🚨Charlie Kirk Suspect Captured, Antifa Confirmed w/ Dr. Josef, Laura Delano, Alex Stein
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The governor of Utah, as well as the FBI and the sheriff, they have stated the man who killed Charlie Kirk has been captured.
They explained in detail the engravings on the bullet casings, which based on how this individual was turned in, that is, he was turned in by a family member.
They explained that the family members personally had a conversation with the suspect, stating that Charlie Kirk had spread hate speech or hateful rhetoric.
The bullet casings expressed furry memes, furry culture memes, it appears, as well as anti-fascist ideology, notably saying, hey, fascist catch, as well as hey, bella chow, which is a song that was sung by Italian resistance fighting Nazis and fascists.
So it seems to be that this is, at least for now, based on the assessment by law enforcement, a left-aligned individual who assassinated Charlie Kirk, he has been captured.
There will be breaking news that is still coming out throughout the day, so we'll be tracking that.
Normally, we just kind of have the general conversation.
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But we will be discussing for this show the underlying cause of the mental illness in this country, illness in general, what's plaguing us, but the political violence.
And considering the response we've seen from the corporate press, as well as many prominent left-aligned and liberal individuals, which are either claiming both sidesism, glorifying the death of Charlie Kirk, I'm certainly, I have a lot of strong statements to make.
And I'll start simply by saying, because it's personal and I want to say it, the amount of security that I have and other personalities in a similar space is incomparable to the amount of freedom and lack of security that our counterparts on the left have.
But I can just tell you based on the events we hold versus the events we see on the left, the amount of security we have is substantially higher.
I'm not going to explain in detail the security details of my friends and other commentators, but let me just start by saying the conversations with liberals and the shows that I know don't have 24-7 armed guards surrounding their homes for the most part, even among lesser-known personalities on the right.
There are people on the right who are not as famous as Charlie and others who have to live under 24-7 armed guard and surveillance because of the threats that we face.
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We here at TimCast were swatted 15 times in one year.
A man in a dress showed up to our property for which it's an old property, we're no longer there, and attacked one of the residents as they were lurking around the property filming.
There are many other security breaches that we've had that I do not discuss because I don't want to explain how these people have breached our security.
But let's just say it's resulted in prosecutions, law enforcement intervention, and it is a common occurrence for us.
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Considering what just happened to Charlie, we're all taking everything very, very seriously.
But I am, of course, personally curious to understand where we are headed in this country.
What is the underlying cause?
And I personally just will not tolerate this both sidesism.
A poll was released yesterday by political polls, YouGovData, showing that 77% of Republicans believe it is always unacceptable to gloat over the death of someone they oppose, while only 30% of Democrats shared that view.
I grew up, spent the most formative years of my life, and I'm deeply invested in this idea that I had all these diagnoses and needed all these medications for life, and that my purpose in life was to go to therapy and refill my prescriptions.
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And the more I kind of internalized this way of understanding myself, the more my life fell apart.
And I wrote a book about it called Unshrunk that I highly recommend.
And yeah, and like Yosef, a lot of my work is about helping people who've realized the mental health industry is not actually helping them and they want to kind of take their lives back from meds and from kind of professional patient identity.
And the reason I, and this phrase is going viral, the reason I think people are not mentioning this is because, let me see if I can know your meme, I think, has the news.
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I think CBN and other outlets don't know what this means.
So when they heard that, they thought it was random nonsense.
This is the original meme referenced by Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged shooter.
And it's furry, it's furry porn reference, and that's it, right?
So we have Urban Dictionary.
And it says, quote, snuggles and pounces on you and notices bulge.
Ooh-woo, what's this?
And we also have the reference to Bella Chow.
Hey, fascist catch is particularly obvious what that means.
So this individual apparently was at home having dinner with family.
The family was expressing disdain for Charlie and the things he had been saying.
And that, as well as the inscriptions, the opinions expressed by the individual, I think it is beyond a reasonable doubt, at least according to the evidence presented, this individual was antifa aligned, leftist aligned, and targeted Charlie for his politics.
Now, we're hearing a lot from the media, from these personalities.
Chris Cohn wrote a viral clip where he said, I do not see you as victims.
Political polls says, YouGov data, 77% of Republicans believe it is always unacceptable to feel joy at the death of someone they oppose, while only 38% of Democrats share this view.
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33% of Democrats think it's usually unacceptable, whereas only 12% of Republicans, that is, the majority of Republicans say is never acceptable.
It's always unacceptable.
And among those on the Democratically aligned who believe it's either always or sometimes acceptable, 11% compared to Republicans, 6%.
And 4% of Democrats believe it is always acceptable to gloat over the death of a public figure they oppose, while Republicans are at 2%.
I'm curious what you guys think about the state of political violence.
Obviously, I've made my point several times already that it is clearly lopsided.
The left is either substantially more willing to engage in the rhetoric, they're doing it now.
They're gloating over Charlie's death.
And I'm going to stress this, even with the opinions people have expressed about George Floyd on the right.
When George Floyd was died, every conservative, even Ben Shapiro, was saying this is bad.
It was wrong.
When Charlie dies, they post memes saying he got what he deserved.
Or they're selling t-shirts and they're saying, debate this.
I mean, we've been hearing messages from left-leaning media for a long time that, you know, if you have certain opinions that are, you know, not, you know, the usual kind of work, you know, woke talking points, you're a fascist and you're dangerous and you should be silenced.
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And I think if you just, if you keep on hearing that stuff, after a while, you feel emboldened to act on it.
And you feel like you're actually doing something good when you're really doing something horrific.
Have you noticed any correlation in your career with giving people psychiatric medication that they will do or that someone that's medicated will tend towards like a disassociative lash out of some sort?
Yeah, yeah.
And so all of these medications, and I know this is covered up in a big way, all of these medications have the ability to make people violent.
And this is not even hidden.
Is already in the drug labels.
I mean, we're not talking about common side effects.
And so you can have these unexpected reactions to things.
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And when you have like 15% plus of the population taking SSRIs, you know, over 20% taking psychiatric medications, which are already known to cause violence in the FDA labels, you're going to get these one in a million cases that happen where you have people, you know, they'll engage, you know, they'll kill people.
Homicides will happen.
Suicides will happen.
And it's completely covered up.
Yeah.
The media does this out of a place of, it's like almost compassion, but it's kind of twisted because we need to be talking about these things.
They say you can't talk about the link between violence and psychiatric meds because you're going to scare people away from life-saving medications.
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Right, but there's a big concern with that, which is, I mean, I've watched these drug ads and at the end, they say may cause anything from diarrhea to suicide.
And personally, I don't want to take a drug that does either of those things.
And the insane thing is, especially when we're looking at the population who is below 25, who are the most likely to have side effects, you look at the clinical trials, there is a higher rate of suicide attempts in the people who are put on these medications.
So at a population level, you're more likely to try and take your life if you're put on an antidepressant than if you're given placebo.
It is insanity giving these medications out the way we are to kids right now.
I guess the argument would be that they're already suicidal, which is why they're going on psychiatric meds to begin with, and that they were already more likely to do that.
And every time me and his dad were like, no, we're not doing that.
We're not doing that.
Well, would you consider it will help him in school?
Maybe he needs a prescription.
And we were like, nope, nope.
Maybe have more recess.
We're not doing any of these things.
And it was shocking the number of times that they insisted to us that this happy, healthy, rambunctious, you know, excited for life, jubilant little boy was like a problem.
And all of the things that they were telling me were a problem are like signs of life.
You know, there was, there was never any, you know, never any issues.
And in fact, like he told me recently that as a kid, he would sometimes have like emotional outbursts, right?
I mean, we want to put problems in people's brains, you know, rather than actually like looking at the school or the society or the problems going on in the families or all of these things.
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It's so much more convenient to say, Libby, your son has a brain disorder.
You're just coming into yourself as an autonomous, agentic being when you're hitting puberty, as I was when I was first medicated.
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And so you don't even realize, having been on these meds for basically a decade and a half, I had no idea what I was losing and what I never got access to because I had no baseline to refer back to.
I didn't have, you know, decades lived and then started a medication in my 40s and then realized like, wow, I'm kind of losing touch with my sexual function or my personality.
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I had no baseline.
And I think a lot of this, like, I'm not going to speculate about psych drugs in this, in any of these killings.
But what I can say for myself, having been heavily medicated, having tried to kill myself in a very extreme way in my mid-20s, is that a lot of this, I think, is about disembodiment at a deeper spiritual level, even.
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I think you can't wish violence against someone else or be happy when someone else is killed unless you are out of touch with your own humanity.
You cannot dehumanize someone else unless you yourself are dehumanized.
And I do think that the psychiatric drug issue, while I'm not going to, you know, say it's causing anything, I think it's a big piece of this puzzle because with so many young people growing up medicated, growing up disconnected from their instincts, from their capacity to feel empathy, to feel compassion.
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That was my experience.
I'm not saying it's the experience of everyone on these drugs, but I know I'm far from alone.
And to think back to that moment when I made the decision to kill myself, I was, it made total sense to me.
It was perfectly logical given the story I was believing about having this incurable brain disease, like Yosef said, like I, the reason I feel this way isn't because of my relationship to the world around me.
It's because I have faulty brain chemicals.
I've tried all these meds.
I've seen the best doctors everywhere.
I'm still getting worse.
There's no point in going on.
I truly believe I would not have reached that point of choosing to kill myself were I not disembodied, fundamentally disconnected from myself.
And it's not just medications that do this.
It's so many kind of facets of our society, social media, digital, the digitally mediated relationships, food, big food.
You know, you could go on and on all the ways for disease.
Laura, I want to pick up that thread about, like, we don't, what we don't want to do is get to a place where we're just saying anytime a mass shooting happens, it was due to psychiatric medications.
Clearly, there's an element of social contagion going on with these events.
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I may be unpopular by saying this, but clearly the availability of guns, you know, if someone is highly unstable and there's a lot of guns around, they're grabbing a gun.
They're not grabbing a knife.
Yeah, but with the real quick, the last seven trans shooters were all on hormones.
Well, that's the thing.
Or like SSRIs too.
We were all on pills.
And so, you know, Laura was talking a moment ago about feeling disembodied on psychiatric medications.
And when experts have looked at this and they say, you know, how do these drugs make people do this?
There was a very interesting, I know we were all talking about Charlie Kirk earlier a couple of years ago.
I was at the Young Women's Leadership Summit, which was at one of the events that he did.
And I was on a panel talking about faith and being, you know, a person of faith living in a large liberal city.
I was in New York at the time.
And a young woman stood up and she said something that was absolutely fascinating.
And I've been thinking about it, you know, pretty regularly for about three years.
And she said, I don't think that we've really comprehended how far kids who grow up in liberal environments are removed from values.
So, for example, when I grew up, the word soul was a very weird word, like that's something that weird people said.
So when people had to try and express their internal tumult, they would use words like, I'm depressed or I'm anxious, or they would assign some sort of medical value to it.
Another example is the way that people who grow up in liberal environments get a sense of purpose and meaning from being part of the Democratic Party or having, you know, being part of a rebellion, she said, or even as we see now, people celebrating their mental illness and saying, oh, that's my, my, you know, I'm a little autistic coming out.
That's my, I've PTSD from one time my teacher yelled at me coming out or whatever.
And she said, you know, that's what she was saying.
And this notion that the soul has been replaced with perceived medical conditions or mental conditions.
And then this morning during the press conference with Governor Cox in Utah, one of the reporters said, is there any indication of mental illness?
I mean, do you find that, that perhaps we have taken what used to be meaning derived from faith or from, you know, a community that has moral grounding to this other much more amorphous situation.
I mean, yeah, I think with the decline in religious community, people are lost.
I think they're lacking purpose.
And when you go online and you could say it's, you know, liberal politics, it could be like the trans community as well.
It could be having a mental health condition.
I follow social media a lot.
And so I see things going on on TikTok.
And these are communities that people are drawn into.
And they're kind of celebrated, especially on the left, where there is this, you know, there's a social currency almost with being a sexual minority or being someone with a mental health condition.
It's like you are stigmatized, you are victimized, and we're going to bandy together and we're going to fight against the injustice.
And so I think that you can have vulnerable people who are confused, who maybe don't have something like God and religion, get kind of pulled into these places to feel like they're a part of something.
And to fill that place inside that's empty.
Yeah.
So to me, a lot of this is about the ubiquity of medicalization, just as you were saying, Libby.
I think over the past 70 years, and I go into this in my book, because when I was writing, it's mostly a memoir, but I realized I have to tell the bigger story of the American mental health industry here.
To understand what happened to me, I have to investigate the bigger story of our country and how over the last 70 years, the rise of the mental health industry has kind of infused our meaning-making apparatus as a culture with medicalized discourse.
So the deeper spiritual or existential or philosophical language that we, until a second ago in the span of human history, would use to understand ourselves gets slowly replaced with lists of symptoms and clinicales and just sterile jargon that gives the illusion of self-understanding.
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Because I cannot tell you how much relief I felt at the beginning when I did embrace my various diagnoses, like, oh, wow, I can look at this list of symptoms.
And as Joseph was saying, and as you were saying, Libby, like the fact that we are yearning for that speaks to the void in our culture of community, of a sense of belonging, of, and it makes me think of the philosopher and writer, social critic, Yvonne Illich, who was a former priest who wrote about, he wrote about how, you know, all these various kind of industries in our culture, whether it's the medical industry or the education industry,
they set out and kind of promote themselves as being these helping institutions that are going to solve X, Y, Z problem, but they actually end up perpetuating the very problem that they claim to set out to treat.
And in the case of health, he called it this idea of medical nemesis, that the medical industry has kind of claimed this monopoly on what it means to be human, what it means to suffer, to struggle, to yearn, to feel desire.
It's monopolized how we understand that for ourselves, which then monopolizes what you do with it.
Because if you have a mental illness, then the only logical thing to do is to get treatment from a medical professional.
But if you're having an existential crisis or a crisis of faith or a crisis of loneliness, then the solutions, quote unquote, are not necessarily going to be medical.
So the issue that I think we have in this country is that mental illness is often stated by the right as an easy answer to a state of physical brain construction among large swaths of the population.
That is, many of these people that are on the left, and I'm not saying it's only the left, I'm just saying we see it predominantly on the left.
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It is not that their brains don't work.
Their brains are perfectly functioning.
They just believe things that are not true.
And we've had this discussion before on this show as well as Tim Cast IRL.
The difference between someone who is suffering from paranoid delusion, schizophrenia, somebody who might say that out of the corner of their eye, they always see little men trying to steal their stuff and a voice tells them to chase them around, things like this.
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I had a friend who told me that she had a camera orbiting her body that was placed there by the government that spot on her and she could see it floating around her and she knows it's there.
And she was being medicated.
That is easily pointed out as, okay, there is something wrong with your brain.
But what happens when someone is raised in a culture that tells them something as insane as you can't see the camera floating around your body, but trust us, it's there.
They don't actually see it.
They don't hear anything.
but they still live in this world where they believe the government has been implanting invisible orbiting cameras around them, something we know to be absolutely insane.
There's no way to treat a form of developed psychotic delusion.
I assume that you could always make an argument there is.
I mean, what?
Deprogramming?
Yeah, pulling people out of a cult, that kind of mindset.
But we're talking about people who, if we go back to Donald Trump coming down the escalator, the saying goes that every seven years, every cell in your body has been replaced.
We are our own ship of Theseus.
If someone, anyone alive today has lived in the world of the corporate press, which is still right now lying, you know what, I want to pull up one of these lies.
Every fiber of their being is screaming things that are not true.
How do you actively?
There's nothing you can do.
Let me show you this tweet, for instance.
ABC News tweeted, well, President Trump has called for an end to political violence following the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
CNN the other day, when the news broke from Stephen Crowder that the bullets were engraved with anti-fascist and trans ideology, the Wall Street Journal confirmed this through their own source.
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CNN reported it was cultural issues engraved that were being analyzed.
So there are people who exist only in that space who are told every day, Charlie Kirk hates black people, but that's fabricated.
It's not real.
Charlie Kirk, in one viral video that was actually recommended to me on Instagram, referred to a black child as a gift from God.
What do we do when we are dealing with a mental illness that was intentionally programmed by activist organizations to put people into a state of paranoid delusion that there are Nazis around every corner?
There's no medication that will change that because this is a programming issue.
I mean, this breaks my heart because, I mean, the solution really was to have Charlie Kirk because he was going out there to these universities and he was putting in FaceTime, having people like listen to him about these issues, having difficult questions, difficult conversations.
I mean, and that's what we really need more of.
We need to humanize the other side.
I love social media for that, although I get censored and I know a lot of people do get censored for having these things.
But I think the more we can break away from ABC News and like CNN and these places that have just a very, to me now, it's a very obvious narrative to serve their base rather than trying to be helpful and actually see things in a logical, rational way, the more exposure that we can have and get these ideas out there.
I think that will de-radicalize people.
I think they will wake up to it slowly.
And I think it is happening.
I do think so.
It's tough.
I want to be optimistic.
Following this brutal assassination of a political leader and friend, I was hoping that your more moderate or default liberals, who do believe things that are not true because of, as I described, would be shocked to see such a graphic and horrific incident.
And today I woke up and looked at Instagram stories from people that don't spend time in politics.
They only just, you know, they post a black square profile picture for George Floyd.
They'll repost some activist talking point.
And I'm seeing several videos being shared by many of these individuals who are well known.
justifying the death, saying things like, Charlie got the world that he wanted, so be it.
Saying things that Charlie Kirk wanted to kill you, so they killed him.
Saying things like, this is a man who genuinely hated black people and wanted them dead, all fake, all lies.
And these were supposed to be sane, rational people, people that I knew that I could still talk to.
And I don't, I don't know how we move forward right now.
There are posts on X with 20 million views of people saying, who's next?
He deserved it.
Yeah.
And it kind of goes back to what you were saying about what happens when you are raised in a culture that tells you there are invisible cameras circling your body and you have the delusion.
What happens when you're raised with delusion?
And you also mentioned that these are not people who are particularly involved in politics.
So what happens is they hear from trusted sources like ABC or MSNBC or the others that Charlie Kirk is a fascist, that this very Christian man who espoused peace is hateful and evil, right?
This guy was politically dressed up as Trump for Halloween.
No, not this guy.
I mean, like, in general, the people who are on social media saying this stuff, they're not steeped in politics, but they believe everything that they've heard that's negative about Charlie, and they've never looked into it themselves.
Look at stupid Stephen King, right?
He espoused this whole thing of like Charlie wanted to stone gay people or whatever, and then everyone was like, you are wrong.
There's no reason whatsoever for this to happen to Charlie Kirk.
Like, there's a million other people this could have happened to, and it would not have this effect.
So this happening to Charlie Kirk is why this is so impactful.
This is what's scary, is that those of us who knew Charlie, and I don't just mean personally, I mean those who knew who he really was, knew that he was a really nice guy.
He was not somebody who went on TV and was angry.
There are a lot of people in the space, especially on the right, who are angry and are yelling and saying, you know what, these people, I'll tell you.
That wasn't Charlie.
And that's one of the reasons I think it was so impactful and horrifying is that Charlie was always really calm and nice.
And at the bare minimum, the worst emotion you got from him when you debated him was him scoffing or laughing and saying, what?
He would, you know, I've watched, I've seen so many of his videos.
He would only, the closest he ever got is when he would give back what he was given.
To the point that I was making about these people and their views, you know, mentioning that they're raised in this society.
They go online and they're surrounded by people saying, these people are fascists.
Punch Nazis.
Nazis are bad.
The way I've explained it before is we all know that feeling because there are certain things you cannot do in public.
There are certain things that if you do, you will be shunned or harassed or isolated or and there are things you know you would react to.
For instance, most people on the left and the right, if they witnessed a man yelling racial slurs at another man, would be mad about it and would say, hey, you can't do that.
That is the overwhelming majority of this country.
Racists exist.
So we know that feeling of if you were sitting down at a restaurant and you saw a guy get up and start screaming at a black man and insulting him, was minding his own business or his family and calling him names, you would react viscerally.
You work at the shop would say, get out of here.
Don't you do that.
So we understand that feeling.
The problem is there is a generation and the liberal political faction that have been raised to believe that that racist guy screaming racial slurs was you, me, was Charlie.
So when someone comes out and tells them, imagine if someone said, that guy who was threatening to murder that black woman, calling her racial slurs, and was taunting her and poured a milkshake on her head, walked outside and got hit by a car.
People are going to be like, wow.
And you're not really going to feel that bad.
That's where liberals are right now.
That's because of the lies, the intentional lies from ABC News, from CNN, from MSNBC.
Remember MSNBC said when Charlie got shot, perhaps someone was firing celebratory gunfire?
They also said he was divisive.
And he said awful things, so he gets awful actions.
These are people who imagine they're on a boat and all around them, that's the only thing they're told and they can see.
They can't get to the ship or the landmass that we're on where we're welcoming of everybody.
And what terrifies me the most about it is layered in this psychology that has been developed by these media organizations is if you talk to Charlie and he says something different from what we told you, it is because he is lying to trick you so that you abandon your values.
And then every interaction these liberals have with any of us, there is a veil of, I know that if you agree with me, it's you lying to trick me.
So I won't believe anything you say no matter what you say.
This is making me think of the role of, to get back to what you were talking about earlier, Libby, and I think actually I saw a great clip of you talking about this from recently.
I think at the heart of this phenomenon that we're talking about, and I think it's across the culture and not even necessarily just political in nature, is the privileging of your emotions, especially your outrage and your anger and basically letting your anger shape your perceptions of reality and define what you think of as true.
And I think a lot of that, what is a part of the root of that, I think, is this ubiquity of therapeutic culture where so many young people, I was just doing an interview earlier this morning, and we were talking about the stat that 72% of Gen Z girls, women, 72% of them have their mental health condition, quote unquote, as a deeply important part of their identity.
And so young people are growing up.
And I'll talk about what this was like for me because it was just so powerful.
And this was all like affluent girls, just all of them.
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Same with me.
And so when you grow up in this, infused in this therapeutic landscape where you're like as someone who is in therapy every week for a decade and a half, sometimes twice a week.
And I'm just talking about myself, talking about my mind, talking about my thoughts, talking about my insecurities, my anger, my emotions.
And it's just getting more and more reinforced that the most important thing in my life to focus on is myself and my feelings.
I think when you think about that phenomenon in an individual and how it can shape their own reality, and then you pan out and you think about how many young adults grew up in therapy, privileging their emotions.
And then you think, okay, it kind of makes sense.
We're in this polarized, like Tim, you were saying, people are literally living in different realities, literally.
You know, it's like, I'm being oppressed by people out there.
They're out to get me.
Anything that they say is dangerous and it's a lie.
And look where it gets them.
I don't think you can actually get anywhere really useful in life if you constantly feel like, you know, people are out to get me.
These people on the right and their ideas and they're holding us down or even the mental health issue as well, where it's like, I have a brain disease.
My anxiety and depression is caused by my brain.
And there's nothing that I can actually do to fix that problem.
And unfortunately, that is a mentality.
And I remember you were, I was watching you on Tucker Carlson recently, Laura, and I think he asked, he said, you know, what would you have said to me if I said, hey, maybe, you know, medications aren't the answer or there's not something.
And I think you told him to F off or something like that.
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Like it was so like deep.
Yeah, well, I cannot tell you how powerful it is to be taught to think that you have no agency or control over your life because your brain is defective.
Like I literally believed through these vital years when I was meant to be figuring out who I was as an adult in the world and like what I cared about and what my passions were.
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I was moving through every single day thinking, what's the point in really trying to grow or evolve as a person because my brain is pathological, I have chemical imbalance in my brain that I'll never be able to get rid of.
I can just manage it with pills.
So like, what's the point in trying to become a more evolved person to grow, to change?
And I think that sense of disempowerment, that internalizing a mentally ill identity, you know, it stripped me of any belief that I could be an agent in my life.
And I think just to quickly, like Tim, to your question earlier, like, you know, I can't remember exactly how you framed it, but I'm really cautious to medicalize violence ever, to call it mental illness, because it really does absolve responsibility.
The idea is if you're mentally ill, you did this not because you're a bad person or a lazy person or, you know, an immoral person because you're sick and it's not your fault.
And so I think we need to be really cautious when we medicalize any kind of.
This is the corporate press, which we typically describe as more left-aligned, describes people as though they are animals without higher brain function.
This man who made a decision to the way I've described it, as we've discussed on the show this past week, before the horrifying moments in Utah, was if you slathered yourself up in honey and peanut butter and carried some delicious trout into the woods, who is responsible for the attack on you?
And that's the argument made by Democrats, which seems insane.
We don't blame the bear for smelling food and chasing after it.
However, when Irina Zarutska goes and sits on a train, not slathering herself up in anything, and is brutally murdered, they say, don't blame the murderer.
Van Jones attacked Charlie Kirk as a race monger for pointing out that this man attacked Irina Zarutska, a young white girl, and not anybody else who was sitting near him, who were black.
And Van Jones said, to say you know it was because of race is just race mongering.
After a decade of Van Jones himself, as well as many others in the corporate press, literally race mongering over instances that is no evidence that it was race motivated.
And of course, then after this segment comes out, video emerges.
I do believe the video was available, but became more prominent in which it appears this man, DeCarlos, says, I got that white girl.
And on national television, Van Jones singled out Charlie Kirk as a race monger spreading hate against black people.
And I believe it was perhaps two days later that a man who was according to the, I think it's a fair prediction that there was a correlation between the words of Van Jones.
And I know some people might say that's distasteful for me to say.
But as the press conference revealed, they said that this suspect was at home with his family when mention of Charlie Kirk coming to their town was brought up and how the family member said he was hateful.
And why did they think that Charlie Kirk was hateful?
He wasn't.
Because of people like Van Jones lying about what Charlie Kirk was saying.
And then sure enough, this guy went and killed Charlie Kirk.
You asked earlier, how do you snap someone out of a world where they believe there are orbs flying around them recording them?
When I say that, I'm referring specifically to a person that I know, but let's make sure we clarify the point.
What do you say to a person who was raised to believe incorrectly that around every corner are angry white supremacists looking to murder trans and black people?
And here's my answer.
You were saying it's people like Charlie Kirk that are the antidote to this kind of thing.
People that can constantly, but there's also, you need to mitigate risk of susceptibility.
So people that are susceptible to brainwash, somehow, whether it's dietary change, probably a lot of your intelligence starts in your gut.
Getting people like less is more.
Meditate.
I mean, talk about medication, meditation.
It's do it because it's a disembodiment, yet an embodiment at the same moment.
You sense things.
Let me try and translate that eonism.
The food you eat can destroy and damage your brain.
But as much as I agree, and as we've cheered Maha on and talking about getting the garbage out of our foods, which does disrupt our hormones, does cause, you know, in many instances, a variety of illnesses in our psyche.
The distinction here is, while that is correct and true, and probably a large portion of what we're seeing, people living in cities, as you've pointed out before, breathing in break dust every day, when you live in these cities, you are inundated endlessly with environmental toxins, which are attacking your senses and your mind and your body.
But I will draw that distinction from the other point that I'm making as well, which I do say is with respect to your point, Ian, it's a good point.
The other point, of course, being people who are raised and being poisoned by false information, which creates a worldview where they genuinely believe that cops, for instance, murdered 20,000 unarmed black men in one year when the number was actually nine out of 300 million interactions.
They live in a world of fabrication, a false reality.
When someone is suffering from schizophrenia and there is something broken in their brain where they believe that literally they hear voices and they see things that aren't there.
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We prescribe drugs that we believe will stop those symptoms and help them connect more with reality.
There's varying degrees of success, perhaps.
But there's a big difference between someone who has just seen 800 times posts on Facebook saying white supremacists will kill you over and over and over again.
CNN and ABC, trusted news sources saying the right is more dangerous.
There's no medication for that.
No, I think less is more a lot of times too, is like reduce the things you're putting into yourself so that you can be more clear.
And there are people I've seen like snapping out of this narrative in the last day or two where they're like, I can't be on the left anymore.
This is insane that you would celebrate this.
And people that are highly disembodied don't normally have those epiphanies.
Right, because they've silenced their own brains.
You know, they've silenced their own measure of cognition.
But I think what you're saying about people snapping out of it, it takes something, right?
Men aren't women no matter what you do, no matter what you cut off or ingest or how you look or put on lipstick.
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You're not a woman.
And so it takes something for people to be like, and then after that, I started, I was like, oh, wait, if that's wrong, what else is wrong?
Oh, all of these other things are completely wrong, you know, are completely misidentified in our culture and are made up.
But we have a situation now where not only are kids medicated and disassociated from themselves and started at a young age so that, you know, and the same is true with the puberty blockers and the cross-sex hormones.
But like, so what happens is if that's what happens to you and you grow up this way and you're constantly scrolling and you never take in and you're constantly navel-gazing, like you were saying, you know, you're constantly like looking inside yourself for all the truth of the universe, you know, and your school is not great, which we know our education system is the pits right now.
I think a lot of this, when I think about my own trajectory, my kind of awakening was that you had my equivalent was waking up to this, the fact that I'd basically been indoctrinated into a psychiatric framework for understanding myself.
So that was my first onion layer that then began questioning many other onion layers.
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And when I think what the challenge here that you're getting at is my own waking up process was a completely internally sourced aha moment.
No one could have, I mean, the information was around me for years that there's no such thing as a chemical imbalance.
And like Tim, even schizophrenia, even these serious diagnoses, it might sound shocking, but to date, there is zero evidence that even like bipolar was my main label.
Schizophrenia, bipolar, these serious labels, that there's actually any measurable pathology that's causing them.
That is what woke me up was realizing this system I'd been turning to for help for all these years to care for me is actually a system of control.
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I just hadn't seen it before because I had always said yes.
And now that I'm saying no, I'm literally having my civil liberties stripped away from me and my bodily integrity violated by a drug I don't want to take.
And I do think that's sometimes it is a forcing mechanism that is traumatic, that does wake you up.
And you obviously don't want that to have to be what everyone has to go through to wake up.
It often is, right?
You need to have a rock bottom moment.
Like if you have an ideology or a way of looking at the world that does not serve you and your life begins to suffer, and I mean, this could be thinking that, you know, half of America is racist and because of that, you don't get along with them.
I mean, that's going to have an impact on your life.
It's going to have an impact on your work.
And ultimately, things don't work out for you.
And when things don't work out for you, you become unhappy.
And I guess one of the problems that we have with that is people aren't reflecting on these ways of moving through the world that aren't helping.
They can then go to a doctor and just take a medication and they can numb themselves to the fact that their life isn't working out rather than looking at why.
Yeah, they said when someone was saying that if you spend a lot of your time doing easy things, you become a prey animal.
You become, in like video games, if you're just always doing like no risk things, you become.
And I've noticed with drugs, if I'm ever smoked pot, I'm like, what my main focus is is feeling better.
And it had been like two months, three months of like just terrible sleep.
And my doctor was like, okay, well, why don't we get you some ambien, just like a heavy-duty sleeping pill.
So then I start taking the ambien and, you know, it was sort of fun because you get loopy, but I was like taking this ambien and then the same thing would happen, except instead of waking up all night, I was having nightmares all night.
And I would wake up and I'd be like, oh, that was not, that's not better.
And that was like an easy fix, but imagine if the problem like that you weren't sleeping was there was an issue in your relationship, right?
Or there was an issue at work that really needed to be addressed and you were ruminating on it and you go and see a doctor and they go, Libby, it's the chemical imbalance.
That problem just like festers there and it doesn't go away.
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And then you're hooked on a drug instead of actually getting to the root of what was going on.
It's not because you're eating ice cream at midnight.
That's not the issue.
And sometimes, you know, I worry this trans, like, I mean, there's been talk recently about transgender, transgenderism, the medications and violence, really.
And I know a couple of weeks ago, there was this horrific attack at the Catholic Church.
Yeah, in Minneapolis, where they, where, was it Robin?
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Yeah.
It was Robert, who called himself Robin Westman.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Went and did that.
And then there were these notes about regretting transitioning.
And I, and to me, I just see that as the end outcome.
You have someone who is confused, who ends up getting cheerleaded into transitioning, who knows what kind of hormone medications they were exposed to and what kind of psychiatric medications they were exposed to.
And at the end, they become so bitter and angry with the world, like this bad ideology and the fact that no one ever tried to direct this person back away from that and kind of just, I imagine this person getting cheerleaded through transitioning and then onto medication and then just becoming so unstable, they take it out on society.
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I mean, it's just...
Not just regret, but not only did he have regret, he was embarrassed that he'd ever done it in the first place and didn't see a way out, didn't see a way to save face and get out of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And this might sound a little cheesy, but I do think that this is where storytelling becomes so important because that sense of hopelessness is too late for me.
Like when I think about it in the context of people who are waking up to, you know, being on, being psychiatriz is the term I like to use.
And you realize these two decades of these meds I've been on, have they permanently damaged me?
I mean, it's why I wrote my book and it's why I think when we, when you speak as a psychiatrist, when I speak as a former patient, you know, framing it in our own personal journey, like you, Libby, talking about your own journey, I think that's what enables, like, like to me, it's not going to be information and science and data and facts that changes people's minds.
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It's going to be connecting, helping people connect or even reconnect with their own hearts, which happens through telling stories.
And I think that's a really important.
And, you know, that people like Charlie, like people who are, who, who, who care so deeply about bringing people together to share about their own perspectives, their own experiences, to create space where you can hear someone talking about their own journey through life, their own belief system.
It's in those kinds of encounters that the opportunity to have your own aha moment, your own shift, your own, you know, inspiration to actually change your mind, to evolve, to grow.
I think it sounds cheesy, but to me, it's like, that's where the power is.
In the modern age person.
There's a reason it's cheesy.
It's cheesy because it's real.
And it's amplified in the modern age with mass media because if five people sit around and each give their personal anecdotes, in a day, 150 years ago, it would have happened, blink of an eye.
Maybe there would have been some spiritual ramification.
Now with internet video, it's persistent.
People for 100 years will listen to that and remember.
So as it can go bad with mass media and mass formation, it can go, you can mass form it into a really good mindset.
Well, I just want to say this, though.
I think we're at like an inflection point where society is almost like post-apocalyptic right now.
Like I don't even know if there is a way to even go back with like the access to pornography on the internet.
I mean, once now that we have the internet, like we're done.
I mean, I don't know how a kid can even grow up and not like, I guess, be aged at such a rapid rate that doesn't even like match up with their puberty.
So I think a lot of kids are mentally ill from the internet.
And then they say when you start smoking marijuana, it actually stunts your maturity level at the age you start smoking marijuana.
So like we have a society of kids that are all on weed, all looking at porn, and it's just a dark world.
And I just, I'm not trying to be hopeless, but it's really, I, I, I want to ask such a bad world.
I want to ask, is there a medical term to describe a developed psychosis?
I'm saying if if you're surrounded by 100 people and they just keep telling you that Santa Claus at any moment is going to jump out and stab you, and then you start telling medical professionals that you're terrified and shaking and have anxiety because you know Santa's coming for you.
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Is there a word to describe that?
Delusional disorder.
Just even though it was something told to you that was you like, so if a news anchor says, watch out, literally to a million people, Santa Claus is coming to get you.
And then they start believing it, we call that just standard delusional disorder.
I've described this one in great detail that in the end of the 2000s, Facebook switched from reverse chronological to algorithmic, meaning that we used to just see the posts of people we chose to see.
Facebook, realizing that the amount of pages and friends a person had had become too great and the feed moved too quickly, decided that to keep people on the page, they needed to prioritize posts with more engagement and thus created the algorithmic social platform.
So they began just showing nothing but police brutality videos.
In fact, at the time, even Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson largely were covering the police brutality angle as it was an ant if you were government critical or concerned about police overreach, it applied to you.
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And if you were a left-aligned anti-racist or whatever, which was not as prominent, it applied to you.
There were websites that emerged, such as Mike.com, which was a Ron Paul libertarian love revolution site.
And when they posted about police brutality, because it did align with libertarian values, the bigger reaction they got was from those who opposed racism.
And so initially you post police brutality, you'll get X views.
You then post a video of racism, you get Y views.
But if you post a video about racist police brutality, you get X Y.
And the reason why is the way the algorithms all work is in the early days of Reddit, the way their algorithm worked was the first, for those of you familiar with Reddit, you can make a post and people can choose up or down.
The first 10 votes in the first minute are equal to, and I think this was a while ago, 100 votes in the next five or 10 minutes.
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So what ends up happening is The algorithm is an exponential return rate.
If there are 10 people who pay attention to police brutality and 10 people who pay attention to racism, and then you post racist police brutality, 20 people see it.
It is a rapidly exponential boost in the algorithm, resulting in a series of early websites dedicated just to police brutality.
In fact, one website cracked the top 500 websites in the world, literally only posting police brutality.
It was like 430.
And there are people there making six figures to millions of dollars.
And all they would do every day is dig through archives to post and repost police brutality.
Now, for a discerning adult, eventually you say, I get it.
But for a child entering the world for the first time, the political world on social media, the only thing you see in your feed, every video is a cop beating a black man.
Now, in reality, these videos were spread out over a decade.
One of the viral stories was that BLM protesters blocked an ambulance carrying a dying young teenage girl, got millions of views, was fake.
They just literally made it up.
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But they made, you know, 10 grand or whatever writing a story like that.
This was what social media was.
And so for someone who is 12 or 13, going on social media for the first time, for the next five years, the only thing they see, and I mean that hyperbolically, typically, majority of what they see will be, and I mean this sincerely, either police brutality videos against black people or people getting married, which were the highest profile, the highest algorithmic search posts.
So if someone wrote, I'm getting married and having a kid, you would appear at the top of everyone's feed because it had typically would result in high engagement.
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People would exploit this by writing, I am getting married and having a kid.
Psych, no, I'm not.
I did that so that you would see this.
We're having a party tomorrow.
Come hang out.
Now, imagine what happens to a 13-year-old from 13 to 15 being told every single day, every time they open the app and scroll, that cops are just murdering black people.
I do not believe, and I'm not a medical expert, I do not believe it is possible to deprogram a child who has dealt with developmental years wired half their life in this direction.
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And I will add to this, right now we are dealing with the ongoing what we call ElsaGate, which started in 2018 has never stopped.
They claimed they stopped it, but it's not.
Now there's the Jackson Agatha conspiracy that's going on where, what is it, the Great Circus or something?
Wait, ElsaGate's like the child prawn that's on YouTube?
ElsaGate was when people started making half an hour long videos with no words dressed like Elsa, Spider-Man, and Joker, chasing each other around.
Elsa was pregnant.
They would inject her with giant syringes.
And it resulted in algorithmically generated content from people in India to make money of children eating feces out of toilets, of Peppa Pig having sex.
To this day, we thought it ended, but it never did.
To this day, there are videos of Sonic the Hedgehog being forcefully impregnated by machines that are being given to children on the YouTube Kids app.
YouTube has videos explaining how to use sex toys for children.
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This is not an exaggeration.
Well, so does the school system in Vancouver.
Indeed, it does.
But the point that I'm making is not about what is overt to an adult.
The point I'm making is that there is a six-year-old right now whose mother has given in a tablet and he is watching videos of Sonic Ted Jog, and I am not exaggerating, being grabbed by metallic arms, having an arm jammed into his body to impregnate him.
And there are videos of conveyor belts where they attach large butt cheeks to Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, and what's her name?
Rose, Rosa, or whatever.
I don't know the character.
I'm going to know Sonic and Knuckles and Tails because that's the game that I had.
When we talk about Facebook blasting people with police brutality videos, or how about these memes that are lying about Charlie Kirk, for instance?
A 15-year-old 10 years ago saw nothing but lies from the left that generate content.
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The fake news epidemic and misinformation they warned us about has never been dealt with on the left because they were willing to ban the right, but not the left.
And so you're going to sit there in your echo chamber digesting all of this content about, you know, Charlie Kirk's so racist.
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Charlie Kirk is against, you know, transgender folks.
You know, Matt Walsh, you know, you know, all of these folks.
And it will radicalize them against it because opposing points of view, like when you, when you're in a left-leaning, like if you're on YouTube or something like that and your content moderators are all left-leaning, the other side is getting shut down.
It is getting throttled.
And so that's why you get people radicalized like that.
And they're just going to hear, you know, we need to go out and we need to fight against these conservative influences because transgender people are dying.
And it's because of them.
It's because of, I don't know, Catholics.
And you get this school shooting that happened two weeks, the church shooting that happened two weeks ago.
And so, yes, it gets views, but it is radicalizing people in this really dark and twisted way.
I want to give a shout out to Caleb Is Salty on YouTube, if we could pull up this image, who made a great hour-long documentary breaking down this phenomenon.
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It is shocking to me in that seven years ago, I covered this on this channel.
We called it ElsaGate, that this phenomenon had been happening where they were showing Peppa Pig and cartoon animals being forcefully impregnated and injected.
The content was getting so many views that it actually resulted in real-world instances where an adult man, and there was one video that had 7 million views, was injecting his daughter in the butt with a syringe.
The assumption was that it was saline, but the video itself generated so much attention that he would make a video as such.
Caleb Isalty put out this video three months ago, Brewing Cute Pregnant Factory.
And there's Sonic the Hedgehog pregnant.
Here's Rose and Knuckles with big butt cheeks and Sonic with crazy teeth.
And the point I'm bringing up, to go back to the original point I'm making, we are, this, I cite these things because as a reasonable adult on the left or the right, you understand this is twisting and fracturing the brain of a child.
They will suffer developmental disabilities and delusions later in life, as well as other psychiatric disorders based on being inundated every day with this psychotic content.
What the average adult on the left does not understand is they are being inundated with the exact same content in the political space.
So when someone like Brian Tyler Cohen has a channel that is literally nothing but screenshots of Donald Trump and titles saying Trump, evil, Trump, wrong, Trump, fascist, and maybe only one in 10 is actually about someone else, it is an ELSA gate for adults.
They see video after video after video of Charlie Kirk with lies about what he said, quotes out of context.
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And much like a child thinks men can get pregnant or they have some kind of weird brain disorder based on the hot dog Spider-Man videos that are coming out, the injection videos that are coming out, adults start to think fake things.
And I don't believe, and I hope I'm wrong, but I do not believe when a human being has been wired for half their life, starting from childhood, to believe certain things to be true, that you can rewire that in their brain in any way.
And then extreme events like what we saw on Wednesday can shatter the mountain into a new shape.
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Indeed, I disagree in that I'm referring to three-year-olds that are being shown videos of Sonic Hedgehog being grabbed by metallic arms, jammed into his rectum to impregnate his body.
And the parents are making children watch three hours a day of this.
And it's been going on for seven years.
And these kids are going to grow up.
There are many famous stories of children who have been kidnapped and held in captivity for a long time.
There is the famous story of the apocryphal girl raised by wolves.
The most she could learn was eat, tired, very simple grunts.
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And what they said in this story, and many others like this, is that after a certain point, the brain is much more developed and solidified and cannot be wired to understand these things.
As an adult who's become paralyzed and has to relearn how to walk, the brain already has the concept of walking, but is just trying to figure out how to get the signals back to that part of the body.
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A brain that has never developed the neural pathways to walk likely will not.
Maybe that's cognitive dissonance.
It's not.
And this is why you can read all of these different stories about young boys or girls who were raised in a basement locked in a cage when they're now 17 or 18, and they try to explain, to teach English to them, and they can't learn to speak at all.
Well, it's maybe not completely, but the veil has been placed before them.
Yes, you can see this stuff.
And that's what the veil is.
A child should be seeing a handful of things when they are in developmental years, such as the work the father is doing, the work the mother is doing.
They see communication between mother and father about how they're going to live.
Every day, my daughter is staring at my wife as she's explaining to me something about business, and she is absorbing that communication and that language and those logical pathways.
This is also why we show her shapes, why we have ABCs, one, two, threes, so that the brain will develop these pathways.
Never in the existence of humanity has a child been forced to watch hours of Sonic the Hedgehog, and it's ridiculous to say, being forcefully impregnated, or monstrous Sonic screaming at the butt cheeks of Knuckles.
When we see pregnant Sonic collectively as human beings, we can say that is insane.
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But when they put up a video and they claim Charlie Kirk said that black women don't have the brain power to hold jobs, which he never did and is a lie, they don't understand on the left, they are looking at the political equivalent of a pregnant Sonic the Hedgehog.
Now, certainly these people, many of them that are older, grew up in a world where this wasn't the case, and they have within their brains the wiring to be broken out of this.
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Typically, it results in a physical painful experience, as Brendan Strzok described when it was proven to him that Trump was not mocking a disabled man.
He said he felt physical pain, that his body ached when he realized his worldview was wrong.
But this is a man in Brandon who grew up in a sane reality for a child that grows up in this reality of police brutality, fascism, and violence.
Look at the young people that we're seeing in Gen Z that are 20 years old.
Seven years ago, they're 13 years old.
They don't care for politics.
They're beginning to watch this psychotic content.
I'm saying seven years ago was ElsaGate.
They see this brain-frying garbage, but they also see the far left lying about police brutality, about fascism, about Nazis, about the right, about Trump.
That means a 10-year-old who didn't know anything about it was sitting there on the news as they said a neo-Nazi fascist white supremacist is trying to be president.
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And they were, that means for half of their life, let's just, let's go with an eight-year-old, someone who's going to be voting in this next election, for more than half of their life.
They have been told over and over and over again, Sonic is pregnant.
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And I say that figuratively, when they call Trump a Nazi, when they call Charlie Kirk a Nazi, or me or anybody else, how do you cure someone of their entire mental state?
First of all, you remove them from the cult.
And it's turned the TV off basically.
It's called trauma-based mind control, Tim.
So it's done on purpose.
Like they try to demoralize young people and basically fear us into compliance.
So that's basically what's happening to these young kids.
And I think the psychotropic drugs too kind of help them be more compliant.
So I think that I just, to simplify, you are not going to go to me or Alex and say to me, did you know that two plus two equals five?
They tried that.
And liberals all said it did.
And they made up insane reasons to justify their ridiculous fake math.
No one will ever come to me and say, actually, Tim, gravity doesn't exist and it's only because you imagine it.
You're never going to tell someone that a fundamental truth of their life is wrong and have them believe you.
You guys tell me, when people are confronted with evidence that defies their worldview, they have an emotional anger response.
But I am not talking about someone hearing in the news a month ago that Charlie kicked a dog and then you going to them today and saying, no, he didn't.
I'll prove it.
And then being like, well, I don't believe you.
And then showing them and they go, well, I guess I was wrong.
I'm talking about someone who has a baby was told that the earth is flat, that there is a giant hole at the center in the North Pole.
There are fundamental truths that we believe.
You can throw a rock at a window, it's going to break.
The issue that I think is very great to us now is these kids were raised in a society where they were told one person does one thing, and that is easy to leave and experience something totally different.
My concern is the wiring of the brain of an individual at a very, very young age when the neuroplasticity of a baby is being wired in a direction that they will grow up and they will not be able to rewire.
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Such as the point I'm making where children who are raised in dog cages who are rescued later on can't learn to speak.
I mean, I remember sort of coming out of the left and there were a lot of things that were like very difficult for me to grapple with.
And I was like, no, that can't be.
Like that doesn't work.
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And some things I remember very distinctly being like, we're going to put aside that core belief for now and we're going to come back to it later because I can't deal with overturning that right away.
And I was raised by smart people.
You know, my parents are attorneys and they're, they both would talk to me a lot and everything.
You know, I'm very widely read.
And even so, after decades of essentially like, you know, I wouldn't say necessarily liberal indoctrination because that doesn't feel very good to say that.
but like, you know, going to different educational institutions, being given the ambient, being on birth control for 16 years, you know, like friends on SSRIs, you look at it and you're like, that can't be really, really, our entire educational system is wrong.
Like that was the big one for me was like looking at education, which my family had always put so much stock in.
And it's hard.
It is, like, I remember Brandon saying like that physical feeling, and it's really hard.
I do think a good example of this is I request, Ian, that you try and convince Jack Posobic that Jesus is not Lord and was not resurrected.
These people who, there are people who were raised Catholic, raised Christian or Orthodox, and then leave the church.
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And you'll tend to find the reason they do is that they moved to the city, surrounded themselves by other people, and then adopted the views of those that surround them as a survival mechanism.
Yeah.
Now, they won't say that.
They'll just be like, no, I really don't believe it anymore, but this is the psychology.
At the heart, we're talking about how, because whether it's this unspeakable, unspeakably horrible example here, or just more broadly, the fact that as human beings who have evolved until a split second ago in our history to live in very much a world that is not this, like we're out of alignment with our true nature as human beings.
And you could kind of make the case that whether it was industrialization or even going all the way back to agriculture, that technology and the evolution of technology has progressively interfered with how we have evolved as animals, basically.
And that whether it's this or whether it's the fact that so many of us are eating food made in a factory or whether it's psych drugs or whether it's fluorescent lights or at the end of the day, we have profoundly interfered with our design.
And like you're saying, Tim, in ways that are irreparable.
And so I think you're probably right that when you grow up in your earliest years of life in an environment that is not enabling you to become who you fully are, you may not be able to come back from that.
I think about this for me all the time.
Growing up on psych drugs and the pill, I am sure that my body has been irrevocably, irrevocably altered in ways that I won't get back.
But that is being a human being in this industrial age that we are in.
And so I think then it becomes about, so what do we do with that?
And I think that's where it's simple things, like whether it's storytelling or whether it's like getting back into reality.
Like you were saying, like turn off the fucking screen, excuse my language, meet your neighbors, like grow food and eat it.
You know, it sounds so cliche, but the fact that it's cliche is crazy.
Like the only solution here is to come back into our nature as much as we can, given that we live in this age that is profoundly disruptive.
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That was, I mentioned Charlie five minutes ago or something about Shabbat.
I didn't know he practiced.
He was a Christian, but he observed Shabbat Saturday as the Jewish tradition where he would just turn off the TV and be with his family.
And I think when you're in this world without the TVs, you realize it's better than that world.
I want to be here.
Yes.
Well, I think like probably one of the biggest problems with society is like when the Rothschilds, even though they controlled all the books, also when they made all of our medicine petroleum-based and we stopped doing homeopathic stuff.
And that was really the main downfall of society as well, the over-medication.
And then the fact that obviously we can advertise these pharmaceuticals.
Like we just have a system that is, it makes it easy for people to get rich off selling garbage that doesn't really help us.
Well, and look at the situation we have now, right?
Where we have RFK Jr. who has been very adamant that we don't need all these drugs, right?
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And he has been very adamant about getting the artificial dyes and products out of our food, which I think is so essential and important.
I mean, you know, you go to the grocery store, you're shopping for your kid, you look at the ingredients and you're like, no, I'm not buying that.
I'm just going to buy a bunch of fruit, you know, and some fish.
Like that's maybe not even the fish.
Just let's see where we do.
But you see how angry Democrats in Congress have been getting when he says, hey, so for this COVID vaccine, we're going to pull the emergency.
We're going to pull the emergency use authorization.
And we're going to say that healthy people, you know, in normal age groups from children to adults who are not elderly, don't need it.
If your doctor thinks you should have it and you want to talk to your doctor about it, you can get a prescription and go get it, just like anything else.
But little kids don't need it.
Healthy kids don't need it.
And if you do need it over the counter and you are in these certain groups, you know, asthmatic or elderly, you can get it at the pharmacy.
And I don't remember ever in my life until COVID getting any kind of drug at the pharmacy that wasn't like some Advil, you know?
You don't go to the pharmacist and say, hey, give me this controlled substance from Johnson ⁇ Johnson or Pfizer or whatever.
Like when my son was getting his inoculation, I guess they're not vaccines.
When he was getting that, get the MMR, whatever vaccines.
You go to the doctor and the doctor says, this is what we're looking at.
You know, these are the vaccines you're going to get today.
You get them at the doctor's office.
What is, how, how did we normalize this idea?
And Liz Warren, Nancy Pelosi, Kathy Hochl, everyone gets so mad that suddenly you can't get pharmaceuticals over the counter without consulting a doctor.
I'm talking about how I decided for myself that I'm not going to take all these psychiatric drugs anymore.
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I'm not going to identify as mentally ill.
I'm going to take my life back.
People hear me share just my story and they say, you're anti-medication, you're a pill shamer, you're this, you're that.
Pill shamer.
Is that like a pill shamer?
Oh, that's a whole thing.
And when I, so I think about this phenomenon a lot, I'm like, what's at the heart of this?
Why, why is this how people are hearing?
my story.
And I think a lot of it is that, Alex, to your point, like the rise of the medical industry, the allopathic medical industry has so effectively, and in partnership with, you know, all of its, of its family, managed care, hospital industry, you know, corporate media.
It's a massive conglomerate here, has so effectively conflated care and help and love with treatment, with pharmaceutical products, with clinical interventions, that you can't, if you question a pharmaceutical product like an SSRI, taking it for 20 years, really is it necessary?
Because we do need insulin.
We need some medicine, right?
Yeah, and you're questioning the fact that people suffer and struggle and need help.
They say if you bring up problems with the COVID vaccine, if you bring up problems with psychiatric drugs, you're irresponsible and you're scaring people away from life-saving medications.
I'm dangerous.
Washington Post called me dangerous.
And they think and they position it as if they're doing it out of a place of compassion because they know it resonates with their base and they know that this is going to whip people up and get them excited.
But honestly, it's actually the least compassionate thing that you could be doing because we need to have honest conversations about the limits of whether it's the vaccines or the medications.
But the pharmaceutical industry, they love it.
They love that anytime someone criticizes their product, they're cast as being, you know, stigmatizing against the people who have the mental illness or, you know, all the people who can't, who have weakened immune systems and things like that.
In the 80s, the ethos was you take the drug to no longer need it.
It would be like you'd have maybe Zoloft in the 90s or something so that you'd figure it out and then you could get rid of it.
We got really good at this targeted magic bullet style approach, which really does work.
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But then we shifted into chronic disease.
And that's where we've totally fallen apart.
You know, whether it's with the obesity problem going on, with the diabetes issues, and also depression and anxiety, which really are the same, we are not fixing the root causes of these issues at all.
In fact, we're just, we're giving people drugs to kind of mask the symptoms.
And we can basically fix a lot of the symptoms of depression with diet and exercise.
Like, I mean, I know Ian, Tim was kind of trolling you, but you were right about your gut.
That's your second brain.
So if like you're constantly putting crap in your gut, like your second brain is not going to function as good as your first one.
So I think diet and exercise, obviously if your friend dies, you're going to be sad.
You know, diet and exercise doesn't fix that type of depression.
But general anxiety, like every time you exercise, you always feel better because the hormonal response is just positive.
Well, no, I agree.
I agree with Ian on his point about the poison of the food, the endocrine disruption, the hormonal dysregulation.
I was just saying that there's two things we're dealing with.
But so the kids today, if we can just provide a world where they don't have to go through that, like we just show them like, this is what's really going on.
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They don't need to go through that again.
And also just not knowing the details of your story, but that despair you felt as you were waking up from stories that you realized were bullshit, that you didn't then take that despair to a psychiatrist to treat it, that you actually felt it.
You moved through that dark night of the soul where you realize everything I thought I knew has fallen apart.
I think that's the key thing too.
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And like Alex, you were saying, you lose someone, you're meant to feel grief.
You're meant to feel pain.
And I think this consumerist culture that we live in, where every problem, every bit of discomfort, every inch of pain, whether it's physical or mental, is a problem to solve, something to treat with a product, a service.
I think that's really also what we're talking about here, that we've forgotten what it means to be human.
To be human is to have dark, twisted thoughts, to struggle, to suffer, to be lonely.
And we have really lost touch with this.
And I know, speaking for myself, having spent all of these years, my teens and my 20s, so afraid of my pain, so afraid of my shadow side, because I have, like I often say, I would meet the criteria for psych diagnoses, definitely anxiety disorder today.
But like, I don't give, I don't give a shit.
It doesn't mean anything to me today.
It's just like, so what?
They invented a bunch of subjective labels and put them in the book.
It's just sort of self-diagnosed to a certain extent or diagnosed by a therapist.
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Completely subjective.
No biological tests.
And once you start taking these drugs, after a while, they no longer provide the relief that perhaps they were in the first place.
And you have to take different ones.
And then you have to up your medication dosage.
We have breaking news.
This is in the past 20 minutes.
Stephen Crowder, shout out to the Loudworth Crowder crew and the Mug Club.
They have obtained the Utah County Sheriff's Office internal documents regarding suspected Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson.
The information has been made public by the Crowder team.
And I'm not so much focused on his personal details, but we have the charges.
Felony discharge of firearm causing serious bodily injury, obstruction of justice, capital first-degree felony conduct, and aggravated murder, which are not bailable.
And I believe in the second document just repeats those charges with more information about the individual and the probable cause statement, which is long, but I do want to read.
It says, the following information was obtained by your client from police officers.
Multiple video recordings posted on social media websites, Utah Valley University campus surveillance cameras and those who witnessed the incident.
On September 10th, 2025, Charles James Kirk was at the Utah Valley University campus in Orum, Utah for a political event.
Mr. Kirk is a conservative political activist who is scheduled to speak at an event in the courtyard area of the UVU campus.
The courtyard area is to the west of the LawSeek Center building.
According to video recordings, Charles was wearing a white t-shirt and dark pants sitting under a white canopy in a courtyard of the campus facing to the east.
The event was attended by hundreds of individuals.
Charles was surrounded by people with multiple individuals to his left, right, and rear and front of the canopy.
Behind the canopy was a walkway used for access to various parts of the university.
Blood was seen coming from the left side of his neck as he fell over to his left.
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Charles was transported to the Timpanogos Regional Hospital in Orem.
Charles was pronounced deceased at the hospital.
Investigators reviewed the Utah Valley University surveillance cameras while reviewing the surveillance cameras.
Investigators observed an individual on the rooftop of the Lossie Center building on the UVU campus at the time of the shooting.
Hereafter, the unidentified individual will be referred to as suspect.
Based on surveillance camera footage, suspect appears to be a white male with dark-colored hair wearing a dark-colored hat, sunglasses, a long-sleeved black shirt with a picture of an American flag and an eagle printed on the shirt, dark-colored jeans, and white and gray shoes with white-colored shoelaces.
The shoes appear to be consistent with Chuck Taylor Converse-style shoes.
The suspect is also carrying a dark-colored backpack on his back.
Suspect walks with a distinctive gait.
Prior to the shooting, suspect appears to walk with a stiff right leg and at a relatively slow pace.
Suspect's ability to bend his right leg appears to be restricted.
Investigators were able to track suspect's movements on the UVU campus starting at approximately 1150 hours on 9-10-2025.
At approximately 11.50 hours, a UVU surveillance camera first captured suspect walking across a grassy area north of Campus Drive at approximately 800 West.
Suspect walked south through the parking lot and approached a pedestrian tunnel that runs underneath Campus Drive.
Before entering the tunnel, suspect paused at the top of the stairs and pulled out what appeared to be a cell phone from his right pocket using his right hand at approximately 1153 hours.
Suspect eventually puts what appears to be a cell phone back in his right pants pocket using his right hand.
Surveillance captured suspect making his way towards the Low Center.
At approximately 1202 hours, suspect was recorded walking on the north side of the Low C. Center building, walking with the same gait as observed earlier.
Suspect entered the Low Center building through a set of doors on the southeast corner of the Low Center building at approximately 12-15 hours.
Suspect was observed walking up the stairs that lead to the common area adjacent to the Low Center building.
Suspect walked to a short concrete wall that separates the common area from the rooftop of the Low City Center building at approximately 12-17 hours.
Suspect climbed over the short wall and appeared to crouch down on the north side of the wall on the rooftop.
At approximately 12-22 hours, suspect stood up and started running across the rooftop of the Low Center building.
The notable limp from his previous surveillance was absent.
The suspect ran to the west side of the rooftop and appeared to scoot along the rooftop area as he got closer to the edge of the rooftop at approximately 12-22 hours.
Suspect laid down in a position consistent with a prone shooting position near the edge of the rooftop and appeared to be facing west in the direction of the courtyard area.
The rooftop of the Low City Center building overlooks the courtyard area where the event featuring Charlie Kirk was taking place.
The Lowcey Center building is east of the courtyard area.
At approximately 12-23 hours, Charlie Kirk was shot.
At approximately 12-23 hours, surveillance shows the suspect stood up and suddenly from the edge of the rooftop and sprinted north on the rooftop of the Losie Center building.
Suspect ran to the northeast corner of the Losie Center building and approached the edge of the rooftop.
Suspect placed a dark-colored item on the rooftop and proceeded to lower himself off the rooftop.
Suspect dropped off the rooftop onto the grass below.
Suspect ran north near the parking lot to the east of the Losie Center.
At approximately 12-24 hours, suspect ran north across the campus drive road.
Suspect appeared to be carrying an item whose identity is not clear from the surveillance.
The area to the north of the campus drive road where the suspect crossed over consists with a grassy area with trees on the edges of the UVU campus.
Investigators discovered a bolt-action rifle wrapped in a dark-colored towel.
The rifle was determined to be a Mauser Model 98306 caliber bolt action rifle.
Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle.
Inscriptions on a fired casing read, notices bulge, OWO, what's this?
Inscription on the three unfired casings read, hey, fascist catch, up arrow symbol, a right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols.
A second unfired casing read, O Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow, Chow.
A third unfired casing read, if you read this, you are gay, LMAO.
Investigators also discovered a shoe impression on the northeast corner rooftop edges of the Losie Center building.
This shoe impression was located in the vicinity where the suspect climbed down from the rooftop.
The shoe impression is consistent with the shoe sole characteristics of a converse Chuck Taylor shoe.
On the evening of September 11th, 2025, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident.
This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff's Office and seen investigators at UVU.
Investigators reviewed additional video footage from the UVU surveillance and identified Robinson arriving on UVU campus in a gray Dodge Challenger at approximately 8.29 on September 10th, in which he is observed on video in plain maroon t-shirt, light-colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo, and light-colored shoes.
When encountered in person by investigators in Washington County on September 12th, early morning hours, Robinson was observed in consistent clothing with the surveillance images.
Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.
The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner prior to September 10th, 2025.
And in conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU.
They talked about why they didn't like him and the viewpoints he had.
The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.
The family member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger.
Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson.
Investigators interviewed the roommate who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson, made a joke on Discord.
Investigators asked if he would show them the messages on Discord.
He opened it and showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take photos of the screen as each message was shown by Robinson's roommate.
These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages between the phone contact name Tyler with an emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device.
The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to visually watching the area where the rifle was left, and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.
The messages also refer to engraving bullets and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique.
Messages from the Tyler, from the context, Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits.
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Based on the evidence detailed in this statement, I believe there is probable cause that Tyler Robinson committed the crimes of aggravated murder by shooting Charlie Kirk in a circumstance that put many around him at grave risk of death, felony discharge of a firearm, and obstruction of justice for moving and hiding the rifle believed to be used in the shooting.
By submitting this affidavit, I declared a criminal penalty of the state of Utah that the foregoing is true incorrect.
Signed, Davis Brian.
Once again, shout out to Steven Crowder and his team for breaking this news and sharing this.
There are some people who are concerned about this stuff getting released, but I think it is clear based on the evidence that they have and what we've seen so far that this is an open-ended shot case.
So what do you guys think psychologically as an analyst of sorts about public execution?
There are many people on social media right now suggesting that we need a death sentence and for it to be carried out publicly for a variety of reasons.
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Some say provides relief and comfort to the millions.
It can help act as a pressure relief valve, but more importantly, to symbolize deterrence.
Psychologically, do you guys think that's true?
Yes, I do think it's true.
I think it would massively act as a huge deterrent.
Because, I mean, what kind of message does it send if you go lenient on someone who murders, assassinates a key political figure?
Don't most mass shooters shoot themselves?
Yeah.
No, that's what I'm saying.
So I don't know if that would deter somebody, the death penalty, if they're already going to kill themselves.
You know what concerns me is the internet video?
Because in the past, they would do it.
Everyone would go to the public square and they'd watch it and then they'd leave and they'd be like, I'm never messing with that.
But now with the ever-present repetition of it on TV, I think it would make the guy a hero and just also desensitize.
Like the Luigi situation, he's now kind of valorized in a way.
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They made him a hero.
They made Saint Luigi candles.
And I assure you, with the information being released on this man, I wouldn't be surprised if literally already they're selling merch, hailing him as a hero.
He'll be on the cover of their zines or whatever they have to do.
I bet if you go on Blue Sky, they're all lionizing him.
Because I was for public execution, just like scare them into stopping.
But now with internet video, I'm super concerned about the ramifications for a thousand years.
If that was a video that burned into every child's memory.
The problem with this, though, is he's going to probably plead guilty, and so he'll be probably spared from the death penalty.
Well, if you look at Ryan Routh, he's already attempting to make the trial of his assassination attempt on Trump as a political statement.
He's trying to bring into this court case things Trump has said or done to use them as justification of something related to his case.
So I'd imagine this person will do the exact same thing.
I often say you have to give people a path to redemption, otherwise they'll take the other path.
Right now, clearly, there is no path to redemption for what this man has done.
I was just going to say, we're in an uncharted terror.
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Get back to you know this, this deeper point that we're, we're living, that the world that we live in is we are not designed to thrive in, in in a digitized reality like evolutionarily, we have not adapted yet.
It's happened so fast.
You know, Brett Weinstein and Heather Hiring talk about this concept of hyper novelty that we, we industrialization, has so rapidly spread progress, so to speak, and we haven't evolved to meet it.
And so this question of what do we do, you know, public execution or not?
And I feel like I can't speak to it because I just have to, it's such a big question.
What I'm doing is I'm always kind of bridging the line between manifesting a positive future because it does have implications on what people hear and believe and think is going to happen.
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And also just saying what's really happening, which can be very dark.
That was that was that was no, but that's why Hollywood is called that because it was meant to basically cast spells to, you know, make, and that's why every major movie always had some sort of subliminal programming in it.
And now I think, obviously, they still do that, but I don't know if the movies have the same effects as they did back when there was less digital media to compete.
Wood from the Holly Tree is historic, is European folklore was used for magic spells, wands, and warding off evil spirits.
Hollywood.
That's why it's called, dude, when the people decided to call it Hollywood, that was literally why, because it's not a joke.
Walt Disney, all this stuff, they wanted to name it after a spiritual thing, and they chose Hollywood because that's what witches use.
They have to use the wood of a Holly tree or the wand doesn't work.
I just thought a couple days ago that Top Gun ended the Cold War.
Like, obviously, Reagan and Gorbachev did it three years later, but I think heavily the Russians were inspired by that movie and they were like, maybe we could be the bad guys.
And like, Tom Cruise is such a hero in so many ways.
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And not just that, there's no Holly in Los Angeles.
Dude, that's why they called it that.
that's not a conspiracy it's like an open i mean that's not i'm not like obviously it sounds conspiratorial but that's like it's just that's why they named it the the the The principal theory is that they thought shrubs were holly, but that makes no sense.
Yeah, they were occultists, probably.
I don't know if they're occultists or interested in these.
These are the most creative people in the world.
And part of the reason why they went to California is because they can film all year round because of their climate.
Taxes.
There's plenty of sunlight.
Well, but they can film outdoors.
It doesn't get too hot and there's not a lot of rain.
So it's just convenient because a lot of the filming.
But Hollywood, I'm telling you, there's so much weird hidden programming and symbolism in Hollywood.
They say there's no evidence that's why they named it that, but there also is no story as to why they named it Hollywood.
So the spell casting amplification power is now decentralized.
And all these humans that some of them have no idea what they're doing have the power of amplification of words, of spells.
And I think that's the term manifestation was super popular in 07, you know, with the what the bleep do we know?
And they're like, you're creating reality with your words.
It's not quite that simple.
You're affecting reality with your words.
You're changing the shape of things with the sound, you know, literally cymatic, all sorts of cymatic inversions or whatever you want to call.
And it's like, how do we do it?
How do we do it ethically?
I think this show is a good example.
Shows like just talking about it.
You know, it's like meta.
You know, we're talking about talking about things.
Wow.
People are now digging through the social media of the family of the shooter.
And it's actually pretty scary that some of the stuff that's being posted shows what we are concerned about, disaffected young men, listless with no purpose.
Rudyard Lynch had warned about this: that a society with many young men, young adults who don't have families, see conflict.
People with children tend not to want to fight because they have children.
People without children have nothing.
And the posts are starting to paint a picture of a young man who apparently had nothing.
Neat, but I don't know that it was actually a neat, but there is this phenomenon of young men living at home with limited prospects, no purpose, who get radicalized.
I mean, this was his ticket to glory, it sounds like, you know, thinking, I've got nothing else going on.
Maybe if I do this one great thing, I'll be remembered.
And this is what I have been warning about as of recent, which I will try to keep light because I don't want to discuss too publicly.
But I have made several predictions on my morning show on IRL, less so on the culture.
We're supposed to be having just straight up conversations about various topics, but it's a news day.
But what I've been warning of right now is, and I'm just, I'm saying this because I've predicted a lot of things over the past several years and have been in the correct area.
And I don't mean to sound arrogant or anything, but I think it's important that I at least preface this by saying one of the most notable predictions I had was the essence of January 6th.
And for that prediction, I was accused of having foreknowledge.
In September of 2020, I stated on, I think, my morning show in IRL: if Trump loses in November, his supporters are going to go to D.C. and they will storm the White House.
They're not going to let this stand.
That is the anger that we are seeing.
Of course, I was not completely correct, but I was in the appropriate region.
It was in January and we saw people storm the Capitol.
I don't think it was the worst, the apocalypse as the left tries to describe it or a 14th Amendment qualifying insurrection, but it was bad.
When I had first said it, people said I was nuts and Tim's crazy for bringing it up and these things will never happen.
And then after it happened, the left began to share messages saying Tim Poole had foreknowledge and should be arrested and subpoenaed and brought before Congress simply because as reading the news and looking at what was going on, I said, I think this will happen.
We now have, as we predicted last year, the National Guard being sent in to assist with immigration enforcement, challenges from the Democrat state with the federal government over who controls the National Guard, as we predicted on the show during the election.
And of course, the escalation now.
The left would not let that stand.
Protests escalating to assassinations.
And another prediction that was made, Rudyard Lynch had pointed this out for which we had made similar statements and agreed.
Young men with nothing going for them, with nothing to lose, will engage in these extreme acts, which is what it appears we are seeing now with the death of Charlie Kirk.
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And my fear now, as I have privately made more serious predictions, but I will keep for a variety of reasons I don't want to say too much on, my fear is there are an equal amount of young men.
I don't mean literally equal, but there is a large amount of young men, both left and right, who are in this category, who feel they have nothing left to lose.
And my fear right now is that there is a young man who has spent the past few years watching Charlie Kirk videos, who is inspired by Charlie, for good reason to be, who has turned his life around for the better.
He's perhaps begun working out.
He's perhaps taken up a new job.
There was a viral post where a mother was saying, this is my son.
He watches Charlie's content and he is a hard worker.
He's learning a trade.
He works 12 hours a day.
He says he wants to be like Charlie.
And for some of these young men who felt like Charlie was a voice that could lift them out, they feel like this was taken from them and that was their guiding force.
For a young man like the guy who killed Charlie, but on the other side of the spectrum politically, who now feels that they were wronged to an extreme degree, my fear is a person like this will not be able to tolerate watching an endless stream of videos on social media mocking the death of Charlie, selling merch, mocking the death of Charlie, saying, debate this, celebrating it, cheering for it.
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And a person with nothing going for them will escalate.
Like, the difference is the kids that worship or that followed Charlie and that believed in Charlie, they had a mentor that will be with them for the rest of their life.
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Whereas the kids that are on psychiatrics and have a broken home that do these crazy, violent acts, they don't.
And it makes me think about how many of those lost young men manage to find their ways into psychiatrists' offices or therapists' offices where they're then told, oh, you're sick.
This isn't, you know, this isn't your fault.
Chemical imbalance, here are pills.
And I think what I'm sitting with hearing you talk is just how, like, if you know, if you're listening to this and you know someone in your life who is lost, especially if it's a young man, to connect, like reach out, connect.
And it doesn't, you don't need to send them to a professional necessarily.
Like sometimes what we're hungering for, especially as a formerly lost girl, is connection with another human being who has been through their own struggle too.
I didn't need to be kind of disappeared off into a long series of professionals' offices.
Like I needed to talk to my fellow humans about how confused I was about the point to being alive.
And I think like it is a call, an invitation to all of us to pay attention to the people in our lives who are lost and connect with them.
So we are just about out of time for this show, but we will be tracking the news.
Just stand your ground and hold your values and stand on the word.
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Yeah, I'm right there with you.
I think Charlie's death will stay with me for the rest of my life.
And the only thing it's done is it made me more willing to stand up and have difficult conversations and get out there in people's faces and talk about this.
And I will never stop.
Where can people find you, guys?
Yeah, so the Dr. Joseph YouTube channel, that's J-O-S-E-F.
If you just search Dr. Joseph, we're on all social media sites.
And if you are someone who's having a hard time with psychiatric medications and you want expert help coming off, our website is the Taper Clinic.
And we're in the 14 most populous states in the U.S.
And if you're not in the U.S. and you're tuning in abroad or in a different one of those states, you can go to the Contact Us section on my website.
And I have directories for providers all over the world who do psychiatric deprescribing.
And they will be able to help you get off if you want to find another way.
And it's an honor to be here.
And you can find me at lauradellano.com.
You can find the organization I founded to help people who, like Yosef, are maybe thinking about coming off psychiatric medications.
