The Culture War #48 - Texas National Guard Deadline With Feds, Biden VS. Texas: Civil War
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Talk about a volatile situation on the Texas border.
Right now trending on Twitter is treason.
Stand with Texas.
Biden administration.
More and more states are lining up to voice their support for Texas as they defy the federal government in securing their border.
And it's a pretty wild situation.
The Biden administration has no good options.
They are actively facilitating human smuggling operations and the largest criminal alien invasion we have seen in this country probably forever.
I mean, So now you have a circumstance where the Feds want border barriers removed, razor wire.
The Supreme Court said they can remove it, but the Texas National Guard says no.
The Biden administration gives Texas till today to back off so they can remove it, and the AG of Texas, Ken Paxton, says no.
You also have several states which have already sent material support to Texas.
And just yesterday, Donald Trump called on willing states to deploy their National Guards to Texas for the explicit purpose of Repelling federal agents who are trying to open up the border and let illegal immigrants into the country.
Needless to say, we are separated from here and civil war with nothing but a thin veneer, because the risk of escalation is great.
I want to stress this point to make sure people understand normalcy bias, optimism bias, and what might happen.
Because there's probably a lot of people right now saying, what a silly idea, there will not be a civil war.
A point that I've made many times on Tim Castellaro and my other shows.
We say the Civil War of 1861 began at Fort Sumter.
Only one person died, I believe, and I believe it was an accident.
No one was actually trying to kill each other.
However, despite the fact that we say, historically, Fort Sumter was the opening battle of the Civil War, locals, the American population, including those in the South and the North, still did not think they were in one.
And so at the first Battle of Bull Run, they came to picnic.
Citizens, residents, came to Picnic to watch what they thought would be nothing because Civil War was not possible.
Despite the fact, historically, we believe the Civil War had already started, and it was chaos.
So, I can't tell you that what's happening in Texas will be Civil War, but Civil War's been trending for several days now.
Treason is trending, and the current frontrunner for the presidency, and former president, has called for states to dispatch Armed soldiers to go down and lend assistance to Texas that is an active defiance over this jurisdiction with the federal government.
I would argue that this situation right now is Fort Sumter-esque.
You have, much like Fort Sumter, a dispute over jurisdiction and who has a right to this area.
South Carolina was arguing that the Union had no right to be in this fort because they had seceded.
The Union said, no, it's ours and we can be here.
and it became active conflict.
Hopefully this chills out, but maybe it won't.
So we'll talk about what's going on with Texas and we'll talk about the potential of Texas seceding from the union.
We got a couple of guests joining us.
I don't know which one of you would like to introduce yourselves first. - I'll let Tony go. - Yeah, great to be here.
unidentified
I'm Tony Ortiz.
I'm with Current Revolt.
We are the third, fourth largest conservative media outlet in Texas.
We focus specifically on Texas politics.
We don't write up anything national, so everything we do is based around Texas news and Texas happenings.
We've been at it for about three years, four years, and it's been a pretty wild ride.
Texas, a lot of people forget, Texas is huge, bigger than some countries.
So there's a lot of news and political stuff to cover, and we focus on all that.
But I'm president of an organization called the Texas Nationalist Movement, where the outside of the two major political parties were the single largest political organization in the state.
And our mission is the political, cultural, and economic independence of Texas.
People look at that, and that originated when Greece was looking at exiting the Euro, right?
And that's when they started talking about Grexit and then, you know, Farage and the rest of them did Brexit and we're sitting over here like, you know, we literally have an X in our name.
I mean, you know, this idea of decentralization and, you know, I've been...
Tim, I've been working on the issue of Texas independence since 1996.
And I will tell you that we're standing here on the precipice.
It went unreported by the media, but literally in the summer of 2022, SurveyUSA, who has been rated the most accurate political pollster in the country, they surveyed, I think it was eight different states, Texas being one of them.
And I mean, it was a massive sample size for a poll of that type, and essentially what they found was that 66% of likely Texas voters would vote Texas out if it was on a ballot.
unidentified
I do have a distinction to make with that question, because based on what I saw, the question was more like, do you think Texas has the right to independence?
Do they have the right to?
Versus the question being, should they go ahead and do it?
Well, no, but if you look at the question, it's do you support Texas, do you support your state withdrawing from the union and joining a union of other conservative states?
So at the heart of that question is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Texas exiting the union.
unidentified
There's an important distinction between, like, do you think you should have the right to own a firearm versus do you want to exercise that right?
But you're talking about a different question on that poll, though.
There was a question about do you support a state's right, just like there was a question about If a state made this decision, would you support military force against them?
But at the heart of it was that one single question that got down to the issue of political will.
And if that had been conducted in a vacuum, You know, I think that we would be having a different conversation about whether it was valid or not, right?
But, you know, you start looking at that trajectory.
2009, we were 35%, you know, on a question that was virtually identical, right?
Then you get to 2014, right around the time of the Scottish independence referendum, that was the first time we crossed Over a majority of Republicans supporting the issue and that was not some, you know, that was a Reuters Ipsos poll, right?
So we've been on this trajectory for a long time, but here's the bottom line.
Polls are irrelevant.
What matters is when you get, like they had in Scotland in 2014 or in the UK a couple years later, when you actually put it on a ballot, let people debate the pros and cons, And then have it culminate in a vote to express the political will of the people of Texas.
unidentified
For those listening and watching, Daniel Miller's group has attempted to put the question on the Republican ballot, and it's failed for multiple reasons.
Without public support, or it's an administrative failure?
unidentified
It's an administrative failure.
The reasons being, one, and these are from the chairman of the Republican Party, it was turned in after the due date, and two, that they used digital signatures for this petition.
I mean, the Republican Party does not want... Yeah, I mean, look, you gotta understand, the Republican Party of Texas has two planks on its platform, essentially calling for this question to be put To the people of Texas.
The chairman of the Republican Party of Texas screwed Texas voters when he did what he did.
He violated the Texas election code.
He made a case that, frankly, was weaker than a five-gallon bucket of baby piss.
I mean, let's just be honest about why he rejected it.
He gamed the system and he disenfranchised Texas voters having this opportunity to vote in a non-binding way on this question in March.
Like, you know, I went for the first time a few months ago with Ashley Sinclair, Claire and Nuance Bro.
And seeing it in person versus seeing like the constant videos and everything is way different.
And it's it's a total crap show down there.
And these people are coming in in hordes.
It is really a majority men, some children, some women.
And you walk around and there's trash all over the place.
Some of the interesting things we saw in a pretty common way were SIM cards, antibiotics, condoms, used condoms, all over the place, right?
Clothes, bras, underwear.
It's very odd.
And, you know, this is escalating.
We've broken records for the amount of illegal immigration coming in.
And these people, They come in, they find a way to cross over, they bring blankets with them, they'll throw them over the barbed wire, and then they'll kind of toss each other or hand each other over the barbed wire.
And, you know, you'll see agents come over and basically just kind of walk them over to a staging area and then just get them processed.
CBP.
Yeah, they just get them processed.
And then you have some of these charities, especially the Catholic ones, and I'm a Catholic, Catholic charities that come in and they provide them food or assistance or money help them process and help them like go across the country and then their court dates are Years and years down the line.
These people aren't gonna show up years later by then.
They've already figured out something else so the issue with the Texas National Guard is There were videos released several months ago.
I mean, it's not just about the videos, it's about the people who have witnessed this happen, where federal agents were removing the razor wire, cutting it, or, in one instance, using heavy machinery to lift it up, allowing these people to illegally enter the United States and Texas, of course.
unidentified
Yeah, and it wasn't just barbed wire that we put up.
Abbott put up these, I call them pool floaties, these orange balls, right?
And the left was saying there was razor blades in the middle of it.
And the balls were meant to deter people from coming over.
And I guess, I think one person died or got injured from that.
But a lot of what our governor has done has been just deterrence.
And that's kind of what the razor wire is.
It's a deterrent.
We haven't actually gotten to the point where we're deporting these people or removing them from the country.
We're just kind of showing a force with this razor wire.
I'm not a big fan of Governor Abbott.
I believe he can do a lot more.
He's a decent governor.
And right now, I do think that he should be applauded.
He's doing a decent job.
But a lot of what's being done And Wade Miller brought this up.
He's a great follow on Twitter.
But Wade Miller brought this up and he said, you know, a lot of what Abbott's doing is just repelling these people or just are deterring them.
Or I shouldn't say since the beginning, but there was a period where, uh, the governor was loading people up onto buses and planes and sending them to other states.
And a lot of conservatives are cheering for it, saying, ha ha, this will show these sanctuary cities and states.
And, to be honest, it kind of did.
Now you've got New York, uh, Mayor Eric Adams saying this is going to destroy the city.
Mayor, uh, Johnson in Chicago is freaking out.
They're talking about building internment camps for these people.
Curfews are being enacted.
All across the country, immigration is becoming a pressing issue, largely because Texas said, you want the problem, you got it.
However, my view is, That's only exacerbating the problem.
He's actually helping the Biden administration smuggle these people across the country, and I understand it made a political point.
However, it's still a problem.
Now, at some point, the governor said, that's it, no more.
And I don't know if this is true, but I heard that Texas has stopped funding the shipping of these people, this political move, to make a point or to, you know, actually alleviate the stress on Texas as well as, you know, make a political point.
But I've heard that slowed down as they've put up the razor wire.
So, you know, the joke was when Abbott started doing it, it's like, man, somebody's been pouring through the archives on our website.
But, you know, obviously no one ever took us up on it.
But the time to make that political point was 13 years ago.
I mean, Perry, when Perry was governor, the Obama administration enacted what was called the Alien Transfer and Exit Program.
And essentially what they were doing was they were taking interdicted illegal aliens from every state to the west of Texas Taking them, putting them on buses, and transporting them to Presidio, Texas.
Now, let me tell you, Presidio is a very small community.
Very sparsely populated.
Literally, they would take them on the buses, they would pull up to the International Bridge, they would point across to Mexico, and they would spill them out and send them back to Mexico.
But the problem with that is, the only thing on the other side of that bridge is the Chihuahuan Desert.
Okay?
So, what was happening was, they would get off of the bus, they would cross the bridge, They would camp out, they would go a mile or two down the border and cross right back into the county.
And so the county sheriff is, you know, screaming like crazy because all of a sudden now, in a matter of days, he's got 30,000 brand new people in this massive crisis.
And so, you know, it was a suggestion that we had made to essentially prove the political point.
But we're in a situation with the border where making that political point was 13 years ago.
It's not today.
We're in unprecedented territory as far as the border surge goes.
I get the sentiment.
I understand that we need to make these people wake up.
But at the end of the day, it's those policies that are being fostered or foisted upon Texas by the federal government By politicians that are elected by these people in these states that are creating this problem.
The Biden administration is trying to facilitate the, these, so it is not just that Texas, this is what's funny when Texas and Florida and other States are like, ah, we're going to put these, you know, criminal aliens on buses and send them out.
The Biden administration was like, Oh, we've been doing that for years.
Thank you for, for helping.
unidentified
Yeah, like I said, it's a good meme, and it gets the people going, and it's good political propaganda for our side.
We're sending these people to Democrat cities, but it doesn't actually do anything.
And I mean, a lot of what you see is to score political points.
I mean, look, case in point, the issue with the park right now, right?
That's two and a half miles of border, right?
Texas has 1,254 miles of border with Mexico.
While all of the attention is being focused there right now on two and a half miles, you've got another 1,200 miles plus of border that are effectively undefended.
And granted, you know, there's actions being taken there.
I mean, you've got some with Operation Lone Star, but there's been criticisms of that too.
But I think what we're seeing here with the park in particular is much like the issue with the busing, right?
Which is, This has drawn the attention.
I mean, it has created the situation where there is no escaping, there is no denying this crisis, this break between Texas and the federal government.
You know, it's much like we talk about the Battle of Gonzales.
I mean, if people ever see The size of the cannon that the Battle of Gonzales was fought over.
I mean, it's tiny, right?
I mean, look, there are people in Texas that own handguns that are probably bigger than that, right?
But it becomes this issue where, look, this is kind of the point right here where we're going to essentially litigate in the public sphere this entire crisis with the border.
And if it is really concentrated, that two and a half miles, and it makes this happen, so be it.
I was reading a news article about what's going on in Texas and people have made Gonzales razor wire, uh, flags.
Just come and take it with razor wire, and these news outlets don't know what the flag is.
They're saying, flags have been made threatening, you know, enticing the federal government to try and take the razor wire, and I'm like, these journalists don't know what the Gonzales flag is.
I've been talking about the fear of civil war for some time, and not even in this context.
And people would say to me that, you really think states are going to line up soldiers and go fight the federal government?
I'm like, no, of course not.
I've never thought that.
You know, when we were talking about the prospect of civil war in 2018 or whatever, it was social destabilization, rising political factions, various factions and cells fighting each other in the streets, and economic and political destabilization like you see in almost every civil war ever.
And now here we are with what do we have 30 some odd states voicing their support for Texas in their defiance of the federal government asserting authority over this over this over this jurisdiction and civil war is trending because the what is separating us right now from civil war is is a thin veneer in that what happens if today the Biden administration makes a move to federalize the Texas National Guard?
Serious question.
As Texans, what do you think the Texas National Guard would do?
Well, look, I'll just throw in my two cents because I don't know.
I mean, well, there's literally a crystal ball there, but I don't think any of us have a crystal ball on this.
But look, I'll tell you literally right before we went to air.
I got a message from someone who's down there communicating with some of the guys in the National Guard.
There are discussions happening among the National Guard that are deployed right now about what their reaction will be if they do get federalized.
And look, that was our criticism of Abbott's use of the Texas National Guard all along, is that at any point They can be called into federal service in order to stand down.
Now granted, there is some legal precedent there that says that maybe that doesn't necessarily apply, but it does create the situation.
The Texas Military Department's made up of three branches.
It's Air National Guard, Army National Guard, and the Texas State Guard.
The State Guard cannot be federalized, and it's been our organization's position since 2012 that that should be the primary vehicle for use by Texas for border protection simply because it cannot be federalized.
And I want to be very clear here because I don't want to be misunderstood on this point.
What I'm talking about is the fact that if right now you're looking at this dance between the state of Texas, between the governor, the attorney general, and the federal government, the DOJ, Department of Homeland Security.
And if you look at these letters and these responses that are going back and forth, you're seeing a lot of legal language.
Look, that's legal posturing for political purposes.
And so, if you shift those duties for border protection over to the State Guard, To have the federal government step up and say, hey, you know what?
We don't care that we don't have any authority to federalize.
There's no mechanism for them to do that.
For them to do that would be an extra-legal issue that becomes political.
The political ramifications are what I'm talking about.
Right now, I believe that the legal argument for federalization has not been met.
And there are a few criteria that must be met in order for the federal government to nationalize a National Guard.
One of which is the inability... So they will make these arguments.
I argue they're wrong, but of course.
One of the criteria is that it is impossible for the federal government to enforce existing United States law with their current forces and require National Guard to enforce that law.
The Biden administration will, of course, argue, the law says, you know, if there's people here, we got to bring them in and process them.
Oh, we're being barred, so we're going to need to federalize the National Guard.
The second is active rebellion against the United States.
I don't know if they'll try and make that argument.
If they do make a move, because it's a bold statement to make for them to say Texas is in rebellion against the United States, they'll likely say, this is our jurisdiction, the Supreme Court agrees, in order for us to enforce the law, removing these barriers, we require Texas National Guard.
That being said, I do not believe it's legitimate that the Biden administration is actively breaking the law.
And I think this gets to the point that you were talking about a moment ago, Tony, about these various people in positions of authority circumventing constitutional rights, doing the things that they do.
What we're seeing here is, frankly, the thing that I loved about Trump's four years in office.
created such a situation that it forced all of this out in the open.
I mean, it's slapping everyone in the face, right?
And so the thing that I think is quite interesting about this particular situation, if it were to go down the way that you described, is at that moment, the mask is off, right?
Everyone sees it.
Look, that's happening right now.
unidentified
It's an election year.
That's the biggest thing, right?
If this was happening not in an election year... 1860 was an election year.
I think with the media being so transparent now, at least, so much is exposed.
It's an election year.
This is the worst situation for Democrats to be in and for Biden to be in, right?
This border crisis, even liberals, and I don't mean like hardcore leftists, but even liberals are not happy about what's happening with the border in our country.
And so this is a losing issue for Biden to keep allowing to happen or to be very aggressive on.
My guess is that things will calm down.
Everybody's kind of beating their chest and he may just let Texas kind of do its thing and maybe put out a bold statement.
So my concern is normalcy bias, optimism bias, which is optimism bias is people just think it's gonna work out in the end.
This is the dominant view people have is like, it'll be fine.
Normalcy bias is it can't happen because it doesn't happen.
And which is why I bring up the point of Fort Sumter, where we look at the history book and here's a timeline and we're like, the Civil War started here.
Yet, even after that, people were like, I'm gonna go have a picnic.
At the first Battle of Bull Run, and I love the art that was drawn of the moment of, like, the mayor's panicked, holding his hat as shots are being fired.
They're watching men get their guts disemboweled, blood and rampage.
No one thought it was going to happen, despite the fact we look back and say they were already in a civil war before it.
And so my concern is there are You know, we were mentioning this last night on IRL.
There are actually really, really terrifyingly simple things which could result in just like hyper-escalation.
I won't say what those things are because they are so simple for anyone to do that someone may hear me say, so I won't bring it up, but there are things available to every person where $10 in resources and you could, this thing could go crazy.
That's how crazy it could, how fast it could escalate.
We had Eric Prince on the show a couple of weeks ago.
And I asked him with everything that's going on in the United States, and this is funny because I'm talking to him about this before this escalation on the border.
And I was like, do you think, based on what you've seen around the world, with the jobs you've been involved in, and the controversies, that the U.S.
is entering this kind of period?
And he said, look, what I'll tell you is, everyone I've worked with who's been in a country where it's fallen to revolution, civil war, whatever, it happens overnight.
It's in an instant.
One day, everything's normal.
The next day you wake up, the power's not on.
There's no internet.
You can't make a phone call.
And so, my fear is, Nobody ever wants war.
Look, obviously they're warmongers.
You know, Nikki Haley can go on stage and say something like, we gotta go to Ukraine.
It's like, yeah, we get it.
Hillary Clinton can talk about what she wants for war.
But my point is, when it comes to conflicts like this, I do not believe the Biden administration is salivating at the chance to suppress a rebellion.
I don't think Greg Abbott is salivating at the chance to deploy National Guard in active combat against the federal authorities.
But there comes a point, it's a game of chicken, where neither side feels that there is an appropriate exit that can save them.
In these circumstances, there are a bunch of possibilities to consider.
Let's say Biden announces today that in order to enforce Supreme Court rulings and have these barriers removed, they will need the assistance.
He doesn't even make it a contract.
He doesn't make it a conflict.
He says, thank you, Texas National Guard, for all of your help.
We now require your assistance in securing the border, he'll call it, and following the Supreme Court's orders, make a move to federalize.
Let's say That National Guard in Texas, they just go, OK, you got a boss.
And then word comes down from on high, cut the razor wire and remove it.
And instantly all the National Guard just say, OK, we remove all the razor wire.
The news that would ripple through this country as we are facing six to 10 million people flooding the photos, the videos, the betrayal.
I mean, the confidence in government would evaporate overnight.
I don't know what that leads to, but governments only function off of confidence.
If a guy came to your house in a clown costume, knocked on the door, and said, I'm officer with the clown division, open up, you're under arrest, you'd be like, what?
Is this a joke?
I don't respect clown division.
If people view law enforcement and government much the same way they would view a random clown showing up, meaning they have no confidence that this organization has any authority, they ignore it.
And if the authority cannot exact fear, they cannot maintain control.
So people talk about the federal government, it has a monopoly on violence.
The police have a monopoly on violence.
There is the confidence in humans, in the United States, that if you break the law, you'll go to jail.
However, that's been eroded, as we've seen these mass raids on stores, stores are shutting down, and more and more people are starting to realize, I have no confidence that should I act inappropriately, anything will be done to me, or should anyone act inappropriately to me, anything will be done to them.
So if we come to the point where the Biden administration acts outside, already acting outside of the law, says, we will make sure the criminal aliens invading this country are unabated, What happens to the view of what the federal government can and should be doing at a time when they've already gone after the former president?
I mean, confidence is eroded.
So, the best case scenario, in my opinion, would be something like that.
The federalization of the National Guard, they all just agree, there's no active conflict.
What that means for the fabric of the country, I don't know.
Now, however...
What if Greg Abbott says, with sweating bullets, sitting in his office being like, I do not want to do this, I've never wanted to do this, and he's got people screaming in his ear being like, if you let the Biden administration rip through Eagle Pass, you will not only lose your legacy, your career, this state will be destroyed, and you will go down in history as one of the worst politicians this country has ever seen stand your ground.
And what if he just says, Fine.
More importantly, what if he's got community leaders, industry leaders, high-profile wealthy people of Texas being like, do not let him do this to us.
And so he says, I have no choice.
National Guard, do not belay those orders.
You are under our command.
Reject that.
What happens if Joe Biden responds by saying, I think the move for the federal government would be federalize the National Guard, but what if, in a situation like that, Joe Biden says, I hereby invoke the Insurrection Act, you are in rebellion, and we will deploy army against you.
unidentified
Those seem like far-fetched- And he arrests Greg Abbott, and that's like the ultimate campaign thing.
You see Greg Abbott get arrested, and he goes to jail for like a couple days while, you know, he's insubordinate to the federal government, right?
And now he can run on that, I went to jail for Texas.
I think like what you're saying, it's possible something like this can happen.
These riots that we saw across the country were not over George Floyd.
It was because people... I think, for me, I didn't see this right away because I was in the suburbs, I was in South Jersey, so I had a house in the backyard, and you could walk around your neighborhood and do whatever and Walmart was still open, but people in New York, there was nothing.
My friends who are in New York are like, the stores are all closed, the restaurants are all closed, there's a few places to buy food, and you're locked in this tiny 400 square foot box.
And all these young people just went nuts.
Given the opportunity to go out and be angry, they took it.
So I do think that COVID did result in the worst riots we've seen in this country in 50 years, 30 plus deaths.
It was wild what we were seeing.
And the pretext was, oh, but they're racist, George Floyd.
I wonder, what if you're right about Greg Abbott and he's like, hey, this would be great for my election prospects moving up, vice president, president, who knows?
What if Abbott, the political class around him, genuinely believe and convince him the Biden administration is in freefall?
Their approval ratings are 35%.
The right side of history is opposition to the unpopular government.
Stand against them.
unidentified
I think that's what's more likely than, like, Texas secession.
I think what's more likely is you get a majority of states that come together and they say, we don't recognize the federal government as legitimate.
Well, and it may be, but you have to understand those things are all sort of outcroppings of this subconscious thought here that the United States, as a political and economic entity, is not the Byzantine Empire.
It will not be around for 1,400 years, right?
And the fact of the matter is, if there are political pressures, there are social pressures, there are economic pressures, We know that the federal system as it stands right now is a one-size-fits-none enterprise, right?
You know, we know time and time again, you talked about Biden's approval ratings.
I mean, anytime you look at the approval ratings of the U.S.
Congress, I mean, typically the only thing that they're more popular than is herpes.
To be fair, when individuals are polled in their districts, they poll really high, and the reason Congress polls so low is It's a systemic problem, right?
People do not have any trust or faith.
You know, you mentioned confidence a moment ago, and I heard Tony mention the word legitimate.
You mentioned confidence a moment ago, and I heard Tony mention the word legitimate.
Legitimization is the only thing.
I mean, that's really the tale of statecraft and geopolitics over the last 100 years is this seeking of legitimacy.
But contrary, you know, and look, I know you tried to trigger me, man, it's okay.
I still like you.
Look, I'm just going to say this, you know, this is the thing that I have, one of the reasons that I have poured my soul into Texas Independence, because this, you can see this coming.
I mean, 1996, August 24th, when I crossed that line in the sand, I could, you know, it was on the horizon.
You know, these political and cultural and economic pressures didn't just drop out of space, right?
This is not something that happened right now.
These trends have been moving this direction for a long time.
And so, you know, when Marjorie Taylor Greene or whoever talks about national divorce, or we're talking about Texas becoming a self-governing independent nation, understand that what we're talking about here is a process where the people get a say in their government.
And it relieves that sort of pressure because we can agree, look, let California govern California, let New Hampshire govern New Hampshire, let all these other states govern themselves, we don't have to be enemies.
But we also don't have to bend a knee to a federal government run by two and a half million unelected federal bureaucrats that want to give us all complimentary colonoscopies every time we want to get on an airplane.
What's happening is With a state like California allowing mass illegal immigration and calling themselves a sanctuary state, they're being apportioned more seats in Congress and more electoral college votes.
So if we were, there's been varying estimates, I think we had a few members of Congress, and I can't remember who drafted the bill or the resolution or whatever, I think Thomas Massey pointed out they want The citizenship question.
We only count citizens towards Congress.
And they estimate, I think, California had between five and seven extra seats.
Maybe.
It may be, as a whole, Democrats get five to seven extra seats because they bring in criminal aliens.
The way it works is, California lets in a million people.
They then do a sentence and say, look, a million people.
We get a seat in Congress.
We get an electoral college vote.
The mistake many conservatives keep making, even Donald Trump says this, is that the illegal immigrants vote.
No, they don't.
Voting is not the process by which laws are enacted.
Laws are enacted by representatives who make votes in Congress and by representatives, electoral college members, who are elected and then will vote for the president.
You do not need An illegal immigrant to cast a bout for anyone.
Their mere presence on the census will give a Democrat an extra vote out of the 538 they need for the presidency.
You have, what, four or five extra votes because of these people?
So, they're in essence voting as to how our system operates.
Texas has to negotiate to the federal government with people who should not even be there and they're representing non-citizens.
Which points to the fundamental brokenness of the federal system.
The scenario you just laid out, I think people don't think about in those terms.
If it were about illegal aliens voting or being on a pathway to being able to vote, that's one discussion.
But the fact that it creates this ideological imbalance And the federal system speaks to the power that the federal government has or has stolen in our lives.
Their ability, and that's why you see all of this every two to four years, this ridiculous Punch and Judy show over who gets the reins of power in Washington, D.C., is because they wield it like a club for their ideological viewpoint.
So take a look at what happens in a major city like Chicago.
The Democrats will bring in 300,000 criminal aliens.
Criminal alien is the legal academic term, and I'm not saying that to be cute.
People like say illegal immigrant, I'm saying literally criminal aliens, they enter the country illegally, they're not documented.
They go to Chicago and it results in, as Joe Biden put it, I'm gonna quote Joe Biden here, the city's turned to dirt.
That's what he said.
He said that in 2007.
It's a viral clip going around right now.
Hardworking people don't want to pay taxes into a system that's doing this, so they leave.
You end up with...
You only need in a congressional district that is a large portion criminal aliens.
Let's say your congressional district, 775,000 people, has 200,000 criminal aliens.
It's a really high number.
It's not really that high.
But it allows for the state to get an extra congressional seat.
You are now only seeking votes from that half a million.
No longer are you seeking to win the majority of 775,000.
If they were all hard-working Americans, it's a harder pitch.
You need to convince more Americans to vote for you.
If you have large portions of people who can't vote, but give you the seat anyway, they are second class citizens, effectively.
I mean, they're not citizens, but I mean like, they are second class.
Their voice does not matter.
You have already been granted the power, now you need only convince a small portion to vote for you.
If conservatives don't want to live in an area that's overrun by crime, like we're seeing... I'll break it down like this.
Here's what I think is happening in the cities.
They're bringing in mass waves of criminal aliens into New York, into Chicago, otherwise.
We are seeing stores shut down and evaporate.
Who's going to move first?
Conservatives.
This is a fact.
We saw the mass migration, in-migration, from California, New York, Illinois, into Florida and Texas.
What this means then is, you've now eliminated your political opposition and given yourself an extra congressional seat where the only people left to vote are gonna be Democrats.
Guaranteeing an extra seat in Congress that cannot be opposed.
unidentified
Yeah, there's a strong argument to be made because there's a lot of people that want to abandon our cities, right?
They want to abandon Dallas.
They want to abandon Chicago, like what you're saying, and move to the burbs.
And I'm a burbs guy.
I love the suburbs.
But there's a strong argument to be made because of that, that we shouldn't abandon them.
We should continue to fight for our cities.
And that's getting involved in like city council elections and school board elections and stuff.
And people, the average person doesn't care about the local politics.
They care more about a presidential thing, right?
So if you pull somebody's voting record, it's all about voting in a presidential election.
Most people can't name who their mayor is for their city.
It is, in my view, Democrats looking at the United States as the Titanic already hitting the iceberg and deciding we're going to steal as much of the fine China as we run to the lifeboats.
unidentified
And it's crazy to me, you can treat these non-citizens, these demographics that vote for liberals, you can treat them horribly.
And they will continue to vote Democrat no matter what.
I look at these high-profile people, I've looked at high-profile political celebrities in Texas, and they don't even vote.
I'm not gonna name names.
But there's a substantial amount of political celebrities that reside in Texas, and when I pulled their voting records, these are people that literally make their living off of politics, And they don't vote, right?
So yeah, right, you pardon this rapper and he's like, oh yeah, I fuck with Trump.
But like, he's not gonna go vote.
And his buddy's not gonna go vote.
They'd rather get high.
They'd rather do something else, right?
If you make your living off politics and even you can't be bothered to go vote, you think that...
Joe Schmo that listens to rap because his favorite rapper got pardoned.
I want to accuse someone of having opinions they don't have or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
But yeah, I don't see it.
I think it goes back to what I was saying.
As long as the internet's working, the food's on the table or in the fridge or on the shelves and they've got running water, most people are just satisfied with playing video games.
It's very cheap, what you were saying, to trigger a big conflict.
But I think if we're looking at a conflict, especially with the way people are so neutered nowadays, you're looking at something that just kind of lasts for maybe a day, and then everybody's like, eh, it's fine.
The Marvels is the lowest box office of any film, including The Incredible Hulk, which was considered the black sheep of the Marvel films.
But not to go into Marvel specifically, culturally, Culturally.
Ratings have collapsed from the Emmys, the Grammys, or whatever.
Sales of movies, games, everything, they're flattening out.
unidentified
Well, because everything has an agenda, right?
I can't, I can't... My wife noticed this, and she's not, she wasn't born and raised in America.
My wife knows, like, every single show has, or even commercial, you can't turn on the TV without some sort of propaganda where it's like, you got, like, something, right?
He even says, at the beginning, they find this ancient technology and they're like, this was all covered in ice before, and he goes, thank God for global warming.
unidentified
The only time I watch these garbage movies is when there's nothing else on, on the American Airlines flight, the Wi-Fi entertainment channel, right?
So like I'll watch it, right?
But like a great example of a movie that did well was like Godzilla.
Did you watch a Godzilla minus one yet?
You should, right?
So I went, because I love Godzilla in general, but I went thinking this was just going to be like a typical monster movie.
It's going to be kind of, it's just whatever monsters fighting.
But this was a phenomenal movie.
It had a love story.
There wasn't any messaging.
There wasn't any real political stuff to it.
It was just like love story, conflict, giant monster, overcoming that, family, like all of that.
I mean, you know, from the time of the start of the Texas Revolution to the end of the Battle of San Jacinto, over 60 percent of the people that signed up to fight in the Texas Revolution in the Texian Army bailed out.
You know, Texas was never able to mount its full strength on a battlefield.
But ultimately, that's not what matters.
What matters I think, and we're not talking about this, I don't want to put this in war terms because that's not what this is, but I think when we talk about these ideas that are pushing and sort of the public push, I think it goes back to what I said a moment ago about the movie, the Civil War movie.
We could call it predictive programming.
But I look at these things as cultural outcroppings, and that's why, you know, you see these cultural manipulators in Hollywood and places like that trying to move people, everything, you know, they've got to preach to everyone.
But I'm going to tell you, underneath the surface where everyone is, yeah, they've got internet, but they also have to go to the gas pump, and they've got to go get groceries, and they see those prices.
And underneath it all, I think, and I know particularly in Texas, people are as nervous as a chihuahua crapping a peach pit, and they should be.
In order to change the name of Dallas to, like, Stalinsburg or something, how many people would you need to vote to change the name of Dallas to Stalinsburg?
So one of the guys that works with us, that we consult with, he is the foremost expert on independence referendums worldwide.
His name is Dr. Matt Quartrup.
And Dr. Q as we call him, although we did have to warn him not to wear a Q lapel pin when he visited the University of Texas because, you know, awkward.
But I don't think he understood.
But, you know, a lot of the work that he's done as an academic has been about Self-determination and independence movements.
He's consulted with I think 14 or 15 and so He one of the things that he pointed out was he went back of the last hundred years dealing with these independence referendums And here's what he found on average they drive voter turnout 85% Wow, and that's you know, and that's with a pretty broad sample.
unidentified
So I And this is where I'm at with Texas... Be careful.
Yeah.
I think it's a good war drum, and I think it gets the people going.
But in actual moving to get it done and people actually being like, you know what, I'm going to vote today, To secede.
Well, here's the fun part about that argument is I heard the very same thing from the remainers before the Brexit vote.
It's the same argument.
And my thing here is, look, I respect that.
One of the things that we've said time and time again is we absolutely want to make sure that when this goes on a ballot, That we have a broad conversation, a big vigorous debate, on the relationship between Texas and the federal government.
Because there are people like you, like, you know, look, I think it's, I think it may be a good idea, but in practice it's problematic.
Those things, those things bear out eventually.
And you get what you had in 2014, where the, you know, Scotland said, no thanks, you know.
But then you get Brexit, where, you know, you get over a majority.
I think the issue of independence would be So dramatic, it would drive mass turnout, in which you'd need a substantial amount of people to actually be convinced to vote yes or no.
So with an issue like independence, you are going to have very, very powerful federal interests dumping billions into marketing and making sure it's the only thing that matters, which will result in turnout for sure.
So my concern is if you really can't convince someone to care, it becomes easier and easier to vote for one extreme or the other.
unidentified
Which is what Hollywood and the Democrats are doing so much.
They're trying to keep people, like I keep saying, neutered.
They want them to just be comfortable, be happy, consume your slop, watch your movies, right?
Don't worry about voting.
And it's going to continue that way until things get really bad.
And I don't think we're there yet.
It needs to get really, really bad for people to be inspired.
When you look at the airports in major cities and they have hundreds to thousands of illegal immigrants.
In New York, when they kicked kids out of their schools so they could house illegal immigrants.
In Chicago, you have the black community in uproar where activists are now coming out.
These are former Democrats saying Trump is the only solution because you have illegal immigrants occupying their schools, their stores, and they're wondering why it is.
My kid's gym is no longer in use.
Like, the issue is now affecting regular people in ways they don't want to deal with.
unidentified
But see, these things are cyclical.
Like, let's say Trump wins, okay?
And then they're like, oh, my guy won.
I'm cool.
Yeah, things get a little bit bad, but, you know, like, maybe he sucks, right?
Maybe illegal immigration relatively stays the same.
But he goes on TV and he says a lot of really great things, and that keeps the people going.
They're like, oh yeah, you know, things are bad, and yeah, my gym's shutting down, and yeah, this and this isn't happening, but we got Trump, and the memes are cool, and Red Team's winning, right?
And so they relax again, and then the Democrats get fired up, and so these things, it's a constant pendulum swing, and it keeps one side happy, and then it goes, and one side gets mad, right?
With the hyperpolarization and cultural bifurcation that we've seen over the past 10 years, yeah, I think we're moving past that point.
We're now at a point where you have child sex change operations.
And, shockingly, the governor of Ohio is trying to make sure they stay in place.
You have Joy Reid.
I'll give you the remarkable hypocrisy of these leftist arguments.
Joy Reid argues that books about adult activities should be allowed in public schools.
And this happened this past week.
However, the subject matter was so shocking, MSNBC censored the words.
So we can't let the general public hear this.
It's offensive, but grade school children.
Now look, you actually have people dedicating their campaigns and actively calling for mobilization.
I'm talking about activist direct action because they want children to get sex changes.
I... Look, if the issue before was, should we raise taxes 3% or lower them?
Should the wealthy pay a slightly higher progressive tax?
Yeah, I understand, nobody shows up.
But when you have an issue where Washington State, for instance, will allow a pedophile to kidnap a child, bring them to the state, to undergo, at the age of 14, a sex change operation, and there is no legal penalty for the pedophile, I'm not exaggerating.
It's a sanctuary, uh...
State for child sex changes.
I believe it's Washington.
I could be wrong, but I think Washington, Oregon, and California are doing this.
Maybe not Oregon.
If someone goes online and grooms your child and says, yes, yes, get these surgeries, do these things.
I'll come pick you up and kidnaps your kid from Nebraska.
The state says we will not prosecute the individual who did that.
These are things where I do not see us, in the future, reconciling.
The example I like to use is actually Oklahoma and Colorado.
Oklahoma has banned abortion outright.
Colorado has removed all restrictions up to the point of birth.
I mean, these states border each other.
This is a remarkable situation to be in.
I'm not saying in a good way.
I'm saying, holy crap!
You have a scenario, perhaps, where a man and a woman are together.
The woman gets pregnant.
Six months in, the woman says, for whatever reason, this man is bad and if I have a kid with him, I'm stuck forever.
I can't do this.
We're not going to be able to afford it.
I have to abort this child.
Let's just say six months, but the baby is viable.
The baby can survive outside the womb.
In the middle of the night, she gets up and she flees and starts making her way to Colorado.
Still in the state.
The husband wakes up and says, oh my god, what's happening?
Finds out from a friend she's going to Colorado to get an abortion.
He says, that's my son.
She's going to kill my son.
Help.
He goes to law enforcement and says, she is trying to commit murder.
And the state agrees.
What she is doing is illegal.
In fact, I think it might have been Alabama or Arkansas, I'm not sure which state, actually said it is conspiracy to commit abortion if you plot to leave the state to go do it, and we will hold you criminally liable.
What happens when we get these scenarios where Colorado says, hurry, hurry, come in quick and we'll terminate the child, and Oklahoma says, you are committing a felony crime by doing this.
At a certain point, we cannot just say, it'll all be fine, nothing will happen.
No, because at a certain point, some guy is going to be like, I will do everything in my power to uphold the law.
There are some really interesting questions that I've asked pro-lifers about the circumstances that we're facing with the end of Roe v. Wade.
And one is, do you believe abortion is murder?
And I'm not going to get too much into this because we don't need to talk about it, but typically they say yes, and my response is, would you, if you are witnessing a murder about to take place, take action up to and including lethal force to stop a murder from happening?
The answer is yes.
I say, okay, now understand what you've just said when Colorado says, at the point of birth, you can terminate the life of the baby.
And while people might not publicly want to say what they think they would do, the sentiment is very obvious in the bifurcation of morals in this country.
Which, perhaps, like I mentioned, to go back to the main point, 30 years ago, yeah, nobody cares about tax policy or should we, you know, have this kind of grain or that kind of grain in surplus or whatever.
But now we're talking about whether or not a state has the right to end the life of a child at 9 months, whether a state has the right to take a child from your home and perform a sex change operation on them.
unidentified
And see, here's where I'm at.
Like, these things are already happening.
They've been happening forever.
Look how many abortions we had just last year.
And you know, yes, you'll get that that random quote unquote extremist that will do something very extreme that I won't talk about on here.
And that's that's horrible and whatever.
But the average majority of people won't they won't really act on it.
It's never been, in any context ever, the majority of people who are required to act on something.
In fact, there's that famous quote.
I always forget who said it.
Let it never be said that a small group of dedicated people cannot change the world.
Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
In most conflicts and crisis and civil wars, it is always a microscopic portion of the population that triggers mass upheaval.
Like, Occupy Wall Street is this big historic moment in the country, and it was only, at its peak, couple a hundred thousand or so people across the country, in a country of 300 million.
unidentified
Yeah, I just don't see it happening with like, for example, something like, like Texas secession.
I don't see, I don't see people being like, like I said, it's a good meme and it gets people fired up.
But in actual, like when you put pen to paper, it's like, I want to vote to physically leave the United States.
I don't think we're there yet.
We may get there.
What's more likely is that- There's one way to find out.
There's always a misrepresentation of what the issue is.
Instead of asking someone, would you like to vote?
Do you believe that taxes should secede from the union today?
And make that declaration.
People are gonna be like, well, I don't know about that.
How about you said, do you believe that we should return more of your tax money to you, stop taking tax money from your paycheck to the federal government, and frame it in this way?
Oh, look, I mean, look, the way, One of the things that we did to reframe the discussion, and Tony's probably going to stick his finger down his throat because he's heard this before, but literally how we reframed it was simply this.
As we're talking to Texas voters, we're asking this question.
If Texas was already independent, we had control over our own border and immigration policy, our own currency, our own economic taxation policy, we had our own military, we had everything that 200 other self-governing independent nations around the world have, right?
And instead of talking about Texas, we were talking about whether we would give up that control and join the Union.
Knowing everything you know about the federal government today, would you vote to join?
And, you know, when you reframe it in those terms, people understand that there is a case to be made, that there is, you know, Texas is the way to secure your rights, to get that control, and the fact of the matter is the federal government cannot sell their position.
What are they selling?
Thirty-four trillion dollars worth of debt?
A collapsed border?
I mean, let's- Blowing up weddings in Pakistan?
unidentified
Let me tell you this.
I can prove that this issue is not going to pass.
We had Daniel Miller's group put forth a resolution, and the resolution was to go on a ballot for the Republican primary, and it was just, do you think, what was the specific question?
Should the state of Texas reassert its status as an independent nation?
unidentified
It was just a question.
It wasn't even taking action.
It was just a question.
Simple thing, right?
And in order to end up on the ballot, the State Republican Executive Committee of Texas, which is comprised of what many would argue the most conservative right-wing people in the state, voted it down.
Was it the general population who voted or was it like a committee?
unidentified
And that's actually a good argument for why I also agree that the SREC is not a representation of the average person, but this is the representation of people that are the farthest right-leaning.
I think it sounds more like a special interest group blocked.
unidentified
Yeah, I think it's easy to label them that, but this is also the same group that, during convention, they agreed that it should be part of the platform, that Texas Secession should be part of the platform.
Look, the political establishment, and Tony would make the argument that the SREC, many would bristle at being called the political establishment, the State Republican Executive Committee, the folks that he's referring to.
But I would argue that they're also political establishment, just a different one than we would normally think.
unidentified
Dean, would you call the majority of the SREC establishment?
Look, we've given the Republican Party three separate opportunities to bring this question to the people, and even couched it in a way to say, look, we're not saying that you should pass a platform plank Or come out as the Republican Party and declare that Texas should be independent.
What we're saying is, you should respect Article 1, Section 2 of the Texas Constitution enough that says that the people have the inalienable right to alter, reform, or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
You should respect the people and the Constitution of Texas enough to just ask the question.
You know, what is so wrong with asking the people of Texas if they want to continue in an abusive relationship with the federal government?
Tony and I could have an entire hour talking about what's going on with the state Republican Party right now.
But let's also be honest.
Many of those folks have political ties to a political establishment.
I mean, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
And, you know, the thing that I think is quite interesting is at the same meeting that they made the decision to not put it on the ballot, they also passed a financial disclosure requirement, a rule for the SREC members and the chairman, that to this point no one seems to be able to produce any of those reports.
I mean, you know, to say, look, who's in your pocket?
You're going to have 9,000 delegates and alternates at that thing.
So, it represents a broad swath of the Republican Party.
Now, interestingly enough, the people that we would traditionally think of as the political establishment in Texas, you know, the squishes in the Republican Party, despise the convention, they despise the SREC.
I mean, you want to talk about a civil war, there is an internal civil war happening in the Texas GOP right now.
And it is our part in that entire dance right now is a small microcosm.
So I think, you know, Tony, to your point, I think saying that the State Republican Executive Committee voted it down because it's just, you know, a bridge too far or whatever it is, I think it ignores the larger internal battle that's going on.
Yeah, I mean, if you're looking for direct effects, I mean, that would be difficult, but indirectly, I mean, at the moment that you create a $12.5 billion annual hole that Texas has to pay for and you're tucking into people's pockets, that has spillover effects into discussions about property taxes and sales taxes and quality of life.
So you have this stunt where it's like, let's make Democrats feel what happens when criminal aliens come in en masse, and you've got crisis in these big Democrat cities.
Now, if you really wanted Texas to declare independence, you need the same sentiment you're getting from Eric Adams, but in Austin.
So, you want to get people to wake up and be like, we're being screwed over by the federal government.
You take a look at what's going on right now at the National Guard and CBP, but centralize all of those problems into the cities of Texas, and they're going to vote for- You're getting Daniel Ideas.
No, look, I said earlier, that ship sailed 13 years ago.
I mean, that was when you needed to make the political point.
But look, we're in a crisis situation.
I mean, that's just, that's kind of where I'm at.
And I think, to Tony's point, I think people probably see it and a lot of folks just sip their beer they kind of move on but what what the current crisis that's happening right now the two and a half miles the razor wire the whole thing Is I think it's making people pay attention to the issue and you know, they're having to fill in a lot I mean, you know, that's that's just kind of where the situation is.
unidentified
They're having to do a lot of catch-up We were talking about this before the show where my gauge of whether people are caring about an issue is whether like the normie boomer starts sending me stuff and I said that I'm starting to get normie boomer sending me clips of this show specifically and And that's really what you need.
The average Fox News voter, which is somebody who just casually sees the news on maybe at work or at the at the airport, they see this stuff happen and they move on with their day.
And that's currently that is the average voter.
But once we start seeing normies consuming media or content that's not Fox News or CNN or Washington Post, that's when we can start inflicting some change.
So Ian Crossland, a co-host on Tim KS IRL, said that his parents are total normies.
They watch MSNBC.
And when he visited him over the holidays, they were talking about illegal immigration and stuff.
And he said his parents were like, this is a disaster.
This is insane what's happening.
And it's like the one time there's been an issue, you know, he was saying he was talking to them about Ohio, because they're from Ohio, and the child sex change bill is going through, and there was actually, you know, his dad's like, well, they're just trying to help these kids, and the mom was like, no, this is wrong, and it's like there's some contention there.
With immigration, it's just like, no.
Everybody, I mean, this has taken over as the principal issue for the American voter.
It's the plurality.
So the first, the most important issue to Americans is immigration.
The second is inflation.
And I think the only reason that is because people don't know that immigration affects inflation, causes it to spike.
Well, and look, I'll tell you from a Texas perspective, obviously, You know, that polling has shifted across the union, you know, from immigration and the border being the number one, you know, to it becoming the number one issue.
But for well over a decade, when, you know, Texas Tribune, University of Texas released that poll, what every quarter, every six months, whatever it is, for well over a decade now, since they've been doing that polling, when they poll the people of Texas about the most serious issue that is confronting the state, You take immigration and the border and you combine them together and they're the number one issue.
It's been on the forefront of Texans' minds for quite some time.
So, the question of whether or not anyone votes for anything is not relevant to the actual discussion of what is currently happening on the border and with other states.
Because ain't nobody's gonna vote for whether or not some anxious, shaken-up 19-year-old National Guardsman panicking as CBP guys with guns tell him to drop his weapon.
I've written two books, but I'm not an author by any means.
I don't write books for a living.
But in 2011, I wrote a book.
called Lying in the Sand.
And what I did in that book was pretty much put down where I thought this was going to head.
And I said, basically, Texans had three options, and I think this applies for everyone.
If you study these trends and you look at the internal political, cultural, economic pressures, you take it all in tow.
We have three options.
You're going to see balkanization, That's one option where you just say, let's naturally let this thing fall apart, which you don't want.
That's why it's called balkanization.
No one wants mass graves and communities fighting one another.
The other is secession.
You take your independence in your own hands.
You release that pressure where you have a state leave.
Or the last thing is capitulation, where you basically just get down on your knees And you let the federal government take control over everything, but we ultimately know that that ends in collapse as well, because they have a one-size-fits-none approach.
I do believe that for a state like Texas, perhaps may be the only state capable of actually peacefully seceding from the Union, for a variety of reasons.
But the issue with Balkanization is that too many other states are locked to each other.
So California is heavily reliant on the Colorado River.
Yeah, as is, you know, Nevada and I believe Arizona as well.
So if, you know, if Arizona... I could be making mistakes, but if an upriver state decides, we're going to maximize our utilization of this water source, And they, in any way, control it, which results in those downstream being cut off from their water, you have war guaranteed.
Well, look, balkanization is really... It's done by non-state actors, right?
The borders... When you see balkanization happen, I mean, go back and look at what happened in Yugoslavia.
Or look at what happened in Iraq post-Saddam Hussein.
You know, nobody cared about the national borders.
What they cared about was the territory that was owned by The people that were most like them, religiously, politically, it's a reduction to violent tribalism.
And that is, you know, when you see things like you mentioned, the summer of love and the riots in the cities, that is what I believe an attempt at balkanization, when you start to see those types of things happen.
So, you know, you have to, there is a very distinct difference between state actors and, you know, engaging in withdrawal from political bodies, versus, you know, a reduction to violent tribalism versus, you know, obviously worshiping at the feet of the federal government.
So my question really is, which one of those pathways is the most peaceful pathway to get it done?
You know, granted, you're right, the federal government could react poorly if a state made a vote and said, I want to go out.
But if you think about the pressure That's why I'm not real keen on what's happening on the border right now.
I know it needs to happen, but I don't like the fact that it had to be framed this way, whereas you had an opportunity to let Texans vote on this, simply because if a state goes to the polls right now And votes themselves out, right?
You have a very public debate, the people get a chance to vote, you know, people participate, you get those levels.
You know, it becomes unquestionably one of the largest democratic exercises that we see outside of the elections here.
And so imagine what sort of pressures the federal government then becomes under if they react badly to it, when frankly they've sent people, you know, your age to go fight.
Bleed and die for that same right for people around the world.
unidentified
To Tim's point, I don't think that this is possible without violence.
Do you think that if, and I don't think it's going to happen, that you lose?
Oh yeah.
The idea of Texas winning against the federal government, it's not going to happen.
The win condition for any of us is peacefully maintaining our lives, and the moment violence kicks off, like, the end result of any kind of conflict will never be, yay, we won, it's going to be you sifting through the rubble of what you once called, look at Aleppo.
Well, I mean, okay, but follow that scenario right now, right?
So let's just, we're going to go hypothetically into the future.
Texas legislature passes a law called the Texas Independence Referendum Act that says, at a point in the future, Texans are going to go to the polls and answer this question.
Should the state of Texas reassert its status as an independent nation?
It's not going to be a secret.
I mean, let's be honest.
If we can get the cover of Newsweek, this edition, just by what's going on, then going on the ballot's not going to be an issue.
So you'll have this vigorous debate.
And I mean, it will be the normal thing that you see.
It'll be threats.
You know, it'll be the federal government saying you're going to let grandma die in a ditch, Texas can't make it on its own, it's going to be all that normal stuff.
We'll make the case, and let's say that it wins.
So, you have people go to the polls, they vote, and then the next day literally nothing happens because literally nothing happens.
It doesn't mean once you have the vote that you're immediately out.
Okay, so that's great.
So, is the federal response going to be, what, when we vote?
Is it going to be after the vote is taken?
At what point does the federal government decide they're going to invoke some military response to this thing?
And then, what will the ultimate blowback be?
unidentified
I mean, we're talking about hypotheticals and there's scenario you're presenting.
It's not even triggering, succeeding.
It's just asking the question.
But I'm talking about even if we triggered it.
So let's move even farther forward.
Let's say somehow you convince a good chunk of Democrats, which are huge in Texas, and you convince the majority of Republicans.
So you'd have the majority of Democrats or a good chunk of Democrats and the majority of Republicans, which we don't even have close to to pass something like this.
But let's say you get it done.
The government, the federal government, I think they just treat Texans, if they pass this, like they treat these sovereign citizens.
You have some loony that's like, I'm a Texas citizen, you can't arrest me.
And it's almost an attempt to downplay the fact that when you're talking about states withdrawn from a political union, And you have these massive democratic exercises where this happens.
I mean, you paint your scenario like that.
What if the European Union had done the same thing to the United Kingdom, or the UK had done the same thing to Scotland, or the 100 other plus examples that we see around the world over the last 100 years?
What would make you think that that sort of situation would happen?
That they would just treat it like it was a passing fancy or a lark?
You're talking about serious geopolitical ramifications for these sorts of things, especially when the federal government has gone around the world for the last 80 years and shed blood in support of the right of self-determination.
unidentified
Nobody's going to write a U.S.
also to factor in.
Are foreign countries going to recognize Texas as an independent nation?
It's not going to happen.
It's not a realistic thing.
We don't even have the votes.
One way to find out.
Everything that Texas has done has been focused on just appealing to the Republican Party.
There's been no ballot proposition, at least a realistic one, to be on the Democrat ballot.
And to Tim's point, that's why I think if you're going to do this stuff, the only path forward is going to be, and I disavow this, of course, but violence.
They did not say, vote for me so that in two years we can vote to secede.
They said, I will defend your homes and your rights, vote for me.
unidentified
But even in the current scenario, what's happening is these other states, and this is what I said in the beginning of the show, what's more likely, these other states are partnering with us and working with us and agreeing with us.
Yeah, we need to help you guys out and secure your border.
That is not saying, hey, we agree with you guys, you need to leave, like get the hell out of here, right?
The principal argument made by a lot of people is, like, what caused Civil War?
Slavery.
I mean, overarching, it was whether or not Abraham Lincoln would abolish slavery.
The Confederate States felt that he would, despite the fact his argument was, no, you can keep it, but no one else can have any more.
And only around 5% of people in the country actually own slaves.
The average Southerner was not moralized and charged up over the idea of we must defend slavery.
The average Southerner was sitting there and they're called to join arms because Union soldiers were invading their state and putting their mothers, their brothers, their sisters in death's path.
And so, how do you convince someone to defend, to fight in a civil war, or to fight in any war?
You're not gonna go to them and say, hey, you know how 5% of these wealthy plantation owners own slaves?
Defend them.
They're gonna be like, huh?
No, what happens is, hey, the Union is deploying troops, and they're marching on your farm right now.
Jim, in three days, they'll be at your house.
And he's like, tell me what to do, man.
They don't care about that.
So when we're looking at what's going on, it is true that there are, and this is an important distinction as well, people make a lot of assumptions about war probably because they watch too many movies.
In, uh, the secession of, I think, Virginia initially was like 2-1 against secession, and then it became like 2-1 for secession, meaning you had large loyalist factions in southern states that did not want to secede at all, and you actually had pro-Confederate sentiment in northern states to a lesser degree.
In fact, one of the most interesting things is Maryland, which is north of D.C., and was a slave state.
So Abraham Lincoln, what did he do?
He went in and arrested the members of the state legislature who were in favor of slavery or secession.
Delaware also was a slave state.
The things that end up going down are never due to set public sentiment.
Here's what I want.
Here's what I don't want.
It's... Nobody voted for Abraham Lincoln to deploy troops.
Nobody voted for anyone to fire on Fort Sumter.
They voted for, hold my state in the best interests that you can.
And so, if Greg Abbott, as governor, Decides, and it's not going to be him saying, you know what?
We're gonna go to Civil War.
That's not what happens.
What's gonna happen is they're gonna say, sir, several armed border patrol agents have just aimed their weapons at our guardsmen and ordered them to drop their weapons.
Our, you know, the commanding officer down there told them not to stand down.
What should we do?
The question is not, we hereby declare war and they bang the table.
It's, tell our men not to back down.
What happens from there?
I mean, who knows?
unidentified
And that's why I keep saying, that scenario, and what comes from that, what is more likely is a bunch of states get together and stage like a coup of some sort, or don't recognize it.
That's more likely than Texas being like, peace out, we're done.
And I believe the view there is, if everybody looks at Biden's approval rating, and they're not thinking of civil war or conflict with the federal government, they're thinking, Biden has zero popularity.
We actually are the United States.
And by standing firm with this position in the Texas National Guard, then come November, we win the election and everything is just normal and stable.
People are calling this the Lone Star Rebellion.
I shouldn't say people.
There's a meme going around showing all the states say Lone Star Rebellion.
I'm like, Texas is not in rebellion.
Texas is upholding the law as codified by Congress and their state.
The Biden administration has gone rogue.
If Republican governors feel that way as well, deploy troops to support that, I honestly don't think people would get behind the Biden administration.
And then what happens is in November, there's an election, he's just, the Democrats lose power tremendously, Republicans win, and the United States remains the United States without conflict.
unidentified
And then that's why I think, like, this is an absolute disaster for Biden.
Trump is like, people, they do not want Trump, and they will continue to do everything to keep him off the ballot.
They do not want him.
Right, and that's why you're seeing Nikki Haley now appeal to Democrats to come vote in the Republican primary.
Donald Trump is winning Gen Z. Three polls came out.
There's numerous articles from left-wing publications saying Democrats are panicking over losing Gen Z to Donald Trump.
unidentified
And that's why it's so crazy to me because the millennials are completely lost, right?
I'm a millennial.
Our generation's completely lost.
I agree.
Yeah.
But the Gen Z, and it's such a weird demographic.
I think the majority of them don't have driver's licenses.
They're more connected.
They grew up with the internet, right?
And they love Donald Trump.
And it's just so interesting to me to see why they're so into it and they're so about being based versus like the average millennial just consuming leftist content.
There's a viral video of a Gen Z guy showing a micro apartment in New York City.
It's $2,000 for 55 square feet.
Congratulations.
If you can find a job, good luck.
Maybe you can live in a closet.
At the same time, this Gen Z 22 year old in New York City who just got their degree and is trying to find a job, Notice there's a lot of criminal aliens being given hotel rooms with beds, TVs, and bathrooms, and debit cards, and cash, and the best they can muster up is sharing a closet with a friend at a thousand bucks a month each.
And then Donald Trump comes up to you on the TV and says, they're stealing from you, ripping you off, they're giving these people your hotel rooms, and this Gen Z kid, maybe a lot of them don't want to admit it, But they're probably thinking like, man, I just, I'd love to have my own place.
I'd love to just be able to get a good job that pays money and I feel comfortable.
I hang out with my friends.
I can get a drink at night.
Joe Biden's offering me making everything worse.
And Donald Trump is offering to bring back the American dream.
unidentified
And that's why I keep telling like Republican groups, they keep running on taxes and taxes and property rights and property values and all this stuff.
The average Zoomer, the average Gen Z kid, they may not own a home ever.
It's just so insanely expensive.
Even in Texas, the property values are going up.
I'm paying more taxes on my place.
And instead, they should campaign on what you're talking about.
You've got a demographic of people, in this case, illegal immigrants, that the government is catering to and assisting and helping out.
And you grew up here.
You were born and raised here.
You love your country, your state, and nobody wants to give you a thing.
What did we have in Texas?
I think it was UTD, one of our colleges, was providing financial assistance, like tax dollars, to illegals.
Imagine what it must be like to be in your own home, Let's say you're in your own house with your family and you wake up and you come downstairs and you say, what's for breakfast?
And family member, mom or whoever was cooking says, oh, we have no breakfast for you.
I'm sorry.
And then seven guys from down the street show up and start eating pancakes.
Your mom or whoever's pouring them orange juice and laughing and you're like, I live here.
It's like, imagine you go to your dad, and this is for Gen Z, and you're like, yo, dad, can I borrow the car?
Me and my friends want to go to the movies.
He's like, sorry, I can't.
A couple of guys from down the street showed up.
I don't know who they are, but they wanted to borrow the car, so I let them take it.
You'd be like, what?
That's what's happening in New York.
To Gen Z. Everything that they're supposed to inherit.
I remember crossing the Williamsburg Bridge once.
Man, that thing is massive!
And it's fun to walk across the Williamsburg Bridge.
I do think so.
I don't know if you've ever done it and you've been in the city.
And all the bridges are fun.
Manhattan Bridge.
And you're way high up and you can look across and see everything.
And I'm like, I didn't spend a single penny to build this.
I did not pay taxes to build it.
I showed up to New York one day, walked across this bridge and had a heck of a time.
Thank you to the people who invested their blood, sweat, and tears to build this so that in my life I could freely walk across it and experience that luxury.
There is a gift given to us by the generations that come before us that we inherit.
And this may not be the first time in history, but for the United States, one of the first times, the next generation that is to inherit the gifts from those who planted trees whose shade they know they would never sit beneath is being handed to strangers from a foreign land and who came here illegally in violation of the law.
And when you were told, we have worked really hard and we will bestow upon you this gift as you come into age and inherit the system, they're now being told to F off.
This random guy who shut up we don't know, he gets your stuff instead.
unidentified
And do you think these people that come here, do you think that they have any sort of American pride?
Or any kind of appreciation for what our country's doing for them actively?
That's why I get so mad when I see people flying flags of foreign countries.
And I probably shouldn't, but when I see, and I'm Hispanic, when I see Mexican flags being flown around, Puerto Rican flags, whatever the other country's flags, I genuinely get frustrated.
It's like someone showing up to your house and stealing your food and laughing because you can't do anything about it.
And then they take your food and they go to their neighbor's house and you're just like, what is this?
unidentified
You know, when I went to the border, we were interviewing these illegal migrants and they were laughing about it.
And it took everything in me not to just flip out.
They were laughing about what was happening on and then crossing over and stuff.
And, you know, another interesting thing, kind of off topic, we were talking to some of them and some of them were telling us, we can't talk about some of these things that we want to talk about with you because the cartel will see this and they will come after us.
Clair reported that there are major airline plane tickets that say no name given.
I have seen them.
So I have confirmed the existence of such boarding passes.
Ashley is working on this big story, which I don't know when or how they're releasing it or whatever, but there's also many other things that is being done by these major airlines and the federal government, which would, man, I'd love to just say, but it's not my story, and it's not details that I've vetted, and there's people whose lives are at risk, but I really, really, like Ashley and the people she's working with, need to get this information out.
There's that viral video out of Winchester, New York, where they're smuggling children.
There's a human smuggling operation going on, plane lands in the middle of the night, and one of the guys facilitating it says, if the American people knew what the Biden administration was doing, there'd be a revolution.
And the stuff that I'm seeing from Ashley, I'm just like, If these things appeared on like Times Square billboards, if there was a Super Bowl commercial, if people were just made aware of what's going on, you'd have at the very least a political revolution come November, the likes of which we've never seen.
unidentified
And so many people, this stuff's happening on a day-to-day, and people just don't see it because the media's not talking about it.
I went to the airport- Get your flashlights on.
Oops, sorry.
Went to the airport coming back from one of these TP USA events and ran into was there was Sean Fitzgerald actual justice warrior nuance, bro, and We ran into Taylor Hanson and he called us up and he said they they have illegals here and they're they're letting them through TSA Oh, that was right.
Yeah, and so Me and Sean are like we've got to go see this so we We we run downstairs and we run into nuance bro, and we We're walking through the the terminals and nuance notices like this group of people and they've got they've all got these like folders with them like specific folders and so he starts speaking to them in French like this this horrible version of French and
And we confirm, and this guy shows him his paperwork, and these Catholic charities are providing them paperwork and stuff, right?
And here's where it's funny.
So we're interviewing these people, and I can see these leftists, and you know they're leftists because they're wearing masks in the airport, watching us, right?
And I'm very obviously brown, Nuance is very obviously brown, and Sean is in the corner watching us too.
And after we interview these people, me and Nuance leave to go sit down and look at what we were filming and cut the video and stuff to put it out.
And this leftist goes, and instead of coming to us to complain to me in nuance about insulting these illegals, she goes to Sean and she's like, why are you filming illegals?
Why are you guys treating them this way?
Blah, blah, blah.
She's like complaining to him.
And Sean tells her, I don't know who those guys are.
Would you complain to me?
And then as soon as he's done saying that, he comes and sits next to us.
Turning Point USA is in Arizona, and so you get the biggest gathering of conservative influencers.
Granted, to be fair, there's libertarians that are there as well, and post-liberals, because that's a big thing happening now.
But the biggest gathering of the right.
And they're all going through the airport and they're all posting videos being like, yo, there are like just masses of criminal aliens here with the envelopes.
And it's funny because you get these these leftists on Twitter being like, why are you one of them?
Who was it?
I think Hassan Piker might have posted this something like.
sees foreign looking person, these migrants.
And they're making the point like they're probably just regular people.
And actually St.
Clair is like, they're all holding migrant packages.
They have this specific thing, instruction booklets of like how to fly.
And of course, as I mentioned, Ashley has already broken the story that they have boarding passes that say no name given.
I think the gate agents, the pilots, the flight attendants, I think the TSA, I think CBP, any one of these individuals who is aware that they are facilitating human smuggling operations should be criminally charged.
unidentified
Absolutely, and you know, the majority of these people are leftists.
Like, the majority of these flight attendants, they're all hardcore leftists.
Well, one of the videos I saw come out of TPUSA, might have been nuanced, but I'm not sure, was when one of these conservative people from the event were filming, one of the flight attendants says, why do you even care if people are flying?
These flight attendants absolutely are leftists who know they're facilitating criminal activities.
And I want to stress this.
Because I pulled this up from the DOJ multiple times.
Two U.S.
enlisted soldiers who went to prison, not for crossing the border illegally with criminal aliens, but for giving them a ride from near the border to their destination where they would be facilitated and transported.
This was several years ago under the Trump administration.
It is federally illegal.
It is state-level illegal.
And you have CBP agents.
I saw a video where they opened the border barrier and let people walk through.
They're human smugglers!
So, you know, I've said this numerous times.
I'll say the same thing for the gate agents and the pilots of these planes.
I've had pilots who are fans of the show say, you know, I only found out after the fact that they had these people on my plane and I'm like, It is a very difficult position to be in, but I draw the line at human smuggling.
And so people will say to me, you know, oh, Tim, you're so hard on people saying that they should risk losing their job by speaking up.
And I'm like, my friends, listen, please hear me.
I am not saying anyone should go to their job and advocate for murder, death, or violence.
I am not saying that people should go to their jobs and scream in their bosses' faces.
Quite literally, the point I've made is, if you're at work and someone asks you who you're voting for, you should freely say, I'm gonna vote for Donald Trump, if you want to, if that's who you're voting for.
My point is, if everybody who was supporting Trump just calmly said, here's why, you would not have the fear of cancel culture because everybody would be free to express their political opinion.
I am not saying destroy your life, you know, to advocate for violence or anything that crazy.
You shouldn't advocate for violence at all.
In the instance, however, That someone comes to me and says, Tim, I understand what you're saying about speaking up, saying I support Donald Trump, but if I lose my job, I can't feed my kids, my family, pay my rent.
My response is, I understand.
I know that's very, very hard.
I wish you could, but it's tough.
Fair point.
If someone comes to me and says, Tim, I cannot quit my job.
How am I gonna feed my kids?
I say, what's your job?
And you go, I'm a pilot who facilitates human smuggling operations.
I would say, I look forward to seeing you in prison.
But I can't quit my job.
I'm a commercial airline pilot.
I'm like, How about when you notice, and I'm not trying to be, like I understand this is a very, very difficult thing for everybody.
If you are sitting in the cockpit preparing for the flight, and they make you aware that there will be criminal aliens, part of a human smuggling operation, being brought onto your plane, you simply say, I am afraid that if I fly this plane I'll be committing a crime.
Transporting and you can show them the DOJ this I mean this you can Google search DOJ criminal charges transporting illegal aliens and say You like you can fire me right now, but I'm afraid that if I actually transport these people I'll be in violation of federal law and I won't do it.
That's a very very different thing from Saying I don't want to speak my opinion my job, which I understand that being said I Am I supposed to have sympathy for someone who knowingly engages in human smuggling and won't stop doing it?
And I do understand they're trying to make some kind of legal defense, but I will stress military men gave a ride to illegal aliens in the United States and were criminally charged for it.
The idea that CBP would remove border barriers and open the barrier to allow them to come in, that's the crime.
It's like the person who smuggled them into the country was you.
Like if a private citizen opened up one of the gates at the bollard fencing and let migrants in?
No question that's illegal.
You can't wear a badge and claim you're not breaking the law.
A cop goes to a bank and says, I need to take all your money.
I'm not robbing the bank.
It's procedural.
unidentified
And here's what the core issue is.
The core issue is like the government and these agencies, they don't view these illegals as illegal.
They're migrants.
They're coming here because their government's going after them.
The barrier for this, and this is what pisses me off about the left, They claim that these people, and the right does this too, we want them to come here legally.
That's what the government considers them doing.
They're coming over and they're saying, oh, the cartel's after me, or oh, my government's trying to do something against me, that's why I need to claim asylum here.
These people, the barrier for what they need to claim asylum is so low, And the government considers that legal.
We need to raise the barrier on what is the minimum requirements for being able to claim asylum.
And frankly, a lot of these people are coming from South America.
These other countries should attempt to assist them on their way up here.
I don't know why their first stop is the United States.
This is one of the things I brought up quite a bit.
I mean, these people are not Mexican, and people don't understand.
A few years ago, when the massive caravans were coming, Vox.com and the LA Times ran this story where they asked one of the migrants, why are they coming to the United States?
And they said, one said, I miss Buffalo Wild Wings.
Mexico has Buffalo Wild Wings too.
Mexico is actually a beautiful country.
Mexico City is amazing.
And there's a video where they were offered asylum, full status in Mexico.
And one of the guys leading the caravan says, how many of you want to stay in Mexico?
Nobody says anything.
How many of you want to continue to the United States?
They go, yeah!
So you're given asylum, you're given an opportunity, but they want to come here instead.
We have a super chat, uh, big boys asked thoughts on Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt talking about civil war last night, and he would fight, uh, and he would fight the federal government if he had to.
So, uh, just real quick, I looked this up.
The Daily Beast ran a story, Newsmax airs alarming discussion of civil war with federal government.
Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt and Newsmax host Carl Higbie mused Thursday about a potential force-on-force conflict between Texas and the Biden administration after the Supreme Court ruling.
Higbie began by telling Stitt that there's rumblings that Joe Biden should or may actually federalize the National Guard.
Take that power from Greg Abbott.
In response to the High Court's ruling, Governor Abbott remained defiant, saying in a statement, I will continue to defend Texas.
This we understand.
They're going to say, quote, let's say this showdown, I mean, that's what it is.
It's a showdown.
It's a showdown of power and loyalties and constitutionality.
Let's say Biden does that.
The Newsmax host theorized.
How many people say, no, you know what?
Screw you, Biden administration.
And how many people stay and fight with Texas versus the federal things?
And does this put us on a course for force on force conflict?
Stitt called the situation which has so far seen several migrant deaths very weird, while adding that the clash is a powder keg for tension, quote, We certainly stand with Texas on the right to defend themselves.
But Biden is going to be in a tough situation.
So in other words, he's going to try to federalize these troops.
In other words, put them on federal orders.
And so now, their allegiance technically goes to the President of the United States instead of the Governor.
The dispute between Texas and the federal government, blah blah blah blah blah, as for how those in the Texas National Guard would act if Biden were likewise to use his authority, Stitt said, quote, I think they would be in a difficult position to protect their homeland or to follow what Biden's saying.
It's very interesting, but then, you know, then you've got Oklahoma and Florida and Tennessee, and you've got these other states that would send our National Guard to help and support the efforts of Governor Abbott, because every state is a border state.
So, it's a longer conversation.
I don't know that he's actually saying they will fight.
That's a whole other conversation about policy direction in Texas.
But look, I mean, you know, again, I don't think those those comments are unsurprising.
I mean, we're we're seeing we're seeing states and officials from those states lining up in support of Texas action related to the border against the federal government and fighting back against federal overreach.
We could also have that conversation about how, unfortunately for many, many years now, think about when I said a moment ago that we first Made the bus argument, right?
Or the state guard argument.
The border issue has been a massive issue in Texas for quite some time.
It's been a concern.
And politicians in Texas, particularly those that are considered establishment politicians, know that all they have to do, they're like Peter in office space, right?
They've got to just go in and do enough not to get fired.
Right?
But in this case, and it's been a criticism for Abbott as well, is they just have to go do enough legislatively, enough of a show, that they can put something on a campaign mailer when it comes time to campaign.
You know, we're in a little bit different territory, and I think you could make the case that maybe there is some bluster here, but sometimes things take on a life of their own.
And this is the situation that we're in right now.
I mean, when you have these letters and lawsuits flying back and forth, and you've got these governors stepping up and saying, look, we're with Texas, and you've got congressmen calling on Biden to federalize the Guard and start arresting people, now we're in a different territory.
It may have started as campaign rhetoric.
Or it might have had sincere motivations.
At the end of the day, I could eat a three-pound block of cheese and couldn't give less of a crap how it started or what the motivations are.
The fact of the matter is that the moment that we're in right now is pointing us inevitably toward this clash between the state and the federal government.
I think conservatives are not listening to what Democrats are saying when they say insurrection.
We don't believe an insurrection happened, because I think any sane and rational person would just be like, it was a bad riot, and also a lot of people protesting and parading, but insurrection?
I mean, come on, that's not an insurrection.
The Democrats are saying it is.
The Democrats are saying, on January 6, 2021, The sitting president of the United States tried to engage in a coup, they literally call it a coup attempt, and tried to invoke a civil war in this country, and when they say that Donald Trump is actively engaged in blah blah blah,
They are telling you they believe we are actively in a civil war right now, but people on the right aren't listening to what they mean when they say Donald Trump should be removed from the ballot for waging insurrection.
They are saying the frontrunner for the president for the presidency outside of political party has attempted to start a civil war and actually deployed troops in support of him to subvert the U.S.
government, we have to stop him by any means necessary.
And Republicans go, there was no insurrection, what are you talking about?
You think, where do you think Democrats are taking this when they claim, we look at the efforts to remove Donald Trump from the ballot as lawfare?
I don't, I don't think they view it as lawfare.
I think they are quite literally saying we're at war and you started it.
Look, political scientists, journalists from around the world are over here right now, and have been for years, looking at this place like an unfolding case study on how political unions collapse.
I can remember recently sitting down for an interview with a French documentary crew.
We were the last stop.
They had gone city after city after city.
They'd been over here for, I think, about two or three weeks.
And the entire documentary that they're working on is about the polarization.
And I think it's incorrect to call it polarization, because typically you think there are two poles.
This is a fragmentation that splits across all kinds of different lines.
But it's here.
We are in that situation.
And to your point, anyone who thinks that all of this just cropped up yesterday, this has been a cold Civil War brewing for a long time.
And the opposition, I mean, you literally had Biden and Kamala crisscross the United States during their campaign and threatening To pour gas and light matches on everything that folks like us, you know, are core values.
And that's why it drove me nuts when Republicans were like, you know, congratulations Joe Biden, you know, I don't like him, I don't agree with your policies.
It's like, look man, I don't congratulate an arsonist who threatened to arson for two years on setting a fire.
Joe Biden came out and said, we are doing this, we are doing that, we have done this, and that's why we did that.
And I pointed out, when he says, we did this, he's talking about blue state lockdowns.
While Florida and South Dakota and other Republican states were doing the opposite and defying the federal government, Joe Biden was giving a national address saying, we, we, we, which excluded you.
And so I think you need to pay attention to what the president has been saying for some time now.
He's not talking about this country as though there is a country.
He is speaking specifically to the blue states.
The win condition for people like Joe Biden, the establishment, woke, whatever you want to call it, is the start of a civil war.
Not winning a civil war.
The win condition for them is because, if a civil war does start, the Constitution is immediately void.
Like Abraham Lincoln suspending habeas corpus in the corridor from D.C.
Threatening, yeah, but literally arresting members of the Maryland State Legislature because they had pro-slavery sentiment.
The moment the war starts, the Biden administration says, Constitution is hereby suspended.
Like Abraham Lincoln before me, we must take extreme measures to preserve this union, which means in this conflict, we will not tolerate the possession of illegal firearms.
But you know, and here's the thing, and this goes back to sort of the discussion we were having about the SREC and all those guys, the real divide here It's not, and it's the position we've had all along.
The real divide is not an R versus D, it's not a blue versus red, I mean, that's sort of how it crops up.
But this is the people versus a political establishment, because literally, he could invoke Abraham Lincoln policies during the Civil War, before the Civil War, and get invited to go speak to a Republican Lincoln-Reagan dinner in January or February, you know, because there are people that Look at those things, and they believe it's union above principle.
They believe that we should do everything we can to keep the union together, and the necessary part of the union being together is the federal government.
And if you don't capitulate to the federal government, then you are anti-American, and you are bad.
And there's a group of people out here who are saying, no, all political power is inherent in the people.
We're the ones.
who make these decisions.
We believe in the rule of law.
We believe in being a constitutional republic.
And that is truly the divide.
It's the people versus a permanent political class that believes that we are too stupid to govern ourselves.
unidentified
I think you can hate your government or be unsatisfied with your government and also be proud to be an American.
And I guess I fall under that category.
I'm obviously not happy with the way Joe Biden's run anything.
I'm not happy with the way our government's run.
The majority of the time I'm not happy with the way Texas is run.
But I still love my state and I still love my country and I'll continue to.
People can point to small countries and look how well they do.
It's like, you've got a very, very small country.
Look at the size of the United States and the success we've had for governing this massive, very different group of people.
Even if you go back 100 years, the South, The Northeast, the West, they're very different cultures.
But we found a way to govern this in a way that people were satisfied for a very long time.
That's why I think this country needs to be protected and the Constitution is so important and the system of governance is fantastic.
But I would make the argument one last time as we get close to wrapping up.
When people posted the meme showing all the states supporting Texas and they wrote Lone Star Rebellion, I said, there's no rebellion.
The Biden administration has gone rogue and is actively committing crimes.
So the United States is fine.
We must exercise our constitutional rights in removing such a person, perhaps.
You know, I'd advocated a year or two ago for impeachment and conviction.
At this point I recognize, nah, the best path forward is just vote him out, because...
You impeach the guy now, then they run somebody else.
Let them have their Biden.
He can't win.
And our best path to correcting this is just to have this vote in November and make sure, look, you guys want to come out and say they're going to cheat, they're going to do this and otherwise, then you better make sure you double up your efforts and getting people registered to vote, knocking on doors.
Hey, you're worried about mail-in voting in your city?
Why aren't you going out and telling people to fill out their mail-in ballots for Trump?
If the Democrats are going to do it, you got to, you got to counter in the exact same way and play the same game, but be better at it.
Well, I will say this because I know we are getting close to wrapping up.
I would encourage people out there that want to get a better understanding of how this is unfolding.
I would encourage them to go look and study the Texas Revolution, because this is effectively starting off the exact same way.
You know, the flag that was hoisted over the Alamo was a Mexican tricolor with the date 1824 in the middle of it, because they initially started out that process to fight for their rights under the Mexican Constitution of 1824 that had been usurped by the dictator Santa Ana and the centralists in Mexico City.
And out of that grew independence.
You know, March 2nd was when Texas independence was declared.
The Alamo fell March the 6th.
The men in the Alamo never knew that independence had been declared.
In fact, Travis wrote a letter to his friend Jesse Grimes and he said, let the convention therefore go ahead and declare independence.
For if they do, The world will know and my men will know what we are fighting for, but if they do not, my men are willing to lay down their arms, but under the flag of independence, we will peril our lives a thousand times.
You see, that's where I think people need to look at that as an example.
This is way more like 1836 than it is 1776.
And whether we have agreements on how that vote, how a Texas vote would turn out, it's important to understand that that revolution sealed in Texas forever the principle that all political power is inherent in the people and people should be able to choose how they are governed.
Yeah, and then we actually occupied and controlled everything, and then the American people were in favor of us keeping it, but then Polk was like, uh, we don't want to deal with this, and they went back and said, we're gonna get our guys out of here and it's yours.
unidentified
We, um, we just need more people to vote.
It's really what it is.
And if you're watching this and like, it's really, it's a lot of, it's really easy to clip stuff and share stuff and go on Twitter or X and complain about things and share memes.
And we should continue doing that.
But it literally takes like 10 minutes to go vote.
And I feel so, um, Depressed when I see all these people that talk about politics non-stop and I like hey, did you vote?
I'll text I'm gonna hate you vote today.
I was just so busy blah blah Like I said, I run some of the biggest political celebrities in Texas and and they don't they don't vote They can't be bothered to vote.
It takes 10 minutes figure it out Even if you don't know exactly everything on the ballot just at least go but at the minimum go vote Republican at the very minimum Yeah, well, gentlemen, this has been a very fun conversation, of course.
It's a lot of blathering and posturing, but it doesn't mean nothing will happen eventually, so we'll see.
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unidentified
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So we're at CurrentRevolt.com on Twitter.
We just cover Texas news and we're pretty good at it.
