Has Feminism Destroyed The West? Myron Gaines vs Kat Timpf w/ Alex Stein & Tim Pool
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asked kyla before the show started how how long until we heard the word jews right away 30 seconds 30 seconds and myron and i will both be going to Israel to touch the wall after this podcast.
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If you want to talk about destroying the family, the dating marketplace, the way women view men in general, there's so many different.
problems that have come from feminism and it's it's a multi-pronged issue depending on whichever section you want to name one i mean we could start with dating right so these bitches are too entitled if i'm going to be honest uh You know, their expectations are far too high for what they bring to the table.
They're fairly delusional thanks to, you know, social media, dating apps, et cetera, where, you know, Sims are blowing smoke up their ass all the time.
And what's happened is women have a very unrealistic standard on what they think they deserve versus what's out there.
And if they do find that guy, they think that that guy should kind of bend to their women.
So when I say that they're hoes, what I mean is in they have promiscuous type behavior.
I mean, they're still, you know, having sex with a smaller portion of the men, but they're still getting a high body count because there's a lot of these guys.
So what ends up happening is a lot of girls end up being Eskimo sisters, a lot of other women because they're all smashing the same, you know, minority of men.
You know, and this gets, especially like in major cities like in Miami, for example, right?
Like the girls that are going out and doing things and whatever.
they're hooking up with the same small percentage of guys all the time.
if they are who cares i would say i would say no i would say i enjoy being a a member of society i like being able to vote i like being able to have a bank account and it's so crazy that i'm also a mother at the same time with a husband who loves me and is able to handle the fact that i'm my own person Well, I think Kat makes actually a good point though, Myron.
Well, look, I don't have a problem with women you know aspiring to go to school and everything else like that my thing is i think we just need to be honest with them if you're going to go ahead and pursue a career and higher education is your chances of finding a man are going to drop off precipitously because your standards go up as you increase your your income your status uh because women are hypergamists they're not like us when we get status and money you know our standards stay fairly the same or we just want a hotter girl but when women increase their status they want a guy on their level financially mentally etc so um we just need to be honest with women is the more
successful you become the likelihood of you finding a guy you know there's a drop off there's a really that was not the case for me i i'm actually more successful than you are myron Wow, shots fired.
There was that graph that went viral that people are basically becoming needs, men and women.
They're less conscientious.
They're more neurotic.
They're less agreeable.
They're isolating themselves.
I don't know if that's a product of feminism, but what I can say is right now the current system is not conducive to happy relationships between either men and women.
I think that like the way that our society is oriented itself where it's like obsession over money and working and like the betrayal of like family and connection relationship is harming everyone.
I don't think that this is a unique like woman problem or man problem.
problem or man problem when we're talking about like the loneliness epidemic it's mostly a male skewed issue um right like men in the peer research men between the ages of like 18 to 25 60 like one percent of them i think hadn't even dated before whereas i think it was only like 30 of young women doesn't that doesn't that prove myron's point sort of i mean these women are dating but the men are not that means the women are dating all the same guys Well, no, they're not.
Like most of these women are in monogamous relationships, right?
The issue is actually the 20-year-olds are dating like men that are typically like four to five years older than them.
Like what are men typically selecting for in relationship?
Youthfulness, beauty, right?
Some level of like making him feel good.
What are women selecting for?
Stability factors.
And so in this way, women are dating the pool of men that give them the stability factors because it usually takes men a couple of years to get education and a career and like something built underneath them.
And men are selecting for the things that they want.
The issue is that like the actual problem here is that we're leaving men behind.
The issue isn't that we're like raising women up.
It's that men are disproportionately being like undereducated in school.
Primary school is horrible for young boys.
We're not giving them social scripts on how to exist.
And we're still telling young men that their only value is the amount that they can contribute to the GDP when in the reality is that like what women are looking for is men that like make them feel valuable, men that they can emotionally connect to.
So like the real issue here isn't that we're raising women up.
It's that we're leaving men behind, which I'm actually very interested in.
You know, I think men are a victim of what their surroundings, because, you know, the amount of men that have microplastics in their testicles now, seriously, you know, now the amount of estrogen.
I want to, maybe I'm just jumping the gun, but I was just thinking about, if we want to dating stuff i think maybe we'll come back to it but and the question of feminism the one thing that i really really pissed me off women won the right to vote without civic responsibility.
And so they shouldn't have the right to vote.
You can make the argument.
I feel the night's light.
I think it's fine to say women should have the right to vote.
However, we got to look at the context in the United States and that's women do not have an obligation to die in war that men do, but women can vote overwhelmingly for Democrats promoting these wars and then men are left on the hook for a war they tend not to vote for.
Number one, the vote has never actually been tied to military service.
It's typically citizenship and age are usually kind of the two main things that we've always used for voting.
I would be totally fine with us having an amendment where we add women to selective service.
I have no issue with that.
whatsoever, right?
And I think equal strokes.
The issue is that when it comes to voting, there are going to be topics that uniquely affect men and uniquely affect women.
In this case, war does uniquely affect men right now, which might be unfair.
But in the case of something like abortion, abortion and birthright control and all these sort of things, these disproportionately affect women, right?
And so when we're talking about like who gets the right to vote, is it because of like certain topics uniquely affect one gender, the other?
That's not how we've ever tied the right to vote.
It could be landowners.
It could be multiple things.
In America, though, we seem to mostly decide age and citizenship.
But the problem I have is that Democrats have been substantially more likely to vote for war, to promote war, particularly in Ukraine.
Republicans have been pressuring Trump not to be involved.
His base split over the Iran issue.
Millennial women are about 70% voting Democrat.
So you have this phenomenon in the millennial to Gen Z younger generation where women are.
disproportionately voting for a war they have no responsibility in or I should say a limited responsibility in and it's it's crazy to me that half the population can vote and the other half to die and that's equality.
So I'm a millennial woman and I am married to a veteran and both of us are very anti-war.
He is anti-war as somebody who went over there.
I think that to pin the power of the military industrial complex, which is a very powerful But I also understand that's a mischaracterization of what I said.
Okay, no, I was talking, I think I was talking more about what Myron said than what you said.
I understand also that this is like Myron's whole thing.
But so you have to say like women can't vote and then you get attention.
And you also kind of act like you invented misogyny, which you didn't.
So when I say feminism, I feel like they things like i have the right to vote i have a job i'm a participating member of society which is different than hating men so it kind of depends how you how you um well do you hate women myron I'm just more curious.
So it's interesting to me how she said, oh, yeah, this isn't something new.
Yeah, you're right.
And here's the craziest part.
They lived in other ends of the world and they still realize Asian dudes, ling, bing, ding, all the way to the fucking Muhammad's in the Middle East to the Eastern Europeans of Slav, they all knew, damn, women are stupid.
You are talking about these global things about how when women are oppressed, you know, that's been the societal trend.
And so I asked you, Modern America decided, along with a whole bunch of Western democracies, and I think you like Western civilization, but that's a bad idea.
And so the question is, why is America so great if Saudi Arabia's got this one thing so well too?
right they don't know what the they want to do they can't even decide what they want to eat let alone pick their own partners that's why the divorce rates are through the right time out and you guys admit it's hard for women to choose what to eat though cat is that true can we at least agree on that yes but it also could be all this nicotine gum i'm always sure okay i just remember that that is typically my girlfriend it is hard for women to choose what to eat i think you're 100 right about that sure but we also are like negating the fact that like some of the biggest breakthroughs in ecology science come from the humanitarian approach that women have you know dna was discovered by women.
So like, the issue is that women are decently valuable.
When we talk about women being stupid, men are stupid all the time, too.
Men are the like morons that are ending up in fucking jail all the time because they can't like stop.
say i'm on cat and and not so right side though that don't you think women are equally valuable to society though you don't think so dude if you remove sex and reproduction they provide almost nothing yeah but those are we wouldn't have life without those things so don't sure but i want to be clear about this we don't need them like here's the thing women need us we don't need them they we need them to propagate outside of the next generation that's why my point.
I said outside of reproduction.
So, like, if we want to have kids, yes, we need them, but they need us for everything.
So the reality is men bring far more value to society than women do.
The only real value they provide is reproductive value.
Because let's be honest here.
You guys don't give a fuck about what they got to say.
Nobody gives a fuck about their opinion which is their opinion isn't like isn't like the large one of some of the largest podcasts all candice owens call her daddy like some of the largest podcasts are and to be fair it doesn't it doesn't matter if you don't like them the point is that they're highly successful so maybe you guys don't like to listen to women but that doesn't mean that broader society doesn't for example take women out of the workforce you've nuked your your economy overnight it's done They contribute even if we're being mild and conservative.
Like every one of you has been to a hospital and you're probably super grateful that there's an entire help industry oriented at making sure that your ass doesn't die.
What's the morality argument i think that like feminism is morally good what does that mean uh i think what is more what does morally good mean uh in like a christian aristotelian kind of western western all of our like western systems absolutely value what real quick just define feminism sure feminism is here i always write it down so i can always cite it feminism the empowerment of women's agency and the promotion of femininity What is femininity?
Femininity would be like the emerging things that we see, nurturance, typically like empathy and kindness, all the things that we typically see in a Western society that would go, yeah, that's feminine by and large, understanding, these sorts of things.
uh contrary to them saying that they have empathy i think women have sympathy they can feel sorry and compassion for sure but when it comes to empathy especially to the masculine experience they don't have it at all all.
I would argue most women don't know what men want.
They don't know what men are interested in.
They don't know what it takes to keep a man around, which is why most girls can't even stay in a relationship long term or get married.
And let's be honest here, the reason why they're not empathetic is because there's no need to be empathetic because men approach them.
Since men approach them and they do the courting and they have to do everything up front, especially at the beginning.
um a lot of women aren't empathetic to the masculine experience because they don't have to be versus men we have to be empathetic to women otherwise we don't get laid yeah you're very empathetic to women no well here's the thing i understand you guys which is why i don't respect you so that's that's why because the reality is if you understand women there's no way you can respect them as an equal because they're inferior in almost every way well in what way does that mean in that way I don't understand why you would say that.
Yeah, literally like, But by these standards, your co-host is inferior to you in every way because he's weaker.
He doesn't exercise as much.
He's not as strong.
what the issue is.
What the issue is, on the thing, well, actually, not really.
I think I'm actually fitter than Fresh.
He's stronger than me, but I think I'm literally fitter than him.
And also when it comes to debates, I tend to do better than him in debates.
All the things that you tend to value are the things that he's inferior.
The issue is, hold on, just so it's clear.
I don't think.
I don't think that Fresh is inferior.
because I don't think that only these things matter to the value of a person.
When we talk about things like the Western civilization tradition, if you guys actually care about the American project and what this means, we have to get real about the things that are the precepts of what we believe in.
This is things like Christian theology and Aristotelian thinking.
And in these precepts, everyone assumes that there is going to be a variety of ways in which people are beneficial, but we don't typically give inferior or superior because we recognize for example that while fresh is not as strong as a debater as you he's so good at networking he's really personal he's really good at like connecting people and you value that whereas women are strong at other things we don't have to be equal but isn't there isn't there like he's like tris tris tris that's like the oldest joke that's ever been told women make sandwiches you're
I think it's great when you talk, though, because a lot of.
times people say that there's no need for feminism anymore and then people hear you talk and you're saying that you know women should all be owned by men and all these other things that that you say and they people might think differently because you're going to be a lot different new audience is going to see you thanks to me being on this panel you're welcome by the way I don't even know who this, who is this female?
She's over here all this blah, blah, but she's married, which is a male-led institution which is interesting to me so it's like she's buying into it even though she's trying to sit here and be like i'm i'm kind of like i'm i'm a feminist but at the same time i'm married blah blah it's like pick one man you you serve under a man so it's like i don't even know why she's talking so i serve under a man yeah you're married to a guy which marriage in itself is a male-led institution see not my marriage oh yeah we're equal so you wear the pants and we're equal partners in my marriage i know that's crazy that uh but but
it's the concept of equality is a lie it's not true One is always a leader.
We've been through a shit ton together, a lot of stuff together, especially recently.
And I love him very much.
He loves me very much.
And I would never have a child with somebody who didn't see me as a person.
I see a lot of posts on the internet about like the fertility problem and why aren't women having kids?
And you look at the comments and you see why maybe women don't want to have kids with it.
It ain't the women that are the problem.
A lot of the times there's a lot of problems with talking about women.
Why when I have kids and I don't not enough talk about why men aren't becoming in some cases the kind of partners that women would not would or that women would want to have a child with i did not meet someone I'd want to have a child with until I met my husband when I was 30.
But I'm going to bring it back to feminism because I think feminism is a key component in relationship breakdown.
There was a story several years ago where in New York, women in their 30s could not find men who made as much or more than they did.
And it was like a shock to the system.
All these writers, all these, these are female writers for various opinion outlets saying, why can't we find good men?
And it's, well, because they weren't attracted to guys who made less and they didn't want to be with younger guys.
So the guys were the same age asge as them who made $50,000 a year were like, I can date a 24-year-old woman, somebody who wants to have a family and is younger.
So guys are aiming for younger women, but women are being told to get jobs and have careers.
But you mentioned guys aren't stepping up.
I think this creates an inverse problem where for young men, they're either struggling to date because younger women can date older guys through dating apps or women, you know, why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?
I just think that like this is like the trade-off of agency, right?
Like agency is one of the most important things that we can have, the ability to choose, right?
Because if you don't have agency, you can't choose to do noble and good things.
You can't choose to do bad things.
And so I would agree that like when I look at the modern dating culture, first of all, the 24 year old girls are not like, I'm so ready to settle down and have kids.
They're like, these are the people you're calling whores half the time, right?
I remember, you know, last week we had this big debate on police.
And I think the shortcomings for Michael Mallis, which I respect the guy, he's a good friend, but he kept saying police were bad.
And it sounded like all he was saying was, yes, there are big problems with police and there's no alternative.
Or the system will always be bad in some way, but there is a worse.
So I look at this now and I'm like, okay, you know, I agree to a certain degree on the deontological aspect of people should have free choice.
You want to have a job, you can do it.
You want to have finances, all that's fine.
Is the end result then the genetic.
The Gen Alpha is 40 million and collapsing and there won't be any humans in the future or cities are going to start shrinking, infrastructure is going to start crumbling and we're going to go, you know, it was a moral good to make sure that we had this semblance of equality under the law.
People, when they are given choice, often choose poorly but that's not the reason we don't give them choice because if we don't give them choice they are enslaved to correct action because of necessity and that's not the world that we want to live in we want people to chose the noble thing because they are choosing to do something now here's the thing wait wait wait i see your perspective with agency i see that but we need to be honest with women the problem is that we're not honest with women right we don't tell them look if you want to pursue a career you want to make money your chances of finding a guy down the road are going to be significantly harder.
We don't tell them if you decide to be promiscuous now it's going to cost you later on.
We tell women they should be able to do whatever they want and not deal with consequences of their actions.
In other words, go ahead and be on OnlyFans and you'll still find a guy that's six foot three making $100,000 a month that's going to take you seriously it's not going to happen sure so we're not honest with women about what happens and the reason why is because women don't really deal with the consequences of their bad decisions a lot of times until it's too late at least with men if i'm a loser i have to deal with the consequences of being a loser women don't we don't tell them the truth because financially there's no incentive to tell women the truth because women are consumers so we want to tell them what sounds good so they continue to come real quick it's like how unilever owns ben and jerry's and
they own dove's real beauty campaign it's like telling all these women hey you're beautiful if you're fat by the way here's our ice cream eat more of it yeah We don't tell women the truth, which is one of my biggest problems.
So one of my biggest frustrations with feminism, as somebody who's defending feminism, which is funny because feminists really don't like me a lot of the time, is that I think that we have done a lot of infantilizing of women.
I think that infantilizing of women was a form of sexism that came with low agency.
And the issue is that women are being like, we want agency, but also.
baby us and i think that that's a bad thing the issue is that i have no issue with you saying women you should have a family it's the thing that you will come to love the most you should be uh more careful in who you're selecting i don't have any issue with this i have an issue with you taking away my rights because that takes away my agency well a lot of times we have to take your agency away so you make the right decisions that's the problem well the issue is that's not meaningful.
You already said that if they go on and they have all this career and stuff they're going to be less likely to find a man that is the consequence of their choice which they don't find out till it's too late is my point the issue is that most men who are addicted to porn don't discover how much it's fucking up their sex lives until they actually get a girlfriend and they can't decide their girlfriend that's the issue with porn addiction sure sure so wait wait hold on myron you want to ban porn do i oh man it has a lot of you dude i'm very close to Yeah, I want the nanny state, guys.
it like It's nice to have your door open on a nice, cool summer night.
You know, it feels good.
And then at three in the morning, one day a guy breaks into your house.
Yes.
Yes, you can mention that there are good systems that lead to comfortability and success, but eventually those can create security problems for your society, which creates that the ebb and flow of security states.
Exactly.
But the problems are going to get so bad that more Myrons are going to start emerging because they're going to say, crime is way too high.
Women keep voting for Democrats overwhelmingly.
And whether the reason is that women vote for Democrats, that's what they identify.
And then it's going to lead to some kind of social disorder and then an authoritarian shift.
So there's this concept, I wish I can remember what it's called, but it's this idea how essentially sometimes the advocacy, the social advocacy itself prevents the bad thing from happening.
So let me give an example.
You guys are familiar with Jordan Peterson, Bill C-16.
He was super worried about, are you guys familiar with this?
But one of his arguments for why he was doing it is he was saying this might lead to some sort of authoritarian control on free speech.
And a whole bunch of people like, especially on my side, like, you're so stupid.
The issue is that it is very likely that his advocacy against C16 is part of what informed Congress's interpretation of that bill to make it less authoritarian.
I don't have an issue with you guys saying women should be more cautious.
Women aren't being very smart.
I don't have an issue with that.
That's free speech.
And that is some of the things that will probably offset the degradation of society that you're maybe worried about.
If I agree with your worldview, what I care about is taking away rights.
Where was my generation, men and women, to be like, it is a social imperative to have a family now, sort it out.
For all the young guys, men were told, sexual liberation, you don't need to have a family, who cares, birth control and abortions in every major city.
And now, gen alpha, I don't think people realize how insane it is that the upcoming generation that are 15 years old at their oldest, there's only 40 million.
Already, and actually I'm a big fan of this part, universities are shutting down.
18 years on from the financial collapse in'07,'08, people my age didn't have any kids.
There are no 18 year olds to go to university or to start jobs.
And so companies are struggling to hire, universities are shutting down, and this is just the beginning of fertility collapse.
now if we had a society that's told men and even i'm saying even with choice they said to men guys You should strive to be the best, the strongest, the boss.
Women, choose what you want, but social pressure is be a mom, have a family, help society continue.
If that was the route we went and we still had social pressures on having kids, we wouldn't be in this fertility crisis.
But it's just to use a good example of a high income country that actually has a really strong cultural value on family.
They have a fuckload of kids.
Those people, they're all having lots and lots of kids and they're meeting the replacement level.
And so I'm not opposed.
I agree with you.
The idea that we told a bunch of young people, hey, remember how much the boomers sucked?
You shouldn't have kids.
your life will be better.
It turns out, whenever everyone's dead and dying everyone says the same thing they wish they had more family connections and they wish they spent more time with them so absolutely having kids matters but make it more affordable give them tax incentives, incentivize the behavior that we want to see, and encourage it.
Do you think a system that cannot survive, like, I don't know how to ask this question, but if a system cannot survive, does it matter in the long run?
Like, there have been very few anarchist communes that have existed as forms of government, but like Catalonia, they get crushed immediately by barbarism.
Right now, there is a first, I will point out the humor of the person on stage and that Myron doesn't have any kids right and gets and so myran loses that genetic diversity i'm waiting but if aren't we all the end result of well i got time unlike you guys but so the end that's what everyone's saying yeah i i'm really let me finish let me finish the point the end result is that liberals with these feminist sensibilities are less likely to have kids,
more likely to abort, and shockingly more likely to surgically amputate the genitals of their children than conservatives who are less feminist and more traditional.
You can do whatever the fuck you want on TV.
As long as that fertility trend continues, and it is happening, there's going to be a collapse of the feminist ideology and conservatives will take over in 50 to 60 years because there are no liberals being born uh but the issue is that like typically conservatives children go to school and then they're like wait and universities are shutting down sure and trump is gutting the department of education conservatives are winning this battle and i want to stress that they're a little sweatier though aren't they maybe pregnant but i want to stress this one point i was talking to kyla before the show on
the culture war we may not have abject victory but south park has made fun of Donald Trump.
Gen Z is the first generation in 100 years to begin shifting rightward.
And I think a a large reason, not the only reason, is fertility rates, which we saw in the 2000s among liberals at about 1.43 and conservatives 2.01, meaning in 18 years, there will be 20 or so percent more conservatives than liberals based on who their parents teach.
And again, well, so if I could just address that, sorry for talking so much, but I do want to address that point because you mentioned it already about the universities.
That's why I brought up South Park.
The cultural shift is pronounced.
The liberal woke stuff was shifted so rapidly in the course of a couple of years that when you mention universities and the cultural trends to pull conservative kids left, that's shifted dramatically.
But I think assuming something like the universities are going to go away.
Like the university institution has been around for like 2,000 years.
I don't think universities are going away.
And generally, universities tend to trend left because people who are leftward are high openness to experience.
So they tend to like things like learning and education, right?
What I think is actually more important here is has the left failed to indoctrinate within its culture a value of children?
I would just say, yeah, I think it has, right?
But one thing that I would caution you towards, right, when you write this doomsday of feminism leading to the collapse, decay of all of society, when you look at cultural trends, they're always ebbing and flowing back and forth because one side starts winning the culture war and the political war.
They get too much power.
They become kind of assholes because a lot of us are assholes with power and then the other side kind of populates and becomes more popular again, right?
And we've seen this dance back and forth between left and right winning the culture war and leading all the time.
This is kind of what democracy is.
In fact, that's the fundamentals of what democracy is.
And so I don't think that we should be looking at feminism going, this is going to lead to the death and decay of society.
We should go, what parts of it are bad?
What parts of the institutions are bad?
What things need to be corrected?
And how do we correct them?
Because so far, the miracle of the American project is pretty damn fucking good.
It's actually the best thing that's ever happened in human history, probably ever.
Give it up, an answer i think we're gonna agree to that it's pretty it is a good answer but i do want to make one point that's going on right now with washington dc is and it's not it's not you know trump focuses on dc but chicago all these big cities like the cities okay it's insane how disgusting and crime-ridden our cities have become I mean we saw a tent city on the way here and there's two questions why does the city allow this and I don't mean to forcefully remove people with no choice you can make the liberal argument of why are they not trying to help these people to solve that problem or
the conservative argument why are they allowing people to camp on their streets but uh let's yeah and we got to get to people and one thing we didn't talk about but one point i wanted to make earlier the aspect of trans people taking no seriously taking over women's space because you don't think that trans women are a threat to actual femininity or whatever.
I mean, like a trans person going into a woman's restroom.
And one thing that I would actually point out here is if you've ever seen the lines between like the male bathroom and the woman bathroom, it would be great if we were sharing the same space okay i'm actually i'm very i'm very passionate about this i'm very passionate about this sometimes the woman's bathroom is disgusting because women will not sit on the seats if we if you could just sit everyone could sit they like hover over and they like it looks like they were hula hooping and pissing all over the place it's disgusting It could just be.
Real quick, we're going to go to the audience, but there was a really funny story where this woman was an Antarctic researcher complaining about sexism because she couldn't stand up and piss in Antarctica.
And so she was insisting that the U.S. spend research dot, like the research grant money on building outhouses in the middle of Antarctica because it was sexist that men could unzip and release and she couldn't.
And she didn't think it was, she didn't want to use one of those funnels.
list right here okay guys so what we're going to do is we're going to pick some names and you're going to immediately haul ass to this side of the stage where i'm pointing we're going to have a microphone if you're good for a minute we might bring you on stage if you suck we're going to make you sit down okay so so even though they already know what else thinks about you yeah i mean you know i'm just going to be open and honest guys uh all right so our first person that we're calling is let's go from yeah yeah we are uh armon gupta where's armon gupta is armon I think I'm going to kick him off.
It's just us realizing that you guys are not equal to us and we have to be the custodians of women.
We have to protect and provide for you guys.
I'm actually very big into a traditional relationship where the man is the leader, protects and provides for his woman, and all she has to worry about is making sandwiches and taking care of the kids.
And I think that's how societies thrive for a long time.
So it's actually the contrary.
I think men need to protect women from themselves a lot of the times because i don't think women in positions of power leads to a great society So one other thing that you said earlier was that men being in power has led to a great history.
Yes.
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Do you think that the history of men being in power is flawless?
Wait, but if we just granted your evolutionary argument of development, yeah, patriarchies have been the most competitive.
And now what we're seeing is that an egalitarian society that includes women in the workforce and the right to vote are the most successful societies in modernity.
It seems like we've just continued to advance, and the next level of advancement is the inclusion of women.
You are correct about that, but they have some things in better check than we do when it comes to dealing with their women, right?
But yes, to go back to what we're saying, I think a male-led society is going to fare off a lot better than a female-led society is my point.
Everything is going to be prone to human error.
error, but I think when men are in charge, there's going to be less error.
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Do you.
Okay.
I would just say to that that.
that throughout history, you know, and you think about all of the major wars and everything, are we in a significantly different place on a world cultural scale than men-led societies?
I mean, again, my thing is I think that men are better than women in everything that matters.
And I think men need to lead society.
And I think women should be focusing on having children and families versus chasing a career.
And if we are going to allow them to go ahead and chase a career, let's at least be honest with them and let them know that this is going to come with some very serious consequences that might lead to your long-term sorrow, sadness, antidepressant medication, et cetera.
I just don't think that we're honest with women about where they stand.
But the issue is that if men are so much better than women, then how are we in this position where suddenly men are also being destroyed by society and crushed by them?
We can't have these two mutually exclusive things at the same time.
What I would actually argue is that men are stupid in a lot of stupid ways.
You guys punch things, stop doing that.
You guys masturbate all the time, stop doing that.
There are a shitload of really shitty guys, but there's a smaller amount of substantially more successful, intelligent, and strong guys than women uh this is like the hypergamy uh it's the greater male very very oh yeah i would agree like when you look at like the extreme ends of genetics right men tend to be the stupidest and the smartest right like if you look at the lowest iq individuals sorry guys it's men but when you look at the highest iq individuals it's also men right women are a lot more stable in a lot of things which is i think one of the things that
yes stable for example their bell curve is more flattened right you're not going to get the extreme ends on the right side which is good for a society let me ask you a question Is it better for a society to be led by the smartest individuals?
No, no, irrespective of virtue we have let's assume that we're aiming for virtuous people would we of the virtuous of the virtuous people we've identified we want the smartest of them well i want to answer that i would just say we have well because there's two parts of our brain there's a logical part there's a i gotta i gotta ask this question he wants to appeal to my feelings too that they're let's let's say we've we've looked at the most virtuous people in the country would we want to choose the smartest of them to be our leaders uh assuming that they're like actually qualified sure i suppose but like aptitude let's say aptitude yeah sure the
highest aptitude i just think that for the most part when it comes to leadership it's more about a prerequisite which is a really high prerequisite but then after that my point is when you look at fortune 500 compananies with or without feminism, the only way to get parity of female leaders is through force.
Well, I want to make this argument, though, and it's an oversimplification, but basically our brain has two hemispheres, right and left, and there's one that they consider more emotional and one that's more logical.
And that they say men use the logical side and women use the emotional side more.
And I would argue that if you're more emotionally intelligent, that could make up for your logical intelligence.
So even though you're not like a brainiac, a woman that has smart emotional intelligence can be just as successful.
I'm just saying, you don't agree that how that can, or I guess Myron, I mean, you don't think that that can overcome for logical intelligence, emotional intelligence?
I would just like to say, so I'm not for the infantilization of women in any capacity.
Whether that's women, I just would like it to be a level playing field in terms of some women will go out and be successful and have very successful high earning careers such as myself.
But with without needing to be like calling my dad to ask if i can a guy or whatever it is that my iron wants either side of that infantilization i'm against i'm a human being with agency if you ask your dad If I ask my dad, so because you said that before, right?
Like mating decisions.
So should I call my dad and ask if I can or should I just call my dad and ask if he has to pull out?
no no no let's see what he's got yeah what if you see this guy's drunk probably come on all right as there's obviously a fertility crisis all across the world Japan, Korea, United States, everything.
There should be certain things that need to be implemented to fix that.
But let's be honest.
Good people who do not have children collect Social Security.
Where should they be banned from getting Social Security at the end of the day?
What?
Make that a requirement for Social Security as having kids.
Amber come on down Amber Amber's a beast I'm curious to see which side she's going to take though they autographed the mustard okay I know it is see that is the thing is is Myron that's the only complaint that I really have though is that I do think it it is a nuanced situation right like women aren't all retarded and dumb you know just a lot of them my husband would agree with you but um I had a question are you religious No.
What I'm saying is that a lot of modern day women, when I talk to them and they say, one of the top questions I get with girls is, well, what do guys want?
Especially more attractive men.
And it's amazing to me that they even have to ask that because with men if we don't know what women want we just have to deal with the consequences but with women they can kind of get along in life and meet guys and date and everything without really knowing what men want.
But yeah, so my point about empathy was actually that I think the reason perhaps why you think women don't have empathy is because of these issues we're talking about with women getting married later in life and having children later in life.
The empathy is not directed towards the family unit anymore and it's actually extrapolated to outside groups, which is why we see things like tent cities and an outside focus on minority groups.
Yeah, I mean, like I said before, they can absolutely have sympathy.
But when I'm talking about empathy specifically, I'm talking about the male experience and like kind of how men go through things in life.
Like I don't think women are empathetic to the masculine experience.
Whereas like men, we have to understand women to some level if we want to be successful.
And if you look at guys that like are really good with women, like pickup artists or dating coaches or whatever, they have a very fine-tuned understanding and empathy to women because they're trying to get laid.
So they have to be able to think ahead on what the woman's going to expect, what she's going to want, the type of vibe she's going to want when it comes to, you know making something sexual so i argue that men are far more empathetic than women are especially guys that are good with women i don't think women are empathetic to men because i i i gotta disagree with that because uh you're also making the point that women aren't getting good guys because they're hypergamists And so if women are going to suffer later in life because they can't get a good guy who wants to help them have a family and be a strong protector,
that is a detriment to women by, I guess what I'm saying is women need to be empathetic to the male experience if they want to have a successful family and relationship.
Most women I've met that understand this, they come from a either a strong patriarch with a father uncle or brothers when they do have it they have like that is what i'm saying well i mean i i have a wonderful father i would say i'm very grateful to have a wonderful father and it's been such a joy to watch my husband be such a wonderful father and we're raising a little boy who's going to grow up and be a wonderful father i hope and myron i hope that someday you can be as happy in a relationship as i am in mine yo myron's going to have a daughter and
Well, I do want to say, though, that you are a female comedian very successful in a male dominated industry yeah wouldn't you give a lot of credit to having a strong father i give a credit to having a strong father every single day i talk to my dad every day i am so grateful so grateful to have the father that i have and i think that men that are as wonderful as my father deserve all the credit in the world is he is he funny He is funny.
I think that's a lot of, even in like the black community, obviously, I think it's a lot of the broken home situations, Myron, that there's actually a lot of examples where black guys have both parents there and they're incredibly successful.
So I think that, you know, the way that people are brought up, the patriarchy or whatever you want to call it, is very important to their, you know, well, yeah., I always say that strong dads keep daughters off shirt poles and sons out of jail.
But isn't part of the issue that we're outlining here that you're saying is that society doesn't have empathy towards men, which I would actually just agree with.
There's really good research on this, actually.
If you look at like the age at which we view boys becoming men, it almost completely overlaps with the spike of suicide rates amongst young boys, which is about the age of 14.
So I would actually wholly agree with you that society doesn't have like empathy for men in any way, shape, or form, right?
And we have this kind of weird infantilized empathy for women that I think is actually harmful to them in a lot of way because it robs them of a lot of their agency.
But when you're saying like it's women that don't have empathy for men, I feel you're actually missing like 50% of the pie when it's society.
Nobody cares about men.
They don't care that you're struggling.
They don't care that you're lonely.
They think your tears are gross.
And I think that that's a horrible state.
But I don't think that this is a woman driven thing.
I want to say this point to the infantilization of women.
I think that it's very obvious though that women's social power only goes down with age as men's go up.
So it's directly inverse.
you would want to infantilize a woman because her value is more when she's younger so she would want to skew and tend to be more young i'm sure i just i think we should only infantilize children.
I think you're right as to why we oftentimes systemically infantilize women more.
I just think it's harmful to both women and to men because it leads to this really weird disjunct where if a woman is sexually aggressive with a man, people are like, he probably loved it.
what if a man does the same thing towards the same age woman role?
Yeah, I mean, again, I'm not sitting here trying to feel sad, but I'm just saying like this is just the honest reality when it comes to like how women deal with men and how men deal with women like men have to understand women whereas women don't really have to understand men to be able to get the same access right But if they understood women better, they'd probably have longer marriages and women would be leaving them less often, I'm assuming, right?
Because women cite the same reasons over and over for why they end the marriages, even though I would argue to women, like there should probably be more.
up that that's usually why women leave men yeah i i have a stupid uninformed hypothesis where i think women will average at a slight state of discontent relative to men and the reason why i think that might be is that imagine there's there's two uh tribal you know plains savannah dwelling humans two tribes and in one the woman is always content with what is so the guy comes back and says hey i caught us some fish we have food for the day and she goes that's perfect The other woman in the other tribe is,
no matter what happens, she's always a little unhappy and demanding more of the man.
So he says, I brought enough fish for food.
And she goes, why am I only getting two fish?
This is bullshit.
I want three fish.
And it goes, okay, I'll go get you more fish.
Geez, calm down.
One day there's a famine.
The woman who is always complaining has more and survives.
And the woman who is content does not.
This is not to dig on women.
I'm saying that women are demanding of their men because they want to survive.
That's only true that when women earn more than their male partners, that it's a problem for the relationship.
If the male has a very traditional view of masculinity, and she does too, the moment that you remove a traditional view of masculinity, where, for example, the woman goes like, I'm the breadwinner, and that's totally fine with me, suddenly the relationship's completely balanced out.
So I want to focus this one on third-wave feminism specifically and what I think the underlying issue is because I'm not myering.
I'm not arguing for women to not get the right to vote, et cetera.
But if we look at third-wave feminism, I think one of the distinct problems with it is that it's not that women should shouldn't be considered equal to men.
It's that third wave feminism pushed the message that men and women were the same.
Do you want to just make your point and then ask a question?
What do you say?
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So we have a lot of consumerism and technologies nowadays that I think enable feminism.
Do you think that a time when they didn't have paper towels or a washing machine or all of these other things that women used to do, were they oppressed in that role taking care of a house?
I think essentially that when you take away people's political rights, you are robbing them of agency, which I think is inherently oppressive.
I think stealing people's ability to make choices is bad.
And most importantly, you can see this, for example, when you look at Sparks.
spartan women versus athenian women spartan women were actually like expected to manage the household because spartans thought it was gay for men to like touch money basically um which is funny but um spartan women as a result were able to negotiate a lot more things like uh better wages better like uh marital care better uh maternity leave, whereas Athenian women were basically like rejected from society.
and as a result they were entirely powerless.
So yes, not having any political power or agency diminishes your ability and does create a system.
they have cartridges until the eighteen hundreds so if you're late if you're late 1700s it was not oppression they said a woman can't be in this role it was the physical impossibility of it it was both right like but the other thing too is they would even say she like invented something there's some superpower woman who could theoretically maintain the same but it's but it she wasn't allowed but the but the issue is you're not likely to see a woman you know manually tilling fields with pickaxes.
I never said I would i want women in the 1800s to chop lumber now that we have automatic lumber splitters it's not a big deal to have women doing that job they weren't oppressing women by saying no we're gonna have a guy chop lumber i'll just say my opinion again because i don't think you're engaging with it i'm not saying that women were oppressed in the 1800s because they weren't lumberjacks i'm saying women were oppressed because they didn't have the option to be anything but homemakers and own private property that's why they were oppressed i think she makes a good option okay all right go sit down joe i don't think that is that great jory brooks jory brooks is jory brooks here come on down Am I saying that right, Jory?
Well, again, in that regard, we really got to make sure you guys can't vote but yeah other than that that's the question that's the question yeah yeah so no when it comes to voting we just don't let them in they're like oh i'm here to vote lol and then tell them to go home real quick real you know what i mean it's just simple like we want to take away the right that's two and a half okay that was my biggest question would you guys would you guys agree like that women should uh women should have to uh sign a prospective service same as men uh that or nobody has to sign yeah i don't believe in a draft at all so then so
right so either remove it completely or women have to do it i think equity would be fine there yeah you know i'll be i don't think women should be in cops i don't think they should be in the military i don't think they should be doing anything he wants to take away women's rights caught because they shoot people.
As in right now when you have, I'll just give an example, the feminist movement being tied with transgenderism and all these other sorts of things that is more left-wing and just more collectivist mindset.
Real quick, but aren't we, wait, with the trans movement, wouldn't, and I'm not, you know, social scientist, but aren't we almost in fourth-wave feminism?
So I like that you asked that because a lot of people say that all the time.
Iron, you're in Miami.
You're around a bunch of bimbos, blah, blah, blah.
So the reality is.
Yeah.
Well, here's the thing.
I brought girls on.
We actually keep data.
We bring girls on that are have PhDs, master's degrees, educated with bachelor's degrees, all different types of job fields.
And, you know, I've still noticed some like very interesting similarities despite education level, cultural background, et cetera, with the women.
So my thing is unfortunately almost all women well damn near 99 of women are all very hypergamous and what I tell guys is the reason why they need to rise up and make more money and get in the gym and just be the best they can be is because women's standards have went up and since women's standards have went up most guys don't qualify and I think for any guy to be able to relationship where they can like make it last and have their girl be somewhat satisfied is they have to be the best version of herself because women are pickier now than ever before thanks to feminism.
So, and not only that, but like women are encouraged to get the best they can.
So my thing isn't necessarily that I'm around lower quality women, you would say.
It's just that I'm around a lot of different types of women from different walks of life.
And I would argue the hotter the girl the more hypergamists they're going to be because they can be i i would argue though you you may be personally trying to find an eclectic bunch but you're not going to church right are you are you going to churches to have these debates well here's the thing we bring a lot of girls that are religious too on the podcast and and you find they're all the same no he does bring a lot more church going we've we brought girls in that are religious too i mean religious girls are going to want they're going to want a guy that's more traditional so like the the point is this The guy needs to be a complete package is my argument nowadays.
Like you can't be an average guy nowadays and still be able to, you know, get a girl or a woman to truly submit to.
Before, like, you know, you had the church, you had social shame, you had stigmas with women behaving and acting in a way to, you know, effectuate their hypergamy.
But these guardrails are gone now.
So like women can literally do whatever they want.
Part of the reason why historically men weren't't spreading their seed as they were dying in the mines and they were dying in war because the way that society dealt with what we call like the young male syndrome, which is a real issue of young men that don't have mates because typically young men don't actually get mates because you guys are immature and have to grow up a little bit.
This has always been historically true.
This is absolutely true.
This is what war has fed because a major issue in all nation states when they were beginning, you can go back to like the 700s, is the question of the young male issue.
Young men are more violent, more aggressive, and stupid.
And you guys often have to get shipped off to bad places.
Now, I love the Western civilization where we don't do that to young men because I think that's fucked up.
No, we don't.
We don't killing off men in the numbers that were regulated in history.
I just want to make one point additionally because I was talking about collectivism a moment ago.
And I feel like with Myron saying like all men, all women, and just coming at your audience with that narrative, it leaves out the traditional view, kind of like Tim was saying of I'm 23 and I meet someone and do this and you grow with that person together like I was with my husband while I was going through college yeah that's great I mean if you're right that's the rule okay but we know you have a selection bias by right your 23 year old girls are not going to be selected no I'm sorry this is just not true like when you look at
dating typically women are going to date people within their economic within their economic underage bracket the reason why your dad's real quick Utsov Utsov Sandusa Sandusa The reason why your show has such a bad selection bias is because most women don't want to go on to get bullied by the audience forever.
However, if you have an only fans you absolutely want to go on whatever and your show to promote it so you just do have a selection by the women who tend to write articles for large publications are single and childless true and so the media that's going out to women at the high at the more affluent level tends to be feminist childless i would actually argue most like third wave feminism underserved most women as well in fact it only benefited women like myself or maybe cowardly women are bad all right what do you have nuanced i hate myrons me your favorite uh we debated in the next while
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back uh so he's your favorite What's that, man?
Yo, brother.
God bless you.
Asla Malikum.
So, I know you're an Islamist, allegedly.
My question is very straightforward.
In the age of AI, does it really matter if it's a male versus female debate?
You're the biggest threat, you stupid Indian with your DEI bullshit.
I'm not worried about some damn AI taking my job.
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I'm worried about you desens coming over here and making chicken chicken masala in the damn company microwave and stinking up the whole place like curry.
So let me AI didn't know how to use a microwave.
So let me tell you my favorite friend who is a I love you.
Hey, the guy with the backwards hat, the guy, he was here last time.
were you the one shouting you want to say something for a minute yeah I know this guy he's a good guy I like T-Bone.
I could beat him.
Yeah, T-Bone's funny.
All right, T-Bone, what do you got for us?
unidentified
All right, hey guys, let's go DC.
Thank you so much, Tim.
This is a great event.
So my question, you guys were talking about it earlier about the uh um women in military and such so uh kyle you were actually saying that you uh want women in the military for the for the draft myron you were saying that you kind of don't want women in the military so kyle you say that you want them i said uh they either are part of the selective draft or they're not it should be equal between men and women so if they were supposed to go into the draft what exactly would you want them to do like would you want them to be a nurse a mechanic or would you want them to
city sucks so don't come back don't ever come i'm trying to leave too it's horrible anyways There are 70 Muslim countries in the world, maybe a little bit more.
How do you, this is for the feminists on the side.
Do you think that, do you think that those men are going to respect women leaders look at the countries like germany not a great country uh it's a beautiful country but not great look at england which is like every muhammadan so because they're submissive to these muslim nations what do you think uh is the best you know do you think that women are going to be respected by these men leaders in muslim countries because you know what they're going to respect the f-15 drive the f-15 that's what they're going to respect so i'm not super worried about it the american military is the most predominant thing on the planet and
the reality is that whoever is wearing the american name they're going to respect i i i i i i think we got to be honest come on like if kamala tried to negotiate with saudi arabia i don't know what to tell you but who's the major after she visited like Like, come on, man.
The reality is that like our economic ties are so strong with these countries and the military.
Like, yeah, they'd probably like behind the scenes be like, man, fuck that bitch.
She's a stupid woman.
The issue is that it's still America that they have to negotiate with and they're going to care.
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Not just here, but I'm talking about other countries.
There are many countries in the world.
There's 207 countries in the world and a few of them are ran by women.
But do you think the men in these Muslim countries are going to respect these women as leaders?
That was a great joke that you had earlier where you pointed out that it it is actually gay to handle money the Spartans that wasn't a joke I was talking about Spartans and how they did yes yes the Spartans were right about that it's gay to handle money but it's not gay to Okay, not gate a wrestler you bro in Greece.
Myron, can we talk about the great uncucking of Alex Stein who up to a few months ago until he decided to lose weight was a complete grotty unfuckable who no one would want to be sure I got you in that puppet no no no you abusive bitch I am No, no one would even get a fucking right, but I was fucking when I was fat.
Most people, I think they sucked equally in different ways.
And this is actually more of a robot question because I'm not going to get into the full details of what happened, but basically a robot stole money from me.
And it was, and everybody looked, bro, it was a room full of managers with their thumbs up their asses being like, there's nothing we can do because the robot said so.
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about so both men and women equally had their thumbs up their asses okay i was curious i also wanted to push back on something that myron said about please because that yeah let's talk about something interesting not tim's gambling addiction let's talk about hey come on sorry sorry tim um you know just about women not knowing what they want i wanted to push back on them and say i do know what i want and it's not that okay um pretty sure like i don't want to hear that i'm stupid and weak and things like i'm having a hard time understanding how you're so
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good at empathy when you know yeah women don't tend to like the truth which is fine uh no big deal.
Like, and in the same way that like men like to fantasize about like fucking like magical like troll girls like yes we all fantasize about weird stupid right the issue is that like you know in the case of like my marriage okay yeah my husband is my leader and i respect him but part of why i feel that way towards nick is because he respects me he cares about me when we disagree and it comes to like who's going to be right i know that like nine times out of ten he like has my best interest in mind it's not just because he's like this male superior and if you're like a lot of these men be like yeah men do need to know
he is superior but then you're also like you're deferring to his authority see women don't want to acknowledge the fact that you can't just want the guy that can tell them what to do and can make the decision women want to sit there and be like oh well we're equal but, but in reality, when push comes to shove, they want to be able to fulfill their role.
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Well, the issue, Myron, is that I'm able to look at the issue that we're all talking about.
Like for my marriage, it's, I'm basically in charge of externalities.
Who's in charge of intern internality, like internal issues.
So when it comes to what she needs for the baby, what she needs for the house, where we're going on vacation, who we're seeing for holidays, I just say, you know what?
I have no idea.
That's up to you.
But when it comes to calling lawyers, dealing with bullshit, getting shit done, I'm going to go and fight.
You know, I put on this.
I'm going to fight the grizzly bear if it shows up with my bare hands and then die.
That's how it is now you have to fight with all of science and dad Which is inferior how come what it is.
How come whenever there's a polycule the woman's always like fat and the guys are all weird looking I've seen a lot of polycules that are like one man two women and everyone's kind of hot The ones we see online.
It's always like some big fat chick with three fat guys Yeah, it turns out and it's not everything you see online is real say that there's a huge difference There's a huge difference between being assertive and being a leader and just calling women stupid and hoes over and over again.
If anything, that's weak and it's really kind of boring well i and this is i'm not even trying to or it's like who's that who's that chick on the youtube channel where all she does say women's things.
front of a woman is when your dog dies yeah that's it nothing else yeah your dog dies you can cry but go cry in the bathroom all right wait stay up here angela but tiani is that tiani is tiani here maybe we can get in one more female before the end of the night give it up for tiani come on down i hope you got something good you got one minute you got the bold lib Myron Gaines, Cat Tam, and Natsu Uradite.
What do you got for us?
unidentified
Okay.
So if we as a society want to get back to traditional values and a strong nuclear family, how are we supposed to do that when we lack strong male role models in the public eye, especially when we've got public figures with strong influence amongst young men and boys who are constantly like criticizing 304s, but like bragging about.
Well, I think what we tell guys, you know, if you watch the content, we talk a lot about self-improvement, going to the gym, understanding that, you know, you got to be the best version of yourself.
And then, you know, obviously pursue the women after you become that complete package.
Because nowadays, with the way hypergamy is, women don't want average men anymore.
We're very vocal about that.
I think people only look at the content of me debating, you know women or whatever They don't look at all the self-improvement content I put out on you know improving your credit real estate investing getting in the gym and Yes, and how do you control everything?
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I don't agree with you like having that to women But like because because I know that you believe in like a strong father figure and yes and traditional values But you just don't practice that so I'm that that's what here's the thing No, no, no, here's the thing I what I teach guys is you need to get a position where you choose what you want to do
have 10 girlfriends you can if you want to go ahead and be a monogamous guy and live a certain lifestyle you can do that too but the point is that guy needs to get to a position where he can make that choice if you had a daughter daughter, I'd have, I mean, would you be okay with her being with a man that has 10 different women?
Yes.
And I'll tell you why because that's, that's, that's reality, right?
Because like, this is, this is the ugly part that women don't like to understand.
men a girl a lot of the times especially if she's attractive to some degree has probably dated an nba player or met with a celebrity or whatever women what percentage of women do you think are met or dated have way more sexual access to men than men have to women so what i'm saying is that that uh that shapes the way they view men that shapes how they that what they think they deserve that shapes their worldview a lot of the times if a girl dates an nba player she's going to think damn I qualify for this level of guy.
Average men are no longer worth it because women have a perpetual mindset of the grass is greener on the other side.
So that's what I'm trying to say.
So my thing is I tell guys, be the grass on the other side that's greener.
Be the more attractive guy because it's going to be extremelyely competitive for you.
And then I want the guy to be able to decide what he wants to do.
You want to be monogamous in a Christian relationship, fantastic.
Go do it.
You want to go ahead and have a bunch of girls?
Go do it.
My thing is I want men to have the choice, not women, because women have the choice.
With second wave feminism, women were encouraged to get jobs and have careers, and that's a great thing that they had that option.
But due to that, the workforce was doubled overnight.
That caused more workers competing for jobs, driving down overall wages.
That led to the standard of dual-income households, making it nearly impossible for a sole breadwinner to own a home or raise a family.
Do we think, do y'all believe that coupled with modern feminism promoting long-term relationships or marriages, that it has all ultimately led to the economic struggles that we as young people are facing today.
Not only is it inevitable that women are going to enter the workforce, it was necessary because you have to compete as an economy at a global market.
And it's very, very important that your GDP is globally competitive.
If everyone else lets women enter into the workforce, which inevitably is going to happen if you're globally competing, increasing your labor product by 50% is an explosion when it comes to economic momentum, things like productivity.
The reality is that women being in the workforce is a major part of what has led to the American predominance of the economy.
It's just going to be a good thing.
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At the planes crashing, it's not at the cost of of your children.
I am here because my husband, Eric McCartney, watches y'all show.
I yell at him like we need a date night and he watches y'all shit.
This is our fucking date night.
Yeah, the man's making the decisions obviously.
Dead ass, dead ass.
I'm a supportive woman, okay?
We've raised nine children between us.
Yours, mine, ours, and theirs.
Three biological, okay?
I understand what y'all saying.
Yes, women, we deserve a right to go to work.
We own our house because I worked hard enough to buy it myself, but we cannot be legally married because America no longer supports family fucking households.
First off, let me say I'm not wearing a spicy vest.
The American left has been getting pretty cozy with Muslim and Islam culture, and that seems to be in direct conflict with their pet issues of feminism and LGBT.
As a center-right-leaning transsexual myself, I am concerned about the mainstreaming of Islam and eventually Sharia law in this country.
And to tie it back into today's theme, I would imagine feminists would have similar feelings.
How does this conflict work itself out?
I feel that the left is just using feminism and LGBT as disposable weapons, useful only when they align with their political goals.
