The Culture War #49 - Adult Content Sites Target Kids, Exposing Porn Industry Corruption
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Tim Pool
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Eric Cochran | soundinvestigations.com
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One of the issues we talk about quite a bit on a variety of shows on the internet on Tim cast IRL and the morning show is the ubiquity of Adult content online and how children have immediate access to it and a debate that we've had before is you know in the real world in meat space as we call it and If a kid were to wander down the street, they might see a pizza place, they might see a bookstore, they might see a music venue, and they might see, I don't know, a gentleman's club or an adult bookstore.
The windows are blocked out.
18 up only, it says on the door.
And if that kid walks the door and knocks on it, they're going to say, kid, you can't come in here.
Are you nuts?
And if a kid tried sneaking in, they'd say, ID, please.
And sometimes kids do sneak in to adult bookstores or they have fake IDs.
But for the most part, we create barriers to prevent minors from getting access to certain materials.
For the same reason, you know, we don't allow people to smoke at a certain age or get tattoos.
But now because of the Internet, it's got actually, it's just at the window.
Now you have people actually arguing that there's nothing we can do about it anyway so just let them have it.
I think that's particularly insane.
There are many more libertarian individuals who argue we can't require identification for these sites because then you're going to have the government and companies saying everyone has to have an ID to go online.
I don't know that the answer, though, is just let children wander the streets, figuratively, of the internet and get access to the most extreme and psychotic adult content imaginable, which could include, even outside of adult content, videos of murder, rape, beheadings, just horrifying things.
And so I think there's questions that we need to ask about this.
So we're gonna have a conversation about this and more.
More so, what these industries are knowingly doing to make money and how they don't actually care.
So we're being joined by a couple individuals who actually investigated this.
Yeah, so I think, total, we recorded around a dozen Pornhub employees, or its parent company, it's called ALO, and we got them admitting to all sorts of illicit, illegal, and scandalous practices, really.
lack of age and consent verification all the way across the board not reporting to law enforcement when they see underage videos being uploaded purposefully advertising to pedophiles and young teens and what else also purposefully Marketing gay, trans, and bi content to historically straight viewers, which, of course, they track a viewer's life path.
So, you know, back in 2020, we were both working at Project Veritas at the time.
And an article came out in the New York Times called The Children of Pornhub.
It's by Nicholas Kristof.
He did a big article, a big op-ed interviewing victims of sexual abuse who had their abuse monetized by criminals on Pornhub.
And this article was one of the first big blows to the internet porn distributors.
The owner of Pornhub is, it used to be called MindGeek, now it's called A-Lo.
It owns basically all the big porn sites you can think of and all the big porn studios in North America.
And this article was a huge blow.
It caused Pornhub to have to delete 80% of their videos.
They had to remove downloads, free downloads from their website.
And I was like, nobody's really done undercover journalism against the porn industry when they're clearly doing these illegal things and just nobody, nobody's bothered to do it.
So I kind of ruminated on that idea.
And then early last year I called Arden and said, Hey, I have this idea.
I'll put up the money.
Let's go do this.
And, um, and then in a few months, like these guys, they're based in Canada.
So I don't think they knew who James O'Keefe for project Veritas was, uh, They didn't see it coming.
They weren't like on guard, you know, like Google employees might be, uh, to, to think of undercover journalists.
And, uh, and they just opened right up, you know, they started spitting out it.
One guy said, yeah, I wouldn't be able to defend this in court.
Rapists, human traffickers are using our website to make money.
People were uploading movies and TV shows that anyone could watch.
So, new movie came out, you wanted to watch a bootleg, you'd search for it, Mega Upload would pop up, and you'd get a link and you'd watch it.
The law enforcement, I'll keep it very light, raided his home in New Zealand.
He's never set foot in this country.
He's not an American, did not run an American company.
And the United States went after him in New Zealand because of piracy.
And here's the worst part.
What Kim says is, when they would contact him and say like, hey, this is infringement, you gotta take it down.
He'd say, you got it, send us the link, we'll remove it all.
But so many people were using it, it was an avalanche.
They decided just to destroy his life and target him.
So, knowing that story, having gone down there and interviewed him, and let's assume the worst case scenario with Kim Dotcom.
He was gleefully supporting copyright infringement.
Well, they got him, boys.
But you mean to tell me with Pornhub, they've got Underage victims trafficking victims and the US government's like oh geez all know our hands are tied.
I don't buy it right yeah, and that's a really good point because Pornhub has you know a lot of people say they take copyright and Infringement more seriously than actual abuse because there's this fingerprint technology that they can apply to the videos on Pornhub.
Any, you know, major tech website has it where if you upload a 30 second clip of the Lion King, like, it's just not gonna happen.
It won't be allowed.
Um, and so there's this technology being applied to videos of, like, major popular porn stars, um, so that their stuff doesn't get pirated.
But when it comes to victims and underage victims, they're very, very, very slow to apply that kind of technology.
And the key is that they knowingly do this and they profit off it because, for example, there was a Senate hearing this week grilling like Mark Zuckerberg and and, you know, TikTok and Snapchat about things that could potentially be problems and children using their TikTok and Snapchat about things that could potentially be problems and
And, you know, people have different opinions on that, but certainly they're not trying to make money off of exploiting children and copyright infringement, etc., etc.
But that was the key was in these undercover investigations the employees admit it's not just a hypothetical problem.
It's not just that human traffickers could use our website.
It's that they know they do.
They know that rapists do it.
They admit that they do it and they don't care because it makes a lot of money.
One guy told Arden on the undercover tape He was so concerned about it that he and another employee went to the chief legal officer and the chief product officer and told them like this is an issue like these guys are making a lot of money and they told him to shut the F up.
Wow.
Because it makes too much money and we don't want to hear about it.
I mean, the fact that you guys captured as much as you did, I mean, these people are basically bragging or not even, I mean, maybe they're, they're venting.
Yeah, you know, we definitely, yeah, like you said, like a lot of people are like, why did they just get the brunt of it?
Because they're the biggest.
But we, you know, Sound Investigations, we're a new venture.
We want to do more.
We want to investigate more without saying too much.
We have plans to go after more of these criminal organizations and figure out, you know, what they're doing criminally, how they're affecting the culture, that kind of thing.
I mean, it was just that egregious that, yeah, like it's not like a political issue that people, even people in the porn industry have said like there have to be regulations.
Because like you said, in the 70s, you know, kids can't just walk into sex shops.
They can't just go rent pornos.
We're talking about just completely unfiltered websites.
Now we have, in the past few months, more and more states are passing ID laws to require IDs to access websites, similar to how you have to show an ID to go into a sex shop or to buy alcohol online.
But actually, two of the guys that we recorded are getting subpoenaed in a big civil action lawsuit.
Yeah, it's a child sex trafficking case out of Alabama where a bunch of victims of child sex trafficking that was monetized on Pornhub are suing the company.
I'm just so sick of all of this, you know, because we've been talking about the, you know, the big news recently has been like border stuff.
And I keep hearing excuses for the people facilitating all of that kind of trafficking.
And of course, there's an overlap.
I mean, some of the people that are being brought across the border in the United States are sex trafficking victims.
But it's just a lot of people want to make excuses because someone's wearing a badge.
You know, these CBP guys, well, you know, they're working with the cartels, they're bringing them in, they're putting them on buses for the smugglers, but they were told to do it.
And I'm like, not interested, man.
So the bigger picture, the reason I bring this up is, you've got these big companies.
Yeah, there is a criminal investigation of the Eastern District of New York where Pornhub admitted to profiting off of sex trafficking, but they just got a slap on the wrist.
Basically, they got put on like a three-year probationary period where if any new sex trafficking material is found on the site, then the criminal charges become permanent.
Yeah, and these ID laws that are passing across the US, they're really, really actually impacting Pornhub in a negative way.
Pornhub decided to comply with the ID laws in Louisiana, and they reported after that an 80% decrease in traffic to the site out of Louisiana.
Compliance with age verification actually decreases traffic by 80%, which is why they just decided to completely block access to everyone with more passing logs.
I'm not an expert in all the legalese, but it does require that if your site hosts more than two-thirds of the content that your site hosts is pornographic, Then you need to require somebody's ID through a third-party vendor.
Well, I think the idea is to prevent, like, Twitter and social media.
I definitely understand the idea, because it's like, again, what do we get into, like, the one-offs, like, where, yeah, somebody could have uploaded, you know, porn to the site, but the site isn't really for porn.
I think it's to prevent, like, social media from getting caught up in that.
It's where everybody's talking, everybody's hanging out, and you can choose different neighborhoods, little pockets where people are talking and retweeting and stuff like this.
Kids can walk around downtown, okay?
We all agree with that.
They can go to the butcher shop, whatever.
And there's an adult bookstore, but the windows are blocked out.
Nobody can see inside.
Nobody!
It doesn't matter how old you are.
You gotta knock on the door, they'll open it up, and they'll say, ID please.
Yeah, if you're on any social media platform, so that you know people have debated this like If you require an ID for Twitter, then politics has damaged people who want to speak anonymously.
Whistleblowers, for instance.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, you can walk downtown and you don't need an ID.
You don't got to say who you are.
It's your right to privacy, even in a public space.
They can see your face and all that.
But if you want to go into a porn shop or you want to buy cigarettes or booze, now we're going to need an ID from you.
So here's how I look at it.
Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, whatever.
If somebody posts porn, Yeah.
I agree.
for anyone to see, I don't see a difference between that and walking around downtown, holding a big poster of porn.
You're gonna get, it's a, it's a sanity laws. - I agree. - You get arrested.
They come and they take it down and say, we're gonna arrest you.
I mean, honestly, the cops may come down, destroy the sign and say, don't do that again.
That's probably what happened in a lot of circumstances.
There was this story someone sent me.
Actually, it was one of our staff in our internal communications platform where a guy was naked in his own home, walking around.
He was a trucker.
There's a shared apartment.
It was empty.
He was by himself.
So he gets up to start packing and he's naked and a woman saw him through the window and called the cops.
The cops come and knock on the door and he's like, what?
And they're like, seems normal to us.
Nothing seems out of the ordinary.
Another one claimed she saw him standing in the doorway.
He made eye contact with her and like moaned or something, which I really don't believe.
And he ended up getting convicted of a misdemeanor for being naked in his own house.
He appealed it, risking going to jail and then ended up winning.
It's like, bro, I'm in my own house.
Don't look through my windows.
Like that's crazy.
But anyway, I digress.
It's funny to me that this guy has got criminally charged in the U.S.
and these kinds of people outright saying they know what they're doing get away with it.
Back to the main point, I think that if somebody is in public putting up flyers with adult graphic content, we wouldn't tolerate it.
We should not tolerate it on Axe or Instagram or any other platform.
And so, you know, now we've got like more and more laws about digital space.
But, you know, in reality, they could enforce the existing laws.
The other thing is that they need to enforce laws for age verification for the people being uploaded because of so many victims.
This is the original thing, back to the really egregious stuff that the New York Times talked about and these employees talked about in the undercover investigations.
Is complete unverification of sex trafficking victims, rape victims.
Again, back to the 70s in pornos, you have to have age verification and consent verification forms for adult film stars.
But now, Pornhub, you can upload content of anything.
Those videos were, like, she turns 18 within minutes.
She's got all these videos up and they're like, no way she filmed all that in a few minutes.
Those are videos of an underage girl.
And she can just say, no, I filmed them when I was 18 or whatever.
I don't think so.
I mean, there's questions there on how you handle that legally and morally, but I guarantee if they went onto her computer, they would see, you know, date created and they would see that she was underage when she filmed these videos and then uploaded herself underage.
I kinda think we probably gotta go to a full-scale regulatory model of the porn industry.
Meaning, you gotta get a permit from the government before you can upload pornographic content.
I think that's basically how it existed 50 years ago, and really how it existed before the mass tube sites existed.
Going back to the 90s, you know, I think that that's really, you did, you have to have, it's called section 2257 of the Child Protection Act.
And you have to have forms that show this model is here.
We have their IDs on record.
Here's their signed consent forms.
You have to have all that.
If you're if you're like a studio, you have to have that.
But if you are just some some guys, you know, some group uploading some fly by the night studio uploading to a tube site like Pornhub, then they don't ask for any of that.
Yeah, their website says you have to be at least 18 years old to create an account to access the platform as a fan or a creator.
And so I can respect that, right?
You can't even sign up unless you have that in.
But I also think there's probably something just...
Look, it's bad, the ubiquity of porn, and where we're at as a society.
I don't think it's healthy.
Libertarian argument is, you know, let people do what they want to do, but I think it's causing severe depression, it's causing psychological issues in young people, and the challenge then becomes, do we decide to cross a moral line and say, we get it, you like it, These people are adults, but we've- we crossed the Rubicon on how this is screwing people's brains up substantially, and I don't know, what do you guys think about that, having- having seen what you've seen?
Well, I don't think we- like, I don't even have to speak about what I think, because one of the guys in the undercover tapes who works at Pornhub and worked- For 11 years.
Like every day you're slinging crack, the crack head walks up to you and they're all messed up and you're like, I ain't touching that stuff, but you can have it.
I feel like, uh, you know, mostly men, but women too.
They, they get excited, right?
You know, humans want to procreate.
And that what happens is, You make it snap of a finger easy to satisfy that urge through the internet, and you get a fork in the road.
Go to the bar, try and meet some women or men, or go online and look at pictures.
I suppose for women, a lot of them, it was by Fifty Shades of Grey or whatever, but they'll satisfy that in some other way, which does just enough in, you know, their dopamine or whatever, whichever receptor is related to that, that they just abandon, you know, pursuing Relationships.
It's kind of crazy if you think about it, if you go back before the era of porn, in any capacity, if a man and a woman were feeling randy or whatever, you better go negotiate with another person.
Like, guy's gotta go to a woman and be like, I need to convince you to get me some.
Yeah, and one of the things about the Texas age verification law is that it also states that any pornography website has to include a disclaimer about the social and health implications of porn before proceeding.
Yeah, they and and fortunately there was an injunction against it, but Paxton has been fighting it and the the junction has the injunction has been lifted while the investment.
Yes.
Yeah, Texas Yeah, so he's doing a great job of pushing that law Oh, okay, okay.
Yeah, unfortunately some court sided with... There's a group called the Free Speech Coalition, which is really just like Pornhub's legal arm.
And they never fight for free speech for anybody else except for pornography companies.
And so they've been fighting all these in courts.
The only place they've succeeded is in a court in Texas.
So they had an injunction against the law, but Ken Paxton has been appealing the injunction and has gotten a lift on the injunction for now while the appeal is still going on.
But when it comes to censorship, I'll say this outright to her.
And I'm like, yeah, absolutely, I want these books censored.
Is that a joke?
Like, adult graphic content being put in schools for kids not interested?
Censor that in two seconds.
I got no problem saying that, and nobody should.
But they play this trick, like, I thought you were for free speech.
It's like, yeah, yeah, when it comes to political ideology, not showing kids porn, you creep.
That's where we're at though.
I wonder what the next generation ends up looking like when not only is it ubiquitous, but what you guys uncover as employees, they know how bad it is and with smiles on their faces are like, I'm gonna keep doing it.
Yeah, and we're seeing more and more reports coming out.
I think there was one out of the UK recently, where a growing number of sexual crimes against children are actually committed by other children, and it calls into question, like, what has online pornography done to this young generation?
I was exposed to pornography, unfortunately, by another child at a very young age, and I never forgot it.
Luckily, I didn't get addicted or anything like that, but it bothered me for a very long time.
It's not something you forget.
I can't imagine how many kids nowadays are being exposed to things like that. - It's crazy because if you really think before the internet, it's the trope in movies of the kid being like, "Yo, I stole my dad's nudie collection." Let's go down by the river and read it or whatever.
It's like, I don't know, I guess it's what kids did or maybe the movies claimed.
But even before magazines or whatever, this concept did not exist.
And seemingly overnight, every child growing up that's online has, in schools, there's nothing they can do, like, in the immediate to block it.
I don't think a functioning society can tolerate the ubiquity of, I'm not just talking about porn.
Like, these videos go nuts!
You know, I think the older generation, when they hear porn, they imagine, like, something from the 70s where a guy's like, hey babe, I'm the pizza delivery man, and she's like, why don't you come in and I'll pay you, haha.
Dude, the videos that are online now are the wildest, craziest things you can imagine.
Earmuffs for your kids, cause I'm, I'm just gonna come out and I'll be light with it.
We all know, I'll leave Cenk Uygur out of this one, but there are videos of like animals, like kids get access to the weirdest things.
I don't even want to mention, but I think Let's just say, we'll stop at animals.
Videos of people and animals.
Kids can find that stuff.
It's messing them up.
And I think, like I was saying, a lot of these adults, when they're talking about, when you talk about porn, they're imagining like a Playboy, like a Hustler, like a nudie magazine or whatever.
It's like, dude, you have no idea.
Videos of just like...
Seven people with weird objects swinging from ceiling fans and a dog comes in and it's just this stuff is insane And these kids are watching it and I'm like Man, their brains are gonna be completely fried Yeah.
You know, I can understand that where it's like one component of what you guys found was he's saying we want to introduce queer content to start shifting the perspectives.
And so I would just put it like.
If you're a guy, and your whole life you've been watching, like, women, and then one day someone says, here's a guy, and you go, I like that, well, you're bi.
Or you're gay.
And so, it's a question of, yes, we can acknowledge they are trying to manipulate people, and convert them, or whatever, but I'm kinda just like, I think those people were just gay.
And so there's like funny memes where you'll see what looks like breasts, and then the camera zooms out, and it's a fat guy's ass with like a bra on it.
And they're making the point of like, in your mind, you see what looks like cleavage, a guy's imagining a woman and big boobs, and then it zooms out like, you were actually getting off on like a fat guy, and they're like, ah, like, it's messed up.
But I can understand if you keep feeding content to these people and you inch them incrementally towards shifting their view, that's, I guess, the argument they're making.
I kind of feel like, though, if you're a- I'm sorry, if you're a straight guy, And they show you what looks like a woman and you're like, yeah, what a hot chick and then it pans down and you go, yeah, I'm okay with that.
Well, you're gay.
There's nothing I don't got any beef with that.
But I think that means you are to some degree like bisexual or gay.
And by all means, that's fine.
If you are I don't do whatever you want to do.
I don't guess like within within, you know, don't hurt anybody.
But I think that just means they were gay dudes to begin with.
He said, uh... Well, he's talking about, like, they need... You know, he says, like, we're... It's all about the money.
Like, we need to push more and more content on people because, again, they bought... You know, he says, like, I think it's browsers is for straight guys.
I think there may be, like, some serious scientific data in here, which could massively backfire on leftist ideology.
If this is true, I'm not a scientist.
I'm not going to pretend I know exactly what happens to these guys.
But if he's saying, in their pursuit of selling more content, they have found that you can introduce homosexual content to what are perceivably straight men, and they slowly start buying it.
If they have the data on that, that proves conversion therapy is a real thing.
Yeah, it's not even only like gay, trans, bi content.
It's also the incest, the step-family category that's becoming increasingly popular, that one of the employees told me he was really concerned about it having real-world effects, making people, viewers, actually act out these fantasies.
Or try to with family and it causing actual world issues, not to mention the teen category is, you know, one of the most popular categories.
And now they claim, oh, this is 18 and 19 year olds, but we have very young looking people in school outfits and things like that with teachers and It's very obvious what they're trying to push.
Dylan admitted that they purposefully will cast actors who appear to be around 15 in order to appeal to pedophiles, which they can easily turn into whales or big spenders, and it also appeals to young teens.
All illegal, you can't do it anymore, I don't know, just, everything we're hearing is just so nightmarish.
But like, the liberty-minded part of me is like, just regulate it and stop the dark stuff.
I just don't know if you can.
Like, what's the solution if, if it's available, even if you're 18, even if you do ID verification, The idea that they're peddling this addictive substance, as it were, and they're making you more and, like... It starts with vanilla, and then every day you're using it, they're sending you something, and they're making you go crazy, essentially.
I mean, I guess I view it as, like, prostitution's always been around.
Oldest profession.
And then, you know, we enter the modern era of, like, videotapes, and it's still, like, and we have, you know, we have red light districts, or we have, you know, we have studios, we have laws that require age verification, consent forms, You know, this stuff is regulated.
And then we hit the aughts era.
We hit the 21st century.
And then mass tube sites happen where user generated content, it just becomes a free for all.
And all of a sudden, like nobody's willing to regulate those industries, either because they don't know how or because these companies suddenly made a lot of money.
The good news is the creation of porn with actors and studios and all that stuff is on the way out.
And I believe will likely cease to exist within a few years.
To be replaced by AI.
For real.
Like, OnlyFans, ya done.
There's already, like I covered one of these stories, the video they can generate with AI, there's like, she talks to you.
There's a woman, and there's videos of her at the beach, and she's like shaking her hips, and she's smiling and winking, and she's like, hey guys, what's up?
And it's totally AI generated, and they're making like 30 grand a month off of this.
So, for what purpose would someone need to pay a woman when they can just sign up for a website where they can type in, this is what I want, and AI generate someone to do this for them?
Where that goes is crazier, because we're separating.
You know, these people you've exposed who are like, we know what's going on, we know what we're doing and why we're doing it, and we don't care, we make money.
They're out of the equation now.
A website will just be like, you're allowed to generate AI content so long as it's legal, and then all of a sudden you're going to get an individual, they're going to go onto the website and they're going to type in, make this for me.
They are going to pursue in random crazy directions.
It's not going to be that some guy working at Pornhub is like, let's see what happens if we send this straight guy like gay content.
It's going to be a dude just going wherever.
I think it's gonna get absolutely insane.
Everyone's gonna have a weird, personalized, hyper-porn experience, if this is not regulated in some way, and we already see where this is going with, like, the Taylor Swift stuff on X, where they just... Dude, these videos they posted of Taylor Swift, that's crazy.
And it calls into question, because there are more reports of AI child sexual abuse material being generated in, you know, a variety of different ways, but then the argument is, well, that it's not a real child being abused, so...
But so, in that capacity, there have been people who made these arguments.
They're like, oh yeah, this woman in this video, like you were mentioning, they try to make them look young.
Oh, she's 20 years old though, so it's totally fine, even though she looks 15 and she's wearing a schoolgirl uniform.
The questions around legality and morality, this is super, super difficult.
Do you make illegal any kind of porn that depicts situations of minors regardless of the actor or the person involved?
In which case, if someone creates AI-generated content, and the female or male in it appear to be underage, but there are adults who look like they're underage too, like, how do you regulate that?
Unless we just say, the circumstances around it... I don't know.
So, there's a new act being introduced called the Protect Act, and it clearly defines, you know, expansive ways that people can be sexually exploited online, including through AI pornography.
And I think something like that could more clearly define in the law, since the law is so far behind technology, The U.S.
Yeah, we even have celebrities like Billie Eilish talking about how messed up pornography made her feel and made her brain.
She was talking about how she just wanted to watch the more next extreme thing.
She said it was really disturbing.
She didn't like where it was bringing her, so she just had to stop.
And I personally was really surprised that Billie Eilish talked about that, and I wasn't expecting a celebrity to come out against the adult industry because it's the cool thing to side with the adult industry, right?
Yeah, especially with OnlyFans, you've got a lot of these... This is the crazy thing about the porn industry is, man, there are people online Yeah.
that are so into it, if you even say something like, hey, this is bad, you shouldn't do it, they will try their best to mock and ridicule you into being scared to speak out against it.
You know, Jordan Peterson comes out and he's like, port is bad, don't do it, clean your room.
And everybody's like, you know, he's got a point here.
And then instantly you get these people being like, ha, I'm a really cool young guy and you're stupid.
And I'm like, I don't care what you think.
Like this stuff's clearly destroying people's brains.
Like, melting their faces.
But I was, I mean, that's kind of crazy actually that Billie Eilish was one to speak on.
I think the gap is kind of closing because I think someone, I don't know how trustworthy of a survey it was, but they reported like 25% of females now regularly use pornography.
I bet that the people at these porn websites can see... I'd be willing to bet that men are consistent viewers of pornography, and women, as individuals, you'll have spikes throughout the month.
Yeah, if you put, like, all men and all women up against each other, you'd probably see a straight line.
But if you look at individuals, guys are probably, like, consistently watching on these days, and women, it's like, in bigger waves, men are shorter waves, or whatever.
But I feel like the future, as we go in this direction, if we don't do something about it now, I...
I think, like, just the AI, VR, deepfake stuff will result in the end of human breeding in the normal way.
You know, we see these sci-fi movies where they do, like, surrogacy, they do, like, pod babies, and there will be, like, this idea of having a baby the old-fashioned way.
Where the guy's like, uh, it's not necessarily like everyone's genetically engineered, but he's, he's not.
So he's inferior.
And then he has to like lie about identity or whatever.
The reason, the way, the reason we'll get to that world is not because women want to be girl bosses and they're like, I have no time to carry a baby.
I'm the CEO of a company.
It's going to be because men and women will not be sexually attracted to each other.
Like, they're gonna plug their brains into their Neuralink, and there's gonna be, like, a dragon, a polar bear, you know, robots, and they're gonna be like, this is the only thing that works for me.
And then, when they're in the real world, like, let's have kids, they're gonna be like, okay, I'll go into my pod, you into yours, and then we will, you know, robo-inseminate or whatever the F. Like, people were talking about how they sell insemination kits online and stuff, because people, They're not doing it anymore.
Women still want to get pregnant.
And so, but what is it?
Like, it's the weirdest thing to me when someone posted this in like one of our super chats, that women can go to like Target and buy applicators where the dude puts his, you know, she gets some stuff from the dude and then she takes and then she goes and then she does it the rest.
And I'm just like, I mean, there's an easier way to do it, but they don't want to, I guess.
Or it's like some weird things happening where there's no relationship forming.
And I wonder if outside of just like, we're talking about porn addiction and all that, regular familial relationships will be eradicated by this.
I wonder if this is the apocalypse because they say, I'm half kidding, but they say, you know, the world revolves around sex.
There are comedians and not even comedians, people have said that like every action a man will take is related to trying to have sex or something like this, which I don't think is true.
But the argument is, like, why would a man want to be successful?
And if you look at the evolutionary psychology of it, the reason why a guy wants to be the best hunter, or in modern era, why he wants to be the best name in pro billiards or whatever, is the status, the success, and it leads to you getting what you want, and behind every action is the...
You know, if you're a successful, powerful male who can peacock successfully for the female, you will get the mate.
And so what happens to a world where nobody wants it, or they can computer generate it?
Just end up, like, sitting on your couch all day eating Cheetos and having this beautiful woman tell you everything you want to hear, but it's fake, it's a robot?
It does seem like there's a political component, too, though.
So I'll ask you guys if, you know, in this regard, you mentioned one of the big components of the story that we should dive more into is the guy saying we're, you know, like queerifying or whatever, disrupting the norms.
Did you find a political element with some of these employees, like it's activism to change society?
I do think it's one of those things where their bias is just natural and it does reflect in their work.
I don't think you're going to be hired at a company like Pornhub If you don't at least know how to express pro-adult industry viewpoints.
And it tends to be more progressive people, I guess, but you get a mix of people from different political backgrounds, but it's just people okay with internet.
I think there's probably a lot of, like, libertarian types and progressives and... Anybody who claims to be a conservative, like, you go to a porn industry and they're like, well, I'm actually a conservative.
But yeah, I mean, the industry, the adult entertainment industry as a whole is predatory and a lot of people don't realize, like, the owner of Pornhub is a former defense attorney of child sex predators.
He defended Yes.
Child pornographers, child sex predators, child sexual abusers.
And he even, you know, spoke at this big attorneys conference coaching other defense attorneys of child sex predators how to get shorter sentences for their clients.
I mean, this was his life.
This was how he was known.
He was looked at as one of the top defense attorneys for this type of subject matter.
I think a large part was I just saw nobody else going after it.
Like, we had these skills that we learned from James and other friends at Project Veritas, and nobody had ever gone... I had talked to other people who were kind of in the anti-exploitation arena, And everybody was like, yeah, nobody's really gone undercover talking to Pornhub employees before.
We look up who works for the company and we try to get as many names as possible, details about their role, what they do there, and we really just use all publicly available information we can find on each person to find creative ways to make contact with them.
But this was like his side hustle that he's doing with a friend.
And and so Arden was like, all right, I'll be a phlebotomist and like, messages him or something says that she's a nurse and she's doing some contract work and she's in town.
She really likes the app.
And and then yeah, I got a couple meetings out of that, you know, Pretending to be a phlebotomist, which he's never been in real life.
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So hold on like, I was just hoping for some research on phlebotomy.
I mean, but this guy's not gonna know anything about it either.
Yeah, and you and and you know, if you're good, you can always just he'll be like so when you've done insert technique, you'll be like, oh, we don't even do that anymore.
That was crazy, because I made an account on a dating app, was swiping in Montreal, where their headquarters are, and one of the first profiles I came across was of Mike Farley, who's the 11 year employee, was the number 7th guy to ever be hired.
Are you scared that one day you'll come into this moment where it's like, you know, you're doing the sting operation, he's giving you information, and then, you know, he discovers it, and you're like, outside in the rain, and he's like, I trusted you, I loved you, and you're like, I'm sorry!
Like, is there a risk of you actually falling for somebody?
There are stories in law enforcement This is an old story.
I don't know the details on it, but there was like a guy who I think he was like FBI or something and he infiltrated eco-terrorists and he ended up, because they're allowed to sleep with their targets.
Absolutely.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
On the job, they're allowed to have sex with the people they're investigating.
What?
And he ended up falling in love with her and then refused to testify against her.
And they're like, this is your job, you're going in there.
Like, if you're going undercover and you're going into a gang, like, the trope in the movies is they'll be like, alright, prove you're not a cop, do the drug, and then they'll be like, I'll do the drug, and they do, and then afterwards they're like sneezing and spitting, like, I can't believe I had to do the drug, and it's like, no, if you don't, they're gonna know you're a cop, like, you're not doing this unless you're in or whatever.
They might smoke too much weed or whatever, but we're not... Like, if the woman genuinely is not blowing up train tracks, like, then there's, like, what's the real problem?
In this instance, I suppose, you're meeting a guy who's bragging about, you know, facilitating child trafficking.
It's like, I'm pretty sure we're not gonna be into that.
Yeah, you know, I know James has been looking for more.
I mean, we're still using the stuff that we've used at Project Veritas for- Oh, yeah, we've still looked- We're still looking, you know- We're still using the stuff that we've used at Project Veritas- Can I Google that?
James O'Keefe just did this undercover video of an employee of the Executive Office of the White House.
And I think it's actually a massive scoop.
I mean, this guy says Michelle Obama does not want to run.
They've actually had discussions about replacing Kamala Harris.
They acknowledge Joe Biden's in serious mental decline, though not clinically diagnosed.
But a lot of people are questioning the ethics of, James O'Keefe went on a date with a guy who's not committing any crimes, and this guy is just explaining what's going on behind the scenes.
I think that knowledge, that in the White House office, top employees know Biden is unfit, Kamala Harris is unpopular, can't win, these things are important for the American people to know, but it doesn't rise the level of criminal activity.
It's just, Someone should have told us for political reasons, and now people are questioning the ethics of... I'll say this.
I feel bad for this guy.
He's on a date with James.
But, like, you're a cybersecurity expert sitting in front of James O'Keefe.
Yeah, and you know, with these, with undercover things in general, I think so long as the intention of the journalist is to expose the corruption that's going on and not to humiliate the person that they're investigating, I don't think that should ever be the intent.
- Yeah, yeah, Clark Kent. - I wonder if this guy just didn't know who James was though.
Like he may have heard of Veritas.
But James also brings up a really good point.
And this is why I'm not gonna, I have no sympathy for this guy who fell for this or whatever.
If you're working cybersecurity and you don't have an assessment of security and information threats or anything like that, to the extent that you would sit down with The most, the preeminent investigative journalist in this country.
You know, like in the DNC, they have posters, they have trainings showing James's face, showing everybody that James has ever met with at any point, anybody who was ever friends with anybody at Project Veritas.
And there were people who were like, because this is years, it's like 10 years ago or something, eight years ago.
And there are people like, James, why are you secretly recording Tim?
He's cool.
And I'm like, I don't care.
Like, bro, you could turn the camera on and film literally everything I say.
I say everything three or four hours a day that I'm thinking.
I don't know, film me, whatever.
The only concern I have for someone coming in here and secretly recording is if there's someone's health and safety and privacy, like someone got cancer.
They're like, well, dude, come on.
That's none of our business.
It's not public right to know.
But when it comes to these guys at Pornhub, when it comes to Planned Parenthood or whatever, and the DNC, and they're like, we can't let anyone find out what's really going on, I'm like, If you come to me and you say, I am concerned that you may leak some private information about a person which is not public right to know, I can respect being concerned about that privacy-wise, but if a political organization is saying, don't let them film you, it's because they know that their internal workings, they're doing bad things.
Trade secrets, I get.
If this was like, we're a technology company, be wary of people who want to steal and spy on us.
That's not James O'Keefe.
Like, my response to you guys or James O'Keefe is, if you were filming me secretly, I'd be like, oh, I hope you get a million hits on it, because it'll be just... If you show a video to all your people, like, aha, we caught Tim talking about the gold standard, I'd be like, oh, okay, you know, alright.
Yeah, or like he wants he wants regulation on porn or something and libertarians are male bag.
Well, okay, you know I do say that and and there was a time like in the late 1800s early 1900s when undercover journalism was More commonly accepted as legitimate journalism now and it went out of trend Nellie Bly Nellie Bly Famously, she went to that mental institution
Mm-hmm and pretended to be insane and and documented their abuse of the patients there and it was a huge story and we had other popular undercover journalists all over the world and then you know the journalistic award ceremonies stopped awarding undercover journalists Awards, so people really stopped doing it because they knew they wouldn't be rewarded for it.
And I'm sure James has told you this story, but what was the grocery store chain?
Lion something.
Food Lion.
Yeah, Food Lion.
There was a CBS station that investigated them undercover, and then Food Lion sued them, and then Food Lion ended up winning, but only like $1 or something.
But it's just the lawsuits, lawfare, Just ended up scaring away lots of mainstream journalists from ever doing actual investigative or undercover journalism.
So when these journalists try to expose the inner workings of anti-immigration activists, I should say anti-illegal immigration activists, they're celebrated because They oppose the regime, they oppose the establishment.
And if you're, say, Sound Investigations, or formerly Project Red House, or Omkeef Media Group, you are actively against the corruption of the machine, and they don't want that exposed.
So you're bad.
And it is remarkable the cognitive dissonance that exists among the people willing to support this.
I think the challenge many people need to come to terms with is, If there is a human being who can look at two specific, like, identical circumstances, but one is good for them and one is bad for them, and so they argue, like, okay, we've got corruption in two instances, but this corruption benefits me, therefore it's good, that's what we are dealing with on a large scale.
Like, I wouldn't, have you guys gotten any attacks in the media over this stuff?
I mean, they're all sponsored by the adult industry.
We have like adult video network writing hit pieces and stuff like that.
But we've gotten several legal threats from Pornhub's attorneys and it's really funny because, you know, they're mad heated letters where it's like, You lied about your identity and contacted one of our employees and met with him under false pretenses and recorded him without his consent.
And we're just like, yeah, that's undercover journalism.
I know, and they're demanding we take down our videos that we recorded, and all these types of threats, and all the while saying that they're huge supporters of free speech, but only when it comes to the adult industry.
When it's us, they don't care about our free speech.
Yeah, we saw this as an opportunity to get real results.
The best stories we ever did at Project Veritas were the stories that got real results.
One of my favorite stories was this one in Texas where our field ops manager got this lady to expose this entire voter fraud ring, and the lady ended up going to jail.
Those are our best stories.
The ones that get real results, get companies that are doing wrong, to get sued, to go to people, you know, the people to go to jail.
And so I was like, this has a real, this has so much impact.
But I'd be willing to bet that if you met with anybody, and, like, I work with a water reclamation plant in the city, and you'll be like, oh yeah, how's that go?
He'd be like, well, you know, sometimes you don't actually clean the water at all, you're drinking feces.
You know, at Project Veritas, that was when part of our interview process was when we're bringing a new undercover journalist, was go out and get a local story.
Go wear a camera, go talk, go to the mall, go to a restaurant and get a story.
And the best journalists would.
They would be like, yeah, there's this guy who's been peeing in the fountain at the mall every day.
The story that I got was an employee at a restaurant at the mall and he said the manager is always making the employees hide the fact that they have a mice infestation.
So when that health inspector comes, the manager's like, everyone shut up.
We should have had like a separate branch of like Project Veritas Local or something.
Because yeah, like you said, you could, people can do this locally in their own communities and like, and the great thing about local news is that sometimes it's easier depending on where you live to get like lawmakers to change things versus like federal regulators, all that.
You might be able to contact like your council member about your undercover investigation and get some change.
I mean, imagine if you did that, and then you hand that off to a local news outlet, like, hey, check out... The problem is the local news outlet might be like, they're an advertiser, sorry, have a nice day.
And, and part of the reason why I am doing public interviews is just because we're such a small team and, and we were like, well, who's going to do the public interviews?
- That's the crazy thing that nobody walked up to him like James, I'm a big fan.
- Yeah, you would think so. - But you'd be surprised. - James and I were hanging out not long ago and people come up to us like, whoa, it's James O'Keefe, Tim Pool, like we're big fans.
Yeah, I mean, we have a good Canadian lawyer because these operations took place in Canada.
So we wanted to cross all the T's, dot all the I's.
Canada, fortunately, is very friendly to undercover journalism, maybe surprisingly.
Across the board, it's one party consent.
Whole country!
Yeah, all of Canada.
So, you know, we were clear that we wanted, you know, make sure there's no accidental defamation, anything like that, any, you know, small things.
So we have really good counsel in Canada.
But yeah, like you said, you know, it's not it's not cheap, but it's a lot cheaper than making some mistake and then ruining an entire operation, you know.
But there's certain things I wonder, like, if you were to hang up a sign that maybe looked kind of tongue-in-cheek that was like, smile, you're on camera, would that eliminate their, you know, like... Yeah, Illinois has some untested things.
It's 1978, the Sun-Times and the Better Government Association.
They broke the story of a 25-part series documenting the abuses and crimes committed at the tavern, which was shaken down repeatedly by state and local officials.
It was initially nominated for the Pulitzer Prize for general reporting, but the board decided not to award it, award the Sun-BGA collaboration, after editor Ben Bradley of the Washington Post led an attack on the grounds the reporters used undercover reporting, a form of deception to report the story.
And then like, obviously with Veritas kind of just imploding, I'm wondering like, there's two of you now at least, like James O'Keefe is still doing his work, O'Keefe Media Group.
I wanted to ask about, like, potential subject matter you're interested in, but I don't know if that would just compromise your ability to- No, go ahead and ask.
Well, like, what kind of subjects are you guys looking to go after next?
I mean, obviously you mentioned exploitation, there's still so much more there.
Yeah, he said that he was a trans woman who was pregnant or something.
Yeah.
And they just went along with it, so it's...
You know, it's undercover journalism, and the point he made was that if a man takes a pregnancy test and it comes up positive, he likely has cancer, or it's an indication of cancer.
And they were like, we're not going anywhere near this because, you know, the gender ideology issue is so touchy.
But I'm wondering...
Has there been any, am I missing this, like undercover reporting into these clinics that are giving kids hormones and drugs?
You know, we had on Timcast IRL, we had a detransitioner who said that she went into a planned paranoid and within minutes they said, here's the maximum dosage of testosterone you can have.
So I'm wondering if Is there anything big on that?
I mean, back at Project Veritas, there was some good reporting about these clinics.
I think it was called the Too Young Investigation.
They had their name for it.
But it was these clinics providing hormones and offering surgeries for underage patients without parent consent.
And not only that, but I think there was...
Gosh, there was a lot of like really egregious admissions.
There was even one doctor who was like, yeah, you know, we give, we okay these surgeries and these treatments for 14 year olds and maybe it's only like an immediate satisfaction kind of thing for them and they'll regret it later, but at least they're happy in the moment.
This letter comes out accusing James of these ridiculous stories, like stealing a pregnant woman's sandwich, and I'm just like, I'm sorry, I can't believe.
I mean, the reality of it is Project Veritas was one of the most consequential news organizations of our generation and possibly in this country ever.
I'm not trying to say it is the biggest.
I mean, the work that Veritas did was massive, especially the Amy Roback video where she's like, Epstein, we got him, Clinton, all that stuff.
And Veritas drops that, that's massive.
And then it gets destroyed.
And for what reason?
I mean, I actually think it's beneficial.
The fact that James is now still doing his work, just put out a massive video with political insider knowledge, I don't see whatever the effort was as being tremendously successful, but it's kind of crazy that Veritas was destroyed in the way it was, and the question is like, how does this happen?
The thing is a lot of people want to take out James, you know, like I think the federal government has been after him.
I mean, he and he and I were raided by the FBI.
You know about that back in 2021.
in 2021.
And, and I think the idea is in some way they need to remove him, put him out of the picture.
And I think this might be part of it, I think.
I think they're kind of waiting to see if he's down for the count.
But the thing is, James is a leader and a builder, so he's always going to keep on, like, they're gonna have to literally put him in prison to stop him from building a new organization.
So I guess I have a question about the expansion of all this undercover journalism, because there's been criticisms of me in the past, because I would go livestream.
I'd go on the ground to these various protests, and I would have my phone in my hand, plainly visible for everybody to see, streaming 24-7.
And the argument was, it was good that we got a window into all these things that are happening, but As more people adopt this practice, privacy starts to get eroded.
And so there is a fear.
I mean, do we want to live in a world where everything we say is going to be secretly recorded by someone?
I think it's like you said, I think people, there are things that the public has a right to know.
Like people don't, the job of a journalist is not to embarrass somebody by exposing personal secrets or trade secrets or health information or just things that are personal.
So, for me, doing Tim Casserole, for instance, you get these leftists that will make a video about a tweet I made.
And their justification is, oh, but he's got millions of followers, we absolutely have to address this issue.
And I'm like, okay, I get that.
And so at what point is it everyone starts secretly recording, and then do we find ourselves in this hypervigilant state always where we're scared someone's gonna publish something?
It may not be in my...
I get to go to the doctor and the doctor's like, oh, you've got a kidney stone or whatever.
And it's like, okay, I'd prefer it if people didn't know that.
I honestly don't care.
I'm literally saying it.
But like, let's say there's somebody who's like, I'd prefer no one knew that.
Someone else might be like, it's really important that this guy who runs this big show, people know that he's sick or something.
And they decide it's newsworthy.
And then someone else agrees.
And more to the point, it's not a question of them being right or wrong.
It's a question of The expansion of this technology.
Do we create the Panopticon ourselves, which we are like sort of already doing, you know, like once, once everybody had a phone camera, right?
But I love that argument because it's like, OK, please explain the scenario where this person would be making these admissions or these statements.
He's saying full sentences where he's like talking about Pornhub specifically, talking about trafficking, rape, sexual abuse specifically, and there's like no universe in where I could have taken this out of context.
So the way it works is they have a photo on, I think it was like an iPad, and they zoom in.
There is no such thing as zoom in.
It is not real.
The way digital zoom works on these apps when you zoom in is that an algorithm creates pixels that it thinks are there.
So when they zoom in and say, see, look, here's what the image shows, you're like, no, no, no, no.
That zoomed image is manipulated.
You need to actually show the static image in its standard form and then ask people if they can see it.
So we're already in this period where it could go one of two ways.
Someone could secretly record another person.
CGI audio of them, and then what are you gonna do?
It was nuts.
I mean, I could not believe it as I'm watching this trial.
These guys are trying to use computer generated images to convict Rittenhouse, and the judge is like, I'll allow it.
And I'm like, that's crazy.
And he put it on the defense to prove otherwise.
So this means someone could go to court and say, here's a recording of, you know, of you guys that we got, and here's you saying all these things you did that are illegal, and then you go, that's not a real recording, and they'll say, prove it.
That's what happens.
You guys bring in your expert, they bring in their expert, your expert says, see this all here?
That proves it's fake.
Then their expert says, no, that's actually a totally normal thing.
It's funny, because I was asked by Joe Rogan about that.
This was like a couple of years ago, last time I was on his show.
And he's like, are you worried about deepfakes?
I was like, no.
I'm like, context is gonna prove these things.
Like someone makes a fake video, people are gonna be like, I don't believe that.
They're gonna be more resilient to it.
And now, based on what we've seen, now I'm terrified.
Because it's not just about the fact that someone could make something fake.
You know, one thing I've pointed out, the scariest thing is going to be when someone will record you guys.
And it'll be a real conversation.
And you'll say something like, obviously we would never do anything illegal, we have great lawyers, and we're working really, really hard to make sure everything is done properly.
And then all they have to do is get rid of ill.
Or add ill, sorry.
And so you go, obviously we're doing things that are illegal, but we have great lawyers, so we're doing it right.
And then what they'll do is, you'll get sued or whatever.
They'll say, you know, did you have this conversation with this person?
Say yes.
Did you talk about these issues?
Yes.
Did you say that you have good lawyers?
Yes.
Okay, play the tape.
And then they add two letters to a word you said.
And so in the video, you're not going to notice.
You can't track mouth movements that perfectly.
And then what do you do?
Remember, like, here's you admitting you commit crimes.
And it's just going to be good luck convincing people.
It's kind of crazy, though, if you think about it, though, if you go back before any of this forensic evidence and video, what were juries like back then?
A guy's like, he did it.
I saw him do it.
No, he didn't.
I didn't see him do it.
It's like, who do you believe?
Good luck, man.
A lot of people probably went to jail that were innocent.
But outside of that, too, I think that the issue of AI is going to be the personal universe.
People are going to choose to just go into these universes.
They're gonna make whatever titillating content they can make, they're gonna lock themselves away.
And I think what's gonna happen is, you know, going back, like, way back to the earlier conversation, literally about what you guys exposed, you have...
No willpower to regulate what is clearly criminal.
No law enforcement willpower to arrest people who are clearly committing crimes.
And they just stand there.
And I mean, you go five miles over the speed limit, you get pulled over and the cop yells at you.
You are an employee at a massive child trafficking organization.
And they say, well, you know, I don't have to do here.
So as we move forward with all this technology, I I can appreciate the investigative journalism.
I can see that there are people upset about it, but it looks like there's going to be a massive split where most people are just like, nope, they're just in for it.
They're going to let it happen and everything's kind of going to break down, I guess.
I mean, you know, Pornhub, their leadership even acknowledged that we are, you know, the pro-regulation side of the argument.
We are currently winning with all of these laws passing, the age verification laws, with them having, being forced to change their upload policies throughout, you know, various public scandals that they've been accused of.
Um, so I really do think positive things are happening.
More and more people are realizing how harmful pornography is on so many levels.
I get DMs all the time from people saying, I was an addict or I'm still addicted, but I'm trying to quit.
Thank you so much.
Um, so I, I really do believe good things are happening and we'll just, our job is to just keep exposing and doing it and that's all we can do.
And there was this big push online where they were like, if you allow this, they're gonna censor free speech.
And I feel like, you know, now in hindsight, looking at all this stuff, I'm not gonna comment directly on those laws, because it's been too long and they're specific, but I definitely feel like when it comes to this stuff, there is a manipulative, oh no, our rights!
You better not ban pornography and child trafficking, and I'm kind of like, at this point, you should.
Yeah, for Pornhub specifically, but really they can't correctly use that argument because they're a porn giant that does everything from write, to shoot, to produce, to distribute porn.
They do everything.
And even Dylan said, he's a senior script writer there, he says, we even write some of the amateur stuff that you see being uploaded.
We work with these people and we actually write it for them.
So a lot of it is manipulated by this huge parent company itself.
Yes, and there's a big, I don't know the case number offhand, but there's a big class action federal lawsuit in California where they tried to do it and failed there.
A bunch of victims sued the parent company because Pornhub had this content partner that they worked with called Girls Do Porn, and they were one of the top performing content partners on the site, made millions of dollars.
But essentially how they procured these girls in these videos is through coercion, through sometimes force, through trafficking.
You could see in some of these videos that the doors to the rooms that they're in were barricaded.
The girls couldn't get out.
Many of these girls were contacted while underage and groomed so that they would show up to this location to film a video on their 18th birthday.
So there was a lot of really horrible, illegal stuff going on.
Many of the videos were violent.
You see blood in some of them.
And so a bunch of these women sued the parent company.
For those that aren't familiar, just to briefly address it, Section 230 of the Telecommunications Decency Act provides broad immunity to websites over the content posted by other people.
And so it was supposed to be, it gets started because there's like a website, they publish an article, and I think it was the Wolf of Wall Street.
They wrote something about him and someone commented something false.
And so, I could be wrong, but they got sued for defamation and they were like, we did not write that.
That was a comment from somebody else.
And so this law gets passed saying, okay, okay, you can't be held responsible for what other people put on your site.
But now it's turned into The companies have broad immunity when they censor political ideas they don't like.
They can basically violate their own terms, the spirit of their terms.
They can allow graphic content and just say, don't look at me, I didn't do it.
But that's why it's fascinating to hear that in some of these cases, it failed on them.
But before elaborating specifically on like, you know, for those who don't know the background, I'm curious if you guys have seen anything in your work that is a connection in any way to what they're pushing on kids into the porn industry.
I mean arguably some of the admissions we had a couple different employees expressing just like their personal opinions, but we thought it was still significant that they had positive views about 12 year olds watching trans porn in order to find themselves and explore their sexualities and one person even remarked that a kid could find their kink on men.com which is also one of their sites and
If you've got people who work there, who are saying that they want to keep sending more and more extreme content to guys, and eventually a guy who's straight, who's watching straight porn, they can send trans or gay content to, and they start shifting in that direction, That's them outright admitting they convert and groom people.
So when they then talk about kids and they're doing the same thing, that is an admission that they know when they get these books in these schools, they are grooming kids to adopt patterns of behavior or, you know, proclivities or whatever.
And I feel like the pipeline ends up in whether someone's doing porn or not, they're going to be in that world.
Maybe on some level, I think the incentives just line up right now where there's still a lot of money to be made on the internet that's so like, you know, and like, what are people interested in?
Yeah, but like I was saying earlier, It will, the production of porn is over in the physical sense.
Seriously.
Like, there was a year ago, I noticed on Instagram, this is why I absolutely despise Instagram.
Look, when I'm on Instagram, you know what I watch?
I watch action sports.
Insert season, right?
It's winter now and I'm getting tons of snowboarding and skiing.
And so I'm just watching, I was watching Shaun White do like a backflip.
I'm like, that's cool.
Like, wow.
him and like his friends are just cruising and doing flips and i watch poker videos and uh that's basically it it's like but they jam like these kind of like quote-unquote instant models in my fetal time i don't look at them I'm like, dude, I got a girlfriend, not interested in this.
I'm like, I don't want to get my feet inundated with a bunch of women showing off their asses or whatever.
I just want to watch some guy win a poker hand.
Oh, he's got seven deuce and he bluffed them.
Ha ha, how fun.
Oh, this guy's doing a backflip.
I've had a good time.
They keep showing this stuff because I think the reality is the algorithm shows.
People click it no matter what. - Yeah. - And so it doesn't matter who you are, what you do, here's something for you.
And we think this is, so it's probably the highest click through content.
This is why on YouTube in the early days, all the thumbnails were women in bikinis and stuff like this.
But I noticed this a year ago, these photos were fake women.
And it was obviously AI women.
And so, you know, I go to the Explore tab and I, you know, video of a guy, he's Rollerblade and he does a double backflip.
And I'm like, wow, scroll down.
And then you'll see in the grid, there's a woman.
And I'm like, that's CGI.
That is an AI generated image.
That's crazy.
Now you can't tell at all, like only a little bit.
And we're hearing stories about them making like 30 grand a month.
This is the big story that some guys So you don't got to worry about your daughters.
They can't do porn anymore.
That's done.
But the brains of, of like young people in society are going to be like in what, 20 years, the next generation, there's going to be a woman and she's going to go to like, she's gonna meet a guy and she's gonna be like, I have no physical attraction to you whatsoever because I'm into aliens and you know, stone golems and just weird insert crazy stuff that doesn't exist.
And the guy's gonna say, I agree.
I also have no interest in you.
I'm into dolphins and whales.
And it's like, You wanna have a family?
Okay, buy the insemination kit, because there's no way they're gonna be able to procreate.
Maybe that's the plan, I guess.
I don't know.
But at any rate, as we're getting close to wrapping up, is there anything you guys wanna mention or shout out before we close out?
I think it's really cool that, you know, basically we used to have this great industry of undercover journalism and it was considered to be something good historically.
Then the story of the Mirage Tavern in Chicago surprised me back in the 70s.
They were like not about it.
Yeah.
But it's cool that after whatever happens with Veritas, James is still here, you guys popped up.
I remember seeing the video and I'm like, "This is very Veritas-esque." So it would be cool to see more people start to work to expose corruption.
And I think, you know, locally, finding out local corruption and malfeasance So I appreciate you guys coming and hanging out.
It's been a blast.
Yeah.
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