE agents who are detaining and taking this man.
And there are a lot of young guns too who like grab a guy and run away and I'll barely be able to catch them on video because it's like a young 23, 24, 25 year old who's just excited to be there and that's what decided to be on the job.
And you know, the option there's a lot of downtime at the courts here.
I'm usually staking out for at least an hour or so to get an arrest, and so are these ice agents.
So these guys are just chilling, and they're regular dudes, they're really bros, bros.
They're cracking jokes to one another, they're they're laughing and paling around.
Um, so I know you only see them in the context of them grabbing somebody, but then on the off hours, we're just kicking back, you know, cracking jokes to one another, having a chill time.
These are just regular dudes, and a lot of them are viewers of Timcast, and so they've been a lot of very chill dudes.
A lot of they all of them follow my work, and uh I like to think they think I do a great job.
And it's cool because I'll post something, they'll be like, Oh, funny video you posted of me last night.
I have one more kind of because we can go over because you we lost like five minutes.
Um I just had like one more kind of I don't know your thoughts on it, because you've seen this because a lot of people are interacting with your tweets.
It's I I'm very frustrated.
I brought I brought it up earlier where you have this segment of the country who got behind Trump.
A lot of these people are public figures who got behind Trump for other reasons for other reasons, even though Trump's biggest issue is immigration.
He made that very clear and it always has been.
And then now that these ice reads are are conducting, they get very uncomfortable.
They they they start freaking out seeing these videos.
And I'm sitting here like, who did you think you were voting for?
Like this is how this is like his thing.
This is why I voted for him.
Um, what is your reaction been?
Are you seeing a lot of these guys that are kind of in the middle, supposedly, that are flaking because of these of these videos?
I mean, I think you it's easy to support something in principle, and then like in the real world, caught on camera in its most dramatic effect and like in its worst case scenarios are harder, it's a harder pill for certain people to swallow.
Most policy when it's enacted, like you don't really see uh much of it.
Um, but this it's it it's really eye-capturing.
Um, I I think it was inevitable that he was gonna lose some people.
And I also think it was a really it's important to notice that there's a sliding scale for how much people and what type of deportations people in our country um support.
So for example, I think people um it's like a majority position for people to support people um DHS detaining and deporting people who got here in the past two years or have criminal records.
But then I think you find decreasing support when you find, oh, what if the person had a family here?
What if they have a child here?
Then you start seeing support go down.
And then, oh, what if it's a person who's been here for 20 years?
Even if they don't have papers, a lot of Americans are still very sympathetic to people, illegal immigrants nonetheless, but uh you know, people who still still been here 20 years, you'll probably be under 50% for people who support deporting people like that.
So I think you do see a sliding scale, and then as things get more visual, people can get a little bit more flaky on it.
I think like another place where this effect is true.
It's like people who are very pro-choice, but then when you see literal images of what an abortion really is in practice, um, the ghoulishness, gruesomeness of it can help sway someone's mind.
And I also want to note that that's not ever, that's not actually my goal with the journalism here.
As many people on the right accused me of like trying to garner sympathy for illegal immigrants through my work.
I'm just trying to document the Trump administration's immigration policy in action and and how that's panning out.
A lot of people also told me that uh I shouldn't be posting this stuff and like that it's bad that I'm posting this because I will be deported soon enough.
But I'll have you know that I'm a child of United States citizens.
Although, hey, we maybe we should start deporting people with um American citizenship.
I I've actually seen a funny post where it the meme where it was like, oh, just because uh, you know, you had a fudge in rat infestation or a bug infestation that's in your house, right?
That that it was homeborn.
That doesn't mean it's a good thing.
I do still have the infestation that you need to remove.
Cancer is a so-called natural thing that your body can produce, but it doesn't mean that it it's it should be there to stay.
And it would actually be harmful for you to keep it there.
I do think we should look at denaturalizing people like Zoran.
I these paperwork Americans are a big problem.
Like they're that's why that term exists, paperwork American.
They're American on a technicality versus people that have been here that have stake in the country, et cetera, et cetera.
And I I do think people levying those accusations at you that you're like somehow trying to undermine our deportation operation.
I think it's just ridiculous.
I think I think if anything, this is useful for people to see that, like, hey, they're actually doing things because they're I think the concern from a lot of people on the right is that we're not deporting enough, that we're not uh involved.
We I mean, as far as the courts go, um, I don't know if it caught in the second part of the audio because I repeated myself again, but there's like something like five to ten sure deportations, a relatively low amount given how many people come through the court and they're actually eligible to be do um deported and detained, but ultimately aren't.
I've sat in on many court cases where the court the judge will say that they are um eligible for expedited removal, but the ice agents didn't have them on their target list, or for one reason another or another, if the processing center had too many people, or there's other litigation that is ongoing.
There are many other eligible people to be deported at these courthouses that they aren't doing.
Um depends on how you look at it.
That means there's a lot more to ramp up if the administration wanted to.
Yeah, Tate, thanks for giving me the opportunity to platform some of my immigration reporting.
In addition to my White House reporting, you can find a lot more videos of my coverage at these courthouses and ice activity um at Alad Eliyahu at Instagram on Instagram and Twitter um at a lot alive.
Thank you guys um for tuning in and uh long live Taycast.