Has Feminism Destroyed The West? Myron Gaines vs Kat Timpf w/ Alex Stein & Tim Pool
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If you want to talk about destroying the family, the dating marketplace, the way women view men in general, there's so many different problems that have come from feminism, and it's a multi-pronged issue, depending on whichever sex you want.
unidentified
Name one.
I mean, we can start with dating, right?
So these bitches are too entitled.
If I'm going to be honest, you know, their expectations are far too high for what they bring to the table.
They're fairly delusional thanks to, you know, social media, dating apps, et cetera, where, you know, simps are blowing smoke up their ass all the time.
And what's happened is women have a very unrealistic standard on what they think they deserve versus what's out there.
And if they do find that guy, they think that that guy should kind of bend to their women.
I mean, they're still, you know, having sex with a smaller portion of the men, but they're still getting a high body count because there's a lot of these guys.
So what ends up happening is a lot of girls end up being Eskimo sisters, a lot of other women because they're all smashing the same, you know, minority of men.
unidentified
You know, and this gets, especially like in major cities like in Miami, for example, right?
Like the girls that are going out and doing things and whatever, they're hooking up with the same small percentage of guys all the time.
Well, look, I don't have a problem with women, you know, aspiring to go to school and everything else like that.
My thing is, I think we just need to be honest with them.
If you're going to go ahead and pursue a career in higher education, your chances of finding a man are going to drop off precipitously because your standards go up as you increase your income, your status, because women are hypergamous.
There was that graph that went viral that people are basically becoming needs, men and women.
They're less conscientious.
They're more neurotic.
They're less agreeable.
They're isolating themselves.
I don't know if that's a product of feminism, but what I can say is right now the current system is not conducive to happy relationships between either men and women.
I think that the way that our society has oriented itself, where it's like obsession over money and working and like the betrayal of like family and connection relationship is harming everyone.
unidentified
I don't think that this is a unique like woman problem or man problem.
When we're talking about like the loneliness epidemic, it's mostly a male-skewed issue.
In the Pew Research, men between the ages of like 18 to 25, 61% of them, I think, hadn't even dated before.
Whereas I think it was only like 30% of young women.
does that prove my response sort of i mean is women are getting but the men are not That means the women are dating all the same guys.
And so in this way, women are dating the pool of men that give them the stability factors because it usually takes men a couple of years to get education and a career and like something built underneath them.
And men are selecting for the things that they want.
So women do have a staked interest now in how a man looks and how he conveys himself as well, since they handle the provisioning part themselves.
So it's made women more selective, but that's kind of come at their dismay because now it's harder to find that guy that is a total package with everything.
unidentified
Sure.
The issue is that like the actual problem here is that we're leaving men behind.
The issue isn't that we're like raising women up.
It's that men are disproportionately being like undereducated in school.
And so like the real issue here isn't that we're raising women up.
unidentified
It's that we're leaving men behind, which I'm actually very interested in.
I want to make this one point, though, you know, I think men are a victim of what their surroundings, because, you know, the amount of men that have microplastics in their testicles now, seriously, you know, now the amount of estrogen.
You're getting some right now.
Exactly.
So I'm saying, don't we?
Men now have higher estrogen levels than ever in recorded history.
So I feel like that is kind of why the men are, I guess, you know, coming in second place if we talk about the problem.
But and the question of feminism, the one thing that I really, really pisses me off, women won the right to vote without civic responsibility.
unidentified
And so they shouldn't be able to have the right to vote.
You can make the argument.
Rebuild the 19th.
I think it's fine to say women should have the right to vote.
However, we got to look at the context in the United States, and that's women do not have an obligation to die in war that men do, but women can vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, promoting these wars, and then men are left on the hook for a war they tend not to vote for.
The issue is that when it comes to voting, there are going to be topics that uniquely affect men and uniquely affect women.
In this case, war does uniquely affect men right now, which might be unfair.
But in the case of something like abortion, abortion and birthright control and all these sort of things, these disproportionately affect women, right?
And so when we're talking about like who gets the right to vote, is it because of like certain topics uniquely affect one gender another?
That's not how we've ever tied the right to vote.
It could be land owners.
It could be multiple things.
In America, though, we seem to mostly decide age and citizenship.
But the problem I have is that Democrats have been substantially more likely to vote for war to promote war, particularly in Ukraine.
unidentified
Republicans have been pressuring Trump not to be involved.
His base split over the Iran issue.
Millennial women are about 70% voting Democrat.
So you have this phenomenon in the millennial to Gen Z younger generation where women are disproportionately voting for a war they have no responsibility in, or I should say a limited responsibility in.
And it's crazy to me that half the population can vote and sent the other half to die.
And that's equality.
So I'm a millennial woman, and I am married to a veteran, and both of us are very anti-war.
He is anti-war as somebody who went over there.
I think that to pin the power of the military-industrial complex, which is a very powerful, powerful force, on women being able to vote is wild.
But I also understand.
I understand that that's a mischaracterization of what I said.
Okay, no, I was talking, I think I was talking more about what Myron said than what you said.
I understand also that this is like Myron's whole thing.
But so you have to say like women can't vote and then you get attention.
And you also kind of act like you invented misogyny, which you didn't.
Like it's been around for a very long time.
These are not hot takes.
These are like very old archaic.
But he is in the top 10, right?
Well, because he goes really hard and he gets a lot of attention for it.
And then there are these men, sadly, who listen to you who I think are lonely.
And I love men.
I'm not somebody who, I'm not like a man-hating woman.
I love men.
And I think that a lot of men have been left behind in a lot of ways.
And I understand that.
But I don't think that blaming all of your problems, if you do blame all your problems on women, then that could be the reason why you don't have one.
I want another group of people that Myron blames his problems on.
It's not women.
I want to let Myron respond, but I guess I want to pose this question.
Everyone from, since ancient times, knew that women are need to make them second-class citizens.
unidentified
Here's the craziest part.
They lived in other ends of the world and they still realize the Asian dudes, ling, bing, ding, all the way to the fucking Muhammads in the Middle East to the Eastern Europeans of Slav.
They all knew, damn, women are stupid.
We need to go ahead and put them in the kitchen.
Now they're out the kitchen.
What's going on?
Which civilization, which civilization of all the ones that you listed do you like the most?
Do you like modern America or do you like Saudi Arabia or do you like ancient Japan?
Which one do you like the most?
Well, look, I like any society that has women under control.
And right now we don't, which is why shit is fucked up.
You were talking about these global things about how when women are oppressed, you know, that's been the societal trend.
unidentified
And so I asked you, Modern America decided, along with a whole bunch of Western democracies, and I think you like Western civilization, that that's a bad idea.
And so the question is, why is America so great if Saudi Arabia has got this one thing so well?
Like, shouldn't that be the greatest?
Well, you could be better in different ways, right?
So Muslim theocracies got it.
No, I didn't say that.
What I'm saying is, here's the problem, right?
When you have women having too much power, it creates a lot of issues because women are communitarian by nature, right?
They don't know what the fuck they want to do.
They can't even decide what they want to eat, let alone pick their own partners.
That's why the divorce rates are through the fucking.
But women are usually taking social jobs like teachers and nurses and stuff like that.
unidentified
Yeah, we need those jobs.
We do, but we need oil petroleum engineers more.
I would disagree.
We need to raise our children.
I would like literate children.
Public schools are shit.
But we should still be teaching our kids.
We want our kids to be literate.
I agree.
And I think nurses.
We have to be great teachers, right?
Like every one of you has been to a hospital, and you're probably super grateful that there's an entire health industry oriented at making sure that your ass doesn't die.
Especially a lot of your fat asses don't die.
Indeed.
Yeah.
Oh, you can't.
I can feel the tension.
I was just going to say, I do want to say thank you guys for being here.
Give yourselves a round of applause.
Seriously.
And this is our third time doing it here.
And I have to say that last week was a little tinged with Michael Malas, but you can feel the tension up here.
I kind of like this debate.
And we want to encourage you guys to all come up, whatever you guys, whether you have a question or debate topic, it's no holds bar.
Femininity would be like the emergent things that we see.
unidentified
Nurturance, typically like empathy and kindness, all the things that we typically see in a Western society that would go, yeah, that's feminine by and large.
Understanding, these sorts of things.
Think things they identify as feminine as femininity?
I would argue most women don't know what men want.
They don't know what men are interested in.
unidentified
They don't know what it takes to keep a man around, which is why most girls can't even stay in a relationship long term or get married.
And let's be honest here, the reason why they're not empathetic is because there's no need to be empathetic because men approach them.
Since men approach them and they do the courting and they have to do everything up front, especially at the beginning, a lot of women aren't empathetic to the masculine experience because they don't have to be.
I understand you guys, which is why I don't respect you.
So that's why, because the reality is, if you understand women, there's no way you can respect them as an equal because they're inferior in almost every way.
I don't think, I don't think that Fresh is inferior because I don't think that only these things matter to the value of a person.
When we talk about things like the Western civilization tradition, if you guys actually care about the American project and what this means, we have to get real about the things that are the precepts of what we believe in.
This is things like Christian theology and Aristotelian thinking.
And in these precepts, everyone assumes that there is going to be a variety of ways in which people are beneficial.
But we don't typically give inferior or superior because we recognize, for example, that while Fresh is not as strong as a debater as you, he's so good at networking.
He's really personable.
He's really good at like connecting people and you value that.
So it's like she's buying into it, even though she's trying to sit here and be like, I'm kind of like, I'm a feminist, but at the same time, I'm married, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, pick one, man.
unidentified
You serve under a man.
So it's like, I don't even know why she's talking.
I serve under a man.
Yeah, you're married to a guy, which marriage in itself is a male-led institution.
There's a lot of problems with talking about women, why don't women want to have kids and not enough talk about why men aren't becoming, in some cases, the kind of partners that women would not or that women would want to have a child with.
I did not meet someone I'd want to have a child with until I met my husband when I was 30.
So the guys who are the same age as them, who made $50,000 a year, were like, I can date a 24-year-old woman, somebody who wants to have a family and is younger.
unidentified
So guys are aiming for younger women, but women are being told to get jobs and have careers.
I think this creates an inverse problem where for young men, they're either struggling to date because younger women can date older guys through dating apps or women, you know, why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?
If you know what I mean.
Like you can have sex without like.
These guys who are young are like, I don't need a job.
I don't need status.
Cause if I go to the club and spend 15 bucks on booze, I get laid.
Yeah, I mean, I agree.
I just think that like this is like the trade-off of agency, right?
Like agency is one of the most important things that we can have, the ability to choose, right?
Because if you don't have agency, you can't choose to do noble and good things.
And so I would agree that like when I look at the modern dating culture, first of all, the 24-year-old girls are not like, I'm so ready to settle down and have husbands.
I remember, you know, last week we had this big debate on police.
unidentified
And I think the shortcomings for Michael Malice, which I respect the guy, he's a good friend, but he kept saying police were bad.
And it sounded like all he was saying was, yes, there are big problems with police and there's no alternative or the system will always be bad in some way, but there is a worse.
So I look at this now and I'm like, okay, you know, I agree to a certain degree on the deontological aspect of people should have free choice.
You want to have a job, you can do it.
You want to have finances, all that's fine.
Is the end result then that Gen Alpha is 40 million and collapsing and there won't be any humans in the future or cities are going to start shrinking.
Infrastructure is going to start crumbling and we're going to go, you know, it was a moral good to make sure that we had this semblance of equality under the law and then society was destroyed by it.
Well, equity of agency does mean bad outcomes sometimes.
People, when they are given choice, often choose poorly, but that's not the reason we don't give them choice.
Because if we don't give them choice, they are enslaved to correct action because of necessity.
And that's not the world that we want to live in.
We want people to choose the noble thing because they are choosing to do so.
unidentified
Now, here's the thing.
Wait, wait, wait.
I see your perspective with agency.
I see that.
But we need to be honest with women.
The problem is that we're not honest with women, right?
We don't tell them, look, if you want to pursue a career, you want to make money, your chances of finding a guy down the road are going to be significantly harder.
So one of my biggest frustrations with feminism, as somebody who's defending feminism, which is funny because feminists really don't like me a lot of the time, is that I think that we have done a lot of infantilizing of women.
unidentified
I think that infantilizing of women was a form of sexism that came with low agency.
And the issue is that women are being like, we want agency, but also babyists.
And I think that that's a bad thing.
The issue is that I have no issue with you saying, women, you should have a family.
It's the thing that you will come to love the most.
You should be more careful in who you're selecting.
I don't have any issue with this.
I have an issue with you taking away my rights because that takes away my agency.
Well, a lot of times we have to take your agency away so you make the right decisions.
The issue is that most men are addicted to porn, don't discover how much it's fucking up their sex lives until they actually get a girlfriend and they can't decide their girlfriend.
It values your ability to make choices, including bad choices.
unidentified
So let me ask you, is it like, it's nice to have your door open on a nice, cool summer night?
You know?
It feels good.
And then at three in the morning, one day a guy breaks into your house.
Yes, you can mention that there are good systems that lead to comfortability and success, but eventually those can create security problems for your society, which creates the ebb and flow of security states.
Exactly.
The problems are going to get so bad that more Myrons are going to start emerging because they're going to say, crime is way too high.
Women keep voting for Democrats overwhelmingly, and whether that's whether the reason is that women voted for Democrats, that's what they identify, and then it's going to lead to some kind of social disorder and then an authoritarian shift.
I wish I could remember what it's called, but it's this idea how essentially sometimes the advocacy, the social advocacy itself prevents the bad thing from happening.
So let me give an example.
You guys are familiar with Jordan Peterson, Bill C-16.
He was super worried about, are you guys familiar with this?
The issue is that it is very likely that his advocacy against C-16 is part of what informed Congress's interpretation of that bill to make it less authoritarian.
I don't have an issue with you guys saying women should be more cautious.
If a system of open and free choice would ultimately, would ultimately lead to the end of civilization, human death and extinction, is it a good system?
unidentified
Nope.
But I don't think that that's the system that we have.
For all the young guys, men were told sexual liberation, you don't need to have a family, who cares, birth control and abortions in every major city.
unidentified
And now, Gen Alpha, I don't think people realize how insane it is that the upcoming generation that are 15 years old at their oldest, there's only 40 million already.
Now, if we had a society that told men, and even, and I'm saying even with choice, they said to men, guys, you should strive to be the best, the strongest, the boss.
Women, choose what you want, but social pressure is be a mom, have a family, help society continue.
unidentified
If that was the route we went and we still had social pressures on having kids, we wouldn't be in this fertility crisis.
Do you think a system that cannot survive, like, I don't know how to ask this question, but if a system cannot survive, does it matter in the long run?
Like, there have been very few anarchist communes that have existed as forms of government, like Catalonia.
The point I'm making is right now, there is a first, I will point out the humor of the person on stage and that Myron doesn't have any kids.
unidentified
Right.
And Kat does.
And so Myron loses that genetic debate.
I'm waiting.
But if the end result of this is- Well, I got time on like you guys.
But so the end result.
That's what everyone's saying.
Yeah, I think.
Let me finish.
Let me finish this point.
The end result is that liberals with these feminist sensibilities are less likely to have kids, more likely to abort, and shockingly more likely to surgically amputate the genitals of their children than conservatives who are less feminist and more traditional.
You can do whatever the fuck you want on TV as long as that fertility trend continues and it is happening.
There's going to be a collapse of the feminist ideology and conservatives will take over in 50 to 60 years because there are no liberals being born.
But the issue is that like typically conservatives children go to school and then they're like, wait.
And universities are shutting down.
Sure.
And Trump is gutting the Department of Education.
Conservatives are winning this battle.
And I want to stress this one.
Tim, I want to stress a little sweatier, though, aren't they?
But I want to stress this one point.
I was talking to Kyla before the show.
On the culture war, we may not have abject victory, but South Park has made fun of Donald Trump.
It's because he's gay and they called him a f ⁇ ing.
unidentified
When South Park says to mainstream liberals, Trump is bad and it's because he's gay, and that's what they're making fun of, that's a cultural shift so far to the right, it is shocking in a short period of time.
I mean, I would just argue it's a shift towards the center.
Like most libertarians.
Sure.
And as an edgy liberal, I've always been for like free speech and language.
Gen Z is the first generation in 100 years to begin shifting rightward.
unidentified
And I think a large reason, not the only reason, is fertility rates, which we saw in the 2000s among liberals at about 1.43 and conservatives 2.01, meaning in 18 years, there will be 20 or so percent more conservatives than liberals based on who their parents teach them.
Again, but that's assuming that these people don't over time shift back leftwards, right?
And I think if I could just resign a little bit, I want to address that.
Sorry, sorry for talking so much, but I just want to address that point because you mentioned it already about the universities.
That's why I brought up South Park.
The cultural shift is pronounced.
The liberal woke stuff was shifted so rapidly in the course of a couple of years that when you mention universities and the cultural trends to pull conservative kids left, that's shifted dramatically.
I agree, but I think assuming something like the universities are going to go away, like the university institution has been around for like 2,000 years.
I don't think universities are going away.
And generally, universities tend to trend left because people who are leftward are high openness to experience, so they tend to like things like learning and education, right?
What I think is actually more important here is has the left failed to indoctrinate within its culture a value of children?
I would just say, yeah, I think it has, right?
But one thing that I would caution you towards, right, when you write this doomsday of feminism leading to the collapse and decay of all of society, when you look at cultural trends, they're always ebbing and flowing back and forth because one side starts winning the culture war and the political war.
They get too much power.
They become kind of assholes because a lot of us are assholes with power.
And then the other side kind of populates and becomes more popular again, right?
But I do want to make one point that's going on right now with Washington, D.C. is, and it's not, it's not, you know, Trump focuses on D.C., but Chicago, all these big cities.
I mean, we saw a tent city on the way here, and there's two questions.
unidentified
Why does the city allow this?
And I don't mean to forcefully remove people with no choice.
You can make the liberal argument of why are they not trying to help these people to solve that problem?
Or the conservative argument, why are they allowing people to camp on their streets?
But let's see.
Yeah, and we've got to get to people.
And one thing we didn't talk about, but one point I wanted to make earlier, the aspect of trans people taking, no, seriously, taking over women's space, because you don't think that trans women are a threat to actual femininity or whatever.
Like on like public streets, like all through like Venice and stuff.
I remember going to co-ed bathrooms in the UK.
Like in France, it was like totally normal.
Surprise, surprise.
France.
Yes, in France.
And one thing that I would actually point out here is if you've ever seen the lines between like the male bathroom and the woman bathroom, it would be great if we were sharing the same space.
Okay?
Come on, get women's bathroom away.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
I'm very passionate about this.
I'm very passionate about this.
Sometimes the woman's bathroom is fucking disgusting because women will not sit on the seat.
Real quick, we're going to go to the audience, but there was a really funny story where this woman was an Antarctic researcher complaining about sexism because she couldn't stand up and piss in Antarctica.
And so she was insisting that the U.S. spend research, like their research grant money, on building outhouses in the middle of Antarctica because it was sexist that men could unzip and release and she couldn't.
And she didn't think it was, she didn't want to use one of those funnels.
They have the funnel, yeah.
Anyway, my mom's for years.
We're not spending money out of it.
The penis tech is a good tech, I will say.
That shit of spraying around, that's pretty cool.
All right, guys, this has been a good debate so far.
Yeah, I got the list right here.
Okay, guys, so what we're gonna do is we're gonna pick some names and you're gonna immediately haul ass to this side of the stage where I'm pointing.
We're gonna have a microphone.
If you're good for a minute, we might bring you on stage.
I'm actually very big into a traditional relationship where the man is a leader, protects, and provides for his woman, and all she has to worry about is making sandwiches and taking care of the kids.
unidentified
And I think that's how society's thrived for a long time.
So it's actually the contrary.
I think men need to protect women from themselves a lot of the times because I don't think women in positions of power leads to a great society.
So one other thing that you said earlier was that men being in power has led to a great history.
Yes.
Do you think that the history of men being in power is flawless?
No, there's always going to be flaws with human error in general.
So human error in general, that includes men and women.
Wait, but if we just granted your evolutionary argument of like development, yeah, patriarchies have been the most competitive.
And now what we're seeing is that an egalitarian society that includes women in like the workforce and the right to vote are the most successful societies in modern.
I mean, again, my thing is, I think that men are better than women and everything that matters.
unidentified
And I think men need to lead society.
And I think women should be focusing on having children and families versus chasing a career.
And if we are going to allow them to go ahead and chase a career, let's at least be honest with them and let them know that this is going to come with some very serious consequences that might lead to your long-term sorrow, sadness, anti-depression medication, etc.
But the issue is that if men are so much better than women, then how are we in this position where suddenly men are also being destroyed by society and crushed by them?
unidentified
We can't have these two mutually exclusive things at the same time.
What I would actually argue is that men are stupid in a lot of stupid ways.
There are a shitload of really shitty guys, but there's a smaller amount of substantially more successful, intelligent, and strong guys than women.
This is like the hypergamy argument.
No, it's the greater male variability.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I would agree.
Like when you look at like the extreme ends of genetics, right?
Men tend to be the stupidest and the smartest, right?
Like if you look at the lowest IQ individuals.
Sorry, guys, it's men.
But when you look at the highest IQ individuals, it's also men, right?
Women are a lot more stable in a lot of things, which is, I think, one of the things that, yes, stable.
For example, their bell curve is more flattened, right?
You're not going to get the extreme ends on either side.
Which is good for a society.
Let me ask you a question.
Is it better for society to be led by the smartest individuals?
not always necessarily at like the at this idea of a stupider individual Well, no, like mostly virtuous.
I want the society.
Well, no, no, irrespective of virtue.
Let's assume that we're aiming for virtuous people.
Would we, of the virtuous, of the virtuous people we've identified, we want the smartest of them.
Well, because there's two parts of our brain.
There's a logical part.
I got to ask this question.
He wanted to appeal to my feelings, too.
Let's say we've looked at the most virtuous people in the country.
Would we want to choose the smartest of them to be our leaders?
Assuming that they're actually qualified, sure, I suppose.
Like aptitude.
Let's say aptitude.
Yeah, sure.
The highest aptitude.
I just think that for the most part, when it comes to leadership, it's more about a prerequisite, which is a really high prerequisite.
But then after that, my point is when you look at Fortune 500 companies, with or without feminism, the only way to get parity of female leaders is through force.
I don't see it.
I'm saying through social force.
I don't want parity.
I'm not saying anything.
I'm just making this point that with the greater male variability hypothesis, you are going to see most world leaders will always be men.
Most CEOs will always be men.
The top physical performers will be men.
Most of the homeless will be men.
Most of the drugs involved in the menu.
Point of men will be men.
Point of making is there are very, very few positions of power and authority.
And because there are going to be a greater, there's a greater male variability and aptitude, you will always see these positions dominated by men.
However, modern feminism, especially throughout the past 80 years or so, always has said it's a patriarchy run by men.
No, it's a system run by those most capable that happen to be men.
Well, I want to make this argument, though, and it's an oversimplification, but basically our brain has two hemispheres, right and left, and there's one that they consider more emotional and one that's more logical.
And that they say men use the logical side and women use the emotional side more.
And I would argue that if you're more emotionally intelligent, that could make up for your logical intelligence.
So even though you're not like a brainiac, a woman that has smart emotional intelligence can be just as successful.
You don't agree to open your paws.
I know, guys, I'm just saying, you don't agree that how that can, or I guess Myron, I mean, you don't think that that can overcome for logical intelligence, emotional intelligence?
Yeah, because it makes it like when somebody provokes you, whether you react, men are more reactionary.
unidentified
Women are less reactionary.
So the emotional part of your brain is actually very important.
Even when you're driving, like if you get mad in Road Rage, like more greater male variability of stuff.
Like the guys who are going to be the best are going to be calm, reason.
And the same thing is true for women, but there will be more men than women.
But on average, women are more reasonable than men because they use agreeable.
Agreeable.
Well, whatever you're going to say.
Agreeable is really, really important when you predict for people who are like rising to the top of like organizing people.
Agreeability and the ability to work with others is an essential part, particularly of our modern economy.
I disagree.
That's how you get a bunch of yes men circle jerking each other.
No, not at all.
Being agreeable doesn't mean that you don't have boundaries, right?
Being agreeable means that you can like see what the priorities are and you can try to work together and find cohesiveness.
I don't know what to tell you.
When it comes to like some of the best managers and some of the best like high senior VPs, the reality is that agreeableness predicts really strongly for this.
The only people where disagreeableness predicts is typically for the CEO.
But again, I don't have an issue with men being CEOs necessarily.
I would just like to say, so I'm not for like the infantilization of women in any capacity.
Whether that's women, I just would like it to be a level playing field in terms of some women will go out and be successful and have very successful high-earning careers such as myself.
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And also, without needing to be like calling my dad to ask if I can fuck a guy or whatever it is that Myron wants.
Either side of that infantilization, I'm against.
I'm a human being with agency.
If you ask your dad.
If I ask my dad, because you said that before, right?
Like mating decisions.
So should I call my dad and ask if I can fuck or should I just call my dad and ask if he has to pull out?
Well, my thing is you should be calling your dad.
Well, you just exposed herself as a 304, but that's fine.
I mean, I think you should be able to get a double-clicking.
That's okay.
You can sit and call a married woman with a child a hoe.
I actually think the problem- Let me clarify though.
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When I talk about empathy, I mean as into the masculine experience and how men to us, because, and this is why so many women struggle with keeping a guy long term.
Isn't it that men can't keep a woman long term since they're the ones divorcing him?
What was that?
Isn't it that men can't keep women long term since women are the ones initiating most divorces?
Well, what I'm saying is that a lot of modern day women, when I talk to them and they say, like, one of the top questions I get with girls is like, well, what do guys want?
Especially more attractive men.
And it's amazing to me that they even have to ask that because with men, if we don't know what women want, we just have to deal with the consequences.
But with women, they can kind of get along in life and meet guys and date and everything without really knowing what men want.
unidentified
But yeah, sorry.
Yeah, so my point about empathy was actually that I think the reason perhaps why you think women don't have empathy is because of these issues we're talking about with women getting married later in life and having children later in life.
The empathy is not directed towards the family unit anymore.
And it's actually extrapolated to outside groups, which is why we see things like tent cities and an outsized focus on minority groups.
Yeah, I mean, like I said before, they can absolutely have sympathy.
But when I'm talking about empathy specifically, I'm talking about the male experience and like kind of how men go through things in life.
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Like I don't think women are empathetic to the masculine experience.
Whereas like men, we have to understand women to some level if we want to be successful.
And if you look at guys that like are really good with women, like pickup artists or dating coaches, whatever, they have a very fine-tuned understanding and empathy to women because they're trying to get laid.
So they have to be able to think ahead on what the woman's going to expect, what she's going to want, the type of vibe she's going to want when it comes to making something sexual.
So I argue that men are far more empathetic than women are, especially guys that are good with women.
I don't think women are empathetic to men because they don't have to be aware of that.
I got to disagree with it because you're also making the point that women aren't getting good guys because they're hypergamous.
And so if women are going to suffer later in life because they can't get a good guy who wants to help them have a family and be a strong protector, that is a detriment to women by, I guess what I'm saying is women need to be empathetic to the male experience if they want to have a successful family and relationship.
Well, I do want to say, though, that you are a female comedian, very successful in a male-dominated industry.
Wouldn't you give a lot of credit to having a strong father?
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I give a credit to having a strong father every single day.
I talk to my dad every day.
I am so grateful, so grateful to have the father that I have.
And I think that men that are as wonderful as my father deserve all the credit in the world.
Is he funny?
He is funny.
I think I got a real funny thing.
And I agree.
I think that's a lot of, even in the black community, obviously I think it's a lot of the broken home situations, Myron, that there's actually a lot of examples where black guys have both parents there and they're incredibly successful.
So I think that the way that people are brought up, the patriarchy or whatever you want to call it, is very important to their, you know, I've always said that strong dads keep daughters off share poles and sons out of jail.
But isn't part of the issue that we're outlining here that you're saying is that society doesn't have empathy towards men, which I would actually disagree with.
If you look at like the age at which we view boys becoming men, it almost completely overlaps with the spike of suicide rates amongst young boys, which is about the age of 14.
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So I would actually wholly agree with you that society doesn't have like empathy for men in any way, shape, or form, right?
And we have this kind of weird, infantilized empathy for women that I think is actually harmful to them in a lot of ways because it robs them of a lot of their agency.
I think you're right as to like why we oftentimes like systemically infantilize women more.
I just think it's harmful to both women and to men because it leads to this like really weird disjunct where if a woman is like sexually aggressive with a man, people are like, oh, he probably loved it.
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But if a man does the same thing towards the same age woman, we're all like, he's a monster.
And I think that creates this disjoint of unparity that I think is harmful and devalues men in a way that they don't think is good.
I mean, again, I'm not sitting here trying to feel sad, but I'm just saying, like, this is just the honest reality when it comes to like how women deal with men and how men deal with women.
Like, men have to understand women, whereas women don't really have to understand men to be able to get the same access, right?
But if they don't deal with women better, they'd probably have longer marriages and women would be leaving them less often, I'm assuming, right?
Because women cite the same reasons over and over for why they end the marriages, even though I would argue to women, like there should probably be more.
Women end relationships a lot of times because they have this concept that they should always be happy and that overrides duty to the family.
So that's another reason, too, why women end marriages and relationships, because we tell women that their happiness overrides everything.
The woman who is always complaining has more and survives.
And the woman who is content does not.
This is not to dig on women.
I'm saying that women are demanding of their men because they want to survive.
And so they constantly expect more from men.
Yeah, I mean, when it comes to, like, I've said this, women get mad at me when I say this, but like, women are literally designed to extract value from men.
Like, that is what they're designed to do.
Women are designed to provide value.
values that they're what they do is extract value this is why you don't gotta say it's like a thick way you know what I mean Yeah, but this is the same thing.
That's only true that when women earn more than their male partners, that it's a problem for the relationship.
If the male has a very traditional view of masculinity and she does too, the moment that you remove a traditional view of masculinity, where, for example, the woman goes, like, I'm the breadwinner, and that's totally fine with me, suddenly the relationships completely balance out.
Do you want to just make your point and then ask a question?
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What do you think about this?
We have a lot of consumerism and technologies nowadays that I think enable feminism.
Do you think that a time when they didn't have paper towels or a washing machine or all of these other things that women used to do would was were they oppressed in that role taking care of a house?
Yeah, I think I think essentially that when you like take away people's like political rights, you are robbing them of agency, which I think is inherently oppressive.
I think stealing people's ability to make choices is bad.
And most importantly, you can see this, for example, when you look at Spartan women versus Athenian women.
But the other thing too is- They would even say she like invented something or some superpower woman who could theoretically maintain the same justice.
But she wasn't allowed to.
But the issue is, you're not likely to see a woman, you know, manually tilling fields with pickaxes.
They can barely go ahead and actually subdue a subject.
So whenever I had women and I did an operation plan, I put these bitches on the perimeter because they can't effectively get into a fight and they put everyone else in danger.
I just think it is a more a collectivist plot for societal division than it is.
What do you mean by collectivist?
As in right now, when you have, I'll just give an example of the feminist movement being tied with transgenderism and all these other sorts of things that is more left-wing and just more collectivist in mindset.
I mean, you can just say those parts of feminism I disagree with.
I already said third-wave feminism.
Not a big fan.
Women and men are not the same.
So in a broad sense, feminism as a whole includes a lot of really bad shit.
We bring girls on that have PhDs, master's degrees, educated with bachelor's degrees, all different types of job fields.
And, you know, I've still noticed some like very interesting similarities despite education level, cultural background, et cetera, with the women.
So my thing is, unfortunately, almost all women, well, damn near 99% of women are all very hypergamous.
And what I tell guys is the reason why they need to rise up and make more money and get in the gym and just be the best they can be is because women's standards have gone up.
And since women's standards have gone up, most guys don't qualify.
And I think for any guy to be able to relationship where they can like make it last and have their girl be somewhat satisfied is they have to be the best version of yourself because women are pickier now than ever before thanks to feminism.
So and not only that, but like women are encouraged to get the best they can.
But what I'm saying now is that like average women no longer want average men.
Historically, 40% of men reproduced.
Of course.
And now it's 83.
83% of men now.
83% don't reproduce.
Well, no, no, no.
I'm sorry.
As of the younger generation, sure.
But historically, throughout thousands and thousands of years, of course, the number was around 40.
Modern history, it's around 80.
Of course, I understand Gen Z is.
And here's the thing, too.
We had guardrails, right?
Before, like, you know, you had the church, you had a social shame, you had stigmas with women behaving and acting in a way to, you know, effectuate their hypergamy.
Part of the reason why historically men weren't spreading their seed is they were dying in the mines and they were dying in war because the way that society dealt with what we call like the young male syndrome, which is a real issue of young men that don't have mates, because typically young men don't actually get mates because you guys are immature and have to grow up a little bit.
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This has always been historically true.
This is absolutely true.
This is what war has fed because a major issue in all nation states when they were beginning, you can go back to like the 700s, is the question of the young male issue.
Now, I love the Western civilization where we don't do that to young men because I think that's fucked up.
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Yeah, we do.
No, we don't.
We don't send men.
We are not killing off men in the numbers that were regulated in history.
And I think that that's a good thing.
Okay, sure, but we still have drafts and we still have war.
Sure, but the issue is when you talk about like men aren't spreading their seed in history, it's because they were dying.
All right, real quick.
Do you have one last thing, Jess, before you go?
It's been three minutes.
One last thing you want to say.
I'm a veteran.
I just want to make one point additionally because I was talking about collectivism a moment ago.
And I feel like with Myron saying like all men, all women, and just coming at your audience with that narrative, it leaves out the traditional view, kind of like Tim was saying, of I'm 23 and I meet someone and do this.
And you grow with that person together.
Like I was with my husband while I was going through college.
Yeah, that's great.
I mean, but you're an exception to the rule.
Okay.
But you have a selection bias, Myron.
23-year-old girls are not going to selection bias.
You're the biggest threat, you stupid Indian with your DEI bullshit.
I'm not worried about some damn AI taking my job.
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I'm worried about you D's coming over here and making chicken kick and masala in the damn company microwave and sticking up the whole place like Curry.
So let me know how to use a microwave.
So let me tell you my favorite friend, who is I love you.
Myron, can we talk about the great uncucking of Alex Stein, who up to a few months ago, until he decided to lose weight, was a complete grotty unfuckable who no one wants to do.
And this is actually more of a robot question because I'm not going to get in the full details of what happened, but basically a robot stole money from me.
And it was, and everybody looked, bro, it was a room full of managers with their thumbs up their asses being like, there's nothing we can do because the robot said so.
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
So both men and women equally had their thumbs up their asses.
But in reality, when push comes to shove, they want to be able to fucking know.
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Well, the issue, Myron, is that women are able to look at the world and recognize that some people are good at some things and other people are good at other things.
And both of these people have to do with the world.
So when it comes to what she needs for the baby, what she needs for the house, where we're going on vacation, who we're seeing for holidays, I just say, you know what?
Okay, so if we as a society want to get back to traditional values and a strong nuclear family, how are we supposed to do that when we lack strong male role models in the public eye?
Especially when we've got public figures with a strong influence amongst young men and boys who are constantly like criticizing 304s, but like bragging about what do you mean you got Andrew Taylor?
No, but we've also got Myron Gates.
Let's see what Myron has to say.
What do you mean, Myron?
Well, I think what we tell guys, you know, if you watch the content, we talk a lot about self-improvement, going to the gym, understanding that, you know, you got to be the best version of yourself.
And then, you know, obviously pursue the women after you become that complete package because nowadays with the way hypergamy is, women don't want average men anymore.
I think people only look at the content of me debating, you know, women or whatever, but they don't look at all the self-improvement content I put out on, you know, improving your credit, real estate investing, getting in the gym and training.
unidentified
I've seen a lot of that.
And I agree with you on a lot of things.
Yes, and how Jews control everything.
I don't agree with you having women.
But like, because I know that you believe in like a strong father figure and traditional values, but you just don't practice that.
With second wave feminism, women were encouraged to get jobs and have careers, and that's a great thing that they have that option.
But due to that, the workforce was doubled overnight.
That caused more workers competing for jobs, driving down overall wages.
That led to the standard of dual-income households, making it nearly impossible for a sole breadwinner to own a home or raise a family.
Do we think, do y'all believe that coupled with modern feminism promoting long-term relationships, not promoting long-term relationships or marriages, that it has ultimately led to the economic struggles that we as young people are facing today?
Yes.
No.
Absolutely not.
And I'm so glad you brought up the economy.
All right.
Not only is it inevitable that women are going to enter the workforce, it was necessary because you have to compete as an economy in a global market.
And it's very, very important that your GDP is globally competitive.
If everyone else lets women enter into the workforce, which inevitably is going to happen if you're globally competing, increasing your labor product by 50% is an explosion when it comes to economic momentum, things like productivity.
I'm here because my husband, Eric McCartney, watches y'all show.
I yell at him like we need a date night.
And he watches y'all shit.
This is our fucking date night.
Yeah.
Yeah, the man's making the decisions, obviously.
I'm a supportive woman.
Okay?
We've raised nine children between yours one, ours, and theirs.
Three biological, okay?
I understand what y'all saying.
Yes, women, we deserve a right to go to work.
We own our house because I worked hard enough to buy it myself, but we cannot be legally married because America no longer supports family fucking households.
Wait, sorry, if you're married to your husband, why can't you get married?
First off, first off, let me say I'm not wearing a spicy vest.
The American left has been getting pretty cozy with Muslim and Islam culture, and that seems to be in direct conflict with their pet issues of feminism and LGBT.
As a center-right-leaning transsexual myself, I am concerned about the mainstreaming of Islam and eventually Sharia law in this country.
And to tie it back into today's theme, I would imagine feminists would have similar feelings.
How does this conflict work itself out?
I feel that the left is just using feminism and LGBT as disposable weapons, useful only when they align with their political goals.
What do you all think?
Go sit down, Taylor.
Don't land on your balls when you do that.
I think that is a really good point about how modern feminism is very deferential to Islam, which is weird.
I just, yeah, I agree.
I'm extremely anti-Muslim.
I think that Islam is extremely oppressive to women, and I'm not a fan of it.
