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| It seems like we could potentially get to a point where these prescriptions will be able to be filed online. | ||
| I mean, it certainly seems like there's trending in that direction. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You can, right now, there are companies exist where you see, like, remember when. | ||
| Remember when you could get like a medical card for marijuana online by seeing it? | ||
| Yeah, now that the services for these SSRI prescriptions, you go and have a 10 minute phone appointment with somebody and say you have anxiety and get this prescription. | ||
| And a shocking percentage of women are now on these drugs in particular. | ||
| Hello, everyone. | ||
| This is Tate Brown here holding it down for Tim Poole. | ||
| We have had a great interview here with Naomi Best, who has done excellent work over the years exposing the leftist takeover of our psychiatric institutions here in the United States. | ||
| In this interview, we get into the Minneapolis church shooter. | ||
| We get into SSRIs. | ||
| We get into the trans ideology, broadly speaking. | ||
| It's fantastic stuff. | ||
| Please enjoy. | ||
| RFK Jr. quote, we are launching studies on the potential contribution of some of the SSRI drugs, some of the other psychotic drugs that might be contributing to violence. | ||
| So with that, we're going to get into our interview with Naomi Best. | ||
| Hey, Naomi, how are you doing? | ||
| I'm doing well. | ||
| How are you doing? | ||
| I'm doing well. | ||
| I just want to say before we get started, I mean, a lot of people probably know who you are, but maybe you could give a quick introduction for the viewers that don't. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| So I am a former marriage and family therapy student at Santa Clara University, and I wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal about the ideological coercion that I experienced in that program. | ||
| The whole field of therapy and psychology generally now has been captured by critical theory. | ||
| So, you know, you could describe that as critical social justice. | ||
| I'm sure your audience is very familiar with it. | ||
| But essentially every class, every topic we discussed was in that frame. | ||
| So yeah, when I, it really came to a head with the sexual issues. | ||
| So I was in a course called Human Sexuality and I was just very disturbed by the sexual ethic and also the notions about transgender care for youth in that class. | ||
| So when I published my Wall Street Journal article, I actually got fired from my therapy internship. | ||
| And, you know, the site actually said, you're really smart. | ||
| I think you'd be a great therapist, really compassionate. | ||
| But the junior therapists at that organization made there was such an uprising against me that it was not tenable for me to work at the organization. | ||
| And I think that just goes to show how closed minded, how noteworthy. | ||
| Right, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, I think the one thing that seems to be preeminent above anything else as far as like the rhetoric coming specifically from the left after the shooting is there's no introspection whatsoever on how we could be handling these types of people with these types of afflictions there's just a doubling down every single time and i i'm just assuming you probably saw a lot of this when you were when you were doing your work yeah i mean when i'm thinking about the shooting and you know i'm still processing all of this it's | ||
| just so disturbing yeah um But in my program, there was a persistent anti-Christian sentiment, especially in the sexuality class, you know, we were asked to discuss how the Christian, | ||
| you know, they called it the Judeo-Christian ethic, the biblical reality, I would call it, that were made male and female has oppressed us in some way and how we would act as agents of change to dismantle that binary. | ||
| One method they advocated for, can I swear? | ||
| I assume I can swear. | ||
| Yeah, I'm Ron Ramboya. | ||
| Was they advocated for something called gender fucking, which essentially is. | ||
| is disrupting the binary on purpose. | ||
| So a man wearing a dress with a beard or, you know, it wasn't in the traditional understanding of gender dysphoria, somebody who truly believes they're the opposite sex and wants to live as the opposite sex, blend in, operate as a normal person. | ||
| It was more of a social activist stance. | ||
| And unfortunately, that is how I was taught to become a therapist as well. | ||
| You know, I actually got some pushback in that class for raising questions about transgender care for. | ||
| youth. | ||
| I was asked to stop talking so much because, you know, I said that I wasn't comfortable providing these recommendations for children to go be put on puberty blockers or hormones. | ||
| But the message was Don't be a gatekeeper because if you are a gatekeeper, you are acting from a place of privilege and you are further oppressing this disenfranchised, marginalized group. | ||
| And there is a lot of emotional manipulation that happens because when you enter a therapy program, people enter therapy programs to help, to be compassionate. | ||
| And there is now a generation of therapists who are being taught that the only way you are compassionate for these children is to affirm. | ||
| And that comes down from every professional organization in the field right now. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, we covered it earlier in the show is we saw that Robert Westman changing his name to Robin, and we saw the paperwork filed, and he was a minor at the time, so that means that his mother signed off of it, and presumably within this transition transgender process, there would obviously be medical professionals involved. | ||
| And I've seen some discussion, some dialogue online that Minnesota specifically is a haven for sort of these activist therapists, I guess, that you're referring to. | ||
| I mean, do you have any insight specifically on Minnesota or maybe how blue states are handling these issues? | ||
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| Yeah, I mean, I can speak blue states more broadly. | ||
| I know that Governor Tim Walls signed a sort of safe haven executive order for his state in 2023. | ||
| But it's broader than that. | ||
| It is from, so it's from the American Psychological Association, which governs psychologists. | ||
| I was in school to become a marriage and family therapist. | ||
| So I am the organization that my recommendations come from is called the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy, and if you look at their guidelines, there is no | ||
| you know, youth, adolescent, whatever it may be, is transitioning to become the other gender, but saying, hey, you know, let's figure out how you can live comfortably within your biological sex is considered conversion. | ||
| And, you know, it was just so disturbing. | ||
| I'll give you one anecdote. | ||
| So in this lecture about transgender medicine in my course, it was a transgender woman who was giving the presentation. | ||
| And she was saying that therapists act as sort of guides. | ||
| They act not as medical professionals, but the lecture was framed as the transgender person is sort of going on this hero's journey. | ||
| And the therapist would be a guide, but also these online communities are actively encouraged by the mental health professionals to sort of find a safe haven for these kids who may feel isolated, especially in cases where the parents aren't affirming. | ||
| So they're being pushed into these echo chambers of activists. | ||
| And I am just so concerned about the way that parents are both guilted, you know, we've all heard the anecdote, if you do you want a trans daughter or a dead son, but they're also just being excluded from the conversation. | ||
| And, you know, not. | ||
| preemptively telling a client's parent that their child is claiming a transgender identity is just par for the course. | ||
| So I'm really concerned that people who advocate for more mental health services in the face of the gun control debate don't quite understand that the mental health industry is acting or is part of the pipeline of the medicalization of transgender youth. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I mean, yeah, we're seeing as more information comes out along all the ways that we could have prevented this Robert Westman person from doing such a thing. | ||
| It seems like there was multiple stop gaps that failed. | ||
| Maybe you can elaborate more. | ||
| Is there a way to mental health or way out of this transgender issue? | ||
| I mean, it seems like people's only answer is more therapy, maybe try a different angle. | ||
| You know, there are therapists who specialize. | ||
| They call themselves ROGD therapists, rapid onset gender dysphoria. | ||
| And anecdotally, they've had a lot of success, but they're sort of operating outside the bounds of the professional organizations, the professional guidance. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the incidence of comorbid mental health diagnoses for adolescents claiming a transgender ideology is just extremely high. | ||
| It's four times that of the rate of somebody who doesn't identify as a transgender person. | ||
| So I'm not, as it stands right now, we are between a rock and a hard place because these people who have mood disorders, a lot of the times it's bipolar disorder. | ||
| anxiety disorders, autism spectrum, you know, neurodevelopmental disorders, they need real treatment, especially I'm concerned in the case of bipolar because Because one of the hallmarks of a manic episode is this rash decision making and also feelings of spiritual awakening, like finding one's true self. | ||
| I've spoken also to detransitioners who have autism spectrum disorder and they said that their lack of social skills made them feel as though, you know, I'm not fitting in with the boys my age. | ||
| I'm not acting like them. | ||
| Perhaps I can learn how to be a girl and apply those social skills in that area. | ||
| So, you know, as it stands, I don't know. | ||
| I think that parents really need to interview any prospective therapist that they're going to bring their child to. | ||
| Gone are the days of neutral mental health professionals that you can trust with your child in a private space for an hour every week. | ||
| A therapist needs to involve the parent at every step of the treatment and having real open lines of communication between child parent and therapist is going to be crucial. | ||
| And if there's any pushback from the therapist about, you know, the importance of the confidential relationship between child and therapist, I would say, you know, that's not a deal breaker, but it is a red flag. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sort of at a loss with the field. | ||
| And it actually ended my career as a marriage and family therapist. | ||
| I was pushed out because I refused to go along with this ideology. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I mean, let's put it this way. | ||
| If Robert Westman was in your office. | ||
| I mean, what would the Christian approach be to someone with these afflictions yeah gosh i won't pretend to know how to treat somebody with these violent um urges i think with with the transgender ideation um a deep understanding about the the dissociation between oneself and one's body i think that affirmative piece is really important | ||
| because if somebody is saying that they're the opposite sex they're in a tremendous amount of pain and disconnection from their own body and i am a bit disturbed and disheartened hearing the discourse on the anti-transition side, the gender critical side, because every person is made in the image of God and deserves dignity. | ||
| And I went into therapy because I believe that they deserve somebody to walk with them through their pain. | ||
| But lying to somebody about the possibility of them actually becoming the opposite sex, in my view, is not compassionate whatsoever and can lead them down a path of more confusion, more dissociation from their body. | ||
| You know, I think it's unique for children too, because adults who transition, I think they have a better understanding that you can't achieve becoming the opposite sex. | ||
| You can live life approaching something similar to the opposite sex. | ||
| I don't think many of these children who are being put on puberty blockers can conceptualize that it is an impossibility. | ||
| And, you know, so double. | ||
| And so WPATH, I'll mention this just for some statistics. | ||
| WPATH is the thought leaders in this area and the psychological associations reference WPATH, WPATH references the psychological associations. | ||
| it's an issue but they don't even recommend any age restriction on puberty blockers they say you can start at tanner stage two which is when breast buds are first forming so this is around age eight and they you know they They also recommend, okay, the child has been socially transitioned for a period before they go on puberty blockers. | ||
| So now what are we talking about? | ||
| We're talking about age seven, age six. | ||
| At Santa Clara University, where I went, the school is placing. | ||
| students, therapy students at an organization, a county center where they are doing trans affirmative therapy for children as young as five years old. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, five years old. | ||
| And, you know, at this point, it is becoming a top-down ideology that is being imposed on children. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So is the answer more therapy? | ||
| I don't think so, not as it stands now. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Well, I mean, and what you're kind of hitting on, and you did touch on it earlier with the sort of rhetorical approach from the anti-trans crowd, I do get this sense of exasperation because... | ||
| We all know that, you know, the narratives, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| And I mean, for the record, I think they're accurate. | ||
| So I think we are growing, we're getting to a point of sort of impatience on the right because, like you mentioned, it appears to be top down. | ||
| There is a sense of helplessness because anyone that goes into the mental health field to try and rectify the situation just gets pushed out. | ||
| So there does seem to be this growing exasperation with the LGBT movement, broadly speaking. | ||
| So I mean, I'm sure you've seen a bit of that in your field, but I mean, I don't know. | ||
| It does feel like I don't know, maybe things are getting a bit, I don't know if desperate is the right word, but we're looking for more potentially large and wide-spanning solutions for the issue. | ||
| Yeah, I think at this point we have hit a tipping point in the culture. | ||
| I think that at first when the transgender issue was happening and it was such rare cases, especially with children and children. | ||
| are going to start being protective of children. | ||
| So I actually am hopeful that there will be some positive change soon. | ||
| pumping the brakes but in the you know these fields and bureaucracy they move so slowly and we need more therapists more medical professionals who start speaking out against this and offering different treatment approaches which you know which there are there's networks of this rapid onset gender dysphoria therapists who who treat these kids and like i said they're they're having success So yeah, | ||
| I mean, I am hopeful that this will be a short-lived experiment. | ||
| But I do understand the exasperation because it has gotten so extreme and the real world consequences are so dire. | ||
| I mean, the amount of kids that this has already happened to that we've allowed this to happen to is unacceptable and I think will go down as one of the greatest medical scandals possibly ever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because, you know, these are these Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, well, speaking from the institutional side, is there any sort of mechanisms that state governments can use to get the ball rolling in the right direction in these institutions? | ||
| Or is this more of a, we're going to have to seek more like institutional recapture from the ground up? | ||
| You know, Trump's executive order with the gender ideology in federal agencies, that might push the needle one way. | ||
| But I think that in these blue states. | ||
| I have a sense that the federal government is sort of abandoning them to their own devices. | ||
| I mean, this clinic where they treat five-year-olds, that's the Santa Clara County behavioral health department. | ||
| So that's taxpayer money. | ||
| But is Gavin Newsom going to sign a bill, you know, banning this treatment for trans care? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think it's going to come down to the just a sense of illegitimacy of the professional bodies. | ||
| before there will be real change. | ||
| The state of California licenses marriage and family therapists. | ||
| And I think that there just needs to be more awareness that this industry is not a branch of healthcare. | ||
| It is a rogue social project. | ||
| And there's lots of right-wing, not even right-wing, but just like right-leaning, cultural right of San Francisco folks in California who just don't know that therapists have been so ideologically captured by this. | ||
| So raising awareness is for sure going to be the first strategy. | ||
| I also think that there is an impulse to outsource your child's mental health care to a professional. | ||
| But I truly believe that your child's mental health, it has to start with you. | ||
| It has to start with getting them off screens, getting them exercise, getting them proper nutrition, getting them quality time with family. | ||
| I know this is all easier said than done. | ||
| My child is 82. | ||
| Yeah, just sending them to a therapist, that's not going to cut it. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely, totally. | ||
| I mean, and that's, it needs to be reframed that way that there's, I mean, the amount of response. | ||
| You get this sense now where the parents, even in our side of the spectrum, so to speak, are trying to outsource their children's upbringing to something, whether it be a device, whether it be the schools, whether it even be their churches sometimes. | ||
| It's like the home ultimately is where the buck stops. | ||
| There's another question I want to ask you. | ||
| It's kind of back to the shooting situation. | ||
| Can you maybe expand or potentially I don't know if speculate is the correct word, but maybe explain the medications that someone like this would be on that could potentially impair their thinking because a lot of people are speculating. | ||
| RFK, actually 30 minutes before CitizenGet starts investigating SSRIs, it's a potential trigger for these sorts of things, these actions. | ||
| I don't know as an expert, I mean, what impact do these medications have on these people? | ||
| Yeah, well, we know it's very well documented that when SSRIs are prescribed to young people in particular, it can increase suicidal ideation as well as aggression. | ||
| That's not debated. | ||
| That's on the label. | ||
| So there's also been concurrently a push for general practitioners to be prescribing SSRIs as a first line of treatment for anxiety and depression. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So now you can go to a general practitioner, have, I don't know when the last time you went to a doctor is, but generally they're like 15 minute appointments. | ||
| They will, you can write a questionnaire or a questionnaire. | ||
| fill out a questionnaire and you know if you meet a certain criteria of depressive symptoms you can get walk away with a prescription um you know i don't know if this person was on any psychotropic medication um it's probably likely um and And, you know, I'm not going to draw the correlation between SSRIs and mass shootings. | ||
| A lot of people speculate on that. | ||
| I truly don't know. | ||
| But I can say that it increases suicidal ideation for adolescents. | ||
| That's, I mean, that's shocking. | ||
| I mean, it seems like we could potentially get to a point where these prescriptions will be able to be filed online. | ||
| I mean, it certainly seems like there's trending in that direction. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You can. | ||
| Right now, there are companies exist where you see, like, remember when, remember when you could get like a medical card for marijuana online by seeing it somewhere? | ||
| Yeah, now there's those services for these ssri prescriptions you go and have a 10 minute phone appointment with somebody and say you have anxiety and get this prescription um and a shocking percentage of of women are now on these drugs in particular women um but yeah for for children it it just it should not be a first-line treatment it should not We just, | ||
| I mean, I've spent, I talked about on the show yesterday, when I went live yesterday, there was virtually zero information on the shooting beyond that, you know, we had a general idea of the loss of life. | ||
| um and i had said that i think the biggest what you're noticing in america you're noticing this palpable instability you're feeling it off of people you're sensing off of people a sense of instability and that people are just snapping and also you're sensing this deep void inside of people that they're they're searching for for something um personally i think that's christ um and it seems like these ssri's are able to uh effectively zombify them where they don't even have to think about these things. | ||
| I mean, I know that's a bit, you know, hardcore, but maybe you can expand a little bit on what these drugs specifically do to people. | ||
| Yeah, well, so they're serotonin reuptake inhibitors. | ||
| So essentially they allow more serotonin to float around in your brain. | ||
| That used to be, the theory used to be that there was a lack of serotonin for people who were depressed. | ||
| That turned out to be completely bunk. | ||
| So the exact mechanism is how these drugs treat depression is sort of unknown. | ||
| And there's also just very shaky evidence that they work for moderate depression. | ||
| I think that we don't quite know what we're doing with the drugs. | ||
| And that is especially concerning for people who are underage, who get on these drugs while their brain is still developing. | ||
| It is extremely difficult to get off of these drugs. | ||
| There's all sorts of quasi-withdrawal symptoms. | ||
| There's brain zaps. | ||
| So that's a feeling like your brain, it's sort of like an electro, like electrostatic in your brain. | ||
| Feelings of depression, feelings of meaninglessness, jitteriness. | ||
| it's a long-term medication and it's not meant to be something that you get off of. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, I think that again, it's coming down to a cultural problem with such lack of meaning, like you said, maybe it's God and the SSRIs are sort of numbing that feeling of meaninglessness. | ||
| that's happening but our current culture is certainly not conducive to positive mental health. | ||
| I mean it's just really, really grim, really grim stuff. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Well, I hate to end on that. | ||
| No, we are running out of time. | ||
| I have so many questions in this kind of stuff. | ||
| Like it's just, it's fast. | ||
| And it's something people don't really think about as much, but it's something that has such a massive role in people's lives, especially with the SSRIs and stuff. | ||
| But, I mean, you talk about it all the time. | ||
| Where can people find you to get more? | ||
| Yeah, you can find me on X. My handle is Naomi Epps Best or just search Naomi Best. | ||
| And I also have a substack where I write about these things, Naomi Epps Best. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| Well, Naomi, thank you so much. | ||
| This was really insightful. | ||
| I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| Take care. | ||
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Oh, right. | |
| Well, that was Naomi Best. | ||
| That was really good. | ||
| That was really insightful. | ||
| I mean, you know, there's obviously a lot of, um, there's a lot of people, uh, speculating, a lot of policies proposed on Twitter, these sorts of things, which a lot of them, you know, arc would be conducive to success in a lot of cases. | ||
| It's nice to get someone that can break down the nitty gritty, someone that can break down the mechanisms that are at work at play. | ||
| She's fantastic. | ||
| She was on a culture war, um, few, few, it was probably a few weeks. | ||
| It was about a month and a half ago with, um, Dr. Drew and Dr. Chloe Carmichael. | ||
| I would recommend taking a look at that where she really expands on, on the, um, the ideological capture, uh, within the, um, psychology, world of psychiatry, psychology, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| Um, it's terrifying stuff and it's not really being talked about. | ||
| It's not really being talked about enough. | ||
| So it's it's really a relief to see rfk um that that soundbite from rfk before we went live um about the contribution of ssri drugs to violence i think uh we need a deep dive on that we need a study on that that absolutely integral to solving this issue. | ||
| But with that, I got to end here. | ||
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