Getting Pardoned For January 6th, What Really Happened w/ Jay Johnston, Stewart Rhodes, Jacob Chansley, & Nick Ochs
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Try gratis on FIKEN.no On January 20th, Donald Trump issued an executive order pardoning or commuting the sentences of everyone alleged to have committed crimes Donald Trump issued an executive order pardoning or commuting the sentences of everyone alleged to have committed crimes
in studio, we have four people with intimate knowledge of that fateful day as they were at the Capitol on January 6th.
We have a full panel today, so gentlemen, if you would introduce yourself, we'll start down here.
So Oath Keepers was there to do security that day at two permitted events on Capitol grounds.
One was the Latinos for Trump event in Lower Senate Park, which is called Area 7. And the other one was the Ali Alexander stopped a steal rally right outside the doors on the east side in Area 8. And that's why we were there to do security.
And our guys escorted a bunch of people from the Ellipse rally in the VIP section towards the Capitol for Ali Alexander's event.
And then they got swept up in the excitement of the day and walked into the Capitol 20 minutes after Congress had recessed.
And when they were inside, they actually helped police.
I was standing outside, didn't even go inside, but I was standing on the outside trying to locate my security teams.
But of course, because we're Oath Keepers, we were targeted for, along with the Proud Boys, the worst charges of all, suspicious conspiracy, which is just absurd.
Our guys inside actually helped police.
In fact, there was one officer, Harry Dunn, who was on his M4. Getting ready to shoot a bunch of Trump supporters, and our guys stepped in between and de-escalated the situation, put their backs to the officer, put their hands out towards the Trump supporters and de-escalated it.
But on the stand, he lied.
And we caught him in the lie.
We caught another Capitol Police officer, Lazarus, lying.
He was caught later by Steve Baker on video because they said they were both together.
Well, later on, Steve Baker discovered that the Lazarus guy was actually under the tunnels, under the Senate.
So we caught him in perjury.
That's what happened to us.
And so we were railroaded through a show trial.
It's all about stopping Trump from being able to run again, disqualifying by the 14th Amendment.
That's what really happened to us.
So I got 18 years because I refused to turn on President Trump, refused to bitch out, refused to take a plea deal with the trial, along with my co-defendants.
So I got 18 years.
Kelly Meggs, my co-defendant, got 14 years.
And then on down the line, Jessica Watkins and Kenny Harrelson, I believe we're like seven and five years each.
So long story short, though, this is all a big setup to try to get Trump out of office.
It's a complete dog and pony show.
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Jay, what was it like for you on January 6th?
Well, I didn't do any violence.
I was caught up in a crowd push that trapped me in there for a bit, and it appeared on video that I was pushing, but I was just trying to stand up.
And I got out of there as soon as I could.
They considered that they should charge me with assault because I touched a police shield that was handed to me, but I was just handing it back to the cops when...
They claimed that I was making or completing a shield wall, and they basically just turned everything I had done that day, because you're on video the entire time, the most videoed thing in human history, I guess.
You could see my actions the whole time, and they just characterized it as very violent or with ill intent and that type of thing.
And when I was, they raided my house and then finally arrested me, and I, as Stuart said, I guess, bitched out.
But actually, when I went for sentencing, I figured I'd only get like a few months, maybe six months, maybe house arrest, something like that I was hoping for.
But I felt like they were trying to make an example of me so that they wouldn't have other actors at rallies or something.
I don't know.
But the judge ended up giving me a sentence of a year and a day in prison.
And that was...
What really vaulted me into a larger sentence was one of the things was on the first page of my charging memorandum.
A sentencing memorandum was a picture of me from a Halloween party two years prior where I dressed up as Jacob Chansley, a QAnon shaman.
And it was the best costume ever.
But they were like, he obviously doesn't take this seriously and he's making fun of these proceedings.
And then proceeded to show a video that I had shot myself on my phone of some rioters crowd surfing a big ladder into the tunnel entrance to Fight police with a two-story ladder.
And I thought that was kind of funny and made a comment about them trying to fix the light bulbs finally.
And that was some hilarious joke that, of course, was very bad for me.
So I should work on my comedy a bit.
That working on your comedy is something that I want to get back to a little bit.
But, Jacob, you're probably the most notorious of the panel here just because of the... Regalia.
...uniform that you wore on January 6th.
Why don't you go ahead and outline a little bit of your experience?
My experience was a day of unity, peace, and love.
And when I made my way down to the Capitol building, I... In my experience, everything was fine until the police started shooting concussion grenades, tear gas, and rubber bullets into the crowd.
That's when all hell broke loose.
That was when the riot started.
So if the police were shooting tear gas at the barricades to push people back from the barricades, that would make sense.
But they were shooting it into the middle of a peaceful crowd.
So people are going to move forward to get away from the tear gas.
I mean, you're a Marine.
You know tear gas sucks.
It is your instinct to move away from it.
So that was when all hell broke loose.
I actually stopped somebody from stealing.
It's just muffins from a break room.
But it's a principle of the matter.
I did stop somebody from stealing.
That was my intention when I went in the building.
I also volunteered to help the police when I saw there were people in the Senate.
That's why they were escorting me around the building.
And I also, when I got out of the building, I was the one that played Donald Trump's tweet on my megaphone and stood in front of an angry mob trying to break into the Capitol and told everybody to go home.
So there was a lot of...
Distortion in the Mockingbird Media's narrative.
They chose to use me as their poster boy because my image created the illusion that the violence and the chaos that took place outside the building also took place inside, even though it didn't.
You see?
So it created that PSYOP illusion.
And in that regard, what's really funny is they tried to say that when they went after me that it was because I was dangerous or a flight risk or whatever, but...
And then they tried to say there was no bias in their approach to this, but when I asked for my regalia back when I got out, the government didn't want to give it back because they said that the regalia, the horns, the face paint, the staff, my presence there was a quote-unquote sign of strength.
And what's really crazy about that, and this just goes to show that when you ask a lawyer to represent you, make sure they are going to represent you.
Because when I got back from Colorado after my psych eval, my lawyer had lied to the media and told everybody that I was schizophrenic, bipolar, depressed, and delusional.
None of which was in my psyche, Val.
So, I mean, this is, and coming back full circle, this is why we need real representatives in the Congress, because most of our congressmen, guess what?
Yeah, so I went to January 6th to cover it as a journalist.
I was there with a media group I'm a part of called Murder in the Media, which is why we doodled that on the door, which was a big spicy moment, and then had the somewhat famous photograph of me smoking.
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That word does tend to get people a little nervy, right?
There are some, but we suspect the ones that are violent inside.
Like, for example...
There was a situation, Tariq Johnson, I don't know if you saw the black officer with the Trump hat on his head.
And so he recruited an Oath Keeper, retired cop, Mike Nichols, on the east side to go up with him, up the steps, and he gave Mike Nichols his bullhorn.
And Mike Nichols said, Oath Keeper coming through and part of the crowd.
We went on a lot of shows to the jury, of course.
But he went inside with Tariq Johnson and helped get some of the Capitol Police officers out who were all dressed in riot gear.
There were some violent people inside.
He suspects that those were...
Provocateurs.
There were the inside job provocateurs.
Very few people being very violent inside.
But that was the one exception that I know it was that incident.
But once again, we were not allowed to show any of that to the jury.
We're not allowed to show any footage of an Oathkeeper cop helping the police because that doesn't fit the narrative.
The narrative is we're anti-cop somehow.
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So generally, and I want to ask this of everybody, do you guys feel like you had a fair representation?
The prosecutors were actually giving a fair representation.
I understand the prosecutors are going to try to convince the jury that you are guilty.
That's their job, so that does make sense.
But do you feel like it was a dishonest portrayal, or do you think that it was something that you could say, no, there were times where they were saying things, and I can understand their perspective, but I disagree with it. - No, they were outside the lines.
They were suborning perjury, they were coaching lying on the stand, they were withholding what they call pretty material, exculpatory evidence. - And one more thing, do you think the judges Yes.
The government fought tooth and nail to get these things tried, these cases tried in D.C., okay?
They did not want to go anywhere else because they knew, and if I'm not mistaken, they even said as much to Enrique Tarrio, that they knew that they'd get laughed out of court if they went anywhere else but D.C., right?
So if we have a court system in Washington, D.C. that you're going to get a different ruling on than if you're in Phoenix A.Z., and it's still a federal court, right, but it's different rulings?
Then we have a two-tier justice system.
We, as January Sixers, were over-prosecuted.
There's something called prosecutorial discretion.
Now, prosecutors chose to go after us with all of their might.
They chose to go after us the way they should have gone after Joe Biden's son.
The way they should have gone after Hunter Biden.
You see?
But they use their prosecutorial discretion to over-prosecute us and under-prosecute BLM and Antifa, which, by the way, over 200 days' worth of riots, and 95-98% of the charges, federal charges, on Antifa and BLM dropped.
If you've been to the White House, when they drove, they drove President Trump under the bunker in June.
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We talk about that a lot.
The May 29th insurrection at the White House because of the fact that the media did treat that as if it was just people getting a little too rambunctious or whatever.
But if that – I think everyone around the table here and – Pretty much all of our viewers would agree that if that were to have been Joe Biden or Barack Obama, all of the people at the White House would have been wrapped up, and it's possible that Secret Service would have gone kinetic on them.
This kind of stuff is part of why so many people in the U.S., I think, actually look at the situation when it comes to January 6th, and they say, well, wait a minute.
So it's bad the guys that were fighting the cops, right?
We can agree that that's bad.
And this is just a genuine sense.
I'm not trying to make an argument for that or against that.
But I feel like the genuine sense is it was bad the people that fought the cops.
But there were so many people that were arrested and there were so many people that got such extensive...
You know, sentences.
And yet, at the same time, you had people that were outside of Supreme Court justices' houses.
But there's a guy that was threatening to kill one of the Supreme Court...
I think it was Kavanaugh.
But it might have been Alito.
I'm not sure.
Either way, it doesn't matter.
The point is someone was actually threatening to kill them and they were actually on site at their residence.
The...
Just like you guys have mentioned, the summer of love, the whole riots across the country, and you hear that the vice president was promoting a bail fund for the rioters.
And I also think that that's part of why January 6th happened.
That was under siege for at least 100 days, possibly longer.
longer.
Every night the riot police were out there, you know, defending the, the, the feds building.
And, and so when you go to the, go to DC thinking that it's going to be a peaceful protest and the vast majority of people were, you know, it makes sense that, that the American people are kind of like, wait a minute here, hold on.
You know, unless you're the most partisan person, you know, imaginable, you're going to kind of have that sense.
Do you guys have, I mean, I assume you have the same sense.
2020, all of 2020, and the Hunter Biden laptop suppression, along with the rigged election, along with January 6th, all of these things are the hallmarks of regime change.
Our government, the CIA, our government has become expert level at regime change.
What we have to do is recognize all the hallmarks or all the signs of regime change, right?
Most of the time, regime changes happen when there's a death of a monarch or an election.
So what we saw in 2020 was a globalist, Chinese, radical Islam, like all of these communist, fascism, Satanism, Luciferian, they all got together pretty much and agreed that they were going to try to destroy America.
And if you look into Yuri Bezmenov and his talk about the ideological subversion campaign of the Soviet Union, psychological warfare, Demoralization, destabilization, crisis, and normalization, then what you're seeing when you look at January 6th in context of the last several decades is that these people that have been trying to destroy our country for decades finally got in office.
At least that's what January 6th and all that stuff was all about.
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And I consider it just a really crappy afternoon, you know?
Elaborate a little bit on what your sense of the situation was, Jay.
When you went there, what were you thinking when you were going there, and what were you thinking when you were actually there?
What was your intent on being there?
My intent on being there was to basically stand up for people that couldn't be there, and myself included, to support, I guess, pushback against a lot of the lefts where we were headed politically in our country.
The ridiculous things that were being instituted in schools, the indoctrination, the trans movement, not to say that I'm against trans people or anything like that.
It's just that it doesn't really have a place and a forefront in our society and to be celebrated as much as it was kind of shoved down our throats.
And that type of thing just didn't seem to make sense to me.
When I was there, I was quite surprised at the group that people made up that group.
It was a lot of, as I said, like grandmas and older people.
And there was kids.
And someone pointed out the other day there was a bunch of dogs there.
This is not a crowd.
Yeah, truly.
And it's not a crowd that showed up to do battle.
You know, to usurp the government or overthrow anything.
And the amounts of the tear gas that was shot into the crowd and the rubber bullets, which I didn't experience any of the rubber bullets, but the tear gas certainly.
That was pretty intense stuff that, you know, you're just a group standing there.
It was kind of a boring, boring event.
I've said many times it was not like the news characterized it or, you know, how you would experience it watching it at home live.
It was they were they were cutting from one action moment to the next.
And it just seemed like a wall of violence.
And it certainly wasn't that I'd never been to a protest before and I had no idea what was going to happen.
So I was kind of surprised when I started seeing people in like younger guys in military, you know, stuff, garb, pulling weapons and stuff out of their backpacks.
And I thought, well, this is kind of weird.
I thought this was just a protest that would be, you know, certainly peaceful.
And they started, you know, yelling at the police and this and that.
And later on, I figured that that was what they meant by agent provocateurs.
The presence of the FBI's assets and CHS's and confidential human sources and that type of thing.
And when I heard about that, it felt like there was a lot of that there because it was very odd.
Like, out of nowhere, people would just, you know, start stuff with the police.
And then I also saw the police...
Like starting stuff themselves.
Like when people turn around, they'd hit them with a club or just be very aggressive with little provocation.
And it became very confusing as to why these pockets of violence were erupting and what people were planning on doing with that.
So when I got caught up in it, I didn't feel threatened at all because the group was...
For the most part, you know, peaceful.
And it started, you know, getting a little bit rowdy.
And I thought, well, this is ridiculous.
Like, there's no reason for this.
And then a crowd push came and I got caught in that.
But I ran like a sissy away from that because I wanted no part of it.
There's no point, you know.
So it was a real education in the way that the media can...
Take an event and totally change it towards their narrative.
And people remarked to me that, you know, I feared for my family when I was watching that.
So what happened in 2020 is, like we were already saying, the left was in wide open insurrection across the country, taking over territory in Seattle, Atlanta, all over the place.
They were actually committing insurrection.
So...
The reaction to what the violence on the left was going on is why you had Trump supporters wearing helmets and hard-knuckle gloves, because Antifa had been attacking them for years.
And there were two other big rallies, November and December, in D.C., where folks marched from Freedom Plaza all the way to the Supreme Court, right there between the Supreme Court and the Capitol, all around the Capitol.
So already the pattern was to have rallies all over Washington, D.C., including all around the Capitol.
That's not unusual.
And so when people went from the ellipse to the Capitol, I believe there was nine planned events around the Capitol that day, as there had been in November and December.
So when people say, oh, Trump told them to go to the Capitol, otherwise they would never have gone there, that's just not true.
When he said, now you're going to go to the Capitol, what he meant was, now I know you're going to the Capitol for pre-planned events.
And so when folks walk there, the fact that they're wearing helmets because Antifa likes to throw frozen water bottles and bricks and things like that, none of them were dressed to fight the government or take over the government.
I did notice a few times I would run across like four or five people wide down the sidewalk walking on a dark street and they were all like Antifa looking with the black hoodies and all that.
Black lock dressed.
Yeah.
And just sort of shoulder to shoulder looking for trouble it seemed like.
And I agree.
That's a great point because there was that feeling that Antifa would be there and you had to watch out a little bit.
So that makes sense why they were dressed that way.
That was when you heard – well, I mean, what's his name?
Rodney King riots.
I mean, like, this idea is – it's been for a long time that – and if you look at it, every single election year, presidential election year for the last several decades, there's always a new virus and a new race issue.
That gets brought up every single presidential election year.
So anyway, so they set all that up.
Then they have the Hunter Biden laptop suppression.
Then you have the Zucker boxes.
You have the mail-in ballots.
All of this stuff because of COVID. And remember, they were also saying that Trump supporters going to rallies were super spreaders, but these people riding in the streets were peaceful protesters.
So once again, we show the media's bias.
When we get to what happened on January 6th, we have to remember that three weeks before January 6th, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell changed the law.
They made it to where Chief Sund, the Capitol Police Chief, could not invoke the National Guard at will.
He had to file paperwork now because they changed the law.
So when he files the paperwork asking for the National Guard, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell say no.
Why do they say no?
Because...
Bad optics and because there's no need.
There's no paperwork that says we need the National Guard there.
Now, Yogananda Pittman, who Tariq Johnson actually has blown the whistle on this woman, she's in charge of intelligence and Capitol Police.
She had the intelligence from Mark Milley and the Pentagon that there was going to be over a dozen known terrorists in the crowd.
She sat on it.
She apparently had information that the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys were going to do something.
She sat on it.
She didn't get it to Chief Sund.
Why?
Well, because she's friends with Nancy Pelosi.
And because that paperwork being in his official file for the request of the National Guard would have got the National Guard there.
You see?
And then when we factor in the fact that there were confidential human informants for federal agencies, when we factor in the idea that there were federal agents in the crowd, if there's over a million people in Washington, D.C., in the streets, and there's not federal agents in the crowd, the government's not doing their job.
Okay?
So...
Coming full circle here, we also have BLM and Antifa not showing up to protest as counter-protesters, but infiltrating the crowd.
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I do think that that's probably one of the more notable issues that was fairly obvious.
Like you guys had said, BLM and Antifa had been active opposition at every single Trump rally.
You couldn't go to a Trump rally without there being at least some.
That's why both Oathkeepers and Proud Boys, over the entire administration, we've been out there in the streets constantly defending people against them.
Now, this is really important, though, because this is the conclusion of what I'm getting at.
What was the reason for the setup of the riot?
Why?
Why?
Well, because they wanted to stop the debate regarding the certification.
They didn't want that information entered into the record.
That's number one.
And if the riot didn't work, they were going to use the pipe bomber as the excuse.
They still have not found that pipe bomber.
The Secret Service erased all of their text messages.
That's 1512 right there.
That's an obstruction of an official proceeding.
Documents or whatever.
But anyway, the point is that all of these things happen in sequence.
The media is there.
It's all a big setup.
By the way, also, a Ukrainian spy named Sergei Dobinin was there.
I only know that because the FBI told me he was a Ukrainian spy because he asked to take a picture with me.
And I had no idea who he was until the FBI told me who he was.
So, obviously, Ukraine intelligence has a role to play.
And then, wait a second, we went to war in Ukraine after Biden got in office?
But the point is, it was a setup designed to create a PSYOP. The PSYOP was intended to create a demand for Donald Trump to not ever be in office again.
Also, to impeach him or even throw him in prison, and to go after his supporters, to paint his supporters as evil, insurrectionist, dangerous to democracy, and to have the constituents of the Democrat Party demand that these people not have their constitutional rights obeyed.
So we see the layout here of how it is that they saw that, okay, if we're going to do a regime change, we need to go after this group, and we have to figure out a way to demonize them as much as possible.
So that when we go after them in the media, the country will cheer.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't get the sense that there's a lot of disagreement with those points on the right.
I feel like that's kind of the common sentiment.
That the intent of going after Donald Trump was to prevent him from being the president again.
The intent of going after you guys and your fellow people that were at January 6th.
The intent of doing that and kicking in the doors of old ladies and using actual direct action raids on innocent people.
Was to strike fear in the hearts of conservatives.
Make them afraid that the government will treat them as if they're terrorists.
And that's also what – that was the point of the FBI going after parents for having the wrong politics because they had the audacity to go and stand up against some of the stuff that – You were talking about, Jay, about the LGBT stuff in schools and the audacity to go to – for going to a PTA meeting and saying, I don't want my kids to see this, and so the federal government gets involved.
So I think that that's the general consensus.
I don't know that there's – I don't think that there's a lot of people that disagree.
But you were talking about the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys and stuff like that being security.
What was your experience for leading up to the day at other riots and stuff like that?
But the point is, those kind of things, those were common even before Trump had gotten into office.
I remember my history, or my background, I come from the music industry.
And a lot of my friends that were very anti-Trump, they were saying things like, it's okay to punch a Nazi.
And they were calling Ben Shapiro a Nazi.
And it's like, look, man.
It's Jewish!
It's one thing if you're actually talking about Nazis or whatever, there may be an argument, even though it's illiberal.
The Skokie, Illinois case says that people with terrible views still have the right to say them.
You can't punch people because you're only going to make more of whatever you're punching.
If you have the opinion that these people's views are too bad to be allowed to be expressed, and then people find out that their views are just normal conservatives, and they're being attacked by Antifa, people like...
Ben Shapiro, that was when Ben Shapiro first had to start getting security.
People like, regardless of how anyone might feel about him, Milo Yiannopoulos, who was, you know, he liked to go ahead and say things that were inflammatory, but he didn't have particularly extreme...
I just wanted to point out that that was something that the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, that had been going on long before even Trump actually got into office.
But if you don't protect free speech for everyone, then you get no free speech for anybody.
And so that's why we were in the streets, to protect Americans' free speech.
And I don't care what your political view is.
You have a right to express it.
And that's what we were doing.
And so our pattern, this is kind of bizarre to have them label us as violent.
No Oath Keeper has ever.
We have a lot of cops.
Like 30% of our guys are cops.
Even in Berkeley, they were carrying guns.
Our cops can carry nationwide.
We were effective at deterring them.
Proud Boys, their way of doing it, a little bit different, more like street fighting, but, you know, power to them.
I have no problem with that.
It's kind of yin and yang kind of thing.
But together, we were very effective.
And TIFA hates us, and the left hates us, which is why, with January the 6th, they wanted to make Oath Keepers and Proud Boys the poster groups for January the 6th.
And here's how you know it.
February the 16th, 2021, just weeks after J6, Benny Thompson...
Who later on went to chair of the J6 Select Committee.
He filed a lawsuit as a lead plan with other members of Congress suing Trump.
Giuliani, Proud Boys, and Oath Keepers alleging a conspiracy between us to attack the Capitol.
That lets you know that's where the narrative was set.
And everything else after that is Kabuki Theater to make that true.
All our prosecutions, one way to look at this is like one big conspiracy case with Trump as the kingpin and everybody else as his co-conspirators.
But they wanted to tag Oath Keepers and Proud Boys and like Enrique Tarrio and myself were named in particular as his lieutenants.
That's why we were selected out for the worst charge of all.
So this is conspiracy.
Even though our behavior inside the Capitol was many times better than anybody else that was in there.
But they wanted to pin those two groups, the most dangerous groups in America, and Trump's soldiers.
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You've never had any contact with the president, have you?
But the conspiracy charge is so easy to get a conviction.
And that's why they used it, okay?
The conspiracy charge was originally invented.
To go after the mob, okay?
So this comes back to prosecutorial discretion and overcharging people.
So the government is essentially overcharging people to gain a conviction, right?
So in this case, with what you guys are going through, all they have to do is get two people on the stand that say that the government story is real, and legally they can throw you in jail.
And that's how they put the mob in jail, but then they've been using that to go after American citizens that aren't mobsters.
So as soon as I was banned from D.C., which is not surprising, and I didn't have any desire to go there, it was fine.
I get a notification in my Gmail that I have a hotel checked out for Washington, D.C. And I think to myself, well, that's awful strange.
I certainly don't have any plans to go there in the next couple days.
What had happened was somebody had used my name, and I've been docked so many times it's not hard to get my information, to register me as going to D.C. and then called and told the cops or FBI or whoever that I was the pipe bomber and I'm on the way back.
And so I called my lawyer and I said, you know, this is real strange.
Why do I have a hotel reservation in D.C. that I didn't make?
And the only reason it popped up in my Gmail is because they used my real email address and it popped up in my calendar.
Like, I didn't get the reservation email.
It just had a calendar notification.
And this is how I found out that somebody attempted to sell me to the FBI as the pipe bomber.
And this just keeps going on.
I mean, even when I was locked up in prison, what's called the unit counselor got a call from my lawyer and says, I got some good legal news.
Let me talk to Oaks, see about getting him out of there.
So he calls me down.
Of course, that's a conversation you want to have.
But I detected some falsity in the situation because my lawyer had been dead for months.
So I said, this probably isn't legitimate.
What they were doing is trying to get me on the phone to say something incriminating, even though I'm already in prison, though I was beating the case at that point.
And there you go.
How much of this is the government?
How much of this is leftist enthusiasts?
You have to draw that line where you want.
But this is, the whole of our country went down this road for so long that we're just steering off of the...
I have great hope for the future, but we have to be careful.
If you're in any sort of political dissident circle, you have to understand what you're really up against, and it's not just the FBI. It's lawfare and international entities.
Yuri Bezmenov, in the 80s, talked about the global communist conspiracy, you guys.
Why would Yuri Bezmenov, a former KGB operative who's in charge of psychological warfare, tell the American people that there's a global communist conspiracy if there is not?
And if we look at the UN, if we look at the WEF, they're communists!
And what they want to do with 2030, Agenda 2030, is communists.
The Great Reset.
Communists.
And if you say that that's a conspiracy theory, Klaus Schwab's book is...
unidentified
Jay, I want to ask you, you've been a little bit on the quiet side.
Well, it was March of 2021. When they put me on Twitter, a couple of photos from some video of me at the event.
And specified that you're wanted?
Well, they just said, does anyone know who this is?
They have the name of this person wanted in connection with violence at the Capitol and assault on a federal officer.
And people were like, oh yeah, it's Jay Johnston from this show, Sarah Silverman's show, or this other comedy show.
And that was unfortunate.
But a couple people in the industry, some actors and stuff, called me out specifically.
Oh, that's Jay Johnson.
I worked with him and he said he was at the Capitol.
And I did this show with him in Harmontown or whatever.
And people that I barely knew were claiming to be good friends of mine to rat me out to the FBI. And I thought that was kind of interesting because they were just being puppets for a larger...
A person who was in control of them.
But I found that when that happened, everybody who I knew in Hollywood and in the entertainment industry basically turned their backs on me immediately.
A childhood friend of mine ratted me out to the FBI. Wow.
unidentified
I mean, like I said, my background's in the music industry and stuff, so I've, whereas I wasn't at January 6th or whatever, but like, leading up to it, and as people, and I'd been pretty vocal about my political leanings for a long, long time, so people knew that I wasn't, I didn't fall under the woke category.
But I understand what you're saying, where people would just turn their backs on you and start saying, you know, people that were ostensibly friendly with you, or that you were, you know, you'd had...
You know, great relationships with or even positive relationships would just simply start, you know, trashing you in press and in public.
So I'm very, very familiar with that, but please go on a little bit.
It's incredible.
I mean, people I worked with 20 years ago who I've known for 30 years, you know.
And was very close to one of them ratted me out, spent a couple hours on the phone with the FBI, and turned over text messages and that type of thing.
And that person also was very leading and kind of digging for information, texting me on the day.
He found out I was there, and he's like, really, what happened?
And this is someone that you considered a close friend?
Yeah, very close friend.
That's terrible.
Yeah, it was really a treat.
Of course, I can't even imagine his mindset.
It must be that, oh, that guy I've known for years is obviously a terrorist, a domestic terrorist, and wants to destroy our way of life and whatever.
I have no idea.
It just seems like a cloud of nonsense descended upon people for the last few years.
Granted, this happened four years ago, but it hasn't let up, really.
Oh, really?
Yeah, well, I mean, that day when I was put on Twitter by the FBI ended, I mean, I got fired from my jobs, and I called my agent to say, well, I think I got fired from Bob's Burgers, and I don't know because nobody called me.
Is this true?
And my agent was basically like, well, we don't know about that, but we're firing you.
Because we're downsizing, that's why, you know, whatever.
So basically, that was all, you know, gone immediately.
And, you know, they hired somebody to do an impression of my voice on the show, which is hilarious.
And, you know, it's pretty good.
But, you know, it's just like people that basically I had worked very, you know, hand-in-hand with, side-by-side for years.
Nobody.
Absolutely nobody reached out to me at all.
I mean, I didn't feel like I could reach out to them because I knew I was a pariah.
Like, I had family members of mine, one of them that I thought loved me very much, said that I was a disgrace to the family name and didn't even want to be mentioned at a family event while I was in prison.
unidentified
I mean, a lot of people have...
You know, experienced some form of cancellation in the past 10 years.
But I think the stuff that you guys have gone through, you know, to be...
And so is any other country that is going to get in this country.
Wide gangbang that has been going on for a long, long, long time.
Okay?
That's why we've been getting screwed.
When Donald Trump came in and said, we're not doing this anymore, then their local whore decided to no longer be a whore.
But now what we're seeing, though, is that, look at it like this.
In Sun Tzu, Art of War, he said that if you want to know who your spies are, what you do is you take each of your generals into your tent individually, and you give them each a different piece of disinformation.
And then, when a certain piece of disinformation pops up in the enemy camp, you know who your spies are.
You know where your leak is at.
So, it's like putting a different color dye in each of your different little, you know...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the idea here is that if we look and see who's pushing this Chinese agenda, this New World Order, One World Government, UN 2030 agenda, we see the dye in the water.
We can see the networks of news organizations, newspapers, magazines, social media influencers, celebrities.
We get to see the whole globalist apparatus if we know what to look for.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, the influence of, you know, globalist...
Organizations like the WTO, the International Monetary Fund, those kind of things are something that our viewers are actually really, really familiar with.
I think they're pretty read in on the dangers of the UN, the dangers of continuing to be a part of those organizations.
And it's our, at least my sense, that...
We really dodged a bullet with Donald Trump, you know, being elected this time.
I didn't think Donald Trump was going to win because I didn't think that he was going to be allowed to win.
So I really had thought that the powers that be, the establishment, the entrenched bureaucracy had enough control over the media and enough influence over the population where there just wasn't going to be the votes.
It's going to be something.
And if it was close, they would have the means to fix it.
And I tell you what, I've never been happier to be wrong.
That's right.
And it also, not only does it make me happy that I was wrong, but it also gives me more hope than I would have had probably in the past four years.
And the situation, as much as the stuff that you've gone through, I don't want to minimize it at all.
The things that happened to you guys have really made the American people aware of how bad things were.
But if it wasn't for people like you guys that went through this and have the courage to speak up and say, look, these are problems in our country.
And just like you're talking about.
Bringing to light things like Yuri Bezmenov and demoralization and those kind of leftist tactics and shining a light on how much influence the left had, how these tactics actually have been used historically.
Everyone that's over a certain age is aware of the way the Soviets behaved, right?
Like, I'm pushing 50. And when you're a Gen X, you can still remember what the Cold War was like when you were little.
And you saw the way that other countries had coups and stuff like – and the things that the United States would end up pushing back on.
Nowadays, most people have the sense that all of the efforts that the United States was making in the Cold War were all the bad – they were the bad guys.
And we also are in the midst of a transformation in collective consciousness.
We won the culture war.
Okay, that's why you were thinking, I don't know, are we going to be able to pull this off?
Because what we're talking about here is the collective mind.
You were saying on January 6th, the collective mind was like, well, it looks like we're kind of screwed.
But if you weren't watching the media in 2024 and you were just watching the rallies and who was showing up, then you knew Kamala Harris didn't stand a chance, right?
So the PSYOP, any and all PSYOPs, is about controlling the collective mind of the people.
And the way you do that is through neuro-linguistic programming.
Trigger words.
Trigger images.
Deadly insurrection.
My image out there.
Violent image.
This, if you...
Yeah, riot.
Deadly virus.
unidentified
That point, right?
Like, riot.
It was...
They surpassed riot and they called January 6th an insurrection.
Even though there is no historical allegory for that.
There was nothing about January 6th that looked like an actual insurrection.
And dare I say, from an outside perspective, there was really no question about whether or not Joe Biden was going to be sworn in as president that day.
There were people that were hoping that...
That Mike Pence would do something that was unprecedented.
But really, at least from my perspective, again, it was so far outside of likelihood that it was almost a guarantee that even though these people were protesting, there was not going to be any other outcome other than Joe Biden being sworn in as president.
You can go and protest and say, we don't like it, but there was no serious chance that That Pence was going to do that, or that the Supreme Court was going to step in at the last minute and save the Republic.
Well, God will use for good what men mean for evil.
Just like when Joseph was stolen into slavery by his brothers, and later he was betrayed by his master's wife and thrown in prison.
When his brothers were united with him, he said that.
What he meant for evil, God has used for good.
That's what's happened here.
Every attack on President Trump will make him stronger.
And it took the mask off.
They took the mask off and showed their true selves.
Unprecedented lawfare against the next president, trying to keep him out of office.
Unprecedented lawfare against his supporters.
So I think in the long run, it's a benefit for all of us.
I'm glad it happened.
I'm willing to take three years.
I just spent over a year in solitary.
I'm willing to do that because I know in the long run, it helped to expose them.
And it made us all the stronger.
Now we have all the credibility in the world, like you're saying.
We know, we can tell people that we were right.
President Trump was right.
Here's how it works.
And here's what the bad guys are doing, not just to us, but to all of you.
And I think most Americans now understand that.
unidentified
Well, I'm fearful that that is actually not the case for the most part, because I feel like people have heard about the January 6th situation for four years, for so long that it becomes white noise and they're sick of hearing about it.
It's that again, you know, boring, whatever.
Until the pardons came about.
That kind of juiced it up a bit again.
And hopefully people are understanding more of what it was about and understanding that, you know, how deeply the government has affected people's lives as far as destroyed their lives, destroyed their businesses, destroyed their marriages.
People have lost their homes.
I mean, unbelievable fallout from this.
And it all was so willfully...
Done and so aggressively done that it is so far outside anything that you could ever imagine would exist in this country, would be allowed in this country.
I can say from my experience in prison, talking to other guys, what was done to us has been done to millions of Americans across the country in every courtroom in America.
It's just now it's been politicized, done to people that normally wouldn't experience this.
So in the long run, it's beneficial for everyone else out there.
It's been railroaded by lying prosecutors.
They're all committing.
Subordination to perjury.
They're all coercing people and taking deals where they're threatened to long-term prison and then told they have to testify against somebody else.
It happens all across the country in many other cases.
But I think the sentiment that Jay is talking about is actually predominant in America.
I think Joe Sixpack, and I talk about this a lot of times on IRL and stuff on our show here.
The average person that lives their life day to day, they maybe consume an hour of news per week.
They're busy getting their kids to school.
They're busy worried about their own job.
They're busy worried about their parents and making sure that their kids are going to be able to get to college or have a future.
And even so far as the...
When you talk about, like, the deep state, whenever I'm talking about the deep state, I try to remember that the deep state is, the vast majority of them are people that think they're doing the right thing and are just looking out for their jobs because the deep state is just the entrenched bureaucracy.
They're the people that work at State Department, but they're not just the heads of the State Department.
They're the people three levels down, the GS-12s, GS-11s, you know, government employees that...
They're like, man, I got to make sure that I have enough money to pay my car payment this month and pay my bills and I have some money tucked away and they're worried about their future.
And when you talk about the deep state in that way, when you talk about them as just...
People that are looking out for their own family.
It makes the average person say, I relate to that and I understand.
And it makes the average person stop thinking that, oh, you're a crazy guy talking about deep state conspiracy guys.
But you're actually a normal dude talking about normal administrators because everyone has dealt with some kind of government person like that.
I really appreciate that because that is very important.
Our whole job here is to bridge the communication to...
People that are called Joe Sixpack and that type of garbage.
And no offense to anyone.
It's derogatory, unfortunately, but it's the common man.
And I don't want it to sound offensive to anyone sitting at the table, but the more that we talk about it in a way that the average person doesn't understand, the more distance we put between us and the people that we need to...
To empathize with what you guys have gone through and how it relates to their lives as well.
And they generally believe the same things that Netflix writers do, that college professors do, that people in Congress do, that the entire professional classes our country believes in.
As a whole.
unidentified
To illustrate your point, in D.C., which is where the bureaucracy is located, it was 96% Kamala Harris, 4% Donald Trump.
And to get into professional life, you're going to go through the cultural filter of college, right?
I got out of the Marine Corps.
I went on the GI Bill.
They paid me to go to college.
It was great.
But the whole time there, I knew this is not landing me a job.
This is not going to do anything concrete for me other than that paycheck I get for showing up.
And so I never picked up my college degree.
I've never looked at it.
It doesn't matter.
I've made my life separate from that because I will never be invited to real professional life in America or anywhere in the West.
Young people, and I think especially young men, are waking up to right now.
So understand the system, and that's what we're up against, is a very particular system.
And despite what you may have heard, we do live in a democracy.
The threat to this system is populism, which is why I wasn't worried in prison.
I knew he was going to win, and I didn't think it'd be particularly close.
I saw what was happening.
You don't quite have your finger in the beat of things, like maybe you do on the outside, but you put the pieces together, and...
This can change.
We are not on a set road.
I believe that you're not going to get back the country or the West that we had.
That's changed and maybe irrevocably gone, but that doesn't mean we have to walk into something that sucks forever.
I'm very hopeful for the future, and I don't mean just the next four years, which I think will likely be the next eight years of presidential victory for us.
I think we're going to win, because like when I was in prison...
Blacks, Hispanics, whites, everyone loved Trump.
When they saw him get shot in the ear and saw him jump up and act like a warrior, raise his fist as a reaction of a warrior, they were like, yeah, man, Trump's an OG, a legit OG. And one guy's like, no question.
And he's a felon.
They like that because, hey, now they know that he knows what it's like.
They liked him for the First Step Act already anyway, but now they respect him as a man.
That's where he won the working class vote right there.
The point is that the definition, if I don't say, hey, I need you to bring a tack hammer, then you're going to bring something else.
So we have to definition match.
What is the deep state?
So let's talk about that.
So our founding fathers defined tyranny as the consolidation of all three branches of government into a centralized power, like what they were dealing with with the crown, right?
The crown wrote the laws, adjudicated the laws, and enforced the laws.
So the Founding Fathers decided to break all these branches of government up and put checks and balances.
I could get into all that another time, but the point is...
If you corrupt the checks and balances of the system, you don't need to corrupt the whole system.
You just need to corrupt the things that keep tyranny at bay, right?
So if you have a single globalist...
Corrupting entity that is able to influence and control the checks and balances within our system, then they can essentially centralize the three-branch government system under their rule.
Now, that's essentially what happened after 1913. It's what happened with the Federal Reserve.
We also look at FDR and the bureaucracy and the creation of the fourth branch of government, right?
Which is essentially a consolidation of all three branches of government into a centralized power because the bureaucracy has...
It's own laws slash regulations that they write.
They also have their own regulation enforcement agents, executive branch.
They also have their own administrative courts that are outside the federal court system.
So they are writing laws, they are enforcing those laws, and they are adjudicating those laws in a system that's outside the federal system.
That's tyranny.
Okay, so we have the circumventing of the three-branch government system centralizing power that way.
They do that, and then they push through all the legislation necessary to create the fourth branch of government, the bureaucracy.
Then these two things work together to push a culture that enforces this illusion that we are free.
You see?
And then we move closer and closer toward tyranny.
More and more lawfare is done against people that are innocent.
And then we look at the larger picture on a global scale.
And what we see is that...
The UN, WEF, the IMF, the Bank of International Settlements, whatever.
All of these entities, BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, all of these international entities are the global deep state.
And then what they're doing is they're taking that apparatus and they're placing it in the federal government.
So now we have an international deep state, we have a national deep state.
And then from that national deep state, they start going into the states and start messing with things, and then they create little state-like deep states, like what we deal with in Arizona.
So then this is how the system is exponentially corrupted.
And it's all reinforced through the mockingbirds and the media pushing the psyop.
unidentified
Do you do parties?
Because I'm learning a lot from you.
It's really amazing.
The idea that there is essentially a monoculture that's looking to really control influence.
That's why I mentioned in D.C. it was...
You know, 96% Kamala Harris and 4% Donald Trump.
And one of the things that we've heard talked about and I would love to see happen is actually breaking up the bureaucracies and sending them to, like, different parts of the country.
So the Department of Agriculture would probably be better suited, instead of being in D.C., have the Department of Agriculture be in Iowa or be in Nebraska, right?
And if you take the—first of all— I've heard that when you move a business like that, 20% or so of the people decide they don't want to move, so they quit.
So that's a great way to downsize right off the bat.
And then on top of it, a big incentive for people to be in the bureaucracy is they want to go to the cool guy cocktail parties.
They want to be able to talk to people in other agencies.
They like the DC atmosphere.
They're making six figures.
They're making good money, and they've got...
You know, a side hustle or whatever where they're getting incentives and stuff and they can hang out with all the cool people there.
Don't get caught up in whether it's republic or a federalism or your individually chosen system.
It doesn't matter.
What matters is the people who make up that system.
Are they focused on things like honor?
Does that matter to the people that form your government and neighbors?
Because you know what matters more than laws?
unidentified
So how do you, when it comes to people that are in government, right, or in the bureaucracy, which we have less influence on who's going to be in the bureaucracy, but the American people still do have the ability to choose their elected representatives, at least to a very, very large degree.
And I think that anyone that would say, oh, no, they're all chosen, I would say, look at Donald Trump, right?
You know, I was, again, of the opinion that he wasn't going to make it, but clearly I was wrong.
So how do we...
How do we better vet the candidates?
Especially when everyone's allowed to vote and not everyone that votes is interested in finding out anything beyond what letter is after their name.
Before we go on to that, and I'll get to that real quick, I don't see how a blockchain is going to guarantee that the person that's running has integrity.
What the Founding Fathers did, and the reason why they created this system that they did, and this is what I was going to say earlier, is they looked at history and they saw monarchy led to tyranny.
Tyranny led to aristocracy.
Aristocracy led to oligarchy.
Oligarchy led to democracy, and democracy led to anarchy.
Anarchy led right back to monarchy.
Okay, so what they did is they're like, okay, well, some of these, you know, like monarchy has its place because it gets you out of anarchy, you know, but then aristocracy has its place because it gets you out of tyranny, right?
So they're like, okay, all of these forms of government have the ability to turn tyrannical.
Right?
What we got to do is we got to create like a cultural or political alloy where we take the best of all these forms of government and we put checks and balances against the parts that make them tyrannical.
Why is it, like I said, all the guys in my pod, a lot of black guys from D.C. You know, Hispanic and Puerto Rican and Mexican gangbangers, they all love Trump.
They all talk to their families at home.
The prices are going up.
They understand.
They don't like the transgender stuff.
They don't like the kids being conditioned.
They don't like tampons in boys' bathrooms.
They understand the culture war, and we're winning them over in the culture war.
I think it's a mistake to say, well, if they're poor or if they're from certain economic backgrounds or ethnic backgrounds, you should dismiss them.
So what we're seeing here is a manipulation of the American system of checks and balances, right?
We've already established that.
That's what the deep state is.
So what we have to understand is, first of all, we have a monarchy with the president.
We have the aristocracy with the Senate, which, by the way, our state legislatures used to send senators to D.C. It's not the way that it is now.
We need to change that back.
And then we have the democracy, which is the House of Representatives.
And then you have the judicial branch to keep all the checks and balances between all of these things.
That culture is one that is based on the individual rights.
So what has happened is that in this country where once the individual has been propped up and educated and kept healthy, now the individual has been subverted through this deep state system.
Everybody wants to know the truth.
What has happened with all these lies recently is it's created an appetite and a thirst for reality and truth.
So what we have to do is make sure a couple of things.
Number one, our populations are fully informed, fully well-armed, and fully well-fed.
We don't have that currently.
That is the solution.
And kind of like what Yuri Bezmenov was saying about taking 20 years to do demoralization, it's going to take about 10 to 15 years to remoralize our society.
I don't think...
I like your idea.
Don't get the wrong idea.
I'm just saying that I think that the real answer is education and access to real information, which when the Trump administration released the JFK files, the RFK files, the MLK files, they were giving people access to real information.
Here's why the vote changed in the inner cities for Trump, because they filled up schools like public schools and community centers with Guatemalan immigrants.
And the people, they'll realize.
That's why you saw black women on TV suddenly saying, I've never done anything but Democrat politics my whole life, but I vote with my wallet.
I vote to save my community.
Yes, that's completely true.
That's self-interest.
We have to understand this is part of democracy, and it's going to be a much stronger part of democracy than any education you're ever going to give anybody.
People in large groups will always vote to reflect their interests, and that's okay.
But this is the thing about PSYOP. Hold on, hold on.
unidentified
The fact of the matter is, at least as far as I can see, is people aren't actually interested.
If you look at the number of people that actually vote in off years versus the presidential elections, I don't know the numbers, but it's significantly lower.
And I feel like that is an indicator that people actually aren't interested.
And so when they go and they vote for president, they will do their team voting.
Imagine themselves as a Democrat.
They almost always will vote Democrat, and then they'll vote Democrat down ticket.
So I think that their suppression campaign failed.
People still got the information they needed.
And like we said before, because they pulled the mask off and became open totalitarians, they can see finally that, oh, they're actually right about that.
There's something there.
Why are they going after Trump so hard?
Why are they committing unprecedented lawfare against him?
- And they tried to put it back in the box, but it didn't work.
So I think there's a lot of, look at Mele in Argentina, right?
Look at what's her name in Italy.
There's a populist upsurge all around the world against the elite.
It's the elites versus the people.
And I think that, I have a lot of faith in the average person.
I think, yes, they've been dumbed down.
Yes, they've been manipulated.
But I think because of the free exchange of information we now have, I think we have a good chance now, if we don't abandon them, don't just say, okay, you're just too stupid to vote.
I'm going to try to figure out a way for you not to vote.
Instead of saying, hey, man, you've been duped your whole friggin' life, but come over here.
They respond, again, to what is best for them in a material sense.
What's wrong with that?
unidentified
I think that I do think that it's okay to say, like the idea of incentivizing people to not vote, right?
And what I mean by that is making sure that the people that do vote actually really want to vote, really have a belief in what they're voting for, likely will have knowledge, right?
And so you see a lot more activism on the left side than you do on the right.
So it's completely possible that people that...
They decide that they want to be active in the political process that you're talking about, the hypothetical that you're talking about.
They say, well, I will give up whatever incentive is given to not vote.
And the people that actually do that would be the people that are the activists, the people that are the green activists, the people that have that kind of incentive.
Yeah, I guess I've always been on the right because I didn't give a shit about politics most of my life.
Well, that's one of the reasons.
Excuse me.
That's one of the reasons why the right kind of has the political results that they do is because people on the right tend to work for their families.
They work for their local communities.
They're mostly in tune with the people that are close to them, whereas people on the left are very much politically motivated.
They have causes that they're interested in.
People on the right, they want the option to opt out of politics.
People on the left, they want the political process because they want to be involved.
Maybe the reason why nobody wants to be informed is because the American culture, as far as politics is concerned, is so toxic.
It's like, look, I think it was made toxic on purpose, to be honest with you.
Because look at it like this, okay?
Each side is believing a different misinformation narrative.
I know this from experience, because there's people on the right that were believing one thing about me that wasn't true, and there's people on the left that were believing another thing about me that wasn't true.
So the idea here is that there's no real objectivity.
There's no real objective reality.
There is just the PSYOP. And so what we have with these news networks is a bunch of different PSYOP... I
unidentified
don't know that I agree that...
People are so easily pushed into one camp or the other.
People have predispositions, different emotional states, and we're emotional creatures.
We were emotional creatures long before we were able to reason and actually think like, you know, primates or whatever you want to call it.
So, I think that a lot of people's political positions are based on their emotions, and then they rationalize afterwards.
And that's honestly, studies have shown that people do have free will, but only if you take a second to stop and think, and most people don't take that second to stop.
Your free will, when you hear a stimuli, and then you react, you don't have free will.
If you have a stimuli, take a moment to evaluate and process that stimuli, and then react.
If anyone goes and leaves, don't close the door all the way because it'll lock.
Okay.
So something I was talking about.
Oh, yeah.
So cults, like they teach you in their principles or their philosophies, if they call them that, in a rapid succession in order that you do not have that time to consider, to use your analytical mind to take in what you're hearing.
You just take it in, boom, boom, boom, because they're rapid fire.
I mean, that's one of the physical things they do when they train their...
The people into the cult.
I know this because I experienced it one time.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I was in a cult for a moment.
It was called Lifespring.
It was like one of these, you know, achieve your, you know, this or that and complete your relationships and all that crap.
But how you get that law passed is also something where it's like, I don't know.
Because it's one thing for a legislator.
A representative, a senator to talk about this.
Getting a majority of the House to go along is a long shot.
To get the Senate to go along is a long shot.
Even now, whereas generally, and this is something that we talk about on the show a lot, generally people kind of feel like there was a landslide because there was a shift overall to the right in the United States, right?
If it wasn't Reagan, then it might have been Nixon.
If it wasn't Reagan, then I think it might have been Bush Sr. I'm mixing up the largest percentage of black voters was 1960. And yes, the percentage of the minority vote that Donald Trump picked up was historic.
The fact that the Republicans got the House and the Senate was a big deal.
So there was a, even though the number of people that voted for Donald Trump doesn't...
For some people, it doesn't qualify as a landslide.
There was a very significant and clear shift to the right for the whole country.
And I don't think that's really – that's not something that we can – you can deny.
I think that's what – I took away from all of this is that the American experiment was this idea that we have an authority above the rights, above man, above the institutions of man, and that is God, right?
And so we have these God-given, unalienable rights that are, you know, given to us by God, not by government.
And that idea being in the hearts and the minds of the people, the principles behind the founding documents, there are enough people in this country that got it.
Okay?
And enough people in this country that pushed back against this mass formation psychosis that we were dealing with.
And then a little bit further down was things like gender ideology and stuff.
And I think the gender ideology mostly resonates with parents.
I think the parents think of their child either deciding that they want to actually mutilate their own body or they want to, they worry about their daughter.
Because women have been voting for the women's I was really kind of hoping to throw this out there, and I wrote it down just now because I didn't want to forget.
But we were talking about the deep state.
We're talking about the problem, the culture, all that stuff.
And I like talking about solutions, not just complaining about the problem.
So I think that we now have an opportunity to really start Solve this deep state problem more than we ever have in history because the culture has shifted.
The collective mind has shifted.
People see how obvious the corruption is.
So what we have to do, guys, in order to really, like, rang in the frickin' bureaucracy, we have to take back the Congress.
Okay, Trump's writing these executive orders and that's all great, that's all fine, well, and good.
It's a Band-Aid.
Okay, what was happening, what happened to this country and its destruction was done in the legislature.
Ladies and gentlemen, 1913, Federal Reserve.
So we have to get rid of the Fed.
That's number one.
Number two, we have to get a two-thirds majority in Congress.
Otherwise, we're not going to be able to pass these bills that are going to be trimming the bureaucracy, and we also have to start recalling federal judges.
The only way we can do that is if we have a two-thirds majority in the Congress.
We need to secure the federal elections so that this upcoming 2026 election, we can get the majority of America First people in the Congress.
And then we have to start – we also have to do a single-bill voting law, okay?
We have to get all these things narrowed down to a single bill so we can see where the corruption's at, who's voting for the special interests, who's voting for the American people.
I think a good shortcut, though, to help that happen would be what I call for in 2020, which is using the classification power.
To declassify all the dirty secrets of the elites in every single agency, FBI, CIA, NSA. The swamp water in D.C. they swim in is the secrets that both protects them and controls them.
They're blackmailed.
As long as they go along with the plan, they're okay.
Step out of line, they can be exposed and destroyed.
So if you do the mass declassification and data that WikiLeaks style expose all of that Then you know exactly who's been bought and paid for by a foreign government who's a pedophile etc You know all their dirty secrets that you can go clean house including the judges Yes, you are a hundred percent correct.
That's actually what I was advocating for too I think Cash Patel is on that too He's talking about doing the classification.
It says providing a carnival atmosphere, because I came through with my media team to make jokes about what was a funny situation, which is what we did, and that normalized violence with our snappy comments.
When that guy on Tucker Carlson said I was a stone-cold thug, everybody on the prison yard lost it, because I had developed a reputation for being a square.
me like there were some realized dudes in my prison but when I was the name people are googling me before I came in because you know apparently I'm the CEO of racism but and then when people unlike real life in prison they'll come up and ask you about your shit okay and I'll tell you like oh oh wait your wife is black they said you're a white supremacist like that that may not work in liberals they double down on that because psychologically that makes them look stupid so they can't be wrong so they just say I'm just white supremacist at home I'm I'm right.
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My wife doesn't understand, but she doesn't agree.
The DTSs, because they made me go into RDAP, when they asked me if I'd ever taken hallucinogens at the pre-sentencing investigation or whatever, I was like, yeah, I ate mushrooms.
I ate some peyote.
So they said, oh, you've got to go into RDAP. You're a drug addict.
Well, then we saw J.D. Vance on TV saying, well, those who were violent that day won't get pardons.
And it's like, well, how do you know they were violent?
It's because they're accused of being violent.
So I wrote a series of articles for Get Me Pundit advocating for all the guys.
I said he should pardon everybody.
It's about presumption of innocence.
In this country, you presume innocence to be proven guilty in front of a fair jury, an impartial jury, in front of a fair jury.
We didn't get any of that.
None of us did.
So everyone got a partial jury.
Therefore, you should all be presumed innocent.
That's why Trump should...
Pardon everybody?
Absolutely.
I didn't understand that it was going to be me with one of the guys who wouldn't get a pardon and got a commutation instead, which is kind of a weird feeling.
And back to what I was saying earlier.
Those who pled out because they were facing, like Donald Trump himself said, a guy facing 30 years in prison will take two years.
I have no problem with that.
It's the ones that testify against other people and bear false witness I have a real problem with.
That's what I was just clear about.
So we had guys that did that.
They rolled over.
Josh James and Todd Wilson for two of the Oath Keepers who pled guilty to seditious conspiracy the worst charge and then he signed a fake statement of facts and said that yes Stuart Rhodes plans is November to invade the Capitol and all that's a setup to say well then Trump ordered him to do that So they went along with that nonsense.
They got probation only.
I got 18 years.
The judge gave them probation only, no prison time, and they got pardoned.
So that's where I'm saying, okay, this is just not right.
Those of us who are commuted, I believe it will come eventually.
I think we'll all be pardoned also.
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So the fact that you got a commuted sentence means that you are still...
Can't vote in Texas, and as a veteran, I got a letter from the VA saying that all my veterans' benefits are now terminated, and I can't be buried in a veteran's cemetery when I die, which is a slap in the face to me as a service-connected veteran, a disabled veteran.
Do you remember what I said a little earlier about the conspiracy charge and all they need is two witnesses that agree to the government's story and then they can throw you in prison for 20 years?
Now I want everybody that's watching to know they can do this to you too if you don't stand up and we change things.
I mean, I feel like the American people generally know that if the government wants to wrap you up, I mean, everyone is aware of the whole three felonies a day.
Well, they're becoming more aware.
And on average, Americans commit three felonies a day without even realizing it.
Because there's so many laws on the books that people do things in their normal day-to-day life without even realizing it.
it and they're harmless things that shouldn't be felonies but because of the fact that there's so many embezzlement male fraud yeah you know I mean really you know you'd think show me the man I'll show you the crime that's why there's so many laws yeah yeah that's right there was a really the more corrupt the state the more numerous the laws Yeah, absolutely.
I think it was back in December, yeah, when he was saying, you know, those who were violent that day, well, how do you know?
He's a Yale Law graduate.
Does he understand this?
Innocence, how do you know they were violent?
Because they said so?
But aside from that, I believed he would keep his promise, at least let, I think he would let everyone out, as he said, a day of liberation.
So on that day, I knew it was coming.
So we listened to him on the radio.
We'd been locked down most of the day because someone got stabbed in our facility.
But we were listening on the radio to everything that was going on for his inauguration.
And he said, hey, I'm going to take action.
Not words, but action.
So I knew it was coming.
It was fantastic, though, to walk out of those gates.
It was awesome.
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How long were you in for, Jake?
I was not in.
I just spent a day in jail when I turned myself into the FBI. You just had your life ruined.
Oh, yes.
For four years was a nightmare.
It's amazing how many people went through what I went through and worse.
Much worse, obviously.
It's just unspeakable things they did to people.
The backlash that...
People who were, I guess, ignorant of the reality that they exacted on their fellow people, you know, to hold them down or put them down and point fingers at them and just vilify them tremendously.
So have you noticed since Donald Trump's election, and not to...
To single you out.
But these guys, I feel like they've got a goal in mind.
I believe that they're probably, to some level, involved in political activism.
But have you noticed in Hollywood, in L.A., do you feel like there's a shift in attitude?
Would you feel comfortable trying to get back into acting?
Have you had any other offers or anything like that?
What's life like for you in L.A. now that Donald Trump has been elected and there's been such a backlash against Gavin Newsom's policies and stuff?
Are you seeing that kind of attitude shift in L.A.? The Day of the Pardons.
You know, I didn't know for sure if that was really going to happen.
But on that day, I hadn't been watching TV because someone got stabbed in my house too.
And then we got to see the TV and it turned this whole thing into a real farce in a sense because the amount of effort and...
The negativity that has been born of this entire event so outweighs anybody who I've ever spoken to about what they went there for.
I mean, it's led to an education of the public about what our government can do and how they can hurt people and how they can try to get their way and force a narrative.
And it's pretty scary and it's eye-opening, but...
You know, I realized also that as elated as I was from the pardon, I realized that there's no clear way out of it.
There's certainly no on-off switch where people are now like, oh, hey, I'm back to being your friend again.
Or, yeah, come on in, audition for this screwball comedy or something.
That's not going to happen.
And although I have my hopes that I'll be able to work again, Absolutely nobody in my life or family or anybody that I know really has supported that.
Well, maybe one person.
Norm Holley is a guy from Chicago, is a dear friend of mine.
He actually...
I was pretty surprised.
He was like, oh yeah, you get going again and do this project, come up with something to do.
I'm like, who the hell are you talking about?
Nobody thinks that.
I think it is possible now more than I did before.
Your experience in LA, like I said, I can relate to it because even though I wasn't at January 6th because I was making light of it the day of on the internet and there were people that are Hollywood types that were...
Sending me accusatory tweets like, do you condone this?
Blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, bro, I'm in New Hampshire.
I wasn't at the party in the Capitol.
I was like, I'm making jokes and making light of it because I don't think that it's particularly serious.
Because again, my sense was there was never a question about whether or not...
You know, Joe Biden was going to be confirmed.
Yeah, I think that's a sentiment shared by a lot of people.
Yeah, and so, you know, like, I'm not there.
I think it's silly because, again, this is something that we all talked about, but, you know, as someone that wasn't there and as sort of an outsider, I had looked at it like, look, man, for the past year, there have been riots on the left burning entire cities down.
You know, you look at what happened in...
The town that Kyle Rittenhouse was in, I forget.
Kenosha.
Kenosha had tons of buildings burnt down.
Why Kenosha?
What was the...
I mean, it's not...
Because there was a person that was shot by the police that day.
And turns out he had a knife.
He was trying to abduct children that were in the back of the car.
You know, and the Democrats continue to talk about the police that were affected by January 6th because there were suicides and things that happened that were...
Completely and totally unrelated days and weeks after.
But they wanted to assign as much gravity to January 6th as possible.
And so, again, it is, like you said, it is about a culture war because they wanted to do whatever they can to disincentivize firearms ownership, especially...
Considering the guns that they most go after are long guns, rifles, the scary black guns, which are just semi-automatic rifles.
And those guns are almost never used in crimes.
They're not as convenient.
Criminals love convenience.
If you're dealing with a rifle, there's something around, on average, like 300. I'm very apprehensive about baking that comment when you look at what's going on in England right now.
You cannot buy kitchen knives unless you're an adult and you can't buy them over Amazon.
Prison proves that government controlling people's lives only makes things worse.
Because the thing is, government takes care of your healthcare, they take care of your lodging, they take care of your food, they take care of your clothes, everything while you're in prison.
So then by that rationale, everybody that comes out of prison should have a recidivism rate of zero because the government is supposed to make people good people.
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I mean, the argument that, you know...
Prison is intended to rehabilitate, I think, is...
It's a joke.
It's proven false pretty solidly.
Really, the point is to get the people in society that are violent and repeat offenders and that will continue to commit crimes, get them off the streets and out of the...
I know plenty of guys who are like ghost guns, ghost drugs, back to the conspiracy.
When they say ghost guns or ghost drugs, meaning that there was no actual evidence.
A lot of guys fell into possession.
Half the guys in Cumberland were fell in possession of a firearm and usually it was a snitch that said I saw that guy with a gun No, no requirement of an actual gun in his possession.
Bam.
He's in prison for five or seven years.
That's about filling bed space and It's the prison industrial complex making money off of you.
He protected two little kids against a home invader that wanted to take the kids with a shotgun in his hand The old man Kenny disarming with shotgun killed the guy with his own shotgun took the kids to his nephew's house But because after the fact the cops said oh the judge said oh He should have gone to the nearest business to dispose of the shotgun I'm 24 the way I think you should have done it Therefore fell in possession even though he was defending two children being murdered And so he's in prison for seven years for that it's terrible Of course he's innocent.
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All right, well, we've been going for a couple hours here, so we're going to wrap it up.
Why don't we go ahead and go around the room with some final thoughts?
January 6th was a deep state setup that was turned into a deep state psyop.
It was intended to destroy Donald Trump's reputation as well as push the notion of insurrection so that he could be taken off the ballot based on the 14th Amendment.
And also so his supporters could be villainized, demonized, and targeted.
If we look and we establish what the deep state is and how it operates, what we're seeing here, you guys, is a massive push to try to take over the world.
And we, the American people, stop that from happening.
The American experiment worked.
And we are...
Our republic is rising from the ashes like a phoenix, an American phoenix.
It's beautiful.
It's wonderful.
And this is the most exciting time we could have picked to be alive.
This is the golden age.
This is the American renaissance.
And I really look forward to seeing all these agencies get Twitter filed.
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I think America is sort of moving on from January 6th as chapter is closing, so thank you for letting us put our stuff out there before we become last week's news.
I really appreciate that.
And just to remember that contrast, that's what I want the people to do.
There's rioters that are part of the system who are tolerated and indulged, and then there's us.
And I understand my real sin was making congressmen cry, and they'll continue to punish me for that.
I'm good with it, but it does take a lot to put our lives back together.
Look me up on Twitter as at mixed underscore yolks, and you can find me on Telegram at the Oaks Report.
And if you do want to toss me a little something on the Gibson Go, which is a Christian website, and the only people that don't absolutely deplatform right-wing dissidents are, They're wonderful folks.
Please do that.
And I would also ask my co-defendant, who never snitched on me and is a great man, does not receive the publicity I did.
His name is Nick DiCarlo.
He also has a Give, Send, Go.
And help him out before you help me out, Franklin.
