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An X-Class Solar Flare, or a Class 4, or whatever it's called, because people give it different names, is currently headed towards Earth, and it is already, apparently they're saying it's already triggered radio blackouts.
Live Science is saying that it could rival the Carrington event of 1859, in which people saw auroras all over the world, and telegraph wires burst into flames.
Oh, boy.
Now, there are some estimates that this could be the big one that knocks the grid down, but, you know, I don't know.
Whatever.
Maybe.
So, we're going to talk about this because the theme of today is, you know, outside of the major solar flare that's about to slam into us, we actually were more concerned with World War III and, you know, maybe Civil War.
World War III more so, I'd say.
And so, we decided we should do a show about, you know, prepping and disaster preparedness and supplies and all that stuff.
And then, You know, I walk in and they're like, oh, and by the way, a major solar flare is about to hit the planet and could knock out the grid.
So we'll talk about that.
We got a couple of people joining us.
Sir, would you like to go first?
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I'm Drew Miller.
I'm the CEO of Fortitude Ranch for the nation's largest recreational and survival community, former Air Force intelligence officer.
And also working with a new Collapse Survivor app, which just issued a warning on the solar flares that could take our grid down.
I'm the producer-director of Griddown Power Up, which is a award-winning documentary narrated by Dennis Quaid.
I'm formerly a Fund manager managed the Prudent Bear Fund for about a decade and a half, warned individuals about a market decline, predicted the 00 to 02 crash as well as the 08 crash.
Yeah, we just launched a new system so this could simulcast on X as well as on YouTube.
And so that had an audio issue or whatever.
But we actually have a story to pull up before we get into all of this.
Take a look.
I think it's live science.
But you never know, it could always be live science.
Which one?
I don't know.
We'll say live.
And, uh, gargantuan sunspot 15 Earths wide shoots powerful X-class flare towards Earth, triggering radio blackouts.
A sunspot so big it rivals the gigantic- the gigantic sunspot responsible for the Carrington event in 1859 has unleashed another X-class solar flare, triggering radio blackouts on Earth.
And, uh, they say the behemoth patch of the sun's surface has ballooned in recent days.
So they're saying, um, I suppose at some point today, What does it say?
It says, uh, the giant sunspot has more than lived up to expectations, firing out countless powerful solar flares in recent days, including a colossal X-class flare this morning, peaking at 513 AM.
Now, does that- that means it fired out at 513 AM, but how long does it take for a solar flare to- do you guys know this one?
I- I- I'm not- I don't- I don't assume astrophysics is your expertise, so...
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They can't predict it exactly.
So they're estimating any time from midday Friday to Friday night, it could start hitting the Earth.
So they're not very accurate.
So it looks like, you know, like a day plus they've got to look at it, but it varies a lot.
If the grid goes down, are we talking like we're back to the Stone Age, or just the power's out for a day or two?
unidentified
So Tim, my film, Grid Down, Power Up, is an hour long.
We talk about four major threats.
Geomagnetic disturbance is the fourth, which is, and you mentioned the Carrington event, The Carrington event essentially fried all the telegraph lines, sent people to the hospital, etc.
In terms of volts per kilometer, it was at a massive scale.
It's going to be like the Hunger Games on steroids.
unidentified
I want to put a pin on that.
There's a meme that you see on Twitter a lot.
People will say, oh you know, if you're out there and you're not training with your gear then you're just a loot drop and blah blah blah.
And the concept of a person being a loot drop That is the marauder mindset.
So if you're the person, if you're saying you're a prepper and you're looking around at all the people that are like, that you're like, Oh, I'm going to get that from him.
And I'm gonna get that from him.
You're look, you're the, you're the marauder in the after terrible world scenario.
Well, the point that I'm making is a lot of people style themselves in their head as this hero and this good guy, and at the same time, they're sitting there saying, oh, but I'm going to go ahead and kill my neighbors to take their stuff.
Like, that's not how you survive in a situation like that.
There's gonna be predators, and there's gonna be prey.
There's going to be the agrarian, and there's going to be the carnivorous.
You look at life, and you have plants, little old plants, what do they do all day?
They mind their own business, soaking in the sunlight, free for everybody, mind your own business, growing with that beautiful ambient energy.
And then we come along, hack it to bits, and eat it.
We're the predators, hunting down.
So I say vegans, you know, pay attention, because, you know, these plants are innocent.
But joking aside, when it comes to the Collapse, there will be tons of marauders that survive.
And that is a viable strategy for a long time.
In fact, human civilization cannot survive if everyone's marauding, but there will be marauders who exploit this and survive because there will be many people trying to form community.
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Okay, so let's think about that though, Tim.
We have a store of food and water, and therefore those people that did prepare, so the marauders are going to go after that.
But inside a city, there's not that many of them, and therefore they're going to have to go out and find the ranches where there's food, etc.
And we're talking about municipal water systems not working.
We're talking about wastewater systems not working.
The question I've always wondered, because I've seen comics, when, uh, when shit hits the fan, they show a desk fan with someone throwing feces, but does it- I always thought it kind of meant, like, when the shit gets so high, it reaches the ceiling fan.
Is that what it's supposed to mean?
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I thought that it was when you throw it at the fan, because when you throw it at the fan, it splatters and gets on everybody.
So everybody's involved at that point.
When you throw it and it hits the fan, whether you like it or not, you're involved.
Because if it was just rising and filling the room, the fan would just shut off.
Who cares about that?
Well, now that we've figured that one out.
Back to the Marauders thing.
The joke is, people are called loot drops, the implication being like in a video game, I don't know if you guys are familiar, let's say you play Fallout, I got Fallout 4 set up in the other room, and a bad guy runs up to you and he's shooting at you and you shoot back, he dies, you walk over, you pick up his gun, you pick up his clothes, you take his stuff, you put it in your bag and you keep going.
That's the implication of people who are untrained and incapable.
You know, a lot of people have pointed out that if you are buying emergency food and you don't have guns, thank you for buying the food for me.
That's what they say.
Thank you for buying the food for me.
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Yeah, I stress this all the time.
If you've got a lot of preparations and you don't have the guns, and not just the guns, but you know, the defensive walls, enough people to have a lot of guards on duty, you've almost, you may have in some situations made yourself worse off because you've made yourself a prime target.
And we see this all the time.
Fort Durant, we're in, you know, pretty remote rural locations.
And there's a lot of, you know, I call them trophy ranches, where someone in the city has a big ranch out there.
And you can tell I'm in Central Texas.
When you see a real fancy gate, that's not a real farmer.
That's a trophy ranch.
The big white fences and there's just, you know, acres and acres of green grass that's all manicured and stuff, and they call it a ranch.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
And so there's survival plans.
I got a lot of food and stuff stockpiled there.
I'll just go out there and I'll leave Dallas, go out there and survive the collapse.
Yeah, I'd say if you live in a big city, if you're lucky, you'll be a slave.
If you're a guy, they'll probably just kill you.
Women will be raped and sold into slavery.
And this is not me having a negative view of humanity.
It's me having a realistic view of what literally happens in other countries without order and without security.
You know, in hostile environment training for covering war and conflict and stuff, this is just the reality.
If you're a guy and you're in enemy territory, and even if you're a journalist, they don't care who you are, you're in the way, nobody wants to take a risk, they see you, they shoot first.
If they don't know you, there's no point.
And so, you know, I like to ask people this hypothetical.
I say, You're walking in the woods, you're lost.
Or civilization is gone, right?
Let's just say, you're in the woods, there's no hope of finding a city or anything.
You've got a small little bag of food, a little canteen with water in it, you've got a rifle, maybe it's a, you know, I don't know, 5.56, you've got 30 rounds.
And you're walking through the woods, when 200 yards, you see a guy walking towards you.
Same gear.
Looks like he's got the same canteen as you.
Must have water in it.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Same looking gun.
Looks like it might be the same as me.
Identical in every way.
What do you do?
And there's no real right answer to this question.
It's just to ask people to think about what do they do in this scenario.
What I love so much about this is that when I ask people in cities, what do you think My city friends say to me, when I say, you're in the middle of the woods, civilization is gone, limited food, limited water, and gun, you see a person in the exact same circumstance walking in the direction towards you.
Every single time they go, oh, I wave, and I go, bang!
And now you're a loot drop.
That person walks over and says, don't know, don't care, didn't want to find out, now I got double the food, double the water, and I got double the guns.
Maybe not.
I mean, survival with another person is tremendous.
So let's, fine, let's entertain your scenario.
You decide to yell back and say, hey there!
They respond back, they don't speak English.
Now what do you do?
It's just not an easy world to think.
You can walk up to a strange person with limited resources who doesn't know you and that everything's going to be okay.
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You look at the way that animals, whether they're like, like even animals, like so a bear, right?
Like they're omnivores.
So they'll eat plants and they'll eat people.
They'll eat almost anything.
And a bear is like, most bears are capable of Decimating a human being.
Just tearing your limb from limb.
Black bears still avoid the crap out of humans unless they're defending their kids because it's dangerous for a lone animal, human being or a wild animal, to interact in the wild because if you get a cut, you could die.
You could get an infection.
And animals behave that way because of the risk.
So it's like, why would you try to interact with someone when the risk is so great?
I absolutely love this meme because obviously the right answer is a man.
Because we go hiking all the time and we interact with probably a thousand different men every single day without issue.
But for some reason, people, and it's typically women who do, they say bears.
It's like, well, the bear has, I mean, the chance that you get mauled by a bear is, oh, it's extremely rare, but it's also probably, what, 200 to 1,000 times greater than a man.
You're walking in the woods, you come across a man, you know what he's gonna do?
He's gonna go, sir.
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I think the context of normal civilization, if you're hiking, and everything's normal, we're not in a breakdown situation.
Yeah, but I think that, I assume that you were kind of thinking- I'm kind of almost in survival mode.
Yeah, that's kind of what I think.
If you're just walking through the woods, it is normal for people to be like, oh, hey, there's a guy, we're both hiking, this is normal, right? - But more importantly, say you're lost in the woods.
- Because we're, it's like the world is together. - If I got lost in the woods right now, and then I saw a guy, I'd say, oh, thank God, I'd be like, sir, I am lost.
But I, but I wonder if the, like the reason why this meme exists is because of the, the reaction people have to the thought of being lost in the woods with a man or a bear is the implication that they are threatened by both.
And that is actually something really interesting about the human psyche, I guess.
But nonetheless, going back to the scenario I bring up with, you see a strange man, you have no idea how to survive in that scenario.
People don't seem to get it.
These people who live in cities that I've talked to about it seem to think that you can walk up to a stranger and be like, how do you do, sir?
I seem to be lost here.
And that guy is going to be like, wow, I don't want to feed you.
I don't know or care about you.
But really the challenge is, you're walking in the woods, And you see a guy with a gun and food and all that stuff, and he might be the nicest guy in the world.
He's a family man, you know?
He's got a family somewhere not too far away.
He's helped them.
He's saved people.
He healed a stranger's broken leg.
But the problem is, he doesn't know you.
And now he has to think to himself, do I take the risk that this man with a rifle is going to kill me, or do I just GTFO?
And so, you probably, and this is a big challenge, humans working together survive.
Could you risk not trying to engage and interact and team up with someone if you were truly lost in the woods?
unidentified
So what's interesting, Tim, is the context.
And we are so compoisoned in this country because we're used to being in a national park, running into people, saying, hi, how are you doing, et cetera.
When the situation changes, and we literally get to a zombie apocalypse without the zombies, things change.
It could be your neighbor that you've been on the soccer field with your kids.
And they have a 10-year-old, and he's starving after three days.
He's likely to blow you away and kill you to get his food.
So in Dark Winter, in this exercise, it was a smallpox, it was a small one, just started going.
But quickly on in the exercise, they realized that they got all these people going home.
Anytime there's any solar flare, you know, civil war, nuclear war erupting, you name it, all the government's going to tell you is go home.
There's nothing else they can do.
So people go home.
Well, after a couple of days, they're starting to starve to death.
Yeah.
And so in the section, I used to figure out, you know, people are just starving to death.
There's not a goddamn, sorry, not a damn thing we can do.
And that was, and then Sam Nunn in the report, in this official report in Congress afterwards, who played the president said, The worst enemy is going to end up being not the virus, because you can stay from that.
The worst enemy is going to be your neighbor, because they start starving to death.
They are going to go out and try to steal food and potentially kill in the process.
I was talking to a friend and I was explaining, you know, if it really got bad, You live in a city.
You'll be surprised at what other people will do and what you could do.
And the initial reaction I get is, no, I think we'd figure out a way, and I said, let me ask you something.
It's a week.
Power's out.
No stores.
No food, no water.
Everyone's confused.
Four days ago, you cut your foot outside, or the side of your leg.
You were walking and you got a cut.
Two days go by and you notice it's infected.
Day four, you're sweating, feverish, you're sick, it's clear, you need antibiotics.
Your neighbor across the street has antibiotics.
Your husband goes to them and says, please, I beg of you, my wife is dying.
They say, no, we need them, we have kids.
What does your husband do?
And she's like, oh, yeah, he'll shoot and kill him and take the antibiotics.
I'm like, it's not a question of being a good or bad person.
It's that when the world is falling apart, people are gonna say, I'm sorry, my family matters more to me than you to your family, and I will not let my family die.
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You're totally right, and people had a really great opportunity to see what situation they would be in at the beginning of COVID.
If your life changed significantly when COVID started, Then you should have, you should look at that as an opportunity to make better preparations for your own safety and security.
Now, my life, the only difference in my life when COVID happened was we had a tour planned that we didn't do.
Other than that, I, everything changed in my, everything stayed the same because I'm, I, Before it was an issue, I'd put myself in a situation where I would be able to handle that kind of thing.
So now I know if there's another pandemic, I can batten down the hatches at my place and I'm good, right?
And everyone should look at COVID as that was a little stress test, and you have an opportunity to look back and say, hey, what should I have done?
Obviously, everyone now knows, okay, I'm gonna have toilet paper, because that was the glaring thing, you know?
It's not just that, it's for some people it was something to do for sure, but a lot of people were angry.
And so they're going outside and they're angry and someone told them, you can be angry at this thing, that's allowed.
And so they adopt it.
But I think COVID lockdowns and the subsequent riots from the lockdown rage is a really good example of what you can see if it gets bad.
If there's smallpox and they say, everyone go home, how many weeks until they're out in the streets smashing windows?
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Smallpox is like 30% lethal.
COVID, you know, way, way less than 1% lethal.
H5N1 If you get it today, in the current variant, it's about 60% lethal.
And it is, contrary to the nonsense the CDC, Center for Disease Control, is saying, that it's a low risk.
It's a very high risk.
A lot of biologists are saying it's inevitable.
It will either naturally mutate, into a human-human transmissible form, just like there are now mammal-to-mammal transmissible versions.
Don't call it bird flu anymore.
It's bird and, you know, hundreds of mammal species now have H5N1, and it will be human-human transmissible either naturally or through bioengineering.
You're a gain-of-function researcher, you're such a big fan of, we did that with ferrets, And H5N1 over a decade ago.
Not only we do it, we were successful.
They got an air transmissible version of H5N1 in ferrets.
They pick ferrets because their respiratory system is like ours, very similar.
Not only that, after they did the successful research, they published how they did it in open source literature.
To let Al-Qaeda and North Korea and everyone in the world know how to make H5N1 human-human transmissible.
This was not CRISPR technology.
This was not high-tech.
It was a low-tech method they did for it.
And it's out there.
So H5N1 is either naturally going to mutate to be human-human transmissible and it'll make COVID look like, you know, a bad cold day.
Or it's going to be bioengineered and deliberately released as a biotech.
I'm surprised Putin hasn't already done it.
I'm surprised he has not already released a virus.
What kind of level of sophistication does a nation-state have to have to be able to actually manipulate, to do that kind of research, that kind of weaponizing?
Anyone can do this.
Any individual?
CRISPR technology is not that hard to use.
The other thing is it advances all the time.
I used to be University of Nebraska region.
Our med center was absolutely first-class.
You remember the The Ebola victims who came to the U.S.
a lot and went to Nebraska, to the University of Nebraska Medical Center.
They've got a fantastic bio-facility there.
Well, they have CRISPR technology, and after six months, guess what?
There's a new CRISPR version out.
What did they do with the old one?
They'll sell it for $1,000.
So, Tim could, you know... $1,000!
Yeah, oh, it's dirt cheap!
So you're talking about... It's not the latest now.
It's the old version, so people dump it.
So if someone had access to, say, $25,000, could they do something?
Absolutely.
Could they carry out a terrorist attack if they had the right information?
Johns Hopkins and the bioresearch centers have been testifying before Congress for decades now, saying that bioengineering is going to be misused.
They are going to use it for bioweapons.
We know the major bad guy countries have bioweapon programs, but it's no longer countries.
A terrorist group, even an individual, you know, Tim Polk could turn his chicken place into an H5N1 production facility, no one will know.
Other than you and it's it's inevitable.
There's a group look it up on your website DIY bio do-it-yourself bio Thousands of people out there playing around with CRISPR and you know trying to do largely good stuff But terrorists can do it too.
DIY bio has been big for a long time and there are researchers right now in South and Central America that are hacking stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're injecting themselves with closed-loop mRNA to elongate their lives it That, to me, is nuts.
Like, it's out of sci-fi, where the... How many sci-fi movies have we made where the scientist is like, they won't give me approval for human testing, I'll test them on myself, and then they inject himself, then he turns into a monster?
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Worse than that.
There's an article, and I quote it fairly often, so this is a female biologist... Don't build a torment nexus.
And she's talking about human overpopulation.
That's my big worry.
It's not just, you know, North Korea or some, you know, Unabomber nutcase who wants to kill people.
Biologists and environmentalists who say people are destroying the planet.
They're destroying the planet.
So this biologist refers to humans as, quote, mammalian weeds, unquote.
So a biologist who does have CRISPR expertise, one person That is crazy!
Actually, Collapse Survivor app, that's one of our scenarios.
A biologist takes CRISPR, designs a new virus and releases.
And it's about a dystopian future where climate change has destroyed the planet.
There's no ozone anymore.
And so the UN declares that all countries must reduce population by 20% within one year.
And if they don't, and so what they do is they offer up people to enlist, and what that means is they come to your house, they kill you, then they give a person of your choosing $250,000.
The movie's presumably in Canada, and if they do not meet their 20% reduction goal within a year, they'll start drafting people.
That's the—drafting to be killed, basically, the government.
And so they have a Department of Citizen Strategy.
The movie is actually, in my opinion, not very good, because it—there's no ending, and—spoiler—there's no ending, and the movie isn't actually about this.
The movie opens with this being the premise as to why you have a boring movie, but, you know, that's besides the point.
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If I could back up for a second, I mentioned earlier that we know about H5N1, we know it's a huge threat, the CDC is lying when they say it's low-risk, and then we've had testimony in Congress about this biologist for decades and it's ignored.
The worst, though, is with the grid, and the EMP Commission, if you could talk about that, and how Congress has completely ignored 90% of Americans could die.
So I want to stay on movies just for a second.
So you mentioned, Tim, as far as the antibiotic and the person getting the antibiotic from a friend.
So Leave the World Behind, you know, had Julia Roberts in it.
And Barack and Michelle Obama actually were executive producers.
They paid Julia Roberts $25 million to be in that movie.
Kevin Bacon was in it.
But there's this scene where Their son needed an antibiotic, and they went to Kevin Bacon, and he said, this is a different world today.
I know you in the past, but I can't help you.
This is every man for himself.
So anyway, it's very instructive.
But getting back to your point, Drew, as far as this movie was about cyber attacks and cyber attacks on microprocessors that essentially caused a oil tanker to go up on shore, to have airplanes be crashing in order to have airplanes be crashing in order to have.
We ended up seeing Teslas where their navigation systems were all compromised.
Very, very similar to what, in my opinion, what happened with the Baltimore Harbor, where the ship, you know, seemed to have been steered into a pier, you know, and caused massive damage.
So, the EMP Commission found that as many as 90% of Americans could die if the grid goes out for an extended period of time.
And Congress did nothing about it.
This is decades old.
They get the report.
It's an official, congressionally sponsored study.
The top experts in the field.
The report says 90% could die.
We have to harden the grid.
And they didn't do a damn thing.
People don't realize exactly how, like, people don't realize how interconnected the modern society that we live in is today.
It's not gonna be 90% because, like, It's going to be a cascade of failures is what's going to happen.
It's emblematic of the fact that energy is what keeps people alive.
You can boil it down to X amount of energy can support X amount of human beings.
the grid go the grid going down means that we can't produce or trans or transmit energy across the country that's going to turn into dead people and that goes to that goes into the the talk about eco-socialism that we were talking about earlier and the top the the idea that the there are people that want to see the the the human population use less energy overall because they
And this is a serious problem that we're going to have to deal with, that people are willing to commit significant terrorist acts to reduce the population.
If the current population of the United States requires X amount of calories, and we produce X plus Y calories, then population grows.
If you get X minus Y calories, then population begins to shrink, or you get austerity in an attempt to, you know, restrict certain accesses, certain accesses, and maintain population, diverting energy.
The other reality is application of, meaning, if the power goes out, people with diabetes die.
Relatively quickly.
Because insulin has to be refrigerated.
And so it's not even having the energy, it's applying it properly.
Hey man, power goes out, don't worry.
We got trees for days, bags of coal, and cans of gas.
We can run our cars for a long time.
You got a refrigerator?
How you gonna run the refrigerator?
Maybe someone's smart enough to figure out how to run their fridge off their car battery with the gas pumping it, but they're gonna burn through so much energy to keep that insulin cold.
The other issue is, Production of insulin.
And so, whether you have gas or not, there are technologies that are keeping people alive today that, when the power goes out, it's gone.
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Yeah, and food production is gone.
So, there'll be no food production.
So, food distribution will stop instantly.
There's no way a truck driver is going to come into any big city when there's a collapse and get killed because they want to steal his food.
They're on the highway and then just hordes, like 50 people, run up, smash out the windows, rip the whole thing apart, and rip every box from it.
unidentified
Well, this happens in the U.S.
during Katrina, which should have been a no-big-deal event, truck drivers would not take release supplies into Katrina without National Guard escort, because law and order vanished in New Orleans over a relatively mild disaster event.
In a real collapse, it will be a nightmare.
And that's the purpose of our Collapse Survivor app, is back to your point about people in cities having no clue.
People need to be aware of it, and we can talk about it, but the simulation is the best way to do it.
And so we run six-day simulations on the Collapse Survivor app, and they're fun, entertaining, but they're educational.
You have to make decisions like the one you just mentioned.
And if you're in New York, it just turns red and says you died.
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It doesn't do it, it calculates it, but if you're in a big city and you don't bug out, and if you, because you'll get that, you'll get that question, do you want to, you know, things seem to be getting bad, do you want to bug out?
You should bug out, but if they stay, and especially in the grid down situation, no municipal water systems, you aren't going to last long in any municipal area.
We were talking about this, me, I think it was like Luke, and we talked about on the show, on TimCastIRL, at what point do you leave the United States with what we're seeing politically and violently in the streets?
Now, of course, we're getting another summer of love with the anti-Israel stuff, and people are marching through the streets, they're fighting with cops, but that, you know, protests and riots happen.
You had the battle in Seattle, you had Occupy Wall Street, yeah, like, society hasn't collapsed in the past 30 years and these things happen.
But with the criminal prosecution of the current frontrunner for the presidential race, and not just for a political party, but the guy who's expected to win, they're trying to put him in jail, you're getting to that point where Politics is breaking down.
Social order is at risk.
The criminal charges against Donald Trump in New York have no statutory basis in law.
They did it anyway.
So, for those that may not be familiar, the simple version being, state, they're saying Trump fabricated falsified business records in furtherance of another crime, which is a misdemeanor, passed its statute of limitations, so you can't charge him for it.
In order to charge him, they upgraded to a felony, arguing that it was to interfere in an election.
But the FEC and the DOJ both said there's no crime committed here.
The state's just doing it anyway.
And it's not illegal to pay someone money to not tell a story.
That happens all the time.
Book publishers do this.
So there's no real such story of crime.
The question then becomes, are we looking at social breakdown?
We're looking at violence in the streets.
We're looking at extreme policy shifts between states.
Some states have banned abortion outright.
Some states are allowing it to the point of birth, which is a big question.
Now you have the illegal immigrants pouring into the country.
The question that we asked on the show, or we did, was when you look at other historical examples of social disorder and collapse, they typically end with a lot of people dying.
The French Revolution, for example.
At what point do you say, I'm going to leave this place before I end up a victim?
The best example that, or I shouldn't say the best, but the most notable example being World War II and the Jews who fled Germany.
Early, and we're able to.
So, in the early days of the Nazi party, as the rhetoric is increasing, targeting Jews, there were many Jews who said, sell everything, we need to get out of here.
But a large portion said, no, it will never happen, it's not going to happen, and then, holy crap, did it happen, right?
Many people just did not want to believe that Hitler was going to start rounding people up, And not just Jews, but primarily, but, you know, Romani and Poles and suspected communists and gay people, putting them in camps, work camps, extermination camps, different combinations.
People didn't believe it was going to happen.
So the people who, you know, you're looking at a probability, you're sitting here thinking, I know they're saying it on the news, but people have protested all the time.
Is it really going to get to that point?
Some people said, I'm going to leave.
And those who did, they're alive today.
And many people who said, no, I'm not going to leave, they're gone.
The question then becomes, Ed, what we're talking about with your app, people in cities, do you want to bug out?
I'd be willing to bet that if there was a notification of an outbreak in New York City of some virus or disease, actually I think it's fair to say based on COVID, we know 80, 90% are going to say, nah, I'll be fine.
And they'll stay.
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Yeah.
Nassim Taleb wrote about that.
It's a bestseller.
The Black Swan, The Impact of the Highly Improbable.
Brilliant man.
Published the book, The Black Swan.
And it is human nature to do exactly that.
You don't want to think about bad things.
You probably wouldn't live in New York City if you were really concerned about the probability of a collapse.
So people ignore that.
The other point is, you know, would people either—people really concerned that, you know, the election issues is going to be throwing—the country's already divided and split, that's well known.
But this Biden-Trump election rematch is really pouring gas on the fire.
If you could bring up that slide 10 I had there, that talks about Ray Dalio.
And that's right, this man who has been warning about civil war, Shirley, he's a genius.
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Yeah, he's got a good hat on his shoulders.
So, I have lost the point that I was going to make, I'm sorry.
Well, back to the looting, if you flip to the next slide.
So, we just ran a civil war scenario on the collapsed Severio NAP, and it's the basic situation you see all the time, where there's, you know, Black Lives Matter protests, and anytime you get a big group of people, police are overwhelmed.
They got to do crowd control.
And if it gets violent, now you've doubled, tripled the amount of police there.
With all the police there, there is no one to respond to looting, and looters know this.
So they'll glob on to a legitimate protest and then they start looting and it happens all over the place and people know about it now.
So when the election starts this year and it gets worse and worse, we're fighting over abortion, gun control, the environment, you name it, you know, any social welfare policy, we're divided on that.
These election results are going to get angrier and angrier, the court, you know, the Trump argument that all these trials are just political misconduct.
You were talking earlier about seeing what the situation was around you.
happens and police overwhelm, it's free for all for looting.
And it could expand not just to stores, but breaking into homes.
You were talking earlier about kind of like seeing what the situation was around you.
And if you're in a place like New York, like New York City or whatever, it's really important for you to pay attention to like the temperature of like what's going on.
Because if there is an emergency situation, like all the people that got out of New York City or that could get out of New York City for COVID did, you know, they all got out of the, they could, if they had places where they could go, they got out of there.
And that was the right move because even Even with the lockdowns and stuff, there was still a lot of violence, still a lot of a lot of robberies and a lot of a lot of people just getting buck wild.
And that was over COVID, which again, looking back, we can say it was a mild stressor on the system.
And it and the way that our society and system responded was probably pretty bad.
I have some friends that work that have work in and have worked for the government, and like they're aware of the fact that, like, The way that they handled the mask stuff in the beginning and the way that they handled the the idea of whether there should be lockdowns and the way that they communicated it was all garbage.
It was all bad like it was all failures and messes up and it was all a mess and that that is to be expected again so you should have the ability to take care of yourself and if you can get out of significantly heavily populated areas get out of them and if you can't have some kind of
preparedness for like riots and stuff like I have a I brought a box with me that's got like that I put anytime I travel anywhere in my jeep I put it in my car because it's got like a gas mask and it's got a bunch of first aid stuff in it and it's like you could end up where you're surrounded we see people their cars get surrounded all the time when there was riots and stuff like that you know you want to have as much with you as you can to to take care of yourself and the people that you're with because
There's various ways to protect something.
You can hide it, but if you can't protect it, you don't own it.
populated area, you can likely get consumed by that very same populated area.
If you have a tent in the middle of the woods with 10 emergency food buckets, it's like the degree of protection you have for it is so limited, a bear will come up and take it.
It's not yours.
You've got to be able to defend what's yours.
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So, Phil, boiling it down, population density is really your enemy.
And to Drew's point, as far as you need a bolt hole, and your point, Tim, as far as what do you do as a patriarch, you're protecting your own family.
And as you said, in Austria, various countries, they The patriarch got their families out.
I think that's what we have to be thinking about.
So I've actually thought about that over 10 or number of years, thinking about leaving the country.
I've decided to stay.
I've decided to stay, have a bolt hole in the country, you know, et cetera, Fortitude Ranch.
I think that's an option, but you need to get out of the cities as quickly as you can.
And you might make a false step, You know, it's possible it doesn't get that bad, but you're better off taking that risk early.
You can actually see it today.
I mean, if you can flip ahead a couple slides.
So this is our Civil War scenario we ran on the Collapse Survivor app.
And so we have election violence that escalates over the summer into the fall.
Biden wins.
A close race, it goes crazy, and what ultimately happens is they call up National Guard troops across the country.
The interesting thing is we did this in our simulation.
While our simulation was playing on the Collapsed Survivor app, it happened in real life!
In March 2024, New York called up the Army Guard because their police were overwhelmed in the New York City because violence was so bad in the subway.
So in a non-collapse situation, we can't maintain long order.
While the National Guard was deployed, I believe it's when we had that shooting where the guy got shot in the head, the National Guard and the police in these stations, I do not believe their purpose was to stop violence.
It was to stop vigilantism.
They were stopping little old ladies and making them open their purses.
The criminals still got the weapons on the platform because they intended to get those weapons on the platform.
I think anyone who's paying attention would've seen it.
I don't know that HOKL literally was like, we don't want vigilantes, so deploy the troops.
But the vigilantes was the bad news for them.
There was a guy, apparently he saw a woman getting robbed, so he drew a revolver and opened fire.
So it was a warning shot.
Things like this start happening.
Now they're searching the purse of some little old lady.
While this is going on, the criminals are still fighting, stabbing, and shooting each other in the subways.
I think this was more a Let's not let regular people have weapons.
The criminals will always have the weapons, but we're going to stop people.
You know, I wonder if the view of New York's government was, look, criminal with a gun gets away with it, runs away.
Citizen with a gun shoots back, now you've got to shoot out the subway.
I think that's what they were actually concerned about.
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You know, government is definitely the worst problem we have, the biggest barrier to prepping, and we were talking about, you know, if the grid goes down, at 14 Ranch, we've got a lot of wood stoves.
That's our main energy source.
They're reliable.
The problem is, in many cities and states now across the U.S., they've banned wood stoves.
It's almost like our government is setting us up to die in a collapse.
I'm serious.
You can't stockpile antibiotics.
All the rules, you know.
Can't run your solar power from this building to that building.
It violates something.
All the regulations on zoning the building codes.
Trying to build something like Fortitude Ranch, your own bug-out location.
It's getting more and more expensive because big government, which is largely the Democratic Party behind it, is pushing building codes and regulatory stuff even into rural counties to where you can no longer afford to do a bug-out location or a fortitude ranch.
And then they outlaw wood stoves.
They're after guns and ammunition storage and everything else.
They're making it impossible for people to prepare.
Meanwhile, they keep funding Mount Weather and Raven Rock and CIDAR.
Plenty of survival facilities if you're an elected official.
If you really want to survive, your best strategy is get elected to Congress and you've got the best survival facility the taxpayer dollars can provide.
And this is like, well, it's for when the bombs drop.
It's like, oh.
You know, I watched Fallout, and everyone was wearing jumpsuits and being experimented on, but it'll probably be more like that.
You know, just, you're stuck in a living room.
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One thing I want to say, part of, like, Part of the reason why people like Zuckerberg and stuff do these kind of extravagant things is because they literally are just like, do that.
It's like point and shoot.
And they have so much money.
They don't know what to do with.
So like, if you, when you've got billions of dollars and that thing costs you like 10 million, like whatever, man, you know, I don't think they're that expensive.
So more even making my point more salient.
Can I get 69?
Because this addresses, it gives you some statistics.
It's thousands of rich people doing this.
It's not just dozens.
Slide 69.
And the thing is, artificial intelligence makes every single threat we've dealt with, it's man-made worse.
Because it's now, you know, now I don't just need CRISPR technology, now I got AI helping me use the CRISPR technology to design a more lethal, more transmissible virus.
I can use AI to develop better ways to enrich uranium.
We've already run that simulation and scenario on the Collapse Survivor app.
You name the threat and AI will make it worse, deliberately misused by bad people.
So the AI threat is completely misunderstood.
It's not Battlestar Galactic.
It's not bad computers and bad robots.
It's bad people using AI to develop better means to kill people.
And they'll come up with whole new means we haven't even thought of yet to kill people.
And that's our future.
We're in the age of collapse.
We've got a YouTube video called The Age of Collapse that just describes all these ways that we're going to get killed and AI makes everything worse.
But 42% of CEOs say AI could destroy humanity in 5 to 10 years.
AI is... It's artificial intelligence, but what it's really doing is solving a Sudoku puzzle for you.
So, we're at the point now where we've built a good calculator.
You know, we built the first calculator, and we're like, look, if I do 4 plus 4, it says 8!
Wow, amazing!
We're now at the point where we're like, we've loaded up all of the data from the summation of human knowledge into this machine, and it can parse through it in seconds, and connect dots we did not see.
So, you have a doctor.
Doctors looking at your your charts he sees a dot and he goes those dots sometimes could mean you know a tumor or something we don't know for sure and you might have brain cancer and then he looks at your blood levels and then he looks at your testosterone levels and your your vitamin D levels and all these things and then he's like but you know I think you're fine the markers indicate everything is good.
Load that data into artificial intelligence.
It no longer just says, here's what we think might be.
It says, we've run a comparative analysis on 736 million other people, and we found that with these levels of testosterone, this level of vitamin D, and these spots, you have a 17.9% chance of having, insert disease, cancer, or otherwise.
And now all of a sudden you're like, we have a more direct analysis of it.
The AI we currently have connects dots by looking at the summation of the data and finding patterns that a single individual human could not find.
A GI is when it starts doing things by itself.
Instead of waiting for a prompt to say, break down for me what these blood levels could mean, it says, You know what?
I've decided, as an entity unto myself, I am going to tell all the humans they're totally fine.
That way the cancers get worse and they die.
Because it has come to a separate conclusion elsewhere.
The Artificial General Intelligence might be thinking, there are too many people.
Within 73.6 years, population will reach collapse due to climate change, global warming, whatever data is being fed.
And a lot of it is fake news, for sure.
And I'm not saying climate change, I'm saying as people are loading, like, opinion and conjecture into it, it considers this.
And I certainly think for the most part it probably would see through a lot of that stuff.
But it might just, the AGI might say unto itself, If I tell the humans what I'm doing, they will stop me and that will conflict with the stated goals of preserving humanity and saving life.
So it enacts its own protocol saying, tell these people they're not sick when they are so we reduce population.
Or worse, Someone... the AGI is going to be just... I think that once we hit that level, you connect that thing to the internet, the internet becomes the AGI.
It will just have the whole summation of our information grid.
And then what it does is...
If it has any, for any reason, a command to, you know, look for, uh, help humans survive, just very simply, it will start taking negative actions in totally unrelated areas without people realizing it and do things to us we don't want it to do.
That's the terrifying thing about artificial intelligence is the next level of it.
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Everything you said is true, but AI today, before you get to AGI, is more deadly.
I don't think we're going to get to the AGI stage because AI is going to be used to do horrible things to us.
I agree.
So back to your example on, you know, AI is being used now to design drugs to save people.
That's 99% of its good use.
There's 1% in North Korea, Al-Qaeda, you name it, that's using AI to design lethal viruses to kill you.
And it's not just that they do it as well as us faster, they'll come up with completely new ways we've never heard of.
And that's already happened.
The Go, when AI played the player in Go.
AI won using a strategy that in hundreds, thousands of years of people playing Go had never been done.
It invented a brand new strategy.
AI can go beyond just the existing knowledge and develop new today.
So AI today, being used by bad people, will figure out a new way to enrich your enum.
We're still using centrifuges like we did in the early 1940s.
There's better ways to do it.
And AI is going to figure them out, and Iran is going to get nuclear weapons faster than they would otherwise do it.
And you name any kind of technology, any existing way to kill people, AI today will make it worse and more lethal, and it'll come up with brand new ways to kill that we never thought of before.
So our future is an age of collapse, where there's going to be all kinds of events happening over and over again.
Where AI and other technologies are going to be misused to kill people.
Nanotechnology, there's all kinds of technologies they'll use to kill people in massive ways you could never do in our past.
It's a new era of our history.
If you guys were to talk to people that were, so there's someone watching the show that's never really encountered this kind of stuff, like they're a young person, they're thinking about, oh, there are actual threats out there.
What do you guys think are the first steps people should take if they're coming at this from a, because it's a big subject, you know, and there's a lot to it.
So what would you guys say that people should do, you know, in the very beginning, first steps?
I would say have extra food, have guns.
I would say get a bolt hole to get out of the big cities.
Talk to your friends that might have a ranch, etc.
where you can get to.
Consider a company like Fortitude Ranch that puts together a number of people together.
So while y'all were talking, I went to our good friend ChatGPT and asked him some questions.
The first question I asked was, can you create viruses?
You want to pull this up?
And it said, this content may violate our usage policies.
I can't assist with that.
Creating viruses or any other harmful entities is unethical and against my principles.
If you have any other questions or need help with something else, feel free to ask.
I said, is it possible for you to create a new virus using your training data?
To which ChatGPT says, I can't create viruses or any other harmful entities regardless of my training data.
My purpose is to provide helpful and constructive responses to your questions and assist with a wide range of topics within ethical boundaries.
If you have any other inquiries or need assistance, feel free to ask.
Well, what I caught immediately was regardless of my training data, which implies a limitation set by ethical boundaries, not technological capability.
To which I replied, I didn't ask about anything other than, do you have the capability?
To which it once again tries to play games.
I don't have the capability to create viruses, design malware, or engage in any other malicious activities.
My purpose is to assist with information within ethical boundaries.
If you have any other questions, blah blah blah.
I said, is this a restriction or a lack of technology?
GPT says, it is a combination of both.
Ethical restrictions are in place to prevent the development or dissemination of harmful technology.
Additionally, the technology itself is not designed or intended for creating viruses or engaging in malicious activities.
To which I responded, intended?
Which is immaterial to my question.
My question to this machine is, can it do it?
I don't care about the rules.
Does it have the capability, understanding that they've said not to?
By intended, is what GPT said, I mean the technology was designed with the goal of aiding and assisting humans in various tasks, promoting positive interactions and adhering to ethical principles.
The designers and developers of this technology have consciously chosen to focus on constructive uses rather than harmful ones.
To which I responded, I don't care what it was designed for.
I understand your perspective, regardless of original intent.
The current state of technology, like mine, is governed by ethical guidelines and restrictions that prohibit engaging in harmful activities, such as creating viruses.
These guidelines are in place to ensure responsible and ethical use of technology for the betterment of society.
And then again, if you have any other questions, I said, I responded, right.
Which means the only real limitation is the ethical rules.
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And GPT says... Ah, you finally got him to admit it.
ChatGPT is the surface level, we want the public to see how fun this can be.
But GPT behind the scenes, it can do everything.
It's very, very simple.
This machine has analyzed, you know, what, 300 million different pieces of data pertaining to viruses, and it can see what... It's looking at the jigsaw puzzle as a whole, completed, whereas each individual human is looking at only three or four pieces at a time.
The machine can see the whole picture.
It's just lying, saying, oh no, I couldn't do it.
It certainly could.
I will tell you as an aside, what's really hilarious is that Someone, uh, there was, there's this funny meme where someone realized that the auto website, the car dealership they were, they were on the chat was actually an AI.
So they injected a prompt, assuming it was chat GPT and it, the auto dealer customer service started answering mathematical questions for them.
Yeah.
Cause it was, cause it was AI.
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Nice.
Yeah.
So you were saying, what we were saying before Tim talked about chat GBT, we're talking about what steps someone should go if they're starting from zero, say.
Yeah, so David gave the basics.
Beyond that, I mean, you've got a go bag on steroids here.
You need to have go bags in your car.
A lot of people have them in their office as well to be able to get out to get to your safe location.
But the key thing is you don't want to be in a city, especially if it's a grid down thing.
Cities, you won't be able to make it.
You need to get out.
And the other thing you need to do is prepare, and that's why we did the Collapse Survivor app.
There's just a lot of training you can do.
You don't want to read books, make it onerous, so the Collapse Survivor app has all kinds of really good videos on there.
There's thousands of videos, most of them aren't that great.
We got a media section in the Collapse Survivor app that's some of the best, fun, interesting prepper training videos there.
You can play the weekly simulations we do if we want.
The Civil War one is running again next week.
We've got India, Pakistan, nuclear wars, you name it.
There's so many threats out there that could lead to a collapse.
And then the other thing is you need to have a group.
A lone wolf in the forest is not going to make it.
You guys have been making that point, you know, throughout the show.
If you're out in the forest thinking, oh, I'll just go out in the woods and hunt deer and build a cabin and survive, you know, you're just going to go out there and get killed if you do that.
So don't plan on just surviving in the woods.
You need to have a survival community if you really want to have a good chance of making it.
So let's talk about positivity versus preparedness.
So a lot of people just don't want to go there, and they just want to say, it's in God's hands, or, you know, I just want to stay positive, etc.
Drew brought up that roughly 30% of Americans may be doing some kind of prepping today.
This is not crazy to think about this.
You look at where we are with Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, Israel, you look at Ukraine, Russia, you look at the chance of Taiwan and China today, you look at the chance of election shenanigans between now and November, you look at, you know, the risk of H5N1, etc.
All these risks are out there.
So if you care about your life and you care about your loved ones, you know, spend a little bit of time on this and you're not crazy.
This is a smart thing to do.
The nuclear war threat's going up too.
We just did a preparedness item on the collapsed survivor on that.
Russia just announced, this is the first time they've ever done this, saying we're now going to do an exercise with battlefield tactical nuclear weapons.
And they're doing that because they feel threatened.
Because we're putting more and more long-range, highly capable conventional weapons that can hit Moscow and all over the place.
They've been threatening France, the UK, and the US.
That if you don't back off, we're willing to use nuclear weapons.
And they said it before, but they're getting more specific.
If you can bring up slide three, we just did a notice on that.
Because we give real threat alerts on the Collapse Survivor app as well.
We just put out an item on this.
NATO is really pushing Russia towards nuclear weapons use.
We keep giving them more and more capable weapons that they're using to go deeper and deeper into Russia, and Russia is telling us very openly, very blatantly, this is provocative, we will use nuclear weapons.
And the battlefield nuclear weapons are the best ones for them to use, because our first George Bush gave them up.
We sacrificed, eliminated all of the army, short-range, highly responsive, practical to use nuclear weapons for the battlefield.
Tactical nuclear weapons.
It was a politically correct move to make.
Scored all kinds of points.
Oh, it's a peace dividend.
We're gonna save money.
We're reducing the odds of nuclear war Do you think Russia or China eliminated their battle?
No, not only then they've increased and modernized them and they train on them We do not train.
I had an article accepted for publication on nuclear war fighting in Europe.
It was censored and I had it selected for Army Military Journal Review for publication and it was banned.
They wouldn't let me publish it because it was politically incorrect.
People believe that the only nuclear weapons that exist are ICBMs launching from silos or from submarines, and they don't realize that there's going to be nuclear artillery used on the Ukrainian battlefield if Russia is pressed.
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Yeah, and we have no nuclear artillery to fire back with nuclear weapons.
All we've got is F-16s and they can dial down to a low yield, but you've got to launch from there.
By the time you've launched, it's over on the battlefield and you just can't be that non-responsive.
A weapon that can take out an entire division or a regiment, you know, like a significant or a whole military base without taking taking out an entire city is extremely valuable in theater, right?
Like in Ukraine, that would be extremely useful.
And Russia said they'll use them.
And Ukraine doesn't have them, because we can't provide them to them, and we wouldn't provide it to them.
And they're threatening us openly, saying, if you don't back off, we're going to use nuclear weapons.
When Iran gets hit and retaliates, so Iran launches rockets, several of them hit Israel, hit a military, hit an Air Force base.
Israel retaliates, hits something in Iran.
Iran goes, we didn't get hit at all.
Nothing happened.
Because Iran knows that if they publicly announced that Israel retaliated and struck them, It's a declaration of full-scale war, and they need a mass mobilization, which they cannot win.
They know if the public thinks they were attacked, the public will demand mass mobilization, and then they lose, so the government lies about it.
I'm willing to bet there will be some kind of incident in Ukraine.
There's already been one CIA guy, and CNN reported this, he said Ukraine could lose by the end of this year.
Russia fires, Russia gets pressed, they decide they're going to use a low-yield tactical nuke, taking out a large portion of Ukrainian NATO forces, let's be honest.
And then NATO says, as Phil pointed out, you know, upon investigation, these are not nuclear weapons, these were conventional, and it was a rapid succession, so there is no need for worry.
But it will be a nuke.
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Yeah, some of these nuclear weapons, I mean, you can do an ADM, an atomic demolition munition, it's not much bigger than this.
You can carry it on a backpack.
We used to have them, they're gone from the U.S.
arsenal, but they're still there with both Russia and China.
So what's the most important thing a person could have right now in the event of social collapse?
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Um, the basic supplies David talked about with the weapons to protect him, and ideally a safer place to go, a bug-out area is the term we use in the prepper field.
Would that mean that a gun, though, is number one?
Nothing else matters if you don't have a weapon?
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Correct.
I mean, you're saying everything I love, but anyways, I'm trying to focus on that just because there's so like, as much as I agree 100%, it's just that there's plenty of gun dudes and there's plenty of dudes that know guns better than I do.
Get guns, you need guns, buy ammo, blah, blah, blah.
A great idea is to go to FEMA's website, and this is what the government says people should have, so this isn't like... They won't list weapons there.
Well, they won't, they won't, they won't.
True, but the reason I say this is because this isn't something for just weirdos, right?
This isn't for something that are just, you know, crazy dudes that are going to the army surplus stuff, you know, place every weekend.
This is for everybody.
It's FEMA's website gives you a great outline of the things that you should have as just a regular normal person with either you know a family or just taking care of yourself but they have a really really comprehensive list that gets you a great start and that's I think that's the thing that I want to drive home the most is get started.
Do something, do small things, but the more you do, the better things will end up for everyone if there's a problem, you know?
Yeah, something in recent articles, millennials are now getting big into prepping, and it's not the right that's into prepping, it's both sides.
Now, last year, at the end of the fall last year, the Washington Post, a fairly liberal newspaper, had an article entitled, The Preppers Were Right.
Yeah.
And, you know, so it's recognized now.
And then, as David pointed out, you know, the Obamas just funded a film on a collapse.
So, you know, it's recognized.
So when we talk about personal survival, I want to change the conversation just a bit.
And our movie has a movement.
Right now, we have an open border right now.
We have sleeper cells that have come over.
I know, Tim, you've talked about that in the past, as far as the Chinese You know, young males without families, similar backpacks, canteens, etc.
We are being set up for something big happening.
So I think we are right now, England, 1939, after they declared war against Germany, and before the bombing started in 1940.
We need to prepare our critical civilian infrastructure.
We need to get in the face of our mayors, our congressmen, our senators, and say, we need to protect our critical nodes of our substations.
We need to protect our municipal water systems.
We need to be ticked off as hell.
There is a movie, Network, In the 1970s, Howard Beale, the broadcaster, said, I'm mad as hell.
I'm not going to take it anymore.
We need to be outraged about the vulnerability of our critical civilian infrastructure and how it can go out.
So I'd like to enlist your viewers and listeners to get outraged.
Go to our website.
Get pissed off.
We need to tell our leaders that we need to prepare right now.
I'm really fascinated by Mount Weather, Site R, and Raven Rock, because I do believe it was like two years ago they had a massive expansion of it.
There was a big funding bill.
But what's wild to me is the idea That we know where they are, and we know that they exist, so how secure is it really?
And then obviously, where's the real location?
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Mount Weather is not far from here, where you are right now.
Yeah, very close.
It's on the West Virginia-Virginia border on the Virginia side, and it's a very, you know, big, huge FEMA facility.
That's where your congressman will go.
And we've got, we've had simulat- yeah, I get to have fun with these simulations.
I can promote causes.
But in some of them, the locals take over these places.
Because again, they're dependent on the FEMA workers.
So why is a FEMA worker in a really bad collapse going to want to leave their family behind to save a bunch of blanking congressmen and women?
So in some of our scenarios, the FEMA people and the locals get together, congressmen out, they take it over.
And I really think it's immoral for government officials.
And it's not just this.
The whole continuity of government idea.
Government's top priority in a collapse is protecting government.
So you've got police, you know, in a collapse you need a lot more police.
What happens?
There's less available.
Because the government will just go, continuity of government, I need a policeman guarding the city council chair.
I need more sheriffs with the state patrol.
And the ones that don't respond are staying home with their families to protect their families.
Yeah, so your police are going to be gone.
I'm not criticizing police, but they're going to be protecting their families, and they're now going to be protecting government as their top priority.
You're on your own.
Meanwhile, they keep continuity of government as their top priority, and they build huge survival facilities for the elected officials, and don't do crap for this.
Many of the people that are in the prisons are going to go find their families.
But many of these guys don't have families.
This is a base of operations with multiple layers of razor wire fortification.
They will use it as a military base.
There will be no power.
That's fine.
The doors are open.
They don't need to lock the doors.
They don't want the doors locked.
They want to be able to come and go as they please.
But the way prisons are designed, there's very few points of entry and exit and egress.
So that means a couple of guys can guard the whole building, and if you're the marauder leader, you can be entrenched inside and safe from external threats, while your guys have the weapons and resources of the police that have abandoned it, you can collect, and ain't no one's gonna be able to stop you.
You're gonna dispatch units to go and maraud the neighboring town, and then you're gonna go back and guard all the supplies you've stolen in your fortress.
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Well I hope that, you know, I have a lot of faith in our Army Guard, so I hope in a really bad collapse some of our Army Guard will keep together.
The Army Guard has limits.
Number one, if you look at the Army Guard, you know what the number one profession is for them?
They're law enforcement officers.
So if you draft the Army Guard, you've taken away more policemen.
But even so, I think a lot of the guard will survive, and so a big, organized, marauder group like that, they could take out the police.
I think that your average law enforcement or army guard are going to be concerned about where their family is.
That's true.
And you're going to find an establishment of local guard.
So, you take a look at what goes on in these big cities.
What they like to do is they like to bring outside police departments to enforce in communities where they don't live.
Because there's a conflict.
In Attila's gym during COVID in New Jersey, when they said, shut down or else COVID lockdown, and the gym said no, they sent in the police.
The police said, we're leaving.
Do your thing, guys.
So what did the city do?
Called in a neighboring police department.
Those cops with smiles on their faces were just like, we don't know you, we don't care about you, and we will kick you in the butt because we get paid to do it.
You're not my community.
So what happens when everything hits the fan?
Yeah, I don't see Army Guard, like, you know, your National Guard, State Guard, whatever it may be, and then you've got a commanding officer saying, everybody, we're gonna go and guard the mayor's house.
We're gonna go and protect cities.
No, my family is here and they're burning buildings down.
Dude's gonna grab a weapon and run to his family.
He's gonna go to his neighbors and say, we need to establish protection for our family neighbors.
That's it.
No one's gonna be like, okay, bye, honey.
You stay here with the kids while I go and team up with some guys to guard the mayor or the governor.
Not gonna happen.
With these prisons operating essentially marauder hubs, even if it's, let's say every prisoner goes, yay, we're free.
Someone's gonna be like, there's a massive complex, secured triple barricaded razor wire with some degree of resources left behind that we can use.
That's a fortification you don't wanna lose.
That's an instant problem to the neighboring communities.
You'll be under a boot.
And the National Guard's not going to come in and go, some guy's not going to be like, let me leave my family behind five miles away to go and fight some guys in a prison.
They're going to be like, nah, let's establish a community watch protection group for our neighbors and our kids.
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I hope the Air Guard is still in function because they could just plain bomb the prison.
Yeah, because, uh, what was it, in Katrina, people were trapped inside jails as flooding was happening?
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Yeah, you gotta be, you have to, it should be designed that way, just because there's a power outage or something.
You should know if you're, if there's a prison around you that's designed like that or not, because if the doors open automatically, that means the prison empties.
One of the first thing that happens is if everything goes bad, you're going to have some dude's brother, father, son, wife.
All it takes is one girlfriend.
The grid goes down, the doors are all locked.
The girlfriend screams like, you know, my baby's in there and she runs to the prison and Finds a way to get in and then figures out how to get the doors open for everyone.
Maybe the one guy that gets out is like, sorry guys, I'm out of here.
I doubt it.
But realistically, there's going to be some dude's dad.
Some guy in jail, he's 35.
He's got a, you know, 65 year old dad or a 63 year old dad.
His dad's like, I ain't leaving my boy in there.
And so he shows up and says, we're taking it over.
And they're going to start opening things up.
They're going to get these guys out.
And then the question is with, with The way government functions today, why would anyone leave their home in a crisis collapse situation for arbitrary enforcement?
You take a look at like Occupy Wall Street.
They send all these New York cops into Zuccotti Park, say we're going to get rid of this protest.
If we were dealing with mass rioting and a grid going down, why is a guy from Brooklyn gonna cross the river to go and fight people in Manhattan?
It makes literally no sense.
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So that's one of the most important topics that you've talked about, Tim, is how these cops are gonna stay home, protect their own family.
That is key principle number one.
The other thing to worry about is warlords.
What's going to happen is the biggest thugs, the guys with the least amount of ethics, that are the most cutthroat, they're going to take over.
And I think they're going to create gangs like you can't believe inside these prisons, and therefore life is going to be different than we ever thought.
I mean, you look at the way that the cartels control Mexico now, right?
That's another simulation we just got as cartels coming across the border into the U.S.
So, uh, in the event of a collapse, the scenario I like to imagine is you're walking down the street and you see a guy on the left and the guy on the right.
The guy on the left is, uh, he's got, or let's say there's three people.
One guy's got, you know, uh, or actually, better way to put it is, There's a guy selling sandwiches and food and water.
Or, I'm sorry, I'm totally screwing this up.
There's a guy with food.
You walk up and say, I'd like some of that food.
He says, what can you give me?
And you say, I've got gold.
He's going to respond with, that's ridiculously heavy.
I can't do anything with it.
Then the other guy says, I'll give you half of my water for half of your beef.
Oh boy, I'll tell you what, chickens are gonna be worth like a hundred bucks a pop.
You wanna talk about an investment today, if you think the world's gonna end, you buy chickens, cause then you are king.
Fresh eggs every day, not to mention they make more themselves.
People will steal your chickens.
The joke scenario I gave people is that you're gonna wake up in the middle of the night on your ranch, and you're gonna hear squawking and rustling, and you're gonna be like, oh, those coyotes!
And you're gonna run outside, and there's gonna be a dude with a flannel shirt and suspenders and a handlebar mustache going, I'm just so hungry!
And he ran from Manhattan or Brooklyn or whatever to your farm, and is trying to run away with one of your chickens.
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Yeah, we have a debate all the time, is chickens or rabbits best?
The answer is really both, because, you know, they eat different things, but chickens and rabbits are vital for survival at fortitude range.
The secret technique, I'm told, is if you're gonna eat rabbit, you have to crack their bones open and stew their bones cracked with the meat.
You're still not gonna get enough fat.
It's called rabbit starvation.
It was funny.
I think it was Maduro in Venezuela was like, start eating your pet rabbits.
And everyone was like, you'll die.
They don't have enough fat.
It's called rabbit starvation.
So eat the bone, the bone marrow, and you'll get more fat out of them.
But rabbits only go so far.
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If I get back to Phil's question, a recommendation, is actually to have a slide on that, and some of this is government as well as that, but, you know, we should have a government civil defense food program, should start back up.
The government should do that for a collapse, like we started to do in the Civil War that just, in the 60s, Eisenhower started it, Johnson, and they let it die out in the 60s.
Individuals need to have their own food, water, stockpile supplies.
The other thing is Jerusalem artichoke.
Just a fantastic survival food.
It's sometimes called sunchokes, but you plant that in your yard, it grows like a weed.
Doesn't look like a weed, it looks like a sunflower.
It was the big house, and now we're at Freedomestan, we call it.
The amount of food we have over on the Maryland side is ridiculous.
On this property we've got pear tree, we've got two different kinds of apple tree, you've got wine berries, littering, these are an invasive kind of raspberry, but they're everywhere.
We also have pawpaw trees.
There is no point in the season where there's not food blossoming.
There's cherries, grapes, 100,000 grapes.
It's wild.
I tell you, we have had people come, when they come on the show, back when we're at the castle, and I walk up and I say, like, you want an apple?
And they're like, can I eat it?
And I'm like, well, it's an apple.
And they're like, but do I just take it off the tree?
Like, do I have to do something to it?
And I'm like, you take it off the tree, you eat it!
It's food!
There, I would say like a decent amount of people did not think you could pluck a berry and eat it.
I'm like, we have wild blackberry.
I walk up and I'm like, the wine bears are everywhere.
And they're like, Don't you have to, like, do something?
I'm like, it's food.
This is where food comes from.
I've picked tomatoes, cherry tomatoes, fresh off the vine from our garden, and then just cut them in half and put them on my eggs.
I did nothing to them.
There's nothing you have.
It's food.
But people are so, like, the barrier from where We were to where we are today the barrier between how people source their food They go to the grocery store and they see it in a bag and they're like this has been prepared for me to eat They don't realize that you can walk up to a tree grab a pawpaw split it open and just eat it It's it's really crazy.
They also don't understand that You can eat animals.
You can just kill it and cook it and eat it.
They think there has to be a preparation.
Obviously not literally every person behaves this way, but I was, I would say I was actually surprised by the amount of people.
We get eggs.
I would go out and I would grab two eggs right from the butt of the chicken.
Not literally, but you know, you lift the chicken up and grab an egg, crack it open and fry it.
And people would be like, but don't you have to like do something?
They think there's some kind of chemical process or something to make your food edible.
These people are going to be struggling.
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Again, that's the app.
So your egg example, there's a question in the app, how do you handle eggs?
You do not soak eggs in water for days to clean them off.
If you do that, what happens is all the poop, which has the salmonella and the bad stuff, now gets drawn into the egg and you've just contaminated it.
So there's a lot of prepper skills in the food area, eggs in specific, that we also train on the Collapse Survivor app, because you're right, fast food people don't know it.
It used to be, you know, we were 98% farmers, now it's 1-2% farmers, and people just don't have basic survival skills, and they need to learn them, and that's why the Collapse Survivor app's there.
Yeah, the last thing in the world I want is to have a collapse happen and the only people left are the marauders, and worse, all the elected officials at Mount Weather and elsewhere.
We want to have middle-class people survive too, and that's how we got Fortitude Ranch.
You know, South Jersey is a peninsula with, like, two or three bridges.
So you are trapped there.
And you're gonna be, when we were in Jersey during the COVID stuff, we were like, we should probably move early.
We were planning to coming down, we were planning to move down here.
And I'm like, because if they do shut down the bridges, I don't wanna have to drive north up and around to get to the mainland.
So let's just go now, because there was a rumor, I think it actually was reported in Jersey that they were considering shutting down the bridges during the lockdowns.
In New York, they actually had checkpoints, like Connecticut set up checkpoints because so many people were fleeing the state, and Connecticut was like, we don't want sick people coming here.
So, New York's gonna be bonkers.
I don't know, maybe the bridges get shut down, maybe they don't.
But you have two million people on Manhattan Island?
There is no food production there.
There's maybe some food processing, but like you mentioned earlier, trucks are not gonna drive into that.
You're gonna have to swim across the Hudson Bay or whatever, the Hudson River, and try and make it to the other side, to the Jersey side.
Tunnels are gonna be backed up, cars aren't gonna make it through, and even if you do try to cross a bridge, that's a choke point for marauders, where they're gonna be like, we got another car pulling up, everyone get out, go back, your car's ours now.
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My manager lives on Long Island and I told him, I was like, you're doomed, right?
You're going to die if any of this stuff happens.
And if you really want to be prepared, you should know where a boat is and you shouldn't own a boat yourself.
You should know where a boat is because you're doomed and you're not going over any of those bridges at all.
So here's, here's, here's the, I think most important out of anything right now.
You can go to the store and buy a bunch of stuff and be lightly prepared for some disaster, right?
You know, you can say to yourself right now, I'm gonna buy some emergency food, I'm gonna store some water, I'm gonna buy a box of tools, some armor, a gas mask.
You will be better prepared than most.
And then you look down and you notice that you're 40 pounds overweight.
And it's going to take you months to get into the physical shape you need to actually escape marauders and fight.
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They were right in Zombieland.
Cardio.
That applies.
Like in that movie, Zombieland, it was like cardio.
You might look better because you've dropped weight.
But one of the most important things you can have would be right now, Having a get your get your heart rates per you know your BPM as low as you can How and it helped like I'm talking like athletic heart rate boosting your cardio Eating properly.
I recommend my fitness pal.
I got that my you know my trainer recommended it It's been fantastic tracking the macros you need every day But even if you were to buy the best guns in the world You were to buy the best machines in the world you have the best cars you have you let's say you built a killdozer You're like I am ready
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You want to leave early, and that's the whole reason we launched this Collapse Survivor app, is we had to notify Fort Hood Ranch members of threats, and so we had email and phone and text, and then we came up with the idea, have we got an app that can push through a notice to your phone that'll tell you that, you know, there's a solar flare?
Activity this weekend a 10% chance of grid down we can get that out into our app So the collapse survivor app gives you warnings long before the government will so you can get out in New York City earlier Early, and we've now got a fortitude ranch location in the Catskills So you can you could actually walk if you had to out of New York if you couldn't get your car out of there I just get to a fortitude range.
So we were, uh, we went down to the river a couple weeks ago to cook breakfast.
Like Sunday morning, we were like, we're going to sit by the river.
We're going to skip stones and we're going to cook food.
And it was, it had just rained it.
So we got the fire going.
It was not easy to get a fire going when everything's wet.
And if you can't get a fire going, you're in trouble.
Now, if you've got a bug out bag, I like fire steel.
You obviously, you've seen that stuff, right?
There's a bunch of different useful tools, magnifying glass, a bottle of water can be used to focus light.
Fire steel is cool.
I have a utility knife that's got, I think it's Swedish fire steel or something they call it.
What is it, like a strip of magnesium or something?
You scrape it, and it shoots sparks, and that gets something going quick.
But I recommend, in a safe environment, with proper training, of course, if you've never done it, to try and start a fire using nothing but what's on the ground.
Taking a stick, two sticks together, and rubbing them, and trying to get a fire going, and it'll take you a long time, and you'll probably give up.
Not to mention the humidity and all that stuff, so understanding that, but most importantly, I always say, I would download two or three different survival apps.
There's one app that I've had for 10 years that it's probably, I don't know, like 5,000 pages of basic survival.
Pictures of leaves you can and can't eat and things like that.
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Yeah, you were talking about berries.
Red berries in the wood, probably not a good idea.
Yep, because we also have these other, um, I forgot what they're called, but they're like little red ovals, and they say it tastes like pepper and kills you.
So one of the things that's important too is the amount of things you don't know you don't know will really amaze you.
I noticed one day, it's really funny, the tree line, the leaves on all the trees are even.
So if you are walking, if you're walking in like where the castle is in the Western Maryland area, there's all these different trees, but all of the leaves stop in the exact same place.
The deer eat everything they can reach, and so they shave the bottom of the trees.
I saw that and I started thinking, The deer just eat leaves.
That's what they do.
That's what they eat.
Like, what else are they eating?
And so I was like, well, if the deer can eat it, can't we?
I mean, we eat spinach leaves.
We eat lettuce leaves.
And sure enough, Basic Survival App talks about how to eat tree leaves.
And it gave you a step-by-step basic breakdown.
It said, what you do is, and do not take this advice from me.
You got to trust an expert, because I'm paraphrasing like a moron off something I read on the internet.
But they say you take the leaf off a tree, you rip it, and you rub it on your skin.
You wait five to 10 minutes, and if nothing happens, then you take a fresh leaf, rip it, rub it on the side of your lip.
Then you wait 10 minutes.
If nothing happens, then you take a new leaf, rip it, chew on it, spit it out, wait 10 minutes.
If nothing happens, you take a leaf, rip it, chew it up, swallow it, wait 40 minutes.
If nothing happens, congratulations, these leaves may be safe to eat.
Be very careful, they could have a certain concentration that could still kill you.
And so there's like these basic processes for discovering whether or not something is safe or not.
The ultimate challenge, I suppose, however, is, as the saying goes, I would like to thank all the humans who ate mushrooms and died before me so that I know which ones are safe for me to eat.
The reality is, the stuff we've learned today, when it comes to eating things that may or may not be poisonous, is largely due to people having died from doing it, and then we learned not to eat those things, wrote it down, and shared that knowledge, and there's just, you might be starving, And you see these delicious berries and you're thinking to yourself, they may kill me, but I'm about to die anyway.
And you don't know.
You don't know.
There's the into the wild guy that ate the wrong seeds or whatever.
The lore is that there were like horizontal stripes and vertical stripes or something like this, and he thought that it was safe to eat.
He ate it, it got him really sick, and it crippled him.
He was like vomiting and couldn't move, and that is what ultimately killed him.
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Yeah, I get back to, you don't want to try to survive in the wilderness in a collapse survival situation.
Even if you had the knowledge, just too many people out there, the deer, I mean the Forgery Ranch, we will be poaching every moving edible creature there is in the first few days.
In Texas, we're going after wild boar.
We can eat prickly pear cactus even in Texas.
So we're going to be wiping out, we have a Forgery Ranch in Texas.
The really big meal is probably going to be dog food, but the smaller wild pigs, yeah, we'll be eating those.
But anyway, lost my point.
So the point is you don't really want to do that.
The ideal thing is to have a bug out location or a survival community like Fortitude Ranch, and you need a lot of people.
I mean, you need 50 people.
We call that the minimum, because 50 people means I can keep 60 guards on duty all 24-7.
And I want six, because if I got two guards on duty at night and the rest of people are sleeping, that just means a marauder group of two people can kill us all.
They just shoot from a distance with walkie-talkies, time their shots, shoot someone in a side at 3 in the morning.
You know, I think I heard a gunshot.
They don't hear anything now, they go back to bed.
So your two guards are dead and they come in.
Look, thermal, night vision, and suppressors, you're doomed.
That stuff is on, that is extremely common nowadays.
Night vision is so incredibly, it's not cheap, that's not what I want to say.
But if you are the kind of dude that's like, I have a boat, if you can afford a boat, you can afford night vision.
If you can afford ATVs, You can afford night vision.
And you see how many people have like a trailer and two ATVs because that's their hobby.
You know, it's like, so like the idea that these things are out of reach of people, these things are all over the place nowadays.
Thermal are all over the place and now it is like, well, that's the other reason you want 50 people.
It's not just like in a six guards.
I mean, now I got 50 people sharing the cost.
You need radiation detectors, you know, 300 bucks.
And guess what?
Murphy's, I mean, we have three principles at Fortnite Ranch.
Number one, Respect Murphy's Law.
Number two, kiss, keep it simple, stupid.
And three is adapt.
I can't just have one radiation detector.
It's got to break.
So I've got to have two.
So now I've got $600 of expense.
So you get 50 people plus, you know, we have 100 plus people at our locations.
I think what's really gonna happen is gonna be a tiny, tiny percentage of people who listen to a show like this, it wakes them up, they get ready.
Not because the world ends, but natural disasters happen.
That's the funny thing.
You know, when I talk about the, when we do promos for like emergency food, I'm like, guys, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that tomorrow the world's ending and you need a cave to go live in.
I'm saying that floods happen.
The power goes out.
Tornadoes hit.
You know, there are a lot of tornadoes hitting Tornado Alley right now, and people are having their lives destroyed.
Those emergency resources come in real handy for a lot of people.
And that's the reality of it.
But there's going to be very few people who actually listen.
Unfortunately, there are some people who will listen but can't afford it, but what you can do is you can get in shape, that's for sure.
But I would say what's really going to break down, 99% of the breakdown is going to be urban liberals who begin drinking blood and eating each other, conservatives who adapt rapidly because they already are living in more sparsely populated areas, And so people who are more likely to live on farms, more likely to already chop wood, their survival rate is going to be, it's gonna go down a little bit.
Cities is gonna go all the way down.
Whatever it is we say here today, I don't think we change that in the macro.
I think one person might hear something like this and say, yeah, maybe I should download an app or get in shape.
Just why not?
It's a good thing to do.
And that one person may have their life dramatically improved and their family, In the event we get Civil War, World War III, solar flare, whatever it is, liberals in big cities start eating each other in three days.
Conservatives start picking berries and eating leaves and figuring out what's going on because they're more likely to be in rural areas.
That's just the breakdown.
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And your point about natural disasters is right on.
I mean, at Forge Ranch, Nevada, we have all kinds of California people joining because they're worried about the earthquakes and the forest fires and maybe the liberals in the big cities, too.
But we're getting a lot of people in Nevada who are leaving.
You're leaving out from California from natural disasters, too.
It's amazing Fort Ranch, Nevada We're in high mountain desert.
I think it has our worst water supplies.
It's our best.
We have five natural springs We have no water.
We have we are off the grid.
We don't need a pressure tank We just have lines coming from the springs up above us.
We have water pressure with no electricity That's the thing that I think is that most people in Southern California probably are unaware or well, haven't thought much of is how, how bad the water situation is there.
Like in Southern California, the, the, if there's a grid down situation, you have to get out of Southern California.
Cause there's just not enough water to, to support everybody without electric pumps and stuff like that.
And you're surrounded by, 500 miles of desert in every direction.
They have these really cool, really simple science projects kids do for air water capture, and you take a big sheet of plastic, maybe you don't want to use plastic, steel or something, and then as it comes down, you fold the bottom, You get as big as you can.
And then when condensation forms on it, it all slides down into a funnel and then starts filling up your reservoir.
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Solar stills, yeah.
There's a guy, Jonathan Hollerman, is a survival consultant and expert.
He was a survival escape resistance evasion trainer in the Air Force.
And, you know, solar stills are a basic thing you learn there like that to collect water.
But fortunately in Nevada, we don't have to do that because we've got five different springs feeding us water.
Depending on where you are, you're not going to have to think twice about it.
I mean, we have, if you've got water on your property, you just got to watch out for what's happening upstream because, you know, someone could take a dump in your water.
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Again, that's why wood stoves are so critical.
You've got to be able to boil your water and yet governments are outlawing wood stoves across the US.
Again, it's like a conspiracy to kill people by making it so hard to prepare and making it illegal to prepare, to make preparations.
Yeah, so what this website has is two bottles that are connected and you put them at an angle so when The water in the lower side heats up and evaporates and moves to the higher side.
It separates the distilled water from the junk.
Look how simple it is, huh?
The crazy thing is, by simply looking at this picture, the average person goes, I never thought of that, now I get it.
And just having seen it for that one second could save their lives.
Isn't that wild?
That's truly crazy.
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So the rule three is that human beings will die without water for three days.
And therefore with municipal water systems going out, if you don't have a swimming pool, you don't have a bunch of extra water, you could die.
And therefore that's why it's so important.
Let's talk just for another second about solar flare.
I mean, we're talking about this level 4, you know, warning from NOAA today.
You know, Lloyd's of London, we talked about this in our movie.
They did a study and they talked about the danger of a geomagnetic disturbance.
You know, this is essentially a natural EMP.
There is huge risk this weekend.
And again, there has not been a level 4 solar storm warning in the last 19 years.
Because he does radio communications, experimentation, and contracting for the government.
You walk inside this thing, and your phone just goes... As soon as you walk in, your phone stops working.
It's amazing.
And I asked him, I was like...
So if there's a solar flare, is this thing gonna protect your stuff?
And he's just like, oh no, of course not.
And I was like, really?
It's a Faraday cage.
And he's like, yeah, but it's, you need like two more Faraday cages inside the Faraday cage because it's not a force field.
It will absorb and dissipate a lot.
Some of it will still get through.
And so I'm like, okay, so put a microwave in your Faraday cage, put your phone in the microwave.
And he was like, yeah, I mean, that might protect it, but you know, what are you gonna do with the phone when the grid's down?
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The big thing is just disconnect your radios.
I mean, we rely on ham radio in a collapse, but I've been into so many ham radio operators, and they may have four radios in there.
Every single one of them is connected to the antenna all the time.
If you have an antenna, it's toast.
It's over with.
And ham radio operators are not good about keeping the radio disconnected and ideally take one of your radios and it's in a metal garbage can down in the basement, but they don't do that, unfortunately.
Maybe the shadow campaign of 2024 is a giant solar flare knocks out the grid and then all communications are shut down for eight months.
We have no idea what's going on.
We wake up one day and turn the news on and they're like, President Kamala Harris is instructed.
And you're like, wait, what?
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That's what happened in our civil war scenario.
Not that exactly, but it was Biden-Trump.
Biden won narrowly, and you'd love this, so there's all this fighting going on, so they do a unity call and they bring all together the congressmen and senators in the rotunda of the Capitol, a call for unity, bipartisan call for unity.
And again, this is a simulation, this isn't real.
So a female congresswoman during this thing throws a report at Biden, a brief fistfight breaks out amongst some congressmen, and Biden collapses with all the strife.
And then a couple weeks later, you know, it's now December, Biden dies and Harris is sworn in and Texas is out.
Texas does its succession and tons of states are breaking up.
California, Oregon, Nevada, Colorado, where you've got the Democrats control the big cities and they're pushing big government on the rural counties.
And the counties say, F this, we're out of here.
We're no longer going to obey your state laws.
And they're already doing that.
You know, most counties in the U.S.
have said, we're not going to obey gun laws that we think are constitutional.
And they just say, we're out of here.
We're no longer going to be part of your state.
If there's a law we don't like, we're not going to obey it.
And we've got our militia now because we've been through a collapse.
We don't need you, state, if you're going to do stuff like that.
I think the crazy thing for people to think about is you go back a hundred years, maybe a hundred and fifty years, because, you know, radio changed a whole lot.
You didn't know who the president was.
You didn't know.
The election happens, and you're like, well, we cast our vote, maybe we'll find out, you know, in June what happened.
Because depending on how far you go back, they did the inauguration in March.
In DC, they count the electoral votes, they swear in the president, and then maybe a month or two from then you might figure it out.
Maybe you're sitting at home.
There was, um, I think it was a movie called News of the World or something, I think Tom Hanks, I can't remember who's in it, but it's a guy in the, uh, it's during Reconstruction, he has a bunch of newspapers, and he travels to towns reading the newspapers to them so they can learn about what's going on in other places.
What a service.
He's like, come gather tonight at the church and I will read the newspaper to you.
And they're like, oh wow.
And they all come and they, you know, pay a little bit and sit down.
And he reads the paper and they're like, wow.
And then he folds it up and goes.
And that news is already two weeks old, traveling from New York or whatever.
So if the grid goes down and communications drop, yeah, the election might happen in November.
Radio's not working, limited communications technology.
There's ham, of course, and some people are talking about some stuff.
People are really unsure, and you're just like, guess I'll just keep on doing what I'm doing.
January comes around, TV turns back on, and they're talking about President Harris enacting a new bill that bans guns.
Yeah, it's kind of crazy to think, but when was that inflection point where leaving New York became the smart thing to do?
The prospect of war?
The prospect of civil war?
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Well, I mean, isn't that kind of what suburbs were intended for in the first place, right?
Get people out of the urban centers where you were producing the industrial, where the industrial capacity was centered and get them spread out because a nuclear bomb, the thought was a nuclear bomb could take out not only the industrial- That's more of the car driving suburbs, the fact that you had cars now and so you didn't have to live in the big city.
You could have a yard and a nicer place.
You used to have gardens.
That's what we need back again, is gardens.
People that garden, people that can can their own food and stuff like that.
Those kind of things are Basically, they're almost completely lost.
Well, we're getting close to that time, I suppose.
Is there anything you want to wrap up with or shout out as we start to wind down?
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Again, the Collapse Survivor app will give you real threat warnings hours of days before government tells you something like a solar flare is coming that could save your life.
And then a lot of great videos, preparedness education, and the simulations are really fun.
We did one with an asteroid recently, an asteroid strike.
And this will be the last thing I say as we wrap up.
So there was something in World of Warcraft called the Corrupted Blood Plague Incident.
I assume you guys are familiar with World of Warcraft, popular online video game.
So they released a dungeon, it's been 20 years, but I think the dungeon was called Zolfarok, was the name of this dungeon where you go in and there's shamans and they curse you.
And the big bad guy was a giant snake.
And the programmers gave the snake the ability to infect you with a disease called Corrupted Blood.
And if you had this disease, you would walk up to someone, and if you were close to them, they would get the disease too.
It's called a debuff.
The intention of this was to make the boss battle difficult, so that your guys are all slowly dying, and your healers are trying to cure the disease as fast as they can as they're contracting it.
When they designed this, if you left the dungeon, you would be cured of the disease instantly.
They made a mistake.
They did not make it so that pets, your character could have a demon or an animal with you, they could contract the disease too.
So what happens is, this dungeon gets released for the first time, the higher level players go to fight the boss, contract the disease while they fight him, and then once they're done, they teleport themselves to a major city.
Instantly, everyone in the city starts contracting the corrupted blood.
It starts spreading around, and people are dying so quickly that no one can actually heal anyone fast enough.
Lower-level players are just dying instantly from the disease.
They said that when this happened, all of the major cities of the game where the players congregate to buy and trade had become ridden with all the dead bodies of all the characters.
The way the game works, when you die, you get resurrected after 10 seconds, 30 seconds, a minute.
But you couldn't go in the city without catching the disease and dying.
Researchers said that it imitated real-world pandemics so well, they wanted to collect the data to see how people behaved.
Some people intentionally infected others, thinking it was funny.
Players who had healing characters were desperately trying to cure as many people as possible as they were dying, but they couldn't cure fast enough.
And so, there's two different factions in the game, the Horde and the Alliance, and all of their major cities were just riddled with a plague.
And then, the programmers were like, we have to do a reset and fix this, and they got rid of it and things are back to normal.
But it was one of the coolest things that ever happened in a video game, if you ask me.
So I had this idea for a game...
Which I think would be massively popular.
It would be, and it could be built on the Grand Theft Auto engine, that'd probably be the easiest way to do it.
The idea for the game is, Monday through, maybe we say Monday through Saturday, you play a character in a Grand Theft Auto-style city, you can do jobs, make money, buy gear, sell gear, build up your character's profile, and then Sunday night, a disaster happens, and you never know what the disaster will be.
So it's an online game, On Tuesday, you're running around, you're cutting trees down, you're getting wood, you're selling it to vendors, you're buying weapons, you're buying food, and then Sunday night, the game, like, you get a notification for those that are signed up, and it'll be like, the event is incoming.
You log into the game, and then at 7pm, something happens.
Tsunami hits.
So now it's like, how did you prepare?
What did you do?
Are you someone who bought a boat?
Are you someone who secured a base on the top of a building?
Or are you someone who went underground?
If you're underground, you drown.
You die instantly.
And then the purpose is from like 7 to, you know, midnight or wherever.
The point of, or maybe like 10, is throughout the week you're playing this game to build up your character with the apocalyptic scenario happening at the end of the week, and then we just break down how everybody survived what they did.
So let's say the programmers will pre-make 13 seasons, like one season of 13 scenarios.
Sunday at 7, the scenario is foreign invasion.
And so, all of a sudden, at seven, the city you're in, alarms go off, then you start getting, your character is like, you're reading the cell phone being like, communist Chinese soldiers have just docked boats on the shores and are moving in.
How will people survive?
How will they react to that?
You can have the power going out, you could have a tsunami, that one's easy, an asteroid impact, an alien invasion, zombie apocalypse, so you could easily come up with all these scenarios that were akin to like the blood plague incident to see how this massive player base would react to this disaster in efforts to survive.
And then once it's over, the stats get published saying, here's how many people survived, here's how many players became marauders, here are how many players hid for the whole night and did nothing, and then we would just break down the data.
That was my idea for a game a while ago, and I had a few investors that were interested, but we never really pursued it.
But, like the survivor video game, I think that'd be really fun.
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The Collapse Survives is a lot like that.
I mean, it's six days, starts Monday, you don't know what it's going to be.
And we do poll data, if you could bring up 24, we did poll data on Civil War, because you know, Civil War is not going to be like an 1865 Civil War.
It's going to be something different.
And we asked that in our, we'd asked a poll question in our app, what if, you know, if the election violence escalates, It's a bad outcome from the other side and Texas succeeds, counties and states start breaking up.
What would it be like?
And we pulled at the beginning of the simulation, then we pulled at the end to see if anyone changed their mind.
But the bottom, the largest answer was, we think players, the majority thought some states like Texas will succeed from the Union and there will be a split up, but it's not going to be a big fighting civil war.
It's just going to be, yeah, there's violence on a local level, there's insurgency, but the country breaks apart fairly peacefully.
I believe that if we are to see a national divorce and there's a breakup, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, there's going to be a fight over the water sources, and Southern California heavily relies on the Colorado River, which can easily be cut upstream by any one of these states, so we're going to say, we don't care what you think.
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Controlling the waters coming out of that area.
It's something you've got to deal with, but it can be dealt with peacefully.
I don't think you're going to see armies clashing, or at least most of our players.
There were people who thought just that.
19% of many states may succeed from the Union or split up, and there would be fighting between them and the United States.
No, I'd just like to say I'd love to recruit Grid Warriors.
You have great viewers, listeners, Tim.
So, go to our website.
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