The Culture War - Tim Pool - Has Feminism Destroyed The West? Myron Gaines vs Kat Timpf w/ Alex Stein & Tim Pool
Aired: 2025-08-15
Duration: 01:55:36


=== Feminism And Relationship Trends (10:21) ===

[00:00:00]  We got an important question for everybody.
[00:00:01]  Has feminism destroyed the West?
[00:00:04]  Oh, everybody's saying yes.
[00:00:07]  This is the question that must be answered today.
[00:00:09]  We have this amazing panel.
[00:00:10]  Why don't we start from the right?
[00:00:11]  Introduce yourself, good sir.
[00:00:13]  Me?
[00:00:13]  Yes.
[00:00:14]  Oh, Myron Gates.
[00:00:15]  Are you going to go?
[00:00:15]  I don't know if someone else is coming, but yeah.
[00:00:17]  Myron Gates, chilling.
[00:00:18]  Who are you?
[00:00:18]  What are you doing?
[00:00:19]  Yeah, one half of the Fresh Rate Podcast.
[00:00:21]  I also do my own show called The Debrief, where we make fun of women, Jews, and black people.
[00:00:27]  So it's great.
[00:00:28]  I told you.
[00:00:29]  Yeah.
[00:00:30]  I asked Kyla before the show started, how long until we heard the word Jews?
[00:00:34]  Right away.
[00:00:34]  30 seconds.
[00:00:35]  30 seconds.
[00:00:37]  And Myron and I will both be going to Israel to touch the wall after this podcast.
[00:00:41]  Well, they're going to kill me.
[00:00:42]  So thank you, guys.
[00:00:43]  I'm Prime Time Alex Stein, Pimbona Blamp, and I believe in amnesty for all big booty Latinas.
[00:00:47]  Who agrees?
[00:00:48]  Yes.
[00:00:53]  Tell you.
[00:00:55]  Me.
[00:00:55]  Yeah.
[00:00:56]  Hi, guys.
[00:00:56]  My name is Natso Erudites.
[00:00:58]  I'm the dirty liberal on the panel today, so you guys will love me.
[00:01:04]  My name is Kat Timf, and I am the co-host of Gottfeld.
[00:01:10]  Yes, I have a job, and I'm also a mother.
[00:01:13]  Yeah!
[00:01:17]  Of course, I'm your host Simpoole, along with co-host Alex Stein.
[00:01:20]  Let's go.
[00:01:21]  Let's ask this question right off the bat.
[00:01:24]  It's a heavy question.
[00:01:25]  Has feminism destroyed the West?
[00:01:27]  I mean, one could argue if they're holding the opinion it is destroying, but really destroyed past tense.
[00:01:33]  What do you think, Myron?
[00:01:34]  Well, it depends on which way you want to go.
[00:01:37]  If you want to talk about destroying the family, the dating marketplace, the way women view men in general, there's so many different problems that have come from feminism, and it's a multi-pronged issue, depending on whichever sex you want.
[00:01:49]  Name one.
[00:01:50]  I mean, we can start with dating, right?
[00:01:51]  So these bitches are too entitled.
[00:01:52]  If I'm going to be honest, you know, their expectations are far too high for what they bring to the table.
[00:01:58]  They're fairly delusional thanks to, you know, social media, dating apps, et cetera, where, you know, simps are blowing smoke up their ass all the time.
[00:02:04]  And what's happened is women have a very unrealistic standard on what they think they deserve versus what's out there.
[00:02:10]  And if they do find that guy, they think that that guy should kind of bend to their women.
[00:02:13]  The reality is it doesn't work that way.
[00:02:15]  Wait, actually, I want to have, just one thing I want to give a little pushback, though.
[00:02:18]  Myron, and you do talk about this a lot.
[00:02:19]  We talk about the 304s, the hoes.
[00:02:22]  Yes.
[00:02:23]  So if these girls are being extra picky, kind of like you're saying, then why are they also hoes at the same time?
[00:02:29]  Ah, good question.
[00:02:30]  You see what I'm saying?
[00:02:30]  Yeah.
[00:02:31]  Because a lot of them are hoes.
[00:02:32]  So when I say that they're hoes, what I mean is in they have promiscuous type behavior.
[00:02:35]  I mean, they're still, you know, having sex with a smaller portion of the men, but they're still getting a high body count because there's a lot of these guys.
[00:02:41]  So what ends up happening is a lot of girls end up being Eskimo sisters, a lot of other women because they're all smashing the same, you know, minority of men.
[00:02:50]  You know, and this gets, especially like in major cities like in Miami, for example, right?
[00:02:53]  Like the girls that are going out and doing things and whatever, they're hooking up with the same small percentage of guys all the time.
[00:03:00]  And that's what I'm talking about.
[00:03:01]  Right.
[00:03:01]  I mean, obviously that's a hyper analyzed portion of it, but in general, you know.
[00:03:06]  Well, let's ask the women.
[00:03:08]  Do women have too high of expectations for men and are they hoes?
[00:03:13]  If they are, who cares?
[00:03:15]  I would say.
[00:03:16]  I would say no.
[00:03:17]  I would say I enjoy being a member of society.
[00:03:22]  I like being able to vote.
[00:03:23]  I like being able to have a bank account.
[00:03:26]  And it's so crazy that I'm also a mother at the same time with a husband who loves me and is able to handle the fact that I'm my own person.
[00:03:35]  Well, I think Kat makes actually a good point, though, Myron.
[00:03:37]  Like, is it that bad if a girl has a job and a college education?
[00:03:40]  Like, in a driven woman, let's say she's driven to do more than just be a mom.
[00:03:44]  Like, why is that demonized, I guess, in your opinion?
[00:03:46]  Well, look, I don't have a problem with women, you know, aspiring to go to school and everything else like that.
[00:03:51]  My thing is, I think we just need to be honest with them.
[00:03:53]  If you're going to go ahead and pursue a career in higher education, your chances of finding a man are going to drop off precipitously because your standards go up as you increase your income, your status, because women are hypergamous.
[00:04:04]  They're not like us.
[00:04:05]  When we get status and money, our standards stay fairly the same or we just want a hotter girl.
[00:04:10]  But when women increase their status, they want a guy on their level financially, mentally, et cetera.
[00:04:14]  So we just need to be honest with women is the more successful you become, the likelihood of you finding a guy drop-off.
[00:04:20]  There's a really good idea.
[00:04:20]  That was not the case for me.
[00:04:22]  I'm actually more successful than you are, Myron.
[00:04:25]  Oh, wow.
[00:04:27]  Shots fired.
[00:04:28]  Well, to be fair, and I have a baby.
[00:04:31]  Do you have a baby?
[00:04:35]  You know what's funny to me?
[00:04:36]  I looked around.
[00:04:37]  I didn't see a stove, so I don't know why this woman's here not talking.
[00:04:42]  I don't make dinner.
[00:04:43]  I make money.
[00:04:44]  This is not a kitchen.
[00:04:45]  This is not a kitchen somehow.
[00:04:47]  Some woman is talking.
[00:04:48]  I don't know.
[00:04:49]  This is in the kitchen, but she's talking.
[00:04:51]  I got an important point for you, Myron.
[00:04:52]  All that matters in the end is in 20, 30 years, she's already got a genetic leg up with having a kid.
[00:04:58]  If you don't have a kid, your line ends.
[00:05:00]  Where's your kid at?
[00:05:00]  Oh, well, I'll have one eventually.
[00:05:02]  I'm just going to try.
[00:05:02]  I'm trying to pick out my four wives first.
[00:05:04]  You know what I mean?
[00:05:05]  So I'm picking up.
[00:05:06]  There's another woman here, though.
[00:05:08]  I don't know, Kat.
[00:05:09]  Do you consider yourself conservative or liberal?
[00:05:12]  I mean, I consider myself my own person.
[00:05:14]  I'm independent.
[00:05:15]  All right.
[00:05:15]  Well, the self-avowed liberal.
[00:05:18]  What say you?
[00:05:19]  What say I?
[00:05:21]  I say, the two questions.
[00:05:23]  Are women's standards increasing?
[00:05:24]  Yeah, I would say by and large, women's standards are increasing as they get access to work and education.
[00:05:29]  The issue is that they're not really staying single.
[00:05:31]  Most of the Pew Research shows that women are dating and dating successfully.
[00:05:34]  The real question that I think is actually at the heart of all this is like, are people happy?
[00:05:38]  Are people finding meaningful relationships?
[00:05:40]  And in what ways is society happening and harming them or benefiting them?
[00:05:46]  I think those are the important questions.
[00:05:49]  Isn't loneliness up?
[00:05:50]  Isn't loneliness up, Tim?
[00:05:52]  Oh, dude.
[00:05:53]  Dating is down.
[00:05:53]  Loneliness is up.
[00:05:54]  There was that graph that went viral that people are basically becoming needs, men and women.
[00:06:00]  They're less conscientious.
[00:06:01]  They're more neurotic.
[00:06:02]  They're less agreeable.
[00:06:03]  They're isolating themselves.
[00:06:05]  I don't know if that's a product of feminism, but what I can say is right now the current system is not conducive to happy relationships between either men and women.
[00:06:11]  I actually agree.
[00:06:12]  I think that the way that our society has oriented itself, where it's like obsession over money and working and like the betrayal of like family and connection relationship is harming everyone.
[00:06:22]  I don't think that this is a unique like woman problem or man problem.
[00:06:25]  When we're talking about like the loneliness epidemic, it's mostly a male-skewed issue.
[00:06:31]  In the Pew Research, men between the ages of like 18 to 25, 61% of them, I think, hadn't even dated before.
[00:06:37]  Whereas I think it was only like 30% of young women.
[00:06:40]  does that prove my response sort of i mean is women are getting but the men are not That means the women are dating all the same guys.
[00:06:46]  Well, no, they're not.
[00:06:47]  Like, most of these women are in monogamous relationships, right?
[00:06:50]  The issue is actually the 20-year-olds are dating men that are typically like four to five years older than them.
[00:06:56]  That's actually more so what we're seeing.
[00:06:57]  So let's just break it down for me, my misunderstanding then, because it sounds like I might be misunderstanding.
[00:07:02]  Most, what was the number most women have found relationships?
[00:07:06]  30% of women have dated between the ages of 18 and 25, whereas 61% of men have not dated.
[00:07:11]  Right, okay.
[00:07:12]  So that's the same number, isn't it?
[00:07:16]  Sorry, I'm not understanding.
[00:07:17]  That means 30% of men have dated and 30% of women have dated.
[00:07:20]  No, 61% of men between the ages of 18 to 25 have not had a relationship.
[00:07:24]  So that means 30 of them have dated.
[00:07:26]  So that means 30% of men have had a relationship.
[00:07:29]  Sorry, did I mess up?
[00:07:32]  You're saying both.
[00:07:33]  30% of women have not dated.
[00:07:35]  Have not dated.
[00:07:36]  Okay, have not dated.
[00:07:37]  Sorry, yeah.
[00:07:38]  Sorry.
[00:07:39]  So if it's two to one men not dating, but women are dating, then the women would have to be dating.
[00:07:44]  Well, between that age.
[00:07:45]  Well, no, no, no.
[00:07:46]  No, no, no.
[00:07:46]  That's the age bracket.
[00:07:47]  18 to 25 is one of the key things.
[00:07:50]  Women are dating older men.
[00:07:52]  Oh, I see, I see, I see.
[00:07:53]  That's what's making up the gap.
[00:07:55]  I think Myron agrees with that, right?
[00:07:56]  Well, yeah, I mean, the reality is, you know, average women don't want average men.
[00:08:00]  They date up.
[00:08:01]  And now, with, you know, the way we have society, hypergamy is not only reinforced, but it's encouraged.
[00:08:06]  You know, women are told to not settle.
[00:08:08]  They're told to get the best man that they can get.
[00:08:10]  So a lot of girls think that they qualify for something a lot of times, which they actually don't.
[00:08:14]  And sometimes I have to be the reality and let them know, like, look, you're average.
[00:08:17]  You got to be, you know, a little bit more realistic about where you stand.
[00:08:19]  This is a really hypergamy.
[00:08:20]  Average women don't want average men.
[00:08:21]  This isn't really hypergamy, though, right?
[00:08:23]  Like, what are men typically selecting for in a relationship?
[00:08:25]  Youthfulness, beauty, right?
[00:08:26]  Some level of like making him feel good.
[00:08:27]  What are women selecting for?
[00:08:28]  Stability factors.
[00:08:29]  And so in this way, women are dating the pool of men that give them the stability factors because it usually takes men a couple of years to get education and a career and like something built underneath them.
[00:08:38]  And men are selecting for the things that they want.
[00:08:40]  It's not just stability anymore, is what I'm trying to say.
[00:08:42]  It's not just stability.
[00:08:43]  It's also, is the guy handsome?
[00:08:45]  Is he tall?
[00:08:45]  Is he charming?
[00:08:46]  Is he charismatic?
[00:08:47]  Like, since women make their own money, they're able to be a bit more selective because they don't just need the provisioning anymore.
[00:08:52]  They just, they want other things as well.
[00:08:54]  Is he handsome?
[00:08:55]  How does he look, et cetera?
[00:08:56]  So women do have a staked interest now in how a man looks and how he conveys himself as well, since they handle the provisioning part themselves.
[00:09:02]  So it's made women more selective, but that's kind of come at their dismay because now it's harder to find that guy that is a total package with everything.
[00:09:09]  Sure.
[00:09:09]  The issue is that like the actual problem here is that we're leaving men behind.
[00:09:13]  The issue isn't that we're like raising women up.
[00:09:15]  It's that men are disproportionately being like undereducated in school.
[00:09:19]  Primary school is horrible for young boys.
[00:09:21]  We're not giving them social scripts on how to exist.
[00:09:23]  And we're still telling young men that their only value is the amount that they can contribute to the GDP.
[00:09:28]  When in the reality is that what women are looking for is men that like make them feel valuable, men that they can emotionally connect to.
[00:09:34]  And so like the real issue here isn't that we're raising women up.
[00:09:37]  It's that we're leaving men behind, which I'm actually very interested in.
[00:09:40]  I want to make this one point, though, you know, I think men are a victim of what their surroundings, because, you know, the amount of men that have microplastics in their testicles now, seriously, you know, now the amount of estrogen.
[00:09:52]  You're getting some right now.
[00:09:53]  Exactly.
[00:09:54]  So I'm saying, don't we?
[00:09:56]  Men now have higher estrogen levels than ever in recorded history.
[00:10:00]  So I feel like that is kind of why the men are, I guess, you know, coming in second place if we talk about the problem.
[00:10:05]  Well, there's a lot of people.
[00:10:05]  That's a problem for everyone.

=== Femininity And War Votes (15:54) ===

[00:10:06]  I'm only 36 and I've already had cancer.
[00:10:09]  Yeah, geez.
[00:10:10]  It's a serious thing.
[00:10:12]  I know.
[00:10:12]  It's serious.
[00:10:13]  Yeah.
[00:10:13]  Some environmental shit going on.
[00:10:15]  Man, who's in good shape, Kat?
[00:10:16]  Like I said, you've never been fat or no, not to brag, but I've never been fat.
[00:10:20]  Yeah.
[00:10:21]  I mean, but that does have, you know, like they say the fatter you are, the more likely you are to get cancer.
[00:10:25]  So I'm just saying there's a lot of toxins in our water, in our food that are making men, you know, less masculine and less aggressive.
[00:10:32]  I want to, maybe I'm just jumping the gun, but I was just thinking about if we want to go into dating stuff, I think maybe we'll come back to it.
[00:10:38]  But and the question of feminism, the one thing that I really, really pisses me off, women won the right to vote without civic responsibility.
[00:10:47]  And so they shouldn't be able to have the right to vote.
[00:10:49]  You can make the argument.
[00:10:50]  Rebuild the 19th.
[00:10:51]  I think it's fine to say women should have the right to vote.
[00:10:54]  However, we got to look at the context in the United States, and that's women do not have an obligation to die in war that men do, but women can vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, promoting these wars, and then men are left on the hook for a war they tend not to vote for.
[00:11:07]  That's fucked up.
[00:11:10]  Sure, the issue.
[00:11:10]  I've got to run this topic.
[00:11:11]  Repeal the 19th.
[00:11:12]  I was going to say that earlier when she was yapping, but that's fine.
[00:11:15]  Yeah, repeal the 19th.
[00:11:16]  I think only landowners should vote.
[00:11:18]  Let's go back.
[00:11:19]  Let's go back to pre-Civil War.
[00:11:21]  Try to vote now, Myron.
[00:11:27]  Yeah, women shouldn't be able to vote.
[00:11:28]  I think we have two issues here, right?
[00:11:29]  Number one, the vote has never actually been tied to military service.
[00:11:32]  It's typically citizenship and age are usually kind of the two main things that we've always used for voting.
[00:11:38]  I would be totally fine with us having an amendment where we add women to selective service.
[00:11:42]  I have no issue with that whatsoever, right?
[00:11:44]  And I think equal strokes.
[00:11:46]  The issue is that when it comes to voting, there are going to be topics that uniquely affect men and uniquely affect women.
[00:11:52]  In this case, war does uniquely affect men right now, which might be unfair.
[00:11:56]  But in the case of something like abortion, abortion and birthright control and all these sort of things, these disproportionately affect women, right?
[00:12:02]  And so when we're talking about like who gets the right to vote, is it because of like certain topics uniquely affect one gender another?
[00:12:08]  That's not how we've ever tied the right to vote.
[00:12:10]  It could be land owners.
[00:12:11]  It could be multiple things.
[00:12:12]  In America, though, we seem to mostly decide age and citizenship.
[00:12:17]  But the problem I have is that Democrats have been substantially more likely to vote for war to promote war, particularly in Ukraine.
[00:12:25]  Republicans have been pressuring Trump not to be involved.
[00:12:28]  His base split over the Iran issue.
[00:12:30]  Millennial women are about 70% voting Democrat.
[00:12:33]  So you have this phenomenon in the millennial to Gen Z younger generation where women are disproportionately voting for a war they have no responsibility in, or I should say a limited responsibility in.
[00:12:44]  And it's crazy to me that half the population can vote and sent the other half to die.
[00:12:48]  And that's equality.
[00:12:49]  So I'm a millennial woman, and I am married to a veteran, and both of us are very anti-war.
[00:12:56]  He is anti-war as somebody who went over there.
[00:13:00]  I think that to pin the power of the military-industrial complex, which is a very powerful, powerful force, on women being able to vote is wild.
[00:13:10]  But I also understand.
[00:13:11]  I understand that that's a mischaracterization of what I said.
[00:13:13]  Okay, no, I was talking, I think I was talking more about what Myron said than what you said.
[00:13:19]  I understand also that this is like Myron's whole thing.
[00:13:22]  But so you have to say like women can't vote and then you get attention.
[00:13:27]  And you also kind of act like you invented misogyny, which you didn't.
[00:13:31]  Like it's been around for a very long time.
[00:13:35]  These are not hot takes.
[00:13:37]  These are like very old archaic.
[00:13:39]  But he is in the top 10, right?
[00:13:42]  Well, because he goes really hard and he gets a lot of attention for it.
[00:13:45]  And then there are these men, sadly, who listen to you who I think are lonely.
[00:13:50]  And I love men.
[00:13:51]  I'm not somebody who, I'm not like a man-hating woman.
[00:13:54]  I love men.
[00:13:55]  And I think that a lot of men have been left behind in a lot of ways.
[00:13:59]  And I understand that.
[00:14:01]  But I don't think that blaming all of your problems, if you do blame all your problems on women, then that could be the reason why you don't have one.
[00:14:08]  I want another group of people that Myron blames his problems on.
[00:14:11]  It's not women.
[00:14:12]  I want to let Myron respond, but I guess I want to pose this question.
[00:14:15]  What is the bigger threat?
[00:14:16]  Feminism or misogyny?
[00:14:19]  It's worse for society.
[00:14:21]  So when I say feminism, I feel like things like, I have the right to vote.
[00:14:26]  I have a job.
[00:14:27]  I'm a participating member of society, which is different than hating men.
[00:14:31]  So it kind of depends how you can do it.
[00:14:34]  Well, do you hate women, Myron?
[00:14:36]  I'm just more curious.
[00:14:37]  Sometimes.
[00:14:39]  Actually, most of the time.
[00:14:40]  No, I'm just kidding.
[00:14:41]  Look, the reality is that when it comes to feminism, et cetera, women are stupid.
[00:14:47]  Let's be honest about this.
[00:14:49]  And the reason why, right, it's not just, and she said herself, misogynist isn't something new.
[00:14:53]  She's right.
[00:14:53]  In ancient China, to the Middle East, to Eastern Europe, everybody knew that women are so we need to make them second-class citizens.
[00:15:00]  So that's why they have the right to vote and do a lot of stuff.
[00:15:02]  And then now what?
[00:15:03]  What an eloquent argument.
[00:15:04]  I never could have come up with something.
[00:15:08]  I let her speak and now she won't let me speak.
[00:15:10]  So it's interesting to me how she said, oh yeah, this isn't something new.
[00:15:13]  Yeah, you're right.
[00:15:14]  Everyone from, since ancient times, knew that women are need to make them second-class citizens.
[00:15:18]  Here's the craziest part.
[00:15:19]  They lived in other ends of the world and they still realize the Asian dudes, ling, bing, ding, all the way to the fucking Muhammads in the Middle East to the Eastern Europeans of Slav.
[00:15:28]  They all knew, damn, women are stupid.
[00:15:30]  We need to go ahead and put them in the kitchen.
[00:15:31]  Now they're out the kitchen.
[00:15:32]  What's going on?
[00:15:34]  Which civilization, which civilization of all the ones that you listed do you like the most?
[00:15:38]  Do you like modern America or do you like Saudi Arabia or do you like ancient Japan?
[00:15:43]  Which one do you like the most?
[00:15:45]  Well, look, I like any society that has women under control.
[00:15:48]  And right now we don't, which is why shit is fucked up.
[00:15:50]  So why don't you move to Saudi Arabia?
[00:15:51]  They don't have the right to vote.
[00:15:52]  They can barely drive.
[00:15:53]  It's a great place.
[00:15:54]  Do you want Sharia law?
[00:15:55]  No, no, no.
[00:15:56]  They can drive now.
[00:15:57]  They can drive.
[00:15:58]  They can drive, and that's bad.
[00:15:59]  Wait, are you?
[00:16:00]  So you think that Saudi Arabia is a better country than America?
[00:16:09]  When it comes to handling women, yes.
[00:16:11]  Yes, when they come to the middle of the world.
[00:16:12]  Well, just overall, don't change the question.
[00:16:15]  Do you think?
[00:16:16]  Well, they have less crime.
[00:16:16]  You were talking about these global things about how when women are oppressed, you know, that's been the societal trend.
[00:16:22]  And so I asked you, Modern America decided, along with a whole bunch of Western democracies, and I think you like Western civilization, that that's a bad idea.
[00:16:29]  And so the question is, why is America so great if Saudi Arabia has got this one thing so well?
[00:16:34]  Like, shouldn't that be the greatest?
[00:16:36]  Well, you could be better in different ways, right?
[00:16:38]  So Muslim theocracies got it.
[00:16:40]  No, I didn't say that.
[00:16:42]  What I'm saying is, here's the problem, right?
[00:16:46]  When you have women having too much power, it creates a lot of issues because women are communitarian by nature, right?
[00:16:51]  They don't know what the fuck they want to do.
[00:16:52]  They can't even decide what they want to eat, let alone pick their own partners.
[00:16:54]  That's why the divorce rates are through the fucking.
[00:16:56]  Right timeout.
[00:16:56]  You guys have made it hard for women to choose what to eat, though, Kat.
[00:16:59]  Is that true?
[00:17:00]  Can we at least agree on that?
[00:17:01]  Yes, but it also could be all this nicotine gum I'm always trying to do.
[00:17:04]  I didn't make that for that.
[00:17:05]  That is typically my girlfriend.
[00:17:07]  It is hard for women to choose where to eat.
[00:17:09]  I think you're 100% right about that.
[00:17:10]  Sure, but we also are negating the fact that some of the biggest breakthroughs in ecology science come from the humanitarian approach that women have.
[00:17:18]  DNA was discovered by women.
[00:17:19]  So the issue is that women are decently valuable.
[00:17:23]  When we talk about women being stupid, men are stupid all the time, too.
[00:17:26]  Men are the morons that are ending up in fucking jail all the time because they can't stop.
[00:17:31]  You made a good point.
[00:17:32]  I think.
[00:17:32]  Wait, wait, wait.
[00:17:33]  Is Frederick Meischer a woman?
[00:17:36]  DNA was first identified by Swiss chemist Friedrich Meischer.
[00:17:40]  Yeah, they were trying to take credit for our stuff.
[00:17:42]  They also said, well, they were trying to say Wi-Fi was made by women.
[00:17:45]  No, it wasn't.
[00:17:45]  It was made by men as well.
[00:17:47]  Women don't invent anything.
[00:17:48]  They don't contribute to anything besides, like, to be honest, the only real value women have is reproduction.
[00:17:52]  I contribute more to the economy than you do, Myron.
[00:17:55]  Just objectively.
[00:17:56]  Wait, wait, I want to say I'm on cat and not so side though, that don't you think women are equally valuable to society, though?
[00:18:02]  You don't think so?
[00:18:03]  Dude, if you remove sex and reproduction, they provide almost nothing.
[00:18:06]  Yeah, but those are very, we wouldn't have life without those things.
[00:18:08]  So don't worry about it.
[00:18:09]  But I want to be clear about this.
[00:18:10]  We don't need them.
[00:18:11]  Like, here's the thing.
[00:18:12]  Women need us.
[00:18:13]  We don't need them.
[00:18:14]  We need them to propagate society the next generation.
[00:18:16]  That's why my point is.
[00:18:18]  I said, outside of reproduction.
[00:18:19]  So, like, if we want to have kids, yes, we need them, but they need us for everything.
[00:18:23]  So, the reality is, men bring far more value to society than women do.
[00:18:26]  The only real value they provide is reproductive value.
[00:18:28]  Because let's be honest here, you guys don't give a fuck about what they got to say.
[00:18:31]  You guys are here for us.
[00:18:32]  Nobody cares about what women got to say.
[00:18:33]  They're the suckiest podcasters.
[00:18:35]  Female YouTubers suck.
[00:18:37]  Nobody gives a fuck about their opinion.
[00:18:38]  We're just there for you.
[00:18:40]  Isn't like some of the largest podcasts, Candace Owens, Call Her Daddy, like some of the largest podcasts are an exception.
[00:18:48]  It doesn't matter if you don't like them.
[00:18:50]  The point is that they're highly successful.
[00:18:51]  So maybe you guys don't like to listen to women, but that doesn't mean that broader society doesn't.
[00:18:55]  For example, take women out of the workforce.
[00:18:58]  You've nuked your economy overnight.
[00:19:00]  It's done.
[00:19:00]  They contribute, even if we're being mild and conservative.
[00:19:04]  30% good for the airline pilot industry, wouldn't it?
[00:19:09]  Wouldn't that save us a lot?
[00:19:10]  I don't know.
[00:19:10]  It seems like there's a lot more going on with the airline pilot industry than just women.
[00:19:14]  But women are usually taking social jobs like teachers and nurses and stuff like that.
[00:19:17]  Yeah, we need those jobs.
[00:19:18]  We do, but we need oil petroleum engineers more.
[00:19:21]  I would disagree.
[00:19:22]  We need to raise our children.
[00:19:23]  I would like literate children.
[00:19:27]  Public schools are shit.
[00:19:28]  But we should still be teaching our kids.
[00:19:29]  We want our kids to be literate.
[00:19:31]  I agree.
[00:19:31]  And I think nurses.
[00:19:32]  We have to be great teachers, right?
[00:19:33]  Like every one of you has been to a hospital, and you're probably super grateful that there's an entire health industry oriented at making sure that your ass doesn't die.
[00:19:40]  Especially a lot of your fat asses don't die.
[00:19:44]  Indeed.
[00:19:45]  Yeah.
[00:19:49]  Oh, you can't.
[00:19:49]  I can feel the tension.
[00:19:51]  I was just going to say, I do want to say thank you guys for being here.
[00:19:55]  Give yourselves a round of applause.
[00:19:57]  Seriously.
[00:19:59]  And this is our third time doing it here.
[00:20:02]  And I have to say that last week was a little tinged with Michael Malas, but you can feel the tension up here.
[00:20:08]  I kind of like this debate.
[00:20:10]  And we want to encourage you guys to all come up, whatever you guys, whether you have a question or debate topic, it's no holds bar.
[00:20:17]  Just say whatever you want to say.
[00:20:18]  And we're going to do that here in a second.
[00:20:19]  But Tim, I mean, I'm liking this, the energy up here.
[00:20:22]  It's a little different this week.
[00:20:23]  There's an interesting split between the civics of it and the dating element of it.
[00:20:28]  So you were saying that...
[00:20:29]  And the morality.
[00:20:31]  Sure.
[00:20:31]  What's the morality argument?
[00:20:32]  I think that feminism is morally good.
[00:20:35]  What does that mean?
[00:20:36]  I think...
[00:20:37]  What does morally good mean?
[00:20:39]  In like a Christian, Aristotelian kind of thing.
[00:20:42]  All of our Western systems absolutely value that.
[00:20:46]  Real quick, just define feminism.
[00:20:47]  Sure, feminism is, here, I always write it down so I can always cite it.
[00:20:51]  Feminism, the empowerment of women's agency and the promotion of femininity.
[00:20:55]  What is femininity?
[00:20:56]  Femininity would be like the emergent things that we see.
[00:20:58]  Nurturance, typically like empathy and kindness, all the things that we typically see in a Western society that would go, yeah, that's feminine by and large.
[00:21:07]  Understanding, these sorts of things.
[00:21:09]  Think things they identify as feminine as femininity?
[00:21:11]  Typically, yeah.
[00:21:13]  Yeah, like what's masculine?
[00:21:14]  What's masculinity?
[00:21:15]  It's the things we kind of identify as a feminist.
[00:21:17]  Women have empathy.
[00:21:19]  I don't think it's like, well, it's like things like bravery and strength, right?
[00:21:22]  It's things like being like protective, right?
[00:21:23]  These are the things that we like see in all of our stories as masculine or feminine.
[00:21:27]  Guys, were you guys going to get your chance?
[00:21:29]  Everybody shut the fuck up.
[00:21:30]  Is femininity then related to like nurturing?
[00:21:33]  Yeah.
[00:21:33]  Having babies?
[00:21:34]  Yeah.
[00:21:36]  I think that's good.
[00:21:37]  Hot take, I think women actually lack empathy.
[00:21:39]  Contrary to them saying that they have empathy.
[00:21:41]  I think women have sympathy.
[00:21:42]  They can feel sorry and compassion for sure.
[00:21:44]  But when it comes to empathy, especially to the masculine experience, they don't have it at all.
[00:21:48]  I would argue most women don't know what men want.
[00:21:50]  They don't know what men are interested in.
[00:21:51]  They don't know what it takes to keep a man around, which is why most girls can't even stay in a relationship long term or get married.
[00:21:57]  And let's be honest here, the reason why they're not empathetic is because there's no need to be empathetic because men approach them.
[00:22:02]  Since men approach them and they do the courting and they have to do everything up front, especially at the beginning, a lot of women aren't empathetic to the masculine experience because they don't have to be.
[00:22:10]  Versus men, we have to be empathetic to women.
[00:22:12]  Otherwise, we don't get laid.
[00:22:13]  Yeah, you're very empathetic to women.
[00:22:15]  No, well, here's the thing.
[00:22:16]  I understand you guys, which is why I don't respect you.
[00:22:18]  So that's why, because the reality is, if you understand women, there's no way you can respect them as an equal because they're inferior in almost every way.
[00:22:25]  Well, in what way does that mean influencing?
[00:22:26]  I just don't understand why you would say that.
[00:22:29]  Sure.
[00:22:29]  I mean, here's the thing.
[00:22:31]  You can either respect them as an equal, right?
[00:22:34]  Or you don't respect.
[00:22:34]  Like, my thing is, I understand women.
[00:22:36]  So since, therefore, I understand women, I cannot respect you guys as equals because you guys have a completely different worldview.
[00:22:42]  You guys are inferior in almost everything that matters.
[00:22:44]  Like in what?
[00:22:44]  Like what?
[00:22:45]  Name the things you're doing.
[00:22:46]  You guys are weaker, dumber, smaller, like, uh...
[00:22:49]  Weaker, dumber...
[00:22:50]  Yeah, literally, like...
[00:22:52]  Less fit, less strong.
[00:22:53]  But fight...
[00:22:53]  Wait, but by these standards, your co-host is inferior to you in every way because he's weaker.
[00:22:58]  He doesn't exercise his mind.
[00:22:59]  So that's my point.
[00:23:00]  That's not what the issue is.
[00:23:02]  He's still superior to you, though.
[00:23:03]  Well, the issue is on the thing.
[00:23:05]  Well, actually, not really.
[00:23:06]  I think I'm actually fitter than Fresh.
[00:23:08]  He's stronger than me, but I think I'm literally fitter than him.
[00:23:10]  And also, when it comes to debates, I tend to do better than him in debates.
[00:23:13]  All the things that you tend to value are the things that he's inferior.
[00:23:16]  The issue is, hold on, just so it's clear.
[00:23:18]  I don't think, I don't think that Fresh is inferior because I don't think that only these things matter to the value of a person.
[00:23:25]  When we talk about things like the Western civilization tradition, if you guys actually care about the American project and what this means, we have to get real about the things that are the precepts of what we believe in.
[00:23:35]  This is things like Christian theology and Aristotelian thinking.
[00:23:39]  And in these precepts, everyone assumes that there is going to be a variety of ways in which people are beneficial.
[00:23:44]  But we don't typically give inferior or superior because we recognize, for example, that while Fresh is not as strong as a debater as you, he's so good at networking.
[00:23:52]  He's really personable.
[00:23:53]  He's really good at like connecting people and you value that.
[00:23:56]  Whereas women are strong at other things.
[00:23:58]  We don't have to be equal.
[00:23:59]  I miss anyone who's valuable.
[00:24:01]  But isn't there, isn't there like, you said Christianity?
[00:24:03]  You know how no one laughed because that's like the oldest joke that's ever been told?
[00:24:07]  Women make sandwiches.
[00:24:09]  You're stupid.
[00:24:10]  Blah, blah, blah.
[00:24:12]  It's like, I'm bored already.
[00:24:15]  All right.
[00:24:16]  Again, I'm still trying to figure out why she's talking.
[00:24:18]  This is not a kitchen.
[00:24:19]  I don't know what's going on right now.
[00:24:22]  I think it's great when you talk, though, because a lot of times people say that there's no need for feminism anymore.
[00:24:29]  And then people hear you talk and you're saying that, you know, women should all be owned by men and all these other things that you say.
[00:24:35]  And people might think differently because you're going to be a lot different new audience is going to see you thanks to me being on this panel.
[00:24:42]  You're welcome, by the way.
[00:24:44]  I don't even know who this, who is this female?
[00:24:46]  I don't even know.
[00:24:48]  She's the ghost of the highest rated show.
[00:24:53]  No one watches mainstream media anymore anyway, so that's fine.
[00:24:55]  Well, do you actually think women should be owned, Myron?
[00:24:57]  She said, do you believe?
[00:24:58]  I mean, it's kind of funny.
[00:24:59]  She's over here all this blah, blah, blah.
[00:25:01]  She's married, which is a male-led institution, which is interesting to me.
[00:25:03]  So it's like she's buying into it, even though she's trying to sit here and be like, I'm kind of like, I'm a feminist, but at the same time, I'm married, blah, blah, blah.
[00:25:10]  It's like, pick one, man.
[00:25:11]  You serve under a man.
[00:25:12]  So it's like, I don't even know why she's talking.
[00:25:15]  I serve under a man.
[00:25:16]  Yeah, you're married to a guy, which marriage in itself is a male-led institution.
[00:25:21]  See, not my marriage.
[00:25:23]  Yeah, we're equal partners.
[00:25:24]  So you wear the pants in your equal partners in my marriage.
[00:25:26]  I know that's crazy that, but it is.
[00:25:29]  The concept of equality is a lie.
[00:25:31]  It's not true.
[00:25:32]  One is always a leader.
[00:25:33]  Who's the leader in your relationship?
[00:25:34]  Who's the decision maker?
[00:25:35]  You or him?
[00:25:36]  Depends on the thing.
[00:25:36]  This is the one.
[00:25:37]  This doesn't make one.
[00:25:38]  Who is the man leader in the relationship?
[00:25:40]  You or him?
[00:25:41]  It depends on the thing.
[00:25:42]  We are equal partners.
[00:25:43]  We've been through a shit ton together.
[00:25:45]  A lot of stuff together, especially recently.

=== Why Men Matter (00:59) ===

[00:25:49]  And I love him very much.
[00:25:50]  He loves me very much.
[00:25:52]  And I would never have a child with somebody who didn't see me as a person.
[00:25:56]  I see a lot of posts on the internet about like the fertility problem and why aren't women having kids?
[00:26:01]  And you look at the comments, you see why maybe women don't want to have kids with, it ain't the women that are the problem a lot of the times.
[00:26:07]  There's a lot of problems with talking about women, why don't women want to have kids and not enough talk about why men aren't becoming, in some cases, the kind of partners that women would not or that women would want to have a child with.
[00:26:18]  I did not meet someone I'd want to have a child with until I met my husband when I was 30.
[00:26:22]  Still trying to figure out who the leader is here.
[00:26:23]  But I'm not going to get run by a committee.
[00:26:28]  I'm going to bring it back to feminism because I think feminism is a key component in relationship breakdown.

=== Feminism's Infantilizing Effect (15:54) ===

[00:26:35]  There was a story several years ago where in New York, women in their 30s could not find men who made as much or more than they did.
[00:26:43]  And it was like a shock to the system.
[00:26:45]  All these writers, all these, these are female writers who various penalties saying, why can't we find good men?
[00:26:50]  And it's, well, because they weren't attracted to guys who made less and they don't want to be with younger guys.
[00:26:55]  So the guys who are the same age as them, who made $50,000 a year, were like, I can date a 24-year-old woman, somebody who wants to have a family and is younger.
[00:27:02]  So guys are aiming for younger women, but women are being told to get jobs and have careers.
[00:27:07]  But you mentioned guys aren't stepping up.
[00:27:09]  I think this creates an inverse problem where for young men, they're either struggling to date because younger women can date older guys through dating apps or women, you know, why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?
[00:27:21]  If you know what I mean.
[00:27:22]  Like you can have sex without like.
[00:27:24]  These guys who are young are like, I don't need a job.
[00:27:27]  I don't need status.
[00:27:27]  Cause if I go to the club and spend 15 bucks on booze, I get laid.
[00:27:30]  Yeah, I mean, I agree.
[00:27:31]  I just think that like this is like the trade-off of agency, right?
[00:27:35]  Like agency is one of the most important things that we can have, the ability to choose, right?
[00:27:41]  Because if you don't have agency, you can't choose to do noble and good things.
[00:27:44]  You can't choose to do bad things.
[00:27:46]  And so I would agree that like when I look at the modern dating culture, first of all, the 24-year-old girls are not like, I'm so ready to settle down and have husbands.
[00:27:53]  They're like, these are the people you're calling whores half the time, right?
[00:27:56]  And so they used to be.
[00:27:58]  Yeah, they used to be.
[00:27:59]  People used to get married and have kids at 22.
[00:28:01]  Sure, but we also died at 55 around the same time.
[00:28:03]  No, we didn't.
[00:28:04]  Yeah.
[00:28:04]  That is not correct.
[00:28:07]  We had that much shorter life expectancy.
[00:28:08]  The short life expectancy was due to the infant mortality rate.
[00:28:11]  People actually who survived infancy would live for a very long time.
[00:28:14]  But while people are living in the world, men were dying in mind.
[00:28:17]  They're not at 50% of the world.
[00:28:18]  No, men were dying in minds and women were all dying in men.
[00:28:21]  And while life expectancy has increased by a few years, racism that isn't changing the fact that society used to be very different.
[00:28:28]  Women pre-feminism were focused on families.
[00:28:32]  And the big social deal was who are you going study with and who are you having a family with?
[00:28:36]  I'm not saying society should be that way.
[00:28:38]  But when that's gone and women start prioritizing what job am I going to have, you're not going to have families at 22 like we used to anymore.
[00:28:44]  And now we're in a fertility crisis and we've got no young people.
[00:28:47]  Gen alpha is only 40 million people.
[00:28:49]  It is half the size of the millennials.
[00:28:51]  Sure.
[00:28:51]  So to this, I would basically say I agree that there has been a lot of cons that have come with giving women agency.
[00:28:57]  I think giving women agency is actually like a deontological good.
[00:29:01]  Letting people choose means that they have the choice to choose the noble things.
[00:29:05]  This is really, really important in Western society specifically.
[00:29:09]  This is the foundation of what we believe in the American project.
[00:29:13]  And so yes, women back then didn't have as many choices.
[00:29:16]  They couldn't own private property.
[00:29:18]  They basically had to be married to a man to have any access or rights or private.
[00:29:21]  They couldn't have a credit card to the 80s.
[00:29:23]  Exactly, right?
[00:29:23]  So women had better times.
[00:29:26]  Women had less agency.
[00:29:27]  Women had less agency.
[00:29:29]  But I would argue that that was a moral failing of society.
[00:29:32]  And just because the outcomes right now might be worse, that doesn't necessarily mean that this is not something that we fundamentally value.
[00:29:39]  We value in America giving people choice.
[00:29:42]  I hear that.
[00:29:42]  I remember, you know, last week we had this big debate on police.
[00:29:44]  And I think the shortcomings for Michael Malice, which I respect the guy, he's a good friend, but he kept saying police were bad.
[00:29:51]  And it sounded like all he was saying was, yes, there are big problems with police and there's no alternative or the system will always be bad in some way, but there is a worse.
[00:29:59]  So I look at this now and I'm like, okay, you know, I agree to a certain degree on the deontological aspect of people should have free choice.
[00:30:06]  You want to have a job, you can do it.
[00:30:07]  You want to have finances, all that's fine.
[00:30:08]  Is the end result then that Gen Alpha is 40 million and collapsing and there won't be any humans in the future or cities are going to start shrinking.
[00:30:17]  Infrastructure is going to start crumbling and we're going to go, you know, it was a moral good to make sure that we had this semblance of equality under the law and then society was destroyed by it.
[00:30:26]  Well, equity of agency does mean bad outcomes sometimes.
[00:30:29]  The issue is that I'm not opposed to people strongly.
[00:30:31]  Which proves that when women have agency, things go bad.
[00:30:34]  Nope.
[00:30:34]  Actually, when most people have agency, people make terrible choices, right?
[00:30:38]  When we give young men free agency, what's the window where young men do the most crime?
[00:30:42]  It's typically the areas, ages, where they get the most amount of agency.
[00:30:45]  People, when they are given choice, often choose poorly, but that's not the reason we don't give them choice.
[00:30:51]  Because if we don't give them choice, they are enslaved to correct action because of necessity.
[00:30:57]  And that's not the world that we want to live in.
[00:30:59]  We want people to choose the noble thing because they are choosing to do so.
[00:31:02]  Now, here's the thing.
[00:31:03]  Wait, wait, wait.
[00:31:04]  I see your perspective with agency.
[00:31:05]  I see that.
[00:31:06]  But we need to be honest with women.
[00:31:07]  The problem is that we're not honest with women, right?
[00:31:09]  We don't tell them, look, if you want to pursue a career, you want to make money, your chances of finding a guy down the road are going to be significantly harder.
[00:31:15]  We don't tell them if you decide to be promiscuous now, it's going to cost you later on.
[00:31:18]  We tell women they should be able to do whatever they want and not deal with consequences of their actions.
[00:31:22]  In other words, go ahead and be on OnlyFans and you'll still find a guy that's 6'3 making $100,000 a month that's going to take you seriously.
[00:31:27]  It's not going to happen.
[00:31:28]  Sure.
[00:31:28]  So we're not honest with women about what happens.
[00:31:30]  And the reason why is because women don't really deal with the consequences of their bad decisions a lot of times until it's too late.
[00:31:35]  At least with men, if I'm a loser, I have to deal with the consequences of being a loser.
[00:31:38]  Women don't.
[00:31:39]  We don't tell them the truth because financially there's no incentive to tell women the truth because women are consumers.
[00:31:43]  So we want to tell them what sounds good.
[00:31:45]  So they continue to consume.
[00:31:46]  Bro, real quick, it's like how Unilever owns Ben and Jerry's and they own Dove's Real Beauty Campaign.
[00:31:53]  It's like telling all these women, hey, you're beautiful if you're fat.
[00:31:55]  By the way, here's our ice cream, eat more of it.
[00:31:57]  Yeah.
[00:31:57]  We don't tell women, we don't tell women the truth, which is one of my biggest problems.
[00:32:00]  Like, if we want to give them agency, that's fine.
[00:32:02]  But at least let's let them know this is what your agency comes with.
[00:32:05]  And if you decide to go down this road, this was going to happen.
[00:32:07]  We don't tell women the truth, which is one of the biggest issues.
[00:32:08]  I'm totally with you, actually.
[00:32:09]  So one of my biggest frustrations with feminism, as somebody who's defending feminism, which is funny because feminists really don't like me a lot of the time, is that I think that we have done a lot of infantilizing of women.
[00:32:19]  I think that infantilizing of women was a form of sexism that came with low agency.
[00:32:23]  And the issue is that women are being like, we want agency, but also babyists.
[00:32:26]  And I think that that's a bad thing.
[00:32:28]  The issue is that I have no issue with you saying, women, you should have a family.
[00:32:32]  It's the thing that you will come to love the most.
[00:32:34]  You should be more careful in who you're selecting.
[00:32:36]  I don't have any issue with this.
[00:32:38]  I have an issue with you taking away my rights because that takes away my agency.
[00:32:42]  Well, a lot of times we have to take your agency away so you make the right decisions.
[00:32:45]  That's the problem.
[00:32:46]  Well, the issues that work for you.
[00:32:47]  That's not meaningful.
[00:32:47]  That's not a problem.
[00:32:48]  Because when you leave women, well, here's the thing.
[00:32:49]  When you leave women to their own devices, they make really bad decisions.
[00:32:52]  When you leave men to their own divisions, look at the way society is now where the nuclear family is crumbling.
[00:32:57]  When you give women their own decisions, they make really bad decisions.
[00:32:59]  This is why the father was so important because we would keep our daughters off the shirt polls and our sons out of jail.
[00:33:04]  At least with men, however, when we do dumb shit, we deal with consequences.
[00:33:07]  How many men are addicted to porn?
[00:33:09]  They don't deal with consequences.
[00:33:09]  How many men are addicted to porn?
[00:33:11]  Here's the thing, though.
[00:33:11]  They're addicted to porn because you're right.
[00:33:13]  You're right.
[00:33:14]  But again, they deal with consequences for being fucking losers.
[00:33:17]  Women don't.
[00:33:18]  That's my point.
[00:33:19]  Women do because they turn.
[00:33:20]  Wait, hold on.
[00:33:21]  Of course they do.
[00:33:22]  You already said that if they go on and they have all this career and stuff, they're going to be less likely to find a man.
[00:33:26]  That is the consequence of their choice.
[00:33:28]  But they don't find out until it's too late, is my point.
[00:33:30]  The issue is that most men are addicted to porn, don't discover how much it's fucking up their sex lives until they actually get a girlfriend and they can't decide their girlfriend.
[00:33:37]  That's the issue with porn addiction.
[00:33:39]  Sure, sure.
[00:33:39]  So hold on.
[00:33:41]  Myron, you want to ban porn?
[00:33:42]  Do I, oh, man, it has a lot of, dude, I'm very close to, yeah.
[00:33:47]  I want a nanny state, guys.
[00:33:48]  I think it needs to be regulated in a way.
[00:33:49]  I think we need to regulate it.
[00:33:50]  You want to ban porn?
[00:33:51]  I think it's a problem.
[00:33:52]  You don't want, you know, you don't, but what about all those problems you just named?
[00:33:55]  Again, I don't want to ban drugs, even though drugs cause addiction a lot of time.
[00:33:59]  I want people to make choices and I want there to be off-ramps for bad choices as much as possible.
[00:34:04]  But at the end of the day, I want people to make a noble choice.
[00:34:07]  If I sit my kid down, hold on.
[00:34:08]  If I sit my kid down and I say carrots or broccoli and they choose carrots, I'm not going to be like, wow, my kid's picking healthy food.
[00:34:15]  No, they were forced to the correct action by necessity.
[00:34:19]  I don't want that system to do it.
[00:34:19]  What do you have ice cream today?
[00:34:21]  What if you said broccoli, carrots, ice cream?
[00:34:22]  What are they going to do?
[00:34:23]  Now they have agency.
[00:34:24]  And what are they going to pick?
[00:34:24]  They're probably going to pick ice cream for a long time.
[00:34:26]  Fuck yeah, ice cream every time.
[00:34:27]  Yeah.
[00:34:27]  So here's the job.
[00:34:31]  This is not to a great disagree, but it's a philosophical moral question.
[00:34:34]  You keep saying, yes, these bad things are going to happen, but we should be able to choose.
[00:34:38]  If that system leads to the end of humanity, is it the right choice?
[00:34:42]  that system has led to America as it is today.
[00:34:44]  And I think America- No, that's not correct.
[00:34:46]  It absolutely is.
[00:34:47]  It's technically it is.
[00:34:47]  Hold on.
[00:34:48]  False crime.
[00:34:49]  Well, what is Western civilization?
[00:34:50]  Western civilization is Greek philosophy.
[00:34:53]  It's Roman bureaucracy and law.
[00:34:55]  And it is Christian theology.
[00:34:56]  That's the foundations of Western society.
[00:35:00]  And all of these systems value individualism.
[00:35:03]  It values your ability to make choices, including bad choices.
[00:35:08]  So let me ask you, is it like, it's nice to have your door open on a nice, cool summer night?
[00:35:13]  You know?
[00:35:14]  It feels good.
[00:35:15]  And then at three in the morning, one day a guy breaks into your house.
[00:35:18]  Yes, you can mention that there are good systems that lead to comfortability and success, but eventually those can create security problems for your society, which creates the ebb and flow of security states.
[00:35:28]  Exactly.
[00:35:28]  The problems are going to get so bad that more Myrons are going to start emerging because they're going to say, crime is way too high.
[00:35:36]  Women keep voting for Democrats overwhelmingly, and whether that's whether the reason is that women voted for Democrats, that's what they identify, and then it's going to lead to some kind of social disorder and then an authoritarian shift.
[00:35:48]  Sure.
[00:35:48]  So there's this.
[00:35:49]  Kamalu would be president right now if we had to rely on female votes.
[00:35:52]  Probably.
[00:35:53]  Yeah.
[00:35:54]  That's bad.
[00:35:55]  It'd be a Democrat supermajority across the country.
[00:35:57]  So there's this concept.
[00:35:58]  I wish I could remember what it's called, but it's this idea how essentially sometimes the advocacy, the social advocacy itself prevents the bad thing from happening.
[00:36:06]  So let me give an example.
[00:36:07]  You guys are familiar with Jordan Peterson, Bill C-16.
[00:36:10]  He was super worried about, are you guys familiar with this?
[00:36:14]  I don't have to like summarize it.
[00:36:15]  You guys are familiar with this?
[00:36:16]  Great.
[00:36:17]  Okay.
[00:36:17]  He lost that, didn't he?
[00:36:18]  He did.
[00:36:18]  But one of his arguments for why he was doing it is he was saying this might lead to some sort of authoritarian control on free speech.
[00:36:25]  And a whole bunch of people, like, especially on my side, were like, you're so stupid.
[00:36:28]  The issue is that it is very likely that his advocacy against C-16 is part of what informed Congress's interpretation of that bill to make it less authoritarian.
[00:36:39]  I don't have an issue with you guys saying women should be more cautious.
[00:36:42]  Women aren't being very smart.
[00:36:44]  I don't have an issue with that.
[00:36:45]  That's free speech.
[00:36:46]  And that is some of the things that will probably offset the degradation of society that you're maybe worried about if I agree with your worldview.
[00:36:53]  What I care about is taking away rights.
[00:36:55]  That's it.
[00:36:56]  That's my hard line.
[00:36:57]  Don't take away that.
[00:36:57]  Once again, let me ask you the question.
[00:36:59]  If the system you have described leads to the end of humanity, was it a good system?
[00:37:04]  I would have to believe you that the American project will lead to the end of society.
[00:37:08]  I just don't think it will.
[00:37:09]  The question is, let's try this again.
[00:37:11]  Sure.
[00:37:12]  If a system of open and free choice would ultimately, would ultimately lead to the end of civilization, human death and extinction, is it a good system?
[00:37:20]  Nope.
[00:37:20]  But I don't think that that's the system that we have.
[00:37:22]  So at what point in the current trends would it get bad enough for you to believe we are on track for civilizational collapse?
[00:37:31]  Would it be like fertility at 0.3 or 0.6?
[00:37:34]  No, no, that's tough because the fertility issue is way less about feminism and way more about our terrible food and our agriculture.
[00:37:41]  I disagree.
[00:37:43]  Well, like you guys just talked about E and testosterone.
[00:37:45]  Like that's really bad for fertility.
[00:37:47]  Well, you know, they do say that actually, I've seen that earlier about the microplastics.
[00:37:51]  Men are to blame for the fertility issue, too.
[00:37:53]  They are.
[00:37:55]  By all means, we can mention that guys have gotten weaker and whinier, whatever you want to say.
[00:37:59]  But the reality is, I won't make any excuses for, I didn't have a family in my 20s.
[00:38:04]  I just had a kid for the first time.
[00:38:06]  Congratulations.
[00:38:07]  Where was my generation, men and women, to be like, it is a social imperative to have a family now sorted out?
[00:38:14]  For all the young guys, men were told sexual liberation, you don't need to have a family, who cares, birth control and abortions in every major city.
[00:38:23]  And now, Gen Alpha, I don't think people realize how insane it is that the upcoming generation that are 15 years old at their oldest, there's only 40 million already.
[00:38:33]  And actually, I'm a big fan of this part.
[00:38:34]  Universities are shutting down.
[00:38:37]  18 years on from the financial collapse in 0708, people my age didn't have any kids.
[00:38:42]  There are no 18-year-olds to go to university or to start jobs.
[00:38:46]  And so companies are struggling to hire.
[00:38:48]  Universities are shutting down.
[00:38:49]  And this is just the beginning of fertility collapse.
[00:38:52]  Now, if we had a society that told men, and even, and I'm saying even with choice, they said to men, guys, you should strive to be the best, the strongest, the boss.
[00:39:02]  Women, choose what you want, but social pressure is be a mom, have a family, help society continue.
[00:39:10]  If that was the route we went and we still had social pressures on having kids, we wouldn't be in this fertility crisis.
[00:39:15]  I actually just agree with you.
[00:39:16]  The issue is that I think the way for the government to manage it isn't to like take away women's right to vote.
[00:39:20]  It would be things like child tax credits.
[00:39:22]  Like, didn't the BBB actually include a really big child tax credit?
[00:39:26]  One of the reasons why people don't have kids in a lot of like high-income areas is because of wealth disparity.
[00:39:31]  I mean, it's like $45,000.
[00:39:33]  The principal reason is always cultural.
[00:39:35]  I agree.
[00:39:35]  I agree, right?
[00:39:36]  And so we live in a society that needs to be saying, what do you mean you don't have kids?
[00:39:40]  That's crazy.
[00:39:41]  Instead, we live in a society where it's like, don't have kids.
[00:39:43]  It's bad for the environment.
[00:39:44]  Sure, and we kind of hate kids, right?
[00:39:45]  Like, there's a lot of families that move.
[00:39:46]  It's just the argument would be like, I mean, to bring up the Jews, Israel is my favorite time.
[00:39:54]  One of your favorite topics.
[00:39:55]  But let's just use a good example of a high-income country that actually has a really strong cultural value on family.
[00:40:02]  They have a fuckload of kids.
[00:40:04]  Those people, they're all having lots and lots of kids and they're meeting the replacement level.
[00:40:08]  And so I'm not opposed.
[00:40:09]  I agree with you.
[00:40:10]  The idea that we told a bunch of young people, hey, remember how the much the boomer sucked?
[00:40:14]  You shouldn't have kids.
[00:40:15]  Your life will be better.
[00:40:16]  It turns out when everyone's dead and dying, everyone says the same thing.
[00:40:19]  They wish they had more family connections and they wish they spent more time with them.
[00:40:23]  Absolutely having kids matters.
[00:40:24]  But make it more affordable, give them tax incentives, incentivize the behavior that we want to see, and encourage it.
[00:40:30]  But don't integrate women's right to vote.
[00:40:31]  That's not going to change anything.
[00:40:32]  Let me ask you a question.
[00:40:33]  Do you think a system that cannot survive, like, I don't know how to ask this question, but if a system cannot survive, does it matter in the long run?
[00:40:41]  Like, there have been very few anarchist communes that have existed as forms of government, like Catalonia.
[00:40:46]  They get crushed immediately by barbarians.
[00:40:47]  I don't know.
[00:40:48]  Like, does Rome matter even though that got crushed?
[00:40:50]  Yeah, I would say it does.
[00:40:51]  Yeah, Rome was an empire with...
[00:40:52]  So was America.
[00:40:54]  Indeed.
[00:40:54]  So I'm talking about anarchist systems that they don't function.
[00:40:59]  They don't work.
[00:40:59]  It's this idea it emerges and immediately gets crushed.
[00:41:01]  The point I'm making is right now, there is a first, I will point out the humor of the person on stage and that Myron doesn't have any kids.
[00:41:08]  Right.
[00:41:09]  And Kat does.
[00:41:10]  And so Myron loses that genetic debate.
[00:41:11]  I'm waiting.
[00:41:12]  But if the end result of this is- Well, I got time on like you guys.
[00:41:16]  But so the end result.
[00:41:17]  That's what everyone's saying.
[00:41:18]  Yeah, I think.
[00:41:20]  Let me finish.
[00:41:21]  Let me finish this point.
[00:41:22]  The end result is that liberals with these feminist sensibilities are less likely to have kids, more likely to abort, and shockingly more likely to surgically amputate the genitals of their children than conservatives who are less feminist and more traditional.
[00:41:36]  You can do whatever the fuck you want on TV as long as that fertility trend continues and it is happening.
[00:41:43]  There's going to be a collapse of the feminist ideology and conservatives will take over in 50 to 60 years because there are no liberals being born.
[00:41:51]  But the issue is that like typically conservatives children go to school and then they're like, wait.
[00:41:56]  And universities are shutting down.
[00:41:57]  Sure.
[00:41:58]  And Trump is gutting the Department of Education.
[00:42:00]  Conservatives are winning this battle.
[00:42:01]  And I want to stress this one.
[00:42:02]  Tim, I want to stress a little sweatier, though, aren't they?
[00:42:06]  But I want to stress this one point.
[00:42:07]  I was talking to Kyla before the show.

=== Cultural Shifts and Democracy (03:19) ===

[00:42:09]  On the culture war, we may not have abject victory, but South Park has made fun of Donald Trump.
[00:42:16]  Now, why?
[00:42:17]  Is it because he's friends with Epstein?
[00:42:19]  No.
[00:42:20]  Is it because his tariff policy is bad?
[00:42:21]  No.
[00:42:21]  It's because he's gay and they called him a f  ⁇ ing.
[00:42:25]  When South Park says to mainstream liberals, Trump is bad and it's because he's gay, and that's what they're making fun of, that's a cultural shift so far to the right, it is shocking in a short period of time.
[00:42:36]  I mean, I would just argue it's a shift towards the center.
[00:42:39]  Like most libertarians.
[00:42:40]  Sure.
[00:42:40]  And as an edgy liberal, I've always been for like free speech and language.
[00:42:43]  I don't care if you call people like they.
[00:42:45]  And Gen Z guys are shifting rightward.
[00:42:47]  Gen Z is the first generation in 100 years to begin shifting rightward.
[00:42:50]  And I think a large reason, not the only reason, is fertility rates, which we saw in the 2000s among liberals at about 1.43 and conservatives 2.01, meaning in 18 years, there will be 20 or so percent more conservatives than liberals based on who their parents teach them.
[00:43:07]  Again, but that's assuming that these people don't over time shift back leftwards, right?
[00:43:11]  And I think if I could just resign a little bit, I want to address that.
[00:43:15]  Sorry, sorry for talking so much, but I just want to address that point because you mentioned it already about the universities.
[00:43:19]  That's why I brought up South Park.
[00:43:21]  The cultural shift is pronounced.
[00:43:23]  The liberal woke stuff was shifted so rapidly in the course of a couple of years that when you mention universities and the cultural trends to pull conservative kids left, that's shifted dramatically.
[00:43:34]  I agree, but I think assuming something like the universities are going to go away, like the university institution has been around for like 2,000 years.
[00:43:42]  I don't think universities are going away.
[00:43:44]  And generally, universities tend to trend left because people who are leftward are high openness to experience, so they tend to like things like learning and education, right?
[00:43:52]  What I think is actually more important here is has the left failed to indoctrinate within its culture a value of children?
[00:43:59]  I would just say, yeah, I think it has, right?
[00:44:01]  But one thing that I would caution you towards, right, when you write this doomsday of feminism leading to the collapse and decay of all of society, when you look at cultural trends, they're always ebbing and flowing back and forth because one side starts winning the culture war and the political war.
[00:44:15]  They get too much power.
[00:44:16]  They become kind of assholes because a lot of us are assholes with power.
[00:44:19]  And then the other side kind of populates and becomes more popular again, right?
[00:44:22]  And we've seen this dance back and forth between left and right winning the culture war and leading all the time.
[00:44:29]  This is kind of what democracy is.
[00:44:30]  In fact, that's the fundamentals of what democracy is.
[00:44:32]  And so I don't think that we should be looking at feminism going, this is going to lead to the death and decay of society.
[00:44:37]  We should go, what parts of it are bad?
[00:44:39]  What parts of the institutions are bad?
[00:44:41]  What things need to be corrected?
[00:44:43]  And how do we correct them?
[00:44:44]  Because so far, the miracle of the American Project is pretty damn fucking good.
[00:44:48]  It's actually the best thing that's ever happened in human history, probably ever.
[00:44:52]  Okay?
[00:44:53]  We love that.
[00:44:54]  That's pretty nuanced.
[00:44:55]  I think that's a correct answer.
[00:44:56]  Give it up for Nazarene.
[00:44:57]  I think we're going to agree to that.
[00:44:59]  It is a good answer.
[00:44:59]  But I do want to make one point that's going on right now with Washington, D.C. is, and it's not, it's not, you know, Trump focuses on D.C., but Chicago, all these big cities.
[00:45:08]  Like the cities?
[00:45:09]  Okay.
[00:45:09]  It's insane how disgusting and crime-ridden our cities have become.
[00:45:12]  I mean, we saw a tent city on the way here, and there's two questions.

=== Trans Women and Public Space (03:48) ===

[00:45:16]  Why does the city allow this?
[00:45:17]  And I don't mean to forcefully remove people with no choice.
[00:45:21]  You can make the liberal argument of why are they not trying to help these people to solve that problem?
[00:45:25]  Or the conservative argument, why are they allowing people to camp on their streets?
[00:45:28]  But let's see.
[00:45:29]  Yeah, and we've got to get to people.
[00:45:30]  And one thing we didn't talk about, but one point I wanted to make earlier, the aspect of trans people taking, no, seriously, taking over women's space, because you don't think that trans women are a threat to actual femininity or whatever.
[00:45:42]  I mean, like, I'm not sure if it's a very good question.
[00:45:44]  Like a trans person going into a woman's restroom.
[00:45:46]  Like, isn't that exactly?
[00:45:47]  I'm just for co-ed westrooms because if you've ever seen like men's bathrooms versus travel, get a passport, I promise.
[00:45:54]  In Europe, they have mostly oftentimes co-ed bathrooms.
[00:45:57]  And one of the best things about it.
[00:45:58]  Like nightclubs.
[00:45:59]  No, no, no.
[00:46:00]  Like on like public streets, like all through like Venice and stuff.
[00:46:02]  I remember going to co-ed bathrooms in the UK.
[00:46:04]  Like in France, it was like totally normal.
[00:46:07]  Surprise, surprise.
[00:46:08]  France.
[00:46:08]  Yes, in France.
[00:46:10]  And one thing that I would actually point out here is if you've ever seen the lines between like the male bathroom and the woman bathroom, it would be great if we were sharing the same space.
[00:46:16]  Okay?
[00:46:16]  Come on, get women's bathroom away.
[00:46:18]  I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
[00:46:21]  I'm very passionate about this.
[00:46:22]  I'm very passionate about this.
[00:46:24]  Sometimes the woman's bathroom is fucking disgusting because women will not sit on the seat.
[00:46:29]  If you could just sit, everyone could sit.
[00:46:31]  They like hover over and they like, it looks like they were hula hooping and pissing all over the place.
[00:46:37]  It's disgusting.
[00:46:38]  It could just be.
[00:46:39]  These guys really want you to know how dirty they're about.
[00:46:42]  Yeah, no, I'm sure they are, but you'd be, if we could just sit, then we could all sit.
[00:46:46]  See, men are better at everything.
[00:46:48]  Even athropists.
[00:46:49]  We could all sit.
[00:46:51]  You can't even pee correctly.
[00:46:53]  I didn't say that.
[00:46:54]  She's crazy.
[00:46:54]  Do you guys say this?
[00:46:56]  There's a very funny story.
[00:46:58]  Real quick, we're going to go to the audience, but there was a really funny story where this woman was an Antarctic researcher complaining about sexism because she couldn't stand up and piss in Antarctica.
[00:47:07]  And so she was insisting that the U.S. spend research, like their research grant money, on building outhouses in the middle of Antarctica because it was sexist that men could unzip and release and she couldn't.
[00:47:18]  And she didn't think it was, she didn't want to use one of those funnels.
[00:47:20]  They have the funnel, yeah.
[00:47:22]  Anyway, my mom's for years.
[00:47:24]  We're not spending money out of it.
[00:47:25]  The penis tech is a good tech, I will say.
[00:47:27]  That shit of spraying around, that's pretty cool.
[00:47:29]  All right, guys, this has been a good debate so far.
[00:47:32]  Yeah, I got the list right here.
[00:47:33]  Okay, guys, so what we're gonna do is we're gonna pick some names and you're gonna immediately haul ass to this side of the stage where I'm pointing.
[00:47:39]  We're gonna have a microphone.
[00:47:40]  If you're good for a minute, we might bring you on stage.
[00:47:42]  If you suck, we're gonna make you sit down, okay?
[00:47:44]  So even though we know what Alex thinks about you.
[00:47:47]  Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm just gonna be open and honest, guys.
[00:47:50]  All right, so our first person that we're calling is Armand Gupta.
[00:47:56]  Where's Armand Gupta?
[00:47:57]  Is Armand here?
[00:47:59]  I think Alex is the first person.
[00:48:00]  I think I'm gonna kick him off.
[00:48:01]  Yeah, Armand.
[00:48:02]  Is Armand Gupta here?
[00:48:05]  Armand, is your audience?
[00:48:06]  I don't see anything because Dr. Gupta.
[00:48:08]  Come on down.
[00:48:09]  Is he here?
[00:48:10]  I guess he's not here.
[00:48:10]  Okay, well, then.
[00:48:11]  All right, I like this person.
[00:48:14]  Ava Terry.
[00:48:15]  Is Ava Terry here?
[00:48:17]  Ava, come on down.
[00:48:18]  Look at this.
[00:48:19]  Rapid response.
[00:48:20]  All right, Ava, you got one minute.
[00:48:22]  Okay, it's Eva.
[00:48:24]  Nice to see you guys.
[00:48:25]  My first thing I would like to say is the man on the far left over here, what was your name again?
[00:48:32]  Myron.
[00:48:33]  Myron.
[00:48:33]  Myron, yeah.
[00:48:34]  I would just like to say that your rhetoric sounds exactly like third wave radical feminism, but for a man.
[00:48:39]  And I was just wondering how you expect to solve a problem by doing the exact same thing that you think is the problem.

=== Men's Leadership Error Reduction (09:30) ===

[00:48:47]  Well, because when men have monopoly of power, good things happen.
[00:48:50]  Women have it.
[00:48:50]  Society is a lot of fun.
[00:48:51]  Come on up, come on.
[00:48:51]  Come on up, Ava.
[00:48:52]  That's good.
[00:48:52]  She's smarter.
[00:48:53]  The other way.
[00:48:53]  She's come this way.
[00:48:54]  No, this way.
[00:48:55]  I like that.
[00:48:56]  I like it.
[00:48:57]  This is spicy.
[00:48:58]  Yeah, yeah, making fun of Myron.
[00:49:00]  Eva, Eva.
[00:49:00]  Give it up, Eva.
[00:49:02]  All right.
[00:49:03]  Eva, Ava, Ava.
[00:49:05]  Eva.
[00:49:06]  Like from Wallow.
[00:49:09]  Is it Eva or Igua?
[00:49:10]  Eva.
[00:49:11]  Eva.
[00:49:11]  Okay.
[00:49:12]  So explain why Myron was wrong again.
[00:49:15]  She said I'm radical, basically.
[00:49:17]  Well, I just think that your rhetoric is exactly the same thing that you hate.
[00:49:21]  Okay.
[00:49:22]  And I was wondering how you think that's going to solve the problem.
[00:49:26]  If women hating men is what has caused this problem in the first place, how is men hating women going to fix it?
[00:49:33]  Yeah, so it's not us hating you guys.
[00:49:35]  It's just us realizing that you guys are not equal to us and we have to be the custodians of women.
[00:49:39]  We have to protect and provide for you guys.
[00:49:40]  I'm actually very big into a traditional relationship where the man is a leader, protects, and provides for his woman, and all she has to worry about is making sandwiches and taking care of the kids.
[00:49:48]  And I think that's how society's thrived for a long time.
[00:49:50]  So it's actually the contrary.
[00:49:51]  I think men need to protect women from themselves a lot of the times because I don't think women in positions of power leads to a great society.
[00:49:57]  So one other thing that you said earlier was that men being in power has led to a great history.
[00:50:04]  Yes.
[00:50:04]  Do you think that the history of men being in power is flawless?
[00:50:08]  No, there's always going to be flaws with human error in general.
[00:50:10]  So human error in general, that includes men and women.
[00:50:12]  And why would women have more error than men?
[00:50:15]  Well, here's the thing.
[00:50:16]  We don't have any matriarchies that have stood the test of time, really.
[00:50:19]  Everything that's been successful has been a patriarchy.
[00:50:22]  So there's a bunch of beehives.
[00:50:25]  We're not bees.
[00:50:26]  Yeah, we're not bees.
[00:50:27]  I hate Saudi.
[00:50:28]  Except for beevi.
[00:50:29]  We're not bees.
[00:50:30]  Sorry, Ava.
[00:50:31]  We're not bees.
[00:50:32]  Wait, but if we just granted your evolutionary argument of like development, yeah, patriarchies have been the most competitive.
[00:50:37]  And now what we're seeing is that an egalitarian society that includes women in like the workforce and the right to vote are the most successful societies in modern.
[00:50:44]  Like it seems like we've just continued to advance.
[00:50:46]  And the next level of advancement is the inclusion of women.
[00:50:49]  No, I don't think that's a good idea.
[00:50:50]  I don't know what to tell you.
[00:50:50]  History disagrees.
[00:50:51]  No, again, feminism has led to so many problems with this whole egalitarianism because again.
[00:50:58]  So Saudi Arabia is better than America.
[00:50:59]  I'm sorry?
[00:51:00]  Saudi Arabia is better than America.
[00:51:01]  We're back.
[00:51:02]  You are correct about that, but they have some things in better check than we do when it comes to dealing with their women, right?
[00:51:07]  But yes, to go back to what we're saying, I think a male-led society is going to fare off a lot better than a female-led society is my point.
[00:51:13]  Everything is going to be prone to human error, but I think when men are in charge, there's going to be less error.
[00:51:18]  Do you?
[00:51:19]  Okay.
[00:51:21]  Hmm.
[00:51:22]  I would just say to that, that Throughout history, you know, and you think about all of the major wars and everything.
[00:51:32]  Are we in a significantly different place on a world cultural scale than men-led societies?
[00:51:39]  I'm a little confused by your question.
[00:51:41]  Are you saying, like, are we...
[00:51:42]  With women having the right to vote, has that changed?
[00:51:46]  Have there been more wars since women have been given the right to vote?
[00:51:50]  I mean, yes.
[00:51:51]  I would say that.
[00:51:52]  Yeah.
[00:51:52]  In the United States?
[00:51:54]  And without declaration of war.
[00:51:55]  Yeah.
[00:51:55]  Are you saying like in the United States?
[00:51:57]  Yeah, you could make the argument.
[00:51:58]  Yeah.
[00:51:58]  I mean, again, my thing is, I think that men are better than women and everything that matters.
[00:52:05]  And I think men need to lead society.
[00:52:07]  And I think women should be focusing on having children and families versus chasing a career.
[00:52:11]  And if we are going to allow them to go ahead and chase a career, let's at least be honest with them and let them know that this is going to come with some very serious consequences that might lead to your long-term sorrow, sadness, anti-depression medication, etc.
[00:52:22]  I just don't think that we're honest with women about where they stand.
[00:52:25]  Would you have children through an artificial womb?
[00:52:28]  No.
[00:52:29]  If men are so much better than women, then why are they failing so much at things like education and achieving like high, high-status jobs?
[00:52:35]  Why are women?
[00:52:36]  The education system is literally geared towards women.
[00:52:38]  So women have been like more powerful.
[00:52:39]  Sitting down and being submissive and listening to someone lecture you.
[00:52:41]  I just, I don't, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
[00:52:44]  But hold on.
[00:52:45]  Career-wise, almost most of the fortune, most of the Fortune 500 companies are run by men.
[00:52:50]  I agree.
[00:52:50]  But the issue is that if men are so much better than women, then how are we in this position where suddenly men are also being destroyed by society and crushed by them?
[00:52:58]  We can't have these two mutually exclusive things at the same time.
[00:53:01]  What I would actually argue is that men are stupid in a lot of stupid ways.
[00:53:04]  You guys punch things, stop doing that.
[00:53:06]  You guys masturbate all the time, stop doing that, chill out.
[00:53:10]  Women masturbate too.
[00:53:11]  Women, but a lot fucking less.
[00:53:14]  Bro, there's a battery-powered dildo.
[00:53:16]  I know you guys mad.
[00:53:17]  Billions to be made.
[00:53:18]  Nobody's going to make the argument that porn is.
[00:53:20]  The WNBA has just become the dildo show.
[00:53:22]  Yes.
[00:53:23]  Sure.
[00:53:23]  More dildos in the WBA.
[00:53:27]  Sure.
[00:53:28]  But nobody would argue that women are actually consuming more porn than men.
[00:53:31]  Porn is obviously dominantly male-consumed and male.
[00:53:33]  OnlyFans is mostly purchased for by men, okay?
[00:53:36]  Yeah, bad men.
[00:53:39]  But I don't want to stress this point.
[00:53:40]  Goddamn generous argument, but there's an argument.
[00:53:43]  Come up.
[00:53:43]  Submit your name, guys, if you want to talk to me.
[00:53:45]  Greater male variability hypothesis.
[00:53:48]  There are a shitload of really shitty guys, but there's a smaller amount of substantially more successful, intelligent, and strong guys than women.
[00:53:58]  This is like the hypergamy argument.
[00:54:00]  No, it's the greater male variability.
[00:54:02]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:54:02]  I would agree.
[00:54:03]  Like when you look at like the extreme ends of genetics, right?
[00:54:06]  Men tend to be the stupidest and the smartest, right?
[00:54:08]  Like if you look at the lowest IQ individuals.
[00:54:10]  Sorry, guys, it's men.
[00:54:12]  But when you look at the highest IQ individuals, it's also men, right?
[00:54:15]  Women are a lot more stable in a lot of things, which is, I think, one of the things that, yes, stable.
[00:54:19]  For example, their bell curve is more flattened, right?
[00:54:22]  You're not going to get the extreme ends on either side.
[00:54:25]  Which is good for a society.
[00:54:25]  Let me ask you a question.
[00:54:26]  Is it better for society to be led by the smartest individuals?
[00:54:31]  not always necessarily at like the at this idea of a stupider individual Well, no, like mostly virtuous.
[00:54:36]  I want the society.
[00:54:37]  Well, no, no, irrespective of virtue.
[00:54:39]  Let's assume that we're aiming for virtuous people.
[00:54:41]  Would we, of the virtuous, of the virtuous people we've identified, we want the smartest of them.
[00:54:47]  Well, because there's two parts of our brain.
[00:54:49]  There's a logical part.
[00:54:50]  I got to ask this question.
[00:54:52]  He wanted to appeal to my feelings, too.
[00:54:55]  Let's say we've looked at the most virtuous people in the country.
[00:54:58]  Would we want to choose the smartest of them to be our leaders?
[00:55:01]  Assuming that they're actually qualified, sure, I suppose.
[00:55:05]  Like aptitude.
[00:55:06]  Let's say aptitude.
[00:55:07]  Yeah, sure.
[00:55:07]  The highest aptitude.
[00:55:08]  I just think that for the most part, when it comes to leadership, it's more about a prerequisite, which is a really high prerequisite.
[00:55:13]  But then after that, my point is when you look at Fortune 500 companies, with or without feminism, the only way to get parity of female leaders is through force.
[00:55:22]  I don't see it.
[00:55:22]  I'm saying through social force.
[00:55:23]  I don't want parity.
[00:55:24]  I'm not saying anything.
[00:55:25]  I'm just making this point that with the greater male variability hypothesis, you are going to see most world leaders will always be men.
[00:55:31]  Most CEOs will always be men.
[00:55:33]  The top physical performers will be men.
[00:55:35]  Most of the homeless will be men.
[00:55:36]  Most of the drugs involved in the menu.
[00:55:37]  Point of men will be men.
[00:55:38]  Point of making is there are very, very few positions of power and authority.
[00:55:42]  And because there are going to be a greater, there's a greater male variability and aptitude, you will always see these positions dominated by men.
[00:55:49]  However, modern feminism, especially throughout the past 80 years or so, always has said it's a patriarchy run by men.
[00:55:55]  No, it's a system run by those most capable that happen to be men.
[00:55:58]  Well, I want to make this argument, though, and it's an oversimplification, but basically our brain has two hemispheres, right and left, and there's one that they consider more emotional and one that's more logical.
[00:56:07]  And that they say men use the logical side and women use the emotional side more.
[00:56:11]  And I would argue that if you're more emotionally intelligent, that could make up for your logical intelligence.
[00:56:16]  So even though you're not like a brainiac, a woman that has smart emotional intelligence can be just as successful.
[00:56:22]  You don't agree to open your paws.
[00:56:23]  I know, guys, I'm just saying, you don't agree that how that can, or I guess Myron, I mean, you don't think that that can overcome for logical intelligence, emotional intelligence?
[00:56:30]  That's not a thing.
[00:56:31]  Well, that is a thing.
[00:56:32]  There's emotional stability and rationality.
[00:56:34]  There's emotional intelligence.
[00:56:35]  That's a real thing.
[00:56:35]  Yeah, because it makes it like when somebody provokes you, whether you react, men are more reactionary.
[00:56:39]  Women are less reactionary.
[00:56:40]  So the emotional part of your brain is actually very important.
[00:56:43]  Even when you're driving, like if you get mad in Road Rage, like more greater male variability of stuff.
[00:56:48]  Like the guys who are going to be the best are going to be calm, reason.
[00:56:51]  And the same thing is true for women, but there will be more men than women.
[00:56:54]  But on average, women are more reasonable than men because they use agreeable.
[00:56:58]  Agreeable.
[00:56:59]  Well, whatever you're going to say.
[00:57:00]  Agreeable is really, really important when you predict for people who are like rising to the top of like organizing people.
[00:57:06]  Agreeability and the ability to work with others is an essential part, particularly of our modern economy.
[00:57:11]  I disagree.
[00:57:12]  That's how you get a bunch of yes men circle jerking each other.
[00:57:14]  No, not at all.
[00:57:15]  Being agreeable doesn't mean that you don't have boundaries, right?
[00:57:17]  Being agreeable means that you can like see what the priorities are and you can try to work together and find cohesiveness.
[00:57:22]  I don't know what to tell you.
[00:57:23]  When it comes to like some of the best managers and some of the best like high senior VPs, the reality is that agreeableness predicts really strongly for this.
[00:57:31]  The only people where disagreeableness predicts is typically for the CEO.
[00:57:34]  But again, I don't have an issue with men being CEOs necessarily.
[00:57:37]  I would just like to say, so I'm not for like the infantilization of women in any capacity.
[00:57:42]  Whether that's women, I just would like it to be a level playing field in terms of some women will go out and be successful and have very successful high-earning careers such as myself.
[00:57:53]  And also, without needing to be like calling my dad to ask if I can fuck a guy or whatever it is that Myron wants.
[00:58:02]  Either side of that infantilization, I'm against.

=== Why Women Extract Value (15:45) ===

[00:58:05]  I'm a human being with agency.
[00:58:07]  If you ask your dad.
[00:58:08]  If I ask my dad, because you said that before, right?
[00:58:11]  Like mating decisions.
[00:58:12]  So should I call my dad and ask if I can fuck or should I just call my dad and ask if he has to pull out?
[00:58:16]  Well, my thing is you should be calling your dad.
[00:58:18]  Well, you just exposed herself as a 304, but that's fine.
[00:58:22]  I mean, I think you should be able to get a double-clicking.
[00:58:23]  That's okay.
[00:58:23]  You can sit and call a married woman with a child a hoe.
[00:58:26]  That says a lot more about you than it does about me.
[00:58:28]  Well, you're the one making crash jokes, so I'm jumping in with you.
[00:58:31]  So the point is, is that I think the father should be.
[00:58:33]  I think that's a crash joke versus calling me.
[00:58:36]  I think the father should be involved actually in the mating process with a woman.
[00:58:39]  I think the dad should actually be intimately involved with picking the guy because when women are left.
[00:58:43]  Hey, dad, can I foster you?
[00:58:44]  That is kind of weird.
[00:58:45]  All right, guys.
[00:58:47]  He pull out.
[00:58:48]  Did he like hold your hand while you do it?
[00:58:49]  Is that the future you want?
[00:58:51]  Is he pushing his asses a little bit more down?
[00:58:54]  Here we go.
[00:58:54]  She's not even going to let me speak.
[00:58:55]  It's very simple.
[00:58:57]  So I actually think that fathers should be involved in their daughters' mating decisions because here's the thing with women.
[00:59:03]  You guys tend to pick the bad boy or the guy that might not necessarily be the best long-term suitor when you're at your highest value.
[00:59:09]  So when the father comes in, he's able to assess this guy, be like, no, this guy doesn't really want you for you.
[00:59:13]  He just wants to use you for sex.
[00:59:14]  I don't want this guy.
[00:59:15]  I'm going to go find you another guy that's going to actually, you know, love you and be with you long term and provision.
[00:59:19]  Whereas we're arranged marriages.
[00:59:22]  Women are able to make their own decisions.
[00:59:23]  They do dumb shit.
[00:59:25]  So it is what it is.
[00:59:26]  It's like when the farmer dad chases the guy out of the house with a shotgun saying, get away from my daughter.
[00:59:30]  No, it's like when Hulk Hogan called Brooke Hogan.
[00:59:33]  Yeah, we got it.
[00:59:33]  We got him in the middle of the thing to say.
[00:59:35]  The next person, real quick, come up to the stage.
[00:59:37]  We got Carly Nocta.
[00:59:39]  Carly Nocta, are you here, Carly Nocta?
[00:59:42]  What?
[00:59:43]  Okay, no, Carly Nocta.
[00:59:44]  These people are like, I want to come up and debate, but I'm not going to show up.
[00:59:47]  Yeah.
[00:59:47]  All right.
[00:59:47]  Our next person, Jay Zollers.
[00:59:49]  Is Jay Zollers here?
[00:59:50]  Jay, get your ass up here.
[00:59:52]  I see you getting up.
[00:59:53]  Give it up for Jay.
[00:59:53]  Is that a beer?
[00:59:54]  He's got a beer.
[00:59:55]  I hope he's drunk.
[00:59:56]  I hope he's way.
[00:59:59]  Come on down, Jay.
[01:00:01]  Alex, you want him straight up on stage?
[01:00:02]  No, no, no, no, no.
[01:00:03]  Let's see what he's got.
[01:00:04]  This guy's drunk, probably.
[01:00:05]  Come on, man.
[01:00:08]  All right, as there's obviously a fertility crisis all across the world.
[01:00:12]  Japan, Korea, United States, everything.
[01:00:15]  There should be certain things that need to be implemented to fix that.
[01:00:18]  But let's be honest.
[01:00:19]  Should people who do not have children collect Social Security?
[01:00:23]  Or should they be banned from getting Social Security at the end of the day?
[01:00:27]  Make that a requirement for Social Security is having kids.
[01:00:31]  That's retarded.
[01:00:31]  Who cares?
[01:00:36]  Okay, you got something better than that?
[01:00:37]  Let's go.
[01:00:37]  Oh, no, man.
[01:00:39]  Just enjoy.
[01:00:39]  Guys, sit down, Jay.
[01:00:40]  Gotta sit down.
[01:00:41]  Thank you.
[01:00:42]  I want to have a layer.
[01:00:44]  Give it up.
[01:00:44]  Give it up.
[01:00:45]  It is a good point.
[01:00:46]  I didn't see that one coming.
[01:00:47]  It is a good point, but it's very granular to the whole debate that the system that we have now is overly compassionate to the point of detriment.
[01:00:56]  Well, I got the next person I'm calling up.
[01:00:58]  She can come straight up here.
[01:00:59]  Amber Duke.
[01:01:00]  Where's Amber Duke?
[01:01:01]  Come on.
[01:01:02]  Amber.
[01:01:03]  Come on down, Amber.
[01:01:05]  Amber's a beast.
[01:01:06]  I'm curious to see which side she's going to take, though.
[01:01:09]  Did they autograph the mustard?
[01:01:10]  So much nuance.
[01:01:11]  Okay, I know it is.
[01:01:12]  See, that is the thing: is Myron, that's the only complaint that I really have, though, is that I do think it is a nuanced situation, right?
[01:01:18]  Like, women aren't all retarded and dumb, you know?
[01:01:22]  Just a lot of them.
[01:01:22]  I'm just the majority of them.
[01:01:24]  A lot of them.
[01:01:25]  My husband would agree with you, but I had a question.
[01:01:29]  Are you religious?
[01:01:30]  No.
[01:01:30]  Okay.
[01:01:31]  I was just curious because it explained a lot of your comments.
[01:01:33]  But I actually wanted to challenge you on your claim that women don't have empathy.
[01:01:37]  Okay, sure.
[01:01:38]  I actually think the problem- Let me clarify though.
[01:01:40]  When I talk about empathy, I mean as into the masculine experience and how men to us, because, and this is why so many women struggle with keeping a guy long term.
[01:01:48]  Like, men have to understand women to get laid.
[01:01:50]  Women don't have to understand us to get laid.
[01:01:52]  Okay.
[01:01:52]  Does that make sense?
[01:01:53]  Isn't it that men can't keep a woman long term since they're the ones divorcing him?
[01:01:56]  What was that?
[01:01:56]  Isn't it that men can't keep women long term since women are the ones initiating most divorces?
[01:02:00]  Well, what I'm saying is that a lot of modern day women, when I talk to them and they say, like, one of the top questions I get with girls is like, well, what do guys want?
[01:02:07]  Especially more attractive men.
[01:02:09]  And it's amazing to me that they even have to ask that because with men, if we don't know what women want, we just have to deal with the consequences.
[01:02:14]  But with women, they can kind of get along in life and meet guys and date and everything without really knowing what men want.
[01:02:20]  But yeah, sorry.
[01:02:21]  Yeah, so my point about empathy was actually that I think the reason perhaps why you think women don't have empathy is because of these issues we're talking about with women getting married later in life and having children later in life.
[01:02:33]  The empathy is not directed towards the family unit anymore.
[01:02:36]  And it's actually extrapolated to outside groups, which is why we see things like tent cities and an outsized focus on minority groups.
[01:02:43]  Yeah, I mean, like I said before, they can absolutely have sympathy.
[01:02:46]  But when I'm talking about empathy specifically, I'm talking about the male experience and like kind of how men go through things in life.
[01:02:52]  Like I don't think women are empathetic to the masculine experience.
[01:02:54]  Whereas like men, we have to understand women to some level if we want to be successful.
[01:02:58]  And if you look at guys that like are really good with women, like pickup artists or dating coaches, whatever, they have a very fine-tuned understanding and empathy to women because they're trying to get laid.
[01:03:07]  So they have to be able to think ahead on what the woman's going to expect, what she's going to want, the type of vibe she's going to want when it comes to making something sexual.
[01:03:15]  So I argue that men are far more empathetic than women are, especially guys that are good with women.
[01:03:20]  I don't think women are empathetic to men because they don't have to be aware of that.
[01:03:22]  I got to disagree with it because you're also making the point that women aren't getting good guys because they're hypergamous.
[01:03:29]  And so if women are going to suffer later in life because they can't get a good guy who wants to help them have a family and be a strong protector, that is a detriment to women by, I guess what I'm saying is women need to be empathetic to the male experience if they want to have a successful family and relationship.
[01:03:43]  That's right.
[01:03:43]  Yes, but that comes through them learning.
[01:03:45]  And my thing is I'm saying, yes, there are some women who are capable of doing that, right?
[01:03:49]  I've noticed girls that have like a strong father, a lot of brothers, like they get it, but I'm saying a lot of women don't.
[01:03:54]  I think they're still able to get through life fairly easily without knowing it.
[01:03:58]  And it isn't until maybe later on.
[01:03:59]  So to clarify, it's not intrinsic to being a woman.
[01:04:01]  It is cultural.
[01:04:03]  Yes.
[01:04:03]  There's no need because no one gives a fuck about men in general.
[01:04:05]  So most women are kind of like, well, why do I got to understand this guy?
[01:04:08]  I'm hot.
[01:04:09]  But just to clarify again, so if women were raised by good dads, they would understand this you're saying?
[01:04:14]  Most women I've met that understand this, they come from either a strong patriarch with a father, uncle, or brothers when they do have it.
[01:04:20]  They have like dads.
[01:04:22]  Well, I mean, I have a wonderful father.
[01:04:25]  I would say I'm very grateful to have a wonderful father.
[01:04:27]  And it's been such a joy to watch my husband be such a wonderful father.
[01:04:33]  And we're raising a little boy who is going to grow up and be a wonderful father, I hope.
[01:04:37]  And Myron, I hope that someday you can be as happy in a relationship as I am in mine.
[01:04:42]  Yo, Myron's going to have a daughter and his whole show's going to shift.
[01:04:45]  He's going to be a raising with everyone.
[01:04:47]  I want to say one thing to Kat though.
[01:04:48]  Kat, Kat.
[01:04:50]  Well, I do want to say, though, that you are a female comedian, very successful in a male-dominated industry.
[01:04:57]  Wouldn't you give a lot of credit to having a strong father?
[01:05:00]  I give a credit to having a strong father every single day.
[01:05:03]  I talk to my dad every day.
[01:05:05]  I am so grateful, so grateful to have the father that I have.
[01:05:08]  And I think that men that are as wonderful as my father deserve all the credit in the world.
[01:05:13]  Is he funny?
[01:05:14]  He is funny.
[01:05:15]  I think I got a real funny thing.
[01:05:16]  And I agree.
[01:05:17]  I think that's a lot of, even in the black community, obviously I think it's a lot of the broken home situations, Myron, that there's actually a lot of examples where black guys have both parents there and they're incredibly successful.
[01:05:26]  So I think that the way that people are brought up, the patriarchy or whatever you want to call it, is very important to their, you know, I've always said that strong dads keep daughters off share poles and sons out of jail.
[01:05:36]  It's very important.
[01:05:36]  But isn't part of the issue that we're outlining here that you're saying is that society doesn't have empathy towards men, which I would actually disagree with.
[01:05:43]  There's really good research on this, actually.
[01:05:44]  If you look at like the age at which we view boys becoming men, it almost completely overlaps with the spike of suicide rates amongst young boys, which is about the age of 14.
[01:05:54]  So I would actually wholly agree with you that society doesn't have like empathy for men in any way, shape, or form, right?
[01:06:00]  And we have this kind of weird, infantilized empathy for women that I think is actually harmful to them in a lot of ways because it robs them of a lot of their agency.
[01:06:07]  But when you're saying like it's women that don't have empathy for men, I feel like you're actually missing like 50% of the pie.
[01:06:13]  When it's, it's society.
[01:06:14]  Nobody cares about men.
[01:06:16]  They don't care that you're struggling.
[01:06:17]  They don't care that you're lonely.
[01:06:18]  They think your tears are gross.
[01:06:20]  And I think that that's a horrible state, but I don't think this is a woman-driven thing.
[01:06:24]  This is a societal issue.
[01:06:26]  I want to say this point too, the infantilization of women.
[01:06:29]  I think that it's very obvious, though, that women's social power only goes down with age as men's go up.
[01:06:37]  So it's directly inverse.
[01:06:39]  So you would want to infantilize a woman because her value is more when she's younger.
[01:06:44]  So she would want to skew and tend to be more young.
[01:06:48]  I think we should only infantilize children.
[01:06:49]  I don't think that's a good idea.
[01:06:51]  I'm not pro, but I'm saying is.
[01:06:52]  I don't like infantilizing adults.
[01:06:53]  I understand why.
[01:06:54]  I think you're right as to like why we oftentimes like systemically infantilize women more.
[01:06:59]  I just think it's harmful to both women and to men because it leads to this like really weird disjunct where if a woman is like sexually aggressive with a man, people are like, oh, he probably loved it.
[01:07:08]  But if a man does the same thing towards the same age woman, we're all like, he's a monster.
[01:07:12]  And I think that creates this disjoint of unparity that I think is harmful and devalues men in a way that they don't think is good.
[01:07:19]  I mean, again, I'm not sitting here trying to feel sad, but I'm just saying, like, this is just the honest reality when it comes to like how women deal with men and how men deal with women.
[01:07:27]  Like, men have to understand women, whereas women don't really have to understand men to be able to get the same access, right?
[01:07:32]  But if they don't deal with women better, they'd probably have longer marriages and women would be leaving them less often, I'm assuming, right?
[01:07:37]  Because women cite the same reasons over and over for why they end the marriages, even though I would argue to women, like there should probably be more.
[01:07:44]  Women end relationships a lot of times because they have this concept that they should always be happy and that overrides duty to the family.
[01:07:50]  So that's another reason, too, why women end marriages and relationships, because we tell women that their happiness overrides everything.
[01:07:56]  And they'll be like, oh, you know what?
[01:07:57]  I could do better.
[01:07:57]  Like, women have this perpetual, the grass is green onto the side.
[01:08:00]  I could do better.
[01:08:01]  I can do better.
[01:08:01]  It's usually I could do better without.
[01:08:03]  This is usually why they're leaving men.
[01:08:05]  They don't say, I can find a new man who's better.
[01:08:06]  They say, I'd rather be single than fucking put up with that.
[01:08:09]  That's usually why women leave men.
[01:08:11]  I have a stupid, uninformed hypothesis where I think women will average at a slight state of discontent relative to men.
[01:08:18]  And the reason why I think that might be is that imagine there's two tribal, you know, plain savannah-dwelling humans, two tribes.
[01:08:27]  And in one, the woman is always content with what is.
[01:08:31]  So the guy comes back and says, hey, I caught us some fish.
[01:08:34]  We have food for the day.
[01:08:35]  And she goes, that's perfect.
[01:08:37]  The other woman in the other tribe is no matter what happens, she's always a little unhappy and demanding more of the man.
[01:08:42]  So he says, I brought enough fish for food.
[01:08:43]  And she goes, why am I only getting two fish?
[01:08:45]  This is bullshit.
[01:08:46]  I want three fish.
[01:08:46]  And he goes, okay, I'll go get you more fish.
[01:08:47]  Geez, calm down.
[01:08:48]  One day, there's a famine.
[01:08:51]  The woman who is always complaining has more and survives.
[01:08:54]  And the woman who is content does not.
[01:08:55]  This is not to dig on women.
[01:08:57]  I'm saying that women are demanding of their men because they want to survive.
[01:09:00]  And so they constantly expect more from men.
[01:09:02]  Yeah, I mean, when it comes to, like, I've said this, women get mad at me when I say this, but like, women are literally designed to extract value from men.
[01:09:07]  Like, that is what they're designed to do.
[01:09:09]  Women are designed to provide value.
[01:09:10]  values that they're what they do is extract value this is why you don't gotta say it's like a thick way you know what I mean Yeah, but this is the same thing.
[01:09:15]  Amber, what do you have to say, Amber?
[01:09:18]  Well, you're asking her to commit 18 years of her life and to carry a body that is destructive to our body.
[01:09:24]  Being able to bear a child is like annihilates our body.
[01:09:28]  The point I'm trying to make is that women are literally designed to extract value from men.
[01:09:32]  But you're narrativizing it in a way that I think is uncomfortable.
[01:09:34]  This is why when a man makes more, when a woman makes more money than her man, she starts to think like, what the hell's going on here?
[01:09:40]  Like, women are not designed to provide long-term provisioning to a man who's not going to be able to do that.
[01:09:44]  That's only true.
[01:09:45]  That's only true that when women earn more than their male partners, that it's a problem for the relationship.
[01:09:49]  If the male has a very traditional view of masculinity and she does too, the moment that you remove a traditional view of masculinity, where, for example, the woman goes, like, I'm the breadwinner, and that's totally fine with me, suddenly the relationships completely balance out.
[01:10:01]  The data is just robust in this.
[01:10:03]  I wanted to ask.
[01:10:04]  Yeah, it is.
[01:10:04]  And also, women don't know what they're doing.
[01:10:06]  One last thing, Amber.
[01:10:07]  I just wanted to ask.
[01:10:08]  It is also in my experience.
[01:10:09]  I would say not every man could be with me.
[01:10:12]  I think a lot of men have being with me, felt emasculated.
[01:10:16]  That's cute.
[01:10:17]  Have felt emasculated by me.
[01:10:19]  You could never handle me, Myron.
[01:10:20]  That's obvious.
[01:10:21]  That's obvious.
[01:10:22]  Oh, thank God.
[01:10:22]  And I would never either.
[01:10:24]  I would never either.
[01:10:25]  But my man is very, very, very strong and able to be with.
[01:10:33]  All right, all right.
[01:10:33]  All right.
[01:10:33]  All right.
[01:10:34]  Broad is what you do.
[01:10:36]  Myron, calm down, calm down.
[01:10:38]  I want to get everyone's opinion on this.
[01:10:40]  I had to push a baby out of my vagina.
[01:10:43]  That's about as feminine as you can get.
[01:10:45]  Well, men can't have babies.
[01:10:48]  You have a deep voice.
[01:10:49]  All right, all right.
[01:10:50]  So I want to focus this one on third wave feminism specifically and what I think the underlying issue is because I'm not Myron.
[01:10:59]  I'm not arguing for women to not get the right to vote, et cetera.
[01:11:01]  But if we look at third-wave feminism, I think one of the distinct problems with it is that it's not that women shouldn't be considered equal to men.
[01:11:10]  It's that third-wave feminism pushed the message that men and women were the same.
[01:11:15]  Yeah, I hate third-wave feminism.
[01:11:17]  I mean, I'm a feminist, but I'm not, I'm not pro-third wave feminism.
[01:11:19]  Well, we agree.
[01:11:20]  All right, Amber.
[01:11:20]  Thank you so much.
[01:11:21]  Thank you, guys.
[01:11:22]  Give it up for Amber Duke.
[01:11:23]  All right, our next team is Joe Cowman here.
[01:11:27]  Joe Cowman.
[01:11:28]  Joe, you're here?
[01:11:30]  Yeah, Joe.
[01:11:31]  Come on down to the right.
[01:11:32]  Sides are all centrally located tonight.
[01:11:34]  I love it.
[01:11:34]  Yeah, thank you, Joe.
[01:11:35]  What do you got for us?
[01:11:37]  Kind of retarded, but good start.
[01:11:42]  So I have a two-part question for the feminists.
[01:11:46]  Do you think that a time 200 years ago, the way that feminism and females' roles in society, do you think that that was oppressive?
[01:11:56]  Yes or no?
[01:11:57]  Yeah.
[01:11:58]  I mean, before women had rights.
[01:12:01]  Yes.
[01:12:01]  Yeah, I mean, it was a robbing of their agency.
[01:12:03]  Did they have a particular role in the society?
[01:12:07]  Yeah, that would not be able to exist back then.
[01:12:12]  I feel like I'm not understanding.
[01:12:14]  That's right.
[01:12:14]  I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
[01:12:16]  I feel like you're begging the question.
[01:12:18]  Do you want to just make your point and then ask a question?
[01:12:20]  What do you think about this?
[01:12:21]  We have a lot of consumerism and technologies nowadays that I think enable feminism.
[01:12:28]  Do you think that a time when they didn't have paper towels or a washing machine or all of these other things that women used to do would was were they oppressed in that role taking care of a house?
[01:12:43]  I like this question.
[01:12:45]  Yeah, I think I think essentially that when you like take away people's like political rights, you are robbing them of agency, which I think is inherently oppressive.
[01:12:53]  I think stealing people's ability to make choices is bad.
[01:12:56]  And most importantly, you can see this, for example, when you look at Spartan women versus Athenian women.
[01:13:00]  Spartan women were actually expected to manage the household because Spartans thought it was gay for men to touch money, basically, which is funny.
[01:13:08]  But Spartan women, as a result, were able to negotiate a lot more things like better wages, better marital care, better maternity leave.
[01:13:17]  Whereas Athenian women were basically rejected from society.
[01:13:20]  And as a result, they were entirely powerless.
[01:13:22]  So yes, not having any political power or agency diminishes your ability and does create a powerful.
[01:13:27]  Let me ask you the point of the technology of it.
[01:13:30]  Sure.
[01:13:30]  Women of the 1800s, were they oppressed?

=== Chop Lumber, Gender Roles Disputed (03:08) ===

[01:13:34]  Broadly, the poor ones, especially, yes.
[01:13:38]  The like rich ones, yes to a woman.
[01:13:40]  Was it oppressive that they were expected to be doing womanly things, cleaning laundry?
[01:13:45]  No, it was the robbing of the rights.
[01:13:47]  It was that they had no other choice to do anything else.
[01:13:49]  Can't we all agree that even since the beginning of time, women have had gender roles, different gender roles than men, though?
[01:13:54]  I mean, is that men and women are not.
[01:13:55]  No, I'm saying I agree with you.
[01:13:57]  So that's from the beginning of time.
[01:14:00]  The difference is men could choose cobbler or these sorts of things.
[01:14:03]  Women were only allowed to have babies or make the house.
[01:14:06]  But the reason is basically.
[01:14:07]  The reason why I think this is a good point, actually, is that firearms have greatly equalized power between men and women in a lot of ways.
[01:14:14]  So if you were a woman in the 1800s, you weren't going to be a sheriff.
[01:14:19]  Right?
[01:14:19]  Yeah.
[01:14:19]  Because, you know, I think what?
[01:14:21]  It wasn't until like the late 18, they didn't have cartridges until the late 1800s.
[01:14:25]  So if you're late, if you're late 1700s, it was not oppression.
[01:14:29]  They said a woman can't be in this role.
[01:14:31]  It was the physical impossibility of it.
[01:14:33]  It was both, right?
[01:14:34]  But the other thing too is- They would even say she like invented something or some superpower woman who could theoretically maintain the same justice.
[01:14:41]  But she wasn't allowed to.
[01:14:42]  But the issue is, you're not likely to see a woman, you know, manually tilling fields with pickaxes.
[01:14:48]  That's not true.
[01:14:48]  Actually, women were regularly doing farm labor.
[01:14:50]  In fact, that was one of the main domicile areas.
[01:14:52]  Specifically tilling the fields.
[01:14:53]  Yes, they would be familiar with the family.
[01:14:54]  Men were pulling these things before B. Suburten.
[01:14:56]  So were women.
[01:14:57]  I don't know what to tell you there.
[01:14:58]  This was just shared by the household.
[01:15:00]  You're making the argument that women were doing physical feats that men were disproportionately doing those physical feats.
[01:15:06]  No, no, no.
[01:15:06]  I'm making an argument that the female tractor driver.
[01:15:09]  Well, no, I said men had agency and women didn't, right?
[01:15:11]  My issue isn't that women had traditional gender roles.
[01:15:13]  My issue was women had no idea.
[01:15:17]  I don't have a problem with that.
[01:15:18]  I have an issue if women can't choose to do things like teaching or ownership.
[01:15:22]  Men did not invent pickle jars to oppress women.
[01:15:25]  They're just hard to open.
[01:15:27]  I don't know why you're running away from this argument.
[01:15:29]  Because now they have automatic parallel jar openers.
[01:15:31]  You don't need men anymore.
[01:15:32]  There's nothing masculine about owning property, right?
[01:15:34]  There's just nothing inherent.
[01:15:35]  There's nothing.
[01:15:36]  Well, that's what I'm talking about.
[01:15:37]  The point he made was with technological advancements, allowing for women to not have to do these jobs is a depression when they did.
[01:15:43]  And I think it's an interesting point that men chop lumber because they have big upper bodies and heavy arms.
[01:15:48]  I never said I want women in the 1800s to chop lumber.
[01:15:50]  Now that we have automatic lumber splitters, it's not a big deal to have women doing that job.
[01:15:54]  They weren't oppressing women by saying, no, we're going to have a guy chop lumber.
[01:15:56]  I'll just say my opinion again because I don't think you're engaging with it.
[01:15:58]  I'm not saying that women were oppressed in the 1800s because they weren't lumberjacks.
[01:16:01]  I'm saying that women were oppressed because they didn't have the option to be anything but homemakers and own private property.
[01:16:06]  That's why they were oppressed.
[01:16:07]  I think she makes a good point.
[01:16:09]  Okay, all right.
[01:16:09]  Go sit down, Joe.
[01:16:10]  I don't think that is that great.
[01:16:11]  Jory Brooks.
[01:16:12]  Jory Brooks is Jory Brooks here.
[01:16:15]  Come on down.
[01:16:16]  Am I saying that right?
[01:16:17]  Jory.
[01:16:18]  He's coming.
[01:16:19]  Come on, Jory.
[01:16:20]  You know, we have a limited time limit here.
[01:16:23]  Over here, bro.
[01:16:24]  Time limit.
[01:16:24]  Like the show right now.
[01:16:26]  Yeah, we do need a four-hour show, actually.

=== Why Women Shouldn't Be Enforced (12:19) ===

[01:16:27]  But what do you got for us?
[01:16:28]  All right.
[01:16:28]  I got a simple question for Myron.
[01:16:31]  Do you think these things should be legally enforced or just culturally pushed?
[01:16:36]  Like putting women back in the kitchen?
[01:16:38]  Yeah, stuff like that.
[01:16:40]  Women are second-class citizens, basically.
[01:16:42]  Or repealing the 19th Amendment?
[01:16:44]  Yeah.
[01:16:44]  Yeah, I mean, I think if we do it, because here's the thing, women are followers, right?
[01:16:48]  They're not really leaders.
[01:16:49]  So if we culturally shame them being sluts or voting or any of that other stuff and say, like, hey, you need to get back in the kitchen.
[01:16:55]  Education isn't great for you.
[01:16:56]  I think they'd follow that.
[01:16:57]  We don't need to force them to do it because women are followers.
[01:17:00]  So why do you want to repeal the 19th?
[01:17:01]  Yeah.
[01:17:02]  What was that?
[01:17:02]  Why do you want to repeal the 19th if you think social shame is effective enough?
[01:17:05]  Well, again, in that regard, we really got to make sure you guys can't vote.
[01:17:08]  But yeah, other than that, that's the question.
[01:17:11]  That's the question.
[01:17:11]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:17:12]  So, no, when it comes to voting, we just don't let them in.
[01:17:14]  They're like, oh, I'm here to vote, LOL, and then tell them to go home.
[01:17:17]  Real quick, real quick.
[01:17:18]  I mean, it's just simple.
[01:17:20]  I don't want to take away their rights.
[01:17:21]  That's too much.
[01:17:22]  Okay, that's what I do.
[01:17:23]  Would you guys agree that women should have to sign up for selective service same as men?
[01:17:31]  That or nobody has to sign up for it.
[01:17:33]  Yeah, I don't believe it.
[01:17:33]  I don't know if it's in a draft at all.
[01:17:35]  So, right.
[01:17:35]  So, either remove it completely or women have to do it.
[01:17:37]  I think equity would be fine there.
[01:17:38]  Yeah.
[01:17:39]  You know, I'll be honest.
[01:17:40]  I don't think women should be cops.
[01:17:41]  I don't think they should be in the military.
[01:17:42]  I don't think they should be doing any of that.
[01:17:43]  He wants to take away women's rights.
[01:17:48]  They get emotional.
[01:17:48]  Well, what he wants to say is what he wants to say is there's a lot of people who are not.
[01:17:52]  It's not about women's rights.
[01:17:53]  It's about I am right.
[01:17:55]  You guys don't need to be in the military.
[01:17:57]  It's not philosophy.
[01:17:58]  Because here's a philosophy.
[01:17:59]  Whenever I see female, I used to work in law enforcement.
[01:18:01]  Let me tell you something.
[01:18:02]  You guys are fucking useless when it comes to anything that has to do with enforcement.
[01:18:05]  I'll tell you why.
[01:18:05]  They don't know how to do things tactically.
[01:18:07]  They can barely go ahead and actually subdue a subject.
[01:18:10]  So whenever I had women and I did an operation plan, I put these bitches on the perimeter because they can't effectively get into a fight and they put everyone else in danger.
[01:18:16]  So when it comes to military, law enforcement, anything like that, I think women shouldn't be involved in those professions.
[01:18:21]  They should be allowed to be a lot of people.
[01:18:22]  There's actually in a support role.
[01:18:25]  My results.
[01:18:26]  And then with that said, since they're not in the military, they shouldn't have the right to vote.
[01:18:30]  That should be left to the men.
[01:18:31]  Because here's the other problem, too.
[01:18:32]  When you put women in the military, you put them in law enforcement.
[01:18:35]  You effectively weaken the entire force for what?
[01:18:37]  Their feelings?
[01:18:38]  So they could feel equal?
[01:18:38]  Get the fuck out of here.
[01:18:39]  You're only as strong as your weakest link.
[01:18:41]  And there was just a Houston, a female Houston cop that went and pulled a gun on a guy because the guy had cheated on her sister.
[01:18:48]  Yeah, women do crimes, and that's bad.
[01:18:50]  The issue is not a cop.
[01:18:53]  Again, I'm not saying you're more women should get shot by a female cop than a male cop.
[01:18:56]  Wait, wait, wait, wait, real quick.
[01:18:57]  Hey, Jessica, Jessie is shape.
[01:19:00]  Jessica, I don't know how your handwriting is shit.
[01:19:03]  Jess, come on down, Jess.
[01:19:04]  There you go.
[01:19:05]  That's easier.
[01:19:06]  What do you got, Myron?
[01:19:08]  No, I was just going to say, like, I don't, while she waits.
[01:19:10]  But his answer is she doesn't just want to socially change.
[01:19:12]  She wants to steal rights.
[01:19:13]  Anyone that's in the military or a police officer will tell you, having female backup sucks.
[01:19:17]  Then make sure that the standards are equal.
[01:19:19]  Just make sure the standards are equal.
[01:19:20]  I don't want to point out the inherent sexism of this show.
[01:19:22]  I did ask Myron to sit there because I said he could beat the shit out of anybody who fucked with him from the audience.
[01:19:28]  I'm out of you all.
[01:19:28]  All right, Jess, what do you got for us?
[01:19:30]  All right.
[01:19:31]  I think you ladies have an idealized view of feminism, and I do believe it will bring down Western society.
[01:19:39]  All right.
[01:19:40]  Come on.
[01:19:40]  Come on, Tommy.
[01:19:41]  That was great.
[01:19:42]  Back in the kitchen.
[01:19:43]  Let's go.
[01:19:44]  Come on, hurry, this way.
[01:19:46]  Now you're letting her out of the kitchen, Myron?
[01:19:48]  Wow.
[01:19:49]  Yeah, he only likes women that agree with him.
[01:19:51]  Imagine that.
[01:19:52]  They can have rights.
[01:19:53]  They can have rights, actually.
[01:19:54]  Just right now.
[01:19:54]  What do you got for us, Jeff?
[01:19:55]  Rights for now.
[01:19:56]  All right.
[01:19:56]  Let me pull my notes back in.
[01:19:57]  Speaking of the microphone.
[01:20:01]  I just think it is a more a collectivist plot for societal division than it is.
[01:20:06]  What do you mean by collectivist?
[01:20:08]  As in right now, when you have, I'll just give an example of the feminist movement being tied with transgenderism and all these other sorts of things that is more left-wing and just more collectivist in mindset.
[01:20:22]  I mean, you can just say those parts of feminism I disagree with.
[01:20:25]  I already said third-wave feminism.
[01:20:26]  Not a big fan.
[01:20:27]  Women and men are not the same.
[01:20:28]  So in a broad sense, feminism as a whole includes a lot of really bad shit.
[01:20:32]  Sure, of course.
[01:20:33]  There's lots of things that we're talking about.
[01:20:34]  Thanks for that.
[01:20:34]  Real quick, but aren't we?
[01:20:35]  Wait, with the trans movement, wouldn't, and I'm not, you know, social sciences, but aren't we almost in fourth-wave feminism?
[01:20:42]  We are in fourth wave feminism.
[01:20:44]  No, we are in fourth wave feminists.
[01:20:46]  Come on, I know this.
[01:20:47]  I love ladies.
[01:20:48]  I love my baby.
[01:20:49]  I know.
[01:20:49]  That's guy.
[01:20:50]  I love it.
[01:20:50]  I love shit.
[01:20:51]  I'm not going to lie.
[01:20:52]  I'm not going to lie.
[01:20:53]  No, my question was actually for Myron.
[01:20:55]  Oh, shit.
[01:20:55]  Oh, yeah.
[01:20:56]  All right.
[01:20:56]  Okay.
[01:20:57]  So have you considered that you may be surrounding yourself with low-quality women that are skewing your perception of dating?
[01:21:04]  And how would you address the fact that other men buying into this narrow viewpoint of relationships tend to become unhappy and single?
[01:21:11]  Okay, so I like that you asked that because a lot of people say that all the time.
[01:21:15]  Myron you're in Miami around a bunch of bimbos blah blah blah.
[01:21:17]  So the reality is yeah Yeah, well, here's the thing.
[01:21:20]  I brought girls on.
[01:21:21]  We actually keep data.
[01:21:22]  We bring girls on that have PhDs, master's degrees, educated with bachelor's degrees, all different types of job fields.
[01:21:29]  And, you know, I've still noticed some like very interesting similarities despite education level, cultural background, et cetera, with the women.
[01:21:37]  So my thing is, unfortunately, almost all women, well, damn near 99% of women are all very hypergamous.
[01:21:44]  And what I tell guys is the reason why they need to rise up and make more money and get in the gym and just be the best they can be is because women's standards have gone up.
[01:21:52]  And since women's standards have gone up, most guys don't qualify.
[01:21:54]  And I think for any guy to be able to relationship where they can like make it last and have their girl be somewhat satisfied is they have to be the best version of yourself because women are pickier now than ever before thanks to feminism.
[01:22:04]  So and not only that, but like women are encouraged to get the best they can.
[01:22:08]  So my thing isn't necessarily that I'm around lower quality women, you would say.
[01:22:12]  It's just that I'm around a lot of different types of women from different walks of life.
[01:22:15]  And I would argue the hotter the girl, the more hypergamist they're going to be because they can be.
[01:22:19]  I would argue, though, you may be personally trying to find an eclectic bunch, but you're not going to church, right?
[01:22:26]  Are you going to churches that have these debates?
[01:22:27]  Well, here's the thing.
[01:22:28]  We bring a lot of girls that are religious too on the podcast.
[01:22:31]  And you find they're all the same?
[01:22:32]  No, he does bring a lot more church going.
[01:22:34]  No, we've brought girls in that are religious too.
[01:22:36]  I mean, religious girls are going to want, they're going to want a guy that's more traditional.
[01:22:39]  So like, the point is this.
[01:22:41]  The guy needs to be a complete package is my argument nowadays.
[01:22:43]  Like, you can't be an average guy nowadays and still be able to, you know, get a girl or get a woman to truly submit to you.
[01:22:49]  What's that?
[01:22:50]  That's evolution.
[01:22:51]  Of course it is.
[01:22:51]  But what I'm saying now is that like average women no longer want average men.
[01:22:56]  Historically, 40% of men reproduced.
[01:22:58]  Of course.
[01:22:59]  And now it's 83.
[01:23:01]  83% of men now.
[01:23:04]  83% don't reproduce.
[01:23:05]  Well, no, no, no.
[01:23:06]  I'm sorry.
[01:23:06]  As of the younger generation, sure.
[01:23:07]  But historically, throughout thousands and thousands of years, of course, the number was around 40.
[01:23:12]  Modern history, it's around 80.
[01:23:13]  Of course, I understand Gen Z is.
[01:23:15]  And here's the thing, too.
[01:23:16]  We had guardrails, right?
[01:23:17]  Before, like, you know, you had the church, you had a social shame, you had stigmas with women behaving and acting in a way to, you know, effectuate their hypergamy.
[01:23:24]  But these guardrails are gone now.
[01:23:26]  So, like, women can literally do whatever they want.
[01:23:28]  Part of the reason why men are not.
[01:23:30]  Part of the reason why historically men weren't spreading their seed is they were dying in the mines and they were dying in war because the way that society dealt with what we call like the young male syndrome, which is a real issue of young men that don't have mates, because typically young men don't actually get mates because you guys are immature and have to grow up a little bit.
[01:23:44]  This has always been historically true.
[01:23:47]  This is absolutely true.
[01:23:48]  This is what war has fed because a major issue in all nation states when they were beginning, you can go back to like the 700s, is the question of the young male issue.
[01:23:56]  Young men are more violent, more aggressive, and stupid.
[01:23:59]  And you guys often have to get shipped off to bad places.
[01:24:02]  Now, I love the Western civilization where we don't do that to young men because I think that's fucked up.
[01:24:06]  Yeah, we do.
[01:24:07]  No, we don't.
[01:24:07]  We don't send men.
[01:24:08]  We are not killing off men in the numbers that were regulated in history.
[01:24:12]  And I think that that's a good thing.
[01:24:13]  Okay, sure, but we still have drafts and we still have war.
[01:24:15]  Sure, but the issue is when you talk about like men aren't spreading their seed in history, it's because they were dying.
[01:24:20]  All right, real quick.
[01:24:21]  Do you have one last thing, Jess, before you go?
[01:24:23]  It's been three minutes.
[01:24:24]  One last thing you want to say.
[01:24:27]  I'm a veteran.
[01:24:31]  I just want to make one point additionally because I was talking about collectivism a moment ago.
[01:24:36]  And I feel like with Myron saying like all men, all women, and just coming at your audience with that narrative, it leaves out the traditional view, kind of like Tim was saying, of I'm 23 and I meet someone and do this.
[01:24:49]  And you grow with that person together.
[01:24:51]  Like I was with my husband while I was going through college.
[01:24:54]  Yeah, that's great.
[01:24:54]  I mean, but you're an exception to the rule.
[01:24:56]  Okay.
[01:24:57]  But you have a selection bias, Myron.
[01:25:01]  23-year-old girls are not going to selection bias.
[01:25:03]  No, I'm sorry.
[01:25:04]  This is just not true.
[01:25:05]  Like when you look at dating, typically women are going to date people within their economic and within their economic and their age bracket.
[01:25:11]  The reason why your data.
[01:25:12]  Utsav, real quick.
[01:25:13]  Utsov.
[01:25:14]  Utzoff Sanduza or Sanduzha.
[01:25:18]  The reason why your show has such a bad selection bias is because most women don't want to go on to get bullied by the audience forever.
[01:25:25]  However, if you have an OnlyFans, you absolutely want to go on whatever and your show to promote it.
[01:25:30]  So you just do have a selection bias.
[01:25:32]  The women who tend to write articles for large publications are single and childless.
[01:25:37]  True.
[01:25:37]  And so the media that's going out to women at the more affluent level tends to be feminist childless.
[01:25:43]  I would actually argue most like third wave feminism underserved most women as well.
[01:25:47]  In fact, it only benefited women like myself or maybe Cat or other people.
[01:25:50]  That's bad.
[01:25:50]  All right, Utza, what do you got for me?
[01:25:52]  All right, hey, Myron, your favorite.
[01:25:54]  We debated a while back.
[01:25:57]  So these are your favorite d  ⁇ s.
[01:26:00]  What's up, man?
[01:26:00]  Yo, brother.
[01:26:01]  God bless you.
[01:26:02]  As-salamu alaykum.
[01:26:03]  So, I know you're an Islamist, allegedly.
[01:26:06]  My question is very straightforward.
[01:26:08]  In the age of AI, does it really matter if it's a male versus female debate?
[01:26:13]  Because we're all going to get replaced anyway.
[01:26:15]  Wall Street Journal, which is our favorite newspaper, Trump doesn't like them.
[01:26:18]  I don't blame him.
[01:26:19]  They talk about how a lot of our jobs are going to be replaced by these freaking bots.
[01:26:24]  There's a lot of sectors that are just going to be wholesale replaced.
[01:26:28]  We're all fucked.
[01:26:28]  I'm sorry.
[01:26:29]  Let me tell you something.
[01:26:30]  You're the biggest threat, you stupid Indian with your DEI bullshit.
[01:26:34]  I'm not worried about some damn AI taking my job.
[01:26:37]  I'm worried about you D's coming over here and making chicken kick and masala in the damn company microwave and sticking up the whole place like Curry.
[01:26:46]  So let me know how to use a microwave.
[01:26:49]  So let me tell you my favorite friend, who is I love you.
[01:26:55]  Shalom.
[01:26:56]  God bless you.
[01:26:57]  Peace be with you.
[01:26:58]  And whatever Sky Guard you believe in.
[01:27:00]  Hey, wait.
[01:27:01]  Hey, wait, wait, hold on.
[01:27:02]  I got a counterpoint.
[01:27:03]  That AI software company turned to be 700 Indians.
[01:27:07]  That's not a job.
[01:27:09]  Honestly, I just don't care anymore, guys.
[01:27:11]  You just are all jealous.
[01:27:13]  I am.
[01:27:14]  I am jealous.
[01:27:15]  I'm a fireball.
[01:27:16]  I'm using my computer.
[01:27:17]  I wish I knew how to use it.
[01:27:18]  It just goes through me.
[01:27:20]  I have a question for you.
[01:27:21]  What's up?
[01:27:21]  Do you know how much money OpenAI made in this last financial year?
[01:27:25]  Too much money.
[01:27:27]  Do you know how much?
[01:27:28]  Okay, good response.
[01:27:29]  Do you know how much, though?
[01:27:30]  I'm just curious.
[01:27:30]  No, I don't know, ma'am.
[01:27:31]  Okay, they made 20 million.
[01:27:32]  Do you know how much they spent to afford their data centers and the electricity that's required for them?
[01:27:37]  A lot of RD has put in a lot of money.
[01:27:38]  $28 billion.
[01:27:39]  Yeah, it's a lot.
[01:27:40]  They lost a lot of money.
[01:27:41]  So this idea that bots are going to replace us somewhat, there's always with automation, we see a shrinkage of labor jobs.
[01:27:47]  We saw this with farming and mining when we got tractors and shit like that, right?
[01:27:51]  Which is bad for the broken Army.
[01:27:57]  Samoan came out and said, that's absolutely true.
[01:28:00]  This is what Chat GBD5 is, actually.
[01:28:01]  What do you have?
[01:28:03]  Is it a cheaper version of Chip?
[01:28:04]  I can be 40.
[01:28:05]  I'm going to disprove your argument because I ordered Chipotle and they got the order wrong.
[01:28:10]  And DoorDash doesn't have a phone to call.
[01:28:13]  It's a robot.
[01:28:14]  So I called Chipotle on the phone and a robot answered and it literally said there is no one who can answer the phone for you.
[01:28:21]  You want your preach back and AI out.
[01:28:22]  That's true.
[01:28:23]  AI out of there, man.
[01:28:24]  All right, sink around.
[01:28:25]  Sit down.
[01:28:26]  We love you, though.
[01:28:27]  God bless.
[01:28:31]  Well, Hayam, we love you.

=== Edgar's Honest Question (15:20) ===

[01:28:32]  We love it.
[01:28:32]  Benjamin Netanyahu sent him.
[01:28:34]  All right, Adam Irvin.
[01:28:36]  Is Adam Irvin here?
[01:28:37]  Come on down, Adam Irvin.
[01:28:38]  Get your ass down here.
[01:28:39]  I see him in the back.
[01:28:40]  Come on now.
[01:28:40]  Give it up for Adam Irvin.
[01:28:42]  Give it up for you, Soph.
[01:28:43]  Thank you.
[01:28:44]  We love our Indian brothers and sisters.
[01:28:47]  This guy is the Deodoran Dodgers back over there.
[01:28:51]  They made zero.
[01:28:53]  They made zero.
[01:28:54]  Open AI makes sense.
[01:28:55]  How much did they lose?
[01:28:56]  They lost $5 billion on $3.7 billion in revenue.
[01:28:59]  All right, what do you got for us, Adam?
[01:29:00]  Yeah.
[01:29:01]  Zero dollars.
[01:29:01]  They're in a deficit.
[01:29:02]  I just wanted to say that Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.
[01:29:09]  I think that everybody has a worldview and that everybody stands on that foundation.
[01:29:14]  And when we all have opinions and so forth, it boils down to that foundation you're standing on.
[01:29:26]  Meaning.
[01:29:31]  What was that?
[01:29:32]  Yeah.
[01:29:32]  Come on, keep going.
[01:29:34]  You thought this one through.
[01:29:35]  Yeah, to all your points, like to every single one of those points.
[01:29:38]  It all comes down to Jesus, right?
[01:29:40]  Is that where he's going?
[01:29:41]  Wait, were you the guy that was shouting the most?
[01:29:43]  You said you were going to come up?
[01:29:44]  Oh, that's somebody over here.
[01:29:45]  Okay.
[01:29:46]  What I'm saying is that your foundation that you stand on is where you're going to line up with the way you conduct yourself in the world.
[01:29:54]  That's not true.
[01:29:55]  That's true.
[01:29:56]  We've got all these atheists and one Christian, okay?
[01:29:58]  I'm the only one who's based and believes in Jesus.
[01:30:00]  All of you.
[01:30:02]  Does the Bible say that women should be silent and obey their husbands, though?
[01:30:05]  It does, but it also says men submit yourselves to women in the way that Christ died for the church.
[01:30:09]  Oh, wow.
[01:30:10]  Rottro.
[01:30:11]  It does.
[01:30:12]  Look it up.
[01:30:13]  Listen, we love Jesus Christ, but no, get down.
[01:30:16]  All right, sit down.
[01:30:16]  Come on.
[01:30:17]  All right.
[01:30:17]  Hey, the guy with the backwards hat, the guy, he was here last time.
[01:30:20]  Were you the one shouting?
[01:30:21]  You want to say something for a minute?
[01:30:22]  Yeah, good.
[01:30:23]  Uh-oh.
[01:30:24]  I know this guy.
[01:30:24]  He's closer to me.
[01:30:26]  Yeah, T-Bone.
[01:30:27]  T-Bone.
[01:30:28]  T-Bone's a good guy.
[01:30:29]  I like T-Bone.
[01:30:29]  I can't dance his hands.
[01:30:30]  T-Bone's funny.
[01:30:31]  All right, T-Bone, what do you got for us?
[01:30:32]  All right.
[01:30:32]  Hey, guys, let's go, DC.
[01:30:34]  Thank you so much, Tim.
[01:30:35]  This is a great event.
[01:30:37]  So my question, you guys were talking about it earlier about the women in military and such.
[01:30:44]  So, Kylie, you were actually saying that you want women in the military for the draft.
[01:30:49]  Myron, you were saying that you kind of don't want women in the military?
[01:30:53]  So, Kylie, you say that you want them?
[01:30:55]  I said they either are part of the selective draft or they're not.
[01:30:58]  It should be equal between men and women when if they were supposed to go into the draft, what exactly would you want them to do?
[01:31:04]  Like, would you want them to be a nurse, a mechanic, or would you want them to be on the front lines in like combat roles?
[01:31:10]  I feel like you think that this is a crazy feminist gotcha.
[01:31:12]  My answer is pretty nuanced.
[01:31:14]  I want aptitude tests and I want them to be in the spots that they would best serve the military.
[01:31:17]  Yeah, T-Bo, that's not a good guy.
[01:31:19]  Go sit down, dude.
[01:31:19]  That's not Barry.
[01:31:22]  I really had higher expectations.
[01:31:24]  Yeah, I did too.
[01:31:25]  Barry from Brooklyn.
[01:31:26]  Come on down.
[01:31:26]  We got some people we got to get through.
[01:31:28]  We only got about less than 20 minutes left, so about 26 minutes.
[01:31:31]  All right, what do you got for us, Barry?
[01:31:32]  What's up?
[01:31:33]  This is the second time I drove from Brooklyn, five hours to get here, so I'm glad to be here.
[01:31:36]  Yeah.
[01:31:37]  My city sucks, so don't come back.
[01:31:39]  Don't ever come.
[01:31:40]  I'm trying to leave too.
[01:31:41]  It's horrible.
[01:31:41]  Anyways, there are 70 Muslim countries in the world, maybe a little bit more.
[01:31:46]  How do you...
[01:31:47]  This is for the feminists on the side.
[01:31:49]  Do you think that those men are going to respect women leaders?
[01:31:54]  Look at the countries like Germany, not a great country.
[01:31:57]  It's a beautiful country, but not great.
[01:31:59]  Look at England.
[01:32:00]  Look at every Mohammedan.
[01:32:01]  So because they're submissive to these Muslim nations, what do you think is the best?
[01:32:06]  You know, do you think that women are going to be respected by these men leaders in Muslim countries?
[01:32:10]  You know what they're going to respect?
[01:32:11]  They don't let women drive.
[01:32:13]  The F-15.
[01:32:13]  That's what they're going to respect.
[01:32:15]  So I'm not super worried about it.
[01:32:16]  The American military is the most predominant thing on the planet.
[01:32:19]  And the reality is that whoever is wearing the American name, they're going to respect.
[01:32:23]  I think we got to be honest.
[01:32:24]  Come on.
[01:32:24]  Like, if Kamala tried to negotiate with Saudi Arabia, I don't know what to tell you.
[01:32:30]  Who's invaded after she visited?
[01:32:32]  Like, come on, man.
[01:32:34]  The reality is that, like, our economic ties are so strong with these countries and the military.
[01:32:37]  Like, yeah, they'd probably behind the scenes be like, man, fuck that bitch.
[01:32:41]  She's a stupid woman.
[01:32:42]  The issue is that it's still America that they have to negotiate with, and they're going to care.
[01:32:46]  No, not just here, but I'm talking about other countries.
[01:32:47]  There are many countries in the world.
[01:32:49]  There's 207 countries in the world, and a few of them are ran by women.
[01:32:52]  But do you think the men in these Muslim countries are going to respect these women as leaders?
[01:32:56]  So again, we have to be waiting.
[01:32:58]  It's clearly not.
[01:32:58]  Okay, so you just want to say no.
[01:33:00]  Okay.
[01:33:00]  Well, if you want to have your own conversation on a mic, go for it.
[01:33:03]  Barry, I would call you up, but you're Jewish, and I don't want Myron to care.
[01:33:06]  Italians are morally bad, and that's all that matters.
[01:33:09]  It's better to be morally right than factually correct.
[01:33:12]  True.
[01:33:13]  All right, go sit down.
[01:33:14]  Supa, come on down.
[01:33:15]  Supa.
[01:33:16]  Who is Supa here?
[01:33:16]  Supa Fox.
[01:33:17]  Does anybody know who the hell that is?
[01:33:19]  Yeah.
[01:33:19]  He's out of his way.
[01:33:20]  All right, Supa.
[01:33:21]  Come on down.
[01:33:22]  I can see when I do this.
[01:33:24]  Is that your name?
[01:33:24]  It's Supa.
[01:33:25]  Yes, my name's Supa.
[01:33:26]  How are you?
[01:33:27]  So Fox is your actual name?
[01:33:28]  Fox is my actual name.
[01:33:29]  He's a furry.
[01:33:30]  Don't judge.
[01:33:32]  And I'm sorry that I forgot your name.
[01:33:35]  Don't worry about it.
[01:33:36]  That was a great joke that you had earlier where you pointed out that it is actually gay to handle money.
[01:33:42]  The Spartans were not having to do that.
[01:33:43]  That wasn't a joke.
[01:33:43]  I was talking about Spartans and how they do it.
[01:33:45]  Yes, yes.
[01:33:45]  The Spartans were right about that.
[01:33:46]  It's gay to handle money.
[01:33:47]  But it's not gay to wrestle your bro in Greece.
[01:33:54]  I don't know what to tell you.
[01:33:54]  Like, Spartans would look at you and snap.
[01:33:56]  What do you even look?
[01:33:57]  Yeah.
[01:33:58]  A Spartan would walk up to you, punch you in the face, and snap you over his back.
[01:34:01]  I don't know what you're being like, oh, they're gay because they wrestle.
[01:34:03]  I don't want to tell you they're the peak of masculinity.
[01:34:05]  It's fucked.
[01:34:05]  It's called a joke.
[01:34:07]  Okay.
[01:34:07]  Bro, in Sparta, the only way for a guy to get a tombstone was to die.
[01:34:11]  And the only way a woman could get a tombstone was to die in childbirth.
[01:34:14]  Yeah.
[01:34:15]  Otherwise, fuck you.
[01:34:17]  All great jokes.
[01:34:18]  All right, well, this isn't Sparta.
[01:34:19]  Go sit down.
[01:34:21]  All right, Edgar the puppet.
[01:34:22]  Come on down, Edgar.
[01:34:23]  Hurry, get your ass up here.
[01:34:24]  We love Edgar.
[01:34:26]  Gotta get to Edgar.
[01:34:28]  Hey, Alex, can I come up?
[01:34:30]  Can I just fuck you up?
[01:34:30]  Yeah, I guess.
[01:34:31]  Just come up.
[01:34:35]  Don't shut.
[01:34:35]  Just come up here, Edgar.
[01:34:36]  Gosh dang it.
[01:34:37]  We only have so much time.
[01:34:38]  Give it up, guys.
[01:34:39]  Give it up for their names we have to pull.
[01:34:40]  So give it up for Edgar the puppet.
[01:34:43]  You think he's a racist blue puppet, sexist, misogynistic puppet.
[01:34:47]  We love him.
[01:34:50]  Okay, what do you got for us?
[01:34:54]  Greetings, bitches.
[01:34:55]  I represent Ask America with Edgar, the number one fascist puppet show in DC.
[01:35:00]  It is a YouTube channel.
[01:35:02]  Thank you for inviting me up here.
[01:35:04]  Please do not pay attention to my spirit animal here.
[01:35:06]  He has nothing important to say.
[01:35:08]  It is all me.
[01:35:10]  Okay, listen, I just want to say the problem is, I side with the hobbies on the far right side, Kat and Kyla.
[01:35:20]  Absolutely, 100%.
[01:35:22]  I'm against this Saudi Arabian virgin right here.
[01:35:26]  Absolutely.
[01:35:27]  Sorry.
[01:35:27]  Sorry, Myron.
[01:35:28]  You know, listen.
[01:35:30]  I believe the problem is not feminism.
[01:35:33]  The problem is the feminization of men.
[01:35:37]  Yes.
[01:35:38]  Yes.
[01:35:39]  Yes, it is.
[01:35:40]  Yes, it is.
[01:35:40]  Men, you have to take ownership of your own problems.
[01:35:42]  And I want 100% tariff on cuck chairs until we figure out what the hell is going on.
[01:35:49]  Myron, that's a good point.
[01:35:50]  What do you think about all these men that are cucks in this?
[01:35:52]  That's like a normalizing destiny.
[01:35:53]  That's a weird thing to normalize.
[01:35:56]  Look, I like Destiny, but he's a cuck.
[01:35:59]  I know, but he sucks on camera.
[01:36:01]  He does suck a lot of money.
[01:36:04]  He does revenge porn and f  ⁇ ing girls and shares and f  ⁇ ed guys, so he's like a sexual person.
[01:36:08]  He would f  ⁇  his own face if given the opportunity, Myron.
[01:36:11]  And his own son hates him and thinks he's a retard, but I know he's a good person.
[01:36:15]  Alex needs to talk to Destiny.
[01:36:16]  I don't like Destiny.
[01:36:16]  Weak men.
[01:36:17]  I like him.
[01:36:18]  I think he's awesome.
[01:36:19]  Your son hates him.
[01:36:21]  Wait, Myron.
[01:36:22]  Myron.
[01:36:22]  Myron, can we talk about the great uncucking of Alex Stein, who up to a few months ago, until he decided to lose weight, was a complete grotty unfuckable who no one wants to do.
[01:36:34]  Sure, I got you and that puppet everybody.
[01:36:36]  No, no, no.
[01:36:37]  You're about to tell me my pussy.
[01:36:39]  You tell him about pussy.
[01:36:41]  You abusive bitch.
[01:36:43]  I am.
[01:36:44]  No, no one would even get that.
[01:36:46]  I love you.
[01:36:46]  But I was fucking when I was fat.
[01:36:48]  I just want that.
[01:36:49]  You gave up bread and sugar.
[01:36:50]  You gave up bread and sugar.
[01:36:51]  I'm better now.
[01:36:52]  No, you gave up 40 pounds.
[01:36:53]  You used to be a fat, disgusting fuck, and I'm so proud of you, man.
[01:36:57]  Thank you.
[01:36:57]  I love you.
[01:36:58]  You're the broof puppet.
[01:37:00]  Alex Stein is the only man who can put his hand in my puppet hole with consent.
[01:37:03]  And it's not a game.
[01:37:05]  I want to address this.
[01:37:05]  I want to say, there are, I'm sick of, who was it?
[01:37:10]  Was it Carl Benjamin who said all these guys online complain about women, stop acting like fucking women?
[01:37:15]  Like the point he's making is that they go online and say, oh, women do this, women do that.
[01:37:18]  It's like, stop fucking complaining.
[01:37:19]  You're a man.
[01:37:20]  Okay.
[01:37:20]  Go carve yourself out of stone, get shoved in the mud, and crawl until you make something of yourself and stop bitching on everybody else.
[01:37:26]  All right, Angelina Belcamino.
[01:37:28]  Belcamino, come on down.
[01:37:30]  She'll kick you off.
[01:37:31]  Come on down.
[01:37:32]  Come on down.
[01:37:33]  I love her.
[01:37:33]  What do we got?
[01:37:34]  Yeah, no, no.
[01:37:34]  You can say something.
[01:37:35]  No, no, Edgar, you can say something.
[01:37:36]  She's 40.
[01:37:37]  No kids.
[01:37:37]  Yeah, look, I believe I'm the perfect person to bridge this divide because I'm of stem.
[01:37:42]  I'm ostensibly male, but I never feel so alive as when a man is inside me.
[01:37:47]  So, well, congratulations.
[01:37:49]  Thank you.
[01:37:49]  I'll be here all week.
[01:37:50]  I'm so glad Catherine.
[01:37:52]  Subscribe on YouTube, you bitches.
[01:37:54]  Lib joining us.
[01:37:55]  Come on, bold Lib.
[01:37:56]  Give it up for Edgar.
[01:38:00]  The boldest lib on the internet.
[01:38:04]  What do you got for us?
[01:38:05]  Well, first of all, I'm sitting next to Myron, so, you know, I want to say, like, you know, the world is healing.
[01:38:12]  I have a question for you, Tim.
[01:38:13]  I wanted to know if a woman was working, like that you were dealing with at the casino last night, if your issue would have been resolved.
[01:38:20]  If a woman was working?
[01:38:20]  Yeah.
[01:38:21]  What do you mean?
[01:38:22]  That you, you know, was, you were going to with your, the problem you were having.
[01:38:25]  It was both men and women who told me to go fuck myself.
[01:38:28]  Okay, so no one asked you.
[01:38:29]  Okay.
[01:38:29]  I feel like men are better managers than women.
[01:38:33]  And like, you know, like a casino or something.
[01:38:35]  Like casino employees are usually better as men, to be honest.
[01:38:39]  What?
[01:38:39]  I don't know because it's money.
[01:38:40]  It's more masculine.
[01:38:42]  There are female gamblers.
[01:38:45]  I think they sucked equally in different ways.
[01:38:49]  And this is actually more of a robot question because I'm not going to get in the full details of what happened, but basically a robot stole money from me.
[01:38:56]  And it was, and everybody looked, bro, it was a room full of managers with their thumbs up their asses being like, there's nothing we can do because the robot said so.
[01:39:04]  I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
[01:39:05]  So both men and women equally had their thumbs up their asses.
[01:39:08]  Okay.
[01:39:08]  I was curious.
[01:39:09]  I also wanted to push back on something that Myron said about.
[01:39:12]  Please, because, yeah, let's talk about something interesting, not Tim's gambling addiction.
[01:39:15]  Let's talk about.
[01:39:16]  Hey, come on.
[01:39:17]  Sorry.
[01:39:17]  Sorry, Tammy.
[01:39:19]  You know, just about women not knowing what they want.
[01:39:22]  I wanted to push back on them and say, I do know what I want and it's not that.
[01:39:25]  Okay.
[01:39:26]  I'm pretty sure.
[01:39:27]  Like, I don't want to hear that I'm stupid and weak and things like that.
[01:39:31]  I'm having a hard time understanding how you're so good at empathy when, you know.
[01:39:35]  Yeah, women don't tend to like the truth, which is fine.
[01:39:38]  No big deal.
[01:39:38]  I'll just be continuing to be toxically masculine and women love that.
[01:39:41]  Well, I got a question.
[01:39:43]  Well, actually, women love guys that can tell them that they're dumb and shut up and to be authority, be assertive.
[01:39:49]  But here's an honest question.
[01:39:51]  What percent of women actually prefer to be submissive and dominated by men who are aggressive with them?
[01:39:56]  It's an honest question.
[01:39:58]  I mean, it's not me.
[01:40:00]  I don't know the statistics on that.
[01:40:02]  Women are more subby-wubby than they are, but the issue is being a sub is not the same thing as being abused and berated.
[01:40:08]  I don't know, but these are not the same thing.
[01:40:09]  Bernie Sanders wrote about that, how women like to go home and fantasize about being raped.
[01:40:13]  They do, right?
[01:40:14]  Like, and in the same way that like men like to fantasize about like fucking like magical like troll girls.
[01:40:18]  Like, yes, we all fantasize about weird, stupid shit, right?
[01:40:21]  The issue is that like, you know, in the case of like my marriage, okay, yeah, my husband is my leader and I respect him.
[01:40:27]  But part of why I feel that way towards Nick is because he respects me.
[01:40:32]  He cares about me.
[01:40:33]  When we disagree and it comes to like who's going to be right, I know that like nine times out of ten, he like has my best interest in mind.
[01:40:39]  It's not just because he's like this male superior.
[01:40:41]  And I hear like a lot of these men being like, yeah, men do need to be a good person.
[01:40:44]  No, he is superior because you're deferring to his authority.
[01:40:46]  See, women don't want to acknowledge the fact that man wants a guy that can tell them what to do and can make the decision.
[01:40:52]  Women want to sit there and be like, oh, well, we're equal.
[01:40:54]  But in reality, when push comes to shove, they want to be able to fucking know.
[01:40:57]  Well, the issue, Myron, is that women are able to look at the world and recognize that some people are good at some things and other people are good at other things.
[01:41:04]  And both of these people have to do with the world.
[01:41:05]  Women will still get everything that matters.
[01:41:07]  That's not true.
[01:41:08]  So have a fucking baby.
[01:41:10]  That's the only thing you can do.
[01:41:11]  You still need a man for that.
[01:41:12]  Oh, it's almost like raising a child is the most important thing for society.
[01:41:15]  Haven't we been talking about declining birth rates and how important child rearing is?
[01:41:18]  And now all of a sudden it's been like, oh, all they are good for us.
[01:41:22]  Anything where both men and women could compete and both of them can actually do it, men are better.
[01:41:27]  I would argue this, like for my marriage, I'm basically in charge of externalities.
[01:41:32]  He's in charge of internality, like internal issues.
[01:41:34]  So when it comes to what she needs for the baby, what she needs for the house, where we're going on vacation, who we're seeing for holidays, I just say, you know what?
[01:41:41]  I have no idea.
[01:41:42]  That's up to you.
[01:41:43]  But when it comes to calling lawyers, dealing with bullshit, getting shit done, I'm going to go and fight.
[01:41:50]  I put on this.
[01:41:50]  I'm going to fight the grizzly bear if it shows up with my bare hands and then die.
[01:41:54]  You save the baby.
[01:41:54]  Yeah, you delegate authorities, but that's a part of being a man and being a leader.
[01:41:58]  This is why, like, when a woman's in a leadership role, it's a problem for the relationship.
[01:42:01]  It's probably not going to last.
[01:42:02]  Women want a guy who's going to be assertive, dominant, taller, stronger, everything.
[01:42:05]  They try to sit there and say, I'm equal to you, but they're really not.
[01:42:07]  They're inferior and they want a feeling for you.
[01:42:09]  I disagree though.
[01:42:09]  Like, I've been in a lot of relationships where we handle the conflicts.
[01:42:13]  Okay, where are those guys now?
[01:42:15]  Well, that's a problem with them.
[01:42:17]  Hold on.
[01:42:18]  That's a hold on them.
[01:42:22]  The nuanced answer.
[01:42:23]  The real answer is that probably 80% of people do prefer a gender-traditional relationship, and that's totally fine.
[01:42:28]  I have no issue with people wanting gender-traditional relationships.
[01:42:30]  The problem with your worldview is there's no space for anything else.
[01:42:33]  And the reality is that non-gender-traditional relationships just do exist and can flow.
[01:42:37]  No, because I understand that women can't make their own decisions, so I have to do it for them.
[01:42:40]  So you'll sit there and say, oh, 80% is actually higher than that.
[01:42:43]  Because the reality is women are attracted to men that are better than them.
[01:42:45]  That's how it is.
[01:42:46]  Now you have to fight with all of science and data.
[01:42:48]  Just telling you guys how you want to be treated, which is inferior.
[01:42:51]  How come it is?
[01:42:51]  How come whenever there's a polycule, the woman's always like fat, and the guys are all weird looking?
[01:42:56]  I've seen a lot of polycules that are like one man, two women, and everyone's kind of hot.
[01:43:00]  I'm not going to lie.
[01:43:01]  The ones we see online, it's always like some big fat chick with three fat guys.
[01:43:04]  Yeah, it turns out not everything you see online is real.
[01:43:07]  I don't say that there's a huge difference.
[01:43:10]  There's a huge difference between being assertive and being a leader and just calling women stupid and hoes over and over again.
[01:43:15]  If anything, that's weak and it's really kind of boring.
[01:43:20]  Well, and this is I'm not even trying to do that.
[01:43:23]  All that herm woman.
[01:43:24]  Who's that chick?
[01:43:25]  On the YouTube channel where all she does say women's.
[01:43:27]  That's boring too.
[01:43:28]  You have a cat.
[01:43:29]  Oh, that's right.
[01:43:30]  There is something kind of like inherently, even from a young age, when guys would bully girls, it meant they liked them.
[01:43:35]  You know what I mean?
[01:43:36]  You know what I mean?
[01:43:36]  So you're saying Myron likes me?

=== Strong Men's Secrets (10:12) ===

[01:43:39]  Yeah.
[01:43:40]  You started with me first, so I think it's the other way around.
[01:43:42]  I know that sounds weird.
[01:43:42]  It sounds stereotype, but that's kind of like a thing.
[01:43:45]  So I think Myron likes women, but it's like this weird thing that if you attack them, that makes them makes.
[01:43:50]  Strong men can't be honest about their feelings.
[01:43:52]  Got it.
[01:43:53]  It is hard.
[01:43:54]  Because this is well, one thing I will tell you guys, never cry in front of your girlfriend.
[01:43:58]  You're a f  ⁇  if you do.
[01:43:59]  You never do that.
[01:44:00]  There's Jerry Gaines.
[01:44:03]  They'll sit there slowly.
[01:44:04]  You're going to be vulnerable in front of me and then she'll use it against you a year later.
[01:44:07]  Don't cry.
[01:44:08]  There's only one thing.
[01:44:10]  Get out of those relationships.
[01:44:10]  There's only one time a man is allowed to cry.
[01:44:13]  In front of all men is when your dog dies.
[01:44:14]  Yeah, don't die.
[01:44:15]  Nothing else.
[01:44:16]  If your dog dies, you can cry, but go cry in the bathroom.
[01:44:19]  All right, stay up here, Angela.
[01:44:20]  But Tiani, is that Tiani?
[01:44:22]  Is Tiani here?
[01:44:23]  Maybe we can get in one more female before the end of the night.
[01:44:26]  Give it up for Tiani.
[01:44:27]  Come on down.
[01:44:29]  I hope you got something good.
[01:44:30]  You got one minute.
[01:44:33]  You got the bold lib.
[01:44:34]  Myron Gaines, Kat Tamp, and Natsu Eurudite.
[01:44:37]  What do you got for us?
[01:44:38]  Okay, so if we as a society want to get back to traditional values and a strong nuclear family, how are we supposed to do that when we lack strong male role models in the public eye?
[01:44:49]  Especially when we've got public figures with a strong influence amongst young men and boys who are constantly like criticizing 304s, but like bragging about what do you mean you got Andrew Taylor?
[01:45:02]  No, but we've also got Myron Gates.
[01:45:03]  Let's see what Myron has to say.
[01:45:04]  What do you mean, Myron?
[01:45:06]  Well, I think what we tell guys, you know, if you watch the content, we talk a lot about self-improvement, going to the gym, understanding that, you know, you got to be the best version of yourself.
[01:45:14]  And then, you know, obviously pursue the women after you become that complete package because nowadays with the way hypergamy is, women don't want average men anymore.
[01:45:21]  So we're very vocal about that.
[01:45:22]  I think people only look at the content of me debating, you know, women or whatever, but they don't look at all the self-improvement content I put out on, you know, improving your credit, real estate investing, getting in the gym and training.
[01:45:31]  I've seen a lot of that.
[01:45:32]  And I agree with you on a lot of things.
[01:45:33]  Yes, and how Jews control everything.
[01:45:35]  I don't agree with you having women.
[01:45:38]  But like, because I know that you believe in like a strong father figure and traditional values, but you just don't practice that.
[01:45:43]  So that's what can be done.
[01:45:45]  Well, here's the thing.
[01:45:45]  No, no, no, no, no.
[01:45:46]  Here's the thing.
[01:45:47]  What I teach guys is you need to get in a position where you choose what you want to do.
[01:45:51]  If you want to go and have 10 girlfriends, you can.
[01:45:53]  If you want to go ahead and be a monogamous guy and live a certain lifestyle, you could do that too.
[01:45:57]  But the point is that guy needs to get to a position where he can make that choice.
[01:46:00]  If you had a daughter, would you be okay with that?
[01:46:02]  I mean, if I had a daughter, I'd have...
[01:46:03]  Would you be okay with her being with a man that has 10 different women?
[01:46:07]  Yeah.
[01:46:07]  Yes.
[01:46:07]  And I'll tell you why, because that's reality, right?
[01:46:10]  Because this is the ugly part that women don't like to understand.
[01:46:14]  Why don't you grow?
[01:46:15]  I won't become the punisher if that happens.
[01:46:17]  Well, here's the thing.
[01:46:18]  I have to be honest with her.
[01:46:19]  The reality is that women think that they're going to have a higher status guy all to themselves.
[01:46:23]  It just doesn't work that way most of the time.
[01:46:25]  That's not what women are.
[01:46:25]  Women are dating in their socioeconomic status in their age.
[01:46:28]  Like women are just dating people in their social space.
[01:46:31]  I'm sorry.
[01:46:32]  I don't know what to tell you.
[01:46:33]  You guys are wrong.
[01:46:34]  Just go look up the data.
[01:46:35]  The reality is that women are dating people in their social sphere.
[01:46:38]  This is why warm approaches are good and Tinder is AIDS.
[01:46:40]  You shouldn't go on Tinder, by the way.
[01:46:42]  But when you talk about who you're marrying, it's people in your social space with similar values and similar social media.
[01:46:47]  See, this is why you never listen to women's dating.
[01:46:49]  No one cares.
[01:46:49]  The reality is.
[01:46:50]  Science is really spooky.
[01:46:51]  No, no, no, because here's the thing.
[01:46:53]  A study's not going to replicate this.
[01:46:54]  The reality is women have access to higher status guys via the internet, via Instagram, et cetera.
[01:46:58]  So you can meet a girl.
[01:47:00]  You can replicate this.
[01:47:01]  Literally walk me through the process of how a scientific study can't capture which socioeconomic status people are marrying within.
[01:47:08]  Like literally tell me the science is a lot of people.
[01:47:09]  Marrying within and then having access to and dating, et cetera, are two different things.
[01:47:13]  So what I'm trying to explain here is that regular women have access to above average men.
[01:47:18]  A girl, a lot of the times, especially if she's attractive to some degree, has probably dated an NBA player or met with a celebrity or whatever.
[01:47:24]  Women are.
[01:47:25]  What percentage of women do you think have met or dating?
[01:47:27]  Women have way more sexual access to men than men have to women.
[01:47:31]  So what I'm saying is that that shapes the way they view men.
[01:47:35]  That shapes what they think they deserve.
[01:47:37]  That shapes their worldview a lot of the times.
[01:47:39]  If a girl dates an NBA player, she's going to think, damn, I qualify for this level of guy.
[01:47:43]  Average men are no longer worth it because women have a perpetual mindset of the grass is greener on the other side.
[01:47:49]  So that's what I'm trying to say.
[01:47:50]  So my thing is I tell guys, be the grass on the other side that's greener.
[01:47:54]  Be the more attractive guy because it's going to be extremely competitive for you.
[01:47:57]  And then I want the guy to be able to decide what he wants to do.
[01:47:59]  You want to be monogamous in a Christian relationship?
[01:48:01]  Fantastic.
[01:48:01]  Go do it.
[01:48:02]  You want to go ahead and have a bunch of girls?
[01:48:04]  Go do it.
[01:48:04]  My thing is I want men to have the choice, not women, because when women have the choice, they ruin your fucking life.
[01:48:10]  I got a couple people up there.
[01:48:11]  Johnny, thank you so much.
[01:48:12]  Now, one of our last people, Noah Sanders, come on down.
[01:48:15]  Hopefully, we can get through.
[01:48:17]  We love Noah.
[01:48:18]  Come on.
[01:48:22]  Come on down, Noah.
[01:48:23]  Hopefully, we can get through one or two more before we go.
[01:48:26]  What do you got for us, Noah?
[01:48:28]  All right.
[01:48:30]  Thank you all for coming out here tonight.
[01:48:31]  I'm down here.
[01:48:32]  I'm up here from Atlanta, so I'm very glad I could make it up.
[01:48:35]  Thank you, Noah.
[01:48:37]  With second wave feminism, women were encouraged to get jobs and have careers, and that's a great thing that they have that option.
[01:48:43]  But due to that, the workforce was doubled overnight.
[01:48:47]  That caused more workers competing for jobs, driving down overall wages.
[01:48:50]  That led to the standard of dual-income households, making it nearly impossible for a sole breadwinner to own a home or raise a family.
[01:48:58]  Do we think, do y'all believe that coupled with modern feminism promoting long-term relationships, not promoting long-term relationships or marriages, that it has ultimately led to the economic struggles that we as young people are facing today?
[01:49:10]  Yes.
[01:49:10]  No.
[01:49:11]  Absolutely not.
[01:49:12]  And I'm so glad you brought up the economy.
[01:49:15]  All right.
[01:49:16]  Not only is it inevitable that women are going to enter the workforce, it was necessary because you have to compete as an economy in a global market.
[01:49:23]  And it's very, very important that your GDP is globally competitive.
[01:49:27]  If everyone else lets women enter into the workforce, which inevitably is going to happen if you're globally competing, increasing your labor product by 50% is an explosion when it comes to economic momentum, things like productivity.
[01:49:41]  The reality is that women being in the workforce is a major part of what has led to the American pre-dominance of the economy.
[01:49:49]  It's just going to be a good thing.
[01:49:51]  Planes crashing.
[01:49:53]  It's not at the cost of your children.
[01:49:55]  Your children have a higher quality of life than they've ever had.
[01:49:58]  Why are you blaming women when you should be mad at just come in?
[01:50:02]  Go grab the mic.
[01:50:03]  If you have a point.
[01:50:04]  Wait, do you have a point?
[01:50:05]  Get up and go on the mic real quick.
[01:50:06]  And then Taylor Lorenzi's ex, come on down.
[01:50:09]  You're going to be our last one.
[01:50:10]  If you want to say something, get on the mic back there.
[01:50:12]  We like an aggressive female like you.
[01:50:15]  Put him on the male.
[01:50:17]  Put him in.
[01:50:18]  We're sexy.
[01:50:19]  What do you have for sex?
[01:50:19]  Thank you, Noah.
[01:50:20]  We love you, Noah.
[01:50:21]  You made some great points.
[01:50:22]  We already said we don't like men.
[01:50:23]  All right, get on the mic.
[01:50:24]  I'm here because my husband, Eric McCartney, watches y'all show.
[01:50:30]  I yell at him like we need a date night.
[01:50:33]  And he watches y'all shit.
[01:50:35]  This is our fucking date night.
[01:50:37]  Yeah.
[01:50:37]  Yeah, the man's making the decisions, obviously.
[01:50:41]  I'm a supportive woman.
[01:50:43]  Okay?
[01:50:44]  We've raised nine children between yours one, ours, and theirs.
[01:50:49]  Three biological, okay?
[01:50:52]  I understand what y'all saying.
[01:50:54]  Yes, women, we deserve a right to go to work.
[01:50:57]  We own our house because I worked hard enough to buy it myself, but we cannot be legally married because America no longer supports family fucking households.
[01:51:09]  Wait, sorry, if you're married to your husband, why can't you get married?
[01:51:13]  You get less benefits.
[01:51:15]  Why can't you?
[01:51:16]  Wait, so you're committing to the business.
[01:51:18]  I worked by ISOP.
[01:51:20]  My parents were crackheads and hands.
[01:51:21]  You're going to go to jail, man.
[01:51:22]  I was in foster care.
[01:51:23]  Millions of people watch this podcast.
[01:51:24]  I'm going to kick off to get my house.
[01:51:27]  I bought my house on my name, but guess what?
[01:51:29]  My husband pays for it once I work hard enough.
[01:51:33]  Okay, mortgage fraud is a crime.
[01:51:36]  Why can't you?
[01:51:38]  No, I have no idea what you're saying.
[01:51:39]  The system of welfare benefits famous single women.
[01:51:41]  Because you're like a little cheatsy bitch.
[01:51:43]  That's probably cats.
[01:51:46]  I don't know why you're so messy, bitch.
[01:51:47]  I'm not from Baltimore, bitch.
[01:51:49]  I came from the bottom and I worked my way up.
[01:51:52]  That's awesome.
[01:51:52]  Give it up for her.
[01:51:55]  What true feminism is if you find a man that you know?
[01:52:01]  I'll support you.
[01:52:02]  You work hard enough to hold your own children.
[01:52:03]  Can I ask you now?
[01:52:04]  Oh, yes, bitch.
[01:52:05]  I got you.
[01:52:06]  Okay.
[01:52:06]  That's right.
[01:52:07]  It boils down to it.
[01:52:08]  Why is a competitive GDP in pages?
[01:52:12]  Why is a competitive GDP important for a country?
[01:52:14]  Huh?
[01:52:14]  Why is a competitive GDP important for a country?
[01:52:17]  This bitch is drunk.
[01:52:18]  She didn't know she was.
[01:52:19]  I'm not all that shit, but that ain't real reality of America.
[01:52:22]  Honey, I'm an American.
[01:52:24]  That's literally an older.
[01:52:26]  I love how you're patting.
[01:52:30]  I love that argument.
[01:52:31]  Everyday American that works every day.
[01:52:32]  Not the argument.
[01:52:33]  Thank you so much.
[01:52:34]  Thank you.
[01:52:35]  Thank you.
[01:52:35]  Competitive a lot.
[01:52:36]  Graph go up.
[01:52:37]  Why, why?
[01:52:38]  I'll ask you, Tim, if you're saying it's graphic, it's not GraphGo up.
[01:52:41]  I'm not saying just have a bigger GDP.
[01:52:42]  I'm saying competitive, a competitive GDP.
[01:52:44]  Why does that matter?
[01:52:46]  When you have no kids, it doesn't.
[01:52:47]  Why does it matter for a nation state to have a competitive GDP?
[01:52:50]  If you have no kids, it doesn't.
[01:52:51]  It absolutely does.
[01:52:52]  Not if you got no kids.
[01:52:53]  Yes, it does.
[01:52:54]  Wait, Tony, what do you want to say real quick as you're almost done?
[01:52:56]  Taylor Rins, we wanted our one transgender representative because we need that.
[01:53:01]  All right, Assassin's Creed.
[01:53:02]  You got one minute.
[01:53:03]  Taylor Lorenz, are you here?
[01:53:04]  Is Taylor Rins ex here?
[01:53:05]  Oh, yeah, there you go.
[01:53:06]  God, that mask, you look so fucking scary.
[01:53:09]  First off, first off, let me say I'm not wearing a spicy vest.
[01:53:15]  The American left has been getting pretty cozy with Muslim and Islam culture, and that seems to be in direct conflict with their pet issues of feminism and LGBT.
[01:53:25]  As a center-right-leaning transsexual myself, I am concerned about the mainstreaming of Islam and eventually Sharia law in this country.
[01:53:31]  And to tie it back into today's theme, I would imagine feminists would have similar feelings.

=== Hear Guys' Opinions (02:01) ===

[01:53:35]  How does this conflict work itself out?
[01:53:38]  I feel that the left is just using feminism and LGBT as disposable weapons, useful only when they align with their political goals.
[01:53:44]  What do you all think?
[01:53:46]  Go sit down, Taylor.
[01:53:48]  Don't land on your balls when you do that.
[01:53:49]  I think that is a really good point about how modern feminism is very deferential to Islam, which is weird.
[01:53:55]  I just, yeah, I agree.
[01:53:56]  I'm extremely anti-Muslim.
[01:53:58]  I think that Islam is extremely oppressive to women, and I'm not a fan of it.
[01:54:02]  And I actually agree.
[01:54:03]  I think it's an area that's third wave neglected.
[01:54:05]  Fourth wave is actually a lot more attentive to it.
[01:54:06]  Yeah, feminism is mostly bad.
[01:54:08]  We agree.
[01:54:08]  Is what?
[01:54:09]  What?
[01:54:10]  I just didn't hear you.
[01:54:12]  All right.
[01:54:13]  Well, guys, give it up for yourselves.
[01:54:15]  Thank you guys for being here this evening.
[01:54:18]  Now, before we end, Angela, you go first.
[01:54:21]  Say where people can find you and how they can support you.
[01:54:23]  Oh, thank you so much.
[01:54:24]  I'm at Angela Bell Camino on X, TikTok, Instagram, all that jazz.
[01:54:29]  Thanks, guys, for having me.
[01:54:32]  Myron Gaines X on everything, Rumble, YouTube Kick, et cetera, and Fresh Fit Podcasts, as you guys know.
[01:54:39]  Go live every day, and yeah.
[01:54:42]  I'm primetime Pip on a Blam.
[01:54:44]  Thank you guys for being here.
[01:54:45]  We're going to do some more of these.
[01:54:46]  These wouldn't be possible without you guys.
[01:54:48]  So thank you guys for being here.
[01:54:51]  Thank you guys for hosting me.
[01:54:52]  Thank you guys for being so gracious as to bring me here.
[01:54:54]  Not so erudite, everywhere, YouTube, Twitter.
[01:54:56]  You can fight with me there.
[01:54:57]  You all had big opinions, so come fight with me.
[01:55:01]  Yeah, I'm Kat.
[01:55:02]  Thank you all.
[01:55:03]  Kat Timf on everything.
[01:55:05]  And yeah, can't wait to hear from all you guys.
[01:55:11]  Thank you.
[01:55:11]  All right, everybody.
[01:55:13]  Thank you so much for coming out to our third Culture War Live.
[01:55:16]  We have many more in the works.
[01:55:17]  We are planning them out.
[01:55:18]  We will set them up.
[01:55:19]  Who knows where we'll be?
[01:55:20]  Maybe New York, maybe DC, maybe Florida.
[01:55:23]  We'll figure it out.
[01:55:24]  You guys can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
[01:55:26]  Stay tuned.
[01:55:27]  More to come throughout the day.
[01:55:28]  And we'll see you all next time.
[01:55:29]  Peace.
[01:55:35]  Give it up, guys.