Has Feminism Destroyed The West? Myron Gaines vs Kat Timpf w/ Alex Stein & Tim Pool
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If you want to talk about destroying the family, the dating marketplace, the way women view men in general, there's so many different problems that have come from feminism, and it's a multi-pronged issue, depending on whichever sex you want.
You know, their expectations are far too high for what they bring to the table.
They're fairly delusional thanks to, you know, social media, dating apps, et cetera, where, you know, simps are blowing smoke up their ass all the time.
And what's happened is women have a very unrealistic standard on what they think they deserve versus what's out there.
And if they do find that guy, they think that that guy should kind of bend to their women.
So when I say that they're hoes, what I mean is in they have promiscuous type behavior.
I mean, they're still, you know, having sex with a smaller portion of the men, but they're still getting a high body count because there's a lot of these guys.
So what ends up happening is a lot of girls end up being Eskimo sisters, a lot of other women because they're all smashing the same, you know, minority of men.
You know, and this gets, especially like in major cities like in Miami, for example, right?
Like the girls that are going out and doing things and whatever, they're hooking up with the same small percentage of guys all the time.
Well, look, I don't have a problem with women, you know, aspiring to go to school and everything else like that.
My thing is, I think we just need to be honest with them.
If you're going to go ahead and pursue a career and higher education, your chances of finding a man are going to drop off precipitously because your standards go up as you increase your income, your status, because women are hypergamous.
They're not like us.
When we get status and money, our standards stay fairly the same or we just want a hotter girl.
But when women increase their status, they want a guy on their level financially, mentally, et cetera.
So we just need to be honest with women is the more successful you become, the likelihood of you finding a guy drop off.
There was that graph that went viral that people are basically becoming needs, men and women.
They're less conscientious.
They're more neurotic.
They're less agreeable.
They're isolating themselves.
I don't know if that's a product of feminism, but what I can say is right now the current system is not conducive to happy relationships between either men and women.
I think that the way that our society has oriented itself, where it's like obsession over money and working and like the betrayal of like family and connection relationship is harming everyone.
I don't think that this is a unique like woman problem or man problem.
When we're talking about like the loneliness epidemic, it's mostly a male-skewed issue.
In the Pew Research, men between the ages of like 18 to 25, 61% of them, I think, hadn't even dated before.
Whereas I think it was only like 30% of young women.
Like, what are men typically selecting for in a relationship?
Youthfulness, beauty, right?
Some level of like making him feel good.
What are women selecting for?
Stability factors.
And so in this way, women are dating the pool of men that give them the stability factors because it usually takes men a couple of years to get education and a career and like something built underneath them.
And men are selecting for the things that they want.
It's not just stability anymore, is what I'm trying to say.
It's not just stability.
It's also, is the guy handsome?
Is he tall?
Is he charming?
Is he charismatic?
Like, since women make their own money, they're able to be a bit more selective because they don't just need the provisioning anymore.
They just, they want other things as well.
Is he handsome?
How does he look, et cetera?
So women do have a staked interest now in how a man looks and how he conveys himself As well, since they handle the provisioning part themselves.
So it's made women more selective, but that's kind of come at their dismay because now it's harder to find that guy that is a total package with everything.
You know, I think men are a victim of what their surroundings because the amount of men that have microplastics in their testicles now, seriously, you know, now the amount of estrogen in.
I want to, maybe I'm just jumping the gun, but I was just thinking about what's if we want if we want to go into dating stuff, I think maybe we'll come back to it.
But on the question of feminism, the one thing that I really, really pisses me off, women won the right to vote without civic responsibility.
And so they shouldn't be able to have the right to vote.
I think it's fine to say women should have the right to vote.
However, we got to look at the context in the United States, and that's women do not have an obligation to die in war that men do, but women can vote overwhelmingly for Democrats promoting these wars, and then men are left on the hook for a war they tend not to vote for.
Number one, the vote has never actually been tied to military service.
It's typically citizenship and age are usually kind of the two main things that we've always used for voting.
I would be totally fine with us having an amendment where we add women to selective service.
I have no issue with that whatsoever, right?
And I think equal strokes.
The issue is that when it comes to voting, there are going to be topics that uniquely affect men and uniquely affect women.
In this case, war does uniquely affect men right now, which might be unfair.
But in the case of something like abortion, abortion, and birthright control and all these sort of things, these disproportionately affect women, right?
And so when we're talking about like who gets the right to vote, is it because of like certain topics uniquely affect one gender another?
That's not how we've ever tied the right to vote.
It could be landowners.
It could be multiple things.
In America, though, we seem to mostly decide age and citizenship.
But the problem I have is that Democrats have been substantially more likely to vote for war to promote war, particularly in Ukraine.
Republicans have been pressuring Trump not to be involved.
His base split over the Iran issue.
Millennial women are about 70% voting Democrat.
So you have this phenomenon in the millennial to Gen Z younger generation where women are disproportionately voting for a war they have no responsibility in, or I should say a limited responsibility in.
And it's crazy to me that half the population can vote and sent the other half to die.
So it's interesting to me how she said, oh, yeah, this isn't something new.
Yeah, you're right.
Everyone from, since ancient times, knew that women are needed to make them second-class citizens.
Here's the craziest part.
They lived in other ends of the world and they still realize the Asian dudes, ling, bing, ding, all the way to the fucking Muhammads in the Middle East to the Eastern Europeans of Slav.
You were talking about these global things about how when women are oppressed, you know, that's been the societal trend.
And so I asked you, Modern America decided, along with a whole bunch of Western democracies, and I think you like Western civilization, that that's a bad idea.
And so the question is, why is America so great if Saudi Arabia has got this one thing so well?
Sure, but we also are like negating the fact that some of the biggest breakthroughs in ecology science come from the humanitarian approach that women have.
DNA was discovered by women.
So the issue is that women are decently valuable.
When we talk about women being stupid, men are stupid all the time too.
Men are the morons that are ending up in fucking jail all the time because they can't stop.
Like every one of you has been to a hospital, and you're probably super grateful that there's an entire health industry oriented at making sure that your ass doesn't die.
Femininity would be like the emergent things that we see.
Nurturance, typically like empathy and kindness, all the things that we typically see in a Western society that would go, yeah, that's feminine by and large.
But when it comes to empathy, especially to the masculine experience, they don't have it at all.
I would argue most women don't know what men want.
They don't know what men are interested in.
They don't know what it takes to keep a man around, which is why most girls can't even stay in a relationship long term or get married.
And let's be honest here, the reason why they're not empathetic is because there's no need to be empathetic because men approach them.
Since men approach them and they do the courting and they have to do everything up front, especially at the beginning, a lot of women aren't empathetic to the masculine experience because they don't have to be.
Wait, but by these standards, your co-host is inferior to you in every way because he's weaker.
He doesn't exercise his mind.
He's not as strong.
That's not what the issue is.
I think I'm actually fitter than Fresh.
He's stronger than me, but I think I'm literally fitter than him.
And also, when it comes to debates, I tend to do better than him in debates.
All the things that you tend to value are the things that he's inferior.
The issue is, hold on, just so it's clear.
I don't think, I don't think that Fresh is inferior because I don't think that only these things matter to the value of a person.
When we talk about things like the Western civilization tradition, if you guys actually care about the American project and what this means, we have to get real about the things that are the precepts of what we believe in.
This is things like Christian theology and Aristotelian thinking.
And in these precepts, everyone assumes that there is going to be a variety of ways in which people are beneficial, but we don't typically give inferior or superior because we recognize, for example, that while Fresh is not as strong as a debater as you, he's so good at networking.
He's really personable.
He's really good at like connecting people and you value that.
She's married, which is a male-led institution, which is interesting to me.
So it's like she's buying into it, even though she's trying to sit here and be like, I'm kind of like, I'm a feminist, but at the same time, I'm married, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, pick one, man.
You serve under a man.
So it's like, I don't even know why she's talking.
And I would never have a child with somebody who didn't see me as a person.
I see a lot of posts on the internet about like the fertility problem and why aren't women having kids?
And you look at the comments, you see why maybe women don't want to have kids with, it ain't the women that are the problem a lot of the times.
There's a lot of problems with talking about women, why don't women want to have kids and not enough talk about why men aren't becoming, in some cases, the kind of partners that women would not or that women would want to have a child with.
I did not meet someone I'd want to have a child with until I met my husband when I was 30.
I'm going to bring it back to feminism because I want to answer the question.
I think feminism is a key component in relationship breakdown.
There was a story several years ago where in New York, women in their 30s could not find men who made as much or more than they did.
And it was like a shock to the system.
All these writers, all these, these are female writers who various penalties saying, why can't we find good men?
And it's, well, because they weren't attracted to guys who made less and they don't want to be with younger guys.
So the guys who are the same age as them, who made $50,000 a year, were like, I can date a 24-year-old Woman, somebody who wants to have a family and is younger.
So, guys are aiming for younger women, but women are being told to get jobs and have careers.
But you mentioned guys aren't stepping up.
I think this creates an inverse problem where for young men, they're either struggling to date because younger women can date older guys through dating apps, or women, you know, why buy the cow when you get the milk for free, if you know what I mean.
Like, you can have sex without like these guys who are young are like, I don't need a job, I don't need status because if I go to the club and spend 15 bucks on booze, I get laid.
I just think that like this is like the trade-off of agency, right?
Like, agency is one of the most important things that we can have, the ability to choose, right?
Because if you don't have agency, you can't choose to do noble and good things.
You can't choose to do bad things.
And so, I would agree that, like, when I look at the modern dating culture, first of all, the 24-year-old girls are not like, I'm so ready to settle down and have husbands.
They're like, these are the people you're calling whores half the time, right?
I remember, you know, last week we had this big debate on police.
And I think the shortcomings for Michael Malice, which I respect the guy, he's a good friend, but he kept saying police were bad.
And it sounded like all he was saying was, yes, there are big problems with police and there's no alternative or the system will always be bad in some way, but there is a worse.
So I look at this now and I'm like, okay, you know, I agree to a certain degree on the deontological aspect of people should have free choice.
You want to have a job, you can do it.
You want to have finances, all that's fine.
Is the end result then that Gen Alpha is 40 million and collapsing and there won't be any humans in the future or cities are going to start shrinking, infrastructure is going to start crumbling and we're going to go, you know, it was a moral good to make sure that we had this semblance of equality under the law and then society was destroyed by it.
The problem is that we're not honest with women, right?
We don't tell them, look, if you want to pursue a career, you want to make money, your chances of finding a guy down the road are going to be significantly harder.
We don't tell them if you decide to be promiscuous now, it's going to cost you later on.
We tell women they should be able to do whatever they want and not deal with consequences of their actions.
In other words, go ahead and be on OnlyFans and you'll still find a guy that's 6'3 making $100,000 a month that's going to take you seriously.
It's not going to happen.
So we're not honest with women about what happens.
And the reason why is because women don't really deal with the consequences of their bad decisions a lot of times until it's too late.
At least with men, if I'm a loser, I have to deal with the consequences of being a loser.
Women don't.
We don't tell them the truth.
Because financially, there's no incentive to tell women the truth because women are consumers.
So we want to tell them what sounds good so they continue to consume.
So one of my biggest frustrations with feminism, as somebody who's defending feminism, which is funny because feminists really don't like me a lot of the time, is that I think that we have done a lot of infantilizing of women.
I think that infantilizing of women was a form of sexism that came with low agency.
And the issue is that women are being like, we want agency, but also baby us.
And I think that that's a bad thing.
The issue is that I have no issue with you saying, women, you should have a family.
It's the thing that you will come to love the most.
You should be more careful in who you're selecting.
I don't have any issue with this.
I have an issue with you taking away my rights because that takes away my agency.
The issue is that most men who are addicted to porn don't discover how much it's fucking up their sex lives until they actually get a girlfriend and they can't fuck inside their girlfriend.
So let me ask you, is it like, it's nice to have your door open on a nice, cool summer night, you know?
Sure.
It feels good.
And then at three in the morning, one day a guy breaks into your house.
Yes, you can mention that there are good systems that lead to comfortability and success, but eventually those can create security problems for your society, which creates the ebb and flow of security states.
Exactly, but this is why-The problems are going to get so bad that more Myrons are going to start emerging because they're going to say, crime is way too high.
Women keep voting for Democrats overwhelmingly, and whether the reason is that women vote for Democrats, that's what they identify, and then it's going to lead to some kind of social disorder and then an authoritarian shift.
So there's this concept, I wish I could remember what it's called, but it's this idea how essentially sometimes the advocacy the social advocacy itself prevents the bad thing from happening so let me give an example you guys are familiar with jordan peterson bill c16 he was super worried about um are you guys familiar with this or i don't have to like summarize it you guys are familiar with this great okay he lost that, didn't he?
He did.
But one of his arguments for why he's doing it is he was saying this might lead to some sort of authoritarian control on free speech.
And a whole bunch of people, like, especially on my side, were like, you're so stupid.
The issue is that it is very likely that his advocacy against C-16 is part of what informed Congress's interpretation of that bill to make it less authoritarian.
I don't have an issue with you guys saying women should be more cautious.
Women aren't being very smart.
I don't have an issue with that.
That's free speech.
And that is some of the things that will probably offset the degradation of society that you're maybe worried about if I agree with your worldview.
If a system of open and free choice would ultimately, would ultimately lead to the end of the society of civilization, human death and extinction, is it a good system?
Where was my generation, men and women, to be like, it is a social imperative to have a family now sorted out?
For all the young guys, men were told sexual liberation, you don't need to have a family, who cares?
Birth control and abortions in every major city.
And now, Gen Alpha, I don't think people realize how insane it is that the upcoming generation that are 15 years old at their oldest, there's only 40 million already.
And actually, I'm a big fan of this part.
Universities are shutting down.
18 years on from the financial collapse in 0708, people my age didn't have any kids.
There are no 18-year-olds to go to university or to start jobs.
And so companies are struggling to hire.
Universities are shutting down.
And this is just the beginning of fertility collapse.
Now, if we had a society that told men, and even I'm saying, even with choice, they said to men, guys, you should strive to be the best, the strongest, the boss.
Women, choose what you want, but social pressure is be a mom, have a family, help society continue.
If that was the route we went and we still had social pressures on having kids, we wouldn't be in this fertility crisis.
The end result is that liberals with these feminist sensibilities are less likely to have kids, more likely to abort, and shockingly more likely to surgically amputate the genitals of their children than conservatives who are less feminist and more traditional.
You can do whatever the fuck you want on TV as long as that fertility trend continues and it is happening.
There's going to be a collapse of the feminist ideology and conservatives will take over in 50 to 60 years because there are no liberals being born.
It's because he's gay and they called him a f ⁇ ing.
When South Park says to mainstream liberals, Trump is bad and it's because he's gay, and that's what they're making fun of, that's a cultural shift so far to the right, it is shocking in a short period of time.
Gen Z is the first generation in 100 years to begin shifting rightward.
And I think a large reason, not the only reason, is fertility rates, which we saw in the 2000s among liberals at about 1.43 and conservatives 2.01, meaning in 18 years, there will be 20 or so percent more conservatives than liberals based on who their parents teach them.
Sorry, sorry for talking so much, but I just want to address that point because you mentioned it already about the universities.
That's why I brought up South Park.
The cultural shift is pronounced.
The liberal woke stuff was shifted so rapidly in the course of a couple of years that when you mention universities and the cultural trends to pull conservative kids left, that's shifted dramatically.
I agree, but I think assuming something like the universities are going to go away, like the university institution has been around for like 2,000 years.
I don't think universities are going away.
And generally, universities tend to trend left because people who are leftward are high openness to experience, so they tend to like things like learning and education, right?
What I think is actually more important here is has the left failed to indoctrinate within its culture a value of children?
I would just say, yeah, I think it has, right?
But one thing that I would caution you towards, right, when you write this doomsday of feminism leading to the collapse and decay of all of society, when you look at cultural trends, they're always ebbing and flowing back and forth because one side starts winning the culture war and the political war.
They get too much power.
They become kind of assholes because a lot of us are assholes with power.
And then the other side kind of populates and becomes more popular again, right?
And we've seen this dance back and forth between left and right winning the culture war and leading all the time.
This is kind of what democracy is.
In fact, that's the fundamentals of what democracy is.
And so I don't think that we should be looking at feminism going, this is going to lead to the death and decay of society.
We should go, what parts of it are bad?
What parts of the institutions are bad?
What things need to be corrected?
And how do we correct them?
Because so far, the miracle of the American Project is pretty damn fucking good.
It's actually the best thing that's ever happened in human history, probably ever.
But I do want to make one point that's going on right now with Washington, D.C. is, and it's not, it's not, you know, Trump focuses on D.C., but Chicago, all these big cities.
It's insane how disgusting and crime-ridden our cities have become.
I mean, we saw a tent city on the way here, and there's two questions.
Why does the city allow this?
And I don't mean to forcefully remove people with no choice.
You can make the liberal argument of why are they not trying to help these people to solve that problem, or the conservative argument, why are they allowing people to camp on their streets?
And one thing we didn't talk about, but one point I wanted to make earlier, the aspect of trans people taking no, seriously, taking over women's space, because you don't think that trans women are a threat to actual femininity or whatever.
Like on like public streets, like all through like Venice and stuff.
I remember going to co-ed bathrooms in the UK, like in France, it was like totally normal.
Surprise, surprise.
France, yes, in France.
And one thing that I would actually point out here is if you've ever seen the lines between like the male bathroom and the woman bathroom, it would be great if we were sharing the same space.
Real quick, we're going to go to the audience, but there was a really funny story where this woman was an Antarctic researcher complaining about sexism because she couldn't stand up and piss in Antarctica.
And so she was insisting that the U.S. spend research, like their research grant money, on building outhouses in the middle of Antarctica because it was sexist that men could unzip and release and she couldn't.
And she didn't think it was, she didn't want to use one of those funnels.
All right, guys, this has been a good debate so far.
Yeah, I got the list right here.
Okay, guys, so what we're going to do is we're going to pick some names, and you're going to immediately haul ass to this side of the stage where I'm pointing.
We're going to have a microphone.
If you're good for a minute, we might bring you on stage.
If you suck, we're going to make you sit down, okay?
It's just us realizing that you guys are not equal to us and we have to be the custodians of women.
We have to protect and provide for you guys.
I'm actually very big into a traditional relationship where the man is a leader, protects, and provides for his woman, and all she has to worry about is making sandwiches and taking care of the kids.
And I think that's how society's thrived for a long time.
So it's actually the contrary.
I think men need to protect women from themselves a lot of the times because I don't think women in positions of power leads to a great society.
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So one other thing that you said earlier was that men being in power has led to a great history.
Wait, but if we just granted your evolutionary argument of like development, yeah, patriarchies have been the most competitive.
And now what we're seeing is that an egalitarian society that includes women in like the workforce and the right to vote are the most successful societies in modern.
Like it seems like we've just continued to advance.
And the next level of advancement is the inclusion of women.
You are correct about that, but they have some things in better check than we do when it comes to dealing with their women, right?
But yes, to go back to what we're saying, I think a male-led society is going to fare off a lot better than a female-led society is my point.
Everything is gonna be prone to human error, but I think when men are in charge, there's gonna be lesser error.
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Do you, I would just say to that, that throughout history, you know, and you think about all of the major wars and everything, are we in a significantly different place on a world cultural scale than men-led societies?
I mean, again, my thing is I think that men are better than women and everything that matters.
And I think men need to lead society.
And I think women should be focusing on having children and families versus chasing a career.
And if we are going to allow them to go ahead and chase a career, let's at least be honest with them and let them know that this is going to come with some very serious consequences that might lead to your long-term sorrow, sadness, anti-depression medication, et cetera.
I just don't think that we're honest with women about where they stand.
But the issue is that if men are so much better than women, then how are we in this position where suddenly men are also being destroyed by society and crushed by them?
We can't have these two mutually exclusive things at the same time.
What I would actually argue is that men are stupid in a lot of stupid ways.
But then after that, my voice is when you look at Fortune 500 companies, with or without feminism, the only way to get parity of female leaders is through force.
Well, I want to make this argument, though, and it's an oversimplification, but basically our brain has two hemispheres, right and left, and there's one that they consider more emotional and one that's more logical.
And that they say men use the logical side and women use the emotional side more.
And I would argue that if you're more emotionally intelligent, that could make up for your logical intelligence.
So even though you're not like a brainiac, a woman that has smart emotional intelligence can be just as successful.
You don't agree to open your paws.
I know.
I'm just saying, you don't agree that how that can, or I guess Myron, I mean, you don't think that that can overcome for logical intelligence, emotional intelligence?
I would just like to say, so I'm not for like the infantilization of women in any capacity.
Whether that's women, I just would like it to be a level playing field in terms of some women will go out and be successful and have very successful high-earning careers such as myself.
So, I actually think that fathers should be involved in their daughters' mating decisions because here's the thing with women: you guys tend to pick the bad boy or the guy that might not necessarily be the best long-term suitor when you're at your highest value.
So, when the father comes in, he's able to assess this guy, be like, No, this guy doesn't really want you for you.
He just wants to use you for sex.
I don't want this guy.
I'm going to go find you another guy that's going to actually, you know, love you and be with you long-term and provision.
I actually think the part When I talk about empathy, I mean as into the masculine experience and how men to us, because, and this is why so many women struggle with keeping a guy long term.
Well, what I'm saying is that a lot of modern day women, when I talk to them and they say, like, one of the top questions I get with girls is like, well, what do guys want?
Especially more attractive men.
And it's amazing to me that they even have to ask that because with men, if we don't know what women want, we just have to deal with the consequences.
But with women, they can kind of get along in life and meet guys and date and everything without really knowing what men want.
So my point about empathy was actually that I think the reason perhaps why you think women don't have empathy is because of these issues we're talking about with women getting married later in life and having children later in life.
The empathy is not directed towards the family unit anymore.
And it's actually extrapolated to outside groups, which is why we see things like tent cities and an outsized focus on minority groups.
Yeah, I mean, like I said before, they can absolutely have sympathy.
But when I'm talking about empathy specifically, I'm talking about the male experience and like kind of how men go through things in life.
Like I don't think women are empathetic to the masculine experience.
Whereas like men, we have to understand women to some level if we want to be successful.
And if you look at guys that like are Really good with women, like pickup artists or dating coaches, whatever, they have a very fine-tuned understanding and empathy to women because they're trying to get laid.
So they have to be able to think ahead on what the woman's going to expect, what she's going to want, the type of vibe she's going to want when it comes to making something sexual.
So I argue that men are far more empathetic than women are, especially guys that are good with women.
I don't think women are empathetic to men because they don't have to be aware of that.
I got to disagree with that because you're also making the point that women aren't getting good guys because they're hypergamous.
And so if women are going to suffer later in life because they can't get a good guy who wants to help them have a family and be a strong protector, that is a detriment to women by, I guess what I'm saying is women need to be empathetic to the male experience if they want to have a successful family and relationship.
I think that's a lot of, even in the black community, obviously, I think it's a lot of the broken home situations, Myron, that there's actually a lot of examples where black guys have both parents there and they're incredibly successful.
So I think that, you know, the way that people are brought up, the patriarchy or whatever you want to call it, is very important to their, you know, I've always said that strong dads keep daughters off share poles and sons out of jail.
But isn't part of the issue that we're outlining here that you're saying is that society doesn't have empathy towards men, which I would actually disagree with.
There's really good research on this, actually.
If you look at like the age at which we view boys becoming men, it almost completely overlaps with the spike of suicide rates amongst young boys, which is about the age of 14.
So I would actually wholly agree with you that society doesn't have like empathy for men in any way, shape, or form, right?
And we have this kind of weird, infantilized empathy for women that I think is actually harmful to them in a lot of ways because it robs them of a lot of their agency.
But when you're saying like it's women that don't have empathy for men, I feel like you're actually missing like 50% of the pie.
When it's, it's society.
Nobody cares about men.
They don't care that you're struggling.
They don't care that you're lonely.
They think your tears are gross.
And I think that that's a horrible state, but I don't think this is a woman-driven thing.
I'm not pro, but I'm saying is I don't like infantilizing adults.
I understand why.
I think you're right as to like why we oftentimes like systemically infantilize women more.
I just think it's harmful to both women and to men because it leads to this like really weird disjunct where if a woman is like sexually aggressive with a man, people are like, oh, he probably loved it.
But if a man does the same thing towards the same age woman, we're all like, he's a monster.
And I think that creates this disjoint of unparity that I think is harmful and devalues men in a way that they don't think is good.
Yeah, I mean, again, I'm not sitting here trying to feel sad, but I'm just saying like this is just the honest reality when it comes to like how women deal with men and how men deal with women.
Like men have to understand women, whereas women don't really have to understand Men to be able to get the same access, right?
But if they don't deal with women better, they'd probably have longer marriages and women would be leaving them less often, I'm assuming, right?
Because women cite the same reasons over and over for why they end the marriages, even though I would argue to women, like there should probably be more.
Yeah, I mean, when it comes to, like I've said this, women get mad at me when I say this, but like women are literally designed to extract value from men.
That's only true that when women earn more than their male partners, that it's a problem for the relationship.
If the male has a very traditional view of masculinity and she does too, the moment that you remove a traditional view of masculinity where for example, the woman goes like, I'm the breadwinner and that's totally fine with me.
Suddenly the relationship's completely balanced out.
So I want to focus this one on third wave feminism specifically and what I think the underlying issue is because I'm not, Myron, I'm not arguing for women to not get the right to vote, et cetera.
But if we look at third wave feminism, I think one of the distinct problems with it is that it's not that women shouldn't be considered equal to men.
It's that third wave feminism pushed the message that men and women were the same.
Do you want to just make your point and then ask a question?
What do you think?
unidentified
We have a lot of consumerism and technologies nowadays that I think enable feminism.
Do you think that a time when they didn't have paper towels or a washing machine or all of these other things that women used to do, were they oppressed in that role taking care of the house?
Yeah, I think I think essentially that when you like take away people's like political rights, you are robbing them of agency, which I think is inherently oppressive.
I think stealing people's ability to make choices is bad.
And most importantly, you can see this, for example, when you look at Spartan women versus Athenian women.
Spartan women were actually expected to manage the household because Spartans thought it was gay for men to touch money, basically, which is funny.
But Spartan women, as a result, were able to negotiate a lot more things like better wages, better marital care, better maternity leave.
Whereas Athenian women were basically rejected from society.
And as a result, they were entirely powerless.
So yes, not having any political power or agency diminishes your ability and does create a pressure.
You guys are fucking useless when it comes to anything that has to do with enforcement.
I'll tell you why.
They don't know how to do things tactically.
They can barely go ahead and actually subdue a subject.
So whenever I had women and I did an operation plan, I put these bitches on the perimeter because they can't effectively get into a fight and they put everyone else in danger.
So when it comes to military, law enforcement, anything like that, I think women shouldn't be involved in those professions.
As in right now, when you have, I'll just give an example of the feminist movement being tied with transgenderism and all these other sorts of things that is more left-wing and just more collectivist in mindset.
We bring girls on that have PhDs, master's degrees, educated with bachelor's degrees, all different types of job fields.
And I've still noticed some very interesting similarities despite education level, cultural background, etc., with the women.
So my thing is, unfortunately, almost all women, well, damn near 99% of women are all very hypergamous.
And what I tell guys is the reason why they need to rise up and make more money and get in the gym and just be the best they can be is because women's standards have went up.
And since women's standards have went up, most guys don't qualify.
And I think for any guy to be able to have a relationship where they can make it last and have their girl be somewhat satisfied is they have to be the best version of yourself because women are pickier now than ever before thanks to feminism.
And not only that, but women are encouraged to get the best they can.
So my thing isn't necessarily that I'm around lower quality women, you would say.
It's just that I'm around a lot of different types of women from different walks of life.
And I would argue the hotter the girl, the more hypergamous they're going to be because they can be.
of course and now it's 83 83 of men now the uh 83 don't reproduce well no no no i'm sorry as of the younger generation sure but historically throughout thousands and thousands of years of course the number was around 40 modern history it's around 80.
of course I understand Gen Z is yeah and here's the thing too we had guardrails right before like you know you had the church you had a social shame you had stigmas with women behaving and acting in a way to you know effectuate their hypergamy but these guardrails are gone now so like women can literally do whatever they want well part of the reason why men they're gonna pick the best guy part of the reason why historically men weren't spreading their seed is they were dying in the mines and they were dying in war because the way that society dealt with what we call like the young male syndrome which is a real issue of young men that don't have mates because typically young men don't actually get mates because
you guys are immature and have to grow up a little bit this has always been historically true that this is absolutely true this is what war is fed because a major issue in all nation states when they were beginning you can go back to like the 700s is the question of the young male issue young men are more violent more aggressive and stupid and you guys often have to get shipped off to bad places now I love the western civilization where we don't do that to young men because I think that's fucked up yeah we do no we don't we don't send men we're not killing off men in the numbers that were right regulated in history and
unidentified
I think that that's good sure but we still have drafts and we still have war sure but the issue is when you talk about like men aren't spreading their seed in history it's because they were dying all right real quick let's do you have one last thing Jess before you go it's been three minutes uh one last thing you want to say um I'm a veteran I just want to I want to make one point uh additionally because I was talking about collectivism a moment ago and I feel like with Myron um saying like all men all women and just coming at your audience uh with
that narrative it leaves out the traditional view kind of like Tim was saying of I'm 23 and I meet someone and do this and you grow with that person together like I was with my husband while I was going to college yeah that's great but I mean but you're an exception to the rule okay but no you have a selection bias Myron your 23 year old girls are not going to do that no I'm sorry like this is just not true like when you look at dating typically women are going to date people within their economic and within their economic and
their age bracket the reason why your data real quick Utsaf Utsaf off sanduza or sanduja the reason the reason why your show has such a bad selection bias is because most women don't want to go on to get like bullied by the audience forever however if you have an only fans you absolutely want to go on whatever and Your show to promote it.
You're the biggest threat, you stupid Indian with your DEI bullshit.
I'm not worried about some damn AI taking my job.
unidentified
I'm worried about you D's coming over here and making chicken kick and masala in the damn company microwave and sticking up the whole place like Curry.
So, let me.
Hey, I didn't know how to use a microwave.
So, let me tell you my favorite friend who is I love you.
Can we talk about the great uncucking of Alex Stein, who up to a few months ago, until he decided to lose weight, was a complete grotty unfuckable who no one wants to do.
And this is actually more of a robot question because I'm not going to get in the full details of what happened, but basically a robot stole money from me.
And everybody looked, bro, it was a room full Of managers with their thumbs up their asses being like, there's nothing we can do because the robot said so.
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
So, both men and women equally had their thumbs up their asses.
Like, and in the same way that like men like to fantasize about like fucking like magical like troll girls.
Like, yes, we all fantasize about weird, stupid shit, right?
The issue is that, like, you know, in the case of like my marriage, okay, yeah, my husband is my leader and I respect him, but part of why I feel that way towards Nick is because he respects me, he cares about me.
When we disagree and it comes to like who's going to be right, I know that like nine times out of ten, he like has my best interest in mind.
It's not just because he's like this male superior.
And I hear like a lot of these men being like, yeah, men do need to be.
Well, the issue, Myron, is that women are able to look at the world and recognize that some people are good at some things and other people are good at other things.
And both of these people have to do with the world.
Like for my marriage, I'm basically in charge of externalities.
He's in charge of internality, like internal issues.
So when it comes to what she needs for the baby, what she needs for the house, where we're going on vacation, who we're seeing for holidays, I just say, you know what?
I have no idea.
That's up to you.
But when it comes to calling lawyers, dealing with bullshit, getting shit done, I'm going to go and fight.
I put on this.
I'm going to fight the grizzly bear if it shows up with my bare hands and then die.
It sounds stereotype, but that's kind of like a thing.
So I think Myron likes women, but it's like this weird thing that if you attack them, that makes them makes strong men can't be honest about their feelings.
If your dog dies, you can cry, but go cry in the bathroom.
All right, stay up here, Angela.
But Tiani, is that Tiani?
Is Tiani here?
Maybe we can get in one more female before the end of the night.
Give it up for Tiani.
Come on down.
I hope you got something good.
You got one minute.
You got the bold lib.
Myron Gaines, Kat Tamp, and Natsu Eurudite.
What do you got for us?
unidentified
Okay, so if we as a society want to get back to traditional values and a strong nuclear family, how are we supposed to do that when we lack strong male role models in the public eye?
Especially when we've got public figures with a strong influence amongst young men and boys who are constantly like criticizing 304s, but like bragging about what do you mean?
Well, I think what we tell guys, you know, if you watch the content, we talk a lot about self-improvement, going to the gym, understanding that, you know, you got to be the best version of yourself.
And then, you know, obviously pursue the women after you become that complete package because nowadays with the way hypergamy is, women don't want average men anymore.
So we're very vocal about that.
I think people only look at the content of me debating, you know, women or whatever, but they don't look at all the self-improvement content I put out on, you know, improving your credit, real estate investing, getting in the gym and training.
With second wave feminism, women were encouraged to get jobs and have careers, and that's a great thing that they have that option.
But due to that, the workforce was doubled overnight.
That caused more workers competing for jobs, driving down overall wages.
That led to the standard of dual-income households, making it nearly impossible for a soul breadwinner to own a home or raise a family.
Do we think, do y'all believe that coupled with modern feminism promoting long-term relationships, not promoting long-term relationships or marriages, that it has all ultimately led to the economic struggles that we as young people are facing today?
Not only is it inevitable that women are going to enter the workforce, it was necessary because you have to compete as an economy at a global market.
And it's very, very important that your GDP is globally competitive.
If everyone else lets women enter into the workforce, which inevitably is going to happen if you're globally competing, increasing your labor product by 50% is an explosion when it comes to economic momentum, things like productivity.
The reality is that women being in the workforce is a major part of what has led to the American pre-dominance of the economy.
I'm here because my husband, Eric McCartney, watches y'all show.
I yell at him like we need a date night.
And he watches y'all shit.
This is our fucking date night.
Yeah.
Yeah, the man's making the decisions, obviously.
I'm a supportive woman.
Okay?
We've raised nine children between us.
Yours wine, ours, and theirs.
Three biological.
Okay?
I understand what y'all saying.
Yes, women, we deserve a right to go to work.
We own our house because I worked hard enough to buy it myself, but we cannot be legally married because America no longer supports family fucking households.
First off, let me say I'm not wearing a spicy vest.
The American left has been getting pretty cozy with Muslim and Islam culture, and that seems to be in direct conflict with their pet issues of feminism and LGBT.
As a center-right-leaning transsexual myself, I am concerned about the mainstreaming of Islam and eventually Sharia law in this country.
And to tie it back into today's theme, I would imagine feminists would have similar feelings.
How does this conflict work itself out?
I feel that the left is just using feminism and LGBT as disposable weapons, useful only when they align with their political goals.
