The Culture War #64 Is Trad Wife Life Better, The Nature Of Women And Men w/Lauren Chen, Pearl Davis, Rachel Wilson, Isabella Moody
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Pearl Davis @JustPearlyThings
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Isabella Moody
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We're going to have a debate on the nature of men and women as well as trad life and trad wives and whatever that means, I suppose.
So this is obviously coming from these ongoing debates on YouTube and Twitter between different views of the role of women in society.
And we did have like a little conversation about this a couple weeks ago, but now we have a larger debate going on.
But we'll just start from the left and go to the right if you would like to introduce yourself.
unidentified
Hi, I'm Isabella Moody.
I tend to just post things online about political content, and then I also... I'm not really a trad wife, but I kind of talk about those sort of things.
I don't think you can actually be a trad wife in modern day, but yeah, excited to be here.
You go on Twitter and I see tons of people commenting on all the posts from you guys, and there's a bunch of guys that'll be like, this is what women do, ah, women are this, women are that.
And then you have, like, trad guys being like, women are beautiful, and they have children, and they deserve our respect.
unidentified
Then you have white knights, and they're like, women can never do anything wrong.
Sure, well I mean just to get started so I don't disagree with everything Pearl says but I feel like Pearl is someone who, I mean I want to hear your thoughts on this, I feel like you kind of enrage bait people with your posts because you'll post something really like a super hot take on on Twitter and then like you make a video about it and the video in turn is a lot more nuanced, a lot more I guess rational, so sometimes I feel like I'm trying to
I'm struggling to see like what your actual views are versus maybe what gets the most traction on X. So I'm excited for this to have a conversation about it, but I guess the role of women in society is, you know, to be mothers, to be wise, to support their families.
How exactly that looks is going to differ from people to people.
That's one of the reasons why I don't necessarily I associate with the trad movement.
I feel like trad refers to specifically almost the glamorization and in some ways fetishization of maybe like rural 1850s middle America, at least on like what I see on TikTok.
Whereas, you know, I'm just a mom who works part time from home and is basically trying to do whatever I can to help support my family.
Well, one of the things that, like, I spoke recently, actually, with Rachel's husband, Andrew, and one of the tweets that I mentioned that I thought was kind of strange coming from you was that basically you said evil comes from women.
You know, Andrew, in his interpretation, he made a very, like, very rational, very nuanced, actually, this is what she means, is it not true that there is a lower moral bar for women, blah, blah, blah, and it, like, Andrew Smart Guy made a lot of sense.
That's not what the tweet was, and kind of funnily enough, you tweeted out later to clarify, Lauren, that yes, evil does come from women.
So yeah, I would say most problems in society So that's interesting because I watched your conversation with Michael Knowles, which I thought was really interesting.
And in it, you were very adamant that people need to take responsibility for their own actions.
So when it relates to women, it's not really an excuse to say, oh, well, feminism brainwashed me.
Are you saying that a woman who sleeps, like, let's say a woman, you know, we'll start light, sleeps with a guy, gets pregnant, and then realizes this guy will leave her, doesn't want to be a dad.
The question I'm thinking of is, you're putting a lot on women as those who are responsible for single mothers.
And what I'm trying to understand is you're saying, because women can choose not to be a mother, you said something to this effect, and the guy can't, that means the woman has decided to have a child knowing the man will not be there.
Yeah I do and I've listened to you talk about child support and child custody and I agree with you that if a man is being kept from his child it is simultaneously unfair to say you have to pay for him but you're not allowed to visit him.
I don't think that's Right, I think you're getting the worst of both worlds there.
And I do agree that custody should be 50-50 off the bat, like that should be the presumption.
You shouldn't lose rights to your child just because you and the mother are divorced.
But I don't think You can essentially opt out of a life that you created, and when it comes to abortion, I don't think, similar with women, that you should be able to opt out of the life that you created.
Right, so right now what's happening is immorality when it comes to abortion, but I don't think the way to fix that is to also extend immorality to child support.
Like, this is a life you've created, you've both created, you both have responsibility to it.
We can sit here all day and talk about what we think ought be or not ought be, but the problem is that you're not going to fix any of this without patriarchy.
When we threw patriarchy out the window, we sexually liberated women, what we did was throw off a balance of power that was already there.
Women historically have been, you know, the gatekeepers of sex.
Every one of us sitting at this table has twice as many female ancestors as we do male ancestors.
So genetically women had this great advantage.
Then we have our youth, our fertile years, where we have tremendous sway, tremendous influence and power.
And I think that's temporary on purpose.
What happens when you give women equal political power and equal social power to men and you remove the father as the head of the household, which all patriarchy means is rule by the father, when you throw that out, this is the mess you end up with that's impossible to fix because What are we going to do about all of this out-of-wedlock births?
And my point is we have all this freedom, so take the responsibility that comes with it.
So if right now we have the freedom to get an abortion, doesn't matter what we want, doesn't matter what should be, I don't agree with abortion either, but right now it's legal.
So if that's what we're doing, then take the responsibility of raising the kid.
Right, right, because I guess just blanketly patriarchy, I think that the father's role at the head of the household, it comes from God, and it's valid insofar as he is acting on behalf of God, trying to lead his family.
in a godly way because you know obviously people are gonna say like what about this abusive husband blah blah blah it's like all right well if he is not you know conducting himself in a manner that aligns with the way christ treats his his bride the church then that's actually not biblical patriarchy i'm gonna shockingly disagree with this take go for it which might surprise a lot of people because everybody knows i'm an orthodox christian i'm pretty serious about that but uh you guys might not know there was a huge amount of membership in anti-suffrage groups
Anti-suffragists were far more popular than suffragists.
Women did not want suffrage.
Very few people know that less than 4%, according to all of the referendums that they did at the time, women did not want it.
And if you take a look at the arguments that women made for why they didn't want suffrage, why they didn't want women's liberation, they said, you're charging us with something we cannot do.
So we cannot rule society.
We cannot defend To defend persons and property, which is supposed to be the primary role of government.
To defend persons and property.
If women can't do that, why give us political power?
Why give us voting rights?
Then we might have to get drafted.
We might have to show up for jury duty.
Things like that.
So I think to say, well, we'll let the men rule as long as they're doing it in a way that we feel is Christian or things like that is kind of beside the point.
Because women only have an illusion of authority right now.
Basically, like if it comes down to it.
So men have the monopoly on force.
There's no way around that.
Even if you talk about, oh, well, there's women senators or there's women presidents or there's females in the military now.
At the end of the day, the people who enforce any illusion of rights, women's rights or otherwise, are going to be men.
Period.
End of story.
Nothing you can do about that.
So to say, oh, women have equal rights.
They have equal rights that they have to appeal to men to enforce on their behalf.
So is that actually equal?
So I'm just saying, like, to have this idea that, well, we'll let the men be in charge.
The men are in charge.
Right now, what's been happening is they've allowed women's liberation.
I mean, I feel like politically, women certainly have a lot of power.
There are a lot of guys online who refer to our current Western society as gynocentrism.
But I think I see what you're saying in that because men typically are the aggressive force, if they decided to, they could stop it and women couldn't.
So I guess I'm imagining a scenario where if a bunch of, say, like, Republicans came out and said, no more 19th Amendment, you would have a bunch of women saying, how dare you?
We won't allow this.
But I suppose the argument then is the only reason that move from a Republican would be blocked is that Democrat men would block them.
It was actually like Gilded Age industrialist progressives, the same guys who met at the Jekyll Island Club in 1910 to draft the Federal Reserve Act, the same guys who wanted the income tax, had a vested interest in getting women out of the home and into the workforce and making them politically active.
The first interest is, if you're going to do an income tax, you can only tax the men's wages.
Well, imagine if you can double that by getting all the women into the workforce and taxing their wages, so that's one.
Two is, a lot of these guys wanted this blend of socialism and capitalism that we have right now, this kind of hybrid system.
And there was a lot of anti-suffrage groups that had posters, pamphlets, encyclicals, they even did debates against suffragists where they said a vote for women is a vote for socialism because the Bolsheviks in Russia were saying we're never going to have full communism, we're never going to have true socialism unless we get women involved.
Give them the vote.
Make them workers.
Make them see themselves as labor units rather than mothers.
So this was kind of the plan.
So that's kind of how we ended up with the system we have now.
So they wanted dual income tax.
They wanted women in the workforce.
What's the other big benefit of that?
Where do the kids go all day?
If mom and dad are both at work, they have to go somewhere.
Oh, we magically get the compulsory education system right along this same time frame.
So the kids are being indoctrinated with whatever values the government and the Department of Education want to bestow on them.
The other big obvious one is cheap wages.
If you were J.P.
Morgan or a Cornelius Vanderbilt or a Rockefeller or a Ford and you had these huge factories and you need lots of cheap labor, you can only import so many immigrants.
Better idea, take the women who are going to work for a lower wage, put them in the factories, which is exactly what we saw happen.
Yeah, I suppose with industrialization, you immediately... Let me pause, go back before industrialization.
Conscription became... Okay, I gotta slow down.
Obviously, conscription's been around forever.
Guys were forced to fight.
But it became substantially more viable to have a conscripted class when, like, breech loaders, muskets, and more easily loadable weapons became prominent.
It used to be back in the ancient days, you had a warrior class.
Men who were born from the day they were born, everyday trained to be fighters.
And they said, these guys are gonna be the fighters who defend this nation.
And they had spears, but then all of a sudden, they were like, this is a gun.
You point it, you pull the trigger, it works.
All of a sudden, they were like, we could take literally anybody, hand them this, and they can fight on equal.
So all of a sudden, I was reading about the fall of samurai in Japan.
And this warrior class had tremendous political power.
That was lost the moment rifles were introduced to the country.
All of a sudden, they're just like, we don't need you anymore.
Your political power is gone.
So, I forgot exactly where I was going with that, but...
Probably that it's the industrial revolution is what allowed feminism.
If you ever wondered how come women's liberation didn't happen for two, four, 6,000 years before this, it's because technology is the thing that makes it possible for women to feel they're equal with men.
Look at this studio.
Were any of these lights, this Wi-Fi, these computers, any of this designed by women?
Do the women upkeep it?
Do the women build it?
No, the men build this technological world that makes us think, oh, I can be a creator.
And my counter, because I was talking about this, I have a second, we'll get to in a second.
All of these women who, these feminists are online saying, you know, we're great inventors.
Actually, I was just screwing with chat GPT because it's super woke and I'm trying to get it to admit reality.
And it was like, men and women are completely equal and have contributed equally to society.
And I'm like, I agree that's true, but tell me why.
And it starts going on about great inventors, and I'm like, no, no, spare me this.
It is strange to me that There are so many feminists that want to talk about the masculine things women have done, instead of literally just being like, how about every great world leader was made by a woman?
How about the fact that women are the ones who create the people?
In concert with men, yes, but women... If a guy's like, I invented the light bulb, it's like, congratulations, you were created by a woman.
Like, can we give women credit for being the creators of life?
She posted this image of this taekwondo black belt woman doing this absolutely amazing bo staff routine.
She's spinning this aluminum staff.
It looks absolutely incredible.
Wow, real talent there.
I sincerely mean that.
Look at that.
She said, if you run into her in the forest, I pity the man and the bear.
- God, this woman is so delusional. - She then responded, she then responded the number of unfit, unskilled men claiming they can quote, "take her "merely based on the fact that they are men.
"Yes, men are on average stronger, "but take an unfit man in a somewhat similar weight class "and she's winning." - No, no. - So the first thing I wanna say is the caveat of an unfit man in the same weight class after saying, "I pity the man and the bear." So the, this woman, uh, tremendous talent.
I mean, no disrespect, but she's five foot one, 100 pounds.
She has her, her, her stats are available for her, like fight record and everything.
There's a reason why a man who is six foot three, raw muscle, ripped the bone with four black belts will not beat a grizzly bear in a fight.
Technique's not going to save you from a grizzly bear.
Because physical mass matters in the conflict.
Yes, with proper grappling technique, it's known that women could force a man into a submission, but a 5-foot-tall, 100-pound woman will be lifted up with one arm by probably your average guy.
How is the average woman who is what, like 5'4" or 5'3"? - Well, I think there's like Hollywood movies have contributed to this greatly because they've actually convinced women that, oh, with just training, I could totally kick someone's butt.
And we're lucky enough that in Western society, women are so removed from actual physical conflict, including and especially with men, that we start to believe that's true.
Like, thank goodness all of these women are so delusional because that means that they've actually never had to fight a man or been attacked by a man because if that were, heaven forbid, ever to happen, they would learn really quick that, yeah, you're not as strong as them.
And I think when you grow up doing boy things with boys, you understand and respect that you're not a Well, in playing sports, because I played basketball for 16 years, so if I go do pickup, I gauge with guys, because I'll play with them sometimes, but I gauge.
I know if he played like one year of high school, I'm getting beat, even though I played in college.
Well, and just because some women can do some things doesn't mean that all women ought to do those things.
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It's the exception, right?
And then it just proves that women need men.
And back to this post, like all the men commenting.
It's like, okay, well who's really to blame for feminism if men, these simps, like allowed women to have this power?
And how do we actually combat feminism today?
Because like you said, women are controlling the emotions and they're the ones driving this hysteria and making the men vote this way and enforce these things.
So really, it's up to the men.
And I saw your husband talk about how men need to create like Men's rights advocacy groups in Washington.
The first men's rights advocacy group was in the early 1900s.
The reason that it's so ineffective is because women are the biggest swing voters.
And so like that's why I would say women are more responsible for feminism because most men do not have political power other than one vote.
And even if they do vote, women will always outvote men because there's more women than men.
unidentified
I do think though that part of the reason that women, okay sorry, I would say that men should be They need to have higher standards when it comes to women.
I do think that if women like the reason why so many girls are on OnlyFans or are whores are because men still sleep with them.
They're paying the OnlyFans subscriptions.
I know it's easy.
Like this is not what's happening.
This is what they ought to do.
But if we ever want to change the culture, we have to start Somewhere, and I do think that if more men's advocacy groups arised, and more men were like, I'm not gonna give women and feminists the time of day, if they're pro-voting, if they're feminists, like, make it so so unfavorable, bring back shaming to such a high degree, as rabid as the feminists were, where they took over everything.
And because, like you said earlier, when women get power, they're terrible.
They don't know what to do because they have higher rates of mental illness.
They're just way more abusive.
They are power hungry.
So, because those men allowed them to have the power, and now women have the power, and look how terrible society is with the sexual revolution, and now it is because of women today and them having power.
And it sucks because we can't go back in time, but what can we do now?
And if you go back to the stark patriarchy, there's war, the bloodiest war, civil war, World War II, there's bad things that existed under patriarchy as well.
And so if you look at society today and you say, you know, degeneracy and these things that came from the sexual revolution, These are bad things, but does it mean that it, like, was there ever a utopian society?
I mean, how do we weigh the problems today against the problems of yesterday?
I think the problems of the past were more due to, like, lack of certain technology we have that improves things.
So we often conflate the effects of, like, the industrial and technological revolutions With the social revolutions, which feminism is by far the biggest and most significant social revolution of all time, it was not an organic grassroots movement.
It was totally astroturfed.
It was completely engineered.
It was societal engineering.
But I think this is my hot take is that we're not going to We're not going to culturally go back.
There's no going back.
But what is going to happen is this is completely unsustainable.
This situation?
Totally unsustainable.
And here's why.
Birth rates in South Korea right now are 0.78.
In the United States, in the entire Western world, in fact in the whole world except a handful of countries, it's well below replacement.
I agree with everything you just said, except for there's no going back.
I think what you described is going back.
So when you look at the birth rates, yes, in the United States it's below replacement, but look at the conservative birth rate.
It's not above replacement, it's not.
But it's higher.
Which means that there's this dip happening predominantly among liberal groups and feminist groups.
And it's much lighter against conservative groups, which means, over a long enough timescale, conservatives rebound, liberals... That's exactly what's gonna happen.
It's your spouse. - There is a genetic component to political beliefs People are uncovering more and more.
But if you homeschool your kids, and you definitely don't send them to public school, there is a good chance that, yes, your child will be conservative, and if they get married, then that's... Pearl, you are correct, and I think you're going to agree with me.
You said that you don't think it's going to go back because you can't guarantee your kid is conservative, but after 25, the husband is the biggest predictor.
I mean, I mean, of liberal women, do you think all of them inherently do believe this?
I believe that when you look at the data from Instagram and TikTok, where women are, like young girls develop Tourette's from watching videos of Tourette's, they're very socially influenced.
When you look at men skewing conservative, and it's happening now, Gen Z, predominantly among men, very much moving towards Trump.
It's this weird phenomenon we've not seen.
Gen Z is considered to be the most conservative generation in a hundred years, not because they're conservative, they're not.
But because it's the first time we've tracked slight conservative ticks.
So typically, of the past four or five generations, the next generation is always slightly more progressive.
Gen Z is the first time we've seen it sort of balance out, and then move a little bit to the right in one area, so they're very similar to millennials, but whoa, it wasn't a dramatic shift.
Men are going to be 35, and they're going to meet a 35-year-old woman on a dating app, and the woman's gonna be sitting there going, I'm a progressive, and he's gonna say, ma'am, I have all the time in the world, have a nice day, I won't have kids with someone who's gonna divorce me.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say earlier is this is a self-correcting problem, meaning we're not going to have to go in and like rebuild the patriarchy.
This is the patriarchy going, wait a minute, this was really bad.
This was a bad deal.
The sexual revolution was a really bad deal for men.
Men are figuring this out now and exactly what you said is true.
Men can wait.
They don't have to start a family before 30.
And by the way, women aren't having children until they're 30, 31 years old now, which is why the birth rate is so low.
It's not because people are having no kids, it's because we're telling all the women to spend their fertile years in college going into debt and building a career, and then we think they're going to flip a switch at 30 and just start popping out babies.
They have one, maybe two.
Because it doesn't make sense to have all that debt and invest your whole 20s in your career and then suddenly stay home with your kids.
That's true, but I don't believe it will outweigh.
I don't think the numbers can ever reach that point, especially single parenthood will not be nearly as successful as you pointed out with crime and homelessness.
These men that are becoming more conservative are going to make demands.
And everything you pointed out about divorce, it's a really great point.
A guy says, No fault divorce, you could just take everything away, and what's the point of getting married?
So that means you're gonna get more and more guys who are shifting conservative going on dates when they're 30, and they're gonna say, you're really sweet, I really enjoy your time, but I will not date a woman who believes in no fault divorce and abortion.
And this means that those women will have to go towards IVF, or they won't have kids.
If they don't have kids, then their line will cease.
Law, morals, none of it matters in the mathematic argument.
If it is true that even if like there's still going to be high rates of divorce, the fact that men are becoming more conservative This is going to apply a pressure that over a long period of time, there will be attrition away from divorce and abortion and all of these things.
They'll still exist, they'll still exist for a while, but over a long enough period of time, if the math is trending this direction, even if it's 0.1%, this is why casinos make money.
Most of these games are 49, you know, if the casino has a 50.5% chance to win to your 49.5, they don't care if they lose $1,000, because over the long enough period of time, they make money no matter what.
Like you said, in our lifetime, it's not going to be corrected that quickly.
But this, I think, will accelerate because men are realizing they don't have to play these games and they don't have to participate in the system.
And I think one of the biggest problems that we have, and Lauren talked with my husband about this, is the fact that Throughout all of human history, marriage used to be a contract between two families.
It had sacramental and religious and spiritual significance.
It's a contract through the state.
It's a license you get at your county.
That's a hundred years old.
This is a very new idea.
It failed miserably.
We shouldn't be surprised that everyone's getting divorced, because who cares about your silly contract?
It's like a roommate agreement.
It's easier to get out of than a cell phone contract.
So I think another thing you're going to see, another trend we're going to see, because men are going back to religion as well at a higher rate than women, like serious traditional churches are seeing a huge influx.
Like the Orthodox Church, I think 80% of our new converts are like young men.
That's great.
Women are going to like Wicca and astrology and all this garbage nonsense.
But men are going back to like the traditional churches.
And I think what they're going to do is they're going to say, I will marry you through my church.
We will have an ecclesiastical marriage where our church and our community kind of govern the terms and enforce the contract rather than just going through the stake.
That's why it's like in Boston, for instance, it's illegal to put a pie on your window sill on Sunday, but everybody does.
There are a bunch of blue laws that exist on the books but are never enforced.
It's because people fear more social than they do legal.
For instance, why are criminals still going around raping and murdering and shooting despite the death penalty?
They don't care.
But why is it that cancel culture dramatically shifted major parts of our market for the past 10 years only up until now?
Why did Target abandon, in many of their locations, the pride section?
Cultural enforcement is stronger.
When you have people who grow up in a rural community going to church, and there's a man and a woman, and they think to themselves, if we get divorced, it is gonna cause major cultural problems for us at church, at community, in our bake sales, in the fire department, we can't live with that, we have to deal with it, the pressure is on them.
If you're in a big city, perhaps yes, but cultural enforcement dictates how people behave.
They could pass a law, And as long as no one, no, like, there was a, there was, there were cops in Seattle.
Antifa was threatening a guy.
The guy's backing up, and he's like pointing at him as he backs away.
Cops jump out of their car, arrest the victim.
Why?
Because the social order in Seattle and Portland is, we do not take action against the far-left mobs.
So the cops' mentality is, if I go after the protesters, I'm gonna get into a fight, people are gonna get mad at me, and then I'll be on the news as attacking peaceful protesters, just arrest the victim and it all stops.
For abolishing no-fault divorce, though, I think it is gaining traction.
I'm hearing about it more and more, and it's partly due to people like you, but I think there are more and more conservatives who weren't really thinking about this.
It's not like they supported it, but that it just wasn't on their radar, and I think it's starting to become part of the conversation where, hey, maybe we should talk about this in a way that 10 years ago it wasn't even being mentioned.
So I'm actually somewhat hopeful that maybe in the future we could do something about that.
I think that is a meaningful change that we could make, that Again, I'm not advocating for state marriage, but for those people who do care about government marriage but are concerned about that, I think that actually is something we could change.
I mean, I have problems with the way that... You had something where you alluded in your video on him that he was abusive after you played the clip of him talking to his wife.
So, you know, my question is, if you're going to report on that, why did you not report on the video of her saying he wasn't?
And I think with Steven, if it were just his divorce, I wouldn't have talked about it, but he's someone who's in this industry who has a pattern of basically blowing up personal relationships.
And I think a lot of people— Right, but that doesn't make him an abuser, right?
Well, I think my video specifically was about the nanny footage, which I do, I mean, to tell your spouse that you do not love them, I do think that's, I mean, emotionally abusive.
No, because, well, I wouldn't say that's emotionally abusive.
Because he says, you do not show me love, and what he was referring to in the video, if you really listen, pay attention, and there was a clip cut out, was that she was not showing him love because she didn't listen to him.
And it's like, tradwives, tradwives, why wasn't the question, why didn't you walk the dog like you were told?
Let's bring up the Lauren Southern story because I think this was actually a big component of Lauren's story.
This article was written, I think it was unheard, it was written by a woman who got divorced and in the story I think one of the issues was Lauren realizing that just being this obedient good wife to this man wasn't working, he kept threatening to divorce her and it seemed like nothing was working.
I don't know, but the point is, even if that is a red flag, you have a responsibility as a woman to choose someone, to choose a strong leader for yourself.
So if you're going into this four months and you're already seeing red flags, it's not trad to say, I will marry him anyway.
Like I've not seen Christian dating accounts say, ignore all the red flags.
Like I spent 20 years in my house, in my kitchen, chain to the stove.
No, I'm just kidding.
Doing all of that before I started making commentary on this sort of thing.
And yes, I'm sorry, but if you have a whole career outside of your marriage, that complicates things.
Women don't want to talk about that, about how difficult it is when you are over here trying to hustle for your career and, you know, you have goals that are not related to your family and antithetical to your family, how that is going to interrupt your family life and your marriage.
I want to trigger as many feminists as possible so I'm going to get into this point.
So there was a bunch of data that was released by dating websites on the societal value of men and women and I think it was OkCupid something like 20 years ago or 15 years ago showing that societal value tracked among the willingness of people to interact with each other.
Women start They're protected, they're offered opportunities, they have easier time getting entry-level jobs, and men start at zero.
Young men are considered unskilled, non-valuable, break rocks kid, earn your place.
And then around the mid-twenties, a shift starts happening where women start to experience a decline in social value while men experience an incline.
Men are becoming more skilled and more valuable as they become stronger and more capable, and not even all men, only a small percentage of them, whereas as women age, society values them less and less for the obvious reason of the intrinsic value society had was the ability to have kids.
This results in If your whole life everyone around you is saying you are the best and then one day you start hearing everyone say you're not so great and men are better, you start to feel like something's being taken away from you.
And so one of the hypotheses I have is that For the average guy who grows up in the gutter is more likely to be homeless, more likely to be a victim of crime, less likely to get entry-level jobs, much, much harder at a younger age to get a job than women in their teenage years.
These guys are like, man, it's rough.
Now they're 26 and they're like, life is finally getting good.
They're tolerant of the crap.
They're used to things being cruddy.
And so now they're kind of comfortable.
They start hearing women say, man, it's not fair.
I'm having these things taken away from me.
And the guy thinks, this is the least concerning thing I have ever had to deal with in my life.
But that then confers to men saying, sure, fine, whatever, I don't care.
I don't care if you're gonna do X, Y, or Z, or the law says this.
Well, I think a lot of women in their 20s and especially into their 30s, they experience this and there are so many TikTok videos of women in their 30s in their car crying about how they're no longer desirable because a lot of Women's worth is, you know, the dating marketplace, the sexual marketplace.
So when these women aren't married and they don't have kids, they are faced with the reality that, yes, they do have less societal value.
And it's terrifying for them because it's only going to get worse.
But that is why, as a woman, motherhood is amazing.
Like, I'm going to be turning 30 and I have a lot of friends who are single, 30, like unmarried.
They're freaking out.
Their prospects look very different from mine, like, you know, I'm married, I have a family, like, I'm actually of the opinion, like, now my life is really just beginning, like, now I'm going on the up and up, we can have more kids.
It's a beautiful thing, like, I, I, my life is almost just beginning, where it's like, if you are the single girl boss, Your life is kind of ending at that point and it's just, it's so disappointing to see that they don't realize that it didn't have to be this way for them.
Well, so think about what this means for entering the marketplace.
You want to be the girl boss, you want to be the CEO.
If you look at grip strength, which is not indicative, doesn't necessarily correlate specifically with capability to run a company.
Look at the guys in the high end, which are triple, triple the median grip strength, the highest end of guys.
There's 500, Fortune 500s.
There are 330 million Americans.
Let's say there's 150, let's say there's 80 million adult males.
let's say there's 150 let's say there's 80 million adult males only 500 will be top ceos with that means the girl boss who is in her late 20s entering her 30s and thinks i want to be the ceo not the mom has to compete with the highest end of the male capability spectrum which tends to be due to grail a greater male variability hypothesis
there's going to be 10 000 male geniuses of insane strength fighting each other and there's going to be 100 females that That means the likelihood of you seeing a Fortune 500 CEO female is going to be very, very low unless we pass DEI laws.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no You said women make worse life choices.
I'd say a man who married a woman who divorced him and took his stuff made a poor life choice.
Right, so men, so the point is, If your argument is the system is weighted against you, you can get divorced, then the logical thing a smart man could do is not get married and have kids.
Yeah, if they wanted a contract that favored them.
But I want to go back to the homeless.
And the problem you get with a lot of this stuff is that there's not a lot of studies put into men's issues.
So a lot of times what you see with the data is you're not getting the full picture because most studies that are funded, it's for women and the government is run by feminists.
So there's a guy, He's out of Michigan.
His name is Terrence Popp.
Really, really smart guy.
And he actually followed 1,800 divorces in Michigan.
And what he did was he found the reason for the divorces, and he actually followed a lot of those men to homeless shelters.
And he found that if he goes to homeless shelters, 70% of the men owe child support.
A lot of men become homeless because of the system.
I'm not saying they're not culpable, but what I'm saying is that he shouldn't have to be enslaved for 18 years to a woman because he made a poor life choice.
And there's no female equivalent of that.
I mean... No, because the woman can always put the guy on child support for the most part.
Having to raise a child that perhaps you did not want in single motherhood, some women would say that that would be... But she still has the choice to abort.
But I think if you're going to give women the freedom, like as long as we have the freedom, give them the responsibility that comes with it, or you can opt out.
Right, but that's why you also have to get rid of the 19th Amendment, because, I don't know if you guys saw this, but sheets, they're, yeah, Tim, we're getting into this.
So Sheetz, it's this kind of gas station company, they're actually being taken to court by a federal agency for discriminating against black applicants.
Why, you might say?
Well, it turns out part of their screening process is they do a background check on applicants and they don't want people who have a criminal background.
Sounds reasonable enough.
But what the government found was that black applicants were actually being ruled out of the running for jobs at a higher rate than white or Hispanic applicants.
So basically, the federal agents are actually acknowledging that perhaps this discrimination was not purposeful, right?
They weren't trying to discriminate against black people, but still, because the outcome was inequitable toward black people, they were still running afoul of the Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination based on immutable characteristics.
So I am in favor of service through citizenship, but the reason why the 19th Amendment is a problem with that is that if it were to be the case that there were some sort of metric for service for voting, and it happened that women were disproportionately not represented, I could see they would absolutely make the case that that requirement was running afoul of the 19th Amendment because the outcomes were unequal.
That women shouldn't vote because we don't do equal work.
So I think if we're not running the infrastructure, if we're not in the military like men are, and we're not paying taxes like men are, I don't think that we should vote.
Net taxpayer, real quick, just so everyone understands, something like only 43% of people pay taxes because the rest are on, they don't reach that threshold.
But of that 43, many are receiving more in government benefits than they actually pay.
Well, it's well, I get I'm for like, service guaranteeing citizenship.
And I don't just like I don't think being a woman should give you the right to vote.
I think the same thing applies to race.
And if we were to, you know, do something like net net taxpayer, sorry, property owner, etc, or even like married households, black people would be disproportionately underrepresented like women would be.
So if the 15th Amendment is on the books, I think I figured out the problem.
I think, I think the 28th amendment, the right to vote shall be, or voting shall be granted only to those who have two children or more and are actively in the lives of those children.
I don't know how you make that legal, but the general idea is you gotta have two kids, and you gotta be actively parenting them, or they must be adults, and then you're allowed to vote.
But I'm saying like big companies like that, I think it would be fair that they I think all of these things together make sense.
The idea that someone can show up and, you know, when, I think it was 2020, Andrew Yang said he was going to move to Georgia, end of 2020, he's going to move to Georgia to help, who was it, Warnock or whatever, I can't remember the guy's name, in Georgia win.
It's like, you don't live there, and you're going to go to their state and vote on how they should be represented is insane.
And that's because in this country, Voting is no longer about winning an argument and deciding on how your study should be run.
It's about collecting pieces of paper with names on them.
I have a little bit of a different take on women voting, even service and these other things.
Even my husband will say, maybe if they're willing to do years of service or something.
I would still say no based on the argument that the anti-suffragettes made, which was that if you as a woman cannot protect persons or property, If you're not going to be defending the homeland, if you're not going to be defending your home, why should you be voting?
And the reason is, this kind of lends itself to the bigger conversation of, why do we have this idea that women were historically oppressed?
Were they actually oppressed?
If you go back and read their writings at the time, in the 17th, 18th, 19th century, they said, no, we're privileged.
And then you'll hear a feminist say something like, well, but they couldn't have bank accounts.
But they never tell you why.
They never tell you why women didn't have bank accounts or credit cards.
And it's because legally, women cannot be held responsible for supporting the family.
And what would be the point of a woman owning a bunch of land If she can't make the land produce anything, she can't defend the land against people who might come and try to take it.
There were practical reasons for these things.
It wasn't just the evil patriarchy trying to keep women down.
And I think those things still apply.
Even with modern warfare, you have drone technology, you have, we just talked about guns and how even with guns, men are much better with them than women are.
They're just loading, reloading.
Anytime you're in a combat situation, men are going to be better.
You know, this is a thing where we brought it up when I was talking to Andrew, Rachel's husband.
You can find him at The Crucible.
I believe it's his channel.
So basically, I am of the belief that if you are a new convert, you should not be in any type of leadership position at a church, especially as a woman, like pastor.
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A woman should never have any leadership role in a church.
And if you talk... They're leaving the local churches and they're going back to the really traditional, like the Roman Catholic Latin Mass, the Eastern Orthodox, the really traditional, like Lutherans or Baptists are seeing.
And I agree with you, but I would say if people begin to believe that the better grift is not in being a hooker, but being a Christian, that's winning the culture war.
I'm just saying, at the very least, her attempt at this grift, if it is a grift, shows that she believed the right side of history and the profitable side of history is virtue, not degeneracy.
It doesn't mean she's not a degenerate.
It just means she's being like, ooh, there's more money over here.
We have this idea that women are born angelic and innocent until some bad man somewhere does something to her to make her become a bad lady and then she can reform and we all clap and it's great.
There's no grace for men like that.
Like, when men change their ways, they used to be degenerate in some way, then they come to Christianity.
There's not as much applause.
They don't usually do a podcasting tour.
They don't usually come out with merch, you know, and all this other stuff.
Because we're seeing this as a trend, right?
These ex-strippers, ex-OnlyFans girls coming to Christ.
But my problem with it is it always comes with, donate to my ministry.
Mary of Egypt was one of our most famous and most venerated saints because she was probably the depths of degeneracy for a woman.
She was like a prostitute.
She was a nympho.
And when she converted, she did not start a podcasting tour or a ministry or something where you had to give her money.
It was nothing like that.
She went into the desert alone for decades and just prayed and became very virtuous.
Privately.
And generally what our church traditionally has prescribed for women who come from that level of degeneracy is something more like a monastic path or something where, you know, they have to take a lot of time because it's not something you just flip a switch and now I'm good.
Well, I think, I don't think it's that Christian women don't want virgin men.
Christian women want men who are highly sought after by other women.
So what you would want is like the Chad, like, Deus Vult, uh, kind of Knights Templar, Christian guy with the big jaw, who is literally, like, he has all these women and he's just, like, stoically trying to push them away.
But he manages to, like, succumb to your temptations.
I think that worked when we all got married at 18 or 20.
Yeah, that is literally like the fantasy.
If you're telling all the women that you must, and this is what happened to me, right?
I was a smart kid.
I was always in like advanced classes and it was like, I'm going to college.
I was told from kindergarten, you're going to college.
You're going to have a career.
And when I decided I didn't want to do that, and I had my first child at 20, everyone around me, even my Christian conservative women around me who should have been supportive, were like, oh no, what a tragedy.
Rachel will never be anything.
Her life is over.
She's a loser now.
She's never going to do anything with all of her gifts because she's just a mom.
And this is the overwhelming propaganda that we've had for like 60 years now, telling women, young girls, if you want to be a good girl and be successful, Focus on school, go to college, even if that means the average woman graduates with $40,000 in debt, and then spend your 20s building your career so that, because why?
Why?
Because you're vulnerable if you don't have your own money.
If you depend on your husband for income, that makes you vulnerable to abuse and you should be scared.
We also have to look at what women choose and want to do.
We have the freedom to do anything that we want.
That's true.
Unfortunately, women are picking to be whores.
Under 35, you know, and people will dispute what exactly the number is, but anecdotally, I would say roughly a quarter of women have done some sort of sex work, whether it's escorting.
That seems high.
There's more OnlyFans models than teachers right now.
They tried to community notes me on this, but I have it.
Dr. David Baker, you can look it up.
What you'll find with a lot of female stats is stats that make women look bad, it's always under-exaggerated how bad women are.
For example, the CDC says the average body count is 5-8 for women.
But if I survey men and say 5-8, they're like, that would be a miracle!
And it's like, if you survey a thousand people and you're actually in the field getting feedback from people, it's a different picture.
Trying to get a sample that's actually representative of the general population is something that people spent, like Scott Rasmussen has made an entire career, launched several companies over his ability to accurately sample.
So I mean I'm not saying that there aren't areas like London, Miami where absolutely girls are talking about like 10 to 15 and that's just seen as the norm, but I don't think it's fair to kind of extrapolate that to also like this small rural midwestern town But even so, the issue that you're going to get, especially with younger women now, is that they're moving to the big cities.
We've had the choice for over a hundred years now to do what we want, even aside from sex work.
If you look at the top 20 most commonly held careers in 2020 versus 1920, they are almost the same for women.
The only thing that changed that was a big change was we swapped out farm labor for HR work.
Other than that, women still are secretaries, nurses, teachers, daycare workers, administrative assistants.
We're doing all the same stuff we did before, only now we get to pay taxes.
We have to put our kids in daycare.
You pay half what you make to the daycare lady.
Just some other random lady's gonna raise your kids instead of you.
I remember thinking this when I was 20.
What a stupid, inefficient system Who came up with this?
Why do I have to bring my baby to some other lady, pay her half what I make so that she can do the job I want to be doing so I can go to my corporate job and pretend I give a shit about it?
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And like serve your corporate boss instead of your husband.
And then I really think that women should never, pretty much never leave the home.
I think when a woman is in the workplace, you have male co-workers, you build friendships, you're mad at your husband, you want to vent to the people around you.
I literally never leave my house.
Yeah, my husband and I are always home.
He works from home, too.
So I'm always with him.
I never see anyone else.
The only men I see is men from church, his family, our family.
And I'm always with him.
And I just think there's such a gateway for cheating.
Divorce rates will rise.
And also, when women make their own income, feminism tells them you will be unsafe if you don't have your own assets.
Then they feel more empowered to get divorced.
It's great that I fully rely on my husband to support our family, because what would I do if I wasn't with him?
Like, and we're not married legally, we're married just in the church because the legal system does affect men in a terrible way.
But the issue we're going to get into is that men are punished for being traditional by the court system because the man, if he has a stay-at-home wife, he's more of a target.
And I talked to one of the guys that calculates child support and he said, if you want to have the minimal amount of risk, you need a chick that earns what you earn.
And it does have the problems you described, but I'm saying, you know, if we want traditional outcomes, we have to reward them.
And right now we don't.
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And that's what sucks because there's pros and cons to everything and you're never going to have a foolproof system.
And actually, if you do look at child custody laws and when it comes to parental rights, dads actually have more rights if they're married to the mother.
Because if they aren't, they have all these extra steps and hurdles they have to go through.
They have to approve the paternity, they have to do all these things.
Because regardless of what I say, I'm just some random chick with opinions.
I mean, I can't change the laws.
I think regardless of what I say, young men are looking at the market and they're saying, OK, the young women my age, one, they don't want to date me.
Two, they have incredibly high standards.
The quality is lower than ever before.
And if I want to get married, generally, they're going to have to compromise on something.
And then they're going to look at the risk that goes with it.
And many men just aren't going to do it.
You know, I had one guy in Texas, $1.5 million he spent on his divorce.
He sees his kid every other weekend.
California, he spent $300,000 trying to get his kid back.
His kid speaks another language.
He hasn't seen him in three years.
He doesn't even speak the same language as his kid.
These are common, especially military, because military will go for like eight months at a time.
So many military men come back, their wife is gone, all their stuff is gone, and people will say, oh, just it's your fault 'cause you picked the wrong woman.
Oh, you didn't, like, okay, he was gone for eight months.
It was misconstrued for sure by the woke corporate press.
They painted this picture of fat incels, neckbeards... Getting assigned women.
He meant socially, it should be a cultural pressure that there is monogamy, that society doesn't look fondly on people who are promiscuous or polyamorous and things like that.
So basically, if people feared... Imagine cancel culture.
You got emails being like, you're a degenerate, how could you cheat on your wife or your husband?
And people were like, no, I could not get a divorce, you know, I'll lose my job, that kind of thing.
I'm just saying- I think women- Do you agree that society should be structured in a way- I liked Myron had a tweet recently that said that women that cheat on their military husbands when they're deployed should face jail time.
So what happens, though, is they come back from the military, and what they'll do is the women will go to court and say, I've been raising the kid for eight months.
It's in the best interest of the child to stay with me.
Well, he's been serving our country for eight months.
How is that fair?
And a lot of times women also, they can get restraining orders.
So like me and you get into a fight, I get a restraining order, right?
And then I can go to court and say, oh, he hasn't been with the kid in three months.
Andrew had a woman on his show last week who, this is her words, she said when she graduated high school and realized she was going to have to pay her own bills, She kind of freaked out and married her high school boyfriend because he was going into the military and was going to have this reliable income.
But, you know, several years down the line, he's getting deployed all the time.
He's always busy and he didn't pay enough attention to her.
Sorry, I was going to say, I myself, and I know a lot of other women who would flat out just not date anyone actively in the military, because you have to assume they're going to get deployed.
So if you're going into a relationship with someone and that attention is important to you, what are you thinking?
The issue is there's so many workarounds with this stuff.
Like, you know, they change the definition of abuse to include emote.
That's why I say it's feminist language, because abuse used to be a man hitting a woman, and then they expand.
Like, that's what women do first is they change the definition of words.
So It used to be abuse, now we have emotional abuse, financial abuse, and there's just so many loopholes and it's so confusing that women can really use the system to steal children from men.
And then that causes every problem in society.
Homelessness, school shooters, because women are raising men.
Well, in Quebec, which is, I mean, probably the most socially liberal part of Canada, which is already socially liberal, they have done a lot of, they're basically, it's one of those places where no one gets married, people cohabitate.
It's so feminist in Quebec that you actually legally cannot take your husband's last name if you are in Quebec.
You can change your name to whatever you want it, but if you're married and a wife, you cannot take your husband's last name.
There were too many divorces and it kind of caused like a paperwork nightmare for the bureaucracy, so eventually they just said no one's changing their name anymore.
There's a lot of divorces as well and it's interesting because in Quebec, it basically, there's also common-law marriage.
Which is something I don't think is very common in the state, but if you live together, are conjugally together, we are going to determine your spouses.
In most cases, they will determine couples are married even if they say that they're not because they want to tax them at a higher bracket.
It's like, no, no, you guys were living together.
We're going to say you're married.
But as a result, so it's kind of like a microcosm of like how far can we go like getting rid of the institution of marriage.
But one thing I think they do do well is when it comes to child custody, both parents are assumed to have equal possession, equal rights to their children.
And a lot of, I had never, growing up in Asia, I had never met a divorced family until I went to school in Canada.
It just never happened.
The idea of like double-barreled last names, new concept to me.
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But you'd usually see kids would do one week with mom, one week with dad. - Yeah. - And what's interesting with child custody is that, why women became default parents was because of the tender years doctrine.
And women actually argued that we should have default parenthood because we're the ones that are better at taking care of the home and children.
And now the courts have ruled that women get default child custody.
And what's funny is now we have feminism where women say, no, we're equal to men.
We are just like men.
We can go into the workplace.
We don't need being home and taking care of the kids.
That's not for women anymore.
So why isn't that reversed?
And it's because women just have all the emotional powers.
He picked one year from one CPS study and he actually didn't even get the data right there because I went back and checked.
We have 45 years now of major propaganda that has convinced the public that the main threat to women is their husbands.
That if you're going to be abused or mistreated, maltreated in any way, that your husband's going to be the guy and that's what you have to guard against.
That's what you have to be careful of.
But if you look at the National Incident Studies, which takes data from not just CPS, but all reporting agencies, including like women's shelters, emergency rooms, school counselors, all that sort of thing.
Yeah, and so that's why even, like, women are more nurturing.
I don't, I don't think that's true.
Because I don't, I don't see any evidence, like, you know infanticide?
Or in the first year, if the kid dies, police don't even really look into women, it's almost, sorry, into men, because it's assumed it's going to be a woman, because men Basically never killed a kid within the first year.
It's almost always women.
But what happens is whenever there's something that makes women look bad, there's always a gut reaction to give an excuse.
So the reason why you're still better off choosing the men, even though the bear doesn't kill as many people statistically, is because there's a proximity difference.
You're going to be interacting with men a lot more.
So the argument, yeah, the argument, I know what you're going to say.
The argument is that because women are with children more, they're more likely to kill them again.
An excuse.
And it's not true because, because, because, because, because, so again, so women, women, women have, and, but the part you didn't put in there, and this is what they always do.
It's always a lie.
No offense.
But it's, it's that, it's that, no, I know what she's going to say.
You're going to try to argue that it's pretty much equal for men and women abuse, but if it's a man that abuses the children, it's a stepdad.
So whose fault is that?
The woman.
And so that's the most likely one.
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We have to take accountability for our own actions.
Abuse usually happens among people with low socioeconomic status.
Unfortunately, that's just true.
I'm not saying if you're poor you're going to abuse your kid, but the majority of abuse does come from people who are from lower socioeconomic backgrounds.
People who are also from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, overwhelmingly, single mothers.
So in the Bell Curve, they actually do a study on this.
It's not just that if you are a single mother, you are more likely to be poor.
If you are poor, you are more likely to be a single mother.
And the reason why I bring this up is because you can't really make an apples-to-apples comparison because the men in those scenarios, by and large, are not also present in the household.
Men who are from low socioeconomic backgrounds, where they fathered a child out of wedlock, they're not sticking around.
So it's hard to say that this proves that men are more nurturing when men aren't even part of the picture in the first place.
It's almost like saying that because men make up the majority of fatalities on oil rigs, therefore women must be better on oil rigs.
So the idea that men are better with children because the women who are, again, overwhelmingly low socioeconomic status, the men have gone, that doesn't make them more nurturing.
Lower socioeconomic status where these abuse happens, it's not necessarily the case where, oh, we were married and then we got divorced, especially if you're talking about the black community.
These people were never married in the first place.
I was just going to say I have some data that might help clarify this because it's actually a misunderstanding.
This was a big feminist talking point for the last 40 years that when we would bring up the statistics of women being the primary people to abuse children in every metric, Whether it's like mental, emotional abuse, any type of abuse across the board, that mothers are statistically more likely to do that than fathers.
And it doesn't depend on the socioeconomic status, although you're correct that generally the lower socioeconomic status has more abuse, it's proportionally still women regardless of class.
And They would say, well, it's because they're the primary caregivers, they spend the most time.
But what we've seen over the last 40 years is that as men have gained more parenting time and more custody, you would expect that figure to change somewhat, and it has not.
It has stayed exactly the same.
And researchers say that the reasons why women are more abusive is not because they spend more time.
It's because, on average, they're much more likely to be emotionally unstable or have mental health issues.
26% of all adult American women are in at least one psychiatric Prescription drug and men tend to be an emotional stabilization factor.
So when you remove the dad from the home You tend to yes that you could talk about pressures of motherhood and things like that But it tends to just be that men are the stabilizing protective force and women left to their own devices are more likely to abuse and I think that's partially also because Men, when they grow up, learn about rough and tumble play.
They know where the limits of physicality are.
They know that they can hurt somebody if they get carried away.
Women don't have those same experiences.
We don't wrestle.
We don't fist fight like boys do.
And so when you're an adult woman and you lose your shit, On a little kid who you actually have, you know, you have more strength than, or you have the monopoly on force there, women are more likely to get carried away and lose it with a kid.
Same thing in children's prisons, like juvenile facilities, the women tend to be the abusers in those facilities as well.
I mean, how many teachers are sleeping with students now?
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And this is why biblical patriarchy is really the answer, because if we're promoting, I mean, realistically telling people not to get married and stuff, like, a lot of the red pill people do kind of advocate for degeneracy.
I like Myron, but he does say, like, men should sleep with 50 women.
And with that, you're going to get way more broken up families, and we see the detrimental effects on the children, which, you know, Roughly 50% of them will be men in the future.
And when children are raised by single mothers, the girls actually kind of thrive.
They have daddy issues, so they'll probably become a whore.
But hey, empowered boss babe, you're thriving in today's society.
But they actually do pretty well in school.
Boys, they have behavioral problems.
They just act out.
They're more likely to get into crime, et cetera, et cetera.
They're less likely to graduate.
That's partly why we see a lot of the women outperforming men in the education systems.
So it's actually bad for future men to have single mothers to begin with, and that's why we need to be promoting men having strong leadership.
There are things, you know, nothing's foolproof, but there are things that men can do.
Like, I've seen Tim Gordon say, you have to have your wife promise, like, she will always obey you.
No, feminists these days are not going to say, I'm gonna obey you.
I'm not saying it's foolproof.
Women are manipulators.
They can lie.
But also another thing you can do is if you, studies have shown in the 90s when divorce rates have skyrocketed that if you and your wife pray for five minutes every single day that you have a 1 in 1,000 chance of getting a divorce.
So again, not perfect, but you can do things that will greatly limit your odds.
Hang on, because I want to go back to the comparison between single mothers and single fathers that you raised, because something that I noticed when you talk about these issues is that you have a very literally one-dimensional viewpoint or analysis of it.
I understand that black women have higher rates, but if you look at suicide rates, and again, I attribute a lot of suicide to family court, white men have the highest suicide rate.
And this correlates with what I've seen.
White women are especially vicious in family court because they're the ones making it down the aisle.
True.
True.
And I had an attorney say this to me.
He's like, I will never marry a white woman because you guys are vicious in family court.
Especially, I mean, even when it comes to something like body count or STDs, you say, you know, the average woman has, a black woman is five to eight times more likely than a white woman to have all these STIs.
You can just marry a white woman who prays every day and you will be in a statistically different position than you were if you were to marry a black woman without a high school degree.
OK, it doesn't mean it's the majority, but it's significant enough that I can say that the problem is amongst women and the trend is still going that way.
So, OK, yeah, maybe some communities it's at slower rates, but the birth rate is still dropping.
I can't remember the exact, it's either 13 or 18, but it's that out of a hundred marriages, you get between 13 and 18, that the woman is trying to take away your kids, trying to take as much money as she can from you.
We categorized it as malicious, where she's trying to alienate you from your children.
That's significant.
And I would never, never downplay it because, again, you know, I've interviewed men where if they committed suicide this year, I would not be surprised at all.
You know, I'll interview men three miles from him.
He hasn't seen his kids in three years.
And these are not the player types.
These are not the men that are sleeping around.
They're average men, average earners.
And what they do is they try to find a good woman and get married.
And they were sold this bill of goods So don't you think that part of your advocacy, which I'm not all against, you do a lot of posts that I like.
I like that you're talking about no fault divorce and you know, cause I don't like the laws either.
I don't like the government, but I just feel like if you want men to make informed decisions, which I think we, we all agree they should do when it comes to something like marriage.
If you're not talking about these differences that exist racially, that exists based on education level, that exists based on level of piety, then you're not giving them all of the information out there.
You know, I wouldn't know unless I actually spoke to the men and actually did digging that a lot of suicides are from family court.
Before I started researching this stuff, I had no idea.
You know, from what I've seen, you know, we followed like 2000 divorces in Michigan.
70% of the men that commit suicide had some contact with family court in the last five years.
That's over 400,000 men.
That's more.
We're almost to the point where there's more men that have killed themselves than died in all of the wars combined.
So it's like, you know, I'm not discounting differences in groups, but regardless, we see the trend over there.
Women are becoming more liberal.
Why would they not become more liberal sexually?
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I will say though, and I agree that's an awful issue.
Men offing themselves, I know you can't say that word on YouTube.
Unalive.
Unaliving themselves is really bad.
However, I'm not saying it's a good thing.
I'm saying it is an individual choice.
However, these awful things that happen with their families, what caused them to do that, right?
I'm totally granting you that.
I'm just pointing this out because you will say women Basically what I'm trying to say is that you have said that women, when they make these individual choices to be whores, that's on them.
feminism, when everyone's telling you you're empowered if you're a whore, be a boss, babe.
Obviously, these things that are happening in life will lead you to make these bad decisions.
And actually, when it comes to female behaviors, one of the biggest checks on female behaviors is other females, I mean, I don't want to say bullying them, but yeah, kind of keeping in check.
That's a very important part of female social structure is like kind of women keeping each other in check.
So it is important that as fellow women, we don't start to talk.
And that's why like a lot of people were ragging on you for the I-deem-appropriate outfit.
Why didn't you shame her? - Well, she says that she raised her OnlyFans prices 'cause she was trying to discourage people from joining. - Well, hold on, how much did she raise the prices?
I agree with that, but I feel like Like, whore is used often for women who are not hookers to insult them, whereas a hooker is a description of the job they're doing.
That's why I think hooker is the appropriate term.
If you want to see, I actually went through these terms in my hierarchy of whoredom, you know.
I made a video about this.
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And Pearl, even though sometimes I disagree with maybe like the solutions that you pose, this is why I will never agree with all the conservative feminists that get so outraged by what you do, because I'm so pro-shame And I think that there needs to be a fight back against the feminism.
And a lot of that is shaming women.
We need way more of that.
So that's why you've never seen me.
Even if I disagree with something you say, I'm like, I don't care what she says.
I'm glad that she's moving the Overton window.
And I love your series that 35-year-old women are not as attractive as 25-year-old women.
There was this poll, a survey, that found when they did a scientific survey where they presented images of women to men, and they asked them to rate them on attractiveness, and 14, 15, and 16 scored substantially higher.
When they factored in age, it dropped dramatically.
And the thesis was, Men do consider mental development and attractiveness.
They do not want children.
They want women who are capable of functioning in society.
But when they removed that factor and it was simply on appearance, they were choosing teenage girls and what a lot of people don't know, When you're walking in the mall and you see a Victoria's Secret, I don't want to call them out specifically because I don't know, but I can tell you a lot of the models you see in magazines and in stores are 15-year-old girls.
The modeling industry, like the women on the catwalk, women in their bras and their underwear, these are like 15-year-olds, and there's a reason why the modeling agencies choose them.
Yeah, I was going to go professional, actually, until the YouTube stuff, but I played semi-professional for three years, so I just finished season a month ago.
video, oh no, a photo of herself before and after about a 30 pound weight loss that she had gone through after one of her pregnancies, talking about how she didn't like how she looked, so she sucked it up, got on the treadmill, lost like 30 pounds.
Well, I just think it's quite odd to be showcasing your body to the world as a married woman.
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Can we see the tweet?
I just want to see that.
I never saw this.
It was like this Bernadine Bluntly.
How scandalous is the after?
Oh no, I mean she's just in a t-shirt.
It's not like um... But this reminds me of the DeLuca situation where it's like, oh I'm baking a cake but here's like this really tight shirt with my big boobs and like I'm not showing you what I'm baking, I'm showing you this.
I just, like, I don't think there's a problem with moms sharing, and what you have to understand is Bernadine's audience is, like, overwhelmingly female because she runs a, like, a female courtship thing.
I don't think it's a bad thing for women to encourage each other for weight loss and share their weight loss struggles.
It's the meme of the guys hanging out, and then they're like, you're a cunt, F you, screw you, and the guy's like, you guys are bitches, and then the guy leaves, and they go, what a good dude.
These female celebrities who are like, we should be happy for what we look like, give me the Ozempic.
Secretly they were desperately trying to lose weight.
But you know what?
I think Ozempic is awful, but I'm glad it has at least created this movement of admitting being overweight is a bad thing.
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Well here's what women do, I've seen this somewhere, but it's like, women will say Lizzo is beautiful, but tell a woman that she looks like Lizzo, oh hell no.
And guys who grew up in the gutter, not every guy but many guys being treated like crap, they're 26 and someone comments, you're a disgusting fat slob and they go, Yeah.
And so, like, when I say, like, I support, like, Bernadine and her weight loss journey, I am one of those wives who are like, absolutely, I am still getting made up for my husband.
I think we should still try to look hot for our husband.
No, but I'm saying like, it's just funny because you'll have such a double standard for me if I say, blah, blah, blah, cry me a river, I'm the bad guy.
But when women are seeking attention from other men, other men other than their husbands.
A lot of the guests we have on like Timcast IRL, they're having a lot of kids, just having more and more kids.
And I feel like while it's not absolute that their kids will be conservatives, there is still a tendency toward more of those values over a long enough period of time.
Maybe it's 100, maybe it's 200 years.
I don't know.
It seems like all of these things probably will just eliminate themselves through lack of reproduction.
But I still would not predict that their outcomes will be conservative.
I would not.
And this is just from interviewing young women on the street, on my show, Gen Z. And even I have two sisters that are in Gen Z. And this is from upper class, conservative MAGA country, basically.
I wouldn't say when I look at them or their friends, they're particularly focused on that kind of thing.
Final thoughts and then anything you want to mention or shout out as we wrap up.
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I will say that my main concern regarding this topic is what's best for men.
And what sucks is that men have a biological drive to want to have offspring, to want to have a family.
And it sucks that the way our society is, with feminism infiltrating the entire world, the court system, it's just stacked against men.
So I'm constantly trying to figure out and research and find what's the best solution for men.
And I feel like all of us as women, we shouldn't be telling men what to do, obviously.
But I think what we can do is maybe Talk about the issues, maybe talk about what men can do to maybe avoid certain bad situations.
And also, if we're going to talk about what to tell women to do is encourage women to become
better and yeah let's just hope for the best but yeah i agree the future is grim and also we should be teaming up against conservative feminists because there's way too many of them and it's obnoxious can we uh where can people find you and um well actually i have like all my accounts um deactivated right now for a certain um video that went way too viral so i'm waiting for my husband to allow me to activate it so so far nothing but yeah well all right
I would say we have to start by correcting the historical record because people think that feminism is necessary and that it was a reaction to abuse from the patriarchy.
The whole history you think you know is wrong.
And if you start with understanding that, it will help you to see things the way that they are and maybe the way that they should be.
And we can start getting rid of some of this ridiculous women's liberation, sexual liberation stuff.
I think that ultimately, eventually, it will be a self-correcting problem and that generations in the future, I have no idea how long it'll take, but it's going to be a while.
It's a cross-generational project that will look back on both democracy, universal suffrage democracy, and feminism as two of the worst experiments in human history and we will dispense with both.
That's my hope.
Yeah, if you want to find my stuff, my book is on Amazon.
What's it called?
Occult Feminism, The Secret History of Women's Liberation.
It goes all the way back to ancient times and then all the way up through modern times with the CIA propagating everything through the Congress for Cultural Freedom.
I mean, if you are a Christian man and you want a sacramental marriage and you pray every day with your family over your wife, The likelihood of you getting divorced is actually quite low.
Does that mean you have to do it?
No.
But I want people to be going, look at this issue from all sides, from all angles.
You know, there are a lot of group differences out there I don't feel like are talked enough about because it's not politically correct to point that they exist.
So don't ignore those.
And ultimately, yeah, like my advice to you, if you're just like an atheist and a thrupple or whatever, no, don't get married.
Don't just expect some government piece of paper to fix everything.
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So what I would say is many conservatives will try to say that religion is some buffer to divorce, but unfortunately there are no religious women in divorce courts.
What you often see is them trying to make a higher and higher threshold where most religious people don't count.
You're not real if you don't pray every day, yada, yada, yada, yada.
I have seen divorce happen from pastors.
I have seen it happen to, um, Men that are very religious and do not want to break up the home.
But unfortunately, when a woman wants to divorce you, the state will aid her.
And it is not, you can't pray a woman that wants to leave into not leaving you.
Although that is not my hope.
I hope you guys all have happy marriages and have kids.
But I just think, you know, I would never downplay the risk of marriage.
And yeah, I talk about all this stuff.
I have a documentary coming out this year.
Theaudacitynetwork.com is where you can find my website.
And sign up for the memberships if you want to help fund the divorce documentary, because I was demonetized six months ago.
The last chat I'll give to Actual Justice Warrior, he put in a super chat a while ago, he said, I linked this stream to a male feminist and an hour later he texted me back saying, what in the world are these b-words babbling about?
